Thread 723895752

Well?

ips screens are the final evolutionary stage

Why can't OLEDs have the same feature that exists in later plasma-TV's that makes the screen flicker every now and then to remove the risk of the burn

>>723896007
Because OLED burn in is cumulative. It doesn't matter if you let the screen rest or display something else because those organic materials are slowly destroying themselves every single time they display anything.

Oled burn in has been solved

>>723895752 (OP)
va ghosting is far worse than all the others, actually makes your head hurt

>>723896645
by having it shut off for 5 mins every hour? fuck off

>>723895752 (OP)
IPS glow is barely noticable most of the time
it's only a problem if you're looking at a screen with brightness cranked up in a dark room

Remember when Windows 10 had a black taskbar?

>>723896562
This.
>>723897496
This, too. Also FALD is getting better all the time, and microLED will be even better.

>>723896927
>what is pixel shift
>what is pixel refresh
>what is logo dimming

Its solved

>>723895752 (OP)
I'm used to my Asus vgq whatever the fuck so I see no point to upgrade until something better comes along.
>inb4 muh 4k

>>723895752 (OP)
I'll take a good IPS anyday.

>>723896645
it hasnt

>>723896007
It has

how long would it take to intentionally burn an image into an OLED, asking for a friend

>>723898049
None of that helps. OLED will burn the other pixels in to balance it out so you don't see the burn-in. These things are built to die, and die harder.

enter "matte finish"

>>723898445
18 months if you try your hardest, deliberately, to cause burn-in.
But if you take good care of it, like using the protective function tech built-in in the latest panels, you will go through the 3 years warranty (that also covers burn-ins) with no problems and even further, obviously

>>723899089
damn it
so I cant burn funny images into peoples TVs when I visit their house

>>723898574
so infuriating that for the longest time, like a solid decade before oled became commonplace it was essentially impossible to get a decent specced monitor with something other than the heaviest matte coat. only options were the most generic shared office monitors or an apple. I know the logistics of that sort of thing will heavily favor the default but you think they could have spared a single variant once in awhile.

>>723899089
This is bullshit. From personal experience, it doesn't take much to cause burn in.
My QD-OLED monitor had burn in in less than year and thats with the pixel/panel refreshes.

>>723895752 (OP)
well va ghosting isn't really a thing anymore, the other 3 sure

the thing you have to accept with oled is that it's simply not meant for displaying text and static images for hours a day. it's for periodic media viewing, entertainment. if you can't fit a tertiary entertainment monitor into your setup then no you probably shoudn't get one.

>>723898268
Even crap IPS is better than crap like OLED that'll fry itself

>>723896645
In that you can abuse the warranty system to keep replacing fried screens.

>>723900110
Then just warranty it, dumbass.

I have a MAG 271QPX E2. 1 year of usage. 2 more years of warranty and zero burn-in so far.

>>723895752 (OP)
why cant engineers just not be retarded and make this not happen

Ips was always slop for redditors, va and oled are the only acceptable options in 2025

>>723900389
so you want burn in to show up towards the end of your warranty is that the meta? drive it super hard when that 3 year deadline is coming up?

>>723900110
OLED starts burning as soon as it is turned on, and the problems can already be noticed in weeks. The guys saying that their screens are not burned are actually saying that, in normal use, the burned pixels are not noticeable to an untrained and not very attentive eye, and that's it.
Anyone who has had an OLED for more than a month (and used it every day for several hours) and runs solid color tests will be able to notice that the screen is no longer 100% uniform for all colors.

>>723900473
Because 4k
Weave these atoms smaller for me engineer daddy

>>723897852
This. Fuck Windows 11 and its blinding white taskbar. #1 reason I'll never "upgrade".

been playing Doom 3 recently (after 20 years) since I got a oled display for the first time recently.
Now I understand why this game was so scary when I first played it, back in the CRT days. What a difference a real panel makes to the experience of a horror game.

>>723897852
Remember when Windows 7 had a semitransparent taskbar?
I'd set porn to my desktop and put the girls nipples under the taskbar so it was sfw

>>723895752 (OP)
The piss poor static contrast of IPS is the real horseman. The only technology that manages to go over 1000:1 is IPS Black by Dell - an expensive technology that no one else uses, and it's stuck at 120Hz. FALD isn't really a very good compromise because, due to the fact that the static contrast is so SHIT, you'll be able to easily see the halo effects in multiple areas of the monitor. Obviously this depends on the scene, but look at a bunch of bright stars in a very dark sky and you'll see the halo effect with ease even with over 1000 zones.

Regarding VA panels, "Fast VA" panels, as they are advertised" are actually pretty good. They are still glacially slow when looking at very dark areas, such as panning a camera when looking at leaves during a dark night, but are overall really nice. Excelent colors, no blooming, much better viewing angles than TN - not as perfect as IPS but I doubt you'll notice the gamma shifting - the halo effect is very dim due to the very high static contrast so they pair wonders with FALD, and they are actually pretty damn fast in bright scenes. A good example would be Overwatch. in which they are about as fast as the typical IPS.

>>723900623
What the fuck are you talking about? Just switch your theme to Dark Mode.

is ips mini led good? (1000 zones)

>>723895752 (OP)
Why the fuck can't people come up with a good screen panel with none of these issues?

>>723901083
MicroLED should have none of them.

>>723899089
LITERALLY UNUSABLE!

CAN ONLY SEE IT ON TEST PATTERN WHEN EXPOSURE IS MASSIVELY BOOSTED + FILTER ADDED

DELETE THE DISPLAY THROW IT INTO THE GARBAGE HOLY SHIT ITS SO BAD!

>>723901371
To be fair, early LCDs were absolute garbage. There's a reason CRT TVs continued to outsell LCD TVs until 2011.

>>723901083
Because this image is outdate... from 3 years ago.
OLED technology evolved and are far more reliable than the 1st and 2nd gen panels. We are enterering in the 4th gen, btw.
Everyone seething about oled are just IPS/VA poorfags and thirdies.

>>723899089
> QD-OLED
The new 4th gen from both QD-OLED and especially WOLED should be significantly more resistant to burnin.

>>723896645
It hasn't. And there is also no such thing as burn-in on OLEDs.
There is only wear on the organic materials they use. It has a finite lifespan. Depending on what you put up on screen, some pixels wear out faster than others and become dim faster than others.

This is what creates 'burn in' - which modern OLEDs compensate for with screen 'refreshers,' which actually refresh fuck-all. What they do is wear out the other parts of the display to the lowest common denominator and then slightly boost power to make the whole screen give off nominal brightness again. Which actually means after each 'refresh,' the panel will wear out faster and faster. It's also why OLEDs have poor HDR max brightness compared to most LEDs. It's not that they CANNOT reach that brightness level, it's that the power range to do so is reserved to make the half dead panel still appear to function normally after a few years of wear and 'refreshing.'

Eventually, the power cannot be amped up any more without blowing a fuse or damaging the organic compounds and literally scalding and burning them. This is what produces dead pixels / black spots in OLED screens. Note that with most dead pixels there will be a corona of bright pixels around the dead spot. This is because the dead spot was actually instructed to go even brighter, which pushed a possibly already damaged pixel beyond its limits and fully burned it out. Faulty LG panels developing black spots along the bezels usually all have these coronas.

I've had multiple oled monitors and never had any burn in despite having them at 90% brightness and leaving them on the front page of youtube overnight many times.

>>723901171
I'm sure MicroLED will come with its own drawbacks.

>>723895752 (OP)
TN viewing angles, VA ghosting and IPS glow happen on new, fully functioning displays while OLED burn-in only happens on damaged displays. I think the LCDs should also have damaged panels for a fair comparison.

>mini led
>$260
is this actually good? everyone seems to be recommending it.

>>723901731
>There's a reason CRT TVs continued to outsell LCD TVs until 2011
Yeah, they were a quarter of the price and constantly on sale. Nobody wanted CRTs once LCDs and Plasmas hit the market, but the average person couldn't afford an LCD until 2011 when prices finally started to become reasonable.
CRTs ever being considered good is zoomer revisionism at its finest.

>>723901980
>AOC
>good
please anon, anything else

>>723901980
Yes but not that one specifically, get the new model or the ktc that costs about the same
Avoid ips

>>723901836
>It's also why OLEDs have poor HDR max brightness compared to most LEDs
Fucking WAT. Highest nits on the market are all OLEDs man you are full of shit.

>>723902160
>Avoid ips
why

>>723897916
>FALD
FALD isn't even the best way to handle the glow problem anymore.
Iirc it's TLC which was experimenting with multi-layer LCD panels using a color screen with one or two additional black and white screens behind it to serve as 'local dimming' at the damned pixel level.

They still need a VERY strong backlight to get good peak brightness though, and all that absorbed light in the back black-and-white panel layers turns into heat which has to go somewhere. That's the problem which still needs a solution. If they can crack that one, then both MicroLED and OLED will basically find themselves 100% superfluous.

>>723901997
Zoomers have no friends and don't know what it was like to move a 500lb 40inch CRT tv

>>723902209
Because in 2025 the biggest issues with va are long gone + ips kind of destroys the entire purpose of a mini led

>>723901782
how do you tell the generations apart

>>723895752 (OP)
>va
i was given one before and i can not handle it

>>723902209
Because not having local dimming zones in 2025 is outright pathetic. OLEDs have pixel level dimming zones while IPS having none is a joke that only PC gaymers and their dogshit standards have accepted for the past decade.

>>723902174
In the technical specs, yes. But the panels will never actually run at those nits for any reasonable amount of time.
The most you'll get at that level is an incidental flash bang before the panel's firmware forces everything to be pushed down.

