Thread 538022263

Famous quotes Edition

>Update 10.0 patch notes:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/260-patch-notes-10-0

>August Community update
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/253-august-community-update

>Year 2 Roadmap:
https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview

>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:
https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/

>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:
https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinks

Previously on the Battle-Barge: >>537894706

>>538021964
>Everyone hates this helmet and shits on it so hard it gets abandoned and SW get different helmet upgrade sprue
>Saber still includes it into the game
For what fucking purpose? Not even GW would want them shilled, you can't buy those

Honeymoon period is swiftly dying, I see.

>Power Axe is a whiffle bat
>Chaos Spawn designed with the gayest Elden Ring movesets imaginable
>Pyreblaster blinding everybody
>Half the Stratagems are pure aids

>anno domini 2025
>still can't use duplicated classes
>still can't search for an open lobby with your class free
and I'm gone again, checking back in 2026

>>538022736
>still can't search for an open lobby with your class free
That was literally a thing added months ago. Matchmaking will always search for lobbies lacking the class you're playing.

>>538022694
the worst part about flamer is you cant see indicators

>>538020561
sm2 trannies will seethe and rage at trvkes

>>538022878
>guy clearly doesn't play the game
>you still reply to him
it still occasionaly happens when someone else connects faster than you

>>538022736
It's only going to get worse when Techmarine launches, because everyone who's still playing will gravitate to him in order to level him up, and Saber will give some absolute dogshit excuse as to why they can't change it

>>538023082
You are just bad at the game, it's ok, but just keep yourself in tranny tide or something.

>>538023153
M-maybe class stacking will be unlocked alongside Techmarine release?

We need a 40k game set during the legion wars, either strategy or rpg based. Pick a traitor legion, make your own warband, kill your bitter rivals, and conquer worlds. And no, I don't care about the new chaos vs chaos pvp mode in this game.

>>538023618
We're playing named characters, lore dictates that it's impossible. Please understand

>>538023697
it could be post legion wars, youre just rummaging around, attacking outposts, warehouse planets, salvaging spacehulks, planting cults and infiltrators

>>538023491
ah yes the cuck response. now go and pay 40 dollars for the next 5 skins you'll get this year like a good boy. and keep spamming that parry button, after all it's 95% of the game

>>538024030
I'd be fine with that too. I'm just sick of ultramarines >:(

>>538022263 (OP)
Fuck Saber and fuck this slavic shit show.
>Cheated in 2000 Accolades
I am never touching strategems again get fucked.
>Sorry, NOT SORRY

>>538024347
>Cheated in 2000 Accolades
How?

>>538024347
Already got the bypass working? Nice. I've been on the lookout for one too. Once I get it it's bye bye to stratagems. If they don't value my time I don't intend to value any amount of work they put into making this grindfest.

>>538024347
EAC bypass doesnt work any more. Try again.

>>538023985
This is bullshit obviously. All Marines can change equipment as need, they are fucking marines trained in a variety of weapons, in an addition to being Space Knights. Straban could squeeze into Phobos armor and go Vanguard and Decimus become a Sniper if need be. It's mentioned few times during this game story even.
All that is needed is an option to select your Character separately from Class.

The actual issue is in some of classes abilities not being designed around stacking of them. But honestly it's only really a problem with a Banner and an Auspex scan. And a meager one at that. They fucked up conceptually by forcing class restrictions on a design stage, but if they patched in class stacking in some update closer to release then they would have balanced it all until now to a reasonable state already.

>>538024347
no man you dont understand the game is perfectly fine and fun you dont need to cheat in currency youre just bad at the game

>>538023985
uh actually it's named *ultramarines* character, ok? praise guilliman

>>538025170
It does thoughever. It's a matter of properly editing hex values in the executable so that you patch out the detection of modded files.

>>538025325
>>538025170
Link to the bypass?

>>538025170
Lol mine still works and always will because EAC has a critical flaw when booting.
>>538025153
My suite is buggy but ironically they coded Accolades in as research points. Editing them gives you Accolades instead. So no update needed.

Brothers, I've been having some issues with running the game recently. The game is crashing at random moments, it looks like it's a matter of shaders or graphics related bullshit since it blacks out the screen and all the windows that are opened in explorer which I need to reset afterwards.

I'm comfortably above recommended specs and so far SM2 worked just fine. Nothing even changed in my system and crashing started occurring randomly only recently and I was wondering if anyone else was/is dealing with similar crashes, and perhaps found some solution?
Any help would be much appreciated.

For Space Marine 3, I would personally move away from the concept of classes, and instead shift to a resource-based loadout system. Weapons and even armor patterns are weighed based not only on their damage and utility, but what they cost in relation to other pieces of gear. The Bolt Pistol would actually get used when you take 2-3 expensive items and suddenly have no space BUT for said Bolt Pistol.

Would I have an easier time completing the weekly Hard Strategem if I leveled up a bit more? The invincible Lictor seems to have a ton of health and I'm only lvl 5, prestige 4 though. We got fucked when a Carnifex spawned with the invincible lictor, and Zoanthropes blasting us with the fucking green shits on the ground.

why is every horde shooter general filled with mentally ill people who hate their developer

>>538026248
Proof?

>>538026279
check temps
>>538026369
lictor is not that big of a deal if you know how to fight a lictor, it will stick to one person, the main problem is you cant see anything, and theres nothing you can really do about that other than killl things faster, because you cant ping things in the darkness to find them

>>538026403
That applies to all gamers

>>538026540
Yeah, I looked at those. Temps are fine: GPU/Memory, CPU etc. - everything is working perfectly. No spikes, transients. Nada. Like I said I never ran into that issue before and no other game, especially newer ones post 2023, cause any issues. I've seen one post on Saber's forum with the exact issue from a year ago, but support didn't bother to reply to the guy. I guess I'll try to clear shader cache and force the game to rebuild it. Maybe this'll do something.

>>538026540
We were in an enclosed area after the first drop down. Tons of majoris, a Carnifex, the invincible Lictor and Zoanthropes were outright fucking us. The majoris that shoots and leaves behind the green shits on the ground were everywhere so we were thoroughly fucked.

>>538026403
I never played other horde shooters but there's about a million reasons to hate these ones. Maybe you just have dogshit for standards.

>>538026649
it really doesn't
pve players are uniquely egotistical
maybe it comes from feeling like you're playing against "the developer" instead of anyone who can check your unearned ego but people who main pve are weirdly retarded

>>538026403
>mentally ill people who hate their developer
That's basically every general, except gachaniggers who should hate their dev but have stockholm syndrome

>>538026403
autists playing those games obsessively constantly want more and no developer can meet their demands fast enough. And the longer you play the game, the more issues with it you see. Which is why you then get "2000+ hours in game - not recommended" reviews.
This isn't even exclusive to vidya. GW can't meet demand on their products either, they can't produce stuff in enough numbers to satisfy their consumers. And the more mini ranges they have, the worse it gets. And they have to create new minis alll the time too, which then means they have even more stuff to constantly produce. To make matters worse, they don't want to produce their plastic in China, only in bongland, by paying bongland wages and recently got cucked by a bat on top of this.

>>538027974
>they don't want to produce their plastic in China
thats a good thing, because that means they understand that the chinese will steal their mould as they do with everything

>>538027974
>they can't produce stuff in enough numbers to satisfy their consumers
do you believe in food shortage in africa too?

>>538026248
lil gup got caught in a lie and doesnt want to talk any more
so sad

>>538028578
No, I just have no intention of showing you how so you can report it out of spite.
This is not my first rodeo, kid.

Enjoy your accolades grind. lol, lmao.

Do we get anything for Absolute on the new Operation? Or have they abandoned the system and are throwing it all into Accolades?

>>538028987
>my bypass will always work
>if i tell you my bypass will not work any more
which one is it

>Have to play on Wifi due to location of fibre ports compared to office.
>Black Templar champion and customisation finally release
>Can update all my BT and update my wall dudes
>Some fucking finook in my semi rural area uploaded CP AGAIN!
>Cannot upload images again for who knows how long...

FUCKING PEDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>no generic color variants for the hatchet
>[sad magpie noises]

Would've been nice to get a version of this helmet without all the bling. Not sure why they insist on making every gear fit for captains, chapter masters and champions. Make some shit for the lower level guys.

>>538029415
It works because they clearly do not understand the obvious, core weakness. Its not super secret squirrel shit either, just minimal competence would have caught and fixed it years ago.
>"Post it buddy, don't worry I wont report it so it can be looked at the and loophole closed!"
No, you fucking retard. Fucking normalfag doesn't understand OPSEC that is unavoidable now due to faggots like (You) being bootlicking cocksuckers and salty.
Its not 2002 and people could openly post exploits etc and forum users would STFU.
We have redditfags everywhere white knighting for these incompetent fuckwits.

Keep trying to bait me though. (You), cannot make me mad.

>>538029505
is loli cp

>wont post proof
mmhmmm yep

>People leveling/no passive perks on the weekly hard stratagem

FUCKING TOURISTS GET OUT OF MY GAME

>>538011985
>just want vanguard champ dlc for the wolf pelt pauldron
>$8 on sale
>just want assault champ dlc for the glove
>fucking $10
I'm at least glad I didn't buy the white scar dlc considering they added gloves for phobos classes (my favorites). I could fuck with the grieves too, but that's still too little value for $10.

>>538027313
pvp players complain too
battlefield players constantly shit on dice
league players constantly shit on riot games
I can go on and on

>>538030724
>white scars commonly have two leather gloves
>the heroic leather glove is only for sniper and vanguard

This is so retarded. Like the same person who decided to give the champ weapon skin to a weapon the actual champ skin can't use.

>>538030115
>OPSEC
bro this is a video game, not a revolutionary movement

>>538030190
Either that or something else illegal 4chan blanket bans an area and ISP from uploading images for a couple months

>>538030894
That is why you will never leave the currency mines. Sucks to suck.

