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>financially successful movies
>didn’t kickstart a new era of games like their predecessors before them
What gives

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful

>>723624242 (OP)
Because the sequel saga had about as much cultural relevance as a fart in a hurricane

Every single movie earned less and less, lost fuckton of goodwill
these movies killed one of the most profitable franchises ever

Because the second film was so bad it nearly killed the entire franchise. And nobody gave a fuck about the third cus of it. And even the first one is only okay because it's a literal beat for best retread of a new hope.

>>723624242 (OP)
they were "financially successful" only because you cant refund the tickets. Even hardcore fans fucking hated the direction it went during the second movie, let alone the third. There would be no PR to it.
and even then the "success" was not as big as the original series, which, with disney tax on top, means it was a loss and not profitable to license it out as much as back in 2000s.

>INCREDIBLY CULTURE DEFINING TV SHOW
>takes 10 years for game to be made

>>723624242 (OP)
>What gives
disney killed the ip stone dead

>>723624242 (OP)
>>didn’t kickstart a new era of games like their predecessors before them
Disney had EA churn out a bunch of shit including, most infamously, a Star Wars themed Sims 4 expansion.

>>723624242 (OP)
because the movies were shit

>>723624412
The combat was abysmal but the story is on-par with the books. If any game actually needed a remake, this is the one.

>kathleen kennedy let a giggly little internet troll have full creative control of the most expensive franchise in human history
>He killed it, devaluing the company by literal billions of dollars
>She gets to keep her job
>He gets to keep making movies
There's only one skill that matters in life and it's networking.

>>723624317
The movies made billions off the casual "friends/date night out" MCU crowd, yeah.
It's the merch that sold like shit thanks to how trash they were and where Disney mis-gambled the LucasFilms buying price.

>>723624583
>>He gets to keep making movies
He literally hasn't made a movie since then.

>>723624242 (OP)
Their first mistake was giving EA exclusive rights to video games and not turning themselves into a publisher like Lucasarts was.

>>723624242 (OP)

Because that evil fucking bitch Kuntleen Kennedy and her minions hate the franchise and its fanbase and why we got trash like Star Wars Outlaws when the most logical thing would have been to make a Han Solo game.

But then you'd have to play as a white straight male, who they hate, also, notice how that shit Indiana Jones game (that you forgot about until I just mentioned it) was an FPS.

Know why that was?

It's because they wanted you to be able to PUNCH NAZI'S but be able to self-insert by imagining that those were their fists which they couldn't if it had been 3rd person and forced to play as a white straight male.

You have no fucking idea just how demented these fucking NPC's are with their ideological bullshit that revolves around hating and attacking white straight males because of their Daddy issues!!!FACT!!!

>>723624646
The last Jedi made a net profit of 420 million, do you consider that to be a success?

>>723624830
To be fair, apparently Return of the Jedi never made a profit so already they're doing better than Lucas.

>>723624979
Lucas made billions from merchandise, Disney can’t sell anything that’s not Vader/Kylo Ren

>>723624979
Return had a budget of around 30 mil and made a profit of around 500 mil. The issue was that Lucasfilms accounting department fucked around with the models so they didn't have to pay bonuses to the actors.

It's peak disingenuous to say they were successful. Yes each movie made a profit, the 1st had mega hype and people wanted to see the 3rd for completion; but everything surrounding the movies failed horribly. Toys didn't fly off the shelves, the new park attraction wasn't a huge hit, and multiple spin-off materials were unprofitable. It's done irreplaceable damage to the brand. The most being you pissed off conservative parents who will now likely not show any star wars to their kids.

>>723624740
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle is a good game with a story better than the shit Yidsney movie. It's not an FPS and I never once even touched Indy's pistol.

>>723625502
>The most being you pissed off conservative parents who will now likely not show any star wars to their kids.
Not really. There hasn't been anything offensive about the new Star Wars movies to conservatives. Probably the most ridiculous thing is the actor for Lando claiming the character is pansexual but they just pulled that shit out of their ass and isn't in the film at all. The problem is their kids just don't want to watch them because they're fucking boring.

>Originals are built on a strong aesthetic foundation where you see each of the movies build on top of it, setting an example people working on EU can follow
>Prequels bring in completely new aesthetic elements which get expanded upon by each of the installments, expanding the scope of material people in the EU can work with
>Sequels trample over EU and replace it with literal rehashed designs from OT
I remember pre-Disney Star Wars EU was seen as hit or miss with a lot of junk in it, but Disney somehow managed to make something worse than even the lamest things from the old EU are more palatable.
>Super duper Death Star that destroys FOUR PLANETS
>Star Destroyer... WITH A DICK CANNON
>AT-AT, but he monke
>Body positive Executor-class SSD
>Featuring the Ba-Sing-Se siege drill from Avatar: The Last Airbender
I don't even know what bullshit they had in the last film.

I am still mad about
>Jan Ors was a character in EU who helped get the plans of the Death Star? Oh wow, I didn't know that, but no, she has no relation to our new hero who was involved in getting the Death Star Plans, Jyn Erso

>>723625780
I am not mad anymore. I do not want the rat to touch any of the EU.

>>723624412
There was that Telltale game that stopped right when it was about to get good.

>>723624242 (OP)
modern game devs cant make games fast enough these days for them to still be relevant from the time from release of the film unless the game is rushed out and bad
longer dev times from not being able to slap some polygons together and call it a background ruins it

>>723624726
>Force Commander
KINOOOOOOOOO

>>723624242 (OP)
Because it was complete and utter garbage. No locations that would make good worlds/levels and no one wants to play as any of the new characters.

>>723624704
Yes he has? The two Knives Out movies.

>>723625780
>I don't even know what bullshit they had in the last film.
An army of Star Destroyers that all had a Death Star canon.
I think they got destroyed because they couldn't fly anymore after Palps died or something like that.

>>723624583
>>kathleen kennedy let a giggly little internet troll have full creative control of the most expensive franchise in human history
I don't actually think he did have full creative control, simply because TLJ is littered with small script issues that could easily have been spotted and fixed by peer review and weren't. I'm not talking about colossal full retard moments like hyperspace ramming, but little details like finn and rose being able to traverse the galaxy in a shuttle without being spotted, despite the whole plot being about them desperately needing to escape and being willing to sacrifice their ships to do so.
This is the sort of thing that a round of script revision ought to have spotted and devised a handwave to. You'd throw in a line justifying why it happened, even if it's not particularly convincing, just to keep suspension of disbelief up. It's not alone, either. Not even close.

This, to me, indicates that the script never so much as saw an editor, possibly not even for copy edits. If that's the case, it's highly possible that it was a mandated script that was considered off limits to editors. Given that TLJ most encompasses the seething contempt lucasfilm has for the IP as a whole, I don't think it's outside the realms off possibility.
It would certainly explain why it's the only movie that never had a script leak; almost nobody but the actors with traceable scripts ever saw them.

>>723625780
>Jan Ors
Shit like this is probably what annoyed me the most; Disney trashed the EU and said none of it counts, then they turn around and either steal directly from it (e.g.Thrawn) or they bastardise it and actively make it shittier (What do you mean the fall of the Empire results in a massive power vaccum with local Moffs seizing control and a stumbling new Republic having to contend with growing pains? That sounds gay, let's just make the Empire again, but with funny hats)

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful movies
thats not necessarily a good thing. A lot of people just saw how shit it is and it ruined the IPs reputation. Not to mention that pumping out TV show slop makes the IP feel less premium and cheap

>>723626424
Pretty sure I heard Rian say somewhere that he essentially used the first draft of the script, or that the first draft was like 90% of the final script, or something insane like that.

>>723626053
Too bad, this furfag gets to take whatever he wants from it to rape it even more with a wolf knot.
You rike?

Disney immediately giving the license to EA was one of the baffling decisions I've ever seen in my life. In the last 14 years, we've had like 4 games.

>>723624242 (OP)
They are shit. Simple as.

>>723624583
I can say with confidence that KK has some hidden leverage or info on the old vanguard of Hollywood elites otherwise she would be out eons ago.

>>723624242 (OP)
Because star wars is a dogshit franchise who's only worth has been a tiny handful of videogames and there hasn't been a good one since long before Disney bought it.

>>723624583
Someone on /tv/ once said that KK is a CIA plant or something. I laughed him off because that's ridiculous. But sonetimes i do wonder, what unholy power lets someone remain in a position of authority after a full decade of billion dollar failures?

>>723626607
It did make sense financially, since at the time EA were the kings of paypig milking, and despite rumblings they still had normalfags lining up for fifa and madden.
It was just an absolutely insane mask off moment that made it clear where their priorities were, and EA giving them a royal PR clusterfuck just before TLJ landed was just icing on the cake.

>>723626776
I'm still angry in my bones about all the people who swore up and down that the buyout would be good for Star Wars. If only they knew.

>>723626645
I still maintain that beneath BFII's spastic launch and absolute paypig milking, there's a good game.

>>723624242 (OP)
I forgot they had made new life auction star wars movies

>>723626727
I wouldn't be shocked at this point. If she's lost literal billions, let alone the horrendous opportunity cost she represents, she must have blackmail material somewhere.
However since she keeps aggressively fucking up rather than consenting to be kicked upstairs, that blackmail material must be some combo of seriously fucked up and aimed at someone high up in the company.

That's the sort of shit that people can get killed over.

>>723625665
It's not overet woke other than some stronk female shit, but it's devoid of conservative values which are in the OT more than liberals want to admit. Regardless young boys are not interested in it and all the stronk woman crap didn't get the girls. I'm a new parent so my kids are too young, but I'm not going to bother even with the OT/PT unless there's some major course correction. Other parents I know don't seem eager for starwars too.

>>723626390
my favorite bit about this retarded bit is that they needed some giant compass to let the star destroyers fly up as if they couldn't do it themselves

>>723626852
It certainly wasn't good for star wars but the property's best days were behind it already anyway. Lucasarts might as well have been dead considering they were all in on that fucking 1313 Uncharted clone dogshit and no movies were in the works so the only major piece of star wars media coming out was the terrible cg clone wars show. Granted, the property kinda petering out under Lucas's ownership means it could have had a revival at some point whereas Disney has torn it to shreds so thoroughly I'm not sure it'll ever recover.

>>723626053
I am just baffled how every single major franchise was fumbled.
>>723626390
>>723626482
They fuck up the timeline with the events of Sequels, no stealing from EU will save them. And it seems obvious they don't understand the nerdy aspect of the setting when they do shit like that.
They don't know how to build a franchise. Lucas knew even if EU wasn't his goal.

I guess think that people who buy lego sets think like
>I saw this movie, I want to buy this to be reminded of the movie, it was such a highlight of the movie, the movie was great and with this I will be able to tell others how great the movie was.
instead of
>This was such a cool ship/walker/tank/scene from the film, I wish we could see it do more cool stuff! They could make some great setpieces and scenes with this! Man, if I get that other set I could kitbash some cool designs
And while there are enough people who think like the former, only the second will become invested in supplementary books, comics, vidyas, stageplays, ARGs, forum discussion, and buy merchandise about that.

>>723626607
And two of them were remakes that weren't any better than the originals. Not to mention that Disney of all corporations had to step in and bitchslap EA for being too greedy and to tone it down. Now let that sink in.

>>723627358
>I guess think that people who buy lego sets think like
I guess that they think people who buy lego sets are like*

>>723625665
My coworker’s kids love the OT and PT. They were stoked to see the PT rereleases Disney has been putting in theaters. But he never mentions them liking the ST. That’s because good storytelling is timeless and bad storytelling is forgotten to time.

>>723627317
>ancient sith dagger that perfectly pinpoints the location to go
>on the wreckage of the death star 2
>that crashed onto the planet long after the dagger was created

>>723627518
It's The Force, I ain't gotta explain shit

>>723627317
the sequels were a mistake

>>723627518
>muh farce
I hated it too. Patently absurd. The entirety of 7, 8, and 9 were an abomination.

