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>Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread?
Generally yes, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too
>Is Elin/Elona allowed?
Yes, they are roguelikes. Please do not post your Little Sister farms
>Is Dwarf Fortress allowed?
If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though
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If you use
>Pugilism
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>Master Repulsion
>Roil
>Grave Chant
In Achra your win doesn't count

>>542942008
Please, let's keep the "you didn't beat the game" memes out of /rlg/

You guys don't like the rougelikes I like... maybe its coz they're likely roguelites

>>542930469
>tried digging the trenches for log walls because thats all the material i had on hand to contain the tear
>get one half built before the monsters coming through got annoying and i was beat to shit
>decide to use the remaining planks to board up the windows
>a flaming eye sees me as im boarding up the last one
>book it out the back door as they smash windows and walls
>spend the night in the gas station down the road
would have 100% died if it wasnt getting dark out as i ran
shit is beyond fubar but i got guns and ammo on me

>>542944647
That's not your city anymore, that's their city. Time to go hunt down an augmentation clinic or whatever kids do for fun

if you use the long ponty stick or the quarterstaff in cataclysm, you didn't beat the game

>>542930469
>yeah you need to leave the reality bubble, it can't spawn shit if it's not on screen
>>congrats you got an eternal monster spawner now that you cant get rid of
is there really no way to close portals? i remember hearing you can use an artifact to do that, but i never did that.

if ya'll ain't playin a transgenderedfolx in cataclysm you didn't beat the game

>>542949517
The Blob says ... trans lives matter, black lives matter, free Palestine/Kaya and if you don't agree I'll send my fursuit zombies after you.

>>542947561
>scouted around in the dawn light
>like three star vampires and two eldritch hunters near the portal
i think youre right
shit is past the point of no return
>>542948975
>i remember hearing you can use an artifact to do that
i would kill to know if it exists

>dda
>car now auto-drives faster than 12mph (up to 40 it seems)
finally. i was told this was impossible by devs
>you can now trade from your car.
all the stuff in your vehicle storage shows up in the trade screen. it shows up twice if you're standing on top of the storage when you open a trade

I literally cant stop tabbing

found a small engine block on the road, dissassembled it for the steel chunks for my anvil and put the leftovers into an ironshod quarterstaff
I need to find more steel to finish assembling the rest of the easily accessible tools
items I need: either survival 4 for bog iron -> steel or just more steel lying around, maybe I can bait some zombies into smashing this hippy van...
I should make a smoking rack so I can cure these pelts easier
there's a grinning coyote near the closest source of water/salt water
at least I have a large clay jug (150 units) worth of both so I won't die of thirst but damn that's annoying

>>542949517
you can just... change gender [sic] with 'y' from the character screen. why would you want estrogen pills when you can just do that?

>>542944493
I like crimson. It's very rouge-like.

neat, dda has highways now

>>542958828
because their fetish isnt to be a woman, its to be a woman as a man

>>542961539
woah cool

and here we go, three bone flutes later and I have four survival, which is enough to autolearn this
should be enough to build enough of a toolkit to disassemble the nearby hippie van enough to replace the broken pieces of this RV I found and move my bed and kitchen closer to my work area lol

>>542964613
God, that looks awful.
Here's some dead guy's basement, I just disassembled everything in it because I'm waiting for the sun to go down so I can haul his eight solar panels (and all the scrap from all his electronics, I guess) four city blocks over.

...I'm fucked as far as installing them till I remember where I saw those Hi-Voltage Proof quality gloves though, I think, that's kind of a bitch.

Maybe I'll try a poverty woods run next- It feels like I'm not powergaming by any means, but still. Honestly, I'm lucky to have my head above water. I should probably just move to a better house instead of installing these solar panels at the first base I established.

>>542965970
electronics are great but yeah the poverty woods run is comfy
there's very little you actually need from civilization to go from zero to hero, although you can certainly speed things up with some choice finds, and I could never give up vehicles
especially tailoring, you can completely skip tailoring in the early game if you raid cities which is too convenient

>>542961539
it's pretty cool how you can just take the highway and travel hundreds of overmap tiles. it autodrives through the highway weaving through the cars, autodrives over the bridges (overpasses), takes ramps on and off.


>>542966153
what are you doing for food?

>>542970471
wolves killed like fifteen dogs and then I killed the wolves and I found a butcher knife and a pot
I could have crafted both a butcher knife and a pot before running out of protein bars if I wanted to but scavenging them out of the city was easier and I found a backpack and food that gave me a morale bonus doing that so it was worth it

>>542966153
can you really skip it? if you don't get any tailoring, you won't be able to repair your gear. And the kind of stuff you get in cities isn't useful for much more than staying warm... you won't find a kevlar vest or leather-padded pants.
>>542970593
isn't butcher knife a pretty advanced recipe?
in any case, i think there's a poverty woods mod called innawoods. i haven't tried it before, so maybe i should.

>>542971509
>isn't butcher knife a pretty advanced recipe?
it is currently day 4
I will have the leather patches by tomorrow if I rush for them (I won't)
>can you really skip it
until you have fabrication 7 to make a sewing kit, yeah

>dda got rid of lard
fuck. that was such a good food.

>>542971676
that's crazy you have an anvil, flatjaw tongs, swage & die, metalworking chisel, and it's only day 4.
>sewing kit
i think you can make most recipes with a bone needle

>>542972219
many things are possible when the game isn't trying to be completely unfun

>>542972219
>i think you can make most recipes with a bone needle
the better tools give better results and make the early tailoring levels a lot less painful

>>542973960
better results how? aside from repairs

>>542974340
yeah, repairs

>>542972219
I'm rapidly realizing I don't want to go back from BN.
What's the point of butchering a giant freak creature if I can't render his fat into lard and cracklins and pemmican and all kinds of breads and cookies and cakes?
Just how long do they think a full grown adult human's worth of meat should last?

>this triggers the worm girl

>>542974428
you don't understand. that sounds awesome. someone might feel threatened. that's problematic. have some estrogen pills and birth control instead

>>542971676
>"hot gripping" instead of "tongs"
What's next, are they going to rename the "anvil" quality to "surface"?

>>542980482
there's already a surface, anon.
nta but i prefer "hot gripping 2" and "grinding 4" to "flatjaw tongs" and "angle grinder"

>>542982032
Couldn't it just be "tongs 2" though?

>>542949517
"Caution: Do not take if male."

>>542974428
Realistically it'd last around a month if the guy weighs an avg. of like 50kg

Is there any reason NOT to swap out my SUV for a humvee?

>>542972219
>Lard is a copy-from of tallow which does nothing. This is both good because indeed lard is "pig tallow" and bad because it introduces a looooot of redundancy, duplicate items, duplicate recipes, confusion across the entire codebase etc.
noooo not my free shit!!!! im going back to baby nights for all my free mutations and cbms and food and shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>542989224
once more the broken crafting system strikes.
It doesn't even make any sense, they've already moved from direct references to the tools with shit like "hot-gripping 2", they could easily do the same with the ingredients and solve the whole problem.
Just make the recipe use "untainted fat" and have lard/tallow/etc... just be tagged with it.
Or do the opposite and pare down items to generics and have then just use different names based on origin, so for example all types of fat are just "fat chunks" but if you get them from a pig they're called lard.

I know a guy who's contrarian like that on the internet
even his friends don' know if that's just his level of brainrot or if he gets his rocks off with it but they're both horrible outcomes with no redeeming qualities whatsoever

>>542991701
>if you make fun of my idiocy then you are a contrarian (le bad)
>only type characters with a circle above them
I am coming for you, janny.

>>542948975
afaik there's a single use artifact to do that in CDDA but Kevin is a fag who hates being able to identify artifacts so its just pure RNG if you get rid of a tear or smite yourself with fire and lightning

Did bright nights die off or what

>>542988024
There's no reason not to remove those seats in either one, as far as I can tell.
Captcha: Ork Hp
(I saw a guy was working on adding some 40k to BN using the old psionics stuff for psykers)

>>542994402
I'm wondering about 5 width vs 4 width and if the diesel consumption will be too much. I already think that the SUV uses too much gasoline.

>>542999236
I was thinking that the width might be a concern too desu, but... Yeah, probably. There's plenty of atomic cars around, why not salvage some plutonium and reactors?
I don't figure you need all that space anyways.

When I play the CDDA and the game tells me my survivor tamagotchi is doin good it helps me focus on eating well and going to sleep at a good time in my own life.

Any roguelikes for that feel?

>>543002293
i always remember to take my multivitamins when i play cataclysm

Sometimes I wonder if there really is a roguelike for that feel, like for each feel there must be a roguelike for it. Like rule34

>>543002293
>Any roguelikes for that feel?
C:BN

>>542936231 (OP)
Oh it's really nice to see one of my wins on the OP!
Thank you

I'd like to reaffirm the effectiveness of Tengu Peltast of Apohis.
It's my third win on a row using prestiges that I had never tried before.
And this time I did get to BTFO the astral dungeon boss!

i feel the inside of yo momma's pussy. with my dick.
roguelike for that?

>>542944493
There are four conditions to roguelikes
>Grid based
>Turn based
>Combat takes place in the same map in which you move, without a separate screen
>RNG content (items, enemy placement, terrain, etc.)
If all four are true then the game is a roguelike. If one or more are false then the game is not a roguelike.
simple as

It needs atomic turns. Sub-atomic/Molecular turns will make it not a roguelike.

ONLY TYPE CHARACTERS WITH A CIRCLE (kaykl) ABOVE THEM

>>543001298
nearly all the cars are totally wrecked with my loot settings. just getting this one was a rare find. i've seen some atomic cars but they're all trashed.

>all that space
honestly, i wouldn't mind moving all my loot onto my vehicle and living like a nomad. I've never really done that before while having an NPC follower.

Is Ninja Gaiden a roguelike?

>>543005205
>Difficult as fuck
>Turn based (game runs on frames, 1 frame = 1 turn)
>die a few times and have to restart the level (basically the same as restarting the game on level 6)

rogue liku nearly confirmed

>>543004553
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>>543005403
>turn based
>but no atomic turns
not a roguelike

>MDFw^Elv at the bottom of Lair, just found the autumn katana(+8 anuto manifold assault)
Should I train longblades and swap to this thing?(I've got 14 maces and a +1 venom flail and a +1 heavy war axe)
I've been trying out detonation catalyst and it apparent;y combines with MA so I thought that might be interesting, but I dunno about spending that many skill points when I already have something usable.

>>543013096
It's a bit hard to switch into Long Blades as a Dwarf since they have -1 to it, but your current weapons are pretty bad and that one is pretty good. Consider keeping it in case you find a Long Blades manual so you can switch without wasting a lot of exp, since Forgewrigth has to use exp on a lot of skills already.

>>543013096
If a +1 venom flail is your best mace right now then it might be worth swapping. Hard to say for sure because I don't know if you have a good spell to train instead. Going into lair branches with just a +1 venom flail is kinda shitty so if the autumn katana is the best thing to put your XP into then it's not a terrible idea.

>accidentally leave my safehouse door open
>stay inside reading a book
>grab my cellphone for a second
>eyebot wanders in
>game does not pause or go into safe mode because they're not aggressive I guess
>eyebot orders me to drop my weapons a bunch of times
>finally realize what's happening
>stop reading and kill it
>start hearing noises outside
>eyebot spawned some 15 riot control and police bots outside my safehouse

That was fucking intense. I managed to John Wick my way out and wreck them but holy fuck. What's something useful to do with 15 broken robots just outside my crafting spot?

>>542988024
the humvee is really really wide

>>542994169
I'm playing it right now and blogging about my new character in this thread?????

>>543014373
Alright I'm down to spider 2 and I'm getting assraped here. I've spammed Elvy down to the point I can't heal myself anymore, like two dozen selfheals from fucking ord spamming motherfuckers and pharoah ants.
I don't know if I can keep this up I'm getting killed here.
I found acq and read it and got fucking 600 gold.
I have all the level 9 spells but not a single forgecraft one, barely got ogrebs online but no ignitte poison, also not a single fucking shield in the entire game so far.

What should I do about this?
Try Elf? I've got will++ and if I swap a ring I can have rF+++, though I'd have to go down to 3 Dex for it(does that matter?)

>>543016257
take them apart, you can strip the frames for superalloy if you're playing a good fork

>>543017378
Focus all of your training exp to Alchemy and get Olgreb's to castable range. That shit will clear Spider easily alone.

>>543017378
just pacify the spiders?????

4th win on a row
This build is getting me all the lightning prestiges

>>543018512
I got it working but the masses aren't really an issue, it's just the big guys.
>go down stairs
>cast olgreb
>4 OODs
>go up stairs
>1/4 health remaining
>get followed up stairs and am now surrounded
>can't summon anything, can't run
>spam heal self and OTR untilk space is made
>run away spamming golems until everything chasing me is dead
>repeat five times
>I have now cleared one downstair into spider 2

>>543021090
Always try to alternate the stairs you're going down if one set of them are clogged, that will give you enough space to fight one on one if you get one of the OoDs upstairs with you.

And I'm dead. I simply could not kill fast enough to stay alive.
I blame having no shield, nothing better than chainmail, nothing better than a fucking +1 flail, and no offensive spells besides OTR.
Really I should have just gone to Elf I don't see how it possibly could have ended up worse and I might have actually gotten some fucking equipment!

>>543021818
Yeah bad move on my part but they were all in the middle of a giant room with a billion enemies. It would have been amazing OTR fodder if I had enough defense to last even a single turn before having to run away, I could have killed the entire level at once.
But even the 9 who came up were enough to trap and finish me off.

it's coming along

>>543019219
You can probably do almost any prestige if you're just blasting them with 8 Herja attacks per action from max range. Herja working on ranged weapons is one of the more broken things in Achra since it always does damage even if your attack misses, and you stack up a ridiculous number of attacks with more levels.

>>543003970
You sound like you're enjoying laying with women, big guy.
Surely you don't sell crack to middleschoolers just to be a faggot?

