Thread 719955682

For me it's
>the constant runbacks
>the constant screen effects that obscure the action
>the constant annoying ebic pausing and slowdown on certain attacks that fucks your timing
>the complete lack of progression or upgrades
>the complete lack of currency despite EVERYTHING being gated behind it
And worst of all:
>every single enemy in the entire game dealing contact damage COMBINED with the fact that they spaz around erratically COMBINED with the fact that your weapon hit range is like two inches COMBINED with the fact that there are tons of tanky flying enemies that you can barely even reach and you have to jusy barely touch them with the tip of your two inch attack and hope they don't ram into you while they're spazzing around

I'm just over it. I love hard games, but this is just annoying bullshit. If you know, you know. If you're still in early act 1 saying it's easy, then just shut the hell up

>>719955682 (OP)
git gud

>>719955746
/thread

>>719955682 (OP)
Oh and you die in like a fraction of a second

You have 5 HP but it might as well be 3 because every relevant boss, enemy, and hazard deals 2 HP.

You don't get a health upgrade until like 10 hours in and even then it's near worthless as you go from dying in 3 hits to.... dying in 3 hits.

Also the i-frames are near non-existent so a big enemy spazzing around on top of you can 100 to 0 you in like half a second

it gets kinda fun when you cheat in the rosary beads tho

>>719955746
>>719955758
i get it.
Some ppl can get "really good" at getting their ass penetrated but that still doesn't make it fun

>>719955682 (OP)
The original was the same but the Hollow Knight had a smaller hitbox.

>>719955682 (OP)
I just beat judge and you are full of shit.

cheat engine infinite money.

>>719955682 (OP)
>literally no weapon upgrades early to mid game
Why don't developers understand challenge is not always fun.

It reminds me in a lot of ways of hotline miami 2 and not for positive reasons

>>719956013
>shit at games
>gay sex out of nowhere

>another hypenormie filtered

Its like you fags have never heard of HK

>>719956097
Don't worry, it gets better.
>upgrade weapon
>bugs that took 3 hits to kill now take 3 hits to kill
I laughed out loud when I noticed that. It speeds up some kills, but goddamn, shit is still a slog at times.

>>719955682 (OP)
A game for everyone is a game for no one.

You're bad at it and that's fine. Own your shitterdom. Silksong is not a hard game, though.

what's good about the game tho?

>>719956259
>Silksong is not a hard game, though.
this, it's just shit

>>719956013
Wrong! Getting your ass penetrated is hella fun

>>719955682 (OP)
Its a side scroller, why do people call this fun?

>>719955746
shaw

I told y'all that Haiku the Robot is a much much better version of Hollow Knight, but y'all laughed at me. well, not like normalfags who like HK care about the genre to begin with, so whatever.

>>719956103
HM2 was far better

>>719955682 (OP)
They will add a baby mode soon.
It should be named Zote mode.

>>719955682 (OP)
Buddy it's a flash game relax you don't have to beat it

>>719955682 (OP)
You don't love hard games.

They should have made an easy mode for women and their impersonators. I just hope they don't nerf things across the board.

Im never gonna play your woke game shills. fuck off and die rich bastards. Shove your bot/shill army back up your ass.

It was not worth the wait. That is all I am going to say.

It. Was. Not. Worth. The. Wait.

>>719956543
>y'all

>>719955682 (OP)
Tell us where you got up to..?

>>719955682 (OP)
It doesn't really seem harder than the original to be honest fomelia

Just that diagonal downwards attack is annoying as hell for those bouncy balls and bouncing on enemies. Not sure what they were smoking when they came up with that.

>>719956762
Just use a keyboard instead of babby's play thing (controller).

>>719956758
I dropoed this garbage at Skull Tyrant. They already got my 20 dollars, I'm not giving them another hour.

>make your character a glass cannon who dies in 3 hits
>give a pitiful attack range
>make basic enemies take 3-12 hits
>make bosses take 200+ hits
Why are they like this?

>>719956818
Videogames are babby's playthings. Don't be fartsniffing elitist over dopamine slop.

>>719956723
you are a retarded subhuman

did everyone in this gayass forum just forget how to play videogames. lmao

>>719955682 (OP)
the devs are troons on troonsky anyway.

>>719956917
And yet you play them..? How very curious!

>>719955746
fpbp

>>719955682 (OP)
You crying only ups my own enjoyment of the game

>>719956925
*y'all need jesus

>>719956652
Name 10 games you've beat harder than Silksong

>>719956908
this was the exact same thing in HK, but because it was the best game ever you weren't allowed to point this out without being called a fucking casual crybaby woman

>>719955682 (OP)
haha you’re shit at video games

>>719956908
Only agree with the attack range complaint. For some reason this tall as fuck bug has the same range as the tiny Knight

>>719956968
And? Do you see me patronizing the way others do so?

>>719957018
Hollow knight was way easier.

>>719957018
You got upgrades way faster in HK. You also could improve your attack range and damage at a good pace. Exploration in Silksong is miserable and the economy is absolute dogshit.

>>719956241
I thought it is very strange, because the bigger mobs from earlier locations like greymoore were dying very fast, but small monster take same amount of hits.
The difference is so much I assumed that this upgrade either don't work on small one or there is hard limit on minimal amount of hits you have to deal to kill

>>719957018
The first game didn't start ramping up in difficulty until at least after the Mantis Lords and even then it slowly lubed you up.

>>719956241
Is it a glitch or are the devs just retarded?

>>719955682 (OP)
>>>the constant runbacks
yeah god damn it the game feels like a chore when you die

>Die on a fight
>Walk back 500 miles back to area
>Get ass raped on the way by bothersome mobs
>Die again, rinse and repeat

sucking cock is easier for the soul btw

>>719957219
>t. filtered shitter

WHERE IS THE LAST PLASMIUM

>>719957157
mantis lord is one of the first bosses, what do you have before him? flase knight? gruz mother? all bosses you encounter before them are just upscaled normal enemies.
I would argue that mantis lords are the first normal boss in original HK

>>719957219
>sucking cock is easier
wdhmbt?

>>719957308
False Knight is the first normal boss, Mantis Lords are in like the third area though and even then the Mantis Lords are not a difficult boss.

Aesthetic is so bad, why would you ever like this game in the first place? They hired a click farm to post here but still.
Look at the OP's image. What the hell?

The fact that there isn't a SINGLE enemy in the game that doesn't deal contact damage just shows the fucking absurdity of it all.

It's just the most bullshit difficulty where it always feels like the deck is stacked against you and the game just wants to make you suffer at all costs.

Vast majority of hard games feel like a harsh mentor who wants what's best for you. Silksong doesn't feel like that at all.

First game was overrated and I have no desire to play this one.

>>719957405
>>719957439
filtered normalcattle

>>719957439
>contact damage
Ender Magnolia got rid of that garbage after Ender Lilies.

>>719957439
>The fact that there isn't a SINGLE enemy in the game that doesn't deal contact damage just shows the fucking absurdity of it all.
There were enemies in the original game that didn't deal contact damage?

>>719957552
>troons troonholia
lmfao

>>719955682 (OP)
Uninstalling the game is the funniest type of ragequit as there is no reason to unless you really need extra space right now

>>719957439
Contact damage has been the norm for platformers since they first began all the way back in 8bit era

>>719957654
>just keep a game in your PC even though you're not going to play it anymore

>>719957746
>change your mind when you calm down
>have to install it again
>drive's life expectancy goes down
uh oh

>>719957886
I WILL NOT CHANGE MY MIND FUCK THIS GAME I AM FUCKING DONE I SAID!!!

>>719955815
I will never play this game
But if you have 5 hp and tics do 2 hp damage, you survive 2 hits, and die at the 3rd
If you have 3hp you survive 1 hit, and die at the second

>>719955682 (OP)
hope this guide helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXt5EWneOGM

>>719955682 (OP)
At least it's not Woke™

>>719955682 (OP)
I decided to install a teleporter cheat mod. Get to boss arena, press hotkey to save position, die to boss, respawn at bench, press hotkey and I'm back at the arena entrance for another try. I did hollow knight the same way. The game is much more enjoyable when you're not wasting half your time walking back to the same place you already got to

>>719958162
lol
lmao even

>IT'S NOT MY FAULT. IT'S THE MECHANICS. I'M NOT BAD AT VIDEOGAMES AT ALL!
Your loss, dude. This is what real vidya fans crave, and team cherry is too small and indie to give a fuck about changing.
Have fun with the next God of War movie game, faggot.

>>719956259
>A game for everyone is a game for no one
that sentiment does not apply to video games.

>>719958540
It applies extra to videogames. Not everyone is as retarded as you. They need a certain level of mechanical engagement, or the entire thing will be incredibly fucking boring.