>>723627358
I just want my fucking Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron movie or TV series. Andor gives me some hope that they can still make a decent TV show as long as the showrunner is willing to do his own thing and tell everyone else to fuck off

>>723624726
This is the biggest issue. Having one studio be allowed to make star wars games is monumentally stupid, they should do the 40k thing and just license the IP out to people to qualify.

>>723627358
The key problem they have is that they've completely lost any sense of trust. Even if they nuked the entirety of the ST and NuEU, they still have the same people helming it.

Disney Wars had the buyout honeymoon period, and that ended with TLJ. Some people gave them another chance since the trilogy wasn't finished.
They had RoS to try winning people back, but they half assed it while vindicating everyone who said TLJ fucked everything up. A smaller amount gave the mandalorian and later Andor a chance and it started getting positive word of mouth
Thy had the tv series, but once those started getting popular Filoni barged in and started shoving his OCs in. People were getting pissed off, but Kenobi seemed like a slam dunk.
They had Kenobi, but he got cucked out of his own show to go through a pointless arc nobody needed to see. With this, and with Mando S3, Booba and Ahsoka showing Filoni was just as bad as kennedy, even the most delusional copers were running out of excuses and LF was completely out of names they could milk.
The ACKolye finally showed that, after almost a decade of fans making it clear what they hated about NuWars, LF didn't give a shit and would barrel forward anyway.

>>723627601
>an image implying youre a powerscale faggot
>literal arbitrary numbers devoid of context
powerscale fags are a blight.

>>723627601
It always makes me laugh that even the average fanfiction writer has a firmer grasp on what not to do with an established IP.
If you've got a top dog hero and top dog villain, you absolutely don't seek to one up them with your own character Get the torch passed by the hero, sure, defeat the villain, absolutely, but you don't just walk in and declare your OC (do NOT steal) is bigger and better than all of them.

If 16 year old girls on tumblr could get this 15 years ago, how the fuck do these retards not?

>>723624359
>lost fuckton of goodwill
This is the most damaging thing of all.

>>723628058
>that pic

>>723627317
>JJ doesn't understand distance and scale
Baffling that he somehow got to direct both Star Wars and Star Trek.

>>723628120
I refused to see the final movie after The Last Jedi; what fucking sequence of events sets up a fucking cavalry charge against starfighters?

>>723627358
I got this with more pieces than the nuDeath Star for a third of it's price. And it has even an interior.

>>723628307
It's never explained, for some reason there has to be a ground battle on the hull of a star destroyer in the air and all the turrets are too busy shooting at the ships to notice the ships landing right on top of them

>>723628307
The 6 billion star destroyers that just appear are ready to leave but they cannot fly up and require a space compass to let them know which way is up to the sky. They ride horses to run across the star destroyers to destroy the giant compass whilst palpatine is cooming lightning into the sky

>>723624830
You're acting like they got the Star Wars IP for free. Wren you add that to the production cost, they lost a shit ton of money. The Disney+ shows were doing ok for a time but eventually tanked, the 2 ginger Jedi games did alright but everything else like BF2 was horrible. The Star Wars part of Disneyland might be doing ok but their hotel was a gigantic disaster.

>>723627665
There's a Starfighter series with Ryan Gosling in production.

>>723628307
There is no set up. The sequels are just random gibberish thrown at the screen to make audiences clap.

>>723628286
This has bothered me for a decade and will always remind me that Abrams is a hack and Disneywars was doomed from the outset.

>>723628513
>the 2 ginger Jedi games did alright
This gave me such schadenfreude. They've made an immense effort to push their idpol agenda, only for the only semi-successful games to have a white male protag.

>>723628601
Gingers aren't real white people.

>>723628334
I would be pissed if I was a Lego exec, all that money left on the table because of how uninspired the sequels were.
These EU designs would have been a good alternative, if they didn't get nuked into oblivion.

>>723628692
They just keep selling prequel and OT sets and it works. As a legofag, I cannot remember any large or expensive ST set

>>723628601
The most incredible part is that when Sam Mags tried to interfere and make the love interest gay, the writers actively told her to fuck off and confirmed she was straight next game.
EA, of all fucking people.

>>723627518
It was carved on an existing dagger after the crash but yes it's still retarded

>>723628692
The point of lego was supposed to be build whatever you want. The second they started making very specific lego pieces that only work for a specific licensed object they already fucked up.

>>723628146
Got a problem with xer?

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful
They literally destroyed the #2 most lucrative brand on the planet

>>723628650
How so? Wouldn't they be the true white people as only whites can have that trait.

>>723628857
Weren't all the clones troopers exact copies of some guy?

>>723627193
>Let me make this /pol/ and explain to you how today's political climate applies to these scifi movies from the 70s and 80s and their prequels from over 20 years ago
I hate you people so much

>>723628650
>Gingers aren't real white people.
They are more white than blacks.

>>723628806
Yeah, even then it still doesn't make sense. The death star would slowly sink over the course of three(?) decades, parts of it rust due to the salt water.

>>723628917
>as only whites can have that trait
Who told you that?

>>723628586
Oh shit, really?

>Shawn Levy directing and Jonathon Tropper writing
>Set 5 years after Rise of Skywalker
oh fuck

>>723628929
Yes, except the defective ones.
It's a pretty funny own goal.

>>723628586
>Drive but in space.
The goose will save us!

>>723624646
The last Jedi tanked mulitple other projects, including several 100s of millions lost on Solo and actual billions lost on theamparks and hotels

>>723624242 (OP)
Only the first movie was truly successful. The others weren't busts but they made significantly less than TFA

>>723629063
Even the brief production synopsis reeks of garbage. Oh joy.

How do you even save SW now? Whoever you sell it off to is going to be worse than Disney and Disney is either spiteful or incompetent with the IP. Id say change public domain laws so anyone can fuck around with it, but no corporate entity on the planet is gonna allow that?

>>723628692
As far as I know, the only EU sets Lego ever did were Starkiller's Ship (Force Unleashed), Anakin's Custom Starfighter (Clone Wars 2003) and the TORtanic sets, along with the Revan/Malak minifigs, I suppose.
There's a market for it, but I feel like Disney has them on a leash.

>>723629294
Who fucking cares? Star Wars was something my grandpa cared about. Just let it go away.

>>723624740
>But then you'd have to play as a white straight male
harrison ford is a greedy kike

>>723629294
>How do you even save SW now?
Unironically, make new stories. The reason I personally hate SW is because they are taking the stories I loved (and still love) from the earlier movies and games, and they just bastardize them.

Let the old lore rest and build something new.

>>723628929
Exactly, these dumb shits get so far up their ass to slap trannies and gays everywhere that they accidentally end up saying that sexuality and gender identification are 100% by choice

>>723629294
Make a new era that's actually stylistically unique to OT and PT and hope the new designs catch on.

>>723629337
Not like they have much to work with now.

>>723629294
LEGACY OF THE FORCE, LET'S FUCKING GO

>>723624830
For Disney needing an $800mil recap margin to begin with, it's anything but a bomb. Every normalfag possible still went to watch this slop everytime.

>>723628857
>Clones are all the exact same guy at the genetic level
>umm ackshully we have an OC that's trans
Ugh. people who insist everything needs to revolve around gender and all that crap are everything wrong with modern entertainment.
there are as many appropriate contexts to insert a trans character into the story and make it work, so of course they always choose the places it cannot ever work.

>>723629294
It's genuinely fucked up beyond repair because of Disney's pride and spite keeping them from just leaving shit alone. It's impossible to enjoy High Republic because it's more focused on being a prequel to other stuff than actually being it's own story

>>723629294
All you literally need to do is get rid of everything Disney and Filoni were involved with and that puts you back to post-RotS Star Wars.
From there you just adapt the Thrawn trilogy and maybe another story from the EU era while you work on how to move forward.

>>723628857
The funniest thing is creating a female clone that is actually a woman...but still pandering to trannies with a long haired man. Imagine being a troon, honestly.

>>723629627
>Make a new era with an unique style
>He doesn't know about their High Republic attempt
All I'm going to tell you is that one of the characters is a talking, force sensitive rock and no, I'm not fucking with you.

>>723629894
>we lost Delta Squad for this

>>723629294
1) You sell it
2) They decide to retcon all of the stupid shit and say it never happened, or was just a fever dream
3) That's it. It's their IP, they can do whatever with it.

>>723629763
I'd be in favor of this.
Also, ditch the Skywalkers as a centerpiece. There are millions of other stories to tell and forcing everything to revolve around them is not a recipe for success, as we've seen.

>>723628120
WHEN THE WINGED NIGGERS ARRIVE

>>723629294
Regardless of who owns it, the first step is to clearly and without any room for doubt distance it from disney. You need to hammer home that shit's getting retconned, not just shelved and not mentioned, and the people responsible will never hold authority again.
Then you announce a project that connects to the OT/PT but isn't part of it. Let people know that you're not going to make the same mistake and immediately warp the bits people still care about, while also letting people know the tone of the franchise going forward.
Then you need to add in blatant fanservice to what you're advertising. Let people know that the sneering cunts who think the IP is beneath them are never getting courted and will hold no influence whatsoever. All the shit people knew was cool when they were 12 and let themselves forget, throw it all in.
Then you let people go crazy with games, with the only mandate being that moral lectures are off the table.

Then, once the public is willing to extend you an ounce of good will, you adapt something like the Thrawn Trilogy, tweaked only so it can slot in with the PT

>>723628862
Yet the #1 most lucrative brand puts out dogshit games nearly every year and sales only grow.

>>723630361
>All the shit people knew was cool when they were 12 and let themselves forget, throw it all in.
I don't get why this isn't obviius to these "writers". The things that were cool at 12 still are. Isn't this the main idea behind games and movies; escapism?

>>723629294
Go back 20 years and borrow everything that was objectively better and try to ignore the shit EU stuff

>>723630543
>and try to ignore the shit EU stuff
You're everything that's wrong with the franchise.

>>723630516
Their pride and ego's primarily prevent them from acknowledging that, yes, the shit we thought was cool when we were kids is still fucking cool and you don't have to act superior and above it just because we aged.

>>723628601
>Make a proper MC who's not a chosen one, in fact barely passes as a Jedi, struggling through fights while trying to re-learn Jedi teachings. Still by the end he couldn't even touch Darth Vader.
>Turned out to be more compelling than strong independent wahmen Jedi Jesusina who become stronger than fucking Luke Skywalker after 5 minutes of training and managed to defeat literally everyone in the galaxy
People know when a story was written instead of shat out

>>723630584
Bro the old EU had alot of dogshit in it. What Disney is doing is just that much worse.

>>723630241
That’s another one of Star Wars biggest problems. It’s supposed to be this massive galaxy but only focuses on a few select characters and their families. It would be like if LotR only focused on the Baggins and Aragorn or Star Trek only focused on Kirk and Spock.

>>723624242 (OP)
>>financially successful
N

>>723630096
Almost, they *murdered* Delta Squad for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3wcG251GwU

>>723624830
>net profit of 420 million, do you consider that to be a success?
for a jew this is a money loss, but i do with I could get even 1/1000 of this.

>>723628650
nigga, update your racism.exe to a new version. Gingers were not white in 2000 but now they are white compared to most whites.

>>723630516
They think they're better than that. Keep in mind that a lot of writers are hired due to connections, not talent, so they have a massive chip on their shoulder.

>>723628307
I'm the same way. Never watched Rise of Skywalker, but somehow I know the entire plot and it all sounds terrible. It's a movie that was hastily made to fix the series after TLJ tanked all of JJ Abrahms plans to copy the OT to the letter. Half the fucking film is damage control.

>>723630716
Exactly. Admittedly, the average audience member is a dullard that requires the Hero's Journey character vehicle they can latch on to, and the OT/PT served that well. But we've done that now; move on. The world is fleshed out, the rules are established... go anywhere, tell any story, break a rule or two to give it an edge, have fun with it.
I'm just tired of the tropes, man. Yes, wonderful -- we have *yet another* juvenile Chosen One and his (her, these days) ragtag crew of social misfits banding together to defeat the Omnipresent Evil. Thanks.