>>543018351
>you can strip the frames for superalloy if you're playing a good fork
Aw fuck, that reminds me, I took a dead robot and scrapped him halfway across town in the middle of a zombie horde without realizing that I was turning one wieldable corpse into 900 pieces of metal.

...Still, shit ton of metal. I should go check that out. Or just break into the firehouse near me and go on a murder spree. Firefighting Robots just hose you down, right, that's not dangerous is it? :^)

>>543017378
You should've had Olgreb's up by Lair desu, damn boi. Gish is one thing but don't multiclass too damn hard.
You're spamming +Inv in Lair, right? Training Evo/Invo feels bad but still

>>543029409
I haven't ran into any of those before, I assume you can just hose em down with a coilgun or smash em with a quarterstaff

>>543030043
I'm more of a Point Flare em or Archery Fag em kind of guy- It's remarkably freeing just wearing a fencing suit and a 60 encumberance retard backpack that I never have to take off.
Never seen a coilgun, but I assume it mulches robits

>>543030295
you can craft it
it shoots nails, which have 12 damage, 9 pen, and 3 range
all told that's three rounds of 27 stab damage and 29 armor pen at range 15 per trigger squeeze as long as you can keep feeding it UPS power, which will mulch most things but is especially effective against anything with armor

>>543029409
>Firefighting Robots just hose you down, right, that's not dangerous is it? :^)
I think it does torso damage like how the riot control bots do

Is it me or has DDA been very choppy recently? Even from day 1 the game has some strange slowdown when moving across the map. TLG and BN never get like this, even far into a run.

>>543029553
I got it castable fine, I preskilled 8 alch hoping to pick it up. I just barely found it in Orc:2. I also got to 8 inv too, never failed a single heal, only finally died when I got trapped and raped to death unable to do anything but spam heal wounds every turn until I ran out of piety and couldn't cast it anymore.

My verdict on Elv: really unimaginably strong and useful, but only to sustain, it can keep you going so long as you're making steady progress(like using OTR to poison everything to death) but it can't save you if you get cornered.
I think next time I'll go with Zin, not as spammable but for example I would have EASILY walked away from that gangbang with a single sanctuary whereas not even 20 heals could save me.

I'm also considering switching to axes instead of maces next time, single target is nice but the real sticking points are when I get stuck surrounded and can't summon anything anymore.

>>543032472
I heard it was the LITERAL FUCKING DUST SIMULATION that causes that.

Arsonist finished. Phoenix can just put Scorch on everything for free and I stack dexterity purely for defense and Albaz heal on prayer. Would love to have more willpower but I would burn myself to death with Phoenix passive.

"God this guy is having terrible luck, I'll just do an MDFw run and see what happens"
>First run gets unlucked by a hob and salamander as the first pack, whiff all three shots and literally get two shot with no room to kite for mana
>No worries, happens to best
>Second run ends in D:8 with Maurice, Amemenon and Joseph all waking up around the same blind corner when Blazeheart explodes against a bear
>Couldn't make it to the stairs without getting slung to death, TP took too long

Fuck, if anything half the trouble with it is that I have to wait 4 turns + the summons deciding to walk over and actually fight
I mean, sure, theoretically the Blazeheart can walk up and fold Sigmund's laundry with him still in it (one tapped, ay yo) but... Ah, hell. Almost had Plasma Beam castable too, that'd've been fun.

>>543033091
If you kill things in less swings that also stops you from getting surrounded. I think your real problem was just killing things too slowly, which would be the same if you had a trash axe. The big tanky scorpions and such in Spider have like 20 AC and will screw you if you try to hit them with a bad weapon. A +1 flail is REALLY bad at that point in the game.

>>543030684
Fuck this gay earth

>>543034212
yeah it does require a book and some serious multidisciplinary skills

>>542977976
>this triggers the worm girl
what does xhe have against foodperson anyway?>>543005062
>moving all my loot onto my vehicle and living like a nomad.
i tried doing that with an armored van a while back and found i ran out of space fast, even with cargo spaces in every slot that wasnt the driver seat
granted im a hoarder but still lel

>>543034929
yeah I gave up and just drove home and unloaded the largest and heaviest piles of shit and the guns and ammo I didn't need
turns out you don't need 300 plastic chunks, or 150 amplifier circuits

>>543033892
The golem trapped and betrayed me several times. The most tragic moment is when I was on death's door and desperately needed a bodyblocker and he fucking ran away after a jumping spider like a child chasing a butterfly and then took a nap in a corner while I got raped. Bonus points for this same thing happening the next THREE TIMES I summon it in the same situation!

>>543034209
I probably should have gone full two handed battleaxe since I couldn't find any shields.

>>543036064
big axe is correct

>>543036064
I usually use a 2h in the early/mid game. Bucklers suck ass anyway. You need a kite shield to really justify putting points in shield skill.

>>543034445
I feel like I'm ok on that front, so far.
Just a week into Summer now, though, so I may be falling behind in gearing myself. Just wasted a night to find out that A: Brutes are spawning now, B: Brutes will yeet me ten tiles and scrape my entire body and C: You can't (take down) an Exercise Machine and BN doesn't have the recipe to construct it

>>543018351
Did Kevin remove superalloy because the prefix super sounded fake to him?

>>543034929
Food person is an allegorical slur for trans-worms.
...Or they think it's too goofy and not serious, which tracks with them taking all the cool shit out of BN while still not keeping feature parity with DDA (lmao)

>>543038773
yeah Brutes are brutal and you do not have the melee skills to fight one right now
>>543038931
>Kevin
Kevin has no power here

I hate that it's technically correct for me to put this thing on. Talismans are the worst fucking system they ever added to nu DCSS.

Another one.
This one had a lot of issues with healing so a bunch of divine interventions. Still won first try and defeated the Elf bitch. Poison skin didn't help me nearly as much as I hoped, I think I murdered most enemies with the physical and lightning damage before the poison damage was dealt, so I just wouldn't heal from weak minions.
Now the only lightning prestige left is samsi and I like the psychic tree way more than the poison one (probably my least favourite together with life).

>>543025687
Yeah. Aim + Herja is a brutal combo.

>>543033480
Good job anon.
But isn't killing yourself part of the point of phoenix?

>>543035891
The fucking GALL to make you have to stand next to the fucker but he ALSO doesn't have a strict AI like Scarab/Beetle. I really think it ought to be a little more predictable or a little less demanding- Either or. It's bad enough allies need you to blow an entire turn to get them to stop hitting the quokka instead of the +6 Distortion Gnoll (hasted)(throwing nets)(hasn't showered in weeks) with T.
Spell slot allocation feels rough. I spend 2 on Bee, 4 on Golem and I've got 4-5 left by the time I get to Lair and I wonder what I'm sposed to take. I guess it's SUPPOSED to be Lightning Spire, I think if I do anything else I have too many gaps or... or something? Mephitic seems like a good use. I don't know if I really want to be training Necromancy because it's got those long chants and FW spells want you to sit around and dance, not keep Fugue of the Fallen rolling and rush in to maximize Animate Dead uptime, so I think you're sposed to look elsewhere for support.

I think in DCSS most builds you're putting something together for regular fights and you're putting answers together for as many overlapping situations as possible- Big crowd, tough melee fighter, dangerous caster/ranger, bad status effect, etc.

And it feels like FW wants you to train melee and mix it up with your boys and it ALSO feels like you're training two generic "regular fight" skillsets and zero "Big Solutions" so like... If I'm just going to be reaching for a wand or scroll/pot when shit hits the fan...

The glaghar paired with 9 extra attacks absolutely melted the king

>>543039108
kek
the classic -1 armor gambit, you love to see it. 1.5 damage retaliation is too stronk, nerf pls
Scarab Form Wu Tang clan is pretty fuckin ebin tho, so I'll forgive em. Just this once.
Still could use some work.

>>543039542
Good job anon.
But isn't killing yourself part of the point of Apophis?

>>543039542
>isn't killing yourself part of the point of phoenix?
It doesn't have to be. You can either farm for willpower or cast your prayers repeatedly, but you can't have both advantages from Phoenix at the same time. Phoenix has some of the best prayers in the game and they will kill you if you farmed willpower. If you stay low on willpower then you can put 500 stacks of scorch and blind on the entire level WITHOUT killing yourself.

>>543040028
Apophis is about dying but bringing every fucker down with me
>>543040141
True

>>543039687
Yeah so far my impression is that Fw is a free ticket through Lair with zero effort, and then a punch in the face afterwards as all your spells become completely useless.
If I'm reduced to soloing spider with a battleaxe in plate armor why the fuck did I bother training FORTY FUCKING LEVELS of spell skills?

>>543040291
You can literally just not cast spells as Mountain Dwarf and still be a top tier species. No one forced you to train that shit.

>>543038935
>taking all the cool shit out of BN
??? Wormgirl is working on TLG, which is forked off of DDA, BN was forked off years earlier and Wormgirl has nothing to do with it
>>543038986
Then who removed superalloy?

>>543041131
seems fine to me

>>543041330
Then what the heck was >>543018351 on about?

>>543041660
are you retarded? I said you can disassemble riot control robots and the other police and military robots for a secubot chassis, which can be further disassembled into superalloy plates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQjiej9xko

>>543041131
I can't keep this incestuous indie development scene straight anymore, sweet jesus.
So if DDA is "all realism, no fun allowed" and BN is "Lots of fun stuff, 40% less (pointless) autism simming" then what's TLG's niche?

>>543042406
realistic autism by somebody who isn't Kevin

>>543038773
Honestly what really has me cooked is that I go to bed every night with 2 or more limbs bandaged and antiseptic'd and this is as high as my First Aid is and I STILL can't read Guide to Advanced Emergency Care

>>543042248
>IF YOU'RE PLAYING A GOOD FORK
Which implies there's a fork where you can't do that, so I asked "what, did Kevin remove superalloy?" which seems like a reasonable assumption for what you meant by that. (And I actually recall a bit of discussion from DDA's github about whether "superalloy" was proper realistic, but it didn't result in removal back then) If that's not what you meant, then what is the bad fork where you can't get superalloy from those things?

>>543043110
oh, sorry I try not to think about DDA at all any more and didn't even realize that you could be trying to talk about that dead fork, my bad
no, I have no idea and was just bullshitting

>>543043267
>I have no idea and was just bullshitting
oh, well alrighty then. thanks for wasting my time and calling me retarded, I guess?

>>543033892
The class is tricky to play. The best I did with it was reaching Zot and then get blown up by Tiamat. Shit's wacky yo.

>>543043524
you're welcome, bro
I went and checked nornagons and it doesn't seem like any of the superalloy stuff is left in DDA except for the vehicle parts (armor and ram)

>>543044001
Ah, so I guess that discussion did result in some Kevinning, but not the full Kevin. I haven't played DDA in ages, it's been BN for me since getting pissed off about my bug report being angrily dismissed by that jackass with the baby avatar

>>543044478
>I haven't played DDA in ages
you should stop thinking about it

>>543041131
I'm not interesting the race, I was just trying out the spells. And gradually I've been forced into Md, and then more and more melee, and at this point I realize I'm basically just playing a worse MiFi.

That's all she wrote.
Changing the javelin for the jade pilum wasn't really worth it. A few more extra attacks aren't nearly as important as extra range and I got into a really bad spot against the yellow queen because I spawned into an open area with no cover and there was she plus a bunch of yellow demons, all which outranged me.
I'm starting to think that the king is genuinely easier than the astral dungeons, with the exception of the blood themed one which is piss easy.

>>543044769
meant to quote >>543040586

>>543044645
I don't, but hey, people are talking about it in the thread

>>543042475
Not really it’s more like harder near-future DDA, with focus on consistent and cohesive lore/content

>>543044864
>I'm starting to think that the king is genuinely easier than the astral dungeons
Depends which version of the king spawns. The freeze/entangle version of the king is the dangerous one for most builds because he will put you down to your minimum speed, kite you, and take 5 turns per turn you get. The dungeons tend to have a shitload of HP and you have less levels to fight them with, but they're not going to hit you with huge stacks of status effects so they are much easier to heal through their damage.

>Do lab start
>after days of surviving, finally reach the exit which is in a house basement
>3 zombie horses were camping the metal door to the exit and ran in the second I opened them
>die
zombie animals seem to be extremely common now
keep seeing antlered horrors, woodland wights and decayed pouncers everywhere

What do I do for food, longterm? Just keep raiding more homes for beans and rice? Hunt down a Foodperson warehouse? Start my own farm? Kill and preserve a hundred wasteland sausages?
What's the quick tierlist there? BN, so I think I don't have to worry about vitamins, just mutagens (not that I've ever, or that I'd know) (do I have to take these multivitamins? Does it do anything?)

>>543044769
DE supremacy, only train casting, only worship Magic Gods™

Guys I need help, how dafuq am I supposed to go down from this hotel rooftop? The doors are electronic and closed and there is no other way

>>543047187
>The dungeons tend to have a shitload of HP and you have less levels to fight them with, but they're not going to hit you with huge stacks of status effects
The green and blue dungeons do hit you with a ton of sickness, scorch and freezing.

>>543047661
I got bored of DEFE, every run was basically the same.

>>543044864
The Yellow Queen is a genuine bitch to be desu

>>543047774
how did you get up there?
are there any ledges to jump down onto?

>>543048561
"Large Building" Start
I found a ledge and savescummed myself to victory

>>543047507
Multivitamins can improve your hidden health stat, which can help fend off illnesses. If you eat healthy it's not super important, but if you're cramming junk food and lard you might want to take one now and then.
A farm is the best long term food source, but I've survived by nomadic scavenging before. I think the latter is more fun, but apocalypse stardew valley has its own charm.

>>543048730
I was going to suggest smashing some fences and trying to make some improvised lockpicks

>>543048812
I don't think I've ever gone farming, I mostly just hunt and scavenge
enough boars and bears and moose will try to pick fights with me that I can always keep myself fed, and you can just throw it in either the smoker or the freezer and be fine for months
I like to roleplay by attempting to keep a balanced diet and find some grains and corn and stuff like that by scavenging

>>543047824
You might be right. I guess I just have selective memory because you can choose not to fight them if you get fucked by their abilities. Whereas the King is always going to fuck you if he rolls a bad skillset for your character.