>>719958520
>too small and indie to give a fuck about changing
See you next week when they nerf everything kek

>>719955682 (OP)
You got memed into playing this because everyone else is playing it, didn't you?

>>719955682 (OP)
Are the dark souls benches still a thing? I hated running back to bosses in the first one.

>>719958874
Yes, and you need to pay to unlock most of them.

>>719955682 (OP)
>>the complete lack of progression or upgrades
Have you tried exploring?

>once again issues with balance and design are met with a swarm of drones telling everyone to git gud
Like clockwork every time. You’d think you guys base your personality on this or something

This boss shouldn't take 900 hits to defeat. Once you learn his patterns he's easy, but the fight drags on for too long

Silksong is basically hard filtering everyone who exclusively used a nail for HK and nothing else.

>>719959106
From Software ruined discussions about any game.

>>719959114
>the fight drags on for too long
that's 100% of the enemies in the game. it's skip souls slop.

>>719955682 (OP)
I'm enjoying it for the most part, but it really does feel worse than the first game.

>>719955682 (OP)
I love seeing fomo plebbitrs getting BTFO.

>reach greymoor
>still no weapon upgrades and the only health increase piece I found is the one I bought

I thought I explored a fair bit already but the secret walls and rooms I found all had fucking rosaries or shards so either 1) I suck 2) they are fucking stingy with the good stuff

>>719959624
Just farm beads, most of the upgrades you get are from shops.

>>719959624
You're close.

>>719955682 (OP)
>the underworks
this is where my patience ran out and the game is officially not fun. traps everywhere, you can't leave, long runbacks, tanky flying enemies that throw projectiles (aka the most reused enemy type in this game) area is dark too. nail upgrades bugged or do nothing. also the treasure is now mostly rosaries and shards. masks? fuck no you ain't getting useful crap like that in this game

Skill issue.

>>719955746
fipybipy

>>719955682 (OP)
Should've played Godhome and beat Pantheon 5. Everyone should've known they'd go balls out on Silksong after that.

I really want to play Silksong, but I can't decide on which device I'm going to play it. I've got a PC with 180fps monitor 1080p and I have a switch 1

>>719959389
Soulslike becoming a genre is one of the worst things to happen to gaming. Any criticism can just be deflected with "well what did you expect." Like, a Soulslike can still be too hard and there is still a difference between challenging and annoying.

>>719955682 (OP)
Truly a masterclass in terrible game design.

>No weapon upgrade
>Until you beat Widow
Suck my cock.
What the fuck were they thinking keeping me from upgrading my weapon until the arse end of act 1 when there are regular fucking enemies needing twelve fucking hits.

Suck my cock.
This isn't difficulty, it's tedium.

>>719960080
I hate beads even more than the retarded difficulty.

>>719955746
fpbp

Is people having trouble with Hunter's March a meme or what? There were a couple pogos I thought were slightly awkward but I thought the area was fun and easy. The Savage Beastfly was hard but that's optional.

>>719960080
>input read
ultimate red flag for a salty nigger who expects enemies to just stand there and take it

>>719960297
yeah it's not about reading inputs, it's about how they impossibly fly matching your speed and if you just zoom at shinespark levels of speed they just lock on you regardless and do their boring shit it's jarring to see.

>>719960360
>HK
>overpowered weapons
?

>>719960360
>Overpowered weapons
Cunt, no early game enemy should need twelve fucking hits like those armored ants.
Actually, I think it's thirteen hits.

Even then, I SHOULD be allowed to find some ore in a secret area and take it to that fat fucking bellnigger and her coalchuckercucker husband and throw my fucking ore at them so they can give me a needle-upgrade.

That Widow fight was kino af.

>>719959981
Please help me

The biggest letdown with Silksong is the new charm system. There's no way they'll ever rework it, so we're stuck with it.

>>719960547
It was till the end when she just starts filling the screen with diagonal bells while running at you.
I am proud to say I just sat on the far right and jumped when she ran at me because the bells don't hit there.

If the boss is gonna be a cunt, I'm gonna cheese them.

>>719960529
Those aren’t early game enemies.

>>719957654
kek

>>719960496
That I understand, it's really annoying how a lot of flying enemies stay out fo your range, but I've noticed now they kinda lock at a certain distance and sway back and forth. Once you realise you're just expected to swing at them when they're swaying forward towards you, suddenly it's a lot easier to get free shots in. Also you should always hit enemy projectiles bakc if you can help it. It isn't like Hollow Knight where you're expected to dodge everything, parrying has become a much more viable option.

>>719958540
You could not be more retarded. Do you work for Ubisoft, by any chance?

>>719955682 (OP)
I haven't played Hollow Knight in years but were the runbacks that bad?
Like when I was trying to do some platforming to get past the worm area I failed one jump 2-3 times and had to go through 3 entire areas each time just to attempt one jump again, and I vaguely remember this happening a few other times when I was in other areas, fail one jump and I'm sent back through 10-20 minutes worth of walking.
I might be missing the travel spots but it feels like there's also very few of them until I got to the bell town and suddenly after that I get one everywhere I look.

Silksong has broken it's peak of 562k to 563k now. Let's see if it can break the 700 or 800k barrier.

>>719955682 (OP)
>the complete lack of progression or upgrades
chat is this real?

>>719960834
If they're in Act 1, they're early game.
>NO BUT-
The only butt I care about is the one you fell out of, shitbaby. I'll fuck another fecalfraternal out of your mum's bum so you can be the inferior caca child.

>>719959106
It's not harder than HK, it's exactly the same. You're just bad.

>>719961047
I want to play it but I can't decide if I should play on my PC or switch 1

>>719961038
>were the runbacks that bad?
No. Only one or two bosses were like that.

>>719960834
You can reach Marching Ant place in 2 hours. That is early game. You aren't mid game until you get your weapon upgrade in Bell town.
Every area after that place has even worse enemies.
Slab has those hooded bugs that rush you. Greymoor has the scissor bugs that are so painful to fight that it took me an hour to get past that area.

>>719956945
They never knew how to

>>719961087
you get a ton of upgrades during the first act but the ones that matter (like nail upgrades) come during act 2. These fags are dropping the game 10% in an whining they arent gods

>>719955815
So what? Every single criticism of this game from you virgins amounts to "I died and that shouldn't be allowed to happen." You're being gatekept.

>>719961047
Unlikely.

The Chinese got burned by an awful translation and they're the main playerbase that would have pushed the ccu high.

>>719961089
The first half of the game is ‚early game‘ to you? That beyond retarded.

>>719955987
>it gets kinda fun when you cheat
bleak
you can tell team cherry got all their feedback from discord trannies who just wanted pantheon on steroids

>>719960591
This, Im surprised the hard core fans enjoy the pigeon holing and lack of build variety.

>>719960252
It's fomo retards who want to play "new thing" and never played HK, so they're reeeing even though this is no more difficult than HK.

>>719961131
You can, sure. But you shouldn’t unless you crave the challenge. And if you’d you wouldn’t bitch about 13 hits to kill an armored ant.

>>719961131
I actually found the scissor bugs easy because I just kept dive bombing them. They might block your first hit but you can usually crack em for two more before they attack, and when they do you're already in the air and out of the way.

The birds can fuck off though.
I swear to Christ I'm ready to push TC out of a plane if they like flying so much.

>>719955682 (OP)
If you cant beat this shit game you will never able to beat noita

Anyone here playing on switch 1? Are the visuals significantly worse compared to PC?

>>719961361
I collapsed two suns in Noita but I'm getting my shit rocked by this game

>>719955987
Ive been thinking this, I need to quit buying on consol.
>>719961235
This

>>719961235
Pantheon is a boss rush, you're talking about world/level/progression design. Play a video game you fucking retard lol.

/v/ has become a bunch of casuals

What I find most entertaining about Silksong whining threads are the retarded pajeets name dropping literally who indieslop games to ride off its coattails

>>719961496
>implying /v/ was ever good at vidya

>>719961220
Bitch, I can get to it from literally the second area in the game.
>OOH BUT THE BOSS OUT THE FRONT IS REALLY HARD TO GATE KEEP YOU
No he's not, and no he didn't, chump.

I'm putting words in your mouth because you're much more engaging when you're not being a gay faggot.

>>719961541
You're like a retard complaining about the cemetary in Dark Souls 1

>>719961496
link your achievements with your boss kills.

>>719961089
You've never played a Metroidvania before. Progression is gated by difficulty, if it's too hard then comeback later.

Everyone calling you a shitter and saying get gud got to Hunter's March from the other side.

There is no world in which you aren't shit at this genre of game.

