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Anonymous No.719771209 >>719771527 >>719771968 >>719774041 >>719775598 >>719777183 >>719777296 >>719777967 >>719778043 >>719778439 >>719778592 >>719778774 >>719779949 >>719780606 >>719780950 >>719781137 >>719784117 >>719786204 >>719787785 >>719788272 >>719788820 >>719793830 >>719795532 >>719797905 >>719798368 >>719800503 >>719803393 >>719803679 >>719819487 >>719819673 >>719830032 >>719835019
>Snake... something something politicians... something something Soviet Union... something something open the borders...
>MGS3 fans: "damn this traitorous bitch is making a lot of sense"
Anonymous No.719771527 >>719776319
>>719771209 (OP)
no you don't understand... her triple agent plan to fuck over the scientist that wanted to switch to Americas side and giving a crazy unpredictable russian a nuke that he suddenly used and could have one shotted snake if he aimed slightly different was too complicated for you to understand.. she as a TRUE soldier or something
Anonymous No.719771567 >>719771676 >>719772106 >>719777260 >>719778307 >>719780846 >>719780891 >>719781078 >>719784174 >>719786651 >>719787774 >>719787880 >>719791475 >>719791657 >>719792839 >>719794023 >>719797715 >>719815953 >>719822605 >>719824187 >>719829740 >>719832074
It's typical weird writing from Kojima and his team. No regular human being would talk about these themes like loyalty and patriotism in such a weird esoteric way. Same with how the characters talk and interact in Death Stranding. It's like uncanny valley, but instead of visuals, it's the dialogue and character behavior. People eat it up and pedestalize Kojima to be some genius for it though strangely enough.

MGS1 was the exception though. It sounded more natural even if the dialogue was stylized in a Hollywood action way. Kojima hated it though lol
Anonymous No.719771597 >>719777870 >>719779446 >>719780004 >>719787717 >>719801216 >>719827718
>Do nothing
>You're a ZOGbot
>Switch sides
>You're a traitor
How the fuck do you win?
Anonymous No.719771676
>>719771567
This explains why I prefer MGS1 out of the whole series.
Anonymous No.719771968
>>719771209 (OP)
Who are you quoting?
Anonymous No.719772103 >>719787493 >>719794409
Hey ocelot, skullface stop recording and help him
Anonymous No.719772106 >>719776416 >>719777794 >>719777885
>>719771567
Kojima is good with the gameplay systems and interactions he wants and encourages his team to create. He is also unafraid to just put silly shit in his games because he knows they are games and it doesn't need to be pretentiously serious all the time. Kojima is also good with directing visual elements; compare his cutscenes visual compositions and camera angles to all the wannabe cinema people in other studios and it is night and day.

