Thread 720673460

Which cast would (you) rather stay with?

>>720673460 (OP)
Everyone on the top row is an asshole and most of the bottom row have aura

>>720673460 (OP)
When you put their designs side by side you realize how much better Undertale's are (also most of the UT cast is smiling while Yellow's looks depressed lol)

>>720673460 (OP)
bottom row, but undyne is built different once she gets over her desire to kill all humans.

>>720674227
yellows cast has either smiles or decisively neutral expressions.

>>720673460 (OP)
so do they all just get away with killing six kids

>>720673460 (OP)
I wouldn't mind hanging out with Papyrus, Undyne, Napstablook, and Asgore. The rest of the group can go to hell. Bottom row has a couple cute anthro girls, even if they're both terminally retarded, and Clover is cool. So its a toss up.

>>720673460 (OP)
Go stay with YOUR cast on >>>/vg/

>>720673460 (OP)
How is this even a question? Undertale completely mogs.

>>720674503
If the jannies did their job, every permanent general like this and DALL-E would be banned from /v/.

>>720674227
Ironic considering six of the nine people on the top are depressed.

>>720673460 (OP)
I like Martlet and Ceroba

>>720674553
Did Toby do anything for the 10th anniversary?

>>720674791
Some new merch, a concert in London, special issue of Famitsu, a website where people could talk to an echo flower about what undertale means to them. I think that's it?

>>720674791
Not yet. Even though it's the anniversary on nippon, I expect a newsletter only later on today.

>>720674491
>>720674281

I dont know how papyrus slipped my mind there, I guess its because its a default that he's just a real one. papyrus and undyne for me, otherwise the yellow cast, even taking my odds around syringes.

>>720674365
it's OK they got better

>>720675043
Imagine false pacifist Clover crawling out of his grave like Caleb from Blood.

>>720674503
fortunately its ingrained into the rules of /v/ that just because a game is discussed on /vg/ it doesn't mean you aren't allowed to talk about it on /v/! hopefully you understand the rules of this site a little better now

>>720673460 (OP)
The bottom cast preformed an assisted suicide on a child. This alone disqualifies them. Except Dalv he gets a pass.

>>720674503
>Silksong threads
>Andry & Leyley threads
>Slay the Princess threads
>Dandy's World threads
>/vpol/ threads
>Dall-E AI slop threads
*crickets*
>Undertale Yellow threads
>NOO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT ON /V/
Why the double standard?

>>720675628
In an ideal world jannies would ban all of this.

>>720675168
>false pacifist Clover
immediately kills Asgore upon waking up

>>720673460 (OP)
>have to choose between spider pussy and squirrel pussy
fuuuck

>>720675691
>ideally jannies would ban yellow threads that aren't a general because... I dont like it!
what a world we live in.

>>720675043
surely the six children they murdered won't be a problem, they won't tell anyone or come for revenge

bottom looks mid so top

>>720675691
but this is not a perfect world

>>720675043
>the human SOULs are still alive
What did they do in the timeline where this happens?

>>720673460 (OP)
Looking at this has made me think about how crowded my fangame's main cast is. Undertale has 8 main characters, while mine has 10.

>>720674365
Asgore killed all of them and in Neutral he dies then has his soul erased. In True Pacifist you gotta assume that the Souls forgave him when they were released.

>>720675505
The top cast just killed the kids manually though.

>>720675043
The dead kids are dead. I really don't like revival theory.

>>720675784
It's True Pacifist. The Good End. The one where everybody gets a happy ending except Flowey.

>>720675886
I know it would be anticlimactic but I think they'd just straight up leave and forever let monsters be trapped down there. Pandora's box and all.

>>720676310
That's literally what actually happens. They move to the afterlife.

>>720676229
yeah but it's hard to suspend my disbelief when there's so many potential problems

>>720676159
I like revival theory if only because Im a sap and I want clover to get a happy ending, and while he's a fanfiction character I simply cant seperate him from the story in my mind after going through yellow.

>>720676159
and yet there is no alternative explanation as to why the coffins are empty

>>720676583
is that supposed to be kanako

>>720676673
no idea, I get a "dunebuddy" impresion but it doesn't look like the ones we see

>>720676583
It's weird how this fanfic stuck to 4chan versus all other fancontent.

>>720676739
because it gets very close to being perfect but the devs fumbled the bag in just a way where it tickles everyone's autism just right to want to fix it

>>720676583
Clover will be forever canon in my heart. I did a playthrough of Undertale after yellow and killed Asgore with the empty gun and had the cowboy hat as my armor.

>>720676819
It's far from perfect in my opinion, but it has to be something to get a permanent not!general.

>>720676819
its pretty much this, and despite some cringy lines, its not filled with that self aware type of ironic humor, the ways in which they failed, happened while trying to make something sincere

>>720676618
I just assume Toriel buried them when Frisk was knocked out.

>>720676449
The entire ending demands you stop thinking about it and just accept you got the golden ending, everyone but one is happy, you won, good job. Realistic consequences are for Neutral. True Pacifist is monsters not just leaving their hole in the ground but integrating perfectly into human society like the Monster War never happened and people's paranoia over soul stealing fiends is no longer a thing.

Dead kids having beef with Asgore is really the least of the issues you have to overlook to accept True Pacifist.

>>720677021
thats reasonable enough, but I still stand by just wanting to believe that clover got to live a life on the surface with monsters that had a few years to realize how fucked it was that they let a child die.

>>720677082
I get the impression when looking at the true pacifist is its not saying "dont think about it" and more "some way or another it gets resolved for the best in this ending". its a happy ending down to the bits and pieces

>>720677021
That's too short of a time frame to bury five coffins and still be outside waiting for Frisk. You need to face the fact that Clover lives.

>>720675775
>ideally jannies would ban yellow threads that aren't a general because... I dont like it!
I look like THIS and I say THAT.

>>720675043
Cloverbros we are so back

>Souls: How dare you kill us!
>Humans: How dare you kill our kids!
>Asgore: Eight kids fell down the same hole in the same mountain over the course of years and not once did anyone ever show up to rescue them. Me killing them was wrong but so was you leaving them to die.

>>720677405
We don't know how long the time frame is. Burying people can be quick.

Hey pregnancy drawanon, did any of those requests from last time end up catching your eye?

>>720677639
asgore would not be the one to say this because first he wouldnt say it to the souls due to his guilt, and second he wouldnt bother defending himself at all due to how he handled guilt. I could see someone else coming in and saying it but it really isn't much of a valid rebuke to the souls themselves

>>720677701
NTA, but I feel like there would've been a detail about that if that happened.

>>720677838
I can say the same about the dead coming to life.

>>720677639
missing 411 cases are a thing anon

The reasons the monsters integrated so easily is that all the children were actually unwanted children purposely thrown down the unwanted child disposal hole.

>>720677639
It's really funny how many dudes on here leap to defend Asgore when Asgore is so disgusted with his own actions that he kills himself

>>720678225
its because to be fair he WAS in a really shitty situation locked in a holy for untold time as leader of the people locked in the hole. the game does put it on you after all whether or not to forgive him.

>>720677917
Why would you introduce 5 brand new characters at the end of the story when you can just give a silent nod by having the coffins opened. The alternative is that someone opened a casket and pulled out a corpse, carried them to an unspecified point and buried them in the underground.

>>720678225
That's why we defend in. The man had not a single ounce of malice in his heart. He just wanted to do what was best for his people.

>>720677917
The details present point more towards the humans resurrecting than just being buried off screen.
I'm not saying it 100% happened, but all the monsters came back to life when Asriel let their souls go, and we know for a fact that most monsters' bodies disappear and die as soon as their souls are taken, which means asriel reversed death for basically all of monsterkind when he gave them their souls back. I don't see why he couldn't use his power to bring the humans back to life on top of that.

>>720678407
Because literally reviving the dead would be a very big deal, especially when Toriel is so pissed at Asgore. You would expect at least Toriel to mention that she has new kids to take care of if they really revived.

>>720673460 (OP)
>Yellow's cast looks better
>Yellow's cast is also infinitely more insufferable and have a penchant for yapping when you aren't putting a bullet between their eyes
I will choose Undertale's cast.

>>720676897
What did you think of the original UT? Also directing this towards anyone else who didn't think Yellow was great or even particularly good.

>>720674715
that would leave you with basically no threads lol
subcommunities and having a thread catalog are part and parcel, you cannot have one without the other without overbearingly enforcing a rule against it
the only reason anybody gives a shit is generational trauma from pokemon generals and homestuck general

>>720675727
Mammalian pussy is just tuesday. It's not every day you get to fuck a spider.

>>720678518
Fairness, no monster have true malice in their hearts (cause UT lore is kinda dumb). Asgore definitely put himself between a rock and a hard place so it is reasonable to not be sympathetic to him. But I also do think the games give him way too hard a time for a very rough moral quandary, especially given how few monsters are even capable of going to war. Even Undyne still dies to child.

Toby really should have specified the raw power of BOSS Monsters compared to normal ones more. If he really want to say Asgore's indecisiveness is a sin worthy of raw contempt from even his ex-wife, it really needs to say that Asgore really could have curbstomped a good portion of humanity with any number of SOULs.

What would happen if Clover's body was injected with determination and he became a goner?

>>720678601
It's stated you can take the SOUL of an alive monster with incredible power. Asriel didn't kill them in anyway.

>>720678675
>You would expect at least Toriel to mention that she has new kids to take care of if they really revived.
Maybe they didn't revive as children, or maybe they didn't run straight towards the nearest group of monsters given that each of them died to monsters just before being jar'd.
Them being alive doesn't mean they'd run straight to Toriel, they'd more likely go off to try and find whatever monster friends they had before they died, or just head for the surface.

>>720675947
>my fangame's main cast is
which game?

>>720679015
Toriel canonically took care of each child that fell in. I feel like she would at least mention that the children she took care were revived.

>>720678601
Monsters barely have a soul and their bodies are 99% magic. It's not remotely the same. There's also the thing about SAVE/LOAD just rewinding time in the Omega Flowey fight to resurrect Frisk whenever he dies, it's almost certainly the same sort of thing happening at the end of Hypergod Asriel. Which means it doesn't rewind back far enough to resurrect anything but the monsters,

>>720678975
Cool, way to misread that data entry.
The point of that entry in the true lab is to explain the point of the experiment, that being to find a way to harvest the soul of a monster before it disappears when they die. Another one of those entries even states that the monsters' dust was supposed to be returned if the experiment was successful, since harvesting the soul would still kill the monster in the process.
Asriel taking the souls of all monsterkind killed them, he just used his lingering power to put them all back together afterwards.

