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Do Star Trek fans patiently wait for the day their franchise enters some kind of gaming renaissance or do they just quietly accept the games that draw just enough inspiration from Star Trek like Mass Effect?
Anonymous No.725089778 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
We just decades ago accepted that there would never be a good game because the IP holders are geriatric retards that can’t open an email attachment.
Anonymous No.725089806 [Report] >>725090998 >>725116731 >>725117472
>>725089562 (OP)
Star Trek games are stuck in perpetual limbo, the only game that ever really felt Star Trek were the PNC adventure games.

What I would give for a Star Trek RPG where you play as a crew member through a 5 year mission and have to survive each anomoly and diplomatic incident using different skills in engineering, science, diplomacy
Anonymous No.725090236 [Report] >>725090332 >>725090430 >>725090616 >>725090896 >>725094987 >>725097790 >>725097889 >>725098471 >>725104215 >>725116048 >>725116495 >>725119287 >>725119886 >>725120181 >>725124043 >>725125098 >>725151334
>>725089562 (OP)
I feel bad for Trekkies sometimes, their franchise is in a truly bad place right now.
Anonymous No.725090332 [Report] >>725127559
>>725090236

It's so bad that Janeway references are a highlight.

Star Wars is somehow even worse off.
Anonymous No.725090430 [Report] >>725090523 >>725099545
>>725090236
It couldn't be any worse than say, Star Wars. At least the people in Picard 3 were savvy enough to have a reunion, unlike say, Luke/Leia/Han.
Anonymous No.725090467 [Report] >>725090535 >>725090675 >>725104275 >>725107129
>>725089562 (OP)
Go watch star trek piccard, or the preview of the new show with the transexual klingon.

Expectations are burried in the ground. Lower decks is the closest thing to trek, and all it gets is a gacha game.

BTW, any of you fucks sneak that voyager game yet?
Anonymous No.725090502 [Report] >>725091098 >>725091138 >>725091482
>>725089562 (OP)
How is Star Trek Online?
I can download it for free on my console and it looks like there's no paid expansions so I just might but I've never heard anything about this game.
Anonymous No.725090523 [Report] >>725090663 >>725099545 >>725101669
>>725090430
I mean how the fuck do you not even have a LUKE/CHEWBACCA reunion where they cry about han? People needed to be frozen in carbonite for that shit.
Anonymous No.725090535 [Report] >>725092889 >>725159885
>>725090467
>reddit spacing
Anonymous No.725090536 [Report] >>725090687
>do star trek fans
my wife is a trekkie and i'd rather not see any star trek for the rest of my life
especially fucking voyager
Anonymous No.725090594 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
There might be a revival akin to The Next Generation after the great societal uprising. When people want corny philosophical content over action slop.
Anonymous No.725090616 [Report]
>>725090236
its been like almost 30 consecutive years of shit, it dont matter no more
Anonymous No.725090663 [Report] >>725094680
>>725090523
A reunion was doomed anyways. Carrie Fisher did too much drugs as a young actress which fucked her face, voice and stature. Harrison Ford notoriously doesn’t care about anything beyond a paycheck. Hamill also smoked and ate too much to look halfway tolerable as Luke. Its like an old rock reunion and everyone looks like a disheveled corpse now.
Anonymous No.725090675 [Report] >>725091012
>>725090467
>Go watch star trek piccard, or the preview of the new show with the transexual klingon.
I think instead of rage baiting myself I'll go watch DS9
Anonymous No.725090687 [Report] >>725091368
>>725090536
Suck it up, Jay. You'll learn to love it.
Anonymous No.725090878 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
The chances of there being ANY good Star Trek media in this decade are literally zero, so you have no choice but to content yourself with Star Trek adjacent media.

In fact, if you have any love or respect for Star Trek, that's the only way you will ever experience Star Trek related content, because you absolutely should not be rewarding the corpos for raping Star Trek's corpse over and over again.
Anonymous No.725090896 [Report] >>725094664 >>725098516 >>725140750
>>725090236

Strange New Worlds is a really good rebound. star trek's shit era was when they were trying to be grimdark by giving the federation an analog to the CIA and putting all of the characters through shell shock and (later) obnoxious high-contrast lighting. DS9 actually really pissed off roddenberry but at that point he was george lucas circa 2013.

star trek is a weird IP because the focus is on exploration and diplomacy and the only thing that draws crowds these days is big heckin laser battles.

the trek label is going to turn off fans who associate trek with cheesy space opera, and most trek fans are usually high functioning autists who would rather play as scottie than kirk.

but the lack of bug testing for any trek game makes all of that a moot point anyway
Anonymous No.725090998 [Report] >>725092693
>>725089806
The game you want exists, you just don't know about it because you are a mainstream normie trendchasing loser.
Anonymous No.725091012 [Report]
>>725090675
based niner
Anonymous No.725091098 [Report]
>>725090502
You can grind for the cash shop money so as long as you're autistic the game is completely free.
Anonymous No.725091138 [Report] >>725091408
>>725090502

STO is past its heyday. premium ships can go for $25 USD but you really only ever need to buy one at max level. the game gives you a steady stream of new ships until you reach the sub-premium tiers. the dilithium economy is jank but grinding patrols and PvE every few days is good enough to let you equip nice stuff on your ship. you'll literally spend a lifetime upgrading and rerolling equipment perks, but you can take any piece of equipment and turn it into a max-level godroll with enough time. you can also technically trade premium currency for for dilithium earned in the game. rate is usually 1 coin per 130 dillithium and 1 coin is about a penny's worth. the game gives you the path to be a cheapskate which is very nice.

the game itself has no direction though. you can follow the plotlines in the early game and then they just drop you off into the galaxy
Anonymous No.725091368 [Report]
>>725090687
it's been almost 20 years, no thanks
it's either this or stargate, on repeat
Anonymous No.725091408 [Report] >>725092415
>>725091138
I played it for a Christmas in 2010, has it changed much since then? I thought the worst part was the away mission shooting sections, how you didn't actually aim and could just spam your phaser firing button.
Anonymous No.725091481 [Report] >>725092575 >>725094783 >>725094871
I dont know why people reccomend DS9. It's so boring.
Anonymous No.725091482 [Report]
>>725090502
I put it this way: Just play the story, make your bridge officer to however you want, and that it. Treat many of the earlier stories as a love letter to the Star Trek universe by Trekkies writer. That being said, the game content is mostly flying around ship than land content. MANY of the meta-tier traits and console to run an efficient ship requires $$$ and/or time. You won't be getting those ships instantly unless you pay money. To get a T6 for free, you either
>play as intended, grind all rep until you get a Fleet Module, then buy a T6 ship
>Do the Annual event where you have to run MANY events to get points until you meet the point requirement. At which you are rewarded 2 Zen Shop Ship coupon, 1 prem (lockbox) ship coupon, and Lobi Crystal, which let you get ship, but recommended if you do it at discount
>Do Event that give out T6 Ship if you do the event; Chrismas and Summer event almost always has a T6 ship
>Giveaway Ship from the Anniversary
It get crazy autistic in regards to meta and endgame, despite the fact that endgame difficulty hasn't change since a decade.
>Do the Klingon Create a New Character Event that let you get an IMPORTANT T6 Ship that give you the trait, Withering Barrage aka one of the most important DPS trait for new players

TLDR, play story, but if you're staying for the long run, get use to doing events to earn those ship. I Stay for a few years and I love looking at my ship.
Anonymous No.725091558 [Report] >>725091684
>>725089562 (OP)
Star Trek as an actual setting isnt really suited for action games, the only way to make a meaningful series tie-in would be through something like a dialogue-heavy adventure game or VN, or else a spreadsheet autism simulator or discount 4X where you play a newly developed starfleet branch exploring a sector on the edge of discovered space.
Anonymous No.725091684 [Report]
>>725091558
Elite Force pretty much proven that wrong. And there are LOTS of opportunity for action combat to be a thing, but its not really the demographic they want these days.
Anonymous No.725092415 [Report]
>>725091408

there's a dumbed down control interface for xbox now, game is also free on there. it can be frustrating to cycle through crewmember abilities but shooting is much easier now.

i hated the away missions too, but not because of the aiming. just that there really wasn't any viable way to buff up your character's health and shields even in late game. enemies would have World-of-Warcraft boss health (the borg undine boss was godawful), while you act like a little mortal with a pewpew. cover is very helpful but not always available. the only good thing is that the game doesn't drown you in enemies for regular story missions. aim for the weakest ones first and you can clear out half the room quickly.
Anonymous No.725092562 [Report]
Yeah, with the current demand for sci-fi there should've been dozens of ST projects in the works in all genres: strategy, roleplay, sims, shooters, management, rogueli*es, interactive fiction, anything. Indies have already explored various ideas, all it takes is to copy them.
Anonymous No.725092575 [Report]
>>725091481

the first half of the series is slice of life stuff where quark and garak are always up to something and the characters talk about their feelings.

that's actually the slop i live for, but if the second half is all bioweapons, concentration camps, coups, etc.

i really want a star trek show where the protagonists are han solo style adventurers doing their own thing. starfleet is too rigid and most of the drama from the series comes from finding ways to break the rules without really breaking them to save lives. trek is really a 2010s neoliberal USA but with people who can argue rationally. i WANT my gene augmentations now!
Anonymous No.725092693 [Report] >>725093150 >>725140915
>>725090998
Then name it, I wrote of Star Trek games 20 years ago when they started doing quake clones
Anonymous No.725092841 [Report] >>725092902 >>725093167 >>725094415 >>725094853 >>725094917 >>725097230 >>725101827 >>725107436 >>725140932
Can someone summarise what's shitty about the state of star trek? I watched TOS and TNG in their entirety a few years ago and left it at that but I only hear bad things these days.
Anonymous No.725092889 [Report] >>725094456
>>725090535
It's proper English. Jeet-kun.
Anonymous No.725092902 [Report] >>725093307
>>725092841
Star Trek no longer poses moral and philosophical quandaries for you as the viewer to contemplate. It now force-feeds you woke narratives like every other bit of pozzed media nowadays.
Anonymous No.725092931 [Report] >>725093093 >>725093952 >>725095164 >>725098724 >>725099094 >>725101694 >>725116808 >>725140836
what do you guys think
Anonymous No.725093093 [Report] >>725093952
>>725092931
Seems okay, will probably be a solid 6/10 on launch.
Anonymous No.725093150 [Report] >>725094359 >>725098425
>>725092693
Okay but you have to swear to be less of a mainstream normie fag loser who doesn't play video games.

But yeah, that was some game. Choices matters games are out there, people generally just don't know about them. And every planet you landed on was a different sci-fi tv episode, but I'd be careful. You might think you know which scifi plotline they are ripping off, but some planets could lead you to believe you are in a Ridley Scott storyline when it's really a John Carpenter storyline. Or maybe both are happening at the same time? who knows...
Anonymous No.725093167 [Report]
>>725092841
TOS and TNG were honest dramas about life in space dealing with science fiction situations, such as anomolies, first contacts, hyper advanced aliens, interstellar diplomacy, ect.

Modern Star Trek is action slop that wishes they were the MCU with Joss Wedon tier writing and lol so random ecksdee 'anomolies' and stupid nonsense that sounds like a 7th grader wrote it because it sounded cool, but doesn't use any real life scientific concepts nor poses any moral questions, such as the tardigrade drive conceptualized by an actual tard.

https://youtu.be/Xjy6idrqHqo
Anonymous No.725093185 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
star trek is dead, women ruined it

make something new
Anonymous No.725093307 [Report] >>725093584 >>725093615
>>725092902

star trek was always very preachy, the average scifi fan doesn't see it though because they don't spend time on 4chan very often. roddenberry made a black man and a (((white))) man kiss on-screen. that pissed off the average conservative TV viewer back then enough to dip revenue, but the overton window has shifted so they shifted their subversion is well. tolerance weeds its way in across generations. you'll never be as redpilled as a slaveowner was no matter how hard you try.

it's okay to like trek as a chud, you just can't enjoy the federation as protagonists, or at least not as a whole. plenty of shifty characters on every ship you can latch onto if you like. esign mariner is one of my favorites.
Anonymous No.725093368 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
trek fans are beaten and broken by now
Anonymous No.725093584 [Report]
>>725093307
Being preachy and being retarded are two very different things.
Anonymous No.725093615 [Report] >>725094582
>>725093307
Moral relativism is claptrap incarnate. There is a massive difference between portraying an interracial kiss (which by the way the kiss in TOS happened because of mind control) and actively shitting on straight white males by either making them unabashedly effete or treating them as though they are always in the wrong.
Anonymous No.725093671 [Report] >>725094056 >>725094435 >>725094503
>>725089562 (OP)
What alien race is this?
Anonymous No.725093952 [Report]
>>725092931
>>725093093
I can't wait to turn this into Harry Kim Cucking Simulator 2377. I MUST KEK HARRY KIM.
Anonymous No.725094056 [Report]
>>725093671
blue woman
one of my favourite alien races
Anonymous No.725094359 [Report] >>725094580 >>725096035
>>725093150
Calm down jeet and just name the game instead of reddit blogging
Anonymous No.725094415 [Report]
>>725092841
The news series are awful actionslop and the characters act like obnoxious redditors.

Watch DS9 btw
Anonymous No.725094435 [Report]
>>725093671
I thought it was a Tau before entering the thread.
Anonymous No.725094456 [Report]
>>725092889
>reddit reading comprehension
Anonymous No.725094503 [Report]
>>725093671
I think it's supposed to be a Bolian
Anonymous No.725094580 [Report] >>725094712
>>725094359
guess not, then
Anonymous No.725094582 [Report]
>>725093615

i want to get amazon pressed by a 2 meter holodeck simulation of renamon. why is every captain kissing black girls?
Anonymous No.725094616 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Trek has been dead since ENT, no hope.
Plus I read polfags and other zoomers hate the Utopian concepts of Trek (as do the IP holders)

Just let everything good die so that some gen alpha can say "Trek was never good"
Anonymous No.725094664 [Report]
>>725090896
>DS9 actually really pissed off roddenberry
Roddenberry died before it ever aired.
Anonymous No.725094680 [Report]
>>725090663
I fucking hate Harrison Ford he's just an uncaring kike that's hates his fans and the franchises that gave him his wealth and fame. Then for some reason people cock slurp this attitude.

The reunion wasnt bad because they were all washed up and looked bad. If anything that had the potential to have a more real feel to it. Instead they went the weird route of character assassination on Luke and making Leia an all powerful being doing the weird flying thing through space.
Anonymous No.725094712 [Report]
>>725094580
Thought so.
Anonymous No.725094783 [Report]
>>725091481
Its my favorite one, as an another said, its basically space Cheers which is an interesing type of slop. Then you have the action episodes to spice things up. No idea why they went the weird magical negro god route.
Anonymous No.725094853 [Report] >>725095002
>>725092841
The retconned the old series so that now the federation are evil colonizers and all the old episodes of Star Trek that might have given you the impression that the Federation were good guys who were interested in science and exploration and dealing with alien species on the basis of mutual cooperation and respect were actually a series of elaborate Potemkin villages set up by the space CIA.
Anonymous No.725094871 [Report]
>>725091481
The Dominion war is great and it has Trek's best villains (Dukat/Weyoun/Kai Winn)
Anonymous No.725094889 [Report] >>725141828
>>725089562 (OP)
>Team, you'll be beaming down to the planet to take some measurements of this bizarre anomaly that causes you to inflate until you explode (non lethally). Ensign big blue titty alien, accompany them for 'security detail'.
Anonymous No.725094917 [Report] >>725095216
>>725092841
Star Trek is supposed to be about enlightened humans living in a utopia going around space and teaching aliens to be cool like them and also space politics because not everyone wants to be cool like humans. This isn't very realistic to most people because they don't even know the decades of war and genocide that led humans to reevaluate their society so instead the utopia is full of corrupt people and humans act just like the people that started the wars and genocide in the first place.
Anonymous No.725094986 [Report] >>725095164
>>725089562 (OP)
What's a Chiss doing in the Star Trek universe?
Anonymous No.725094987 [Report]
>>725090236
I watched Star Trek and really liked it even though it was super dated and cheesy. My friends keep telling me to watch other entries but I watched a very new one that felt like a movie and it was like 30 minutes of the captain going home and then being called back to space with tons of cinematic angles before I checked out.
Anonymous No.725095002 [Report] >>725095278 >>725095786 >>725097517
>>725094853
That could actually be interesting though? I've never tried watching any of the new stuff.