>>723630714
I haven't read all of the old EU and I likely never will, it's impossible. But saying that most of it was bad is just factually incorrect. You sound like those guys who randomly bring up Luuke or the dude with lightsabers on his elbows and use that as an argument against using 30+ years of stories.

>>723629294
An answer thats never been explored: let Star Wars remain dead for a minimum of 40 years. Everyone that ruined it or wants to ruin it will be dead or have moved on. That means no movies, comics, TV show slop, no books, merchandise. Nothing to indicate to the public that SW is even a concept anymore. Then bring it back. Allow people to heal and forget the mediocrity of Filoni, Kathleen Kennedy, Disney and the woke tribe. Theres a mountain of content to revisit or explore again and discuss before the Disney buyout anyways. We still fucking discuss things like the Jedi Academy, KOTOR, TFU, or prequel movies here or even ships and locations in SW.

>>723631659
The funny thing is that this where the series was going until the buyout. Lucas wasn't going to greenlight anymore films that weren't cartoons so the franchise was basically going into hibernation.

>>723631659
This needs to happen with every major franchises that cot corrupted during the woke era. You think Star Wars is bad, try being a Trekkie. That franchise was always more progressive so it got hit the hardest by woke.

>>723631823
As an aside, if I wanna get into Star Trek what seasons is best?

THEY FLY NOW

>>723631921
For me it's gif rel

Rise of Skywalker was so bad that people didn't even go crazy trying to defend it like they did with The Last Jedi.

>>723632018
That was a fucking wild time.
The sheer hubris lead to a lot of mask off moments that people didn't forget

>>723631893
Either TOS season one or TNG season one. If you start with TNG you get all the worldbuilding but can enjoy the show on its own merits. If you start with TOS it will heavily impact your perspective of TNG.
In other words, I recommend starting with TNG and powering through the heavily flawed first season.

>>723624379
>nearly
It did kill it thougheverbeit

>>723624830
>The last Jedi made a net profit of 420 million, do you consider that to be a success?

In comparison to the franchise overall, no, while it damaged the brand, BTY, how are those toy sales?!?FACT!!!

>>723631985
It's really rare to see such a blatant attempt to assassinate and then bury a character.

>>723632018
>Hate on it online, now I'm a russian bot
Hy cпacибo, блядь.

The answer is very very easy.
Disney signed an exclusivity deal with EA so only EA could make games with the star wars license.
EA shat out Battlefront and then sat on their hands until Respawn managed to convince them to let them make Fallen Order. Then they shat out Battlefront 2 microtransactions edition and another Jedi game, before Disney came along and said "ok fuck you, we're taking it back and letting others have a go"
They reopened LucasFilm Games and they're doing an excellent job at mismanaging the IP.
Long story short? Disney is retarded, EA is lazy and the reformed LucasFilm Games is incompetent and retarded.
Star Wars as a franchise has just been categorically mismanaged

>>723632204
It really was. Odd cultural zeitgeist turning point, where more people were not believing the lies being told to them.

>>723631514
>luuke and luuuke
Laughably silly shit, especially with how competently written the rest of the Thrawn Trilogy is overall.
Kinda weird how abruptly it ends with no great resolution. Hard Contact still the best stars war book.

>>723626424
>>723626548

It was based on his first draft!!!FACT!!!

>>723632293
>before Disney came along and said "ok fuck you, we're taking it back and letting others have a go"
lol no. the exclusivity contract ran out, that's it.
the only time disney actually cared was when BF2's PR clusterfuck go to big that it was harming the IP itself, which is ironic given what they were about to release.

>>723628526
>Even Yoda can barely block Sidious' lightning
>Rey just casually babbles blocking it with one hand, then pushes back no big deal
Cringekino

>>723632207
>I recommend starting with TNG and powering through the heavily flawed first season.
TNG it is, thanks fren.

>>723632018
The lost script with "unphotoable" printer ink was one of the most pathetic and embarrassing things ever

>>723632398
I thought that Disney actually took it back, but it was extremely close to the expiration date.
Maybe I'm misremembering. Either way, those retards have fumbled the most sure-thing franchise

>>723632204
>>723632351
The Last Jedi reception was the moment the dam broke. People lied to themselves and said TFA was great even though it was mediocre at best. TLJ was genuinely a shitty movie and that clashed HARD with the idea that the Disney Era was going to be amazing and the narrrative that nothing can be worse than the prequels. The fact that they tried to blame the Russians for the hate (at the same time as the election started ramping up btw) was the most desperate hail mary attempt to control the narrative I've seen from a big company.

>>723624242 (OP)
Either the balance of the Force was not restored, or it is being restored, so everyone will get a boot.

>>723626727
>Someone on /tv/ once said that KK is a CIA plant or something. I laughed him off because that's ridiculous. But sonetimes i do wonder, what unholy power lets someone remain in a position of authority after a full decade of billion dollar failures?

It's because BOB IGER IS A FUCKING JEW with subversion and demoralization being a Jews bread and butter, so I have no doubt that fucking rat wrings his hands behind the scenes saying "He-he, you like that goyim? (that word meaning CATTLE and what Jews think of us!) and you wonder why they've been the most hated and despite group of people over the last 2000 years!?!FACT!!!

!!!FACT!!!

>>723632204
>The 'last jedi' backlash provides a useful primer in how not to watch a movie
Thanks media, I didn't know there was a right and wrong way to watch a fucking movie.
Pretty wild that there's probably a good amount of people who learned to not trust the media because TLJ got so glazed by them

Get a life.

>>723627317
...

>>723632542
While TFA was just ANH but changed slightly, I remember being legitimately pleased that it still felt like a Star Wars movie. Something about the writing had that Lucas-esque awkward dialog and space magic that felt like a Star Wars movie.
TLJ felt like a very very bad marvel movie, which is a feat in itself, since marvel is bottom of the barrel shit.
As bad as Rise of Skywalker was, thank fuck we never got Colin Trevorrow's abomination. That script honestly could have been a worse movie than TLJ

>>723624242 (OP)
George spent a ton of money on the Clone Wars multimedia project, which included that "new era of games"
Disney did not do the same for a Sequel Trilogy multimedia project

>>723627317

That shit was Abrams ripping off GOONIES!!!FACT!!!

>>723632273
Considering how much Mark loves Luke I'm surprised he went through with this. I'm guessing refusing to do the job and then having to fight Disney's lawyers is enough to scare anyone.

>>723632278
Чeгo тoлькo нe yзнaeшь, нe тaк ли?

>>723632664
This was my life George

>>723631514
Having read most of the old EU, it's not impossible, and most of it was bad.

>>723632971
Not that much, seeing as he didn't learn anything from the story, being a dumb Hollywood liberal. Grand Master Skywalker would've given him a look if he was real.

>>723627665
>I just want my fucking Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron movie or TV series. Andor gives me some hope that they can still make a decent TV show as long as the showrunner is willing to do his own thing and tell everyone else to fuck off

I want a one off DEATH TROOPERS movie which is what this Mandalorian/Grogu piece of shit should be an adaptation of!!!FACT!!!

>>723628286
>>JJ doesn't understand distance and scale
>Baffling that he somehow got to direct both Star Wars and Star Trek.

It's a (((mystery)))!!!FACT!!!

>>723632542
The Russian deflection was the excuse du jour of the time, yeah. An odd choice, but it's Disney who didn't want their multi-billion dollar franchise to be poorly received despite a poor product... so we'll blame the consumer, who act in bad faith, are politically motivated, and might potentially be bots! Uh huh.
Just another battle in the corporate & culture wars of social media that rage to this day.

>>723632971
I can't remember which movie exactly but he did mention that working with Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford was one of the main reason why he returned to the role.

>>723628601

https://youtu.be/OweGdsp8JH4?si=u3YL5X2Z-zod7Q78

!!!FACT!!!

>>723625617
Sorry never going to play another wokethesda title, eat shit.

>>723629294
Save what and from what, exactly? Actual SW has never belonged to LucasArt, to Lucas, to you, or even to Disney.
A franchise is a franchise.

>>723624646
No, they absolutely did not. Every single one lost money.

>>723633186
Imagine being this retarded.

>>723628058
>how the fuck do these retards not?
They likely do, or they don't, and are there to ruin things.

>>723633328
>Actual SW has never belonged to LucasArt, to Lucas, to you, or even to Disney.
>A franchise is a franchise.
Midwit take

>>723624317
/v/irgins think everything bad flopped, but it's not always true. Sorry, Starfield was a success. The sequel trilogy was a success.

>>723633491
>Starfield was a success

>>723633052
Just know that you are responsible for all of this.

>>723633238
>didn't get to work with either of them
lol
lmao

>>723633373
Everything he said was right though

>>723633485
SW is occult. As utterly kitsch as it is, it exists because it was willed into being.
Entertainment workers and co-creators can't save what was never theirs to begin with, and that is assuming the original specifics of Star Wars mythos weren't just stolen.
Fanfiction is irrelevant.

>>723633605
Only one man is to blame.

Remember how Daisy Ridley was coked out of her fucking mind in all the interviews?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHA-FZ-qoMQ

>>723624646
The Sequel Trilogy was successful sure, but they made less than their predecessors and were much more poorly received. Those will factor in how newer Star Wars media will perform in the future as audiences becomes more weary of the terrible direction this franchise is heading. I mean look at what happened to the Acolyte

>>723633678
True, prequels were pretty mediocre and he killed the most interesting villain straight away, replacing him with fucking Saruman

>>723633712
>Teeth mashing
>Glossy eyed
It's definitely possible.

>>723634000
Oh my God, Maul sucked dude. He was just there to look cool, he was never meant to last. Filoni bringing him back is representative of everything wrong with Disney Wars: Mindless pandering to people who have no idea when to let go.

>>723634000
Maul was boring as hell, anon
He barely said a word and died like a chump

>>723633608
>didn't get to work with either of them
They were sharing the same set. I would guess he means it was nice to be in the same working environment as his friends.

You don't have to deflect like this anon.

>force awaken
pretty fun reboot, soft woke
>last jedi
awful story with pretty scenes
>skywalker rises
adhd zoomer core

>>723634220
I very much doubt he and Ford were ever even in the same room after the TFA readthrough.

I did forget he had a scene with Fisher, though. So that's something. I guess.

>>723626218
Kino overload.
>Learn cheat codes
>Spawn army of Luke Skywalkers for everything
Also one of those games with "amazing graphics" in their cutscenes, for the time.

>>723624726
Jedi Outcast
KOTOR
Republic Commando
Battlefront
Rogue Squadron

>>723634000
The most interesting villain was Palpatine and was there for all three movies.

>>723624242 (OP)
Every star wars game is trash for the simple fact they don't allow lightsabers to be lore accurate and OP 1 hit kill/ limb dismemberment machines

>>723628120
Forth Eorlingas!

>>723629294
You can't move forward without officially getting rid of the ST. If you try to make a distant prequel, the audience will know that no matter what happens, it will lead to the ST. If you make something that takes place after the ST, you will be admitting that it's worth keeping and will likely need to make some reference to it.

>>723631514
I never once said the EU was "mostly shit" you buffoon. I said it had alot of shit in it, which is true.

>>723627518
Something something Dark Side

>>723629763
This. And I pray to God whoever takes control of Star Wars takes Ahsoka, retcons her as Anakin's padawan entirely, actually makes her a good character to the point of the audience preferring the newer version, then kills her off brutally, preferably in Order 66.
Just to rub it in Filoni's fat, hack ass face.

Bump

>>723627601
One thing I didn't dislike about the Jedi Survivor games(at least the first one, never played the second) was thar Vader was treated as basically unstoppable and the only thing you should do when he showed was get the fuck out of there

>>723638586
Vader should've wiped the floor with that self-insert MC or that ridiculous water pressure holding black lady quota character. He's tough.

