Thread 725064000

>tfw bought this for $200 just two months ago
>tfw built my gaming pc literally at the perfect time
FUCK AI. Why do PC gaming has to get fucked every few monthes because of AI slop?

Saars destroying everything on their way to make the diaper furry scat commission their favorite artist didn't accept to do.

AI is giga based and I would give it all the water in the world, all the energy the petroleum the physical space, I would give it everything if I could and leave you subhuman niggers with NOTHING but the nasty skin you so desperarely cling to

>built my computer last December
>went with a 32gb kit

Kinda regretting not going bigger now that memory prices are all jacked.

>>725064000 (OP)
you will buy DDR6 for $1000 anyway

>>725064000 (OP)
o_O

>>725064000 (OP)
>CL36-44-44-96
It's over for you.

>>725064000 (OP)
Last Chopper Out of Saigon

>>725064000 (OP)
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0C4Y588R7?th=1
CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz CL30 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMH64GX5M2B6000C30)

my ram is now $700

>>725064000 (OP)
Must suck to be poor right now

>Future proofed my build with 64GB
They called me a madman...

What should I know about "adding ram" do they need to be the same Mhz and everything?

was 122 canada dollars now I have no idea

also the 5070ti I got at the same time has gone down by 50 dollars

What's the endgame of making everything infinitely more expensive and unaffordable to proles?

Decades of cheaper HDD and NAND in terms of $/GB

Now since ~2021, only more expensive fuck you?

The NAND manufacturers literally colluded with each other to stop producing NAND in 2023 because prices dropped, actual price-fixing and no one punished them.

I understand capitalism is so retarded they think prices going down would be bad, they call it "deflation" and say people will stop buying stuff, even though people still buy new games for full price despite knowing they'll be cheaper in months, and there's tons of stuff you can't just wait for like food, housing, medicine, energy, etc.

People also aren't psychics, they wouldn't KNOW things would be cheaper in the near-future.

I actually fucking hate the retards on /r/AskEconomics capitalist bootlicking low IQ retards.

>>725065576
It's best practice to just get the exact same type of ram

>>725064000 (OP)
I bought the 2x64gb version about a week ago for that price. Says it's no longer available now. I also listened to that Moore's Law guy yesterday and he was saying RAM is about to skyrocket even more than it has cause of AI or some shit. I wasn't even aware it was a problem. I did a huge CPU upgrade. I knew it was gonna be about 2k, so I didn't pay much attention to RAM prices

>>725065934
first stage of replacing the proles with AI. make sure they have nothing and are demoralized. it'll never work because AI is just that bad but its what they want

what do ai people even need the regular ram for?
everyone said ai on unified memory igpu stuff was going to be too slow to be worth anything

>>725065934
for what it's worth pcs in the 80s were like $3000
but they were career changers back then too

>>725064000 (OP)
Crypto messed up the GPU market more than AI ever has.

>>725065934
A crash. Considering the companies who are making everything exponentially more expensive are at the same time relying on growth at all cost. At some point the proles will not be able to support that growth. So you have 2 options. Crash that deflates the bubble, or a circlejerk where a few rich companies keep investing into each other, until someone starts noticing that its a ponzi scheme and it crashes

>>725064000 (OP)
>tfw bought a 32gb ram kit for almost half the price a few months ago
It feels nice. But why suddenly demand to create AIsloppa server increase? I thought we're nearing the popping of this bubble

>>725066218
I imagine it's foundries switching to pumping out GDDR6 or 7 or whatever we're up to now. I recall there being a slump in demand after the post-covid surge so they probably cut production and now have to ramp it up again.

>>725066657
West:

>prices go down
>this is awful for shareholders we should just stop making the thing until prices go back up

China:

>prices go down
>this is great keep doing that

>>725065576
More ram is always better, the frequency should be the same, as well as the model. The higher the frequency, the more stuff you can get done in a shorter amount of time etc. Always buy ECC (error correction ram) so ram faults can be corrected when found, do a monthly memtest86 to see if the sticks are still good, make sure to get the most out of your ram by undervolting or overclocking if you need to gain a little extra oomph.

>>725065934
>be CEO
>see massive amounts of money is being printed
>see more money is continuing to be printed
>profit margins approaching 0
>bite the bullet and raise prices in anticipation of the next couple years of inflation
>profits go up
>less money is being printed, inflation slows
>don't want to lower prices because you'll have to raise them again eventually anyway
>keep prices where they are and enjoy record profits while you can

>>725066878
Blame the jews at Dodge for that shit

>>725065576
>>725067005
Ignore this retard, sell your old ram and buy 2 new sticks of the size you want. Even if you're buying 2 packs of identical ram and installing them at the same time there's no guarantee that they'll play nice together (XMP/EXPO are finicky). ECC ram is only relevant if you're not doing any gaming, and since this is /v/ and people here don't actually play games that's probably why it's being recommended.

>>725067371
ECC RAM is on virtually every model nowadays, avoiding it is like buying something for a usecase that DOESN'T require it.

>>725064000 (OP)
>old 2016 computer is failing
>RAM shoots up in price twicefold

>>725064000 (OP)
God, I hope my 32 gigs is enough...

>>725067448
ECC ram is significantly slower, and motherboards still don't widely support ECC

>>725067448
Not only is ECC not common on desktop class memory (no, the inherent memory checking shit DDR5 does is not full error correcting) most motherboards don't fully support ECC anyway.

>>725067005
>>725067448
The vast majority of consumers don't use ECC and a lot of the time your hardware doesn't even support it. Realistically, it's simply not necessary.

i want to upgrade parts of my pc but im broke and dont have a job. been applying but nothing took

>Hundreds thousands of GPU and now RAM
>Still not even close to AGI
Can't wait for this retarded ai bubble to pop.

>>725067975
luv me random bit flips crashing my software because lmao, who cares about stability? Now let me tell you how my gpu overclock is stable because I ran steel nomad TWICE back-to-back

>>725068258
>random bit flips crashing my software
do you live on the ISS?

>bought 64gb when I built my pc a few months back
never puinished

>>725068258
>random bit flips crashing my software
This nigga built his PC inside a particle accelerator.

>>725068217
I wish you the best of luck anon. I know what it's like to be in that position. The only reason I have a job right now is because my brother is the boss. I tried avoiding it as best I could. Applying everywhere for half a year, even the shittiest bottom of the barrel jobs, but I got literally nothing despite my resume being decent. It got to a point where I literally had no option and was in desperate need of money.

>>725064893
It's just a temporary hike dummy. They'll be back down later next year or 2027 at the latest

>>725068218
We're pretty close

>>725064000 (OP)
same i got 6400 ali 96gb gookram a year ago
Fuck this ai shit, glad to know my 7900xtx and 9800x3d wont be outdated for a long time

>>725064000 (OP)
>surely gpus will cheapen
>other components go up
I regret waitfagging

>>725064000 (OP)
>modern gaming requires 96GB of ram
the absolute state

>>725068981
thanks for the support anon.

>>725069085
>game
>discord
>brave session with 300 tabs
>winamp
>copilot running in the background

>>725069012
nobodys gonna wait 3+ years mate
might as well skip ddr5 and wait for ddr6/7 in 2030s

>>725069012
>We're pretty close
No one believes your jewish trick anymore, Sam.

>>725064000 (OP)
>bought 32GB (2x16GB) of DDR4 ram in 2024 for $50
>now it's $120 and going up

>>725064000 (OP)
>AI slop?
it's the tariffs

>>725069075
bro it's over
Just buy a good gpu that will last you 10 years(so long as you don't care about the newest slop I guess)
it doesn't matter if it cost 2x times now or even 3x
Prices are about TO INFLATE harder than Dobson's biggest ballon

You voted for this.

No refunds!

What’s the point of buying that much RAM
By the time you need that much your sticks will be using outdated architecture

I can understand ram or gpu but ssd/hdd too has gotten more expensive with the same size 5 years ago
I thought I was gonna get 70bucks 4 TB ssd by now????
Where is the moore's law at this poiint????

>>725065576
Only use RAM that came from the same package. And when I say from the same package, I mean sealed together in the same package.

It's possible to have 2 different packs of memory that have the same specs and same SKU and they won't be compatible with each other because they have different specs.

