Thread 2173227

fixed the design edition
get in here and discuss

>>2173227 (OP)
I hope the genderbent Char betrays us.

>>2173162
>I do wonder why Misty is a Rogue/Ninja instead of a Rogue/Assassin.
I think it's a casualty of the planned third tier classes. Heixing and Giselle would have had access to Assassin masteries via Dark Sniper and Dark Ranger, and by making Misty a new class it means they wouldn't have been bloated with tons of ESP-related masteries they can't make use of. I bet the knife throwing and Hide-related Ninja masteries were originally Assassin masteries. I would have liked to have Misty using Fire Support/Overwatch with her knife throws though.
>I guess they wanted to introduce at least one entirely new class in the dlc, which is understandable, but from a lore perspective, someone needed to have taught her those ninjutsu, and that certainly wasn't the Assassin Child training facility.
I'm not sure why you say that. Mash was trained as a White Mage and Ninja is just a stealthy WM.

The biggest sin of Misty's ninja class is that its so shit unless you go all in on knife throw perma invis shenanigans. All of the ESP stuff is cool as shit and you can make some proper fun builds but it will still get outshined by other builds.

>>2173356
Here's mine, it has well over 100% Block, like 180% Dodge and the main gimmick is getting turns back off of dodging by abusing Hideout's free Conceal for extra AT reduction on dodging.

>>2173356
Ninja's design is fucked on multiple levels
>Water Release is deliberately shitty unless you slot in like eight different masteries just to reach the power of Irene's Somersault that she's had since the start of the game
>Healing ninjutsu is ludicrously powerful, but nobody needs that much healing
>Mist ninjutsu comes at the point where enemies have infinite accuracy, and while healing fog is always handy, Ray can put it down from much longer range without any investment into her masteries.
The only thing that's kind of cool is her shadow ninjutsu, except Ninja doesn't have any SP-focused masteries and can't memedodge like Rogue so you need to slot in Awaken on a class that already wants more Ability and Defence slots than it has.
Permahide is pretty much the only thing going for it, and yet I still see pretty much a 50/50 split between Ninja and Rogue Misty in PVP.

>>2173378
Its been a while since I tried to make ESP misty work so I can't list everything wrong with it but what stuck out to me most was the complete absence of support for it in the masteries. Shaman masteries suck for Ninja, her mastery sets do barely anything for her while costing tons of slots, and despite the class having unique ninjitsu skills knife throw has way more support from mastery sets.

there will be hell to pay if misty doesn't show up in the sequel.

Something I realised during my latest playthrough even after so many hours: Your units' attack range is capped to their sight. This is especially relevant to Giselle because her basic everyday snipe attack has more range than she has sight. Her personal mastery that provides +2 sight +1 night sight is calculated exactly to make up the difference and is effectively +2 range.
Here's Giselle with Gunbarrel Reinforcement + Eyes of Cruel Sky, giving her 17 listed range on her Snipe. But because she only has 14 Night Sight and Blind reducing her vision by 5 (to 9 total) she can only fire at targets within 9 tiles, including through masteries like Fire Support.
That's why almost every enemy sniper in the game uses night vision goggles - so they can benefit from their full range without getting hard capped by vision.

>>2173413 (me)
>But because she only has 14 Night Sight
Sight at night*. It's a small but distinct difference that my wording fucked up.

>>2173227 (OP)
Any tips on making this run better on the steam deck? I figured it would be a perfect handheld game, but it runs like shit.

>>2173425
I don't have a deck, but the game's biggest bottlenecks are RAM and GPU, especially if you're playing offline.
>long loading times
GPU-related. When I swapped out the graphics card in my PC my loading times went from 2+ minutes to 10-15 seconds
>game stutters badly when skills/sound effects happen
RAM-related. Playing online helps with this because when you play locally the game runs a full server instance on your PC and eats another 4-6GB of RAM.
>low FPS with lots of field effects (electricity, smoke, etc)
This is a universal problem with the game, no amount of tweaking will fix it.
>low FPS in general
GPU-related. Could try reducing the graphics settings. Typically AA and shadows are the most intensive things. The game also lets you downscale the 3d resolution which makes your game look like multiple anons' screenshots but provides a massive quick&dirty boost to performance.

>>2173313
that... makes a lot of sense
and lore-wise her ninja flavoured personal mastery is "Blood" type so maybe her ninjutsu was a random talent, not a skill she had to be taught...

>>2173425
Haha...

>>2173413
I didn't know that either, huh. So gunbarrel reinforcement is a wasted mastery slot on her unless you get her extra sight or you're just using it for the mastery sets.

>>2173408
One of the new playable characters, Trya, used to work at Misty and Rion's old company (Vermillion) so she'll probably be mentioned or appear in a flashback at the very least.

This one attack aggroed pretty much the entire map

Playing with the level limiter additional challenge on is making me have to manually control VHPD officers and I resent that.

>>2173772
Is it actually fun? That's the one modifier I haven't touched.

>>2173811
I figured it would be one of the hardest modifiers and it is. One of the things that kept me away from it was I figured I'd have to grind to keep up, but so far up to 15 I haven't. I'm enjoying having to be very particular about spending my TP so far. The enemies are much stronger than me other than Sion who is carrying hard, but Albus and Irene with Defensive Choice and block stacking are also important for keeping shit away from him.

>>2173605
Haha... 'luv Mungos.

>>2173605
24000 damage is bound to make some noise anon
>>2173811
the anti-grinding modifier? it's certainly an improvement

A long time ago I remember an anon was experimenting with the Earnest Researcher mastery set that doubles the effective TP of the category with the highest points, and he discovered that if multiple categories are all tied for the highest TP it doubles all of them. At the time it was determined an absolute meme and not worth doing.
However
Today it clicked to me that the same principle also applies to the machine version, which is a much more powerful mastery. You can make some numerically hilariouos drones by paying attention to it.

Here's the board.

>>2174620
>>2174622
Wtf does this work?
If the highest TP ties, Reinforcement shouldn't have more available TP than the other slots.

>>2174630
It's not about property limit, it's about allocated TP. Frame, Reinforcement, AI and Support all have 22, so Compatibility Optimization doubles all of them.

>>2174635
Still don't get it.

I have a few questions about masteries, wonder if anyone here can clarify. Some of these I'm just too lazy to test myself, others I have no idea how to reliably test for myself.

>Lunatic Beast
The description of the mastery set says it reinforces Indomitable Will by reducing damage by 20% if under rage state. So does this mean the 20% reduction when enraged is only applied when Indomitable Will is active, i.e. below 1/3 HP, or does it just give the damage reduction when you are enraged regardless of health?

>any mastery that gives bonuses for equipped class masteries without specifying which class
Does it mean *any* class mastery, or only masteries that are belonging to the same class as that?
So in the case of Trained Attack, would this mean I get the damage and AT reduction only for other Fighter masteries, or for any other class masteries as well, like Martial Artist and Battlemage?

>Traces of Blood
If the first attack applies bleeding, does that bleeding increases the chance of Bladestorm happening?

>Retaliation and Combo Attack
Does the "always hit" bypass responsive attack dodging effects like Lightning Reflexes and Perfect Draki's Scale?

>any multi-hit that applies Armor Break / Bruise or other damage increase debuff
If the first hit(s) apply the debuff, do the additional hits benefit from the debuff?
Say, Sweeper Heixing uses Annihilation Shot on a destructron and the first four hits stack Armor Break, do the remaining seven hits deal full damage?

>any mastery that benefits from applied debuff when that debuff is applied on a single-hit
For example, Flames of Regeneration. If a single-hit attack applies burning, does the applier still get the healing bonus? Or does it have to be applied before using the attack?

>Upgrade Grenade
Since Ray's basic attack technically comes from her equipped item, does the base damage increase also apply to that?

>Inspire
Does the damage buff apply for each stack in the case of stackable buffs like Chance to Win?

>>2174656
>Lunatic Beast
Happens all the time while in a rage state. When it's got text like that it's an additional effect, not necessarily an extension of the original mastery unless it says otherwise.
>unspecified class masteries
They count all of them of all types, including class-related mastery sets and the always-on class mastery.
>Traces of Blood
Yeah it does
>Retaliation and Combo Attack
They do. Always hit/crit takes priority over always dodge in this game. There's a very, very lategame Rogue mastery set that nullifies them, however.
>multi-hits interacting with debuffs
They do. The hits are all calculated one at a time, sequentially.
>single hits benefiting from debuffs they themselves have applied
They do, as long as the attack doesn't one-shot the enemy. They have to survive the hit to become debuffed for the benefits to apply.
>Upgrade Grenade applying to Ray's basic attack
It doesn't. That would be hilarious if it did, but no.
>Inspire
I'm 99.9% sure it doesn't count stacks, but I'm probably going to have to make a build to test whether that's actually the case. Even though there are sets to boost the percentage, 2% is pretty low even for a 1-point mastery.

Alright, I've got Inspire and a few stacked up mental buffs.
>Rage
>Faith
>Peace of Mind
>Excitement
>Bravery
>two stacks of Release Magic
>two stacks of Chance to Win
7 separate buffs. I'm getting ~14% from Inspire, so that means it's only counting the different buffs rather than including the stacks in its count.

>>2174672
>>2174701
thanks for the response anon, that was very helpful
now I can adjust my builds to this information

>>2173227 (OP)
Anyone knows where i can get Atonement? It's a Priest mastery and im not sure if it's from the spoonist terramancer i just discovered(everything is ???). No guide on steam or google is helping.

>>2174921
Haven't gotten it yet on my current save but I can confirm that it's not from regular spoonist terramancers or Julio (who both have priest masteries).
It could be an achievement mastery or unlocked from joint drills, maybe someone else can chime it.

>>2174921
Mash (DLC2) has it.

>>2174940
That is already a great help. Saved me some time.
>>2174947
Thank you! I also i found a guide that says it appears by chapter VIII and im just at V at the moment. Do i have to complete the normal game before doing DLCs?

>>2174954
>Do i have to complete the normal game before doing DLCs?
Yep, they are a continuation of the story

>>2174620
>At the time it was determined an absolute meme and not worth doing.
Nah, this is the strongest Ray build numerically that I've made, though Grenadier's turn shenanigans are probably better anyway. My only comment on it is that it might not be worth it outside of Limit Break, I haven't tried to make that work. Also it's probably pretty good while leveling with some work since the Masteries are all gotten off of leveling classes.

>>2174960
Grabbed the wrong image.

I don't recall there being a single actual priest enemy in the game, only white mages with priest masteries. I wonder what the inherent mastery for priest does, assuming Dandy even made one for it.

>>2174656
700 hours in this game and I have never asked myself these questions, thank you.

>>2174970
knowing Dandy, yes. maybe look in the help files

We do not negotiate with terrorists.

>>2174921
Julio probably has it. He's accessible a lot earlier than Mash.

>>2174970
They did. It's pretty boring though.

>>2173227 (OP)
Good evening gentlemen, i like to melee targets with fire veil and Irene is best girl. That is all.

>>2175536
It's very enjoyable to melee targets with Fire Veil while you have immunity to its AT delay, such as from Wind Veil. Bonus points if you stun enemies with it by slamming them into a wall.

>>2175541
The main plot theme of Troubleshooter is a struggle of Man vs. Fire Veil, where in the early game you're getting shit on by spoonists stunning you and in the lategame you're immune to it and only enemies get stunned.

>>2175561
>early-game enemies on top of a hill you can't get onto are hell to deal with outside of a few options like Sion's Lightning Storm
>late-game enemies on top of a hill get killed by someone from ground level 10 tiles away while the enemy has cover
That progression is so satisfying in this game.

>>2175565
having the first three party members be frontliners with only the shitty cops for range really screwed up my initial impression of what this game would be like
then in the mid game and beyond you have the opposite problem, too many ranged units and not enough frontliners

>>2175565
Attacking the spoonist compound is so satisfying because of this, over 9000 hours in and your earliest most annoying foes become total shitters and you get to break the door down and btfo them. I busted into the central church room with only Kylie's drones and they massacred everything, so much goddamn fire everywhere.