>>720678675
The children coming back to live doesn't suddenly undo the years of damage Asgore has done. There also is no reason why the kids would want to stay with Toriel.

bottom row by far
total toriel death, total toriel defender death

>>720678769
I think Undertale is a very good game, and playing Yellow highlighted Undertale's strengths, like having the main cast actively participate in their area. That's why Steamworks is the best Yellow area, too.

>>720678867
a large part of the ambiguity comes from toriel herself being an unreliable narrator where asgore is concerned, and it's incredibly vague why she even hates him and, more to the point, she knows as well as asgore does that a war plan against humanity is just going to result in monster extinction because he doesn't have the conviction to begin killing humans (and quite probably no monster in the whole of the underground does), so pressing him about that and calling him a coward for not committing to it is dumb on top of the hypocrisy of her also dipping out

it's less boss monsters are strong than it is they're special with enough cohesion for their soul to remain a little while after death to enable a scrapped magic system for frisk and to enable flowey snatching the soul out from under you in the first neutral ending, one specific mongolian child that's really good at dodging and has rizz can solo the entire underground but it's pretty firm elsewhere that if asgore actually could kill he'd be more than capable of picking up as many souls as he wanted after absorbing the fallen humans'

>>720679154
>I feel like she would at least mention that the children she took care were revived.
If she knew about that, sure, but like I said, I doubt each of the fallen children would have made a beeline straight for her if they got revived. They more likely either headed straight for the surface to try and distance themselves from the people who killed them, or went off and tried to find their own friends.

>>720679212
>data entry
>True Lab
Anon... this is from Waterfall. It has nothing to do with any experiments.

>>720676583
Flowey doesn't exist for any other human but frisk. Yellow is an au

>>720679392
Whatever, doesn't prove me wrong.
That textbox says that it would take an incredible amount of power to harvest a monster's soul, but the game explicitly makes it clear that actually doing so would still kill the monster in question.
You're still wrong, end of.

>>720676819
They did everything wrong

>>720679486
Can we go a single thread without a floweyfag insisting his character makes no sense in UTY despite the fact that he's perfectly fine?

>>720679486
irrelevant reply.

>>720679347
I genuinely doubt they wouldn't notice the empty coffins, and they wouldn't notice they going to the surface when they were standing in the literal only exit to the underground.

>>720679494
It does. It explicitly states that a soul of an alive monster can be taken by an incredible power, which is literally what happens. The game only says it kills the monsters when it's NOT done in this way.

>>720679579
there are absolutely issues with flowey in uty, but they made it work overall well enough.
>>720679645
aren't the coffins downstairs out of the way from the throne room? toriel likely rushed to barge into the throne room when she made up her mind to stop asgore, and its reasonable that she wouldnt want to go to see the coffins if she didn't just magically know they were opened

>>720679321
Not about Undertale Yellow but this post still has me thinking
>Alternate timeline where Toriel says "fuck it", absorbs the human souls and goes to war with humanity while shattering the barrier
Would it work?
She would've killed billions...

>>720673460 (OP)
one that's canon according to toby.

>>720679494
>the entire final fight against Asriel is reaching out to all that remains of the monsters to make them fight back against him the exact same way the human souls rebel against Flowey
>"When a monster dies its SOUL disappears"
>"Asriel killed all the monsters"
Bro the foreshadowing is literally right there that Asriel was the great power who could take a living monster SOUL.

>>720679265
>knows that there are human killing death squads beyond the ruins
>has the ability and the authority to stop them
>lets 6 children wander off on their own
>"also pls don't ever come back here"

>>720679579
I haven't been in these threads for half a year so you are just seething and coping at this point.

>>720675043
Is it actually canon that Asgore killed them? Or did they die other ways?

>>720679486
True, but fanficfags don't like this. Nothing wrong with an AU.

>>720679645
>I genuinely doubt they wouldn't notice the empty coffins
We never see any of the other characters in the coffin room, so we don't even know if they checked in the first place, and even then, it's likely only Asgore would've checked at some point after the fact.
>and they wouldn't notice they going to the surface when they were standing in the literal only exit to the underground.
Unless the humans woke up before they did, or waited for the place to be a bit emptier before making their moves.
Underground's a big place, they could've just gone somewhere else where the main cast wouldn't have followed them.

kino is back on the menu

>>720679867
Wog but not canon

>>720679773
It sure is something to think about

>>720679762
All of the main cast wakes up in the barrier room, which is where they actually were. Just saying, if Toby intended for ressurection someone would at least mention it.

>>720679867
Tobias "Radiation" Vulpes-vulpes himself said almost as soon as the game came out that Asgore was the one who got them all

>>720680054
twitter is only canon when i want it to be canon btw

>>720679773
I wonder about that, sure against 6 soul flowey frisk dies repeatedly, but when he has 7 souls equivalent frisk even when brought to 0 hp "refuses". I have a feeling that determination is the power to reach "an ending" and if monsters actually waged war on the surface whos to say someone in the wide world wouldnt have the power to refuse death like frisk did even against 7 souls?

>>720679927
Okay, this is now getting too speculative. It's more likely revival theory isn't a thing rather than every single thing you said happening.

>>720679754
>It does. It explicitly states that a soul of an alive monster can be taken by an incredible power, which is literally what happens
The game says the soul can be *taken*, but not that the monster would survive.
The reason it specifies the soul of a living monster is because the souls of non-boss monsters disappear alongside their bodies when they die, making it impossible to harvest them normally. The game saying that an incredible amount of power would be needed to harvest a living monster's soul is the explanation for how it can be done at all, not the game saying that it can be done without killing the monster you're taking the soul of.

>>720679773
doubt it, toriel herself is still just as much of a pussy as her husband when the chips are down; she backs down instantly when opposed by either undyne or the underground mobs in trying to ascend the throne, and her own response to asgore's war plan was to apparently leave so abruptly he thought she was dead (it isn't specified if she tried to talk him down or anything like that, so probably not)

>>720679849
You're far from the only illiterate anon to misunderstand Flowey's character, I assure you.

>>720679773
Not even Flowey could wield human souls effectively. I doubt you could get them to comply with killing 8 billion humans.

>>720680141
Context, dude. If the above sentence is talking about monster deaths, and then talks about taking the SOUL of an alive monster, then it implies that monster wouldn't die in that case.

>>720680032
the coffins were down the stairs to the right down another set of stairs not in the barrier room, thats where the souls were kept

frisk boy or girl???
kris boy or girl????
clover boy or girl???

>>720680149
More of a pussy, given you have to manually run into her bullets for her to kill you. She might die of a ulcer if she dared to have real killing intent.

>>720680423
Frisk - Girl
Chara - Girl
Kris - Boy
Clover - Boy
Perfectly balanced.

>>720679820
>Bro the foreshadowing is literally right there that Asriel was the great power who could take a living monster SOUL.
Your inability to read continues to astound me.
A monster's soul vanishes with their body when they die *under normal circumstances*. The difference with what Asriel did is that he was able to use his power to harvest their souls without them vanishing, but the individuals still died in the process. Asriel literally has hundreds of monster souls surrounding him when he see him give up the souls, separate from the monster's bodies.

>>720680376
Yes, but that anon implied they went to the surface without anyone noticing, which would be impossible. Revival theory needs to many concessions to realistic work.

>>720680506
Basado

>>720680032
>if Toby intended for ressurection someone would at least mention it.
Yes, if Toby meant for something to be canon, he'd explicitly mention it and not beat around the bush with interpretation or anything dumb like that.
You just blow in from stupid town?

>>720680208
No I'm correct sorry retardkun.

>>720680586
>which would be impossible.
It's impossible to sneak around a bunch of people passed out on the floor?

>>720680687
This but unironically. Stuff he leaves to interpretation he makes blatantly clear, like why Frisk fell or why Chara hated humanity.

>>720680687
Charration is indeed canon

>>720680772
This is giving yet another concession and just assuming they're passed out instead of being awake. Like I said, too many concessions to work. You can still headcanon it, though.

>>720680852
Why did Chara hate humanity?

>>720680245
That text is literally talking about the soul, it has nothing to do with the monster surviving. The emphasis on needing a living monster is because the soul itself needs to not be destroyed, which always happens when a monster is killed. The point of that text in waterfall, as well as the experiment in the true lab, is to show the idea of separating a monster's soul from it's body in order to harvest it, not to show the idea of the monster surviving.

tony fox here to remind you that this 'chara' thing is no longer canon in any way shape or form, and the undertale update tomorrow will remove it from the game entirely

>>720680556
Their bodies are magic and dust held together by a living soul. If the soul is alive the body is meaningless. They're not dead until the soul is gone.

Again, this is in the game.

>one chance at making a fan game based on the yellow soul
>doesn't have you shot Undyne in the eye

It's so over

>>720680586
all it takes is "asriel brought them back while he still had the power of the souls thus that would mean all of the monsters are still unconscious, they left in that time". its not really much of a reach

>>720680964
Exactly. It's left for interpretation explicitly from the game by having Asriel directly ask it, lol.

>>720680921
>Like I said, too many concessions to work.
I feel like out of all the HCs I've seen people throw around over the years, this is easily the most plausible. All the humans would've needed to do in order for the main cast to not be aware of their revival is just not go into the same room as them at the same time. It's also possible Asriel used his power to just place them somewhere else in the underground, which we know he can do given that only the main cast wakes up in the same room as Frisk at the end of pacifist, despite most of the game's entire cast being in that same area just before the fight with Asriel. The various humans could've easily just woken up with their own respective friend groups after their souls were released, miles away from the main UT cast.

>>720681018
undyne never met a human before frisk

>>720681056
Nah. It takes:
>Asriel having the power to ressurect the dead (not implied)
>Nobody noticing they being revived
>Nobody comments they being revived
>They're nowhere to be seen
>They're never mentioned in post-game content.
Meanwhile Toriel simply burying them is actually implied since she did that to Chara.

>>720681018
Why are her and Alphys even in Undertale Yellow? It seems wildly out of place to have every cast member be the exact same in the prequel, and it puts Yellow way too close to Undertale chronologically.

>>720681215
It's fine as a headcanon but that is it. But to be fair, Yellow itself doesn't fit the canon either. So it's fine for people to believe both.

>>720681257
I know but this was a very popular theory back in the day

>>720678942
Goners are copies, not zombies.

>>720680974
And I thought I SAID you own me another 20k bucks, Robert.