But old stuff was
> we solved world hunger
> racism between humans, gone
> war between humans finished

It was posed as the humans were in some sort of socialist utopian age.
Anonymous No.725095087 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
I'd rather it enters a TV renaissance if it was going to enter any renaissance.
Anonymous No.725095164 [Report] >>725095204
>>725092931
>Ship building
>Choices mattering
>Actual Star Trek plots and beats
Has the potential to be one of the best Star Trek games but it's 2025 so won't hold my breath
I pray for good mod support
>>725094986
Chiss eyes are solid red
Anonymous No.725095204 [Report] >>725095246
>>725095164
>Chiss eyes are solid red
I don't expect japs to give a fuck about that.
Anonymous No.725095216 [Report] >>725102568 >>725104417 >>725107191
>>725094917
That's realistic, though. That's basically what happened in modern times. Obviously there was never a utopia
But
> ww2 hits
> leaders go, ok maybe we need to do shit to help our citizens and workers so they don't turn to communism or fascism
> lots of policies limiting bankers
> more protections for workers
> limits on business
> lots of money into infrastructure
> Soviet union falls
> bankers break down barrier placed
> wealth disparities have now returned to essentially feudalistic times
Anonymous No.725095246 [Report]
>>725095204
>No no, someone else made the mistake, not me
I am convinced
Anonymous No.725095278 [Report] >>725095491
>>725095002
Yes, that's the point. Star Trek is utopian sci-fi. The Federation is basically humanity getting its shit together, solving (internal) politics and economics and creating a society where all citizens are free to pursue their greatest personal potential. Starfleet aren't a bunch of jarheads or conscripts, but a fleet of consummate professionals who are all there because they wanted to be there, because they believe in the noble goals of science and exploration, and they believe in the noble ideals of the Federation.

There's already a million fucking settings where the premise is "what if future society was just our own fucked up society, but the technology was better?" Star Trek is specifically the UTOPIAN sci-fi setting. If the Federation isn't utopian, it isn't fucking Star Trek.
Anonymous No.725095312 [Report] >>725095574
>>725089562 (OP)
I've never really understood trekkies, as in, caring deeply about the lore / universe of the show. I enjoy the series I've seen, but like, it feels so obviously episodic that while I can't bring myself to care about the greater universe since for the large majority of the episodes its basically whatever the writers just made up that week.
Anonymous No.725095432 [Report] >>725095707 >>725098762
Moya wishes to tell you how good it feels to be a part of a completely "untrooned" science fiction franchise.
Anonymous No.725095491 [Report] >>725095576 >>725095654 >>725095757
>>725095278
You have dune and that's feudalism in space, Warhammer, same thing.

Star wars which is also essentially the same thing?

I can only think of star gate and I don't even remember the plot of that. Other than an episode where some dude banged a computer simulation that he watched from being a toddler to an adult.

Im unsure what sci fi youre talking about
Anonymous No.725095574 [Report]
>>725095312
DS9 is more about "space politics" and deals with the same assortment of races and factions from week to week. At least after the first couple seasons.
Anonymous No.725095576 [Report]
>>725095491
good morning saars. his post was pretty easy to understand. do the needful and eat the cow poop saars
Anonymous No.725095654 [Report] >>725095709 >>725095757
>>725095491
Star Wars isn't feudalism in space. It's almost exactly "what if modern society, but better technology?"

So was Firefly. And the Expanse. In fact, if you put every modern sci-fi setting on a wall and threw a dart at it blindfolded, chances are it would hit this type of setting.
Anonymous No.725095707 [Report] >>725095835
>>725095432
Mr. Pilot ...
https://farscape.fandom.com/wiki/Out_of_Their_Minds
Anonymous No.725095709 [Report] >>725095779 >>725096076
>>725095654
Who are the Jedi in modern society
Anonymous No.725095720 [Report]
A new game should take place during the TNG-VOY years. I don't know what they could really do with it though, maybe have you be an ensign completing missions for rank, or just recreating the episodes from the series but you play them? What would be actually good
Anonymous No.725095757 [Report] >>725095871 >>725096249
>>725095654
>>725095491
Are you both retarded? Star Wars and Firefly are both neither space feudalism, nor "modern day but better technology" they are space westerns. They're "What if 1607, but laser pistols and space ships". This COULDN'T be any clearer.
Anonymous No.725095779 [Report] >>725096336
>>725095709
I don't know, who were the Jedi in feudal society?
Anonymous No.725095786 [Report] >>725095828
>>725095002
>I've never tried watching any of the new stuff.
Ay yo hwite devil, sittin' up in yo' fine chateau wit yo' matchin' appliances...
Anonymous No.725095828 [Report] >>725095980
>>725095786
What the fuck is this
God I hate woke shit
Anonymous No.725095835 [Report]
>>725095707
Anon, John didn't immediately start proclaiming he was finally "Herself" once he leapt into Aeryn's body, he just squeezed her tits.
Anonymous No.725095871 [Report] >>725096031 >>725096281 >>725096336
>>725095757
The Western IS modern society. The Wild West wasn't the fucking long ago. It's roughly thought to have taken place between 1865 to 1895 give or take. Society has not fundamentally changed since that time.
Anonymous No.725095980 [Report] >>725152445
>>725095828
Our future.
Anonymous No.725096031 [Report]
>>725095871
Anon, modern society is a bunch of economic zones dictated by rootless cosmopolitans and Jews, riding on memes established by civilization but not actually working to preserve it.

We don't live in the same world.
Anonymous No.725096035 [Report]
>>725094359
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1721530/The_Captain/
looks like this
Anonymous No.725096037 [Report]
I don't think Trek fans, at least fans of TNG or DS9, care about gaming.
The soul of the series is in the writing and the moral dilemmas/lessons, neither of which are gaming's forte outside of the witcher series.
Anonymous No.725096076 [Report] >>725097191 >>725097552
>>725095709
The UN
>keepers of the peace
>diplomats
>useless and ineffective
Anonymous No.725096104 [Report] >>725096143 >>725096201 >>725096589 >>725096839 >>725102839 >>725103268 >>725120902
>New trek is bad!
Lower Decks brought back Nick Locarno, your opinion is invalid.
Anonymous No.725096143 [Report] >>725096225 >>725114401 >>725120741
>>725096104
Fuck off back to /co/
Anonymous No.725096201 [Report]
>>725096104
>re-using some throwaway character
don't care, still not watching rick & morty
Anonymous No.725096225 [Report]
>>725096143
Make me
Anonymous No.725096249 [Report] >>725096337 >>725096506 >>725096624
>>725095757
I don't know anything about firefly. But the politics of star wars had feudal elements with the empire and some of the planets in the federation.

The big battles in the prequel and sequal trilogy don't feel western. But the original trilogy did have the western feel.
Anonymous No.725096271 [Report] >>725096481
>>725089562 (OP)
The cat species owe me SEX
Anonymous No.725096274 [Report]
>throw away character
Fake fans say the damnest things.
Anonymous No.725096281 [Report] >>725096709
>>725095871
The point is that living in "the wild west" was fundamentally different:
>Living in small backwater villages / outposts
>couple bigger cities
>everything is far as fuck apart
>between each little bip of civilization is a fuckton of nothing.
>weaponry is small and handheld
>Because of the spare civilization it's easy to be an outlaw
If you think nothing has changed much in these times, shoot up a bank in a small village, and then go hidin' 3 villages over and working as a farmhand there, see how that goes for you.
Also: it's always funny to me that the romanticized "wild west" period was just roughly 30 years tops. It always seems like something that was generational. You could be born into the start of it and by the time you were fully grown it was almost over, already on it's last breath.

Almost as funny as the fags who fly the confederate flag because they say it's "part of their heritage". Nigger what are you talking about "heritage" there weren't generations of your family in the confederacy. From secession of the first state to confederate surrender was literally 5 years. I have socks with more history than my ancestors spend in the confederacy, lmao.
Anonymous No.725096313 [Report]
fuck off retard. how many episodes was he in? was it 1 or 2?
Anonymous No.725096336 [Report] >>725096650
>>725095779
>Problems with my example? What about problems in other example?
Arthurian knights? Samurai, considering the actual inspirations for Star Wars?
Cowboys from westerns for the other inspirations? Aryan spacemen from midcentury science fiction if we want to stretch things because space wizards existed but were still relatively uncommon?
>>725095871
>1 1/2 centuries ago
Even if you somehow believe the South shall rise again any day now, we're not going to get sword wielding paladins roaming about upholding the moral good and the Republic any time soon, I'm pretty sure the Subway Samurai died ten years ago
Anonymous No.725096337 [Report]
>>725096249
>Prequel and Sequel
Okay fair, I was more thinking the original trilogy, that was for sure a space western. the Prequels started all this CGI nonsense, and started showing modern cities and whatnot, yeah I'm willing to admit that probably goes away from the space western (and also space vietnam) a bit (a lot).
Anonymous No.725096426 [Report] >>725096506
>Ackshually it's just this
was the space combat like a western too?
Anonymous No.725096440 [Report]
>Newfag doesn't know he would have been in 173 episodes if not for fuckery
LOL
Anonymous No.725096481 [Report] >>725096753 >>725097423
>>725096271
How fit are you?
Anonymous No.725096506 [Report]
>>725096249
>The big battles in the prequel
The inspirations changed over time, naturally, IIRC George wanted things to be more Shakespearian and like historical epics where you'd have big battles and warfare
There's also the WW2 inspirations, which are at least definitely what informed most of the space battles in the originals
>>725096426
The Tantive IV chase at the very beginning is basically a train robbery when you get down to it
Anonymous No.725096539 [Report]
>would have been
who cares
Anonymous No.725096589 [Report] >>725096781 >>725097018
>>725096104
If the Voyager game gets mods I kinda hope the first one is just a simple name swap that changes Paris to Locarno
Unless there's an ingame event that does the swap for us, that'd be pretty funny
Maybe you can keep the original Harry Kim but you lose Paris instead
Anonymous No.725096624 [Report] >>725097627 >>725098138
>>725096249
Star War's prequels were about the fragility of democracy, specficially the fall of the roman Republic, though Lucas managed to predict the current state of democracy in America to. Granted after Tuesday, we might be speed running to the rebellion phase instead of 20 years of waiting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSqjRgh2ZY
Anonymous No.725096650 [Report] >>725097484
>>725096336
They're obviously none of these things. They're space wizards. They are a little fantasy injected into an otherwise modern setting. You may as well argue that Harry Potter is somehow feudal because of castles and wizards.

The societies and systems of government shown in Star Wars were exactly modern day, but with better technology.

What's more, general lawlessness aside, the society that the Wild West arose in was not fundamentally different from today. In fact, the United States still operates on the exact same basic political structure now as it did back then. The Wild West may have ended, but the broader society that the Wild West existed in was not in any sense fundamentally different from modern society in the same way that, for instance, modern capitalist nation-states are fundamentally different from feudal societies.
Anonymous No.725096709 [Report]
>>725096281
I'm not saying that the modern day has some kind of literal Wild West. I'm saying that the broader society that the Wild West existed in was not fundamentally different from the modern day in the same way that, as I said, modern capitalist nation-states are fundamentally different from feudal societies.
Anonymous No.725096753 [Report]
>>725096481
Eggless HAG
https://files.catbox.moe/cugtq4.jpg
Anonymous No.725096781 [Report]
>>725096589
For all intents and purposes Locarno is Paris so that could work.
Heck, you could say Janeway goes to pick up Locanro from the penal colony like was originally written as part of some alternate timeline and even make a joke about writer royalties if you want to get 4th wall meta.
Anonymous No.725096814 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Her job is to breed with me on demand
Anonymous No.725096839 [Report] >>725096894
>>725096104
>Lower Decks brought back Nick Locarno
voyager already did that
Anonymous No.725096894 [Report]
>>725096839
>Voyager brought legally distinct Nick Locarno
Big difference.
Anonymous No.725096932 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Source?
Anonymous No.725096971 [Report] >>725098598
Anonymous No.725097018 [Report] >>725116323
>>725096589
But will there be a 2 pip Kim, Or one that's allowed to direct?
Anonymous No.725097132 [Report]
>Appeal the triviality
LOL, Newfag mad
Anonymous No.725097191 [Report] >>725097425
>>725096076

the UN could be fixed by maxing it its own sovereign entity instead of something that member states sign up for and send cash to, which the biggest wallets being criminally untouchable because UN funding depends on them.
Anonymous No.725097230 [Report]
>>725092841
it's been headed by alex kurtzman, as in one half of the infamous hollywood hack duo kurtzman and orci
Anonymous No.725097239 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
star trek is a nortubel tier series
Anonymous No.725097373 [Report] >>725116265
>>725089562 (OP)
We all play star trek online and that's it. We are there forever. Game too old for normies to come, age median in 50-60, lots of navy vets during the summer\winter events.
Anonymous No.725097423 [Report] >>725097503 >>725098350 >>725098558
>>725096481
I grew up with this. I can't fucking see that abomination.
Anonymous No.725097425 [Report]
>>725097191
The UN could be fixed by revoking the entire concept of permanent members who can veto anything they like with impunity just because they founded the organisation
Anonymous No.725097484 [Report] >>725097850
>>725096650
They're a little fantasy injected into archetypes that existed in history and historical fiction, the same inspirations George took directly from when injecting the Jedi into Star Wars as one of the defining features of the series, if not THE defining feature (for better or worse (usually worse))
The Samurai aren't the whole story of the Sengoku period but they're a core element
>not fundamentally different
You can say that about basically any important society at any point in history, almost all of them can fit into the same basket if the basket isn't better defined
We may as well be talking about Rome, that was only 1500 years ago but a lot of the fundamentals are still there, especially in Star Wars
Putting general lawlessness "aside" when it was one of the fundamental features of that particular period, in life and in fiction, is more of an ask than I think you're giving it credit for
Anonymous No.725097503 [Report] >>725097659
>>725097423
>I grew up with this
doubt.png
Anonymous No.725097517 [Report] >>725097634 >>725097672 >>725097772 >>725097789 >>725099007
>>725095002

the federation is fundamentally anti-progress. they don't allow any genetic modification at all because they think being a superhuman makes you evil on an intrinsic level (instead of just smug and naturally bullish like most vulcans are naturally).

like stated before, they have their own blackops group that's operated in the shadows since the founding and only officially denounced (but possibly still active) hundreds of years in. who knows how many squealers they might have killed since then.

the federation gimps its own technological progress (like disruptor weapons, time travel, and cloaking devices) because these technologies are "too dangerous", but they still experiment with them anyway.

your idea of starfleet is colored by the heroic main characters, you do not see it as space USA.
Anonymous No.725097552 [Report]
>>725096076
So eventually one of the kids they rescue will grow up to be a blue helmet that destroys them all?
Anonymous No.725097627 [Report] >>725097704
>>725096624
I think you should scuttle on back home to reddit, or your poli discord
Anonymous No.725097634 [Report] >>725097747 >>725099007
>>725097517
>they don't allow any genetic modification at all because they think being a superhuman makes you evil on an intrinsic level
Well, the eugenics war planted the seed of that, the Botany Bay incident was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Anonymous No.725097659 [Report]
>>725097503
Of course i wasn't there for the first run dumbass but when i was a kid i watched star trek tos and this because it went on tv in my country in those years. The series was 74 if i am not wrong i was born in 79 so i didn't miss that much.
Anonymous No.725097672 [Report] >>725097841
>>725097517
>Mum section 34.
They had to wait for Roddenberry to die before pulling that shit, and if Roddenberry did come back to life, he would immediately kill everyone involved in creating it. And then kill Ira Steven Behr & Robert Hewitt Wolfe again for going forward with the Starfleet Coup plot that he personally vetoed in season 1 of the TNG
Anonymous No.725097704 [Report] >>725097824
>>725097627
Why would I go to your home site?
Anonymous No.725097715 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
It is extremely difficult to make a good star trek game or even to tell a good star trek story today.
Anonymous No.725097716 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
The perfect figure and hips to waist ratio

Thick thighs > big boobs
Anonymous No.725097747 [Report] >>725097913 >>725099007
>>725097634

>create kid from scratch
>tell him he's the best, strongest, smartest human who ever lived
>tell him he's inherently superior
>kid grows up to believe exactly that
Anonymous No.725097772 [Report]
>>725097517
>they think being a superhuman makes you evil on an intrinsic level
genetically modified humans ruled several horrifically oppressive regimes as brutal despots that caused a series of wars before the big dubya-dubya three broke out
the caution surrounding genetic modification is very well founded in the star trek universe
Anonymous No.725097779 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
>Kurtzman-Trek games
I think I'd rather end myself, thanks.
Anonymous No.725097789 [Report]
>>725097517
>the federation gimps its own technological progress (like disruptor weapons, time travel, and cloaking devices) because these technologies are "too dangerous"
Time travel is a stupid thing to mess with on any level. Cloaking technology is banned by a treaty with the Romulan empire signed at the end of a war, maintained because keeping the Romulans neutral is better in the long run than fighting them and having ships that turn invisible. Disruptors are memes, the Federation phaser is the equal of any other energy/particle weapon in the two Quadrants.

