Thread 719970667

>Single handedly cause people not to buy games
Holy based

Only turn HDR on when you game.

>>719970713
Why is HDR support still so bad?

>>719970713
not him but it's tedious to switch every time, so nah

>>719970667 (OP)
Just price it for $20? That's the glory of capitalism and being independent but this faggot probably just wants something to cry about.

>>719970667 (OP)
based Nintendo thinking of the poor devs by keeping their games expensive.

>>719614206
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719606352/#719614206
Hey fucker, told you so.

Nobody cares, and nobody should care. Games are a luxury, not a necessity.
We are in an era of dissolution and upheaval again.
Scarcity is progressing and class divide is increasing.
In the midst of Humanity as a whole having less and less money to spend now, at the same time, you have an oversaturation of entertainment and video games.
Meaning you not only have people with less to spend; those same people are immune to spending bait. Oversaturation gives birth to immunity towards being gaslit, manipulated, exploited, hyped, advertised, marketed, treated like a product yourself, by corporations and indie creators alike.
That means the control is in the hands of the consumers, no longer is it in the hands of creators. Theory of self-interest 101: If you have a society unwilling to waste resources, and if that society has ample replacement for your shit produce, more replacement than there is lifespan to invest in it, your only remaining strategy in this new era is no longer to whine your entitlement to people's money, it's to figure out how to suck their cock. You will suck gamers' cocks to monopolise that little grain of attention span and pity they are willing to give needlessly, or perish in irrelevance. This is the simple objective, scientific, mathematical, quantified fact of life now - as pertains to luxury industries such as entertainment and within entertainment the small subdivision of gaming. We ain't even tackled books, comics, movies, real life hobbies, etc. as time and attention span monopolies stealing your customerbase themselves, also oversaturated EACH beyond a lifespan's reach to go through it all. So, get to sucking bitch.

>>719970667 (OP)
poor little kid bastiartgames hasn't learned some harsh life on earth lessons yet.

>>719970667 (OP)
>what should I price it at now?
Considering their game was paid through KICKSTARTER and was successfully KICKSTARTED, they should price it at whatever they told everyone it was going to be when they began selling it on KICKSTARTER.
>I can't afford to give it away for free
They already sold their game on KICKSTARTER, though.

>>719970667 (OP)
nigga just make it $20.
Silkshlong is like 14h anyway.

>Make fun game
>Give it a fair price and discount launch
>???
>Profit
Wow so hard.

Just price your game also at 20 I dont get it

>>719970667 (OP)
I only pay 10 bucks or less for ANY game in current year. What the fuck are these nutters smoking?

>>719971615
Fair price X units sold < cost it make to develop. That's the opposite of profit.

shouldn't have made another metroidvania bro

Indie devs seem to have given birth to a hyperinflated entitlement and overbloated egos akin to AAA shits.
Or at least journos who are buttmad about being paid worse than burger flippers and being given mass layoffs are trying to project. Or maybe it's a dance of both scenarios at the same time.
All in all, my sides are in orbit.

>>719971924
Budget is a meme, there's no universe where your game that you've been working on and off for 10 years is an actual budget.

Movies have budgets

Music productions have budgets.

Even shitty AAA games have budget (even if they spend it all on some shitty HR department)

Your indie game that you work on the side isn't a proper budget.

This reminds me of back when whenever a famous band released an album for free all the talentless loser hacks would come out and complain about how they're "devaluing art" by doing that and should adhere to the recommended retail price model that the music industry agreed upon.

>>719970667 (OP)
When are we finally going to ban twitter threads?

>>719972163
Right after when reddit threads are banned. So never

>>719970667 (OP)
this shit is all just so worthless who gives a fuck about this dumb Californian karen's takes

>>719970667 (OP)
silksong is kind of crap so I'm glad I only wasted $20 on it.

>>719970667 (OP)
>>719970713
Huh? It shouldnt raise brightness of non hdr content. Is this a poor thing?

>>719970667 (OP)
You could charge $100 dollars for a game and the actual game devs won't see a penny more of that money. What is happening is the distortion of worth for the shareholders, something that is tacitly forbidden wrongthink.

>>719970667 (OP)
Undercutting gigachads.

>>719970713
Is that why this screenshot looks so retarded?

>>719970667 (OP)
>small Metroidvania
>20 USD
Indie devs have this weird thing where they price things obscenely high with no merit or thought behind the price point. Self publishing and having to ask twitter or cry on twitter about how to actually sell your game just goes to show your ego is inflated as hell for no reason. Clearly there's not a lot of people waiting for the game knowing it'll cost 20 USD or the existence of another game wouldn't get you confused.

>>719970667 (OP)
We live in a capitalist society. Other people working in your domain and selling products similar to yours aren't your friends, they're your competitors. If a competitor manages to produce products for cheaper, make them of higher quality than yours and in turn is able to sell them cheaper than you can to a larger consumer market, well, though luck. They don't owe you anything.

Either do better than them, find yourself a unique niche or appeal to stand out, or be content playing second fiddle.

>>719970667 (OP)
20 bucks for a one man project is pretty steep. Should be 7.99-9.99

>>719970667 (OP)
Just start pricing games at $20. Simple as.
No modern indie or triple A game is worth more than that.

>>719970667 (OP)
I thought cartels are a bad thing. Why do indie devs suddenly support forming them?

>>719970713
I never seem to have this problem when I use the Snipping Tool. It forces SDR for screenshots.

>>719970713
>>719970802
>>719970875
>>719972475
>>719972760
>>719973196
Nvidia Driver Fuckup.
Doesn't happen on Intel GPU or AMD GPU.

>>719970667 (OP)
>wahh wahh someone beat me to the punch of generic side-scroller game #4924281! i'll be poor forever! fucking nazis! reeeeeeeeeeee!

Just delay the release or make sure the game is as good as what these guys have done. If you can't compete, that's your own fault. There's no excuse for competition in capitalism. You sink or swim, learn to play.

>>719973229
Aha.
Mine likes to fuck up in much more annoying ways. Sometimes media playback in my web browser will have its colors blown the fuck out whenever I have HDR on. PrtScreen does it sometimes, but not always.

>>719970667 (OP)
>it was made by only one guy
>who had limited dev time
Yeah, should totally charge $80 for his piece of shit and everybody should be forced to buy it. That idiot clearly deserves to retire off of his half-assed pile of shit.

If you can't sell your game at full price, then the product wasn't wanted in the first place.

If retards like Randy Pitchford can literally be a cunt about higher prices and still top pre-order charts, you have no one to blame but yourself lmao

>>719970667 (OP)
make a higher quality game.
SS has shitty flash art, is made in unity with visual scripting instead of real code and the main character doesn't even have shading.
it should be less than $20.

>>719970667 (OP)
>$20 for an indie game
You know, game devs used to be the smartest programmers out there because how complicated game development used to be, now every sub 90-iq is making a game.

Modern culture is becoming increasingly more bizarre and consumerist.
This nigga actually wants to pay more for a game?

>>719970667 (OP)
When will these faggots understand that labor does not equal value? Just because you flailed around like an incompetent retard for a long amount of time doesn't mean you get paid a lot.

>>719973837
No, he wants us to pay more for his game. He's angry about having competition because he knows he can't compete.

>>719973971
nigga, the majority of Steam users are third-worlders. $20 is already too much for them for AAA games. SS costs $10 in India / china, btw.

Did these people forget they are in a competitive industry? Its not for fun. They are competiting with each other for money. They are not friends.

>>719972197
can you send charge requests on Paypal
If I was notch, I'd have unironically sent that tranny a $20 charge request

>>719974095
This is something that many don't understand about all of this internet content. It is so flooded because thirdies live like kings off of the money. The only thing they have trouble affording is maybe the technology they have to import. But otherwise they get a great house and can live off the money with minimal work. If they are a smart thirdie they could probably even invest some and get even more western money and live even higher.

>>719973412
None of that matters in the slightest.

>>719972197
>spirals out of control in the span of 5 minutes
impressive

>>719970667 (OP)
guess you can only buy one game ever

>>719974097
of course not
if the roles were switched they'd defend that shit

I've found that the older I get the less games I bother to buy. For example in the 360/PS3 gen I would buy almost every big noteworthy game that came out but now I'd say for the last maybe decade or so I've only bought a couple of games a year.

Last year the only games I bought were FF7 Rebirth and Silent Hill 2 Remake.

This year all I've bought is KCD2 and I subbed to a month of gamepass to play the Oblivion Remaster and Expedition 33.

In 2023 the only games I bought were RE4 Remake, Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor, Zelda TOTK and BG3.

In 2022 the only games I bought were Elden Ring and Midnight Suns

In 2021 the only games I bought were RE Village, Guardians of the Galaxy and Metroid Dread

In 2020 the only games I bought were FF7 Remake, RE3 Remake, Streets of Rage 4, Animal Crossing and Ghost of Tsushima.

So I'm only really buying a couple of games a year.

