Thread 723934975

Granblue PROVES modern controls WORK
There is NO excuse not to have them

Charlotta has a running flash kick.

If you want easy inputs in fighting games, you're not allowed to bitch when you get stunlocked in touch of death combos that your opponent never drops, reminder that easy inputs goes both ways

>>723935596
she needs it

>>723935596
/thread

>autocombo slop modern control slop grubhuble shitasy
Miss me with that gay shit.

>>723935758
granblue has specials cooldown for this

>>723936131
filtered

>>723936132
Only for the heavy versions

>>723936132
>cooldown fighter
No wonder it never took off.

>>723934975 (OP)
It worked sure but not nearly enough to change anything about how fighting games should be made in the future.
Argue this again when it makes like DBFZ or Strive numbers in players.

>>723934975 (OP)

All fighting games should have 1-button controls.

>>723936676
Street Fighter 6 also has modern controls

>>723934975 (OP)
So you're telling me that if I play Granblue, I can do special attacks with WAN BATTAN?

>>723936759
SF is SF, it was going to make numbers no matter what came out alongside it.

>>723936759
no it doesn't, they force you to spin your stick for core moves like any version of zangief's command grab that has range

>>723936860
>no it doesn't
https://game.capcom.com/manual/SF6/en/ps5/page/2/3

>>723936676
Those numbers are pretty good for something that is not a legacy fighting game, or based on a retardedly popular IP.

>>723936902
they still force you to do inputs even on modern

>>723936759
It severely nerfs your damage so people hardly use them, and people are still constantly calling for nerfs because one button invincible reversals are incredibly annoying

>>723936745
>>723936786
>>723936860
>>723936967
Modern controls just means a simplified control scheme, usually with some minor damage nerf
One button controls are a type of modern control, but not the only type
It's like how every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square
I'd also argue that "one button" is a misleading name since a lot of the inputs for it at least in GBFVR are more than one button

>>723937012
No sympathy for that
If you lose to someone with a damage nerf that's a skill issue plain and simple, low skill people will complain about any boogeyman that excuses their shit ability if it wasn't modern controls they'd bitch about something else

>>723936948
>retardedly popular IP
Granblue used to be huge back in the day when the only big mobile games were FGO and GBF.
They missed by best shot by like 6-7 years.
UNI is the actual darkhorse in there since it's not based off of anything.

>>723937139
>spoiler
Yeah, the song was funny but even using shortcuts, you can't do most specials with LITERALLY one button.

This kills the zoomer

>>723935758
TOD combos aren't the issue. you can design your game around that. The issue comes with simple inputs making defense less skillful and more mindgames.

Frametraps and staggers are no longer strong against defenders, because they can just mash DP or super out. Okizeme runs a harsher risk because you plan around them having super.

It takes the thinking part off of blocking and puts in on the attacker, that shouldn't happen unless it's a simpler mechanic like burst.

>>723935758
What game in this day and age has ToDs? Only DBFZ right, that's a tag game so that's to be expected.
At most you got 2 to 3 touch games.

>>723937553
Everything is a ToD if you play Chipp in Strive

>>723937739
Thankfully Chipp is not the only character people play in Strive.

>>723937139
>Being able to whiff punish a 5 frame jab because your super takes one button to input means you're more skillful
Sure bud

>>723937739
kek

>>723937896
Regretfully nobody plays chipp in strive

>>723937553
2XKO does, Strive does, Tekken 8 does, hell even SF6 has one

>>723937902
I never said modern controls make you more skillful, I said losing to them proves you aren't
Most people using modern controls are new to the game, possibly new to fighting games, and aren't skilled
Players who get skilled usually stop using modern controls, because of the nerf
If you lose to some noob who also has a damage nerf then you're a shitter plain and simple

>>723935758
If you're playing a fighting game where the combo goes for more than 15 seconds, go fuck yourself, you're not playing a game, you're playing a guessing simulator.

>>723937942
Then my point still stands.

>>723937994
2XKO is a tag game, so once again, expected.
Show me the 0-100 Tekken and SF6 from 100 health unless you refer to combos that do 70% of your health as ToDs.