>>543048884
That probably would be a better option, as now I'm surrounded by zombos

>>543047507
It took me so long to dissect everything that my mayonaisse only lasts like 4 or 5 days now- I guess the perishability meter transfers over, so the half rotten wasp eggs mean I get half rotten mayo?
Not how it works. Mayo shouldn't have the same shelf life inside a refrigerator as it does outside, either. Ah well. Live and learn.

I'm definitely starting to regret putting this smoker right next to my big cool chair. Oh well, too fuckin bad I guess- I can just plan on (dying of carbon monoxide) smoking while I sleep, since my mattress is off in the corner.
So. Killer Kebab. That means it's really good, r-right? Not that it KILLS me, right?

>>543047774
is the building on fire?
when i did that start i was in the same situation and the floor below was on fire
i waited for a safe spot in the floor to burn out so i could drop down

>>543052223
time moves a lot slower in a refrigerator than it does at room temperature

>>543054478
I can't argue with that logic.
If it were me, I'd whip the contributors till they added a second value to toggle between, depending on if the item is cold or not.

Oh well. Runnin out of books to read, I think I might have to actually start exploring some again- At least find a fuckin torch somewhere, it's really cramping my basement hovel workshop's full potential.

>>543056962
>torch
do you mean a welding torch or the British term for flashlight, because it's better to use lamps and solar panels for static installations

>>543056962
>a second value to toggle between, depending on if the item is cold or not.
It's not a binary either/or, the change depends on how cold it is, so root cellars will extend shelf life a bit, and refrigerators more, and freezers the most.

Oh cool thanks I really understand that. Very cool, tileset! Neato! Thanks! Kill yourself, now!

Ah, fuck.

>>543057775
Ah. Fuck. I knew I shoulda just looted the gunstore and left.

>>543062829
Other answers we would have accepted would have been "That's why I've got all those grenades and C4 from the soldiers and supply crates" and "I wonder if the bow's constant overpenning is actually viable in combat- No way, right?"

This is where roguelikes peaked.

>>543062829
>>543057775
Wait, I got these backwards.
I see.
So make uh... Four display values and update it based on that. Whatever, I'm not a project manager. Sheesh.

which cataclysm should i play

>No lands of achra news
It? Over.

>>542942008
I've won without any of those :)
How?
Very simple my friend, first I fill the screen with summons. This creates a self feeding loop in which the screen is cleared.
There is no second step.

>>543063885
whales
make sure you try saving the game inside a vehicle

>>543063265
It's a gradient, actually, not four "preservation" slots.
Just think of the remaining time as "how long this will last if the power goes out." And if you're really concerned about it, get it to frozen, which stops the timer and displays a frozen tag

>This will haunt you in your dreams.
>Would you dare desecrate the mortal remains of a fellow human being?

>Your imprecise surgery destroyed something.
>Your imprecise surgery destroyed something.
>Your imprecise surgery destroyed something.

>>543065625
(mushy)(frozen)(old)

>>543066220
did you use the bionic detector? what did you lose out on that was worth the horrendous morale penalties?

>>543066220
This definitely wasn't worth the prozac- I should've just gone to the radio tower, but I had to see what 40 fucking signatures on the inf goggles looked like when I turned the lights on and firebombed 'em. Not the worst haul but I've already got heap big archery going on. Maybe early carbon fiber is ok? It's a decent gun collection, I should go pick up that FN-P90 in a couple nights I guess, too.

>>543066910
....No clue! I just saw a handful of nurses and survivalist zombies and lumped em with mister feral survivor here and figured I'd bite the bullet and go fishing. I dunno if you can take trash bionics and turn em into burnt-out ones to craft good ones with, but I've got a few recipes.

Maybe if I let them rise as a zombie and then kill them again I'm not so bummed out? Whatever, I'm gonna hang out in the goon cave, get high and read some books for a day or two with a vibrator shoved up my ass, I guess.

>>543067881
yeah, if you let the ferals revive as zombies and then put them back down it will preserve the bionics and you won't get the morale penalty from cutting them up

Just got back from a 3 day vacation, can't believe the mods are Njerpez sympathizers

>>543063126
>remake version
nah

>>543067881
You made 8 servings of an 800 calorie dish fatso, you better not fucking cry about it
>>543069578
It's so obvious, why didn't I think of that.

why is it an AR "pistol" now?

>>543072701
Thats just a variant, the AR-15 is still in the game.

>>543072805
I'm asking about the AR pistol. It used to be a pistol, and it's been in the game for years.

Looking up the tag, this is the modular_ar_pistol and the ar_pistol item is now a bullpup rifle. what?

>>543072701
anon do you know what the National Firearms Act is

>>543077165
nta, but no
Why? pls :)

>>543078458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsE0naVApPU

crowd crush is such bullshit.
very nearly died fighting a handful of generic zombies that can't even hurt me. barely even realized on time what was happening

>>543080479
it teaches you not to get surrounded and get your shit rocked, anon

>>542994402
Is there any way to reload an ammo belt?
There's an M249 that I fixed up but I don't have any ammo linkage for it. Just a belt with 28 rounds of 5.56.
I added three cargo carriers and a steel ram, then fixed the damaged parts as well as I could.

>>543077165
I'm asking about why the AR pistol was renamed from AR pistol to AR "pistol". Essentially, I was hoping an anon had read that drama, so that we could have a laugh.

>>543085197
>Is there any way to reload an ammo belt?
>There's an M249 that I fixed up but I don't have any ammo linkage for it. Just a belt with 28 rounds of 5.56.
Unload the belt
Then activate the linkages to relink them with ammo

>>543085197
>reload an ammo belt
you can unload it and remake it with as many ammo linkages and rounds you have
I forget if you can add more to one if it's been started but I would imagine not

>>543086898
>I forget if you can add more to one if it's been started
You can, just reload it.
You need to have belt links obviously.

>>543090195
can you craft those?

>>543090537
You can in BN. I suspect you can in DDA, but I haven't checked.

How much do you think people "cheat" with savescumming in ToME? Mainly by force closing the game with task manager when in danger. Someone I know revealed they savescum like that, then I looked through the discord (yeah I'm gay + suck cocks) and saw constant arguing about savescumming with there being like drama over players "revealed" to be savescummers etc.

It got me thinking because ToME4 really is such a long game that I think most people will be severely tempted to trivially back up their save / savescum after 30+ hours. It seems like a case where 90% of people will end up cheating and then just avoiding talking about it. What do you think?

>>543093476
The discord is full of trannies who are stuck on Nightmare mode because they suck at the game.
There are many small ways to exploit the game. Playing in ASCII mode will reveal invisible enemies. Saving the game will reset enemy AI on other floors (and most people will do this unknowingly because the game defaults to saving on entering a new floor).
Don't try too hard to compare with other people as long as you are comfortable with the game itself. I personally can't give less of a shit about discord trannies who give the shittiest opinions while they can't win a game on nightmare/adventure.

>>543093476
I really don't give a fuck if people savescum because it's a fucking video game

>>543095081
One day of eating like a fat fuck wont make up for a month of 10 kcal diet

>>543095081
Soldiers in training sometimes eat 8 or 9 thousand a day and still lose weight.

>>543097425
>Soldiers in training sometimes eat 8 or 9 thousand a day and still lose weight.
Fucking KEK
Sure thing

>>543095081
Calorie intake is fucking ridiculous in this game
Apparently smiths ate enough for 5 people when they had to spend a day at work

>>543097425
>>543097762
Those were american soldiers

I found some guns. They don't look much better than what I already have, so I mostly grabbed some LR and 9mm guns and ammo to train.

>>543098012
>>543097425
i've been eating around 8000 every day for a week at least.
I have Fast Metabolism if that makes a difference

>>543097762
The regular level is 3-4 thousand, but that's insufficient during intense training.

>>543098965
>Fast Metabolism
OH NONONONONO
never get that shit it bricks runs

>>543100819
I don't give a fuck about what you read to pull those numbers out of your asshole but I've spent 6 years in and the military is NEVER giving you that much food to eat in a day and NO ONE trains that "intense"
The only people I've seen lose weight during "training" are those that go for SAS selection and that's because they don't fucking feed them for days on end.
No one from infantry to artillery to armoured needs 8000 calories a day for whatever super rambo schwarzenegger training you think they're doing

>>543042248
>are you retarded
says the vocaloid shit random youtube link reposter

Is it better to active hunt or passive hunt in URW?

>>543110362
Is it better to be a waggie, or live off passive income?

>>543110362
Both works
But large scale passive hunting, aka trap fences, basically means you are settling down
Personally I'd rather wander around the map looking for quests and treasures

>>543110362
From my own personal experience, passive hunting for small game is simply not worth it. I only build small traps around my settlement specifically to scare away rabbits from eating my crops.
Once you understand how to active hunt properly, tiring out the animal, you can get reindeer and elk pretty easily. Hunting an elk or a few deer in the winter and drying out the meat can set you up for months.
When you build a settlement making a huge trap fence with pits (no spikes so the animal lives longer for you to find it before it rots) is a great longterm project. You don't have to add bait to it and it will passively get you reindeer, elk, wolves and bear.

>>543093476
>>543093637
To expand on what anon said, I think it's important to at least be honest about what difficulty/cheats you're playing with if you want to discuss the game difficulty.
If you alt+F4 because clicked the wrong button in a level-up screen on accident or something stupid, I wouldn't worry about telling anyone (unless you're talking about UI).
Conversely, if you "beat the Master pretty easily with a simple build" and it only took you 11 tries? Shut the fuck up or admit you're a poser, you're literally only sabotaging other people's gameplay growth because you want to be seen talking about the game and don't mind giving bad advice to do it.
Personally, I do kind of wish I had Roleplay mode on for all the Qud saves I ripped by "walking downstairs" (dead to 11 Dawnstrider ray's from a unique's pack) or "whiffing three times in a row on the Chaingun" (it overpenned me like Bubba at the State Penitentiary For Criminally Insane Rapists).
But that doesn't stop me from telling you that you can clone draught Sixshrew a dozen times and scum him for polygels to get infinite cloning draught neetbuxs.

is this for real,
how can i burn 11000+ calories and it's still not enough. I'm going to run out of food at this rate.

>>543098965
at first i thought, "this varmint rifle is awful. the range is less than my pistol". but it's pretty decent now that i've fired about 500 rounds out of it and got to marksman/rifles 3.

>>543102272
how does it brick the run?

>suicide drones deployed
>tear gas
>"oh that's no problem, i'll trigger it, then just dash away while i wait for the gas effect to pass"
>suddenly stamina gets locked at 0
>die to... ???

>>543119081
It doesn't tell you that you need to eat more because of how much you've recently eaten. It tells you you need to eat more because your overall calorie bank is low.

At least, I think that's what messages like "you feel like you haven't eaten in days, despite the fact that you have" are supposed to mean. (not an exact quote)

>>543093476
I actually do it if one of my escorts die because they're insanely retarded and march to their fucking death all of the time. I actually stopped doing it for all of them because it's just a chore to keep up with how much they want to die, I only save them if they're really valuable for a build, like tinkers and maybe sun paladins.

>>543119490
Your last move used 12 standard turns of energy, anon. What the fuck did you do?
Pulling out a foldable weapon takes 4 or 5 seconds at worst, I think

Oneshotting my caloric needs with the mutagenic wasp egg korean food
I can't fucking stand it desu, I'm "hungry" and it's asking me if I want to waste calories by overeating.
Guess I go to bed hungry

>>543122668
like I said, i was moving. my last move was to move NE.
probably something about the gas

>>543119490
>>543122668
Crossbows take 1200 energy to reload by default. I think that's supposed to be affected by your strength though

>>543124485
Oh, like you actually breathed it in.
Yeah, that shit fuckin sucks. No clue what the current values are- Probably something like this, but they really wreck your shit (never mind that you'll spend 1 in 3 turns coughing for the next half hour)

>>543125074
yeah there were four or five of them that exploded right next to me. I didn't bring a gas mask. In the past, these things just made you cough a lot and lose turns, it wasn't an instant kill.

i thought at first i got crowd crushed but i probably aspyxiated

>Meanwhile, a hazel grouse enters your view...
>Abort task?
>Meanwhile, a raven enters your view...
>Abort task?
>Meanwhile, a mallard enters your view...
>Abort task?
Fucking URW, let me do handcrafts in peace.

>>543126401
Same shit in Cata
You'll ignore a zed wandering in and out of the far edge of your sight a dozen times and then the next time you get prompted "Warning, the nurse attacked you!"
And you get stabbed in the face three times in a row with a scalpel

No easy way to swap between safe mode loadouts either, as far as I'm aware, which sucks because sometimes I want "any zombie in vision at all" and the other 90% of the time I want something like 10/6 spaces away.

Since we're experiencing a Cataclysm renaissance, what's the long and short on farming in Bright Nights? Can I just build planters indoors? Or use surface greenhouses/rooftop gardens/underground marijuana grow ops year round, or anything like that?
Do I have to water them all the time or what?

>>543127035
yeah it's fucked. from what i know, the easiest way is to use the safe mode manager and have a duplicate set of alerts, these with a max radius. you can just disable the top couple and enable the bottom couple, leaving the middle ones as customs.
it's not great, but like you said there's no easy way to swap.
>>543125074
yeah it was basically instant death. stunned inside a tear gas cloud and taking damage

>>543102272
>never get that shit it bricks runs
skill issue, just eat more, it's not that hard
>>543110141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrRBOJMifCc
>>543127275
they're extremely hands off but I don't do it much
I have not tried any of the indoor planting options

Is this a roguelike?

>>543128614
No, that's a handtrap.
We weren't even in need of a bump, man...

>>543119081
>>543128440
it doesent really brick runs but its goddamn annoying and you'll have to eat like a pig. Thankfully a single animal kill gives plenty of meat and lard to keep you fat and healthy.

Am i a roguelike?