>>723624726
everything in the bottom two rows is certified ludo

>>723624379
Reddit opinion. The series was ruined from the start with The Force Awakens which is the worst movie ever made.

>>723638767
...he did wipe the floor with them

>>723633353
The sequels are gay but why lie?

>>723631823
Dude star trek had men wearing skirts way before 2025

>>723624830
Nope, films do not make money, merch does. The fact the sequels blew chuds the fuck out and by pure coincidence couldn't sell merch at all roght up until they stopped making it and, now that is isn't available, suddenly sells amazing, tells me more about Disney's honesty then it does Sequel sails. It's very facinating to me the 'obvious facts' become more 'obvious' the less the average person can verify them. When is a Disney film going to succeed with the youtube comment's section open? When is a movie that 'very obvious succeeded' going to have merchandise sails that reinforce that claim? Can that even happen? Even once?

Should I get the old republic on steam or directly from the site?

>>723640150
Neither, don't waste your time.

>>723624337
This and also, games take forever to make now, while they rushed the movies instead of having 3 years between each like the OT and PT. And EA had exclusive rights at the time. So how many SW games could have been made to capitalize on them at all anyway?

The movies baited the the great and vocal star wars fandom to watch them. They watched and now the fandom is dead and silent.

>>723624726
Why did they even close Lucasarts down in the first place?

>>723624412
The last three/two seasons truly killed it.
A great example of "from the altar to the dust"

>>723626482
I love the EU, but Corran Horn is an awful, self-insert Mary Sue. I hate that cunt and Stackpole's writing is SEVERELY overwritten.

>>723640442
Disney didn't want to pay to publish/develop games, they just wanted to outsource it to AAA studios

I like how guarded and desprate Disney was for TLJ that they had to buy an entire good pr campaign, then for the last movie they spent nothing and suddenly everyone was in agreement that the movies were dogshit

>>723629294
Make the Timeline split official. The Willie's of the force saw that palpatine lived because he got baby Yoda blood, so they made erza bring back Ashoka to tip the scales. Then go straight into the thrawn trilogy.

>>723640512
*overrated
not overwritten

>>723629915
I liked what they did with them in Jedi Survivor, but I do have a bias for "man out of time" premises.
I still prefer TOR, though (the setting, not the game).

>>723629915
>a talking, force sensitive rock
sounds like something straight out of the EU

1. shit wars was never good
2. disney jeets should be genocided

>>723640275
I just want to enjoy pre disney star wars again.

>>723641507
SWTOR and enjoy are mutually exclusive

>>723624726
You missed all the x-wing games. Still amazing to this day with a flightstick.

>>723640442
They've brought it back now., Still shit

>>723624726
>Bandai Namco has had the rights to make/publish Shonen Jump games for almost 20 years now
>More than half of the time they just have Spike Chunsoft ducktape something together with a shoestring budget.
I can't stand it.

>>723633113
I honestly prefer rakghoul over generic zombies.

>>723633491
hmm, i'll say no as after Skywalker, they stopped making movies.

>>723640150
Swtor is kino. The vanilla story is completely free for f2p, but if you want to go beyond that you have to sub once and get all of the expansions and group story operations.

>>723630361
Good in theory bad in practice because of how rampant and deep nepotism runs in this industry. Short of space aliens taking over the IP I don't see how that's even remotely possible because it means antagonizing every single big player in current industry and their friends.

>>723642543
There's always a new group of zoom zooms who heard about Star Wars and they're "so excited to watch this iconic series that was referenced on Rick and Morty." If they made a new trilogy about how Revan was a tranny who introduced HRT to the galaxy (thereby saving it from chudism), it'd gross a billion per movie. The shows are failures because nobody watches Disney+ and they spend more per episode than the subscribers bring in.

>>723642554
The base game classes and story feel closest to the feel of the george lucas vision of star wars. It has the classic good vs evil tropes, with large scale worldbuilding and feels like a journey. It's pure sovl

>>723642554
>>723643938
these anons are lying to you
do not fall for it

>>723643982
no u

>>723643982
They are not lying. SWTOR story is good. Mmo part - hardly.

>>723644150
>>723644178
Yes, me. It is a complete lie to say SWTOR is worth even a fraction of your time. Some (SOME) of the narratives are decently written. But they are ALL presented horribly, seriously some of the worst cutscenes you will ever see in a high budget video game, and you have to suffer through some of the dullest, sleep-inducing gameplay in the entire medium to get to these awful cutscenes, all for a narrative that is, at best, reasonably ok.

do NOT fall for it

>>723642543
The recent tax information released from the UK indicates that they spent over $600 million dollars on Episode IX to bring in a profit to the studio of less than $50 million lmao

>>723629294
Retcon everything after Disney acquisition (aside from Jedi games because they are cool). Start shooting movies based on EU books.

>>723627317
>wow, its sure lucky this exact part of the death star ruins didnt crumble and decay any further because of erosion and the fucking ocean bashing against it all the time with saltwalter
>that would ruin the entire plot and make the dagger pointless

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful movies
Nope. Maybe The Force Awakens was somewhat successful but it's only because people were craving a new Star Wars movie.
After that it was disappointment after disappointment.

ever noticed that the sequals gave us not one memorable alien species? Not a single fucking one?

>>723645538
they all have the same plastic chinese look about them too

>>723645538
You weren't impressed by crappy orange mystery box Yoda?

>>723645683
lmao look at the pod race announcer guys, they're so silly

>>723645868
But the English voice was Greg Proops.

Es ist vorbei.

>>723644178
>>723643938
I just want to know if the steam version should be gotten over the original launcher.

>>723629294
Simple.
Everything after 2012 gets on the chopping block.
Make a new EU that is actually the old EU but with all the idiotic elements either removed or reworked to be actually cool.

Then you greenlit a Jedi Academy show starting a Kel Dor Jaden Korr and Rosh Penin who at first do Jedi stuff and help out people, only to kickstart a galactic adventure that ends with them going into the multiverse where the Big Bad is trying to reshape reality, and at one moment he simply erases the Disney EU and all the shit in it before being defeated by Jaden, Rosh and their allies.

Then from that point you make wholly new stories with various characters. You also ban Filoni from shoehorning any of his characters everywhere.

Finally you adapt the Legacy Era.

>>723646261
It makes no difference at all. You get achievements in steam if that's something you're into

>>723624242 (OP)
Wasn't that the period when all Star Wars gaming was exclusive to EA? That's probably why.

>>723625191
Cokehead Fisher, asshole Ford, and lunatic Hamill btfo

>>723624242 (OP)
The films might've been financially successful but they caused permanent damage to the brand, nobody cares about star wars anymore.

>>723624242 (OP)
The movies didn't add any scenes that you would want to play out, with possibly the exception of the T-70s attacking the new fake death star. The second movie made up a retarded chase scene which involved first making up dumb rules that exist nowhere else in Star Wars, then breaking them with some stupid little escape craft that could plausibly have shuttled everyone onto and off of the ships, then breaking established lore with a weird hyperspace thing (obviously shields prevent such a thing, otherwise all combat would be the smallest R2 unit strapped to the most economical hyperdrive rendering capital ships the stupidest idea in a thousand years).

The action scenes in the original were each captured in a bunch of games. Wrapping the silly walkers with a cable didn't make the most sense, but it was in a bunch of great games because it was a physically compelling sequence, which was what almost all the special effects were.

This lack of physical reasoning is a problem in almost all modern movies, likely based on being written and directed by people without such a functioning brain section, or more generously they are drawn inevitably to universal massive action that is colorful and meant to give you a rush of justice-fluid in your thoughts instead of having anything else to it.

The other comments focus on the movies not being that well liked- and I don't disagree, but I think the fact that nothing in these movies is worth imagining in a backyard as a ten year old boy is also very important.

>so we are chasing the rebels at sublight speed, yes?
>yeah
>alright, have like 3 of our star destroyer escorts lightspeed jump ahead of them and turn around
>brilliant idea, sir
And thus, the first order won

>>723632971
He was under contract, he didn't have a choice. The only one not under contract was Harrison Ford, and the only reason reason he came back is that they agreed to kill off Han Solo so hard in movie 1 that he could never come back in any capacity ever.

>>723650158
and then they STILL brought him back as a ghost

Mark Hammill's greatest role will never be forgotten.

>kill all post endor pew first order story potencial by having the galactic civil war end very quickly, with next to no imperial warlords and remnant around

>kill all New Jedi Order potencial by having Lukes new Order being killed by the Knights of Ren

>kill all potencial of the New Republic being cool by having them disband their military and become fucking retarded and passive

Its amazing how hard they crippled their own EU from the get go

>>723624412
Crusader Kings 2 and Mount and Blade had mods

>>723650415
Although I'm certain he was in other films, I have never in memory seen him in anything besides Star Wars and that bit at the end of the Jay & Silent Bob movie.

>>723634000
I hope you aren't talking shit about Christopher Lee.

>>723645718
>get a black chick on board that, at the time, was doing the rounds at awards and cleaned up nicely
>cast her as an anus eyed orange goblin

>>723624242 (OP)
Disney probably ask to much up front money for the use of the IP on top of being restrictive on what you can do with it.

>>723632365
>Hard Contact still the best stars war book
That can't be, because Traitor exists.

>>723624379
All 3 were dogshit. Even the first one. Second and third though were unbelievably bad.

>>723624740
Bro, take your meds. Touch grass, anything. This isn't worth getting so heated over.

>>723641297
I mean we had force ghost fungus so I can't see that being too out there.

>>723654093
>first spoken lines of the Sequel trilogy are an attempt to dunk on the Prequels
>the Prequels who kept Star Wars alive until Disney decided to spend a gorillion dollars on it
>rather than "making things right" the Sequels fall on their face, make less money with each installment and destroy the franchise

>>723649742
Honestly the "Holdo Manuver" doesn't get enough hate. I don't think it could ever get enough. The fact it even exists completely changes space warfare but they just pretend it's no big deal and just can't be done no we won't explain why.
It's like the star trek movie where Kirks modification to teleportation should have made star ships obsolete literally overnight and no one thinks it was notable outside of going "BWUH? HOW DID YOU DO THAT?" once and then never bringing it up again.

>>723643938
>>723642554
No- fuck you, I recently tried it for the first time because I didn't want to replay mass effect for the millionth time so did KOTOR 1 and 2 and then you NIGGERS told me to play TOR and I went in expecting a classic bioware experience and got the worst gameplay I've ever experienced in my life plus a story that was utterly fucking awful and didn't hold a candle to KOTOR
>oh shit, some companions, this might be fun
>2 minutes of dialogue each in total, their "side quest" consists of dialogue and them disappearing for 5 seconds, you don't actually do anything with them

>>723645683
say what you will about the prequels but I don't think the phantom menace recycled any kind of visual design from the original trilogy other than lightsabers and jedi robes
even 2 and 3 the recycled designs were prototype re-imaginings of stormtroopers and star destroys
sequel trilogy is just all same old shit

>>723655126
>Matt Parkman from Heroes suggests that they use the Holdo Maneuver to defeat Palpatine and the Final Order
>Finn says they can't because it's a one in a million miracle move
>thus recontextualizing the Holdo Maneuver in TLJ from a heroic sacrifice to Holdo trying to run away and getting exceptionally unlucky
>also there is another Holdo Maneuver shown at the end of the Rise of Skywalker so nice job retconning it away JJ Abrams you dumb faggot hack

>>723628650
They're the greatest minority due to all the casting directors suffering from dyslexia

>>723629294
Genuinely, you don't. Kids are tired of playing with their grandparent's toys and want something new. Not radically different. Something that speaks to everyone like old Star Wars did, like the fables of yesteryear did. Kids want to be heroes, villains, something in-between. They want to imagine themselves in mystical worlds far beyond their neighborhoods. They're tired of being Jedi™, Sith™ and Rebels™ and they're tried of the galaxy far, far away.