>>720681347
the devs made UTY literally 1 year before UT, huge mistake
they also justified all kids disappearing close to each other cuz they all came from an orphanage built at the base of mt ebott
needless to say most people dismiss this

>>720681347
Because the authors are retards who think flowey existed before first and that 201x was when frisk fell

>>720673460 (OP)
>Would you rather hang out with the real characters or gay fanmade ones?
What do you think?

>>720680982
>Their bodies are magic and dust held together by a living soul. If the soul is alive the body is meaningless. They're not dead until the soul is gone.
Again, complete misunderstanding of the game's lore. The soul isn't the only thing that matters to a person's existence in UT, it's a combination of both the body and the soul. In monsterkind's case, the body is their dust, which is why Flowey has all of Asriel's memories despite not having his soul.
Also,
>They're not dead until the soul is gone.
That's not how monsters in-game treat it. Flowey makes that distinction when he talks about not killing Asgore if you go through the underground without killing anyone, but he still makes sure to prevent you from taking his soul. A person's soul isn't them, it's a *part* of them, in the same way that an engine is not a car. A car doesn't still exist after being put in a trash compactor just because I have the engine in my garage, I just have a component of the car.

>>720681470
and just like i told you before they're up your ass
now where's that chapter 5 leak, seb?

>>720678867
>Fairness, no monster have true malice in their hearts
No, they do. The upper limit for monster malice is just a lot lower than the average malicious human. Toriel, Muffet, and Mettaton are examples of monsters with a lot of malice.

>>720681347
It has to be close because Flowey a major character and without him UTY falls apart

>>720673460 (OP)
Top cause they wouldn't let a kid kill themself.

>>720681504
Frisk rather

>>720681396
UTY can easily fit into the canon of UT, it's just slightly awkward is all.

>>720679074
Oldentale. I've ended up with this weird situation where every Disk (what I'm calling chapters) has on average 2 main antagonists. It all works in context, but man there are a lot of these guys, so I'm kinda worried they'll blend together in the player's mind.

>>720681654
It can't

>>720681580
UTY could work without flowey, it would just need to be set earlier (don't include any UT chars besides toriel and asgore) and have better writing (lol)

>>720681704
No, it can.

>>720681754
Sorry but no.

>>720681737
NTA, but there's no reason to exclude Flowey from UTY at all. He's a great character, but also his inclusion doesn't actually break anything either. Most of Flowey's plans completely fall apart even when everything's in his favor, he's just not actually a very good manipulator at the end of the day.

>>720679212
The goal of the true lab experiments was to make the souls of already dying monsters persist after death. Alphys wasn't going around killing people to get their souls.

>>720681654
but it isn't

>>720681856
It breaks everything.

>>720681789
Don't worry I checked, it works.

>>720679243
What other damage has he done?

>>720681737
you run into the problem of why a time traveler would just accept his death as an outcome instead of resetting

vgh i just hate that yellow fanfiction
anyway im going to talk about my waifu that only exists in my headcanon for 200 posts now so fuck off

>>720681909
Except it doesn't, because you can't actually back up your point in any way other than "IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY!!!1!".

>>720681578
I already leaked the track of Assgore's battle, ASSWHORE. How about I leak "song that might play when Rudy is the Knight"?

>>720681581
>Toriel: If you leave the safety of the ruins then ASGORE is going to murder you dead, you stupid little shit
>Also Toriel: Well okay fine I'll let you go even though I still think ASGORE is going to get you like he did the last six kids

>>720681304
>Asriel having the power to ressurect the dead (not implied)
he has the power of 7 souls, the power that has been referred to as "becoming a god". this is not an unreasonable concession
>Nobody noticing they being revived
>Nobody comments they being revived
>They're nowhere to be seen
all handled at once by the revival happening while asriel still held the souls, so it would by default mean while the monsters were unconscious. these are a "gimme".
>They're never mentioned in post-game content.
we are given very little info on post game anything other than that "everyones happy yay, also toriels an alcoholic!"

its really a pretty reasonable take on things

>>720682004
where is the link then? go ahead, post it

>>720681654
Even the Yellow devs disagree with you, bro.

>>720681959
why did the other kids die if they could reset?
the truth is even frisk only survive due to the PLAYER's determination, the kids all had lower determination and just gave up, like the hollows in dark souls

>>720681856
Flowey doesn't have to be a good manipulator when he can just reset any outcome that he doesn't like. This inherently makes him OP.

>>720681959
Undertale actually deals with this quite nicely by having the substance that gives people this power be called "determination". You can go back and try again for as long as you have enough of it, but as you keep going your determination gets worn down just a little bit more each time you reset, until eventually you're ready to throw in the towel.
If you think you've seen everything and still can't find a way out, sometimes the best choice is to go out on your own terms.

>>720681976
>Kanakofags out of nowhere.

>>720682074
Inside Temmie's pussy.

>>720682147
>when he can just reset any outcome that he doesn't like.
Yeah, except having unlimited tries to do something doesn't actually guarantee success, it just means you can keep butting your head against a wall for as long as you like.
Even if Flowey has the ability to explore as many different outcomes as he likes, if none of those outcomes actually lead him to where he wants to be, he's shit outta luck. That's why he can't win in UTY, the starting conditions simply aren't arranged in such a way for him to get what he wants, and after enough attempts, he's willing to try and wait things out and see if he can get what he wants later.

>>720682138
>Player
Legends of Localization headcanon. The determination is from Frisk only. She is the one filled with determination.

Cool discussion but we all know what carries Yellow threads.
The bird

>>720682219
that's still a gay fanfiction character
unlike my headcanon genoslide waifu who should take up 99% of every thread

>>720682378
Forgot to take the name. Oops.

Yellows endings bother me. Like either fate can be changed or it can, pick a lane. You should especially not make the one ending where fate is change the genocide route. "The only way to break fate is through blood" as a theme could be interesting, just not in an undertale fan game cause it comes off like you missed the entire point.

>>720682385
she's what ruined yellow threads in the first place though

>>720682378
Flowey literally makes an explicit distinction between Frisk and the player, play the game before talking about it.

Yellows endings bother me. Like either fate can't be changed or it can, pick a lane. You should especially not make the one ending where fate is change the genocide route. "The only way to break fate is through blood" as a theme could be interesting, just not in an undertale fan game cause it comes off like you missed the entire point.

>>720673460 (OP)
As much as I like Supermarket, Cerobert and Starsky, I have a mission to marry off Alphys to Asgore and then marry Undyne myself.

not once in these last 10 years has a chara fan ever made a single good post

>>720682403
I like Chara (even though I prefer Frisk) and I love fanfiction. Heck, Toby is pro-fanfiction. Fanfiction caries this series. Nothing wrong with yellow at all.

>>720682592
>marry off Alphys to Asgore
There is no way that would end well for anyone.
Literally, anyone, the collateral damage would be catastrophic.

>>720682385
you have no power here birdbrain

Oh shit, is that what this is? I've heard tell of the charafagging from people in the /vrpg/, but I've never actually run into it until now.

>>720680556
You're treating that as though its a foregone conclusion but nothing in the game says that. Its just as possible that the monsters didn't die when Asriel took their souls. After all the soul of a monsters disappears when they die, so maybe he has to use his immense power to keep them alive while taking their soul, and then keep them alive so the souls don't disappear.

Sure it could be what you say, but it could also be that.

>>720673460 (OP)
Martlet, easy. Or Starlo,

>>720682568
He's talking to Chara here, but I didn't even say the player wasn't canon.

>>720682656
Shut up, they're perfect for each other. The only better option for Asgore is Roba herself.

>>720679935
Someone hide Sadie

>>720682728
I think it's just one guy dumping Chara images and one guy that absolutely hates Chara. Just discuss Yellow and ignore it.

>>720682791
>He's talking to Chara here
Wow, way to completely miss the point of the entire back half of the pacifist run pal.

>>720682691
she has the power of being lovely

>>720682590
This. Why make the route where you obliterate everyone in your path the one were you have the power to overcome fate.

>>720680116
>. I have a feeling that determination is the power to reach "an ending"
I really this interpretation. Especially when its added to the idea that the player always has exactly as much determination as he needs to reach the ending.

>>720682897
I mean, that's what is objectively true. He is referring to Chara there by name, even.

>>720682956
Because overcoming fate isn't the point of UTY, the point of UTY is seeing the journey the previous fallen human went through that made breaking the barrier in UT possible.

roba doing yoga

>>720673460 (OP)
Both looks super gay. But the bottom has better pixel art, so them I guess.

>>720681018
If you shot someone in the eye, they would die.

>>720682065
Too much "ifs" in my opinion to even come close to canon. It's a cool headcanon, though.

>>720683014
No, he's referring to the name you picked, not the fallen human he knew when he was Asriel.
Hell, "Chara" isn't even that human's actual name, that name is just a joke about the file names for the human's sprites in the game files.
Flowey refers to the player by the name they chose in the "name the fallen human" screen because it's the only thing he has to go off of, but the game makes it pretty clear that he knows "Chara"'s already long gone.

>>720681693
>but man there are a lot of these guys, so I'm kinda worried they'll blend together in the player's mind.
It all depends on how long your game is, Deltarune already has a ton of characters in the "main" cast, but nobody minds it since the game is longer than UT
Speaking of fangames I just noticed my fangame Undertale Naranja also has a lot of important characters too, 9 to be exact, but only half of them are chapter/disk/act bosses, my main concern with the cast is that I feel like I have unintentionally recreated some characters from UT and DR, but I think I can figure out how to make them stand out by themselves

>>720683365
toby making chara/the player's stand in its own character in the story was a huge mistake, and I really hope he doesn't repeat that mistake in deltarune (people are already coping saying the soul is dess or some shit)

>>720681576
So who are you interacting with in the SAVE portion of the Asriel fight if all of the monsters are dead?

>>720678867
>no monster have true malice in their hearts (cause UT lore is kinda dumb)
You're taking a fairy tale at face value. Monsters are obviously capable of hatred and malice, just like humans are capable of love and compassion.

>>720683365
Headcanon. Everytime that name is used is in reference to Chara, not the player. It's name the FALLEN HUMAN, not you.

>>720683494
Their souls, the same way you interact with the six humans' souls in Photoshop Flowey's fight. The various cast members are literally referred to as "Lost Souls" when you select them to save them in Asriel's fight, they're their souls.

>>720683017
Then why can you overcome fate? If all roads lead to Clovers death that's fine, but you can't then include one where he actually does change fate.
Like this isn't hard, just have him loose to Asgore, young Undyne, Gerson, and Sans.. Either fate can be changed or it can't.