>>2175569
imo it's better to start with frontliners because ranged characters are simply better in games like this, as melee characters have to close distance but that takes up time which can be used to attack instead. So it creates a phase of the game where your best units are all on a level playing field. Later on your team can pull off so many ludicrous screen-clearing or sniping antics that the melee users get kinda left behind. (sometimes literally because they're just too slow)

>>2175570
>white tigers first appearance
>oh fuck these guys are hard
>white tigers final appearance
>lmao get clowned

>>2175572
This game does a pretty good job of averting that imo. Lategame melee units are significantly more durable than ranged units and they have more movement (and often speed) as well. The only units that really fall behind when the party moves are the supportfags: Anne and engineer Kylie.

>>2175577
>Anne
true, the way i used her she was basically a slow mage that would nuke anything she hits, but only manages single-target, so she's powercrept by the others especially Sion (black mage) who simply played the same role but better

>Kylie
No way, she summons two drones and each one is better than half the human units, and the holograms are amazing. Kylie tanked better than my actual tanks vs. some enemies because the hologram wastes so many turns. I forget if mine was Engineer or Hacker in the end but actual hacking always seemed fairly useless, so maybe it was Engineer?

white magic circuit doesn't even seem to do much to alleviate anne's speed issues which is disappointing
neither does prosperity.
and it's hard to fit speed items in her item build, especially if she's a witch because then you need hit chance and/or low vigor + vigor regen to make up for it.
her short little legs just can't keep up.

>>2175580
Hacker does more than just hack stuff. They get damage + defence from having unused protocols, their protocols cost 1AP less, and they get massively reduced cast delay. They also have access to Thief masteries so they can get Quick Thief and stuff.
Engineer hits much harder and has access to Consecutive Attack, but they can't reduce their protocols' cast delay or AP usage so as soon as she does anything she's stuck with a 40 AT delay (80 if she nukes).

>>2175588
Golden Leather is really good on Witch, even the 3rd set bonus. All the pieces have Speed on them so you can get +40 Speed from that. It's pretty easy to hit over 100 Speed that way. On White Mage I never took Shukuchi off of her because so much of her kit benefits from her taking turns as fast as possible and the extra movement helps a lot for her auras too. Eventually getting down to 21-26 AT turns with Best Condition, Prosperity and Great Plains is awesome.

>>2175596
i think that anon was referring to kylie's hacking ability being kinda useless and not her class.
it's not totally useless though, just pretty situational, can be a quick way to get rid of strong robot enemies

>>2175606
I feel the action economy is usually just bad. The hologram can effectively disable several enemies by wasting their turns, whereas hacking only disables one enemy. And iirc the odds on bosses are abysmal (maybe that's because of difficulty level stoo)

Proper hacking is one of those things that I'm sure is nice to bring on the maps where there's a lot of robots but I always run with generalist builds.

>>2175609
>And iirc the odds on bosses are abysmal
embrace the gamba
19%?
i like those odds

>>2175609
>whereas hacking only disables one enemy
Hacking takes over 1 enemy permanently for the map, unless they have the mastery that ends it after 5 turns. Ironically I think Engineer is more worthwhile as a hacking class because while its success rates aren't as high, whatever you hack benefits from all the broken-as-fuck Engineer masteries intended for your own drones. It turns regular ordinary Remodelled Bicrons into boss-raping super units, and hacking a boss is pretty much an automatic win.
Unfortunately there aren't that many maps that have machines in general so it's pretty niche.

>>2175615
>Unfortunately there aren't that many maps that have machines in general so it's pretty niche.
machine enemies tend to be some of the hardest in the game though so if you know a map will have some it can be worth switching out an ability for hacking

>>2175588
Chasing a Herd is nice on Anne and other slowpokes, Altruist i remember being popular in pvp

Just ran into this Albus on NA joint drills. Don't let your dodgememes be dreams.

He's got fucking Observation bonds too

AAAAAAAAA

Leton has something to say about dodgefags

>>2175457
This mission is so absurdly hard on your first try.
Legitimately the only case where you're not supposed to beat every enemy before retreating aside from that Albus x Issac mission down the line.

>>2175694
How do you disable dodge again?

>>2175742
It's pretty hard on replays too. Even if you know about things like Phys Resistance 3 the tigers hurt like hell, there are fuckloads of them and they spam suppression. If your Wind Veil or Furious Lightning Gale are down you can get locked down for a long time.
On my recent playthrough I was curious how the mission plays if you don't try to hold them off and just have everyone leg it. It's even harder doing that because the whole mass of them barrels down the center of the map towards the green units holding the line, and you lose if they break through.
Suitably scary introduction to a suitably scary faction.

>>2175749
Leton's personal mastery makes Double-Wheel Kick, Frostmill and his other overcharge skill unavoidable.

>>2175754
you only have to evacuate one of the stranded cops (and suicide the rest) to win, trying to evac all 10 sounds like hell

>>2175897
I ended up fucking up and we lost 1 brave officer.

>>2175742
>Legitimately the only case where you're not supposed to beat every enemy before retreating aside from that Albus x Issac mission down the line.
I beat that one down to the last man too. That one had some unique dialogue, I don't think this mission does unfortunately.

>>2175901
>I don't think this mission does unfortunately.
It doesn't, I've gone back with endgame builds to check. As far as the plot is concerned you're still running away with a tired team.

>stab guy
>Fire Veil knocks Albus next to the other guy
>stab other guy with Forestallment

>>2175987
this kind of stuff is always funny

>>2175994
Makes me laugh every time, webm included.

>>2175987
Yessss, feel the power

>>2176012
I should really run that with how much I've been using Forestallment. I'll probably be able to fit it in soon.

>>2176012
feel THIS power

>>2176046
Albus is fucking terrified of rabbits.

>>2176046
Lightning Reflexes doesn't block Forestallment. Also Sen no Sen.

>>2176055
I swear it did, maybe I just got it confused with close suppressive fire (forestallment for sweepers)

>>2176062
Darkness Hunter upgrades it to dodge all responsive attacks, not just responsive fire, but Sen no Sen still crits even against that.

>>2175994
there was one time I managed to twister kick an enemy into triggering alisa's forestallment and that was pretty cool

Who troubleshoots the troubleshooters?

>>2176736
Find out at the end of the series when we have to put down a stark-raving mad Albus.

>>2176046
>not luckmaxxing
ngmi

>Ryo dropped Battojutsu on the second go
Thanks.

Starlight Prison claims it disables enemy Zone of Control, but it doesn't seem to.

>>2176897
are you sure it's not because there's another enemy right next to it that isn't in gay baby jail?

>>2176898
Well, it wasn't working from the top too, but there might be an enemy above that out of sight, so I'll have to double check.

it looks like you're getting zoned by this guy unless you mean something else

>>2176903
Yeah, I meant the tile above the guy in jail. Seems like that was the case though, thanks.

Is this one of those games you`re supposed to keep losing in order to get items/XP and become stronger until you finally beat the stages?
I'm at the 3rd mission and always get my ass whooped.

>>2177557
No. If you're struggling with story missions you should try some side missions, get some better gear and change your mastery build. There are some pretty hard levels in the story though.

What difficulty are you playing on?

>>2177557
Is that Ramji Plaza? That map's pretty hard to be so early. There are dialogue options you can pick that make the neutral units join you to make it a lot easier.

the 3rd mission is the plaza terror attack, right?
there are other characters in that mission you can get to temporarily join your party, you should try to get albus to make contact with them first. at this point in the game they are much stronger than albus.
don't prioritize rescuing civilians if it would jeopardize your units, even though that's not heroic.
and don't melee enemies with fire veil.

I'm replaying the plaza mission right now and Ray seems so different in it compared to later in the game.

>>2177575
>don't melee enemies with fire veil

I do not like Irene, she is my least favorite of the cast next to leton

>>2177606
villain
who's your favorite then, HUH?

>>2177606
But she's the funny girl who runs around and yells "villain!"

Reminder that there's no attractive characters.

>>2177664
Except Kylie, Alisa, Giselle, Bianca and a few NPCs like Dianne.

>>2177557
It can seem and feel that way but I'm doing yet another playthrough with all the difficulty modifiers and I didn't fail a mission until much later in the game. The more experienced you are, the more you understand how to do well with less in terms of positioning and building.

>>2177664
>>2177724
Also except Misty, Irene and Jane.

>>2177589
it's good advice for new players
they can do the funny later when they have stronger characters and/or are better at the game

>>2177724
Don't forget Luna.

Why does Ray's default portrait look so... weird when her actual in-game model isn't that bad and she looks decent in several CGs?

>>2177724
>>2177787
albus's aunt has got it going on

>>2177856
>those eyebags
Would.

>>2177608
bianca of course

>>2177856
>jane
>giselle
>his aunt
>alisa
albus is a cougar magnet for some reason

>>2177920
he's young and shy/inexperienced enough to appeal to their predatory cougar (or protective mommy) instincts but also confident and capable enough to be somewhat traditionally attractive

>ex military war vet
>top tier troubleshooter
>blushes like a schoolgirl when some autist 10 years younger compliments her

>>2175457
I wanted to talk about my Albus here because even at level 30 I'm still using the base of this build because it's so damn good and covers his essentials.

>Defensive Choice
For 5 TP this synergy is insane. 20% Block at a baseline, 5% per enemy in LoS, and another 20% if enemies > allies in LoS. It's a huge amount of Block even if the last effect isn't active, but it pretty much always will be in the early-game. This synergy makes it trivially easy to hit 100% Block even if you have displayed 60% and 100% Block lets you take punishment indefinitely. I think you have a few more points to play with but I can't remember what else I was using, it was probably just a few extra stats and Bloodshed.

If 100% Block by itself was enough, though, Irene with a similar build would be dominating too, but she lacks the most important thing that Albus has, which is the ability to fight AT delay. Not only does Albus have Wind Veil to ignore AT delay, he also has Weapon Blocking to cut off 10 AT every time he gets hit, feeding him constant extra turns as he tanks, dishing out more forced Forestallment crits from Sen no Sen. Add Second Wind later when you have the points and slots for it and he'll tank whatever gets thrown at him. I just went for general useful stuff like Combat Training and Repetitive Sword Training, plus Sword Manual is nice at some point. Can go for Bleed rather than Second Wind too.

>>2178027
defensive choice is the best early game mastery set hands down. I put that on every single member up until the robots start showing up.

>>2178033
Yeah, I've been shoving it on everybody too. Even my Giselle I just got suddenly has like 90% Block with the right conditions. Support slots aren't highly contested either, it's crazy good.

>>2178027
embrace the AT delay anon, Irene is the poster child for Deep Sea Escape
Ferocious Red Panda x2 Linkage x5 until failure
>>2178034
don't forget A Life Or Death Situation for all your Giselle memebuild needs!

>>2178066
Deep Sea Escape sounds like just the thing for my planned Call of Fire Martial Artist Irene, who will convert her fire skills into Blunt to give the middle finger to Rangers once and for all.

>>2178066
Is DSE the only way to make irene viable in DLC2? Because fuck me is she useless in Crimson Crow and takes a turn once every century.

>>2178027
>he also has Weapon Blocking to cut off 10 AT every time he gets hit, feeding him constant extra turns as he tanks, dishing out more forced Forestallment crits from Sen no Sen. Add Second Wind later when you have the points and slots for it and he'll tank whatever gets thrown at him. I just went for general useful stuff like Combat Training and Repetitive Sword Training, plus Sword Manual is nice at some point
Swordsman has so many good masteries and sets for just being a basic class that it makes nearly every other basic class (and some advanced classes) seem like shit. Elementalist is the only other basic class that comes close. Anyone could easily build a half-decent build with just swordsman/elementalist and common masteries which is nice with how early you can get them, and they're always fun to use since they have quite a bit of variety.

>>2178144
I'm partial to Gunman having Overwatch chain-killing available. Thrower has some good stuff too. Love Elementalist, Sion practically builds himself.