>Imperial Fists effectively get 2.5 cosmetic releases
>Still yet to see one since patch

Might have to start running one myself.

>>538030783
it's not the same lol
there's more of a back and forth, impotent bitching is recognized as impotent bitching more often. the adversarial relationship with the developers isn't really there as often. it's more often directed towards players which makes sense

Codes?

The power axe is really fucking shit. What were they thinking.

>>538032986
No codes, everyone already beat Absolute Vortex and Hard Inferno stratagem

>>538033719
Sure they did

>/sm2g/ says power axe sucks
Uhhh..are you sure?

>>538034327
he said it's a parry device which i mean
parry game

How to instantly improve your experience

> turn off crossplay
> dont play with assaultnigs

>>538034327
its good on bulwark with the shield bash melee dmg buff perks

>>538034576
How do you use the new bulwark shield dash?

>>538024164
Yes I will :)

>>538034762
You guard and do a heavy attack

>>538034327
impressive. very nice. now lets see our guy's clip.

>>538030891
>sniper salamander champ
>$10 for only half a pair of gloves
>added a fucking mark 7 helmet with all the trimmings but STILL no phobos helmet
>couldn't even let bulwark wear DA champ's tabard
Man, I fuckin hate Saber.
Was really hoping we'd get that tabard on assault and tac. I know that was pretty heavy cope considering their dumb fucking class silhouette autism when there shouldn't even be classes. Bulwark robes not being available on bulwark is fucking outrageous though. The bullshit restrictions are making less and less sense.
At least they have lifted a lot of them since release, but we're still so far from how it should've been at launch. It's crazy to think that this game got delayed almost a full year. Should've gotten delayed like an actual full year on top of that.

they didnt test this weekly hard strategem did they?

>>538034404
> turn off crossplay
> dont play with the sudden and inexplicable influx of new Ultramarine players

Weird...

>>538035750
Black Templars*
Fixed it for ya

Codes?

>>538035213
>>538035429
Holy shit, /fhg/ is back?

>>538035430
It's perfectly doable. Just need 2 other players who focus and bring their best
Good luck)))))

>>538035430
Feels like they didnt test half of the stratagems

what the fuck is this? some kind of iron losers warband? i thought he was a DG until i saw the other pauldron was yellow.

>>538037691
that's the beauty of it - because they are temporary, they don't need to. They can just claim they wanted them to be extra hard today/this week:^)

>>538026362
What would be the concequences of a high-cost build or a low-cost build? I like the idea though. Makes you feel as if you're equipping proper wargear as opposed to simply fitting guns/melee in slots.

this is genious

vanguard shoulderpad options suck

>Assault
>Pyreblaster Heavy
Yup, time to leave.

> make awesome chaos skins
> only useable in pvp

but why? this is so nonsensical and the devs avoidance to anything for chaos is cringe.

>>538039428
GW said no to that

>>538037404
its really not.

>>538039512
literally fanfiction because its easier to blame Faceless GW than dev laziness.

What was there excuse for no chaos operations? oh yeh MUH Voicelines

>>538039972
I mean I did it, I saw other people running around with phase blades, so they also did it.
What's your excuse?

Man I dont understand tyranids whip parry window. These shits are bullshit desu.

>this weekly isn't doable
it's absolute with two modifiers man that's not literally impossible make

>>538040557
You cannot parry the followup after the first attack if you fucked up the first parry. The third attack needs you to mash parry on both fencing and balanced when the animation of the attack starts, not before.

>>538036285
Nope, I have seen more UM last 24 hours than last 2 months.

There is an uptick in BT due to the champion skin release but not more than DA when they had theirs. I did not notice an increase in anyone else on release though but that might be DA came first and then everyone kind of got over champ skins due to locked cosmetics.

Still I have not seen any WS, SW, Sallies, or BA since patch.

>>538040149
Good thing the mods exist to fill the gap

I hate every single Assault player

>>538037404
what feeling is this video suppposed to convey again?

>>538042460
1. play assault yourself so that you don't get matched with them
2. .......
3. PROFIT

>>538030649
I joined a game, shitters died at the start, then i did it with the bots.

MAGAZINE IN
MAGAZINE OUT

>>538032298
Hello.

>>538042982
WHAT IS THE HOLDUP?

>>538040703
good evening saar, very good english

Codes?
xj9bf

>>538043402
Why do Imperial Fists use Jotaro's hand symbol from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

>>538042982
He and autismo Straban are the only 2 marines in that squad with personality

>>538044583
Straban is literally me

>>538044024
at this point you should probably specify what you would like to play, this game is getting to many modes

Any codes for Hard?

>>538043402
looking good, brother

>>538045813
We make our genefather proud, brother.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAA

When I get home from work, I'm going to show you guys just how goofy the Fists look when you're not cherry picking from one or two specific companies.

Straban,

>>538034327
>>538033629
The axe really is the "Fight back, nigga, fight back!" -weapon. Great at interrupting enemy follow up attacks (Carnifex, whip Warrior) with your riposte attack, but pretty shit at everything else.
They really need to boost the non-riposte damage though, because it's laughable how long you may have to chip away at a single Majoris if they don't attack back enough for you to punish them. Maybe give it another special feature too, because it's kinda boring if the counter attack is the only special thing about it and the rest is just normal looking attacks that don't look or feel special in any way. I can't even tell which attacks are light or heavy because it's just this whirly dance that drags on. Almost as if the weapon wasn't quite fully baked yet.
>(My) TOP PICKS TIER
Power fist, Power Sword, Chain Sword
>OKAY TIER (won't pick them normally if given choice, or could use buffs)
Thunder Hammer, Combat Knife, Power Axe

What's wrong with Assault, why is it looked down here?

>>538048530
It’s the designated incel class

>>538048530
It's great. Literally my favorite class along with Tactical.
Maybe the class perks feel a bit more situational compared to something like +15% universal melee/ranged damage or healing, but eh.

>>538048530
people are afraid to learn how to play the game.

>>538043402
n-nani? I...is that you, Sigismund?

>>538048530
hes not the meta for rollslop aoe damage healbot meltabomb spam
heavy is mandatory since his plasma is so overpowered
tact is needed for auspex and now hes a grenade vender.
that only leave one slot, vanguard and bulwark are both heal bots

>>538048530
>worse at melee than tactical, vanguard and bulwark
>worse survivability compared to every other class besides tactical
>worse at mobility than vanguard and now bulwark
>no proper ranged weapon
It's sort of neat for boss nuking and horde clear in siege, but that's about it. Outside of siege, enemies don't reach the same density, even on absolute, so you're kinda stuck not always having access to your jump pack ability.
It's just not a good class.

>>538049331
>Outside of siege, enemies don't reach the same density, even on absolute, so you're kinda stuck not always having access to your jump pack ability.
Nonsense. I'm teabagging enemies half of entire operations. I just finished 6 operations on Assault and as long as you have the "recharge on kill" and don't focus on single target jump damage (niche or straight up noob trap), you'll be able to obliterate a anything bigger than a group of 5 enemies with the rampant jumping or at least weaken them up for easy pickings.

hi guys, i'm getting an issue on Demerium (last planet in the campaign) after the thing with Leuze/Imurah activating the artifact, I have this green swirly effect all over the screen and it's kinda hard to see through
it won't go away with time, if i go to the battle barge, if i quick out the game and return, if i switch off/on the ps5, etc
i've checked other gameplay online and they don't have this issue ( https://youtu.be/4_hevAlY7_A?t=2935 ), does anyone know how i can fix this? thank you!

>>538050021
>if i quick out
*quit out
sorry, typo

>>538049331
I am not sure why, but I started assault right after maxing Bulwark at launch. I have now played more assault than anything else and it is my strongest class. I can play vanguard as well as anyone else that does not autistically main it but I cannot carry on anything else like I can on assault.

I am not humble bragging either - I have seen you guys and others I play with complain about assault constantly for a year. I can tell I am more potent in melee as vanguard/bulwark/tac but my - for lack of a better term - 'muscle memory' is now tied to power sword/chainsword/hammer + plasma, which I only ever use for gunstrikes, interrupting a call in, or peppering a boss.

>>538049971
I am not saying you cannot finish operations on it. I am saying that out of all the classes, assault is objectively the worst.

>Desperately want to make a squad of Lamenters
>Now I know Champion Skins can be cut down and used individually (mostly) I have to wait till the BA one comes out MAYBE by Dec due to my autism...

any codes?

>>538042982
WE BLEW IT UP

>>538050660
YOU MANIACS

So whats the move for Vanguard? Grind the Relic Axe or grind for the Xenophase blade?

Just got carried on Inferno Hard by a GOAT Heavy and Vanguard, what should I buy first?

Combibolter or helmet?

>>538050308
In my personal experience, I get rougher time on the average with Bulwark, even though you have the heal and utility, because:
- People are stupid with the healing opportunities and it can be extremely frustrating at times
- You don't have a good options against Zoans/Neuros
- You can't quickly tie-up major ranged threads in melee like Assault and Vanguard can, so when the corridor is full of Warriors and barbed wires, you might be in more trouble
- You can't kill hordes of enemies like Assault and Vanguard (melta or jump teabagging) on demand, as the lightning fields and parries are not good enough substitutes
That being said, all classes are good when you build them right.
Yes, I have everyone and everything maxed out that wasn't rolled on this newest patch.

>>538051416
>Combibolter or helmet?
what are the helmet's stats?

>>538051416
hodl
until saber buffs the heroic weapons 6 months from now

>Vortex
I'll never touch that shit ever again. Fuck chaos.

How do I grind the power axe, pyreblaster and pyrecannon?

Play Substantial or Average first?