>>725069550
Please explain to me what's different about Democrats and Republicans.

They are both capitalist and agree on 99.9% of things that shape the system

They only disagree on microscopic things things like abortion and gun laws.

>tfw fell for the 5080 scam because microcenter was offloading them at 899
its over for me

>>725069861
>both want significant intrusion into and control of the economy
>capitalist
Lmao

>>725069861
both politicians want cushy jobs in tech companies after they leave office (or if they never leave, then for their kids)

>>725069696
>won't be compatible with each other because they have different specs.
fuck im retarded. different chips*
Basically memory that look identical on paper aren't guaranteed to be compatible with each other.

>>725066878
>capitalism on a national socialist leash
Is that really all it takes to win?

>>725069085
>gaming
Anon, high ram is not for gaming

>>725069928
free market is bad. but having half the government treat the economy like a pump & dump scheme also isn't good.

>>725066878
I mean if you’re a fascist is suppose China is appealing

>>725064000 (OP)
AI isn't even real. The entire thing is just a way to artificially prop up the world economy until they figure out a way to kill 2/3s (minimum) of the world population without causing too much property damage.

>>725069928
>REAL capitalism has never been tried!!1

tfw i waited

just join the military

>Can't be that bad... right?
>Bought in July 2025 for $250 from actual manufacturer
>Now $800 from reseller

What the hell.

>>725069075
>waitfagging
Bro, just wait one more year XD

Somebody's gotta pay for all the scamcoin miners and AI slop machines. That somebody is you

>>725066358
Please God let there be a crash soon I beg of you I want to see these fortune 500s collapse into a pile of flaming rubble

>got good parts but they're all saddled with an i5-10600k and a mobo that only takes intel shit
Save me God

Chink was a good guy all along for keeping their corpos under a tight leash.

>4070 Super
>32GB DDR5
>7800X3D
Am I going to make it for another couple years?

I panic bought my components at the beginning of the year but only now is that proving to be a good idea. I overpaid for my 5070ti still which feels bad

>2025
>still using RAM

>>725070604
Order the best refurbished CPU your mobo can handle and swap it with you CPU and do a refund

>>725066358
It's already happening with vehicles. There are some lots sitting with new 2023 models still.

>>725070757
you wont even be able to play Minecraft soon.....

what caused the price hike of ram?

>>725070757
You'll be fine for at least 5 years or so as long as you don’t fall for the 4k meme

>>725070757
bro.... enjoy playing solitaire, i guess

>>725071139
If i had to guess, i'd say it's the jews

>>725071043
>Bedrock
No way fag
>>725071169
I'm sticking to my 1440p144hz monitor

>>725071139
RAM chip manufacturers are a literal cartel and engage in price fixing.

>>725071139
Multi trillion dollar data centers

Bill Gates has now announced that global warming isn't man made and it was a mistake all along. They're now planning to double electricity usage in America by 2030

>96GB
the ps5 pro doesn't even have 16GB, the most you need is 32GB to run modern games + background tasks

>64GB 6000mhz cl30 at 260 bucks
Should i bite the bullet bro?

>>725069928
Both want something 100% of self described capitalist economies do, at the behest of capitalists. You fags are more delusional than the communists.

>>725071538
>the most you need is 32GB to run modern games
not gonna make it bro

>pc gamers get fucked by pandemic stimulus checks flooding the market
>gets fucked by crypto bros buying up cards to generate $0.01 for every $2 of energy spent
>gets fucked by ai and the push for it in literally everything
PCgods…why must we suffer so

>>725065542
Same

Im regretting only getting 64gb

>>725071741
the cryptofad really fucked shit up

>>725069324
It's only 1 year, niggerbrain

>>725071741
The cost of a midrange PC has more than doubled since 2019 lmao

>>725071702
>>725071817
Do you guys really need to have 1600 tabs open at once?

>>725064000 (OP)
If this brings back manufacturing, this is an acceptable sacrifice.

I bought my 5090 for msrp on launch day and have laughed at retards paying double for 10 months now

>>725071702
Name one game that uses more than 32gb

>>725064000 (OP)
People are going to have to settle for a Steam Deck or something. It's honestly not a bad way to go.

Glad collecting unneccesary amounts of RAM was a hobby of mine when building computers
64.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 1336MHz (16-18-18-36)

>>725071935
Jackie chan

>>725064000 (OP)
God damn, I bought the same stuff back in April, but it was $120 / 2x32GB. Then on top of that I got another 2x16GB of DDR5(different timings) Corsair for free with my mobo. I'm not planning to use it other than as an emergency backup because fuck mismatched sticks, but still.

>>725070839
Good. I want a rustang GT premium and refuse to pay $60k for what should be a $35k v8

>>725071913
It's only an acceptable sacrifice if the prices not only normalize, but also noticeably decrease once the manufacturing comes back.

>>725071850
>tfw you could’ve gotten a great 1080p no upscale rig in 2018 for the same price it is for a single mid range card today
Clown world, clown economy

>>725071741
plebeians should only have smart phone access.

Literally everything was fine in 2010. You could build a mid range desktop for $1000 without even scrounging and all was well. We really had it good.

Then the China bitcoin miners showed up and bought all the GPUs and pushed up the prices. Then the AI bubble happened and they demanded even more and turned GPUs into a strategic asset and launched trade wars to corner the GPU market.

They just come and fucked with us for no reason we were minding our own business. Now a midrange desktop costs $5000 and they're locking us out of our own hobby. We were here first. We kept NVidia and AMD alive and prosperous for 20 years. And this is how they repay us with a stab in the back.

We minded our own business and never asked for this fight. But it was brought to us and it's time that gamers rise up

fuck them all

>>725071874
never underestimate the absolute incompetence of modern programmers and their refusal to optimize. Also cad and local ai integration

>Going back to college after 10 years for 2nd degree
>Teachers warn against the use of AI
>"Dont even use it to find sources!"
>They use AI to find out if its AI generated or plagiarized

This is reminds me of how much they hated wikipedia 10+ years ago.

>>725064000 (OP)
Goddamn, I got 64GB for my laptop for $280 CAD in August, now it's $540.

>>725064000 (OP)
Same but for just 32 ram

>>725071947
Steamdeck is already outdated and can’t run new releases

>>725071913
>just wait ten years of getting fucked in the ass for manufacturing to come back
>trust me bro, our dollar will be even stronger and trickle down then!
Retarded or jewish

>>725070103
fascism is the only logical position after all is said and done
it just sucks if you're not the boot

>>725064893
Chances are you're not getting any benefits from more ram. Just because it is pricier atm does not mean you gotta hoard it.

>>725072205
I don't believe bringing anything back will help. They'll just automate it all. There won't be any jobs or people doing anything. It'll cost too much to pay people normal wages + benefits. That's why they went to China anyways. Chinks get pennies and we don't need to care about them. I drank the drumpf Kool aid but the guy ain't gonna fix anything

I'm happy with 48GB. Thought about upgrading eventually to a faster 64GB kit, but they aren't that much faster.

>>725072303
>That's why they went to China anyways
If manufacturers could, they would model the chinese with worse pay, worse working conditions and no benefits. AI is just the shoe in loophole to violate the working classes rights.

>builds a shitload of ram, way more than is necessary for anything other than, ironically, AI
>WAAAAH SO EXPENSIVE WAAAAH

Try not being a retard

>>725072487
>Try not being a retard

>>725064000 (OP)
why does AI slop need ram?

Just had a look at Egay bros, I fucked up by upgrading my GPU and my CPU early this year but trying to wait to get 32gb of DDR4 for less used. Guess I'm rocking 16gb for another year, unless I want to rob the 2400mhz SK Hynix from my Dads Elitedesk I put together for him.

>>725064000 (OP)
What's the likelihood of GPU prices skyrocketing? Been thinking about pulling the trigger on a 5070 TI or waiting for a potential Super version.

96GB is useless because by the time where we would actually need 96GB we'd already be at DDR10 and those sticks you're using right now will be slow in comparison.

>>725072732
You ain't gonna find super version with those amount of VRAM, might as well wait for Rubin or UDNA .

>>725072567
Dumb niggers are wasting their money. Big text AIs need shitloads of RAM but you need it in the thousands, not hundreds. There's 0 reason to go beyond 32gig ram because any REAL AI usage you could accomplish would be better served by a 16GB VRAM videocard.