>>723895865
fpbp
it just works

>TN viewing angles
Do I use my monitor wrong, should I be constantly moving about while looking at my screen?

>>723902478
IPS can be mini led

>>723901032
I have 576 and yes, it's good. But know that sometimes there's a delay with the local dimming. Happens a lot in Elden Ring.

>>723902483
That's perfectly fine in most situations or do you usually have long full white frames?

>>723901748
This, it's all poorfag cope from half a decade ago.

>>723902229
Full Array Local Dimming is common now. Has been for a long time. Samsung uses it in it's non-OLED TVs. My GP27U uses it, and it's pretty good. Just sit directly in front of the screen in a moderately well-lit room. The problem with it stems from dimming zones not being small enough for HDR. If microLED can do per pixel, or close enough, then OLED is dead.

OLED burn-in is a meme

>>723902317
>ips kind of destroys the entire purpose of a mini led
how? it's just IPS with a nicer contrast ratio
it's not as good as va but you get more accurate colors and less ghosting, I assume

>>723902775
OLED will still be better for video games due to better pixel response times.

>>723901083
cause you need to make and sell mass cheap shit - thats why retarded 1080 and tn won over 1200 ips ~15 years ago and it took pleb tech 10+ years to catch up with pro displays of the distant past

>>723901980
I have a LG MiniLED TV and I can't complain. Colors are good, backlight bleeding is almost non existent, and HDR is okay. Black levels are still not as good as OLED, though.

>>723900610
I've been using a WOLED panel for about 2 and a half years now, several hours a day most days, and in solid color burn in testers I can only see any variance in uniformity in the gray slides. It could be that the pixel cleaning cycles that the monitor puts itself through have made the panel dimmer over time, but its not something I've noticed.
It does have a cluster of *FIVE* fucking dead pixels near the top left corner that weren't there before, but I'm assuming that's just bad luck, I haven't heard of dead pixels being a common problem with oleds

>>723902317
>Because in 2025 the biggest issues with va are long gone
No they're not.

>>723895752 (OP)
I've never had any burn-in with my OLEDs, and they are both 4 years old. I'm sure it can happen, but it's far from an actual drawback, because by them you should just be upgrading to a new monitor.

>>723902387
I made the mistake of actually buying one a few years ago and IMMEDIATELY got rid of it for an IPS screen once I noticed the black smearing (which wasn't the only problem it also had visible scanlines across certain shades due to the odd subpixel layout, which is a common issue with some lower quality VA panels especially).

These days I wouldn't even touch VA outside of those higher end Samsung Odyssey ones (which to my knowledge are the only VA panels that have acceptable black smearing, though even they are known to have issues with scanlines).

>>723898574
Matte is so much better than glossy. Seeing my fat ugly mug in the reflection completely rips me out of the experience.

>>723902845
Debatable. IPS pixel response times are so good now that you need autistic levels of nitpicking to tell the difference.

unless you have a high end VA, this is what you're in for
and even high end VAs exhibit this to a degree, just not quite as much

>>723903254
It's never really debatable when the differences are vast. IPS still eats shit compared to TN and OLED. It all comes down to similar arguments as "human eye can't see more than 30 fps". Mind you OLED still doesn't look particularly good in motion without BFI so there are vast gains to be had in pixel response times.

>>723902160
>KTC
you mean this one? i'd probably be willing to spend more than $300 on a monitor but it seems like all the high end ones are OLED. is this the best option with a VA panel?

>>723903254
There's a reason why there aren't really IPS screens beyond 240hz and if you want to go past that point you're looking at TN or OLED generally.

>>723903352
Yea, these old VA panels are dog shit but Fast VAs, like Q27G3XMN, don't suffer anywhere near as much as this.

>>723903602
Is mini-led any good?
I'm looking for 4K Oled + 120hz or more + HDR that doesn't suck
Best offering are 900 dollaroos and it's only HDR 400 and I'm not sure if I want to bother with babysitting OLED

should I get a TCL HVA mini led or that new MSI IPS e16m mini led? I can't find any info online which is better

>>723903463
You'd lose in a blind test, let's not kid ourselves.

I have my 300 eurodollar 1440p philips IPS monitor next to my 600 eurodollar QD OLED MSI monitor and I had them both for quite some time now and I gotta be honest with you,
IPS is so fucking garbage holy shit, I'll take a year of OLED over 10 of this putrid shit

OLED is sorcery

>>723901083
>make a product with 0 issues
>people have no need to buy a new product every 3 years
>make a product with planned obsolescence
>people buy it over and over out of necessity
It’s not profitable to make something that works, but you can make a lot of money selling the same thing to people over and over. Why limit your sales to one per person when you can triple it just by making it shit?

I don't know what the fuck response times are and I'll never need to

>>723903973
I run UFO tests on my free time on different monitors and own multiple CRTs, LCDs and OLEDs. I am the last person on Earth that would fucking fail a blind test even if the common coprophiliac layman couldn't tell the difference.

>>723896645
Yeah, it is called getting a 5 year extended warranty with burn in protection and replacing the screen every 5 years after the burn in gets too extreme.
Burn in will never be "solved" with OLED. It is an inherent flaw in the technology.

I am still waiting for panel technology with all the benefits of oled and lcd with none of the downsides.

>>723898445
>>723899089
I think you're both missing the point. It will burn in. There's no avoiding it. How it burns in, is what depends on the content you view. Not if.

So, if I leave it on Windows after signing in, after a year there will be a burned in task bar. But if I don't leave it there for a year - if I switch away after only ten minutes, it's suffered 10 minutes of task bar wear. That's what people mean when they warn you about burn in. They're not supposed to be used constantly, but for movie rooms and shit as >>723900342 says.

>>723902547
No, it's fucked. You have to hold your head still in the middle, or your colours will be washed out, and the colours aren't very good to begin with. I used mine (I got it on sale, and I didn't know why it was so cheap) for 15 years before upgrading to a 4k IPS.

>>723904290
>i already know which monitor is doing what before hand
You'd fall for power of suggestion as well. Tsk.

>>723895752 (OP)
We could have had perfection, but patents fuckery took it away from us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

I've got AOC IPS with so much ghosting it makes action games literally impossible.

>>723904523
>I already know what different display technologies look like in motion
FTFY retard

>>723904524
>CRTs but without the one thing that makes then good
no

>>723904264
You will never need to, unless you have a cheap VA. Everything else (OLED, TN, IPS) look fine.

>>723904602
Yeah. You look at your monitors and know before hand which is which. But in a double blind, you'd probably fail.

>>723895752 (OP)
>one of these is only an issue if you ate poor
mmhiheehee mmmmmmhee mmmmhee

>>723904676
Insane weight makes CRT good?

>>723904759
If that's your only cope while sitting in front of a singular LCD monitor then go for it. You aren't worth the time.

>>723904835
not having discrete pixels makes crts good

>>723904680
TN looks like shit.

>>723904264
in the context of monitors, it basically means the time it takes for a pixel to change color
lower response time, lower ghosting

I found a CRT screen in my parents basement but I didn't realize how heavy these are and I broke it after I lifted it and put it down

>>723904853
You call it cope, I call it common sense. You're mostly crying about differences so minor it's practically a placebo.

>>723904902
Oh no. It's retarded and can't read.

Children born after 2000 have never seen a display that isn't sample and hold. They are posting ITT right now.

>>723905185
Are you 12 or do your parents keep you in the basement because you're retarded?

>>723905498
No I just went down there to look at stuff

I've been using my OLED monitor daily for over a year now and I don't have any signs of burn in. Even if I got serious burn in down the road I still would rather pay for a replacement than used an IPS display. I can't go back, I hated the shitty IPS glow my old monitor had so much. At the end of the day I'm not married to this thing and I'm not a brokie, if something breaks I'll just buy a new one if it's out of warranty.

>>723895752 (OP)
what does the new ipad use, double layered oled or something.
how's that compared to this tech?

>>723903463
Your own image shows there's not much of a difference.
At 240hz the TN panel has pixel response time of 3.54ms. The closest IPS analogue to that in your image is a 320hz panel, at 320hz an IPS panel has 3.90ms pixel response time.
So we can extrapolate that at 240hz the IPS panel would have around 5.2ms of pixel response time - which is more than the TN's 3.54ms to be sure, but the difference between 3.54ms and 5.2ms is not something your eyes will notice.

>>723905185
This can't be real

>>723905692
It's Tandem OLED and there's some new LG monitors that have that. The main advantage is being able to produce higher brightness for better HDR.

>>723905736
No bro. We've got a doctorate in UFO test over here. He'll see the difference.

>>723898574
I have not bought a monitor in like a decade because everything has been fucking matte.

Why are OLED monitors still $500+? All my phones in the last decade had OLED screens.

the thing is that VA ghosting is basically imperceptible except under very specific conditions.

its only a problem with extreme black to extreme white transitions. its functionally non-existent in games. youll never notice it. its why the guy from pc monitors who does very good reviews always has a hard time showing it. stuff like IPS glow is very easy to show because its insane.

where it is noticeable is on text pages, and only when scrolling. thats when the ghosting really shows up, and all it is is that in the "motion blur" of the scroll shit gets pretty messy.

va gets over-hated for its ghosting. it is easily the lesser evil of all of these. people will say stuff like "oooh all VA has is better contrast, but IPS has better color" or some cope like that. well guess what retard, contrast IS color. contrast is how we measure luminance in regards to colors. doesnt matter how far into the gamut you extent if you have shit contrast anyway.