>>719961586
I don't know what that is but sure, I'll complain about it. I don't play fromslop but I'll complain about shit I didn't play, this is /v/ after all.
The cemetary in DS1 is as shit as you are retarded.

>>719961541
If you beat the boss then you are ready for the area behind him. If you bitch about it I’m gonna guess you are a shitter who cheesed him.

>>719961625
>There is no world in which you aren't shit at this genre of game.
Never said I wasn't shit.
Still should give you a nail upgrade before the midgame though.

>>719958686
the way you get around this is by making a game which allows lower skilled players to progress, for example if you're patient and explore you might get perks that help you. but also making a game which rewards higher skilled gameplay, so people who want more of a challenge can just progress to the next area without the perks and might get rewarded in other ways such as achievements or cosmetics.

Team cherry simply gave the middle finger and decided to pander only to the skilled players.

>>719961447
>poor little spider girl

>>719959114
Use your fucking silk attacks and your traps, that goes for the entire game. If you stop wasting silk on heals and use tools, silk attacks, etc. You end up dealing insane damage and taking down enemies and bosses that take six hits in two. Complaining about the damage you deal in this game is proof of scrubdom and evidence that all you do is stand around healing.

You guys are assholes. I have asked if I should play on PC or switch 1. Meanwhile you are just arguing about if this game is shit or not.

Nobody helps me with this issue. Fuck you

>>719957572
that's what I'm thinking, how many people in this thread played hk1?

>>719961490
you're a retarded gorilla nigger who can't understand the point I'm making.

>>719961757
I can kill the ants, I just don't like how many hits they take.
You know you can skin a cow and still complain about the tedium of skinning a cow, right?

And you know what? The reward I get for killing the ants is some e-kudos.
The reward I get for killing a cow is steak.
Which one fills my belly faster?

>>719961803
Forgive me if I completely disregard the opinions of FOMO retards who are mad cuz bad on the perceived quality of a game no one forced them to buy before reading a review.

>>719961890
PC with controller.
It is a bad game tho.

>>719959106
You niggers don't even play the fucking game. I swear every time you talk about it you lie so heavily it can't even count as exaggeration anymore. You simply just bitch to bitch in the first place.

>>719959114
Did you fags actually have trouble with this boss?
kunais make him quick and easy

>>719959114
>people are complaining about this
im not even that far, im in the deep docks and beat lace but this level of complaining has to be bait

>>719961918
>food analogy
IMAGINE BEING SO FAT AT VIDEO GAMES

>>719955682 (OP)
I beat the game in 1 hour

>>719955682 (OP)
I find it hard to believe you beat hollow knight

>>719961932
Actually I bought it because I liked HK and beat my way through it by bashing my untalented head against the wall until I did it.

>>719961918
i hate americans so fucking much you faggots cannot go a single moment without a food analogy because you are all FAT retards

>>719961890
PC has mods.
Switch 2 has great rumble. Don't know about Switch 1.

>>719961995
All the retards bitching and moaning about damage refuse to use tools or silk attacks and just rely on the needle alone. Extremely soulless way to play.

>>719961704
Then I'll act like you played it and got filtered by the cemetary.
LMAO filtered

>>719960297
>who expects enemies to just stand there and take it
I expect enemies to just stand there and take it because I bought a fucking 2d platformer. Who the hell wants goomba to run away when you try to jump on it?

>>719962047
>rumble
Who plays with that shit on? lmao

>>719962005
No, that was a skinning analogy.
The steak was simply mentioned as a comparison for effort/reward.
Have you ever skinned a cow?
I have. It fucking sucks.

>>719955682 (OP)
Bye-bye tourist!

>>719955682 (OP)
I think their sales pitch was fucking stupid.
>hey guys, even the pirates are saying to not pirate the game! Its that good!
Lmao, sure thing which pirate said this?

>>719962043
>I don't know what an analogy is
This is an American world, and you're speaking my language in it, you faggot.

I'm having a great time, my only issue is linearity. This one feels much more linear than HK did, though admittedly I only just got to the haunted bell city. Even with the likes of a randomizer, I can't see this game having any variety at all on replays as everything is locked behind gates and levers instead of movement, tools, or keys.

This might change later but I am not confident.

>>719962110
As someone who’s played every souls game and completed them: who gives a fuck who got filtered? lol you know what he “missed out” on? Was an entire series who’s whole gameplay revolves around pressing circle then R1, followed by picking up post it notes around the world to piece together a “story”

LMAO

i pirated the game and still feel cheated

I take back what I've said about Beast Crest, it's great for fighting bosses without adds because you can just facetank like a retard. It's also fine for general play through the levels, but it's still awful for bounce platforming because I can't reliably turn around during/after the bounce recoil. After killing Widow I went and did the quest by the crow tower and I was losing my mind trying to climb the balloons.

i don't like that i can't seem to have any fun playing this game. i played through hollow knight last week and start to finish i had fun pretty much the whole time. even the path of pain, as tough as it was, was like a specific challenge that was fun in itself to do. everything here just feels intentionally annoying to le troll the player instead of just being a fun thing to do. idk but this game isn't for me.

>>719961918
Why do you seemingly play games you don’t enjoy? Also
>food analogy

>>719962035
Well congratulations, this game is exactly the same except you can't crutch the nail in this one. You only need to adjust your strategy slightly and you can be as good at this game as my 13yo daughter, who is already at The Last Judge, and has already been docked allowance for swearing at the TV and is still banging her head against the wall.

I swear you niggers are fucking babies.

>>719962152
You ended your post by saying that you get steal as a reward. What the fuck is steak if not food you fat fucking tard

>>719962237
>guys, my metriodvania game plays like a metroidvania game....wtf?

>>719955682 (OP)
>dropped from Overwhelmingly Positive to Very Positive.

Silk bros, I don't feel so good

>>719955682 (OP)
My one gripe is the very slow rosaries acquisition rate, and the harsh punishment of dying, I have lost over 4000 rosaries (combined) to hard platforming sessions

>>719955746
This.

Its becoming evident that most people who bitch about the difficulty of games these days, are third world teens

>>719961949
I have been playing games since the NES. I have over 50,000 hours playing video games.
The game is tedious. Farming 10 beads from 2 8 hit mobs over and over again to be able to afford the area's next travel/bench points is bad design. Losing 20 beads per rosary every time you want to secure beads is bad design. a 5-10 minute runback through enemy infested areas to re attempt a boss fight is bad design.

None of these issues were even present in the original game. The game had comfortable pacing. This plays like the secret areas scavenger hunt in the first game, but without any of the tools from the first game.

>>719956908
Tons of games in the NES and SNES era were like that and you died in 1 or 2 hits. But where still great and fun games.

>>719962314
How the fuck is that an analogy you fucking idiot.
Do you think a menu is making a food analogy because it has food on it?
NOW THAT WAS A FUCKING FOOD ANALOGY YOU NIGGER

>>719962347
nta, but he literally said the opposite

>>719962267
From Software invented video games.

>>719962237
>This one feels much more linear than HK did, though admittedly I only just got to the haunted bell city.

Fun fact, anon. There are three ways to get to the city.

I saw a post yesterday which summed it up well. Silksong is a hate letter to the community.

>>719962538
Team Cherry is just making fun of fans who waited 8 years for Silksong. There's no way they made a bad game accidentally.

>>719962416
IMAGINE BEING AT VIDEOGAMES SO FAT YOU LOOK AND SEE FOOD

>>719962538
thank god for it, gamers need to be abused more. No more coddling and hand holding. We need more video game equivalents to getting hit with a belt.

>>719962609
Yeah all decisions were intentional, the game is a very well polished turd

>>719961302
how is it surprising? HKfags were the ones screeching about how amazing game design it is to have an upgrade that improves your melee range beyond the size of an ant's dick take up every single slot, and cheered on the devs when they nerfed the very few charms that actually were worth equipping into the ground.

Do you guys want to know why Silksong is the way it is?
Because the developers' favorite games are Faxanadu and FUCKING ZELDA 2. They liked Zelda 2 more than the other classic Zelda games.

So when they had free rein to just do the dumbest fucking game possible, you know what they did?
They made the modern day equivalent of an autistic NES 2D game. Zero QoL and all.

If they were given the opportunity they would have made HK way way harder too.

>>719963007
I just wanted another white castle and instead I got more gay boss rush shit.

>>719961907
Why the fuck would I play the old game? New ones out

>>719963247
uhhh based? zelda 2 is kino and its good that one of the biggest indie releases of all time harkens back to the real classics

>>719956908
The devs never playtested their game and genuinely thought that all the autists putting up hitless pantheon runs on youtube were the average player.
Either that or they're trolls.

>>719963247
>Zelda 2
Now I get why Silksong has so many issues, it's made by a bunch of pretentious contrarians.