>>725072567
I doesn't, which is why RAM manufacturers are moving away from consumer grade DIMMs and making shit only datacenters will buy.

>>725072756
I am about to upgrade my current rig from 64GB to 96GB DDR5. I use 3 monitors though, I just like to have extra ram. Ram speed isn't that big of a difference. When I went from 32GB DDR3 ram to 32GBDDR4 I didn't see much of a difference.

>>725072756
Industryniggers need that much now but for the average gamer, anything more than 32gb is overkill

>>725072732
>pulling the trigger on a 5070 Ti
You won't be disappointed. I upgraded from a 4070 super and I don't regret it. Good 4K gaming and Quest 3 PCVR.

>pro tip boost the ram to 2000 mhz, I do it with MSI afterburner

don't care, not buying, keeping my AM4

>>725073029
>I want more ram
>even though I don’t need more ram
No wonder ram prices are increasing when there’s dumbasses buying it that don’t need it

>>725064000 (OP)
Why did prices go up

>>725073065
actual human beings don't post like this, wtf are you doing?

>>725072567
Big models need enough RAM to fit them.

>>725073174
USG state sponsored actors are buying hardware with your money to spy on you better

Holy fuck you guys aren't kidding. I was eyeing some 2x32GB DDR4 Patriot Viper Steel last week. $150.
Now, not only is it sold out everywhere, I can't anything similar for less than $280.

>>725064000 (OP)
I voted for this

>>725072932
I can't wait that long so I guess I'll just upgrade now.

>>725072732
Only the 5090, and that's only because Nvidia is stopping production on it

>>725073191
I don't understand what you mean. They are thinking of buying something I own. Have you ever talked to a person in real life? They go and on about whatever it is.

>>725073130
Yes there are people that typically buy higher end products because they want it. Thats how it works 3rd worlder. You going to cry about people that can afford first class seats on a plane now?

>>725065934
The endgame of 40% of the economy being fake AI bullshit that will not be profitable for a decade is gonna be a great crash and then the same rich nigger 1% faggots like Bezos and Zuckerberg and Musk will get to buy up an even more outsized share of America's physical capital with all the money they stole from the public and funneled into crypto like Trump making $3 billion on crypto just this year.

tfw I got 48 GB single rank ram to try to keep it fast for gaming but now I want to make goonable stuff in houdini instead and would like tons of ram

>>725064000 (OP)
>Actually worth it to go on facebook marketplace to buy shitty old rigs just to harvest old RAM
We're living in some goofy times.

>>725064000 (OP)
>DDR4 64gb
Am I good bros...

>>725069012
Remember when you said that about GPUs 2020? Yeah.............. This decade is dogshit and there is more where that came from, amplified by 10x

>>725066358
>So you have 2 options. Crash that deflates the bubble, or a circlejerk where a few rich companies keep investing into each other, until someone starts noticing that its a ponzi scheme and it crashes
We're on Step 1 of the circlejerk. People are starting to notice and now the hucksters are starting to sweat.

>>725074235
What happened? Did people finally realize putting millions of video cards in a warehouse isn't gonna make Skynet?

>>725065934
Investments including mine increase in value, if you don't own stocks in this environment.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING? can't beat em, join em as they say

>>725072174
New AAA releases aren't worth playing and it CAN play the last 40 years worth of games

>>725064000 (OP)
>bought this for $200 just two months ago
you're already a suckass at that point lmao
I saw that particular DDR5 kit way back then, at $70-75, highest I saw was $90
lol KILL YOURSELF fucking idiot haha

>>725074090
I never said that but GPUs are at msrp prices. Watching retards unnecessarily FOMO into shit is funny though i guess

>Micron is dying after they got barred from chinese market
>Chink got cucked by sanction and kicked out of market
>Kioxia are not even trying
It's all south korean now

>>725074662
Sure bro let me just simply have money to start with

Throwing even a few thousand is irrelevant, a 100% return (you likely aren't seeing this for a long time if ever) on $5000 is only $10,000, grats.

>>725074090
What's probably going to happen is we'll have a couple years of further stagnation and then go back to regular progress again. Consumer GPUs need to be far enough behind the cutting edge that the manufacturing process isn't in high demand for commercial chips anymore.

Fortunately there's literally nothing we're missing out on right now so if we were going to have a few years of stagnation thank god it's right now when it doesn't actually matter.

https://downloadmoreram.com/download.html
retards

So if somebody doesn't have a computer but would like one, what would be the best thing to do? Buy used?

>>725064000 (OP)
Or cryto miners. It's just speculators who never actually become millionaires as you never see them outside of one or two vanity showcases of their mining operation. Got this not too long ago, btw.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DFM9C923/
Not so inflated, only about 2x from the going rate.
Just wait it out and ignore the jackasses saying prices will never go down. They said the same about GPUs.

>>725064000 (OP)
who the fuck needs 96gb of RAM? By the point games are using anything close to that, we'll be on DDR10. The speed will bottleneck you before the capacity ever matters.

>>725075749
>outside of one or two vanity showcases of their mining operation
That doesn't apply to AIbros, but they don't want to show their faces.

you only need 32 GB *buys up more RAM*

>>725075881
Who needs a 5090? Who needs a luxury car? Who needs a gallbladder? Who needs to buy food that isn't necessary to survive? Who needs to post on an anonymous basket weaving forum? It turns out we don't need a lot.

>mfw 8gb ddr3
good enough for me

>>725073561
Buying things you don’t need shows a lack of restraint and financial literacy, brown-kun.

>>725071847
listen here cuntniggerpoopnuggets the gpu boom has been going for over a decade now and not slowing down
crypto/datacenter was just a cover for AI the whole time

>>725076018
Shit comparisons: going from something like a 4070 or something to a 5090 will actually let you push higher resolutions and frames, unlike your RAM. Assuming you're already running a top of the line CPU and GPU (and if you aren't then that calls into question buying 96GB even more) there will be no difference in your framerate/res by going from 32/48 to 96GB.

It's just a wasteful purchase, nothing will use that much and by the time anything does, it will be architecturally outdated along with the rest of your rig.

>he only uses PC for games
do gamers really

>>725076114
Based. New games suck anyways.

>>725076296
I have a work computer with barest minimum low specs and a giganigga gaming computer for separate use. Simple

>>725076296
we use it for jacking off and watching youtube, too

>>725076205
given how absolutely bloated all the lossless high-res textures and the horrendously coded shaders that are being pumped into very major title nowadays, having a shit ton of RAM will possibly be required to run games at anything above 1080/1440 in the near to mid future. also anon may do a lot of video editing, which having a but ton of RAM is definitely good for.

>>725076527
By the point that even 48GB is "recommended" for games, DDR5 will be outdated so its capacity wont matter as much as the entire rig it's built around being ancient. I probably couldn've bought 32GB of DDR2 back in the 00s as well, but I wouldn't be playing games on in today regardless.

>>725075732
>So if somebody doesn't have a computer but would like one, what would be the best thing to do? Buy used?

Build it yourself. Get a 7800X3D or 9800X3D bro, you literally don't need anything else

>>725067839
>>725067902
>>725067975
I mean, it's pretty popular...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory#Personal_computers

>>725076527
Lacking of VRAM is gonna be a problem before it comes to lacking of RAM.

Wow another magical hardware shortage this sure is new and real and not companies colluding to the point where they should be investigated and disolved.

>just recently upgraded from 16gb to 32gb finally
>see this thread
should i double dip? i'm still on a 12gb 3060 and an i5 11400f

I paid $120 for 64GB DDR5 last year. Why is it going up in price? (Seriously, I don't know what AI has to do with RAM I thought it was all GPU)

>>725076676
I'd love to see a max spec DDR2 system with a 5090 in it.

YOUTUBERS? YOU HEAR THAT? GET ON IT

>>725077231
Extremely large language models run mostly on RAM. Like deepseek R1? It's 768gb. That's like $1500 in RAM or $100,000 in GPUs.

I still use 8 gigs of ram

>>725064000 (OP)
qrd? why are the prices increasing again?

>>725064000 (OP)
Something I'm wondering is what happens to the billions of Nvidia GPUs in data centers when they have to be replaced 3 years from now? Is there some mass surge of weird GPUs on the second hand market or do they just throw it out?