>>543129531
is there a way to set up loadouts? e.g. pick up 20 pemmican automatically before leaving

>>543129780
afaik no but you might be able to set up zones that work to similar effect

>>543129780
God I fuckin wish. I've been fantasizing about it for days now.
I just try and hork down food whenever I'm not full (in BN, which I suspect has the "get fat and take massive health penalties if you don't know about it" mechanic removed) in the morning and night, but fucking... 11,000 calories. You can pop open the debug menu and check your health/calorie stores to get an idea of how badly you're getting shafted.

But like anon said, look into butchering (or dissection, bizarrely much easier to set up and you can just loot a scalpel off the nurses for max tool quality) a couple critters and you'll have more meat than you know what to do with- Don't use the charcoal/electric smoker recipes though, * build a smoking rack instead.

>>543131512
yeah that's what i did, found a cow and some boars and made pemmican,
i've never done farming in cdda

>>543126401
Do your crafting inside a house with no windows

>>543039108
I love that it's technically removing the resistance minigame. Talismans are the best fucking system they ever added to nu DCSS.

can I dig a canal

>>543141939
>you become immune to poison
>you also get killed in one hit of anything
That's a tradeoff alright.

>>543142537
that's just because you have 0 skill in shapeshitting.

Have any of u guys heard of Barony? It's like Minecraft

>>543141939
Heathen statue animal of Vehumet with Sandblast quivered on D:11, wielding a shield, wants to train 26 levels in Shapeshifting with a -3 aptitude- Because Gargoyle resists aren't good enough to tackle endgame without Deathform on.

B A L A N C E D A S F U C K

what did the redditor mean by this

You honestly should've deleted both posts.

>>543145627
It's a metaphor for DCSS development arc.
By removing the shaft you've improved the game more than a dozen pathfinding fixes or text formatting commits ever could.

>>543146034
are you sure
or did your froggy ass didn't realize you had posted your screenshot by accident

>Free AI core
Suck my dick and balls
...I still can't craft a bionic scanner without these books anyways
The real take is in the vault, I hear.

>>543146525
I realized it had shaft and balls visible you homo. lmao that screenshot is all over the web, it's its own meme
The only thing worse than a redditard is an actual retard who makes hating some obscure niche web forum for no reason his entire fuckin personality

>>543147680
I've been doing this off and on for hours
I never expected to find something.
...Ay yo, suck my fucking diiiiiiiiiick, sick sick sick

>>543148568
Very uncool, there's fuck and all in here- I mean to say, I wanted some spellbooks.
Ah well. There's still a dozen houses I haven't checked the layout of and 1 church of 3 left.

>>543125201
Yeah, you can see in the message log in >>543119490 that the enemies aren't actually damaging you. You're taking damage either from the coughing or directly from the gas, and it seemingly kills you instantly because you're stunlocked inside the cloud.

>>543126401
People think I'm autistic because I do all my crafting sitting in a windowless corner or looking at huge trees

>>543103772
NTA but you can burn through an insane amount of calories if exposed to cold temperatures.
People mistakenly believe that physical activity is the big caloric expenditure, but running for an hour is typically less than 750 Calories, and is FAR more physical activity than most do. Meanwhile, maintaining homeostasis on a mild 60 degree day without a sweater? Approximately 2000 Calories.
So intense training can increase caloric intake, but mostly due to spending long hours in poor weather, especially if they're wet. Spending an hour in the snow shivering burns as many Calories as running for an hour. A caloric intake of 7000 Calories a day isn't unreasonable for an arctic soldier, and if they're doing intense training instead of just doing normal operations then it'll be higher.

What screen size do you play cataclysm on?

17'' is pretty small for my eyes. Cogmind is almost unplayable for the same reason

>>543163743
Use ASCII, it's clearer at smaller sizes than any tileset, Cata's ascii is pretty good and legible, unlike say DF

>>543142232
yeah but it'll take a year I think maybe

>>543149340
the TAC-50 is rare and good
muscle augmentation and wired reflexes are important to have if you can install them
chemical reference-CLASSIFIED is cool
Magic 8 Ball is also fun

>>543170161
Acquire NPCs, set construction zones, let them do the work
Cuts large construction project times down depending on the number of NPCs you can field.

Hello /rlg/
I've gotten my roguelike itch again.
Is CDDA good yet? Do the NPCs do anything interesting? Is BN good?
Any fun *bands? Or anything else in the past year and a half or so worth checking out?

>>543174240
>s BN good?
I like it better than DDA. It doesn't have some of the recent DDA features, and they haven't implemented their own idea of pockets yet, but it's not dragged down by the past few years worth of anti-fun measures either.

>>543174240
>Is BN good
it's about the same as Cataclysm used to be
they've added prospecting for ores now, which is fun, gonna play with that a bit
there are some new roguelikes that you need to pay for, which is interesting

>>543163743
31 inches wide.
I dunno the actual measurement- I'm not a cop
It's a TV I've hard for ages, and that's how wide the keyboard mat I bought is, give or take (which is how wide the TV is)
10/10 do recommend

here we go, new content
>>543163743
16" 4k

>>543170450
Oh, yeah. I was pretty pleased with the book, if only because I recognized it from when I wanted to start smoking mutagen. I haven't really been collecting chemicals as much as I should- Liquid management is a chore, I've just realized I can fill my canteen with clean water with Reload, so I might try that out in some way

I'm glad to hear the gun is a good one; I was thinking the Halberd might be ok, with reach and a seriously high damage score, but I've all but given up on parsing the 30 different guns I've got. Nevermind the hell of ammo micro, I thought "Oh, guns will be rare and loud and I should use superior sustainable archery (folder over one thousand time)" and now I have 20 guns and no desire to sort through them when I can stick triffid and shark toof arrows in things.

I'll give it a shot though, I guess.

>>543174240
I ignored CDDA because it sounded like unfinished ass, 5-10 years ago.
Bright Nights is sloppy toppy so far- Dunno how you'll feel if you have strong oppinions on DDA already, tho. Try it out, get down with the thread. We're splatting MDFw runs and playing Cataclysm bay-bee!

>>543176627
>I can't be assed to sort my guns
oh, okay, let me help you I know what these all are
>Colt 1860 Army
the pistol equivalent of a crossbow, it would be better if it was more accurate to real life and made a huge cloud of smoke that you couldn't see through if you magdumped but you can run it off of piss and car batteries, which is fun
try it out
>McMillan TAC-50
an accurized anti-material rifle, use it to blow flaming eyes, turrets and bandits with snipers away from outside their range, or eliminate dangerous armored enemies from the edge of the reality bubble
fat, heavy, rare, powerful, extremely specialized and can do jobs that only a few other guns in the entire game can do. when you need it, you need it and you should go out of your way to need it because it's funny
>M27 IAR, IWI Tavor
generic assault rifles, gotta collect all 150
the Tavor is chambered in a weird rare cartridge and is rare, I've never used it so I don't know the stats
assault rifles are all the same but can absolutely wipe the floor with entire towns of zombies or even lategame enemies
>RM103A
weird pistol thing, I think it's unrealistic and makes me feel bad so I don't use it but it might be a good save your ass gun
>Skorpion
it's an SMG that I think you can fit into one of the smaller holsters (double check this), an excellent and funny backup gun
don't try to use it against anything with armor

the COP is worthless trash but the ammo is rare
the Taurus is a bad version of the quest reward for the working for the government refugee quest
If you've got a deathmobile I'd take all the ammo and any of the magazines you might ever use otherwise I'd leave it all and write it down to come back for later, including the TAC-50
maybe grab the Colt, that's a funny gun

>>543178295
>it would be better if it was more accurate to real life and made a huge cloud of smoke that you couldn't see through if you magdumped
I have one and they're not like that. Maybe in some weird weather, but not normal conditions. The smoke clears quickly because it rises immediately. AFAIK only battlefields or other areas with a large amount of gunfire had this problem, not individuals shooting.
Also the Skorpion is more of a machine pistol but that's not really important.

>>543180220
sometimes it blows away, sometimes it hangs heavy
depends on your local humidity and temperature and what powder you're shooting if I had to guess, I don't write these things down
the difference between an SMG and a machine pistol is how many dicks you've sucked today

>>543181170
>store bought bullets
pathetic

>>543181248
the local tire shops are all run by lead hoarding boomers who obsessively scavenge all the lead in a 50 mile radius so they can put it up their ass

there's a mass grave and a cerbearus on the only road into the nearest town and it's the end of Week 1 and I'm still chipping away at it

I can't do anything until I get into town and steal all your curtains, please

So I just learned that Tales of Maj'Eyal uses a setting for the user interface called 'Minimal', and I could never remember how to use my spells.

I enabled the legacy interface, and WOW. So much better. You get a focused map up top, your stats on display, and a set keybind toolbar.

Who the hell thought that the minimal layout was better?

>>543163743
34" 4k

>great start, found guns, car, base in cdda
>found exodii right next to base hell yeah
>go to trade
>"you are mute and cant talk"
FUCK. i didnt check that in the random generation

>>543197848
do you have earplugs in

>>543173102
how do you tell them what to construct

where the fuck did the cdda advanced world options go?
how do i set loot rarity, city distance, hordes, enemy strength, etc. ? this is the entirety of what's inside the advanced world creation options.

>>543203138
Kevin removed them
you should play a different fork

>>543198018
huh, i checked and nope. and none of my perks or traits deafen me either. i actually have no idea why im deaf. i have shot a gun either yet. the only thing that might...be a thing is it randomy game me "true foodperson", but i dont remember that having any reason to deafen me.

>>543203980
*mute. no traits indicating mute or any head gear

>>543204645
now i'm curious what it is. post your gear and your player info screen

>>543205640
im wearing a bunch of guns because i was expecting to trade, so ignore that encumbrance. what am i not seeing here?

>>543206161
the saves barely 2 hours old. i havent even crafted anything, or shot anything. ive killed a singular zombie.

>>543206161
That should all be fine. The only thing I'm not certain about is True Foodperson, which is a trait I'm unfamiliar with.

I checked both BN and DDA (i'm not certain which you're using, but it's not TLG) and there's nothing in the json about prohibiting social. Your gear is fine too. Can you at least yell? shift-c

>>543201045
There's a zone for it

>>543206514
lmao holy shit.
>you cant speak without your face!
its true foodperson. i must of confused it with "the last delivery" where your just a delivery guy, OR they updated it so the mask is mandatory. i thought that wasnt a thing anymore.

welllllp, guess i better hope i left the mask in the van...

>>543206842
yep. it was back at home base, thankfully, instead of in the city i fled, or i would of been fucked. the mask requires batteries for some reason (you can still yell without them), but this seems new. i activated the mask and this appears

the fucks the foodpersons mask HUD?

>>543207167
oh. you cant take it off, and when you try it tells you how much longer your shift is. thats right, i remember this now. your mask is "lit up" and itll automatically speak/yell advertisements. oh boy.

>>543207357
ahahaha
you better keep going with this, it is entertaining

>>543207413
i just waited an hour, the battery ran out. im in a safe place just travelling between safe locations, so no fun really. but NEXT time i start a foodperson start, ill activate the mask right away just to see how badly it goes. otherwise, its kinda a big negative trait. MUST have your starter mask to speak? what if you lose it?

>>543207567
I think you can wear other foodperson masks

>>543207659
i dont think ive ever seen another foodperson or foodperson mask before. ill have to keep an eye out

>>543207860
>check 2F of cities, they can be upstairs.
there can be only one

>>543207860
I've seen them in food trucks before

>>543178295
Th-thanks anon. You too.
(I've probably left behind half this many, but I do usually drag along a shopping cart or double wide bicycle.

There's not a tierlist or a guide anywhere, is there?

>>543211205
That RM103 is great if you can find ammo for it

>>543211205
The three best guns you have there are the TAC-50, the RM103A and the Savage.
Arguable any any 5.56 rifle is ok for dealing with trash mobs but there are better ones.

>>543211205
no, only in my head. They're mostly all the same so I just use whatever my real life autism compels me to unless I need one to fit in a specific holster or whatever and then I craft some meticulous cope

>1874 Sharps
yet another gun you can run off of piss and scrap metal, I think
worth a shot trying to get it working just for kicks, what's the range on it
>brace slingshot
fun, good, the best pebble ammo type is actually quite strong and the brace slingshot is the best non-crossbow that uses it
>chemical thrower
I have never actually seen this thing before, you NEED to try it out and tell me how it goes
>Deagle Brand Deagle
it's too big to fit in a holster and not powerful enough to justify using as a main gun
>Glocks
the good glock in Cata is the 31 because it can fit in a deep concealment holster which has zero encumbrance
you should throw your hi point, the COP, Ruger LCR and your M17 pistols into a dumpster
>M1903 Springfield, Mosin-Nagant
rare milsurp, not worth much if you've got the 50 but eat weird ammo and are lighter
>M4A1
what's the attachment on that M4, if you can get those cleaned up and fixed they're probably the best assault rifle you have but there are better
>shotguns
your 12 gauge shotguns are, in order of usefulness:
1. Rem 1100 Comp
2. M1014
3. Mossberg 500 Field
4. double barrel
they all do the same thing but the ones with more ammo are better
>Savage 111F
isn't this thing insanely accurate for some reason? lighter version of the TAC-50 for your purposes
>USP 9mm
put that in a deep concealment holster, it costs you nothing to have it on you at all times

what holsters do the RM103, Vz Skorpion, and Colt fit into?

>>543212401
I mounted a chemical thrower on my deathmobile before, several years back. Loaded with antifungal, it makes big smoke clouds and just erases fungal beds and stuff.

>new event while walking at night
inb4 instakill

>>543215767
you have been eaten by a Gru
>>543214703
interesting, what all can you load into it?