>>719972197
I plan to use Unity for my first few games but totally agree with what Notch says. There are plenty of libraries available and coding really isn't hard once you recognize it. You can easily make something to suit your needs, there are many tutorials online too (you can even have Chatgpt handhold you through everything now). All of these faggots jeet out with their shitty open source garbage and then complain that it means they get nowhere. It is like someone who uses a shitty public bridge, claims to be a genius for crossing the river, and then complains about the bad place the bridge drops them.

At some point these fags decided people want to buy their deck builder rogue lites for $30
The dumb fucks making indie games nowadays are so far removed from the age of free flash games. The idea of giving something away for free, or for a legitimately fair price is completely alien to them. I remember playing An Untitled Story back in the day, which was a free game, and a fun as fuck metroidvania. That would never happen now

>>719972850
I now begin to understand people crying about how capitalism is bad

>>719975014
They don't want to have to innovate or try. They want a world where everyone is forced to be shit and the same.

When Gust charged $70 for a garbage low budget feeling "AA" JRPG and Nintendo is charging $80 for the latest Mario Kart, $20 for a 14 hour indie game doesn't sound all that unreasonable.

>>719976104
I feel like any developer should try to ensure that at least the gameplay hours is equal to or higher than the price.

>>719976558
No thanks, I don't want my 10 hours of fun diluted by 60 hours of filler slop/collectibles shit. Playing Bayonetta's 7-ish hours at 50 is way way preferable than playing Assassin's Creed's 50 hours of copypasted content at 7

>>719970667 (OP)
>Team Cherry making indie slop devs seethe about the price
Absolutely based. If they put more effort into their indie slop then they wouldn't have to worry about the price.

>>719970667 (OP)
>10 hour game
>looks like shit
>plays like shit
>steals mechanics and does them worse
idk maybe $5 is more reasonable

>>719970667 (OP)
>attribute powers to whatever faggot contrarian of the month
lmao imagine giving yourself a mental illness like this

>>719971110
>Oversaturation gives birth to immunity
This has never happened in the history of anything

>>719975007
Because the cost of living has increased substantially from the flash game days

>>719970667 (OP)
>Distort game's worth
Silksong isn't worth more than 20$, nor does that idiot's 10-15 hours metroidvania.
The problem is that developers feel like they're entitled to someone else's money just because they spent a lot of time making a game, like nigga, I can throw out literal FOSS games that cost zero dollars and zero cents that are more fun than the yearly CoD and BF games that cost 80 euros.

>>719972197
>notch
>using paint.net
alright maybe he is based

>>719970875
How is pressing Window key + Alt + B tedious? That turns HDR on and off

>>719974851
you buy some dogshit games ngl

>>719972197
Maybe not this aggressively leaning on being a victim, but the business world is pretty much this all the time.

>>719970667 (OP)

WOWOWOW THE CONCEPTS OF MORE SALES SCALING TO MORE DOLLARS IS SO COMPLICATED WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

god i fucking hate how dumb everything is now

>>719970667 (OP)
Meanwhile Terraria is out here with literally thousands of hours of gameplay for $10 and no one bats an eye.

>>719972498
Yep. Other indie companies are bought out, meaning they have to obey the whims of shareholders. Team cherry is a couple dudes. All profits go to them.

>>719979828
Fuck I forgot picrel. Post ruined.
>Captcha: JANKR

This is just BG3 all over again

>>719970667 (OP)
I can but don't want to believe people are getting this mad at a low price tag.

>>719978829
>I can throw out literal FOSS games that cost zero dollars and zero cents that are more fun than the yearly CoD and BF games that cost 80 euros
I dare you to do it. Crash this industry, no survivors. We are overdue for a hard reset.

>>719971453
Is it really?

>NO TEAM CHERRY YOU CAN'T CHARGE A FAIR PRICE FOR YOUR INDIE GAME MADE BY THREE PEOPLE
>AAAAAA MY STUDIO OF THIRTY PEOPLE (Three people are working on the game in actuality) NEEDS TO CHARGE $60 FOR THIS THREE HOUR LONG WALKING SIMULATOR ABOUT HOW AFRAID I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TO POOP IN PUBLIC BATHROOMS AAAAA

>70 dollars for a game?! What a ripoff
>I can't wait for my 40 dollar door dash meal to get here
Gamers in 2025

>>719979964
Basically all arena shooter games based on the QUBE2 engine are 100% sure more fun than BF and CoD, the problem is that no one knows about them.
I remember playing sauerbraten in my programming class with other classmates, we had much more fun than prior years when we played counter strike, specially since the one hosting the matches was a 5000 hours no lifer.

they're right though, gamers are essentially entitled infants and if you give them an inch they will expect a mile

>>719980171
It's such a simple solution too. 14 easy 5 dollar Klarna payments

>>719970786
All arguments of principle are arguments for interest. When you understand this, a lot of seeming hypocrisy disappears.

>want to make a game to make money
>i could go into a less saturated market
>nah fuck that, i have no originality lets make yet another metroidvania
>surprise its not succesful
how could this happen!!!!!

>>719979915
Isn't this just a way of admitting that other devs are too incompetent or the industry is too dysfunctional to produce quality? The AAA industry, in a operational sense, has no excuse for being unable to make a BG3. If they have created a system where making another BG3 is impossible, then they've made a shit system

Why is /v/ so obsessed with random twitter posts from literally whos?

>>719970667 (OP)
I don't make the rules

>>719970667 (OP)
>infuriating to your colleagues
>the colleagues are getting a solid split of their millions of dollars of profit
no, their colleagues definitely dont give a shit about someone else whining about the price.

Now.
Post the games that 2 on OP pics made and their prices.

>>719973412
Soul vs soulless

>"distort gamer's sense of worth."
Lol, lmao. "They're catching on!"

>AAA game announced at 80$
>backlash
>indie drops at 20$
>backlash
tf is this timeline

>>719982120
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2463220/Lone_Fungus_Melody_of_Spores/

The guy still hasn't put a price on it

The rose guy works at Riot Games

>>719982426
>Dogshit looking game and a guy who works at a company who only does F2P shit

okay

>>719978054
well it's happening now so suck a cock, anon

Make your game $15. There. Why was that so hard?

>>719970667 (OP)
>"colleagues"
LOL, you're in competition with each other for customer's money.
That's like saying Nvidia is colleagues with AMD. Or Samsung is colleagues with Apple in the smartphone market.

>>719970667 (OP)
>twatter screencap
kill yourself

>>719981890
>Why is /v/ so gay?

>>719970667 (OP)
>OY VEYYYY YOU'RE MAKING IT HARDER FOR US TO RIP GAMERS OFF

>>719970667 (OP)
How about they make a good game, huh? Anyone ever stop to think that what they're making might actually be garbage? I wouldn't buy slop even if it cost me nothing. Problem isn't the price tag, problem is delusional "devs" making their "dream game" literally no one else in the world cares about

>>719970667 (OP)
just wait a few months and then put it up for sale?
what's the problem?

>>719983101
the guy's game doesn't even come out until Q4
>>719982426

>I WASTED 2 YEARS OF MY LIFE "CODING" THIS GENERIC INDIE GAME IN UNITY AND NOBODY BOUGHT IT FOR $40!!! THIS IS BASICALLY THE HOLOCAUST!!!
maybe more people would try it out and buy it on impulse if it was priced less than $10 or so???

>>719974851
Dude that isn't an age thing, all the games you have been buying are overpriced and low effort. i mean hell, TotK? if it wasn't labeled "Zelda" people would view it the same way as Saints Row 4

>>719970667 (OP)
the worst conspiracy is when people get together to make up something to bitch about that makes no fucking sense. i swear you people do it on purpose

>>719971042
Tranny

>>719970667 (OP)
>noooooo, we must have eternal and exponential growth!! we must extract more value!! Nooo, it doesn't matter that people are in colossal recession!!! The prices. Must. Not. Go. Down!!!
I hate capitalists so fucking much it's unreal.

>>719972760
yes

>>719982610
Yeah, in like a dream you had.

>>719983371
>In the end, all that matters to me... is me.
>And all that matters to you, is you.
>It is the nature of things.

>>719971110

The Four Based TRVTHs:
1. Gaming has fallen.
2. Your attachment to this fallen state of gaming is the cause of your suffering.
3. You can ease this suffering by severing your attachment.
4. The Eightfold Path will show you how to achieve this.

The Eightfold Path:
- If it has gays I won't buy it.
- If it has trannies I won't buy it.
- If it has blacks I won't buy it.
- If it has ugly women I won't buy it.
- If it has pronoun selection I won't buy it.
- If it has leftist propaganda I won't buy it.
- If it has lootboxes I won't buy it.
- If it has poor optimization I won't buy it.

So says the Chuddha.