>>725077326
Ah, so its all about LLMs and not rendering AI shit of one's waifu. Makes sense

>>725077337
you need more

>2070 Super

I genuinely have not come across a single game I can't fun at 60 FPS on medium settings, I built this computer right before COVID and it seems like it may last another 4-5 years.

Why do people pretend they have to upgrade?

Redpill me on AM5. Is it really going to last as long as AM4?

>check the ram i bought earlier this year
>$520 dollary doos
good lord im glad i didnt wait and got 64 gb

>>725077537
It's both. Datacenters are buying 100,000 $10,000 GPUs and 2,000tb of ram and using it in distributed AI processing methods.

>>725069636
Not really I keep my PCs for at least 7+ years. I built my PC 6 years ago with 32GB or ram which was over kill then and is now getting filled easily. Had I gone with any less I would have been kicking myself today.

>>725077847
Forgot link
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3932890/Escape_from_Tarkov/

lads is it worth buying a pc with a rtx 5060 and RYZEN 7 5700X

>>725077616
Zen 6 for sure and Zen 7 is still being planned as AM5

>>725070513
That's antisemitic

>>725070153
Source?

>>725078051
>Zen 6 for sure and Zen 7 is still being planned as AM5

Is it worth getting 9800X3D with 11800X3D on the way?

>>725078024
no

>>725077949
Taco literally has a memory leak problem that they never bother to fix. They're even worse at optimization than jeets at bethesda

>>725071396
>Bill Gates has now announced that global warming isn't man made and it was a mistake all along. They're now planning to double electricity usage in America by 2030
lol the masses are retarded

>>725076196
DRAM prices will be cheaper than they are now in 1 year.

Screenshot it.

>>725064000 (OP)
i thought ram was way too slow to be effective for ai usage
did something new finally come out to make it useful?

I'm still using the 32gb of DDR4 3000mhz RAM that I bought 8 years ago and I see absolutely no reason to upgrade yet.

>>725078235
not even for $800? thought it was a good deal been debating on getting it

>>725078298
Yeah but pretty sure those recommended are specifically for non-X3D cpus. Guessing 32gb will be fine w/ X3D but there's no telling until we see how badly they've fucked it on release

>>725078513
not gonna bother screenshotting shit as i know your wrong

>WAS ABOUT TO BVUILD A PC
>SAY FUCK IT IM JUST GOING TO WAIT AND BUY IT ALL TOGETHER NOTHING IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE IN SUCH A SHORT TIME FRAME
>I MEAN THE GPU PRICES WENT DOWN TO MRSP AND I GET TO ENJOY A GOOD DEAL LATER WHAT COULD GO PAWSIBLY WR-

Give me one fucking reason why you need 96GB of RAM for video games.

>>725078790
just do what i did when dram prices went nuts for ddr3/4 get used then sell it and get better kits
my ddr4 64gb kit from 2023 is still going hard

>>725078616
Nta but I was thinking maybe for ~$600 or less. But for $800? No

>>725064000 (OP)
Same ended up upgrading to the 100+ gb club in april.
Now the same ram would have cost us double.

>>725064000 (OP)
Glad I fomo'd into 128gb for local AI inference two months ago

Why are they going after ram now anyways? I fuck around with local model stuff and whenever a model spills over the 16gigs of vram my card has over into my ddr4 it takes ages to generate anything.

I seriously hate these people that keep ruining my life

>>725079115
just clown world things

>>725078773
Coward

>>725079115
its the fabs moving production to something else

>have 64gb
>was thinking about going up to 128 for gamedev stuff
>it's $600 for 128gb of DDR5
I hate AIndians so much.

>>725079115
Slow is better than never. Most of RAM and GPUs that hit the consumer market get smuggled to China

I have an unopened set of 2x16tb DDR4 Trident Z RGB

How much could I realistically sell that for now?

$150?

>>725067578
Same here, I have two more matching 16 gig sticks on my wishlist, but they went out of stock almost a year ago and haven't come back.

>>725079497
Look at completed auctions on eBay for a price check.

>>725071396
Holy shit this is the mother of all bubbles isn't it?

>>725078513
Monkey's paw: economic crash worse than the great depression.

>>725071396
>EAT ZE BUGZ
>WHITE PEOPLE SHOWER LESS TO FIX THE WEATHER
>wait.... we can use AI to digitally enslave you?
>WE NEED NUCLEAR POWER! GLOBAL WARNING IS FAKE!
we need 10,000 more Luigis.

>>725079115
Deepseek r1 is 768gb so you need that many gb of ram to run it. It's mostly driven by corporat customers buying 10,000 96gb vram gpus and 2,000tb of ram sticks.

>>725080272
Don't dox my wife

>>725080287
nuclear is 100% safe though

>>725080438
Yeah, they're actually opening up Federal land for coal mining operations and planning to build more coal fired plants lmao

>>725080287
Kek, they didn't even bother to wait for new reactors. They just use gas turbines and call it a day.

>>725080571
how are they going to force people to work in the mines for them?

>>725080698
jeets in

>>725080698
Migrants, obviously.

>>725080438
It always has been, the point being elites didn't want tonuse it until they needed it for AI data centers.

>>725080571
>>725080698
Reminder burning coal releases shitloads of radioactive Isotopes that cause cancer. Nuclear is the only way.

>>725080698
once companies cry to the gov't there's a "labor shortage", next admin is going to bring in south asians, central asians and africans

>>725064000 (OP)
>96GB for gaming

anon...

>>725065934
>capitalism is so retarded they think prices going down would be bad, they call it "deflation"
It would indeed be bad. You wouldn't see any benefits, just shortages and unemployment. It's not a "capitalist" thing, communist regimes practice inflation targeting nowadays as well.

do cl timings matter
between 30 to 36 or no
ddr5 6000mhz

>>725080698
>how are they going to force people to work in the mines for them?
>people
>>725083251
The lower the better. Lower subtimings are even better. But the first number is the most important.

>>725080571
>>725080698
>>725080835
Carbon emission regulation was entirelyv about raising the barrier of entry to crush potentiaaal competition in the crib

the second they decided they need much more electricity they completely walk back decades of carbon emission reduction

it was 100% about locking down the big tech monopoly as the biggest industry in the world because they're 99% software with no emissions. they never imagined that they would need to draw a lot of energy. Most other industries outside of tech have a physical product

of course they're walking it all back overnight pretending like they never said anything

>>725064000 (OP)
>erm the prices are high because of mining
>erm the prices are high because of covid
>erm the prices are high because of tariffs
>erm the prices are high because of AI
And people fall for it every time.

>>725072137
My teachers told us to use Wikipedia citations and not the wiki itself. No copying Wikipedia but only research its citations since it's contains lot more info there.

Are we going to get refunds on the carbon taxes now?

>>725084634
did you actually read the essay?

>>725083748
That makes a lot of sense. Absolute Judaism.

ddr4 is still cheap. Do you REALLY need ddr5?

Do you actually need 96 gb of ram? lmao

Why did ram specifically jump in price?

>>725084702
yes he still gives lip service to climate change but says it doesn't need to be priority

I'm getting big 2021 crypto bubble vibes...

>>725084892
READ THE THREAD
AI DATACENTERS
DEEPSEEK R1 IS 768GB WHICH IS $1500 IN RAM OR $100,000 IN GPUS TO RUN

>>725071139
A lot of the big memory manufacturers (for RAM and storage drives) like SK Hynix, Samsung etc, have committed nearly their entire 2026 manufacturing capacity to HBM (high bandwidth memory) for AI/datacenter usage. So basically: expect little to no DDR4/DDR5 production for the entirety of 2026. It's only going to get worse from here.

>>725084634
Oh cool. Now we can bring back the steel mills and heavy industry from China, right?

>>725084892
New moe-type ai models require a lot of ram instead of vram (huge win for them).
It's good for gamers too. RAM is much easier to produce than gpus, so it will never truly rise in price that much.
And like how much you need? If you buy 64 gb it will be performance outdated faster than capacity outdated. Probably can say it about 32 gb too.

God fucking dammit, I hate AI with a burning passion and I hate the people that completely rely on that piece of shit technology

I have a 12th gen i5 intel CPU, should I upgrade now? I feel like these prices are about to get retarded by next year

>>725085284
no. Next year new tech will come out.

