Thread 719701124

Why do you suppose so many people are confused about VTMB2 despite all the trailers, interviews, gameplay, etc.? Reading responses online it quickly becomes obvious that most of the people talking about are profoundly ignorant and there has been a deep breakdown in communication between marketing and target audience.
>They think it's linear. (It's open world and you can go anywhere you want.)
>They think it has Fallout 4 style dialog (it doesn't).
>They think it's a walking sim (it's not).
>They think there's no Malkavian. (You play half the game as one.)
My theory is that the marketing cycle fell apart when the game was scrapped and rebooted into a completely different game.

>>719701124 (OP)
Wait, it's out?

>>719701124 (OP)
>No attributes, no skills, no guns (that you can use), no weapons, little role-playing
>The only thing you upgrade is magic shit

Pass

>>719701124 (OP)
Only marketing I remember is "preorder now for decorations from a 20yo game which we have no relation to" and "our game is so woke even NPCs chop off their dicks at random"

can obvious corpo-speak shilling become a bannable offense?

I've always had the impression that the original was a hub-based walking simulator with lots and lots of dialogue, and where the only violence came in the form of a button prompt or two. There's also a dancefloor.
I know more about the personalities of the waifu-pires and the gag characters in VTMB than the actual gameplay itself, much like how I know about a shit load of gacha characters without ever seeing many .webms of gacha gameplay.

This is not a statement concerning the marketing for VTMB2.

>>719701124 (OP)
Because the first game exists and people have something to compare it to. Open a discussion on Steam and you will see their complaints and arguments. We want an improved version of the first game with a new plot, characters, etc., but we get a game that can't even be called an RPG. Masquerade is the basis of these games, and what do we all see? This shit-eating elder always breaks the masquerade, killing everyone and everything without alternative. Too cool or too dumb to use a gun, etc.? There is no roleplaying here.

>>719701124 (OP)
holy fuck, buy an ad

>>719702621
>"our game is so woke even NPCs chop off their dicks at random"
There's probably woke stuff later in the game, but so far there's basically nothing in the first two hours shown so far. I saw someone claim that the anarchs have a non-binary bartender.

>>719703049
>I've always had the impression that the original was a hub-based walking simulator with lots and lots of dialogue, and where the only violence came in the form of a button prompt or two.
That's because the game has a shocking amount of combat, and it's all fucking terrible. Fans downplay the fact the game turns into a non-stop gauntlet of terrible combat encounters because the part of the game they like is the opening hub.

>>719702596
You can use all the guns, though. And the roleplaying comes through how you express yourself, your backstory, and the choice of disciplines as well as the clan you choose.

>They think there's no Malkavian. (You play half the game as one.)
how does that work

>>719701124 (OP)
I see an Asian female boss and I understand that I will be offered to kill her, but if there is a chance to take her side I will be betrayed again, right? Why do I see this? Why did the demo game clearly show the lack of options for completing quests? Stealth and theft? No! Bribe? No! Threats? No! Seduction (no boobs haha)? No! The developers said that this is a story-driven narrative with an emphasis on fights. So in the game I am not offered anything except a few choices affecting some characters and the endings. This is the only thing I see, this lowers expectations

>>719703419
>killing everyone and everything without alternative.
So just like VTMB, then.

>>719704608
So just like your tranny discord, then, but you're killing yourselves without alternative.

>>719704608
first game, you had missions where you could ignore enemies, here you won't open the next door unless you kill everyone

>>719704583
Each time you go to sleep in the game (it takes place over nine nights) you wake up as Fabien. You drift back and forth between the 1920s and events that led up to you opening the box in the modern day. Back in the 20s, there was a cigarette girl that Fabien, a newly turned vampire, tried to save, but she had her head torn off and metal poles staked through her. The person who killed her is back in the modern day, and has killed another woman. A girl named Pandora who wandered into a vampire bar convinced she's a vampire. She calls Fabien "Lord Fabien". When Fabien leaves the room to go check something her head has been ripped off when he gets back.

The gameplay footage shows us waking up as Fabien. This will repeat every night. The Fabien sequences were originally a standalone story DLC. But when Fabien was rewritten into a Malkavian the two characters were merged, and the plot was restructured around the parallel timelines.
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=HrwLx1XiZVdaFwZ-&t=5017

>>719704925
I wouldn't be surprised if that's loosened up a bit by the final version. But yea, it definitely has some Doom 2016 syndrome going on.

>>719701124 (OP)
Do you think this shill will be forced to commit ritual suicide when this game releases and bombs, or do you think he'll become another Barry-type that just stalks the catalog for anything vaguely vampire-related and just shills this piece of shit for the rest of his pathetic life?

>LGBT tranny vampire game
nah anon, i'll pass

>voiced protagonist
>four clans
>no skills
>no attributes
>can unlock other clans’ disciplines so clan choice doesn’t really matter past the beginning
A sequel made 20 years later should have more shit than the original not less.

>>719705135
>Barry-type
you mean the shillschizos like you who enter every vtmb2 thread to try and derail it, like Barry does? lol

>>719704559
>just play pretend
Nigger, I want an RPG that responds and reacts and branches to my choices. I want to play in a non-linear fashion supported mechanically and narratively. Bitch ass nigga.

>>719705271
I'm gonna take that as a "Yes, I'll continue shilling this piece of shit for the rest of my pathetic life."

>>719705045
They kept the fact VTMB2 has two protagonists a complete secret until two weeks, so it's not surprising that a vast majority of people are not aware. It does reflect the continuing muddying of the game's marketing, though. Back in 2019, people didn't preorder vampire LA Noire. They preordered a completely different game with a completely different tone and story and visual aesthetic.

>>719705336
>no rebuttal
i accept your concession :)

>>719705239
>>can unlock other clans’ disciplines so clan choice doesn’t really matter past the beginning
Yea, that's how it works in the tabletop. People claim they want fidelity to the source material. However, by "the beginning" we are referring to hours of game time. To unlock other clan disciplines you have to meet the clan contact, do jobs for them, gain their trust, and convince them to let you drink their blood.

My little Tremere can't be a traitorous bitch that probably isn't even a real Tremere.

>>719705325
>Nigger, I want an RPG that responds and reacts and branches to my choices.
Isn't that exactly what this game does? There was an anon in here the other day saying he knows a guy in retail that has played the game, and apparently there's two entirely separate story branches depending on whether you choose to protect the Camarilla or work to destroy it. Also, yea, obviously all that "choices that matter" stuff.

>>719705368
I concede your game will bomb and you seethe about it eternally

>>719705519
cute

>>719705135
Not many vampire games, and many people like to eat shit. So it can pay off easily.

>>719705657
t. autist with the power of barry and tencentschizo combined

>>719705657
I would rather have a good game that flops instead of a mediocre game that sells well. If the game is good, that's all that matters.

>>719705576
My concern is that if they do have two major story branches with unique quests and stuff, it'll result in the game being half the length but having twice the replay value, and some people might hate that.

The big reason why people aren't finding out all this stuff is that instead of hearing about this stuff they're hearing about 1/3 of the clans being paywalled. Beyond anything else, that's the problem. I did see that the Amazon listings in the UK have been taken down, so we should get news on changes to the DLC very, very soon.

>>719701124 (OP)
>You play half the game as one
>half
No you don't. It's like CP2077, you'll play as Fabien during a few sections but for the majority of the game he'll be a voice in your head like Silverhand.
Also, I don't want to play as a malk for "half" of the game. I want to play through the entire thing as one.

I'll check the game out, I've seen it described as similar to Prey and other Arkane games, but it's very clear to me that this isn't a sequel to VTMB, it's just leeching off the name.

These threads are truly beginning to become sad.

>>719701124 (OP)
Why do you think I am not buying the game because it has day one DLC? Fuck off Rakesh

>>719701124 (OP)
what happened to this guy? why are there noodles on his head?

>>719706824
there are simply too many bots and shills for this captcha to be worth the effort at all. just turn off verification and reopen the floodgates

I hope they're paying you well for these threads. I think you're their only source of marketing at this point.

>>719703049
No. It's a 2000's era RPG so it's full of combat.
It's hub based and you unlock hubs you can travel back and forward to as you do the main quest.
Almost every quest has combat and it's an attempt to make an action-RPG, and has FPS gun mechanics and third person melee.
Not sure if you've played Deus Ex but it's very similar.
It has less combat than Mass Effect, maybe more combat than Skyrim because you wander and explore so much in that game.

>>719706641
Yea, I'd wager Fabien's content is more like 1/3. It was originally a standalone story DLC, so probably something like 5 hours.

>>719706837
I wouldn't blame people waiting for a sale because they think the DLC paywall is, despite whatever justifying reasons it has, is scummy. It looks like there's going to be an announcement on the DLC soon.

>>719705576
he doubted it, he could have been deceived

i find it really funny how they accidentally blocked any attempt at diversity with the MC by making them a Turkish/Armenian off-white Eurotrash from the 1600s.

>>719704559
>You can use all the guns, though...**
>*...for a limited time in the room you find them in...
>**...using exclusively telekinesis.
This is one of the most bewildering and dumb fucking changes I've seen in a sequel.

>>719701124 (OP)
My dude, I hope they at least pay you. Even journalists who already played the game say it's bad. I even read that it's "shaping up to be the biggest vidya flop of 2025", yes, this said by a journalist who played the game.

> (You play half the game as one.)
You know perfectly well people want to be able to create their own Malkavian and play the whole game as it, nobody wants an additional character you have to play as from time to time.

>>719708360
>Even journalists who already played the game say it's bad. I even read that it's "shaping up to be the biggest vidya flop of 2025", yes, this said by a journalist who played the game.
that's the polish journalist right? that's the only negative review i remember seeing.