And with regards to Heixing, an anon posted about Sight affecting max range recently and that had me check out his range. Three of his skills have a range of 13 compared to the base 12 vision, base 10 at night. It's easier to fix at day since you could find +1 Sight from gear somewhere (can sacrifice some stats with an Abyss Coat), but getting the other 2 for max range at night is a lot harder without Owl Eye, a Basic Mastery that gives +3 Night Sight. Truly this game has no bounds to its min-maxing.

>>2178033
Physical Resistance 3 gives it some pretty strong competition imo. The 50% damage reduction is nice, but the real draw early in the game is the massive amount of resistances it gives you. For 3 defence slots and 6TP you make all spirit-using enemies tickle you right through to the vanilla endgame, including bicrons.

>>2178235
>but getting the other 2 for max range at night is a lot harder without Owl Eye
Night Scope gear partially fixes this with +1 night sight but that's honestly a waste of the gear slot.
I rarely tend to use Heixing at his max range anyways, he always felt better at more of a mid range to get the most coverage out of his sweeping fire and shooting spree attacks, and he tends to have his turns often enough to get a chance to retreat if necessary.
And having more sight can actually be anti-synergy with the sweeper class since it relies on him eliminating all enemies in his sight to regain an action point. The more sight he has, the harder it can be to do that.

really wish sweeper wasn't so bad compared to the absurd shit ranger gets.

Sweeper is really fun when it works and it's better against bicrons/destructons than ranger since it has access to armor/weapon break, which really fucks over machines that are immune to all the debuffs ranger can apply.

>>2178248
*murders Schild Destron in 1 Annihilation Shot*
I GET KNOCKED DOWN
BUT I GET UP AGAIN
YOU AIN'T NEVER GONNA KEEP ME DOWN

>>2178254
Im pretty sure you have those two classes mixed up. Ranger has an entire mastery set just for fucking up robots and inflicts 4x armor/weapon break really fast.

>>2178246
My brain sees a bar to max and instantly sets out to do it. Good point on Sweeper Heixing, though. Controlling his LoS makes a huge difference in how many turns he can get, so he works better at night in some respects. If you're playing a Fire Support or Overwatch style, range is really nice, especially on Sweeping Fire, extra range on that cone will add a few dudes frequently. Running Owl Eye by itself at night is equivalent to adding a 1 point Mastery that gives you +3 range, which is nuts.

>>2178257
>buffs for being in exposed state
they really went for that exhibitionist schtick with heixing, huh

>>2178264
I guess that's where Anne learned to love exposing herself with Great Plains.

>>2178260
They both have good builds for dealing with Destrons. Sweeper is better at killing them itself, Ranger sets other people up to kill it.

>>2178268
nah no way. I played the final mission of DLC2 with a fuck robots setup ranger and he was evaporating them by shoving 8 reaction shots dealing 1k damage each up their asshole.

>>2178235
Collector's Set gives +1 sight but it's probably a meme to use, though the stats don't actually look too bad on it. But it's probably better on Giselle than Heixing if someone doesn't have any other way to get her sight parity with her range.

>>2178270
I'll concede that Damage Absorbing functionally makes Ranger better if you can hit the cap. It's feasible to do so by the end of the game for sure, but Sweeper has This Is My Gun and High-Velocity Armor-Piercing Bullet as generally good sets mostly using Masteries other good sets are already using, compared to Ranger's I Can Do This using Machine Hunter and only being strong against machine enemies. There's a higher cost to running that build as a Ranger. Over the course of the game it's going to be easier for a Sweeper to hit the damage cap against Damage Absorbing, it'll be better against the targets without it, and it doesn't significantly impact his performance against other targets which is nice in the missions with mixed human and robot enemies.

>>2178295
I looked around at other gear to see if there was any easy sight available and not really. Like you said earlier, you can get it from a Tool, but I agree the opportunity cost is too big. It's probably just slotting in Owl Eye on the night missions if you want to, sucks to lose Muscle Training or something but it can be a worthy trade-off for +3 range.

>run final map to get a webbum of me insta-killing Schild from full
>turns out it's slightly unreliable based on headshot RNG
I think I have more work to do

>>2178299
I converted the wrong webm what the fuck

Here's the following turn from that first webm. Meister's a bit of a chump for Sweeper.

Imagine how powerful sweeper Heixing would be if someone put a blindfold on him...

>>2178303
what the fuck gives that destron such insane dodge chance anyways?

>>2178305
>has 0 Sight
>can no longer shoot his gun

I wish Ray had a Dashing attack.

>>2178315
does Hit and Run work for this? seems like it would be intended synergy
>run up to someone
>kick them in the balls
>run away
>run + reckless charge kicks in and gives ray a second turn

>>2178319
I've never tried that, I'll have to see. I'll have to test it thoroughly because I always had this on but I never made amazing use of it and I'd like to change that. Earlier I tried throwing then moving without Hit and Run and that didn't work but I might not have satisfied the 8 tile requirement or that might not be a Dash.

>>2178307
Items and compatibility augmentation autism

Dandy knows about the tied TP doubling mechanic.

>>2178325
>only 130% dodge chance
>somehow every attack has a 0% chance to hit with like 200% hit chance
huh?

>>2178329
He probably also has some stuff that is minusing your accuracy. It's been too long since I built a proper drone to recognize that mass of sets.

>>2178319
>>2178324
I don't think it does actually unless you can somehow keep both action points after using an attack with hit and run, I kinda forgot how it works but after you attack with hit and run you'll end up with only one action point instead of both so you can't dash. I guess it's intended more for running up to the enemy to kick them from a still stance on her next turn which should come pretty quickly with like -40 AT.

>>2178329
I think you're overestimating your accuracy. My Kylie has 172 and she had 40-60% depending on range and still stance. Don't forget the map is also night + rain which screws over your base accuracy.

Their class mastery and Engine Acceleration also give a conditional extra 10% each, so really he's sitting more like 159%

>>2178334
Yeah, that's mainly how I've used it. She also has stuff like Direct Hit, deals more damage to closer enemies, and Perfectionist with Identical Target to refund her AP if she kills a target she previously hit. So you can do things like run in, blast some people that includes somebody you hit last turn, refund your AP, run over to somewhere else and blast some more people. You get Excitement off of activating it once, which is a nice buff. She auto-Conceals after dashing. Stuff like that. It's all really finnicky though.

>>2178337
>run over to somewhere else and blast some more people.
Actually, you wouldn't be able to do that...unless you also had One Shot One Kill to refund another AP.

>>2178334
>I guess it's intended more for running up to the enemy to kick them from a still stance on her next turn which should come pretty quickly with like -40 AT.
I use an item-based Grenadier with The Expert for 1AP grenades, and Hit and Run is really good for getting into spots where you can throw grenades from still stance next turn. With 1 AP for grenades, if Perfectionist triggers on your next turn's first attack you end up regaining your second action point instead of your first, so you can still take a full turn after killing them.

>>2178348
That's clever. I messed around with it before but I was using it for simple chain-killing. It's a great way to activate Perfectionist.

>post board
>realise I don't need Social Life anymore
>FREE slots out of nowhere

what are the most fun meme builds? For me its a toss up between ESP misty and Berserker Ray

>>2178360
For me it's OSOK pure Wind board Albus.

>>2178361
so you just toss wind blasts at people on repeat?

>>2178363
Yeah, and speaking of refunding AP, man oh man is it really broken on him with Great Valley Wind giving you free turns on top of getting to spam Turning Over a New Leaf, and that isn't even mentioning that you can put One Strike, One Head on there and OSOK for double AP refunds too, but that one was a bit too close to the sun, the killing potential on this build is very particular and it wasn't very reliable at doing it which is very important on a chain-killing build. Basically Albus can shoot like 30 dudes in a row and travel across the entire map in a single turn pretty easily.

I want to perform Magic Penetration on Bianca with my Great Wizard Staff

>>2178366
Pic related, you can see how precise the thing is from the gear alone probably. It still needed the Master versions of that stuff. Upon review I think I would drop Tornado Slash for Magic Amplification which would give me a significant amount of ESP and let me cut a lot of the damage from the board. The Call of Wind stuff with Forestallment is alright, but it's ironically gimmicky for this build with enough gimmicks. And the defenses are probably overkill but I always like that. Actually this build has a problem where if Albus goes too hard he becomes totally unsustainable without Soul Drain but that usually doesn't happen because there's a bunch of other people destroying other parts of the map.

>>2178360
If you really want a memebuild rabbit hole to fall down, look into sleep Beast builds. Bad Sleeping Habit is technically a responsive attack so it can spam skills that would otherwise go on cooldown in a similar way to Pincer Attack with Beast or Cover. You can use Somnambulism to pull them around the map with Giselle.

>>2178374
this except her anus

>>2178378
I miss my Lightning Masteries. All the good ones are so late...

>>2175900
You Joel'd it...

>>2178360
The first move really dud decide the match.

>>2178360
If a gamer gril walk over to my side of the road and then proceeds to Hurricane Katrina me and my friends, then i would be pretty pissed.

gamer girl esp water

>>2178409
>gf with water esp
>she cums
>tsunami triggers
>get blasted through the opposing wall

>>2178416
>thankfully my Rock Castle activates

>>2178360
melee Bianca is great fun with her whip
teleporter negoori
allah akhbar berserker alchemist
Wrathful Vengeance Anne
pleasure cruiser

Has anyone tried PvP features before?

>>2178421
there are some pvpers in this thread

>>2178421
I plan to. I originally started pirated so I had to play offline and then I wanted to have full mastery access for my second playthrough so that had to be offline too since it needed cheats. So I'm only getting around to filling out an online file now.

>>2178421
I regularly play with an anon from here on the EU server. I have endgame teams on NA, EU and Asia for PVP/Joint Drill purposes.

>>2178243
Doesn't phys III also grant bleed immunity?

>>2178766
Not outright immunity, but it does guarantee that it'll get removed at the start of your turn. Very nice for White Tiger maps.

>>2178378
What is the play here?
I remember fighting someone in pvp who used a sleeping draki eggshell to somehow feed his team with buffs, but I suppose this works differently?

>>2178419
>pleasure cruiser
kek
>>2178421
I haven't actually played in a while, but I used to pvp whenever someone entered the lobby.
Anons here are often up for matches as well.

>>2178781
Use as a regular unit until it either falls asleep naturally or gets knocked into Hibernation. You can use sleeping pills on it too but I think it's less efficient than just working with the awake unit.
Once it's asleep it'll constantly move towards wherever Giselle is and blast enemies in sight with chain lightning. Catnap + Twilight of Pain makes it take extremely fast turns, and because it's using a responsive attack and not the skill directly it has no cooldown and no cast delay.
The only disadvantage is that it can't dodge while asleep, but more often than not that's not a real issue

>>2178785
Nice. How does it attack, Pincer Attack with Beast or a dream mastery like Lucid Dreaming? Doesn't the sleep state disable Forestallment?

>>2178787
Bad Sleeping Habit
It's been too long since I ran it to remember definitively whether Forestallment works while asleep, but iirc it doesn't work and is just quality of life for the pre-sleep phase of use

>>2178801
>It's been too long since I ran it to remember definitively whether Forestallment works while asleep, but iirc it doesn't work and is just quality of life for the pre-sleep phase of use
I just tested, yeah, Forestallment doesn't work while asleep

>>2174007
Hmm, nyo.

If a character needs to cover a lot of ground quickly (like 3+ action points worth of movement), is it better to use dashing on every turn or move with one AP then use standby? Assuming they don't have Run, of course.

>>2178801
>>2178914
I remember accidentally leaving one of those sleep masteries on my rainbow dorori and getting mad when it suddenly fell asleep at the start of the mission.

>>2178992
It probably depends on how close to 36 AT turns they are.

>>2179069 (me)
But I will say my favorite thing to do when I need to go far and fast is to use Albus' Turning Over a New Leaf to dash twice in a row.

>>2178992
Anyway this question had me more curious so I really looked into it. Standby removes 25% of your AT if you've moved once. The yellow movement is 60% of your normal move distance. Let's say you have 13 movement and 60 AT. You can move 20 and have 60 AT turns or you can move 13 and have 36 AT turns. At 180 AT you've moved 60 tiles with Dashing and 65 tiles with Standby. If you have less than 60, then Dashing starts becoming better. Which you really should have less than 60.