>>725085559
So many companies are going to get burned by this, aren't they?

>>725085657
yeah
it'd be funny if we didn't have to bail them out of their retardation when they inevitably crash the entire economy

>>725066878
>go to any supermarket
>0% of the 20 types of lemonade stocked contain piss
Capitalism has real problems why are people so fucking awful at pointing out the actual bad things their enemies do FUCK

>>725084848
>ddr4 is still cheap

>>725085284
You don't need new hardware unless your current hardware is incapable of doing what you want
>t. Ryzen 5 3600, 64gb ram, rx 6800 gpu

>>725064000 (OP)
>AI
>on system ram
>not vram
Are they retarded or just don't care about the speed?

>>725064893
By the time you need more than 32gb, speeds will have increased and your socket will be obsolete forcing a full rebuild anyway.

>>725065542
>>725071809
Dumbasses
Did you learn nothing from the people who "future proofed" with large volumes of ram on DDR3/4?

>>725085959
>deepseel r1 is 768gb
>$1500 in RAM or $100,000 in GPUs

Who the fuck on /v/ is buying anything over 64gb RAM? Literally no point if you're just gaming.

>>725086010
>ddr4 prices skyrocket for some reason
More RAM isn't going to make it gen faster, bro.
RAM isn't a problem solved by more volume.

>>725086067
Don't worry /v/ also suddenly is filled with major studio 3D animators, musicians, and whatever other bullshit that needs professional hardware at all times judging by the cope posts I see in linux threads too.

>>725086067
Virtual machines. Being a big dick and running games off a RAM disk.

>>725086137
It's not about making it run faster, it's about being able to run it at all. $1500 to get it working is preferable than $100,000 to make it run fast. Especially when you're selling it as a service to someone on a smartphone.

>>725065934
>What's the endgame of making everything infinitely more expensive and unaffordable to proles?
Literal slavery. Like actual full out you will own nothing, zero rights, human cattle slavery. And you will beg for it because the alternative will be starving to death in the streets.

I have more VRAM than I do RAM

>>725064000 (OP)
I bought that 4x pack few weeks ago.
Don't live in a third world country, I guess.

>he doesn't have 256gb ram and 2 5090's
ngmi

>>725086541
>he doesn't have dual epyc 9115 cpus, 1.1tb ram, and dual rtx pro 6000 Blackwels 96gb running on a U.2 Intel optane SSD
Ngmi

>got a 2 grand PC 6 months ago
>only a few hundred more expensive today
>bought a 5070ti at $1k but you can get a 5080 at that price now

Get fucked PC cucks, you almost destroyed the physical market for games, so your suffering will never be enough.

/v/ is finally waking up to the fact capitalism is nothing more than cancer
it's beautiful
holy shit new captcha is cancer

>>725086405
>I have more VRAM than I do RAM
When my VRAM catches up with my DRAM, it's time for more DRAM.
>>725086541
>tfw only one 5090

>tfw fell for the 64GB of ram

should of went with 128

>>725086973
Funny that valve betrayed gamers like 1000 times by now and they still shill that fat fuck gabe in this board

>>725065934
half the national economy is just these AI companies setting up data centers and shit now.
normal people just building a computer aren't the primary consumer anymore, it's startups and large companies spending tens of millions of dollars in a single purchase.
the endgame is making more money off richer customers that can afford to pay more.

as people get poorer this is the way the economy in general is going, instead of selling to lower class and lower middle class who make up a shrinking percentage of sales, companies increasingly are catering to richer clientele to maximize profit margins. jp morgan or something back in 2005 talked about how in the future there will be an economy by the rich for the rich. as it currently stands, the bottom 80% of the country could die off and the consumer economy wouldn't really feel anything since the top 20% are driving the supermajority of all economy activity.

>>725088206
I think there was a recent statement that AI investments have surpassed all consumer spending.

Also recently 90% the S&P 500 closed red but the top 10% of companies were so green the whole thing closed green.

I'm scared. I don't like what's happening. I feel like very bad times are ahead.

>>725087207
What is the use case for a pleb like me? I upgraded to 64gb from 32gb and there wasn't any noticeable difference; I had the option to go with 128gb for example but couldn't really figure out wtf I am meant to use any of that for.

Same with memory I cheaped out on that because it's easier to buy 2nd hand HDD or SSD at a discount when I need the space in 2 or 3 years, probably going to be able to pick up 16TB of extra storage for cheap.

blah I really don't get wtf the point of AI is hope this stupid bubble pops like the crypto bubble so I can go back to cheap vidya again.

>>725086973
If prices remain high it's going to effect how much ram the next gen consoles have, retard

>>725088006
He's the only one preventing MS from completely taking over PC gaming

>>725088206
>>725088286
We're fucked, aren't we.

I wonder if this crash/recession/depression will actually hit china this time.

>>725084848
Do you REALLY need to play games? Do you actually need a computer? lmao

>>725088452
if the AI bubble pops we are so fucked it's not even funny
we really put all our eggs in one basket with this one.

>>725088440
Gabe is literally from Microsoft, the man is as capitalist pig as they get. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

>>725088542
>modern dutch tulip bubble
fucking hell

>>725064000 (OP)
>G.SKILL Flare X5 96GB (2 x 48GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200
>$157 at the start of the year
>returned it and bought a 6400 kit instead for $260
>current price of the 5200 kit is $540 and the 6400 kit isn't even in stock

>>725088616
For comparison, how bad was the dot com bubble?

>>725087207
For my home server/NAS? yeah.
The price of 32GB ECC kits has gone up so much I regret not biting the bullet back then.

>>725064000 (OP)
what the fuck do you need 96GB of RAM for

>>725071741
good thing I only play visual novels and RuneScape

>>725088431
1. Are you performing proper 3-2-1 backups?
2. Virtual machines and AI

>>725088626
Type this into your search bar and then go fuck a duck

"valve linux gaming"

>>725065346
I spent $5000 on a retarded amazing gaming pc back in December of 2023 with a 4090, three 8TB SSDs, and 128 GB of ram. I felt a little silly but wow what an amazing purchase. Has been effectively top top of the line for years now (ignoring the modest gains of the 5090) and I’ve been playing 4k ultra ray traced graphics on everything ever, plus knowing I have such a stupid amount of RAM that the PC will still be valid off yearsssss to come

>>725088616
This was already supposed to happen, the economy has long, long, LONG been overdue for a massive crash and depression. However it has been artificially prolonged ever since the 90s or so. First the dot com bubble, then the 2008 crash being bailed out restructured the economy in favor of the stock market. This bubble is just the latest forced surge to try and juice investors for another hype wave, once it pops the jig is up, I don't see any way they pull another 2008 on us without people getting fed up and going full revolution on them.

>>725088723
the dotcom bubble was around 20 times smaller than the current AI bubble

>>725074090
The prices did go down a little bit but it still hurts your wallet.
I was seeing 3070s going for £900+

>>725088909
>gabe jewell is afraid of ms coming after his drm store for a payback so he shills linux in hopes of his drm store taking off there as well
yes, nothing says freedom like drm store and emu in linux
fucking retard don't reply to me and die in a hole

>>725089050
>once it pops
If everyone thinks there's a bubble, it won't pop it will just deflate.

>>725089118
Nothing you've posted refutes anything I've said. Keep seething, retard

>>725089194
AI has made people go super retarded, it will take a long time for normies (read: retarded investors) to realize this is not magic. These people are really technologically illiterate and have more money than sense, they do not understand that theyre investing trillions into a very complicated Plinko operated word generator that cannot replace people.

>>725089292
>Nothing you
>-ACK!
you didn't say anything retard
you screamed linux and insulted me because you are a retarded corpo worshipper
killyourself valve drone
your kind is responsible for death of pc gaming
everyone hates you

>>725089050
Remember how occupy wallstreet went?

Get ready for all of that propaganda on steroids.

I haven't looked at the prices recently but then I'm glad, I bought 32 GB of DDR4 last December for 50€ and didn't regret it.

>>725071139
AI

Look on the bright side, we could get cheap and fast HMB once it all die down right?