OHHHHHMMMMMMMMM

>>719983483
>aggressive cock sucking noises
uh huh yeah sure you just keep at it lil buddy

>>719982426
Of course it's a fucking Riot employee, company most notorious for consistently fucking their customers over, trying to bully Team Cherry over this
Why wouldn't it be

>>719971453
14 hours is a pretty long game. infinte time grind aaa, gacha, and slog jrpgs really killed everyones understanding of how long games are.
i just played though castlevania 4 which was full priced when it released and that shit is like an hour and a half if you played it before
like 40 mins if you're really good.
paper mario ttyd was at one point consider and average size jrpg but now its seen as actually on the other shorter side cause every new jrpg addes like 30 hours of slog to its run time at least

>>719972850
>We live in a capitalist society.
>Have corporate welfare for particular industries, like banking
>Certain companies allowed state sanctioned monopolies like water and electricity
>Welfare bonuses out the ass, could realistically live off government handout and well
>Subsidies for certain industries to artificially entice growth

I fucking wish we lived in a capitalist society. Maybe then we wouldn't be having mega-corporations abusing laws to kill competition at all or just becoming a part of the state.

>>719983687
yeah I wouldn't count on Riot to know the value of anything since they're trying to charge $500 for skins

>>719983627
Thanks for blogging about your fetish I guess. That's something. You're really into cocks, huh?

>>719974851
You need to.buy even less games with that taste

>>719980025
Not at all. 14h should see you barely at the begining of act 2 if you like to explore a bit and don't rush straight to the end.

>>719980757
You can twist words but i just see more hypocrisy.

>>719983791
Pretty much lol. The director for Multiversus was also a former Riot employee and sank the game immediately with its impressively malicious practices

>>719972850
Capitalism and economic freedom is great until society starts collapsing because CEOs and shareholders only care about numbers going up even if it objectively makes the citizens poorer. Then it's pretty obvious that government must step in and cut these megacorporations down to size, as they did during the peak of American unity and pride.

>>719974851
its not even about the money there simply isn't enough hours in life to play 5000 games especially now when the internet is so addicting that i rather just scroll than play most shit that comes out
call me a retard but you fags do the same shit, how else can you explain /v/ niggers never seeming to actually be doing anything but shitposting

>>719983492
This is recontextualized when Adam Levine literally said it was more about the Jewish struggle than anything about Objectivism.

>>719978054
Except the history of economics and good saturation formulism, which is 101 education.
If you are mad that anons can find 9000 other substitutes for your shitty troon product and miss out on nothing, because mathematically it's impossible to miss out on an experience when one is oversaturated with a lifespan quantity of choices and experiences to choose from, then that's a you problem. No need to play psychological games, the self-interest of customers trumps your self-interest in duping them with your shit. This is basic conflict theory, and it's yet another basic bitch lesson in economics that's as old as Ancient Egypt and Sumer.

>>719970667 (OP)
didn't know there were devs this based

>>719983996
>Adam Levine
Anon... you're goin' to Hollywood!

>>719980171
Food is a necessity, AAA slop is not.

>>719983937
Capitalism in America was doing great until someone said we should encourage more global dependence as a means to create a more peaceful world. Cue several sections of Americas industrial base leaving for cheap foreign labor at the expense of the same people that made those companies as hugely successful in the first place. Globalism is the single worst thing to come out of the 20th century just behind socialism and it's evil offshoots.

>>719984017
That's so odd for something so 101 and well documented you've cited zero things. There's a reason gluttony is one of the deadly sins. It's never enough. There's no immunity for that. You just have to be able to say no and that's just not what happens as evident by all the fat fucks and gooners we have walking around.

>>719984112
America is not even that capitalistic or i wouldn't be raped in taxes to pay for social programs for crack addicts' downtown who do nothing but pop out more kids and smoke weed.
there's so many government rules i have no idea how anyone can even call America right wing.
i yearn for the day some doctor can just open up his own clinic somewhere and charge whatever he wants with zero bullshit from the government. i can assure you health care would instantly go down, the reason that shit is so high is like 5 barriers of people from customer to care all parading in the government to steal more money from us like the entire insurance industry and doctors

>>719980757
> All arguments of principle are arguments for interest.
My interest are more important than yours. You are low IQ.

>>719984207
Gluttony is easy to circumvent, push forward a dish that tastes and smells like shit and those who are used to good food will avoid it, the only exception is forcing and compelling them under threat of cold steel or firearm - which is what you wish to do because you looney troons are no different from rapists. 15 years you haven't managed to sell shit, because people have tens of thousands of games to play instead, not even including other hobbies.
MMOs also only ever have ~4-6 games that are successful at any one moment in gaming history, while ten times that number of contenders fail and close down to failure, because that's the maximum amount of MMO's that can monopolise attention span at any given moment, or monopolise a limited pool of subscription money willing to be paid by the entire gaming community. Even free to play games fall under this curse now, only a fraction ever get the goodwill of a community, the rest fail and flop.
Face it, you are a drug dealer trying to sell drugs to addicts who are so oversaturated with drugs they are taking them in from the air. The addicts have the control over you now, not the other way arond.
Your only remaining tactic as an entitled indie dev looney troon or AAA shitslop studio, is to stomp the ground in anger and attempt cope spiral psyops of attempting to convince the gaming community that they don't have anything to play which is a tactic that only elicits laughter and scorn at the retardation and hubris of it.

>>719970667 (OP)
>putting a "certified-slop" price on your product
Fastest way to scare away anyone looking for quality.

>>719984348
It would probably go a long way to reducing costs for medication and other things as most companies know they can jack up the price for things when they get the best customer they could ever get. The government, which will pay whatever price without caring one iota. The best grift you can get into is anything that does contract work for local or even federal governments. Those fuckers will sign off on just about anything without even looking into it. It's how we got Dustborn and it's not even an exaggeration.

>>719970667 (OP)
Just because they took 10 years to release it doesnt mean they put in a lot of work

>>719970802
Because HDR is a complete meme just like stereoscopic 3D, raytracing, and frame generation.

>>719984603
>Gluttony is easy to circumvent
Yet you need man in the sky to even attempt to stomp it. Curious. Also, I am not involved in your culture war on the scale you are (contorting yourself to shove your head up your own ass) I simply find the arguments ringing hollow when compared to reality. Also, loving the idea in your head movie where you're the good guy who's giddy to leverage violence to get his point across. That's epic. Good job.
>attempting to convince the gaming community that they don't have anything to play
All they're doing is releasing games you don't like. What the fuck are you talking about? When has this happened? Show me.

>>719970667 (OP)
They are just mad they can't jew their customers, lmao

Does anyone remember when we were being called "entitled gamers" for complaining that Gone Home cost too much at $20?
Now $20 is so insultingly low-priced for an indie game that it makes the indie dev community erupt in fear that their entire livelihood is at risk due to unfair competition.

I wouldn't believe it if I didn't live through it...

>>719985061
>Yet you need man in the sky to even attempt to stomp it.
The man in the sky didn't give me over 10 000 games to play, and another 20 hobbies, they just manifested through time, it's an over and done deal now in the present.
>Also, I am not involved in your culture war
No, you are just involved in roleplaying some retarded bullshit as a gaslight or as a falseflag because you have no education in economics, no education in psychology, sociology, or the gaming industry, and need to stomp and whine and cry in the shoes of corporate AAA sloponomics or looney troon indie devs with a control complex and inflated narcissism who believe they should be the center of the Universe and entitled to everyone's money. This is the worst Christian larp in history as well since what I'm arguing is basic shit from the New Testament that Jesus himself taught, you can't fucking psyop gluttony as an argument to serve as a cover for your stance to prop up pride, narcissism, entitlement. Fucking retard. The conclusion is absolute and unarguable, corporations and creators no longer have any control over the attention span or monetary incentives of the gaming community, that ship sailed 15 years ago when the industry officially passed the threshold of game libraries that can be finished in one lifespan.
It's over and done with. Cry, lament, beat your feat, beat your dick in a toilet while using your own tears as lube if you want to, but it's over for you egotistical self-centered entitled rats.

>>719970667 (OP)
It's always these retards who obsess over the fucking industry but barely ever play any vidya. I know many such types and they rarely ever break 100 titles played on the backloggds they link.
They're basically the shit nobody cares about enjoyers. A month will pass and people will forget Silksong price and it will not affect the sales of other indie games at all.
If developers were concerned their game isn't worth as much as an acclaimed title released in the past at the same price, 90% of all games wouldn't ever be released.

>>719985061
>Also, loving the idea in your head movie where you're the good guy who's giddy to leverage violence to get his point across.
Quote where he did this, the precise sentence, word for word. Because you seem illiterate anon.

>>719972498
This pretty much, like shareholders are fuming because their financed "indie game" sold at 60 dollarinos is mogged by a 20$ game

>>719970802
It's a Windows 10 thing. On Windows 11 24H2 and Loonix (on Plasma 6) this doesn't happen. It's the reason I jumped from 10 to 11 and then to the freetard OS.

>>719970667 (OP)
HOW COULD YOU JUST SET YOUR OWN PRICE FOR THE PRODUCT YOU MADE?!
NOW PEOPLE WILL THINK I'M GREEDY CHARGING $40 FOR A TWO HOUR WALKING SIM!