>>543215870
>>543214703
I think these are the three options?
anti-insect, anti-fungal, and anti-insect
interesting, total wasp death

>>543216135
anti-triffid instead of the first anti-insect, oops
the Ancient Foul Curse strikes again

>>543178295
the tavor isnt what i think you think it is, its just a bullpup regular 5.56. i actually usually nab one for my early runs because its bullpuppyness means it fits into a lot more bags, and adding a suppressor to it still keeps it under length compared to m4. see pic related for its real life equiv.
you probably found it in .300 blackout, which it does spawn in as sometimes, which is just supposed to be irl heavy fat rounds that dont break the speed barrier and thus easier to suppress, and that ammo is rare, but with a can you can get it down to like, 50 sound, instead of the 5.56 m4 100 or so. so mid/late game nightvision nighttime spooky boi rounds IF you can be bothered to stockpile it.

youuuu might of been thinking of the KORD, which uses russian 5.45 which is also a pain the ass to acquire and not really worth doing unless roleplaying

>>543216295
no I am aware of the Tavor's Jewish tricks
he did find it in .300 blackout, which he doesn't have enough of to make it worth explaining how spooky you can be with it, just that it's Ye Assault Rifle (but small) and chambered in something that he doesn't have enough of

>>543215767
>night raid
>deep into two libraries
>didn't get historical armor/weapon
guess we're on team bronze now

>>543216506
ah. and shit, i was literally about to add onto my post "its isreali, if you wanna roleplay some /pol/tard", and welp, there it is. how funny

>>543217776
thanks I knew I could rely on you to laugh at my jokes

oh they have synegogues now in DDA

>>543212401
I don't know what I can load in chemical thrower, but I guess I can find up
The M4 sports a factory made grenade launcher

I've got a firearm kit and welders and printers in here (along with a barrel of oil, of course). Yeah, I might as well detail some of these.

The Sharps will gleefully throw even odds shots out to 24 range, apparently- Dunno if stripping the bipod off makes that worse or not, I'll have to fiddle about with the attachment porn some I guess. At least I've got a good couple high range options. Just gotta figure out which one's the easiest to feed and plink some targets to get my rifle up.

>>543218158
feel like those have been in for a while. ive been noticing a lot more rural churches so i think maybe that category got bumped up

>>543216135
Ah, that's it. Alright alright.

>>543216506
I swear to god I spotted a modern rifle/handloader's a couple times and passed on it because I had the skill and wasn't paying attention to the recipes. God I hate researching houses. Guess I'll load up shift+V and go for a quick jog.

>>543218694
I don't think it's been that long. they're in 0.H but weren't in 0.G

>what holsters do the RM103, Vz Skorpion, and Colt fit into?
Shoulder holster at 2 encumb or Chestrig at 1-4.
The Colt optionally can get stuffed in a fast draw, but honestly at infinity more noise (~30) for basically 4 armor piercing and about 4 damage over a bodkin arrow? It fires a bit faster, I guess, 100-160 vs 130-190. But if I'm at the point I can't plink critters I feel like I'm better off pulling out something with more stopping power anyways, instead of trying to live out the sidearm-last-stand dream.
Or just running away.

>>543218449
>firearms kit
remember that you can accurize things to dark green ++ beyond fully repaired
that Sharps looks fun, you get more experience when you shoot at longer ranges and 48 is plenty to give you time to change your mind about all the attention you're attracting
>attachment porn
so the important numbers are this:
handling only reduces felt recoil, don't worry about it for your sharps just focus on dispersion
you can attach multiple sighting options to a gun and it uses both the fastest aim speed and the tightest sight dispersion
this means you want an underbarrel laser (extremely rare) or rail laser (rare, smaller and not as good but compatible with the grenade launcher or bipod) and some form of telescopic sight
>>543218449
>easiest to feed
make a flintlock rifle, bullet crossbow, coilgun, or pneumatic assault rifle
alternatively if you have a few thousand rounds of 5.56 you should just use the M4A1 with the M203 and refuse to give a fuck
>>543219387
yeah the shoulder holsters are probably not worth it
I've had the backup pistol save my ass against a shocker brute or something when I ran out of ammo for my primary and was too tired and pained to flee, but that was because I was playing extremely carelessly

Someone who is good at EDC please help me, these ounces are becoming lower back problems

>>543219838
aim speed and sight dispersion both want to be low, right?
I thought higher aim was better but it looks like lower is green in I-compare but I honestly can't tell the difference between a 5-dot and a bow scope at aim speed 5 vs 2. Is the .06kg difference just eating the aim speed difference?

just throwin this out there. the .22 pistols and 10/22 rifle are actually more useful then youd expect. with a can, you can replace a spear. its 0 noise, and shoots through chainlink fences and over sandbags, so you can use them just like a spear. keep a distance of a few squares and just keep backing up. tedious, but itll let you train your pistols/rifles at the same time. even MORE tedious, but if you find a 22 that accepts a can and doesnt require a magazine, its a spear that fits in your pocket, weighs a quarter and requires no magazines to keep track of.

>https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/83376
>All butchering tasks significantly increased, an example would be a 1hr butcher time being increased to 7hrs. Not even taking into account that butchering is a heavy drain on weariness, so 7 hrs would easily wind up taking longer
>This includes dissecting, which means getting weak point proficiencies is even more of a grind
>Literally just applied a 7x multiplier to the time, with 0 regard to anything else like rot time or weariness or the fact that if you get interrupted then you lose all progress even at 99% completion
>Author of this commit is Kevin himself
Every fucking time

>>543220797
Come to Bright Nights, we have cookies

>>543220658
are you on foot? you really dont need cough syrup, your laptop, umbrella, firearm kit, yadda yadda. i wouldnt even bother carrying water on me.
if you are on foot (magic boots, i guess your doing the island hop thing?) then the only thing i see is switching the laptop for an e-book reader, unless theres something real specific you need it for

>>543220797
>people cheesing the mechanics can no longer cheese the mechanics
>a difficult task is now difficult
oh no

>>543220658
aim speed wants to be high, sight dispersion wants to be low
I don't think bow scopes are ever worth it but I am not an archery guy

here's what I'd leave behind:
>baseball helmet
you want your eyes unencumbered if you're doing ranged
>survivor telescope
if you have a telescopic sight on your gun or bow it's redundant, they provide the same buff
>firearm repair kit
leave it wherever you sleep
>stethoscope
leave it in your vehicle
>umbrella
really?
>thermoblade
why
>laptop computer
for what purpose, e-reader is pretty much always better and there's no real reason to have it away from base
>drugs
I would not be bringing so much but okay, fine

I'd ditch the fencing jacket, swap the halligan bar out for a claw bar, and leave the wakizashi at home if you're going so hard into ranged
where's your dual hip flasks?
are you night raiding? that would explain the UPS and goggles but I feel like you could clean out towns in the daylight with this loadout
>>543220773
coilgun is the same way but requires UPS

anyone else only listen to power metal when playing. shit just fits

>>543221018
Dissect is like an hour, depending on mass. Proficiency gain is like 7%, vaguely, sometimes. 100/7 = 14. It it cheese to gain a proficiency in 14 hours, which is a full in-game day minus sleep of just butchery, and which realistically takes 2 in-game days of butchering and killing stuff to get enough relevant bodies?

Is 14 in-game days a correct amount of time to spend getting zombie proficiency?
That's without boiling water and making food, meaning it's probably closer to 20 to 25 days for one dissection proficiency.

Where's the cheese?

>Rot time might need to be re-examined
good thing I mostly don't eat meat in game, as it is now close to impossible to make efficiently, sounds like.

>>543223054
Isn't power metal the gay one? Dungeon synth is the only roguelike approved genre

>>543224087
just because it goes hard doesn't mean it's gay. it's the straightest genre there is

>>543224140
Yeah, like what, you don't want to slay the dragon and rescue the princess? Are you a homo?

>>543220658
I went and fired up my old character for shits and giggles, here's what traveling light looks like
the magazine pouch is ammo for the glock
the chest rig is .44 mag speed loaders
it's mostly for larp
if I knew I was going to get up to something I'd maybe bring an electrohack or control laptop, or a long range weapon
the ring has clairvoyance
the survivor belt has: multi-tool, crowbar, entrenching tool, extendable quarterstaff, cutlass
nomad gear or light nomad gear are excellent swaps for the suit slots, and the back slot can be similarly swapped out if you aren't trying to dodge things
survivor gear is too strong if you want protection and storage
nomad gear is the best if you just want storage

>>543224140
>it's the straightest genre there is
hahahahahahha
More like power bottom

>>543224609
>Atomic headlamp
Fuck, I remember the one time it got damaged and I was dumping fucking everything from my inventory one at a time constantly scanning myself to see what was giving me radiation AIDS. Didn't help I was going through a lab and had a whole bunch of plutonium/betavoltic cells I was being paranoid about.

immersion immediately ruined in cdda when i realized i could haul a fridge from a nearby motel to the base and hook it up to the grid in less than 30 in-game minutes

>>543225576
You mean plug it into the wall?
With an outlet?
In one minute?

I'm sorry, do fridges not use wall sockets?

>>543224609
never forget your tinfoil hat

>>543220773
Genuinely sounds like what I've been doing with bow, so easy adaptation period and grinding. Insane tip, thanks. I still just need to figure out the ammo, which means hunting down that dumb handloader book.

>>543220941
I like the laptop for hackin robits. The firearm kit was mostly just something I carried for the qualities, but it's like 80% overlap with the multitool, so yeah. I don't even know if cough syrup helps with smoke inhalation, I assume it doesn't and I'm a retard but there's no way to know- The oxygen kit was a recent find

>>543221641
>baseball helmet
Just contributes to head encumbrance, apparently.

>if you have a telescopic sight...it's redundant
lmao of course it is

>stethoscope
muh halligna 5head

>umbrella
uwu, etc (yeah)

>thermoblade
because cool, 30 butchering (shark teef, triffid stingers, yippee)

>laptop
Gotta hack da robits

>drugs
Yeah, the oxygen pack is 1kg, I don't think I NEED it. Then 80% of my c:drugs is bandages

I'm night raiding, yeah. I probably could clear out town square mashing f-p with this bow, but the night feels better.
I stumble into melee range enough that I'm nervous to not wear the jacket, I like using the Halligan because it cracks safes and the wakizashi is just weebery
...Are dual-hip-flasks just weebery too? I gotta pick and choose, here


I've been hoping to find the books for the coilgun since last thread, yeah. Currently cracking open a science lab and then a lab after. Broke down some dissectors and I've got a spare bionics scanner and... At least a few things with plutonium (if nothing else I rob the atomic car I plugged into the house to hold my solar panels), so I'll have a good time tossing all these science zombinos in there, go drop off my excess weight.

I only ride my bike around the outskirts, vehicles just feel too unwieldy. I can always get out and pull it past any debris if I get stuck badly, but like... Ew.

>>543223824
>spend two days straight dissecting cadavers with the intent to study anatomy and practice organ removal

If someone signed up to work at a meat packing plant and still obliterated the organs half the time after their first 40 hour shift I'd fuckin take em out back and put them out of our mutual misery 2B-desu

>>543225989
>I gotta pick and choose, here
you don't actually, the hip flasks weigh almost nothing and have zero encumbrance
I think the scabbard or hiking backpack is the best way to bring your wakizashi, aren't baldrics weirdly encumbering?
>night raiding
ah. I've never tried that, I've always just armored up and beat entire towns worth of zombies to death
can laptops hack robots? I thought you needed a control laptop for that

>>543226879
I've heard control laptops are gone from BN (and DDA). You need a USB stick with HackPRO on it, and a laptop.

...I do see a control laptop recipe though

Baldric is 0-3 encumbrance. Better than an XL holster or scabbard or whatever else. Might be an older thing.

Well, no real good loss of weight. Quite nicely refactored my armor loadout and traded up the tactical backpack for a survivor hiker, crazy good 1.35 encumbrance to volume.
Gonna hold on to the fencing suit, pretty efficient at 5 encumb for 100% coverage and 665.
Might like to get a nomad or survivor suit set up- I think I know where a rain suit is, just gotta keep my eyes out for more kevlar. I've gigged enough soldiers around here, just gotta... Remember where they are, again.

God I wish we had personal zones in BN

>>543230954
>BN added HRTs before Ozempic
Priority

>day 10
I thought I'd have to make biodiesel, but I finally found fuel - in a lumbermill.
Spent the next day working on the car adding cargo carriers with the few welding rods I've scavenged, and the day after that moving everything onto the car.

It's time to graduate from the evac shelter!

>>543231160
You're literally cutting off your nose to spite your face being mad about that, bud.
It's not really a big deal if everyone is wearing a bra and boyshorts. Boyshorts are cute, suck my dick fatso.
Also, I know you're just mad about HERT but Ozempic's primary mechanism for aiding weightloss is in managing hunger/appetite. It's not some thermal law violating magic serum, it just makes fat fucks who can't put down the fork... Put down the fork.
There's no trait that makes you compulsively overeat, your hunger is based on your calorie burn and you don't worry about weight.

...Also, I've heard DDA added birth control and HRT but I can't seem to find the HRT in BN. Are you well?

>>543223054
link me my nigger

>>543220797
>the fact that if you get interrupted then you lose all progress even at 99% completion
DDA has had resumable butchering for a while now

>people acted surprise that BNfags are trannies when they added the troonshine PR
Always been

>>543225989
pretty sure its only for actual coughing. does smoke make you cough in cdda?

unrelated, just noticed this. im selling shit to the refugee center, and for some reason its seperating the books into two categories, under the same name. not really an issue, just, weird. i dont think ive noticed that before

>>543232606
oh thats fucking weird. if i hit T to select an entire category, then go down, it highlights in this order
>all the books, with the tool magazines not selected
>tool magazines
>then all the books AGAIN
>then goes to the next page selecting the final books

somethings fucked up. its seeing the book category twice, but its correctly highlighting both separate section of books each time. uh ohhh

almost latest experimental, i pretty much update each time i fire it up

is this a reference to anything. on the top of the silos were a bunch of bodies, that all revived nearly instantly. also weirdly, i found isherwood farms a while ago, and when every zombie stood up, the "found isherwood" achievement appeared.

How to make disabling effects (like stun) balanced?

What's a cool place to set up a base?
Refugee/Scrapper/Hub are all pretty close to each other. Meanwhile Exodii is very far to the NE - 350+ tiles. There's decent access to labs (new lab on an island to the south, hallway lab to the east near hub). Speedway could be an interesting base, as would the resort. There's a relatively isolated gas station just south of the scrapper if I want to play it safe.