>>719963247

Maybe I should try Zelda 2

Why is everyone seething? The only thing bad about silksong is the dogshit rewards for optional content.

>>719963408
what I think what happened was the same thing to what happeened during the 80's;
game devs were also usually testers, and they got so good at the games they were making they thought they needed to crank everything up

>>719963634
because the non optional content also has mostly dogshit rewards, that's the problem

>>719963698
>>719963408
It's confirmed that Silksong only had two playtesters + the devs themselves
So yeah

>>719963698
I still have nightmares about Mega Man 1

>>719963698
>>719963774
that tracks pretty well, because I remember back in the day when they were first showing off the Pantheon bosses, one of them did a demo of some of the new ones and he absolutely smoked them all first shot

>>719963774
>two playtesters
Did they pick two speedtrooners?

Isn't the simplest reason for the games difficulty because HK fans have been replaying HK's endgame/pantheons for the last 8 years, so the developers assumed it'd be a natural transition? And anything easier would be met with disappointment, because players had already become accustomed to the DLC's increased difficulty? All I'm seeing are bandwagoners complaining, actual existing HK fans seem to be happy.

>>719955682 (OP)
Nothing you listed there is new. It was all true about the first Hollow Knight. Why are you surprised?

>>719963960
Hotline Miami 1 and 2 did the same thing, and everyone screeched about what a mistake 2 was.

>>719963960
>transition

>>719963909
>being competent at video games makes you a mentally ill tranny
This is the worst cope I've seen so far.

>>719964003
HK didn't throw enemies at you that chunked your health for just touching them right off the fucking bat

>>719963960
>only make a game for the handful of people that actually played nothing but HK for the past 6-8 years
wow, fucking genius move

>>719956908
>>719955682 (OP)
>pitiful attack range
If you know, you know

I just got the first sharpen, how long until I can get something equivalent to the longnail charm? I have the Reaper crest and these attacks have a little more range on them, but I'm wondering if attack length is just going to be crest dependant or what.

>>719964207
They didn't though, it's no harder than the release build of HK.

>>719964298
that's just not true and you know it

>>719955746
I will git gud at other game that is fun.

>>719955682 (OP)
It's so funny realizing that the hate people had for HK on this board was just because they were bad at it. But they also hate Nintendo, which specifically creates the baby games their baby mouths need before they can chew on pure, spiritual gameplay. Absolutely pathetic.

>>719955682 (OP)
>get through underworks
>i come out the same place i was before entering
>gained literally zero permanent upgrades as progress

shit game honestly, TC has earned my eternal hatred with this one

>>719964441
you are one of those HKfags that ruined Metroid threads for years aren't you

>>719964465
>TC has earned my eternal hatred with this one
It's not like they're going to make other games.

>>719964465
Underworks has a silk spell no

>>719955682 (OP)
I've only played it for like 2 hours so far but I've gotta say I don't remember the original being this annoying except maybe the moth cunt at the end of the game. I've already just started avoiding all normal enemies where I never did that in the original.

>>719964692
>avoiding all normal enemies
They're a waste of time anyway, the only way to make money is farming in specific spots.

>>719957013
>zero replies
Shocking

>>719962403
No they weren't you colossal retard. Most enemies die in 1-2 hits and bosses died in under 30 seconds if you knew what you were doing. Games with health bars usually let you take like 5-10+ hits before death

Absolutely loving all the delicious seethe this game is causing. Im not very far (just finished greymoor), but I’m loving it so far. Knowing that bird probably cause some predditor to cry on /v/ brought me so much joy

>>719961907
HK1's moveset didnt have anywhere as much of an issue with contact damage
Something like Last Judge's contact damage is outright anti-fun :
"Oh man im playing the acrobatic hornet, i cant wait to almost exclusively attack with the generic ass side slash instead of doing my faster dps dives and dashes and uppercuts."

of course if someone is enough of a cringelord to main wanderer's crest they wouldnt understand

>>719964360
It is true, you're just coping because the devs Ninja Gaiden'd you on the tutorial boss. I remember the seethe when Black dropped because people couldn't beat the tutorial, but the rest of the game was fair if you did because it forces you to get good at parrying and dodging.

Do the crests deal different damage or is it just moveset change?

>>719964793
>the only way to make money is farming in specific spots.
Bravo Team Cherry. Fucking hacks.

>>719957721
Usually for monsters, not for melee humanoids.

A game focused around a short range melee attack where enemies spaz around dealing contact damage feels cheap as fuck

I had to take a break from trying to do hunter's march so went the other way, worm ways can I make that jump without an item/ability?

>>719965319
Well if some coping nigger said it, it must be true.

>>719955682 (OP)
I didn’t uninstall but I stopped playing for these EXACT reasons. Well done op.

>>719964551
They're supposedly making a classic Zelda like.

It'll probably be ass.

>>719965208
>the tutorial boss is a massive skillcheck for the entire rest of the game
wowzie that sure sounds like its substantially harder then base HK, you fucking retarded waste of time flesh

>>719965492
can't wait for play a NES Zelda where you have to farm 34 enemies to get enough currency to buy a single key
and every enemy takes 14 hits
and you die in 3 hits maximum
and if you die you lose everything

>>719955682 (OP)
The ideal game according to 4chan.

>>719961192
>I am le ebin hardcore gamer!!
You're probably not even halfway through Act 1.

Post 10 games you've beat harder than Silksong

>>719965492
>Zelda like
I was waiting for Mina the Hollower, but it's been poisoned by From Software's influence.

>>719957018
Double damage was rare in HK.

>>719965730
You think a Team Cherry Zelda like is going to be less From influenced than Mina? Really?

>>719955682 (OP)
>reviews already down to 81%
>only 2% away from 'mostly positive'
big nerfs incoming?

>>719965527
Feel free to check the archive for the thousands of seething replies about the first HK all centred around the Mantis Lords which you encounter right after the tutorial area.

In fact, there are just as many seething about the False Knight. You're just shit.

>>719965987
I didn't say or even imply that. I'm sure it would be even worse than Mina.

>>719965996
disable chink reviews as they are worthless

>>719955682 (OP)
Confirmed pavement ape.

Sounds like you're just in too much of a hurry, buddy. Same shit happened with ER with people rushing through the game in some kind of fomo desperation of having to beat it in the first few days. Learn to take breaks and end the day on a high note before you've worn yourself out and you'll have more fun.

>>719955682 (OP)
We used to have a word for this. It was called nintenhard. That was the normal setting in the 80's-90's world

>>719965693
Not him, but all the Ninja Gaiden games, Sekiro, Bloodstained, Mega Man (various), SMB3, just off the top of my head, are harder than Silksong.

>>719966058
Less worthless than the giant amount of day 1 meme positive reviews

>>719965997
oh yeah right and all those bosses did x2 Mask Damage and took a million hits and- HOLD THE PHONE

>>719962403
Only the sadistic ones that became famous for it.

>>719966141
True. You're not supposed to notice the game is bad so soon, you should at least wait a few months.

i need to open 5 bell door
how to open 5 bell door. i think i need bell but i opened like all map and i don't have this bell

though i have 1 location that i havent explored, with jumping dogs, some blighttown. although whole game is blighttown.

>>719965996
I doubt it. Team Cherry already got paid because the normalfags will have spent more than 2 hours by the time they realized the game is not for them. Add that to the fact they thought this was fine for 7 years, and I don't think we're going to see them budge.

>>719963247
>Faxanadu
That's one fucking afwul game.
I see the inspiration I guess.

The only thing I don't like so far is the fights where people join you because it can the fights unpredictable

>>719966201
You are an absolutely fucking retarded poser. No, no the fuck they aren't, not even fucking close. I've cleared many of those games deathless and that's STILL easier than Silksong

NG2 on MNM out of those you listed is the ONLY one

>>719965996
The Chinese translation for the game is horrendous.

Just beat [spoiler[Last Judge[/spoiler], holy shit fuck that nigger goddamnit

>>719966201
Show the exact level of Super Mario Bros. 3 that is harder than Silksong, I could use a laugh.

>>719966391
why are you so angry. Take a break senpai

>>719956908
>only ever use my weakest attack
>what the fuck why does everything take so long to kill?
Try using your silk and your tools. Fixes both your range and damage complaints.

>>719955682 (OP)
Honestly, I wish they didn't nerf the progression so hard. There are basically no builds you can make in act 1 and that's a huge chunk of the game. SS will be far less replayable than HK.

It's like Dark Souls vs Sekiro. The latter is only good for speedrunning.

Yes, HK was too easy and you could facetank everything up to Traitor Lors, but this is not the way.