The Federation endures because its technology is still more than enough for a fleet of research vessels to fight a war with people who only run dedicated warships.
Anonymous No.725097790 [Report] >>725144083
>>725090236
section 31 was kino af
Anonymous No.725097804 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Stellaris is heavily influenced by classic sci-fi franchises, if you’re a treki and don’t mind playing strategy games, you’d love it, some events are kind of crazy
Anonymous No.725097824 [Report] >>725097860
>>725097704
Everything about your post screams reddit politics, im sorry.
> rebellion cool
> american politics is like star wars
Anonymous No.725097841 [Report] >>725097902
>>725097672
Roddenberry gave the greenlight to much worse and obviously didn't think it all the way through when he was doing it
Anonymous No.725097846 [Report]
a game about being captain of a ship would be neat. of course it should be a proper ship, not a spaceship
Anonymous No.725097850 [Report]
>>725097484
Space samurai doesn't make a setting feudal.

>You can say that about basically any important society at any point in history
No you can't. You can actually divide the organization of society up pretty neatly, and these organizations are all fundamentally different from each other an far-reaching ways.

You have modern capitalist nation-states.
Before that, you had feudal society.
Before that, you had classical slave-societies based around city-states.
Before that you had more primitive tribal agricultural societies.
And before that you had tribal hunter-gatherers.
Anonymous No.725097860 [Report]
>>725097824
You sure like talking about your home site, you should go back to it.
Anonymous No.725097889 [Report] >>725115395 >>725116205
>>725090236
I only watched some episodes of the original series, but even I am recoiled by the modern stuff, it honestly feel like it’s made by women and old corporate men and nothing else
Anonymous No.725097902 [Report] >>725097953
>>725097841
If it fucked with his utopia vision, he would fight it tooth and nail.
Anonymous No.725097913 [Report] >>725098571 >>725099007
>>725097747
Where in that upbringing of telling them they're the best involves them growing up to be tyrants? Because that shit is part of the lore for other supermen, with Khan being considered the least worst among them, before they went off to space.
Anonymous No.725097953 [Report] >>725098052
>>725097902
Yeah, his argument was "uhm there's no lawyers in my utopia since there's no crime :)" and the writer rightfully called him an idiot. And then he stopped thinking about it.
Anonymous No.725098052 [Report]
>>725097953
Rick Berman, what the fuck are you doing on /v/?
Roddenberry specifically stopped the most egregious impulses of the writers. Like the starfleet coup plot which had to be retooled as the neural parasites.
Massive mistake they didn't use those for Picard Season 3 instead of mutant Changlings.
Anonymous No.725098138 [Report]
>>725096624
>specficially the fall of the roman Republic
No, it was literally an allegory for the contemporary Republican party, hence why he literally called a character "Newt ganRea"
Anonymous No.725098350 [Report] >>725098970 >>725108416 >>725108634 >>725122856
>>725097423
>Canonically Sulu fucked, married and impregnated this.
Anonymous No.725098425 [Report] >>725098839
>>725093150
I never finished this one point and click adventure game.
I used to love sierra games, but really that kind of design doesn't seem civilized these days. The game is already long because of the puzzles and I felt I was getting softlocked of the good endings because of the fuel thingies you can miss.
Anonymous No.725098460 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
made for BWC
Anonymous No.725098471 [Report] >>725115395 >>725116205
>>725090236
No different than any other IP. Just a propaganda tool.
Anonymous No.725098516 [Report] >>725121379 >>725159052 >>725159353 >>725159928
>>725090896
>Strange New Worlds is a really good rebound
I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZ4IoyztIw
Anonymous No.725098558 [Report] >>725098707
>>725097423
>Not wanting a bitter, hag cat.
Anonymous No.725098571 [Report] >>725099007
>>725097913

you're forgetting that ALL of the augments in human history grew up during the end times for earth, before the vulcans saved us from nuclear rubble. no one would be sane and healthy in that environment.
Anonymous No.725098598 [Report]
>>725096971
resurgence was a fucking good game.

Are there more games that (for the greater good) let me be... devilish?
I already beat ME as a Renegade.
Anonymous No.725098707 [Report] >>725098751
>>725098558
Hag ok, bitter no. I am tired of modern angry women. Mress had her moment but she was pleasurable to be around. Also comms > science fags, comms girls are always the best.
Anonymous No.725098724 [Report] >>725098786 >>725099094
>>725092931
I played the demo and it was solid. But they are not adding the original music or voiceacting, which is basically saying "modders please add them for us, they are too expensive."
I'll defintely play it once mods fix it.
Anonymous No.725098751 [Report] >>725098947
>>725098707
>He doesn't want a challenge
Booooo
Anonymous No.725098762 [Report]
>>725095432
YOUR SHOW MY SHOW YOUR SHOW MY SHOW
Anonymous No.725098786 [Report] >>725098908
>>725098724
I wouldn't mind AI voices.
Anonymous No.725098839 [Report]
>>725098425
your choices mattered and you couldn't handle it. I suggest telltale moviegames instead
Anonymous No.725098908 [Report] >>725099094
>>725098786
Getting the cast to voice over what is little more than a Star Trek licensed indie game is unreasonable, AI voices will do just fine.
Anonymous No.725098947 [Report]
>>725098751
Nope. I want to be happy.
Anonymous No.725098970 [Report] >>725099034 >>725099069 >>725099207 >>725101930 >>725102479
>>725098350
Are the cat people really so desirable?
Anonymous No.725099007 [Report] >>725099207 >>725099292
>>725098571
>>725097913
>>725097747
>>725097634
>>725097517
You're missing the big point that DS9 brought up. If people started genetically engineering their kids and then have them compete in society, then parents of other kids would feel pressured to genetic engineer their own kids to keep up creating a biological arms race.
This doesn't even get into the problems with such genetic incest because you're removing large portions of the genetic pool as well.
Anonymous No.725099034 [Report]
>>725098970
What a weird crossover episode.
Anonymous No.725099069 [Report]
>>725098970
Soft and warm fur, estrus, tailplay, purring, barbed tongue, claws and fangs, soft paws.
Plus star trek stuff.
Anonymous No.725099094 [Report] >>725099237
>>725092931
>>725098724
>>725098908
Disagree, it depends on the budget, but if you can get the actual actors, it would draw more people to play the game. This is just them being cheap if they were able to get the star trek license to make the game in the first place.
Anonymous No.725099129 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Only one I played was Star Trek Online.
Anonymous No.725099207 [Report] >>725099280 >>725099370
>>725099007

"oh god! selective market pressure! the horror! noooo i want to be a mediocre employee forever and i can't do that if everyone else is better than me!"

we can all be enhanced, trek has the technology. it's not dangerous to do and can be done to consenting adults. i do agree with you about the whole inbreeding though

>>725098970
cats are kinda freaky to me, i've always been into foxes/wolves, sometimes rats...
Anonymous No.725099237 [Report]
>>725099094
Someone explained on a previous thread that Star Trek rights are sold piecemeal. Buying the Voyager rights doesn't come with the music, for example. They don't have the rights to the likeness of the actors either, they are using 3D models that look like them but aren't scans.

Basically the devs only bought the right to use the name Voyager and Star Trek, none of the rest is included.
Anonymous No.725099248 [Report] >>725099280 >>725099286 >>725099319
Are the eugenic wars still canon on star trek or people forgot about those?
Anonymous No.725099280 [Report] >>725099413 >>725099476
>>725099207
You sound like an AI slop apologist, next your going to tell us to ignore the bubble.

>>725099248
Eugenic Wars are still canon and separate from World War III.
Anonymous No.725099286 [Report] >>725099476
>>725099248
Canon but WW3 surpassed it in importance due to being the catalyst that cause humanity to collectively change towards what would become the Federation
Anonymous No.725099290 [Report] >>725099351
>red shirt
fukken rip
Anonymous No.725099292 [Report]
>>725099007
it's really just that "eugenics" is a thought terminating cliche because of WW2 and you can't expect Star Trek to treat it intelligently
Anonymous No.725099319 [Report] >>725099476
>>725099248

in strange new worlds (the most recent trek series), the eugenics war is before WW3 but after the second civil american war, which is supposed to happen in the late 2020s.

they moved it all up from the 1990s to not confuse modern viewers as the show has been running for nearly a century now.
Anonymous No.725099351 [Report]
>>725099290
Are the female characters still red shirts if the captain bangs them?
Anonymous No.725099370 [Report] >>725099470
>>725099207
>we can all be enhanced, trek has the technology
And the fundamental point of Star Trek is that we don't NEED to be enhanced. People can be allowed to be themselves and find their own place in society and contribute in their own way.
Anonymous No.725099413 [Report] >>725099521
>>725099280

no one mentioned AI at all.

AI slop makes people mentally weaker, dependent, and less creative. it's also of objectively worse quality than anything a human makes.

there are no downsides to genetic augmentation on its own except for everyone being a bit more ambitious and perhaps more grumpy.

gene augmentation is coming soon IRL and i hope that trek hasn't scared people off from it
Anonymous No.725099470 [Report] >>725100391
>>725099370

so we're cool with developing new starship technologies, replicators, transporters, warp drives, etc but we choose to be luddites about this one very specific form of technology because we wouldn't be "true to ourselves"? this is luddite stuff
Anonymous No.725099476 [Report]
>>725099319
>>725099286
>>725099280
Great, wrath of khan is my favourite movie and i don't want that to be decontextualized.
Anonymous No.725099521 [Report]
>>725099413
>It's coming
And then you're just inviting a new type of class war since only the rich are going to get access to it and further stack the deck against everyone else.
Anonymous No.725099535 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
>image

Is that the legendary Mary Sue?
Anonymous No.725099545 [Report]
>>725090430
>>725090523
>reunion
Nigger who cares about that, the big problem was fucking up the New Republic and New Jedi Order.
Leia and Han did absolutely nothing interesting in either of the canons.
Hell, they didnt even have anything to do in ROTJ after the opening.
Anonymous No.725099574 [Report]
>watched tonnes of Star Trek when I was younger
>can barely watch it these days, just feels like a waste of time watching 140+ episodes with not much reward when so much is filler
I still love Star Trek, DS9 was my favourite, and I liked Voyager even though everyone hated it.
Anonymous No.725100391 [Report]
>>725099470
It's the same type of reasoning as non-interference with less developed species.
It would be trivially easy to uplift anyone with all those technologies, but being of the mindset to actually go around and do that is not necessarily a good thing.
Usually it's the effects of doing it that is the focus, but there is also what it means to think yourself important enough to go around deciding for other people, for example.
Defining your culture so that there is a want or a need for always being a superior human opens the door to all sorts of things, even if there might be upsides or we can't directly agree on the downsides.
It is not irrational to weigh the options and come out on the side of having restraint, even if that means not having the upsides either.
Anonymous No.725101669 [Report] >>725101726
>>725090523
You can't give chuds what they want or expect. You have to enjoy your pink haired girlboss military commander that refuses to explain her orders to stupid men.
Anonymous No.725101694 [Report]
>>725092931
It's a mobile game you pay full price for and hopefully won't ask for more than that.
Anonymous No.725101726 [Report]
>>725101669
I still find it embarassing how you Americans are such NPCs you just instantly accept Twitter Newspeak like "chud" or "whataboutism" into your everyday language.
Anonymous No.725101827 [Report]
>>725092841
it became more "Star Wars" than "Star Trek" and barely ever tries to ponder on the philosophical questions old shows used to be built upon.
Anonymous No.725101930 [Report] >>725102167
>>725098970
Will Kirk survive fucking Callie though?
Anonymous No.725102152 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
tell me, does she have a lot of sex later on with her human boyfriend?
Anonymous No.725102167 [Report]
>>725101930
Anonymous No.725102479 [Report] >>725103340 >>725103637
>>725098970
Its not the desireablility thats in question here - its human curiosity.
The moment humanoid ayys would appear IRL - someone will try to fuck them, and if they integrate into society it would be no different than fucking your neighbour girl, just with the girl being an alien human/cat/pile of goo/energy particle.
Anonymous No.725102568 [Report] >>725107191
>>725095216
They didn't even bother to wait until the USSR fell, you can trace a big chunk of the worst of today's problems directly back to Raegan and Thatcher in the 80s.
Anonymous No.725102839 [Report] >>725103921 >>725104501 >>725104571 >>725112206 >>725118746 >>725119025
>>725096104
I know a lot of people shat on Lower Decks but to me it somewhat ironically felt like the only modern Star Trek show made by people who actually like Star Trek.
Anonymous No.725103070 [Report]
im rewatching voyager and i want to hate fuck that spoonhead seska so bad
Anonymous No.725103268 [Report] >>725104154
>>725096104
>Trek and Morty brought back a character that was already brought back by a show with better pacing and therefore its not shit anymore
Go fuck yourself and take your lower dicks with you. Im still not forgiving them the absolute dogshit voice direction they gave Armin as Quark in the DS9 episode.
Anonymous No.725103340 [Report]
>>725102479
>pile of goo
I fucking wish...
Anonymous No.725103538 [Report]
There should definitely be more games with space babes. That's all.
Anonymous No.725103637 [Report]
>>725102479
>and ayylmaoing
i fucking loled, thanks anon
Anonymous No.725103921 [Report] >>725104571
>>725102839
I wasn’t a fan of Star Trek before watching Lower Decks, and your post is exactly how I felt watching the series. If people who loves a franchise so much made it, then perhaps the other live action series are worth it. I’m more of a Star Wars, big lasers big fights guy, but I can appreciate a lot of Star Trek now.
Anonymous No.725103981 [Report]
Don't ask questions, just get excited about new product:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/star-trek
Anonymous No.725104130 [Report] >>725104325
>>725089562 (OP)
Why would a Star Trek game ever be fun?
It's not Star Wars. There's no pitched dogfights or sword battles or magic enemy tossing. It's not that kind of property.

Star Trek is a massive city-ship full of turbo-nerds solving problems with complicated math and strong interpersonal skills.