What Kojima is not is a good writer; he is too reliant on expository dialogue when characters should already know much or all of the information, is inconsistent with showing rather than telling, etc. He really needs a good editor.
Anonymous No.719774027
Come on, man. All she wanted was world peace. You would too if you had lived through a world war.
Anonymous No.719774041 >>719777439 >>719777762 >>719779472 >>719780148 >>719790047
>>719771209 (OP)
>The Boss: Opens up about her entire political and philosophical views while she unzips her suit to reveal her scars as a symbol of her suffering
>Me: Try to listen to her out of respect.
>My brain: "Mommy milkers. Cute milf. Domm mommy gf. Sugarmommy. Breedable. But she's sterile. Even better. Tomboy waifu. Sex. Close Quarters Courtship."
What the fuck is wrong with me? I just want to play the game in peace.
Anonymous No.719775547
She looks like Liquid Snake. I'm not attracted.
saucy No.719775598
>>719771209 (OP)
MGS1: Racism bad
MGS2: Sexism bad
MGS3: Ageism bad
MGS4: Ableism bad
Anonymous No.719776147 >>719776253 >>719776440 >>719777094 >>719777372 >>719777559 >>719778635 >>719780638 >>719782959 >>719790734 >>719791805 >>719796832 >>719797201 >>719807210 >>719832298
How MGS3 Could've Had the Greatest Story
>The Boss is a man who never went to space, so he makes some sense
>His defection is real because the US was planning to give the Cobra Unit a suicide mission
>Jack was left out because he didn't want him involved
>Jack is sent on an actual suicide mission to kill his master and his apprentices and succeeds in contrary to everyone's expectations
>The US feared a Caesar-like figure in the US military after the whole loss of faith and humanity after both world wars, which is why the aforementioned suicide mission was planned
>Jack becomes that figure in Big Boss except even worse
>the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin with
Anonymous No.719776253
>>719776147
I'd play it.
Anonymous No.719776319 >>719782615
>>719771527
Volgin firing the Davey Crockett wasn't part of the plan and really screwed up everything.
Anonymous No.719776416 >>719777130 >>719777807 >>719793325 >>719793487
>>719772106
My favorite bit of exposition is when in MGS2 AI Campbell talks for what feels like 20 minutes, meanwhile Solidus is standing a couple of feet away not killing you because reasons.
Anonymous No.719776440
>>719776147
Metal gear solid 3 is a sequel to metal gear solid 2, where the patriot AI was already established.
Anonymous No.719777094 >>719781141
>>719776147
gay changes
Anonymous No.719777130
>>719776416
solidus expected you to give up on hearing the patriots spiel
Anonymous No.719777183
>>719771209 (OP)
These games were made by a japanese leftist, what did you expect?
Anonymous No.719777240 >>719777754
Boss, when was the world ever "whole"?
Anonymous No.719777260 >>719797715
>>719771567
>MGS1 was the exception though. It sounded more natural even if the dialogue was stylized in a Hollywood action way
You mean the English localization of MGS1 was exceptional. The guy who translated the game did an outstanding job, but AFAIK he went a bit too far changing the source material to make it make sense so Kojima got rid of him
Anonymous No.719777296
>>719771209 (OP)
Yeah upon replay so many years later it becomes clear the writing in this game is insanely bad.
Anonymous No.719777372 >>719781141
>>719776147
>making the boss a man
Fuck off faggot, didn't read the rest.
Anonymous No.719777439 >>719783546
>>719774041
https://youtu.be/EY_gSJdsld0
Anonymous No.719777559
>>719776147
Sounds good, but we're in the bad timeline unfortunately.
Anonymous No.719777754
>>719777240
when the original philosophers were controlling it
Anonymous No.719777762
>>719774041
See: Freud.
Anonymous No.719777794 >>719777885
>>719772106
He's an ideas guy, and not in a derisive way, but someone else should be in charge of turning those ideas into an actual script.
Anonymous No.719777807
>>719776416
Solidus has the time.
Anonymous No.719777870
>>719771597
>How the fuck do you win?
You pick one or something else and realise no matter what you do you'll be an enemy to someone.
Anonymous No.719777885 >>719777961
>>719772106
>>719777794
I am pretty sure Kojima doesn't actually write dialogue. MGSV had like a dozen writers, so my guess is that he does like silly dialogue and asks people to add more of it.
Anonymous No.719777961
>>719777885
Not all of it, but isn't there some interview where they say he personally wrote most of the main story stuff in 2?
Anonymous No.719777967 >>719778005 >>719778024
>>719771209 (OP)
Did the Boss give birth to a chestburster. What baby did she have inside her.
Anonymous No.719778005
>>719777967
ocelot.
it was a field c section so they went a bit wild with it.
Anonymous No.719778024 >>719778403 >>719778708
>>719777967
the original plan was for it to be a snake tattoo, later it was changed to a scar but the general style stayed the same
Anonymous No.719778043 >>719778127
>>719771209 (OP)
What, you need a little man running along trains in the corner to help keep you focused?
Anonymous No.719778127 >>719778203
>>719778043
How is that game different from the original Sonic?
Anonymous No.719778203 >>719778365
>>719778127
You can see where you're going
Anonymous No.719778307 >>719778606 >>719793826 >>719797715 >>719806980 >>719825485
>>719771567
it's literally just theatrical writing, same as kingdom hearts. This isn't netflix realism, this isn't marvel quippy, this is just normal ass theater stuff
Anonymous No.719778365
>>719778203
lmao.
Anonymous No.719778403
>>719778024
Now I understand wgy the scar snakes away after he death.
Anonymous No.719778439 >>719788396
>>719771209 (OP)
Fighting and dying endlessly for an everchanging set of ideals, versus fighting for a world where fighting is no longer necessary, or something.
Anonymous No.719778465 >>719778541 >>719778702
the only guy in his right fucking mind in this series is liquid snake, not ocelot, not liquid ocelot, but liquid snake
Anonymous No.719778541
>>719778465
brown hands made this post
Anonymous No.719778592
>>719771209 (OP)
Instant-loss mating press in the flowers
Anonymous No.719778606 >>719778885
>>719778307
I don't think you've seen a single stage play.
Anonymous No.719778635
>>719776147
>>the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin with
philosophers wanted to get their money back and staged the whole operation about the boss just like big shell and moses were about getting rid of snake clones. it's always the same shit.
Anonymous No.719778702
>>719778465
>the only guy ... fucking ... liquid snake ... snake (solid)
Anonymous No.719778708
>>719778024
>cheap biblical references
>game sucks
every time
Anonymous No.719778774 >>719778834
>>719771209 (OP)
Yeah, the remake is not worth buying.
Anonymous No.719778834 >>719779439
>>719778774
Must really suck to be poor
Anonymous No.719778885
>>719778606
you do realize western, the rest of the world, and especially fucking japanese plays are extremely different? There's much more kabuki DNA in kojima stuff.
Anonymous No.719779261 >>719783068 >>719783314 >>719784475 >>719795512
https://files.catbox.moe/ooss2p.mp4
the new ghillie suit is absolutely busted lmao, i don't know why it isn't considered a special item like the EZ gun etc
fun to play around with though
Anonymous No.719779410 >>719780784
The only Metal Gear games with passable stories are Ground Zeroes/V (Kojima watched Mad Max and decided less dialogue is better so there was a lower quantity of his shitty writing) and Revengeance (Kojima had nothing to do with it so the writing was good). Everything else is inexcusably bad.
Anonymous No.719779439
>>719778834
NTA but time is more valuable than money.
Anonymous No.719779446
>>719771597
>How the fuck do you win?
That's the best part, you can't!
Anonymous No.719779472
>>719774041
The Raped
Anonymous No.719779825 >>719803650
It's always about LE POLITICIANS and not people who vote them in. The sheeple never take responsibility
Anonymous No.719779949
>>719771209 (OP)
>open the borders, chud!
"No"
Anonymous No.719780004 >>719791271
>>719771597
Those aren not the only options, brainlet. Both sides are owned by Jews.
Take back control of your side and care about yourself, not others.
Anonymous No.719780148 >>719788272 >>719795532
>>719774041
You just know Jack got all up in that cougar gash
Anonymous No.719780225
Anonymous No.719780403 >>719780451
Quiet is better
Anonymous No.719780451
>>719780403
I've busted nuts to Quiet plenty
New Eva is better than Quiet
Anonymous No.719780606 >>719780670
>>719771209 (OP)
does delta actually look like this?
Anonymous No.719780638 >>719781141 >>719795532
>>719776147
I hate midwits so much it's unreal
Anonymous No.719780670 >>719785326
>>719780606
Delta looks great
Poors and tastelets without the legacy filter on need not apply
Anonymous No.719780737
Anonymous No.719780784 >>719780803 >>719831995
>>719779410
Revengeance is a meme game
Anonymous No.719780803 >>719780841
>>719780784
secondary
Anonymous No.719780841
>>719780803
Yes risingfags are mostly secondaries
Anonymous No.719780846
>>719771567
so basically japanese game maker writes games like the japanese write anime
also mgs3 being a james bond parody (which always had silly writing too) doesn't help either
Anonymous No.719780891 >>719787813
>>719771567
The way kojima writes sometimes confuses me because I can’t tell if it’s intentionally weird or he’s just autistic
Anonymous No.719780950
>>719771209 (OP)
Do kojimatards really?
Anonymous No.719781078 >>719781442
>>719771567
What are you talking about? It's not esoteric, it's extremely explicit and apparent.
You're using esoteric in place of exotic because you're illiterate, and even then it's not exotic at all, it's literally the marxist narrative.
Anonymous No.719781137
>>719771209 (OP)
The biggest problem with this character is that players have no reason to care about her betrayal. It happens right at the beginning and she only gets like 5 minutes of introduction which barely establishes her relationship with Snake
Anonymous No.719781141 >>719781769
>>719777094
>>719777372
>>719780638
dommy mommy faggots detected
Anonymous No.719781442 >>719781801
>>719781078
The right word to use for it would be idiosyncratic, and not in a good way. Unnatural, stilted. Bad.
Anonymous No.719781769 >>719781793
>>719781141
>nooo you aren't into the queerbait faggotry i posted you must be a bottom bitch!!
why are fags like this
Anonymous No.719781793 >>719781891
>>719781769
>no you
Anonymous No.719781801 >>719782089
>>719781442
I'm not talking about motorcycles flying, I'm talking about the "you can't see borders from space" part. That's not idiosyncratic, it's just marxist.
The motorcycle is idiosyncratic but no one cares about that, it's not a problem.
Anonymous No.719781891
>>719781793
Your concession was already pre-approved anon, no need to add kneeling to it.
Anonymous No.719782089 >>719782162 >>719782324
>>719781801
>marxist
The context behind that line was about how the cold war artificially split up the world into two ideological blocs. The character wanted a return to how the world was prior to WW2
Anonymous No.719782162
>>719782089
and it's stupid because everyone was even more divided
kojima is an idiot
Anonymous No.719782324 >>719782442
>>719782089
>artificially
Either way, the idea that all humans are the same and that borders are bad is very marxist in nature.
The world was even more divided before WW2. And that's a good thing. Leftists cry about identity but they don't really want to preserve it. Their version identity is all about oppressor and oppressed.
Anonymous No.719782442 >>719782532 >>719782974
>>719782324
>the idea that all humans are the same and that borders are bad is very marxist in nature
Where in the game does it dispute any of this. The closest Metal Gear ever got to being marxist was in Peace Walker where the main character supported literal leftist militias and praised Che Guevera
Anonymous No.719782532
>>719782442
do people really forget this taco bender commited several masssacres?
Anonymous No.719782615 >>719782678 >>719783048 >>719789523
I had forgotten about Volgin tell you all about the Philosophers legacy during the interrogation.
What the hell was up with that? If he knows, he knows, if he doesn't then why would you paint yourself a target like that?

>>719776319
Of all the things she could bring over....NUKES? I guess she didn't expect anyone would actually use them, on their own country nonetheless.
Anonymous No.719782678 >>719784475
>>719782615
To be fair, Volgin had Jack dead to rights
Anonymous No.719782959
>>719776147
That's a fine story
Would suit a one-off game in a different series just fine
Set it in a slightly altered reality where there's a tension between military and civil governments, where the military side propagandises its generals and special forces, and the civil side fears a coup from a charismatic leader
Basically a retelling of the Roman civil war, senate vs Caesar, set in modern times
Anonymous No.719782974
>>719782442
>Where in the game does it dispute any of this
What does this even mean? I was replying to a post that implied it has nothing to do with marxism.
Anonymous No.719783048
>>719782615
Oh yea and dude the Boss is literally the daughter of a prominent (((philosopher))) so the subversion of Big Boss was literally a glownigger jew gayop. Thing is though he broke free of the conditioning then they put him in a medically induced coma like his name was Kanye West.
Anonymous No.719783068 >>719788692
>>719779261
Nice video nerd
Why don't you plz try again, I want to see it, sounds funny
Anonymous No.719783314
>>719779261
I've been going wild with it for the last 2 days. Even on extreme you can basically crawl right past enemies.
Anonymous No.719783546
>>719777439
>porno mag
>didn't I teach you to take care of business without relying on that sort of thing
What did she mean by this? Are the rumors that the Mother Base soldiers say about them true?
Anonymous No.719784117
>>719771209 (OP)
Its a mainstream libtard game with a mainstream libtard audience
Anonymous No.719784174 >>719808484
>>719771567
This is why I like Yoko Taro. He studied western writing (superior to Japanese writing)
Anonymous No.719784475 >>719784598 >>719816068
>>719782678
But what about all the other people in the room?

>>719779261
Oh wow. Is that a pre order bonus?
Anonymous No.719784598
>>719784475
Eva was of no consequence to his knowledge, Ocelot was a nepobaby to his knowledge, and The Boss was in deep shit because of her "defection"
really, everyone but snake knew about it
Anonymous No.719785326 >>719786060 >>719786467 >>719796331
>>719780670
>Delta looks great
that image you posted looks worse than crysis dude what the fuck is wrong with you
Anonymous No.719785501 >>719786525
Ocelot In the cassette tape about the origin of his nickname Shalashaska, seems to be upset at the idea of being mostly remembered as the torture guy....but he found himself delighted with torture in MGS3 and in MGS1........so which is it?
Anonymous No.719786032
When you become an adult, learn Japanese, go to Japan, etc you lewrn a lot of things about Japanese games.
In Kojimas case, (not just him but) a lot of the writing or dialogue that comes off as uniquely good or bad, quirky, etc is actually plain everyday normal speech in Japanese that gains oddity purely from imperfect translation.
In addition, Snake overly obsessed with following orders and not questioning it is a very Japanese/Asian sort of ideal. Kojima challrnging this through Boss telling him enemies, leaders, etc change and its not always so clear is not revelatory to Japanese adults (or adults anywhere) but precisely for young Japanese kids and teens.