>>719971924
>cost it make to develop
Not my problem

>>719984348
>there's so many government rules i have no idea how anyone can even call America right wing.
You mean libertarian? Left and right isn't about the amount and restrictiveness of laws.

>>719979645
im old

>>719985539
>you're uneducated
>my arguments are absolute
>You can't point to an obvious pattern in human psyche that's recorded through time as a deadly sin
Okay, thanks. I uhh, don't know how to communicate with retards stuck in a Markov chain. Sorry.
>>719985668
> the only exception is forcing and compelling them under threat of cold steel or firearm - which is what you wish to do
Every accusation is a confession, unless you're ready to point out the troon firing squads you've come across.

A lot of zoomers and gen alpha are fans of Hollow Knight ditto for things like Undertale.
It's a calculated decision as 20 vs 60 buckerinos makes a big diffefenc for them and it's not like Pokemon where they can ask for the boxed copy for Christmas or something.

>>719985806
I don't know the context for that pic, but it amuses me.

Haven’t bought a single video game this year and have missed nothing.

Indie game should be bucks MAX.

>>719974851
Anon, the average gamer buys 7 games per system and finishes even less. Your idea of playing less is still far above average.

>>719985919
>no arguments
Thanks for playing. As I said, you can only stomp on the ground and throw insults just like these >>719972197

>Every accusation is a confession
Gaslighting. Warhammer 40k is satire writing, not real world Human thinking. You need a therapist if you believe this.

>>719970667 (OP)
its 20 bucks because its a dlc

>>719970667 (OP)
people are trying way too hard to push this game and you retards fall for it everytime

People are way overthinking this. There is so much variation in "value" for indie games already. These retards have been tricked by the Indian BuzzFeed slop writers piggybacking on Silksongs launch to engage in a pointless discussion

>>719986087
As long as it's on the record that we disagree and you have no retort to gluttony (You don't) it's all good anon.
>I was le 40k pretending
lmao

>>719973412
>shitty flash art
I loved flash games
>unity with visual
I don't see the code when I play
>doesn't even have shading
Why would "shitty flash art" need shading? Sounds superfluous.

>>719986239
It's on the record that gluttony is a non sequitur in a discussion where your looney troon games are flopping because nobody wants to buy them and you can't compel them to, because they have another 10 000 games to choose from. You still haven't argued about the MMO proof, which is quantifiable proof everyone knows and Steam keeps track of. Because you have nothing of substance to contribute save for foot stomping.
>>I was le 40k pretending
You are. Your dumb statement pretty much equates to dismantling the entire justice system and rule of law across the planet, every for of it, because "accusations equate to confession". That's some teenage edgelord shit who thinks Warhammer 40k is a way of life. I mean, that's great if you believe so anon, we'll cheer you on.

>>719982426
ain't no way this dude crying about the $20 price tag when his shit game looks like this

>>719982426
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2463220/Lone_Fungus_Melody_of_Spores/
LOL. if SS is 20 then this should be 5.

>>719982426
It's just a retread of the first game he made? That's hardly new, and probably not worth 20 bucks either.

>>719986531
>It's on the record that gluttony is a non sequitur in a discussion where your looney troon games
Yeah, that's because it's a case made for a different argument you've discarded to screech about the thing you wanted to talk about. No shit.
>dismantling the entire justice system and rule of law across the planet
Are we in a in planetary court room debating the entire justice system?

>>719986087
>40k is le satire
Tertiaries out.

>>719986662
Nah it could be free with ads, like the average phone game kek

>>719986416
>I loved flash games
So imagine paying to play flash games. That's you now

>>719984501
I'm certainly more intelligent than you but we probably share interests, at least in this specific context.

>>719970667 (OP)
like I give a fuck about the devs that have spent YEARS demonizing us. they deserve what they get

>>719986765
>Yeah, that's because it's a case made for
For your own made up teenage convictions about some side topic that has nothing to do with this thread, or the argument. So you are either trying to act witty only to shoot yourself in the feet, just like those troons did with Notch, or you are mentally unwell and illiterate. I'm going for the good faith illiterate option, out of benevolence.
>Are we in a in planetary court room debating the entire justice system?
You clearly are since you are a special boy who believes accusations equate to confession, for everyone except yourself of course, because you are special and get special ed due to being a special boy. Now quote more Warhammer 40k Inquisition memes like they are real life rhetoric and beliefs to live by to our amusement boyo.

>>719972197
It's amusing to see that trannies can actually learn from some of their mistakes.
Many of them realized that "He's a meanie poopie bigot chud" is not a particularly credible way ot unpersoning people anymore, so now they commit fake attacks upon people's competency. They pretend like the person's merit, their skills, their quality is subpar, because that's what people care about. I've seen similar comments on youtube about "When Jontron was still funny" (translation from transgenderese: Back when I didn't know he was a meanie poopie bigot chud).

>>719974851
Dude you have the buying history of an average goy gaymer

>>719983371
You misunderstand. Silksong is pricing under capitalist principles. The people complaining about the cost are the communists.

>>719986838
Yes. I'd have paid back then for more fleshed out versions of the Armed with Wings games too.

>>719986992
>that has nothing to do with this thread
You're not the thread. You've jumped on to a reply to someone else and I refuse to engage in your word salad. I hope you can find the courage to move on one day.
>You clearly are since you are a special boy who believes accusations equate to confession,
I am not the one using the planetary justice system as a shield. I've simply observed a violent tendency that has no evidence in the real world which leads me to believe it was born somewhere else (your skull.).

>>719985461
Gone Home was a walking sim, you play it once and that's it.

No replay value.

>>719982426
>Swedish dev
>supported languages in his game: English (ok), French (ok),...
>and two versions of Portuguese for some reason.
why?

>>719987250
>You're not the thread.
You're not either, yet you're not even capable of making an argument in favour of AAA slop corps or entitled indie devs, all you do is just contribute to my rhetoric that gamers are free to be petty with filtering games and not wasting time or energy on many of them, because they have too many to choose from, and the devs and companies who go bankrupt due to this won't be missed in any way or form since they are deflated currency due to an oversaturated market.
>I've simply observed
You feel called out because corporations, looney troons, and your kind, who can't attain success through organic means and accept failure when it comes - need to create a situation where you can force others into paying you through market manipulation, psychological manipulation, threats, coercion, gaslighting, exploitation, or shooting up schools like you troons are now doing more and more often.
It's fine anon, it's good that your kind feels called out, it means everyone else will be more vigilant to your shit, and that will perhaps humble you into staying your hands and your dishonest tactics towards consumers and people in general. Now go back to nailing rats on women's rape shelters in Vancouver because they banned troons from them after one tried to rape an actual female rape victim, looney troon.

>>719983960
You realise millions of people visit /v/, right? It's not the same 10 people posting non-stop. Well, some people are here 16 hours a day, but most of us actually do play video games.

>>719985461
Anon it's been 13 years since gone homo released.
Gone homo would be just shy of $40 today if it kept up with inflation.

Hey so isn't Silksong also like 15-20 hours max or some shit?

He should probably make his game $5.
It's always been worth that much. People just have a massively inflated idea of how much games are worth. If it's indie dev it's probably kind of shitty. If it's metroidvania it's probably unoriginal. It's worth $5.

>>719987674
>You're not either
I am not making a case for everyone to stop what they were doing and talk about want I want to as evident by literally the next line in your reply
>You feel called out
I simply believe oversaturation does not give birth to immunity towards being gaslit, manipulated, exploited, hyped, advertised, marketed, treated like a product yourself because gluttony exists and has always existed throughout time in humans. If it were the case then we'd all be immune right now, but as of today you feel compelled to fight the good ol' coomsoomer fight which indicates that the immunity amounts to fuck all as people continue to do the thing you don't like.. Anything outside of that is shit you've assumed for me. Like this Vancouver rat shit. What the fuck anon?

>>719987702
>people
This place is likely more than half bots at this point

>>719973229
Are nvidia drivers still pajeet tier since the 50xx dropped half a year ago?

>>719988290
>I simply believe oversaturation does not give birth to immunity towards being gaslit, manipulated, exploited, hyped, advertised, marketed, treated like a product yourself because gluttony exists
Which is a nonsensical argument since so many studios under AAA classes and workers, as well as indie devs, wouldn't be getting mass layoffs; and MMO's wouldn't be limited to around 4 existing in profitable fashion at any one time.
Gluttony as a word here has no meaning, it's vague and ambiguous. It's a word you pulled out of your ass to attempt to look smart through abstract vagueness. Meanwhile, saturation is a market law and force, value is directly tied to it via mathematical formulas, and sectors crash or flourish depending on it. See the car sector gutting happening now for example.
So, you have nothing of substance to contribute here.
Again, you are either a corposlop or looneytroon entitled indie dev who needs to convince others that they have nothing else to play except your dogshit, in order to pursue yourself benefits. It's an old psychological game, as old as time. Then when your product fails like Concord, Saints Row, SW Outlaws, Veilguard, and other garbage, or a lot of garbage failing now because Silksong overshadowed it since it met threshold of oversaturating attention span, or like how movies flopped due to oversaturation of attention span of successful actually interesting movies, you need to make up 1000 other vague quasi-religious reasons for why that happened that aren't steeped in accepting that customers ignored you because they could afford to ignore you because they are oversaturated by your competitors' and predecessors' products. This is a tale as old as time as well, you are just on the shit loser end of it.