>>723938012
Modern Chun Lis were everywhere at evo last year, and one of them topped you fucking mong
It's a super annoying crutch that people are using

>>723938097
https://youtu.be/5ApeTQ4QWC4

>actually instant DPs are OK!
Classic /v/

fighting games are slop now
i've given up on them

>>723938263
>2 years
So has anyone pulled this off in a real match?
Has this been patched at all?

>>723938263
now post one from a real match

>>723938492
>SF6 has a touch of death
>PROVE IT
>Okay
>DOESN'T COUNT
Arguments don't have modern controls, sorry

>>723938264
/v/ doesn't play fighting games, never take anything they say about them seriously

>>723938594
It would be a problem if a ToD is practical, and I would like to see if it's as common as a Chipp getting annihilated in a single interaction.

>>723938594
heh

>>723938692
NTA but i'm, and i could be wrong as i'm not that big of an sf player but i do catch some tournaments from time to time, but i'm pretty sure guile boom loops are hit pretty frequently in tournament, they are basically the bnb cash out combo for guile and have been since sf5, the anon is retarded still though cause sf6 is hardly a game with real TOD's

>>723938264
In Granblue they are since getting anti-air'd by a DP is way better than eating a 2H which usually leads to a 50% combo.

i hate that theres a block button more than there are simple inputs in granblue, makes it so crossups are universally useless

>>723938807
I'm not so much talking about boom loops as I'm getting on about that exact combo sequence being a fairly common occurrence for Guile players.
I know that SF6 is kind of being dominated by drive rush extensions and Critical Art doing like 70% of health by someone's round 2 or 3 interaction.

>>723939101
This desu
I don't use the block button to block because I'm not a faggot, but its mere existence is a problem.

>>723934975 (OP)
>Granblue PROVES modern controls WORK
actually it proved they don't.
-adding a block button removed cross-ups entirely.
and then they fucking mapped roll to the block button, so it's mandatory to use.

and then there's the special move shortcuts.
-shorukens should never be a neutral (or down) 1 button input. they're balanced around the shoruken motion to NOT be a frame perfect reversal. also by not including a direction in the input, it auto killed crossups.
-360' grab specials should never be a neutral 1 button input. 360's are balanced around the motion. players should fear 360' as an option and the input should be masked by jabs or jumps. by letting it be an instant input, they had to lower 360' grab damage significantly and ladiva sucks as a grappler because of it.
-supers should never be a neutral 1+1 button input. again, frame perfect reversals you can just throw out without worry.

The worst thing about the modern granblue inputs is at high level they're mandatory. A small damage reduction means nothing your command throw is fucking instant, your reversal/super being frame perfect and auto tracks.

>>723939372
What the fuck is a shoruken motion?

>>723939535
>>723937336

>>723939550
That's a shoryuken input thoughbeit

>>723939372
Yeah, block button and simple controls really ticks me off at higher levels. Block button in particular. KOF shows that a roll input works without block button so GBVSR sucks that it's tied to a seperate 5th mandatory button.

you know what
you're absolutely right
i bought 2 8bitdo controllers and their dpads are complete garbage, i can't reliably do qcfs or dp-motions. modern controls have solved this.

>>723934975 (OP)
maybe if they remove supers
one button supers are retarded

>>723934975 (OP)
But granblue isn't fun and only has like 5 players now

>>723941180
I can find ranked matches fast even on low ranks so that's good enough for me

>>723941180
>and only has like 5 players now
800 daily player is pretty good for a game that isn't tekken or street fighter

>>723941320
that's sad. I think Granblue is great, but they somehow just refuse to put in Seofon

>>723941320
>800 daily player
Concurrent, not daily

>>723941180
>But granblue isn't fun
Works on my machine.

>>723939372
>adding a block button removed cross-ups entirely.
You still see a lot of people get crossed up in tournaments since almost no one uses the block button.

>>723938594
When people say the game is a TOD game it means the core game plan is TOD.
Not that TOD is possible in training mode on a impractical combo mot people would block the first hit of therefore its unlikely to ever be used in a match.
Practical high damage combos that deal over 70% HP damage in SFVI require you banking and then using all of the resources you accumulated in a single round.
SO yea i will agree its possible to do TOD in SF but its almost impossible to do in a real match as opposed to TODs being practically guarantied at high level play in 2KKO or DBFZ.