>>538051629
Just get carried in ruthless

>>538051765
instructions unclear, got wiped after embarking on a mission with a level 10 melta heavy and level 25 vanguard without a team perk

>>538051629
Personally:
1st and 2nd tier weapons with Average difficulty.
3rd on Substantial, maybe sometimes Ruthless if the EXP gap means the difference between 1 or 2 runs.
4th tier: skip Ruthless and just go Absolute, unless you are inexperienced
The idea is that while I could do harder difficulties with a lower tier weapon, it's just anemic when your weapon hits like wet noodle.
>>538051765
You don't get much exp if you don't actually use the weapon. And it's boring to either use a weak weapon and hope to get carried. Besides, if your operation fails because everyone else was hoping you to carry them, you'll end up spending more time than simply grinding on the matching difficulty and rarity.

>>538052349
>>538052309
>>538051765
Which map is the fastest?

Inferno or Decap? Is it true that Ruthless, Lethal and Absolute have double Terminus spawns now?

>>538052349
Fact: weapons receive the same amount of XP per mission regardless of if you actually use them or not
You can bring a weapon and literally never use it and it will receive full XP

>>538051309
Vanguard doesnt get the powersword

>>538052467
>double Terminus spawns
It's true.
I just rotate the Tyranid-only operations for variety.
>>538052545
The last time I tested that exact strategy it didn't work. Are you absolutely sure, or was it patched?

>>538052545
>You can bring a weapon and literally never use it and it will receive full XP
i did this once and got zero exp. i had it equipped the entire time. i think yo udo need some kills. and another time i used a green weapon the entire run and then swapped it for the finally, and the green weapon only got like 10% of the exp

>Zoathrope beam is still a fucking mess
Why the fuck haven't they fixed this?

>>538052545
You are mistaking mission EXP (character levels up), for weapon EXP, which is separate.

>>538051497
>People are stupid
That's a people problem not a class problem
>You don't have a good options against Zoans/Neuros
As opposed to assault? Powerfist btw, same damage numbers
>You can't quickly tie-up major ranged threads in melee
Just shield dash now makes you faster and deadlier at that than assault
>You can't kill hordes of enemies like Assault
Your powerfist? Also yeah no shit, unlike assault and bulwark a vanguard has a primary weapon
>all classes are good when you build them right.
Except Assault is the worst
>Yes, I have everyone and everything maxed out that wasn't rolled on this newest patch.
I hope everyone in this thread does

>>538052545
You have to kill at least one enemy for that to work still.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FUCKING SHITTERS OMFG

>>538053057
>Just shield dash now makes you faster and deadlier at that than assault
That's not how you catch up with the enemy ranged majoris in a hectic massive wave.
First of all, your "dash" turns into a crawl when you are being shot at.
Second, you can be shot from behind and you might be surrounded.
Third, you can't just walk over all that barbed wire when there's a carnifex, 3 warriors and a zoan on your ass.
>Your powerfist?
Your powerfist can't do the bigger charge attack in a high intensity scenario, the one that actually hurts. Melta can since it's instant activation AoE with big interrupts. Assault jump attack is invulnerable in air with the prestige perk, so he absolutely can.

assault is easily one of the best team players with his jump pack, you can stagger everything from just about anywhere. i always ground pound melee extremis off my allies. he deals the most damage with a block build, but you can play a gunstrike build with balanced and farm armor. heavy bolt pistol with +35% ranged damage perks is almost as good as a primary against ranged enemies and thropes

>>538051416
what weapons did the heavy and vanguard use?

>>538053643
>"dash" turns into a crawl
I should've worded that better. This patch added the shield charge/dash thing that is super fast, has ranged immunity on charging and does a shitton of damage while being spammable.
It is actually fucking stupid and I feel like they're going to nerf that into the ground.

>>538026403
People overwhelming love Arrowhead and their no bullshit live service model

>>538053971
You mean the dash attack then. But that only goes so far still, I'm talking about going distances covering half the battlefield almost instantly, not some one-dash-and-you-are-there distances. Especially over obstacles and masses of threats.

>>538054084
/HD2G/ Has been in perpetual revolt for more than a week now.

The progression system is moronic.

It was plainly obvious that people would run the highest difficulty with the new weapons, and they'll do it with the new class too. Then slapping in a new currency on top of that.

I hope for SM3 they remove the gear grind, its stupid. Give us no classes, no gear grind, you unlock the power axe when you hit the level to unlock it but a power axe is a power axe.

>>538053921
Multimelta and bolt carbine/melta rifle in the ending platform.

>>538054368
>hd2g
/hdg/ has been frothing over how good the new update and warbond is. Reddit is getting posts from the devs and everyone praising them and even discord the trannt shithole that it is is in support of the update.

It turns out when your live service model is simple, good and generous people love it. And not a convoluted fucking shitshow that SM2 is because its a clusterfuck of progression, maps, modes and difficulties.

>>538022694
I had exactly the same thoughts, those delayed attacks on chaos spawn are peak rollslop soulshit, the power axe does fuck all and the pyreblaster sucks dick, I did some decent damage with it on a hellbrute though but its useless vs anything else but bosses

>>538053057
>That's a people problem not a class problem
Nta but no. Its the game devs job to make a game that players enjoy and is sensible. They never should have made Bulwark a medic class. They also should have removed his heal but didnt. Now Bulwark being a medic is a core mechanic which the game is based around, as is vanguards insane team heal. Both are idiotic choices which has horrifically fucked up the games balance.

The lead designer for SM2 is running outdated game design principles.

>>538022736
>BuY iT WoUlD bE BroKeN to hAvE MultipLE ClAsses
Shouted Saber, ignoring the fact the game is, fundamentally, broken already. And ignoring the fact that people want to have fun in a video game.

>>538042982
SHOOT ME AGAIN AND I WILL TAKE YOUR ARM

>black templar champion pack
>no mark x with laurels
I was up for buying it if I could recreate one of the cooler spacemarine tabletop models, but that's a bit of a miss

>>538055469
the bulwark/knight version, not the regular mark x I should say

SM2 newfag here.
Game is on discount, am tentatively considering buying it.
I don't overly care about the campaign, I've already watched someone else play it. I'll likely still play it, but is the game worth my time outside of it?
My first impression was ages ago, where the game looked like parry QTE rollslop, which is why I never bothered with it. Someone else recently told me my perception was dated. Is this correct? How different is it now? Is the combat more than roll roll press button on glowing baddie?
Can someone link actually representative and good gameplay of high difficulty content? I haven't followed the game and don't know what to look out for when it comes to clickbaiting jewtuber faggots.

>>538057007
It's too grindy for new players, only buy it at 80%+ sale

>>538057007
If you really like loading screens, then buy it.

>>538055081
How is it good against bosses but bad against everything else? If you're doing good damage to the boss then you should be doing good damage to other enemies.

>>538057007
Yeah most people play because of the coop
Parry timing is still an important part of the gameplay, combat was never about roll into qte
I dont know about "high level" but here's a webm

>>538057342
>dodge on red
>block on blue
>automatically shoot crosshair
>execute on red enemy
This is literally QTE.

>>538042982
GOOD TALK

>>538042713
i dont know try asking a woman

>>538057007
>parry QTE rollslop
thats one play style, its the intended way to play. there is another playstyle with block weapons where you block a couple attack then plow through the enemy. then the third way of playing is with over powered charge up weapons that kill everything like the plasma or the power fist. its just fun being a space marine though, the gameplay isnt that bad.

>>538057725
Genuinely retarded

>>538057725
>literally QTE.
I wouldnt call it that, QTE generally imply a sort of cinematic environment, a context in which pressing such a button have a special effect
In this case it's more a case of reactive combat, but yeah, in essence that's being melee is about in this game, hit and dont get hit
Or, you could play ranged

>>538057068
>It's too grindy for new players
How bad is it, really? I don't mind grinding for one class and a couple weapons, or however the progression system works.
>>538057342
>>538057857
Thanks for the video(s), and yeah, what >>538057725 said is basically what I'm not overly excited about.
I like co-op, and if that's what people play it for, that's great, but how relevant is actual teamwork? Is there any direct synergy that reward playing together, or is it just everyone playing singleplayer next to each other? Because I don't imagine that kind of block/dodge/parry stuff to reward co-op all that much, excluding what you said about big chunky charged ranged weapons that just obliterate whatever enemy is currently tangled in a parry animation or whatever. Which doesn't sound too bad, but neither does it sound very exciting to me tbdesu.
>>538058567
>Or, you could play ranged
Yeah, just first impressions wise, I might want to avoid melee and lean more into ranged. If this is good and viable, that might just be enough to convince me to give the game a try. Again, thanks for the video.

IDK dude I am not really feeling this.

>>538058771
>I might want to avoid melee and lean more into ranged.
You can't really do that. The game will swarm you with enemies and make you walk into ambushes to force you into melee on a regular basis (10+ times over a 30 minute level)

>>538058771
>actual teamwork
the classes are suppose to cover each other's strengths and weaknesses. but you can help as much as you want. as a sniper you can set up executes for teammates. assault can always jump in and help anyone. a couple classes can heal. you can always provide covering fire or jump in melee with your battle brothers, or focus fire terminus or extremis. actually any class can "heal" if you help set up an execute and let your teammate take it.

>>538058771
I dont think the game is grindy at all personally, you get the essential really fast, the only people "grinding" right now are doing so for the superendgame variants or the prestige perks, which are completionists tier
Not sure what you mean by teamwork but you can reanimate your friend, classes have special teamperks that affect the whole team and there's boss battles
I'm not a big fan of ranged myself but it can be fun, you can never be 100% ranged tho, you'll have to learn melee one way or another

Hmm. Balanced relic axe is kinda nice on light attacks. With a little bit of boost you could call it a beast even.

Only use heavy attacks to break guard, really. Or maybe some crowd control, but light attacks might do that too to an extent.

>>538059953
>health stays at 100%
bullshit

I give up on the weekly hard stratagem. It's too hard.

>>538059583
Yeah no, obviously. But if I'm not permanently stuck in QTE hell, that's fine. I'm not fundamentally against it or anything.
>>538059612
Thanks for the video again. Yeah, that looks fun. What you said also makes sense.
>>538059695
That's what I figured, also. Don't really care that much about super endgame related stuff since I don't even know how much I'll like the game in the first place.