>>720682378
>he didn't fill his waifu with determination
gay

>>720683871
Because the genocide route in UTDR is almost always about breaking the game's story. The genocide route in UTY being the only route where Clover lives makes sense, because that's the route where you aren't supposed to play along with the "intended" path set out for you, including the idea of not being able to change fate.

>>720682590
>The only way to break fate is through blood
Isn't that the theme of JoJo part 5?

Anyways, the point was to make there be no good outcome for UTY. Call it shitty writing if you want, but that's the answer to your question.

>>720683751
What are those physical bodies you're looking at and talking to then?

>>720684006
DR doesn't have a genocide route.

>>720683880
I mean, I do that too, BUT, I like my waifu being strong and strong-willed as well.

>>720683486
He clearly learned from it and cut out the middleman. You can't get more direct than the SOUL being "Me," even if some contrarian schizos will still pretend otherwise.

>>720682590
>>720682956
>>720683871
>The will to keep living... The resolve to change fate.
>Let's call this power...
>"Determination."
DETERMINATION is "the power to change FATE" in both Undertale and Deltarune
Our DETERMINATION controls the fate of humans and monsters in Undertale and is the reason ______ brought us to the world of Deltarune
Clover is able to change their fate ONLY in the Genocide/Justice route because that's the only route where they develop sufficient DETERMINATION to gain the power to SAVE
Whatever you think of UTY's endings, this is one thing they got exactly right

>>720683871
I really wish this was canon to Yellow, honestly. And maybe true pacifist is a non-canon ending where he lives and is harder to get.
https://youtu.be/_JZE7URQt5I

>>720684265
What's that body "Chara" has at the end of the genocide route?
Unless you're suggesting Chara got up and full-tilt sprinted to the castle all the way from the ruins, the logical answer is that it's just an apparition.
Same story with the lost souls, just apparitions of their essence, albeit a different part of their essence from "Chara"'s.

>>720683394
>also has a lot of important characters too, 9 to be exact, but only half of them are chapter/disk/act bosses
A few of my ten either don't have fights or are route exclusive fights. Then again, Sans is a geno exclusive fight, and Alphys never gets a fight at all.

>>720673460 (OP)
Top has Papyrus, top wins easily.

>>720684348
>He clearly learned from it and cut out the middleman. You can't get more direct than the SOUL being "Me," even if some contrarian schizos will still pretend otherwise
These types of comments make me wonder how people would react if there WAS another middleman or player-insert character and he doesn't regret Chara at all. Reactions would be funny.

>>720684280
The "Weird" route. Not as thorough as UT's genocide route, outside of chapter 2 anyway, but the general theme of the route is the same, doing terrible things and breaking the story because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.

>>720684451
Chara IS SOULLESS.

>>720684280
The weird route is its geno equivalent.

>>720684265
Anon you're explicitly reaching out into Asriel's SOUL and trying to save the other SOULs that he's brought into himself, it's not a physical location with physical (magical) bodies any more than any of the other rainbow bullshit going on in that fight
I think this is a stupid argument and there's no meaningful distinction in whether or not Asriel technically killed everyone but that is definitely not part of what's happening there

>>720684578
I hope there is a subversion and you need to do the weird route to get the best ending (the weird route itself isnt said ending, just a step to it)
would make deltarune the opposite of UT thematically where you HAVE to do everything to reach the end instead of just doing one route and be done

>>720684564
There's been exactly zero evidence of this more than halfway through the story and plenty of reason to believe otherwise, so yes people would react strongly to that suddenly getting pulled out of his ass

>>720684348
I think that anon was what the thematic reason behind including it was.

>>720684348
I completely agree with you from an in-universe perspective. I am just salty from a narrative point of view that the power of vigilante killing is stronger then the power of friendship.

>>720684640
I know numbnuts, that's why I said a different part of their essence. A person's being is divided into at least two components in UTDR, the body and the soul. Lacking one, a person can still exist as just the other, albeit in a very limited capacity. We see this with Flowey, who only has the essence of the dust his body turned into, and we see this with the human souls, who are literally just souls.

>>720684006
OK but one of the main points of the Undertale is that the only way to free the monsters is by sticking to pacifism. Violence is literally not the solution, the only way out is peace. Genocide is yet another dead end. You cannot miss the point harder than to make it the only way out.

>>720684451
I figured Chara was so powerful at that point that he just willed himself back into existence in front of you, after first erasing the whole world except you and him.

>>720684713
Toby would literally never do that.

>>720684550
this

>>720677639
Asgore would never even bother defending himself because he feels wholeheartedly that people hating him is the right response.

>>720684564
Disappointment, mostly.

>>720684895
yeah and all those people that "figured out" deltarune before 3 and 4 were right weren't they

>>720684656
>>720684578
Weird isn't just "not genocide" because it doesn't require you to murder absolutely everyone, it's also because it hasn't had any significant impact on the story up to now. And because genocide is ultimately a meta-commentary on players who do things like that simply because it's an option, while weird is shaping up to be a conflict between in-game characters (Kris, Soul) more than it is about the player forcing themselves on the narrative.

>>720684578
The Weird Route isn't about you doing it because you can. Its about you doing it because you need to make a real choice that matters, regardless of how horrible that choice may be. Its freedom at any cost.

>>720684760
The story has barely focused on anything involving why Kris has the SOUL. Most of Undertale wasn't focused on Chara, either. You need to remember the "true name" Easter Egg wasn't well-know AND that first person narration also existed in Undertale. Even though I don't personally believe Toby will do it.

>>720673460 (OP)
What the fuck is the bottom row? Some kind of cowboy fangame?

>>720684818
>You cannot miss the point harder than to make it the only way out.
The point of UTY *isn't* for Clover to make it out alive, the point of the story is what they had to give up in order for the happy ending in UT to be possible.
You kinda spelled it out yourself.
"Violence is literally not the solution" is exactly right, it's a selfish way out that even Clover's having trouble with by the end. It's not peace, it's not a solution, it's just violence for the sake of violence. It's injustice.
The alternative, doing things peacefully, is the actual main point of the game, the selfless route where you give up your soul in the name of others.

>>720684895
That's why he'll do it.

>>720685084
>Some kind of cowboy fangame?
if only anon, the cowboy segment is very short

>>720684961
Reverse Undertale theory was right on the money.

>>720684849
>after first erasing the whole world except you and him.
Ah yes, after that thing they explicitly only do after they finished talking to you, of course.

>>720680423
Frisk - Boy
Chara - Boy
Kris - Boy
Clover - Boy

>no verification required

>>720685125
So is it a fangame? I've heard too much about this Undertale Yellow and I have no idea what exactly it is.
I always preferred OFF, frankly

Still waiting for Hard Mode

>>720685003
It is about you forcing a ship on the characters who don't want it.

>>720685061
>Its about you doing it because you need to make a real choice that matters, regardless of how horrible that choice may be. Its freedom at any cost.
So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.
Maybe you'll develop self awareness someday pal, I believe in you.

>>720685247
>So is it a fangame?
you think tobias would have made a spinoff already when he is taking literally decades to finish deltarune?

>>720678856
>One of which got its own containment board and the other is a skeleton
>Generals minus a very select few actually remain talking about the game itself instead of sharing the same old porn images and ERP
/vg/ was the most retarded thing they could've done in the long run

>>720679773
Toriel would wind up starting a second human/monster war, she'd rampage around and come back to find every other monster wiped out in her absence. Monsters can be killed by just hostile intent and she would be creating it on an industrial scale.

>>720685163
He erased your player character and save at the end. He already erased most of the world, Frisk was just the last part of it.

>>720685305
No, but I've heard so much yapping recently about UT Yellow. Like way more than you hear about any other fan game.
No one ever cared about HOME, the OFF fangame. I haven't even played it.

>>720685247
>I've heard too much about this Undertale Yellow and I have no idea what exactly it is.
Prequel fangame about the justice/yellow soul (the one who fell before Frisk), it has its flaws but its also pretty good if your are looking for more Undertale/Deltarune content

>>720685230
The gayest option, desu. Or a furry.

>>720685270
>So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.
Its not because I can. Its because I need to, regardless of whether or not I can. I'm not doing it to see what happens. What happens doesn't matter, all that matters is that something happens.

The motivation is the key difference.

>>720685247
It's a fangame. It's fully complete, but it's not as good as the originals. Only play it if you REALLY like Undertale.

>>720685230
This is obvious to anyone without extremely severe identity issues.

>>720685256
Kris obviously has issues with the Soul from before the game begins and still has them even if you're not doing Weird Route. Kris is an established character who has lived in the Underground years before the player shows up, he's not a blank slate like Frisk was.

>>720685390
Chara only destroys the world, not Frisk. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to sell her soul.

>>720685494
To be fair. OFF really doesn't give you a motivation to want more at the end. If anything it makes you wish you played less so you hadn't killed everybody. Undertale's got that major appeal with its characters and world, so people do want to see more of it and hang around in it.

>>720685494
UTY is the only finished full length fangame that isn't an AU/retexture so it stands above the rest by default just by existing

>>720685592
I mean, none of the humans are (you). You don't need to share genders.

>>720685256
>susellefag still this broken

>>720685635
You sell (you)r soul. Not Frisk's. You were just letting Frisk use it.

>>720674717
flowey is probably the only one in the top row who isn't depressed and even that is debatable

reminder that ceroba is fat

>>720685539
>Its because I need to
>all that matters is that something happens.
So in other words, doing it because you can, and because you can, you "have" to.

>>720685702
No. It's Frisk's soul. She isn't a soulless homunculus, and humans can't have two souls. Also, Chara controls her body once she has ownership of it.

>>720685318
/vg/ was the prototype for /trash/, in the very long run, it is where mods threw every subcommunity they didn't want to have a presence on /v/ itself (if your game is big enough, like final fantasy 14 or the sonic series, then announcing bloody rebellion against the mods is typically plenty for them to back down; even pizza tower managed to resist a forced /vg/ move for long enough to fizzle out naturally with the completion of a gijinka mod for the game's collectibles)

for reference on homestuck general the mods are so completely and thoroughly raped by that general that they stamp it out whenever possible no matter the board and no matter how infrequently that board is actually moderated, even /trash/ has homestuck threads deleted on-sight and that board receives almost no moderation at any time unless it's a US law violation global-report

>>720685648
Yeah that's how I felt.
I love OFF to bits, it's one of my all time favorite games, but its story is complete.
Undertale, well I guess I'm not personally dying to see more of it; hence why I've never cared about Deltarune enough to play it, but there is a world there which you can see more of.