>>723905736
>if you drag TN down to IPS Vsync levels it almost matches IPS
Very good, unfortunately for IPS TN panels clock higher Vsyncs which causes them to escape into the void between IPS and OLED as you can see from the 540 Hz results. It's also the reason why the first 144 hz gaming monitors we got were all TN. It's simply easier to clock which brings down response times.

>>723906094
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand.

>>723906091
I don't think VA ghosting matters when every game released recently is going to have TAA ghosting anyways.

>>723899089
the time passes but the green vomit remains constant
every OLED I've had came out of the box looking like this

>>723906201
Which was pixel response times for different panel technologies which itself spun off from OLED still being better for video games due to better pixel response times Q.E.D.

>>723906256
>TAA
Just enable DLAA/Native FSR/Native XeSS.

>>723906256
true, ghosting is a feature now. it certainly wont HELP but the point is it never really mattered that much. it was most noticeable in scenarios where it doesnt impact anything. like aight text gets extra blurry (if its black on white or white on black, particularly) when i scroll but im not reading it while scrolling.

>>723895752 (OP)
I'm going to continue using my 1680x1050 60hz LCD from two decades ago and you can't stop me.

>>723895752 (OP)
I have 4 years of burn in coverage for my OLED from Alienware thanks to credit card warranty extension hehe.
They pay shipping. I pay nothing lmfao.
Idk i guess those other screens suck tho

>>723906256
LCDs have introduced sample and hold ghosting for 25 years now even if you turn TAA off.

>>723906483
>Just enable these temporal upscalers by another name that all have ghosting
Retard

>>723905185
Zoom zoom zoom

>>723898574
glossy sucks more dicks than your mom

>>723900110
I purposefully burned-in my QD-OLED monitor for the 3 year burn-in warranty and it took me 20 months on full brightness. How did you manage?

>>723906545
How about you place some fucking scenery down around those rides and lines.

>>723895752 (OP)
Which is the least worst?

Modern OLED have built in safety programs to prevent burn in now.

>>723906693
How about you check the date.

>>723901083
because it's fucking hard?
>I want this device that inherently emits light and scatters it to have perfect black darkness with no contamination
that's not a trivial thing.

I won the IPS lottery and got a monitor with no visible bleed whatsoever
I can't wait for it to die in 2 years anyway because modern electronics are trash

>>723906708
OLED if you want the best quality image and can "jump through hoops" like using a dark theme for your browser and moving the taskbar to a second screen. If you do any static work or are a single monitor peasant just get a mini-LED.

>>723906742
>prevent
You can't prevent burn in, only delay the inevitable.

>>723899089
Oled burn in literally biggest tech bogeyman ever. I can't believe so many people still fall for this meme.

>>723906894
Having to babysit your monitor is unacceptable.

>>723906708
Burn-in is irreversible, but OLED has great contrast, great motion and great colors.
IPS has great colors and good clarity, but contrast sucks.
VA has great contrast and colors, but shit clarity.
TN has great clarity and decent contrast, but you need to be directly in front of it or the colors are horrendous.

>>723903054
>It does have a cluster of *FIVE* fucking dead pixels near the top left corner that weren't there before, but I'm assuming that's just bad luck
It's actually a fairly common issue with a lot of OLED panels, in particular sourced from LG. Usually only starts happening after extensive wear has built up after 6~8 years of use, as that when the overdrive becomes too much for pixels and they just burn out, as per >>723901836
But it can also happen as early as 2~3 years of use, if it turns out you lost the panel lottery and got dealt a monday morning or friday afternoon sample.

>>723906708
>OLED
technically pretty much the best, but it literally deteriorates with use
>VA
probably the best choice for 60 hz displays
>IPS
a literal lottery if you get decent backlight
>TN
it just works, but doesn't excel in anything, other than response times (for LCD), but has the least issues

>>723895752 (OP)
>Burn-in
Not a thing since fucking forever, real non-issue is permanence wich is only annoying when going from color to black, and even then it fades

>>723896562
organics are truly superior, best design of a screen is when it's alive. synthetics can't compete.

>>723895752 (OP)
I remember the old full hd screens for 100-200 that had perfect panels and fluidity without ghosting. Havent seen a modern display thats not oled that didnt have ghosting or horrible bleeding. What the fuck happened

>>723906990
It requires no active effort from the user aside from the initial setup. I don't think that qualifies as babysitting.

>>723901171
>>723901943
yes you have haloing and increased latency with the local dimming enabled

>>723906708
ips

>>723895752 (OP)
>IPS glow
Don't notice it unless I'm playing a dark game in a pitch black room.

is msi mag 272qp about as good as you can do when it comes to oled durability?
i'm not interested in 4k oleds until they can do more than 240hz, i don't consider that enough of an upgrade over my 144

>>723906091
>>723906256
VA smear is absolutely perceptible and you're absolutely going to notice it lol.

>>723907085
>I remember the old full hd screens for 100-200 that had perfect panels and fluidity without ghosting
The only flatscreen technology that fits that description is plasma TVs and the reason they went out of fashion is because they were expensive and motion clarity really doesn't matter when the average user uses it to watch cable TV. LCDs were and are poison for video games but here we are because they are perfectly good for watching sports and soaps.

>>723907349
works on my machine

>>723906937
People still sprout talking points from over a decade ago so that's not shocking

>>723907393
>works on my machine
I mean obviously? The average /v/ browser is so young they haven't seen a CRT or plasma TV in their lives and are too poor to ever touch an OLED. Of course LCD will seem just fine for these people.

>>723907305
I use QLED TV (VA with better colors) as a monitor and it's actually ok. Only in the absolute worst case scenario I can notice smearing when I really try to look into it.

And I know what severe smearing looks like.

>>723907305
I'm using a va and don't have this issue :)

>>723901997
my biggest regret was getting rid of my CRT.

>>723906545
you don't even realize how bad you have it. just make the switch monitors are cheap these days

>>723906993
>in particular sourced from LG
Well shit
I guess that explains that then, microLED can't come soon enough

>>723907508
>The average /v/ browser ... are too poor to ever touch an OLED.
It isn't expensive to buy an OLED any more. It's only expensive to have to buy one every few years.

Are Mini LED monitors actually worth it or should I just spend more for an OLED one?

>>723904835
>not having discrete pixels makes crts good
27" 4K screens effectively have non-discrete pixels, it's a solved issue.

the real reason to own a CRT is the zero motion blur, modern screens STILL haven't solved this issue.

>>723902595
i play staring into the sun simulator at least 8 hours a day

>>723907849
If the development of internet traffic is anything to go by a vast portion of /v/ browsers are from outside the first world. OLEDs can be had for $500ish but that's an impossible amount of money if you're from fucking Bangladesh. I genuinely believe I am posting on a site full of underage browns as it explains too many "opinions" here.

>>723907349
plasma TV's died because they are heavy. that's it. literally the ONLY thing the average consumer cares about when buying a TV is the weight.

do you wanna know why OLED succeeds as a luxury screen? it's not the picture quality, it's because they're thinner and lighter than LCD. that's literally it.

>>723907305
Depends on how bad your monitor is.
You still need to setup 120hz BFI regardless

>>723907997
I'm not buying a screen that I can't run like a workhorse for 10+ years. fuck I even have a 20+ year old CRT that still works well enough.

>>723906675
Old OLED display, probably.
Anything model released to market since about 24 months ago have so many indiot proof features, to say nothing of more durable oled tech in the first place, and you legit have to try HARD to burn in modern oleds.
It is technically happening, constantly. It's just short of a dedicated high contrast display with no dimming/shift and you're just not going to notice the trivially irregular burnout across clusters of pixels.

I have a 360hz OLED monitor
Most of everything looks pretty good on it
HDR is not as amazing as on my OLED laptop (yep I have one too). But it's of course nicer than anything else. It is really hard going back to IPS after this.
VRR flicker is a thing but I only see it on loading screens, because my games don't usually fluctuate like crazy
An absolute mess on linux to get working right
People complained about color fringing but I must have the one OLED monitor where fonts look nice, and I'm pretty fucking pedantic with that shit
I am disgusted by the fact that these so high end monitors have shitty DP ports, disabling DSC in Displayport limits you to 120hz
240hz to 360hz is noticeable, but at that point if someone told me I couldn't ever enjoy 360hz again I wouldn't cry about it

>>723908095
Plasma TVs were massive but so were the early LCDs with fluorescent lamps. I would know as I had one. It was 55" and could crush a baby just as easily as a CRT half the size. That didn't stop LCDs from overtaking plasmas already at this point.

>>723906675
Just general use. Gaming and web browsing. I suspect a lot of people who claim they don't have burn in actually do, they just think it'll look like the most severe cases where the an icon or taskbar is burned in a showing at all times.

If your blacks start to look cloudy, that's burn in. You'll also see burned in spots in certain games, but not in others. Sometimes it'll only show during certain lighting conditions

So which OLED monitor do you recommend? Samsung or LG?

>MAG 274QPF X30MV
anyone have this monitor? seems like the only mini LED VA with >1k local dimming zones, at least that i can find.

>buy oled
>looks the same as my last tv

>>723906339
And the differences between IPS and OLED being smaller than you can see.

>>723895752 (OP)
as someone that's been playing osrs with permanent static elements on screen for 12-16 hours a day on an oled monitor for over a year and a half, if i can't detect any discernible burn-in even when doing the monitor's built-in image tests i would consider it a solved problem

>>723908453
Alienware AW3225QF or their AW34 ultrawides if that's your thing.
I personally went with a AW3423DWF as 4k just doesn't run at good framerates (100+) with a good GPU but 3440x1440 still delivers more pixels than 16:9 1440p. 21:9 has the added benefit of looking very good when watching cinematic widescreen movies, imo better than 16:9 4k TVs. I'll be upgrading to a 21:9 5120x2160 OLED once GPUs catch up.