>>2179087
But my dumb ass did the math wrong on the easiest thing for some reason. Bad form to do math when just waking up. 60 * 0.75 is 45. At 180 AT you only moved 13 tiles 4 times for 52 tiles total compared to Dashing moving 20 tiles 3 times for 60 tiles total. It's at 49 AT that you hit the 36 cap. The totals there: 637 tiles moved at 1764 AT for Standby, 720 for dashing.
TL;DR dashing always moves you farther.

>>2179087
>>2179107
Ah thanks. For the most part I was dashing with my units but there were a few times when I was using standby because I thought it was faster, funny to know it was the opposite.
Thinking about it now Dandylion probably did make sure dashing was explicitly faster than using standby for covering long distances otherwise it wouldn't have much of a purpose other than convenience.

>>2179118
>Dandylion probably did make sure dashing was explicitly faster than using standby for covering long distances
Yeah, dashing is faster because it comes at the risk of running into an enemy ambush without having a chance to immediately react.
You should only do it if you already know what lies between point A and point B, are sure that your character can handle an ambush, or the situation is dire enough that you'd take the risk of losing a unit.

>>2179174
Instructions unclear, dashed Ray into an enemy group 3 times in a row to reset her cooldowns.

The game doesn't like me playing physical Albus.

>>2179553
I have a similar kind of suffering
>playing ESP Albus
>level 35 sword from the quest rewards rolled an ungodly amount of ESP accuracy
>can't bring myself to swap it out even for the stat boosts granted by endgame ESP swords
>ESP swords roll physical affixes
>physical swords roll ESP affixes
I just want an accuracy roll that makes me not want to kill myself for switching from this thing

>>2179560
I had no idea that weapon even existed. There's more work to be done for my ESP Albus, apparently. Shame farming the proper affix is such a pain in the ass.

Fuck it, that was the last time I'll see Ralph without grinding it out and I have like 20 things that would be better to grind before then so I'll probably be stuck with this thing a while longer.

>>2179573
Every once in a while I see endgame PVP teams using +9 Eluote so you're in good company

>>2179585
It's a damn good weapon, you can easily use it for the entire game and get your Attack from elsewhere. Once you have access to more of the Great Swordsman Masteries from Ryung Lee it's easier to hit 100% Block without it but it's a great crutch for hitting that benchmark until then. This playthrough has given Block lots of love.

>>2179590
>Once you have access to more of the Great Swordsman Masteries from Ryung Lee it's easier to hit 100% Block without it but it's a great crutch for hitting that benchmark until then
Its main endgame use is to hit 200%+ block so enemies with Breakthrough don't fuck you up

>>2179595
That sounds worth messing with. Great Swordsman gets overkill Block against melee which helps there. Even something like 150-160% is pretty good, that's still quite reliable.

Pretty funny how things have ended up like this.

>>2179682
Do you have Draki Nest unlocked? If you push slightly past the top-right yellow movement you'll unlock another violent case

>>2179683
Yeah, I'm still in this mission because I just want to unlock it. I would have given up a lot earlier but I really underestimated the final room.

>>2179685
I believe in you, anion!

>>2179682
>no attack protocols left on your kylie
>still have to kill the ice knight
grim

>>2179696
I had Reboot, but I still fucked it up anyway. I should have just hung back but I suicided Giselle thinking a Bleed would kill one of the bosses, then it didn't and Kylie solo couldn't do it. Then I learned that you have to beat the mission to get the unlock. Unfortunate.

>>2179703
>I should have just hung back but I suicided Giselle thinking a Bleed would kill one of the bosses, then it didn't and Kylie solo couldn't do it.
Yeah the grounded Draki bosses all have Molt, if they remember to use it.

>>2179720
Oh, that's real mean. I think it was his Rock Castle though, since Bleed is start of turn.

>>2179725
You're in the vanilla lategame now. The bullshit's gonna rise exponentially from here on

>>2179739
I appreciate how the game manages to keep things escalating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8deQL4Wsvo
New casual theme dropped.

>>2179720
I've been meaning to get me a draki knight/prince to use as a tank unit but I don't feel like going through the time and effort of leveling one. their abilities and masteries seem so nice

>>2179942
cute art
the change from urban fantasy to a more traditional fantasy setting (but still in modern times) still seems a bit weird to me but I'll have to see the actual maps and gameplay before I form a real opinion.

>>2179942
Aurora's 'Hero Irene' merch t-shirt and Claudia's dorky expression really bring the image together.
Claudia seemed like a cool beauty type in her original character draft; I'm glad that she seems to have more going for her.
>>2179962
>the change from urban fantasy to a more traditional fantasy setting (but still in modern times) still seems a bit weird to me but I'll have to see the actual maps and gameplay before I form a real opinion
I was thinking about this, and about 40-50% of Abandoned Children's story maps weren't strictly set in the city but instead took place in Forests, Swamps, slums, fields, ruins etc.
Like, almost every beast map has your team fighting in the open wilderness, in mountainous regions, on beaches or even in caves.
And since we already have confirmations of various factions that're living in small towns or villages, we'll probably get our fair share of non-rural maps as well. Pic related for example surely lives in modern resorts.

>>2180024
>can't have these guys be the party instead
fuck... sophia...

>>2180024
>Claudia seemed like a cool beauty type in her original character draft; I'm glad that she seems to have more going for her.
Claudia always seemed like to me that she was going to be more of a shy/reserved kinda girl, like a bookworm type, but I guess the cool beauty type would also fit with her, especially being a witch.

>I was thinking about this, and about 40-50% of Abandoned Children's story maps weren't strictly set in the city but instead took place in Forests, Swamps, slums, fields, ruins etc.
Those were (usually) some of my favorite maps but I think it was probably just the novelty. When most of the story and side missions have you fighting in streets, the more natural environments really changed things up a bit, especially having to play around bushes and water when there's not a lot of cover. But if those were the only map types in BC, I would probably get tired of those and wish I was cutting down white tigers in the streets again.

>And since we already have confirmations of various factions that're living in small towns or villages
Dandy is definitely going all in on the enemy variety which makes me really look forwards to the game. There's supposed to be like five more new beast types along with the ones that were in AC, then there are vikings, maybe evil witches, those modernized/industrialized tribes people, possibly spoonists(? though I think they might just be a neutral/third party faction most of the time), generic bandits, more machine enemies possibly, and the clowns are making a return but in proper military gear and not suits and clown masks.
And knowing how Dandy designed the DLC enemies, some of these enemy factions will be intentionally made to fuck over specific playstyles and builds.

>>2180035
They're obviously the bad guys, anon. Look at their red and black clothing and arrogant display of wealth. You're not rooting for them... right?

>>2180065
Seeing Gyro with hair was a bit "Yeah okay sure" when Dandy originally posted that image, but I was closely inspecting CGs recently and Sanson has a photo of the Drifter Clowns leaders that features (presumably) Gyro with hair in Abandoned Children

sex with frosthorn tribeswomen

>>2180078
>>2180065
Gyro looks like he aged 10 years inbetween games.

What qualifies as a "Heavily armed adversary" that isn't a machine for the application of armor penetration on certain items?

>>2180233
As far as I'm aware it's pretty much just VHPD units. Rather than jackets, coats or uniforms they wear "heavy armor".

>>2180257
Oh. that's a pretty small enemy pool then.
Though the armor pen items don't really struggle against other non-machine enemies and are pretty useful when machine enemies do show up so I guess I'll keep using them for now, at least until the legendaries I want finally drop.

Is there like an online build planner? Especially one for beasts/drones. Would be nice to know which unique masteries I should get in advance when evolving a beast or reinforcing a drone so I don't have to start over with a completely new one if I realized I needed more property limit or something.

>>2177946
hot

>>2180324
I don't think so. One thing that kinda helps is you can save build hashes into a notepad, but you need to have the base or build finished for that to be especially useful.

>>2180324
Claudia my wife is so beautiful.

I will have my revenge on these Drakis. Great Swordsman Albus kind of sucks against them, or at least my build does. I'd imagine a more player phase oriented Bleed one with Catharsis and somebody setting up Bleeds would do fine.

>>2180394
MK Albus probably isn't much better against drakis since they all have good resistance and can be wind elemental.
Greatsword Albus has more multi-hit which is great against draki's noble scale, and weapon blocking can get you a lot of turns with how many drakis there can be attacking him. Heixing and grenadier Ray also really fuck up drakis swarms with their huge physical aoe.

>>2180426
I think I had MK killing them even outside of Limit Break but I'd have to look at it again. He wrecks them in Limit Break. MK also has Magic Sword Veil to fare better against the ESP attacks, but anybody tanking Drakis for an extended period sucks because of all the status they inflict. It's fine to take a few but the real trouble is their unending swarms that diving into melee range exposes you to.

what's the best SP type for a yasha used to kill other yashas?
i'm thinking water but i feel like ice or earth could be useful as well.
rather than trying to clear all the webs in 47v, i want to try using them to my advantage

>>2180448
Water's guaranteed hit stuff should be great, I think the fixed stance stuff will be good too.

>>2180448
>>2180468
Yeah I'm going with water, has the best synergy with yashas as a whole.
I forgot to change my Giselle to my beast taming build before going out to tame this yasha but oh well
now the question is, Hidden Wilderness or Same Race Hatred? both will help a lot with fucking up other yashas

>>2180394
Bleed GS albus can kill half the map on his first turn its insane. You dont even need allies with bleed support.

>>2180527
Yeah, his Bleed builds are crazy strong. Allies just make it easier to work with. The Drakis don't give a shit about my Forestallment spam in a number of ways on the other hand.

>dashing Ray into a group blind like I usually do
>except this group had 5 reaction attacks that pasted her instantly

>>2180688
as fun as all the AT reduction masteries on grenadier Ray are, I find much stronger when she stays at range, especially with the range damage bonus she can get from Throwing High + Offensive Choice and she can still get a lot of Quick Reaction procs at range especially Positioning set

>>2180709
Yeah, I played Grenadier that way previously and Alchemist plays that way too so I'm trying out the other stuff more. It's really fun for positioning her for Cover/Pincer Move and it lets you dynamically adjust her position quickly, but it's certainly volatile. Technically you can always have 10 Chance to Win stacks too but I'm far too lazy to abuse that.

>>2180324
>Would be nice to know which unique masteries I should get in advance when evolving a beast or reinforcing a drone so I don't have to start over with a completely new one if I realized I needed more property limit or something.
You can click "Retraining" on a beast once it's over 80 loyalty and it'll let you turn all instinct and training masteries into whatever you want. There's an equivalent for drones as well.
Genetics masteries are more annoying to change - there's a machine in the level 60 violent case that lets you modify those.
A build planner sounds fun though, and probably not too hard to assemble.

Is it possible to beat the game without equipping any masteries?

>>2180749
Maybe on the lowest difficulty?

honestly such a bummer that the gene modding machine is in the LAST MISSION IN THE GAME
i loved pet autism and they finally give you a way to make perfect pets without rng and it's after you've finished the last bit of content the game has to offer
also 60V was boring but that's another matter

>>2180753
Maybe the item was supposed to be a quality of life thing for PVP purposes

>>2180749
Maybe the base game, but certainly not the DLCs. You'd have absolutely no way to deal with white clowns.

>>2180749
yeah i beat the game on cruel + challenge mode always on + all modifiers on with no items or masteries + no drones or tames and i never lost a single unit, this includes all violent cases
it's pretty easy once you figure out some of the mechanics and do the things and stuff

>>2180763
Misty posting on /vst/

>>2180753
>mfw Im a white woman and there is a unfucked dog in front of me

>>2180774
she looks too angry at the dog for that to be the case

Time to eat shit in 46V.

>>2180781
I knew this would happen.

>>2180815
ESP!
That affix isn't actually that bad for a general-purpose sword though, especially if it's otherwise an upgrade to whatever you're using. Accuracy is one of the best stats to have on weapons.

>>2180818
It's a decent option for an MK Albus, I just want to play GS.