>>719970667 (OP)
I remeber that thread for Lone Fungus

>>719983937
Wait until you figure out that all the monopolies that exist today are due to government interference.

>>719970667 (OP)
If I was part of Team Cherry I'd tweet something like "we're selling 1000 units for $1 using the code TheRoseCompany" just to make this twitter faggot seethe even more

>>719988862
>Gluttony as a word here has no meaning,
lol, lmao. Gluttony is habitual greed. I am sorry to hear you cannot find a context that fits this definition in the conversation.. As a side note. Feel free to play whatever you want. Internet is an ocean of boundless opportunity. Additionally, for all your appeals to education and market forces you seem to neglect the overall health of the global economy as you build out your fever dream. The consumer is broke which explains the layoffs, but pop off king. I am here for it. Mathematical formulas you say.

>>719970667 (OP)
Imagine complaining a game is too cheap and fairly priced.
Two of my favorite games of all time (not Hollow Knight or Silksong) are about $12 each.

>>719989224
>Gluttony is habitual greed.
Habitual greed is goes two ways in this discussion, the greed of entitlement by creators and corporations to money and attention in order to extract money (ie advertisement, marketing, awareness); and greed of gamers to pay less for more and to have a hobby product to entertain them to satisfy dopamine.
The creators can no longer maintain their greed because the entertainment industry is so oversaturated across over 100 different hobbies, both real life and intangible, that the greed of gamers is fully satisfied and no longer has dependence. This notion makes you butthurt because you failed math during your education. That's fine. Or maybe, you are one of those creators, and the notion having awareness among general society gives them power over yourself, that's also fine and hilarious.
That's the full context of this conversation. Either way, your entire platitude attempt at looking witty puts you on the losing end of history, economics, or just plain existence. That's the funniest part here. Even the discussion we are having is more entertaining to me than whatever troonerslop product you wish I would have buyed, and this conversation, this time investment, is proof itself that oversaturation is a thing, and that you lose out because I found a different way to amuse myself other than wasting my money on your dogshit product. I could be playing Cronos or whatever that slop is called which is a discount Dead Space to the point Dead Space 3 is an improvement over it hilariously enough, but the game is so unappealing that I'd rather laugh at your here, so it loses a sale, because my attention is better spent elsewhere. That's the simple law, of overasturation, perfectly being fulfilled and proven here now.

>>719989224
>The consumer is broke which explains the layoffs, but pop off king.
The opposite, sales have increased for the 7th consecutive year, in the overall industry. The layoffs are happening because you overplayed your presence, and there's too many competitors for a limited pool of buyers. Consumers are stretch thin among too many products and brands, so now the big ones, and many small ones, can't survive.

>>719985727
Windows 11 and OLED both needed.

>>719989720
>Habitual greed is goes two ways
Sure, everyone involved is human, but all this other shit is retarded. The consumer is broke as we enter the deleveraging part of a very long cycle, you know the market forces. It's that simple and then you've constructed your larp on top of that because you don't quite grasp reality. That's okay. At least your tried.
>attempt at looking witty puts you on the losing end of history
Oh no we've got to alert the witty. We're losing at existence you guys.
>>719990023
Oh my bad. The global economy is going to shit because sales have increased for the 7th consecutive year in the overall industry in this chart you've provided. You live you learn.

>>719986019
the cleavage is shopped in, it's just a joke. I think the original had a camel or something coming up to the car window.

>>719990197
>The consumer is broke
They factually aren't. The value of the gaming industry has increased across any and all stats from any financial and economic source you wish to look up.
If value goes up, and keeps going up, but you have studio closures and mass layoffs, and indies whining about going bankrupt; the conclusion is simple: You have more production than you have demand. You are stretched thin. On top of that, you have other entertainment sectors also pulling away from you, like the Netflix situation, and other mediums. There's so many competitors, that they can't meet sustenance levels with the existing revenue pool.
You are simply wrong and operating from a flawed thinking point, either due to false data, or ignorance.

>>719990686
Nice chart anon. Illustrates your point and everything. Real academic and shit.
>You are simply wrong and operating from a flawed thinking point, either due to false data, or ignorance
lol

>>719991016
Yes anon, it illustrates a nice point. The capital pool of a sector is increasing, while stock value on DEI studios is going down the drain. Their stock value per toilet paper sheet currently is 8.80 EUR by the by.
When this is happening, that means the demands of consumers are met to such a degree, that you no longer have control over their attention and habits. You can't aggressively sell to them, you have to prostrate yourself and suck their dicks, and beg for attention, because there's either a monetary outflow into another hobby and industry, or you have so many competitors that the entire consumerbase can play you against one-another as a form of gladiatorial auction. Suck it up tough guy.

>>719991283
More
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/video-game-market

>>719991431
Even more
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255995598_Value_Creation_in_the_Video_Game_Industry_Industry_Economics_Consumer_Benefits_and_Research_Opportunities

>>719991283
Wow, so the forecasts aren't representative of reality? I for one am shocked to hear this.
>>719991431
>and is projected to reach
I don't know anon it fucked you before you sure you want to keep peddling hopium?
>>719991526
You just google vaguely random shit? That's evidence to you?

>>719972197
>lukynkaCZE

Always knew czechoids were trannies

>>719991630
Whichever source I look up, all of them point the same thing.
Game industry value is overall going up. While your shitslop studios are devaluing and products failing, because demands by gamers are met by saturation.
Pretty much every entity agrees with this, including on google academic.
You are free to provide any proof to the otherwise.
God knows you won't, because you have nothing to prop up your stance.
In your mind, Assassin's Creed Johnny Somali Edition is probably still too big to fail, even though it caused a Ubishart stock crash after release for... half a year running now, to the point that even the Chinese sale didn't help. So, you either operate on incorrect data, or are ignorant, either way it's your own problem, and none of ours.

>>719992008
Everyone in the industry is projecting growth? No way anon, that's crazy. Here's the job opening data for US. Notice any particular trend? Who's going to buy the video game if no one's got a job?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/JTSJOL

>>719984964
It's not, though? It's more colors for your colors. Ever had visible borders in your color gradients? Wouldn't happen with HDR.

>>719992234
>Everyone in the industry is projecting growth?
And attaining it.
>Here's the job opening data for US.
4.3% Unemployment rate. That means 95% of the population has no problem buying games. You know who will buy games too? The rest of the World, since new markets keep opening. Hence the game industry value is just going up.
Yet somehow you have people on foodstamps buying games en masse as well. I wonder how that's happening? Unemployed somehow having the money to buy games as well. Must be those darn social welfare programs.
Face it anon, you have no proof of your statement whatsoever.
Show a single proof that the overall value of the gaming industry has fallen. One single document or analytic. You can't. Because you are grasping for straws.

>>719983371
nah, I hate tranny devs who want to charge up the ass. plus I'd rather have capitalism than socialism, fuck that gay shit

>>719992752
>4.3% Unemployment rate. That means 95% of the population has no problem buying games
You're misunderstanding what those numbers mean.
That's people who have been laid off and are looking for jobs within the last 6 months. It doesn't include people who haven't been actively searching.

>>719986108
this DLC will have even more DLC in it, they're futureproofing

>>719985061
>Yet you need man in the sky
Not, I don't. The jews did, they invented him. Plenty of cultures could explain gluttony away rationally and advise against it before semites even existed.

>>719992752
The 95 percent of people who have been facing compounding inflation for 5 years? You think 25 percent price increase will be taken care of by a 4 percent wage growth?
https://www.atlantafed.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
Or do you want to talk about those welfare poors buying burritos in installments on Klarna? I am sure they're so excited to hit those growth forecast projections instead of eating or sleeping indoors.