>>725070757
literally me except 4080 super

>>725089408
Its ok

Corsair Vengeance 2x32GB DDR4 is still the same price as it was when I bought it a couple years ago. Different markets are gonna be fucked though.

>>725090752
hope gabe sees this post bro

>>725090834
why? weren't you the one who brought him up in the first place?

>64gb ram
>9950x3d
>RTX 5090

A-am I gonna last for atleast a few years bros?

>>725091281
You may as well just throw that in the trash, honestly

>>725091281
>he didn't get the x3d2
ohnonono

>>725091281
Best I can give you is 40 fps in the latest UE5 slop.

>>725083842
i like this one from 2015
>erm the prices are high because of random flooded factory in taiwan.

>>725091281
>32 gb 3200 MHz DDR4
>5600
>9060xt 16gb
>1080p

>RAM is doubled in price because of muh AI datacenters
biggest meme ive ever heard.

>>725090204
Is the well endowed black man offscreen?

As more and more players get priced out, devs will just dump everything and focus on mobile/console. PC share drops every year, and experienced the biggest plunge the last 3 years. It's almost jover...

>>725091281
>5090
Make do with 1080p 30fps (upscaled from 720p base).

What do you need more than 32gb RAM for?

>>725092351
vr
skyrim
editing
rendering
etc

>>725070757
>4070 nothing, not super, not TI, just basic bitch 4070
>32gb DDR4
>ryzen 5 5600
I'm FUCKED

>>725067578
>hope
Do you not know? What do you even use your computer for?

>>725088452
>We're fucked, aren't we.
yep, since ussr fallen we are only going down

>>725092351
loading local img2vid models

G-guess I will have to get those hand me downs part from my architect friend, then ...

>>725092485
>>725092815
I don't do any of these though

>>725085826
but then it wouldnt get updooted on leddit

What happens if the bubble really pops at this point? The entire universe goes into panic?

>>725092968
Recession, hard times for a bit, then some new gimmick will pop up for people to care about and build capital around. Governments will probably shift to more domestic manufacturing and self-sufficiency as the global economy has been unpredictable for a while now.

It's a cycle at this point and whilst everyone keeps saying "This one is gonna be THE BIG ONE", it's not like we're gonna have an extinction-level event because some billionaires become multi-millionaires.

>>725091980
it's a twofold issue. demand is increasing, and manufacturers are shifting production to server memory, meaning lower supply of everything else. exacerbating the price spike for consumer memory.

i made a graph, lines aren't to scale with anything.

there is no societal or economic issue that cannot be solved with a holocaust

>>725093218
Tbh I think it'll be a good thing in the long run. This fake and gay bullshit economy isn't working for anyone.

>>725066878
>muh capitalism
We have total government control in the west.
Central banks print money which causes prices to go up and the rich get richer.
What we need is capitalism

>>725093393
Yeah. Neo-liberalism has ran its course at this point.

>>725069861
>They are both capitalist
They hate the free market though.
They all support central banking and government intervention.

>>725071661
>at the behest of capitalists
It's mostly at the behest of politicians.
But either way it's not a free market.

>NOOOO ITS NOT REAL COMMUNISM DOESNT COUNT
>NOOOO ITS NOT REAL CAPITALISM DOESNT COUNT
You lost

>>725093529
>Neo-liberalism
You are a fucking TOOL.
How is endless money printing by governments "liberalism" at all?
Holy shit kill yourself you brainwashed moron.

>>725093637
>capitalism is when the government does stuff
lol

Please pop the AI bubble already. I want all of these CEOs to die in abject poverty

If I get a loan to get a new pc, could I not repay it and give the repo people my old pc instead?

>>725093753
Why do you people still support central banking?
It's the only thing keeping billionaires billionaires

>>725093753
>implying
You're going to work until you die bailing them out.

>>725093954
I don't. Central fractional reserve banking something something is a speedrun to the bottom. The entire system ia designed to fuck over the middle class and the poors.

>>725094124
I will do no such thing. I will only work for the government if ever at all because then my money isnt stolen from me- I steal it from you.

>>725093682
>>capitalism is when the government controlled by capital does stuff on behalf of capital
money make more money by any means even by buying power of gov

>>725093792
they will take your new pc, old pc and you still would need to repay it

>>725094129
>The entire system ia designed to fuck over the middle class and the poors.
Yet socialists/leftists support it.
It's funny because it only makes the poor poorer and rich richer and makes people blame "capitalism" on their poverty instead of government.

>>725094380
>on behalf of capital
That's hilarious because money of what the money printing goes to is entitlement spending kek
You people think politicians and the state itself has no self interest.

>>725094465
>You people think politicians and the state itself has no self interest.
sure they have, there is one problem - the capital and politicians are in one bed so their interests align

Just bought this for $132
2 16GB

>>725094542
>the capital and politicians are in one bed so their interests align
Politicians are also in bed with labor and the general public to get votes. It's not all capital.
A lot of economic fuckery(central banking mainly) is due to politicians buying votes with printed money.

>>725094581
>cl40

>>725095123
It's CL40 or CL2026, take your pick.

>upgraded PC in Feb
>9800x3d and cl30 6000mhz 2x32gb
>ram was £180
>now £380

bloomin eck lads

>>725064000 (OP)
but brainless gooners will still defend ai scam no matter if it destroys the whole economy

>>725085959
>Are they retarded or just don't care about the speed?
The problem isn't that datacenters are buying DDR5 memory in droves, it's that they're buying HBM memory in droves and the companies that manufacture memory are now prioritizing that.
DDR4 prices have been impacted even harder because it's flat out not economical to make it anymore.

>>725065934
you need a reminder that they've printed more paper during the scamdemic than ever before, Im not exaggerating. the real inflation is far worse than reported, its just being delayed to avoid the shock


https://techstartups.com/2021/12/18/80-us-dollars-existence-printed-january-2020-october-2021/

>>725096237
How is massively increasing economic efficiency destroying the economy? lol lmao even?

>>725096360
Money printing doesn't cause inflation you stupid right wing capitalist retard

Corporate greed causes inflation. Everyone knows this!

>>725085559
FUCK!
I was going to buy some big HDDs for Black Friday so I could store lots of anime and games since I actually have a little bit of money this year. The internet is getting more and more locked down so I really need to store what I can locally...

I'm still on 32GB DDR4 and it just works

>>725096429
get a clue, the only thing they are increasing is their fake evaluation by using roundtripping scheme passing the money around
and increasing energy prices for everyone - the very opposite of economic efficiency

>>725096540
>get a clue, the only thing they are increasing is their fake evaluation by using roundtripping scheme passing the money around
I agree AI is a bubble right now because the fed prints so much money and it's unsustainable
but AI in general isn't a phase or something
When the dot com bubble burst the internet didnt disappear

>and increasing energy prices for everyone
What happens when energy is automated, prices come down

>>725064000 (OP)
>CL36

>>725096537
>bought 32GB DDR4 CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX 3600Mhz in 2024 for around $57 (including tax)
>now its around $200
Jesus Christ it's insane how much they went up in price.

>>725096537
16 GB here. Your yuritranny manga was cancelled, btw.

>>725096537
This. I'm sitting on 32 since cities skylines.

>>725064000 (OP)
I'm still using 16 GB of RAM

>>725098163
16GB is the new minimum though. software just keeps getting more bloating every year.

>>725098249
32GB is the new minimum. Stop being poor.

>>725098794
>Stop being poor.
maybe stop offshoring jobs to China and India to save few pennies

>>725064893
built mine 2 years ago and went for 64gb ddr5 because the virgins here told me to go for 32gb ddr4. no regrets. also went for i7 4790k way back when the retards here told me to get an i5 4690. retired that good boy with my last pc.

>>725099010
CL timing is more important than the overall amount of RAM; unless you specifically need that extra RAM for something, like game dev or having 100 applications open at once.

>>725069861
it's the same kike coin, just different sides.

>>725065542
Dude I remember faggots on /v/ telling me years ago that >"8GB is enough, you don't need 16GB".
Brother when it's that cheap you might as well.
Yeah I get that a decade and a half has passed since then but if they couldn't see where things were headed they're retarded

>>725064000 (OP)
First it got fucked by crypto, now AI. It's over techbros... It's for rich people only now.

And 99% of this AI crap is so browns can generate pictures of white children to jerk off to.