>>2180820
Depending on what weapon you're replacing, I'd still use it. 8% accuracy is nice and the Sword of Grace has pretty good base stats regardless of affix. Even if you have a godly crit sword, GS has tons of crit damage itself and Albus has wind SP for even more crit damage, so the amount on your weapons isn't that important.

>>2180078
i though that was Ned / Skull in the photo
>>2180109
he's just like me...

>>2180324
there's not even a proper wiki or up-to-date mastery/set guide
game too fun to bother writing documentation :DD

YAMERO

>>2180852
I don't know what to say.

>>2180911
There are 11 different affixes that can roll on legendary swords
80 weight with ESP (higher weight = more common)
>Destroyer
>Supreme
>Ruler
80 weight without ESP
>Slaughterer
>Swordmaster
>Assassin
70 weight with ESP
>Archmage
>Emperor
70 weight without ESP
>Rapid
>Limitless
>Peak
But you're really not missing that much just by going with an ESP affix. An absolute max roll Swordmaster affix is only +10% slashing accuracy and +30 attack power compared to a Ruler's like >>2180815

>>2180935
It's the principle of the matter. You're not wrong that it's not a big difference though. I'm just gonna use my Eluote forever. I'm over it, this build is clean anyway.

>>2180753
>also 60V was boring but that's another matter
I quite liked it, it's one of the only cases that combines a human enemy faction with the sheer autism of min-maxed beast opponents. All of the beasts have new, unique combinations of SP types since they're genetically modified mutants, and you have the option to take them on one by one or let hell loose and enter a battle royale.

I'm a convert. This build is really fun. I like it a lot better than aura and counterbot Leton. Maybe with some later Ice Masteries you can make it work better there but I feel like Superstar has better stuff to support Leton running around and freezing annoying things. Really satisfying to freeze a beefy target and then watch it explode to Fire Support, and the Dance minigame is pretty fun, though I've mostly just gotten free turns out of it so far.

>>2180989
Superstar is the most underappreciated class in the game and a lot of people even in this very thread will tell you it's underpowered or even shit. Every single one of them is wrong because they don't understand it.

>>2180941
>ran my Albus into the Skull squad in 46V
>he tanked them all out of Fire Supports like a champ, even through some crits
Something I didn't appreciate about having so much more HP on him than usual is that the threshold where Second Wind activates is much higher, meaning even when he does dip into dangerous territory, he usually heals back up enough to even tank a hit. I see what the other anon is saying about stacking even more Block, though, I assume they have Breakthrough and if they couldn't crit me at all he'd be unstoppable. Bleed immunity might fuck them over too, I haven't looked at their sets.
>>2181005
Damn, looks like I haven't even gotten close to this classes final form. Can't wait to unlock more stuff for it. It definitely takes some finagling to get the Dancer stuff working but even if you're not taking advantage of that, the class gives him a lot of stats, particularly Speed and offensive reliability, to make his debuff role feel a lot better.

>>2181008
Another Leton protip is that his ice masteries work with ice grenades so you can throw out unavoidable AOE freezes.

>>2181020
That sounds insanely overpowered. Though I guess the consumables are always limited by only being able to throw a few of them per map.

>>2181022
The devs have some very enlightened views on the subject of "overpowered".
tldr: overpowered things are fun, what matters is that they're not introduced too early so that you still get meaningful progression as you play the game

When should you start +9ing your gear? Seems like to me the start of DLC1 is when it's best to start +9ing weapons and the start of DLC2 is when you should start +9ing your armor unless you're using a low level legendary, then it's worth it to start upgrading it when you get it.
Anytime before that, seems like you get better equipment often enough that upgrading can be a waste.
Also with armor/resistance, because you get diminishing returns by stacking it, should probably be upgraded last unless a few percentage points of damage reduction is going to make that much of a difference.

>>2180989
>>2181005
Freeze is just straight up the strongest debuff in the entire game and so any build that can consistently apply it automatically becomes useful, if not good. I think the reason why MA Leton is preferred over SS is just because there's a lot to keep track of with SS between performance stacks and frozen blood, it's a lot easier to just ungabunga with MA and not worry about any of that.

>>2181074
I think you have the right of it. If it doesn't take Black Iron, it's pretty easy to upgrade. There's always opportunity cost on anything you upgrade, you'll be paying for it in some way later, so the more you do the more burdensome it is and it can get in the way of crafting upgrades. So I usually don't upgrade anything unless I expect to be using it all the way to the end of the game, which isn't much. Some of the swords for Albus can be a good example, Dunames Sniper Rifle IBL for Giselle is another one that as soon as I get a good one I'll slam it. I guess around the end of the base game is when I start considering it since that's when you get endgame worthy gear.

>>2181076
>If it doesn't take Black Iron, it's pretty easy to upgrade.
I was misremembering here, I thought the upgrades went up to Black Iron but they don't. Stuff from 20-35 mostly takes Rare and Epic Primal stuff which is quite a bit cheaper, and there's some really good low level craftable gear if you look like Indigo Cyrus Sneakers that you can use practically forever too. Everything after that is really expensive to upgrade.

>>2181074
I don't consider +9s part of normal progression myself, more like a way of keeping extremely low level but useful items relevant. Those level 15 boots with a godly accuracy roll that you're still using at level 50. That bangle that you just can't find an upgrade to. Leton's default uniform with its insane dodge bonus but fuck all armour. Those are the kinds of things I upgrade, usually towards the end of the base game or start of DLC1. Armour does have diminishing returns, but the difference between having 650 armour and having 1350 armour is very easy to feel.

>>2181089
Yeah, 500 to 1000 Armor is like 20% damage reduction which is pretty substantial, it has good returns if you invest a bit into it. Speaking of Armor, I never looked at Rock Castle's set giving a 999 Armor buff if you activate Rock Castle. Shit is crazy.

>>2181058
There's always some stupidly strong enemy that'll fuck you up anyway. I just spent 20 turns fighting the Yasha Monarch with 3 people. That thing is absurdly strong, but you can always retreat if your rolls go bad and try again if you mind your AT. Stuff like that is what I love about this game, they're great about letting you play around stuff. A lot of the overpowered things are also conditional or rely on flipping a lot of levers in building, which is very rewarding when the pieces come together.

>>2181097
I wrote a little love2d program ages ago that lets me simulate damage for given levels and armour values.

>>2181074
>When should you start +9ing your gear?
On my experience, never. Maybe for PvP if you're into it.

>>2180840
>there's not even a proper wiki
I was looking at the fandom (ugh) wiki out of curiosity and there's some blatantly wrong statements on Albus's page. but the wiki was probably made by an ESL and it's obviously maintained by purely volunteer work so it's a bit rude to expect it to be perfect especially for such a niche game.
However this is really the type of game that benefits from a good wiki, especially when there are tons of interactions like in >>2174672 that could need clarification, I could see people coming up with lots of new builds once every interaction is properly explained.

Though if everything does get documented then I'll miss the kinda arcane aspect of making builds, like discovering some new interaction yourself or building around mechanics you don't fully understand and not knowing if your build would even work. The poor game translation really helps give everything some sort of obscure esoteric tome vibe like your following ancient alchemical texts in hopes of making some powerful concoction but you have no idea what it means by certain terms you can't find anywhere else so you just wing it and experiment and sometimes it fails while othertimes you come up with the elixir of life.

>>2181222
It probably hasn't been updated in many years as well. The page on Vendetta still thinks they're a smuggling clan with the single reference being to Dandy's moddb page posted in 2016.

Look at them cower in a corner at our boy running a train on their entire squad.

Leton sure makes life easy.

>>2181310
The UI doesn't show it, but you get guaranteed headshots on frozen targets too. Same with stunned/sleeping ones.

>>2181325
Sick. I guess I never noticed because anything stunned like that always gets instantly annihilated.

>I don't have a specific role because I'm not good enough.
dummy irene, you are the one character that has a single obvious role

>>2181352
She is just a bit slow, be patient.

>>2181352
Her role is to get sent to 150 ap doing anything and then being useless

>>2181488
Let me guess, you need more? More seriously, it's really irritating how weak this Mastery is and it doesn't even have a nice set to boost it either. I find the Martial Artist synergies really lacking. It really does seem like Deep Sea Escape is one of the few options the class has to get around suppression.

I don't use DSE or any AT reduction on Irene, I just let her die and use flames of vengeance phoenix revive to get her a second turn in combat. Maybe if she's lucky she'll survive after that and can run away and spam standby until she can use phoenix again.

>>2181498
>>2181510
A pretty large potion of people in PVP run her with Lunatic Beast and/or a Berserker Seal to keep her from getting AT'd.

>>2181510
That works. Martial Artist especially does its job on enemy phase fine when it's bogged down in a protracted battle, and Battle Mage can at least be walking cover, so you can get some kills until she eats it.
>>2181520
Ah yeah, that Berserker seal does seem really nice for Counterattack builds, I wish it was earlier. Lunatic Beast is a pretty good option too. There's Hideout shenanigans with Ready to Go but that's kinda finnicky, you expect her to be in melee range so it's hard to get a lot of value out of it.

There's also always Kylie's get out of jail free card, though it jails her unless you're Hacker.

I wanted to make an Irene build focused around Run and Fire Wheel Carriage ability in hopes that it would be fun and might mitigate her turn issue, but I have no idea where to start, even what class to use.
Obviously AMYOT is necessary and Swift Footwork + Shukuchi would really benefit this build, plus cauterize is always nice to have but there's still so many different directions to take the build that I have choice paralysis.
Maybe OSOK and make it into a hit-and-run or chain kill sorta build? Would work well with pyromaniac too since fire wheel is a multi-hit that can be make to always inflict fire. Or just build the rest of it into normal martial artist. I don't have Call of Fire yet though so I can't really do a blunt-focused or complete fire mastery centric build.

I also wanted to make a meme build focused around Somersault since I like fire mages throwing fireballs at people but obviously that would have limited efficacy and there are monster tames that can fulfill the role of a fire mage better. Maybe there's some funny synergy with Call of Fire blunt Somersaults and Martial Artist masteries.

>>2181581
Shukuchi has good commonality with Martial Artist Masteries, specifically Street Fighter, Solitary Fighter and Wandering Brawler. Those sets really lean into letting her wreck house solo, the AT reduction helps a lot. Build related.

>Call of Fire Blunt Somersaults
Coincidentally I was looking into this just now and for some reason it turns Somersault into Piercing. Extinguish does convert the rest into Blunt. Where it gets confusing is they're still considered Fire skills for the purpose of the Mastery board, but there's surprisingly little Blunt or Physical specific components available anyway, Connected Energy would be lovely, Bruise would be kinda cool. Everything else in MA's kit works on her Fire stuff to begin with. It'd actually be worse if you lost the Fire board. I really want to make it work but I'm struggling to see a reason to do it, especially as MA you can easily afford to run Breath so getting cooldowned isn't an issue. You can hit a Firecron really hard.

>>2181581
Somersault can do pretty good damage and it's by far her longest range attack, but it's her only pure ESP scaling attack so if you don't want to use bangles on her you're out of luck
>Maybe OSOK and make it into a hit-and-run or chain kill sorta build?
It's really overpowered for that. You can pair it with Flames of Vengeance so that if you kill them 1 in hit you get One Shot One Kill, and if you kill them on the second hit you get Flames of Vengeance. Pyromaniac handles cooldowns as long as you keep critting.
The one downside to that build (which is extremely fun by the way) is that Fire Wheel Carriage has a very large cast delay that's a pain in the ass to reduce by any appreciable amount, so when you eventually stop killing units you'll have massive AT to wait before you go again.

One thing Call of Fire could do is convert her normal attack into Fire. But there's nothing that grants it Burn itself. If you want Irene to dish out counterburns with Forestallment or Counterattack, she already does that with the Flame Bolt set. I got nothing.

>>2181603
I've used it to convert the normal attack into Fire to trigger Fanatic Pyromaniac after being cooldown'd to fuck in the lategame. You can trigger all the overwatches while your kick is still blunt, then convert to fire just before you hit them.
Otherwise the main draw of converting skills is to turn your other skills physical so they can crit against destrons with ESP Neutralizing Armour.