I just think digital in general shouldn't be fucking 60 in general if youre not gonna sell me a physical copy lower your fucking price(varlet,super robot wars y and atelier resleriana switch)

>>719970802
>Why is HDR support still so bad?
It isn't HDR in Windows is flawless. The only thing that is a little iffy is Dolby Vision, but that's only if you're too retarded to download the Dolby Vision Extensions and HEVC Video Extensions you need.
The only reason people think it is bad is because they've bought monitors that claim to be HDR but are not. The only panels capable of HDR are OLED and SOME MiniLED panels. Anything else, even with FALD, cannot do HDR.
Also turbo-brainlets think they can just toggle on the HDR switch on Windows Display Settings and it just work. That couldn't be further from the case. You need to be connected to your GPU using a port with enough bandwidth and then go into AMD or Nvidia control panel and make sure you're on Full Range RGB and 10bpc (10bit) or 12bpc (12bit) manually (which 100% guarantee you are not, as it will be in 8bit limited range RGB by default as it is the default windows display setting, even if you toggle on HDR.
There actually isn't a platform in tech that has better HDR support right now and I'm a turbo-autist for HDR. Xbox Series X, Android, and even modern LG/Samsung TVs are missing NUMEROUS versions of HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision display profiles (if not most of them) to the point where you'll get radically incorrect display output. But on Windows you have ALL OF THEM. Provided you're not a complete an utter retard and know to download the extensions, set HDR mode and check your display output modes in Nvidia/AMD/Intel control panel.
When setup right even desktop looks FLAWLESS with display set to HDR. Nothing is washed out. Everything looks perfect at all times and for games without HDR you can use RTX HDR which is good enough.
However we're getting KINDA close to parity with Windows on Linux thanks to KDE/Plasma and the work by Valve. HDR support on Linux is now better than Android/Xbox/Playstation but still very far behind the ultimate HDR platform - Windows.

>>719993023
I haven't misunderstood anything. You still haven't answered why even your fucking unemployed are continually being found spending money on video games and entertainment. Financial irresponsibility is still a benefit to the industry.
However, what does any of this have to do with the fact that the gaming industry's overall value has increased and keeps increasing?

>>719993153
Damn anon, if only someone would tell all those people to stop spending money on video games, netflix, and other entertainment mediums.
Yet for some reason they do, and these industries keep growing.
How's that happening anon?
Explain why people love to spend on entertainment so much that they keep doing so despite unemployment rising a little, and inflation?
It's a true mystery.
Go on.

By the way, you still haven't provided any proof, a single stat, that the game industry has gone down in overall value.

>>719993153
This is a dishonest argument. Wages can't grow as fast as inflation long-term. The economy isn't going to stem that cost.
That doesn't mean that people are going to stop buying video games or other entertainment media. As the industry and the gaming market grows, it's only natural that more people are going to spend more money on games.

>>719993023
Also this u6 is at 8.1 percent.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATE
>if only someone would tell all those people to stop spending money on video games, netflix, and other entertainment mediums
No need they'll stop on their own once they run out of money.
>Yet for some reason they do, and these industries keep growing.
Yeah, it's called debt.
>By the way, you still haven't provided any proof, a single stat, that the game industry has gone down in overall value.
Sure, if you're retarded I can see that. Not everyone has the rpm to put the lego pieces together. That's why we do iq tests to see who can see the patterns that emerge.
>>719993428
Inflation eating away at a household budget is not an argument for why luxury items could and will face the wall? I disagree. I think it's a very compelling one. Once the debt musical chairs stop it's ogre.

>>719993389
>>719993769
Forgot to quote the post.

>>719993769
>Once the debt musical chairs stop
Two more weeks.

>>719970667 (OP)
>pirate and wait for price deal bundles
just wait a moment!

>>719993389
>I haven't misunderstood anything.
You clearly have because you cited unemployment instead of workforce labor participation numbers.
>You still haven't answered why even your fucking unemployed are continually being found spending money on video games and entertainment.
I'm not part of you retarded little argument, I simply stated you're misunderstood what those stats mean.
>the fact that the gaming industry's overall value has increased and keeps increasing?
Earlier in this thread you posted a projected snippet from the pandemic before inflation wracked everything as a gotcha.

While I doubt the gaming industry is going to keel over, we're entering a recession and that always leads to luxury good sales decreasing. Games will, invariably, decrease in price to compete with ever shrinking wallets as basic survival needs are currently inflating faster than wages can keep up with.

>>719993851
True, why did other retards didn't just borrow an infinity? Are they stupid?

>>719983690
It really depends on the genre. Games like this can easily add "hours" by making the boss fights hard, and the trick is to make that enjoyable for the player.

ghost whores wont stop molesting hornet i hate them

>>719994004
US has been making money of thin air for more than half a century, this isn't going to stop any time soon.

>>719994082
Normally I'd agree if there wasn't a retard at the helm.

>>719971890
My thoughts as well. It just makes them look pathetic.

>>719972197
Notch is so fucking funny its unreal. He really does kill retards with kindness by making them show how jaded & shitty they are

>>719993769
>No need they'll stop on their own once they run out of money.
So when's that gonna happen? In 60 years? in 9000 years?
We're still waiting anon, because it ain't happening this year from the looks of it.
>Yeah, it's called debt.
Nah, it's called growth.
>Sure, if you're retarded I can see that.
Go on then and provide a single statistical or economic showcase of the video game industry value going down.
You can't, because it's facing growth just like other industries, even book publishing.
That being said, book publishing going up means less time to give to shitty video game producers, which again supports the fact that the entertainment industry is oversaturated, and the consumers have all the power over creators and distributors to dictate terms.

>>719993943
>You clearly have because you cited unemployment instead of workforce labor participation numbers.
Both of which don't change the fact that both keep spending money on video games and general entertainment.
>I'm not part of you retarded little argument
You are, video game industry value keeps going up, while shit studios and looney troon devs keep flopping. Oversaturation has given customers power over the industry, creators and corps no longer dictate it due to overdiversification of competitors.
This fact, the topic of the thread, still stands without you having provided any proof to the opposite.
>Earlier in this thread you posted a projected snippet
I provided a snipped that provided both projections and real time growth, the projections for 2023 and 2024 were met.
>we're entering a recession and that always leads
Which has nothing to do with the video game market being oversaturated currently, having growth value currently, and therefore consumers benefitting while croposlops and indie devs have to battle for their limited attention because gamers, consumers, have the power over them now.

You've tried to deflect in every way possible, yet the original stance still stands as fact it seems.

>>719984348
>there's so many government rules i have no idea how anyone can even call America right wing.
It's propaganda that has been internalized by retards. You are entirely correct that real, effective competition would solve many problems in America. That we don't see this is ultimately because the people in power benefit from the status quo.

ghost whores need another half second on their cooldown between dives, can't get the stupid interaction off

>>719994443
>So when's that gonna happen? In 60 years? in 9000 years?
I don't have a future telling device. The trends are shit and are nothing like the gaming forecasts and tariff man dumbfuck is not helping. I forgot about that too, the US consumer has to pay the morons' tariffs on top of inflation, lmao.
>Nah, it's called growth.
Yeah, growing the annual interest rate payment, lmao. It's a bigger item in the budget than military.
>Go on then and provide a single statistical or economic showcase
If you can't see my case with what you've been given I can't help you. Recessions lead to cuts in spending. Free money isn't infinite. That's just reality.

>>719994030
Got through. I still hate the ghost whores.

>>719994857
So anon, what does anything you said have to do with the entertainment sector being oversaturated with choice in the past 30 years, that oversaturation decreasing demand sharply as people jump between entertainment sectors to satisfy their limited attention span, re-read, and re-play old media as well, and this oversaturation now being the backbone behind why the current customerbase is freely filtering products and studios they don't want anything to do with because there's an oversaturation of competition and competing choice and they can afford to see - say - DEI studios fail because it's impossible to lose out on entertainment anymore?

>>719995290
Have your caretaker bust out your favorite crayon flavor to break down how you got btfo'd here today. Have a final (You).

>>719995396
So after all this time and bullshitting, you still have no answer for why oversaturation is a good thing for consumers, and how it gives them control over studios and corporations which is a good thing.
Marvelous.
You spent all this time saying you disagree that oversaturation of entertainment is a thing, only to talk unrelated shit and not provide any proof for your stance.
Talk about failure.

>Make product
>Someone can make product cheaper, better and sell more
Isn't this like the core of the free market?

>>719970667 (OP)
If you think the game is too cheap and the devs deserve more money then just buy 2 copies and give away the second one

Oh my god that was all Act 1

>>719970667 (OP)
lol. "give it away for free"... the pretentious fuck.

>>719990197
>but all this other shit is retarded
Prove it.
The gaming and entertainment market were already saturated 7 years before the recession started and before even COVID. Game studios and indies have been failing and closing since 2012 despite the gaming industry in general being on an uplift, and these years are not projections but finalised reports now leading up to 2020.
To say overabundance of choice is not a factor in filtering out products and entities is as idiotic as saying food chains never change their menus outside of recessions. You either don't know what you are talking about, or you hate the idea of customers exerting power over the market to their own benefit, instead of the market controlling the customers through monopolies. Either way you end up looking either ignorant, or evil to the average consumer. Neither position bodes well for you.

let me guess, they are socialists? Why are they against Teamcherry pricing things according to their own internal metrics but asking people to sympathize with their own reasoning for their own pricing schemes?

>>719970667 (OP)

That´s one way to look at it i guess. The other is that the other devs need to do better.

>>719970667 (OP)
good, greedy indies will have to lower the price of their shovelware now, thank you based silksong for giving them a reality check!

>Communists: kill capitalism!
>also communists: wtf dude why aren't you fleecing as much money off your customers? you are selling a good product for cheap !! you should ask for more !! you are making us look wrong because we are asking too much compared to you !!