That's not a good basis for a game
Anonymous No.725104154 [Report] >>725104325 >>725110923
>>725103268
>the absolute dogshit voice direction they gave Armin
On the one hand, Armin's a consumate professional who loved the character and went above and beyond to sell his performance on the show. On the other, he's also got plenty of experience in VA work for games and cartoons. So was it really just bad direction on their part or did he just not care enough?
Anonymous No.725104158 [Report] >>725105465
>>725089562 (OP)
Mass Effect takes more from Babylon 5, I think
Anonymous No.725104215 [Report]
>>725090236
Trek was truly good for about four seasons of TNG
Everything else is a god awful soap opera for retards
Anonymous No.725104275 [Report] >>725133513
>>725090467
>Lower decks
Reddit is over there, I'm sure they love your quirk chungus show
Anonymous No.725104306 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Star Trek hasn't had a good show in twenty years, and that's if you're being generous with the definition of "good." It's a dead franchise and every attempt to resurrect it has made it worse.
Anonymous No.725104325 [Report] >>725104381 >>725104804
>>725104130
Hear me out:
Barotrauma, but its a Federation ship in a voyager-like situation.
>>725104154
Armin went as far as to also find his old prosthetic teeth just so he could be as authentic, so it was 100% the direction being fucking retarded if they managed him to sound like a stand in dub.
Anonymous No.725104357 [Report]
i enjoyed the Voyager demo quite a lot
Anonymous No.725104381 [Report]
>>725104325
>as authentic
*as possible
Anonymous No.725104417 [Report]
>>725095216
fuck off commie
Anonymous No.725104501 [Report] >>725104640
>>725102839
First two seasons were pretty fucking dog shit, and even than I wouldn't say it got "good" until the last season. It's a shame, really, since with the cartoon medium they could go pretty nuts with stories/aliens/anything but at best it was just a millennial fanfic (but I will give them that the first holodeck movie episode was 10/10).
Anonymous No.725104571 [Report] >>725114449 >>725132620
>>725103921
>>725102839
Lower Decks was made by a fat alcoholic faggot that does indeed love Star Trek - all the worst parts of it.
McMahan is the kind of obnoxious cunt that hates all the diplomacy and science and cooperation in TNG, he's there for the bad soap opera elements. He's there to imagine he's on the ship and is besties with all the characters who are now all gayer and hornier for some reason.
The "book" that got him hired was unironically just a bunch of tweets of single sentence fake episode synopses like "Data and Geordi realize they're having sex with the same hologram"
Anonymous No.725104640 [Report] >>725105190
>>725104501
>The first holodeck movie
...the one where Mariner is an utter fucking psychopath the entire time but it's ok because a literal copy of her tells the audience that ackshually she's a good girl who dindu nuffin?

Find some standards
Anonymous No.725104804 [Report]
>>725104325
>Barotrauma but...
What does making that game Trek flavored add?

Trek just isn't a universe that makes for an exciting game. Kurtzman trying to make it look like one and trying to make it "more exciting" is exactly why it sucks ass now.

Stop trying to make Hercule Poirot into a superhero action movie
Anonymous No.725105078 [Report] >>725105129 >>725128692 >>725139851
It's honestly kind of sad how desperate for (You)s people become, to the point they try to insist Star Trek is incapable of having action games despite all the action games they've made of it.

Utterly fucking baffling behaviour.
Anonymous No.725105129 [Report]
>>725105078
Except they're all dog shit because the Trek world isn't built for quick action.
Anonymous No.725105190 [Report] >>725105256
>>725104640
For me, it was a fun episode on basis that 1st it embraced the idea that holodeck is a ultimate "make believe" machine, which includes some people going nuts with it (whenever that is to go full murderhobo and bash peoples skulls in with metal baseball bat or turn entirety of female staff into your personal harem for an hour), 2nd it worked as a -parody of all the nu-terk films, even with the replication of the shitty cgi godray flare reflection of the ship hull. And 3rd, as a shipfag, it has givn a glimmer of hope that maybe Mariner x Brad could happen (along with FINALLY moving on with the plot of him discovering that she is captains daughter), sadly the last one never happen so that another thing to thrown into a pile of disappointment the LD has brought up.
Anonymous No.725105256 [Report]
>>725105190
>I liked it because I, too, fantasize about a perfectly real simulation where I can rape and murder
Cool, great, do me a favor and stay far the fuck away from me
Anonymous No.725105374 [Report] >>725105581
I'm enjoying TOS. I like how it isn't a bunch of gay bullshit
Anonymous No.725105465 [Report]
>>725104158
I thought it was Farscape.
Anonymous No.725105581 [Report] >>725106113
>>725105374
TOS is literally the reason gay slashfic ever got started. It was the catalyst for shipping and gay fanfiction. KirkxSpock is the defining homoerotic pairing of a generation.
Anonymous No.725106113 [Report] >>725106146
>>725105581
if true I expect that's just because nerds are gross
>KirkxSpock is the defining homoerotic pairing of a generation
no that's you and you're mum
Anonymous No.725106146 [Report] >>725106527
>>725106113
>Nerds
Ask your grandma how she feels about Spock
Anonymous No.725106527 [Report]
>>725106146
She's dead, Jim.
Anonymous No.725107129 [Report] >>725133513
>>725090467
>Lower decks is the closest thing to trek
Anonymous No.725107141 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
It's over bro, I new that watching Voyager on television a million years ago
Anonymous No.725107191 [Report]
>>725095216
>>725102568
You lefties are more delusional than Christians and you wonder why your favorite series are garbage. It's because they're made by retards like you.
Anonymous No.725107436 [Report] >>725107578
>>725092841
>old series
>writer challenge; Humanity has perfected most aspects of their life, racism, sexism and most forms of inequality are gone
>if you want to present those you need to be creative in how it appears
>new series
>actually inequality sexism and racism are very present in human society and here’s 15 minutes of Picard being talked down to by a homeless black woman
I think the part that truly got me was when they went back in time to comment on 2020 Earth since the writers are so incompetent they couldn’t just recreate that on some alien world, Picard basically gets a tour of earth “oh man this is terrible how could this happen during that time? Why couldn’t they stop it” in the most embarrassing angle of outright completely abandoning Star Trek writing
Anonymous No.725107578 [Report] >>725107640 >>725107915 >>725108487 >>725108523 >>725113013 >>725128594
>>725107436
>gets a tour of earth “oh man this is terrible how could this happen during that time? Why couldn’t they stop it”
Step 1 to bitching about NuTrek and Wokeism: Show you've never actually watched the original series
Anonymous No.725107640 [Report]
>>725107578
So thats the mythical Tarantino Star Trek movie...
Anonymous No.725107915 [Report]
>>725107578
They went back in time 500 years to see that shit in oldTrek, nuTrek says Federation society 500 years in the future isn't a utopia and is actually still terrible, and then emphasize its terrible because old white men like Picard are in charge.
Anonymous No.725108192 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Why would they want to end up like star wars?
Anonymous No.725108416 [Report]
>>725098350
>Lets just fool around for a bit!
>Leglocked, no condom, lights off, under the covers, marriage, 12 kids

Beware the Caitian and their tricks!
Anonymous No.725108487 [Report]
>>725107578
>Travel back to 21st century California
>It's a shithole
>"How did this happen?"
Is it really woke, anon?
Anonymous No.725108523 [Report] >>725112802 >>725113830
>>725107578
Just watched that and I'm surprised they wasted TWO episodes on that shlock.
Anonymous No.725108634 [Report]
>>725098350
...She does sort of look like a cat.
Anonymous No.725110923 [Report]
>>725104154
It's just him talking out of his ass, given Armin had some pretty stand out scenes like his scorn of the Karemma, which was just cover to keep them from finding out he stole technology from them.
Anonymous No.725111020 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Artist in the OP is Simmsy btw
Anonymous No.725112206 [Report] >>725112423 >>725120145
>>725102839
It's mainly people being butthurt over the art style, it's new or still bitter Mariner x Boimler didn't happen. The fact they made references to TAS of all things shows the writers were fans.
Though I'm not going to defend the first season since it suffers the same problems as every other series's first season and Mariner was a indefensible Mary Sue, but they hard course correct in season 2.
Anonymous No.725112423 [Report] >>725120414
>>725112206
Though you have to wait until season 4 for best girl to be given a main character chair.
Anonymous No.725112802 [Report] >>725113208
>>725108523
>shlock
tasteless retard
Anonymous No.725113013 [Report]
>>725107578
you really think Picard came to 1/10th of the way the old show presented it you’re delusional
Anonymous No.725113208 [Report] >>725113837
>>725112802
those kinds of episodes are only fun if there is some external force trying to mess with history
there was NOTHING in there that made things interesting and/or Star Trek
Anonymous No.725113730 [Report] >>725113928 >>725113962 >>725114031 >>725114764 >>725115585 >>725142181 >>725144658
You watched DS9? Good, that was the appetizer. Now onto the main course: Babylon 5.
Anonymous No.725113830 [Report]
>>725108523
>bell riot episode
>shlock
it was pure fucking TV kino, fuck you
Anonymous No.725113837 [Report] >>725114705
>>725113208
Strongly disagree. It and the rest of DS9 was kino as usual.
Anonymous No.725113928 [Report] >>725114031 >>725114207
>>725113730
I fucking hate B5fags. You people do nothing but leech DS9 discussions because you know no one actually wants to talk about Babylon 5.
Nearly everyone in that photo is dead btw
Anonymous No.725113962 [Report]
>>725113730
>White Star is actually the J*W Star driven by a {Merchant}
No
Anonymous No.725114031 [Report]
>>725113730
>>725113928
What about Farscape?
Anonymous No.725114102 [Report]
The cute alien girl in the OP only has one image. How disheartening.
Anonymous No.725114207 [Report] >>725114646
>>725113928
I want to talk about babylon 5
Anonymous No.725114239 [Report] >>725114961
>>725089562 (OP)
As a star trek fan: I don't even know if a good Star Trek game is possible. After all, Star Trek is about being a woke AF, anti-capitalist gay space commie, with violence being the last resort after group hugs couldn't solve the conflict. To make a TRUE Star Trek game, you'd need that. And how do you even put that in a game? I feel like the closest you can get is some sort of Star Trek skinned Disco Elysium. A Holodeck Elysium if you will.
Anonymous No.725114331 [Report]
need andorian wife
Anonymous No.725114401 [Report]
>>725096143
Anonymous No.725114435 [Report]
Never really got into any of these shows but I love the aesthetics of games that are inspired by them. Freespace 1 + 2, Planetside (1), The X series, EVE etc.