>>723934975 (OP)
You dirty jap jew

>>723942881
kek

>>723943238
There is no such thing as a TOD in SF6. Even with full meter, drive guage, and CA, you can only do 90% of an opponent's health bar. But then you've spent literally all your resources so you better hope it was enough to end the match.

>>723934975 (OP)
>modern
God, that's such an obnoxious, condescending naming convention. At least call them "simplified" or "controls for mouth breathing retards" so snowflakes that use them can become aware that they're subhuman.

>>723942881
Sort of reminds me when I annoyed my friends using Athena in KOF

>>723943909
It's Modern and Classic. Both are complimentary.

>>723943947
>one is for people who keep with the times and the other is for old people
yeah not condescending at all, that anon didn't have a point

I mean DBFZ has somewhat modern controls and is going through a resurgence now

>>723943909
Time to call it Stylish mode again.

>>723935758
Modern control babs can't think that far in advance, they can only think about them owning the other players, forever, because they only think about themselves. The idea that inputs being more difficult in order to keep certain powerful moves rare is beyond their comprehension. They're the types of people that believe everybody having a ferrari would tremendously improve the world because they can't understand first principles of why the world is that way to begin with. Helicopter parenting+modern edutardation=entitled idiots stuck on gibz mode.

>>723943372
Rat's dumb looking face never fails to make me kek
This would be 10 times better with sound too.

>>723943939
Beating serious looking characters with a cutesy magical girl is fun.

>>723943238
>When people say the game is a TOD game it means the core game plan is TOD.
Yeah but we weren't talking about that, we were talking abount games having ToDs

>>723944082
>Mom Mode
Wut

>>723944032
Stop being such a whiny bitch jfc. You sound like a whinging Jew who thinks everything is a slight against him, you're not being victimized because of a fucking fighting game control scheme name.

>>723944152
>doesn't know M.O.M. mode
16er spotted

>>723944152
Wacky gimmicks side mode with a bunch of powerups and abilities you can buy with Medallions Of Millions, like extra health bars and guns. Gets completely fucking retarded at higher levels
it's surprisingly fun, kinda like SF6 avatar battles but even more gimmicky.

Man there are no good videos of this shit on youtube. I can't find a single clip of the homing infinite duration Sacred Edge

>>723944214
Nah, I just never played GG
>>723944775
Thanks

>>723944775
man i miss old dizzy so much

>>723944878
she didn't go anywhere

>>723944113
fighting fags can never be genuine about actually discussing fighting game controls. It's a shit game if it has tod combos at all regardless of controls and only having more difficult controls don't make certain moves rarer they just make them less fun to play the character and the game as a whole. No one is not gonna want to do big moves and it eventually becomes mandatory anyway.

>>723937139
>If you lose to someone with a damage nerf that's a skill issue plain and simple, low skill people will complain
I will never understand why people say this and make fun of new and bad players for losing to fellow new and bad players on an easier control scheme that's literally designed for them and when they have to deal with it regularly and inherently struggle way more than better players. They have more right to complain and voice their concerns than anybody. If, hypothetically, more new players that want to play classic are avoiding the game and bitching because of modern than modern is bringing in it would mean the control scheme is an objective, massive failure at it's sole purpose. It's like making fun of a new player on M/KB for complaining about aim assist in a crossplay shooter because he's not good enough to beat it. No shit he isn't. That's part of the problem. Actually, even worse, because with fighting games there's no distinction between controllers, they added it in for that new M/KB player too.

>>723945082
spoken like someone who has never had to deal with one button dps

>>723945080
>bikini
Xrd has mods?

>>723935830
I haven't played the game in a hot second but the reward she gets off an AA l.flash kick is disgusting to me, anon. I know she's probably not top cancer in the game but I see that and I DREAD whatever the top tier stuff is.

>>723945082
>No one is not gonna want to land a onetap and it eventually becomes mandatory anyway

>>723938097
Nigga is that HnK footage you're trying to pass off as a good example of ToDs

>>723936132
lol

lmao

That implicitly doesn't do dick which is why it has a hard combo limit, which can still let you fucking die in one combo anyways.

