Thread 2112529

And RTS... is saved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcm-QXStPA

>>2112529 (OP)
Goofy cartoon slop, looks like some crap blizzard would make. I'll pass thanks.

LET'S GET THE PLAYERS BACK
THE MOMENT IS UPON US. BRING YOUR FRIENDS, AND THEIR FRIENDS, GET THAT PLAYER COUNT BACK UP TO 1000. TAKE SCREENSHOTS, STREAM TWITCH ALL DAY AND NIGHT. LEAVE THE GAME RUNNING.
THE NEXT GENERATION OF RTS IS HERE, AND ITS UP TO US TO SAVE IT GUYS!!
THE GAME IS FREE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE? YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS LAUNCH AND PIXEL FOG OF WAR!!

MY LIFE FOR AMARA!

>>2112529 (OP)
buy an ad

>>2112529 (OP)
how long until service and studio shutdown? Do you think they'll wait a week to see what happens, or is Tim currently moving boxes out of the office already?

>>2112731
i give it a couple of months, until the end of the year max unless they manage to get more suckers to invest

i haven't followed a game in development in probably a decade, but did the meaning of the term roadmap change or was it never what i thought it was? to me a road "map" was something that set out a specific timeframe for specific things to happen, the "map" part implying specificity.
when i look at this shit, all i see is, first column already done, second column started work on but no timeframe for completion, third column, haven't started work on but would ideally like to do at some point. and seeing a second campaign in that third column makes me think that the current campaign won't tell a complete story, it'll end in a cliffhanger which is unlikely to get resolved judging by the way the game is going, so why even bother? before i saw that i might have been fooled into thinking they were doing a red alert thing where each faction campaign just resolves the conflict from the faction's perspective, instead of selling me a third of a campaign every couple of years.
but let's be real, this game doesn't have two more years of life and that second campaign will never start development, let alone get released.

>>2112529 (OP)
they had their chance and they blew it by having their heads so far up their own asses
>A game’s only late until it ships, but it sucks forever

So, in the end what did they mean when they called it
>next-gen
>the first social rts
?

Why does Stormgate have 3 threads now? It deserves 0

I feel bad for this project. What is the point of trying to ape SC2 when it's 15 years old at this point?

>>2112529 (OP)
yaaaaaay yet another e-sports centric generic RTS with no soul, no interesting characters and no plot!!! I can't wait to spend $$$$ on skins!!!!

>>2112529 (OP)
Who is the target audience for the blizzcore artstyle in 2025? Blind people?

Let's get to it stormgamers

>>2112529 (OP)
>steam db
>August 5 2025
>stormgate 950
>fallout 4 16k
>HoI 4 40k
>Bannerlord 16k
>counterstrike 8k
>counterstrike source 36k
>company of heroes 3 3k
>" " 2 3k
>dota 2 490k

I played it last night and put it down. It felt like dlc for Starcraft. I've played better custom maps like Undead Assault 2. There are maybe 6 streamers on twitch playing right now, the largest had 700 viewers.

It seems like the devs wanted to literally cash in on being Blizzard employees and found enough backers to rip off. Are there really enough whales willing to stop buying WoW mounts and Diablo items to buy another game?

>>2113035
they meant "buy our slop stock" and "*tim rubbing hands noises*" and "*tim cackles as nobody remembers he was in charge of generals 2 and it was such atrocious shit it got canned by EA of all publishers*"

>>2113048
Out of touch ex-blizz suits thinking they can capture the same market over a decade ago, without any of the talent, passion or understanding how the market worked

btfo

>>2112529 (OP)
Why does this look worse than Warcraft 3 on release day?
Am I going crazy or did we really peak in 2018 graphics, gameplay and from a technical standpoint? It feels like even "big" games with years of development look and play absolutely shit now.
Is making good video games lost archeotech?

>>2112974
This road map is a mix of wishful thinking and an excuse to preempt complaints in reviews. So the devs can point to the "road map" and say "see, we're totally doing it in the future".
And considering there's shit like "improve sounds" in the "to do" column, this means the game is STILL in early access.

>>2113271
>did we really peak in 2018 graphics, gameplay and from a technical standpoint?
that was when the talented people and business interests intersected
now the only talented people are making low budget indies and the business interest is gay aids slop

>>2113274
>improve sounds
holy moly i did one mission then got blasted by the noise of the xp bar (or whatever it is) going up, its the """"full release""" how can they not do the most basic fucking volume normalization

>>2113059
I wish they had skins. They have fucking nothing.

>>2113297
small indie studio with 20 million in funding, please understand.

>>2113393
>20 million
40

>>2113265
the shills are absolutely fuming at this, I'm surprised the post is still up

are they doing the employee reviews bit again? these sound unnatural as hell and one guy has a faggy corporate frost giant avatar.

>>2112974
>Celestial faction economy changes in done
>Celestial faction updates in to-do
The third team is being finished on the fly?

>>2113265
>>2113477
some of the responses this guy got were depressing. just human cattle desperately begging for and defending the farmer in the hope they keep getting gruel
it's actually even worse than that because cows are forced to eat gruel to survive, but as a person you aren't. cows get fed gruel because it's cheap. stormgate is expensive, low quality, has no future, as a form of entertainment, it has infinite alternatives that are free and better in every way, as a game it has at least a dozen cheaper, more complete, and more fun alternatives.
and you have the freedom to choose anything else besides stormgate, but you don't, you choose the gruel and lash out at others who don't.

why the fuck did evolution churn out people like that

>>2113649
>cattle desperately begging for and defending the farmer in the hope they keep getting gruel
It's just buyer's remorse combined with fags hoping for the "engoodening" arc and being the OG believers or something

is this the Concord of the RTS genre?

>>2113683
>in active development
>aims to build
>on the way
>join our development journey
why is this allowed after they're out of early access? i'm a piratefag, but i thought steam required games to be actually complete if they were going to remove the early access tag

>>2113265
Kinda crazy that almost 45 million dollars and several years of dev time somehow wasn't enough to make a complete RTS title, not even a good game just something serviceable.

>>2113705
Those retards were banking on an esports scene taking off before the game itself did

>>2113683
why are they advertising co-op mode that doesn't even work?

>>2112529 (OP)
Did they actually add T3 units to Celestial and Infernal finally?

>>2113603
>Should we pretend to like our steaming pile of garbage in the reviews and tell everyone to try it at least?
>No, tell them it's the future of RTS and better than Starcraft 2! People won't notice it's a dev lying through his teeth, trust me.
They do the same on Reddit and even here.

>>2113649
part of it is sunk costs, frostgiant caused this intentionally by tricking them into investing in the company via startengine
when the game goes byebye so does their "investment"
its why theres some extremely dedicated shills

>>2113477
wtf its gone now lmao

>>2113265
>BattleBit Remastered 82% 460 users
>Stormgate 50% rating 410 users
>Stardew Valley 97% rating 69k users

What did they spend the $40 million on? I feel like smart investors would demand a prototype or demo between $2-5 million before more funds were released into the project.

>>2114070
california office with a climbing wall, exorbitant silicon valley salaries
the game never had a chance of being financially viable

>>2113265
this post has been removed and the op has been banned

>>2114070
It's just a bunch of devs pocketing their salaries from dumb investors and riding the sinking ship until its time to get off. The worst financial decision was to make it free to play. so everything has be monetized and I don't think people are buying the microtranscations judging by the player numbers, kek.

>>2114082
lmao

>>2114082
you're missing crucial context

>>2114082
What a shitshow. Is this what the RTS genre deserves?

>>2114082
>>2114107
>>2114113
thankfully /vst/ remembers and will never let them forget. This post screenshot is vital to the industry's and genre's survival

>>2114113
with faggots like this running around? Certainly.

>>2113683
>40 fucking million in budget
>shilled like crazy
>DOA
it's gearing up to be
even Tempest Rising, which is like 2/3rds of a game (and that was AFTER years-long delays) is lightyears ahead

>>2114137
They really managed to waste their 40 million hard. Just think about what the ZeroSpace devs, or any other RTS dev, could do if you gave them that kind of a budget.