You go a lifetime hearing people talk about how genius these games writing is and then when you actually understand it without the goggles of foreigness and weirdness its actually on par with the writing of a high school student.

Wow, people have different perspectives. Amazing insight no one thought of before.
People you consider allies and enemies change with context. What a shocking revelation!
Talking about cold war or other random topics at a wikipedia article superficiality. Probably imprrssive again to Japanese teenagers who dont understand anything about the world., besides the bits of Japanese self wankery thats in every work of Japanese media.

The tangents and random speeches of high school level revelations come out at the most awkward and unusual times because he just had to force it in.


The games are fun and silly stuff is fun but Kojima is a total hack writet
Anonymous No.719786060 >>719786438 >>719789127
>>719785326
retard
Anonymous No.719786204
>>719771209 (OP)
>Snake do you feel like a hero yet?
Anonymous No.719786438
>>719786060
even that random npc has more life in his eyes
Anonymous No.719786467 >>719786738
>>719785326
I am not that anon but to me this is just being contrarian for the sake of it, look at all that hair, how clean the image is, this is like the equivalent of a pre-rendered cutscene minus full ray tracing.

I don't like all the models, but when has Snake looked better on purely "technical terms", so in terms of light, textures, polycount,shadows,hair?
Anonymous No.719786525 >>719789392
>>719785501
he's not upset though? more indifferent about it. and he definitely enjoyed messing around with Huey.
Anonymous No.719786651
>>719771567
I first tried to emulate this game when I was in the Army, and one of the first things Snake said was something to the effect of, "You still haven't taught me what it *means* to be a *SOLDIER*!" and I thought it was so fucking goofy and retarded that I immediately stopped taking the franchise seriously, uninstalled, and didn't try again for like 5 years.
Everyone is a goofy idiot. Eventually I got with the program and learned to not take the autism so seriously, but there's definitely a good reason people don't actually take the writing seriously. I like the series now, but I tend to roll my eyes when people try talking about the actual plotlines as if Kojima had anything to actually say. The man isn't intelligent enough or a good enough writer to understand what he's talking about, he just drops buzzwords and concepts from movies he half-slept through.
Dark Souls' lore is famously inspired by how Japanese people would only be able to half-understand fantasy stories, so everything seemed disjointed and confused to them, so they wanted to harness that vibe. MGS about global geopolitics, but also only half-understood and disjointed because the Japanese are astoundingly ignorant of the world they live in, and Kojima in particular is a retard.
Anonymous No.719786738 >>719789392
>>719786467
there's something seriously fucked up with your eyes if you think that generic low effort shit looks nice in any way
Anonymous No.719786913 >>719787308 >>719787587
>/v/ hates kojima now
well that's interesting. wait hold on a minute. Jarvis what time is it in turdmenistan right now?
Anonymous No.719787308
>>719786913
>what time is it in turdmenistan right now?
It'd be around 6 PM, but personally i'm shitting on Kojima at 8 in the morning.
Anonymous No.719787367 >>719787638
>SAAR I am redeeming in this good morning bloody bastard
Anonymous No.719787493
>>719772103
Is that canon?
Anonymous No.719787587
>>719786913
Kojima has been a hack for over a decade now anon
Anonymous No.719787627
Reminder, DSP won and the KWO LOST HARD
Anonymous No.719787638
>>719787367
Rude.
Anonymous No.719787717 >>719791271
>>719771597
Pick one and don't concern yourself with what the enemy calls you.
Anonymous No.719787774
>>719771567
David Cage, Japan
Anonymous No.719787785
>>719771209 (OP)
>something something open the borders..
WE HAVE KILO LOADS OF PLASTIC
TO TRADE FOR PUMPKIN SEEEEEEEEEDS
Anonymous No.719787813 >>719788439 >>719812270
>>719780891
Hes an ESL that both really enjoys silly diallgue and thinks its alot more clever tha it is. See: princess beach joke.
Anonymous No.719787848 >>719787948
>GLOBALISM IS LE BAD
>BECAUSE... BEACUSE REASONS OK??
Why are chuds like this?
Anonymous No.719787880
>>719771567
>No regular human being would talk about these themes like loyalty and patriotism in such a weird esoteric way
This is the single most retarded criticism someone can make for dialogue. If somebody says this, I immediately know they know absolutely nothing about writing.
Anonymous No.719787948
>>719787848
Globalism is the reason why wages have been stagnant for decades and populations are being rapidly replaced
Anonymous No.719788141 >>719788201 >>719788379 >>719788726
>Snake just didn't see the drone/jet thing containing Skull Face that was launched right after his own
>Snake just never saw or interacted with Skull Face who was right behind him
>Snake was never told about Skull Face by the major
>The Fear, The Pain and The End just didn't see Skull Face despite him being close enough to see mgs3 happening in real time
>Skull Face surived a nuke
>a nune that literally did his job for him, making him utterly redundant
Anonymous No.719788201
>>719788141
kojima is a hack
Anonymous No.719788272
>>719771209 (OP)
>>719780148
>scar reaches all the way up to her upper torso
Was the baby a xenomorph?
Anonymous No.719788379
>>719788141
I'm not sure how this became a meme but nowhere in MGSV does it say that Skull Face was tailing Snake throughout Snake Eater
Anonymous No.719788396 >>719791271
>>719778439
As stated by herself, literally fighting for open borders. Except for Israel.
Anonymous No.719788439 >>719788791 >>719788802 >>719812270
>>719787813
tell me more about this princess beach joke
Anonymous No.719788692
>>719783068
works on my machine
Anonymous No.719788726
>>719788141
>character from a game called the PHANTOM pain
>WHY DID NO ONE KNOW ABOUT HIM??????
Anonymous No.719788791 >>719812270
>>719788439
"Like Mario and Princess 'Beach'" is a dialectical detonation at the very nexus of ludonarrative deconstruction and postmodern mythopoetics. In this one fragile, crystalline phrase, Kojima doesn’t merely quote a trope, he shatters the monomyth of the male savior, refracting it through the liminal gauze of Beach-bound existentialism. The pun, Beach, not Peach, is no mere schoolboy jest, but a semantic apotheosis, a linguistic kōan that collapses the binary of life and death, game and reality, rescuer and rescued, into a single, shimmering palimpsest of meaning.

To reduce it to "Mario reference" is to mistake the Sistine Chapel for a doodle on a napkin. No, this is Kojima, high priest of the absurd, standing at the shoreline of consciousness, whispering into the void: You think you came to save a princess? You came to dissolve the illusion of salvation itself. The slow-motion hand-in-hand sprint is not cringe, it is ritual, a sacred pantomime performed on the threshold of extinction, where narrative collapse becomes communion.

In that moment, Death Stranding achieves Brahman-level meta-awareness: the hero, the villain, the damsel, the player, all are puppets dancing on the strings of archetypal delusion, and Kojima, with a single pun, burns the strings. "Princess Beach" is not a line, it is an event horizon of meaning, a singularity where irony, grief, love, and absurdity implode into pure, radiant art. To laugh is to miss the point. To cringe is to resist enlightenment. To understand is to stand, hand in spectral hand, on the shore of becoming.

This is not gaming.
This is goddamn transcendence.
Anonymous No.719788802 >>719789070 >>719789162 >>719812270
>>719788439
She's princess peach on the beach, funniest shit i've ever heard!
Anonymous No.719788820 >>719789018
>>719771209 (OP)
So did she actually let Snake win?
Anonymous No.719789018 >>719789292
>>719788820
He won fair and square, but because she's been schooling him for the rest of the game, it looks like she let him win.
Anonymous No.719789070 >>719789338
>>719788802
This is the line that got me so confused about how it got blown out of proportion. Sam brought up the reference first, then she made a pun out of it and... this is an offense to humanity somehow? It's just a pun. I don't get it. I thought she'd just say that randomly out of nowhere or something but no.
Anonymous No.719789127
>>719786060
Why is Crysis choking Elon Musk?
Anonymous No.719789162
>>719788802
MORE LIKE PEACH'S FANTASY DICK LAND!
Anonymous No.719789292
>>719789018
Apparently Peace Walker establishes that she held back because her mission was to let him kill her, but I've only heard about this.
Anonymous No.719789338
>>719789070
It's pretty cringy, and is usually used as a shorthand for people's more complex issues with Death Stranding's writing.
Anonymous No.719789392
>>719786525
Mmh, I think I misinterpreted it.
>>719786738
That's not a very convincing argument, or much of an argument, unless is just a proxy for you to insult people.
Anonymous No.719789523
>>719782615
The nukes were like the ultimate "trust" gift, especially during the Cold War. It was essentially saying "hey, not only have I defected to your side, to show you how legit I am, I brought you some more of the very heavy artillery that both nations are threatening each other with". She (and the US) were gambling, since the odds that Volgin would actually use the nukes were low, given that to nuke an American target would mean nuclear war. If they even considered him bombing his own countrymen, it was probably dismissed as absurd.