I ended up buying the game, maybe I'll like it. Price is low enough that I won't be mad if I end up dropping it. Any advice on specific classes/weapons to focus on if I enjoy leaning heavily on the co-op aspect, support abilities, healing? I obviously don't expect support slut gameplay, inb4 anyone suggests that. Anything I should avoid?

>>538060651
we tricked another one boys

>>538058771
It's not that bad don't listen to him. Within a day of playing you'll get a class and weapon fully maxed out.

>>538058874
give him the wolf helmet. become the dragon

Can you even equip a bladeguard veteran with a power axe? It sure feels stupid to have a space knight carrying a board and a hatchet.

>>538061702
The Ultramarine Bladeguard in the Secret Level episode, Sgt. Metaurus, carried an axe.

The vortex beast even on ruthless is fucking impossible with random retards, they literally die in the first 20 seconds.

>got kicked out of party for the first time in 9 months, despite carrying and teamplaying well without tarrying
I can only wonder what prompted that. Never know with these patch week players...

>>538054760
Bull fucking shit.
Its literally been a house on fire with the only non bitching being the 'MED PEN FAGS' vs 'LIGHT PEN FAGS'.

>>538062618
did you step out of the circle?

>>538060651
>support abilities, healing?
the healing is locked behind perks in the perk tree. bulwark has an active heal, when you drop you flag you and anyone about 10 feet near you restores all contested hp. in this case they need to know to do damage to heal. and vanguard has a perk where you passively heal when you execute an extremis enemy, but this is only really good on the highest difficulties that spawn lots of high level enemies to heal off of. the most over powered weapon in the game is heavy's plasma, and then the power fist. but just use what ever you think looks cool or you like to use, you can do well with any weapon.

>>538063070
Capture circle? No.

>haven't played since 8.0
>trying Hard Strategem
>Neurothrope deletes everyone as people joins in at the first gate
>twice
Is the "skip everything" because of the Lictor? Is the Neurothrope at the hill crest after opening swap scripted or just bad luck? Is this skipable by pressing the gate button?
I didn't think I'd really need any warmups, this just feels a bit weird.

>>538038628
Back after a good nap. I think the benefit of a low cost build would be, depending on how many of those resources you had leftover, you could instead invest into team buffs. So let's say you're rocking a stock Battle Brother

>12 resources
Tacticus (2)
Bolt Rifle (2)
Bolt Pistol (1)
Combat Knife (1)
Frag Grenades (1)

You've used 7 out of the 12 resources, so with 5 remaining, you can instead invest in passively helping yourself, or the squad with perks of various power levels. These are purely examples, I find it much harder to weigh perks than weapons and armor.

>Per: Passively regenerate 1% of ammo every 2 seconds (2)
>Team: Resist a fatal blow once per mission and then heal to 50% HP (4)

>>538064701
I think the biggest problem is that the stupid lictor doesn't really despawn. It goes away for about 30 seconds then it's back jumping all over the place.

>>538064701
>Is the "skip everything" because of the Lictor?
no its because people are retards that try to speed run

>chaos power axe is a chainaxe
Nice. Actual chainaxe ever becoming an individual melee weapon deconfirmed then I guess.

so is the power axe good

>>538066564
Feels good and stylish to use, but it's a little simplistic, underpowered, and its gimmick move is just rendered unusable if you use the block variants since its tied to parries.

power axe would be really good if it did like 25% more damage and had an energy wave on its heavies like knife does

>>538067227
>>538067293
am i going to have to level is to gold and show everyone the chad way to use a weapon as usual? i was looking at the perks, what happens if you speak into continuous heavy spin attacks? can you one shot minoris?

>>538067436
The minoris take like 3 hits on the heavy attacks.

>>538067436
>continuous heavy spin attacks
90% of your hits will miss because the hitbox on the heavy attacks is REALLY bad

>>538067436
>The weapon is only good a relic
Sounds fantastic. Bravo Sabre.

>>538067801
That’s how every weapon has been from the start of this game’s launch

>>538068587
t. doesn't play the game

>>538068998
Are you retarded?

>>538069785
Have you played the game?

>marksman carbine is secretly the best weapon in the game
>they keep buffing it

axe feels like shit. feels like a bunch of the spinning knife moves that you avoid

>>538070649
Are you gonna try and pretend that the most common complaint about weapons in the first month or two here wasn’t “yeah it doesn’t get good until relic tier, you have to grind”

>>538071719
Powerfist vs Chainsword. Chainsword is awesome all the way to relic. Powerfist is a chore.

>>538070989
it really isnt

>>538070989
It's a Mini-Stalker. It's a fantastic high powered ranged option for Vanguard if you want to reserve grapnel launcher just for the AOE finishers. His access to the Inferno Pistol also covers your ass in horde situations.

>>538072493
i use it on sniper, never played the nig

>>538057007
The campaign is great. The online parts are bad (play HD2 instead)

>>538071607
>people criticising modders for just adding reskinned weapons
>Saber does the same
Just give the modders the source code this is embarrassing

>>538070989
I agree its fantastic but holy fuck is it annoying to use a semi-auto with a 40 round magazine

>>538072604
>Using the Marksman Carbine over the Stalker or Las on Sniper
I mean it's good, but not that good.

>>538062836
Thats just banter you retard. The actual update is fantastic and /hdg/ has been raving about it since it dropped. The game also went from 40k to 350k players.

>>538057007
It's peak 7/10, a good game marred by some questionable design decisions, but the gameplay loop keeps bringing you back.

The heroic knife is awful, you’d need closer to a 1000% increase to make the first light attack do real damage. It should have had a unique shadow stab that made you invis for free while charging it or something with a cool down so it can’t be spammed.

is there a vortex beast guide?

>>538073165
Heroic knife that has god-tier stats but it disables your primary weapon. Just a knife and bolt pistol against the world. Would've been kino.

>>538073001
its kino. this webm was before the buff. ill try it again after playing with the flamethrower

>>538074002
Can you share your sniper build with us, brother?

>>538074002
Sniper is why I think balance in this game doesnt matter
Shit is broken as fuck but nobody play him

>>538074402
this is my set up. i like instigator too, but its not as good as carbine, the only thing is has is armor on head shot kill. both instigator and carbine will cause your grenade every 30 seconds to go off compared to bolt sniper. i still take bolt sniper for boss arenas or to just have fun.

>>538075437
Thanks, brother!

>>538074793
He's a very painful class to level up, even moreso to Prestige. But almost every build he has is retarded strong.

>Las Fusil - Ammo Variant
>Max headshot damage
>Max ammo capacity
>Max charge rate
>+75% damage on cloaked headshot
>Equipment recharge

Fucking WALKS the game.

>>538076134
np, its the most annoying sound in the world though

I tell you what, boys, the flamer is fucking amazing. I think it may be the secret sauce to scare off the invincible lictor with all the DPS it can dish out with the damage over time. I refuse to call it the GW name because fuck them and their stupid copyright names. Can't wait to try the heavy flamer with Straban.

>>538077354
Just a shame it trades firepower for annoying fucking everybody. Genuinely flashbangs people so they can't react to enemy melee attacks.

lmfao

>>538077354
Heavy flamer is good but not as good as Tac flamer I feel
The flamer is amazing because you can light shit on fire and then lay into it with your chainsword, so you’re dealing damage over time on top of melee damage + being able to parry/block/whatever, especially if the have the weapon perk that makes you do +20% melee damage to burning enemies
With Heavy you can light stuff on fire but then you either have to try and smack them with the gun or stomp, which is poor damage even with the melee perks, or just shoot them with your sidearm
It’s still really good just not as good as what Tac can do with it

>>538078068
Tactical also runs faster even when hipfiring. Even that's a boon over Heavy having to slow down.

>>538037174
God, you gave me a flashback

Does anybody have the Heroic bolt pistol? I'm interested because every class can use it

>>538079708
I do. It's garbage. All the heroic weapons seem bad.

>>538078373
is there any point in aiming with the flamer

>>538079708
someone posted this. looks like they copy pasted the instigator shot pattern. you can click the normal bolt pistol faster

ive decided that im clearly not good enough to beat hard strategem and will make do with normal i guess.

funny how i can get the hard mode siege stud helmet but this is too much.

>>538080608
strategems are going to require actual teamplay or specific builds for them that are different from normal operations/siege mode builds
the skill of rollslopping and dropping meltas doesn't transfer to having entire mechanics radically altered

>>538079708
>>538079929
I go by rule of cool, it looks cool, so I'm going to get it first. Looks like an OG bolt pistol.

>>538080828
yeh.... so im not going to do that. I look at things from a time vs effort viewpoint and that 150 currency is not worth the time investment.

>>538080828
And it's also simply not fun

>PBQFX

Trying to beat Vortex on Absolute

>>538025185
This was true to a point for firstborn but primaris are all hyper specialized in certain roles as individuals.
Firstborn usually fought in each role over their service in the chapter but an intercessor is just an intercessor from graduation from scout to death.

>>538037174
For Honor General spiritually lives on in all Bulwark players

Is Pure Flame worth it? How much direct damage accounts for Pyrecannon anyway?

>>538066416
God I fucking hate us being primaris locking us to primaris weapons, the aesthetics are such a downgrade.

Alright, newfag here again >>538060651
For the campaign, any specific difficulty I should play on?
Does the hardest difficulty adequately prepare me for the multiplayer, or does it just make boss fights annoying?
In general, how different is the difficulty between the story mode, and the multiplayer? I'm obviously jumping into the campaign first so I know what the fuck I'm doing, but while I'm confident in my abilities, I'd rather not have boss fights turn into a slog. Again, assume I have no frame of reference.

>>538083073
You can play on the hardest difficulty you are comfortable with. If you run into problems and die, you can return to the base, change your difficulty and try again from the latest checkpoint (and not from the beginning of the mission).