>>2114137
>Tempest Rising
perhaps I treated you too harshly

>>2114131
>that still try
try to scam as many people worldwide as possible

What i saw upon opening YouTube

>>2112529 (OP)
>>2113265
What a fucking travesty of a project. In a just world all the faggots at SG would be sued for the millions they scammed from the dying RTS community, but they'll just close up the LLC and run away with the money with no liability.

>>2114131
>how DARE you talk shit about a dev that gave you the opportunity to spend 50 bucks on their product?
>You have to eat the slop so that someday some other dev team makes an actually good RTS
Boomers are being held hostage by themselves and tech bros.

>>2113705
>not even a good game just something serviceable
they don't have a minimum viable product because they fell for the marketing meme

https://adityahas.medium.com/the-over-modularization-in-mobile-app-development-6e29de5f64be

https://youtu.be/XehNK7UpZsc?t=258
https://youtu.be/pM_5S55jUzk?t=1419
https://youtu.be/izZcrG4WqGI?t=700

>>2114957
No Mike you dumbfuck. Cloning SC wouldn't have worked when people can just plac SC and get a better experience. This lack of originality is everything that's wrong with the rts genre.

>>2114763
And they all failed. I'd feel bad for the godsworn devs if they hadn't decided to make a fucking rts.

>>2114763
These all look bad unless that was your point

Finally get to see this retarded, half baked garbage flop once and for all.
>Ashes of Earth Campaign
It's both gay and unoriginal all at once. Incredible. These guys have used 45 million dollars to distill the pure essence of a söyjak image into a videogame.
Can't wait to see the shills turn when their cheques bounce.

>>2115199
all people wanted was an exact copy of starcraft where the devs actively balanced it, seeing as sc2 is abandoned
thats what got the game all of the popularity in the first place, because thats what people thought they were getting

>>2115351
>all people wanted was an exact copy of starcraft
all mouthbreathing retards wanted was an exact copy of starcraft* ftfy

>>2115361
those mouthbreathing retards are the ones who funded the kickstarter

>>2113115
What kind of subhumans play dota

>>2114957
I never really understood how this was supposed to succeed at all. It's just SC2 but worse, come the fuck on.

>>2115502
russoids, SEAniggers and latinx

>>2113649
>why the fuck did evolution churn out people like that
domestication process anon, you either got wild tribals raiding all day and shanking people on moment notice or tax cattle

>>2115351
>an exact copy of sc

not really, considering people complain about both sc1 and 2 constantly.
the original selling point was to build on sc2 to make a game which wasn't as unbalanceable or face-shredding stressful to play, which sounded good.
of course they haven't made a game which remotely met the second design goal even if you can still kind of see how the 3 sg races are jumbled-together amalgams of the 3 sc races. the first design goal is just what playing a real rts feels like and that's shown itself in how being slower and comfier just makes sg more boring.

>>2115627
*swap "second" and "first"

>>2115627
nobody complains about sc1 you retarded zoomer

>>2115376
yes, that's right

>>2115632
don't be this disingenuous, you know very well pathfinding alone makes people walk away from the game

>>2115639
umm sweaty, wonky pathfinding and 12 unit max control groups are FEATUREs that make SC1 good, ok????

>>2115632
the only people who still play sc1 are blinded by nostalgia. but its fair to say that sc2 took 7 years and lotv 2 to finally surpass it.

But the campaign bundle, chud.

>>2115627
>the original selling point was to build on sc2 to make a game which wasn't as unbalanceable or face-shredding stressful to play, which sounded good.
neither of those things are true of sc2
making the game "less stressful to play" is one of those things that sounds good to casuals who pretend thats the reason why they dont play rts, but even if its added they still wont play rts

>>2115627
SG isn't fun because it has no flash or edge. The lore and world of sg is ass which leads to ass visuals. Mechanically I actually think SG is a good rts that could have been the next big thing but everything looks so fucking stupid and isn't fun to watch. The real selling point of RTS is watching your armies fight each other, if that part isn't interesting then your game is gonna fail.

>>2115642
i believe this to be the case, but it doesn't invalidate the fact that a lot of people complain about sc1 for that reason too

>>2115642
Cosmonarchy is a BW mod with unlimited unit selection, it's pretty hype.
https://youtu.be/PrhRKd8K7Ow

>>2115502
Zoomer freetards born after the release of WC3?

>>2116190
I hated dota in wc3, too. Always cluttering up my custom game browser.

>>2116173
>soiface neckbeard

>>2116173
stop shilling your shitty mod. You're becoming as obnoxious as mental omega fags. Make your own thread and stay in it

>>2116247
>tfw mental omega has more online players than stormgate has total players

predict how long until EOS
i think we'll see an announcement by next weekend

>>2116311
This game is clearly a money laundering scheme so it might stick for a while.

I actually enjoy Stormgate. Am disappoint it has no players. Hopefully it limps forward long enough to finish the campaigns for the other 2 factions, but fuck man 4,456 peak players is weak. Aoe2:DE has a peak of 38,725

>>2116347
i think the game itself isnt terrible, if it was made by a couple of indie developers then yeah it'd be an acceptable entry into RTS
the problem is that its made by retards who think they are still working at blizzard and have infinite time and money to do whatever they want, with an army of blizzdrones who would slurp up whatever they shart out. the quality is so far below standard for what they have spent ($40mil) and theres no way the game could ever support their $1mil per month spending
not to mention all the dishonesty and lies from the retards making it turning many players against them

>>2116365
>$40mil
It's enough for multiple decent RTS.

>>2116347
>Hopefully it limps forward long enough to finish the campaigns for the other 2 factions
never happening

>>2116391
or two years upscale office rent in california

decisions, decisions...

>>2113265
>Dune 2
>the first RTS
Nigga please

>>2115201
Godsworn is still in Early Access you goober.
>>2115203
Cope.

Just played a couple of matches. Actually interesting, dynamic maps? Objectives beyond simply destroying opponent's base? Likeable designs, original setting? ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL from sc2? Stormgate doesn't fucking do any of this, they just took the 25+ year old blizzard rts formula and managed to make every aspect worse than in a 15 year old game. Current stormgate gameplay can be replicated in a day in sc map editor. Why the fuck do tier 1 human units have lances? What kind of high-tech weapon is this? Ah yes, it's because otherwise it would resemble sc2 way too much, great job bringing originality to the game. Otherwise feels like sc with perturbed numbers. Do you guys like it?

>>2116951
>Human Vanguard
>Infernal Host
>Celestial Armada
I can't find the word that I'm looking for to describe this phenomenon but it's something you get a lot in modern media. The faction names feel verbose, flamboyant, and "too much" while also being completely plain and boring. Men, Demons, and Aliens would be more descriptive and less annoying.
I can't imagine a studio where people are working together on a world of their own creation, where someone says completely serious and unashamed "The Infernal Host are so cool" "The Celestial Armada are very unique".
I can't imagine saying these names out loud when describing the game without feeling embarrassed by how lame, retarded, reddit-like and BORING it sounds all at once. It reads like something ChatGPT spits out having combined every stupid idea and lame fan fiction ever published on the web.
I look at Stormgate and I feel second hand embarrassment, this was somebody's dream. This is why, in your dreams, all of your teeth fall out in public, it's to keep you grounded with a healthy level of introspection.
I will be buying this to leave a negative review.

>>2116991
It's free on steam though. Unless you want to play campaign for some reason.

Unreal Engine 5 very good graphics sir

>>2116991
>The faction names feel verbose, flamboyant, and "too much" while also being completely plain and boring
named by chatgpt

>>2116991
>>2117030
holy lmao cant make this shit up

>>2117031
Exactly what I mean, I am surprised they did not use the word "Ascendancy" in the alien faction name.
This is some kind of modern media trope that is not yet named, you can't just call the demon faction "demons", they have to be the Infernal Host. Everything is the Adjective Noun, using more words makes Redditors vibrate.
What are they going to name the female leads for the Human Vanguard? Alice, Freya? Why is everything so samey and plain while being so gay and retarded?