>>719708070
It's just pure laziness. If you add TK guns instead of regular guns, you don't have to
>create an inventory
>place ammo around the world
>create custom animations for every gun
>incorporate any gun-related gameplay mechanics into their "RPG" system
Instead, you can just have them spazz out for a bit in the air, add some muzzle flash, that's it, lmao

>>719708597
the treatment of guns in Bloodlines 2 has been weird because Hardsuit had already made animations for their guns, tho despite you being a Thinblood who would likelyactually need a gun instead of a super-Elder, the Hardsuit MC didn't know how to reload a gun either and just threw them out after unloading.

>>719701124 (OP)

How the fuck do you only play half the game as a malk? is it a separate character you're forced to do linear, self contained missions with?

>>719709036
>>719705045
He's also a retarded fucking voice you have stuck in your head that comments on fucking everything
It's like they decided to make everything related to the character fucking retarded

>>719709036
yeah, Fabien is a Malk Detective who got embraced around the same time (You) went into Torpor, so he experienced everything that you missed out on.

>>719701124 (OP)
What's the point if I can't have sex with this bloodsucker Asa Akira in the game?

>>719702448
Releases in October.

>>719708597
>>create custom animations for every gun
They do have custom animations for every gun, though.

>>719709361
>yeah, Fabien is a Malk Detective
Correction. He says he's a Malk detective. Whenever Fabien says he "remembers" something, don't trust it.

>>719709036
Fabien can also freely roam the city.

>>719708597
The Hardsuit Labs version didn't have an inventory, or ammo around the world, or gun related gameplay mechanics. In HSL's game, guns were temporary upgrades you fired a few times and then dropped. Melee weapons were temporary upgrades you swung a few times until they broke.

>>719709408
She's the prince, so I don't think she would allow it. But I dunno if you can seduce non-primogen characters as well. You do grow closer or more distant to pretty much all the major characters.

>>719710164
The Prince is Lou, the mommyfag character

>>719710385
i think she's the ex prince

>>719709745
Not trusting a Malk's memory is just common sense, especially if you don't know what their derangement is.

>>719710385
No, Lou is the ex-Prince who years back suddenly decided to hand power over to one of childe... what's the plural of childe? Anyway, at the start of the game, someone (allegedly) tore Prince Campbell's head off two days earlier. So Lou's other childe, Ryong has been installed as prince. The whole thing is very fishy. Ryong is to some degree Lou's puppet.

>>719709745
The most painfully obvious twist would be that Fabien is the vampire hunter known as Santiago. This hunter showed up in the 1920s. Fabien became a vampire in the 1920s. It's very "huh..." During the first flashback scene, Lou asks Fabien an interesting question, "What will you do for this court?" You don't get to hear his answer.

I think it's too predictable a twist. I feel like Santiago is more likely to be a woman. Otherwise, why hide their gender? But if it were the twist, Fabien would be a serial killer working for Lou that kills politically inconvenient vampires and pins the killings on the various vampire hunter factions. Somewhere along the line, Fabien ended up killing the girl who sells cigarettes, possibly to silence her because she saw something, and doing this made him have some kind of mental breakdown where he invented this detective personality who solves crimes instead of doing them.

This is not an entirely new suspicion. I remember some people raising it way back when the PC Gamer cover came out, and it showed Lou toying with one of the silver crosses that the mysterious vampire hunter leaves on his/her victims.

Beyond this, it's clear that Fabien is being indulged by the camarilla. Very similar to how Leysha was manipulated in Swansong by having the other vampires in the Camarilla play along with her delusions about Halsey being with her.

>>719710164
the main char is a weakened elder, so there must be a possibility to mate with this princess, I want to have that choice or I don't play Huh

>>719701124 (OP)
Multiple reasons, but the most important one is that Bloodlines 2 has become the target of outrage campaigns, both of the "WOKE LIBRUL SHIT!" and of the "BAD SEQUEL WHERE'S MITSODA!" varieties.
>>719702596
It only took two posts.

>>719702786
Did you miss the IP counter removal or something? You're batting for the wrong team at this point mate.

The fact that most people didn't realize that guns were temporary tools in the old version of Bloodlines 2 is interesting. There has been a lack of comprehension around the game's design pretty much from the original reveal. People were excited for a version of the game they imagined as opposed to one that existed.

>>719701124 (OP)
>confused
Nobody is confused, Mr. Shill. Everyone already knows it has
>no guns
>no melee weapons
>no inventory of any kind
>no discipline use in dialogue
>no stats
It's not an RPG, the videos of the combat make it look okay at best and the game is full of signs of being pozzed faggotry.
It's dead on arrival.

>ugly green filter you almost certainly can't turn off without reshade or mods
why?

>>719711223
BL2's original version was woke as hell. Trigger warnings on quests, pronouns, everything you can possibly imagine. The new version is vaguely woke, but in in a less jarring way. I guess because the culture changed the past couple of years and the studio isn't completely retarded.

>>719711435
because the old version kept many of the things that people loved from Bloodlines.

the discovery that it was all smoke and mirrors came later.

>719711223
>719711435
>he's still trying
I have literally never seen such blatantly shilling in 4chan before.
TCR's resident indian has been in these threads desperately trying to pretend the game isn't a shitshow for years now.
It's hilarious.

>>719711486
>>no discipline use in dialogue
But it does. See, how do people not know this?

>>719701124 (OP)
Why would you care what the dumb majority think? The game looks fun.

>>719707210
>Not sure if you've played Deus Ex but it's very similar.
Deus Ex has an inventory
Deus Ex has stats.
Imagine being such a shitty ARPG you forget the RPG part.

>>719711673
I'm curious about development drama. Spill it.

>>719711729
>But it does.
Show me.
Also, hilarious how everything else is true but you don't think it's an issue.

>>719711769
Indeed. It's a true Return to Form™

I really hope you're getting paid for that because doing all this shilling for free would be pathetic

>>719701124 (OP)
There's no confusion
>They think the game will suck based on everything that has been shown to us by the devs (it will)

>>719711846
>Show me.
Why should I show you? It's your job to watch the hours of gameplay footage showing it. You shouldn't be here if you haven't watched the gameplay footage.

You use disciplines to modify people's blood state to make them angry, horny, or depressed. Additionally, when you are playing as Fabien, you have access to his Malkavian disciplines which are used in dialogue. This is all in the gameplay videos.

>>719706205
>I would rather have a good game that flops
Where's that good game though?

>>719712084
>actually there's no evidence
>actually actually, you don't really use disciplines in dialogue
LMAO

>>719704379
It was from an old E3 or gamescom or whatever gameplay from hardsuit when they shown NPCs could have mismatched voices and bodies because off a pronoun system

Really weird thing to flex with

>>719701124 (OP)
looks woke
meanwhile old VTMB had everything that leftwing people thought to outlaw form gaming
so this does not seem like a true sequel at all

>>719711904
not at all.

>>719712072
Then why do they say things that are blatantly not true? For example, I've seen a bunch of people say that the dialogue is like Fallout 4. And there's no way to reconcile that. You have to assume they've never seen this game's dialogue system or they've never played Fallout 4 or both.

>>719711795
If you want development drama you need to check other places that catalogued the rumors on why the HSL version went under. There's a lot of stuff flying around, from corporate not knowing what they were doing, to Brian Mitsoda fucking some female staffer and cheating on his wife.
What I was talking was the obvious shill that has been stalking and possibly making these threads for some 2 years now.
His behavior is painfully obvious, and he frequently falls into the same points he repeats ad nauseum. Before it was talking about Dan Pinchbeck, then how the game is just like the new Deus Ex.
It's the most entertainment thing that has come out of this shitty game.

>>719712310
VTM is Leftwing as fuck.
the creators have been trying to push Anarchs as the heroes since 1st edition.

>>719712135
Fabien uses disciplines multiple times in this footage.
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=HrwLx1XiZVdaFwZ-&t=5017

>>719712340
>For example, I've seen a bunch of people say that the dialogue is like Fallout 4
Except that it is?
>Voiced dialogue.
>three options or four options that don't change much

>>719712310
>looks woke
Explain.

>the VTMB2 guy
lol

>>719705239
in vtm2 women have dicks.
does it count?

>>719712508
>Explain
Show me 3 attractive female characters on the level of Jeanette, VV and Venus

>>719712327
But I thought you were Having a Blast®?

Where are the skimpy vamp chicks, marketer?

>>719704459
>>719707210
I guess I should look up more videos then, thanks.
You two have augmented my impression to the point where it feels like it might be more like that OTHER Source engine game that's beloved here, but that association can quickly be perverted and weaponized, as was the case with the discussion around Peripeteia.

>>719712479
>three options or four options that don't change much
But they change a huge amount. Also, why did you post a screenshot of the OLD dialogue system? How could you get that confused? It was changed years ago.

>>719712340
It is a problem that people are voicing their concerns with the game that are often inaccurate. We should be correcting them. For example, if they say it's got "Fallout 4 dialogue" let them know that it's got worse dialogue than Fallout 4. If they say going to be a boring game because it's linear, tell them it's going to be open world slop instead. If they complain about the lack of Malkavians, remind them that we have Dollar Store brand Johnny Silverhand and that's even worse than not having Malks as a clan at all because now that's shoehorned into every playthrough taking away role playing agency

>market sequel to beloved cult classic
>ppl get hyped
>scrap game because devs turn out to be completely incompetent
> years later
>market new game with the exact same name
>has nothing to do with either the original sequel nor the cult classic it is named after
>why are ppl confused. ask the mongoloids shilling this shitshow
ffs this is new world of darkness all over again but somehow more retarded

>>719704459
>the original was actually bad, chud

>>719712727
>But they change a huge amount
Why do you keep lying?

>>719701124 (OP)

Why the game is a walking sim.

>>719712479
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=CnH9744YZmI_2lxN&t=2853
This is exactly what the OP is talking about. How on earth do you think that the image you posted is reflective of the game when we have footage of the near-final version, and that scene is completely different and all the dialogue options are completely different. That screenshot is ancient. The dialogue system was different. The plot was noticeably different.

>>719712834
he's a shill but he's not wrong, the finale is pretty fucking bad.