>>543231941
Rather than bust my way through that city, I cut a path through the forest and made my way to the refugee center. It was a little dangerous passing so close to the mi-go scout tower but otherwise fine.
Before going, I fully looted both libraries I had found, taking all of the porn books and korean isekai lightnovels. and then i bought out all of the merch smokes had. I had over 800 merch so I picked up the mercenary that costs 750 merch.

>>543233324
mine is doing that too. but I don't think it did that even a few days ago.
anyway i won't be updating because of this flat 7x butchery mod >>543220797

>>543236102
It depends mostly on what you want the disabling effects to actually do, doesn't it anon?
Are you just adding them because you're used to seeing them in the games you play?
Do you have a particular game in mind that you think has unbalanced disables?
Are you using stun as a "entity cannot act for X turns" or the way it's used in some other games, where it's a malus to speed, defense, cooldowns or something else?

>run CBM
>no hits most of the time
>still have to dissect because the zombies have superalloy plates inside them

>>543239845
Most games have disabling effects but make bosses immune to them. In all honesty I don't see the point of such a system.

>>543240104
Most obvious example of good and bad stun is darkest dungeon 1. All combat in that game is balanced such that enemies tend to be stronger than you in terms of raw output, and when they aren't, they pump stress into you such that you lose if you just trade. Since an enemy turn tends to be worth more than a player turn, a stunner lets you decrease the incoming damage relative to outgoing damage, bringing you close to an even 50/50 trade, (though that trade is zero actions on either team)

As healing tends to heal less than the damage you're taking, a stunner is effectivly a healer by way of prevention.

A stunner doesn't have to kill an enemy to take one of its turns, meaning you can target the strongest enemy in a formation, and your stunner has effectivly become as valuable as the strongest enemy.

As you can remove enemies from play by killing them, a stunner turns a 4v3 into a 4v2, or a 4v2 into a 4v1 for a bit. That means, when you're wrapping up a fight, you can use more of your recovery moves and take less punishment for it.

As a result, it would hypothetically be possible to keep 1 enemy alive and stun them, and so full heal, so the game has to implements mechanics that punish stalling, in order to make up for the boring bits which stunning might enable.

As a stun is basically always the correct move if it's ever the correct move, the game also has to implement a stun-resist buff on recently stunned enemies, so that you don't just stun every turn. While the stunner does a lot of good, a really good team will be able to use their other abilities effectively. What would be a very conceptually simple move, to the point where it renders the game itself simple, instead encourages players to use whatever odd tools the stunner has available.

Then, there's monster train.

Now that I think about it hard disables can be allowed to be good if the game has real mana management
Geeze it's really that easy.

>>543239789
>hmm maybe i'll build my base in that racetrack
>not one but two portals right on top of it

>>543245450
I think monster train has a "stun" debuff, but it definitely has "daze".

Daze is a debuf applied by certain spell cards, and can easily be debuffed by increasing the cost of those cards. It makes the enemy not attack on their turn.

In monster train, there are 4 floors, 3 of which may have monsters on them. Enemies spawn on the bottom floor, and then move up each turn, attacking once and being attacked once per turn. A daze on the first 3 floors spares your summoned monsters some incomming damage. A daze on the top floor spares your personal HP an attack, and lets your personal body-thing deal 1 extra attack, since you get one turn where you attack and the enemy does not.

If your monsters have enough hp to live for the whole level, then dazing an enemy who would attack them does nothing. If you have armor, then daze does nothing (other than maybe dodge some debuffs). If your first floor has lots of damage and the quick ability, then dazing an enemy does nothing, because they will already die before they move. If your floor has lots of stealth, then your daze does nothing. If you're running a thorns build, then your daze decreases the damage you're dealing to the enemy. If your defense is already taken care of, or your offense is overwelming, then there's no point in dazing an enemy. As this is a deck building game, every new resource you add decreases the rate at which you get other resources. In general, adding effects that fit simmilar roles will make your deck less consistent, less able to actually do anything, more likely to deaddraw.

Having overlapping effects that do the same job automatically means that, sometimes, it would be bad to add a strictly superior option to a deck.
Having lots of individual targets means that single-target stuns don't really solve everything, even if they might often help.

Main problem with moves in a game is if they break the game, remove the play from the gameplay. If the player has to pay attention, good

>>543246479
Monster Train's way to "balance" spells is that you can't cast spells during combat where it turns into an autobattler. It is not a very good comparison to traditional turn based games.

>>543246173
>died trying to take the resort
my two followers were smashing zombies five squares away while I got eaten alive

>>543252720
>ignoring
this dude went on to become a farmer and die quietly
>smashing
the girl died from an infection shortly afterwards. she said "everyone i ever loved is now dead, so death can't comet too soon"

Ok so the coilgun is nice. Really pumps out rounds fast, as long as you don't have to re-aim, decent penetration.
Absofuckinglutely blows through battery power though and it's so asssss recharging heavy batteries for the UPS.
God but the initial aim time is absolutely awful, stability is fuckin weird, I dunno. Still, it's grinding my rifle skill up just fine.

Cleared out a 2x3 home improvement store, a ton of garbage in there. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do about a vehicle. Finding wheels is so ass. Dunno how to repair em, but I guess I should figure it out. Pressing (R)epair just tells me I need an entire wheel. Maybe if I lug over my arc welder and some rubber (that's what Hitchiker's Guide to BN says it needs) it'll change? Got my lab journal and advanced electronics out of the science lab. I think I might actually go visit to lab north of that, it's just through empty fields, I want the other lab journal too.

>>543246479
Monster train has me fuming, I ran my very first run all the way to the final boss and I had a question about the mechanics- Some keyword or something -and so I tested it out.
And it froze my car. And the next and the next and the next and then it killed bell or heart or brazier or whatever the fuck was up there (long time ago, desu)
All with zero intervention opportunities on my part.

Uninstalled it. Bad game. 0/10 Negative development quality gg no re

>>543246959
Who just puts an anvil in a box? They've robbed you of the natural joy of cobbling it together out of a nearby vehicle!
>>543252720
I will never understand the type of CDDA player that just wades into a zombe horde and tabs to see if they'll come out on top. Y'all are some creatures.

>>543215767
had this happen again. the last time, nothing happened. so i figured it was fine and just passed time for the weather to change.
then i got eaten by a gru

>>543257687
>that just wades into a zombe horde and tabs
not really what happened. the NPCs will charge in like suicidal maniacs. so you move together with them. but then they fell back and started smashing corpses, leaving me alone. the three of us would have had no problem with this crowd, especially since they trickled in a few at a time.

>>543257687
Is there any mode of combat other than tabbing a horde or wogging from a horde?

I want to mod Cataclysm again but I'm so tired of DDA's constant changes that breaks my mods

>>543261509
time to make your own fork

>spot a bullet sling
>Oh cool I can train my rifle skill like anon said
>you have to reload it manually, stone pouches don't hold ball bearings, go fuck yourself

Literally gonna find the nearest horde and kms

oh cool, i was expecting a turret here but it's unguarded

>>543267291
I'll see you faggots in hell
I thought BN was the "fun" fork, where the fuck are the practice recipes??

is there any reason NOT to make a base on top of a science lab?

>>543268936
hmm i wonder what happened

>>543268936
That's crazy, mine is full of dissectors and spiderbots
(Spiderbots can't open doors so you just hack them through the wall)
(same for the light turrets)
(Manhacks are too dumb to hack but they're all too dumb to open doors or follow you more than five tiles away)

>>543269302
oh.
well.
that worked out, then.

It's kind of retarded, because I've nocked thousands of arrows but only pegged level 5 Archery.
I'd do it again in a heartbeat, desu.
Come to think of it, at least I can just hold F for bow and I don't have to wait as often for focus because it takes longer time units to shoot. May as well knock that out here, while I'm at it, get marksmanship up to 10 too

>>543270364
$_$

>>543271852
It's not all fun and games. The girl I came here with... she was sleeping when I went down to investigate, but missing when I came back.
I eventually found her.

>me sowing
This sucks, boo, I'm just shooting at a wall, it took me ten minutes, what do you mean 24% chance of complications to install? I already got an autoclave and everything, are you kidding me?
>me reaping
HAhahahahaHA fuck yes haha yeah!

>>543274107
Oh damn. That's rough buddy. I hope you find another survivor to sleep with soon or whatever :)

>>543252313
You can command allies to ignore pulping corpses, you know. Even mid fight.

>>543261509
Stick to the 0.I release candidate, experimental currently isn't worth it since it only recently split and completely breaks compatibility.
JP modding community keeps a bunch of mods updated like Kenan's modpack by just sticking to the latest big release like 0.I

>>543279517
you think I didn't try that?
of course it doesn't work

>>543280070
Oh must be a bug, I used to do it all the time. Haven't played in a long while though

>>543280148
It just occurred to me, one reason NPCs will ignore orders is if you've set an override, which is easy to do accidentally. Be sure to clear them first if you need to order them to do X right now

>>543267792
>I thought BN was the "fun" fork, where the fuck are the practice recipes??
They don't exist because you don't have skill rust and th-

you know what, shut up.

Splatted a couple survivors after starting DDA after not playing for several years.
What was the survival shelter meta again? Does it even still exist?
Something about using rocks to smash things and grinding skills making spears and bags until nightfall?

>>543286882
>Something about using rocks to smash things and grinding skills making spears and bags until nightfall?
No, fight during the day with a fast weapon like a kitchen knife and kite enemies into bushes to get 2-3 free strikes before moving away and repeating. That strat works for even minimum skill characters with 4 in everything and awful traits. Night time raiding isn't worth unless you have night vision + decent perception or are trying to go for a specific location in a middle of a city.

>>543288483
How do you deal with the big piles of dozens of zombies everywhere?

>>543288795
Kill em
Early on you either avoid them, or slowly pull small amounts of them at a time to slowly clear them whole group.
Once you get better combat skills, you could just hold tab on a window and easily clear it so long as you watch your stamina.
A spear + climbing onto a roof will let you clear it, just have a gun ready to kill any potential ranged enemies or grabbers.
Molotov, Grenades and pipebombs will easily do the job.
Day time raiding is better because you can see dangerous enemies from far away and choose to go somewhere else, Night time raiding means you wont know if you ran into something dangerous till its in your face.

>>543286882
>DDA
We BN now, son

>DDA has most features and new cool things every now and then like Lixa, silent farm, subway void spider nest and that one gigalab with an actual boss and good loot but also Kevin gigaretardmegafaggotautism
>BN has little new features and feels like old DDA but no Kevinism
>TLG has ???

i spawned in with body weight of skeletal, but my dude doesnt want to eat, hes already full. what do. cdda

>>543293237
Wormgirl's idea of what DDA should be. It's harder, there's a few things cut, but it's a very recent fork so there's not a lot of difference with DDA yet. It's one to watch, but I'm not playing it for now

>>543293921
eat cooking oil to bulk up fast

>>543294123
ill keep that in mind next time. he was so malnourished that he lost control of the truck long enough that migos flooded the car. whoops. dont try to eat while full kiddos

>>543293921
drink high calorie slop
the less full it makes you the better

is it just me or have books become absurdly easy to find. every house has like 12-15 books, and even with their value being downgraded for trading within 4 houses im leaving books behind and carrying 400$ worth of stuff to trade without breaking a sweat. now every 2 houses i need to stop, connect my phone/etablet to the dash of my ride and spend 2-7 hours scanning everything. im just skipping that now

>Do 1st refugee center quest
>Try to fight zombies on doorway
>Zombies spill out despite my character blocking the way
>Nearby guards turn hostile on me because of the new "feature" where NPCs turn hostile on you if there is alot of enemies nearby
>Search up if theres anyway to get them to stop being hostile
>Nope, only debug mode can fix it as they are permanently hostile
clown game

>>543297327
>>Nearby guards turn hostile on me because of the new "feature" where NPCs turn hostile on you if there is alot of enemies nearby
lol. are you sure you didnt just autoattack one accidentally, i forget and do that all the time.

if it really is a thing then just set up a spinning blade trap, set it up in the doorway and just stand far away but close enough for the reality bubble to annihilate everything (including the friendlies lel)

>>543298448
>lol. are you sure you didnt just autoattack one accidentally, i forget and do that all the time.
Its a thing, NPCs can get angry and turn hostile if they see you do shit they don't like, such as butchering humans. Though I'm thinking its a bug because 2/3 of the guards in the back bay turned hostile and I was able to kill them with 0 repercussions since the refugee center itself didn't turn hostile.

>>543221018
Ughhh I love my green spinning bar simulator!!

Who benefits from this other than actual artists? Like who the fuck was saying "butchering is too easy, this needs to take longer?"

Thank fuck BN exists, DDA continues it slow but steady death spiral.

>>543229450
yeah but baldrics are on the torso instead of the legs
I guess I'm giving advice for a melee build, huh
>>543254126
throw some mods on your coilgun, a laser helps a lot with that initial aiming
>wheel repair
if your wheel is broken you need to replace it, if it's still telling you to replace it when it's not completely XX try removing it and repairing it manually with the welder
>>543267291
stone pouches are for large rocks, ball bearings count as the pebble ammo type (and you should be making small sling bullets for pebbles instead out of car batteries)
you use ammo satches or leg ammo satchels for the pebble ammo type
>>543268936
lag, you don't want anything underneath your base moving around
>>543270364
god I love the laser rifle it's so broken

>>543293237
TLG is constantly getting backports
>>543221018
but i guarantee you it will skip retarded changes like this

>>543304190
>TLG is contantly getting backports
BN got backports for a long time, but sooner or later a fork diverges from its parent enough that it becomes so difficult to backport things that it's no longer worth it.