>>719970667 (OP)
Make a better game? Reduce the price? Get a real job?

>>719970667 (OP)
>fairly priced at 20 USD

>>719988290
>I simply believe oversaturation does not give birth to immunity towards being gaslit, manipulated, exploited, hyped, advertised, marketed, treated like a product yourself because gluttony exists and has always existed throughout time in humans.
Well that's easy to disprove.
Video game crash of 1983.
Oversaturation of systems lead to a crash because the limited demand was surpassed and the industry entered a devaluation period, while poor quality garbage flooded the market.
By your logic, poor quality products overflooding the market should have been mitigated by gluttony. However it wasn't, people chose a limited number of high quality brands, and shafted everything else. That's how the golden age of gaming entailed, and that golden age itself continued to see growth through multiple recessions, the July 1990 –
March 1991 recession, the March 2001 – November 2001 recession, even the December 2007 – June 2009 recession didn't stop entertainment industries see massive gains and growth.
That's 3 recessions, each decade, that saw entertainment not only resist, but grow massively over the span of them.

The same is happening now, entertainment is resisting a recession on the general scale.
The low quality product producers are being shafted, just like the early 80s, in favour of what is perceived to be higher quality alternatives. The shit is being filtered because there's too much choice and not enough demand to meet it all. History is repeating itself, again. Documented history.
How fucking wrong can you be man?

Pricing games above $20 should be a crime from now on

>>719984964
Looks pretty good tho

I wouldn't play a Metroidvania if you gave it to me for free.

Every gamer™ has a different measure of worth.

>>719997701
Facts

>>719996672
Words are just for manipulation. The only conviction these people have is personal profit.

>>719970667 (OP)
$20 is the maximum Silksong could have cost. A dollar higher would be into rip off territory.

>>719987065
They do the same thing with JK Rowling, by acting like her books, which were written for children in the first place, are uniquely poorly written.

>>719983371
>capitalists
it's jewry, not capitalism

Theres way too many games these days and a lot of them charge too much money so I cant be bothered playing them.

Because gamers are such little silly babies who can't think and need a mommy to tell them what is better

There is like a million indie games a year in modern times. Being successful is about the same as winning the lottery.

>>719983738
That's capitalism though. They have more money than you and use it to crush your potential. If you're a true capitalist you can only accept it and start your own genius start-up to become the boss's boss!

>>719970667 (OP)
why would the developers care about the price of the game once it's done?. They get paid a wage over the development and maybe get bonuses depending on sales/reviews in some companies.

>>719982426
>Beautiful retro pixel-art graphics
I'm tired of this.

See, I look at this game and my reaction isn't "I don't want to buy this because Silksong is twenty bucks". I look at this game and I just don't have any inclination to buy it, regardless of the price. It doesn't look good or even slightly interesting to me. It looks exactly like the same indie 'retro' pixel art 2d platformer that actual hundreds (maybe thousands?) of other indie devs have churned out over the last twenty years. Trying to pin the blame on a more successful product is a weak cope.

And on top of that, the way these guys crank out a few bottom-of-the-barrel sprites because it's fast/cheap and then try to pretend the reason they're doing it is to be "retro" is just insulting.

>>719974851
Anon I buy like 1 game a year
Also your taste is ass, it's all AAAA slop

>>719980757
False, humans are biased toward the truth.
This is just hypocrisy, they are trying to get away with things.

>>720004193
indie games are even more boring than aaa games.

>>719986838
yeah I paid for bloons tower defense 5 and 6

>>719970667 (OP)
silksong are a bunch of shitheads who got extremely lucky with the timing making a stupid unity metroid clone, now they make tens of millions doing basically nothing and ruining the lives of other developers

>>719970667 (OP)
I don't use twitter, what was the general reaction to this tweet?
Hopefully all the zoomers saying "skill issue" came through to clown on him

>>719970667 (OP)
AHAHHAHAHA. EAT SHIT GREEDY FAGGOTS "DEVS" HOPE YOU STARVE TO DEATH

>>719970667 (OP)
I swear Corpo Suits are such fucking retards

>>719972197
NOOOOOOOOOOO. YOU HAVE TO PAY HIM BEFORE HE -ACKS. IF HE -ACKS ITS YOUR FAULT!! DONT YOU FEEL ANY GUILT??

>>719983605
Gays are based though

I sure do love /pol/ in my Video Games threads

decisions decisions

>>720006565
Where are you guys even seeing it for $7? Everyone's been talking about it being $20 and it still shows $20 in the store for me.

>>719970667 (OP)
>tfw silksong came out and now i can't buy any other videogames ever again
this feels terrible bros. about when am i going to be allowed to play other games?

>>719970667 (OP)
It's really hard to give a shit about these kind of people when all they do is complain about how miserable their existence is, >>719972197 shows this pretty well too

>>720007224
never again

>he bought
shit man this was up while the steam store was still down. Who the fuck pays for platformers?

>>720007484
Oh, it's the argentina meme.
Honestly, I'm not into the genre and never even played hollow knight, but I've been watching this clusterfuck and it's based. Fuck entitled shitdevs on xitter. I know an indie dev (from before they even started) also developing a game and they don't do this sort of shit.

>>720007678
>SC Arrows
Based. Fuck Sw*den

>give me your money now please please please give it to meeeeeeeeeee
The desperation they give off is pathetic especially when they already have so much money already

>>719970667 (OP)
Silksong is sadly gonna be the
>"This [game] costs $20? Just buy Silksong"
>"$30 for this when Silksong(GOTY/GOTD btw) costs $10 less"
Etc

>>719987572
Because he's based. I'm more inclined to buy his game because he bothered to have actual portuguese.

>>719970667 (OP)
um, guize?

>>720008237
why shouldn't this be the case especially with these indy games which certainly won't be 2x better than it?

>>720007574
damn

>>720008496
You've seen how Walmart moves into a town and then all the mom-and-pop stores close down because they can't sell things as cheap was Walmart and still stay in business? Team Cherry is the Walmart of indie games.

>>719984112
I dunno about that, national socialism was working pretty well

>>720008823
ffs this wal mart only sells silksong and HK

wherein progressives demonstrate (yet again) that they're anti-consumer af and not so secretly hate the hoi polloi. one wonders why they're socialist at all

>>719970667 (OP)
As an indie dev, if you’re making a game with the goal of profit your game is going to be shit. You have betrayed your artistic integrity and vision. Money is not the goal of art. Hate these fucks.

>>719974851
so fucking true
back in late 2000s/start of 2010s I I'd buy several ps3/ps4 and nintendo 3ds games but now the only thing I've bought in my 29 y/o are the DLCs for Age of Empires 2 and Helldivers 2

>>720009254
They aren't, real socialists have all fucking died out a long time ago, it's just corporate stooges funded by the jews on top all the way down.

>>719970667 (OP)
Retarded logic
Silksong being $20 isn't going to make me not buy other games
Elden Ring and Resident Evil cost the same amount and RE has like 1/20th the playtime

>>719974851
>Midnight Suns
fucking why? the trailer was bad and the delivered game was worse

>>720008496
It becomes annoying shoe-in for vidya discussion no matter the quality of said game.
Same as Hollow Knight fans spamming constantly Metacritic scores or how HK was better than any Metroid game etc. Even Undertale/Deltarune fans aren't that obnoxious.
Game's price or Metacritic score shouldn't be such big part of discussion about a game. Former means Fortnite and gacha games have advantage over games you have to pay for, no matter the quality, and latter means you put more weight on arbitary number than actual game, meaning that TLOU has advantage for any vidya discussion because Metacritic said it's better.

It is extremely low-iq behavior.
Example: Genshin Impact, 0$, 81 MC score. Why does Silksong cost $20 when there are free games as big as Genshin with much more replayability? Reminder that you can emulate Super Metroid and SotN for free.

>>720002976
capitalism was made by jewish people

>>720008823
I wouldn't attack Americans like that. They don't really like if you criticize the rich or big companies. I criticized Apple and Tesla once and oh boy. That's an attack against national identity, on the level of disrespecting Shinto traditions in Japan or shitting on French cuisine and liberty. Just don't, you're just ragebaiting.

None of those retards understand pricing.
You should actually sell an indie game for $80.

Really depends if you are actually targeting an under-served niche (in which case, some players might pay that price, because they will spend months and months playing it, enough for you to make a profit), or just the usual indie slop "2d pixel art roguelike metroivania" that people play for a day before moving on to the next indie slop.

I bet if I wrote Eastern European Steel Factory Simulator 2025, enough German autists would buy it that I could make a living out of it, and perhaps even start selling hardware peripherals to enhance the experience.

>>720009987
>should
I meant *could here.