>>2181592
>it turns Somersault into Piercing
wtf
I guess maybe because it's a shooting attack type, if it was throwing/fall maybe it would be considered blunt? Though all the other call ability descriptions say that turn their elemental damage into blunt. Maybe another inaccurate description on Dandy's part, or a bug. That sucks though, since Irene doesn't have access to anything that can buff piercing specifically.

>>2181598
Somersault kinda sucks since building around it doesn't synergize with the rest of her kit (other than fire damage), which is why I considered it a meme build. I think it exists only so there's some additional range in the early game before the dedicated ranged characters join. It does decent damage for no cooldown but can't be spammed because of Irene's speed issues, compare that to Bianca's finger guns which has similar damage scaling but longer range and less AT and benefits from shit like blood wind, or Sion's thunderbolt which does over 700 damage without any scaling.
>so when you eventually stop killing units you'll have massive AT to wait before you go again.
Not a problem if she kills enough units, everyone else can just clean up the ones that remain. Better than killing one unit with a single turn then not getting another one until 300 AT has passed.

>>2181630
>Sion's thunderbolt which does over 700 damage without any scaling.
I forgot I had Trained Attack on his mastery board, lol
His thunderbolt only does 175 base with 75% scaling, Irene's somersault is actually a straight upgrade after getting enough ESP power.

>>2181612
Yeah, I know I've used Call of Wind on Albus to knock people back with Wind Hammer. So it's weird what is and isn't considered a Fire or Wind attack ability. You can hover over the attack with the buff active and see that certain elemental Masteries don't boost it, though. It does reflect the change in damage type appropriately. Conversion shit is usually weird in games and the Call skills are no exception.

>>2181630
Doing tons of long-range fire damage is a good enough niche imo. You can build things like Offensive Choice on her (leading into Practical Martial Arts), Posture Breakdown works with it, all the fire masteries work beautifully with it. Stacks up Armor Disabling if you go that path. It's got a lot going for it. Then you have Battlemage that just rapes with it.

Ray can apply Burn for you as an Alchemist, though she's not that great at it since she doesn't have a nice Fire AOE skill and her normal attack doesn't make that much fire. Pets can do so as well. Flamethrower drone can apply a shitload of burn and make a lot of fire tiles for easy The Joy of Burning set-ups. Irene just needs Burns to sweep.

Done it, first try (on my second playthrough)!

Damn didn't even notice Bianca carrying this hard, although she'd have died quickly if Alisa hadn't served as a meatshield.
I didn't even need to camp on a rooftop. Did they reduce the total amount of enemies, perhaps? I remember this being way harder.

Haha...

>>2181727
That mission usually gives me a hard time.

>>2181722
>>2181727
spirit alisa is really good there because of all the mental buffs that mission gives
it's also really fun for chainkilling or making the most use out of blood wind AT reduction

>>2181727
It's one of the faster and easier missions when you know what you're doing, and is a decent place to test out builds for the two.

>>2181758
I have a decent WK Alisa build that receives AT boni from reaction attacks, and the mission has few ranged units so it was quite easy to stay out of danger as long as I protected Bianca who served as a nuke from the backrow.
>>2181771
My current Bianca build has Golden Feather equipped and 3 turns of Overcharge, so she can essentially nuke her opponents with uber crit damage at all times.

>>2181776
I was wondering how you had two kills less than me, but you probably just didn't wait for Jeff to summon his beasts.

>>2181830
Probably. that screenshot is ancient, so I'm not sure. Alisa just kills things on autopilot.

I find Leton's role in the story quite funny. They're immediately suspect of this turncoat and turns out they should be.

>>2181900
I bet we'll meet him again in Banished Children as an opponent, given that he's a government agent working directly under Lily and Yuri is an Orichalkum rank wanted man.
Leton's story is only just beginning.

>>2181916
Being an Ice ESP sure does suck. The story implies how it started with Lily supplying him the stuff to make Antifreeze Fluid as a kid. None of them deserve Heixing and Ray.

>>2181922
>None of them deserve Heixing and Ray
Trust in their redemption.

>>2181926
I have less against Carter, I think. It's understandable for their relationship to be so antagonistic. There's a lot of angst on both sides, and ultimately they just have differences of opinion on how to change the world. Leton is a two-faced backstabber, his bad circumstances notwithstanding.

>>2181933
He's such a <cool> guy though.

>>2181954
>commits crimes in front of somebody
>later claims to not have committed any crimes
He's not even hiding it. Meanwhile Albus does a cursory investigation then shrugs and says he does good work for cheap.

fuuuuuck I hate how in the final mission of chapter 7, the VHPD guys aren't under your control and they hog all the best cover spots so your squishy ranged characters (which are so conveniently separated from your tanky frontliners :D) are left scrambling for the shittiest cover spots while the horde of clowns, robots, and dusk rangers approach.
Dandy really knew how to screw you over in DLC1 by just not putting your party members in good starting positions.

>>2181900
Once a glowie, always a glowie.

>>2181922
>>2181926
Heixing is one of my favorite characters with how much he's suffered but remains as a genuinely caring person, though it's funny how much of a villain he seems like early on.

>>2181933
>Leton is a two-faced backstabber, his bad circumstances notwithstanding.
It's easier to be sympathetic towards him when you consider that he was essentially groomed into becoming a government agent. Had he never met Lily he would probably genuinely stick with the one of other Alleys, assuming frozen blood didn't kill him. Though I'm not sure if diehard spoonist Leton would be much of an improvement over who he currently is.

>>2182008
>the entire game is about abandoned children the government groomed into doing its dirty work
>Irene just wants to do that
>Anne just wants to be with her lover

>>2181978
One look at Heixing was all I needed to know he would be a bro of the highest caliber.

>>2182024
This is a Korean game. Anne and Luna are just friends. If they do get love interests it will be their older male partners that are raising and grooming them, in Annes case Heixing in Lunas case Marco. I sincerely doubt we'll ever see romance of any kind in this game though given certain developer comments.

>>2182041
>If they do get love interests
you'll need to wait at least 400 episodes for at best handholding.
If you came like me from korean dramas you think troubleshooter is like speedrunning.

I get that Anne is pretty immature but it seems weird for her to be obsessing so hard over Luna when she seems to already have plenty of friends her age. Kinda selfish infact, she should keep hanging out with her old friends.
She didn't even know that Luna was an assassin child until after she joined Albus's company so it's not like she was looking for someone her age that would also understand what it's like to work in a violent profession. If guess if you consider Albus and Anne getting downed in the graveyard ambush to be the canon outcome of that mission, then it sorta makes sense but even then Anne didn't know what actually happened there.
She really hung out with that girl for one day and decided trying to "save" Luna would be her life's goal.

>>2182041
>in Lunas case Marco
I dunno why but I always got gay vibes from Marco even if the devs said sex, romance, and queer stuff isn't in the game. I guess it's just the way he dresses and carries himself, especially that scarf thing around his neck. little zesty faggot villainous assassin.

>>2182065
>A 12 year old girl is fixated and obsessive on one friend in particularly.
I really see nothing strange here. My sis was like that when she was younger i think it's a common issue.
If any i'll ship anne with heixing till the end of my life.

>>2182041
I don't buy it. Love at first sight is the only explanation.

dandy making ray naturally tan was a missed opportunity. the girl who is obsessed with sprays, cans, and spray cans would also obviously be obsessed with spray tans.

>>2182080
Yeah but that shit gives you cancer. Ray is a street savy girl and she knows what to not use.

>>2182082
>Yeah but that shit gives you cancer. Ray is a street savy girl and she knows what to not use.
I don't think breathing in spray paint fumes all the time is any healthier

>>2182083
You can risk only ONE cancer. Not two.

There's no way Giselle and Jane didn't date.

>>2182097
They groomed albus and used him as a dildo whenever their dogs couldnt put out

>>2182097
>police officer
>alcoholic
>lesbians
imagine the sheer levels of domestic abuse
i bet giselle kept her hunter's seal on so she could avoid the first of her daily beatings from jane
and jane got so good at dodging and blocking attacks from when it was giselle's turn to beat her

>>2182115
Imagine the sex after the beatings.

>>2182024
>One look at Heixing was all I needed to know he would be a bro of the highest caliber.
I thought he'd be a standoffish too-cool-for-you edgelord, not the best character in the whole game who actually makes sense to ship with the loli

>>2181581
>tfw no recruitable Hellfire
there's some set, Wind Road maybe, that gives you acceleration / AT -10 for dashing, maybe you could meme around that and Wandering Brawler a bit

>>2182348
That's a Wind set

>>2182348
>>2182350 (me)
Oh I see, you were thinking of Air Walk

>>2182353
That's actually a really good set, but it's hard to implement into a build since class masteries are so much better than QoL sets like this

>>2182355
I've used that one on White Mage Anne a few times because she uses most of the Masteries for other sets.

>>2182355
People overrate most class sets. I've never ran Air Walk myself, but most of the time someone with 3 or 4 class sets and the rest commons will outperform someone who just stuffs their board full of class masteries because it results in a more specialised build.
For example this is one of my most powerful Letons that I hear is an absolute nightmare when people roll against my team in EU joint drills.

>>2182366
>looks at my White Knight shoved with all the class's sets because it's easy to fill your entire board with it
I remember when I built this a long time ago that I pared it down quite a bit and had more common stuff in it but I'll have to feel out what I want again.

>>2182374
This is my own White Knight on that file. It's a bit of a meme though.

>>2182386
>This is my own White Knight on that file
Oops, not the same file. It's on NA. I ran into my own first file on my second NA file recently, which was pretty funny to see exactly how my units feel to fight.
That WK is intensely annoying to damage with physical attacks.

>>2182353
derp, yes, that's the one
one of those random Common sets that never seems to fit on a build
one of these years, Revolutionist memebuild...

>>2182483
Revolutionist/Conqueror work pretty well on a Martial Artist or Battle Mage tank.

What's the deal with this lady?
I couldn't find her in any of the tweets or posts from Dandylion about BC other than this OST reveal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqFE0gW9tZo
Is she part of the witch coven? She seems like she could be a villain maybe. The only thing that art shows is that she's probably a fire ESP.
I want to know because her design makes my dick hard. sweater puppies + exposed pits sexo

>>2182550
I hope she's on our team. I want a fire mage and her music is nice. I want giant flame explosions that make fire everywhere.

>>2182550
I suspect she might be related to Aurora. They look pretty similar.

>>2182559
Yeah that'd be cool to have an actual fire caster. One of the things I'm sort of disappointed about in the new roster is that Hannah is another hybrid fire user like Irene. As far as masteries go she'll be pretty different because she apparently has access to Barbarian. but she's still going to have a very melee-heavy brawler style. I'd like a fire version of Bianca who plays completely different.

>freezes everybody
>gives enemies huge AOE stat reductions while doing it, so even the unfrozen ones are easy to kill
That was my first time landing a good Contraction and it felt really nice. Cool when the colors line up.

>>2182550
Pitchads winning bigly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0q1SqOMYXE
This video is so surreal, wtf
it's like looking into an alternate reality.
I didn't know they had that much of the game made back in 2017

>>2182700
some of the old versions of character portraits and models are so uncanny to look at after playing with the current ones for so long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cV00E9Idtw
the way the camera zooms into the mission control board here is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a7SELCMtYo
they also had a model and animations for chris all the way back in 2016 even though he like doesn't really show up at all in the game

wonder why dandy changed so much of the setting and which characters were playable and not, it seems like they had a lot of it planned out judging by their old development blog

>>2182709
Originally it was going to be a multiplayer battle game with singleplayer tutorial missions, so the plot was more or less "Everyone's fucking fighting". Whenever they made the switch in direction to become singleplayer focused they probably had to rewrite the setting to make more sense for that.
I'd guess the characters they chose as party members were the most developed ones so they didn't have to throw out as much work. A lot of the characters they show in those videos don't even have idle poses in-game, or they're like the Chaos Brush girls who have no skills besides the basic spray throw that they get from the item.

>>2182700
for me it's the VHPD RPG unit
and Ray lifting up a suppressor's visor to pepper spray him in the face

He sure is spry and lifting a big fucking sword for being a septuagenarian.