>>543293946
I tried TLG before BN and the pockets made me want to gouge my eyes out, trying to figure out where all those fucking paper wrappers were going was fucking torture

>>543309015
you actually have to be a brainlet to get filtered by pockets lol

>>543303126
I don't even take off my fuck off 60 volume backpack to fight :3

I'm still looking for a laser sight, yeah. It's as tricked out as I can get it, I think pushing Rifles/Marksmanship to 10 will have improved its performance, though. I can barely tell what mods I can put on this thing- As far as I can see there aren't 4 "accessories" or "mechanisms" each in the whole game (at least not craftable). I'm lucky I had this rifle scope attached to another gun, though, so I think even if I do get a laser sight it's only going from 7 to 8 or 9 aim.
Put a reflex stock on (god knows I don't need more -dispersion) so I can die trying to burstfire the zambinos.

Makes sense about the ball bearings though. I wish it wasn't so hard to find stuff sometimes.

>>543309156
I think it wouldn't be a pain now, but I was still trying to figure out which objects I could use to bash other objects to make lockpicks and crowbars and pointy sticks and dealing with incidental ground surfaceless crafting penalties and shit.
It's gave "You Can't Get Ye Flask"

>>543311983
i wish i was able to bounce back and forth between BN and TLG but pockets was not a great hill to die on for BN, it feels so behind, even if it is fun

>>543311724
I don't think the rifle scope is a good idea, I'd slap a red dot on instead if you find one due to how bad the dispersion is on the coilgun
it's just adding weight for little gain
>recoil stock
it has no recoil, this does nothing for you
>forward grip
this also does nothing for you
I think the moves are either an "adjustable stock" or "cheek pad" in the stock location or maybe a folding stock if you don't care about any of that
basically, take all of that shit off it's worse than if it were naked

So do fish like... Spawn? Should I craft that fish trap / pro fishing rod and get to smoking seafood (pondfood) for the winter?

>>543312867
I do kind of think I'd like them now too; From what I've seen in the Discord BN's "pockets suck ass" phase was "pockets being implemented hard and fast with zero fucking management tools sucked hard dicks until it finally got fixed" and a couple people are working on implementing it (but they can't straight port because they're half-assing switching the data structures over and so the best you get is "items are free to pickup with their container if they're ejected by dropping a container reducing your max volume too far, favorites SHOULD get ejected last"

I recognize though that it be convenient to filter that by category instead of favorites (but the dozens of ammo pouches and web vests work alright), that and personal zones would be great.

roguelikes my nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKwcHz4Hqg

>>543312872
Of course.
I took off the adjustable stock because it was such a minor buff to dispersion anyways "Ah, recoil, that'll let me fire the gun in full auto"
But really it was just my low skills and firing at too far a range, I think

I AM looking up what the difference in semi-auto and automatic is though.

>the gun collection grows
Guess I'm training handguns next

Where the FUCK is maintainer for auto-drive.
I just want to fucking talk.
I just want to talk to them
Is this a fucking JOKE?
I just want to talk, ok? I just wanna talk

what's going on in that image

>>543315794
This fuck faggot useless piece of shit fucking autodrive drove my fucking bicycle into a fucking pit, breaking the front wheel. It was controlling weird after I replaced it too, so I've rebuilt the dumb thing anyways but like...

Cataclysm and all its forks are more AGPlike than roguelike desu

>>543319618
God, I had to haul an arc welder out there and disassemble it by hand, couldn't haul it out even with (G)rab what a pain in the ass

Oh well, back on track. Clearing hordes with ranged has started to take its toll. Even with a fairly decent recover chance, I'm running through 60+ arrows clearing out 3-4 house long streets- And that's one tapping most things, besides skeletal juggernauts/dissolute devourers. I can see the appeal of melee, the hordes are endless but the real trouble is the hunt and peck butcher processing system (and needing a couple hours to full butcher, but having no idea what ratio of bone I should get from quick butcher, full butcher or dissect)
Wish I had a sustainable source of sharp teeth (besides hoping hunters/etc die and I can butcher them). I can't tell if carbon fiber is strictly better or if I should keep shark tooth/bodkin arrows around. I wish the damage functions weren't so deeply opaque (and likely buried behind an undocumented change only visible through an oblique github pull request and sporadic social media posts)

>>543299758
honestly i never butchered anything and always wondered why everyone was talking about having basically more food then they could shake a stick at, and now i know. everyone was just cheesing it. you could butcher an entire cow and get hundreds of pounds of high quality food and preserve it all, without any real skill or knowledge, as an office worker spawning in?
now it makes sense. anyways, you can still do that, just go to the debug menu, search the debug traits and use them. its basically the same, cheesing, cheating, yadda yadda

i literally already do this myself so i can speed run random starts, i will simply debug in the stats from books and drop and leave some food in exchange for time skip. make a macro for it lol

Is it possible to mutate and just become ugly? Ive mutated and im not sure what else it could of been. To real for me.

>>543325493
lmao

>>543325493
Yes, that is a potential mutation

>>543329549
there better be an achievement mentioning scrooge

>>543329549
I forgot about that.
Gather up a bunch of cash and test it out, anon.
Surely it gives a huge morale bonus, of course?

>>543331384
it's only 10 money bundles
I've been turning them into paper so I don't have any on me...

have they fixed the fucking solar suitcase yet, i dont want to trade and find out its worthless still

How do you deal with ferals early game? I'm finding it impossible to avoid them, their perception and ability to open doors makes it very hard.

And their special attack does a heap of blunt damage which early game armour does nothing to prevent. And you can't block or parry, or dodge a thrown stone. So after running into a few ferals half your torso HP is gone

>>543337004
they wont run through fire, so you can light doorways on fire. if theres a clear path for them to run around it wont slow them that much, but if there isnt, they will burn to death eventually. it does sorta seem like your fucked if you come across them early. i guess they wont climb, so find a drain pipe asap?

>>543338091
It's a balance problem. Too many players are starting with supersoldier builds or rushing OP pick-up items.

It's the same problem with ambient mi-go , except that there are hundreds of ferals, it's effectively a whole class of z.

And the feral mechanic is great, in and of itself, but it's a balance Issue because ferals are also agile, strong, armed, trackers, pathing.

Just got killed for the third time by a feral, which somehow stunlocked me with a crowbar and hit me 20 times in 20 seconds, even with a ballistic vest this killed me.

Alcohol withdrawal is still totally bugged, it triggers every couple of seconds spamming your action feed, preventing and interacting all auto actions, and inflicting so many debufs that you might as well be dead

>>543342673
you should be be able to ignore withdrawel, i was able to ignore it with stimulant withdrawal. the debuffs do really fuck you eitherway, i think its intended that you really should only intend to attempt it if your completely safe and dont need to do anything at all. its a hard mode challenge, really.
pretty sure the ballistic vest doesn't really have much protection against bash/cut, only ballistic. plates help but they only cover barely anything

oh shit when did they nerf molotovs? seems fair, but i wasnt expecting it. instead of it making a 3x3 pile of fire, it only lit 4 random squares with a weak fire and it went out in barely a few mins. damn. so much for cheesing that.

>>543344932
wow fuck i didnt manage to kill a single zed with 2 molotovs. oof. it was pretty silly how effective it was, way too easy to just kite entire army bases with some time

>>543345216
Losing all the drops seemed like a fair trade.

>>543345996
not really. youd still loot those heli/army outposts and walk away with 2000+ rounds and the armory. the only real downside was how boring it was to do a hundred loops around a fire

>>543346201
okay, now that molotovs suck ass, whoever gets to it first, needs to find a car with a good gas tank and a leaking gas tank, and siphon some gas into the leaking tank, and SLOWLY drive in a few circles, so theres a big long unbroken line of gasoline left behind, set that on fire and see if thats a feasible method to burn shit. no longer a small patch of fire, but if we can leave big long "fences" of fire to bait zeds into, that might be the next best thing. outside of just using traps and spinners. its a lot more prep and you need a lot more space and burn a lot more gas, but i cant think of anything else.

>suddenly taking damage when I shouldn't be
>check inventory
>plutonium cell is cracked
>repair it with a soldering iron
how fucked am i now? it was about two hours

>>543346614
dig hole

>>543347383
last time i took rad's it was from a looted missle silo and it pretty much fucked me super hard. start looking for prussian blue asap. rad poisoning is not easy to get rid of

>>543347772
well fuck. I don't have any prussian blue. Checked a nearby dump, no luck. I have a TCL nearby, so the plan is to roll in guns blasting and hope that something drops a prussian blue.

>>543347383
you'll be fine as long as you weren't standing in your base, wherever it was leaking is likely permanently radioactive and you'll need to move if it was near your shit

>>543350148
what fork are you on? if it's BN you can tell how badly irradiated you are by looking at your Radiation[X] value on the status screen
you should also generally just have a geiger counter and scan yourself and your surroundings after that sort of incident

not particularly brutal to craft either, huh

>>543299424
They clearly violated the NAP first.

>raided TCL medbay
>no prussian blue
I'm fucked. I am going to have to raid the actual deep lab
>...that's what I did
>found some PB on a scientist on the very stairwell into the black zone
>after fighting/trapping shit like shelled mutants
all right, now I can leave. wow, that was intense.

>>543350157
I've got six prussian blues, should I take them all at once or once a day or how does that thing work? I don't see anything on my effects screen.

>>543350242
>electronics 5
>written in advanced electronics
harder to craft than an autohack. but
I don't really have any electronics. Everything had been slowly taking damage and I couldn't sleep.

>>543355728
I have no idea but I do once a day.
oh, you're on DDA, I have no fucking clue how radiation works in that game, you could be already dead

>>543355728
Once a day was good when I last played, but yeah, I don't know what DDA devs have done with radiation either

>Wrist Computer (8/600)
I guess I've got a pipboy now

>>543355824
>>543356963
yeah fair point. I did some json diving, looks like it lasts 3 hours (10800 "duration"?). if i'm guessing correctly, this means it reduces about.... 18 rads per pill. i definitely have at least 10x that amount.
But I've managed to somewhat stabilize my condition. At least I'm not losing hp anymore.

>>543337004
Bush
400 move cost per turn

I wish we still could make lolis in cataclysm

I uhhhh what the fuck

>>543355728
>go through that whole ordeal
>walk into a Quiet Farmhouse
>teleported to some spooky place
apparently it's on some timer. so i just died.
guess I should think twice before investigating those farmhouses from now on.

checked the debug menu and my rads were at around 180, down from about 280 at peak.

I never really got to use the laser rifle.

>>543360045
>never got to use the laser rifle
RIP, it's really such a QoL item
does DDA still have the vehicle turrets that will automatically shoot at enemies? it's the ideal weapon for that, you can just slowly drive through town and it'll kill everything that isn't a skeletal juggernaut

finally killed enough of my local zombies andto actually get to town and decided to climb this three story tall local craft shop and have a look at this fresh save
>collapsed tower
oh fuck, I don't think I've ever found that thing on my own before, what a cool location
clearing it out is going to be a pain if I can't find a cleansuit and a gas mask at least, and all of the surrounding buildings are such high value...
what a pain, I REALLY need to find a gas mask or (ideally) firefighter PBA now

a bank, two milsurps, a gun store, a dojo, a fitness gym (chance for pugilism!!!), an augmentation clinic.....
man this town has everything, fuck, what a time to find the collapsed tower goddamn fuck

>>543360867
>collapsed tower
is it still aids with infinitely respawning enemies with high dodge that all explode into vision blocking toxic brap gas?

>>543362286
>infinitely respawning
I went in with an endgame character and the RM13. I can absolutely, with no uncertainty, guarantee that they are not infinite and if you kill all the tentacles and flesh walls or whatever they will stop spawning.
I don't know how actually spicy it all is in melee due to the aforementioned melee god character but it is clearable
clairvoyance is almost required just to navigate it because you need to keep excavating passageways

>>543357998
Radiation should naturally decay too, right?

>>543355728
its like 1 or 2 every six hours for the prussian blue. i think you can overdose on it as well. and when i had rad poisoning, i ended up needing like 40-50 because my level was like 1400 and the prussian blue only took it down like 40-50 each time. something like that, pretty low

>>543360358
I think so, although I've never used that option. I saw something like that in the turret menu, but I don't really use turrets, ammo is too scarce. But if you could mount a laser rifle... that would be amazing. I'd like to see that one day.

>>543359880
if youve ever eaten these, youve also eaten wax used in flooring.
the more you know™

>>543364406
I found a nanofabricator recipe for it and enough nanofab juice in a collapsed tower once
one laser at each corner

>>543360358
>>543364406
its in there and yep. it just drains power and you need good mechanics to install a turret and auto thingy, whatamacalled.
protip since someone here told me about it: install a cargo box below your turret to automatically collect spent casings and belt links

Why yes I do make mods cataclysm even though I haven't played the game properly in years

Felt like a break from Cata, so I figured... If the problem with Forgewright is that you want to train both FW school AND like four or five other schools? Just... Don't? Don't think, no thoughts, head empty, max out at 15 in all your skills and kill yourself?

I would've worshipped anyone but Sif but I love pressing faded altars (and Gozag or Kiku would've been dope). I'll get plenty of mana at least, right- I'm thinking I might put on this guardian spirit amulet by Lair, it's got rPois.

I think this probably isn't worth switching to. The chance to get AOE'd is there, but it's not a huge risk for a while yet. Absolutely carried by an Eveningstar I found on D:2 or 3, that's the real man's use case for Grapnel obviously.

>>543367974
Something useful, like porting over Magiclysm and making Technomancer houses more common?

Or just lolishit cosmetics?

>>543367974
>mfw i joke about vibrators in cdda here, someone randomly makes it and posts the file here, and now i notice its in the game
cool. i wonder if that guy made the commit as well

>>543371558
oh wait it was a buttplug, maybe its not actually in. but someone should put it in. i remember it was supposed to be a wearable so you could just use it on the go for a mood boost like an mp3 player but it didnt quite work. someone get to it asap

>>543369665
>lolishit cosmetics?
they have those??

>>543368854
On the other hand, maybe this is a worthwhile upgrade. +5 int/+2 dex isn't nothin, though, Elec isn't the worst thing I could have. The problem is I want to mix up with my Blazeheart and Clockwork in melee, so the range isn't as big a bonus. I'm at the point where I'm Mephitic Clouding a lot, I'm thinking I probably have to Blazeheart Sac and stair dance in Lair. Not sure if I should learn Arcjolt or Flamewave- I'm tempted to go with Arcjolt and see how that goes, though. Maybe swap to this troll armor?