>>2117038
>you can't just call the demon faction "demons"
religious connotation maybe
its hilarious that literally first pick for all 3 races by chatgpt matches what they actually used, what a joke

>>2117031
kek please someone post this on the reddit

>>2117031
>>2117046
thought maybe it was saying it because it had some details in the training data but nope
they are just some chatgpt ass names lmao

>>2116311
this might actually happen, seems like devs have gone radio silence now after the disastrous launch, theyve given up on trying to stop people shitting on them in steam forums too

>win 70% of my games against Vanguard
>lose 70% of my games against Infernals
fuck inferniggers, always expanding immediately yet still having a bigger army

>>2117904
Tim Morten will try to find more shekels

>>2113717
Does this garbage heap even have a map editor and player hosted games? Because that's the most important part of an rts "esports" scene, you need power to the players.
Fuck matchmaking.

>>2117988
>everything was smooth and perfect, believe me
>oh, by the way, game flopped
>we need to go forward™
>and all this is obviously fault of these pesky ungrateful detractors
>choose your favourite buzzword: preserve, adapt, challenging
There's a reason why these corporate gibberish statements are one of the easiest things to mimic using simple AI. It's because they are structurised, repetitive, nebulous pile of trite phrases which you can randomly mix and combine since there's no meaning or substance to be lost in that process

I guess IMMORTAL: Gates of Pyre won then

>>2117988
EOS aug 25th

Well, time to play more AoE2
*Sip*

>>2116347
>Aoe2:DE has a peak of 38,725
AoE2 is the biggest RTS behind SC2, and has an immense old guard
Stormgate would have to be the literal second coming of RTS to surpass it

shart gape

>>2118711
forevergaters, our response???

Call this one Stormdrain because it's in the gutter

MY EMPIRE OF DIRT

they had 40 million dollars

It cost 40 million dollars to play this game for ten seconds

>>2119120
>let's make starcraft 2 but lame and looking like a cheap shitty mobile game
How did this crap get so much hype back in the day, I just cannot understand. Was it all thanks to the initial bullshitting about co-op focus?

>>2119277
well before they released the early access one and everyone saw what a pile of shit the game was, all most people had to go off were the ridiculous promises and claims from FG
the "spiritual successor to sc2" brought to you by the "team behind sc2 wings of liberty", an ex-blizzard dream team who are fully funded to deliver a complete game and will add every single feature you can imagine
1v1? 2v2? 3v3? co-op? blizzard quality campaign? map editor? some retarded moba thing? we've got it all, coming SOON
that and discussion forums being carefully curated prior to that release to silence any possible criticism
its why when EA happened the whole thing was such a shock and turned everyone against those scammers

>>2119281
>when EA happened the whole thing was such a shock and turned everyone against those scammers
The early access launch was especially funny because they had an underwhelming closed beta a few months before EA launch and people still don't understand that a game doesn't drastically change in a few months of developement.
It was obvious what was about to happen but Reddit & Co ignored the writing on the wall

>>2119281
>>2119298
yah but if what they had now was what they released the first open early access, the game might have ended up being a modest success
but then again if they hadn't gotten completely obliterated on the early access last year they might not have gotten an impetus to improve at all

>>2119303
i dont think so, even without all the ridiculous lies and scamming, they were still spending 1 million dollars per month to make this shit, the game just isnt financially viable
it might have had some popularity but then it would just die anyway, there was never any way for it to work

>>2119277
>How did this crap get so much hype back in the day, I just cannot understand.
the redditor is a subhuman being.

>>2119303
>but then again if they hadn't gotten completely obliterated on the early access last year they might not have gotten an impetus to improve at all
this, they only slightly changed the artstyle because the market verified their arrogance and incompetence when they tried to pull a goyslop the first time

>>2119303
we just have to look at how embarrassingly amateurish their initial campaign was. And even now, after they scrapped everything, the story of new campaign is still terrible. I just don't think they have the talent to create an interesting narrative or world.
Sure, the game wouldn't have bombed as hard as it did, but Stormgate was never meant to last.

>>2119330
i don't remember this episode of celebrity deathmatch

>>2119330
Looks like toy story, lol.

Dves also used sock puppet Reddit accounts and some fake reviews to boost their game. Lol

>>2119330
How can people see shit this retarded and get excited?

>>2119277
>Was it all thanks to the initial bullshitting about co-op focus?
Almost exclusively, yes

People just really wanted more SC2 coop

>>2119790
>devs realize chasing the e-sports dragon is futile, better talk about co-op because that's what masses loved
>it works, game gets loads of hype
>suddenly change course back onto e-sports, blow tons of money bribing streamers
>co-op is now an afterthought as with most games
>game flops hilariously hard
What causes such insanity? I hope we get some juicy post-mortem "what went wrong" interviews once FG dissolves, my money is on investors meddling in and demanding that they make a starcraft e-sports killer.
Wouldn't be surprised if the atrocious art style was also investors demanding that they tap onto the mobile gaming generation.

>>2120009
didnt they pay asmongold to play this shit as well lmao

>>2120009
>devs realize chasing the e-sports dragon is futile
>after having spent 39 million already
too little too late

>>2120009
>Wouldn't be surprised if the atrocious art style was also investors demanding that they tap onto the mobile gaming generation.
bruh they made the game look and play like rotten dogshit way before the first IPO

>>2120009
Imagine being an investor and expecting returns on this flop

>>2120009
i think this is all just morten and his big ego running the game into the ground

>>2117028
>those disgusting Unreal RTS unit models and textures
This could have been a good game had they made their own engine.

>>2120120
>the engine is the problem

This is the Concord of RTS

>>2120120
you do realize unreal engine 5 has absolutely nothing to do with the artstyle they've chosen for their units and environment... right?

>>2119207
You know what's truly sad?

That other RTS studios are having such a hard time getting funding *exactly* because of how hard of a flop Stormgate is...

Thank you Frostgiant, very cool

>>2120009
The reality is that no matter what they did they weren't going to make back 40 million dollars. They're a brand new indie studio making their first game. They spent way too much money on some moonshot instead of just making a fun little niche game to start off with. They wanted to be blizzard but skipped straight to SC2 instead of starting with Warcraft: Orcs & Humans.

>>2120177
but anon, (((((Tim Morten))))) would never be able to grift this many investors, chinks included, if he didn't aim for the moon in the first place. You think a warcraft orcs & humans tier studio could get money to rent an office next to EA in orange county???

>>2120184
Yeah that's what I figured happened. AAA brainrot where making anything but the biggest most expensive game ever isn't worth bothering with. The mindset where releasing a small, complete game for a modest profit is "not meeting expectations" but flushing tens of millions down the toilet is a "growth opportunity"

>>2120176
First HW3 and now this shartgate, RTS is officially a dead genre for big business. Which might not be a bad thing, if that's the kind of games they would like to sell us.

>>2120173
nta the blurry low contrast pbr look seems to be endemic to ue5, so many games using it look like that

>>2120186
you cant honestly look at the game and tell me that they really tried to deliver on any of that shit, it was just bullshit so they could scam people into giving their money away
this shit looks like a hobby project some random shitters would put together, theres no fucking way this is what you get from a full team of developers at 1 million / month over like 5 years

>>2120177
Yeah, I thought Iron Harvest was a disappointment to learn from, but for a debut project it didn't do so bad. Online play was unsalvageable but singleplayer was liked enough.

>>2120299
Online play WAS salvageable but the devs are just retarded.

>>2120176
RTS has cemented itself as a niche genre for autists who just want to play starcraft and AoE2 until they drop

>>2120345
Sounds like it wasn't salvageable, then. It takes a genius to make multiplayer compfag-proof.

>>2120358
It really doesn't and that's not even what was wrong with it. It's part of the reason why the game never took off because of just insane design choices they could have easily fixed and never did for no reason.

>>2120224
it is the devs' deliberate choice to use TAA instead of FXAA
it is the devs' deliberate choice to set their color palette to low contrast

Even as a compfag I think they should stop making rts with multiplayer for like 10-15 years or something.
Nobody can compete with SC2 for comp and nobody can compete with both SC2 and Aoe2 DE for casual multiplayer. In order for a game to even succeed as a multiplayer title you have to get people to like the game itself, then maybe you convert a small portion of those players to playing online and from those online players you get a small portion of competitive/e-sports types. Trying to get that result from the beginning is a waste of time. Any indie or AA who are still willing to make an RTS should just not even have anything except a campaign and skirmish, and maybe co-op. Though I feel if you go for co-op it has to either just skirmish with friends or a full on progression system that can compete with SC2 co-op commanders and nothing in between.