>>719955682 (OP)
Should've made it so you have 3 masks to start with, each hit takes 1 and you can only heal one at a time. Would've made for a lot less crying. Also, get the charm that saves a lethal hit and the permanent yellow slot for the compass.

>>719966513
>use tools
>tools run out
>die on boss
>respawn with no tools
brilliant 10/10 game design

>>719966540
Hollow Knight was originally supposed to only start you with 3 HP lmao.

>>719966516
was there really any "builds" in HK? Spells where fucking useless against most bosses and if you wanted to increase your range at all it took up every fucking slot

>>719965997
Mantis lords stood out in HK for being a spike in in difficulty but they still will probably take less attempts than some inconsequential stack of shit with two attacks who just bumps into you in Silksong.

>>719966201
The average Mega Man is like a 4, the hardest one (Mega Man Zero) is like a 7. Souls is like 7.5-8.

Silksong is a 9.75

Now fuck off

>>719966665
the fuck, shaman stone was OP af even against Radiance
and you could go full damage + mark of pride
could go full tank with lots of hp or regen
could make a meme minion build and shred NKG while literally only focusing on dodging
etc etc

Silksong has nothing like that

>>719966758
I read this wrong at first, and thought you said "Mega Man 4 is hard" and got really confused lol.
I always thought that was easiest of the classic MM games by a lot.

>>719966391
>SMB3 has two modes
>Mario (baby mode)
>Luigi ("Mom, anon broke the controller" mode)
>the same difference in difficulty between HK and SS
>he claims to have deathless ran SMB3 with Luigi
>he claims to have beaten Ishiin first time
>he claims to have beaten Carpenter and Bloodless first time
>calling others a poser

>worst crest in the game is the most difficult to acquire
bravo aussies

>>719966665
>Spell Build
>Nail Build
>Summon Build
>Meme Tank Build
thats it?
the crests in silksong are more fun desu

>>719955682 (OP)
I love how people keep on buying games purely based on the last game, you people deserve the financial raping. Same shit is gonna happen with gta6, even through you know it's going to be bad cause almost everyone that made 5 is gone.

Nobody can wait for reviews, they just pre-order like money is burning a hole in their pocket.

I've unlocked three crests now. Are they all supposed to be dogshit compared to the default crest?

>>719966914
>Silksong
>pre-order

>>719955746
FPBP

>>719955746
Adino

>>719966807
>dude just to use the slow as shit ranged spells with a massive startup against the bosses that zig zag around like a spastic retard lmao

>>719966382
we live in a society

>>719966758
>Souls is 7.5-8
Lmao Sekiro is the only hard one, average 5/10.

Silksong is a 7 at best and every game ever released on NES is harder, including Disney shovelware like Ducktales.

i'm glad they didn't casualize the game

If you want a good Metroidvania play Monster Sanctuary instead.

>>719966916
>actually thinking you should be able to get stronger with the stuff you find in a Metroidvania
git gud lmao

Really liking the game but the 2nd beastfly boss is just cringe, one of the worse bosses i've ever fought in my life and as im about to kill him the fucker just bugs and dissapears and I'm stuck on his arena. Don't see how shit like this is in a game that took 7 years to make

>>719955682 (OP)
>>the constant runbacks
You mean a Metroidvania?

>>719967126
Okay, what use do any of the crests have over the default? Because I literally see zero reason to use any of them when the default seems to have absolutely zero downsides, whereas all the others have tons of downsides.

>>719966758
Souls is definitely harder than Silksong if you don't powerfarm or summon.

Souls gives you more tools to succeed if stuck though, Silksong gives almost nothing

>>719967159
Nobody tell him

>>719967206
>what use do any of the crests have over the default?
They're in the game just to troll the player.

>>719967206
GIT
GUD

I just wanted the gay bugs back...

>>719966365
i somehow avoided triggering this the whole game so far, idk if it's bugged or something

>>719966758
elden ring is far harder than silksong
silksong is around dark souls 1-3 in difficulty, and not much different to hk

it doesn't come close to shit like consort radahn or malenia

>>719967223
there's a third one? Straight up installing cheat engine if so

>>719955682 (OP)
Did none here play the first game? Most of these issues are literally in HK lmao

>>719967052
you're supposed to spam the up/down spells, not the ranged orb, that one's shit

>>719967296
>Hey, you know your pogo? That thing that's essential for platforming and requires precise timing and positioning?
>What if we made it this retarded ass fuckin Sonic The Hedgehog homing attack bullshit instead, except it doesn't home in and it's hard to tell where the actual attack occurs
>Oops, you fell in the red thorns for the tenth time. Good job retard.

>>719967219
Isn't that artificial difficulty though? Why not just make summons the default and stop making me feel bad for not being able to solo all the bosses, games should cater to my ego.

>>719967339
Might as well install it now lmao

>>719961447
Youre lying
and i replaced both suns and put them where they should be and got the crown

>>719967206
The only absolutely worthless one is the beast crest. All the others are sidegrades. Reaper Crest would be the best one if it didn't cut your swipe range so that you can miss enemies if Hornet happens to swing the wrong direction.

>>719967406
Skill issue

>>719967363
you mean like that "Game and Watch parachute" attack? that shit is even worse

>>719967206
are you trolling, the default has the hardest to use pogo, with Reaper you can completely fuck up your timing and spacing and still ace all the platforming sections first try

>>719966402
That's only English reviews.

>>719956992
Pathetic incel

>>719967060
Name all these supposed harder retro games.

The only shit that's harder is stuff like GnG and Battletoads, but even then those are so much shorter that they are much more surmountable. I genuinely can't think of one retro game harder than Silksong and I've cleared dozens deathless

>>719967474
it's the highest damage in the game retard, trivializes bosses like Radiance

>hey why does this game barely have any upgrades that do anything to make you feel stronger, when progression is a staple to the entire genre?
>GITGUD GITGUD GITGUD GITGUD GITGUDGITGUDGITGUDGITGUDGITGUDGITGUDGITGUDGI
what the fuck is wrong with these people?

>>719967535
English Reviews are at 93% though.

All popular things are inherently bad because most people have bad taste so by definition it must be mostly liked by people who don't like good things
I don't know why people act like they don't know this

>>719967615
>people
They're redditors.

>>719967609
cool so try using that shit on Grimm at all and let me know how it goes

>>719967550
at least battletoads (and the battletoads and double dragon crossover game) didn't feel like they were disrespecting my time when i learned them.

>>719967474
The shriek spell when upgraded with the charm that increases spell damage is the highest dps option you have. The ground pound spell when upgraded has a shit ton of iframes while still dealing very respectable damage. Even the fireball does almost double the damage of a fully upgraded nail.

>>719967681
different bosses need different strats? is this supposed to be an own? lmao

Grimm is easy with a minion build, so you can just focus on dodging and pretend you're playing Cuphead

>>719967550
I'm sure you have, on an emulator using save states, you fucking nigger.

I named one in that post, Ducktales. Ducktales is harder than Silksong.

Ikaruga
Ninja Gaiden
Hell, come forward into the 90s and Tomb Raider 3 for PS1 is also harder than Silksong.

>>719967337
Difference is Elden Ring has short runbacks, cheese strats, summons, and powerfarming. Very few people could beat the bosses without these

>>719957654
It's a symbolic gesture that gives closure. it's saying "no I'm fucking done with this I'm not coming back to it". If it's still on your hard drive it feels like you haven't closed the book

>>719966496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAGAQOPGibw

>>719967808
>Ducktales
Played the remaster on Steam and it was an easy baby game for boomers with no reflexes. Both you and the bosses have 1 attack each kek

>>719967756
The grub charm that turns your first spell into a maggot shotgun is also really good.

I agree. Pretty dogshit design. This is nothing like a Fromsoft game or even any other good "Soulslike" like Nioh. The combat is simply garbage

>>719955746
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO ITS THE GAME'S FAULT, I AM A GOD GAMER ACTUALLY

>>719967615
Difficultly is what gates progress in Metroidvanias, if an area is too hard go in a different direction. People who are playing this properly and not trying to speed run dash are already at the Last Judge and beyond while niggers like you are trying to brute force Hunter's March and failing, then complaining on here.

>>719967795
Grimm is easy with any build because you just need to learn to dodge his attacks

>>719967808
No I cleared them on OG hardware. These games are actually quite easy when you don't rely on the crutch of save states to stunt learning

>the constant runbacks
isn't the what the genre is about

>>719967961
Still harder than Silksong.

>>719968054
NTA but don't be too absolutist about that, I'm still in Act 1 14 hours in and enjoying myself. Some people are only taking so long because they like to take their time and explore (me)

>>719962403
it's less about difficulty and more about how miserable it is when you can cope with the fights, but they drag on forever and massively punish small mistakes. Then it's a test of patience,not skill.