This is definitely bait given the timing, but in case anyone hasn't heard, we now know due to tax filings that Disney probably lost about 100 million shekels on the last main Star Wars movie.

Add that to their streaming service losses and the last spin-off movie also losing a hundred million, and they possibly haven't even recouped the purchase price of the IP yet more than a decade later.

>>723658035
maybe they made up for their shitty movies and shitty television shows with merch sales


Lmao

>>723658317
>merch
They'd better hope so, because the theme park attractions aren't exactly printing money either.

https://insidethemagic.net/2025/10/update-disney-world-continues-star-wars-demolition-ld1/

>>723624242 (OP)
Still funny to me that Star Wars Outlaws crashed and burned. 10 years ago any new Star Wars game would have printed you money regardless of quality but the franchise is now in such a poor condition that nobody gives a fuck anymore

>>723659713
I bet if Outlaws had a create-a-character it would have been run of the mill unremarkable Ubislop and performed /adequately/. Nobody wants to play as ugly, bland girl Han Solo.

>>723659713
>10 years ago any new Star Wars game would have printed you money regardless of quality
it also helped that Star Wars game before Outlaws were consistently great

>>723658035
>>723658317
>>723659320
>>723659713
This is a bigger catastrophe than Concord. Imagine going back in time before the acquisition and telling someone: "Multiple Star Wars movies and episodic shows are going to be so unpopular and expensive that they lose hundreds of millions of dollars. Star Wars attractions at theme parks are going to be shuttered and demolished. AAA Star Wars games will not even make back their development costs, as they are panned and mocked as derivative buggy trash."

>>723645538
DAAAAAMN, little ani gets to fuck THAT?

>>723624726
>>723627712
Not only that, but EA was shat on repeatedly wasn’t it? I recall it was considered worst company of the year a couple times.

>makes 4b
>gets vindicated after having constant shit flung at him for years by detractors seeking to tear down and rip away any contributions he's made to the medium
Lucas won.

7-9 had no aesthetic whatsoever.

>>723661398
Sure they did. Bland ripoff of the OT. Anything to do scrappy underdog rebels vs fascist empire again. Making things right and all.

>>723624242 (OP)
The real answer is that video game development is not the same as it was 20 years ago, especially not for licensed games. Most Star Wars games were middling or worse cash-ins.

The lack of ST-specific stuff in particular does reflect reception of the movies, but moreso the fact they didn't click with kids.

>>723634101
> Oh my God, Maul sucked dude. He was just there to look cool, he was never meant to last. Filoni bringing him back is representative of everything wrong with Disney Wars: Mindless pandering to people who have no idea when to let go.
No that was George’s plan. Maul and Talon were meant to be villains of Lucas’s ST.

>>723661398
>>723661981

>>723661947
Lucas didn't have sequels on his mind when he brought Maul back though. That came later and even then I'm not sure he was ever so serious about it that it ended up in Arndt's treatment or anything. I don't think we know those details. Lucas wavered and changed his mind a lot.

>>723662551
Yeah but "Lucas at one point in 2005 considered making Maul the villain for a possible ST" doesn't draw the same amount of clicks as "Lucas's plans were to bring Maul back in his ST".
Luke also wasn't the chosen one for that matter.

>>723646279
Legacy was fucking atrocious.

>>723629337
> There's a market for it, but I feel like Disney has them on a leash.
A lot of it is, I imagine it being contingent on how well the KOTOR remake (if it ever comes out) does. KOTOR is the only life line Disney Star Wars really has left.
>They fucked up with the OT
>Prequels have mostly been covered anyway
>Nobody really likes the ST
>High republic was panned and Disney doesn’t seem to wanna touch the era again because nobody trusts in their ability to make a new era
And this leaves us with KOTOR.
>Already pre-established
>Well liked
>Distant enough from the Skywalkers
>Distinct era
>Tons of material to borrow from
>Tons of fandom curiosity
>Tons of potential (they can get by on just KOTOR 1&2 for a while and spin offs. Maybe do a KOTOR 3 if they’re bold enough. But ONLY if the original writers and cast came back and it’s based off what KOTOR 3 was supposed to originally be.)
KOTOR is an era disney cannot afford to (but inevitably will) fuck up. Yet I think it’s because it’s their lifeline they’re afraid of making things worse. Maybe Kathleen and Disney do have enough self awareness to realize touching it will only make things worse so they can only just get by on inconsequential Easter eggs and mentions.

>>723662056
No racing stripe?

>>723624830
>>723624979
>>723624646
>>723624317
Objectively, yes, the films are successful.
Even when adjusted for inflation, The Force Awakens is still in the top ten highest grossing films of all time, and is the second newest film to be added to the list, which is exceptional for a top ten that goes as far back as 1939.
When adjusted for inflation, the franchise looks like this
>1. Star Wars (3.6 billion)
>2. The Force Awakens (2.6 billion)
>3. The Phantom Menace (2 billion)
>4. The Empire Strikes Back (2 billion)
>5. Return of the Jedi (1.6 billion)
>6. The Last Jedi
>7. Rogue One
>8. Revenge of The Sith
>9. Rise of Skywalker
>10. Attack of the Clones
And these are all films generally within the 100 highest grossing movies of all time. None of these are box office flops and you'd have to be retarded to think in such terms.
Whether they flopped culturally is yet to be seen I suppose. Certainly everyone made fun of the prequels and thought shit like TFU was highly retarded, irrelevant, and would be forgotten alongside the likes of Shadow the Hedgehog, but today children from that time now whine endlessly about how iconic and significant all that retarded shit was.
If there's no real wave of interest in the newer films by 2030, then they can be written off as culturally irrelevant, as 15 years is about the right amount of time for the children who grew up on this shit to start acting like they have real opinions. Took about as long for those people to suddenly start claiming Marvel movies were anything less than complete garbage, and a lot of prequels-era Star Wars mania was due to those children (then adults, now middle aged failures).

>>723642375
That was inevitable. Bandai spent the past 50 years consistently acquiring exclusive marketing rights to everything that seemed even remotely successful.
The closest any prominent Jump series got to escaping was Dragon Ball back when Sega wanted to make a DB game to compete with Mario (which became Alex Kidd).

>>723662723
The closest thing we have to a definitive account of what Lucas wanted is from that coffee table book interview from 2019 so I understand why people fixate on it. I'm not discrediting it or anything. But a lot goes into a movie, and Lucas is a world-class bullshit artist. Even when Darth Talon was still around her master wasn't Maul but whatever Uber was going to turn out to be.

>>723632871
there were new star wars games

but they had nothing to do with the disney trilogy lmao

>>723663127
>>1. Star Wars (3.6 billion)
>>2. The Force Awakens (2.6 billion)
>>3. The Phantom Menace (2 billion)
lmao the pattern

>>723663127
>it doesn't matter that costs were greater than revenue because it grossed a lot
>calling others retarded

>>723631514
EU is all fanfiction based on an existing IP, and inevitably, all of it will be shit as the fans of a work take something infinitely more seriously than the creator.
That's why not a single Dragon Ball product outside the original manga is good btw.

>>723663698
>that costs were greater
All of the movies I listed made in the realm "at least 1 billion dollars".
The highest production costs on any of these movies, was 400 million.
That's why none of these can be classed as failures, it's fucking slop for pigs. It's like point at some grime left in a trough and claiming the latest batch wasn't as high quality as the last one.

>>723628526
Ah okay, so the trick to beating sith lightning is dual wielding lightsabers. Got it. Two lightsabers = lightning do nothing.

>>723624412
>Late seasons make everything on screen dark as fuck
>Fans complain they can't see anything
>They blame fans and say their tv settings aren't set properly
>Change the lighting on episode repeats

>>723663127
>Whether they flopped culturally is yet to be seen
hahahahahahahaha

>>723663127
I thought TLJ was the highest grossing of the sequels. I remember it having a fuckton of money by the end of December, and it had only been out a couple weeks.

>>723663127
>everyone made fun of the prequels and thought shit like TFU was highly retarded, irrelevant, and would be forgotten alongside the likes of Shadow the Hedgehog, but today children from that time now whine endlessly about how iconic and significant all that retarded shit was.
The difference is that the ST never really captured kids and young people the way the PT did. The multimedia landscape just isn't what it was in the 2000s. The ST also isn't as idiosyncratic as the PT, nor is its position unique (in part because of the prequels themselves, but also the glut of legacy sequels and revivals in general).

This is why zoomers cannot fathom the reception to TPM. They have no context for it and are too stupid to know they're missing it.

>>723626424
>Holdo bitch for absolutely no reason
Man, all they had to do was put a scene where she says she thinks there might be a spy on board and people wouldn't hate her as much. Also the alien they called and she was like I'm fucking busy fighting was hilarious

>>723634000
The prequels were great and loved at the time. The only people who hates it were 30 year old losers who cried that it wasn't made specifically for the Gen x losers that had watched the sequels so many times their VCR tapes were on the brink of death. It was only when those losers got big on YouTube 10 years ago that people started shitting on the prequels.

>>723655785
I get Abrams had to deal with cleaning up after someone who hated everything he did in the first movie, but yeah the last movie was absolute shit.
Don't forget they made fucking Fortnite canon to Star Wars.

Honestly, TR-8R was the peak of the ST.

>>723657075
What a fucking blast from the past holy shit. I completely forgot about the Thumb movies.

>>723664728
>The difference is that the ST never really captured kids and young people the way the PT did.
We still don't really know that yet.
People forget that such a turn around on the prequels was completely unprecedented because nobody thought kids liked it and that the movies were literally too boring for kids.
And they were right. Most former children here substituted the prequels with video games and only remember about 20 minutes from every movie.

>>723628120
I don't remember the black chick at all

>>723661601
>scrappy underdog rebels vs fascist empire again.
>the rebels are the current ruling government
>the "fascist empire" are literally ragtag forces forced to hide on the outskirts of the galaxy
>"Oh shit they're supposed to be the overpowered bad guys, how do we justify this?"
>"Uuuuuh, WAIT, I got it, the New Republic decided to get rid of their military. literally all of it. The single fleet of ships partying around the planet Starkiller base blew up was literally their entire military might."
>"FUCKING....GENIUUUUUUS"

>>723664981
>I get Abrams had to deal with cleaning up
Fuck that, almost nothing Ryan actually did impacted anything. Beyond that, JJ (allegedly) made TFA with the intent to just hand it off and be done with it, he didn't set up some grand master plan that others were expected to follow up on

>>723665096
I was 18 when The Phantom Menace came out, and I remember a good chunk of it (but weird and mostly unimportant shit comes and goes), and most of the stuff I remember fondly outside gungans and Jake Lloyd. I don't remember Attack of the Clones at all, and it may be a neurological defense mechanism. I remember the bulk of Revenge of the Sith, and reasonably like it despite the bad dialogue and "DO NOT WANT."

>>723664546
Every entry in the Sequels lowered their box office returns. They also got progressively more expensive to produce, leading to the final movie failing to even make a profit.
By contrast, Episode III made more than Episode II because people gave a shit how the story would conclude.

>>723624242 (OP)
>>financially successful movies
They lost money
Plus, you've got the lego skywalker saga and the lego the force awakens, I bought the skywalker collection for 3,5€ the other day on a key site, so you can guess the success of those games.

>>723665315
Abrams set up a bunch of mystery box bullshit with no understanding of how the whole thing was supposed to tie together, if they had just written a 9 hour movie that was coherent and then split into three parts it would've worked but no
then they picked the contrarian faggot to do the most pivotal of the 3 movies for no reason

>>723665315
It was just the mystery box bullshit you've come to expect from Abrams honestly. Just setting a bunch of potentially interesting things without any further plans for what the reveals will actually be because it's not your problem.

>>723665465
Episode III made more because you couldn't go two steps without seeing a picture of Darth Vader actually.