>>538064701
The lictor is really weird, he tanks a FUCKTON, even auspex marked i gunstriked him 5 times and we fucking pummeled him as 3, i was using my beefed up power rakes, dude doesnt give a fuck, good thing is that his moveset is easy to read and he barely does the unblockable attack.

We need a lot more Stratagems like the Mission Timer and For the Emperor! = Attack Boost over shit like "this class is unplayable" and "dodging a ranged attack? Get fucked with some damage anyway."

>>538083073
Play it normal, the hardest difficulty in the sp is retarded, you have no perks or weapon tiers, every enemy is just a bullet sponge and the bots are useless, just play it normal and enjoy.

So the horned spawn have crab claws that are all about large delays between telegraphs and the actual swing with the leap and the clicking while the hornless, bigger winged ones have whippy tentacle arms for disjointed hitboxes
and also some kind of AoE blast thing that i'm not sure which one it belongs to
not too bad, they're relentless fuckers though

>>538083073
The campaign is just for familiarizing yourself with the basic mechanics, it's missing a lot of the content and depth of operations and it's maximum difficulty is two steps lower.

>>538083265
>>538083473
Alright, thanks for the advice, and yeah, that sounds about how I imagined it. I'll finish my food and then do normal to start with.

>>538083446
Why anon, don't you like playing with fog of war while the AI can shoot you from across the map?

>>538082480
While I know it is true it is still complete retardation. Real world militaries 'warrior' tiers ala non grunts are multi certified across all kinds of weird shit and are heavily encouraged to learn new non combat focused skills like mechanical engineering.

Even then there are Green Berets that served with mortar teams and others that speak 4-5 extra languages and only very particular forces like Navy Seals lack multi non combat related skills by doctrine.

Marines do not burn out in 20 years and should have extremely broad skill sets. I am not saying they should be able to build a titan from scratch but, again most of them come from chapter and legion cultures where combat was not even their main focus day to day. Black Templars are the exception and it is a lot of what makes them distinct to say Ultramarines that spend a fair bit of time governing and mediating, Fists building and organising, Salamanders actually crafting new gear and maintaining their own is a hop skip and a jump to vehicle repair and maintenance. After all you need to know how your enemies stuff works to be better at breaking it. Even Blood Angels pursuing art and culture while also hiding from the populace due to their time of the month and so on.

Primaris and their organisations is such a shit show

>>538083073
I recommend hard difficulty until you get to the last chaos missions and then switch to normal.
If you are playing friends, then +1 to the difficulty level or it will be likely way too easy (unless they are very unskilled/newbies too).

>>538083613
I mean, even original marines were required to serve as a tactical, devastator, and assault in order to progress to a higher promotion. There was no leader in any major chapter who didn't know the exact job of everyone under him. GW has just grown more pants-on-head retarded lately

Speaking of chaos spawn, I know it has been said before but I love the way it illustrates the scale between normal humans and marines.
>darktide characters have a chaos spawn bossfight, and while it's the small hp fight, he's still dangerous and takes a moment to put down
>my bulwark parries it twice and then throws elite hands to put it down as part of an execution in seconds
Playing darktide enhances the feel of power the space marines give, now especially with comparable enemies like chaos spawns. I just wish we didn't feel so flimsy at higher difficulties

Wow sniper vs chaos is absolute shit now because spawn take no fucking ranged damage.

>>538083973
the spawn in sm2 are clearly smaller than the actual monstrous infantry chaos spawn of vermintide/darktide

>>538082792
>On Heavy?
I would say so since its most of what you will be doing. I do not rate it on him. Heavies version should have twice the range or twice the stagger. He suffers from all video game 'balanced' flamers that enemies that should be crumbling into a puddle of flesh and molten metal or going insane from the pain are just going to gap close and chunk him. So now you are blind on a guy with the worst melee capability.
>On Tac?
You can just pepper for the burn then go ham in melee and wreck stuff. Focusing on DoT damage means you can kill Tzaangors with one puff and effectively ignore them otherwise.

This feels oddly familiar in this day and age

You should simply not be playing hard stratagems unless you are max prestige and running whatever your healing/tanky perks are. Crazy that they made something this hard for an otherwise casual shooter, but stay the fuck out if you are leveling anything.

>>538083446
Sadly there probably isn't going to be any changes

https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/forums/6-general/threads/48486-stratagem-modifiers-it-s-cohesion-all-over-again?page=1#post-229477

Non-stop cocksucking and people defending Saber for some of the most horrendous game modifiers I think I've ever seen

>Oh it's meant to be challenging
People don't seem to grasp the difference between challenging and cheap difficulty.

>>538080295
With Heavy, if you hipfire the flamer you get a wide, really short cone of flame that only goes like 6 feet
If you sight in you get a narrower, much longer range stream of fire
On Tac I can’t tell a difference between the hipfire or aimed fire yet

>try to melee enemy
>immediately launches into unstaggerable combo, have to back off and play simon says
>try to shoot enemy
>takes 5 trillion rounds to put them in stunned stance unless you're using one of the dev's designated good weapons

>>538084669
That doesn't magically make ranged spam on the hard weekly somehow less shit. I can solo Lethal, I struggle a little on solo Absolute but with a team I've never had a problem. This weekly is horrendous, I keep dying to Biovores and Zoanthropes hiding in the fog of war in a different zip code.

>>538084748
The best part is the "shroud of darkness" modifier is just the darkness effect from the tomb in obelisk copied and pasted. It's so lazy. Also the fact that everything gets that weird desync bug too on hard makes it really annoying.

>>538083936
It was;
>Scout - noobs who are just qualified to start
>Devastator - ok you have the 'gear' but no experience, hang back and support the guys that do and learn
>Assault - Critical close support but you are not leading from the front, yet
>Tactical - The start of veterancy and where you draw high ranking chapter members from
>Terminator - Usually very high veterancy, first company

Then it was just about chapter culture etc except BT/SW/DA e.g who all ignore codex organisation yet ironically still had similar cross skill and duty ranks where you are promoted to more responsibility based on capability AND experience.

Primaris by comparison are organised like the fucking separatists droids from Star Wars who are made for a roll and are physically incapable of anything else, Yet GW and BL writers insist Primaris are the IMPROVED version. it does make sense and Guilliman of all the characters in universe should have had a fit about it.

What a fucking waste of geneseed, time and material putting raw recruits (even if they are space marines) into roles they have not fucking earned, and can not perform properly. It stinks of refuse from 'modern' morality where the idea of merit is a heresy...

>inb4 muh Byzantine Imperium
No, fuck that. The Astartes are supposed to be apart enough from that shitshow in order to (barely) keep the Imperium alive. Its the Guard that makes do in spite of the Administratum.

I hate ranged terminators so much it's unreal.

>>538086497
Nigger they gave you the shield charge move for this specific scenario.

dont talk to me or my son ever again

>>538086760
I love that little backpack nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>538086643
Here's how that would play out
>charge at one terminator
>the one I charged does melee rocket barrage and chunks my health
>second one does ranged rocket barrage and chunks my health
>third one is still shooting me with his assault cannon and chunks my health
Have you forgotten ranged terminators just spam rockets on themselves when you get close most of the time?

I just noticed in the patch notes that the ABR was buffed an extra 20% damage. Is that enough to make it good?

>>538087034
lol no.
It has been buffed a total 120%+ since launch and its still shit.

>>538087034
>>538087124
>Auto Bolt Rifle:
>Base damage increased by 25%.
>Added damage falloff curve from distance. After 20 meters, weapon damage falls by 25%.
>Headshot damage coefficient increased from 1.15 to 1.25 for all versions.
Even after all this it's still shit? What about compared to a bolt carbine? It has higher pen and range.

>>538086643
>shield charge 1, maybe 2
>instantly does PBAOE cyclone missile spam while his buddies shove their soulreapers up your ass

>>538087550
The carbine is the only automatic bolter that is actually not horrible, it does decent damage at point blank if you only get headshots.

>>538087550
its fine if you also use +15% team perk

>>538087550
It still won't beat carbine but this is a change that it needed. Just get a little bit of everything from other bolt rifles. A bigger issue is of course it's perk trees.

>>538087550
It will never be good unless they allow ammo upgrades for bolters and even then it will not be allowed to be better than other bolters.

A real world example is the 9mm SMG. Very popular for decades - its pretty irrelevant now. The Auto Bolt Rifle has no niche and exists due to the Primaris shitshow.

>power axe heavy attack does as much damage as the light attack - if both hits hand
Man... What a doggy weapon

>>538086497
And this is why having gap closer melees is important (but you also need teammates to be alive for that kind of encounter).
It's pretty much game over or run for your life if you are the only one left.

The hard Vortex stratagem is simply not worth doing. none of them are really, 30 points per day is an awful incentive and people will not do these past the first few days post-launch.

>>538088216
Well.. yeah. Space Marines are wolfpacks. Not Rambo's like Custodes.

>>538088206
Don't use the heavy attack unless you need to break a defensive stance. The devs have had enough of people ignoring light attack combos so they made a weapon almost exclusively for it.

>>538088206
the heavy attack is for chaff clear, not single target

>doing pretty well in hard stratagem
>neuro shows up
>does the close range blast that you can't dodge if you're too close
>didn't realize it was doing it since it can range outside of the 30m draw-distance
>instantly downs me and another guy
Welp.

>>538088367
Maybe people would use the light attacks if they FUCKING DID ANY FUCKING DAMAGE.

>>538088342
>Not Rambo
Those are Catachans.

>>538085352
You’ve never been in the military and it shows

>>538088367
Problem is the heavy attack seldom lands both hits due to poor forward momentum, and the axe is very short. I also don't think making it deal as much as the sprint attack while having neither speed nor reach is the right call.

>>538077354
After testing, the flamer is the perfect counter to the lictor. Now I just need to survive the mission.

>>538088367
>The devs have had enough of people ignoring light attack combos
Have they considered buffing light attacks for other weapons instead?
Powersword is a great weapon, but only for heavy attacks and power whirls. Speed lights seem to deal zero damage for example.