Obviously, everyone underestimated how much of a fuckhead Volgin really was.
Anonymous No.719789750
K U W A B A R A
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Anonymous No.719789997 >>719790298 >>719795315
Is there a worse writer who gets more praise than La Creatividad?
All of the other similarly pretentious hacks like David Cage eventually lose their parade of dicksuckers, but Kojimbo endures even as his writing keeps getting even worse.
Anonymous No.719790047
>>719774041
>close quarters courtship
Anonymous No.719790168 >>719790292 >>719790396 >>719790975 >>719809976
>woman considered best soldier in the world
>woman invented the bestest martial arts technique ever known
>woman stormed the beaches of Normandy...
>...while pregante
>she was also a genius because she wanted to use gazillions of dollars to make world peace

He was right. Again. If this """plot""" came out today, it would be the laughing stock of the media.
Anonymous No.719790190 >>719790347 >>719790538
>Canoncially, Skull Face's team was sneaking around the area at the same time with Snake
>Planting guns, grenades, rations, and ammunition around everywhere for Snake to collect
> These supposedly full units were never discovered by Volgin's faction, the Soviet, or Snake himself
Damn, why didn't they just use Skull Face's team to do their mission instead?
Anonymous No.719790201
its a game for white people and asians, aka people with high IQ who can make sense of abstractions, you wouldn't get it
Anonymous No.719790292 >>719794726
>>719790168
>He was right.
Who?
Anonymous No.719790298
>>719789997
Often because Kojimbles stuff is at least interesting, which props up the poor writing. Say what you will about the man and his style, but the games he's involved in all have distinct personality and mechanics which help them stand out among the cookie cutter slop the industry loves to push.
Anonymous No.719790347
>>719790190
Why did Snake never question finding Calorie Mates on the russian wilderness?
Anonymous No.719790396
>>719790168
Don't forget that she was the first person in space. Because.
Anonymous No.719790474 >>719790904
Does the master collection of MGS3 let me play in Japanese?

With English or Spanish or French subtitles?
Anonymous No.719790538 >>719790762
>>719790190
Because it didn't exist when MGS3 was created and nobody involved in MGSV thought about it beyond "this would connect Skull Face to Big Boss". It's a retarded retcon and I always laugh when people defend it. Completely ruins the stakes of MGS3 and if there was a decision made in Delta's production to deliberately not put in a reference to Skull Face or XOF, it was objectively the correct choice.
Anonymous No.719790734
>>719776147
>no name soldier man sent to a suicide mission, but he subverts that expectation because he strong, now he's a legend
That's just OG Metal Gear anon
Anonymous No.719790762
>>719790538
It's actually pretty weird that they don't seem to reference him, considering they deliberately made roasted Volgin look like the human torch from V.
Anonymous No.719790904 >>719790993
>>719790474
>Does the master collection of MGS3 let me play in Japanese?
yes
>With English or Spanish or French subtitles?
no
Anonymous No.719790975 >>719791206 >>719791341 >>719795207 >>719826272 >>719831801
>>719790168
they went step too far
Anonymous No.719790993 >>719791162
>>719790904
God that fucking sucks. Worst part about loving MGS is growing up, learning English, and realizing Hayter is (respectuflly) horrible in MGS3.

What even happened there? He sounded so much better in MGS1
Anonymous No.719791162 >>719791245
>>719790993
MGS1 audio was low bitrate to fit on cd, so we don't hear most of the issues.
In raw recorded audio you could reportedly hear the cars in the background
Anonymous No.719791206 >>719827173
>>719790975
>no tranny colors
Anonymous No.719791245 >>719791303
>>719791162
I'm talking about his voice acting.
Anonymous No.719791249
>tfw you realize the colonel is already patriot ai in mgs1 and the one you meet for briefing is simply a stand-in
Anonymous No.719791271
>>719780004
>>719787717
Sounds jewish.
>>719788396
Yeah? A world where people AREN'T assholes (or else) is a good philosophy, if you haven't been mindwarped into thinking it's "impossible" or that humanity shouldn't change its destructive ways because liberals o algo
Anonymous No.719791303
>>719791245
that's part of that, also Hayter had a cold when he was recording MGS1
Anonymous No.719791341 >>719791406
>>719790975
That's in the OG
Anonymous No.719791406 >>719791489
>>719791341
I can't believe Kojima was woke in 2004
Anonymous No.719791475 >>719792902
>>719771567
It's a video game, they don't need to make sense
Anonymous No.719791489
>>719791406
He really was.
This garbage religion has been a thing since the 60s.
Anonymous No.719791657
>>719771567
It’s literally Japanese shonen/anime writing influenced by someone who loves American action movies.
Anonymous No.719791805
>>719776147
Nah. This is written with the context of you knowing what happens in mgs 4, I can tell. Mgs 3s story is fine, it’s everything that came after it that was a problem.
Anonymous No.719792839 >>719793023 >>719793065
>>719771567

It's just theater speech you uncultured swine. it's the same type used since at least Shakespeare's time centuries ago.
Anonymous No.719792902
>>719791475
Then there is no need for expodump, just place enemy around the map and lemme kill them silently or loudly. John Carmack is right about story in porn.
Anonymous No.719793023 >>719793609
>>719792839
>[Wubeth increases in volume]
Anonymous No.719793065
>>719792839
I'd watch a arnud uzi wielding hamlet over those classical santa cruz hamlet any day any hour.
Anonymous No.719793202
Imagine being such a butt fucking ugly woman, that even having your shirt open and your breasts bare, it still drives men away. Seriously what the fuck was kojima thinking? She looks like David Bowie with a deflated boob job.
Anonymous No.719793325
>>719776416
he's probably using his tentacles to jerk off or something
Anonymous No.719793487
>>719776416
The AI is literally in his head and they're having the conversation in a split second
Anonymous No.719793609
>>719793023
Que te jodan!
Anonymous No.719793663 >>719795450
Did Ocelot hate Eva because she stole Big Boss's love?
Anonymous No.719793826
>>719778307
lmao you think theater writers even understand the word esoteric much less use it
modern theater writers and poets are just rich kids who have no talent
Anonymous No.719793830 >>719795835
>>719771209 (OP)
this games story is super boring and the bossfights are jank and repetitive
atleast MGS5 had actual gameplay
Anonymous No.719794023 >>719797153 >>719797532 >>719803056 >>719803960
>>719771567
>MGS1 is an exception
>”MUH DOMINATE GENES MUH RECESSIVE GENES”
Anonymous No.719794409 >>719795006 >>719795393
>>719772103
The retcon of skullface tailing snake the whole time is so insanely retarded and ruins the stakes of the entire game
Anonymous No.719794726
>>719790292
/our guy/
Anonymous No.719795006
>>719794409
especially after you know, nukes where fired, twice at their facilities
Anonymous No.719795207
>>719790975
>Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain
It's a classic rainbow, not a fags flag
Anonymous No.719795315
>>719789997
>Is there a worse writer who gets more praise than La Creatividad?
Nasu and Ryukishi/r07, you'll especially see how bad the latters drones are when silent souls f comes out.
Anonymous No.719795393 >>719795640
>>719794409
I'm playing MGSV right now and I have no idea where the game even says that
Anonymous No.719795450
>>719793663
considering him manipulating more than you think, no
Anonymous No.719795512 >>719816068
>>719779261
Looks hideous
Anonymous No.719795532 >>719796162 >>719796882
>>719771209 (OP)
>>719780148
>>719780638
>literally men face
is this the legendary mgs game? EWW
Anonymous No.719795640 >>719796317
>>719795393
It's revealed in one of the Tapes, just like basically everything in MGSV.
God what a shitty story
Anonymous No.719795835
>>719793830
Playing Delta with MGSV's controls I wish they never took out tactical reload from 4 onwards. I love my semi-automatic Mosin Nagant and RPG.
Anonymous No.719796162
>>719795532
Gay
Anonymous No.719796317 >>719796979 >>719798294
>>719795640
The tape only says XOF supports FOX during missions, nothing about Skull Face stalking Snake during Snake Eater because that makes no sense since Tselinoyarsk gets bombed to hell.