>>719712906
The game has twelve endings. Maybe more, I dunno, they are still adding things. These endings are the product of all the character interactions you've made throughout the story. Who you pissed off, you who you helped, who you murdered, or spared. This is one of those Choices That Matter RPGs, and they naturally hammer that into the players immediately.

>>719712926
>it's totally different
>still voiced
>still four options that don't amount to anything
Lol

>>719713040
>is one of those Choices That Matter RPGs,
>RPGs
Doesn't look like much of one
>>>719712925

>>719712926
That footage looks awful though

I don't see what the trolls are so angry about. Bloodlines 2 looks like it will be the Vampire Kino we've always wanted.

>>719712925
>People complain about too much combat.
>People complain about too much talking.
>People complain about too much exploration/traversal.
Seems like a no-win situation.

>>719713345
>make sequels that has less than the original from 20 years ago
>Ugh why are you so entitled? Eat the goyslop

>>719701124 (OP)
>Why do you suppose so many people are confused about VTMB2

Because the entire game has been redone from scratch like three fucking times already, and may be done a fourth time before it actually comes out.

>all the trailers, interviews, gameplay
Literally meaningless when the project doesn't have a clear goal in sight.

Also just be honest with yourself: NO ONE HAS A REASON TO EXPECT THIS TO BE GOOD. The studio is unproven. Not a single person from the VMB1 team is involved. It's been in production hell for years and years. The rational expectation is that it will be very very bad, if it comes out at all.

>>719713093
>>still four options that don't amount to anything
I hate to point this out, but isn't that exactly how the original game was? Most conversations had 2 dialogue options that did nothing. Sometimes 3. Sometimes if you were really lucky you'd get 4. And they didn't actually do anything for the most part.

>>719713335
This looks bad though, the animation feel more unnatural than the ones from the og

>>719713503
>>make sequels that has less than the original from 20 years ago
It has way more, though. It's much longer, has much more complex story branching, a much bigger game world with more quests, all that stuff.

>>719713515
>Because the entire game has been redone from scratch like three fucking times already, and may be done a fourth time before it actually comes out.
it'd have to be really fucking fast because we're too months from the first feasible release date they've given.

>>719713516
>I hate to point this out, but isn't that exactly how the original game was?
No? Have you played it? >>719713573
>It has way more, though

>>719713593

Just because they say it comes out in october doesn't mean it actually does. It is equally likely that it never comes out at all.

>>719713269
Footage looks great. But end of the day, some people aren't into narrative driven RPGs. They want action games, and they have a product for people like that. Bloodhunt.
>>719713515
There has only been two versions. The dumpster fire Hardsuit version and the rebooted Chinese Room version. Now granted, there have been some noticeable mid-development changes on the CR version. Fabien the malkavian was added. Guns were added. Stuff like that. But the broad vision has remained the same since the 2023 trailer and re-reveal interviews. The game's core design goal has been crystal clear since day 1. "Aspirational vampire power fantasy".
>The studio is unproven.
The studio released Still Wakes the Deep in 2024, which was amazing.

>>719713573
>It has way more, though
Doesn't look like it >>719712925

>>719713685
>narrative driven RPGs
>RPG
You keep using that word

>>719713615
In the original Bloodlines, most dialogue is 2 or 3 options. Bloodlines 2 very clearly has way more dialogue options. And it's not even close. I don't know where this delusion that BL1 has lots of branching dialogue comes from because it absolutely doesn't.

>>719713831
>illusion
Shill, it's getting pathetic

>>719713831
Compare that to Bloodlines 2.

>>719713958
I notice there's only 4 dialogue options. Kinda like Bloodlines 2.

>>719713958
A vast majority of dialog choices in BL1 are two options. This is why I've always been puzzled by people complaining about BL2 having four dialogue options per branch, and more important never having fewer than three dialogue options as far as I can tell.

>>719714078
>notice there's only 4 dialogue options
How strange, before you said
>most dialogue is 2 or 3 options
Hmmm

>>719701124 (OP)
In my case I haven't really been keeping up with the game because enough of what I've seen looked really bad and it has convinced me there's no way this shit is going to be good.

For example, the main character (that's the main character as far as I can tell) here >>719707815 looks so incredibly fucking bad that I cannot possibly believe the people who chose to make 'em like this could make a cool and atmospheric game like the original VTMB. There just ain't no fucking way. Nobody with the aesthetic """taste""" to make this ugly shite would be capable of matching VTMB, it just isn't happening.

>>719714246
>A vast majority of dialog choices in BL1 are two options.
Sure.

>>719714325
All the 4 dialogue options images are all fabricated I guess

>>719714259
What part of "most" is unclear to you? It's very easy to demonstrate that almost all dialogue in the game is 2 or sometimes 3 options. There's a bunch of cases where BL1 has single dialogue options. Just one option to pick.

>>719714449
>almost all dialogue in the game is 2 or sometimes 3 options
That's not true though

What clan/build are you guys playing atm bros?
Or are you waiting for October?

The game actually looks like an ok storydriven vampire acton game. The only downside is the name Bloodlines 2.

>>719714618
agreed

>>719714537
You were saying...

>>719714546
i played every build at this point, i don't want to play anymore.
i'll probably just be here on release day.
>>719714618
they really should've named it something else.

>>719714757
Yes?

Hopefully this game bombs so hard paradox sells off it's white wolf IP and owl cat picks it up or another indie dev team
I'm another world I'd like to see what Red Barrels would make in a vtmb setting

>>719714906
Yes? Why do you keep cherry picking the small number of dialogue options in the game with 4 options? Especially since the new game also has 4 options? What even is your argument?

Can anyone explain what is wrong with the dialogue choices in VTMB2? Because it feels like people were mad about the old dialogue system that didn't tell you what you were going to say, but they still want to be mad about something. What is different here compared to the original game as seen:
>>719715151
>>719714757

>>719715151
>cherry picking
An awful lot of options for cherry picking
>What even is your argument?
What is yours?
Can you disprove any of these points ?>>719712925

>>719714978
Paradox are actually announcing new WoD games at the end of the year. They're in this for the long haul.

>>719713958
>>719714906
all of these do the same thing, persuasion, domination and seduction are functionally the same fucking thing. you just get dialogue success and the person you were talking to gives you shit. they're functionally identical flavor text.

>>719715257
It's just a bunch of incels being mad over nothing. Probably because the game does not cheaply show titties down their throats all the time like BL1 does. They can't handle it.

>>719715257
>Can anyone explain what is wrong with the dialogue choices in VTMB2?
No stats check
Voiced dialogue
Learn2read

Friendly reminder than Bloodlines 1 flopped really bad and the gameplay kinda sucked. Everyone seems to be asking why didn't anyone make a true seuqel to Bloodlines, when they should ask themselves why would anyone want to?

>>719715330
>Multiple options to succeed based on your stats and specializations is bad
No wonder your shitty studio can't make an RPG

>>719711223
Can you really blame people for expecting the worse from a game that's been in development superhell and is fundamentally going the:
>"Long-awaited sequel to [CULT CLASSIC] made by the people who brought you [NOTHING].
—route?

>>719715448
When they're functionally the same? Yes? What's the point? Bloodlines 2 is giving you 4 different options every time which results in a lot more and more nuanced dialogue. I

>>719715384
>No stats check
Dialog stats were pointless bullshit in VTMB1. Why are people attached to them?
>Voiced dialogue
A good improvement.

>>719715365
>>719715394
>the original was bad and sexist, chud
LAWD IM LAFFIN

>>719715394
For better or worse the part of VTMB1 that TCR have hyperfixated on is the atmosphere and the vampire intrigue. They clearly don't care about the game's Deus Ex tendencies and have instead substituted something more akin to Dishonored for those components.

>>719715394
>why didn't anyone make a true seuqel to Bloodlines
Hardsuit Labs version was the true sequel to Bloodlines, but it was being made by a studio SO fucking incompetent that TCR, a studio known for making walking sims, was chosen as the better alternative than just letting Hardsuit finish their game.

>>719715583
the shill has pretty much given up on selling this game and is just trying to ragebait responses out of anons to increase his paycheck

>>719715394
If you want to make a White Wolf-themed Dishonored clone, then good for you. But if you want to use another game as a cheap skinsuit for marketing purposes, then you don't get to complain when people expect your game to be similar to its predecessor.

>>719715626
Yeah and I think that was actually a good idea considering today market. And if all 5k Bloodlines fans boycott the game it's not a big loss.

>>719715257
The reality is that nobody has any real argument against the dialogue. Their original argument was that the dialogue was like Fallout 4 because it had options like: Be mean, be kind, suck his dick. And they got really upset at all. Now the dialogue options are totally reworked, but they still want to be mad because "4 options". Except the orignial game also, practically speaking, maxed out at 4. So they shift to arguing that the HSL Bloodlines had more tha 4 so this should also have more than 4. The goalposts will never stop moving. People complained about a lack of guns. So they added guns. Now they complain the guns are fired with your mind or whatever. People complain about the game being linear. They see video evidence that you can explore freely and visit anyone you want. Then they shift focus to complaining that the individual quests are too linear. Which is perhaps a fair critique but end of the day people are just gonna whine and nitpick over every deviation from the Hardsuit game because they wanted that game and this game has replaced it and they don't know how to feel about that.

New clan trailer for Ventrue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYMJYOXECwo

>>719701124 (OP)
absolutely a marketing thread, the game sucks dude, get over it, it's gonna bomb and no matter how much they try to spin it, none of the features shown are good

>vampires are mystical creatures and LEAP, JUMP, CLIMB in the urban environment like it's a parkour video
>the MASQUERADE is so important which is why when humans see someone SUCK AND FUCK a man into a husk before tossing them bodily across an entire road, they ignore it and nothing happens to you, the vampire who just jumped from the rooftop(because your BLOODTRAIL™ showed you to jump up even though your objective is on street level)
>no inventory, no weapons, no guns, you are an ELDER running around beating up ghouls and normies
>leveling looks like a joke, stats and powers are replaced with generic fallout 4 perk tree that doesn't change any gameplay
>game is BARELY bigger mapwise than a game from 2004
>clans, one of the most important things for VTM, gets limited behind pre-order bonuses, restricting roleplay even more than they already have(because god forbid players make up their own conclusion rather than have a LITERAL voice in there head react to everything going on around them)
what a shit show

>>719702621
>which we have no relation to
Neither did Troika. Jack isn't their creation.