>>538085352
Primaris are organized like great crusade era legions, where you had your line troopers (this time intercessors) and everyone else was a specialist in a separate unit.

>Vanguards or Bulwarks queuing the 'don't play this class' affix
>Bulwarks who are too cool to take healing banner
>Heavies taking ammo capacity perk on the affix that doubles ammo anyway
>Fresh players still leveling who don't even have a team perk
Here's your hardcore game mode, sir

>>538088416
Yep, welcome to why this mode is a joke.

>>538089745
This

If this were an intelligent dev, every single light chain from start finish should be able to 100-0 all Majoris enemies.

Chainsword 4-chain combo a Nid Warrior? Execute state on Absolute.

Heavy attacks should deal extra damage, yes, but should be primarily for breaking guard stances, interrupting enemy attacks, or dealing with groups. Light attacks should outright be superior in terms of single target DPS.

Pyrecannon is awesome against Tyranids, but against Chaos? Not so much...
Yes, you can kill the rabble, but you are better off taking Multi-melta/Plasma/HB against Chaos. And against the Chaos marines themselves it's pretty awful. It's hard to keep up the sustained fire that you can do much easier against Tyranids.

>>538088427
On axe, it does more than the heavy attacks at least, esp. with the perks.

>>538091358
The light attack deals 100% damage, like any other melee weapons. It's only the better option by comparison, but it's not good at all.

>>538091758
Yeah, but it's the best option if you want to use the axe.
I recommend waiting till they buff the damage and fix the Block axe riposte. Then it will be a much more formidable weapon that I'd use on the regular.

>Power Axe riposte puts you far enough away to always guarantee a grapnel after a gun strike
Alright, you can stay on Vanguard.

>>538092103
I love it against Carnifexes too. You can immediately do the riposte on the first swing. Normally you'd get immediately punished by the 'Fex for doing that, but since you are so far away, you'll just avoid it and can punish the 'Fex instead.

>>538086497
use the damage perk

>>538092103
>>538092475
>>538042982
WHAT NEEDS GRAPPLING

>>538092592
now try it against three spamming missiles at you alone

This is not winnable.

>>538093441
Yeah I gave up too, dailies roll over in a few hours thank god. I think the issue is that the map is too new, people are still learning it and the boss fight is hard no joke. Can't learn a map, new enemies, and a new boss on Absolute Plus difficulty. Perhaps in a few weeks it'll feel better.

>>538093841
What are you actually supposed to do for the vortex beast when he just jumps around like a retard and shoots orange lasers everywhere

>>538094240
Pray that you live

>>538093441
what does that mean? it only affects the vanguard class?

>Add melee chaos enemy
>Its attack pattern is janky and the indicators are comically off
>Add new chaos boss
>Trying to melee it during the half of the fight it spends putting on a light show will just outright kill you
Chaos might actually be even worse now that you have these gibbering hambeasts standing on your toes and getting in the way of dodging the ranged spam. Impressive.

Why does this shitass fuck game constantly disconnect

>>538094327
It means you are, for all intents and purposes, not allowed to play Vanguard. Bulwark has a similar stratagem active right now, I assume each class has one in the rotation.

They did this instead of making those classes fully disabled from queuing those stratagems, I'm curious why they didn't do that instead.

>>538094562
because someone will want to make some custom lobby where they run it anyways to show how good they are

>>538094412
The devs are genuine retards who went for the Elden Ring route of delaying attack so comically far back that the indicators are worthless.

Indicators should always be right as the attack is about to hit, and then just disable the damn blue indicator on Absolute. That way you can learn the attacks on lower diffs and then have to respond proper. Reds should be kept because they mostly signify ranged attacks that you often wouldn't eyeball while mid-fight.

Once people figure out Spawn attack patterns and get used to them, they’ll be much better received

Give Tactical the Axe!

>>538095269
Can they make it good first?

Do you guys play with Cross Play on or off? Why or why not?

>>538094863
Yep. They could also just play on lower difficulty so they get used to it's moves. They're really not that bad.

>>538095679
If I play with crossplay off I never get players so I just leave it on.

>>538095679
If you want to use an invite code you have to have it on. Otherwise I leave it off.

>>538095781
Yeah, I mean Elden-Ring tier delayed moves like the huge leap suck at first, but once you get used to it and you learn you can just magdump it for 4-5 seconds before the attack actually lands it’s a non-issue, same with the Ravener’s mega-delayed slither lunge

>>538094863
>most of the enemies in the game train to to watch for telegraphed attacks and react to markers on time
>chaos spawn either throw out constant attacks with no telegraphing or marked attacks where the markers provide no timing
It's bad game design primarily because it's inconsistent with the rest of the game.

>>538094412
nids confirm themselves as the best enemy yet again

>>538095974
The Ravener has had a mega-delayed lunge attack since day 1
If you parry on the blue indicator you’ll get hit by it
The Helbrute has similarly delayed melee attacks

>>538095941
Yea. I really like these fuckers. My issue right now is they're very dark so it's hard to see what they're doing at times, especially when there's a lot of them.

>>538095974
The blue light has never been an indicator for any timing. It's just an indication that the attack will most likely do heavy knockdown (except the sword of warrior back jump slash and one or two of the melee terminator attacks). The timing was always animation based.

>>538076440
If you pick max ammo you cannot pick rate of fire build

Space Marine 2 just loses the power fantasy of being a named Space Marine on higher difficulties.

>>538096793
The issue is there's no consistency. Either have the indicator at the start of the attack with a notable delay, or have it at the end right when it's about to hit. The entire purpose of the indicator is to give you an instinctive response "out" when you're knee deep in shit, but that's feel on its ass as more enemies have been added. The Enlightened Tzaangors are especially shit because they have a horrible mix of "on response" circles and "extremely delayed" circles.

>>538097136
Anon there are two +15% charge rate perks right there in the tree.

The max charge speed Las itself is dogshit, you're getting more brief DPS (overkill) at the cost of 12 additional shots. Meaning you also get way less ammo back from your sidearm over the course of the mission. The max ammo version when buffed to 30 rounds gets 4 shots back from a sidearm kill, the max fire rate version gets 2.

>>538096793
The blue indicator was always quickly followed by an attack by most enemies, not delayed by seconds.

No codes?

>>538097616
I’m gonna be entirely real with you
I just play with the discord
It’s better than randoms and it’s usually better and always faster than posting a code

>>538080608
>ive decided that im clearly not good enough to beat hard strategem and will make do with normal i guess.
Just get carried, happened to me.

You need a Vanguard with Extremis heal, no underleveled player and no Assault teammate PERIOD.

Tacticals need to spam auspex on the main Lictor especially if they can't parry and also carry Steady Supplies. Bulwarks need the banner heal. Bolters and sniper weapons are useless, all the Vanguards I've seen carry Melta rifles for shitter control and the Multimelta/Pyrecannon is useful for Heavies over the Heavy Plasma and Heavy bolter.

If you spawn double Terminus you're fucked and should reset.

speaking as an autist who beat siege to 25 with a br and a dadbro random, i can verifiably say hard stratagem is shit even after beating it because it has the same issue as late wave siege, you just run into too many fucking enemies to deal with at once at you can just be downright fucked if there's a particularly nasty combo of nidders around, and the lictor doesn't help at all while this happens

The only real difficulty in this game is playing it with bots and not being able to get yourself carried by 3 meta builds.

>>538090229
>Bulwarks who are too cool to take healing banner
On Absolute and Hard Strat they deserve to get kicked.
>Heavies taking ammo capacity perk on the affix that doubles ammo anyway
Much better perk over Bonds of Brotherhood.

>>538097616
Everyone beat Vortex and Hard already, if you still can't beat either with randoms stop wasting your time and just join up with the official Trooncord.

>>538090229
the lead designer on sm2 is a fucking retard but he was right about wanting to remove the healing banner perk.

>>538098189
You don’t need the ammo perk if the mission is giving you double ammo doofus
At this point you can spray at everything and not run out of ammo, the ammo perk has 0 value at that point

>>538097149
>>538098087
They need to add 2 more Space Marine teammates to compensate for the spawns

>>538098438
Oh if you're talking about the mutator dailies then you're right.

I never take off ammo capacity and haven't played that dailies.

Message combat is bad because the game rewards placidity

>Enemies become far less aggressive if you just stand there
>They won't start attacking for the most part until you start swinging/shooting

Turns the whole game into parry/dodge slop.

Vortex fucking sucks. It takes forever to get to your first ammo refill and chaos sucks in general

>>538098692
>message combat

>>538098816
map is simply too large and has too many segments
these slav devs keep pushing for longer missions when all people want is another inferno/decap for farming

Have the devs ever stated that chaos is supposed to be harder than tyranids? You compare chaos spawn to melee warriors and the power gap is insane.

Holy shit the Lictor on this week's Hard Strategem is a faggot

>>538099123
The devs do not communicate in any way other than the occasional vodka fueled schizophrenic ramblings of the lead designer, who never says anything logical.

>>538099123
Vatniks don't care about feedback and even complain when players easily beat their maps

They jacked off to players not beating hard Inferno

Should I take the chainsword first or is the combibolter the best first Heroic pick?

>>538099703
The chainsword is unspeakable garbage, the combibolter can't be as bad.

>>538099703
They are all bad. It doesn't matter.

Is dude wall still around, I would like submit my green marine.

>>538098087
The fact that the lictor can spawn during terminus fights and be a fourth extremis during a wave is the nail in the coffin.
>fighting neurothrope
>lictor spawns and chases you into the sphere when the neuro is doing the power waves
>knocks you outside and the wave kills you
I'm about at my wit's end with this.

>>538098975
New phone, autocorrect is doing my fucking head in.

>>538099962
WAAAAAAAAGH/10

>>538099787
Power sword is nice

>>538100018
It can and will also spawn on "safe" zones like the lift section and the safe rooms.