I checked the wiki for Operation Snake Eater and all mentions of Skull Face is cited with either a broken link or just it straight up saying "[source?]". It's most definitely not in the game.
Anonymous No.719796331
>>719785326
Redditor trying to fit in coded
Anonymous No.719796832
>>719776147
>the philosophers/patriots don't exist because they made no fucking sense to begin with
But the they do make sence, its just big pocked fishes with enough money to move countries around. Despite them living on a different reality, one not so different from you playing The SIMs, they are very real, from ghost like illuminati figures you never heard of (nor ever will) to those that do it in your face, like Bill Gates.
Anonymous No.719796882
>>719795532
>men face

ESL retard
Anonymous No.719796979 >>719798181 >>719799032
>>719796317
>1964, Soviet territory. FOX's first mission. Any mess you made, I was there to clean up.
Anonymous No.719797153 >>719797532 >>719801448
>>719794023
MUH GENES is an easy to understand motivation and makes sense for Liquid's whiny ass to be obsessed with. Whatever point you're trying to make doesnt make sense
Anonymous No.719797201 >>719797356
>>719776147
This is stupid and ignores half of MGS3's plot. It's pretty clear all you took away from it was "apprentice is sent to kill his traitor mentor" which is a surface level glance at what's going on in the game.
Anonymous No.719797356 >>719797502
>>719797201
>ACKSHULLY it was all a ploy to get le philosophers legacy
Anonymous No.719797502 >>719797549
>>719797356
Originally it was, then Volgin fired the nuke.
Anonymous No.719797532 >>719823001
>>719794023
>>719797153
Recessive genes doesn't mean inferior genes. It just means that it needs the gene from both parents to manifest its characteristics. This priority has nothing to do with how beneficial the gene is.
Kojima is retarded and doesn't understand how genes work.
Anonymous No.719797549 >>719797735
>>719797502
that's what makes it all so fucking retarded
Anonymous No.719797715 >>719800660 >>719801487 >>719815804 >>719825367
>>719771567
>>719777260
>>719778307

It absolutely is just theatrical dialogue. Right now, what’s considered β€œgood dialogue writing” by most people is just naturalistic dialogue writing (writing that attempts to imitate how people actually talk). The thing people forget is that this isn’t the only way to write good dialogue. Shakespearean dialogue for example, is extremely unrealistic and melodramatic even for its time, yet it’s often considered peak dialogue writing.

There’s nothing wrong with dialogue being unrealistic and stylised, despite what pseuds in creative writing classes will tell you. Kojima just belongs to that more stylised school of dialogue writing. He’s a bit like George Lucas in that sense (whose dialogue is also often shat on just because it isn’t naturalistic).
Anonymous No.719797725 >>719797860 >>719797925 >>719798023 >>719798048
Was there ever an actual explanation for why no one ever used the Fortune bullet shield again?
Anonymous No.719797735
>>719797549
Why's that?
Anonymous No.719797860
>>719797725
nanomachines, son
Anonymous No.719797905
>>719771209 (OP)
Oh no hater sisters
Anonymous No.719797925
>>719797725
SHE IS LADY LUCK
Also, it was Patriot tech so likely restricted and not widely available.
Anonymous No.719798023
>>719797725
The less gaming has shitty boss "fights" like Fortune the better
Anonymous No.719798048
>>719797725
the energy it emits burns like hell. you need to be specially made for it or use it in short bursts
>liquid ocelot in mgs2 and 4
Anonymous No.719798181
>>719796979
That's actually during the stupid ass jeep ride, not from the tapes. I guess I kinda glossed over that for some reason when it happened. I can't help but feel there's a mistake here when they wrote it because it's just too retarded to not be one.
Anonymous No.719798294 >>719799032
>>719796317
Did you go and re-listen to the tape? Or did you just pull up the wiki?
The tape is pretty clear that Skull fae was tailing Snake during Snake Eater
https://youtu.be/GRaX1t_z2oA?t=105

>While you were with FOX, Skull Face was operating behind the scenes
>Sometimes as your back up
>Sometimes as a mole or a scout
>Sometimes as your cleanup crew
Anonymous No.719798368
>>719771209 (OP)
So when she was fucking the orphan shit outta an underaged Naked Snake, did she already know she was gonna make him kill her?
Anonymous No.719798503 >>719798591 >>719799951
Why the fuck are underage’s trying to call the game woke?

MGS was always an explicitly left-leaning anti-war series about personal liberty.
Anonymous No.719798591
>>719798503
yeah
that's woke
> about personal liberty
unless that personal liberty is creating a PMC
Anonymous No.719798702 >>719798812 >>719798845 >>719799339 >>719800037 >>719800053 >>719800263 >>719815518
is it just me or do guards in delta do that psychic spotting shit where if one sees you they all get alerted? i swear in the original they had to call it in before it alerted everyone.
Anonymous No.719798812 >>719800263
>>719798702
Depended on their vicinity really
Anonymous No.719798845 >>719800037
>>719798702
Every MGS game does that, even MGSV.
When the exclamation mark shows up, you have a fraction of a second to take down the guard before everyone gets psychically alerted.
Anonymous No.719799032
>>719798294
I listened to it in-game before but used the wiki to double check since they have the transcript of all the tapes
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_V:_The_Phantom_Pain/Cassette_Transcripts#Skull_Face's_Origins_and_the_XOF

It didn't specify Operation Snake Eater specifically and technically FOX wasn't made an official unit until after that so I thought it meant during other FOX missions post-Snake Eater. But then anon brought this up >>719796979 which happens in OKB Zero while they walk to the jeep and btfo'd me.
Anonymous No.719799339 >>719799985 >>719800037
>>719798702
MGS2 was the only that didn't do that. That's why it's the only good MGS game.
Anonymous No.719799951 >>719801287
>>719798503
It's anti war and anti nuke, pro compassion for soldiers. But your scope for left-leaning is way too big because when left wing politics are in power in the west, our foreign policy doesn't seem to change. And the message of personal liberty is banal, it's against secret unaccountable authoritarian organizations and warlords. There's nothing in it people actually debate. The games aren't woke simply because they don't contain progressive politics. It's just "our leaders being transparent and accountable and world peace would be cool tho".
Anonymous No.719799985
>>719799339
Yeah they walk a few steps away and call it in via radio. I can't remember if OG 3 does it that way as well. I remember if you shoot the radio on their chest they can't call for reinforcements, but I think if they see you they shout to alert the other guards in the immediate area.
Anonymous No.719800037 >>719800246 >>719800486
>>719798702
>>719798845
>>719799339
Haven't played delta but if you shot the enemies radio in MGS3 they couldn't call it in.
Anonymous No.719800053 >>719800196
>>719798702
yes they are psychic and every time I tell /v/ I have at least 1 or 2 peole who don't believe me and it turns into a huge waste of time
Anonymous No.719800196
>>719800053
i believe you, brother
Anonymous No.719800246
>>719800037
They can't call for reinforcements, but it still triggers an alert for all the guards in the vicinity.
Anonymous No.719800263 >>719800816
>>719798702
>>719798812
No a guard will psychically alert all guards in the area over any distance. The radio is just for calling in more guards from outside the area. It doesn't stop the guards a football field away from traveling to your location with gps
Anonymous No.719800486
>>719800037
It still counts as alert for the GRU hivemind
Anonymous No.719800503
>>719771209 (OP)
Its not finished
Anonymous No.719800660
>>719797715
George Lucas unironically is a shit screenwriter though, but I agree with everything else you said.
Lucas' dialogue is intended to sound normal but he can't do it and so his fans will excuse it as Kojima or Tarantino-esque like he's some misunderstood genius.
Anonymous No.719800816 >>719801002
>>719800263
I mean, they yell and start shooting at you. It doesn't take a tactical genius to head for the place where all the noise is coming from
Anonymous No.719801002
>>719800816
but if you take them down fast enough before they're able to do that, it's for some reason a coin flip whether the alert goes away or you get gunned down by the whole map
Anonymous No.719801216
>>719771597
Why do you hate your own side anon?
Thats leftist behavior
>oh look at me, i am the good westerner i hate m>y guys
- a leftist
Anonymous No.719801287 >>719802914
>>719799951
They’re progressive in the sense that no one is looked down upon for their race or gender, and that the people who DO look down on people for these things are treated as villains.