>>720685763
Flowey hates his existence and is wholly incapable of killing himself

>>720684447
Make true pacifist be Clover living at the end and then Flowey berates you about how it's "a nice notion but we both know this isn't how the story ends."

>>720685256
>kris cactus theory
>noelle wanting a ring from Kris
Oh, they want it. Just not in the way you are doing it.

>>720685494
It's because Undertale fans are autistic and this game has furry OCs.

>>720685808
actually the homestuck general is back due to the new cartoon announcement

>>720685230
True
True
True
True

You got four correct in a row, that's rockin'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UNMgENyMUo&list=RD1UNMgENyMUo&start_radio=1

>>720685915
thank god, i am eager for the mods to get bent over a counter again by organic shitposting that refuses mod intervention

>>720685890
Undertale appeals to autists and gays.
Deltarune doubles down even more, which is why I've never been particularly interested in it.
Undertale still had some of the Yumme Nikki/OFF vibe of being weird, atmospheric, and not entirely friendly. Deltarune seems too 'safe' for a lack of a better word.

>>720685592
Hate to break it to you but the people without identity issues just project whatever they want and aren't arguing about it online at all

>>720685621
What does that have to do with my post?
also
>Kris
>Underground

>>720686057
I never really understood myself on why male humans are particular popular on 4chan and mostly here. This the only place where people genuinely argue male Chara. It always gave me insecurity vibes but idk.

>>720685686
Nah. Krusie is probably what will happen if they don't all die by the end. Suselle is just a cope Noelle latched onto because Kris isn't willing to date her.

>>720686158
>I never really understood myself on why male humans are particular popular on 4chan and mostly here.
If you had to guess, what do you think this site's demographic looks like? How many women do you think regularly spend their evenings arguing on /v/?

>>720685763
Papyrus and Undyne are doing pretty well all things considered. Mettaton was depressed, but now he's living his best life.

>>720685784
You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

>>720686268
I mean, there are plenty of men that waifufag the humans (like me). I just assume 4chan is filled with gay men and furries.

>>720686089
It's not "you" forcing anything. It's not genocide. Your agency as the player is only enforcing the wills of characters who already exist and have their own motivations.

>>720686219
I really don't care about the shipping wars, but I want Suselle to sink.

>>720685825
Its mainly that Undertale is a nice world to be in. I wouldn't mind living in the Underground with Papyrus, Undyne, Asgore, and Napstablook. (provided the monsters weren't all trying to kill me). You couldn't pay me to live in any of the zones in OFF.

>>720686378
You're literally saying that you're doing it "because you need to", and that you're doing it because "something happens".
Frankly, I'd be surprised if you could even pass the mirror test at this rate.

>>720686454
This.

>>720685872
They like each other, but aren't willing to act on it. The rape allegory here is basically (you) grabbing them, shoving them together, and forcing them to just fuck already.

>>720686158
it's something self inflicted by chara waifufags being usually like this over the last 10 years
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/1488.%20%20%20Chara%20did%20nothing%20wrong./
here's a random charafaggot example

>>720686454
i think suselle is gonna end up being the crux of their interactions with eachother, insofar as noelle is NOT subtle at all about wanting in susie's panties to any character BUT susie where she has some restraint, and she's still making a lot of moves against her that just go completely over susie's head (and/or susie is deliberately ignoring them, susie is awkward but not necessarily socially incompetent, small talk is within her capabilities)

noelle is either going to crash out about susie having no interest in her but as a friend or she's going to get outright rejected i think, even worse if some attraction to kris is implied or stated on both girls' ends

>>720674281
>they passed school without google
>implying roba passed school

>>720686584
So it's just 4chan related mental illness, then. I think people being influenced by mentally ill schizos is cringe desu

>>720686018
Deltarune takes a lot of influence from Yumme Nikki and OFF. The central conflict of the game is heavily inspired by OFF, there's a smiling cat character which may or may not be a reference to the Judge, there's that 1225 room, which is very Yumme Nikki, Gaster is Uboa, and it has all of its own original weird stuff like deer rape or the Mantle games.

>>720686693
I've seen some pretty stupid people make it through school.

>>720686708
nah, you charaniggers did this to yourselves
it doesn't help that chara is barely a character in the first place so most of the shit you people attribute to the character is completely made up and not in the game in any way

>>720686584
...but it's the retarded chara waifufags arguing that chara is female on /v/, though

>>720686410
Just because someone has some dark desire in the back of their mind doesn't mean they actually want to act on it. I get intrusive thoughts all the time, but I damn sure don't want to jam my finger in a light socket, kick the wall a dozen times, smash every glass bottle I see, and punch every brick wall I walk past.

>>720686892
i was explaining one of the reasons people will say chara is male, it's something that chara waifufags here inflicted upon themselves over the last decade

>>720686891
Are you the anon that was seething over Chara during the thread? I think you need to take a break of 4chan or something. I think the mentally ill schizos might be affecting you. It reminds me of people that hate Undertale because we have a bad fandom.

>>720686791
What degree did roba earn in college?

>>720687030
first of all multiple people can think you're an annoying nigger you know
second of all i think you need to take a break from living but we both know you won't do that so i'll keep calling you an annoying nigger

>>720686578
Anon, the genocide player wants to do genocide because its there and he wants to know what happens. He can't just leave that whole route of the game unplayed.

I do the weird route because I want freedom. I wanted freedom before I was presented any chance at all. And I would still want it even if I was never offered a chance. I just saw my chance and took it.

Genocide is because there's this thing dangling there, tempting the player. The weird route is the player lacking something that he desperately needs, then going out of his way to seek it out and find it.

>>720686892
Honestly I don't understand why Chara attracts so many mentally illness in both haters and fans alike. I am glad I am a Friskfag, we are mostly ignored.

>>720686693
>>720686791
Roba dropped out so she could marry Chujin

>>720686932
Which is a meaningless argument to make because, again, the established characters are Kris (Normal Route) and Soul (Weird Route). You can't get Kris to do anything bizarre of any lasting impact, you can only get Soul to interfere.

>>720687123
?
I was just saying you might have an irrational hatred for a fictional character because of mentally ill anons, but you shouldn't let them influence you to not be like the people that don't play Undertale/Deltarune because of bad fandom. Chill, man.

I feel the need to shill this channel
>https://www.youtube.com/@sockmuppet568
Although the theories he talks about seem insane, they do make a lot of sense.

>>720687241
Well I got Kris to make Noelle murder Berdly, then got Kris and Noelle to rape each other. That seems pretty significant to me. Even if you want to count the soul as another degree of separation, at the end of the day, I still caused this change in the narrative.

>>720687312
>Although the theories he talks about seem insane, they do make a lot of sense.
Isn't that how Jevil and Spamton are described by the other characters?

Announcer:

"Kris!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCRFIeU8C-w&list=RDkCRFIeU8C-w&start_radio=1

>>720687312
Hack theorist that regurgitates old 2016 theories for newage fans.

>>720687294
most of undertale's bad fandom doesn't post here, they hang out on sites i avoid or containment zones like /vg/, so they don't affect me
obnoxious charaniggers (and human waifufags in general) have been shitting up UT/DR threads for 10 years across multiple imageboards so of course that will annoy me and make me think that these non-characters are fucking dogshit, because not only are they non-characters but they attract secondaries who are legitimately obnoxious as fuck, a lot of them don't even like the games in the first place either

>>720687312
peak kino but I'll never understand why he uses an anthropomorphic sperm as an avatar

>>720687596
You seem to have anger issues. Sadly, we can't control who posts things we like or not, but we can control how much that affects us. Personally, I wouldn't let 30+ schizophrenic year olds affect me over a decade.

>>720673460 (OP)
As much as I love the original cast, I would have to choose Yellow PURELY for Martlet. Pure wife material.

>>720673862
>most of the bottom row have aura
english zoom zoom

>>720686018
I agree. Undertale had this feel where you fell into this hostile everioment and had to escape, while Deltarune is an adventure with friends.

>>720687691
and it sounds to me like you're trying to defend yourself while pretending to be a third party so how about you simply stop being an annoying nigger instead?

Just found this on youtube. Looks neat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WrOl-hrr6M

>>720686510
OFF's world is deliberately designed to be unlivable. The only food is raw meat and sugar, the 'air' is just smoke and the water is just liquid plastic.
I feel those are indicative to a thematic element about environmental degradation.

>>720687826
they have skibidi rizz

>>720687979
I will say this in no way to offend, but you speak like a rape victim of those charafags. I genuinely think you shouldn't let them have this much power over you.

>>720686778
There's a difference between being inspired by something, or even referencing something, and being similar to something.
While Deltarune still pays plenty of homage to OFF or Yume Nikki, it's very disimilar when it comes to tone and atmosphere. Which were the core components of both of those earlier games.

Deltarune is very friendly, you play as these very defined characters who have their own friendships, you're never really alone.
It's a lot more like Earthbound in that sense.
An enormous, inseparable part of OFF and Yume Nikki is that feeling of isolation.

look dude im going to take a shit in your lawn every day from now on and if you say or do anything about it that means i raped you okay?

>>720688362
>Treating 4chan as your home
Kinda cringe. It's not that serious.

>>720686892
Chara does sound much more like a woman's name.
Kris also sounds like more of a boys name, but the spelling makes it more vague.
>>720687183
>Why does /v/ like the concept of a genocidal ghost loli
gee, idk Anon.

>>720688134
I thought of it as being more to do with dream logic. People walk on metal, drink plastic, eat raw meat and sugar, and think nothing of it. Its clear those things, as horrid as they, are the proper way in that world. That's how things are supposed to be there, and how they've always been.

To me, its meant to establish that this world has its own rules, and it doesn't matter what does or doesn't make sense to you, because this world works in its own alien way.

>>720688435
famous first words

>>720688304
I agree it takes more influence from Earthbound than it does from Yumme Nikki and OFF, but I don't think that ratio is any different in Undertale than it is in Deltarune.

>>720687410
Oh yeah, while Deltarune wants to give the feeling that your choices don't matter, they totally do.
>got Kris and Noelle to rape eachother
that's really in the game?
I'm new to Deltarune, and frankly that's the most interesting thing I've heard about the game so far.

>>720673460 (OP)
which one has that purple spider girl i'd like to fuck

>>720688443
But /v/ seems to HATE loli Chara based on this thread, though.

>>720687727

yeah, I dont know what it is but she fucking latched on to my very fucking soul like no character before

>>720688435
oh so you're a literal tourist newfag, i see
now return straight to leddit, i don't care if you have things you want to post that are too spicy to post there that would get you banned or make you lose all of your gay leddit gold, you need to kill yourself then go back in that order

>>720688570
You don't know about the weird route?