>>723896007
OMEME literally burns itself out to emit light. there's no way to stop it

>>723908916
Amusing post considering I have an OLED monitor and IPS side by side and it's extremely noticeable when anything is in motion. Not that it matters when the IPS' job is to show my chat windows and taskbar.

>>723898397
>panel protect
that literally burns the rest of the pixels to match the most deteriorated ones. you're literally killing your display. see >>723898463 >>723900610

Is VRR flicker that bad?

>>723909363
It was horrible when I played Fallout 1 and 2 so don't get an OLED if you only play those.

>>723909363
Depends.
On my OLED monitor I can't notice the flicker unless there's some really, really bad FPS fluctuations. Not really the kind of thing that happens often except for some games where the loading screens do a weird thing with GPU usage and go from idle to full really fast. A game where it's very easy to notice this VRR flicker is Ori and the Will of the Wisps. HDR is fantastic on OLED for games like these with highlights and shadows everywhere. But the loading screens do a weird thing where the framerate goes from nothing to max to nothing really quickly, and there is some form of strobing effect. Thankfully this is not present ingame.

>>723909228
>can notice a .02 second difference
Yeah fucking right.

>>723909363
just cap your framerates instead
tearing is a meme that only matters on low refresh rates

>>723909881
Oh yeah, as a test move about anything with text in it and the text becomes an unreadable blur very quickly even at low speeds on an LCD. An OLED fairs slightly better, but at high speeds it's still unreadable so still not CRT level. OLED with BFI gets very close to a CRT.

If OLED is so special then how come I can see the supposed difference between OLED and IPS on my ips monitor? Not falling for yet another meme psyop like hdr and 120 fps

>>723910330
>meme psyop like hdr and 120 fps
And resolutions higher than 1080p! You get a stat bonus from the whole third worlder set.

>>723910330
>can't see 120fps
imagine admitting this and acting like you have any authority on the subject

>OLED Burn-in
This was only a thing for early OLEDs. They don't have this problem anymore

>>723895865
How so?

what the fuck is a 4th gen oled and how do i know i'm looking at one

>>723895752 (OP)
Why can't they just make a monitor that has no issues, why do I have to choose what type of shit I want on my plate?

My monitor? TN.
My resolution? 1080p
My refresh rate? 60 Hz
My farsightedness? Undiagnosed because the doctor costs what my mom makes in a month

>>723910330
OLED is a big monitor psyop, that is correct. They could of easily just make it so that backlight gets selectively turned off in dark scenes on ips monitors and so on but that won't make them money so they have to push $2000 monitors that you have to replace every year because of planned obsolescence aka burn in

>>723910664
>They could of easily just make it so that backlight gets selectively turned off in dark scenes on ips monitors
Local dimming IPS monitors apparently also don't exist and are a psyop.

>>723910642
Here king, you dropped this

>>723895752 (OP)
>viewing angles
nonissue for pc gamers

>>723901997
>CRTs ever being considered good is zoomer revisionism at its finest
wrong, they have the same pros and cons as the panels listed in OP. If your use case doesn't require the pros that's fine, but they are and were good technology. t. 33

>>723910847
Depends on the size of your screen. PC gamers sit closer to the monitor so you start getting gnarly angles at smaller monitor sizes, at like 34 or so. There's also the issue with glossy finish monitors that can reflect light at large angles. Then again all of this is solved by giving the monitor a slight curve.

>>723910063
>anon sets his ancient dogshit IPS next to a brand new oled with BFI
>thinks he's an expert on picking thousandths of a second in pixel response time
The fact that you say it so shamelessly is what's so impressive.

>>723910642
How do you even find 60hz panels? Oh right because you made that all up because it makes you upset knowing that there's people who use 240hz tn's and get best value for their hobby.

>>723902297
neither do you. CRTs over 40" were so exceptionally rare that there may have never been more than a single digit amount of them made. 36" was the practical high end of consumer models and they weigh closer to 200 than 500lb. I have a 34" that weighs 180, I measured it. And I can carry it myself because I'm not a stringbean geek.

>>723911183
I bought both of these in 2023 but whatever you choose to believe, chief.

>>723911261
If you say so, pal.

>>723902478
dimming zones have nothing to do with the panel technology on backlit displays

>>723902547
if you lean back in your chair vs sitting straight up, the image will appear different.

>>723910508
It's fundamental to the technology.

>>723911414
Habeeb it.

IPS Glow is the flat earth of monitor conspiracies.

>>723911726
I have the 850 185hz model and it feels slower than my 10+ year old TN.

>>723911908
That's just IPS having worse response times. Atleast the colors aren't TN tier trash. I replaced my 2013/2014 1080p 144hz TN with this and while it looks better it's also worse than the TN in motion. Again, it just holds chats and the task bar so I don't mind. What I do mind is the glow. Even in a black screen it never turns off the backlight so I need to turn the monitor off to enjoy a movie or a dark video game on the OLED. It's like a constant fucking flashlight pointed at me.

I did some testing on input lag on my monitor and work computer on some different programs.

>>723907824
>high enough resolution that I can watch shows/movies and play games without needing to squint
>low enough resolution I can run games on ultra/high with a midrange card
>not blindingly bright
>no extra tacked on bullshit, just werks
>this is somehow bad.

>>723912193
>buys a dogshit low quality IPS
>blames all IPS for it
Typical Eurotrash

>>723912486
Are you saying my IPS became bad before the OLED? Damn, I thought long lifespan was the whole selling point of LCDs lmao. How can IPSfags justify needing to buy a 270€ monitor every 2 1/2 years?

>>723910981
CRTs are dogshit
>low res
>ginormous power consumption
>bulkier and heavier than the titanic
>analog video is dead, meaning you have to factor a DAC into the equation adding lag
>eventually develops burn-in anyway
You lost CRTrannies

>>723912824
Post the RTINGS specs if your IPS is so good.

>>723895865
>terrible contrast ratio
Absolutely not
I'll take VA ghosting over 1000:1 or worse contrast ratio

>>723912486
That monitor was 500 euros new here where I live.

>>723907508
I have used CRT, plasma, IPS, TN, VA, OLED, and projectors and the differences are so minute that it's ridiculous to actually have this discussion. I simply have all IPS on my main desktop because the minutae isn't worth the premium price.

>>723913346
>VAT

>>723913424
What?

>>723908095
This, and raw screen size (related). Consumers simply want the biggest viewing area they can carry.

>>723913361
Well boomers went from CRTs to fluorescent lamp LCDs so obviously the common layman doesn't really care about display technology performance aside from getting a discernible image out of it. Do you find yourself in this description?

>>723906062
>>723906642
The dual-faceted condition of mankind

>>723908628
Q27G4ZMN also has over 1k zones, but good luck finding it. It should be a lesser monitor, but also cheaper.

>>723913464
Value Added Tax. Ask your mommy about it.

>>723910590
The LG 27GX700A-B is the only monitor currently out that's the 4th gen oled. There's a gigabyte one out soon and a couple others later this year that all have the same panel too.

>>723913464
Gubbermint gibsmedats

>>723895752 (OP)
I know this is supposed to be a representation of the issue and not what it actually is but VA smear isn't like that.
It would actually look like the road texture is artifacting since it has a hard time switching between grays.

>>723913853
All goods have tax on them. Your point?

>>723906708
IPS is perfect if you don't care about horror games.

What monitor should I get for my Switch 2?
I need something that does 120fps for prime 4
Does 1080p on a 1440p monitor look like shit because it's not an integer scale? Should I just get a 4k one? Stay at 1080p?
please help

>>723913864
when are the others coming out then? cause that one seems unremarkably overpriced given that it's only 280hz when you could get a 500hz one for less

>>723913550
I'm interested in display tech enough to amass as many examples of different displays as I can and I still use CRTs when appropriate, but spending an additional $500 for an otherwise identical display simply because it has blacker blacks and faster refresh rate is retarded. You are not a professional gamer.

>>723907305
hey fuckwit learn to fucking read because i literally said the one place you will notice it is text pages.

you wont notice in gaming, at all.

>>723907305
>video meant to dunk on VA panels accidentally dunks on IPS because the black screen is way more grey on the left

lol, lmao even

Lots of confused anons asking for purchasing advice:

You would not believe how much this stuff doesn't matter. If you lined these displays up side by side you might notice a difference between them but one on one with each display you wouldn't find anything wrong.

>>723914552
Anyone could notice how bad TN panels are.

>>723914334
I am autistic about proper image quality which is why I run my retro consoles with RGB Scart to a CRT TV. I don't play games professionally but motion clarity especially is important for me which is why OLEDs are the displays for me. CRT phosphor glow busts my balls even if it's otherwise an excellent display technology.
The shit I watch for fun: https://youtu.be/yDGXbML3gUY

>>723914296
The gigabyte was released "worldwide" at the end of last month, supposedly out in north america mid-october but who knows. The others are December at the earliest. The lg one went on sale for like 200 off when the gigabyte got "released", just wait for a sale.

I wish the industry would just go all-in on miniLED or even microLED. It's basically the best of every world if done right. No glow, no backlight bleeds, no smearing, great brightness, great contrast, great color accuracy, no burn-in, great text clarity, etc. etc.

Unfortunately we're still in the delusional "OMG OLED IS THE ENDGAME" phase despite all the glaring issues with bad brightness, shitty text clarity, burn-in, etc.