>>719715948
>>vampires are mystical creatures and LEAP, JUMP, CLIMB in the urban environment like it's a parkour video
...yeah?
>the MASQUERADE is so important which is why when humans see someone SUCK AND FUCK a man into a husk before tossing them bodily across an entire road, they ignore it and nothing happens to you, the vampire who just jumped from the rooftop
we already know there's a Masquerade system like in the OG.

i agree with you on everything else tho.

>>719715939
Ok the abilities do look kinda cool.

>>719715948
>>game is BARELY bigger mapwise than a game from 2004
It looks huge compared to the original.

>>719715858
That's good for shareholders then. Unfortunately, what I care about is getting a good product, so I have little reason to care about the game and every reason to want it to fail so that similar nostalgia-fueled cashgrabs don't happen in the future.

>>719716101
>the vampires, who are trying to hide in modern day, love to climb around and leap like superman because... THEY JUST DO ALRIGHT? THEY AREN'T TRYING TO BLEND IN WITH HUMANS AT ALL, THEY ARE SUPERNATURAL AND SHOULD BE SUPERNATURAL
>jumps up elevator shaft in sight of humans
>sucks mans balls straight off his corpse
>small sliver of masquerade violation on the "MASQUERADE DIAL™"
>jumps back down elevator shaft onto homeless man, killing him instantly
>NPC's run the same 20 units back and forth, before defaulting to non-panic mode again

>>719716285
yeah you literally have superpowers why tf would you not do parkour and leap from building to building.

>>719716434
oh you're baiting, you got me 1/10 i replied

>>719715858
It's entirely possible for a game sequel to be quite different yet capture aspects of the original's spirit. I think that's what paradox were clumsily trying to say when they called it a spiritual successor kind of game. There's a lot of bloodlines in it. It's clearly made by people who like bloodlines and want to recreate a number of aspects of it. But they're also trying to make a modern action RPG type of game. There's so much focus on movement and traversal and stuff.

>>719716501
no, i genuinely don't understand what your point is.

yeah, you have superpowers, you can leap several feet into the air, why would you not be allowed to just do that?

>>719716656
I don't really wanna sit here and explain what the Masquerade is to you, it's a basic feature of VTM that you read about whenever you actually played the games or play the tabletopRPG.

Give her back.

It will be on sale for 20 bucks by Christmas

>>719716146
The disciplines are great. People were worried that the combat might become repetitive, but there's dozens of disciplines to try out. You can combine disciplines for crowd control or to make the effect of a single discipline affect a room full of people. You've got all the Tremere ranged blood magic ones. You have the Banu stealth ones.

I personally think that we're going to look back on a lot of threads about the game and it'll be very embarrassing that people were so negative and whining.
>>719715939
I will say, though, that the lack of a marketing budget is kinda obvious. This is a solid trailer that shows off both plot and mechanics, but it doesn't have that level of slick polish that you saw with the HSL trailers.

>>719716434
Jack literally explains why you shouldn't even do that in the first few minutes of the original game.

>>719716656
nta
the entire premise of vtm is that vampires are trying to keep their existence a secret. it's the thing that "masquarade" in "vampire: the masquarade" refers to.
it's very difficult to deny the existence of vampires when some cunt's flying around sucking a homeless dude like a capri sun in the middle of the street

>>719701124 (OP)
Probably because the development has been a complete mess?

>>719716879
>it's very difficult to deny the existence of vampires when some cunt's flying around sucking a homeless dude like a capri sun in the middle of the street
The masquerade is falling apart. There's newspapers in the game talking about these superheroes rampaging around the streets jumping on cars and shit.

Besides which, I don't get people's point because there is a masquerade system in VTMB2. If you do magical vampire shit in front of civilians the bar begins to fill. It's green, then orange, then red, then Tolly the vampire queer stabs you in the chest.

>>719716924
There's truth to that, but it's more a case of people not realizing that the game was cancelled in 2020 and a new game was developed in its place. Paradox tried to obsfuscate the handover by pretending they had brought in a new team to "finish" the game. No, they brought in a new team to make a different game with the same name. There's a reason they don't do this kind of thing often. It causes PR headaches.

>>719701124 (OP)
>They think it has Fallout 4 style dialog (it doesn't).
>posts screenshot with 4 dialogue options
>the options boil down to 1. more exposition, 2. let's work together, 3. let's work together, 4. let's work together.
people aren't confused, the shills and devs are disingenuous faggots. the game is going to flop because it looks bad and has been stuck in dev hell with multiple massive overhauls, it has nothing to do with alleged miscommunication or whatever lame excuse your script says to use.

>>719715559
>What's the point of RPG elements in an RPG?
--TCR Shill, 2025

>>719716879
>>719716774
but there IS a Masquerade system in 2, we've known for months that the one mechanic that they didn't drop, so why does being able to do superhuman shit matter when the game is already taking account to that?

>>719701124 (OP)
I am so fucking sick of modern RPG design that like to shove another character in your head. Fuck this schizo apologist propaganda.

>>719717009
>games and tabletop
>suck a man off with a street watching
>get a mark on your file


nu-fake-game
>suck a man off with a street watching
>tiny piddling amount of "masquerade violation" that immediately starts degrading away

>>719715576
>Dialog stats were pointless bullshit in VTMB1
>RPG elements in an RPG are bad
>A good improvement.
>non diegetic elements in your role-playing experience are good
You suck at selling your game

>>719712906
it's his job

>>719716272
You may call Bloodlines 2 many things but cashgrab is not one of them. After so many in development hell it's actually rather unlikely this game will make any decent profit not matter how good it is, but they still saw it through. If cashgrab was their intention they'd just let it burn together with Hardsuit Labs at the first sign of trouble.

>>719717242
>>suck a man off with a street watching
>>tiny piddling amount of "masquerade violation" that immediately starts degrading away
crackheads do worse on the daily.

>>719717009
>Unironic masquerade meter
Jesus Christ.

>>719715858
"History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes"

>>719717315
Can you be a vampire that solely subsists on cum in this game?

>>719717345
it starts draining almost immediately after the violation
>can actually just suck blood in plain view, walk down the street and do it again, the violation wears off that fast

>>719701124 (OP)
Not going to play because character choice is male(female) and female(male). I dunno what they were thinking, not letting us create our own characters.
Or at least give us cis options.

>>719717345
i don't like the Masquerade system in vtmb desu, pplaying Nos it felt both worthless and annoying at the same time.

In the game you win your vampiric powers by consuming a strange pill labelled as HRT

>>719717395
Nah history does repeat itself.

>>719717395
Oh shit forgot pic

>>719701124 (OP)
if the marketing fell apart what are they paying you?

>>719717009
>>719717208
the masquerade mechanic in bl2 is so flaccid it might as well not be there

>>719717449
>unironically using cis
kill yourself

>>719717345
The first VTMB had one too. Of course you wouldn't know that, as you didn't play the game, but still.

>>719717502
The words can't hurt you anon.

>>719717284
It's hard to not call it a cashgrab because it has no value beyond riding on the name of a cult classic. If it wasn't being marketed as Bloodlines 2, absolutely no one would give a single shit about it.
>>719717518
It used a strike system.

>>719717518
no it didn't, it had a strike system. one that required you to do stuff to restore it rather then just wait 20 seconds

>>719717452
Let's be real nosferatu was terribly implemented in Bloodlines 1, but there was pretty much no way the make it true to the lore and still fun to play in the first place. The clan should have never been playable.

>>719717560
>It used a strike system.
It's a measure of a value that goes from being nothing to being fulfilled, which results in a game over state. In between the two extremes there are values that indicate neither emptiness or fullness. It's a meter.

>>719717164
>>the options boil down to 1. more exposition, 2. let's work together, 3. let's work together, 4. let's work together.
The options are.
>Be a complete dick.
>Passive-aggressively reminder her that Lou is in charge, and her role as Prince is a farce. (It's all about social dynamics. Ryong does NOT like being told this.)
>Offer directly to help her with her problems.
>Don't commit to anything, but say you'd be grateful. (God, you're a sap and a pushover.)
All of these have knock-on effects on how Ryong (and Safia and Tolly, who are standing behind you) are going to think of you long term. Similarly, take Safia.

Safia is running her mouth. (She's pretending to be a ditz, don't trust her. It's all an act.)

You can gently remind Safia that you don't want people calling you Nomad. (Cat's out of the bag...) Or you basically tell her to shut the fuck up. Or, if you're so inclined, you can allude to Safia that maybe later you could fuck her brains out if she's a good girl and stops talking. These all have impacts on the other characters. Ryong will remember that you tried to fuck Safia the moment you met her. It will mark you in her eyes as a certain kind of vampire. Similarly, if you put the little Tremere that nobody likes in her place, Ryong will remember that, too.

>>719701124 (OP)
Can you fucking stop shilling?
Nobody gives a shit about this literal who train wreck you Swedish piece of dogshit.

>>719717315
BTW the Hardsuit Labs version was the same, kind of. In fact, back when people saw behind closed doors footage there was immediate concern about the fact the masquerade in that version seemed completely impotent.

>>719717643
Oh, so the masquerade meter doesn't passively deplete itself? Why make it a meter then?

>>719717560
I wouldn't be so sure. You think just because you and me and 100 other autists love Bloodlines it's also true for the rest of the world. No anon. The game and the name is ANCIENT and barely anyone cares about it, it does give it slight boost, sure, but less than you think. The word "Vampire" brings way more attention to it than the word "Bloodlines".

>>719717164
Anon, literally the first dialogue option you get when waking up in your apartment is bemoaning that Fabien isn't dead yet. What more do people want from a game like this?