>>723944074
DBFZ doesn't have modern controls. It just has the autocombo system, which is barely present in the game and variations upon it is something that games have had for years. Unless you're trying to say that focusing on Quarter and Half Circles is modern controls now

GBVS is fucking dogshit though.

>>723945559
Every arcsys game has a shit ton of mods

>>723945685
>training mode combo against opponent with no crystals
Rising has enough real problems to complain about, why make such a disingenuous post?

>>723945685
>3BCs vs 0BCs
>Super Skybound Art
>severe Counter starter
Might as well post a webm of full-RISC Chipp, you cock-warbling faggot

>>723945685
>100% meter with opponent in the corner, counter hit starter, no specials on cooldown, 0 bravery points on opponent, 3 bravery points on player
What a disingenuous post you tremendous faggot.

>>723945809
>>723945827
>>723945849
Get his ass

>>723945809
Learn to read or stop posting you fucking nigger

>>723945849
The only slightly unlikely one of those things in Rising is 0 bravery points and it's not actually that unlikely considering people use a BP roughly every time they have to block one 5L

>>723934975 (OP)
>Granblue PROVES modern controls WORK
How many people are playing it exactly?

>>723945896
Seethe.

>>723945896
lol, owned

Desperately try to move the goalposts further

>>723945896
So why didn't you post a clip of you hitting it in a match?

>>723945896
game you show me a situation in match of you having max meter (didn't use any of your ultimate skills), getting a 2H starter, in the corner, where the opponent has used all their diamonds?

>>723945570
>>723945410
>implying

>>723945685
the other replies don't mention that djeeta's kick was also at max level which does an obscene amount of damage
>>723945896
this combo is impossible in the current version of the game, and has been impossible for the past year

About 1/4 of the SF6 population in year 1 was on Modern which is pretty impressive since every fg before or after SF6 that tried an optional simple input scheme got 0% of the playerbase to ever use it, examples being smart mode in cotw, easy mode in mvc, special style in tekken, and stylish from xrd. All of those attempts at Modern flopped except for SF6.

Also, while we haven't got official numbers since year 1 there was a user on the sf6 reddit tracking modern usage by character and noticed the numbers kept increasing from year 1 so it wouldn't surprise me if Modern usage for SF6 is closer to 1/3 now, especially after the SF6 switch 2 release.

And another cool factoid for you, in Japan the number of players on Modern that are at master rank out number the entire NA master playerbase. Japan loves Modern compared to every other region.

>>723945957
Learn what "can" means jeet.

>>723945974
Because sorting my Granblue folder by file type and scrolling to the bottom to pick the funniest combo webm I have was already more than the diaper post it was used as a response to deserved.

>>723946112
lol, lmao
Keep digging your hole deeper, you shitposting poser

>>723946150
When will India discover the word "poseur"

>>723945559
a few
they're apparently a lot of work to make compared to Strive so there's not many.
Off the top of my head there's two different Dizzy bikinis, a nude model, jam in her underwear that changes depending on the day of the week, fox baiken and this ultrakill johnny with some broken animations

>>723945782
nah, only since DBFZ when they started making the models and animations in a simpler way. There's very few full model replacements for Xrd because there's so much hand done animation that just importing a new model over the old one always has some broken bits even if you put in all the work to get it into the files in the right way.

>>723946112
Haohmaru CAN kill some opponents in CvS 2 with a single button press. I guess that means he is amazingly strong and broken in that game, right?
Stupid fucking cunt.

>>723945410
>*******************one******************** button dps
all i gotta do is use my *******************one******************** dps too

>>723945685
Sex with Djeeta

>>723945570
an fps is nowhere near the same as a fighting game

KON-KON

>>723946112
this combo literally doesn't work anymore because ult skills don't refund anymore

>>723946026
Don't remind me Djeeta no longer has knees

>>723946267
Literally WHO said anything about the character balance of Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising you mentally ill trannoid? I'm pretty sure every character in the game could ToD at release, the only argument you should take from that is that COOLDOWNS LITERALLY, EXPLICITLY, SPECIFICALLY are not for preventing long combos or ToDs because the game intentionally had those things.