>>720688542
Undetale shows a lot more similarities to OFF at its core.
I mean the theme of Undertale, every thematic element, is tied into the concept of player culpability and choice particularly within an RPG. Even most narrative elements of the game play into that.
And that theme is also a very significant theme within OFF. Albeit only one of several core themes in that game.

Deltarune's core theme about player choice, and therefore people's freedom or lackthereof in real life, is not featured within OFF.
Combine that with the tonal changes, and Undetale is much more OFF-like than Deltarune.

Which makes sense since Deltarune, I believe, was thought up a bit before OFF hit the Tumblr mainstream.

>>720679941
>Oh cool, I love chainmail bikinis
>Oh no, that's a penis
I'm not sure why I expected anything different.

>>720688453
>and how they've always been.
Not necessarily, remember there is that book in the Zone 2 library which reads 'I have run out of oxygen' and the flashbacks in The Room show a world more realistically covered before the guardians (and probably even the queen) took control.

So it seems, if you take OFF's world literally and not as an analogy, that the world used to be normal, but got transformed into the grotesque state it is at game start over time.

>>720688805
I haven't played it yet, I've only recently learned about the weird route.
From what I've heard it seems like a really neat concept.
Don't you have to do a bunch of weird, esoteric bullshit to get on that route?

Can you leave the weird route similarly to how you can leave the Genocide or pacifist routes in Undertale?

>>720680638
It's the most popular take for a reason. It just fits.

>>720689114
Once you get Noelle in your party, walk left and always use iceshock.

>>720689220
I like to think of Frisk to be kinda like Pat from that SNL bit.
Where absolutely no one but them knows if they're a boy or a girl.

>>720689279
Isn't that the 'snowgrave' path or whatever it's called?

Ah fuck I should probably just play the game.
Though I never even finished Undertale. I got to Asgore, sucked at the bullethell mechanics and gave up 10 years ago.

>>720689395
Play again and beat Asgore. Stay determined, you must be better than what you were ten years ago.

>>720688570
>that's really in the game?
Its not a literal rape, but you do mind rape her, and its accompanied by a very heavy handed visual metaphor for rape and a textual rape metaphors.

You go into her room, possess Kris, corner her on the couch, grab her hand, hold her down, and put the thorn ring on her finger, which was already established as a metaphor for a wedding ring earlier in the game. Then it cuts to black and shows a rose being deflowered. (later this was changed due to twitter freaking out to a glass breaking effect that turns into thorns, which I swear looks like violent morning stranger).

>Oh yeah, while Deltarune wants to give the feeling that your choices don't matter, they totally do.
They do, but they don't. You can make choices, but they never amount to much. At most, a character whose role in the story has already ended gets to optionally stick around and spout flavor text in castle town. And anything that could have a meaningful impact always railroads you into one outcome.

The one exception being the weird route. You have to exploit and break the game to find it, but once you do, you can really break things. The whole thing is framed as you exploiting a minor gap in the game's baby proofing to go completely off the rails. You mindbreak Noelle, kill Berdly, completely derail the plot of chapter 2, and even cause lasting effects that show up in chapter 4 and are implied to continue into chapter 5.

>>720687312
"Writing on the Wall" is pretty much just slandering Alphys with no real evidence
"How Do You Kill A Time Traveler" is very cool (especially treating it as a hypothetical outside the context of Undertale) and does a great job presenting Sans's perspective on the whole game which a lot of fans still don't really understand. But I can't agree with the idea that Papyrus is basically just pretending to be retarded, it's an interesting angle but the game doesn't really support it

I'm only really interested in self-critical theoryslop where they try to acknowledge and test the evidence against their ideas but I do appreciate someone sticking a new perspective out there for people to draw their own conclusions about, even if it's kind of hack shit.

>>720689114
Yes you do. You should probably stop reading this thread if you want to do it spoiler free. There are a lot of very major spoilers discussed here. You already heard one of them.

>>720689010
I never noticed that. Thanks anon.

>>720689481
>you must be better than what you were ten years ago.
I don't know, I really only play strategy games. I am really good at Civ 5, but pretty dogshit at most traditional games.
I did 100% Spelunky HD though. Which is the height of my gamer cred.

>>720689905
Undertale is piss easy and you can make it even easier by getting the temmie armor if you're really bad.

how to get manlet wife????

>>720690121
>manlet wife
I'm gonna give you a chance to run that one by me one more time

Ten years since Undertale came out, that's crazy.

10 years back, when I played the game, I mostly did it because I girl I was desperately in love with was obsessed with the game.
I got close to beating it, but school obligations and other games I wanted to play, I guess I got burned out.
I was in 7th grade then,(23 now) she was in 8th. It was the end of the year and I knew I wasn't going to see her again.
During that following year she'd show up in my dreams all the time, but progressively becoming more distant. Eventually the dream would just consist of me seeing her across the street and being happy that I knew she was still around.

I haven't fallen in love the same way since.
I'm not sure it's going to happen.
It's a crazy feeling. She wasn't the type I'd normally be attracted to, but whenever I looked at her, it was as if she was just a radiant sphere of only the best feelings, with each individual feature only poking out once at a time. Each detail only furthering that adoration.

>>720687857
The first chapter of DR had some oppressive undertones to it, with the whole "your choices don't matter" thing, mysterious Gaster stuff, and the cold open to a similar but different UT world feeling very off. It's not quite the same as a serial murderer trying to steal your soul followed by the suspiciously nice Toriel, but I do think it comes across as somewhat more sinister than the later chapters.

>>720674281
I'm trying to guess the meaning of claw marks on the phone. I guess it's Toriel's phone, that's why she swipes right so much?

>>720690665
I wouldn't be surprised if things get much darker and scarier by the end.
It's not a complete game still, so perhaps it's just that we're still stuck in the nicer chapters. The Snowden of Deltarune, if you will.

>>720690283
>I got close to beating it, but school obligations and other games I wanted to play, I guess I got burned out.
the game is like 5 hours long

>>720687857
Said friends include:
>soulless quiet kid who carries a knife and works with a villain
>a girl who told him his mother doesn't cares about him, then tried to bite his face off
>some kind of suspiciously friendly non-entity with a severe lack of empathy and unknown agenda
>a girl whose hobby is torturing her virtual pets
>and, worst of them all, Berdly

>>720691012
Oh, I agree. I always thought the earlier chapters were building up to something darker, and chapter 4 is where we actually dip our feet into the waters. I can't wait until we're drowning.

>>720691360
I got stuck on the bosses a lot.
And pretty frequently I'd get bored and get into another rut of playing a strategy game for a month straight. Like Crusader Kings or Civilization 5, or Eu4

>>720690205
>manlet wife
Sounds like people really can't keep their hands off Sans.

>>720691380
>some kind of suspiciously friendly non-entity with a severe lack of empathy and unknown agenda
This could refer to multiple people.

>>720692421
maybe he meant Kris

>>720692963
I'm talking about this chucklefuck

>>720689481
Alright I redownloaded the game after 10 years.
First I'm going to do a psuedo evil neutral playthrough, kill who I want to kill, and then I'll do the pacifist true ending methinks.

>>720694529
Just a murder-heavy neutral route, no genocide?

another day that was intended for finally playing shades of justice taken up by other responsibilities. I look upon this bird in sorrow.

>>720693062
It could be mooch too

>>720694529
Just curious, why bother with the neutral routes at all? I don't think they change very much outside of a couple specific scenes that only happen when you kill certain characters.

>>720695192
Mooch is a woman though

>>720695454
and what a woman

I've been calling Kris a guy for the past seven years but reading up on The Girl theory is making me rethink everything.
Holy fuck it makes so much sense. The game makes you want to think its Susie, but for dataminers it should be Noelle because she can use swords, but Kris fits this the most. The Girl is supposed to use ribbons, that's Kris' defining characteristic.

I've seen people say "Oh Toby would never do this by making it so Kris wasn't nonbinary." but they don't actually know Toby.
I played the Halloween Hack, I saw how Toby subtly hinted at Dr. Andonuts being gay and he did that in a time where that wasn't ok. It's not brave to have a nonbinary character, that's the standard corporations will do nowadays for a bit of cheap pandering.
What I think it is is that: Kris is a girl, arrived to Hometown, no one knew what to make of her at first and Toriel had to read the book about humans. Everyone just took to calling Kris "they" though and she's shy enough that she wouldn't correct them. Meanwhile Toriel just keeps giving her Asriel's hand-me-downs and you can tell Kris is upset by this by how in the Dark World the wardrobe is full of clothes where she can wear whatever she wants (people always use that as an example of her being LGBT, no she's just frustrated that she gets nothing of her own). No one ever cared enough about Kris to really get to know her, Susie's the first true friend Kris has had in this awful town
Here's going to be the big kicker though, it'll be revealed that Kris never was nonbinary and that everyone just put their own biases on her. Not just the monsters in hometown, but the fanbase who either aggressively said not to misgender "them" or thought Kris looked too much like a boy, and those people's assumptions were harmful. That's an actual statement the likes of which Toby would do.

>>720691380
Honestly, when you lay them all out like that it starts to look less like a group of friends and more like Kris is being gradually recruited into the world’s weirdest cult. Like some twisted Breakfast Club hosted in a dying timeline, and every member is just slightly more unhinged than the last. If Berdly ever starts a podcast, that's when we know the apocalypse is coming.

>>720696889
That's assuming Toby made Andonuts gay because it was bold and improper, and not because he just likes gay shit.

>>720695075
You'll get her eventually, anon

>>720698649
bird justice for all

>>720696889
>>720697284
he did it because he's a prophet and knew that it'd let him make andonuts say faggot and not get canceled years down the line.

>>720698794
Why is Asgore so wide?

>>720699428
I still want to know as well

>>720698794
>bird tools
But how does she use them with just wings

>>720687596
>>720686891
Chara has more dialogue than any character in undertale.

>>720700487
Biology is more of a suggestion for monsters.

>>720674503
Why are you wanna be janny ass niggas on EVERY single video games thread?
Do you just want every video game discussion to be moved to /vg/? Like what is the fucking POINT?

>>720695217
Well the first run I was about to complete was a neutral run.
So for the sense of completion I'd like to finally complete what I started 10 years ago and never finished.
>>720694784
Eh, a genocide route isn't very interesting to me. I've always been bad at the bullet hell stuff, so I'm not intrigued by the boss fights.