>>719717860
>The word "Vampire" brings way more attention to it than the word "Bloodlines".
Not even you believe that shill.
If Bloodlines wasn't a recognizable IP, then they wouldn't have put a 2 there in this unrelated action game with minimal rpg elements

>>719717968
And that's how you lost.

>>719717860
>The word "Vampire" brings way more attention to it than the word "Bloodlines".
Then they wouldn't call this game Bloodlines 2 and just Vampire Rising or something.

>>719718042
>And that's how you lost.
The game is flopping though?

>>719717907
The number of awful, mean-spirited things things you can say to the other vampires is hilarious. It's like the anti-Dragon Age. Half the Fabien dialogue options consist of stuff like telling him that, actually, it's his fault he's dead and he bought it on himself and also you're not sorry for what you did. Also, did I mention that I used to be a pirate and I loved murder and gutting people and using their entrails for rigging?

>>719712340
>You are out of your depth
>You dare, upstart?
Literally chink cultivation dialogue. YOU DARE, NEONATE? YOU ARE COURTING FINAL DEATH
Game's gonna be shit by the way

>>719718043
There is simply no reason not to.They have the right. But let's not pretend a name of a single game from 21 years ago played by a very few people carries that much weight. You are living in an echo chamber.

Shill your game is going to bomb with both normies and vtmb1 fans. The 10 vtm fans might check it out, but that's a niche fanbase.

>>719718149
Yes, and?

This seems like a game that is going to be too much of a unreal engine looking shitshow to appeal to mass crowd, and too much of a parting from the first game to appeal to the first games fans.
It'll be the Stalker 2 of VTMB.

>>719718201
>YOU DARE, NEONATE? YOU ARE COURTING FINAL DEATH

>>719718043
>Then they wouldn't call this game Bloodlines 2
The problem is the game is too similar to Bloodlines 1 to pull that off. Everyone would immediately notice that it's Bloodlines 2 in everything but name, complete with obligatory Damsel appearance and "Don't open it" and all that stuff.

>>719718376
>The problem is the game is too similar to Bloodlines 1 to pull that off
Evidently, it's not.

>it has more powers, more dialogue options (4 at every junction), more maps and more weapons and more and more and more and more
It doesn't matter how much MORE a game gives if all substance is removed. Some of the goofiest and low effort animations for the powers and combat, guns relying on telekinesis as a throw away powerup, larger and emptier maps with less to do, forced 4 dialogue "choices" when less might be more or reducing options if more than 4 would be fitting, multi-classing bullshit to remove all clan identity, it all comes together to form a barely cohesive gaming experience and it looks like it was made by people who don't know what makes games actually good and just cobbles together things they experienced in games they enjoyed (although I doubt anyone working at TCR is smart enough to actually play a video game that requires you do more than hold down forward)

>>719718330
>It'll be the Stalker 2 of VTMB.
so a good game?

>>719718228
3 fans, paradox has been systematically burning that community to the ground ever since they acquired the IP

>>719718218
>carries that much weight
Carries enough weight for them to cynically put it for an unrelated sequel.
>You are living in an echo chamber.
So are the stupid executives that thought this was a good idea.

Are people actually paid to shill games on 4chan of all the fucking things? There is no way this helps in any way, even tourists would be put off by shilling of this scale.

>>719718490
>Stalker 2
>A good game
okay now you're baiting.

>>719718490
Stalker 2 is not even as good as Clear Sky.

>>719718330
It's like the opposite of STALKER 2 because it seems to be super well optimized, extremely polished mechanically, and generally free of bugs. I was watching a video earlier and they were talking about how incredible the movement is. There was a specific dev (forget his name) who was hired by TCR specifically to redo the core movement. The core inspiration for movement is of course, no surprises, Source engine games.

>>719718201
well it is the chinese room

>>719718562
>because it seems to be super well optimized, extremely polished mechanically, and generally free of bugs
until the game is out, you literally have no way of knowing.

>>719715939
there is a good game deep in there, too bad we'll never find it thanks to dev retardation

>>719718475
>Some of the goofiest and low effort animations for the powers and combat
only thing i disagree in.
the game LOOKS good, but it's very clearly made by people with very low experience in designing fun combat.

>>719718619
the previews run fine, so it's the one thing they're doing right.

>>719718526
>Carries enough weight for them to cynically put it for an unrelated sequel.
That's a logical fallacy. Basides, it's a game about vampires so it's not unrelated.

>>719717101
Apparently TCR had free reign to pick and choose anything they wanted to use from the old project. A lot of models were used, but all writing by Avellone and Mitsoda hot scrapped because both were deemed persona non grata.

>>719718490
How bad of a shill are you that you need to blatantly lie this hard?

>>719718431
But it very much is. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. Why does the game have a pawn shop? Because BL1 had one. Why does the game have a radio show called Bet of the Night? Because BL1 had Deb of the Night. Why does it have Damsel in it? Why does it have Downtown, Chinatown, and other districts matching the first game? Why does it have a nightclub? Because BL1 had a nightclub. Why do you play as a wacky Malkavian for a major, major chunk of the story? Because people associate that with BL1. Why does it have a firt person dialogue camera when playing as Fabien? Because that's what BL1 had. I challenge you to point to another VTM game that this resembles. It's not like Swansong. It's not like Bloodhunt. It's not like Night Road. The game it is mimicking is Bloodlines 1.

>>719718503
sad

>>719718528
They're doing an insanely poor job. Not only do I feel less inclined to not purchase the game, I feel a compulsion to tell other people to not purchase it as well.

>>719718503
I genuinely wonder why the fuck they even bought it in the first place

>>719718798
>*Not only do I feel more inclined to not purchase the game

>>719718619
Unless the later sections are fucked, we have more than enough gameplay footage to determine that it runs really well and doesn't have any major bugs. In the most recent footage, it has all been very polished.

>>719718720
>That's a logical fallacy
Nope.
>Basides
Lol
>it's a game about vampires so it's not unrelated.
It's unrelated to Bloodlines though.

>>719718753
i know Avellone got into that whole sexual harassment cancellation(desu i always tought he and the rest of the NV team were all gay like Tim Cain) but why was Mitsoda's scrapped? did he fuck up somewhere, or was it he the one that wrote the Thinblood MC idea?

>>719718720
>Basides, it's a game about vampires so it's not unrelated.
lmao, might as well market the game to Twilight fans as well then, if being a vampire game means it's related to any vampire titles.

>>719718783
GTA has a a pawn shop, radio show, nightclubs. Is that also vtmb. Damsel is like a 10 second cameo? Its a vtm product but not Bloodlines.

What is your insane obsession with the reddit Malk. Is he your favorite character of all time Shill.

>>719718890
>Nope.
I didn't expect you to say anything smart anyway.

>>719718783
>But it very much is.
No, it isn't
> who tells you otherwise is lying to you
Lmao "don't believe your lying eyes"
>>719712925
Add to that
>voiced protagonist
>V5 instead of Revised
>awful homofag aesthetics instead of the end of millennium new gothic
But hey they put a 2 after Bloodlines and cynically put in some poorly adapted elements, so I guess they similar in a retarded mind.

>>719718528
you'd be shocked just how out of touch ppl running game companies are

>>719718825
because they hoped to revive the franchise after CCP mismanaged it into irrelevancy. only for them to mismanage i in a new and fascinating ways.

>>719711223
Man, game has been stuck in dev hell for eons, changed company and ceo during dev cycle multiple times, only had 3 clans before people were rightfully outrages that they were also releasing clan DLC
You can't spin this as woke culture war the game is pretty much fated to be dogshit, and I say this as someone who completed VTMB 3 times

>"Well yeah TCR has never been good at gameplay, but they're known for their stories bro the stories, this time the story is going to be so good bro I swear"
Has anyone actually played a TCR game? Their stories are like 6/10 at best. It's crazy how they built their reputation as focusing on writing over gameplay, but they shit the bed in both because nobody actually plays TCR games so they don't realize the writing also sucks

>>719719005
I didn't expect anything of you besides shilling anyway

>>719718753
>>719718928
The Hardsuit version was a trash fire and the story had gone nowhere. They had a bunch of meandering quests that were not fun.

>>719711673
>tranime

>>719711223
>outrage campaigns
It doesn't have a big enough one. I need the Twitter chudroids to get on it.

>>719711794
Are you actually saying VTMB 1 doesn't have an inventory or stats?

Are you fucking retarded? Here's both in a single image for you

>>719719193
Wrong thread Mr. Kiwifarmer.

>>719719101
Well that's because, as we established, you are retarded. I'm not even buying the game. It's too short(40h meh) and I'm not even gonna start about the DLC bs.

>>719718928
>i know Avellone got into that whole sexual harassment cancellation
I feel like it's prudent to mention that the whole cancellation turned out to be a scam by two mentally unwell women. Avellone actually won a settlement against them.

Mitsoda's deal is more complicated. He was the lead on the original project so maybe he just fumbled the project too hard. There was some murmur about him being difficult to work with, but that might have just been rabid Twitterites searching for some excuse to grab their pitchforks.

>>719705045
Hate multiple protags, what a fucking mess of a game.

>>719719295
ARE YOU RETARDED?
I'm saying VtMB2 doesn't and therefore the comparison with the new Deus Ex games is retarded.
Learn2read

>>719719081
Amnesia A Machine For Pigs is one of the most disappointing sequels I've ever played, they actively removed gameplay that the first one had, and the story wasn't even any good, it was boring and nonsensical

The only thing about that game that I think is any good is the main character's voice actor, because he does a lot of audiobooks that I like

>>719709156
I hate this modern gaming cliche. Do zoomers instantly lose interest if something isn't talking to them constantly?