>>723914932
You think display companies aren't constantly working on the next FOMO now that 8K flopped to take off? OLED is still the top technology because the burn-in issue has vastly improved vs. panels from a decade ago and it benefits from economies of scale. Fuck it took OLEDs a literal decade to get to monitors from handheld consoles like the Vita, so if that's anything to go by we are well over a decade from microLED monitors.

>>723913970
Hahahaha. Oh man. I knew Eurotards were dumb, but you really outdo the rest.

>>723914932
I have no idea where people get this. Oled users want the best. If there was something better they would buy it. If microled could do smaller and affordable sizes people would buy it but we were promised that shit decades ago. I was there and still waiting but until then I want something.

I got a rather budget mini-led recently and it's nice so far.

>>723895752 (OP)
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT OLED BURN-IN, I can just buy a new one.

What I DO give a fuck about with fucking OLED is:

VRR flickering
Aggressive ABL ruining HDR

Fuck that retarded shit they still haven't fixed, ruins every fucking positive about OLED and is much more distracting than the little bloom that high end MiniLEDs have

>>723915524
"MicroLED is just around the corner!" said the increasingly concerned conscious buyer while on his 2011 1080p TN.

>>723914932
best of all worlds my ass
your shit can't even do 200hz right

>>723915524
>If microled could do smaller and affordable sizes people would buy it
The problem is that all the manufacturers have all their factories set up perfectly for OLED productions and are making tons of money already. There's no incentive for them to eat the massive costs to convert their factories, just so they can make monitors that they currently deem to be "speculative" in the current market where everyone just buys OLED.

>>723915245
No, they too busy ensuring the tech isn't too good because perfection isn't profitable.

>>723913424
>VAT
Doesn't change the price in all actuality.

>>723915642
ips or va?

>>723915792
Like big pharma keeps effective medication off shelves for profit, right?

>>723915763
>Flickers in your general direction on any game that doesn't have rock solid fps (i.e. the one scenario where having VRR makes the most impact)
ONE FUCKING JOB

>>723915917
Here comes the corporate bootlicker

>>723916006
Don't forget
>play four niggas in a row
>100 hours later
>yo niggas always with you forever now

>>723915763
I have been told that you can't tell the difference.

>>723900610
i have an OLED and i just ran a colour test and saw nothing

>>723916078
Thought so.

>>723915763
>OLED, not only amazing image quality and color accuracy, but perfect for emulators due to input lag mitigation
OLEDBROS, we can't stop winning

>>723916108
KEK

>>723916181
>I've never known anyone with AIDS, so it must not be real

>>723909343
That's not how the MSI OLED Care functionality works, buddy.

>>723897852
Download TRANSlucentTB in Microsoft store. Although it does suck that they don't just allow you to move your taskbar to a secondary monitor, that's the best you can do. Make your OLED's wallpaper black, then use the app to make your taskbar clear. You can also make your taskbar opaque or a primary color like black.
The app uses around ≈150MB of RAM. It sucks that none of this is already in Windows 11. It feels like they purposely removed any features that worked well for OLED, almost maliciously. I guess that's what you get from H1B's vibe coding
>>723900861
>Remember when Windows 7 had a semitransparent taskbar?
Set the taskbar to blur, which is what I like.

>I'd set porn to my desktop and put the girls nipples under the taskbar so it was sfw
wtf

>>723916298
>this guy thinks that input lag and response time are the same thing

>>723916108
>27 years later
>aeris saved by OLED
burn in chads i kneel

>>723916773
It correlates

>>723916108
>play four niggas in a row with permadeath
>lose one of your characters in a fight
>his burn-in ghost remains on screen for the rest of the game

>>723917031
Kino.

>>723914398
Play alan wake 1 or 2

>>723906334
Where is this imaginary green

>>723916006
Havent had any flicker on my c4 or xg27acdng

>>723914505
>obsessed with blacks
why are oled shills such fucking cucks?

>>723914505
what a sad VAlet cope

>>723917959
You probably don't even have VRR set up correctly like every other normie

>>723895752 (OP)
I prefer VA. Don't really play fast paced games so the "ghosting" isn't really noticeable for me.
Well, OLED is perfection but I'm not spending that kind of money on a monitor/TV lol.

>>723918291
>y-you dont have it set up properly
No i do. As confirmed by the pendulum demo. Also i dont have a poorfag setup like you and your rx480

>>723895752 (OP)
OLED VRR flicking. You forgot to mention that, but it's also present in some VA panels apparently.

>>723896645
Retard

>>723901371
Off angle on a TN panel exaggerating the problem.

>>723900790
So much crushed near black. Looks like shit.

>>723917668
those are very dark games, if youd rather play with an IPS that is destroying the shadowy darkness of the games, youre a retarded person.

>>723919423
Im talking about smearing retard
Also ips minileds exist retard

>>723895752 (OP)
What the hell are Tennessee Viewing Angles

>>723895752 (OP)
CRTs and Incandescent bulbs to LED/LCD hell and its consequences have been a disaster for my eyes.
>>723896645
As long as the O is in OLED it will never be solved.

Bros, I bought the G61SD (matted OLED) 2 months ago on Costco because it was $550, but now I'm not sure about it. I play in a dark room, and I don't know if I'm missing out on a glossy OLED. They allow returns up to 3 months so if I'd like, I'd be able to return it. What do y'all think? Also there are some occasional screen flickers on the bottom half of the screen for some reason, where it displays a past frame on the bottom left and right for a frame. I also don't want to spend much money on a new monitor. The screen does look matted, almost like a soft fabric. And looking at glossy OLED's in comparison >>723898574 picrel, I feel missed out.

>>723903160
i bought mine 4 months ago, i really hope it will not burn in short time. I use it 4/5 hours a day

>>723920080
get a fucking warm light lamp and stop raping your eyes

>>723920365
I already wear glasses, I don't care anymore. Please answer

>>723920080
I vastly prefer glossy after getting my glossy oled a few years ago. The switch is a hassle but look up a model you'd switch to and then flip a coin if you feel crippling indecisiveness.

>>723920080
Just push the matte coating using your fingernails

Learn to do your research before coomsuming, dumb fuck,

So the best plan is to wait a couple of months for the tandem woled screens to drop, right?

>>723920652
What model did you get?

>>723920553
but i did answer
you absolutely should not sit in a dark room where the screen is the only source of light
try getting some decent light in there, that way you get to see it in a more expected environment so you have reference frame for the future
though the other issues are concerning i suppose so you should probably do it regardless

>>723919357
cope

>>723920818
AW3423DWF. It was literally the only OLED available in Finland aside from the AW3423DW at the time. I haven't been keeping an eye on development of OLEDs since I bought the monitor and TV in 2023.

my laptop screen has been fine for years.

>>723920080(me)
I'm thinking about getting XG27AQDMG on Black Friday instead but I heard some bad things about it. Is it worth it for the Glossy screen or am I being retarded

>>723920742
Yes. Or you can get the lg one that is already out but maybe wait til black friday sale at this point. The new ones will all use the same panel the lg has as lg is the one who makes w oleds.

>>723911414
Brother you literally just wrote fanfiction about another anon to cope.

>>723906708
OLED.

>>723916726
You can download the last release before the UI change on github, it uses less RAM.

>>723906708
OLED
>Burn in
I'm not poor. I'll buy another one in 5 years that's probably going to have wildly improved technology since we're still in the display tech arms race.
2026 is gonna see more tandem OLED, so I'll probably get one of those.

>>723896645
Not even actually oledkeks believe this.

>>723896645
My phone has burnout after one (1) year lol

>>723895752 (OP)
VA doesnt have ghosting, it has black smearing.

>>723922470
By how much? I'm not sure what the latest release before the UI is, I just found it out a few days ago and thought it was cool since I hated that my taskbar might cause burn in

>>723921253
XG27AQWMG is coming out next month and is going to be the new and upgraded version of XG27AQDMG, and apparently it also fixes a lot of the issues that the XG27AQDMG had.

>>723920080(me again)
>>723920689
Nevermind, I hate you niggers. I give up and am keeping this matted monitor, it's good enough and the colors are better than my 75hz 1080p ips monitor. I'm going to cope by thinking this guy is right >>723920854. Whatever, I'm gonna play stalker

>>723924279
Yea but it's probably gonna be like $800, I'm poor with bad decisions, I won't even dream of that

>>723924668
Nevermind, if it is gonna be $600 then I'll get that. Feels good man

>>723924527
by all means return it if you're not happy with it and have explored the possible use cases and you're still unsatisfied
use your consumer rights

>>723895752 (OP)
>muh tn viewing angles
i don't get this complaint desu. you shouldn't be viewing your monitor from some crazy angle anyways, just fucking point the monitor directly at where you normally sit while using your computer and don't stare at your monitor from a corner of your room like a weirdo.
it's not even like the angled viewing experience is "good" or in any way preferable in any other monitor type anyways, unless you like watching content that is all warped by the distorted aspect ratio you're seeing.

>>723925206
I'll wait for XG27AQWMG as it sounds promising unless I'm not seeing something. I can return the monitor until 11/20.

>>723915763
But they told me that my eye can't see more than 30fps.
Did they lie to me?

>>723928307
Idk where that rumor even comes from. I have a 240hz monitor and I went to my younger brothers computer which was 1080p 60hz and it was genuinely unplayable. I can't even explain it, you just have to experience it. It looks so laggy and it stutters so bad even though it's at a constant 59-60 fps. I guess it depends on how smooth it is, Bloodborne on 30fps doesn't look bad

>>723928950
>Idk where that rumor even comes from.
Back in the day Playstation and Xbox were telling that to their customers.
Console faggots bought it completely and for years used it as an argument why consoles are better.