The most unlikely thing about said ToDs was anyone being at 100% health when they got hit by them anyways, which is why pretty much nobody learned that meme combo and would instead just do a basic bitch corner juggle into SSBA and kill any bitch dead as fuck anyways.

Season 3 of Rising should open up with Raziel.

fighting games are the least fun genre of game to learn by far. you need to be in training mode for a bare minimum of 500 hours before you can even begin thinking trying to learn to play against other opponents

casuls

Are you grubbas enjoying the shark girl?
I am

>>723946104
Whats the point of Modern in SF6 when you can input a 3 frames DP on reaction?

>>723947513
I am yeah. She got me back into the game and I'm having fun again

>>723947394
I fire up ranked in the first two hours of starting a brand new fighing game.

>>723947480
>putting a $200 dollar disc into the wrong console for the meme
Nice job destroying your hardware.

>>723947687
because you have 30+ years of fighting game experience

>>723947687
Why are you responding to an obvious troll? There is no point discussing anything with him because he is going to say something along the lines of "oh well you aren't actually playing the game so you're wrong" or some other dumb shit. He does this on every fighting game thread in /v/. You are wasting your time.

>>723947687
Don't try to reason with "le 500 hours of training!" retard, he's just doing his usual shtick.

>>723947819
>anyone who doesn't have 20 years minimum of fighting game experience is a troll

>>723947875
samefag

>>723947692
What was it?

I tried granblue and it just felt very boring compared to other anime fighters. Is something not clicking or is it just not for me?

Also is there any news for whatever the new melty blood game is or nah?

>>723944152
Stands for Medal of Millionaire. It's a score attack arcade mode where hitting the CPU knocks coins out of them and you pick them up to increase your score. They took it out of Strive because that game has no soul.

>>723947978
Sounds like you played it expecting an anime fighter. Understandable since it certainly LOOKS like an anime fighter.
It's not.

>>723947819
>>723947875
prove that you can actually play fighting games without prior experience or long period of time in training mode. Even fighting fags admit a lot of the controls are hard on purpose so it's difficult to actually do anything meaningful in a match >>723944113

>>723945392
>If, hypothetically, more new players that want to play classic are avoiding the game and bitching because of modern than modern is bringing in
what a retarded thing to say

>>723948053
Fuck off retard.
I tried talking to you as if you were a human being weeks ago, not falling for that again.

>>723948112
you don't have an argument, so you're gonna pretend some anon in a random thread is me and act like you won

get some
got soul cal 2 and tekken 5
pHeAr Da FeNg

>>723948049
Sad. On an unrelated note is there anyone who prefers vanilla granblue over rising?

>>723948246
Nice collection.

>>723934975 (OP)
>black people problems
every day I thank god I'm not black so I don't have to play fighting games

>>723947646
Have you found much use for the Mari assist cannon?
I wouldn't call it useless myself, but other than occasionally memeing on people with the falling shot while doing either overhead or sweep, I don't really use it that often.

>>723935596
>flash kick
Not with that garbage horizontal range and frame data. It's like a shittier sumo slam unless you hit an airborne opponent with the light version where it then leads to a combo.

>>723948246
No one plays this garbage anymore.

Let me guess your next post will be your sick CRT set up?

>>723945685
If you're gonna post training mode fantasy combos, then at least post Wilnas's 18k ToD on Vaseraga.

>>723948410
fighting games ages the worst out of every genre, after a certain point the disc you hold is just bloatware. with a halfbaked single player

>>723948484
I am not gay

>>723948527
CvS 2 is the best fighting game Capcom ever made.
Seeing the shitshow that is Street Fighter Dix, it is now evident that they will never ever surpass CvS 2. They can't.

>>723945082
>if you have to learn inputs it's a shit game
Oh boy.
>if the game is more difficult it doesn't mean less players will be able to do the combos
Oh boy.
>it's just less fun if i don't get the dopamine hit faster and easier
You love to tell on yourself but reframing and using different words doesn't help you in the long run. Go play cookie clicker, the dopamine is instant and fast and easy.
>No one is not gonna want to do big moves and it eventually becomes mandatory
The difficult moves are balanced by being powerful and the easy moves are balanced by being less powerful. This is somehow hard to comprehend for modern control babs. They want to press the button and then something awesome happens on the screen, preferably them winning and a hot whore knocking their bedroom door down and sucking them off. Why won't game devs just make the game a win screen? why all this "competition"? why why why?!? why isn't the game playing itself? why do i have to learn to play a game? why do i have to learn anything? why isn't everything just GIBZ 24/7/365??