Anne

>>2183552
she's like a disney princess

>>2183309
He's enough of a badass that he's an Ater Empire knight who received honours from the Emperor despite not having ESP.

That's a pretty nice set for a Fire Support spammer.

>>2183780
If you had that + Base Defence + Hide Yourself Well you can fully refund the AT as long as you're up high, and unlike Blood Thirst it'll work against machines.

>>2183802
Would also be fun with the Optimism Spirit set that improves the AT refund on missing. Though I've yet to find that so I'm guessing it's somewhere in DLC2 unfortunately.

>>2183805
Yeah it's a DLC2 set originally from 60V.
You can cheese it early though. Dandy forgot or didn't care to lock a couple of the DLC2 joint drill teams behind the DLC, and one of the units on the poacher team has the full set equipped. Whether you consider that cheating or not is up to you.

>>2183806
I'm actually doing various Joint Drill grinding right now for some more annoying to get masteries and I happen to be fighting them, though I'm hunting Burning Plains from one of the Hunter's monsters. I think it doesn't matter much, but even Joint Drill is quite late. It's understandable though, when I played with all the masteries unlocked from the beginning, using endgame sets like that makes it so the enemies can't really compete. I think I'll mess with them a bit again anyway since the enemies are mostly at that point already.

>>2183810 (me)
That said, I think Dandy did account for it a bit, only Jim and Bomy show up and I don't think either of them have it. That's also the case on my original file but apparently I never did 60V so it might be tied to that. I think it's similar with The Drifter Clowns, you can meet Hanson early but Ben doesn't show up until you've cleared the case with him, and I know Pascal and the Tri-Stars aren't available on my current file at the moment.

>>2183810
>>2183831
I misremembered the team, it's from the Red Mining District gangsters. The joint drill version of Bouncy has all the 60V Spirit masteries.

>>2183843
Sick, thanks.

>>2183810
Hang on, are you spamming joint drills on the NA server right now? I just talked to someone who was setting up joint drills who remarked the mastery grind is endless, and their team is like level 50.

>>2183848
Yeah, that was me.

>>2183849
Ebin

>>2183851
My file being PvP ready is probably still a ways away and I might burn out before then, but it's something I'll get done eventually.

ESP!

>>2183624
She IS a princess!
I wish i could groom her.

Anyone know where Unstable Air is?

>>2183937
The magic knight in 60V, Gregori I think

>>2183940
Much obliged, that's the last elemental Mastery I needed to find.

Superstar is good, man.

She is the only thing i want in my life. She is so perfect, every time i feel bad or sad i watch her potraits and my entire being is refreshed and calmer.

>>2183902
Pissty

>>2184010
Luna, please.

They're white.

Running the map again with a slightly different Ninja build, trying to make it kickass, and I never realised how powerful the masteries that increase uses of Ninjutsu are for her Six Path Samsara personal skill, since that's a Ninjutsu too. You get 3 full reloads of all your nin nin skills and reset all cooldowns including Hide

>>2184100
I wish. You have no idea how much i wish.

>>2184205
Of course they are anne is pure.

Here's the Ninja setup I've settled on for now. It's pretty much just Wet-related stuff, but I also threw in Pack Maneuver and Joint Tactics to try to manage her AT a bit better. She's still using her Crimson Crow +3 that she comes with, and I've given her a Hellfire Seal for some more ESP, but her damage doesn't really need that. Definitely a build for working with the rest of the team rather than off doing her own thing, but I was pretty happy with how it performed until I mispositioned and a swordsman Mungo whacked her for 5700.

And the results of the test run

>>2184248
>>2184323
>>2184326
Neat seeing someone else try ESP misty. Her samsara setup is fun but you really want ninja toolbox so she can run golden feather as an extra SP use. Since samsara lets her use any of her 3 SP abilities you can drop fat nukes on enemies with her wave skill and then use her Shadow Ninjitsu for a 2nd life or to hide.

>>2184346
If I swapped the Crimson Crow dagger for an ESP dagger I could switch the Hellfire Seal for the feather, but I like what the CC does for my cooldowns. With that board I can potentially throw out Water Release every turn if the water cooldown masteries favour me.

How useful is field effect immunity, really?
Obviously it helps in certain maps but it seems like the most common field effect debuffs can be mitigated with just having good stats, like just having higher speed/movement/dodge/block. The really cancerous ones are limited to just a few maps and if you're aware they're coming, you can avoid them. Ranged characters can also avoid having to go through field effects.
Seems like the main use for it is if want to run spider web or gas cloud masteries and abilities on your team but don't want to screw over your own units. Or if you have someone using berserker and can't really control where they go.

>>2184440
>lets you start in still stance on water/web/swamp/ice tiles and negates their movement/dodge penalty
>no speed/movement penalty from passing through ice fog
>safety from Sion's lightning terrain if you're using his flash beam (important to some builds because the end turn damage from electric shock will knock you out of hide/camouflage/overwatch)
>immunity to poison clouds, which some lategame violent cases are very nasty about
Like most things in this game you can go without it, but it's really nice for specific builds or just generally not wanting to kill yourself in high level violent cases

>>2184248
Yeah, I consider Samsara basically mandatory on an ESP Misty because you run out of Water Release way too fast otherwise.

>>2184440
Jeff's shoes have bad stats which I dislike. No useful substats and level 35 so mediocre Armor value. I do agree if you're running something like Heixing's Poison Bullet set or extensively using Ray's ESP AOEs that you can get a lot more value out of it, but field effects are usually something you can play around. It's still always nice to have since it increases your options. Does Poison Gas still give you Smokescreen? That'd be kinda cool.

>>2184440
it's breddy gud QoL, and probably the reason why people default to ranger Heixing

does this game have voice acting
ive literally never seen a clip posted here with sound

>>2184809
Yes. People speak during combat. But that's about it, I think.

>>2184809
TOBIDA!!!

>>2184814
I like that one yell Albus does when he's doing his burst. Sounds something like TO ME NA MU!

>>2184809
BINGO!

>>2184346
>golden feather
Come to think of it, I bet this is fantastic on Kylie. I was thinking you just have to extend the duration of her Overcharge and increase her SP generation to use Administrator Protocol then Enhanced Attack Protocol, but just using a tool is a lot easier. Just the only sad part is she benefits so much from a Hellfire Seal or White Tiger's Mark.

>>2184811
i shall keep this in mind as i think about buying your game from time to time

>out of Draki Hearts again
Back to the Nest. It won't be the last time.

>>2184830
Just buy them?

>>2184834
Then I wouldn't be able to afford buying thousands of Chipped Primal Flame at a moment's notice.

>>2184809
ICE SPEAR!

>>2184836
True, True...

>>2184809
as another anon said, they all have voice quips during combat, when getting attacked or using abilities. some of them are pretty entertaining, like when kylie says she's glad the enemy isn't on their side if they miss an attack on her.
the voices lines are mostly in korean though, with some engrish one.

>>2184783
a couple of the set boots have better stats, but set items can't roll modifiers so they might not be a good fit in most builds. and it's mostly ranged characters who use boots anyways so you can avoid field effects with them.

>>2184851
Crabmit Boots are actually pretty damn good too, they provide a ton of bulk. No Speed or Block/Dodge but if you can get it elsewhere they're a great option. My Anne is still using Cleaning Agent's Boots, since those have 15 Speed and +2 Move Distance base, those have bad bulk but otherwise amazing features, just annoying to get. Indigo Draki Boots are notable for their 9% Block, Boots can't roll a Block affix so this can be handy for some builds.

>>2184851
Those Set boots are pretty good. Especially the Master Machine Craftsman. Master Craftsman Vivi has vastly more firepower than V6. The set bonus is free stats and one AP drone summon is good too. I haven't used Ray's.

I feel like boots kinda suck compared to sneakers but maybe that's just me. Seems like the non-defensive stat boots give is extra vigor and the characters that wear boots either don't have much vigor issues, or have reasons to keep a smaller vigor pool. Sneakers generally have more useful stats even though they're for melee characters specifically.
Shoe shoes are obviously intended for gunners specifically and they work well enough on them that I can't really complain about using them.

>>2184866
Yeah Kylie's set is incredibly useful on her regardless of class (even though it's engineer-oriented) and one of the few specific character sets where the full 5/5 is worth it. Extra protocol abilities is always nice.

Spoonfeed me a witch anne build
Its the only class I have yet to run

>>2184875
you just want to stack vigor as high as possible and ignore everything else

>>2184873
What I dislike about Boots is they can't roll a defensive affix. Sneakers have Indigo Cyrus Sneakers which are incredible with 15 Speed/1 Move/4% Block/Dodge plus they get Twilight/Dark Chaser instead of Collector for an extra 10% Dodge on the affix. The closest thing Boots has is Cleaning Agent Boots but those are Legendary so they're hard to get.

>>2184875
There's definitely stuff to tweak since this is all the way from my first file but something like that, you definitely want Archwitch and Magic Research Student, Gold Wing Charm is probably overkill and you should likely use a Master Gemscrafter instead and either drop Golden Leather 3 set or replace the Skull Coat or Black Iron Flash Boots. Also the Verdure and Stone Throwing stuff is cute but with some work you can probably fit in Improved Magic Shield so she can actually take some hits. This is just one way to do it, you can also opt for sets like Distorted Heart, Witch of Envy and Witch of Avarice and have her specialize in dealing with buffed enemies as well as spread AIDS when stuff hits her but it's really hard to get a Witch tanking much.

>>2184875
>Rock Castle
>Defensive Choice
>Improved Magic Shield
>Mutant
>all the Curse and Distorted Heart adjacent Witch masteries you can fit
>stand in frostbite clouds or Heixing braps to intentionally give yourself aids

>>2184809
QUICK SHAVING!!!

>>2184875
She has access to elementalist masteries so you can just build her like any other mage.

>>2184906
I had exactly this idea after making my last post on it being hard to make a Witch tank much. I'm going to build it right after this mission. I think you can probably get away without Defensive Choice, should be able to get 100% Block without it.

Up to 2300 Armor. But 100% Block was really optimistic. Defensive Choice would be great but it only works in Limit Break. This is level 50 so there's plenty to fill it out later, but it's still at a bit of a crossroads here, you can cut Magic Variety, Sage, and Magic Theory to give up any offensive capabilities and try to fill the rest with stuff that improves the bulk, one thing it would do right now with more levels is likely grab Sand Castle. Maybe at 55 the Big Mud set can be good, it's a lot of HP and has good Armor as well. It hits 2300 Armor if you can take the first hit, with upgrades you'd get a few hundred more, but I dunno, I'll have to play around with it.

She's a keeper.

i love how hard they worked on this and how long they supported it post launch

>>2185005
It's one of my favorite games ever.

>>2185005
It really is refreshing in an era of made-for-streaming cash grabs and corposlop. And to top it off, they undercharged for the base game and had to be bullied into charging for the DLC. They really have passion for what they do.

Feels good. I've been holding out but I looked at upgrades and I have way more of this stuff than I need. That hardly stems the tide for Flame but Flash and Frost are good for a long time.

>>2184965
Works alright. I think she got hit for about 450 with no crit or block, but the build has a lot of development to go in gear and board. You can get crit damage reduction from Furious Sandstorm. Draki's Perfect Scale would work too, but you're reliant on buff roulette to hit stuff then. Fine if you opt to not care about her damage.

>>2184996
daddy's girl

>>2184875
This is one of my endgame ones. It uses the Earth Negoori set and Awaken to sit at max SP. With Goddess of Abundance and 450 SP she gets +225% block from it and removes that much from enemies via Stone Throwing. Only downsides are that it's kind of slow and it's vulnerable to silence, but this team uses a support Alchemist Ray to cure debuffs.

>>2184875
Here's a more standard Anne witch that I'm using on my current file. Shares the sluggishness with the Earth one, but is a lot more accurate. Still does quite a lot of damage.