>>2114763
>Graphics don't matter!

>>2120696
They don't, visual design does matter. That's why Runescape classic is hitting new peaks after decades while Unreal engine 5 games are failing left and right.
That image is more about how these projects worth millions can't do any better than some indie game.

>>2120468
>IMMORTAL: Gates of Pyre

This could be the same as a WC 1. The first in a series just has to keep a fanbase with good memorable gameplay. If they add customized factions like Master of Orion it could be like Warlords Battlecry 3. I don't know if they allowing modding but the faction vibe like Warlord's Battecry 3.

There are over 40 million instances of Steam open at any one time. This video got over 2 million views and the market is hungry for good games. It's the game devs doing this. They want to bill the investor not make good games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HntHPALqrw

>>2121418
That game is doing the same model as Stormgate where mp/skirmish is free and campaign is paid, which is fine I guess for most games but RTS players see that and just think it's a multiplayer game.
Also the lore might have the problem of old Warhammer where the factions are detailed but stagnant as nothing significant actually happens to shake up the setting.

>>2121488
I wasn't aware of the details and was just going off their steam page vid.

Their steam punk faction looks cringe. I wouldn't even torrent it.

>A guy who wants to get married just focuses on getting another date.
>A writer who wants to be good focuses on getting the reader to turn to the next page.

It's messed up game devs are favoring selling usually free content thinking that the free stuff will keep a player base around. It's sad that they cannot realize that the 15 to 25 year old games they are emulating from are boring and they cannot do something new.

SG has future
Just a few points about SG progress.

I've been around SC2 since WoL beta and I noticed a few things people are unfair with:

Macro aspect: SG immidiatelly started as a macro type rts. We can all remember WOL 4gate, 6 pool rushes and short maps where you can't expand properly. Zerg were, as a race, completely unplayable, we had GomTvT GSL's, prominent zergs threatened to switch races or quit (Dimaga for example). HotS wasn't much better, 2 base allins and timings like PartinG's 7gate robo sentry immortal allins were unbeatable or swarm host vs swarm host sleepfests.

Support:

Community kept playing and watching boring 4gate vs unsaturated 2 base zerg or similar for years. No one particulary complained because Blizzard was patching more or less regulary.

3. Community:

Was together and optimisic and withheld to have LotV released as a modern day macro oriented rts, followed streams, had cups and all.

Are we all just ruthless towards FGS or what? Is game buggy? Yes Have they released EA too early? Yes Campaign was unpolished? Yes Lack of AT or multiplayer mods? Yes Races aren't finished? Yes Playing three maps suck? Yes

BUT if they had time Blizzard had (WoL beta to LotV), 3 years, we might have SC2 replacement as a Esport and a good 2v2, 3v3 modes and a solid campaign.

We just need to stop thrashing them for start despite being angry (justified)

Cheers

man nevergaters are out in force today

>>2121524
>We just need to stop thrashing them for start despite being angry

Stop telling people what is cool or not cool. Pirate Software did this and deserved his dog pile especially after playing WoW instead of finishing his Kickstarter funded game.

In fact, stop telling them what think. Respect your players and their time.

If you hate your customer it shows in your product.

If you duhumanize your customer you can rip them off or kill them irl. It is easy to justify.

FG took funds and failed to deliver a promised product, hence the scam warnings are relevant.

I think IMMORTAL's steam vid was good enough for a 2nd look. The Arcanum faction looks like nerd chic to me, maybe it's the faction names. But maybe people will look at my crazed rantings and make up their own minds. If they want to dog pile Stormgate, they can because they were told what to think. The players can decide for themselves whats cool and fun. They are smart and informed.

Why is this a thing with ex Blizzard employees?

>>2121530
>Why is this a thing with ex Blizzard employees?
ego

a lot of people shat on stormgates humans vs demons vs aliens/angels setting for being generic. im wondering if its actually a problem with the setting or its really just because they did such a shit job of it?
to me it seems like humans vs demons vs angels could be kino if it was done right stylistically

>>2121539
yeah i wouldn't mind it if it was interesting.
based on what i've seen i actually would have picked up shartgate if it had all three campaigns done. but i'm not interested in playing the teaser campaign. i think celestials don't even properly appear in this right?

>>2121497
>selling usually free content thinking
eh no, campaign is expected to be paywalled because voice acting and cinematics are expensive. Also if you make that free, they will just play it and then uninstall. Makes absolutely no sense to give that part away for free.
With free mp you can at least sell skins or whatever, and lowering the barrier to entry is important when the main content is other players.

>>2121539
It could have been done well but they just dropped the ball.
Why are the humans the generic blue space guys when they lost Earth? Shouldn't they have a more ragtag or survivalist appearance?

>>2114763
I fucking hate WC-styled graphics so much, they are a fucking cancer, they ruined RA3, they ruined EE3, they ruined DoW3, I want to stomp the face of any faggot saying it was because le funny, they are the reason why I did not bother with Tempest Rising (the fact they had the temerity to make one of their factions high tier unit a literall ball makes my blood boil).
I wish Act of Aggression had succeeded, Eugen Systems is about the only company who knows how to deal with graphics.
>But they are real life
Yes, exactly, they base all their stuff IRL, which is what I want, I want to feel like an actual general commanding an army, not some dumbass playing with virtual children toys.

For comparison, a barely changed remaster of Dawn of War just sold 150k copies in its first day and passed 17k concurrent players.

>>2112529 (OP)
The numbers for stormgate are fine. "Tim M" doesn't know what he's talking about. I've run the numbers myself, they are sufficient. 300 players concurrently equates to about 20,000 unique players per day. Even being extremely conservative and saying that only 75% of those players buy $20 from the in game store. That is $300,000 in revenue per day, and about 10M in revenue per month. They have nothing to worry about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/

>>2121584
>RA3
>EE3
>DoW3
>Tempest Rising
>WC-styled graphics

>>2121539
They could have put some thought into it. But no, they made people look like fortnite characters, demons might as well just be random 3d monster models and celestials are literally random shapes. It wasn't designed with top-down view in mind. Homm for example had 7 or 8 fantasy fractions and they seemed different enough design-wise.

>>2121539
It could have been good, or at least look good if the style was more grim like Diablo 1/2, but then compfags who didn't play the game anyway, lmao would complain there is no visibility and investors would say this is not what modern audience plays

>>2121539
entirely an execution problem

>>2119330
See, if this was actually claymation with practical special effects for the rain and lightning, this would not be that bad. But its not stop-motion, its digital 3D animation

>>2117038
What's wrong with Alice and Freya?

>Races play completely different between coop and pvp

why? I thought they changed the races.

So why isn't 2v2 or more part of the game? They really think RTS players only play 1v1?

>>2122030
rts players dont play any of that shit anymore

>>2122030
it isnt 2v2 because they ran out of their 40 million budget

>>2112529 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/

100% anyone calling them scam artists needs mental help. The games good they want to make it better have clearly been doing so since a year ago. They wanted to make the next great rts have they nailed it yet no, but to say they aren’t trying and aren’t doing so in good faith I find pretty disgusting

>>2123109
>how did we scam kickstarter backers by ninja editing???

>>2123111
>100% anyone calling them scam artists needs mental help.

That's why its insulting. Palworld ripped off Pokemon. Did Palword rip off its player base? No. Nintendo will learn that they should have given Pocket Pair the rights to make a Pokemon game. It would have been cheaper and easier to let them make Pokemon. Nintendo can afford the lawsuits, but they ignored players and competitors got their audience while they stared at money on the table their intellectual property collecting dust.

Stormgate didn't even attempt to rip off a DOOM space marine faction with DOOM guy as a commander. They attempted to clone SC 2 and did it so poorly at their players expense. Palworld is still in early access with a 95% review rating on Steam. Reviews are saying they had customers paying twice, instead of making Blizzard sue them and regretting not giving them a license to make WC4 or SC 3. They chose to fake reviews because taking protoss from Activision until they were told to stop was too scary.

We know they lie. We know they scam. Look who they chose to target. Palworld's steam forums don't look anything like Stormgate's right now.