>>723663965
>Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker holds the official record for the most expensive film ever produced, with a gross budget of $594 million ($490 million after tax credits).
>Box office results indicate that Disney recovered the direct production costs in ticket sales, with a very slim profit, but we do not know how much was spent on advertising or other indirect costs not tied to the financial disclosures of the UK production studio.
>It is likely that all things considered, The Rise of Skywalker currently represents a loss of at least one hundred million dollars, a figure large enough that long-term revenue could take a decade or longer to push the film to lifetime profitability.

>>723638886
Not hard enough.

pic related to this day is the funniest thing in cinematic history

>>723665096
It's been 10 years you stupid faggot. We didn't have to wait 10 years for kids to buy out the Anakin Skywalker figures. They did that from the beginning.

>>723625780
>Disney designs
It's funny that any retard on /v/ could have made better designs

>>723665315
>>723665315
>Fuck that, almost nothing Ryan actually did impacted anything
true- literally nothing happens in TLJ- you could just skip it entirely and watch TLA and ROS and it makes more narrative sense as a two-parter

>>723655126
FTL combat always was possible in SW, it is simply prevented by destiny. Holdo maneuver is not an actual FTL attack.

>>723661098
EA made a big mess of loot boxes in Battlefront 2, which led to changes in laws in several countries to ban the game or impose rules because it was considered a casino.

>>723665884
>retard thinks advertising costs were 500 million dollars

>>723663870
>all of it will be shit as the fans of a work take something infinitely more seriously than the creator.
0/10

>>723624242 (OP)
The prequel era had a lot of interesting new ideas. They were mostly shit, but there was stuff there for video games to explore further. The sequels were utterly hollow and had nothing to mine for content despite being more competently made.

>>723624242 (OP)
I suspect it has a lot to do with all three movies not being written together ahead of time. Sheesh, that last one was such a stinker.

>>723664951
(You)

>>723666093
The almost Dragon Ball-esque costume change Palps gets at the end of the movie cracked me up.

>>723666320
You thinking that was bait proves why fans can never actually make something conceivably good.
Star Wars is not meant to be taken seriously to the degree where you have several books dedicated to the political underpinnings of its "universe" or dedicate entire passages to explaining the mechanical intricacies of its technology, nor are characters like Kenobi, Anakin, Luke, etc, meant to occupy anything more than archetypical roles.
But fans don't understand that, because they take the work as seriously as a priest would with the bible.

>>723666093
>>723666476
So he basically won in the end, right?

>>723666476
>drain the Force out of two goobers
>your clothes turn red

>>723666560
So fucking funny lol. Whoever got that into the movie made the whole watch worth it; it was such an obvious piss take

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful
He doesn't even know... what a retard.

>>723666543
palpatine always wins and Ian McDiarmid is consistently the best part of the whole movie series

>>723666664
Gotta respect a man who loves his job so much, he is constantly cackling

it is pretty sad.

Think about how soulful the non-disney star wars era video games were. Just off the top of my head

Dark Forces 1 / 2
Shadows of the Empire
Bounty Hunter (was shit but still)
Force Unleashed 1 and 2
Episode 1 racer
Jedi Power battles
Empire at War / Forces of Corruption
Galactic Battlegrounds (the age of empires clone)
Battlefront 1 and 2
Republic Commando
KOTOR 1 and 2
Rogue Squadron / Rogue Leader / Rebel Assault / Battle for Naboo (underrated too)
Starfighter / Jedi Starfighter
The Clone Wars
ROTS movie game
X-Wing / Tie Fighter
Jedi Outcast / Academy


What have we had since Disney took over?

Fallen Order / Jedi Survivor - good games but they're pretty much the only good ones.
Battlefront 1 and 2 - not bad games but no one plays them and the franchise seems dead again.
Squadrons

This is what happens when you give EA the exclusive rights to star wars and they can't do jack shit with the license. Before that so many more people could license a star wars game and give us kino. They have had the license for almost 15 fucking years now too and basically all we've got is 5 fucking games.

Is that seriously all of them? I can't think of anything else. Now I enjoyed Fallen Order and Survivor but that's pretty much all there really is in terms of high quality star wars games.

>>723624242 (OP)
>financially successful
Anon... TFA did well but the latter two were bombs. Disney hasn't even made back the money from its purchase yet.

>>723666560
Funnily enough in RotS Palp's robes shift from their deep purple to black during his fight with Yoda but it was done subtle enough that a shocking amount of people missed it. Purple in one shot, then black in the next.
>inb4 no they didn't
Yes they did.

>>723666664
He really is. The way he chews the scenery in episode III is hilarious
The last time I rewatched that one, MacGregor’s Obi-Wan came across to me as a character who is entirely aware that he exists in a very stupid movie

>>723666942
Huh, neat. I missed that.

>>723624242 (OP)
They might have been financially successful movies but at the cost of causing irreparable damage to their reputation.

>>723667059
Wait until you notice Palpatine is using Anakin's lightsaber in his fight with Mace Windu.

>>723660656
>Imagine going back in time before the acquisition and telling someone: "Multiple Star Wars movies and episodic shows are going to be so unpopular and expensive that they lose hundreds of millions of dollars. Star Wars attractions at theme parks are going to be shuttered and demolished. AAA Star Wars games will not even make back their development costs, as they are panned and mocked as derivative buggy trash."

In two days we get our first look at post-TRoS material (outside the lego specials)

>Following the end of Star Wars:The Rise of Skywalker, the Resistance rescues a ship full of young passengers who had been kidnapped by the First Order. As Finn and Jannah set out to find the First Order officer responsible before he can endanger any more children, the two former stormtroopers must wrestle with their own complicated pasts as soldiers of the oppressive regime.
SOMEHOW THE FIRST ORDER RETURNED

>>723666873
>"okay Ian, your motivation in this scene is that you're the evil emperor of the galaxy and today is the best day of your entire life... action!"
-George Lucas (2004)

>>723666312
>retard thinks advertising costs were 500 million dollars
Marketing costs for movies in the mid-2020s are roughly the same, if not more, than the actual direct production costs. This is basic shit, anon.

>>723665319
I've only seen a few dozen movies but AotC was legitimately one of the most boring things I've witnessed. I always start second guessing my memories when I see references to the video game conveyor belt part or the random fridge robotman who's part of the evil trade alliance bc none of it sticks at all

>>723667489
he really showed his commitment to the series by pulling off this incredibly athletic stunt at the age of 60

>>723666312
are you genuinely so stupid that you believe the film production company receives 100% of ticket sales?

>>723667507
That's not how it actually works and you're a ginormous retard for thinking that was how it works.
Companies don't write blank checks for the advertising that just says "Same budget at the film! Maybe a bit more!"
The reality is that most blockbusters tended to be around the same cost as the advertising. Because advertising is a borderline fixed value once you enter hollywood blockbuster territory. There's no magical thing that changes if you go from a romcom or drama to an action/effects heavy spectacle film outside of maybe booking 90 seconds at the super bowl (which also wouldn't inflate the typical advertising costs from 150 million to 500-600 million).
>>723667715
Only if you're genuinely stupid enough to believe advertising was over half a billion dollars.

>>723667683
I associate my blacking it out with how people black out being molested.

>>723667843
If the films are so financially viable, why did they abandon their plans to shit them out every other year?
Do they not want to make money?

its just nuts how obvious it is that the people running the thing have no talent for it, like the people at Disney have more of a commitment to saving face than the actual franchise they payed 4 billion for

>completely ending a cultural phenomenon
totally fine, part of the process
>owning up to mistakes
completely unacceptable, rather have 0 fans of star wars remaining than actually letting Kathleen have any consequences

honestly best thing we can hope for is the company selling the IP to someone who'll make everything post 2011 non cannon

>>723667683
I would be less willing to admit that I'm one of the
>hurr politics boring where the laser swords be at
smoothbrained niggers, but hey we're all anonymous here

>>723667683
There are people who love that movie. I thought there couldn't be a worse Star Wars movie than that but guess I was wrong

>>723663127
>None of these are box office flops
Rise of Skywalker was recently revealed to have had a budget of $600m US. It made $1bn at the box office. Since the revenue is split with the cinemas, which is how cinemas keep operating, that means net revenue for Disney was ~ $500m US, meaning it lost Disney $100m US, which makes it a box office flop. Because it didn't make its money back.

>>723667843
okay you dumbfuck toddler, here's the elementary arithmetic

1 billion gross revenue
50% take
500 million revenue

600 million gross production
100 miilion credit
500 million production

advertising?
probably 100 million

total loss: 100 million!

can your doublenigger peanut brain handle this?

>>723661398
What are you talking about? They had such great designs such as this one

>>723667843
>Companies don't write blank checks for the advertising
Yes. They do. The Barbie movie had a marketing budget $30m higher than the production cost. The Super Mario movie had a marketing budget $50m higher than the production cost. Get Out had a marketing budget over $70m higher than its production budget.

>>723627317
Cinema sins are low tier slop, but there are moments like this that make my head hurt so much i end up becoming them

>>723667683
>>723668039
I’ve seen a lot of movies and also consider Attack of the Clones one of the most boring things I’ve ever seen. I enjoyed it as a seven year old because wow Kit Fisto is so cool and I want his action figure and whoa the Lego sets are cool too, wow. There is nothing there for me as an adult.
Phantom Menace is a slog, too. The only one I’ve watched all the way through again as an adult was Revenge of the Sith, which I actually enjoyed much more than I expected to.

>>723666502
Nah. You fail to get that everything in life is serious.
Business especially so. Even Lucas, for all his faults and his particular approach to art, actually took it all seriously - in his personal way. He took it far more seriously than those that didn't believe SW wouldn't work.
Seriousness isn't synonymous with dullness.

If were one to assume that your outlook is how boomers and humans of modern, and most eras think, then that explains the state of things perfectly.
You're manchildren incapable of earnesty, carried by those that make details up, and by those that incident into detail. The moment the details vanish, all fall aparts.
Simply inferior, not necessarily incapable of any endeavour in terms of talent, but sure unwilling.

To be fair to you, fans do have some issues, but damn you've missed the point of things.
Archetypical roles are parts of initial condition. But it's the systems as a whole that are the superstructures carrying the meaning. It's only natural that EU would come to be for this particular story because that is what it naturally tends to, being cosmic in scope.

>>723667965
Because they recognized a waning market and are in the process of restructuring.
Yes, there is a difference between "ZOMG MASSIVE FLOP DISNEY LOST 40000000% OF THEIR STOCK VALUE ON THIS!!!" and execs recognizing when staying power no longer holds before anything actually happens.
>>723668058
>>723668089
Theatres negotiate and make deals with certain companies.
For companies likes Disney, they do not take 50% of the ticket sale. In fact, the only time they really would would be for smaller and typically international films (would say independent, but franchise cinemas don't show independent films). This is done so that theatres can have exclusive merch (like special drink cups or popcorn buckets) and also because theatres know they'd die without these movies.
Did you never wonder why concessions are so marked up?
>>723668170
You posted movies with lower than average production costs. Of those, the only one to actually exceed 100 million, which is WELL BELOW the average cost for a major hollywood production, was Barbie at what I can see is 145 million.
Get Out was only 4.5 million.

>>723668443
>You're manchildren
You're the retarded faggot that never outgrew Star Wars and now spends all day whining about how everyone needs to take it seriously.
Wouldn't be surprised if you're rikafag.

>>723668443
>everything in life is serious
Even the internet?

>>723624412
not true, it has a porn game which has some partial involvement of one of the guys in the official podcast (cr1tikal and friends)
I heard its the most safe vanilla porn game wegger

>>723668089
>>723668170
Stop feeding the troll; not even niggers are that deliberately obtuse.

>>723668486
>>Theatres negotiate and make deals with certain companies.
>For companies likes Disney, they do not take 50% of the ticket sale
You're gonna have to post proof.

>>723668038
By all means please explain the evil fridge robotman's politics and economic grievances to me

>>723668690
>You're gonna have to post proof
>BUT I DON'T HAVE TO

>>723627601
I made the mistake of playing SW Galaxy of hero's, it drained my brain to 0 over two months, just constant daily checkins to grind my hero's up, it wasn't enough to delete the game I had to delete all of my data and progress to quit it

>>723668759
In that case, Rise of Skywalker remains a box office flop.