>>720008237
honestly sounds like the sort of ego hit some people need to succeed. not everything is as valuable as you wish it were, you absolutely should compare your product to others when deciding a price, because the people buying videogames are doing that. 20 dollars is low for what silksong is, i don't expect every game of lesser value to price below that, but there needs to at least be a display of effort to justify something higher. im looking through the most recently released games, saw one called 'nachtmahr' for 30 dollars. that did cross my mind, it came out 4 days prior but i don't understand why they thought this would be a 30 dollar game. it isn't even in the same genre, i haven't even played silksong nor am i particularly interested in it, but man you are competing with a lot of different videogames when you price your shit so high. for any random game, i can filter by the same genres and see at least a thousand that i haven't played which i would probably play over most new releases. even before silksong, at 20 dollars i already expected a unique, polished, solid game with a consistent style and good music. for every indie dev to assume as a default that their game is worth more than 10 dollars to begin with is just delusional. in 2025, it probably isn't that special. and starting your pitch by comparing your game to other games, starting with 'metroid vania', you already set my expectations against what once were AAA games

>>719991283
>tencent now can use some of ubisoft IPs
get ready for gacha assasins creed with anime girls

>>720009987
Some devs do exactly that, and appears to be working for this dev at least.

>>719970667 (OP)
>first time solo dev thinks his shit will be worth $20
insanely funny

>>719970667 (OP)
>All the indie devs thought it was gonna be a crazy 7 year long magnum opus
>It's actually just a 2-3 year sequal made across 7 years
LOL

>>719970667 (OP)
>I can't afford to give it away for free
Why not?

>>720010418
Thanks.
I did not know this game, but it's a great example of my point.

>>720008823
If you make handmade teapots and sell them at a market and I start selling nicer handmade teapots for less in a stall next to you, I don't owe you anything. That's how markets work. The issue is you thinking that we are part of a teapot selling community and I owe you solidarity.

>>719984964
Bigger image quality gain than RT with no performance cost is a meme? You've never had a display capable of good HDR.

>>719971924
should have done a better job

>>719974885
All for people making their own engine if that is what they are into. But maybe read more into the text at the top of the screen, whoever made the image isn't exactly wrong there at the beginning. Having a good engine matters a lot less than having a good game. Toby Fox, the creator of undertale, had never written any code before making his smash hit, right? It's all just drag n drop shit inside gamemaker. Again if you're into coding and want to make an engine because you think its cool, I encourage that. But if you just want to make a game, I think you shouldn't be put off by comments like Notch's.

>>719973971
This. Dude comes off like an insecure starving artist having a self-aware reality crisis.
>I spent all this time on my passion project amongst all these independent hack devs and then here comes Mr.Fancy-McPopular-Fuck and his team of fags after 5 years hiatus with yet another high production masterpiece -- all at an affordable price...
>Mother FUCKERS stole MY thunder!
Metroidvanias are a dime a dozen anyway and I doubt this faggot's game was worth a damn to begin with. It's not even a fair comparison anyway since HK was Kikstarted. Again, it just sounds like he's either insecure or using the hype like many others as an excuse to advertise their game or both.

>>719980757
Hypocrisy is using other things as an excuse to argue for personal interest.

>>719970667 (OP)
Dude, it's 20 because it's shovelware. Nobody will pay more than that for that indie shit. 20 is the minimum because devs have to have discounts in mind. The game it's like 10 bucks in reality, which is quite expensive for a flash game.

>>719972197
>it's not the code that sells, but the idea crafted by it.
Damn. Straight.

>>719970667 (OP)
This has got to be the best free advertising a game has ever gotten. I didn't even care about Hollow Knight before, but all these people crying about how ciminal it is to sell at such a low price makes me want to buy it.

I wonder if this is actually a stealth marketing campaign.

>>719974885
Who the fuck cares? What's the point of making an engine if it's going to take more than making the game?

>ahhhem @current_thing here's my worthless tranny opinion on #topic

What do I think about this?

>>719971974
It's just the coastal leftoids, let them rot

>>719972197
Any more examples of games with shit coding that still sold well? I know Balatro is held up by a bunch of else-if statements and Undertale has failed attempts at deleting the .exe after genocide left in its code.

>>720011378
All of them really

>>720011378
TF2 has funny comments and i don't shit about code so i'm just going to say that

>>720011378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQXOYtO01o

>>720011378
Undertale and Hotline Miami 1 always come to mind for me. The sequel was done with some custom juiced up version of GameMaker so I'm not sure if you'd call that one "shit" coded.

>>719979365
He once settled an IP violation out of court with a Quake 3 duel. He's been based.

>>719970667 (OP)
>don't you think you're not in solidarity with us producers, team cherry? don't you think you should feel bad for such a low price? don't you think it is unfair to other devs?
holy shit i hate leftism so much.

your game is either of major retail quality comparable to genuine gba and 3rd/4th gen 2d games or it isn't. if hollowknight being 20$ is making you shake in your boots then your game probably wasn't past the threshold for that price to make sense in the first place.

>>720011378
Anything made by Bethesda, Mario 64, the Arkham games

>>720011378
Anything from the early 2000s.

>>719972197
stonewalling retards is funny as hell

This happens all the time in the market. There is a kind of soft-collusion called "tacit collusion" within a lot of consumer markets wherein the biggest sellers set their prices as high as they can in order to maximize profits. In a competitive market, seller sets a price that the consumer is willing to pay, and lowers it when demand drops. When all the sellers set their prices high, that becomes normal, and the consumer doesn't see the price as high anymore, because the bar has been raised.
The soft-collusion that I mentioned is the phenomenon where the biggest producers/sellers see no need to set their prices lower because they aren't directly competing with each other despite being in the same market field. They all benefit from keeping their prices as high as possible, so they don't undercut each other. This is the concept of "industry standard pricing" that games use. Ever wonder why pretty much all games by big name publishers cost the same? It was $59.99 for years, and now it's going up. But why is this? With so many different studios, why are all the prices the same? Because the industry standard is already set, there's no need to lower the release price. It's a price everyone has accepted. That's why there's backlash when one studio raises the price, because consumers subconsciously know that means the price of all games will increase. This is also a thing in the indie scene, because indie devs generally look at each other's pricing before pricing their own projects.

So when an outlier like Silksong releases a high-quality game for under the industry standard price, it throws a wrench in the entire machine, because suddenly you have one developer undercutting all the others with a product that overshadows theirs. When consumers look at their product, and their price tag, they are more likely to think "I'm not buying this, it's not worth it." The consumer simultaneously has their expectations of quality raised, and expectation of price lowered.

>>719982426
>Fungus: Melody of Spores
I can't tell if he did that on purpose

why are indietrannies such insufferable fucking cunts all the damn time?

>>720011378
bg3
custom core engine is good, but the game itself is held together by a shoestring

>>720012741
The loud ones go in, thinking they'll be the next Toby Fox/Notch/etc instead of just making the idea they've always wanted to make. Then complain that they're not the next in line to be a trillionaire when they shat out a game not even they wanted to play.

>>720012741
mixture of arrogance, entitlement, and high expectations of their own work.
Picture this: you're one of those "idea guys" who thinks everything they come up with is pure gold, and you'd be making millions if you only had a team to bring them to fruition. But instead of being completely talentless, you actually do have some skill, and along with using all the resources of the internet, you manage to make some shitty 2D sidescroller. 20 years ago, you would have put this up on a flash game website for free, but this is not 20 years ago. Instead, you upload it to steam for $19.99US. When people don't appreciate your genius, you get mad, because it's unfair that you worked so hard for so long for no payoff. You externalize your failure and blame everyone else because your fragile little ego can't handle the idea that maybe you're just not that good, and maybe your ideas aren't that brilliant.

That's basically a lot of indie developers.

>>719970667 (OP)
turns out they priced it at $20 because it just kinda sucks

>>719983690
Gonna be honest, $20 is kind of a rip-off if a game's only gonna last me 14 hours.
It's gotta be a dollar or less for every hour or i ain't buying.

>>719982426
Thats cool that he made a game and all but why would I want to play it let alone buy it?
It has zero charm it looks like one of those free platformers people make for flash game websites

>>719984112
Capitalism was doing fine until the generation that grew up in it's golden age grew into government positions and asked, "Why don't we remove all risk for big players and fuck everyone else?"

>>719982426
>can't even be bothered to make the style look interesting
>shit yourself over a better game being sold for $20
It's always like this.

>>719970667 (OP)
>10-15 hour
Sounds like $10-$15 to me.

>>719970667 (OP)
Why is this an issue? Sounds very Jewish to me

>>719970786
>You can't be artistic if you charge a fair price for your art

People are mad that a video game costs 20 dollars, for fuck's sake

>>720015230
Yeah, because they're capable of thinking beyond their next meal.

>>719970667 (OP)
>10h metroidvania
lmao

>>719970667 (OP)
Just don't think about the money and have faith in God to make you whole in the end
>>720014558
It was planned for a long time

>>720015056
>You can only use the freedoms we tell you to use

>>719974851
good, keep consuming goy!

>>720015669
>Implying all forms of expression are equally valid.
You have the freedom to make shitty decisions. That doesn't mean everyone should validate your decisions.