Fighting games have the best gatekeeping mechanism out there, baked into their gameplay. Once you get rid of the inputs and combos, fighting games will finally die because idiots like this one will swarm in and tear the genre apart, just like they did with every other genre. Even if inputs were piss easy and a monkey could do them, the fact that it's a competitive 1v1 genre would eventually filter them all over again because people who can't handle the adversity of the learning effort, can't handle the bad feelings of losing either.

>>723948246
Do you people really just buy these relics to post here? Are there evevn any discs in those cases?
What is the point anyway?
No online support; you just fight computer all day?
Practice mode has become your life lmao

>>723948726
silence jeet

>>723948726
>zoomie literally cannot even picture the possibility that >>723948246 bought those games back when they were released
Grim

>>723948643
>responding to an obvious troll
ngmi

>>723935596
Charlotta owes me sex

>>723948643
>>if you have to learn inputs it's a shit game
stopped reading right there
>>723948841 both of you are trolls

>>723934975 (OP)
>Granblue PROVES modern controls WORK
No it doesn't thats why it died. Modern controls don't work and the genre is dead.

>>723948772
I am the of full not understanding the hatred my people am are getting of recent.
We a beautifull culture of the largest mass and spirit suddenly being attacked every wear?
This is wrong.
India has done no bad to you.

The art in this game's menus is so fucking good, I love all the illustrations made for them.

I think inputs are fun.

>>723948824
>can't play them besides computer
Yea sure.
I am just gonna lock myself in training mode forever. Cool.

>>723934975 (OP)
>>723935758
fighting games should all have controls like soul calibur 2/3

>>723949164
why is this website suddenly filled with pedos no

fighting fags are incapable of actual argument, they just call you a troll or say shit that you never said. They say it's best gatekept genre and secretly are envious of other genres with way more people it's why they bring up fps or mobas alot

>>723934975 (OP)
I honestly dont mind if classic inputs have zero benefit. Just leave them in. This is why 2xko is ass

>>723948824
They're still just gargbage now since you can't play them outside of their shitty singleplayer now

>>723949295
>>>/vg/ssbm/

>>723949219
>>723949350
Wait, you are not actually a zoomie, you are just retarded, or pretending to be.
Even the zoomiest zoomies know about offline play.

>>723948576
Sure you are, girly man

>>723934975 (OP)
Gbvs sucks ass tho

>>723949275
Your bot is broken m8

>>723949407
>irl friends
>2016+9

>you have to press down/forward while you press the attack button
Ok!
>you have to press forward before you press the down/forward and attack button
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LET ME IN THOSE GATES!

>>723949356
ssbm is what started tierlist autism

>>723949468
God I want to fuck Yuel.

>>723934975 (OP)
I don't think that's really a problem. People will put up with anything for multiplayer. Most multiplayer games aren't even fun or look good, some control adjustment isn't a problem.

The trouble with fighting games is that none of my friends are playing them so I'm not going to bother playing them. To extrapolate: the FGC is so insular that there's minimal audience growth.

>>723949562
I want to hug her retardedly giant fluffy tail. Also, I want to fuck her.

>>723948576
sniffable

>>723949506
>it didn't work because you were 2 frames too early that time
>it didn't work because you were one frame too late that time
>it didn't work because one of the devs wife is being fucked by her bull that time

>>723949553
AND HERE WE GO
>>723949506
quick someone post a Kazuya movelist

>>723949708
>cuck shit
grats bro at least you still get a attendance trophy
only .05% of gamers actually have it!