>yidsney is making a new film series based on rey
why are they so bad at this

>>723624242 (OP)
>promising first entry
> second entry was shit but embraced by contrarians and troons because it "subverted expectations" and made the people who liked the first one mad
> third entry so dogshit not even the contrarians defend it

>>723668858
If they actually make a Rey movie, I'll eat my hat. It's going into the long list of Disney Star Wars projects that were announced and quietly abandoned.

>>723666664
This is a guy who wanted to do the spin thing in RotS as an actual stunt

>>723668858
Ridley isn’t even a bad actress. What a total waste of a character that was. No development at all across three films.

>>723669056
She kinda is.

>>723668896
Where was the promise at in the shittier but more diverse remake of A New Hope? The pretty CGI?

>>723668557
"Outgrowing" something like Star Wars indicates a fundamental failure at grasping its meaning. You do not "outgrow" an ideal, a message or a perspective, you're either understand it or don't, and live up to it, or don't.
I don't whine about SW either, but I do find you funny. You sound incapable of exulting in monotony, wouldn't be surprised if you think humans have phases. Other than biological ones, they don't, they just fall to entropy. You will fall too.

All they had to do was make Jedi Hogwarts 10 years ago with Dumbledore Luke and they'd have made 10s of billions by now

>>723669056
Generally I'd like my actresses to be able to express emotions with their face. Never seen Daisy Ridley do that.

Something very few people outside the entertainment industry understand is that the Budget on films doesn't include the marketing budgets. Which is often 2x what the filming budget was.

When you take in to factor how much Disney spent buying it and all the marketing costs its debatable if the sequel trilogy was successful or not.

I did not hate the Jedi games.

>>723668612
The internets is serious business, especially considering its primary data archiving, military and social control purposes.

>>723669110
Disney be like
>sorry best we can do is loser hobo Luke who has no students because he sucks
>also he dies at the end from using the Force too hard

>>723668858
They have nothing left. They can't appease OT boomers since Ford rightfully fucked off and Fisher is dead. Hamill is also really getting up there in age so it'd be difficult to do a movie between 6 and 7. Attempts to bring them back with things like Solo failed because it was shit. They can't appease PT zoomers since that bridge was burned in like 2015 and attempts to mend it with Kenobi and whatnot failed because it was shit.

The only ones left are andorfags, ST contrarians, and people unable to let go.

>>723669259
I might be one of the few people that actually liked the force projection shit Luke did. The dying part not so much.

>>723624412
>INCREDIBLY CULTURE DEFINING TV SHOW
>takes 10 years for game to be made

It's still way quicker than GRRM's writing.

>>723669464
Truthfully he doesn't care anymore. He has made too much money to give a fuck now.

>>723669078
you forget back then before Rian waved his Johnson in front of everyone like he was secretly a genius, yeah everyone belived tfa was a promising start with everyone absolutely theorizing about how everything was gonna go
tfa may have aged like milk in a pantry, but it probably would have been looked at more fonly if the rest of the sequels weren't abysmal dogshit

>>723669578
The insane part is those films happen right after each other and nothing is carried over.

>>723624412
There was like 4 games. All of them shit.

>>723669578
It was already apparent what they were doing to Star Wars with their focus on appealing to little girls in the marketing. Every commercial before release had a little girl Jedi in their push for "girls can be Jedi too!" years before they started wearing The Force is Female tshirts. They were blaring neon signs before TFA even came out.

>>723669107
No retard, you outgrow it the same way you outgrow Oliver Twist or Alice in Wonderland or The Oz books.
You can appreciate it, but hinging your entire personality and life around these things is a sign of remarkable failure.

>>723632971
mark said that at some point during filming last jedi he and daisy ridley went to talk to rian johnson about the script but were btfo'd.

>>723669429
I actually really enjoyed the goofy Rashomon thing they did with him. I think The Last Jedi actually would have been a pretty solid movie if they had spent all of that time on the stupid casino planet B plot on something else.

>>723669819
SW is incomparable to any of these stories in purpose and disposition.
You shouldn't assume that someone liking a thing harder than you means they're "hinging personality and life", that's a terminally online pleb logic.

>>723632971
Nothing makes me happier than knowing that piece of shit Mark Hamill had no choice but to assist Disney in the rape and murder of his favorite character. And he had to smile and go out and tell people to watch it. Get fucked you arrogant actor prostitute.

>>723629294
I just wanted to see Luke as a jedi teacher in his new academy

>>723670015
They still would've went wrong with making Luke want to harm his nephew cause he had evil thoughts. Even if it was just Like turning on the lightsaber, that was a terrible decision for his character.

>>723670218
How about Master Skywalker as a Jedi teacher in her new academy :^)

>>723669578
none of the snoke theories i read back in the day were anywhere nearly as bad as the snoke canon they came up with lmfao. naturally, the whole first order thing was retarded in the first place, too.

>>723632971
>oh you want to break your contract? We're suing you for one gorillion dollars

>>723629294
Step 1, overthrow the mechant guilds.
Step 2, now we can have good things again.
Step 3, declare everything done to Star Wars after Lucas sold it to be bullshit.

>>723670451
Can we wipe out TCW too? That shit is terrible.

>>723628526
How did he return?
How will he return again?

>>723670518
As long as we go with good ol Genndy wars as the canon then absofuckinglutely.

>>723670518
The zoomers who like that show crack me up.

>>723670218
we just gotta keep ignoring disney and go back to making unofficial continuations of the true and honest expanded universe

I wouldn't mind more Rey bestiality porn

>>723650158
how the fuck can he be under contract when the last movie he was in was in the 1980s

>>723670301
I honestly liked it, but I understand perfectly why most people didn’t. It’s a definite character regression based on what we saw in Return of the Jedi.

>>723670639
Finn, is that you?

>>723670560
Nobody is ever really gone.
Sidenote: any trash they make with Rey going forward would be made 100x more tolerable if they reveal that Palpatine's spirit hijacked her body when she killed him like he said he would. Body stealing would still be retarded but any story that follows from that would be better than anything they will do with maRey Sue.

>remaking KOTOR in the year of our lord 2025
how is this going to work, nobody has the patience for the psuedo-turn based combat system anymore

>>723670681
I understand what they were going for and maybe just Luke turning on his lightsaber would be passable if it was a random student. It was his fucking nephew.
It should have been Kylo turning on Luke cause he felt like he was holding him back or some shit. Maybe even have Luke scar his face in defense and feeling incredibly bad about it.

>>723670963
nigga did you just ignore the entirety of how successful baldur's gate 3 is and thats slow ass full time turn based

>>723671039
that was true turn-based though, kotor is a weird in-between where you can cheese shit by running around

>>723671035
why even let the dogshit they didn't spend more than 5 minutes thinking about before they wrote it into the script into your head, it's all non cannon

>>723671035
Lel he also tells Kylo to go fuck himself during their last meeting even after everything Luke did to drive him to the Dark Side
No regerts

>>723670683
honestly, seeing John Boyega for the first time in The Force Awakens was a shock.
I was so hyped for the sequel trilogy that I cagily avoided all marketing materials, all trailers, and all commercials. If I walked by a toy aisle at the store and caught a small glimpse of a vehicle or stormtrooper, I'd look away immediately. I wanted to go into the new era of Star Wars with an entirely open mind, as pure as an Amish virgin. On opening night I knew there was a brown-haired female protagonist (that much was hard to avoid, even though I shielded my eyes), but little else. I didn't even know which classic characters were returning.
When Boyega first took off that helmet and revealed himself to the theater, I let out an audible gasp. My entire row of filmgoers looked at me like I was nuts, but I couldn't help myself. There before me was the most Simian creature I'd ever seen in a galaxy far, far away. An intergalactic gorilla with huge flaring nigger nostrils and big Nigerian chieftain lips.
Oftentimes film studios will soften the blow by casting Billy Dee Williams or Will Smith... but not this time. This time you were forced to feast your eyes on a pure-blooded coal black silverback nigger, blown up forty feet high on an IMAX screen.
I looked around, uncomprehendingly, as the rest of the crowd seemed to accept this monstrosity as a regular matter of course. Then it occurred to me that I was the only person who hadn't already seen months' worth of marketing materials.
Little by little, they had been led to accept this by drips and drabs of comercials, trailers, and TV interviews. Their minds had been so softened that they were willing to stare unflinchingly, even giggle and smile at the niggershines, as MegaNigger (missing only a bone in his nose) besmirched the galaxy.
Lots of people debate about the exact moment when Star Wars died. I contend it was when that minstrel-looking sweaty jigaboo removed his helmet and revealed his Lovecraftian face.

>>723628286
...is that a half-dozen planets right next to each other? Please tell me they're moons of some conspicuously unseen gas giant.

If not, this is even stupider than the obsession with depicting asteroid belts as a dense cluster of rocks.

>>723671035
> lukes problem instead of being callous to his his nephew instead being to compassionate
> he sees his nephew succumbing to the dark but instead of asserting himself by force he tries to let Ben find his way himself until its too late
> he leaves the burned ruins of his tmple ashamed after he nearly strikes down his turned nephew in a rage
> he spends his isolation studying the dark side hoping to see every possibility of what he could have done to save ben

>>723671039
BG3 wasn't successful because "turn based good." It was successful because a bunch of libtards wanted to "own the chuds." Those same people who shilled it bitched about it petering out at act 3.

>>723655689
Star wars was never good, but the visual and worldbuilding parts of PM were never the problem. the problem is that the funny, cheeky, human characters, and human-action driven story of the OT was replaced by an obtuse political tale. Also, all of the main characters were incredibly soulless and robotic, ironically with less personality, motivation, drive, etc, than the literal robots in the movie. This carries over into EP2/3, with the single relatable factor being Anakin's character arc.

>>723631823
>femboy klingon with ayylmao proportions
I have lived too long

>>723671035
I feel like having a premonition that kylo would go bad despite all his efforts would be enough for luke to say 'fuck it', he didn't need to try to kill him kek
should've led to a kreia moment where he just says nah this whole force shit is dumb

>>723671224
I believe the excuse is, and I shit you not, the beams are shot through hyperspace and the resulting reverberations through hyperspace (????) made the lasers visible from like all over the galaxy. Or something like that.

>>723671310
BG3 was successful because it was fun regardless of your chud headcannon

>>723671224
uh yeah, it's a brand new system of planets that are all habitable all around one sun that the republic decided to move to instead of Coruscant for some reason

oh and the lasers Laser Moon was using are special lasers that can travel faster than the speed of light, and the light from them can also travel faster than the speed of light thats why Han saw them blow up the planets in real time

this is all cannon btw :) you better like it

>>723671175
>honestly, seeing John Boyega for the first time in The Force Awakens was a shock.
He does not fit in.
Lando was natural, this one isn't.

>>723664951
>Chabunga, a dogman who communicates by screaming
KINO

>>723671474
>smooth future sci-fi nigga
vs
>gorilla nigger pair him up with white girl lead ooga booga

>>723624359
>Every single movie earned less and less, lost fuckton of goodwill
these movies killed one of the most profitable franchises ever
Yeah, and it seems the few games released have just followed in the footsteps of the movies. Not that I played them, I don't think anything could revive my interest at this point.

>>723671602
You could fit a gorrila in Star Wars just fine. He simply feels like a dude that does not belong, like he came into a Star Wars convenience park and is pretending to be someone.

>>723668630
No one is talking about how Disney had to pay 4 billion just to buy it from George. I agree that Disney have make a substantial profit off the investment and it's unfair to make the movies responsible for offsetting all the cost but that was the idea Disney had at the time. The amount of money they needed to make on each movie in the 2010s to dig them out of the 4 billion dollar hole, they weren't really profitable and there's no way they could be. TLJ and RoS were not seen as successes internally at Disney making less and less on each movie and the critical response to them didn't given them confidants. Star Wars movies will probably be on ice for 5-10 years and hopefully the next movies are better then that last.