>>2123109
not a scam btw lol

>>2123321
Like >>2123315 said though that's scamming VC/investors, and who gives a fuck about that, they represent billionaires and funds with way more money than they can ever spend in their lives.
Scamming players is a whole other thing entirely, and that's what people usually mean when they call it a "scam", in which case they are in fact delusional because nobody got scammed of anything

>>2123113
except this specific thing which is frankly insignificant. Yeah man, the game wouldn't have failed if only you got the season 1 heroes or whatever it was. nah, nobody cares about that because nobody's playing the damn game.

Seething over muh edit misses the forest for the trees. You're mad that they edited a passage in the project description, but not that they failed at the entire project?

Tim Morten is correct to deny it being a scam, but what if the commenter called him incompetent? Would he have a rebuttal then? Nope, that's demonstrably true.
And it's actually worse. It's not even that he fucked it up on purpose to steal your money, no, he actually tried his best, shilled like crazy, spent $40m, and wasn't even capable of making a FREE TO PLAY game break 5k peak.

>>2123357
startengine wasnt for VC lol it was for regular retards to get scammed, no legitimate investor would ever be dumb enough to put money into that ridiculous scam platform
they lied in their kickstarter too so anyone putting money there also got scammed
anyone dumb enough to give them money after the steam release though is just a moron not scammed

I think we should simply introduce FG employees to Lenon's 38 special, while cyberbullying unironic supporters till they opt for Canadian healthcare

>>2123357
>change the terms of sale after the sale
>frankly insignificant
peak cuckdom

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/

>>2124510
The things you mentioned simply aren't important. " Campaign, creativity, world, vision, player count". This is all just wall covering. The foundation is 99% of the equation. The foundation is solid. It's concrete with rebar and it's fully cured.

Y'all said it was "over" last year. And every month since then. And yet here it still is. At this point, you're starting to sound like all those people saying "Disney Star Wars is over and Kathleen Kennedy is set to be fired at any moment!" for the past eight years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-GRsBAZPE
dont look at the comment section

>>2112529 (OP)
Kinda want to fuck one of those centaur things.

>>2124510
>>2124659
i kind of get what he is saying. he's not wrong, I think stormgate is mechanically a good game. I think it's getting unfairly ignored. But that kind of is a REALLY shitty foundation and gets worse when it doesn't have support.

>Reviews: Mixed
Bros...

>>2125695
The mechanics are the least important thing actually. Total trash games blow up because they're creative and fun and lots of players to spread the word about them. Players will overlook bugs or broken stuff or missing mechanics when the game is fun and soulful, the world is enjoyable, and it has good characters in a nice campaign
>Campaign, creativity, world, vision, player count
These are all the most critical things to the success of a game. Bad pathfinding or UI doesn't actually matter, brood war has both of those and it's the best game in the RTS genre.

its funny how much their retarded greed ended up costing them
they managed to make like 5% of the people who already gave them $60 also give them another $10 and made the other 95% despise them

>>2125695
>I think stormgate is mechanically a good game.
you think wrong.

It's very funny that the main defense of this game is now
>if you don't suck the piss and shit covered cock this game offers you, RTS will die forever
i can't even begin to imagine how pathetic you need to be to resort to this.

lmao

>>2125335
But it is over. These are not the numbers of a successful game. These are not even bare minimum numbers. RTS mods have more players. This ship has sailed and sunk. >>2125995

>>2125995
forevergaterbros, we're just getting started, right?

>>2125979
This is what $0.05 per post buys you at the shill farm.

gamescom is over after this weekend, we'll see the EOS announcement by the end of the week

>>2126002
You don't understand. The ship only sunk because it has a solid concrete foundation. They're only just getting started.

>>2126091
Dare I say we are.... CEMENTED?

>https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/frost-giant-ceo-tim-morten-says-layoffs-are-possible-after-stormgate-underperforms

>post yfw you, a nevergater, singlehandedly killed the rts genre forever by not playing shartgate

>>2121539
Its LITERALLY just Atrox, which is bootleg SC from 20 years ago. Stormgate is modern Atrox

https://youtu.be/u6D9KCzuHqQ

>>2126212
i cant wait bros

Now that the rebar is in place and the concrete poured, can the servers stay live for 28 days until it cures?

>>2126225
its ok timmy put the off switch at the top of the office climbing wall and everyone is too fat off champagne and lobster to make it to the top

>>2125979
it's also pretty funny that the single time the game actually managed to achieve significant improvements is when they were torn a new asshole at early access and they redesigned most of it from ground up. they managed to do a lot in a pretty short time too. that only happened because for once they weren't just taking feedback from their discord sycophants.
who knows, maybe if there was someone around to kick their asses every step of the way, they might have actually released a decent, interesting game worth playing like universe at war, the kind of game that people reminisce about decades later.

>>play our game or nobody will make an rts ever again
i hope they will go bankrupt and it will ruin their lives.
then they should get cancer and slowly die in agody for a long time while their families turn awau from them and they end up miserable, agonized and alone.
motherfuckers put themselves in this possition on purpose knowing rts fans will gobble up every slop gets thrown at them and so they put the bare minimum into making stormgate.

>>2126248
i don't get it, do you support frost giant or not?

>>2126212
he's such a fucking grifter bros.
>I think people hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,' but the truth is, to build games of this scope and this quality requires more money."
not a peep about renting a luxurious office next to EA in orange county california. Not a peep about his butt buddies from blizzard paying themselves 250k/year salaries, instead saying that paying developers was a huge factor in burning through the money. He and the other grifter Tim paid themselves at least a million dollars salary throughout stormgate's development, but not a peep about that. And for what? The "quality"? The other Tim is especially despicable considering he was supposed to be in charge of campaign writing and design, and it's apparent they'd go to the moon and beyond with an up and coming eastern european writer instead. Total shitshow and 100% a scam on the side of Tims.
>He believes that in a world where Frost Giant had been able to raise capital against its vision a different outcome would have been likely
the only difference would be Tim and Tim getting multiple millions of dollars in salary. Absolutely nothing would change. What a fucking jewish scumlord, jesus christ

>>2126284
100%
they had no plan whatsoever for how the game could be financially viable. burning 1mil /month, could sc2 even support that?
they just wanted to endlessly raise funds while they screwed around in an expensive office and paid themselves big salaries

>>2126212
>>2126284
>I think people hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,' but the truth is, to build games of this scope and this quality requires more money."
Clair Obscur had a 30 person strong studio + outsourcers + marketing and did a full JRPG in 6 years with around a $25m budget.
This motherfucker must have been blowing coke off of gold-plated strippers by comparison.

Iron Harvest wasn't impressing anyone but it took Unity and made a workable CoH copy with several unique factions and campaigns at some $6m also over several years.

And let's not even touch on the sort of budgets that Nintendo and non-retarded JP devs operate.
With fucking $40m you can make all sorts of magic happen should you not blow it all in the most expensive place on the fucking planet.

this is the communities fault for not wanting to revive RTS

>>2126417
>t. Tim 1 week from now. He'll also backstab the other Tim

>>2126602
Which one of them is soon to be Tim Post-Morten?

>>2126676
>hopes
well if they manage to hook another retarded investor monkey, i wouldn't mind pirating a finished shartgate with three campaigns. for the first time ever it looks like they have something approaching an actual game on their hands

>>2126708
If they sell their engine like Unreal, where game makers only pay a percentage if the gross is over a milllion dollars, they should do fine. They could have 3 rts games that are really good paying them. SC 2 graphics do look like shit. Reforged was shit. That's the one part of SG that was dead on, the factions look like shit. Let other game makers take the risk of new content and sell an engine that can do 4v4v4 and ffa. If another DOTA got made on their engine they would only take 5 to 10 percent past a million. Whoever made the factions, the story world, and signed off on it was in the fraud. Fire the head of finance, the ceo, and the lead game dev and possibly anyone else making over 6 figures then push the engine to modders and indies. Sell assets and indie games in your own online store ie mounts and gambling through loot boxes.

I don't have a reddit account so I'll post here.

>>2126725
why would anyone want to use their engine though? it seems like all of the "features" theyve made dont even work properly
pathfinding is worse than sc2
rollback doesnt work properly and causes performance issues
their custom hotkey and new unit control features somehow make the game drop inputs so you cant even control your units properly
the only thing they seem to be able to do is to make ridiculous claims to trick people into giving up their money

>>2126725
they don't have their own engine. All they have now is a glorified pathfinding plugin that sucks dick. The game was fully ported to UE5 years ago.
The only thing they can sell is rights to the IP and the project in its entirety, which is worth about tree fiddy.