Where do I even begin? Any good modern shows that capture this feeling or is it all wokeslop and my best bet is to get into the shows in this thread.
Anonymous No.725114449 [Report] >>725116210
>>725104571
>McMahan is the kind of obnoxious cunt that hates all the diplomacy and science and cooperation in TNG
you have massive rose colored goggles. even tng in its average episode is more "q does something wacky or "riker fucks around in vr." it isn't people holding diplomatic meetings all day every day. there are diplomacy and science storylines in lower decks, but they serve the same purpose they did in tng: to develop the characters by paralleling their human(ish) experience in science fiction. picard going on a time travelling adventure is not purely "wow cool time travel," it's "how does our past influence us, and can we change our nature?" lower decks storylines are written like that. it's also equally as goofy as tng. the main differences are that it's animated, and the scenes move at a faster pace. i'm sorry those things put you off of it.
Anonymous No.725114646 [Report]
>>725114207
We're going to overthrow the Earth government.
Anonymous No.725114705 [Report] >>725114853
>>725113837
I think DS9 is great but that double episode didn't do it for me
it did made me chuckle when they went WHAT YEAR IS THIS??
...2024
Anonymous No.725114764 [Report] >>725115182 >>725115432
>>725113730
First season sucked. Last season sucked. Spin-off sucked. Movies sucked too. Handful of decent seasons that are just Space LOTR with some good casting.
Anonymous No.725114853 [Report] >>725115003
>>725114705
It is a factually accurate portrayal of modern San Francisco.
Anonymous No.725114961 [Report] >>725117218
>>725114239
DE could be a good match for gameplay. You could have the odd phaser combat section with Fallout 2 style resolution without breaking the mostly-noncombat theme.
VNs would be good too, combat in Trek is an important part of the setting but it's fairly non-interactive (the ship is actually doing most of the fighting, your tactical officer is mostly overseeing it) so not too unlike an action-heavy VN like FSN.
Anonymous No.725115003 [Report]
>>725114853
>gimme
>dim
>ghost
what terms are actually being used kek
Anonymous No.725115182 [Report]
>>725114764
>just Space LOTR
stop being a cunt
Anonymous No.725115395 [Report] >>725116205 >>725116451 >>725123446 >>725131854
>>725097889
>>725098471
Trek was always a leftie Hugbox, and would have been even moreso if the studio hadn't pushed hard against how radical Roddenberry wanted to be. Problem is that if you watch the original series now, without a historical guide at the same time, nothing registers as particularly woke, because a lot of shit that was radical in the 60s, is not remotely radical today.
Prime Example: The miniskirts: in the 60s, having women in Miniskirts was a bold, feminist move. Womens skirts had to be long and conservative. Miniskirts were connected to womens sexual liberation, and a spit in the face of conservatives.it was a statement piece on women having autonomy over their appearance, instead of dressing how their fathers demanded it.
Today, not only does it not read as radical, it seems kinda sexist to have all the women wear short skirts.
Roddenberry also wanted the bridge crew to be 50/50 male and female, but the studio balked at that. And on that note, having a black female officer, was also pretty damn radical.
They also establish that racism is a thing of the past, the show was opposed to militarism in general, and spoke ill of war and combat, which was pretty radical during the cold war, their society had abandoned money alltogether, fuck, Gene roddenberry even wanted gayness on the show but that was an ABSOLUTE no-go for the studio. Fun fact: TNG had riker want to bang an androgynous alien who wants to express a specific gender which is illegal, and the whole episode is an allegory for conversion therapy. Apparently Roddenberry wanted to do something like that during the original show, but was again blocked by NBC.
Star Trek being a soap box for leftie authors is not a new thing, it was like that from the very beginning.
Anonymous No.725115432 [Report]
>>725114764
Oh I see and (nu)Star Trek is Rings of Power.
Anonymous No.725115585 [Report] >>725115724 >>725116305 >>725116783
>>725113730
No.
B5 tried to do everything, throw everything on the wall and see what sticked. This is why even a cat knows what star trek is and nobody ever give a single shit about poor man star trek.
Anonymous No.725115724 [Report] >>725115893
>>725115585
shit taste, gay
Anonymous No.725115887 [Report] >>725116052
Star Trek was always woke shit at it's core. Gene Roddenberry was a pill-popping alcoholic with an unhealthy admiration for Chinese Communism who originally wanted all the actors on the show to speak Esperanto to show some idealized globohomo future when everyone was a mixed-race gay atheist. The show was only watchable because of Network interference and focusing on more universal themes. Even TNG only got good after he died and other writers moved away from his vision.
Anonymous No.725115893 [Report] >>725115959
>>725115724
But i still sayeth the truth. B5 hadn't a single original idea. I saw crossovers fanfic of star trek with more consistency and creativity.
I would rather watch the entirety of caprica than a single episode of b5.
Anonymous No.725115959 [Report]
>>725115893
enjoy your no tv shows faggot
Anonymous No.725116048 [Report] >>725116256 >>725116738 >>725118113
>>725090236
Didn’t Seth MacFarlane make his own Star Trek after seeing how bleak the IP was getting? From what I remember he pitched it as a comedy then as soon as the executives fucked off he immediately hired TNG writers and toned down the comedy
Anonymous No.725116052 [Report]
>>725115887
Of course conservatives would be jerking off section 31
Anonymous No.725116205 [Report] >>725125451 >>725127906
>>725115395
>>725097889
>>725098471
Every now and then you will have somebody claim that Star Trek being used for leftie propaganda is something that is exclusive to nu trek.
But when Nichelle Nichols was at an event, she was requested to meet "a fan" who turned out to be Marthin Luther King Jr. They talked, and Nichelle who at the time saw being Uhura as just a small role in a random show, told King that she considered leaving to take a broadway role, and King told her: "You cannot... for the first time on television, we will be seen as we should be seen every day, as intelligent, quality, beautiful, people who can sing dance, and can go to space, who are professors, lawyers. If you leave, that door can be closed because your role is not a black role, and is not a female role; he can fill it with anybody, even an alien.".
Anonymous No.725116210 [Report]
>>725114449
Not all soap opera stuff sucks
The soap opera stuff McMahan likes sucks
Anonymous No.725116256 [Report]
>>725116048
yes. I found it pretty gay but just about watchable
Anonymous No.725116265 [Report] >>725116429 >>725121324
>>725089562 (OP)
STO, bro. Tholian Tarantula for life. Ignore my Meshweavers, they refuse to be photogenic.
>>725097373
I love that the conversations I have in zone chat are the same I'd have had 20 years ago. No unc, 67, buckle some more, digedigago, or other brainrot spam. Just old dudes chatting about old dude shit.
Anonymous No.725116305 [Report] >>725116526
>>725115585
>that it is popular means it's good
Anonymous No.725116323 [Report] >>725116584
>>725097018
Sometimes I see people acting like they wronged Garrett Wang by not letting Kim do more but his performance in that episode where he and Chakotay make it back home and he's all edgy and brooding is so bad it just convinced me he should have stayed out of focus.
Anonymous No.725116429 [Report] >>725116901
>>725116265
Eh i got my shipfu along time ago and i stuck to her. I have also other 10 characters but this is it for me.
Anonymous No.725116451 [Report] >>725117779
>>725115395
roddenberry was the progressive ideas man that everyone else had to rein in. it's great that his naval experience inspired him to realize this bold vision of a future without borders. his storytelling was not great though, and he fought with the writers every step of the way. there's a reason mid-to-late TNG is seen as the good part of the franchise.
the gay luxury space communism was something he came up with way later btw because he was fucking a communist. they were using money in TOS and some of the movies. the TNG writers were pissed about it, but they were also dealing with his insistence that "in the future, there's no interpersonal conflict" which is obviously poison to a narrative.
Anonymous No.725116478 [Report]
Star Trek has always been a gay leftist faggot series with a handful of good episodes like "Balance of Terror".
Anonymous No.725116495 [Report] >>725116694 >>725118185
>>725090236
It is, but I think the franchise just has to die. The world has changed since its inception, we need new works, not rehashes of something that was once good.
Anonymous No.725116526 [Report]
>>725116305
No, it was popular because it was good, considering ds9 was the most underrated and unliked series and almost nobody liked it back in the days before the shtick of the slice of life station grew.
Anonymous No.725116584 [Report]
>>725116323
The issue was Wang was shit talking the show early on to the point the writers were just planning to kill him off, but then he was put on People's 100 sexist men alive list so it gave the writers cold feet, and instead they just did stuff like never promote him, or let Wang direct an episode even though he went through the same training as every other actor who wanted to direct.
Anonymous No.725116694 [Report]
>>725116495
Yeah but then they'd have to make something new and interesting, and that's the last thing that'll happen.
Anonymous No.725116731 [Report] >>725117472 >>725118428
>>725089806
>What I would give for a Star Trek RPG where you play as a crew member through a 5 year mission and have to survive each anomoly and diplomatic incident using different skills in engineering, science, diplomacy
I'd love one where you start by making your character at Starfleet Academy, then have the intro chapter as an ensign on a top of the line ship, make career choices that have time skips as you rise in rank, and then what choices you made determines the ship you captain for the rest of the game, with taking all the hardest choices and doing the most self-sacrificing landing you on a decrepit Miranda-class that is in a state of constant disrepair.
Anonymous No.725116738 [Report]
>>725116048
the orville is a thinly veiled TNG fan fiction, just like a lot of macfarlane's animation. it's much better than anything CBS is doing.
some of the stories are interesting. they go to planet reddit, there's a tranny planet and a horoscope planet. my favorite arc was the one where scott grimes gets addicted to his AI gf. the writing is similar to TNG but with modern politics.
Anonymous No.725116783 [Report]
>>725115585
>B5 tried to do everything, throw everything on the wall and see what sticked.
You know what the difference between B5 and DS9 is? B5 had the writer and bible, DS9 had only his bible.
Anonymous No.725116808 [Report] >>725117015
>>725092931
The perfect Star Trek game already exists under a different name
Star Trek is dead and we’ll never get a kino show again.
Anonymous No.725116901 [Report]
>>725116429
Same with the Tarantula for me. I'll switch temporarily to unlock new consoles, but I always come back. Can't beat the spinny bit.
Anonymous No.725117015 [Report] >>725143958
>>725116808
>perfect Star Trek game
>can't impregnate cat women
Almost perfect.
Anonymous No.725117218 [Report] >>725117654 >>725117897
>>725114961
>VNs
I dunno, I could never get into VNs, I always end up thinking: "I could be reading an actual book instead".
As for combat, while everyone is whining about wokeness, what breaks my heart in nu-trek is how combat and violence focused it is. How many problems has Burnham solved by punching or shooting at them? What was the solution to deal with the klingons? Plant a bomb and threaten to blow up their fucking planet.
Remember in ToS, in The Corbomite manouver, the enterprise is is captured by a ship so extremely powerful, that they have no chance to win against it, or even meaningfully slow them down, and the aliens are telling our heroes that they have some limited amount of time and then they will be killed, no matter what, and that they are basically fucked.
After some sci-fi shenanigans, the Enterprise manages to break free of the tractor beam, and starts to escape. But as they escape, they realize in their escape attempt they actually damaged the enemy ship and left it helpless and stranded, alone in space. So what do they do? They decide: "Fuck, we can't leave someone to certain death in space! We gotta turn around and help them as best we can!" They fucking decided that it's MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE to let strangers who WHERE GOING TO MERCILESSLY KILL THEM to die helplessly out in space and they started a rescue mission.
Nu-trek would never. Nu trek would yell: "They're weakened! We can kill them now!" and blast them to hell with 200 photon torpedos.
Anonymous No.725117457 [Report]
Star Trek frankly needs what Star Wars did with Visions but on a more permanent basis. Let there be more original stories but disconnected from the broader canon that can focus on less touched parts of the universe. Maybe use that to test the waters for a more dedicated series.
Anonymous No.725117472 [Report] >>725118252 >>725118428 >>725118586
>>725089806
>>725116731
Everyone wants to serve on a Ship of the Line like the Enterprise, I wouldn't mind a game where you serve or captain an underappreciated work horse of the Federation like a California class where you keep the logistics of the Federation running smoothly.
Anonymous No.725117654 [Report] >>725118207
>>725117218
I like when she was in the future, got high, broke some laws and then vaporized like 30 people with zero remorse.
Anonymous No.725117779 [Report] >>725117942
>>725116451
>they were using money in TOS and some of the movies.
Oh, it was inconsistent. I believe it was first mentioned in Star Trek IV, that there was no money in the future, while you are of course correct that there was mention of "credits" and paying and the like in ToS. It was really hammered home in TNG, with Picard saying they have eliminated posessions entirely, but then I'm pretty sure even within TNG there's clear references to federation money, so fuck knows.
My main point is more that Roddenberry always did woke propaganda, less that he was always consistent.
I mean I did mention that he wanted 50/50 representation in gender, but there's also an episode where a woman poses as him, and she's found out because women are just so whacky and emotional and irrational! Uuuh! Gender!
Anonymous No.725117897 [Report] >>725118651 >>725128532 >>725141203
>>725117218
It's every facet. Every single thing that could be wrong or warped is wrong or warped, and usually both. That SNW episode where they spit on Roddenberry is quintessential proof that the current showrunners should be public lashed, tarred, and feathered.
My biggest gripe is how no one acts like a Starfleet officer. Every episode has at least one (usually multiple) person breaking down into hysterics and sobbing. Could you imagine that shit happening in front of Picard? He'd react with pure disgust and immediately relieve the person of duty and send them to see Troi. In this new shit they act like having regular mental breakdowns is some kind of strength or virtue.
Anonymous No.725117925 [Report] >>725118073 >>725119185 >>725142310 >>725142480 >>725143810
Anonymous No.725117942 [Report]
>>725117779
>My main point is more that Roddenberry always did woke propaganda, less that he was always consistent.
i agree. uhura was the woke character of the time, and i'm not criticizing him for that. i just think the people around him were necessary for vetoing his worst impulses.
Anonymous No.725118073 [Report] >>725118574
>>725117925
Look at Janeway's expression. She knows she got a shit deal.
Anonymous No.725118113 [Report]
>>725116048
Seth loves Trek at this point asking him to do an actual Trek project would be an improvement.
Anonymous No.725118185 [Report]
>>725116495
This.
Star Trek was made for a different, more optimistic time.
Anonymous No.725118207 [Report]
>>725117654
That was actually where I stopped watching the series originally, lmao. She just BLASTS dozens of people away, with ZERO remorse. She's a fucking STAR FLEET OFFICER!! Yeah okay she was drugged, but it's not like she showed even a HINT of concern afterwards. And speaking of
>nu trek could never
Remember the start of the Picard show? Starfleet decides to let everyone on the core worlds of the romulan empire die, as the Romulan sun is about to go supernova (nevermind that this process would not be a "well this is gonna happen in the next 3 years" process), wiping out BILLIONS of innocent civilians. And WHY does starfleet decide it is fine to let them die? Because at some point in the past, NOT NOW, they used to be at war.
I was PLATINUM FUCKING MAD watching that shit. I get that they were trying to comment on modern uncaring politicians, and fox news and all that shit, but IT'S STILL FUCKING STARFLEET. The entire population would be outraged, no matter how evil the Romulans used to be.
Anonymous No.725118252 [Report] >>725119980 >>725148586
>>725117472
In general, LD was pretty awful, but I'll give them credit for the Texas-class fight, and the betrayal scene. The "I will burn your heart in a fire." line was executed perfectly. It's a shame the rest of the show was nothing like that.
Anonymous No.725118428 [Report]
>>725117472
>>725116731
ships with the best adventuring potential are long range and not too powerful in combat. if it's too strong, you have little reason to attempt shenanigans
Anonymous No.725118574 [Report]
>>725118073
For bridge, maybe, but her engineering team is OP as hell.
Anonymous No.725118586 [Report]
>>725117472
I want to go on a titan, the first approach to a real warship from the feds should be interesting.
Anonymous No.725118651 [Report] >>725119093 >>725149772
>>725117897
I'd be fine with an officer breaking down and sobbing because the emotions are just too much. You could write a good story around that, actually.
But you know what the kicker is with that for me? It's usually Burnham. And they introduce her as: "This is Burnham. She grew up on Vulcan, so she's stoic as fuck, trained all her emotions off, she might be human, but trust me, she's essentially vulcan" She even does the thing where if you ask her for the time, she gives it down to the milisecond, a typical vulcan trait.
And then she has a fucking melty in the first episode. And after that she CONSTANTLY fucking cries. And yet SOMEHOW, characters in the show are still refering to her as the cold, stoic, emotionless type? She's shown more emotion than literally anyone else on the fucking god damn show! Why is the show acting like she's emotionless when she demonstrates every episode that she isn't???
And I get what they were going for, Spock showing emotion was extremely powerful. But they didn't have him do it right the fuck away. They build up to it.
Anonymous No.725118746 [Report] >>725119025
>>725102839
>made by people who actually like Star Trek
you dont know what real star trek is
Anonymous No.725119025 [Report]
>>725102839
>>725118746
nta, but I get what he means. But I also get what you mean. The stories and such by themselves are extremely trek, and there's a lot to like there. But then it also suffers from being a modern comedy cartoon, which means: our star fleet personell does not at all act like star fleet personell. Like when they "prank call" the skin of evil. Like it's Bart prank calling moe. Yeah, I get the joke, and also "Hey! I recognize that from a classic TNG episode! Poggers! Bazinga!" but man. If you are enlisted that's just something that would result in a court martial.
Anonymous No.725119093 [Report] >>725120238
>>725118651
That's very true, and also when Spock did it, it was crazy rare. Even then, it was usually very subtle, like a slight grin. In SNW they basically made him Burnham 2.0 with an additional maximized quirkiness meter. It's baffling to me that people can watch these shows and actually believe they're getting the real trek experience.
Anonymous No.725119185 [Report]
>>725117925
>Bones, Worf & Tuvok walk into Quark's.....
Anonymous No.725119287 [Report]
>>725090236
Next gen was one of the greatest shows to showcase realistic leadership.

I cannot believe how fucked the franchise was the moment JJ laid his hands on it.
Anonymous No.725119386 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
What do you mean, I already played FTL. What else do you need?
Anonymous No.725119886 [Report] >>725141968
>>725090236
As a Stargate fanboy
I'm happy
They tried to ruin it
nobody watched it
Anonymous No.725119980 [Report] >>725120118 >>725120131 >>725120452
>>725118252
>California class
>Totally disrespected support ship of the federation.
>Texas class
>AI controlled ship that is designed specifically to put manned starships out of work
Also credit to Carlos Alazraqui's voice acting and Lower Decks knowing when to do a discretionary gore shot after cutting that sort of material out entirely after the pilot.
Anonymous No.725120118 [Report] >>725120342
>>725119980
the delta rays?
Anonymous No.725120131 [Report] >>725120178
>>725119980
He died horribly.
Anonymous No.725120145 [Report] >>725120837
>>725112206
>still bitter Mariner x Boimler didn't happen
Never watched it myself, thought they were a thing, then I see this and yeah I guess I should have expected as much.
Anonymous No.725120178 [Report]
>>725120131
As he deserved.
Anonymous No.725120181 [Report]
>>725090236
Most of trekkies are around 50s, i am 41 and i just don't care of the new slop. I have my cave, you do whatever. Nothing is canon post enterprise, except sto stuff.
Anonymous No.725120238 [Report] >>725120803
>>725119093
Star Trek was also always huge on philosophy. Big heady subjects. In Star Trek Picard, Picard fucking dies, and his brain is uploaded into an android. And there is ZERO thinking about the implications of this act. With his memories being essentially a copy of his brain, does this mean he's not ACTUALLY picard, as the real picard just died, and he is instead a copy of the original picard? Identical in every aspect, yet not actually the same. Because remember they can't transfer consciousness. From the real picards PoV, the events happened, and shorty before he died, his brain got scanned and then he died. From android picard, he was dying, his brain got scanned, and then he woke up in the android body, as essentially a second Picard. Zero questions about the ethics of doing this without his permission, zero questions about ANYTHING, the deepest the show goes with this, is Picard wondering if he's now immortal, and Jurati saying: "Oh don't worry, they created a cellular homeostasis algorithm to make sure you eat shit around the same time you normally would eat shit". Because obviously, Patrick Stewart is not gonna be around for the next 50 years to make Picard episodes. But so what? They put a copy of a dudes brain into an android body that now pains and aches?