>>719718996
You walk out of your haven past a radio playing this game's Deb equivalent and step out into the street as Rik Schaffer music starts playing. What exactly do you think is being evoked here?
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=KHC4ASNB5-VcgtCn&t=1500

I'm sure you're aware that originally the game didn't have the malkavian. They delayed the game a year to add him. And we're not stupid. He exists to pander to Bloodlines 1 fans. He has quests that are what BL1 fans want. (He talks to humans. Phyre doesn't give a shit about humans and interacts with them with, at best, an air of disdain and disgust.) He has wacky malk shit like fans want. He uses disciplines in dialogue like fans want. Fabien is basically engineered to give VTMB1 fans the experience they want within certain constraints. So you cannot talk about VTMB2 without talking about him, and the decision to push the release back a year to rewrite him and add his playable sections using the content from the now cancelled Malkavian DLC. The reality is that the game is very conscious of what VTMB1 fans want.

>>719719081
No they seem overly pretentious and suck themselves off for not using common video game conventions.

>>719719361
you responded to a post about the first game, look at the first fucking line

>No. It's a 2000's era RPG so it's full of combat.
how about YOU learn to read instead of making yourself look like a cunt?

No wonder so many retards post here now, you faggots would never survive having your name attached to the stupid shit you say online

>>719719038
>>V5 instead of Revised
You do understand that VTMB2 = V5 right? Design elements like blood resonance originated in VTMB2 and were copied over. v5 doesn't exist without VTMB2. It was a version of VTM designed to align with the game.

>>719719306
>Noooooo pls
>I'm not a shill
>ignore all my shilling
Pathetic

>>719719081
TCR's games have transcendently good writing. There is basically no game studio on earth that writes better dialogue than them. But people don't play VTMB for the writing.

>>719719548
>homosexual retarded redditor wants real life id
Damn

>>719719572
>You do understand that VTMB2 = V5 right?
Yes and you understand that not only that's a bad call (because V5 sucks) but also another point illustrating how different this alleged sequel is to the original

>>719719497
Deb on the radio and Rik's music does not compel me to buy the game. I am not a Tendie who claps at recognizable thing.

>He exists to pander to Bloodlines 1 fans. He has quests that are what BL1 fans want.
Ohhhhhhh I see it now. You only added the knockoff Johnny Silverhand to shit on VTMB1 fans who wanted a playable Malk and the ones who liked the quirky humor. Its clear to me now. I know you TCRfaggots have a raging hate boner for VTMB1. The estrogen pill bottle must have cut too deep.

>>719715327
Fuck

>>719717218
Cyberpunk's the only other one off the top of my head

>719719629
He's going all out, huh?

>>719719309
>He was the lead on the original project so maybe he just fumbled the project too hard.
from what i remember from the rumors and leaks
>full on ideas guy with no filter
>given complete freedom by Paradox
>easily convinced by someone else to choose Hardsuit Labs over far more competent studios
>didn't know how to lead a team, only write
>ignored the one VTM lorefag on the team, lorebreaking stuff all around
>Hardsuit Labs had people that barely knew how to code make fake trailer and highly curated demos so it seemed like they were actually progressing
>3 DLCs planned when the game wasn't even close to playable

basically a whole ass clusterfuck of a development cycle, by comparison the TCR version has been smooth sailing with minimal issues, and that's saying something considering they did major rewrites to their own story just a year ago.

>>719704559
You can use guns in the mirrors edge way, but worse, you can pick up guns and fire them until they're dry and then throw them away. But you do it using telekinesis so you can't aim for shit and it feels bad. Also your backstory, and everything, is all the same besides some checks, you're always a fucking elder, it's always a power fantasy about being the biggest baddest vampire and it's lame as shit and has NOTHING to do with the Bloodlines IP

>>719719402
I wager you didn't understand A Machine for Pigs' story if you found it "nonsensical". It's fairly straightforward. Man touches orb. Man sees the horrors of the coming century. Man goes fucking insane and kills his sons so they won't die during WWI. Man builds machine. He places the orb into the machine. And part of his soul becomes part of the machine. Machine concludes that "This world is a machine! A Machine for Pigs! Fit only for the slaughtering of pigs!"

The protagonist wakes up with his memories missing. He reactivates the machine. Realizes that it is going to destroy the entire world in an effort to save mankind from the coming horrors. He argues that this isn't the way. Cue the greatest monologue you've heard in your life about the nature of suffering and horror.

>>719715327
As long as its not another "Bloodlines" The VN games are alright

>>719719754
Pillars of Eternity 2, Cyberpunk, Veilguard, BG3, this fucking game, hell you can also add Owlcat's Wrath of the Righteous during certain sections here.

>>719719870
They should stop doing this

>>719719816
I write off every "this is such a shill thread" or "go home TCR dev" as people just falling for bait because there's definitely no way 4chan even breaks top 50 on a list of websites that companies would want to guerilla market their game on
But the fact that someone on here is defending AMFP is making me reconsider, nobody would debase themselves that much just to troll

>>719720176
>because there's definitely no way 4chan even breaks top 50 on a list of websites that companies would want to guerilla market their game on
Oh, you'd be surprised.

Out of all things this brown retard had to rent his head out to Fallout 4.

>>719719746
The Malkavian DLC was planned from early on. But when Fabien was rewritten from a whining social justice obsessed thinblood who constantly whined about Phyre being evil into a quirky chemtrails malkavian, the malk detective was rewritten into Fabien. Originally it was a very different character. TCR said that Paradox were very "brave" to agree to let them completely rewrite Fabien and make him playable because a lot of publishers would have refused.

>>719719798
>But you do it using telekinesis so you can't aim for shit
It makes no difference to aiming. What do you mean?
>it's always a power fantasy about being the biggest baddest vampire
Are we pretending VTMB1 didn't do the same thing? The fledgling stuff was a farce.

>>719701124 (OP)
If you retarded fags had actually made an rpg instead of another action/movie game I might give a shit about your predicament. You made garbage now live with the consequences.

>>719720176
>there's definitely no way 4chan even breaks top 50 on a list of websites that companies would want to guerilla market their game on
This is the website that made minecraft go viral

>>719720328
Fabien is only there to shit on malkfags. Got it. Making fun of your audience always has a positive player response.

>>719701124 (OP)
cohh looks like he's given up on twitch and started his chaturbate career

>>719720176
AMFP is fucking awesome. It's the only Amnesia with any kind of cultural legacy. When was the last time you saw anyone talk about the dumbass plots of the other Amnesia titles or their core thematic substance? The dialogue in AMFP is incredible.
https://youtu.be/6-Jf2veueGQ?si=19WM8mEctPdzx5gX&t=1021
It's poetry. And the performances are all spectacular.

>>719720557
Fabien seems like he's going to become the new poster child of Malks.

>>719719532
worst part being, they're not even good at it

>>719701124 (OP)
>They think there's no Malkavian. (You play half the game as one.)
That sounds stupid.

>>719720959
The devs clearly wanted to make vampire LA Noire. Which I think is a good thing.

>>719720785
Sure and vtmb2 will sell 45 million copies

>>719715939
Wow, Lou is such a bitch.

It has like 150 thousand wishlists. It'll work out.

>>719723168
Veilguard had more and flopped mega hard

It just looks like shit and the gameplay looks like it feels like shit to play.
VTMB had its own aesthetic and feeling, VTMB2 just looks like every other cookie cutter game out there.

>b-but VTMB had bad combat!
It's 2025.

Has there ever been VtM game that didn't flop?

>>719719629
bait used to be believable.

>>719701124 (OP)
Good morning SAR.

>>719708597
>>719708070
Buy the game and sequel will be better

>>719715939
kino

>>719702786
It's how they pay the bills

>>719701124 (OP)
>scowling women
Great, my favorite. A shame she doesn't look like a monkey on top of that.

>>719715939
lol wtf that looks kinda good

>>719704559
nice job carefully avoiding to say "choices in dialogues" because slop like this will never have meaningful choices

>>719710997
>why the heck
come on man
just either say "hell" or "fuck" or avoid the phrase altogether
one can't be an edgy vampire and also self censoring
sad

>>719701124 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>719712084
a single screencap is all that's necessary anon
instead you turn into a homosexual

>>719703419
>No character building options
>Dogshit ass power fantasy where you're a super cool faggy elder zey/zem from the 1800s
>No option to spec into any combat type outside of a shitty combat trees, stuck to using punches and kicks and weirdly telekenesis
>Voiced protag
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!
DO THESE RETARDED FUCKING WOMEN NOT UNDERSTAND IT'S FUN TO START OFF AS A WEAK/CLUELESS CHARACTER AND WORK YOUR WAY UP INTO BEING POWERFULL AND KNOWLEDGEABLE BOTH IN AND OUT OF THE GAME????

>>719711223
Eventually you'll realize that marketing isn't trying to sell you shit games, but that shit games sell you marketing, i.e.: pad traffic and engagement -- they are little more than onboarding schemes to consultation rackets, e-grifting parasocialites and digitial daycare-botfarms.
The industry has been captured by PR gremlins. These PR gremlins cultivate an unsustainable economy of lies: they sell problems, rent out solutions (marginally smaller problems) and deceive everyone -- shareholders, developers, customers and players. They don't care about the quality or reception of the product, they don't care about what you believe, love or hate and they don't care to convince you of anything. The more controversy, the better for them.

Their final goal however is to distract and placate you, while high finance (read: their owners, banksters) turns your passions and lifetime into vacuous commodities.

>be PR gremlins
>gaslight publisher into whipping developers into frenzy to create super-slop
>gobble up the majority of the "development" budget, recommend hiring nepotists
>proliferate more slop to e-grifting parasocialites to fan the flames; hype a product you know will fail miserably, gaslight customers and shareholders with predatory marketing
>reinvest a fraction of your hyper-bloated budget and buy copies through subsidaries and at a discount to gaslight everyone some more, after padding stats shortterm refund to ruin them longterm
>simultaneousely shill for and against the product to maximize controversy and thus traffic, engagement and demand of your service and that of your buisness partners, such as consultation rackets
>eventually come out of it being the sole profiteer, blaming everyone else

In other words: if you're a shareholder of a publisher or developer studio instead of an investor to a marketing agency, then you are a barely functional lobotomite.

>>719722538
Whoever is the VA her voice makes my dick hard, the milkers are just a bonus.