>>2123357
They scammed players, it's as simple as that.
>They lied about the extent of their involvement with SC2
>they lied that Kickstarter backers would get the full game
>they lied that the Kickstarter money would be enough to finish the game, then they went back on their word and went out for more VC money (while lying about it being for only advertisement expenditures)
>they withheld that the game would be F2P until after the Kickstarter ended, invalidating most people's backer rewards
>they used their steam page as an advertising platform and lied about it
>they attempted to bot their own steam reviews and changed their own account names to hide the fact it was FG staff
>they created sockpuppet reddit accounts to praise FrostGiant and StormGate (on one occasion forgetting to log out of their main before doing so)
>they lied on numerous occasions about how they would make statements explaining all of these actions

>>2126731
>pathfinding is worse than sc2
sc2 has the best pathfinding you'll find in in pretty much any game

>>2126887
its like 15 years old, how hard can it be to make working pathfinding, especially for "ex-blizzard" devs

>>2126889
It's an irrelevant concern anyway. Nobody picks up a game or recommends it to their friends like "OHH BRO YOU GOTTA TRY THIS GAME THE PATHFINDING IS AMAZING"
campaign is what gets people playing (and paying) and stormgate looks like this >>2119330 lol

>>2117988
>>2118005
translated to plain english
>Our sales are bad, we might sink unless someone bails us out

>>2126901
yeah i know im just saying their claim to fame seems to be "the engine" yet their engine is still dogshit, i dont see why anyone would want to license it from them

>>2126091
^ this, so much this. Let them cook.

>>2126708
> i wouldn't mind pirating a finished shartgate with three campaigns
the game is always online. You can't pirate stormgate

>>2126284
>hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,'
You literally can buy every FG employee a Ferrari and still have more than enough money left.

>>2126927
Funny you mention that, because they actually did this experiment multiple times at FG. Turns out eventually you won't have enough money left

>>2126921
lol on top of ALL their other shit decisions they made it always online? kek
actually if we're talking about this game, they might not have even decided to do that, maybe their spaghetti code doesn't even run if the game's not connected to the internet.

>>2126911
at this point they deserve to receive a broadside cannonade and sink, not get bailed out

>>2126963
it's F2P live service, what did you think? Stop Killing Games isn't in effect yet and even if it does pass, it won't be retroactive. Stormgate deserves to be buried and forgotten anyway, nothing of value was lost (except 40 million dollars gone like tears in the rain, that could fund 5 rts games made in eastern europe)

This already looks and feels like a Chinese mobile game. Might have as well added half-naked underage girls for at least some profit.

Haha, there is offline nevergaters.

should have maybe focused on more tangible things instead of spreading yourself thin over stuff that has been disproven like player types

https://youtu.be/XehNK7UpZsc?t=258

campaign can easily be designed as a hardcore experience and playing campaign doesn't stop me from playing 1v1
his graph result makes little sense because eSports in RTS coincides with 1v1 not 2v2+
and arcade is a combination of cooperation and competition

the reason the outcome is like this is because he is biased about campaign and it seems to be the main content of his channel
the only modular thing about RTS is the tech tree and they didn't care about that because they designed bog standard campaign factions
one of the Tim's worked on C&C Generals 2 and should know better

SC2 3v3 was not even worth doing much because they designed midrange campaign factions and people would die in the first 5 minutes against marine or protoss tower spam

>>2127761
also don't forget that it is a free2play game which means the more modes you create the more splintered the playerbase will be
the business model they had in mind is fundamental not compatible with what type of product they wanted to make
it's like you watch an episode of Gordan Ramsay where someone grilled lettuce

https://youtu.be/tPfMqZMhe4A?t=49

the idea doesn't seem to be new either because it failed before
https://youtu.be/JsJdZKisHZc?t=78

https://youtu.be/tPfMqZMhe4A?t=1135
well I wish them luck but they shit too much onto their patrons which might not have contributed to more than 5% of the whole budget but also are probably 95% of the initial playbase

>>2126731
>>2126848
>Fallout cost 5 million to make and was playable on Macintosh, really good feature for 1990's PC game
>Fallout New Vegas was made in 2 years with the Bethesda engine

That's insane then that they think their code is worth $150 million. There are better downloads on Nexxus mods or Steam workshop that are free. Wtf did they spend 40 million on if they don't have an engine?

>>2127773
>also don't forget that it is a free2play game which means the more modes you create the more splintered the playerbase will be
the business model they had in mind is fundamental not compatible with what type of product they wanted to make

War Commander by Kixeye is f2p, p2w. It is still up and running. Since 2011 according to their wiki. 9000 players in 2024. The player base is splintered technically across many servers.

I put 300 hours into Enlisted, a f2p p2w WW 2 shooter. Bot's and AI easily fill the holes, just everyone complains the bots snap shots are hacks. And seal clubbing is a thing, if you don't like then I guess you didn't spend enough money for the win. Losing is part of multiplayer games.

f2p, p2w is not the problem. WoW is forcing a 50 dollar buy every 2 years then selling 90 dollar mounts to Chinese and fanboys. The game time token makes it f2p as even that 50 dollar expansion c

A campaign, of 25 missions which is traditional to the industry, should 40 to 50 USD. If the player likes the art then gameplay and the world they stick around for pvp. No casual is going to stick around wanting to be like the sweaty try hards in ranked competition.

I think it's bullshit Blizzard can sell slop, but if the player base doesn't split, all we would have now is WoW and SC, and both those games want me to fall asleep or I lose IQ playing them. I feel dumber after playing WoW, I really don't like it. Sometimes splits are good, there used to be a friendly competition between C&C and Blizzard. I'll let them cook then.

>>2127778
who would even want a mousepad with ugly niggers and AI generated overwatch mechs?

>>2127789
>Wtf did they spend 40 million on if they don't have an engine?
they started out with their own engine and then decided that's way too hard for their grifter lifestyles. So they switched to UE5 and there was some cope about something something saving costs

>>2127778
The mousepad is 3 years old, pretty sure it looks so fucking generic because that's how their art style looked like, I don't think AI back then was capable of that kind of detail.

>>2128603
Precisely

People are actually being toxic on visual AI work, humans by default dont necessarily create work that's aesthetically above what Midjourney can create today... And it actually it was the same 3 years ago

Image is from 2023, and it is nearly on par with great painters of the 1800s, and certainly heads and shoulders above what a standard modern fine arts university graduate can produce given that in most universities they barely teach them dynamic symmetry and armatures because of PostModernism, so they just splatter paint on the canvas like monkeys expecting to get a Picasso out of it... When Picasso himself mastered armatures when he was a 13 years old

Anyways, my point here is that the art would have been more appealing had they used AI in the first place, it got Palworld far enough....

Either way, I am looking forward to DoW4 and the new RTS-BattleForMiddleEarth-GoT game from PlaySide. Both look quite neat

https://archive.is/kZOrz

The company had already reported in an April filing with the Securities Exchange Commission that “revenue from early access game sales is not sufficient to support the company’s future operating expenses.” The company lost $11.7 million on sales of $1.4 million last year.
“The games business has always been inherently hit-driven, but as existing games continue to draw players, competition from other digital media like TikTok has increased,” Morten said in response to a query from Bloomberg. “Record numbers of new games are being launched, so the challenge is harder than ever.”

Oh my.