>>725098794
This almost makes me want to be more poor just to piss off companies that try to sell overpriced shit to me.

>>725099279
You have to keep in mind even the le epic based redpilled faggots who spammed about the secret truths in the world don't actually give a shit that Bessent is a Soros plant

>>725100054
I believe the term cutting off your nose to spite your face is relevant here.

>>725085826
It's hyperbole. The real equivalent is, for example, "orange juice from concentrate".

>>725100125
I suppose so, fortunately I still have some common sense to see it's a dumb idea and I'd rather simply not spend on things I don't need.

>>725093650
You print the money to give to browns as welfare.
This isn't complicated. Not that anon by the way.

>>725100267
Just save(invest) you're money and wait for the prices to drop. Deliberately making yourself poor is nigger behavior.

>>725071913
Manufacturing investment is down compared to Biden.

>>725100342
and the stock market is at record highs. Sorry you missed the boat.

>>725071913
I'm old enough to remember when they ghosted on the Foxconn plants. Fuck outta here.

>>725100394
>The economy is fine because my monopoly money is worth millions! Never mind the literal physical jobs that produce labor, jobs, and product is down the shitter!

Literal clown world economy.

>>725100394
Nobody gives a shit. The stock market was in record high in 2024 too, I'm not glazing fucking Biden for that when companies nickle and dime you by lining the food with sawdust and charging $29.99 for it. This is irrespective of who is in power because they both suck jew cock

>>725100469
They would have to kick 50% of the country out to bring worth back to those jobs. Chinks and Poos are the labor slaves of the world now and that's not gonna change. You may as well take advantage of the situation to make easy money.

>>725100562
Not him but unironically already did by putting $20k into any company that nuthugs Trump like TKO or Oracle or Palantir a year ago. People might give me shit for that but it's really no different from supporting the same system through your 401k

>>725070806
Is this some brown "humor" or just a broken bot?

>>725100394
The stock market is always at record highs, you fucking dumbass. It's supposed to grow. The fact that you think that's a win means you're an illiterate retard.

WEW dodged a bullet.

>>725100884
Stfu tranny. Go for a walk to the bridge and do what you need to do.

>>725100394
>and the stock market is at record highs
yeah stocks are high while my food is expensive, couple of AI companies circulate money between each other to inflate stock valve you will get the recession you deserve when it all comes crashing down.

GPU shortage is happening again next month or two. Expect 5070ti and 5080 to be $1119 and $1499.

>>725100996
The stock market always give positive returns with the only exception being Hoover, Nixon, and Bush over a century long period. You're retarded.

>>725101336
>it's always at record highs
>okay, actually that's false
>erm actually I meant it goes up with inflation

Just kill yourself already.

>>725069861
There is no difference. The USA is a business. It's a corporate republic run by suits.
It's hilarious how you need billions in corporate sponsorship to run for office in a "democratic" nation.
Their government merely exists to write corporate legislation so corps can legally rape americucks in the ass.
Their toddler-tier politics over gunz/abortion/race/identity are fabricated issues to distract the population from how hard they're getting penetrated.
Muttards also possess 0 general knowledge of the outside world causing the to stil believe they are numbah one and not Brazil 2.0 but with more billionaires. Meanwhile they still mutilate their newborn infants to mark them as the brainwashed goy slaves they are.

>>725064000 (OP)
My stepdad bought a computer for $3000 in 1996 and it was already obsolete but he considers himself an expert on computers because he did all kinds of research back then. He says you have to buy computers in February. That's the only time they are cheap. Also there is no need to install Microsoft Office, it is simply hidden in windows and you aren't good enough at computers to find it but Paint does the exact same thing. The most important feature to look for in a computer is the number of USB ports. Also your keyboard is all fucked up unless it is shaped like pic related. This keyboard is ergonomic. Microsoft will brick all your shitty rectangular keyboards any day now. You're a fool if you bought a normal looking keyboard even if it's on a laptop.

>>725065934
economics is an extremely flawed field, almost as bad as psychology, where lots of fundamental concepts are based entirely off of assumptions with no concrete evidence. Only it's worse because everyone lives and dies by its consequences. The problem only got worse since money became completely detached from reality when the US dropped the gold standard.

>>725101551
My hope is Trump keeps fucking things up so the rest of the world can finally drop the petrol dollar and not be dependent on jewmutt scams that will cause another crisis.

>>725101427
Nah I'm sure it'll be okay. Once my DOGE check comes in I'll be able to put some of it toward the memory here

>>725099208
>>725083251
>>725065250
>>725097703
>>725095123
>MUH CL
>BIG NUMBER BAD
low iq zoomers

>>725101915
Stock XMP use garbage sub timings which your post is proving.

>>725101403
Eventually reaching record highs after months of having the worst stock market performance at the start of a presidential term since 1972 isn't impressive.

>>725101915
They are retarded but the reason why everyone was seeking CL30 DDR5 6000 kits is hynix a-die or m-die.
Those kits will run with very tight sub-timings and performance will be much better than XMP.
If you are playing memory sensitive autism sims like Factorio it will give you 20% or more performance.
For AAA games it barely makes a difference tho.

>>725102067
>still moving the goalposts.

The bridge, it calls to you.

>>725070123
I can't help but noootice that in the first 2 the government is presented as a problem and in the third it magically transforms into a solution.

>>725102127
The idea of seeking out specific dies and tweaking sub-timings just to run your Factorio megabase at 60 UPS is pretty based.

Nice, I will be able to sell my old RAM for a better price.
2x16GB DDR4 Samsung B-Die are getting pricey.

>>725102138
Basically every president has record highs at some point. Biden had 21 different record highs. Cherry picking now when Trump had shit performance and stagnation at the start is retarded. It would've been way higher without tariffs.

What are the retards here talking about needing 32+Gb of ram ? The fuck do you need that much 16is more than enough .

>>725102408
Now xister, you are coping/malding because what you said was false. Your options are:

1 - Take off the wig & stop pretending to be a woman.

2 - heed the call of the rope/bridge.

>>725064000 (OP)
Cry more. I still remember when 10MB was $1200, and it persisted for years because of some warehouse fire. Fuck the 90s

>>725102556
You're financially illiterate and retarded.

>>725102624
>stock asset bubble = the economy

>>725064000 (OP)
>components keep going up
>games keep getting less and less optimised
>soon people just wont even bother buying new shitty games on PC and will instead play indie roguelikes and the newest FOTM indie game or old shit instead
>revenue of all game companies tank hard and they're either forced to optimise or we go back to PS2 era graphics
mad comfy I dont give a fuck fuck playing AAA shit

>>725102624
I haven't seen a tranny have a meltie this bad in a while. Makes sense that you're such a dipshit given that you couldn't even figure out what gender you are.

>>725064000 (OP)
You don't need that much ram

>>725102310
just tweaking one sub timing setting can massively boost your 1% lows
in multiple games. when people complain about it "stutter" its cuz
their ram is too slow and unoptimized. just using stock xmp is not
enough in 2025.

>>725102696
>muh tranny
This your vice president?

On the one hand the poors are getting priced out of my hobby
On the other hand jews and gooks are making even more money
This is truly a no win situation for me

>>725064000 (OP)
bough g.skill 32GB(2x16GB) for ~600PLN(Złotych, potato currency) 1 or 2 years back
now it costs ~1600PLN
WTF

>>725065934
The endgame is control
Whenever someone earns money, they gain influence and power since that can be used to get people to do what you want whether it's a mcwagie sandwich or to buy property
The uber-wealthy, are at all times trying to get as much money as they can because they want to become more influential and powerful. Prices in general go up over time since currency gets worth less as more is printed, but also the relative price for a lot of goods are raising as the wealthy are intending on pricing people out of the economy. As more and more wealth is accumulated by the top players, more people are priced out of the economy without much hopes for recovery outside of working inhumane hours at a deadend job(s), the endgame is for higher and higher percentages of the population being forced to work multiple shit jobs to make ends meet, the owning class will intend to use their money to keep that status quo. Think feudalism, but technically more ethical

>>725102886
>>725103052
It's mostly Hynix ram going up. If you overpay for Samsung or Micron memory you got jewed.

>>725103052
Polish retailers are the most greedy fuckers.
You can still find RAM for less $ on Allegro.