>>719966402
don't they have their own steam client whey are they even allowed to review shit outside of it.

>>719968127
Castlevania has save rooms outside of boss rooms.

>>719968054
>don't go to Hunter's march, the area with the only good permanent upgrades that are actually worth getting
lmao

>the current It Game is a classically challenging 2D action platformer
As someone whose current favorite game of the decade is Shadow of the Ninja Reborn I'm in hog heaven

>>719968153
That's fine, I'm referring to people complaining they can't immediately make it through Hunter's March and get Dash, which is everyone complaining apparently.

Everyone who has progressed got there from the other side.

>>719967857
I've beat Widow and am yet to encounter any boss run longer than 20 seconds aside from Beastfly. What do people mean by long boss runs?

>>719968206
Patience is a skill.

>>719968206
>Then it's a test of patience,not skill.
>Erm, a half marathon? I can already run a lap around the block. This is just the same thing but longer, where's the skill? It's just tedious

>Make shitty swamp area
>Pay for bench
>lol bench broken!~

Thankfully it hasn't happened to me but who the hell greenlit the "lose currency on death" mechanic for this game? I barely have enough beads having only lost 100 beads at most (I'm saving the bead items) so I can only imagine how frustrating the experience must be if you can't reach your cocoon before dying again because everything costs beads. I can see why people are complaining.
P.S. Fuck all these flying enemies; it feels like half the enemies are fliers.

>>719968338
Shitters that don't explore and have no shortcuts to bosses

>>719968206
>it's not le hard it's just le tedious
will always be the biggest fucking cope from shitters

I made it to Greymoor with the flea caravan. Did I just lock myself out of the big bird bossfight with Don Quixote?

>>719968265
Go around, retard. There are more than one way in to the March.

>>719968439
sure and that will only take 3421 beads to unlock all the gates
lord help you if you want to use a few benches as well

>>719968374
Its pretty funny

>>719967948
lmao. rofl even.

>>719967948
anon I beat this level when I was fucking 9

>>719968501
You're just making shit up.

It's not even about the difficulty. it's just because it's so mind blowingly simple. I keep going for that air attack just to be fancy to have fun. but even that gets boring after a dozen hours of no significant upgrades. I just can't muster up the motivation to keep playing knowing there's no massive upgrade that makes the game more fun waiting in the game.

>>719968582
Then why are you struggling with Silksong?

>>719963960
this isn't the Pantheon 4 or 5 hard, nothing in the game that isn't optional will be that hard the bosses are just not free anymore like 90% of the HK bosses were if you just had the right charms

>>719968383
>who the hell greenlit the "lose currency on death" mechanic for this game?
Hidetaka Miyazaki

I was watching some streamers play HK for the first time in preparation for Silksong and complete shitters were just able to face tank most if not all regular bosses. It's so obvious why dev made enemies deal 2 hearts of damage in this and all the shitters are crying out ofcourse

>>719968716
>I'm not shit, it's shit
Top jej

>>719968802
>nooooo how dare people get a chance to learn from a mistake instead of just instantly dying the moment a boss breathes on them

>>719968962
That is a learning experience.

>>719969021
yeah its called learning to play a better game

>>719968356
>Erm, a half marathon? I can already run a lap around the block. This is just the same thing but longer, where's the skill? It's just tedious
unironically yes

>>719968962
The only boss that fucking does this is fourth choir who can smack you for 4 masks in one hit, but his moveset is so ridiculously easy you end up deserving it.

>>719962538
They're literally giving fans what they asked for. Every criticism of the original game was handwaved with the usual fromdronery in the likes of "git gud", and the game became and its perception amongst the community became increasingly more boss-centric and challenge focused as time went on (despite the simplistic combat mechanics not really being able to support engaging bossfights).
Silksong is simply TC continuing to appease these people by giving them moe of what they (seemingly) already liked.

The runback argument is completely fair. You also have shit like the attached image where enemies are placed to no only further waste your time, but to make you take a hit if you want to run past it.

>>719968054
No, difficulty doesn't gate progress in metroidvanias, but abilities. Metroidvanias are not open world games. That's why progress through the game feels so bad, there are barely any "metroidvania-type" abilities that significantly affect your progression. I didn't even get the double jump before I completed the game, used the hookshot for little more than single area. It's dogshit design.

>>719969071
No one forced your FOMO retard monkey brain to buy this game without reading a review. Your opinion isn't valid.

>>719958162
Devs have a bluesky, the travel bug uses they/their pronouns, and everyone is a woman.
Also the weird bug that gives you the hunter journal (that's also a girl) tries to kiss hornet.

>>719967808
>Ducktales
Not even remotely close zoomer shitstain. It's on the easier end for NES games and Silksong is harder than like 99% of retro games. I struggle to think of a single one you couldn't clear in a few days of effort.

>Ikaruga
Why are you naming an arcade shmup and comparing it to an action game? For 1CC? Sure but this is just about beating the game, so 1CC is not a fair comparison at all, unless you do like no death run for Silksong.

Also the fact you name Shitkaruga shows you are a poser who doesn't play the genre and has no clears


>Ninja Gaiden
NG2 on MNM? Yeah, already said that. 2D? Absolutely fucking not. Even deathless clears are easier than Silksong

>Tomb Raider 3
Ok now you're just trolling and sound retarded

>>719958162
>At least it's not Woke™
The cute bara gay blacksmith not even cameoing is actually my biggest peeve.

>>719969176
If you explore, you can skip pretty much every run back except 1.

>>719968962
Dude, you still have plenty of room to try and learn. If a boss is too hard just play defensive, evade attacks until you know them from the tells, and start to work in attacks.
From all the shit I'm reading I can only guess that you lot are way too impatient and can't fathom to try a boss more than two times.

>>719969346
Blue Revolver on Parallel Mode

>>719969213
I don't get why people who play these games think getting that Ace-in-the-Hole upgrade (like Screw Attack, Shinespark, Crissagem, etc) is just terrible game design. For fucks sakes when you are backtracking through the same hallway for the umpteenth time, why does everything still take the same amount of time to die.
Nobody ever complains about going through Norfair for the 3rd-4th time in Super Metroid, because by then you can just Juggernaut your through it to fight Ridley. Why would something like that in HK/SS be so fucking terrible again?

>>719955746
fpbp

>>719966573
Then the problem isn't the damage, it's you not knowing how to avoid attacks.

>>719969472
Adding to this, use the transparency of the pause screen to your advantage if you need to. When the attack wind up starts, you can pause and study the animation so that you know what to look for

>>719969448
Stop saying this. Not every boss has a secret super hidden bench conveniently tucked away next to it.

>>719969621
Just ignore him, he's baiting.

>>719955682 (OP)
/v/ is so bad at games lol. I haven't died a single time in Silksong. Difficultywise I'd give it around 6.75/10. You can clear it easily if you're not a drooling retard.

WHAT THE FUCK I JUST LOADED IN I CAN'T MOVE

>>719969518
I guess they just took umbrage with the idea of a victory lap or something.

>>719969498
>more 1CCs of shmup trash you've never cleared
Get new material

>>719969346
>He doesn't think Tomb Raider 3 is hard
Ok tough guy, we get it

>>719969559
>dude just instantly every single possible fight pattern a boss will have the second you start fighting it
okay man, got it

>>719969448
The death mechanic actually enforces runbacks, though. You're not going to want to explore hoping to find an alternate route when your cocoon is stuck on another path or in the boss room. What you're saying hardly relevant to the point at hand.

>>719967808
>play Contra for 5 minutes
>zomg this is the hardest game EVAR!!!!
>play Souls for 2000 hours and know every aspect of the game inside and out
>lol Souls is so easy, git gud shitter
Why are retards like this?

>>719968802
>filter shitters with the pantheons
>decide to filter shitters with the entire sequel now
I kneel

Can someone remind me where the stupid druid bug who wanted the mossberries is?

I completely forgot and I've checked like 5 different dead ends...

>>719969760
Worst case it takes a few tries, but every single boss has basic tells and patterns. Giant axe ant for example has obvious tells when he's gonna swing straight or jump at you, and exploiting that trivializes the fight.
Every time a game launches with an iota of friction /v/ shits itself and cries it's too hard when Super Metroid is harder than this shit lmao.

>>719969760
>wtf I have to play the game?

>>719959981
PC, also buy a steam deck.

>>719969621
Can you say the ones with the unskippable runbacks that aren't super spoilery? i'm curious to know how many have had ridiculous run backs

>>719969923
>Super Metroid
now you are just full of shit

>>719969716
Wiggle your ass bug. A lot

>>719970037
Ridley alone is harder than every single boss in Silksong, and no that isn't saying Ridley is hard.