Anyone taking a wee and disappearing for a minute or two is at risk for a wipe.

They overtuned this Lictor, its a HP sponge that eats up too much ammo and focus firing for it to temporarily disappear only for it to reappear almost immediately again.

>>538100086
I wish tactical get the axe too to complete the set.

>>538100264
No. It would be nice if you could pick its defense type and it was at least 6 speed.

>>538100264
Too slow.

>>538100390
>its a HP sponge that eats up too much ammo
From what I've seen the flamer can scare it off, but the problem is it blinds everyone else in the process.

>>538100390
IMO the invincible Lictor shouldn't actually fight you, it should exclusively do the wall pounce grab and then fuck off for a minute or so when it's pushed off.

I've never seen a dev this shat on since HD2, Steam even banning pro-Ukraine drone bombing threats over these devs lmao.

>>538100747
>blinds everyone in the process
Not my problem
If you don’t know when to parry every enemy attack based on sound cues alone at this point you’re behind the curve

>>538101374
It's that frustrating middleground where the devs are on the brink of multiple really good ideas but fuck them up in the most dumb ways possible. You're left looking at a perfect gem get fucked up as its chiseled by an incompetent.

Pyre on Heavy is actually good, why are you guys saying it's shit?

>>538102443
Everything on Heavy is shit

>>538097249
It really isn't a big deal. Most enemies are predictable anyway.
>>538097554
Not really. You just have to learn each enemy's moveset. Its animation based.

>>538102443
because its a gun that wants to get into melee on a class that doesn't particularly like being in melee
of course its good everything on heavy is good (except the HBR lol) but that doesn't mean its great like it can be on tactical who can stack a DoT while also smacking in melee

I think I may be playing too much 40k.

>>538102487
>everything on heavy is shit
>>538102591
>everything on heavy is good
The dichotomy of /sm2g/

>>538101374
They had a year to figure out how to improve the combat and in that time they have done very little. They clearly have no idea what the actual issues are with gameplay or balance and the only way you arrive at that point is if you do not play your own game and rely on community feedback and pick rate vs win/loss spreadsheets.

This really should not be a shock to anyone. Game designers are typically completely clueless, but SM2 is more unfortunate by the devs also being Russian.

>Goaded my PS5 only friend to buy the game again on PC to play with our other mate

He is doing the tutorial mission right now

hehehehe no more pugs for me!

>>538082637
>>538037174
>>538079456
DAUBENY

>>538103759
RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH

Uhhhhh, why can't I get the modifier for the overhead slash and the move followup from back step power attack at the same time at max mastery points???? Is there a way to get the overhead slash at all without being the follow up from the back step slash of the axe?

stop bring Assault to Chaos. fuck the fuck off.

Just had some faggot yell at me for lagging behind as soon as I spawned into the game

>all of the Heroic weapons are bad
>hard stratagems are an overtuned untested dud with terrible currency rewards
>timegated acquisition
This patch sucks, nice anniversary vatniks

>>538105673
Well then catch up idiot damn

>>538102504
The timing for minoris leaps, tyranid warriors, rubrics and terminators all have blue markers pretty close to their actual attack, nothing has marked and unmarked attacks nearly as delayed as chaos spawn.

>chaos spawn winds up
>pause
>pause
>pause
>pause
>swings

>>538105954
>Morgot charging his stick bash attack

>>538105880
The Ravener being a notable exception of course

Who's ready to completely not touch the game when the friendly fire modifier comes on.

>>538106342
I have a World Eater fit ready for the occasion

>>538106342
Are you kidding? I’ve got a Marines Malevolent Heavy ready just for the occassion

>>538106342
[Laughs in Marines Malevolent]
>>538106453
Not Iron Warrior?

>>538105954
FOUL TARNISHED

>>538106240
Chaos spawn windup also has like twice the delay of the ravener slither.

>>538105880
>minoris
They have no timing at all. You can be as early or as late because they will enter a sync kill animation as soon as the blue marker shots up
>terminator
Which one? The gun one has a very fast attack after the blue marker. It's on the opposite end of something like the ravener
>ravener
Yes
>lictor
Has a very fast one if he ambushes you

My point is that it's all animation based. And it's true. Whether it's fast or slow is irrelevant - it's just to show you that the attack will likely knock you down. Just learn the timing, it's that simple.

>>538106240
but thats an extremis, relatively rare, not a basic mob, if the spawn was an extremis it wouldnt be worth complaining, special mob is special
>>538106915
except that that only works when its a one on one, if youre in a mosh pit and that attack is coming off screen you dont know if thats some tzaangor shank or rubic kick or its a chaos spawn leaping across the room. and this doesnt address the fact is has a lot more moves than a regular majoris move

>>538106915
>most blues indicate a heavy attack to follow shortly
Yes, that's my point.
Markers are supposed to draw attention to an enemy that's probably in a massive swarm is about to attack you. It's pointless if it's so delayed that a bunch of other enemies have time to throw out multiple attacks in the time it takes the marked enemy to attack.

>>538106845
Functionally irrelevant, you learn when the actual parry timing is based on the animation and magdump it until it lands in both cases
In the Spawn’s case you just get to magdump it for longer

>>538106342
Have faith "brother"

>>538107875
yes, but that only works if you can see the animation, not when its coming from off screen

>>538106342
>>538106716
>>538106757
You better fucking believe it.

lol

>>538108347
I agree, but I mean if it’s the spawn you’ve got 5 years to turn your camera around and look at it even if you parry when you see the blue indicator

>>538107195
That issue is the same for all factions. The problem is poor positioning. You want to keep enemies all on your screen. Sure the spawn has a problem where when there are a lot of them it's hard to see what's going on, so they might change their spawn rate, but the fundamental problem is poor positioning.
>>538107801
And my point is whether it's shortly or not-so-shorting after is irrelevant, because you know they are attacking and that's plenty enough. It's seriously as simple as recognizing the type of attack learning the timing.

>>538109781
none of this addresses the problem

>>538109781
>The problem is poor positioning
The system was made specifically so that you could react to enemies without seeing them but saber sucks at implementation. That's why minoris out of your field of view leaping at you still make a blue marker and can be immediately parried.

Is it just me or are the early waves of Hard Siege hitting way harder?

>>538110084
Because the problem is skill issues when it comes down to it. I didn't want to say it but your complaints regarding when the blue mark shows up is nothing more than that. It's poor timing and poor positioning. You could say yeah the spawn is hard to see in the dark and when there's a lot of clutter and I'd agree, but that complaint of blue marker is simply a skill issue.

>>538110404
Yea, there are only 1-2 blue marker attack variation from enemies as well. They usually the easiest attack to parry usually.

>>538110404
no, because thats inconsistent with the rest of the game, if the game tells you to go left 99% of the time, why would you assume to go right at the end

>>538110404
What's the point of the blue marker if it doesn't indicate an incoming attack?

>>538108436
He looks like he kills Salamanders

>>538110750
Well, we're all bleeding today, brother. And those civilians had it coming.

>>538110603
>>538110698
Are you arguing this from the perspective of a brand new player or a veteran? Cuz sure, I wouldn’t blame the new player, I’d blame the devs, for them being caught off guard by an attack not matching the blue marker, but a veteran just learns the animation and when to parry. The veteran has no excuse.

>>538110698
But it does?

Anyone else having issue where their power axe doesn't gain EXP?

>>538110603
Because I play the game and I know it has nothing to do with the timing for my parry or dodges. Seriously, how many hours are you in that this is an issue?
>>538110698
But it does so what's your point

>>538111570
3-5 business days later in the chaos spawn's case

>>538111570
It indicates an incoming attack no better than the mere existence of the enemy being an indicator it will attack you at some point.
Yes, obviously the chaos spawn over there is going to attack me eventually, I know that, the blue marker being so disconnected from when it attacks defeats the point of the blue marker.

>>538111835
it's crazy you can parry immediately, realize it was a chaos spawn, wait through the recovery period, then parry again succesfully, the windup is so long you won't get punished.

>>538112034
Yeah, it seems like a badly designed moveset, especially for this game.

>>538111830
>>538111417
are you retarded, because you dont seem to understand what the problem is

>>538112034
It almost seems bugged, and something that would have been addressed had this been on the PTS first. Would not be surprised if the blue flashes are patched in the future.

>>538112413
The problem is it's not a problem for everyone. Are you autistic? Why don't you show us which attack you have problem with then?

>>538112413
It’s not a problem for anyone who’s seen the attack more than 5 times, which means it’s not a problem period
Delayed attacks are not inherently a nad thing regardless of what you read on /erg/

>>538113135
>>538114570
>arbitrary inconsistent game design isn't bad
guys
>so what if it renders the mechanic pointless
You should work at saber.

>>538082480
Primaris™ still can change equipment, still are trained in a variety of weapons and start as Scouts. In campaign last mission Titus considers deploying in Gravis™ armor. And during one of the earlier ones in idle talk one Marine reminds another to take a flamethrower with him. Intercessor™ Marine can take plasma and join Hellblaster™ Squad or Infernus™ Squad or any other as needed. This is why we have "Tactical" as a class here instead of all those Aspect Warriors. Marine could start combat as an Aggressor™ in Gravis™ and then as his armor take damage he could strip into Tacticus™ configuration and then into Phobos™.

Lore issues are nonissues at all. All that is really needed is a character selection tab above classes. So you can simply choose if you want to play as Straban or Decimus and then separately select a class. Low effort solution would simply disable some voice lines. Higher effort one would make few separate banter options. Like teammates bullying Deciums if he is forced to be an Eliminator™ while he seethes about being forced to be far away from melee.

The distribution and balance of these modifiers is psychotic.