>>723925675
youre not going to be perfectly center and eye level to your monitor at all time.

>ultrawide
>QDOLED
>curved
>1440 pixel height
>175hz

I risked it all with this purchase, and oh my fucking god, it's perfect in every way. 3 years of use, no burn in.

>>723932449
AW3423DW bro. Never going back to 16:9 and I'm glad I decided to beta test the tech.

>>723904441
>technology with all the benefits
it's called crt

>>723922186
Anybody that uses that word like that is illiterate to me. What's feminine Timmy gon do?

>>723914932
your complaint is ignorant. display manufacturers are working on the next big thing, it will just be many years until it's at an economy of scale where consumer purchase is viable. oled had finished prototypes in the 00s.

>>723925675
tn viewing angles are so bad that even viewed in ideal circumstances straight on it has distortion.

>>723906937
Is it better on monitors than on tvs?

>>723919357
This is why people modded in a flashlight on your gun. It was called the duct tape mod and was hugely popular because you can't see shit in that game.

>>723898574
I've had a matte screen for years and I can't go back

>>723903734
>For a measley $300 you can get /less/ dog shit blur
No thanks, rabbi

>>723904128
>Thing that costs 300 once doesn't look as good as thing that costs 600/yr
You don't say...

>>723914505
Yeah, man blacks are so deep all other colors disappear when it moves because of the smearing. Totally good looking, bro.

>>723912879
You should add:
>absolute nightmare to get rid of if it breaks or something
>can't just throw it away
>has to be taken to specific dumps or recyclers
>...wait, how many dozens of miles away is this place?
>mfw CRTs are considered radioactive-waste tier of unwanted trash

>>723900936
I don't want to enter dark mode, I just want the taskbar black.

>>723912879
>low res
31KHz CRTs can do resolutions higher than 1080p at various refresh rates higher than 60Hz.

for me the four horsemen are
chromatic aberration
motion blur
depth of field
vignette

volumetric fog is the pale horse

>>723936087
I told you how
>>723916726
>>723922470

>>723916998
It absolutely does not, which you would have known if you weren't born after plasma screens got axed.

>>723895752 (OP)
ips gets burn-in, too

>>723936191
And even if you just stuck with 60hz, it's not like that's a bad thing. 60hz on a CRT looks GORGEOUS compared to 144hz on a shitty IPS or TN LCD. Funny part is it's easier to run too, don't have to sweat it trying to maintain higher and higher performance demands from new games attempting to reach 144+ fps.

>>723895752 (OP)
I splurged on a 4K OLED gen 8+ TV for over a grand a year ago because my shitty samsung IPS died, got chipboard burn out or something from a defect that wasn't covered for refund, and it's so fucking good. Love the game manager stuff and g-sync is far better than v-sync, makes me feel like gamers aren't so oppressed a minority anymore when software like that comes prepackaged with TV's nowadays.
Haven't seen a single bit of burn in yet but I run that maintenance thing that takes a couple minutes once every couple months just to be safe.

Guys I'm thinking about buying to a 32 inch 4k monitor for my new pc. Would my old games look too pixelated on such a screen. I won't mind buying a 27 inch monitor if it was like that. Give me your advice.

>>723910642
this but nearsightedness

VA (first due to price) > OLED
IPS is good for potable devices like tablets and laptops or office use but shit for home use.
the VA issues are overblown and hardly noticeable.

>>723895752 (OP)
I feel like such a retard for having a va screen to this day, dogshit experience.
Recommend any good alternative that has support for at least 144hz and 1080p-2k resolution.

>>723895865
subhuman poorfag moment

>>723895752 (OP)
you didn't even include the completely dogshit thing that they all universally share
>MEDIATEK SCALER CHIPS

>>723923958
You must be a complete fucking retard who uses it on 100% brightness at all times and leaves it on for 10 hours a day on static content

I had my OLED phone at 40% brightness and it had no signs of burn-in even after 5 years

>>723903816
you're waiting on good Tandem OLED. MiniLED is just IPS with slightly better dimming

>>723911225
what a strange thing to get pissy about

>>723895752 (OP)
miniled ips such as the xiaomi g pro 27i

hardware autists are somehow the worst posters on /v/, these threads should all be on /g/ instead

>>723895752 (OP)
>tfw no 144hz 1440p 27" glossy ips/miniled panels
i feel like its been forever since i have seen a monitor that ive truly gotten excited about. atm i use a 32" 4k and its /just/ too big for comfort. i cant really justify getting rid of it or getting a new monitor because it looks killer and werks perfectly fine
>>723912879
>low res
im glad that people still think of crts as blurry dogshit so i can get pc crts for cheap still. my non special, slightly better than generic crt still pisses on most monitors almost 20 years out.
>eventually develops burn-in anyway
only if you use it as a security monitor. OLEDs biggest failure is that no matter what, it WILL burn in in some form whether it be image retention or uneven wear. meanwhile my several monitors have 0 (zero) burn in whatsoever.

>>723939964
hardware is 90% of the experience of whatever game you're playing, faggot

>>723940094
if you're an autist, maybe

>>723924264
It uses 2.1 mb of RAM. Version 4 Hotfix 5 from July 21, 2020.

If the response time is lower than refresh rate, There shouldn't be any ghosting right?

>>723895752 (OP)
Accurate. There's not a single, modern monitor technology that isn't severely compromised by various issues and caveats.

>>723896007
Making the screen flicker wouldn't help in any way. OLED burn-in, despite the common misconception, isn't some particular effect that only appears after the image has been static for some long period of time. OLED burn-in is literally just wear from usage. All that matters is the total cumulative time spent displaying particular images. If you display static images AT ALL, then the pixels are going to wear unevenly while those static images are displayed. It doesn't matter if the screen flickers or you take breaks and then return to the same static image once again, if total cumulative use time remains the same then the screen is still going to wear out a proportionate amount to the total time spent displaying whatever you had up on it.

All the OLED care and burn-in prevention features do is that they basically attempt to evaluate the state of the screen and then effectively reduce brightness on all other pixels in order to prevent visible patterns from showing up. Eventually they show up anyway, rather quickly if you spend a long time with static elements on screen. The monitor also slowly dims as you use it and due the different colored subpixels wearing out at different rates anyway the screen may end up slightly tinted in one color or another.

>>723899089
>try your hardest, deliberately, to cause burn-in
The image you posted is from normal work use, mostly editing documents. It is not trying to deliberately cause burn-in, the guy just replaced his work monitor with OLED and is working as he normally does while keeping track of the degradation. There is no deliberate burn-in. Deliberate burn-in would be like those tests while literally run the screen 24/7 on the same image. This is just a guy using an OLED screen for office work.

>>723899089
You will never be a woman

>>723895865
IPS monitors can cause extreme eye strain. I'd always choose a VA or TN panel over that. OLED is obviously the best choice, if you aren't a poor fag.

>>723900790
The game was scary because you were a kid or teen when it came out. It was scary for me too. I replayed it in VR on an OLED headset and it wasn't scary at all. Played too many games, it's too easy to see behind the curtain now. Can't be scared about some shit popping up behind you once you notice that the epin scary demon summoning animation is actually so fucking slow you can just run up to it and unload the shotgun into the demon before it can even move. It's just not the same anymore when you're not a kid who shits his pants at every sound.

>>723907154
MiniLED has haloing, microLED is like OLED (individual subpixels are LEDs) except it's not organic, so it shouldn't degrade (or it will degrade much, much slower). Regular LEDs don't really degrade if they're not overdriven.

>>723906708
OLED if you're a pleb who can't see the burn-in anyway, or if you only use it for full-screen video playback or for games you don't play long (like you're not one of those people who dumps thousands of hours into 1 game).

MiniLED (IPS probably) if you want something that should last and can actually go bright, with the caveat of haloing.

TN viewing angle is only an issue on PC if you ever want to use your display in portrait for whatever reason (eg. MAME).

Modern VA monitors barely even have ghosting. VA TVs are still horrible though

>>723942752
>went from Oculus Rift to Quest 3
>AMOLED to LCD
Was worth the trade-off since the deep blacks of the Rift meant fuck all when anything lit on the screen god ray'd the fuck out.

>>723942884
Index is dim as fuck, feels like playing in fog. I bought a bsb2 though so I'm going back to OLED if it ever actually arrives.

>>723942884
The OLED in the Rift CV1 wasn't even that good because they elevated the blacks to reduce mura. It was kind of disappointing but my god did I not know how good it was until I used a Quest 3. It doesn't really matter unless you're playing a horror game though. I tried to play the Metro game in a Quest 3 and I couldn't see shit in the dark parts

>>723938850
Here's what that looks like on my Hisense 75U8K (uses an advanced IPS-style panel called ADS Pro)

>>723944037
Here's just that actual test image in a pitch black room.
I only have an S25 to take a picture with, but I don't see whatever that glowing effect it has in real life.

IPS or VA for miniLED? Looking to replace old G5 Odyssey from 6 years ago, and from this thread I saw few potential picks
Eurofag btw

>>723944616
Well with IPS you have slightly lower native contrast ratio with a potential for more blooming

With VA you have fucked up subpixel layout, worse pixel response times, black smearing, worse viewing angles, and VRR flickering

>>723895752 (OP)
VA ghosting is pretty much nonexistent on modern monitors, making it the superior choice as it has no other cons.