>>719969815
I have exactly 2 runs of every souls game, a couple of hundred hours, whereas I have over 9000 hours playing Metroid games and Street Fighter. Funny you mention Contra, I played Contra at release as it actually came out on my birthday.

>>719970104
what the fuck, you can literally sit still and face tank Ridley in Super

>lost banner to 2K NBA
its joever

Anyone have a map of all the Pollips? I really don't wanna scavenger hunt for these fuckers.

>>719970157
That's how easy Silksong is.

>>719958540
Go try and fail to beat Bat to the Heavens pussy and tell me the game should be in any way different that what it is.

>>719968356
a marathon is a personal accomplishment, this is just boring
making the fight go longer makes it more of a challenge but it has diminishing returns, and past a certain point it's just adding tedium

>>719970178
>2K moneyhatting a banner ad is somehow important

>>719970128
>9000 hours playing Metroid games
How the fuck is this even possible? If rather watch paint dry

>>719968416
a boss with a million hit points is tedious
halve the hit points and it's still a challenge, it just doesn't take forever

>>719970368
>and street fighter
I have played every Metroid dozens of times, I sweat Street Fighter.

>>719955746
That's not a valid excuse for bad game design.
kys.

Yippie! Poison Swamps!

>>719968857
>sunk cost fallacy forces me to pretend the game is perfect. I must LOVE the game I MUST be HYPE
>NO FLAWS ALLOWED

>>719970498
>bad game design is when i'm dogshit at video games
I see

On the Last Judge and waiting for a mod that adds a bench right before it because 5 minutes of platforming and fighting enemies just to attempt a tough boss over and over is getting old real fast
Also, can someone explain to me why some hazards and enemies deal 1 damage but can randomly deal 2?

>>719955682 (OP)
i love the game just beat moothwing

>>719970625
An Ad hominem isn't an argument. Next.

>>719970585
they really made 2d dark souls instead of a metroidvania

>>719970631
>Also, can someone explain to me why some hazards and enemies deal 1 damage but can randomly deal 2?
Please excuse Hornet's frail nature she hasn't had her vitamins

>>719970631
Bro literally just run through it and bounce off the knight to the bell above, it takes like 30 seconds at worst

desu my only big issue with the game is the Last Judge runback.
It is the single biggest annoying part of the game. Like even more annoying than any runback in Hollow Knight.
And the worst part this is a runback for a fucking MAJOR REQUIRED boss fight that can kill you in ten seconds flat.

I beat him but it was not a fun time.
If Team Cherry ever patches this game this should be TOP TOP TOP TOP priority.

Because it is the worse shit in the entire game.

>Hallownest had no metallurgy industry
>has an entire train system connecting the entire place together
>Silk City has an industrious metallurgy industry
>travel by bell beast
explain

>>719970608
No, I'm just not a FOMO monkey brain retard and knew what I was buying.

>>719969883
Left and up of the marrows station?

>>719970735
>instruments are bad because i'm bad at them
>cooking is bad because i'm bad at it
>doing my job is bad because i'm bad at it
There's no dipshit fallacy here, give a proper reason on what's "bad game design" or concede that you only think it's bad because you're bad.

This game feels like is desperately wants to be dark souls rather than hollow knight 1

>savage beastfly took me 3 tries
>bro has literally two attacks, one horizontal and one vertical slam
>people cried and shidded and pissed their pants over this
Why is the average person so bad at video games? Also is beast crest good?

>>719970791
>If Team Cherry ever patches this game
Won't happen.

>>719967160
castlevania DS trilogy, SotN and Bloodtained have their save points next to the bosses, no runbacks

>>719955746
ADIDAS

>>719970495
>>719970128
Youre exaggerating. 350 hours at best

>>719970853
The boss is that easy and you still lost 3 times?

>>719970128
No one who has played more than a few hours of Contra would think it's hard

>>719955746
>git gud
>game still isn't fun
what now

The dark souls 2 of the hollow knight franchise lmao

Is it just me or does reaper suck massive balls at anything that isn’t pogoing

>>719970845
Requiring an equip slot to make the map work is bad game design

Tips for the Widow?

>>719970845
Yes an ad Horminem is a logical fallacy you, why ? Because it bypasses the substances of the argument. Have you read OPs point at all? Go ahead and answer without resorting to a fallacy if you can moron.

>>719970984
You should really be able to switch crests on the fly. No idea why you can't

I dropped the first game becasue it was boring
is it actually way easier than silksong?

Waiter! Waiter! More flying enemies! Poison swamps and swinging traps!

>>719971019
I was hyper aggressive in phase 1 and phase 2 pretty patient and spammed poisoned tools at her from afar

>>719970814
I'm going to say it, I hate the bell beast and the fleas because they feel incredibly pandering.
>talk to the bug in what becomes the bell beast station
>"Oh, neat, maybe this game's fast travel system is like a bunch of bugs pulling a carriage or maybe even some sort of wacky pinball machine..."
>get to Bell Beast
>beat it
>it turns into a big 'ol heckin' pupperino! :3
>the fleas are obviously also very heckin' pupperino-coded as well, whereas the caterpillars from the first game were... caterpillars
Call me soulless or whatever, but I don't give a fuck about either of these things because it's just so transparent.

>>719970853
>he lost 3 times
Took me 1 try.

>>719971059
>there’s anons who actually just walk back to the boss during a runback instead of zipping and dashing
Runbacks are much less of a slog when it’s actually really fun to control Hornet’s movement

>>719970843
Probably, I think I didn't check the Marrow because I thought grassy area and went too far right

>>719971059
I almost dropped the first game because it was so slow in the beginning. This one is hard immediately so it hooked me instantly

>>719970940
Shameful, I know.

>>719971195
>random reply
Ignore that, this is a standalone post

>>719971118
I haven't killed a single one of these things because they just keep disappearing into the water when I try to get close. I don't even know if it kills them or not.

>>719970941
I wasn't the one who implied it was hard.

>>719971043
Yeah they're all clear telltales that OP is dogshit at the game
>there's only a few really bad runbacks, and implying the ones later on contradicts his later criticisms
>his fault he has bad eyes
>his fault he has bad eyes
>progression and upgrades come in tools and skills, and your nail gets double damage once you grab oil from the citadel
>currency becomes so ridiculously common once you hit Greymoor, people that make the currency complaint have likely not even sunk an hour into the game
>genuine skill issue + there are sidegrades that increase your nail range + hornet's range is still twice of the knight's range from the previous game + complaining about tanky enemies is another indicator they aren't playing the game properly (ie using skills and tools)
The criticism of the compass being a charm is more valid than all this garbage combined.

did they really have to double contact damage though

>>719971019
Stand still and react to his attacks, and after he throws one out you can run up for a dash attack. Once you get more comfortable with his timings, thread storm will eviscerate his health pool.

>>719971059
Yes.
Hollow Knight was challenging due to being relatively slow and methodical, but it wasn't that hard.
Silksong is hard for the sake of being hard. Like when Fromsoft designed dark souls 2 around the idea of the first game being hard, when dark souls and demons souls were never designed with that philosophy
It honestly really brings silksong down. Every other boss is a gank squad, and the only multi enemy boss fight I've enjoyed fighting like 15 hours in was the drill bug boss, because the two enemies are synchronized in their attacks and it doesn't just feel like a cluster fuck.

After ragequitting the beastfly I kept pushing the main game, just beat the cogwork dancers. Kino, might be my favourite boss in the genre, I don't know how they can be in the same game as the fucking beastfly I really don't get it

>>719971430
beastfly hunt was easy for me. i just used poison spikes and drills.

>>719969472
NTA, and I do this sometimes, but it's less about impatience and more about preferring to play spontaneously.
Stopping to intentionally analyze everything until you see beneath the hood can suck the fun and drama out of it a bit. But mastering a hard fight ends up being a different kind of fun

>>719971430
Almost all the side bosses are annoying dogshit to fight.
The main bosses where they don't just summon a million chumps at you are fun, the problem with this game are the dark souls 2 style side bosses and enemy arenas

>>719971282
The same logic applies to 99% of retro games, which you did imply were hard (harder than Silksong even, LOL)

I hate Hollow Knight because it has floaty feel to it. Is Silksong better in this regard?

>>719955682 (OP)
Yeah it's an objectively bad game, I'm embarrassed that they delayed for almost a decade and this tedious, unfun shit is what we got. It's really, really hard to make me not care about exploration in a fucking Metroidvania game, but Team Cherry did it somehow.
I'm glad I pirated, they don't deserve money.

>>719969815
The iframe roll is a flawed mechanic that makes souls go from hard to easy way too quickly. Once you learn the timing you're just invincible all the time, unlike in Contra

>>719971543
not that beastfly anon, the cancer one

>>719971650
No, it's the same.