>>720673460 (OP)
>top row drawn like shit
>bottom row, drawn with care
fucking mogged

where's return to form

I once saw someone make their own sprites for the UTY cast based on how they thought Toby fox would do it, and most of the cast looked pretty much the same but with some minor improvements, except for Ceroba, who was taller, wider, and didn't have any shoes on.
What did they mean by that.

>>720702673
this one?

>>720702713
>>720702673
I assume drawing the toriel comparison or something

>>720702713
Yes, that one.
Also, man, they really just didn't touch Axis at all, huh?

>>720702651
Anon...
The last chapter was 2 months ago
Have an image while you wait

>>720702796
I guess, but that still feels like a very specific detail to change.
Hot though.

>>720702823
can't improve on perfection

>>720703056
I agree, Axis' design is actually pretty good from a visual standpoint and fits in very well with the UT universe and art style, but it's also just kinda funny that all the other characters got some pretty radical redesigns while Axis is basically exactly the same.

>>720702874
I know I just wanted more, I need my kanaclover fix
guess I'll finally read shattered decade (and suffer while waiting for updates there too)
if only ochre tides was published but the creator keeps saying its coming "soon(™)"

>>720680974
>tony
m8

>>720704180
Yeah, Tony Fox, what about him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ3xXqgF6Lk

>>720704063
That doesn't really look that good from that image
Is it actually worth reading

>>720704725
not sure but it has spawned some fanart with kanaclover like pic related so I'm willing to give it a go

>>720702651
>>720702874
>>720704063
is undertale really just the fantasy of living in furry land surrounded by chicks?

>>720704798
no, thats the power of the fanfictions that come about in the wake of undertale.

>>720704798
Sometimes, yeah.
Other times it's about a skeleton dude.

>>720704798
If you want it to be

>>720704798
The most unrealistic part of Undertale's world is that more humans didn't regularly throw themselves into the underground just for a chance to get with an anthro lady.

>>720701079
Same but I like the boss fights and bullet hell. I am a permanent easy mode player.

>>720705040
Undertale famously has no good fanfiction at all though. Especially if you like Chara. Though now that sans is getting dunked on by deltaroon it's hard to truly be miffed at mishandled sans. Sans has gathered so much animosity by being bonecest and skele yumejoshi shoujo b8 and donut steels that I figured maybe toby would make us like him again. Instead he decided to make us hate sans even more. Incredible job.

>>720707351
Mhm.
Uh huh.
I know some of these words.

>>720679935
I like how this video started out somewhat normal and then went completely off the rails.
>>720707351
There's no GOOD fanfiction but there's no shortage of mediocre fanfiction. In line with most fanfiction about cutesy media, it tended to have a lot of dark and edgy fanworks. "Flowerfell" and "Flowey is a Bad Life Coach" both come to mind and I hadn't read them in years. Was there any decent light-hearted fanfiction?

>Dalv got an oil on canvas painted of him
Fujos are fucking insane. And dedicated. Insane, and dedicated.
And why do they care so much about this guy?

>>720707982
>Was there any decent light-hearted fanfiction?
I thought Dogs of Future Past was alright.
It had some darker moments but overall it was fairly light.

>>720707987
>And why do they care so much about this guy?
Because he isn't implied to end up in a relationship with anyone, or have any sort of feelings towards anyone whatsoever, which makes him a good candidate for shipping with basically anyone.
Mostly other men.

>>720673460 (OP)
Martlet is my wife

>>720708128
Someone's getting off to this.

>>720708157
I just think it's funny that the bird is marker-shaped

>>720707982
The one I liked involving Chara has light hearted content but that stopped very quickly in favor of a long and drawn out conflict involving sans and gaster. He's just not a compelling antagonist especially given it undermines sans reason for being depressed. I just want to have Chara narrate some stuff for frisk in a crossover rather than always be the edgy murder fanon child or sans sex slave.

>>720708128
What would happen if you took off the lid?
What would a Martlet-scented marker smell like?

>>720707982
Oh. And there's lots of fanfiction I would consider good. The issue is none of them are undertale related.

>>720708293
>sans sex slave.
Have you been on the internet again lately?

>>720708370
No one publishes fanfiction in the local barns and noble. Though many are better than anything you'll find in one regardless.

>>720708601
>No one publishes fanfiction in the local barns and noble.
Okay, not to be that guy, but wasn't Twilight technically a really roundabout fanfiction of something else? That's just what I've heard thrown around a lot, no idea if that's true or not.

>>720687727
There never was a choice; Martlet claims another victim. She is the ultimate UT waifu and singlehandedly mogs the rest of the cast.

>>720708743
It was rewritten from a fanfic with almost nothing in common but the target audience. Something a lot harder to do with shoujo shonen and kodomo power sets and worldbuilding. You can't, for example, easily port a sailor moon fanfic and ship it.

>>720708905
Alright, I see.
So the fanfic it's derived from, what's it a fanfic of?

>>720674365
Yes.

Besides, blame the magicians for leaving a obvious hole in the barrier.

>>720679867
It is canon, but I prefer to just ignore it.

>>720676618
It's symbolic.

>>720707351
>Undertale famously has no good fanfiction at all though.
I tried looking around a few times. Found a Gravity Falls fanfic that was alright. Like Caretaker Chara and some other comics. Enjoyed one or two storyshift comics.Most AU´s don´t really do much for me though. So I find it hard to care.

Considering writing a epilogue/sequel about Chara's ghost after the player leaves them behind.

>>720702713
>Ceroba looks more like Ran
I buy it.

>>720691380
My actual friend group right now is:
>A depressed Russian obsessed with X-Com.
>A happy Russian who is both way weirder and way smarter than the rest.
>A sterotypical self hating hispanic texan.

That is the LEAST weird group of people I've been part of, btw.

>>720673460 (OP)
I choose the top row, theyre more stable that the little shits on the bottom row, toriel would be a nice mom, sans is fun, papyrus is a great friend, undyne is nice when she doesnt try to kill you, would be fun to hang out with alphys, mettaton is whatever, and asgore can be chill.
Meanwhile, clover is whatever, dalv is an antisocial weird schizo who isnt that fun to be around with, martlet is retarded and it would be dangerous to trust that she wont break your important shit on accident, starlo will string you along on his cowboy larp adventures for hours, ceroba is stupid and would prob try to kill you anyways, all it takes is axis malfunctioning for him to fucking kill you, and you're stuck with flowey either way.

Also, if you were to open up about your emotions to the uty cast, especially if you're suicidal, martlet, starlo and ceroba would most likely encourage you to take the rope because it would be noble, and dalv would simply be unhelpful or just say "same" at best.
At least you'd have Papyrus to cheer you up.

>>720674365
Asgore Dreemurr would end up facing jail after the true pacifist ending because of the political outrage that would be caused from asgore having killed 6 kids, and because he isnt conservative nor a human, he would actually face a sentence.

>>720711058
Nobody in universe really seems to care much and it's implied most of the kids were runaways/suicidal anyway.

>>720710982
>Also, if you were to open up about your emotions to the uty cast, especially if you're suicidal, martlet, starlo and ceroba would most likely encourage you to take the rope because it would be noble
Okay, them letting Clover do it with relatively little hesitation wasn't great, but the context there was entirely different, they wouldn't just let you An Hero yourself in any random context like that.

>>720711058
>because he isnt conservative
Well he is a reigning monarch, so he's at least a little right-wing by default, just a very old kind of right-wing.

>>720675784
>>720676229
Uhuh, i'm totally sure that the blue soul kid who called out for help as she was murdered and had to revive in a time where her family and friends have already died of old age will have no issues with the fact that the monsters killed her!

>>720711154
>Basically let his wife run the show
Eh...

>>720711167
Should have been more determined, bro.

Frisk died like, what, twenty times during the average playthrough going by youtube and nobody cared.

>>720711167
nobody cares because she's black
>b-but that's racist
yes, and?

>>720711183
He's into being cucked, that's basically the core of most right-wing ideologies.

>>720711332
Yeah, but it's ussually it's the king doing the cucking.

>>720677082
If it was supposed to be a perfect golden ending, then asriel and asgore wouldve gotten their happy endings, undyne wouldve been honest to papyrus about not wanting to let him be in the royal guard, muffet would be punished after all the things she has done (including her threatening that one donut guy who lost all his money because he was forced to buy an overly expensive donut), nd sans would stop feeling like shit.
Its not hard to believe that there would be actual shit going down behind the scenes after the ending, its the same with multiple other games where you can tell that the characters will still suffer a lot of shit related to the setting theyre in even after their perfect golden endings.

>>720711458
It's mostly a overwelmingly happy ending that largely resolves all of the problems with the universe. It has room for a sequel but it's pretty pointless.

>>720678867
There wouldnt be monsters popping in to watch during the mettaton ex whenever the human kid or mettaton get wounded if they didnt have malice, its pretty clear that they were just pushing propaganda with the whole "monsters have no malice!!" thing in the book

>>720711581
Monsters are genuinly pretty lacking in malice though. They are mostly just kind of stupid.

>>720680149
Toriel is not tyrannous enough to obliterate her own people to forcefully stay in power, she isnt like mettaton.
Ofc she would back down instantly.

>>720682167
>>720682339
Flowey can just kill martlet off screen to get clover to go to asgore during the neutral run, and even gets free access to the human souls during the flawed pacifist ending, its not theorically impossible for flowey to get clover to asgore.

>>720682590
>>720682956
Because the uty characters deserve it, thats why genocide is objectively the good ending there

>>720711847
>even gets free access to the human souls during the flawed pacifist ending
I hate to rehash an argument from a previous thread (so soon anyway), but at that rate, why doesn't Flowey just take the souls as soon as Asgore pulls them out at the start of his fight in the original UT instead of waiting for you fight him then?
Regardless of the actual reason why, the fact of the matter is that he doesn't for some reason, and that applies to a lot of things Flowey could've done in the original UT, so Flowey not winning by default in UTY isn't lore breaking by any means, since we know Flowey still has a tendency to fuck things up even when things should be going his way.

>>720685256
Noelle enjoys it, and if kris grows numb because of the power (similar to how LV works in undertale), they might end up enjoying it too just like how eram said they would.
I believe that the weird route is meta commentary on how fandoms usually modify and warp the og media story's canon in order to make their ships happen during their ship fanfics, so basically you're breaking the prophecy and the canon route's intended events in order to make kriselle happen.

>>720712296
I think it's mostly a commentary on how shallow the romance in games like Baldur Gate 3 or Mass Effect is.

>>720712372
>Mass Effect
There is not a single phrase in any language more romantic than "We'll bang, okay?".