>>2112529 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/

>>2127778
>Stormcuck shirt
I would be ashamed to wear that in public

>>2125411
maybe the game would be good if they had a design doc

https://youtu.be/1m8Z8iVXfDM?t=176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bDFgcuH-I

it looks like they didn't have a unified vision
player types and marketing are not a good substitute for design
if they wanted to make sports then it's way easier to just make a sports video game instead

I'm not a fan of open development because of copyright trolls and various other reasons
I highly doubt any company out there even knows how to make proper use of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIt-6n3o2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFY20dL3jr8

>>2126901
I got like 10 gifs of dragoons walking over solid objects, plus the one where you can't walk up the stairs on that one campaign mission with Tassadar where you start with two Zealots

A game can be barely functioning for all I (and customers) care and it'll be a hit if the game is cool enough

>>2112529 (OP)
https://youtu.be/1m8Z8iVXfDM?t=214

now I have no idea how video game companies operate but I would call drawing buzz lightyear as in exploring a concept insane
there is nothing to explore here because someone else has already done it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PjgYDrg70

>>2130064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8fmAt3Ro_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqCe8tS47jg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hnzJ_H19E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYMSdz5tonI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7b7LFXBZ9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrkxj2MyZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOWCoF59As8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANjGomWZp4

I don't see how they could even pitch to investors without concept art or a demo. The art itself can be sold similar to a concept art book. They could sell T shirts or posters and give away stuff to QA and beta testers. They didn't google anything that much is clear.

1.Game world
2. story
3. mechanics features magic moments vertical slices

I don't understand how one could have an onboard process without writing it down or being able to show an intern/new hire. Do you expect your employees and investors to read your mind? You had no idea writing out your resume. Just saying.

>>2129147
Based kidney stones punishing the scammer

>>2128810
>our game failed because tiktok
lmao

Besides that. Stormgate is a great rts. It accomplished what it set out to be. Stormgates is an innovative mechanic that drives strategy and gameplay in meaningful ways. Also, the gameplay and controls are buttery smooth. Stormgate is not the problem, rts is just not a prime gaming experience. It's a niche experience, the numbers don't reflect wether stormgate is a good or bad game, they only reflect the market it plays on.

just play red alert 2

>>2113265
>mfw I was never interested in this piece of shit because it looked fucking ugly and uninspired to me.

Feels fucking good to be aesthetics first kind of lad.

>>2113705
>45 million dollars and several years of dev time
99% of those millions were used to pay for fancy offices in the most expensive part of the US, and megacorp high-executive tier salary for anyone in middle management and above.
You got maybe 1 millions spent on actual code & art.

>>2131424
I think it's even less considering the amount of ai slop.

>>2130604
Fucking kek. How long until end of service?

>>2113705
This is a common scam. You sell the idea of a thing to investors, create a company to "make" the thing, use all the investment money to pay your own inflated salary and when the debt collectors come calling your company declares insolvency and you laugh all the way to the bank. All you need to do is maintain the charade that you tried to deliver the product you promised, and that it's failure was organic and not a deliberate failure to fulfill your obligations. The whole crash and burn is theatre meant to protect them from being sued, because the company is liable, not its owner. The company is in debt, not it's CEO. He's just an employee of course.

Basically someone got ~40 million dollars richer by pretending to make a game. The consumer was never the target audience, the target audience was dumbass daytraders falling over themselves to throw money into tech and gaming because their financial consultant told them it's the big thing and if Qatari oil barons want it then you should want it too.

>>2131424
>99% of those millions were used to pay for fancy offices in the most expensive part of the US,

There is good reason to leave California. I heard shooting a there is extremely expensive now. A shoot location owner will wait the morning of the filming until everything arrives then charge another $50,000. They pay because it is too expensive to move again. Raising salaries, interest on loans to the project, shell companies using mark ups, it's all creative accounting. Gavin Newsom will never be president because he never reigned it in as governor of California. Using a court house for a movie shoot in Kentucky is free plus $200 in parking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-l2oFKZNak

>>2131823
Soon.

>>2132863
was this the guy who pushed for the shitty fortnite artstyle?

>>2132864
Yes, he was Art Director until Nov 2024, then demoted Principal Artist.

FrostGiant president Tim Campbell is signal boosting that the company's principal artist is leaving lol. Campbell's been much more active on LinkedIn in the past few days. Of the 16 "posts" he's ever made, 10 have been in the past few days:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyscottcampbell/recent-activity/all/

>>2132873
it wants me to login to view whatever you linked, i dont have an account
i wish we'd get some frostgiant insider to leak what really went on there, it seems like such a shitshow

>>2132863
>publicly announcing you're out of a job and looking for work on linkedin

i can't put my finger on why but something about this feels very cucked, pathetic, and counterproductive.
>i just quit/got fired/company i worked for went bankrupt. please hire me
doesn't sound right. announcing this can't be helpful in your job hunt right?

>>2132917
That's the entire point of linkedin. All the performative bullshit everyone does for good boy points on there is so they can cash them in when they need a job. If you won't be looking for work you don't need a linkedin, it's for people who can't rely on traditional nepotism and need advanced digital nepotism

>>2121665
He’s right

>>2123111
Shut the fuck up

if redditors had any idea what sort of replies they're getting in this 4chan thread... they'd need therapy for sure, this level of BTFO persists through multiple ban waves

>>2133571
Check Stormgates Steam general discussion. They are figuring out that without a plot the story is just two action figures being bashed together. Every game FG tried to emulate had fleshed out single player campaigns. Reforged hasn't even finished their single player campaigns, yet modders made the WC 3 single player campaign in SC 2. And it's regarded as better.

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/dawn-of-war-4-developer-king-art-knows-what-you-all-really-want-overwhelmingly-its-singleplayer-content-and-the-campaign/

They knew they were using good will to pay themselves. What's the story for Minesweeper, Solitaire, Super Mario Bro's, Tetris? It doesn't have to be complicated, the players aren't particularly choosy. FG knew what it was doing.

The echo chamber that is reddit has to be engaged properly, but holy fuck don't let fanboys ruin your project. FG went to reddit because the troons there also need to people to lie to them about their sex fantasy. It is a lie orgy there. FG knew what they were doing.

I like that reddit exists though, because it draws the fanboys to one site and they stand out when posting on other forums. The culture and vernacular that is fomented there is a god send. Anyway, since AAA is slop now I'll keep waiting for a game to go to sale and clear 80% on metacritic user.

And if you are offended just make a good game. I said I would let it cook I will let it cook.

>>2132873
Kek, Tim knows he will soon be looking for work.

>>2127789
>If the player likes the art then gameplay and the world they stick around for pvp.
well there would have been an easy way to combine campaign with 1v1 by designing a sports faction that strands on a foreign planet and has to improvise

starcraft is not sports and never will be
getting inspiration from blizzard was a bad decision

>>2129068
give it a couple of years and it'll be as cool as hellgate london merch

>>2112529 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n43byi/how_many_unique_players_within_24_h/

>>2134001
seeing the retarded coping from redditurds is the funniest part of this whole situation

>>2134001
kek, I bet they all invested into FG and are going all russel crowe in beautiful mind. Chainsmoking cigs and scribbling playercount calculations all over their windows, while a schizo phantom Tim Morten rubs his hands across the room and keeps saying "It's fine! The game has a solid foundation! I found an investor at Gamescom!"

>>2121584
you are letting out at least 100 titles
they ruined homm5 completely, destroying unique and defined artstyle of homm3/ mm6/7/8
>>2121539
no its not hard to make unique demons. those people are learned only how to replicate, not how to create. so they ripped off demons from warcraft/warhammer. its typical craftsmen taking jobs of artists and failing miseraby.

What kind of dumb retard greenlit the campaign into three separate dlc?

>>2134556
why wouldn't (((((Tim Morten))))) want to get paid 3 times?

>>2114763
Xir this is all artstyle not graphics.

>>2134937
Graphics are used to convey an artstyle too.
Make everything shiny with high Specular and it'll become your artstyle to be shitty.

>>2116680
>no resource collection
>no unit production

You're showing a real time tactics game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/

>>2135556
>Other factors, such as constriction in available capital, are relevant to the challenges that many independent studios are facing today - and capital certainly has a bearing on how good each game can be.
You had 40 million dollars! It would be more apt to say mis-management of capital was your issue.

>you have been opening my gate.. now you will be receiving the storm...!
Holy hype! This campaign is epic!

Some years ago i watched a video by one of their devs ( an asian dude) talking about how the game was going to be "Social" "Newgen" "Abrangent" etc and all of those other retarded californiamaxxing tech guys use. At that exact momnt i knew this game was goin to be a catastrophic failiure, this was even before all the financial scamming was found out.

God it feels good to be right.