>>723949639
it's insular because 99% of people don't want to have to learn shitty annoying fighting game controls

>>723949865
>humor is strictly forbidden in fighting game threads

>>723949639
>. Most multiplayer games aren't even fun or look good
lies
samsho came out, lookrd beautiful and played flawlessly but fag niggers couldnt handle the "oh man i heavy sweeped and got comboed and my arm came off WTF" play style of consequences so it got mudded and buried immediately

>>723949945
>why yea my wife having intercourse with another race of man is a joke!
>i am not projecting at all!
I will ask you exactly one time before this thread is pruned - what is the worst thing you have ever done to a woman that was not blood related to you?

>>723950009
I mean... let's not pretend like SNK didn't mismanage the FUCK out of that game.
Holy shit, it's like they wanted to kill it.

>>723949781
every fighting game community does tierlist autism and think that fighting games are this holy genre is balance

>>723950110
>another race of man is a joke
Didn't even mention race, you just outed yourself

>>723950169
i wont argue against that
there are clear favorites for sure and poor match ups always
but if youre getting spanked by an f tier while you spam the devs favorites it might just be a skill issue

>>723949506
>your dpad inputs up forward

THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY
>THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY

THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY
>THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY

THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY
>THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY

THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY
>THE MODERN CONTROLS ZUTT SHALL CLEAVE THE BUTTS OF TRAD FIGHTING GAME BOOMERS AND THEIR BRAIN FUNCTIONALITY

>>723949708
>>723949945

>>723949639
>People will put up with anything for multiplayer
>there's minimal audience growth
The real thing is that they won't put up with obscenely dogshit netcode that makes the game feel like they're playing underwater. FGs basically haven't had proper online multiplayer as a standard until fairly recently. I don't get how everybody has just always blamed the controls or whatever for FGs being niche and not the fact that the average new player trying it instantly booted up online and got met with an unpleasant shitshow.

>>723950306
the fact that there are clear obvious favorites shows that this genre isn't that air-tight that fgc pretends that it is

>>723950343
I do this when playing a new character and look like this but I would NEVER knuckle roll inputs such as.

>>723949708
>it didn't work because you were 2 frames too early that time
>it didn't work because you were one frame too late that time
Doesn't apply to 99% of moves.

>>723949781
I play King and Reina, I'll post it myself. Doing a hellsweep or giant swing isn't hard.
Electrics are hard* not because of the F*D,DF+2 input, but because DF+2 has to be frame perfect and they should be because they are one of if not the best moves in the game. Failing to get the just frame still gets you a normal WGF, which is still fine but isn't plus on block, nor should it be. Just for shits and giggles I tried it on a pad for the first time in over a year and it's not even hard, especially since you can shortcut the D and just go F*DF+2

>>723950490
Is Tekken 8 getting better?
I was very close to buying it a couple days ago when it was on sale but I decided against it at the last minute.

>>723950464
hard counters are real
get bent nigger; there is never a end all be all pick and if there is you didnt beat the game
and you just lost the game

>>723950536
It's getting better very, very slowly but we still aren't at where we were in S1, which is a big shame.

>>723950598
Yeah, that's what I gathered from different places while doing some research. Unfortunate.
I'll probably grab it anyway next time it goes on sale.

>>723950536
netcode is garbage
>>723950490
i am feng and asuka main, i usually run front lows into off kiltered combo that leave JUSTTTTTT enough opening to think you have a move
king is one of my hard counters though, i cant beat the sweep stagger if i get walled

>>723950562
>hard counters are real get bent nigger
So fighting games just have dedicated rock paper scissors characters then, is i pick rock then you pick paper right after i just leave.
>there is never a end all be all pick and if there is you didnt beat the game and you just lost the game
So 80% of the fgc that picks the characters that are simultaneously rock paper and scissors just lose is what you're saying?