>>723944718
Worse viewing angles, less accurate colors

>>723944885
>worse viewing angles
you're supposed to look at your monitor from the front not from behind
>less accurate colors
perhaps, but the 0.0001% difference in gamut is largely irrelevant unless you're doing professional work which requires accurate colour representation, it's also negligible nowadays considering you can just fuck around with colour settings and adjust things to your liking

>>723944718
Show me a VA panel you can buy RIGHT NOW that doesn't black smear with PROOF

>>723945031
I didn't say nonexistent, I said "pretty much nonexistent", yes, there is a minuscule amount of ghosting, but the tech has gotten good enough where it's pretty much unnoticeable, especially compared to older VA monitors.

>>723945084
Still no proof it doesn't black smear, destroying any dark textures in motion

>>723944718
nuh uh anon, like 12 years ago I saw a va monitor once and it was bad
>>723945031
like all of them as long as you don't use some type of retarded setting or overclock it or something. Even the cheap ones are fine now.

>>723945131
Still no proof for no black smearing
I swear VAfags are worse than OLEDfags

>>723945124
re-read my post, you illiterate nigger

>>723945305
Proof black smearing is "unnoticeable" in any single VA monitor RIGHT NOW

>>723945406
go buy one

>>723945430
How about no?
The burden is on you to prove there is one with my NO BLACK SMEARING criteria worth buying

>>723945469
Unless I can give you a direct visual feed from my eyes it's impossible to prove, retard, any camera shutter speed will amplify the effect

>>723945552
Then we are done here

>>723945667
done with what?

>>723945706
with foreplay

>>723945761
if you call that foreplay then it's no surprise you are still a virgin

Why is that guy recommending some shady github app just get wallpaper engine on steam

>>723906895
A $500 IPS will come with banding/fringing at the edges worse than a $500 OLED with 3 years of accumulated burn-in

>>723914505
>blacks are 20% blacker on left
>whites are 3x blacker as well
hmmm

>>723915767
"Everyone" is just in the phone space. Everywhere else the older technology is still much more affordable. People will buy Oled if they finally bring down the price which may happen in the next few years. Actually Oled TVs went down a little lately so there is hope.

I bought OLED and you won't stop me from buying OLED in the future as well.

>>723895752 (OP)
I'll take the OLED and just dial down the brightness so it doesn't burn in as easily. Bright monitors hurt my eyes anyways.

>>723946546
>3 years
Try 10.

>>723946612
the funniest part is neither example results in readable text while scrolling, unlike crt

>>723899289
Imagine buying a monitor and it has something stupid burnt in like big chungus or other young people memes.

>>723895752 (OP)
My 20 years old TN monitor still has very good viewing angles though. It's a SyncMaster 740BF.

>>723940365
>OLED burn-in, despite the common misconception, isn't some particular effect that only appears after the image has been static for some long period of time. OLED burn-in is literally just wear from usage.
It might be that people don't understand what burn-in is, because this is the exact definition of burn-in as it was coined for CRTs. The brightness of the phosphorus layer degrades over time and if you display static images, the wear isn't even. All a screen saver did back in the day was show something not static to even out the wear and avoid burn-in.

>>723942970
I did the work-around to just have it show the mura, which wasn't bad on my Rift 1. Was either mura + pretty decent blacks, or having a static noise filter applied on top which looked worse to me.

> I tried to play the Metro game in a Quest 3 and I couldn't see shit in the dark parts
I find some VR games lack basic gamma/brightness settings to compensate for LCDs crushing the blacks. Walking Dead S&S1 has this issue as well, but at least you got a flashlight on you at all times.

I'll still take the pancake lens sweet spot size and vastly better text legibility over the CV1 Rift though.

>>723915825
IPS, TITAN ARMY P275MV PLUS

>>723913161
My IPS is 2000:1 tho? Also has a Delta E(avg)<2

>>723950372
Is the haloing really that bad?

>>723940584
>OLED is obviously the best choice
OLED sucks for any content below 75 fps or so, which isn't a problem for PC master race but if you want to play any console game on it you're fucked
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=10593
https://blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/

>>723950884
Imo, no, but maybe I'm just not really bothered about it in the material I've used on it.
From the issues I've noticed, when I ran local dimming at the highest setting and run some tests the smearing was noticeable, so I dropped the level and then it was fine.

>>723944364
>cherrypicked image still has ips glow

>>723895752 (OP)
Motion blur is worse than all of them combined.

>>723940584
>IPS monitors can cause extreme eye strain.
Care to elaborate? I haven't had symptoms of extreme eye stain since I was a teen and I've been using IPS for years.

>>723902547
You need to use extreme angles until you notice a difference

>>723951207
If IPS smears I can't even imagine what VA does

>>723952358
There is no link between IPS and Eye Strain, or any panel tech, such as VA or Oled for that matter. What could cause the eye-strain is the brightness or too cold white colours. In which case, yeah turn down the brightness, but that is any screen.

>>723952668
OLED causes less eye strain

>>723901980
I have it. It's pretty good, there's some jank I've experienced but otherwise I'm happy with it.

The jank being

>some freesync compatibility weirdness where nvidia thinks it's not compatible (you can turn it on anyway)
>local dimming isn't great in sdr
>some haloing sometimes
>some weird HDR standard so you have to fix colours a bit in the control panel

It does have some usual VA smearing but for me it's so small it's not noticeable. Some people say there's bad VRR flicker but I haven't experienced that either outside of loading screens, probably because my pc is good enough for the framrate not to swing around a lot anywhere.

>>723952713
There is no actual research to support that, again, it varies by person. Some people can't handle high contrast, some can't handle certain amounts of blue-light, some can't handle cold colours. Any of those things cause "eye-strain" and none of those are exclusive to any of the display technology.

>>723952856
To add further, it's normal to not get any eyestrain what-so-ever, other then from prolonged use of staring something close to your face. If you do have eyestrain when looking at displays and it's not from the former then you are not the norm.

>>723952934
No it’s definitely something in the oled tech. I can use any other screen at full brightness just fine, but oled causes a specific itchy burning feeling in my eyes almost instantly when the screen is at a high brightness, doesn’t even have to be full. I only get this with oled, I’ve never felt it with any other type of screen

>>723952668
You forgot about OLED VRR flicker, it put extra strain on eyes but otherwise you are correct.

>>723953507
>VRR
True, but that is more to the blame of VRR and people being hyper sensitive to it, but VRR also exists in IPS or VA if you choose to go for that type of tech.

>>723914505
>the panel ghosts and smears in a glaring way b-but at least the color black is slightly darker!
lol

>>723952489
It was only on the top setting, but on the test with a small white square moving rapidly on the screen, it went a bit gray. On lower settings it was not an issue. Also, I haven't tried that DyDs option this monitor has.

>>723914398
>you wont notice VA smear in gaming, at all.
but you will >>723903352

Can I get the qrd on bfi on OLEDs?
If I get a 480hz oled and turn on bfi will it lower itself to 240hz and only require 240fps while looking much better?

>>723895752 (OP)
hehe hor-semen

>>723954043
>Can I get the qrd on bfi on OLEDs?
Headaches.

>>723934861
Same. I'm still using a matte LCD I got in 2009. I should probably buy a new one but it just fucking works.

>>723954007
Fast-HVA is a thing, you know

>>723954341
They still smear when scrolling text on dark backgrounds. There is no smear free va

>>723954448
>reading
lol
lmao even

>>723953110
Why do you need max brightness also the contrast probably reveals you have bad eyesight

>>723954043
Yes, that is the whole idea.
But you will get dimmer screen and if you are sensitive to flicker you might not like it.

>>723951510
Thats now glow its fucking blooming youll see it even on the vas. and oleds (caused by exposure) on rtings

>>723954465
You have no actual reply because youre a small brained jeet. Theres no va panel regardless of subtype that doesnt have smearing. Still waiting for you to record ur va in alan wake 2

>>723938913
nigga lives in his room
adults go out for 2+ hours a day where it's impossible to use any phone on 40% brightness.

When can we use matrix-style plugs to connect directly into the system so we no longer have to deal with inherently flawed panel types.

>>723950948
people have consoles plugged in to OLEDs without any issues at all.

>>723955363
He mean 30fps games appear to judder/stuttrr more on oled due to instant response times so theres no smear between frames

>>723954621
>ur va
>alan wake 2
What am I fag to you? I don't have VA or played AW2 but fast-hva is decent monitor for gaming, outside of viewing angles everything is solid, as bonus contrast is much better than IPS.
Just saying how it is.

>>723955535
No it still smears and flickers on complex geometry and like carpets in witcher 3

>>723955535
no VA panel is immune to VA smear. it is a massive issue that manifests any time something with darker colors moves on your screen regardless of context and anyone who used to have a VA panel but no longer owns it one (so they're not gonna lie out of cope) will attest

>>723955481
>>723955363
yeah 30fps is unplayable. I tried playing Bloodborne on my new OLED TV and instantly took it back to the store
Even 60 fps can be a problem if you have good eyes. There's lots of playstation games that have FPS in between 30 and 60 and it's stutter hell. The blurbusters links I posted explain it all. I'm still pissed at rtings for saying that OLED was 9/10 for gaming, I'll never trust them again

Which puts the least strain on the eyes?

Thinking about getting one with miniLeds as a NEET with tight budget.

>>723956095
I have no problems playing 30fps games

>>723956243
Miniled would strain even more especially in hdr

>>723956436
what monitor/TV?

>>723940291
It gets a little better the higher the refresh rate but VA panels will ghost regardless.

is it worth pulling the trigger on a msi mag 272qp or is anything similar but newer coming out soon?
i'm after the 500hz refresh and bfi support

HVA Mini LED or Fast IPS?