>>538115440
It’s inconsistent because the timing of when the attack actually lands varies per attack? That’s wild, to get rid of inconsistency across the board they should make every enemy attack have the same timing, same range, and same damage. Actually get rid of unblockables entirely, that’s too inconsistent. Boss mechanics will have to be reworked, the Carnifex melee swings should all have the same timing so they’re not inconsistent. Also our weapons too, we should probably have every gun do the same damage so they’re all consistent. After all, inconsistency is an inherently bad thing, and we shouldn’t cherry-pick and should get rid of it wherever we find it.

>>538115826
The majority of blue markers appear immediately before a parryable heavy attack, the tutorial basically trains you to reflex parry on blues with warriors and hormagaunts.

>>538115826
You are extremely disingenuous or extremely stupid.
You should work at saber.

If unmarked attacks can be heavy hits that hurt just as much as marked attacks and blues also are not a reliable timing indicator then they're pointless.
There just shouldn't be blue markers at this point, only reds.

>>538115791
>to take a flamethrower
James Workshop, your Pyreblaste™r?

It's annoying to learn on the spot but aside from that I don't really know why you would want blue to be an auto-timed parry every single time. It turns it into a QTE.

would you prefer anything not auto-timed to just be an unmarked attack?

>>538116515
The blue markers actually just serve to obfuscate that other attacks can be parried as well. Several of the people I've played with have found out through me verbally telling them, not through the gameplay itself.

>>538085352
For most chapters, assault comes before devastator. Basically a way to let the new recruits finally let out their anger and weed out the ones that are too reckless. Then devastators, to teach them patience and restraint.

>>538117245
You sure? Pretty sure its the other way around with only certain rowdy chapters going Assault first. Marines learn by watching their seniors so the natural starting point is Devastator.

terminator armor is unfathomably uncool outside of the space hulk setting where part of the coolness is it seeming like kind of a shitty option against such an extremely mobile enemy that kills you instantly regardless

>>538117406
>>538117245
>>538085352
Progression between roles varied by chapter.

>>538117406
I'd have to double check my old DA codex when I get home I guess
But that's story I've laid to memory at least

>>538115948
But there were always exceptions? Ravener? How about the lictor who's attack is literally like frame 8? Are those not exceptions enough for you? For real this is a non issue.
>>538116082
Skill fucking issue. Get fucked.

>>538117410
I disagree.

>>538117410
you are unfathomably gay

>>538118234
and then the guy takes off his helmet and reveals his disproportionate, nonsensically tiny head

>>538083073
I don't think the game does a great job of teaching you the mechanics unless you're already used to vaguely similar games. Even max difficulty in SM2 campaign is pretty consistently fair and do-able if you understand how the game works but there are things that will feel weird at first

Fucking hell, I can't go through one operation without crashing. The game cocks up even when I'm editing my marine. What's up with this vatnik coding?

For the love of god somebody carry me through the hard mission. I've been trying literally all night and we all die before we can even get the melta charges planted in the hole. That was the furthest I ever got.

>>538118887
What region

>>538116904
The point of attack markers is to tell you what you need to dodge and alert you to attacks outside of your field of view.
For markers to adequately serve the purpose of alerting you to offscreen attacks all marked attacks must either have a long enough windup to redirect your attention or the marker must appear within the parry/dodge window.

>>538118350
rule of cool lil bro
no one cares, it's fucking 40k

>>538119215
that's the point man
calgar doesn't look cool he looks like a cosplaying kid
tac marines look cool

>>538119256
>looks like a cosplaying kid
you're playing a videogame ad for a kids toyline.

>>538119420
good thing I didn't think terminator armor looked cool as a kid

>>538118110
>there are exceptions
>the game asks you to do the opposite of what it trained you to do in the first place
Yeah, that's called bad game design. In this case because it's inconsistent.

>>538026403
This is all of /vg/, content gamers don't come to 4chan

>>538118935
I'll have to do it tomorrow, but US east. I've tried for the past four hours and I've got nothing.

>>538119523
>the game should only ever present the exact same situation to you and never put a variation on it under any circumstances or it's buh buh bad game design
sounds fucking terrible

it's rough for a game like this but only because the difficulty model of absolute (which seem like afterthoughts in general to a degree) is "don't take hits at all" so learning how the new enemies operate differently is game-losing trial and error

>>538119523
>THIS specific type of inconsistency that I don’t like is bad because I say so
>every other type of inconsistency is fine because I say so
Cherrypicking

>>538116082
It’s called Reductio Ad Absurdum dingus
If your argument falls apart because of it (it does) then your argument doesn’t hold any weight

>>538119769
Learning how they fight is irrelevant. Explaining things to you is painful.
What do you think blue markers are for? The point is blue markers serve no purpose for a variety of reasons.
There are unmarked attacks that hit just as hard as blues so blue markers are not useful for indicating heavy attacks.
Most blue attacks come out immediately after the marker, some come late, the chaos spawn's comes ridiculously late. So they're not useful for indicating timing.
If the timing isn't tight then it's also not a good marker for an enemy winding up in a crowd.
These problems combined also makes blue markers bad at indicating attacks coming from enemies you can't see.
But the developers clearly originally intended that markers cover all of these points, they just don't play their own game and can't design a coherent combat system without the hands on experience they don't have.
Chaos spawn simply highlight how dysfunctional the marker mechanic is with their extremely unusual and overtuned moveset.

>>538120353
>every other type of inconsistency is fine because I say so
Point to the post that says this.

>>538120451
It's creating a strawman and disingenuously arguing a different point.

>>538120653
spawn also has too many moves, one of them needs to be trimmed, between the succ, thunderclap, and the smoke screen which can go into 3 other moves

If saber added a blue attack that was actually an unblockable dodge would it not be a problem since you could just learn the moveset and react accordingly?

>all balanced
No fuck off devs, the only balanced weapon I can tolerate is the fist because it can still one shot with the follow up and gives me a safety net against multiple lictors which I find very uncomfy to fight with the block fist.

>>538120653
I just don't practically find it to be an issue most of the time. There are already exceptions to the "blue is an instant attack" 'rule' at launch, and having timing variety between enemies is easily more worth preserving than turning the game into a reaction QTE. The blue light says "there is an attack coming, watch out" and that's all I really need it to do 9 times out of 10.

>>538121431
>The blue light says "there is an attack coming, watch out" and that's all I really need it to do 9 times out of 10.
And this is worthless because there are plenty of unmarked attacks of equal severity.
The attack marker system is fundamentally broken. Blue attacks should just not be marked.

Also you know that if an enemy launched into a delayed attack WITHOUT a blue marker people would be bitching about that too- and if you gave it a unique marker, there wouldn't be any point to having a delay.

It just seems like a nothing complaint to me. MAYBE you could give a unique marker specifically to minoris jumping from offscreen since that just homes in on you from five miles away.

>>538121665
>Also you know that if an enemy launched into a delayed attack WITHOUT a blue marker
Enemies already do this.

>>538121772
as a starter? The chaos spawn combo followup where he stands there, twiddles his thumbs, flexes his claw then swings comes to mind but I dunno

>>538121990
The webm posted above demonstrates a standalone unmarked lictor attack that is over two seconds long before impact.
Gaunts have a highly delayed unmarked attack.

Which secondary weapon has the highest gunstrike damage?

>>538122326
heavy bolt pistol iirc

>>538122326
wrong question. You're looking for plasma pistol, which doesn't have the highest gunstrike damage, but due to AoE deals more total damage than other pistols.

>>538122161
okay, but the spawn literally has the indicator time out and for a full 1 or 2 seconds before it actually hits you

>>538122514
No, I'm looking for which secondary weapon has the highest single target gunstrike damage.

>>538122684
Yes?
?

>>538122693
i think the general perception is that the HBP's damage boost isn't big enough to justify it

This really opened my eyes on how fucking bad the player base is.

>>538121075
>the succ
>tyranid warrior red pull attack just pulls you in without doing damage
>chaos spawn red pull attack pulls you in and takes most of your health through armor
This enemy is obscene.

>>538123395
you forgot the part where its wide as shit
and im pretty sure the whip does damage

>>538123357
>the quote is "with great power comes great responsibility"
>don't give any power
>don't give any responsibility
>just increase the incoming damage by 300%
>healthbar is not linear so hp doesn't matter anyway
what did saber mean by that

>>538122693
okay, have fun playing the single target shooter game.

i think it's true that balancing weapons with absolute in mind would fuck with campaign, which has low majoris/extremis enemy counts compared to it from start to finish and you have no real need at all to instagib majoris
perhapsably you just balance campaign and PVE separately pretty sure they already do that anyway. would making absolute its own ecosystem be too severe? desu I think this game's combat systems are kinda fucked for extreme enemy counts in general, kinda turns into parry sim any way you slice it

>>538124334
you just buff the variants, the campaign doesnt use them

>>538120653
Blue attack are mostly gap closer attack from the enemy. They indicate that enemies that were way out of range will try to jump attack onto you

>>538124565
Plenty of unmarked attacks do that too.

>>538124334
Campaign and operations already have wildly different balance due to the lack of weapon quality, no fencing and blocking, and many weapon types not being present.

>>538119420
>children's book
>look inside
>Entire story is a Necron curbstomp, with one of the protagonists dying

>>538124565
One of the warrior's blue attacks does precisely the opposite of that.

Looking at the heroic leather gloves, they're too thick to be worn alone.
They're leather gloves purpose made to be worn over power armor.
That's extremely silly.

bruh

I will NOT play on ballbuster mode solo just to get the xenophase a week earlier.

>>538125739
that's perfectly reasonable.

>>538124970
I said most, the double warrior backdash swing is the only exception, but maybe because the start up animation is not clear without the blue

>>538123625
The whip pull does two armor pips but close to zero health damage.

>>538124970
>>538125990
It is the only exception but it is perfectly acceptable as an early parry catcher because the pattern is recognizable with only a single attack happening at first. That first attack is enough to get the player's attention, so it is now on him to watch the warrior for its backstep windup.

i like playing UBGL, should i still take acuity over extra ammo?

flamethrower (both) fucking SLAP and the people now learned to just light dudes on fire and then melee, devs should do something about the visibility dough