>>720712460
Not actually in the game, sadly.

>>720712296
Kris enjoys harming Noelle. He basically has serial killer tendecies and the player is letting him go wild.

>>720712004
>why doesn't Flowey just take the souls as soon as Asgore pulls them out at the start of his fight in the original UT instead of waiting for you fight him then?
Because he wants to give you the hope that you're going to either find a way to befriend Asgore or use his soul to leave the Underground before taking it from you.

>>720711581
>There wouldnt be monsters popping in to watch during the mettaton ex whenever the human kid or mettaton get wounded if they didnt have malice

>>720688570
The rape thing is a metaphor, obviously kris doesnt actually put his dick into noelle, but the allegory is there, noelle starts backing off scared, kris gets closer as noelle is paralyzed out of fear, then kris stabs noelle with a thorn (a weird run related object), and then an animation happens which seems like a shattered hymen (the animation used to be a rose's petals falling off which represents deflowering, but it was changed in a patch, with the patch notes saying "while keeping the scene's intended meaning", which means that it IS supposed to be a rape allegory, but it was too unsubtle to the point where people thought it was literal rape), afterwards, kris goes the bathroom and beats us down. Its pretty obvious that its meant to represent rape while not being actual rape.
By the way, later on in the chapter, if you think about noelle instead of susie, you see a black screen with a red dot, with noelle saying "thank you..." (its shaky text) then the screen goes red and the scene changes back to kris freaking out over what they just saw, and of course, its pretty much implied that noelle was fingering herself during that scene.
Basically, the weird run is about allegories and that kind of shit, makes you wonder how a deltarune yellow weird run between clover and kanako would happen...

>>720690283
You can still try, there are plenty of fish in the sea, as the grillbys fish npc guy from undertale would say

>>720695217
To see all the differences between what happens if you kill the bosses or if you spare the bosses

>>720702823
Removed shading

>>720712968
Yeah I always thought it was intended to be a rape allegory, Toby changing the graphic was more so him trying to assert that the rape is more metaphorical. While he can be a edgy fucker I doubt he wants people to think that he inserted a actual rape scene in his game.
You have to remember that Toby inserted sexual imagery and themeing since the beginning of the route. For fuck sake Spamton calls Noelle your side bitch and other provocative terms.

>>720711332
Most leftists are bigger cucks than right-wing people, if anything, itd imply that asgore dreemurr is a leftist

>>720713220
>While he can be a edgy fucker I doubt he wants people to think that he inserted a actual rape scene in his game.
Even if he did want that, doing this would just cause the game to be rated AO, which makes it so that deltarune cannot be sold in stores and shit (aka, toby wouldnt be able to sell deltarune on the Nintendo switch) so he HAD to change the animation either way because it was too direct.

>>720713423
Sure.

Well, I'd say this weekend went much better than last time.
Good work everyone.

>>720681920
Don't worry. I checked. It doesn't work

>>720682001
>Except it doesn't and you can't say
You know every one of my correct reasons, but there's no way I'm going to go dig up the archive or retype them for the same faggots that seethe in every UT thread even though they've only played the hckin yeller feller fan game.

>>720682138
The power to reset is held by a single person at a time. Flowey can do so, but you never play as him. Flowey is talking to Chara not the player. He stays with Chara at her grave in the end.

>>720682339
The entire problem with uty is that flowey automatically wins. It's just that the devs are retarded. The moment yellow dies is the moment flowey can get his soul. That's all it takes.

>>720682615
People don't dislike yellow because it's fanfiction we dislike it because it's a bad prequel to canon. Also if someone wanted to make a fanfic and gorillions have tried I wish at least one faggot could write a chara fic that isn't dogshit.

>>720683486
Toby deliberately made Chara the stand in character in order to fake it out. Chara is the narrator.

>>720684317
Based shoujo heroine appreciator.

>>720714897
What would you want from a Chara fic?

>>720709485
Twilight.

>>720707351
>and skele yumejoshi shoujo b8
The ONLY reason I care about this is because these fangirls draw some very pretty Frisks.
>>720707982
> "Flowerfell"
Also like it simply because of the cute Frisk fanart.
>>720713878
Yeah, these threads aren't half-bad. It was actually pretty fun discussing things like revival theory relatively drama-free.

>>720714705
>You know every one of my correct reasons
I certainly do, all zero of them, counted them myself.

>>720709485
Oh shit sorry I thought you were talking about the twilight fanfic 50 shades of gay. No I'm pretty sure regular twilight was never a fanfic.

>>720715069
Wait, so what's a fanfic of what then?

>>720710784
Canon Chara chooses to stay behind with flowey. Caretaker is egregiously awful, and if you write anything, let me know if you'll hit 100k characters. Though if you are going to write anything like caretaker I won't read it

>>720715102
50 shades= twi

>>720714897
Nah, I don't mind Yellow at all. It doesn't fit canon but I really don't care if a fanfic fits canon or not. In fact, I think Yellow would've been better if it ditched canon more like genocide did.

>>720714832
>flowey automatically wins
Totally, except for the part where Flowey canonically makes mistakes in his plans all the time even when time manipulation isn't a factor because he's nowhere near as smart or powerful as you constantly suck him off as being.
Just because he has control of the timeline in UTY doesn't mean he'd automatically win eventually. As I said before in this thread, unlimited attempts at something doesn't necessarily guarantee success, it just means you can keep butting your head against a wall as many times as you like.
Infinite attempts doesn't suddenly make the impossible possible, and Flowey getting his hands on any of the souls prior to the events of Undertale was impossible.

>>720715215
NTA but there's nothing stopping Flowey from just sniping Clover at the start and absorbing his SOUL. Yellow doesn't fit canon and that's A-OK.

>>720715289
>nothing stopping Flowey from just sniping Clover at the start and absorbing his SOUL.
Except for Clover resisting Flowey's attempts to absorb them in every timeline where he tries to do so.

>>720715370
This is something Yellow made up, but there's nothing in canon suggesting a SOUL can resist being absorbed, just that they can share control. Plus, if Flowey does it at the start Clover won't be determined enough to resist. Didn't even the devs agree that Flowey breaks canon?

>>720715418
>there's nothing in canon suggesting a SOUL can resist being absorbed
The player sure resists Flowey's attempts to take their soul in Undertale.
>if Flowey does it at the start Clover won't be determined enough to resist.
Clover resists being absorbed even at LV 1, if you do a neutral route by killing a few robots in the steamworks. Clover initially came to Mt.Ebott out of the pursuit of justice for the other fallen humans. If Flowey tried to absorb Clover's soul the instant he met them, they'd probably think that a similar thing happened to the other fallen humans, and that'd just make them even more determined to resist and fight back.
There's no sequence of events where Flowey can obtain Clover's soul, it simply isn't possible.
The ability to see every outcome to a given situation doesn't help if none of those outcomes are what you want, and that's the situation Flowey was in in UTY.

>>720715118
>Though if you are going to write anything like caretaker I won't read it
Nah, the basic idea is that after True Pacifist the player basically leaves Frisk and Chara alone. The player leaves, frisk goes on to live his life, while Chara expects to pass away to the afterlife... but then she doesn´t. She spends two years wandering around as a ghost through the world, as monsters and humans slowly start to reintegrate. Not really doing much other than observing, making scary faces at people that can´t see her, and wondering if this is her fate for the rest of eternity. Until, suddenly, she encounters somebody that can actually see her.

Story is mostly a relativly mundane Urban Fantasy story mostly focused around Chara and a few OC characters(Though Undertale characters do appear and Frisk is frequently mentioned as Chara often checks in on how things are going with her). A lot of concepts are used and expanded, and a lot of attention is spend on the nature of magic and what exactly Chara (As well as Flowey) actually are now that they are souless. As well as other non monster supernatural phenomeon.

>>720714832
In the neutral ending Flowey can't absorb his soul because it actively resists him

>>720715561
>The player sure resists Flowey's attempts to take their soul in Undertale.
No, that doesn't happen? Flowey never absorbs Frisk's SOUL in anyway.

>>720716047
Flowey's fight when he has the six human souls is very specifically him trying to wear Frisk down and take their soul, he literally says as much before his fight starts.
That's what the process of him trying to take Frisk's soul looks like, and Frisk resists, and so does Clover in UTY.

>>720717219
No? It's just Frisk fighting Flowey normally. The only reason Flowey didn't absorb her SOUL was because he was playing with her, not because he couldn't.

Ah, looks like we've hit the bump limit. That's a shame, I was kinda hoping this one would last a little longer into Monday than that.
Guess this one went by a lot faster than the others, eh?

>>720717404
>It's just Frisk fighting Flowey normally.
Yes, a totally normal fight, which is exactly why it looks and plays nothing like any of the other fights in the entire game, because it's completely normal in every way.
Were you born this stupid or did you have to work at it first?

>>720717475
We literally see the fight start like any other. The reason it's different is because Flowey is super strong in that form. Heck, in Yellow we see Flowey kill Clover before their fight, which doesn't happen in Undertale.

>>720717670
>We literally see the fight start like any other.
The only thing the fights intro has in common with any other fight is the way the soul appears, and that's not an indicator of anything.
>Heck, in Yellow we see Flowey kill Clover before their fight, which doesn't happen in Undertale.
He does that to access Clover's soul, since Clover didn't step forward to fight him the way Frisk willingly steps towards Flowey in UT.

If the fight against Photoshop Flowey is just an ordinary fight like any other, where does it take place? What physical space are they occupying during the fight? What's up with the individual soul segments, where do those happen?
The answer is obvious, it doesn't take place anywhere because it isn't a standard fight, it's Flowey attempting to absorb Frisk's soul in his own realm that doesn't adhere to normal battle standards.

I have deltatroon fatigue

>>720717945
>If the fight against Photoshop Flowey is just an ordinary fight like any other, where does it take place?
Same place of the Asriel fight, the VOID. You are trying to apply Yellow rules back to Undertale to justify yellow in a closed confirmation loop.

>>720718115
Why does Photoshop Flowey physically vanish during the soul segments? Why does he let Frisk interact with the souls directly at all instead of just going through his main attack patterns forever until Frisk gives up?
Past a certain point, arguing that Flowey is actually as powerful as you think he is implicitly means arguing that Flowey is so terminally retarded as to intentionally fuck up every single one of his plans, and that's fucking stupid.
The logical answer based on in-game evidence as well as just basic storytelling is that Flowey *isn't* an all-powerful mastermind, and in fact has very hard limits to his capabilities and foresight.

>>720718039
this behavior vexes me