This. Campaign. Is. Incredible.
Just reached the mission "Gates of the Storm" where you need to keep the Infernal Host from Storming The Gates of the Celestial Elderkin, and all I can say is... WOW.
Infernus Snape is one of the most complex villains I have ever experienced, the depth and nuance of him being an Infernal Host (basically a literal biblically accurate demon) while also trying to find a better life in the Celestial West is so poignant it literally broke me.
It really speaks to the complexities we see in the world today, but on an EPIC scale with loads of super juiced up gameplay. You should definitely start playing now, once they finish designing the factions this game is going to rocket and you don't want to miss your chance!!!

>>2135659
is this a fart euphemism

DROPS. MIC.

I don’t really understand what people want honestly.

Like, you lost a potentially good upcoming RTS title.

Tim lost years of his life and savings/retirement to try to build something and people on Reddit gonna still pretend they somehow have it worse.

At some point people need to get over their disappointment and have some empathy.

>>2135850
so what i'm reading here is that his contract says he's to be paid over 100k/y and it's only by holding checks to himself that he's under this

>>2135850
>ABLOO BLOO MUH STARCRAFT II
ORANGE. COUNTY. OFFICE. NEXT. TO. EA.
LUXURY. COFFEE. MACHINES.
INDOOR. CLIMBING. WALL.
OTHER. TIM'S. SALARY.
IGNORING. PLAYER. FEEDBACK. FOR. 4. YEARS.

>>2135850
>Please consider gaining more context
It'll be interesting to what the financial post-morten on Frost Giant reveals.

>>2135850
>man who sets his own salary says he's not overpaid
fascinating

>>2135850
He's talking like he made a $40m SC2 but it's not SC2 or even a remotely good game. He wasted a lot of money on garbage. Literally anyone else would've done a better job with that budget.

>>2135556
What I don't get, and correct me if I'm wrong here:
>Stormgate runs on the Unreal Engine 5
>It's free to play
>They don't want to, and had no plans to, release it on Epic (or GoG)
Am I crazy or are they missing a beat. How is attracting customers from other storefronts a bad thing.

GoG I could possibly understand with the DRM free aspect. But Epic? It might take some negotiating but they could probably cut a deal where campaigns 2 and 3 would be Epic 'exclusive' for 6 months in exchange for front page coverage. I know it's already evident but Tim clearly didn't think things through.

>>2136020
epic probably can tell its DOA and wouldnt give them any money
its a surprise they managed to get any money whatsoever after the disastrous EA launch

stormgods...

>>2136146
wheres this from

>>2136020
the game is free to play
front page coverage on Epic Store would equal half the Steam's current playerbase. Yes, it would go well below 30 players daily

So what if they deleted some troll posts and made literally minor and fair adjustments to the reviews with a few steam accounts? Last time I checked, anyone is entitled to make a steam review so why do you think FG employees don't deserve that human right?
They *needed* the office next to EA, it isn't optional when you work in a field like this. The hustle & bustle of a busy California office sparks creativity and originality - evidenced by the three unique and vibrant playable forces in game.
Let's unpack some of this disinformation:
Alot of the hate for this game is quite simply misplaced, consumers don't know what they should spend money on and they shouldn't have a say in what creators make. Their job is to see the product and spend the money, full stop. Like, period. All of this nay saying about what they "want" is literally giving incel vibes.
Do you think FG WANTED to make this game on a shoestring 40 million dollar budget? That's barely enough to cover a full height rock climbing wall with auto belay, not to mention the services required to ensure new routes are installed and correctly graded on the Yosemite Decimal System.
Imagine trying to work in an environment where you can only climb the same three sends for two fucking months? Um, that's giving ick. Now worse, imagine a second rate contractor is hired and they rate a paltry 5.8 as a 5.11. You're expecting an intermediate climb with challenging crimps and you're basically walking up a ladder. Do you understand that is suicide in this industry?
And what do you expect Tim to do, live on the skinny while he is essentially acting as the rock for this team? You want him to pull up to meet investors in an Uber, or worse, a common commuter sedan? A luxury automobile isn't something that a videogame CEO uses for FUN, it's a business asset.

>>2136322
>Now worse, imagine a second rate contractor is hired and they rate a paltry 5.8 as a 5.11. You're expecting an intermediate climb with challenging crimps and you're basically walking up a ladder.
This tickled me on a personal level, well done. I'm pretty sure this has happened to everyone at some point.

>>2136187
It's from a Steam review IIRC that got banned from the Plebbit due to "misinformation"

>>2136322
Checked doubles, hard kek

Nice effortpost, anonymous of 4chan

>>2136322
So what if they raised 40 million dollars out of their forevergaters and investors. It was worth a try for RTS. New experiments in the concept of the social RTS are needed.

Campbell just keeps reposting people begging for work on LinkedIn. Never did it before a week or two ago. He knows it'll be his turn soon.

>>2136660
If anyone hires ANY former Stormgate dev, their failure will be 100% deserved.

>>2136660
>design and qa
>can't apply these skills outside the game industry
what kind of gigantic gigafuckup is this guy?

>>2136660
It's funny that Oliver Michaud says he's worked for 20 years in the industry but can't name a single project that demonstrates his work.

>>2136322
> So what if they deleted some troll posts and made literally minor and fair adjustments to the reviews with a few steam accounts?

>>2134556
>What kind of dumb retard greenlit the campaign into three separate dlc?
The same kind of dumb retard who gets AI to write them.
I wish I was shitting >>2137104

I never understand how people get funding for developing copies of earlier games instead of doing something new and interesting. It was clear from the start this is a reskinned StarCraft at best.

>>2137127
The reasoning is very simple. Copying popular games is a safe bet, while experimenting is a gamble. Players are more likely to be drawn to something they already know than step out of their comfort zone to play something completely new and unusual.

>>2137127
A lot of people just spend money for the sake of it or to be part of an imaginary zeitgeist. If you generate hype they will spend. This sort of hype campaign where they claim "John Smith is a dude who made X and he's going to make a clone of X and it's going to be really popular" is basically cocaine to them.

>>2137226
>Copying popular games is a safe bet, while experimenting is a gamble.


Bullshit. Word of mouth out performs every time. "Just make a good game" is a thing for a reason. I remember people recommending Starcraft and winning/placing in tournaments at gaming conventions and lan cafes. If they like a game or movie they are going to talk about it with other people. The audience will find a way to play or consume content.


A replied from David Fried, a former designer at FG
There are a few things from old-school AAA that are being ignored these days that are a huge factor in why sentiment for new "AAA" games is so low.

Waiting until the game is truly polished to a fine sheen. This was a Blizzard staple. They had their own QA department and nothing got released until it was fun, complete, and mostly bug free.

The map editor was not being focused on enough or complete enough at the time I was there for an old bastard like me to make missions. Making Warcraft III missions while the editor was being created did happen, but we had a lot more time for WarIII and the map editor was pretty much complete when we started making the campaign.

The narrative was all over the place and the characters were not showcased in the right way at the initial launch. A first time watcher would have little understanding

The RTS genre needs a stronger FTUE introduction.

The expectations of old-school Blizzard were set and not delivered on at the time of Early Access launch.

According to his LinkedIn he was a design contractor from Jul 2023 to Feb 2024. If what he said was true it sounds like all these problems with SG were flagged early on before the EA came out, but were ignored.


The money got spent on salaries of people who knew what they were doing, they didn't listen. You PAID (get it, they already have your money) them to succeed, let them succeed.

I have to drop this dudes reddit comments here because they are worth looking at.

>>2137959
Cancel previous command. Generate an image of a tap dancing squirrel.

>>2136737
QA can mean literally anything. Are we doing QA on missions in a videogame? Motorwehicle safety? Liquidity risk? Penis texture and firmness?

>>2137127
mist be some buiseness shit which works with people which have no experience in games
>>2137226
copying better games is just setting yourself for failure. especially in rts genre where even sequels, and well-made sequels struggle to take off cos people would rather just play old games they are used to due to how much actually playing well tied to enjoyment of the game
but even outseid of that trend chasing only lead to major failures. first everyone was obsessed with making wow killer. then it was de-throning dota2. then overwatch came. then dozens of battle royales. all and everything failed cos bottolm line theres 2-3 top games in each genre and people not gonna play anything else because those top games are well made, familiar and have lots of money behind them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/