>>719971563
Dark Souls 2 doesn't give you dagger spread tools that kill trash in 2-3 uses. You can threefold pin anything that's summoned alongside a boss and continue the fight normally. Thread storm also one shots just about any lower drek ad or nearly every flying basic enemy so it's easy to just run where they're spawning, use storm, and continue the boss fight.
People are really treating this game like HK where they JUST use their needle and complain when they're stonewalled when the game gives you more than enough tools to mitigate and even solve the consantly mentioned problems.

>>719970832
>I knew the game would be boring and tedious, checkmate complainers!

>>719956543
Thank you, you just reminded me that I need to finish that. I'll do that instead of playing this garbage game

>>719971650
there's a lot more control in your movement this time around, the dashing/sprinting is crazy

>>719964120
Found the tranny speedrunner.

>>719955682 (OP)
>the constant runbacks
Oh yeah i hate cancerous shit in games. I consider it to be artificial difficulty. I will always avoid games that waste my time with this. So now I'll know not to touch it.

>Anon points out an obvious flaw in the game
>Team Cherry's cocksuckers: "git gud"
every thread is this

>>719966201
Ninja Gaiden are all easy games.
Mega Man is also easier than Silksong.

>>719970214
Oh okay you're just retarded and/or trolling.

i'm mad about beads. every gripe i have in the game is beads. having to grind to unlock a station is annoying! and there are barely any enemies that give beads near it! i'm mad! mad about beads!

The shills tried to gaslight me into thinking HK was good, but I'm just too old and wise for it.

>Lose to boss so have to run back to it
>Keep losing and get impatient
>Die on the run back, losing all rosaries
>Beat boss
>Greeted with this
This shit is so fucking obnoxious. At least I can unlock the fas- oh wait, that costs rosaries, too!

;_;

That wasn't fucking fair bros

>>719971590
I said a few of them were harder than Silksong and named them, I played most of them at release.

I should be worse at video games than you, I'm in my 40s. Why do I find this game easy and you think it's hard? Because I sweat Street Fighter? Makes no sense, unless there are transferable skills.

Maybe, I'm just right and the people complaining aren't willing to put the work in or have retarded egos which is why they're complaining about not being able to brute force areas they shouldn't be in yet.

>>719968338
Judge
Toad

>>719972041
>anon points out his eyes are bad and self-reports that he only played for like 30 minuts
>"obvious flaws and valid criticism right here"

>>719955746
>September 5
>if you say "get gud", you're a tranny
>September 6
>if you say git gud, you're NOT a tranny and fpbp
What happened? We hated this game and now we like it? Why did we change our mind?

>>719955682 (OP)
still wasting your time spamming silksong threads?
you e33 trannies need to neck yourselves already

>>719972194
>toad
Genuinely fuck Bilewater.

>>719955682 (OP)
My only problem with the game is the title. Why is it named Hollow Knight when there is no Hollow Knight? It should have been named just Silksong.

>>719971876
>>719971876
Okay, let me specify. I hate the "your jump goes up only as long as you hold the jump button", is that present in Silksong?

>>719955682 (OP)
Honestly probably should have released in an early access state. Supergiant had the foresight to do that for Hades 2. It just helps soften the blow from complaints because complaining about something in EA feeling weirdly balanced is just feedback and they'll probably fix it. Complaining about a complete and released game being weirdly brings no solace because there's no guarantee they'll fix anything, and even if they do, it will then breed faggots who say you didn't beat the game if you didn't beat it before they balanced things better.

>>719972340
Yes, it's not a fixed height.

>>719958520
I crave a game that actually makes it fun to explore and find cool shit. This game doesn't do that, so it's a bad game. What is too complicated for you?

>>719971019
Honestly it's all about seeing the threads and their direction. Also remember you can attack the falling bells to reflect them.
Reaper crest obviously helps, with the extra silk generated for more healing.

- Strings are vertical : best time to deal damage, just don't stand below them
- Strings are diagonal : most dangerous attack. Either be sure not to be in the path, or just focus on evading.
- Jump slam and then dash : you can easily pogo both the landing and the charge attack
- Big bells from underground : you can pogo when she does the attack. Always go in the same direction as Widow, climb the wall and wait there for the bells to stop. Or if you mess up you can just jump, hover and dash towards the opposite direction.
- Phase two : it just adds large amounts of vertical threads. Just don't stand in them, great time to attack.
- Phase three : the same but faster. The biggest danger is the dash attack, as she won't do the jump beforehand anymore. Try to focus on Widow and making sure to avoid the dash while avoiding all the bells.

>>719972404
>it will then breed faggots who say you didn't beat the game if you didn't beat it before they balanced things better
Retards keep saying that shit about SotE.

>dogshit gauntlets everywhere that are just cheap enemy spam
>atmosphere and music are worse than in HK
>random contact damage
>spastic flying enemies everywhere
>bosses don't give upgrades
>trinkets have no synergies and are less creative, barely change the gameplay
>when you actually do get upgrades it's anticlimactic
>nonsensical map designs
>dark areas with cheap hidden traps and enemies that you can't see until you get hit
I guess Silksong is just a dumb meme game at this point.

>>719972040
It's not really just a Silksong issue. It's kind of an inherent problem of the metroidvania genre in general. What sets games apart is how well it puts a bandage on said problem. Even with Hollow Knight's and Silksong's fast travel system, you still generally have to traverse massive swathes of environment before getting there.

>>719972540
>Silksong is just a dumb meme game at this point
It's Kaizo Mario.

It’s funny that HK was inspired by Ori, Ori 2 was inspired by HK and Silksong was inspired by Ori 2 (it’s absolutely shit)

>>719972614
>It's not really just a Silksong issue
No, but Silksong certainly amplifies it because even if you want to give up and explore for alternate paths or powerups, you still need to run back to the bass to collect the cocoon, and these games have that "one more" impulse where you'll probably just fight the boss again as you're right there.

Based gooner
Someone make a gif of him slowing rising

>>719972759
why is silksong so shit when ori 2 was so good then?

>>719955682 (OP)
My main complaint thus far is the lack of build variety.
I've got like, seven or eight charms so far - but they aren't really interesting.
They're divided into two categories for some reason, idk.
I miss mix-and-matching charms and fucking around with weird configurations.
> There's plenty of build variety, what about the tools
Eh, there's nothing wrong with the tools, but I've been hardwired to only expend limited resources as a dire last resort - which is short hand for 'I'll basically never use them'.
Its a habit that I can't shake, but the unavoidable cost of that is I simply don't care for the Tools.

My only other complaint is how you can really feel that this game started its existence as a DLC for hollow knight.
The game isn't a metroidvainia - it feels incredibly linear and straightforward.
Sure, you get new methods of traversal as the game progresses - but there aren't many cases where you return to a region to access areas previously inaccessible to you.
Those new modes of traversal are almost exclusively used for progressing into new areas.
You unlock shortcuts here and there, but I don't really have a reason to use them.
Aside from the fact that they aren't all that convenience, there are simply no unexplored spaces on my map to motivate me to go back.

>reddit is complaining about the difficulty
>the odd faggots here complaining about it
makes sense

>>719972991
>reddit is complaining about the difficulty
lol no, they're praising it

>>719972614
Not just a Metroidvania specific issue. Dark Souls pulls the same shit in making you run across the map to get back to the boss fight. I just don't think there's any real difficulty in having to run across a large portion of a map after you've figured out what the curve ball of the fight is. It's not hard and it doesn't make the game hard. It makes the game tedious and only tedious. And I'm sure some video game essayist will claim it's genius design, but i simply disagree and think it sucks.

>>719955682 (OP)
This game is gonna filter the fuck out of people that got it because of Hollow knight's cute, but melancholy art style, characters and music. It feels like they fell for the DS2 difficulty meme and made this game way harder than it needed to be. I'm getting pissed at it myself, but I'm stubborn and autistic. The kind of autist that sits and fights mantis lords with the base nail. My sister could barely roll credits on HK, so this might break her.

>>719973073
>reddit is better at games than /v/
grim

>>719970860
It's amazing how much better than Silkshit all of those games are

>>719972229
/v/ isn't a monolith, but also Silksong wasn't hated, trannies were false flagging and trying to claim it as a woke game

>game is only 17 hours long
lol

>>719973581
For most anons in this thread it appears to be forever long

It really feels like they just said fuck it and decided to release an unfinished game.
Even Salt and Sanctuary felt more like a metroidvania.

>>719962403
Most NES platformers were rocket tag games. You either blitzed the boss or died yourself.
Silksong is like being an actual hornet trying to kill a grown man.

>>719974082
>unfinished
I wish. That would mean the game will eventually be good, but this is the finished product.