>>723671474
He looks like a gorilla but the character fit fine. I think the sequel films would have been better if they leaned into him as the protag more instead of downplaying him in favor of a milquetoast girlboss.

If Lando's character was a Disney invention you'd call him gay and woke.

>>723671974
>I agree that Disney have make a substantial profit off the investment
have they though

>>723671974
George-kun could've disagreed, but he still sold it.
You know, it's morbidly funny how strangely similar his situation is to the plot of Bioshock: Infinite.
A meta joke, if you will.

>>723671835
The funniest part about sci-fi diversity is how little thought they generally put into it.
>oh yes goyim, all the races (which don't exist by the way, social construct: disagree and I'll put you in prison) will mingle and create beautiful brown abominations within the next century, just look at this CGI composite!
>also in the far distant future there are completely distinct races spread across multiple systems with no admixture and they all live alongside each other and never mix at all, even on generational colonization ships

Sequel trilogy is a shittier Dark Empire and Dark Empire was already terrible.

>>723670015
>stupid casino planet B plot
That was Johnson invoking the spirit of George Lucas. He wanted some real AotC-tier garbage in his movie and he achieved it. A genuine auteur.

>>723672076
the character idea was fine, but they dropped it as soon as it was introduced

>murder bad, my storm trooper friend died I want to leave the first order
>I'm going to get on the turret of this tie fighter and hoot and holler as I kill my former comrades in the very next scene
>actually was not a storm trooper but just the toilet scrubbing nigger on the new death star of all places
>first order upbringing never brought up again and does not differentiate him in any way
>just becomes resistance nigga who yells RAY LET ME TELL U SOMETHING

>>723672525
He sure was stoked while gunning down his fellow brainwashed slave soldiers.

>>723624830
That could mean a huge success or a disaster depending on the money invested

>>723672076
Unlikely. It's less about race or wokeness, and more about things being uncanny.
I'm of the opinion that almost everyone in the sequels feels wrong. Only Ridley feels the least out of place, and even then it's like she was isekai'd, Kylo on rare occasions, and faceless trooper cast. Han is a living ghost.
Everyone else is a skinsuit.

Rogue One on the other hand carries a feeling of desperation, of someone trying to still care about something too abstract, as some people that aren't sure why they are there, or who they even are battle each other to death for foregone conclusions.
Sequels are chaos.

>>723669429
I do too. It works pretty well thematically. The biggest issue with Luke's role in TLJ is Rey, really.

>>723670518
And also the PT.

>>723672385
Indeed, sadly I can't disagree here.

>>723672879
No.

>>723671974
>better
there was a very short updrift in some corners of Hollywood, where it looked like there might be a spark of hope.
In reality Hollywood has never been worse off than when entered the 20s.
Ask people to recommend some movies from the last 5 years and they come up with maybe 1-2 decent movies (by normalfag standards).
Including TV-series. It doesn't look like making something good is a priority anymore. Just have one or two memorable moments to lure in viewers and be otherwise forgettable

>>723672109
as of 2 years ago they have made 12 billion off of the initial 4 billion but that's everything. Toys, games, tv, Disney plus subscriptions, licensing, everything. The didn't spend 8 billion on the failed star wars theme park and making the movies.

>>723624242 (OP)
EA Battlefront 2 is pretty great but it won't see its full potential until the Kyber mod releases. Once custom map and charact r creation becomes more streamlined and people can play them together easily, the game will reach its golden age

>>723672917
I think we can all agree that the general outline and aesthetic of the PT is on point George just failed as a writer and director in brining it to the screen

>>723664951
I was a kid when the prequels came out and hated them.
Grew up with the originals and even back then knew they were vastly superior.

I will never watch The Return of the Skywalker

>>723627813
Brown ESL

>>723672921
the 12 billion required additional cost in addition to the initial 4 billion purchase of the IP though

>>723672989
I can agree with the first half. Strongly disagree with the second. The sole weakness of the PT is the awkward dialogue and even that is according to George's plans.

>>723672989
I do actually get what george was trying to do, the problem is that he was a horrible writer who couldn't write good 'boring' dialogue

>>723672917
Yes.
>>723672989
Even the outline is retarded.

>>723624242 (OP)
>predecessors before them

>>723673127
>awkward
Thought-provoking.
Rough but self-assured.
Lucasian.

>>723672385
>>723672905
brooooooooooooother, put me in a confined space with one of those anime pikachu women and you bet your ass there's gonna be a dozen elliot rodgers runnin' wild on you before you can say hulkamania

>>723671035
>Half of Return of the Jedi is Luke convinced there's good in Vader and tries to make him realize it.
>Vader, the right-hand man of a dictator responsible for billions of deaths during a civil war he controlled on both sides, in addition to having atomized a planet.
>Vader, who hunted rebels and fugitives for 20 years.
>Luke tries to kill his nephew because he had a nightmare.
>nephew who...? did nothing?
Whoever wrote this should kill themselves.

>>723672919
MASH was and still is considered the greatest show of it's time and it's TRASH. People have a way higher expectation for everything they watch because they compare it to the best things they have ever seen. It's the same with any mature art form, later works get held to a higher standard and It becomes next to impossible of a standard. Movies on the whole aren't worse, we are just pickier in part because we don't remember the garbage movie from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

>>723673935
>MASH
>trash
No.

>>723673127
a lot of the acting is also pretty bad, either through incompetence or "I am here for a paycheck" phoning it in (which is also on George as a director)

and the story requires everyone but Sheev to be an absolute retard

I rewatched the original star wars recently (no, I will not refer to it as "a new hope") and the whole thing is so obviously a sexual awakening allegory
his whole journey starts out from seeing a woman for the first time in a grainy hologram carried by R2
in the end run, Luke is escaping his father/his own neuroses/childhood in order to cum inside the death star, aided by a LITERAL wingman in the form of Han who encourages him
and he fucking ORGASMS when he finally does it, like he literally cums, you can hear it
what did george mean by this

for me? it's this AI slop anime animation of KOTOR 2 that I found on youtube
https://youtu.be/TEMFSChYEWA

The fucked up thing is how the sequels had 0 cultural impact. Even the prequels for all their issues were and still are, talked about in some positive capacity and their influences on SW from worldbuilding to characters. Meanwhile the ST has nothing, it just exists. You’re only gonna see people poking fun at how bad they are.

>>723674243
hope you kill yourself soon piggy

>>723674337
It’s sad that what I remember most about the sequels is just how I couldn’t even escape the advertisements in the produce section at the grocery store.

In conclusion, I miss the Star Wars I grew up with

>>723674183
I think it’s a bit more accurate to just call it a coming of age story, but you are right that a lot of it is communicated through sexual imagery.

>>723624242 (OP)
EA having exclusive rights for a decade, and only pushing put two shooters, the Kestis games, and some mobile games by the way, didn't help, but the sequels utterly fucked the brand. TFA undid everything the OT heroes worked for amd pissed on it, TLJ was more concerned with "gotcha!" moments than actually telling a story, and RoS has the gall to try and damage control the last movie while being a bad movie. Any momentum they had was utterly squandered, along with the cast, especially Finn, who had the most potential to be an interesting character. All three movies take place over the course of a year, leaving little to no room for stories to be told unlike the OT and PT. Even then, the only sequel character that ultimately matters is Rey, maybe Ahsoka if Filoni gets his way.

>>723674337
The Prequels' biggest weakness, the dialogue, is also the thing that made it stick prominently in the culture. The OT has a few quotable parts, some of the most important ones of all time. The Prequels are dripping with dialogue that is the basis of meme after meme. Hardly a scene goes by without something that sticks. Meanwhile, what is there to quote from the Sequels? Their only slightly memorable meme image is that chunky shirtless Kylo Ren picture.

>>723674709
hey now, there's slightly more than that
>t h e y f l y n o w

>>723674709
TCW memes also suck, objectively proving the superiority of the Prequels to the temu knockoff cartoon.

>>723674564
they keep trying to push ahsoka but nobody gives a fuck

>>723664883
Ya theres clearly a payoff for her odd behavior that never got written in.

>>723674803
>Two out of the three leads proceed to have the most mediocre career after the conclusion of this trilogy
>The second male lead proceeds to star in all kinds of shit

It's like poetry

>>723673898
>>Luke tries to kill his nephew because he had a nightmare.
A nightmare about sequel trilogy.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Master Skywalker The Nice?
I thought not. It's not a story the Sith will tell you. It's a Jedi legend.
Master Skywalker was a Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, so perceptive and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to redeem... life. He had such a knowledge of the light side that he could even keep the ones he cared about...
>*slowly turns head*
...from falling.
...The light side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural. He became so perceptive, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his pathetic life-forms, which eventually, of-course, he did.
Unfortunately, he didn't teach his apprentice everything he knew, then he tried to kill his apprentice in his sleep...
Ironic...
He could save others from falling, but not himself...

>>723675010
>Two out of the three
Well, he is Solo, Han Solo, Han Solo.

I liked Andor, that's pretty much it.

>>723624412
The perfect fantasy world for a Elder scrolls style game. You can play as either a human male or a human male with slightly darker skin and instead of fighting elves, orcs, goblins, dwarfs and all sorts of magical monsters you can fight human males and maybe some human females and at the end of the game maybe a dragon or some zombies and man made of ice.

Anyone who thinks ASOIAF is a good world for a video game either doesn't understand what ASOIAF is or doesn't understand video games.

>>723624242 (OP)

What predecessors? Disney Wars is not Stat Wars anon. I thought everyone knew this by now.

>>723675196
>a human male with slightly darker skin
N

>>723673935
thanks ai
now name a couple good movies or shows from the last 5 years to proof this is just a recency bias.

>>723675164
I keep seeing people suck Andor's nuts but at the end of the day it all leads to the Sequel Trilogy which is just a total franchise dead end and Disney knows it because they've done nothing post-TROS

>>723675331
andor is more enjoyable if you just put all the other shit out of your head and treat it solely as stand-alone
the only 'backstory' you need is having watched a new hope, I hadn't even watched rogue one before I watched andor

>>723675331
I just pretend it's from the old EU and it works fine

I also pretend Rogue One doesn't exist because I hate it.

>>723624412
>>INCREDIBLY CULTURE DEFINING TV SHOW
you retards only watched this because it was "sex on tv"

>>723675331
Suck its nuts is too strong of a feeling, i like it better than most post-original trilogy material. that's about it.

>>723624242 (OP)
Movie games have the reputation of being shit. This is why Jedi: Fallen Order has nothing to do with the movies, it is just set in the Star Wars universe.

>>723676432
>*is one of the best Star Wars vidya ever made in your path*

>>723676630
It's better than most direct tie-ins and quite a few of the shittier Star Wars games (and there are a lot of those). It's still just a basic cash-in though. I don't understand the wank over it.

>>723624423
Never hears about that one.

>>723624726
Compare the EA games with the non EA games.

>>723676756
Fun and sovlfvl.

>>723675331
>but at the end of the day it all leads to the Sequel Trilogy
So does the OT. The EU led to dogshit like Legacy of the Force and Legacy. I don't hold the shittiness of Revenge of the Sith against The Empire Strikes Back either. Andor is its own story. Sort it out or don't.

>>723626390
Clearly Palpatine was so OP he controlled all the Star Destroyers with the power of the dark side.

>>723626727
She started her career being the fucktoy of Spielberg and Lucas. She knows where all the skeletons are. Remember that Lucas said that Marion was meant to be 12 years old when she first met Indy.

>>723677164
that's close, when he died his lightning overloaded and blew them all up

it was retarded

>>723624242 (OP)
Millennials shat on boomers and Gen X'ers who shat on the prequels and died fighting on their prequel hill to the point that a decade plus later the prequels are now beloved.

No zoomer cares about Star Wars much less a nostalgia for Rey and the negro.

>>723676940
I've pretty much sorted it out by separating the Lucas era and Disney era