>>719715939
The script is better than the voice acting. Some of them are really chewing the scenery

>Are we pretending VTMB1 didn't do the same thing?
It slammed home how ultimately irrelevant you are over time. Sure, the protags quick growth in power was very unusual, but you start out pathetic and the game bitch slaps you several times and effectively tells you know you place before you become a real threat and are getting too big a head.
>Think you're hot shit? Get dabbed on by some random gangbangers.
>Gangbangers not longer a threat? Here. Get sent scurrying by some random ghost.
>Threaten Theresa because you're now a ghostbuster? She just tells you to get out of her face because some neonate isn't worth the crust on her cold cunt
And it goes on and on and on from zombies, to hunters, to werewolves, to a random Tzimicse Vozhd, to the military, to chink sharks, to whatever. Hell, we even run into the common occurrence of people restarting in Hollywood because their character is too shit to continue progressing.

>>719720409
>Are we pretending VTMB1 didn't do the same thing?
It slammed home how ultimately irrelevant you are over time. Sure, the protags quick growth in power was very unusual, but you start out pathetic and the game bitch slaps you several times and effectively tells you know you place before you become a real threat and are getting too big a head.
>Think you're hot shit? Get dabbed on by some random gangbangers.
>Gangbangers not longer a threat? Here. Get sent scurrying by some random ghost.
>Threaten Theresa because you're now a ghostbuster? She just tells you to get out of her face because some neonate isn't worth the crust on her cold cunt
And it goes on and on and on from zombies, to hunters, to werewolves, to a random Tzimicse Vozhd, to the military, to chink sharks, to whatever. Hell, we even run into the common occurrence of people restarting in Hollywood because their character is too shit to continue progressing.

>>719718431
Fucking stop calling it "Bloodlines 1". Do you see a fucking "1" anywhere in the title? No you don't, so get your shit together.

>>719701124 (OP)
I didn’t realize /v/ was excited for this shit

>>719726483
Nobody is, marketer shill.
I hope everyone you love die in front of your eyes.

>>719726543
Kys trannyjeet I never said I liked this game

>>719726543
meds

>>719704559
>just another low brow movie game for brown people on console
neat, uh, fuck you

>>719726649
>>719726646
>"Uhm, you mean people are ACTUALLY excited for this game? I mean yeah I can totally see why, but I just thought I was the only one after paradox handled the whole thing a little clumsily"

>>719718201
>YOU ARE COURTING FINAL DEATH
you got me

>>719726965
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>>719726649
>>719726646
>>719726543
>>719726483
i actually am excited and think you should all kill yourselves.

Despite it all I hope it's a fun game. I just want to play a game that really captures that Bloodlines atmosphere of sleaze, deceit and comedy. I've had the game pre-ordered for six years or something.

>>719727086
People like you are why hitmen on the dark web get work.

>>719727154
the 80 IQ people that made this game aren't self aware enough to make a good game

>>719727086
dummy

>>719727154
That era of gaming is over anon.
You will never get a tightly written game like that again, as the gaming industry has turned into an endless slop factory where no tight team of developers can create something they're truly passionate about outside of indie games. Anon, they need to appeal to the lowest common denominator! They can't risk making anything controversial or for a niche audience, they might lose money!
I fucking hate the modern gaming industry so much.

>>719701124 (OP)
Fuck off faggot.

>>719705135
When it flops he will have a mental breakdown and throw a massive temper tantrum on /v/ for a bit. But since at that point he won’t have any more protection since the money has dried up he will just get permananned. And then he will just find somewhere like reddit to seethe.

>>719727482
Don't worry it will be another BG3 where the only people posting about it are rejects from twitter that never even heard of the first game, the gameplay and story will be horrendous

>>719727652
But BG3 is pretty much universally loved. There's only the tencent schizo and a couple of contrarians who post about it negatively.

>>719727861
It's also 100% verifiable that there's something wrong with you which is why you said that

>>719727910
Verify this *whips out dick*

>>719726543
This is the trvth

>>719728050
How about kill yourself so people don't have to babysit you here

>>719704559
You can't even bring guns with you through a door.

>>719701124 (OP)
I will be very upset if I don't get access to her friend zone

>>719728115
Blow it out your ass

>>719723232
It will do worse than Veilguard. I can't wait

>>719728409
How about blow your brains out your worthless piece of shit

>>719713345
>what do you mean I have to put effort into properly pacing my game
>this is so unfair
You're dumb.

>>719727861
People who like games, are busy playing games, and will only engage parasocial media and boards to troubleshoot issues, find mods or look up news to expansions. There are only five kinds of regular posters:
>corporate shills
>debtcattle whose hobby is consumption and who use gaming as vehicle
>performative gaymers who seek parasocial validation
>glowniggers who subvert communities and whereever possible entrap anons
>bullies whose favorite way of covering downtime is religiously bullying all the aforementioned demographics

>2000 year old vampire
>doesn't have pockets
>can't pick up gun
>shill will respond focusing entirely on "Phyre" not being 2000 years old

>>719705239
>can unlock other clans’ disciplines so clan choice doesn’t really matter
wow, just like the tabletop
fucking idiot

>>719728543
Modern games aren't even games, they're hold forward on the stick console movies for brown people. "The real gamers" enjoying games are turbocasuals that would be watching tv slop otherwise

>>719728638
>But t-telekinesis is cooler than picking up a g-gun!
Is usually the response I see

>>719728638
400 years old

>>719712340
>>719712479
I like how Mass Effect invented the dialogue wheel style yet retards call it Fallout 4 dialogue.

>>719729191
It's called fallout 4 because that's around when devs stopped even trying with dialogue wheels because browns will just click anything no matter what it says

>>719701124 (OP)
I ain't confused about shit. It's a cash grab sequel riding the popularity of a cult classic. It's going to be a mediocre slog that is lauded as the second coming of christ by paid sycophant journo's, be popular for about a month then be forgotten forever having failed at attracting a new audience or givimg fans of the original a game they want to play. Pretty standard.

>>719728793
Yes, triple-ass turboslop effectively serves only one purpose: filter the worst specimen and keep them away from any other activity. Any second Mr. Turbofaggot McHypernigger spends engaging digital MTX-cattle ranches, is a second he's not being an obstacle to the rest of mankind.

>>719729519
it's more just that mcturbonigger sanchez will spend all his parent's EBT money on golden flaming soccer cleats for his fortnite character

>>719728925
It's all so tiresome.
Read their dogshit devblogs, they refuse to let the player do anything that doesn't make them feel like a hyper powerful vampire. This includes picking up normal weapons, keys, picking locked doors and other activities like that.

>>719730904
>Chinky Room makes a VtM game but doesn't understand the point of VtM.

>>719728692
>>719705412
>literally kills all replayability

>>719730904
If I were a corperate executive i'd fucking whip at the devs to add gun combat immediately

>>719731363
the fact you have such standards for your product exempt you from becoming a corporate executive

>>719729737
Yes. McTurbonigger Sanchez funnels his worthless magic paper into one ( or potentially several) inflation sinks, whilst decaying in his basement. Imagine what would happen if you took away all the digital eugenics. You'd have thousands, millions and potentially billions of "people" spending their time making their retarded problems into your problems, whilst happily padding the depopulationists' argument.

We're are long since way past the point of no-return in terms of social misengineering, botched eugenics and reckless usury. The worst of it: the very faggots who are now proposing solutions to this sorry state of affair are themselves responsible for it. Clownworld is one grand, bloated, false-front moribund mega-corporation run into the ground be the n-th generation of inbred, inept nepotists and their gaggle of yes-men.

>>719705412
>Yea, that's how it works in the tabletop
you know how fucking hard it is for anyone who isn't a Tremere to learn blood magic? It's rarer than finding women willing to touch your peepee.

>>719730904
>>719730984
It's the kind of thing someone just out of game design school would think is clever, it's like yellow paint, peak midwit.

>>719705045
this sounds terrible. they butchered the entire spirit of the first game in both gameplay and narrative style.

>>719701124 (OP)
oh hey, it's this guy

>>719730984
Tcr really wants to their own thing instead of following both Bloodlines and Vtm itself. Phyre is one of their special OCs.

Women should never be game designers that's for the dudebros and chuds

they should only be making music and character design/art/concept art

>>719731980
IT IS LITERALLY THIS BRO. THIS SHIT IS NOT A BLOODLINES GAME. IT'S BARELY A FUCKING VAMPIRE THE MASQUERADES GAME.
FUCK MY STUPID REVENANT LIFE

>>719713335
I bet they had to remake that animation several times to get it to look this lame.

>>719731980
What kind of fucking name is phyre anyway?

>>719701124 (OP)
>(You play half the game as one.)
Why do I play half the game as something different? I prefer to just play as my character in RPGs

>>719701124 (OP)
>>They think there's no Malkavian. (You play half the game as one.)
what if I don't want to play Malkavian?

>>719733372
Some cope was that its a ancient Armenian or Turkish name I don't remember. Wouldn't it be funny if a vampire was named FIRE. GET IT

>>719701124 (OP)
>>They think there's no Malkavian. (You play half the game as one.)
You're not fucking malk just because you have Johnny Silverhand 2.0 in your fucking head this is a retarded cope

>>719703049
have you tried playing video-games?

>>719733372
a name perfectly fitting for a vtm character made by a 14 yo mall goth

>>719713516
the options unlocked by disciplines or stats always made a big difference

>>719701124 (OP)
>>They think it has Fallout 4 style dialog (it doesn't).
Why is that not true? It has the same four option system and even the NPC reaction to go with it like [Igor hated that]

>>719704559
Faggot, fr at this point fuck off and buy and ad. Bloodlines 2 doesn't exist, this is just The Chinese Room making a Twilight video game with some weirdly specific IP infringement.

this is a shill post if I've ever seen one

Bruh Diablerie was NOT COMMON and was basically an excuse for one player to meta game and the DM to say "get em boys" or to allow an NPC to have zero protection from players or the world for story beats.