>>2184878
>stack vigor as high as possible on Witch
>accuracy goes to -170%
>put Argonaut (ft Luck) on + Goddess of Fortune
>effective accuracy becomes 14% on arbitrary turns and 100% every 7th, 8th and 9th
BECOME UNGOVERNABLE
Become ungovernable

>>2185088
>GoF Witch
...huh

Your death might be slow, but it's inevitable. 20% more Block to get from SP. Maybe I don't need that Gem Crafter's.

>>2185146
>198 speed
Anne, moving and grooving!

>>2185168
Yeah, if she can tank enough then Speed becomes a non-issue too.

Giselle with all range stuff + the sight individual mastery can practically shoot base to base on the Crow's Ruin Culvert pvp map

>>2185214
It's so much easier to activate Sniping with that extra range.

Hanson was a chud...

I'm not sure if we've talked about this when >>2180065 picrelated was first announced, but all of those guys besides Gyro, Sanson and Ben were part of Hanson's department in the Drifter Clowns.
That's pretty cool, I thought they were new members we hadn't seen yet.

>>2185281
Holy fuck that's an obscure find. I think you're the first to point that out.

>>2185293
It's actually all three of them, although Sancho isn't shown in the CG.
Makes me wonder how far ahead they were planning at this point.

>>2185354 (You)
Nevermind, Sancho is holding the cake and hidden by the textbox...

>>2185354
DLC1 is a lot of worldbuilding and even namedrops Banished Children at the end of it, it's sort of a teaser for it.

>>2185354
>Makes me wonder how far ahead they were planning at this point.
They go full Hanged Crown in the ending cutscene complete with gear like in the BC character concepts, so those guys were definitely planned in advance to come back in the next game

>Yuri compares Bianca's smile in his drawing to that of her lovestruck mother looking at her husband
I can see where the Bibi x Alisa allegations are coming from.

WELCOME TO MY STEIJI

>>2185437
Well Alisa is husband material after all.

ESP Misty is doing pretty well now that I'm getting better at positioning her. Pretty sure Red Sand would destroy this build though.

>>2185281
I never noticed the cake being clown-themed, that's kinda cute.
It's hard to hate these guys despite them being war criminal mercenaries and hitmen.

i want to squeeze alisa's biceps

I've been dicking around with the modding tool, and with some xml editing you can make it load any map in the game as a town.
This is a map called Theater_CinemaV that's unused. I'd estimate there are probably 30-40 unused maps in this game.
What was really surprising - and the reason I made the webm - is that the town models walking around have leaping animations like they do when you move them as units.

>>2185672
She's not that muscular. I want to ruffle her hair
>>2185675
All the remnants of the game's supposed MMO past are so weird to see

>>2185683
I'm going through a bunch of maps and recording/screenshotting stuff. It'll take a while to sit down and convert them, but there's some really gnarly stuff in here.
This is City_Bridge_Park

>>2185694
it seems like earlier version of the game were a lot more cyberpunky or futuristic so it makes sense that the unused maps would probably reflect that

>>2185683
>All the remnants of the game's supposed MMO past are so weird to see
on steam forums i think they were trying to get feedback on if they should remove the multiplayer elements for the sequel, and while i wouldn't mind if they did get rid of the hub area, i hope they at least keep pvp. trade with other players would be nice too, as long as they got rid of the stupid bound item system that makes it impossible to actually trade for worthwhile items. i have some legendaries with decent affixes that i'm not going to use but would be nice to give to other players

sub 20 min is possible. I can feel it in my bones.
>>2185723
pvp is a whole new layer of fun in this game. I really wish they keep it moving forward, but nobody seems to care enough for it

what if buffs/debuffs lasted for a set amount of AT instead of character turns?

My estimate of unused maps was off. There are 393 map geometry files in the game, of which about 120 are used. About half of the unused ones I've tried so far have trapped me in a bodiless void.
This is Valhalla_Outer_Gate. It actually has a lot of hilly terrain.

>>2185675
Huh, that's nice.

>>2185694
>>2185746
These unused maps could lead you down a bottomless rabbit hole of potential what-if Troubleshooter scenarios.
I guess it's not that unthinkable that we'd have a map at the outer wall of Valhalla though; we do visit Iron Forest pretty frequently.
Please share any intersting finds with us!

>>2185750
There's a really big city map with a bank in it. It brought my PC to its knees. I recorded some webms of it but haven't converted them yet.

>got 9 golden leather from ashen harbor jurisdiction
feels so nice

Apologies for the shitty FPS, I wasn't getting much better than this in realtime either

part 2

part 3

>>2185771
negooris :)

>>2185772
>>2185775
almost looks like something out of deus ex human revolution or mankind divided

a bank robbery mission would've been pretty cool, though none of the factions we fight seem like the kind of people to rob a bank

>>2185757
>>2185771
>>2185772
>>2185775
Most of these are still pretty barebones, but I would've liked to see more indoor maps like this.
The raid on Don's bar is pretty much the only time you can enter and leave a house within a mission.

>>2185779
i think the tile system doesn't allow units to be standing directly over/under each other so they probably couldn't do indoors on most maps without blocking off the roof somehow so people can't windwalk onto it

>>2185778
>negooris :)
Yeah, the method I used to get the game to load the maps still loads all the NPCs in the places they would be in the town.

>>2185780
Oh, that makes sense. Even in missions with multiple levels of floors you can never access the area below a balcony etc. I never thought about that before.

This is Island_EcologicalPark
The camera is extremely broken though, I took a printscreen after this because it was the only way to get 1 frame of visible terrain not from this angle.
I could probably edit the spawn position to put me on the regular terrain, but eh, whatever

This is the only other angle I managed to get
>>2185779
There's also 36V with the distribution center. Not my favourite map, but it exists.

>>2185791
>>2185793
isn't this where you fight the negooris in that one quest-specific mission?

>>2185796
It uses similar assets and general layout, but there aren't any buildings on that map and it's surrounded by rocks on most sides.

>>2185791
>>2185793
Ohh, that's cool. Although I'm suffering Crabnam flashbacks looking at this island...
>the distribution center
You're right, I forgot since it's such a gigantic hall instead of a "house".
Crimson Crow's first map counts as well.

Garden_Park_a, an alternate version of Sky Wind Park it looks like

>>2185779
if they were possible, having lots of indoor areas would be a pain on certain maps.
imagine having to go door-to-door clearing out buildings in maps like starlight junction

Resource_Forest_Spa, basically a hellish less interesting version of the Negoori violent case.

ResourceAreaThreeway, the layout is a base in the center and 3 different sections of the map branching off from it. One has water, one has ice, one has lots of bushes.

Here's a shot of the base, it's just back and to the left of the previous screenshot.

Looking out onto the ice. The ramps are fake, can't click on them.

And the grass
This is pretty much all I've got for now, but there are still literally like a hundred unseen maps still in the files.
Here's a pastebin of the map xml file, pretty much every line is a real map with real geometry.
https://pastebin.com/C2zukrD9

>>2185818
that looks atrocious

>>2185823
>>2185826
>>2185827
>>2185833
i'm guessing on this map you probably would've had to hold off attacks from the three directions with different beast types for each, maybe timas for the grass, negooris for the water, and maybe something else for the ice

>>2185833
I'm surprised the game still only takes up 8 GB with all those unused map files, though they probably just hold information for what tile and features go where and the game itself actually loads in all the models and setpieces, that would also maybe explain the long load times.

Couldn't resist doing some more. This is City_Motel_A. It looks really pretty but the geometry is quite simple. This is the most interesting thing about it.

>>2185843
What really surprises me is that there are hundreds and hundreds of them, but it still took Dandy a month to make each of the Crimson Crow maps. The bottleneck must be something other than the terrain.
Anyway, I found a more complete version of the map in >>2185675

ParkPlace_Offstreet
It looks very similar to that one map, you know the one, but it's not the same.

The camera's bugged to fuck on this one, it's called Room_Party_Place and it looks like a disco. The floors change colour.

All I could tell was that it's not very large, maybe the size of Silverlining

>>2185889
>>2185890
>we missed out on dance club combat kino
would've loved the hotline miami vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Wmb823Mgc

Does the Skull Ring always roll the Savior modifier or is it just sheer luck that the three skull rings I've gotten have that modifier?

>>2185913
Just RNG

>>2185889
>>2185890
>The floors change colour.
Nice effort. It'd be the perfect map to feature Leton and the other two Superstar enemies.

>>2185936
it would be a neat little gimmick if dance floors had a field effect that buffed dancer/superstar and the other performance classes

Was trying and failing for the last half hour to get some better views of this map. It's called WhiteTigerBase and the camera is irredeemably fucked. It seems the engine really doesn't like indoor towns.

>>2185281
huh, good catch
>>2185694
cool
>>2185757
4v4 pvp let's fucking goooo
>>2185803
>random gravestones
i guess Giselle intro scent of the past and Giselle/Albus vs white tigers were both set here originally?
>>2185818
hope you brought your field immunity boots :))
>>2185833
>RageBarrelStreet
jej

Troublebros eating good today

>>2185951
>>RageBarrelStreet
I'm 99% sure that's the Angry Barrel Parking Lot

I don't really like how the spirit masteries give so much vigor when being in overcharge makes all your abilities cost no vigor.
and I'm too lazy to test this myself, but does overcharge for beasts and machines also make their abilities cost no rage or fuel?

>>2185833
That's fascinating. I don't think I ever noticed that during my exploration. It's interesting there's an entire Airbus A380 model in the files, yet it isn't used anywhere and there's not even a map named something like "Airport" or "Runway" it could potentially have fitted on.

>>2185943
>>2185946
>>2185949
>WhiteTigerBase
Damn, that's nice. There must've been more to their arrest in the initial draft.
There's this illustration of an unused scene where Bibi and Alisa argue with Foo.

>>2185962
You generally want to have as much SP as possible, since each SP type has benefits proportional to the amount of SP you've accumulated. That's true for beasts, humans and even machines with their unique SP classes.
Being able to use skills cost-free and to use your Overcharge skill is just a bonus.
>does overcharge for beasts and machines also make their abilities cost no rage or fuel
Yes.

>>2186118
>white tiger and black tiger
>white lion and black witch
kino

>>2186182
All hail the Negoori.

>>2185962
Great Morale and Integration Into One are more for activating their synergies rather than the effect itself. That isn't to say the effect itself isn't nice, people like Giselle and Heixing can be pretty greedy on Vigor and some Spirit sets solve their sustain issues, especially if you want to spam Chain Fire.

>>2186182
clown mask negoori

My file is at 750/830 Masteries with about 200 hours in it. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The majority of them are monster only.

Anne tires of these monkey's shenanigans.

speen

>>2186277
Anger Strikeless Barbarian going well, I see

I hate this guy. Anne can solo him though. I feel like that's pretty much always the best way to deal with him, find somebody that's strong enough to 1v1 him indefinitely.

>>2186281
Other than just nuking him with a 1v1 build, blinds from Anne screw him over pretty well, and you can get some really nice corner peeks depending on where he goes. That spot in this one >>2186247 is one of the best places for ranged units to chip at him. You've got the little alley just up and right of Anne, you've got the rooftop, you've got corners offscreen to the south and southeast, and the one directly to the east. That sort of thing is usually how I deal with him.

>>2186284
Yeah, I really like the East spawn location, it's pretty easy to take over your area and then you have the buildings to clear the rest of the Mungos from. It's also pretty easy to force a small fight against the King in the upper area over there after luring him from the center.

>>2186285
>someone else who likes the East spawn
You get so much out of it. I'll never understand people who prefer South.

Fuck your snipers.

Haha...

>>2186342
God misty is so hot. All the girls are hot and perfect but her... damn.

sub 20 minutes all modifiers on DONE

Wouldn't this work perfectly on that Great Swordsman Mungo?
Honestly sounds better than a Bloody Vampire Albus build.

I figured out a technique to get inside maps that are somewhat broken so I could look around the White Tiger Base.
It's pretty much just a square room with an upper rim around the outside.

>>2186373
Yeah. It's kickass on gunners as well. A lot of beasts like that mastery.

I'm thinking given its small size and simplicity with the context of >>2186118 it might have been intended for a duo map rather than a full-on battle

Here's the disco room from the inside. It is very small - if you were here in actual gameplay you could probably move the entire span of the room in 1 turn.