Also: Fuck any show in general that milks the death of a major character and then reveals that he actually survived in some form or another. That's never not annoying to watch.
Anonymous No.725120342 [Report] >>725120508 >>725120836
>>725120118
No, he was hit directly by a ship's phaser.
Anonymous No.725120414 [Report]
>>725112423
I only know about Spock and T’lyn. Show me a hundred more, or even a thousand more vulcans from any series, and if Spock gets first place by default, then T’lyn always earns second place in my heart.
Anonymous No.725120437 [Report]
>got around to floor 50 solo
>DDoS'd
I hate this nigger retard game so fucking much its unreal
Anonymous No.725120452 [Report]
>>725119980
why are they all america shit
Anonymous No.725120508 [Report] >>725120618
>>725120342
... if you get hit by a ship's phaser the entire room and probably everything around you in a 20m radius goes pulverized without armor or shields. Was it like a dream or a comic scene?
Anonymous No.725120618 [Report] >>725121083
>>725120508
>Bad faith arguing
Anonymous No.725120626 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Genuine trekkies know that the franchise died and none of the reboot slop is canon.
Anonymous No.725120674 [Report] >>725120923
>not a single mention of Prodigy
It has my vote for the best nu-trek. Go watch it. I don't care that it's a cartoon for kids, it's the good type of cartoon made to entertain the parent stuck in the room too.
Anonymous No.725120741 [Report]
>>725096143
That image really just doesn't hit as hard when it doesn't have the stock image watermarks.
Anonymous No.725120803 [Report]
>>725120238
The Picard crippled android body thing was fucking hilarious. It was so stupid that I couldn't even process it at first, then they told him "oh yeah no you're decrepit and still gonna die soon" and I fucking lost it, it may have been the hardest I laughed all year. What a joke! Some shit Q would think up as a "gotcha" moment.
>Also: Fuck any show in general that milks the death of a major character and then reveals that he actually survived in some form or another. That's never not annoying to watch.
Oh, like Data in Picard? Yeah, that was some bullshit too. At least S3 gave us the museum ship porn shots.
Anonymous No.725120832 [Report]
Ixion is the best non star trek star trek game in my recent memory. Instead of a space ship you pilot around a whole space station while sending redshirts to their death, also amazing soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSa-ngVZdXY
Anonymous No.725120836 [Report] >>725121515
>>725120342
>hit directly by a ship's phaser.
Aren't phaser blasts from ships like... the sizes of buildings? Enterprise was hitting some pretty big shit, and the blast didn't disappear into nothing before impact. Making me think that a blast from the Enterprise is like what... 30 meters in diameter easy? Probably going up to 100meters in diameter? Was he hit by a phaser from a small 1 man scout ship or something?
Anonymous No.725120837 [Report]
>>725120145
Still love how this is overblown given the second Mariner is actually in trouble, the Andorian abandons her.
Anonymous No.725120902 [Report]
>>725096104
>>New trek is bad!
Yes
Anonymous No.725120923 [Report] >>725121156
>>725120674
I liked Strange New Worlds. it got that "weird shit of the week" vibe from ToS.
Anonymous No.725120936 [Report] >>725121958
Most Trekfans are at least in their late 30s by now. We have long since given up on anything good coming from modern "trek".
No games would capture the same "feeling" of Trek. That is too boring
Anonymous No.725121083 [Report] >>725121515
>>725120618
No it's fucking stupid. It's like you get hit by a 460mm naval ship cannon and you just get a hole in your stomach. The enterprise's photon torpedo leveling an entire mountain was probably too big but that's dumb.
Anonymous No.725121156 [Report] >>725122029 >>725122257
>>725120923
>I liked SNW
All their good episodes are stolen plots from non-trek. Crashed ship with Gorn? Alien. Stuck on a planet with an alien? Enemy Mine. Asteroid hiding nonsense? Hunt for the Red October. I don't mean they have similar themes, I mean there are sections that are beat-for-beat recreations. The shit episodes are what the entire show would be if they weren't stealing shit left and right.
Anonymous No.725121324 [Report]
>>725116265
The thumbnail looked like earth with a horse pussy.
Anonymous No.725121379 [Report]
>>725098516
Nu Trek is kino?
Anonymous No.725121515 [Report] >>725121902 >>725123516
>>725121083
>>725120836
Oh, you're just being retarded on purpose since there's no way a real star trek fan would think a phaser array would always have to be at full power and they couldn't reduce the intensity of the phaser fire to do something like this.
Anonymous No.725121902 [Report] >>725122001 >>725123530
>>725121515
i don't know how your 50 meter tall explosion is supposed to disprove anything
Anonymous No.725121958 [Report] >>725122230 >>725122694 >>725123203 >>725123927 >>725128067
>>725120936
As one of these late 30s fans who lost hope for modern Star Trek, I'm just sad that a majority of the conversation about new trek being taken up by: "Whaaa whaaa, it's political now! I don't like that they talk about modern politics!" and "Whaaa it's woke! And leftie" I want these tourists to die, Star Trek needs to be as hard left as is possible for a human watcher to stomach.
Nobody talks about why it's actually bad. The fucking constant fighting, the nonsense technobabble that doesn't even remotely make sense, the constant need for gigantic space battles with thousands of ships, the total lack of philosophy, the amount of plot points that go nowhere.
No seriously: Re-watch Discovery and note down every time a plot point is brought up that never goes anywhere. Why is the red angel doing half the shit it's doing, when we later realize who it turns out to be? Why bring up Tylers trauma and then just drop that entirely in season 2? The emeral chain is giant organized crime power house that just fucking.. ceases to be when Osira dies?
The future Federation is turbo fucked and.. oh nope, all good again! That was quick!
Anonymous No.725121996 [Report] >>725122089
Star Trek is kind of shit as a setting anyway. If anyone wanted to make a game with the sort of Star Trek gameplay loop (like a virtual novel with space combat) they'd be better doing so with their own setting.
Anonymous No.725122001 [Report]
>>725121902
Oh, you're just trolling, that explains a lot
Anonymous No.725122029 [Report]
>>725121156
>Enemy Mine
Anon 5 people have watched Enemy Mine. It's okay to steal from Enemy Mine.
Anonymous No.725122089 [Report] >>725122183
>>725121996
>tv show gameplay loop
what
Anonymous No.725122183 [Report]
>>725122089
Yeah, that'd be an appropriate gameplay loop for a Star Trek-like game
>Vnovel where you are interacting with strange people and aliens, your crew, etc and handling things diplomatically
>Combat in space
It would be pretty easy to do a good Star Trek like game, I feel.
Anonymous No.725122230 [Report]
>>725121958
there's a marked difference between speculative science fiction that sheds light on modern political issues and "the characters time travel to modern day and get apprehended by ICE"
Anonymous No.725122257 [Report]
>>725121156
umm actually enemy mine was directly inspired by Hell in the pacific
Anonymous No.725122335 [Report]
My only experience with Star Trek is a little bit of the OG show, watching The Next Generation as a kid and reruns some years later and a couple Next Generation movies and some vague Deep Space 9 memories as a kid. But I like the concept so I downloaded Star Trek Online recently to sorta get back into it.

There's some VR game coming out where you play a Vulcan trying to rescue a Federation crew from alien zombies or something. I found a Star Trek tabletop rpg I kinda want to check out but my players are all chicks and almost strictly fantasy only.
Anonymous No.725122598 [Report] >>725122694
>Cannon to right of them
>Cannon to left of them
>Cannon in front of them
>Volleyed and thundered; Stormed at with shot and shell
Anonymous No.725122694 [Report] >>725122751 >>725123135 >>725123397
>>725121958
There's nothing weirder than a right winger who cries about stuff being woke who also claims to like star trek.
Also you're 100% correct about the problems were modern Star Trek.

>>725122598
>Whatever it is you're reciting, I wish you'd stop
Anonymous No.725122751 [Report]
>>725122694
>"right winger"
fag
Anonymous No.725122856 [Report]
>>725098350
Anonymous No.725123135 [Report] >>725123469 >>725123478
>>725122694
Modern woke is all about holding old grudges and demanding social compensation for things that never even happed to you or anyone you've known.

Has there been a Star Trek episode about one race of aliens demanding reparations over something that happened hundreds of years ago that the other race already actively helped end?
Anonymous No.725123203 [Report]
>>725121958
The dumbest shit is the autistic alien’s scream travelling through the vacuum of fucking space and blowing up all the warp cores in every single spaceship. They also had the audacity to say it was because the radiation made him polyploidy. First radiation of sufficient strength shatters chromosome, polyploids basically don’t exist in anything but plants and a few fish and it wouldn’t give you fucking super human space screams. Even worse their science advisor was in genetics, clown ass fucker should have his degree revoked.
Anonymous No.725123397 [Report]
>>725122694
>Denying O'Brien
Nog was asking for a backhand from the Chief
That'd be fun though, a game focused on the engineering section. Already have a wing commander type game, how about playing a chief of engineering where you have to direct your team in a top down perspective to save the ship and such. Maybe sorta of mix between FTL and Zachtronics, Like that part of "Ensigns of Command" where Picard tells Geordie to do the impossible and ignores him whenever possible.
>Captain. We can do it. We can modify the transporters.
>Excellent."
>It will take fifteen years and a research team of a hundred…
>Mister La Forge… I believe we will postpone.
Anonymous No.725123446 [Report] >>725123735
>>725115395
>Trek was always a leftie Hugbox
But they could write fun episodes back then
why can't they spout leftie ideas AND make fun episodes anymore?
What happened?
Anonymous No.725123469 [Report]
>>725123135
>Modern woke
So right wingers are classic woke?
Anonymous No.725123478 [Report]
>>725123135
There's actually a Star Trek episode about a bunch of refugees demanding to settle on Bajor because they're religious nuts and link it to some messianic type prophecy, and even say how they can restore Bajor because they are farmers but the Bajorans (including Kira) just want them elsewhere because they want to remain as the masters of their own destiny and they're portrayed negatively for having this view.
Anonymous No.725123516 [Report] >>725123653 >>725150536
>>725121515
We're different anons. I'm the second anon. I haven't watched the cartoon. What I'm saying is that I believe, on it's lowest setting, the phaser from the Enterprise is probably still at least 30m in diameter, and at a higher setting probably in excess of 100m.
Doing some quick googling of the size of this ship, it seems to be a roughly 180 meter long vessel, Based on that picture, I'd judge that beam to still at least be 10meters in diameter?
If it was actually as small as shown in the webm of him getting rekt, that ship would be what.. 15 meters tall tops?
Anonymous No.725123530 [Report]
>>725121902
You're arguing with a Lower Decks defender. Don't bother.
Anonymous No.725123653 [Report] >>725124581
>>725123516
Do you have any canonical sources to back this up or are you just eyeballing it?
Anonymous No.725123735 [Report] >>725124927 >>725125019
>>725123446
>They could write fun episodes
Eh, depends on the season. Season 3 had a lot of stinkers, too.
But with nu trek, for me it's just that they forgot to have the federation be good and uplifting. Fucking Picards friend is a druggie living in a trailer. Why? Post scarcity, remember?
Anonymous No.725123927 [Report] >>725124743
>>725121958
It can be both.
The writing is shit in the shows, and because of that whenever they try to do some kind of "woke" message it comes off as retarded and preachy or vindictive n' stupid.
Anonymous No.725124043 [Report]
>>725090236
>3 seasons and 6 movies of tos
>7 seasons and 4 movies of tng
>7 seasons of ds9
>7 seasons of voyager
>4 seasons of enterprise

Don't feel bad for us. Theirs enough classic trek to last a lifetime basically.
Anonymous No.725124581 [Report] >>725126671
>>725123653
Took the ship size from some fucking wiki and then eyeballing it from there. Never claimed I did a scientific survey, on the cartoon I never watched. And hey, I mean I'm not even saying blasting some dude with a ships phaser ain't a cool concept. Just noticing that a ship of that size likely has a phaser that even at smallest settings is gonna be several sizes larger than this man.
Pic semi related, this is Elite Dangerous and a class 4 multicanon compared to a human. Elites ships are likely smaller than a texas class. Remember these ships are FUCK HUGE. I found one source online claiming the Texas class is 350m in length, which would make it even taller than my estimate.
So the weapons of these ships. If one ever got stranded on earth, the fucking hole the shot comes out of, is gonna be large enough for you to get all your shit and comfortably live in there. And ship weaponry is designed to overwhelm shields, and then blast through ship hulls, which are designed to withstand phaser fire. If you aimed it at a human, not only would the human not be there any more, depending on intensity, the entire city block might not be there any more.

Looks to me like this is a classic case of "Space shit is as big as it needs to be for the scene". Happened in ToS and TNG all the time.
Anonymous No.725124743 [Report] >>725125375
>>725123927
I mean, it was retarded and preachy in the 60s. They literally had people black and white and tell them how silly it is to fight over being black and white vs being white and black. heavy handed ham fisted messages of tolerance and wokeness are more trek than anything else.
It's the stupid that's so fucking annoying.
Anonymous No.725124927 [Report] >>725125217
>>725123735
The thing is that nutrek has ONLY stinkers. With old trek you could ignore the stinkers more or less, but with how they write every episode as part of a grand plot, it's impossible to ignore.
Anonymous No.725125019 [Report]
>>725123735
>A Taste of Armageddon
>okay
That's the best original series episode though've
Anonymous No.725125098 [Report] >>725143013
>>725090236
Anonymous No.725125217 [Report]
>>725124927
True. I always skip Dr. Crusher fucking her granny’s lamp ghost.
Anonymous No.725125325 [Report] >>725126809
>>725089562 (OP)
Anonymous No.725125375 [Report] >>725127147 >>725129082
>>725124743
Yes, the 1960s show is hamfisted and campy.
But in the TNG-Ent era they were alot more subtle about things.
More importantly it did not tokenize people like Soren, they existed, they filled their purpose, and went away. Leaving the audience to ponder the ethics. "She" was not saved, "her" delusions were not validated
Anonymous No.725125451 [Report]
>>725116205
that sounds like bullshit
Anonymous No.725126671 [Report] >>725127007 >>725128249
>>725124581
If we're going to get into an autistic beam battle.
The first issue is your weapon comparison is totally off the mark since those are conventional cannons, and the closet we have to those in Start Trek were Phaser Banks which where long phased out (pun intended) by the time Texas class was created.
Furthermore it used a phaser arrays, and just like hand held phasers, they have settings for intensity and power, so a phaser blast from a ship doesn't need to be 30 meters wide like you claimed.
And in the case of the Aledo reducing the phaser intensity of its array so it would be a small phaser blast, that was 100% intentional because the Aledo's AI specifically told Vice Admiral Buenamigo "I will burn your heart in a fire". And we know this beause the phaser shot was not dead center on the Admiral, but off center specifically so his body would burn and you can see for a split second Buenamgio wincing in pain as his skin is burning off and his viscera are exposed before he's incinerated. Given the power of a Starship, that is the best you can do to make someone suffer using starship weaponry.
And at full power the Texas class hits like a tank, in true star trek tradition, 3 Texas classes manage to overwhelm a sovereign class in 20 seconds.
But if the Aledo used phasers at full power on Buenamigo, he would be instantly vaporized and the AI wouldn't get the satisfaction of making him suffer. Hence why the scene makes sense and it's just random scaling shenanigans.
Anonymous No.725126809 [Report]
>>725125325
You'll have to pry Pon Farr Peril IV from my cold, dead hands you filthy petaQ
Anonymous No.725127007 [Report]
>>725126671
>and it's just not random scaling shenanigans.
Anonymous No.725127147 [Report] >>725150778 >>725154195
>>725125375
You are doing the thing I mentioned where you are misinterpreting a previous woke point and making it less woke by looking at it through a 2025 lens.
Soren here, is not a metaphor for being trans, which I'm sure you are implying by saying "her delusions were not validated". Soren in this episode is gayness. Her species is "supposed" to be genderless, and the tribunal forcing her to undergo "psychotectic therapy" to fix her "perversion" is a clear allegory for gay conversion therapy, and riker together with worf go to rescue her against orders, only to discover that they are too late, and Soren has already been subjected to the procedure. At the end of the episode, Riker is clearly heavily impacted by this. They very much attempted to save her, and her point was very much validated. The Episode very clearly is saying that the J'naii are wrong for doing this and for having done this to soren.
Anonymous No.725127415 [Report]
>Not making your star trek game about pic related
Anonymous No.725127461 [Report] >>725127515
>>725089562 (OP)
Star Trek is deader than Star Wars. This franchise has been murdered in such a way that its unbelievable. Let it die.
Anonymous No.725127515 [Report]
>>725127461
stop associating these two things
Anonymous No.725127559 [Report] >>725128109
>>725090332
>Star Wars is somehow even worse off.

Disney is a blight on anything that isn't stupid Disney Princesses. I'm still waiting for Disney to murder Kingdom Hearts.
Anonymous No.725127572 [Report]
Anyone that play STO get a kick out of how fast Texas Classes destroy a Sovereign in mere seconds, which is a common thing I'm STO for a ship to last only a second before the player destory them
Anonymous No.725127906 [Report] >>725156397
>>725116205
Equality is lefty propaganda to modern conservatism so of course they're going to be upset with star trek.
Anonymous No.725128067 [Report] >>725129115
>>725121958
>Nobody talks about why it's actually bad. The fucking constant fighting, the nonsense technobabble that doesn't even remotely make sense, the constant need for gigantic space battles with thousands of ships, the total lack of philosophy, the amount of plot points that go nowhere.