VAMPIRES DRINK HUMANS. THEY GET NERVY WHEN THEY DRINK EACH OTHER. THEY ALSO GET BLOOD BONDED IF THEY DONT FINISH THE MEAL.

this is such a fucking travesty, a butchering of the source material, the original game, and White Wolf's general goodwill having once been cool and edgy. This fucking sucks and I hope everyone affiliated with this game or who even saw trailers gets Curse of the Slabbed.

>>719734959
Tbf diablerie was always a shit concept in the tabletop too.
It's supposed to be this huge deal that marks your soul and has horrific consequences like personality remnants and loss of self, but it's almost always just a power up

>>719733372
Wait till you learn they/them's first name.
It's Vahn. Vahn Phyre.

>>719734959
>and White Wolf's general goodwill having once been cool and edgy
That was like 20 years ago

>>719735254
Is this real

When will the parakikes and chink room shills realize that no one has ever played the tabletop game and trying to defend retarded cringe shit with "it's like that in the boardgame" has absolutely no fucking merit or worth as an argument?
Telekinesis does not "look cool", it's stupid, gay as fuck and most tells you that the waking walking sim devs aren't talented enough to do gun mechanics, animations and satisfying shooting in an FPS.
>b-b-but the shooting in Bloodlines wasn't good, so it's basically the same game!
Kill yourself.

>>719735358
Anon why do you THINK they went with phyre of all possible shitty names?

>>719735697
They tried to say Phyre got it from a band poster now lo

>>719735129
It's literally meant to taint your aura to the point any decent elder or above average vamp will see on sight you've been having a sippy, and anyone else will get general uneasy vibes from you, humans and vamps included.

The Tzimisce were made fuckin around with souls and essences and other people's power levels, and look how they ended up. Sticky.

>>719735962
Yeah but Phyre is special she knows every skill and has mastered ALL clan abilities as a thinblood elder, this kinslaykween girlboss doesn't answer to anyone, especially not old white male vampires who doesn't realise their time is over.

>>719736312
When this game is so shit the real life vampires decide to drop the Masquerade and massacre humans.

>>719735614
and to everybody who has played the TTRPG, he's being a lying sack of shit

>>719736413
>Implying the second inquisition wouldn't BTFO them

>>719733372
It's because this game is gonna be Phyre yo, unlike that shitty first game that everybody always hated. Fabien
t. otally not a shill

i fucking hate Thinbloods, no idea why Mitsoda wanted to make the game be about them.

You know what's really fucked up?
When Bloodlines came out, we were in a point in time when the Masquerade was more important than ever because "everyone had a camera in their pocket" (even if internet on your flipphone wasn't common yet).

In this current year, 2025, the Masquerade literally no longer matters. ANY recordings of vampire activity would automatically be assumed to be AI generated. Vampires could kill people openly on the street and people would say "just another junkie gone insane". Ever nosferatu could walk around openly because there are troons on the street that look a million times more horrifying and normies are conditioned to bow and scrape to them. Malkavians could do whatever the fuck they wanted and people would just go, "poor guy having a crashout, probably has autism and bipolar we should start a gofundme for him".

There is no better time than RIGHT NOW to be a vampire and 99% of people would openly defend vampires against the second inquisition as if they were a minority. And the game won't acknowledge this at all and still pretend there's any reason for the Masquerade whatsoever.

>>719704559
>didn't deny the lack of attributes and skills
Grim

>>719737608
I thought it was because they were being pushed at the time

>>719737701
Because vampires are really hidebound and don't like changing things that have (sorta) worked for so long.

>>719738017
masquarade was dead at the time, thin-bloods were heavily pushed during it's revival specifically because bloodlines2 was going to heavily feature them

OP is a massive fucking disigneuous lying faggot
Almost every single criticism of the game is true, and he can only use half-truths to defend this shit game
>>They think there's no Malkavian.
People KNOW you cannot CREATE a malkavian character. Having some secondary faggot protag you don't create isn't the same thing retard.
>You can use all the guns
You can float them in a retarded manner and you can't move them out of the room

Now things the shill DIDN'T mention
>all the battles are doom 2016 style arena battles where you have to kill every enemy before you're allowed to leave the room
>you have a snarky voice in your head commenting on everything
>protag is voiced
>You can't customize your character's appearance, he has to look like the lamest retard
>there's no inventory
>or melee weapons

Notice how the faggot completely ignores when someone mentions that there's no stats or skills? He'll go on and on how people think the dialogue system is this or that, but suddenly he shuts the fuck up when people talk about stats, skills or inventory.

>>719735697
So that zoomers can spam YOOO THAT SHIT'S PHYRE memes everywhere

>>719739737
>all the battles are doom 2016 style arena battles where you have to kill every enemy before you're allowed to leave the room
Please tell me you're joking.

>>719741593
Why would he be joking?
You walk into a room/closed area combat begins.
Doors unlock when you're done.
You also can't bring guns with you outside since every door is a loading screen to a new arena.

>>719741790
That's such a massive downgrade and people are trying to say it's like fucking Dishonored.

>>719742109
how is that different from dishonored
dishonored has open world sections where you can walk away from fights
dishonored also has enclosed sections where you can't
not shilling, just not seeing the difference

>>719737701
True. You should have written the plot for the second game anon, that sounds more unique and interesting than whatever the plot of this game is (rehashing cyberpunk)

>>719742109
how is that a downgrade? it's how the combat-heavy parts of vtmb played.

>>719742109
I've been saying for a few threads that the comparisons to Dishonored were mostly dangerous for the game, as they create expectations of systemic complexity it won't offer.
That said, new trailer is looking decent, can't wait to get my teeth on the game.

>>719730984
>>719730904
>named chinese room after the experiment
>put a guy in a room and make him follow english instructions and churn out chinese writing
>everyone outside the room thinks he knows chinese but in reality he's just some shmuck following directions like a robot
>the devs completely fail to understand vtm but pretend to
lol you can't make this shit up

>>719705045
The perfect structure to make sure this game has zero replay ability
Bravo genius devs. You should remove all the clan choices as well. To make it more cohesive with your shitty vision.

>>719742615
>dishonored also has enclosed sections where you can't
Yeah, some boss fights, not every battle.
>>719742723
The parts everyone hates? And even up to midgame, you still get encounters where you can use a variety of skills to get through them.

>>719743398
>The parts everyone hates?
yes, the parts that are in the game, which makes this by definition not a downgrade.

>>719710164
Why is a woman called "prince"
Is this some faggot gender constructivist shit ?

>>719711491
To hide their ugly base colors

>>719743472
If it only has the shit parts, it's a downgrade.

>>719743472
>EVERY FIGHT
vs
>most fights after the midgame
hmm

>>719743472
from having shitty parts to being mostly shitty parts isn't a downgrade?cuz if you d, you probably failed first grade math.
>>719743598
nah, every vampire prince is called that regardless of gender, has been the case since the 90s

>>719743598
It's just a title. It doesn't have anything to do with gender.

>>719713040
>RPG
>glorified cutscene sections with next to no real gameplay
I'm sure some YouTube will break down how much core gameplay there will be in the shitty flashback sections.

>>719701124 (OP)
The dialogue is just fallout/mass effect tier though. It's all leading you to the same result. Dialogue doesn't mean anything in these modern "rpgs" It's all boring set pieces now.

>>719719754
Fable.

>>719743598
The title was always Prince, whatever the gender. There's only one instance so far of a woman "Prince" demanding to be called "Queen" instead.

>>719714449
You sound like a dev on the new shit show.
Only such a drone would make the argument that number = value

what's the best vampire game aside from vtmb? bloodnet?

>>719743129
>That said, new trailer is looking decent, can't wait to get my teeth on the game.
Sanjeet you got to fucking stop, you bloody benchod Dalit.

>>719744080
The female equivalent of Prince isn't "Queen". It's princess.

>>719744143
Castlevania

I'm surprised Paradox never shit out a WoD GS game.

>>719744085
That's not anon's claim, but the one to which anon is answering.

>>719744143
As much as I love some aspects of it, Bloodnet is a (glorius) mess.
I think one issue is that Bloodlinbe is basically sitting alone in that good vampire game spot.
Vampyr has great ideas but terrible execution, DARK was.... well no one remembers it and even finding a copy to pirate these days can be kinda difficult, which should tell you all you have to know about it.
Swansong is a decent 7/10 I would say, but again a very uneven mess in design (classic Cyanide). I liked it, but I would necessarily recommend it unless I know your tastes well enough...

If interazctive fiction is good enough for you, check VtM Night Road, I guess.

>>719744282
Go tell that to the official writers for the game, I don't give a shit.

I think if you wanted a really good VTM game You'd either have to go full CRPG and have dedicated characters for each clan or make a game dedicated to a specific Clan.

>>719744282
if we're going to be honest here, the main reason none of the vampires call themselves "princess" is because of disney

>>719744282
the immortal vampire wants you to call her queen, you call her queen

man, it's literally impossible to discuss AA+ games on /v/. And they wonder why people barricade themselves from this biomass in generals. It is not to interact with you, troglodytes.

>>719745746
/v/ is a large mix of real hardcore gamers and twitter users trying to get posts and attention for their x accounts. This is one of the best places for information if you can get past the brown hurdles.

>>719745479
just make a goth lolita fashion wearing Toreador that wants to be called princess.

>>719705519
this looks like a fucking WEG i cant

>>719745746
then go to /vg/ faggot

>>719745746
>>719745890
The fundamental problem is OP being a disingenuous faggot. If he wasn't doing that maybe the thread would have had a change to have a discussion.

>>719745746
antagonizing people is not the way to get them to like your game, I'm still divided, I see many things I like, but also some major dealbreakers

>>719745746
Cause this game is the shittiest example of AAA, an overpriced dev hell shit with multiple base game mechanics locked behind DLC and/or preorder.

>>719744282
No, because here is not used in the modern formal sense, but in the original generic sense for "ruler". As in Machiavel's The Prince.
In that sense, a King (or the Pope) is a Prince.

>>719745897
Man if I was a high ranking Ventrue I'd love just spoiling the fuck out of a High Humanity Ghoul or Toreador Vamp.