Well, after I recover from being shafted 3 floors on D:9 without seeing a branch. Got chased off the first floor by a centaur warrior.

What do you think, chat? Thug it out, summon a lightning spire and lock in the bee wind? I've got no rF but I don't think TP roulette is necessary right now, is it?

>>543371674
BN has a vibrator and a bullet vibrator.
I don't think you actually get any morale for dildoing your asshole, though I might need to stick a battery in it.

>>543372367
I saw someone pester a server mod to put their link for "lolita fashion" in the BN server yesterday in real time.
And I just kind of assumed
But uh... It literally just adds these two outfits, sprites/recipes

That's more concerning than anything else, honestly.

How do I give my robots some ammo in cdda?

Has anyone made a CDDA mod yet to remove the transgender flag stockings and estrogen?
If not, is there anything else you would like to see removed along these lines?

>>543373968
Just the troon and prideshit which are pretty easy to remove

>>543373968
please do. also:
>tampons
>socks
>flags
>birth control
off the top of my head

>>543373961
I think you have to feed them when you first assemble them (or deactivate and reassemble them with ammo in your inventory, I'm p.sure it gives it all you have on your inventory)

>>543374293
>socks
I guess you mean the stockings, right? I can't find pride socks on nornagen.
>tampons
>birth control
I will make a version with these for you, but for me I think they're fine. They really are items that are common in the world.
>flags
Will do.
Also, I forgot to mention, I will remove the binder as well.

>>543372441
Life is pain, dayo
imagine being so afraid of women

>>543374518
Ok then, can I make the robots to follow me? I don't want to deactivate and carry their ammo wherever I go.

Why do turrets now teleport themselves? It's fucking spooky, some SCP shit. Can only assume this is some kind of bug

>>543376113
I dunno about that, they seem to love running off.
Maybe you can command them the same way you do survivor NPCs?

I like how unbalanced cdda is, it's a very rare attribute in games now. The unfairness and frustration. Cheese vs. Environment. CvE. The world is unfair, how can you cheese it.

That said, ferals break the monster gen progression because they're too strong on d1. Ferals should be the evolution of terrified humans. So on D1 it should be havoc and terrified people, but gradually they should be replaced by ferals, and this would make urban areas far, far more dangerous late game but actually more viable as starting locations.

>>543377616
Say it in the Discord, coward. (everyone already agrees with you)(I've never had much trouble with ferals but you raise a good point and I agree too)

>>543376113
Since the wiki died nobody knows anything anymore.

>>543377727
I think in terms of value, the game has enough content, too much content, but players aren't getting value out of a lot of it.

For example there are now too many locations with food stockpiles for players to have any real reason to loot houses. You go into a house on day one to get a hammer, never go back into a house. Thousands of houses, no reason to go into them.

So meta, the existence of stockpiles on one map tile strips a thousand houses of value.

Ferals, great design. But D1 ambient spawn? They make too many basis locations not worth contesting. Players will sprint out of town straight away, it's not worth looting houses on day one if you're just going to lose half your health to thrown rocks so ferals see many abandoned buildings lose value.

You've got this huge disparity in the meta progression because of the time certain things take. A lab raid is very hard, but it's also a 30 minute operation. So players can sprint straight through a lab on day one and get an end game weapon. I've found the gravity lab to be walk in-walk out.

So what i think we're seeing over and over is players starting with only combat stats, rushing a trader (hot take, remove traders, npc trade only), rnging an easily exploited location at lunch time on day one, at which point they can legitimately fight through end game locations on day two, all of them.

>>543375021
thanks, anon.
the women's cycle stuff is weird. i don't get why they're adding these things, like moisturizer, anti-aging cream, birth control, sunscreen... and recently i've noticed girls backpacks with flowers and so on.
what bloat.

Merchants should all have a needs hierarchy and have a corresponding budget. Far smarter then trying to jig with the value of millions of items.
Merchants won't buy high value, high needs items like gold unless they have food, water, a weapon in their inventory. Mostly to stop players dumping 35 fire extinguishers on traders 20 minutes into the game.

Factions should have a goods/ capitol disparity, so quartermaster should have 90% of the refugee camps money, because what that faction really needs is food, and smokes should have 90% of the goods. So general merchants would tend to be sellers, not somewhere to dump 35 large fire extinguishers.

Tools should have a binary value within that needs structure. As level 4. So a merchant might need one hammer, but wouldn't buy 35 hammers because they already "had" hammering 3. Notably, this would make merchants generally unwilling to sell tools and weapons.

More locations should be soft locked with environmental factors. Flooding, electrical hazards, gas hazards, hostile temperature, radiation,robo security. Not million degrees Indiana Jones traps, but more persistent. To discourage RNJesus day one looting. The monsters are getting too strong and the actual survival elements have become trivial.

>>543383524
I actually really like the addition of these items because it's totally realistic and in an apolocolypse men who don't recognise a tampon to be a sterile dressing won't make it.

Conversely, I particularly despise the identity branding. Any, all. I don't want to know whether the shirt I've picked up is a coke shirt or a Pepsi shirt, I don't want to know what colour the tights on a corpse are, I don't want to know what a book is about, that's called branding. I hate branding. It causes problems in the dev community because if one person starts doing it, everyone starts doing it. Jane doeing their own person identity into the game.

>>543379251
It's genuinely not my playstyle, but of course that just means my stomach starts churning when I see contributors discussing with players "Oh it's too easy to do X, I just Y" and they hone in on some solution that /sort of/ addresses the perceived issue... But also, absolutely obliterates the way I like to play.

>>543384734
That one caught me off guard- A bunch of recreational books all generic genres, comic books by the boxfull (thanks cosplay anon, 47 comics in one spot)(kill yourself for being an excuse to put a fursuit in a themed bedroom)
But then you get like "classical literature" and the book description starts glazing one specific obscure author or something- And I remember that there are bras and boy shorts and cowboy hats 90% of the zombies.

I think about it though
Why do I think "ok, cowboy hat, of course- I'm not gonna wear one, but it makes sense" and "Oh, red leather jacket, three kinds of duster, that's alright, hehe just like donte ebin"
But then I see crossdressing fursuit zombies or sundresses or vibrators and go "degenerate crossdressing faggots!"

What makes me go "Ah, a gimp mask, makes sense in an apocalypse" but by the same turn I think vibrators and lingerie should exist just to fuel a new "Fucking Pervert" morale conduct trait

>>543368854
If it makes you feel better, you can abandon SIf at any point and her wrath is only dangerous if you do it at Zot or something, and even then you can just drink a curing pot to dispel the confusion and keep on going.

>>543383524
I'm actually a fairly new player, and from my perspective there are a huge quantity of meaningless flavour items to sort through already.
Cutlery has been a big one. I'm talking about tableware rather than knives and such.
Maybe there could be some kind of mechanic where it appears as the flavour items on the ground, but resolves to an abstract item like scrap metal on being picked up? I'm not sure if that would be good. It's not a huge deal, but it is also silly that you have to bang a fork with a rock for it to be usable as "scrap metal".

>>543384734
I didn't know that. Now that I know tampons can be repurposed into bandages, I don't mind them. Really I just thought it was some sort of forced representation placement.
So I wouldn't mind tampons at all... if they didn't bloat the entire inventory screen by each being in an individual wrapper.

>identity branding
would you want something like, book (24) instead of Captain Gosnold and the Sea Rovers of Buzzards Bay (24)?
>>543386902
one thing I do with clothes is, if you use AIM you can just move everything to your tile (5), and then cut it by butchering. you get a lot of patches that way and don't have to sift through the 99 variants of pants. dunno if it works for cutlery, but it should.

i'll add the things i want to important (press + in list all items), check quickly with V if they're there, if not just cut everything and grab the patches. filthy patches are much faster to wash too.

>>543377898
I mean there's the docs, which has a pretty shit search feature

>>543384734
>I actually really like the addition of these items because it's totally realistic and in an apolocolypse men who don't recognise a tampon to be a sterile dressing won't make it.
In the PR, contributors actually state that tampons are not a viable bandage in real life. They can't be used as bandages in game and I think the reasoning for this is sound. They are a source of clean cotton balls, and I think that is good.
>branding
Yes, those are fair reasons you have. As well, it's naive to think that every addition like this isn't a little political victory for those who add them, and they know you know. It's all just pretense of "well, uh, actually, they would exist in real life so what's the problem? It's realism" when yes, they would, but so do all the flags they don't want included in the game too. I'm sure it wouldn't take you very long to imagine a list of flags they would vehemently oppose and immediately turn on their own prior reasoning to do so.

>>543359880
That's a reference to an SNL skit from its golden age
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q8BAR-l9fOw
>>543372992
>lolita fashion
Is a Japanese fashion culture

Are they using effect on condition for MP3s in DDA? is that why I can't make my custom phone to play music at all?

>>543386902
I like the flavor items, but only because they make the game seem better than it is. It's nice to imagine being able to use tools or items like you could IRL, but that's not the case unfortunately.

PoCK and I just found a Manual of stealth in Xom's bazaar(since when did this exist, I've never even heard of it before). Should I pick it up to get +9 stealth aptitude? Does really high stealth serve any purpose? I've got about 8 right now.
There's also a +7 cutlass(chaos/speed/disarm), my current weapon is just a +1 shortsword(chaos) that I could buy, but I an only afford one.

>>543384734
Here is my first mod, "Free Bleeding".
Put it in /usr/share/cataclysm-dda/mods/free_bleeding or wherever your game files are and you shouldn't see tampons, menstrual pads, or menstrual cups again.
I only tested this very briefly by checking two house bathrooms. If you see some of the excluded items in world or see something I've done wrong in the json, let me know.
https://files.catbox.moe/edzjiw.json
Anyone reading this, feel free to put this on your Github or wherever else.

>six hours in
>finally get a car up and working
feels like quite the accomplishment.

Night raids in DDA are pretty good now. Because of this >>543215767 >>543259112
They changed it so that the morning and night are quite a bit brighter... unless there's mist (or fog). Mist visibility is really bad, and if you're outside while there's mist, the shadows come for you. They can be chased away by turning on light for long enough. But during a night raid, that is death. So you're on a timer. And if things begin to look bad, you need to get into a basement and maybe wait for the next day. And there are hordes roaming about.

I had a situation where I raided a library, but on my way back the mist fell. I dashed into the nearest basement. But by the time the mist passed, it was bright outside and there was a hoard right on top of me. I nearly died of dehydration waiting for dusk.

>>543337004
tear gas, completely shuts them down and makes them harmless

What do you guys think of Approaching Infinity?
It's not super deep, but I didn't realize how much I've wanted a star trek roguelike until plaything this. It's very comfy.

I made this next mod based on a list actually put together by Kevin a few years ago.
https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/item-blacklist-mod-come-vote-for-the-items-you-want-in-it/6393
His opinions on controversial items have changed over the years, but at the time he was actually the only person who wanted this, and everyone else on the team voted against it.
It takes the mod he created here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151019102610/https://github.com/kevingranade/Cataclysm-DDA/blob/controversial-items/data/mods/community_item_blacklist/modinfo.json
And removes these entries from the list (because they don't exist in the game files anymore):
ring
necklace
locket
brooch
bio_blaster
granade
granade_act
diamond_knife
diamond_machete
diamond_katana
cs_latajang_off
cs_latajang_on

Testing: 0. I don't care if this one works.
Put in /usr/share/cataclysm-dda/mods/kevin_kills_furries

https://files.catbox.moe/bgnj3y.json

>>543404391
what does the mod do

>>543404840
Removes a bunch of items that at the time were voted out. Includes the fursuit. Does not include the transgender stuff. I'm still working on that because it uses the variants system which can't be directly blacklisted.
You can read about it at the discourse link I posted.

>>543374143
>>543374293
Here is the idpol removal mod

0.H: https://files.catbox.moe/8ql2t2.json
experimental: https://files.catbox.moe/ghe3gy.json

0.H version removes:
Pride flags
Binders
Pride stockings (by setting variant weight to 0)

experimental version additionally removes:
Estrogen
Pride pins

Testing:
0.H boots. Didn't find any stockings with my minimal looking around at corpses so help me out and go and look for yourself and report back.
experimental I have no convenient way of testing, sorry. It may well crash on boot though I tried my best to make it so it will work.

Put the json for your version in /usr/share/cataclysm-dda/mods/idpol_removal

>>543408053
Also, behold this crying about flag removal I found while looking into this.
*boohoo*

>Security system "++"
nothing a few hits with a rock can't fix

Any Cata bros can you please help explain if I'm doing something wrong?
A lot of the time I go to salvage/disassemble stuff and the game says "Too heavy to pick up"

But... There's hardly anything I can't pick up? And if I do- Sure, I have to wield it, I might be immediately knocked prone if I try to move -but if I do just (W)ield it, suddenly I CAN disassemble or salvage it?

Is there some setting or something I'm missing? Or do I just have to individually wield each part I want to disassemble?

>>543409837
try standing next to a table or crafting spot when disassembling. stand on top of the things you want to disassenble and B butcher.
also. turn on dangerous weight in options.
one of those should help.

>>543409837
Oh fuck, I just thought of it and tried it after posting
The (B)utchery menu lets you disassemble/salvage items you're standing on and it gets around the restriction from using the disassemble/salvage hotkeys (where it says "too heavy to pick up")
Hell yeah!

>>543386902
There's a handful of actions that, if you think about it, are a workaround for this exact thing.
You're not "salvaging" a pair of gloves or a t-shirt into some uniform "rag" in 0 seconds- That's just your survivor mentally (and bizarrely irrevocably) designating that scrap of cloth as a rag so that you can use it to craft a bandage or whatever. Same with simple furniture crafts- Your character is just mentally reminding themselves that a "BED" isn't some mystical assembled item, they can pull that mattress off if they want.

>>543387752
Annnd I just read this, too. Lmao. Butchering items (does this get a 7x multiplier too?)