>>723949031
Wrong. Versus was been doing well an IP that has little to no presence internationally. However, Rising has been suffering this year for multiple reasons:
>devs STILL refuse to swallow their pride and admit that 66L and brave counter are horrible game mechanics
>spits in the community'a face by making a shirt that glorifies the former and parades it at tournaments
>Wilnas and Meg back to back in season 2 when no one asked for them. Shit's Uno all over again, except the content drought is over half a year for the people who didn't want these two characters
>oh dear god, Wilnas. He's the easiest fighting game character of all time, the ultimate "make-a-wish" character. Can you crouching jab twice then press special + unique buttons together? Can you press back special + heavy? Can you press down medium? Congratulations, you can play Wilnas
>naturally his braindead execution and gameplan scared away casuals in droves. Core players bitch about him on twitter on a daily basis
>Lowain, Metera, and Ferry are meta right now. Cagliostro is deleting people with 75/25 setups. Beatrix has been top tier for well over a year
>small balance patches when a nuclear balance patch is desperately needed. At least 10 characters need to be nerfed, and that's being generous
>said small patches buffed characters that didn't need any help. The ones that were nerfed escaped with slaps to the wrist at most because of """compensation buffs"""
>no EX characters in the last patch when people were expecting them
>Id is the final character
Even the japs that were carrying this game have been dropping Grub. It's in serious trouble unless the Ilsa patch is as big as the Versusia pa-
>>>>>Percival gets the next battle pass skin
Nevermind, game's dead. Everyone go home.

>>723950490
>>it didn't work because you were 2 frames too early that time
>>it didn't work because you were one frame too late that time
>Doesn't apply to 99% of moves.
most fighting games require you to learn the specific frame timing so you can't just build muscle memory normally and get faster

>>723950747
what i am saying is you just lost the game nigger

>>723950816
sound cues actually work faster
its a huge pain in the ass but if you have good hearing and pattern recog sound focus is the way to go
turn off bgm

>>723936759
i doubt even 20% of sign ups were using them

>>723950312
in mkII we just hit block first, on release of block you coukd do a full input for any move
but for me it was "when close"
at least they were vague about it

>>723936131
This, man weebs are fucking stupid.

>>723934975 (OP)
if you can't learn a quarter circle, what hope is there for you learning the rest of the game ?
>they made reversals have a massive input buffer around the 2000's and it wasn't enough
>they made special moves work when done incorrectly and it still wasn't enough
>they removed any and all combo execution and it still wasn't enough.
>they added one button auto combos and it still wasn't enough

i honestly don't hate modern controls nearly as much as i hate the creation of the SF4 era input buffer

>>723934975 (OP)
>ALL fps games MUST have aimbot
>There is NO excuse not to have it

I’m non fighting game faggot and I will never play this dumbass genre because every game as a fucking combo list like making a 5 star dish for EVERY character

> X X Back Triangle A A Back Up Y

?????? The fuck IS this
See with super smash bros, you just press up and B. That’s why Smash is the only enjoyable fighting game and Granblue.

>Main keyboard
>Played on a stick while visiting friends
>Within like two matches and no training mode I was able to do consistent fireballs
I become more and more convinced that motion inputs aren't an actual problem to anybody who hasn't been told they are and a handful of casuals who would get filtered by something else anyway.

>>723946026
>this combo is impossible in the current version of the game, and has been impossible for the past year
Dropped.

>>723954416
They were never the problem. It's the basics people have issues with, and they blame the controls.
Anti-airing, spacing, learning when to push or not push buttons, etc. All that takes some time to learn and without it you just get mauled by some shitter who just jumps at you forever.

>>723954308
Now recite your basic MonHun long sword gameplan in button form.

sure, as long as they are hard segregated into their own matching/multiplayer ecosystem, unable to interact with people who are actually playing the game correctly
They can go pretend they're playing the game with each other while the rest of us actually play the game for real

>>723950009
>look at it
>half the cast behind dlc
>no players because they didn't implement multiplay from a console to another

What in the fuck is "modern" controllers for fighting games? You press buttons to attack and move with the damn stick or dpad. It's been this way since they were invented.
It's not like how 3d games have modern controls like with camera movement and shit

>>723955165
'Modern' means one button specials/supers.

>>723955165
"Modern" controls is a trojan horse argument for companies trying to appeal to casuals to get more into a genre that is known for high execution.

This includes the removal of motion inputs or the simplification of said inputs, such as a dedicated skill button.

It might also be related to easy auto combos. Not specifically autocombos on their own, but rather autocombos that mash out a full combo including jump cancels, dash cancels and full supers.

>>723955165
Elitists are buttmad that people got tired of pressing directions in specific order before they get to press the button and fuck up the double quarter circle forward input for a DP.