>>725102683
I've finally got a cushy job after NEETing it out for years. I was happy that I could finally replace my toaster soon. But no, everything has to go up in price, AGAIN. I fucking hate it. At this point buying a PC below $3000 will be a waste. Especially when new consoles will be a thing in 1-2 years. They'll probably incorporate some more AI meme tech that won't be backwards compatible on Njudea cards so those $900 or whatever spent on a GPU will be a fucking waste.
I hate it.

Is it a bad decision to buy used computer parts?

>>725103415
Depends used PSUs? Absolutely used GPUs? From reliable people not really

>only have a steam deck
I'm okay right
I totally didn't fuck up not building my first pc a year ago right

>>725103573
What do you wanna play? AAA shit? You fucked up Emulation and games pre 2019? You're fine some games are optimised great for SD like the new DL game most devs dont give a shit about PC in general let alone Steam Deck

>>725064000 (OP)
>AI slop
That shit is fucking everything up. There's literally zero upside, zero. It's a massive bubble.

>>725064000 (OP)
thank fuck I got 64gb for my 9800x3d build at the beginning of the year

>>725103307
>Njudea
Switch to AMJeet retard

>>725103307
The kikery will be worth it in the end for the AI vids we'll be able to make in the future.

>>725103415
Depends what you're buying and from whom. Obviously the detriments for getting used hardware are two-fold: 1. you'll likely be getting hardware that is outdated since most people won't sell current hardware for a good price and 2. the hardware itself might be worn out (mostly relevant for overclocked CPU's and GPU's) which will reduce its reliability or performance. Unless it's a really good offer or you trust the seller then I wouldn't bother.

>>725103703
Which means I'll have to wait even more for cards that can bruteforce shit at acceptable framerates since FSR4 isn't really backwards compatible from what I understand. And I don't want to use older FSR versions ever again. All just to save like $50-100.

>>725065576
It's better to replace it than add it. Just get a new RAM kit that comes with two sticks included, don't buy them separately.

>>725103650
I just want something that lets me data hoard and browse my hundreds of thousands of pictures of anime girls without crashing the file browser and melting the cpu

>>725064000 (OP)
not a problem with nortubel

>>725096472
Kek, you really don’t understand economics do you

>>725100264
Ok? So just buy the real orange juice in the fridge isle instead of looking in the soft drink isle.

>>725099785
Depends on if you use Chromium browser or not

>>725102624
>schrodingers leftist

>>725103936
Well for Data hoarding its probably shit what you have the internal and an SD card? Thats fine then

>>725066878
>prices go down
>this is great keep doing that
who's ass did you pull that from?

damn you're right, my 32gb DDR4 kit from 1 year ago DOUBLED in price

>>725104674
mine quadrupled
wtf

Is 32 gb enough for vidya while opening a few tabs of brave? Klevv bolt 64 gb cl30 is around €193 at my local rn, should i pull the trigger before the price get worse?

great, rip my new pc...

>>725104579
Everything important in China is state-run (by the CCP), and not-for-profit.

For example, all the energy companies are state-owned, and their primary goal is to supply as much energy as possible as efficiently (cheaply) as possible.

They allow trivial things to be run capitalist style, but even then they keep their shareholders in check and don't allow them to run society, like they do in the west.

>>725104674
64gb DDR5 kit I bought in July is €100 more expensive now and I'm pretty sure it was overpriced to begin with

>>725104579
CCP literally made Alibaba founder disappeared for a few months because he was trying to go full jew.

>>725067079
Blame the jewish judge that sided with them more like

>>725083251
just to warn, DDR overclocking/timing tightening is for people who know what they're doing. It'll give marginal benefits if you get it right, or give you subtle issues you'll suddenly notice some months from now and struggle to diagnose, or fuck your OS and/or corrupt a bunch of data...

It's really something i would only recommend for overclocking enthusiasts

>>725106475
Aye yes, China, the communist utopia where hundreds of people are routinely chewed to death by industrial machinery daily because having health and safety laws and worker rights would reduce productivity.

>>725104579
all the necessities are run by the CCP. to make sure the population can have a good enough life. the moment the elites get uppity they get a "the army sends their regards"
years ago they also kicked out the jews for trying subversion
https://aish.com/chinas-crackdown-on-the-jewish-community-of-kaifeng/

you better buy up SSDs too. they are next on the list of AI faggotry. nvme already jumped to 25% of their prices from last year

I have never needed more than 16. Even with Blender and Unity running it's enough. And I don't understand why I would ever want to run multiple taxing games at once.

>>725109735
What would ai use SSD for again? What next? Just buy fucking whole rig at this point.

>>725109737
If you are playing any modern AAA games you will definitely need over 16GB, otherwise the RAM will bottleneck your computer.

>>725110003
Is there even a single game that has higher than 16GB RAM req?

>>725109735
I don't have need for more storage at the moment. It's a lie, there is no such thing as enough storage.
6TB of SSDs and 10TB+ of HDDs, almost full, mostly garbage I could simply delete.

>why???
Because PC's aren't for gaming, get a console instead if you don't want to play second fiddle.

>>725071139
the usuals.

>>725110091
You need to have north of the recommended hardware to have any hope of a smooth experience in modern games. Minimum requirements will either get you sub-30FPS or potato graphics like a PS2 because of the bottle-necking.

>>725110237
You know next-gen console will get fuck too if ram prices don't go down right?

>>725066358
>crash
>in current state of world

yeah rather not.

>>725109912
AI tech bros want everything in the rig to be used as processing power for LLM. they don't want to admit that the current model is bad and there is a need for a better optimized with a different and better programming logic to advance
>>725110093
>spent the entirety of last year saving money for black friday
>bought 10 tb of SSDs in one go
did the same thing with RAM in 2024 and bought 256gb of DRR4. do I use all of them? no. I don't. i'm only using 64gb. but I sure as fuck won't need to buy more ram any time soon

>>725110324
RAM usage barely changes when you change settings. How much you have doesn't matter as long as you have enough.

>>725110515
>did the same thing with RAM in 2024
2023*

Puh, for once I just bought stuff in time.

Got myself
>2x 16GB DDR5 6000 28CL modules for 95 Euros 1,5 month ago
>Got the RTX 5070 on sale for 469€

>>725110551
It definitely affects your 1% lows, and can cause massive instability. Back when D4 released, I had 16GB, and If I had firefox open with a few tabs the game would run like absolute shit and hitch constantly. When I doubled it to 32GB, it was a night and day difference, game ran as smooth as greased butter.

If you're still running 16 I would absolutely recommend upgrading, at least when the price is right.

>>725110980
As long as it works I am not buying more things. If it didn't work for you then it's a you problem.

>>725111151
How about stop being poor and upgrade your favelaPC?

>>725110980
>when the price is right.

just wait a decade anon.

>>725075615
>Fortunately there's literally nothing we're missing out on right now

GTA6 in 2 years is only thing, maybe Witcher4. other than that modern games are unoptimized crap.

>>725111280
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is pointless. I will upgrade when I need it.

>>725064000 (OP)
Not just AI, PC has to deal with prices of Hardware used for Bitcoin mining, NFT generation, Kernel level data gathering too. Eastern countries like China and India fucked up PC gaming big time for anybody trying to build new PCs.

>>725112410
and to play what games?

>>725112410
>Bitcoin mining
They use ASIC instead since long time ago
>NFT
Six feet under
It's because of AI this time

>>725086973
PC doesn't give a shit about physical, why buy used when you can just download it for free?

>>725071169
The great thing about 4k is you can turn down the settings

>>725112773
I want to say any new games that run on Unreal 5, but that appears to be a lost cause because nothing on the market can run Unreal 5 properly

>>725110485
I'm just here to see nvidia crash and burn

>>725086316
nah :)

>>725109596
chinese also dont have any rights or property

>muh tsunami
>muh fabs
>muh covid
>muh scalping
>muh inflation
>muh tariffs
>muh AI

>>725091281
>5090
That’d be my only concern. I wouldn’t be able to live with the worry of it burning itself out after a couple years.

>>725114759
>burning itself out after a couple years.

Just in time for you to buy the new 6090 GTRX SUPER DUPER with AI+ ULTRAVISION SMARTLEARN, for only $5999