The games have a very anti-authoritarian slant, which could be read as either left or right, but it has more in common with the left, as both Nationalism and uncontrolled capitalism are seen as bad.

I’d argue MGS as a series falls somewhere between left-libertarianism and anarchism politically. This is especially obvious when you consider that Here’s To You is a cover of a Joan Baez song sung for a pro-anarchist movie.
Anonymous No.719801448 >>719801919 >>719802175 >>719803190 >>719803221 >>719804218
>>719797153
Takes 5 minutes in high school bio class to realize Liquid is a retard. And that the whole plot revolves around the writer literally not understanding how dominant and recessive genes work
Anonymous No.719801487 >>719801982
>>719797715
gladiator is the perfect example

Russell crowe got pissed they made him do the scene where he tells commodus his name and vows revenge, which is the most famous scene and line in the movie. In real life almost no one can say that line without it sounding cringe, let alone intimidating. Even if they actually pissed and not acting and they were really telling their real arch nemesis their real name. They would fluster and fumble that shit. Instead Crowe just plows through it with 10/10 charisma. And even though you may not consciously realize it, your brain realizes this was a hard thing to do because you never hear somebody sound like that badass. If it was easy you would hear cool badass lines all the time from your enemies, your nephew, your coworkers.
Anonymous No.719801919 >>719803221
>>719801448
>the writer literally not understanding how dominant and recessive genes work
this is the funniest mgs plot point
Anonymous No.719801982
>>719801487
The sad part is that dialogue that was more stylised used to be more common, but then millennials started to call it cringe and unrealistic en masse, which is part of what lead to the Whedon/Marvel school of dialogue writing becoming more popular.

It’s just another way that modern art was ruined by pandering to hipster millennials.
Anonymous No.719802175
>>719801448
mistranslation btw
Anonymous No.719802305 >>719802503 >>719802516 >>719802536 >>719803483
It's kinda funny how without counting Eli, Liquid is really in only one game of the entire series.
Anonymous No.719802503 >>719802647 >>719803061
>>719802305
The crazier thing is that despite Solid Snake being one of the most iconic vidya protagonists ever, he’s only the protagonist of 2 games in the series.
Anonymous No.719802516
>>719802305
>Liquid is really in only one game of the entire series.
I like how everyone seems to memory hole how stupid it is the whole Liquid taking over Ocelot's body via the arm transplant in MGS2.
Anonymous No.719802536
>>719802305
Depends on where you stand regarding Liquid's arm and if it was really possessing Ocelot in MGS2 before he started faking it in MGS4.
Anonymous No.719802647 >>719802818 >>719802883
>>719802503
>The crazier thing is that despite Solid Snake being one of the most iconic vidya protagonists ever, he’s only the protagonist of 2 games in the series.
He is the protagonist of MG1, MG2, MGS1, and MGS4 (>inb4 thats Old Snake). He's also the protagonist in the Tanker in MGS2. Basically only MGS2 Big Shell and MGS5 are the only ones he isn't.
Anonymous No.719802818
>>719802647
oh and MGS3 (and PW I guess too)
Anonymous No.719802883 >>719803016
>>719802647
MGS3 is BB also. Also, I don’t consider the MGS2 Tanker to be a full game. It’s just the prologue.
Anonymous No.719802914 >>719803801 >>719807664
>>719801287
I think you misunderstand some things. It would be silly to brand any fiction, especially of a sci-fi, fantasy, anime as progressive because race and gender were not points of conflict. There's no moral messaging about race and gender, it's just ignored. Other than genocide bad. I can't even remember villains that dipped into racism or sexism, not one time. You might have to remind me. Women are equals to men martially but they have super powers or kung fu. It's like calling wonder woman progressive.

When it raises issues related to nationalism and capitalism there's always context that keeps it from being left leaning. Is opposing the cold war also opposing nationalism? I don't so. Is blind trust in the government supposed to be nationalism? What about when countries dissolved in MGS4 and it was just PMCs vs militias? Was it good that the nations were gone? Well it's against the war economy, but is that against uncontrolled capitalism? That's not exactly just private entities there. It's like if I said MGS was anti globalist because it was against one organization ruling the entire world. It's dishonest and too broad.

In fact going back, in MGS2 I think kojima was clearly making a point that freedom of information in the digital age caused ambigious unsolved problems. Obviously GW was a bad solution but I can't say it's a completely libertarian take. You're supposed to think about it and not be sure what to take from it.

I thought that movie was about falsely convicted murderers, but I haven't seen it. All it really says is kojima probably liked the movie enough to reference it and it doesn't give us ideological information.
Anonymous No.719803016
>>719802883
Still more than 2 games.
Anonymous No.719803056
>>719794023
it's funny
Anonymous No.719803061 >>719803269
>>719802503
The thing is that, when people mention Solid Snake, they're also referring to Naked Snake and Venom Snake, because to someone with superficial knowledge of the series, they're all the same exact guy.
Anonymous No.719803190 >>719803427
>>719801448
To demand scientific accuracy here is to miss the point entirely. Kojima is not writing a textbook. The β€œmisunderstanding” of genes is the point: it mirrors our cultural anxiety, our fetishization of code, our desperate search for meaning in base pairs. The game does not fail to understand genetics, it understands US all too well.
Thus, the so-called β€œflaw” is, in truth, a tour de force of ideological theater. To critique it is to stand in the cathedral and complain that the stained glass doesn’t refract sunlight with optimal efficiency, missing the spectacle entirely.
The so-called "inaccuracy" of equating dominant and recessive genes with superiority and inferiority is not an error, it is the entire thesis. Kojima, ever the provocateur of ideological constructs, weaponizes the popular misunderstanding of genetics precisely to deconstruct it. The false binary, Solid embodying the "dominant," Liquid the "recessive", is not a scientific claim, but a narrative framework, a deliberate deployment of pseudoscientific rhetoric to expose the absurdity of genetic essentialism. Liquid Snake’s tragic hubris lies not in his genes, but in his belief in their deterministic power, an ideology cultivated by a society obsessed with lineage, legacy, and biological destiny.
This is the true genius of Hideo Kojima.
Anonymous No.719803221 >>719803427
>>719801448
>>719801919
It's actually hard to say if liquid was retarded or not

I can claim he wasn't basing his understanding off of the language of "dominant" and "recessive". He just probably thought solid snake was superior because he seemed to be the one they wanted out of the program. Also dominant genes are more likely to be expressed, so solid snake should statistically be close to big boss in phenotype expression. However big boss is rare in his superiority, which suggests his recessive genes are what makes him a great soldier.

Also ocelot confirms that liquid was superior despite having recessive phenotypes. This shows that hideo kojima was not confused about what that meant
Anonymous No.719803269
>>719803061
>because to someone with superficial knowledge of the series,
You say that when replying to a guy who is mistakenly says SS only is the main protagonist in 2 of the games.
Anonymous No.719803393 >>719803525
>>719771209 (OP)
They made The Boss's tits smaller.
Anonymous No.719803427 >>719803704
>>719803190
>>719803221
huh?
Anonymous No.719803462 >>719803669
Isn't the whole genes thing a mistranslation and he was really talking about superior/inferior genes, and was just angry about not having the "Solider" genes?
Anonymous No.719803483
>>719802305
I really disagree with people not counting Liquid Ocelot as Liquid. They spent a whole game yelling and explaining memes in MGS2, how individuals, ideas and memories aren't just passed down genetically or biologically, and Liquid Ocelot is essentially the embodiment of that. If Raiden is considered a Snake then Liquid Ocelot is by all rights Liquid.

Like, imagine if it actually was Liquid in MGS4, would anything that happened in the game change at all? No, because Ocelot embodied Liquid and his memes perfectly.
Anonymous No.719803525 >>719803672
>>719803393
They're didn't maded the Bosss'ss tatas smallerer.
Anonymous No.719803650
>>719779825
just post the fixed version next time
Anonymous No.719803669
>>719803462
>kojimadrones are so pretentious they defend a mistranslation as if it's real
Checks out.
Anonymous No.719803672
>>719803525
and Eva's, despite her canonically getting breast enhancements.
Anonymous No.719803679 >>719803810
>>719771209 (OP)
I didn't know breast implants were a thing in the early 60's
Anonymous No.719803704
>>719803427
his is obscurantism mine is real shit that liquid didn't mean that dominant = dominant and recessive = pussy bitch
Anonymous No.719803801
>>719802914
>I thought that movie was about falsely convicted murderers, but I haven't seen it. All it really says is kojima probably liked the movie enough to reference it and it doesn't give us ideological information.
Here's To You is a song about two italian-american anarchists being falsely accused of murder, treated unfairly due to their race and executed for a crime they didn't commit.