It's been 10+ years of "woke" being used as a marketing tactic and people still don't realize that it's just a cover for all the other problems the shows and movies have. For people on the left it gives a pass for poor writing because at least it's trying to be inclusive and the creators get to dismiss all criticism they perceive is coming from people who are racist and sexist and people on both sides fall into the trap every time.
Anonymous No.725128109 [Report]
>>725127559
>I'm still waiting for Disney to murder Kingdom Hearts.
that already happened, note the total lack of FF reps in 3 and that 1/2 worlds are ads for modern disney slop
Anonymous No.725128249 [Report] >>725129210 >>725132231
>>725126671
I don't think the size makes sense just because the AI uses that specific threat. It just doesn't make sense to me, that you could power the phases so far down. Like you said, they are tanks. These weapons are not designed to be used on humans, they are designed to take on a sovereign class. I'm not denying that a starship can shoot a weapon at minimum power. I'm just thinking that even at minimum power, that beams is likely to be 5 times as tall & wide as a human. Look at the explosion it caused on impact. I'm pretty sure this is exactly what you (accidentally) said it is: scaling shenanigans. It was cool for a scene to have it be small enough to fuck up that one dude, even tho that doesn't reeeeally make sense for a ship weapon.
Again, it's fine. There have always been weird scaling issues in Star Trek, where sometimes the enterprise seems FUCKING HUGE (specially in the movies) and then in some episodes she looks downright tiny, Star Trek ship scaling is kind of a meme already.
Anonymous No.725128396 [Report]
Reminder that Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters is spiritually the best Star Trek game ever made.
Anonymous No.725128532 [Report] >>725141203
>>725117897
That's because modern TV is written purely for women. And fags, I guess. View it through that facet and it'll all make sense. How the entire recent season has people in relationship troubles. Constant drama shit and talking about feelings. Defeating the ancient evil that is so evil it's even eviler than the concept of evil by glowing and screaming MY LOVE IS GREATER THAN YOUR DARKNESS while the captain just stands beside you looking sad. Pure femoid retardation.
Anonymous No.725128594 [Report]
>>725107578
This was a commentary on shit that was happening at the time in LA and only got worse over time.

Californian politics is at the core of a lot of the shittier social commentary of Star Trek
Anonymous No.725128692 [Report]
>>725105078
Because thats what people remember Star Trek for, high octane action.
Anonymous No.725129082 [Report]
>>725125375
Soren's actor was meant to be a man. Frakes was going to kiss a guy on national television.
Anonymous No.725129115 [Report] >>725130402
>>725128067
I think not even that is true. I used to believe in the "it's a shield!" theory myself, but does it really make sense? I don't actually think so. I don't think wokies are writing faggots into shows to have a shield against criticism. I think just for most people, having a gay or bi, or whatever character in a show or game is very normal, and they don't think about it at all. What seems to me, what is happening is that culture warriors attack shows for featuring niggers, or fags, or whatever else because they do not want to have to see them in video games ever, and then developers and writers get defensive and correctly talk about the fact that a bunch of racists attack their media, for having niggers in it, which the culture warriors then in turn use to say "see? They're using them as a shield", when the reality is, the culture warriors used them as a target in the first place, and now the creators are just reacting to that.
I mean, look at the reaction you got when they revealed a spic woman for GTA 6. Or that nigress for that new naughty dog game. It's already assumed to be bad, just as these culture warriors assume anything with a minority, sexual or racial is bad.
And another thing I've noticed: If you just label EVERYTHING woke, specially everything that is shit, then it's very easy to claim that woke is the reason that it is shit. But we might have a correlation =/= causation problem here I think.
Like, was Captain Marvel shit because putting a woman in a hero movie is woke? Or was it simply just an extremely badly written marvel movie? Kraven the Hunter was a lot worse, but I didn't see much "Go woke go broke" buzz around this or Morbius. It's almost like shitting on the movie that had the actress who said something retarded about white male critics is just an easy way to farm hate clicks. for money and that's all it is.
Anonymous No.725129210 [Report] >>725132231
>>725128249
As you said, they are not designed to be used on humans, but the AI still wanted to make Buenamigo to suffer, so it did the best it could by lowering the intensity of its phaser array and firing off center so Buenamigo would feel a split second of pain rather than a full power phaser blast to dead center to the chest where Buenamigo wouldn't even process he was dead. As for the explosion, that doesn't prove anything to scaling either since it's just the room being blown out.
You can make an issue out of scaling for stuff like your pic, and stuff like Bird of Preys, but that scene was played straight, where the Aledo just used a low intensity phaser blast on Buenamigo and it still had enough punch to cause his office to explode.
Anonymous No.725129735 [Report] >>725129867
>>725089562 (OP)
made for BWC
Anonymous No.725129867 [Report] >>725132324
>>725129735
Anonymous No.725130402 [Report] >>725131257 >>725131268
>>725129115
I'm glad you brought up Captain Marvel. The film's star, Brie Larson, has openly stated her distaste for critics; not just of her films but also other Disney products like their Wrinkle in Time film. That movie was panned for being incoherent gibberish despite being an adaptation of a pretty good children's novel, meaning the story was already there for them. Larson insists that the film should not have recieved criticism because the cast was majority black. You hear similar stories with The Last Jedi, the reboot of Ghostbusters and countless forgettable Marvel projects like Agatha All Along and Echo.
If a project is going to be shit, and with Disney that's often the case, race and gender are an easy shield to shift the narrative. Disney has hard rules on how many straight or white people can work on a project. This is very obviously putting diversity before quality; the best candidate for the job can get rejected because of their race. By putting BlackRock DEI requirements over quality, it becomes inevitable that the film comes out bad, and the diversity is a major cause.
Anonymous No.725130723 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
blue butthole
Anonymous No.725131257 [Report]
>>725130402
>Something is bad due to poor writing or acting
>Should we be focusing on Larson being awful and her using minorities as a shield?
>No, diversity's fault!
What's a Project 2025 shill doing here?
Anonymous No.725131268 [Report] >>725132115 >>725132121
>>725130402
But for all these products, I remember them being heavily attacked, even before they came out. Fuck, ESPECIALLY ghostbusters, There were a TON of people openly saying that the reason it's GOING to be shit (remember it wasn't out yet) is because they put women in it, and ghostbusters is inherently a male story. She Hulk is another example. For all these things, you can see the racist / sexist / misogynist comments en mass, long before it comes out, and then WHEN it comes out, that is also the main thing they focus on in terms of criticism. When the Episode 7 trailer came out people were OUTRAGED at the black stormtrooper appearing.
So, of course the people making this garbage, spend a lot of time defending against sexism and racism, because sexism and racism is the main thing that is the main form of attack.

What I mean is: You look at channels like TheQuartering, Nerdist, and a million others, and it's not like they're making valid, well thought out critique about legitimate issues in these movies, to which disney and co react by saying: "You just hate minorities", you know? They're making videos saying: "Ghostbusters is gonna SUCK because it's all WOMEN now!!", to which disney and co then react by saying "these people just hate women".
And yeah, Ghostbusters fucking sucked. But I don't think the problem with it was that they were women now.
Anonymous No.725131854 [Report]
>>725115395
>in the 60s, having women in Miniskirts was a bold, feminist move. Womens skirts had to be long and conservative
This somehow reminded me how 80s anime waifu were mostly in long skirts. ranma and yuyu hakusho
Anonymous No.725132115 [Report] >>725132712
>>725131268
They were all correct. Ghostbusters 2016 was shit. She-Hulk was shit. Disliking the people making the claim doesn't mean the claim is false.
Anonymous No.725132121 [Report] >>725132358 >>725132712
>>725131268
>TheQuarterPounding
He might have a shred of credibility if he didn't 180 on cost of living and straight up go "You will own nothing and be miserable" to people after price gouging and trump's tariffs caused prices to sky rocket because he needed to defend his direct brained team.
Though they're propagandists, they have no morals or principles, they only churn out what they're ordered too.
Anonymous No.725132231 [Report] >>725133009 >>725133398
>>725128249
>>725129210
Not sure which is which, but the guy arguing that it used a low-power shot is correct, later in the episode they have ship vs. ship combat and the beams from the Texas-class are much larger then. Varying beam power has been a thing forever in Star Trek, so it's not unprecedented that an AI would have intel on Starfleet stations and know just the right amount of power to do what it wanted to.
Anonymous No.725132324 [Report]
>>725129867
Serj Tankian if he gambler.
Anonymous No.725132358 [Report] >>725132521
>>725132121
>Though they're propagandists, they have no morals or principles
You already said they were propagandists
Anonymous No.725132521 [Report]
>>725132358
Just reiterating the point.
Anonymous No.725132620 [Report]
>>725104571
I remember someone on /co/ accusing people who didnt like Lower Decks of being "elitist secondaries" which tells you a lot about fans of that shit.
Anonymous No.725132712 [Report] >>725137413
>>725132115
Again: The claim is not that these movies were not shit. The claim is that culture warriors called them shit for being centered around women before they came out, to which other people reacted by calling them women haters, to which the "critics" then complained that they are shielding the films from criticism, by saying people who don't like it just hate women.
Which again: These supposed "critics" never made any valid point, and often the movies or games are not even out yet. They just scan the cast list for anyone gay, black, trans or woman, and then say that's the reason it's gonna fucking suck. And that is, definitionally, racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/whatever.
Remember: Ghost Busters 2016 would not have been good if it was all male. It was a terrible fucking movie completely unrelated to the gender and race of the main cast.
>>725132121
I mean, ain't it always the case? Fox news spend 12 years of Biden & Obama saying they're trying to be Kinglike dictators whenever they tried to enact any policy, and when now the white house keeps floating the Idea of trump doing an illegal third term? Total fucking silence.
Anonymous No.725132965 [Report]
Mariner just fucking suck and being a nepobaby that bitch about anything because of the Dominion War doesn't help her case at all. Boimler, Tendi, and the Vulcan girl are so much better.
Anonymous No.725133009 [Report] >>725133416
>>725132231
My point wasn't that the ship wouldn't be able to do a lower powered beam. My point was that I was pretty convinced that given the size of the ship, and thus the logical size of the weapons installed on it, even the smallest setting on a star ship mounted weapon, designed to overwhelm shields and blast through ship armor, would have been larger than the entire room that dude was standing in. Making it small enough that you can essentially gut-shot a guy, is a little silly. Nobody would design a ship mounted phaser that you can fine tune to the point that you can also use it as a welding tool, ya know?
Anonymous No.725133398 [Report]
>>725132231
>My point wasn't that the ship wouldn't be able to do a lower powered beam
But that is 100% wrong. Watch the episode. You can see it doing different powered beams, and it was intentional, not a 'scaling' error.
Anonymous No.725133416 [Report] >>725133654
>>725133009
>. Nobody would design a ship mounted phaser that you can fine tune to the point that you can also use it as a welding tool, ya know?
All this other autism aside, Starfleet absolutely would and you know it. Everybody else's handguns and rifles have two settings, stun and kill, the Federation has a rifle that's meant to operate as a survivalist's Swiss Army Knife in case you ever need to do literally anything besides stun or kill a guy. Collimated phaser arrays are absolutely designed to do shit no one else would ever use a capital ship's weapons for.
Anonymous No.725133513 [Report]
>>725107129
>>725104275
That's not an endorsment. That's a "If you only knew how bad things are"
Anonymous No.725133654 [Report]
>>725133416
Lost opportunity to have an episode with a hull breach, that gets fixed by them reflecting their beam off an ice comet or something and welding their own hull with their own phasers.
Anonymous No.725134434 [Report] >>725134772 >>725136453
>bitching about phaser setting in lower deck
Anonymous No.725134772 [Report]
>>725134434
Bashir x O'brian shippers in shambles
Anonymous No.725135060 [Report]
>>725128912
Anonymous No.725136453 [Report]
>>725134434
It's funny because Andrew Robinson himself set up Garak with someone else
Anonymous No.725137249 [Report] >>725138023
Texas class is definitely on the smaller side. Also it's a tough little ship since it tanked a warp core detonating directly in it's path before this.
Anonymous No.725137413 [Report] >>725137862
>>725132712
You're attempting to define critics as a group of literally whos e-celebs who screech whenever they see a black person on their computer screen. No one cares about those people.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_wrinkle_in_time_2018
Wrinkle in Time had 47% critic score on Rotten Tomatoes. Let me know if you find the Quarter Fucker of Akkad or whoever in the list. I found Vanity Fair, Slate and the New York Post. These are the critics Larson was railing against. They were publically insulted for not automatically giving the film a pass for meeting D&I checkboxes.
With Ghostbusters 2016, they already started pushing the narrative before it came out. You have to like it, says Melissa McCarthy, or you're a fat nerd living in your mother's basement. That film has a 74% on Rotten Tomatoes, even though audiences hated it, and you admit it was a terrible fucking movie.
Brow-beating works. Calling people racist, sexist chuds for not shilling the product works. Attaching politics to brand identity works.
And it's a telltale sign they have no faith in the product.
Anonymous No.725137862 [Report] >>725139312
>>725137413
>No one cares
Appeal to triviality
Anonymous No.725138023 [Report] >>725138681
>>725137249
When you consider there's no corridors or anything for people, it's a pretty massive ship.
Anonymous No.725138681 [Report]
>>725138023
No one said it was a shuttle and everything that would go to manned crew is replaced with generators for weapons and shields, I doubt many other ships could tank a broadside by 20+ ships all at once like the Texas Class did.
Anonymous No.725139312 [Report] >>725139625
>>725137862
The e-celeb roundup was ad hominem already, and their triviality is relevant. Also you're adopted and your opinion doesn't matter.
Anonymous No.725139625 [Report] >>725140040
>>725139312
Fallacy fallacy, appeal to triviality part duex, and ad hominem.
Anonymous No.725139851 [Report] >>725142682
>>725105078
A final Unity still gets me:

>Fully voiced by the cast in the mid fucking 90s, they all go an -okay- job (some are actually pretty good, and given the date I always wonder if this was the first taste that lead so many of them to do VA work later)
>Basically a three/four episode arc of TNG. Extremely 90s bright future diplomacy and the general plot is literally about absolute power corrupting absolutely.
>The bad guys are stellaris research-spamming fanatic materialists tankborn molluscs about 25 years before stellaris exists. This is just funny it's not a good part or a bad part.
>Combat system in my point-and-click adventure game that's actually pretty fucking good and better than bridge commander. You fucking heard me. The engineering repair system genuinely functions better (without mods, modded bridge commander is a whole other kettle of fish)
>Despite being the same era as peak adventure game pixel hunting bullshit: Mostly avoids being too bullshit. Mostly. Fuck the stupid fucking music puzzle on Frigis.
>Secret ferengi.

I play every half dozen years again and it honestly holds up as a game. Not er, not graphically but rose-tinted goggles help.
Anonymous No.725140040 [Report] >>725140438
>>725139625
uh oh the discord xisters are mad
Anonymous No.725140438 [Report]
>>725140040
non sequitur
Anonymous No.725140750 [Report]
>>725090896
Fuck no. All ju-trek is an abomination and insult to trek. ESPECIALLY fucking strange new derps and lower dreck.
Anonymous No.725140836 [Report] >>725141858
>>725092931
Would be a good 7/10 if it was half a XCOM Away/Hazard Team part. Just copy the base building from XCOM2 and put a Star Trek Voyager skin on it. Tactical combat; BS dice rolls, throw in some alien crew soldiers with abilities and leveling and I'd buy it. Pic related; I guess.
Anonymous No.725140915 [Report]
>>725092693
don't listen to the indian nigger shilling the captain.
he was right that the game already exists he's just telling you about the wrong game.
the right game is star control 2 which can be played for free using free stars.
Anonymous No.725140932 [Report]
>>725092841
Instead of being classically liberal 8n it's sensibilities, aspirationally utopian in its presentation of the future...