>>723895752 (OP)
I'd pay for a new oled every 3 years if they all had solid bfi functions.
But sadly they don't, oled monitors sucks for gaming and oled TV keep getting worse, so I have to babysit my LGC1 and hope to fucking god it doesn't burn in because I can't just buy the new LGs, they're a downgrade. Thankfully it never did in 4 years but that's because I use it exclusively for gaming, it never sees anything else.

>>723956776
Lg c4 and xg27acdng

>>723958814
>new c5 is a downgrade to c1
Retarded anon
>oled sucks for gaming
Again hes retarded

>>723958482
I only checked this for 5 min but I would say no.
https://www.displayninja.com/msi-mag-272qp-qd-oled-x50-review/
Bfi is 250hz only. That's better than nothing, but buying a 500hz display only to actually use half of it (even if that's better than native 500 because you get 500hz level of clarity without actually needed to achieve such an impossible framerate) well isn't that a bit of a shame? actually good bfi implementation normally shouldn't be using a refresh cycle to work, this is the most braindead basic implementation, and since it can't be used at 120hz which is a much more common framerate it's just not ideal. What games can reach 250fps and have no pacing issues at that framerate? Most games except a multiple of 30/60.
Also it's qd oled, these burn a bit more than regular oleds. the warranty covers it technically but will they be anal about it if you actually do try to claim it? who fucking knows

>>723958626
Fast IPS with backlight strobing

>>723959194
I actually know my shit you fucking retard. Fuck the fuck up.
The C1 >>> the C2/C3/C4/C5 because these newer models have downgraded BFI with less clarity at 60fps and NO 120fps bfi mode. That's why they're all worse. That's why I panic bought the C1 back then as soon the C2 was announced with these downgrades.

Oleds aren't just magically better for gaming out of nowhere, they NEED the bfi mode to clear up the sample and hold motionblur they do still have, if you don't, their pixel response time are basically wasted behind all the blur.

>>723959276
>Most games except a multiple of 30/60.
And most monitors support multiple refresh rates. That one can be set to 480Hz among others.

I love my OLED monitor. Amazon 1 left in stock for half price and I'm tempted to buy it as a spare for when I eventually get burn in

>>723944037
>Hisense 75U8K
I have the same TV and it's been great so far too, but I definitely notice the IPS glow here and now

>>723959129
it was an LG oled I returned because of the stutter at 30 fps. Maybe I'm cursed with superior elf eyesight

>>723895752 (OP)
I'd like to get an oled monitor, but I just browse and read too much on the internet to make it work

>>723959573
>stutter at 30 fps
why are you playing games at 30fps?

I got the worst of oled and lcd in one because my tv has vrr flicker and also smearing because its VA. Smearing only really happens around 60 fps and the vrr flicker happens if the fps is fluctuating a lot around 60 fps but it means that I have to set my frame caps to like 75 fps instead. Most of the time I'm getting higher frames than 60 so it's not really an issue but it's still annoying.

>>723959487
My bad, read this shit too quickly. Some monitor just straight up have a fixed refresh rate when activating their strobbing mode and I assumed the same was true for this one.
if you're ok with all these limitation just go for it, personally I just wouldn't.

>>723959592
playstation exclusives

>>723895752 (OP)
I have a AOC C32G2ZE and the ghosting is minimal. Can play twitchy games without it being annoying or even noticeable. It was really cheap too, especially for its size. Very happy so far.

Based on that at least it seems like VA ghosting is a problem that you can do a lot to minimize with the right engineering.

>>723959430
Oh youre the bfi autist lmao

So youre saying an oled and lcd is the same for pixel response? This guys actually retarded

>>723959678
I'm not the original guy. In my experience monitors with strobing modes refuse to turn it on below a certain rate but still support multiple ones (my 240Hz IPS won't enable MBR if set to 50, 60 or 75Hz but anything above is fine). BFI cuts the refresh rate in half so they advertise it at 250Hz but I'd assume that you can turn it on at 480Hz to effectively get 240Hz.

>buy IPS
>lasts me years
>glossy monitor
>upgrade to some graphics design oriented IPS
>80hz but yuge screen, resolution and 5ms response time
>upgrade to 1ms bigger nice 180hz Gigabyte IPS
>always buy Gigabyte hardware, never have an issue with any of it, figure monitor will be the same
>no complaints
None of them ever broke and its been a steady quality improvement each time. Never had an issue with any of them. No dead pixels, eye pain, glow/halo effect, nothing. I've never bought a monitor without autistically and obsessively researching them first as I only buy something if it'll last me many many years without issue.

>>723895752 (OP)
I'm still on CRT.

>>723944037
My GP27U looks like the right in a bright room while you're sitting directly in front of it. /v/ doesn't know about full array local dimming.

>>723963294
My non miniled IPS looks like right in a bright room. This is why people who shit on IPS monitors film them in completely dark rooms because this is the only way to see glow.

>>723963434
Or they get a bad IPS panel, not knowing that all panels (even OLED) come in multiple tiers of quality. 1:1000 contrast is low, yes. But some panels have even worse colors than others which makes the low contrast look worse (looking at you, Samsung G4).

>>723963434
I mean using your phone to take a pic of IPS glow exacerbates the issue too. Camera's be like that.

>>723895752 (OP)
I just use IPS. OLED has too many bullshit attached and I don't play with the lights off so IPS glow doesn't bother me

>>723968461
Soon? OLEDs have been sold for over a decade now so you should find them right now if burn-in was as widespread as is insisted.

>>723959430
>The C1 >>> the C2/C3/C4/C5 because these newer models have downgraded BFI with less clarity at 60fps and NO 120fps bfi mode.
Not everyone is as obsessed as you are about motion clarity, and 60hz BFI is good enough.
The C5 is still brighter and runs faster at 144hz.

just buy a 4k TV and be done

>>723959430
desu the 60 Hz only BFI is perfectly fine for consoles. PC output you have other solutions like CRT scan shaders that perform the same without losing brightness by going with an older model.

>>723959791
No that's not me. Though I understand your frustration when more than one person ITT cares about motion blur and you are agnostic to the issue.

>>723969723
I see especially blacks buying the cheapest 4k LCD and pretending they are equivalent to top end OLEDs because "dude it's also 4k". In that sense your pic is just perfect.

>>723895752 (OP)
My LG C1 is going on 4.5 years. No issues so far. But I have the bestbuy warranty which covers burn-in until next year so it'll be fine for a solid 5 years. The newer TVs are even more efficient so they get less burn in. Not sure why you think it's a problem.

>>723971258
>CRT scan shaders
They HAVE to implement it on TVs on software/hardware level, it simply absolutely solves this shit unless you go nuclear autistic mode with 480hz+
UFO guy needs to suck someone's dick to make this happen.

>>723895752 (OP)
Is oled burn in that bad? This pic looks exaggerated. Even my old plasma wasn't nearly as noticeable as that when playing games, and I assume oled would be better, not worse. Maybe it's because of >>723897852
But really just have a shitty IPS as a second monitor and keep your taskbar on that

I miss my plasma. Why did it have to randomly blow up

>>723972146
They kinda did already with OLED Motion Pro which uses a top-to-bottom rolling image. The issues is that the usecases are extremely marginal as consoles don't really use 120 Hz alot and PCs can just implement the effect in software. Even now the people that know about BFI are rare and the people willing to trade brightness for motion clarity are even rarer.

>>723972460
But I don't want to use it for 120, I want to use it for 30.
Who's dick I have to suck to make it happen?

>>723973153
If you want to use BFI for 30 fps then any BFI mode will do, even C2 and later's 60 Hz mode.

>>723901610
Die OLEDShill

I won't buy your meme tech

>>723906992
TN then, thanks anon

Thread TLDL:
>If poor
IPisS

>else
OLED

>if retard
CRT

>>723974356
true poors pick VA
pro gamers pick TN

OLEDBros, Miniledbros, are we cooked?

>>723974257
Anon, IPS now has good contrasts. We have 2000:1 displays, etc. TN actually has the worst fucking contrast of all display technologies, Idk what that other anon is smoking.

>>723974597
>Just wait™ for the new stuff
REEEEEEEE

OLED shills are so pathetic. IPS is perfectly fine, you do not need to spend a thousand dollars for some fucking black levels. Your eyes naturally equalize to whatever contrast you're looking at anyway.

>>723974845
What else are we supposed to do if the current tech is shit?

>>723974886
You underestimate autism.

>>723975014
New tech will also be shit but for different reasons.
They fix one thing but fuck up something else.

>>723896007
I don't know about OLED monitors but I think (at least LG OLED) TVs have a pixel shift.

If it detects the same pixel has been shining the same thing for too long it shifts the row 1 pixel to mitigate burn-in.

Also I read that OLED has "burn-out" more accurately than "burn-in", meaning the pixels gets darker over time as they get spent. Don't know if true.

>>723974886
t. watch kino with lights on

>>723973481
It's not just the BFI.
Guess Retrotink is who will be getting the suck

>>723974886
Poor and blind is one hell of a combo. Pick a struggle.

>>723974778
If you are stupid enough to buy anything on /v/ recommendations alone then you deserve TN in 2025.

>>723975641
Retrotink 4k is $750 and can only do BFI when outputting at 1440p.

>>723975153
That's how progress is made desu;

The future is MicroLED(Premium) and RGB LED(Poorfags)

>>723976105
Nice, I thought it was 1080p only, but it's still just BFI. That's why I have a lot of sucking to do