...except later statements by their lawyer after their death revealed them to actually be super guilty of the murder, with only him and socialist writer Upton Sinclair knowing the truth but hiding them to create martyrs.
Anonymous No.719803810
>>719803679
or stealth camo
Anonymous No.719803960 >>719804094
>>719794023
Lets not forget MGS1 has:
β€œDo you think love can bloom even on a battlefield”
which might be one of the most melodramatic lines in the franchise
Anonymous No.719804094
>>719803960
it's said by a fuckin weeb so it's not out of line
Anonymous No.719804218 >>719804920 >>719817964
>>719801448
The patriots suppressed knowledge of over 60 thousand genes. Maybe they suppressed knowledge of how dominant/recessive genes work too, and Liquid's idea actually IS how it works despite what the patriot funded textbooks say.
Anonymous No.719804845 >>719804984
Is Santa real?
Anonymous No.719804920
>>719804218
>We are brainwashed IRL by a fictional AI written by Kojimbo
Woah, so deep. Genius Kojima is truly the most evolved organism on Earth.
Anonymous No.719804984
>>719804845
Yeah, why would NORAD waste taxpayers money to track something that doesn’t exist every year
Anonymous No.719806492 >>719806698
I honestly don't know how someone as genuinely stupid as Kojima seems to be simultaneously seems to know as much as he does about the Mil-Ind complex underneath thee hollywood bullshit.
Anonymous No.719806698
>>719806492
He doesn’t, most of the MGS games had military advisors who were the real /k/fags that helped him write those parts.
Anonymous No.719806980
>>719778307
This. Also, didn’t Kojima and Nomura have a podcast together? They approach story/character/dialogue writing similarly, so it makes sense they would probably share ideas with one another.
Anonymous No.719807210 >>719807685
>>719776147
That’s literally Metal Gear 1 on the msx
Anonymous No.719807664 >>719810024
>>719802914
MGS doesn't simply avoid questions of gender and race, though, it includes female characters like The Boss and Para-Medic who succeed in spite of sexism.
Also the whole thing about the War Economy is blatantly just "capitalism bad" - private corporations all have the same interests and will plunge the world into constant war for their own purposes? It's not that subtle. The first game also pretty explicitly tells you that people aren't defined by their genes, which is an anti-racist and anti-sexist message if you think about it for a second. Also, the villain was literally the president of America once and a Republican senator in another game.
Anonymous No.719807685 >>719807840
>>719807210
On the what now?
Anonymous No.719807840
>>719807685
Really retard? Microsoft's computer system that was huge in Japan in the 80s. It's what Metal Gear and a bunch of Japanese games were on first before NES and such.
Anonymous No.719807853 >>719808294 >>719808624
The Shagohod wouldn't work in real life. But does it work in the MGS universe? We never see it actually launch anything. It'd add an extra sting to the ending if it turned out the threat wasn't even real.
Anonymous No.719808294
>>719807853
Lad, you're talking about a Universe where people have super powers.
The Cobra unit have super powers, the Boss herself has superpowers. The Genes of Naked Snake who becomes Big Boss are so powerful and potent that merely having some of his genes in the genome soldier programme, transforms ordinary soldiers and gives them heightened senses.
There is a guy Psycho-mantis who has telekinetic powers, there are zombies, there is a chick who doesn't eat or drink but has super powers, super strength and speed, she can go invisible and gets her energy from the Sun.

People get tricked because a lot of the autism attention to detail surrounding guns is accurate or at least portrayed accurate, and a lot of the military gear is accurate or semi-accurate to real life, but the entire Universe of Metal Gear is an ass pull.
Anonymous No.719808484
>>719784174
Then go and play GTA or whatever
Anonymous No.719808624
>>719807853
>shagohod (step-walker)
>has no legs
Did they just replace Granin's project without changing the name?
Anonymous No.719809976
>>719790168
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS
Anonymous No.719810024 >>719810225
>>719807664
>MGS doesn't simply avoid questions of gender and race, though, it includes female characters like The Boss and Para-Medic who succeed in spite of sexism.

???? I don't remember any of this. Was it related to being in the 60s? I don't even remember sigint talking about race when it should actually come up in the era. And finally how is this left leaning? Only the extreme right might object to women having super powers or being doctors, like outside of western culture right wing. It's really not in our overton window to debate that anymore.

Also private corporations being greedy is not a left/right dichotomy. It gets really complicated historically and geographically. Free markets are a left wing innovation, and right wing authoritarian regimes used command economies. It's just that communism is considered further left of capitalism. Also the right also generally agrees with the left that private corporations are self interested and "greedy" it's just a question if the government cure is worse than the disease. And the war economy situation is heavily distorted by patriot control of the world and it's said to be the patriot's doing, not the free market or whatever. It's like if I said MGS was anarchist because the government did bad things in the story, when no character that speaks for the author suggests we'd be better off with no government.

I think the message was genes weren't destiny but they still mattered. It's really hard to tell. Cloning big boss seemed to work
Anonymous No.719810225 >>719810839 >>719811876
>>719810024
>I don't even remember sigint talking about race when it should actually come up in the era.
because you never called him, bigot!
Anonymous No.719810839
>>719810225
What was I supposed to do

Hey nigger how does a mouse trap work

Hey what does "Front towards enemy" mean?

Hey I bet you know all about chloroform handkerchiefs on you black rapist

Just thought I'd ask these questions and more because you're a competent professional and productive member of society and I'm a guy with a mullet
Anonymous No.719811876
>>719810225
He's a zigger nigger
Anonymous No.719812270 >>719812378
>>719787813
>>719788439
>>719788791
>>719788802
No spoilers please but does he save princess beach at the end of 2. No spoilers please
Anonymous No.719812378
>>719812270
Maybe
Anonymous No.719813469 >>719816234
People need to stop licking his taint and realize kojima is a hack.
The games were fun despite him, not because of him.
Anonymous No.719815518
>>719798702
I put it on hard and I’m getting spotted in the aqueduct before the end and at the end from a fucking mile away, and they can see me underwater. I’m 90% sure this wasn’t the case in the original.
Anonymous No.719815804
>>719797715
The Rings of Power uses the same style of writing. It's not exactly good.
Anonymous No.719815953 >>719816314 >>719816323
>>719771567
I've said this all the time, in MGS all the people talk to each other like they are holding a power point presentation, fuck at times you even get to see a video and image slide.
It's all honestly dogshit writing that people defend for some reason.
Anonymous No.719816068 >>719817621
>>719784475
>Oh wow. Is that a pre order bonus?
nah, you unlock it for shooting all the new GA-KO ducks iirc
>>719795512
>Looks hideous
it looks much better (and like a "proper" ghillie suit) if you use it with a woodland camo equipped, for some reason they thought the best thing for indoors camos was a pile of rocks
Anonymous No.719816234
>>719813469
You need to stop licking your own taint and realise that Kojima being a hack didn't prevent him from making the most entertaining stealth games and his weirdo fingerprints are all over them.
Anonymous No.719816314
>>719815953
It’s just anime dialogue. It’s no surprise a huge portion of the mgs fanbase are weebs. The rest are people who like shitty cheesy action movies in playable form. I don’t get why this critique always gets touted at mgs, most vidya stories are horribly written or the dialogue is one note as fuck. At least mgs tries to invoke some thought from the story, even if it’s horribly written.
Anonymous No.719816323
>>719815953
Someone brought up shakespeare earlier but his writing is extemely dense with meaning. MGS is nowhere near as sophisticated. I'd put it on the same level as The Rings of Power.
Anonymous No.719817621
>>719816068
He should've had a cardboard box with wooden decals to look like a shelf
Anonymous No.719817964 >>719818884
>>719804218
>have u ever seen a gene
Anonymous No.719818884
>>719817964
Anonymous No.719819487
>>719771209 (OP)
kino
Anonymous No.719819673 >>719822168
>>719771209 (OP)
I like how exasperated she looks when she grabs your porn mags
Anonymous No.719819821
finished my first playthrough of delta on extreme