Its now commie faggotry and everyone is a crying asshole faggot who tries to out primary and out crybaby every other person in the show. And the dialogue would make even the roomiest of zoom zooms fucking cringe.
Anonymous No.725141203 [Report] >>725145093
>>725128532
>>725117897
The thing with classic philosophical approach is that people wont pay for it today because the show would apparently be "Too wordy".
I've met way too many people IRL who didnt like even the most normalfag shit like Breaking Bad purely because of it, let alone something like TNG which has its foundation on well written dialogues between the cast.
Anonymous No.725141828 [Report]
>>725094889
>Team, we're transporting down to planet lolicon full of 200 year old teenagers who turn into violent maniacs as soon as they go adolescent
>I will personally accompany you for social studies, as the captain it is my duty
Anonymous No.725141858 [Report]
>>725140836
>it was half a XCOM Away/Hazard Team part
Away team but not turn based. They could do an alien dark descent clone.
Anonymous No.725141968 [Report] >>725142773 >>725143531
>>725119886
Is Atlantis worth watching/better than season 9+
Anonymous No.725142181 [Report]
>>725113730
Is season 5 worth watching?
Anonymous No.725142310 [Report]
>>725117925
>top has the only two people who won that impossible battle
>only one of them actually beat it
>it's not kirk
why the fuck is nog so op
Anonymous No.725142480 [Report]
>>725117925
>Kirk team is full face and op doc, obrien is the tactical nerf\human shield. Probably any team with o'brien lose by default.
>Picard team is a fucking cheat, but with Q it has to be.
>Data and chakotee carry sisko team (with him) but the others are deadmeat
>Jesus christ janeway.
Anonymous No.725142481 [Report] >>725145265
>no stargate game where you're george hammon keeping the shit from imploding
Anonymous No.725142559 [Report] >>725142718
All im saying is - Bajorans completely deserved the occupation.
Anonymous No.725142682 [Report]
>>725139851
It's alright but the story is all over the place. Also it's funny in a tragic way that apparently the best they could do to make Crusher and Troi mandatory crew members for even one mission was "you're visiting a planet with a matriarchal society so deeply ingrained the women in charge are incapable of talking to men".
Anonymous No.725142718 [Report]
>>725142559
Anonymous No.725142773 [Report]
>>725141968
NTA but I found Atlantis a worthwhile watch
Anonymous No.725143013 [Report] >>725145540
>>725125098
Picard is genuinely the worst piece of media ever. I hate it so much. I would take ten more seasons of STD over another episode of PIC.
Anonymous No.725143531 [Report]
>>725141968
The only bad SG show is Origins.
Anonymous No.725143609 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
I just moved on. Star Trek is already glorified fanfiction and I don't need to play a game made by some 30-something year old shmuck from the current generation's interpretations of some show they watched as a child. TOS up through to DS9 (maybe even Enterprise) will always be there; I'm good. Easily the biggest problem with today's culture is that they can't leave shit in the past and insist on ruminating over things from 50 years ago instead of accepting that's happened and moving on with their lives.
Anonymous No.725143810 [Report] >>725144650 >>725145731
>>725117925
How come Star Trek comics are so unbelievably stupid?
Anonymous No.725143958 [Report] >>725145648
>>725117015
You do impregnate the blueskinned space babe though.
Anonymous No.725144083 [Report]
>>725097790
Here's your (you)
Anonymous No.725144650 [Report]
>>725143810
Nigga it's star trek i mean... what do you expect? Crossovers are just dumb fun. They exists for that.
Anonymous No.725144658 [Report]
>>725113730
I mean, it's alright so far, I am like mid-way. I am still miffed about the twist of Talia.
Anonymous No.725145093 [Report]
>>725141203
I don't know man, it's more logical to assume people have been trained to think that way because corpos want them to continue consuming the slop. Any time a show comes out with complex ideas or wordy interactions that still has compelling, well-written and acted scenes tends to achieve a high popularity. If anything, I'd say they're starved for it to the point they've forgotten what it was, and now believe what they want isn't it, but every time it gets shown to them, they go out of their way to extol it.
Anonymous No.725145265 [Report]
>>725142481
>Press 'X' to GOOLD?
Anonymous No.725145540 [Report]
>>725143013
It was so bad the showrunners, for once, got kneecapped and forced to make S3 actual fanservice. Imagine sucking at your job so much that you're practically forced at gunpoint to stop fucking up.
Anonymous No.725145648 [Report] >>725145731 >>725145873
>>725143958
Don't look up the latest Trek comic, The Last Starship, if you don't wanna see some stupid shit.
Anonymous No.725145731 [Report]
>>725145648
whoops, meant for
>>725143810
Anonymous No.725145873 [Report] >>725146753
>>725145648
It can't be any worse than Lorewar by virtue of Lorewar being The Dumbest Possible Shit already
Anonymous No.725146753 [Report] >>725146970 >>725147729 >>725155663
>>725145873
31st century Borg allow the Federation to use their transwarp conduits, but only if the Borg are allowed to access genetic information. They use something called "recursive timeline DNA building" to magic Captain Kirk back to life with all his memory, from just DNA on file. He is then given captaincy of the USS Omega, a hodgepodge of random shit from many different decades of Starfleet stuck together with Borg glue, and the Borg queen act as their ship's "warp core".
Anonymous No.725146970 [Report] >>725147276
>>725146753
Could be worse
Anonymous No.725147276 [Report]
>>725146970
The greatest sin honestly came from the first couple pages. They had a Tholian chief engineer that died on the ship the comic opens with. Such a shame, Tholians are my second favorite aliens after Caitians.
Anonymous No.725147729 [Report]
>>725146753
>magic Captain Kirk back to life
Not even death can stop him.
Anonymous No.725147878 [Report]
Play Pulsar Lost Colony.
Anonymous No.725148586 [Report] >>725151627
>>725118252
I disagree just because they took the weirdest shit from the original shows, like Cetacean Ops, and actually made them a thing that could work.
Anonymous No.725149772 [Report]
>>725118651
They did write an episode around it. It was the b plot to the first federation episode where they meet the guy played by a baby drinking tranya. Dude shows up again as crazy schizo in DS9.
Anonymous No.725150536 [Report]
>>725123516
TOS has an episode where they incapacitate but not kill people on a whole street. Handheld phasers have wide beam settings. Multiple times phasers are described as tools, used to warm up rock for heat etc. Makes sense ship phasers could have tunable beam width and power settings. Goddamn tourists.
Anonymous No.725150778 [Report] >>725154195
>>725127147
Moreso religious cults that were massively popular in the states at the time, keep deluding yourself tho.
Anonymous No.725151207 [Report]
>>725089562 (OP)
Star trek isn't going to have a Renaissance. The core ideas behind it just aren't appealing to most people anymore. Not even just because nobody believes in a optimistic future anymore, but also because nobody actually wants to see competent people in space.
Anonymous No.725151334 [Report]
>>725090236
It went to liquid diarrhea the moment they ran out of ideas toward the end of TNG, it's been downhill ever since.
Anonymous No.725151627 [Report] >>725151941 >>725155731
>>725148586
Really weird how LD and Prodigy both took the idea and ran in different directions with it.
Anonymous No.725151941 [Report]
>>725151627
More power to the writers there given the only thing we knew about Cetacean Ops, it had marine mammals, and that concept art from Star Trek Online.
Anonymous No.725152445 [Report] >>725155448
>>725095980
>AHHHHHHHH TRUMP IS GOING TO START THE EUGENICS WAR

Is this supposed to make me want to vote for Democrats?
Anonymous No.725154195 [Report] >>725154591
>>725150778
>>725127147
The entire point was to pose a moral dilemma and NOT answer it, forcing discussion. The episode had a slight slant to opposition of re-education because we see it through the eyes of Starfleet/Riker, the latter having a vested interest in her vagina and the former being extremely pro-individual. The goal was getting you two talking, and it worked like a charm, just as it did almost 40 years ago.
Anonymous No.725154591 [Report] >>725154717 >>725155647
>>725154195
What about the pro choice episode where Riker and Pulaski get kidnapped and have clones made of themselves which Riker then destroys because the people that cloned them had no right to do it?
Anonymous No.725154717 [Report]
>>725154591
>We certainly have a right to exercise control over our own bodies.
Anonymous No.725155448 [Report]
>>725152445
It is because the eugenic wars largely involves the total destruction of all western civilization and it's replacement with Eastern autocracy.
Anonymous No.725155647 [Report] >>725156006
>>725154591
That episode was funny though because it was also a incredibly obvious pro race mixing and pro white genocide.
Anonymous No.725155663 [Report]
>>725146753
Don't tell me you actually whale for THAT ship
Anonymous No.725155731 [Report]
>>725151627
Only trekkies knows about that and why when a trekkie got creative lead into a show, they will use/abuse it
Anonymous No.725156006 [Report] >>725156471 >>725157558
>>725155647
>pro white genocide
I'm amused at incels are still pushing this myth because they couldn't get laid to save anything.
Anonymous No.725156319 [Report]
Beside Certifiably Ingame and Reverse Angle (basically a shitpost review of each and EVERY TNG episodes), is there anyone that talks about Star Trek without having them go full political?
Anonymous No.725156397 [Report] >>725156893 >>725157349
>>725127906
No it isn't. Equality of OPPURTUNITY is conservative.

You lefty fucks demand 'equity', enforced equality of OUTCOMES. You demand a 650 lb lardwhale who never worked a day in her fucking life gets the same lifestyle as the man who worked 100 hour weeks for 40 years until he ran and owned his own multi million dollar business.
Anonymous No.725156471 [Report] >>725157250
>>725156006
>muh incels reee
Ok commie dumbfuck.
Anonymous No.725156893 [Report] >>725157423
>>725156397
Incorrect, conservatism is the opposite of equality since they come from a position of privilege, they see equality as oppression and advocate for taking rights away from people in order to maintain their rigged society where conservatives have inherent advantages.
This is why you hate star trek so much, because it's an actual meritocracy where you can't exert your privilege
Anonymous No.725157250 [Report]
>>725156471
>He admits he's an incel
Ha.


HA!
Anonymous No.725157349 [Report] >>725157919
>>725156397
>Equality of OPPURTUNITY is conservative.
It is because liberals want it and most social and ecenomic liberals are conservatives nowadays by the literal definition. Historically conservatism was explicitly opposed to equality of opportunity. Here's what I say about that though: Equality of opportunity It's nonsense. There is no equality of opportunity because it implies that the economy is not largely a zero sum game. Even if you support the poor that doesn't change the fact that the rich will always have more opportunities entirely through un-meritocratic processes. Actual equality of opportunity would involve everybody being raised on a farm and the very idea of family and inheritance being outlawed. Nobody wants that.

In that regard outcome of equity is honestly a more fair and sensible system. But it relies on either a social welfare program that essentially means everybody receives a basic income by default and all work is optional (Which is probably achievable and arguably for the best but don't expect anybody to admit that) or a system of democratized companies where all employers are automatically shareholders.
Anonymous No.725157423 [Report] >>725157919
>>725156893
NTA, but there is a difference between actual conservatism as a ideology (Which is 100% what you claim) and conservatism insofar that it's simply people seeking to uphold the status quo as it exists today.
Anonymous No.725157558 [Report]
>>725156006
They are pushing it because they have to. It's needed to give their warped thought process at least some sense of coherency and without it things typically just devolve into general insane gibberish or open religious doomsday mania (Aka: Insane gibberish but they quote the bible).
Anonymous No.725157919 [Report] >>725158513
>>725157423
See >>725157349
Even if we look at conservatism as an ideology, which is inherently authoritarianism because it's based on the works of Joseph de Maistre in reaction to the French Revolution, it's entirely about having a class of elites, either hereditary monarchs or wealth to rule over everyone else because they don't believe the people deserve civil liberties and representative government. And we're seeing that with modern conservative governments with the erosion of civil rights and democracy.
They're still pushing back against the new status quo which is equality, because as said before, when you come from a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression.
And going full circle, this why conservatives would hate start trek because it is a true meritocracy where your birth or accumulation of wealth is meaningless.
So I'm always baffled when a conservative says they're a fan of star trek, since, at least with roddenberry's vision it's a complete and utter rejection of it.
Anonymous No.725158513 [Report] >>725159928
>>725157919
>And we're seeing that with modern conservative governments with the erosion of civil rights and democracy.
I honestly can't really call those ideological because I don't think most of those governments believe in anything. Trump isn't in it for anything other than lining his pockets, and most people like him are no different. If the entire USA burns down to the ground and every rich person other than him is executed by Guillotine he'll be laughing about it while flying to Latin America. It's not about believing people don't deserve civil liberties or democracy, it's about looking how to best to exploit all of it.

>They're still pushing back against the new status quo which is equality, because as said before, when you come from a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression.
I do mostly agree with that, I just question to what extent it's really out of genuine ideological conservatism or just a simple "Fuck you, got mine" mentality.

>And going full circle, this why conservatives would hate start trek because it is a true meritocracy where your birth or accumulation of wealth is meaningless. So I'm always baffled when a conservative says they're a fan of star trek, since, at least with roddenberry's vision it's a complete and utter rejection of it.
They like it because Starfleet is written as a unanimously good example of a military force, filled with competent, mature, and measured people. Most captains are basically just a modern version of your stereotypical Officer and a Gentleman.

Is that missing the point? Eh, arguably. But if you view Star Trek mostly on a episodic case by case basis (Which is mostly what it was) It's easy to see how it can be appealing to somebody looking for positive examples of soldiers (Especially in a time before 9/11 when that was MUCH more rare).
Anonymous No.725159052 [Report]
>>725098516
Yeah, I hate this. Shouldn't have clicked on this thread.
Anonymous No.725159353 [Report] >>725159397
>>725098516
>use the Jan 5th as a turning point and not the trillions of SUMMER OF LOVE
This will always be the shittiest part of it
Anonymous No.725159397 [Report] >>725159503
>>725159353
It's silly in general that people that far into the future would be that specific. Most likely the actual turning point would be either the 2008 ecenomic crash or Reagan being elected.
Anonymous No.725159503 [Report]
>>725159397
They could have just shown San Franciso that DS9 visit in the past, too. That part always left a bad taste
Anonyrnous No.725159885 [Report]
>>725090535
Only reddit tourists believe in reddit spacing.
Anonymous No.725159928 [Report]
>>725158513
>I honestly can't really call those ideological because I don't think most of those governments believe in anything.
First, trump was just the one who was amoral enough and got in at the right opportunity, Ala just like Palpatine turning the old republic into the empire because the system was already rotten. Although in America we've had 40 years of asystematical polarization by conservatives completely rat fucking the system and playing scorched earth politics. Though let's be perfectly far, trump already staged a coup to try to stay in power and the system failed to hold him accountable. He's absolutely going to stage a second coup since he has full backing of the conservative party and they absolutely want to see America turned into a single party dictatorship where they rule. We know this because he's turned ICE and boarder patrol into the largest paramilitary group in the world that is unaccountable to the law and answers only to him, along with having the military practice war games about civil unrest. Ending democracy would be quintessential conservatism.
They could honestly retroactively include clips of the upcoming years into that Strange New World montage Pike was showing.>>725098516

>I do mostly agree with that, I just question to what extent it's really out of genuine ideological conservatism or just a simple "Fuck you, got mine" mentality.
It's one and same. When conservatives get the leg up, they will instantly pull the ladder out from under them and then blame you for not working hard enough

>They like it because Starfleet is written as a unanimously good example of a military force, filled with competent, mature, and measured people.
And still judged by merit and not race, gender, income or birth. Although it's extremely weird you see starfleet officers as soldiers and not explorers. Did you forget that at least until Wolf 351, Starfleet had not warships and everything was designed for self defense?