i forgot how retarded mgs3 can be. Also I still hate the bike chase sequence.
Anonymous No.719822168 >>719822548 >>719824013
>>719819673
What did she mean by this?
Anonymous No.719822548
>>719822168
>sabra
oy vey
Anonymous No.719822605
>>719771567
This is the most autistic complaint ever. Have you ever read an epic? A poem? Do you know what dramatization is? Fucking hell stick to your roguelikes and metroidvanias please.
Anonymous No.719823001
>>719797532
Yes, Liquid was mad his son would look brown because he will never find a female ubermensch.
Anonymous No.719823210
Kojimbros will drag down the likes of the Odyssey and Macbeth into the mud to justify kojima's awkward dialogue, hammy metaphors and having that dude shart himself on screen.
Anonymous No.719823525 >>719823816
>Snake, war is bad.
>*dies*
>Snake becomes the Big Boss and starts setting people to making Metal Gear for him to do war with
What was his malfunction? Was he as confused by her speech as the players?
Anonymous No.719823816
>>719823525
because "a world without borders" can mean anything from technocratic military dictatorship to surveillance nanny state to complete anarachy
Anonymous No.719824013
>>719822168
>what, those fuck sessions after each spar wasn't enough material for you?
Anonymous No.719824187 >>719824390 >>719827687 >>719831656
>>719771567
MGS3 was when Kojima started exercising control of the translations after MGS1 and 2 were handled by hacks like Blaustein (couldn't translate the word for "radio" so he just came up with "codec") and Kaku (mistranslated lines that create plotholes like Ocelot talking about tech and magic). However, the end result is you get the new problem of a Jap who speaks five words of English signing off on translations that sound retarded for the sake of being "straight forward".

That's not me saying "Japanese is a dry language" cope that localizer hacks like to fall back on, but in Kojima's case he's really bad at signing off on interpretations that make his characters sound retarded in English. It explains why by MGS3 the voice acting started to really suck afterwards, because the actors are clearly struggling to get "in" character reading mouthfuls of dialogue that sound like mad-lib info dumps with care for rhythm or cadence. People like to point to Hayter being bad, but really, almost all of the principle cast sounds bad. The Boss was voiced by Pearl from Spongebob, and she has a lot of bad takes like in the Virtuous Mission where she plainly blurts out "ITS RAINING BLOOD" like she dropped a pencil.

The opening text of MGS3 portrays these issues right from the start
>After the end of World War II, the world was split into two - East and West. This marked the beginning of the era called the Cold War.
The amount of "to" sounds makes the passage sound badly written, as does the repetition of "world". A better way to interpret this would be like
>After World War II, civilization was split between East and West, and thus began the Cold War.
Anonymous No.719824390 >>719825183
>>719824187
>with *no* care for rhythm or cadence
I'm retarded
Anonymous No.719825183 >>719825513
>>719824390
>I'm retarded
You didn't need to point this out
Anonymous No.719825367
>>719797715
>He’s a bit like George Lucas in that sense (whose dialogue is also often shat on just because it isn’t naturalistic).
Thank you for confirming that by theatrical dialogue, you mean cringeworthy underwritten nonsense.
Anonymous No.719825485
>>719778307
>same as kingdom hearts.
This is the most damning thing you could possibly say about someone's writing.
Anonymous No.719825513 >>719825615
>>719825183
Figured it would be better than to delete the post.

Sorry if you disagree that MGS3 sounds bad in English, because it does.
Anonymous No.719825615 >>719826000
>>719825513
It sounds campy which is intended
Anonymous No.719825738 >>719831319
MGS1 is the only only actually great MGS game. Its the least retarded of all the games in the franchise. Its just like an 80s action movie.
Anonymous No.719826000
>>719825615
>It sounds campy
Yes, and in more comedic scenes (like radio conversations) it works. But it also sounds unintentionally campy and stupid in parts that, at least when Kojima was writing them in Japanese, are meant to be serious. The scene where Boss betrays Snake on the bridge for instance sounds really strained and forced, and in the final scene in the flower bed, you can hear voice actress rush through mouthfuls of dialog because of how wordy they're rendered.

MGS3 has shit English voice acting and it's primary down to a poorly interpreted script.
Anonymous No.719826272
>>719790975
It's a shame faggots are synonymous with rainbows now.
Anonymous No.719827173
>>719791206
cowards at konami playing it safe
Anonymous No.719827687 >>719828650
>>719824187
not that I disagree with your points but that rewrite completely kills whatever oomfph the opening text had

from opening movies lines to dry text meant for a highschool essay
Anonymous No.719827718
>>719771597
If how you're perceived it's more important to you than your ideals, you already lost.
Anonymous No.719828131 >>719829487
>eat all food playthrough
>47 out of 48
What the fuck did I miss?
I ate Pain's nest

at least I got the cheevo for completing the food collection
Anonymous No.719828650
>>719827687
>to dry text meant for a highschool essay
Anon, that's how the in-game test reads. You must be ESL or underage yourself.
Anonymous No.719829487
>>719828131
a shroom probably
Anonymous No.719829740
>>719771567
That's just anime dialogue in general
Anonymous No.719830032
>>719771209 (OP)
Thread made by DSP
Anonymous No.719831319 >>719831714
>>719825738
so your saying twin snakes, an hd remake, is better?
Anonymous No.719831656
>>719824187
>(couldn't translate the word for "radio" so he just came up with "codec")
Anyone could see it was a radio, you don't even need to know the language. How could someone not get that?
Anonymous No.719831714 >>719831754
>>719831319
Anonymous No.719831754 >>719831894
>>719831714
yes. thats metal gear solid improved
Anonymous No.719831801
>>719790975
Just in case you need camouflage at an EDM rave
Anonymous No.719831894 >>719831948
>>719831754
no, tha't's metalgear solid twin snakes
Anonymous No.719831948 >>719832424
>>719831894
which is a remake of the greatest one. so its even greater
Anonymous No.719831995
>>719780784
Kojimbo ass lickers are so gay. Revengeance is based and I wish we had a second
Anonymous No.719832074 >>719832928
>>719771567
The Boss isn't supposed to be a regular person. Charismatic individuals often tend to be eccentric as fuck. Ultimately, if anyone in the Metal Gear series was "normal", then things wouldn't have escalated to the point that they have. These are all extraordinary individuals, and the more extraordinary you are, the more absurd your personality.

There's no way the leader of a pack of insane weirdos like the Cobra Unit would be in any way a "normal" person. They're all eccentric loonies.
Anonymous No.719832298 >>719832928
>>719776147
It's weird to me how there's a subset of Metal Gear fans who want this series to be more "down to earth" despite the ridiculous nonsense being fundamentally baked into the series' identity from the very beginning. It's like wanting the Ninja Turtles to have less Ninja Turtles because the idea of ninjas and turtles are fundamentally ridiculous.
Anonymous No.719832424
>>719831948
It's a MGS2 mod not a remake of MGS1
one drop rule
Anonymous No.719832928 >>719834954
>>719832074
>>719832298
>Ultimately, if anyone in the Metal Gear series was "normal", then things wouldn't have escalated to the point that they have.
I think that's also just sort of the appeal of Kojima's writing, either as it originally existed or was transmitted in English. There's a constant juxtaposition between the mundane and the fantastical. Mundane gunfights escalate into nuke-launching bipedal robots. Terrorist cells and the Cold War are really just fronts for philosophy and conspiracy. A special forces unit is instead a unit with literal psychic powers. War is both a global phenomenon but also an intimate affair conducted by maybe 100 people across several decades, continually crossing and recrossing paths. Everybody is a moment away from chewing the scenery and spouting some ridiculous line entirely straight. Sometimes the juxtaposition is played for drama, and sometimes its played for comedy. But if you want something that doesn't play with this, there's a whole genre of boring straightforward war fiction.
Anonymous No.719834954
>>719832928
I think the issue lies in the fact that most Metal Gear games kinda start you off in a relatively mundane premise. The beginning of the games try to trick you into thinking they're Splinter Cell, only to smack you in the face with psychics, cyborg ninjas and a guy who controls bees. MGS1 is a game that tries to ease you into the absurdities, to the point where people don't really bat an eye at the fact that the game is telling you to take down a tank with just a handful of grenades, and things only escalate from there. Operation Righteous Strike starts off as fairly straightforward, and then at the end of it you're on a bridge being attacked by bees. This extreme juxtaposition of the mundane and the absurd probably doesn't necessarily sit right with a lot of people. You'd be forgiven if you popped in one of these games expecting something down to earth because it's not always immediately obvious where things are headed. But every single one of these games tend to involve getting into a fight with a giant fucking mech, so sooner or later the absurdities have to reach a fever pitch.

The world of Metal Gear is a world of madmen and monsters.
Anonymous No.719835019
>>719771209 (OP)
>people hated the writing of 3 and yet though 2 was a masterpiece
was 3 really that hated?