>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://fantasticanachronism.com/2025/03/20/how-to-be-good-at-dating/
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33183188

I'm attracted to men and women as long as they aren't fat or deformed and I'd say at least 80% of people attractive enough to want to lay. I've felt this way since I was about 12 years old and I'm 26 now and still haven't gotten laid or been in a relationship. What do

I really really want a boyfriend or a girlfriend. I'm 6'3", white, green eyes, have a defined jaw, handsome features. I was fat my entire childhood but I got in shape in college and still maintain my abs. I have no idea how to get a boyfriend or a girlfriend, like, at all. Do you talk to them? How do you tell if someone would want you to be their boyfriend? I never developed the social skills for this because of my weight as a child so I don't know how to date. I think my parents would be happier if I was with a woman because they want grandkids from me but I don't personally have a preference for one sex over the other.

To clarify I know I describe myself as tall and attractive and those things are true but I have the brain of an autist and I have a hard time telling if someone is attracted to me unless they're being very explicit about it and the only times people have been that way with me is when they're interested in a quick bang at a house party or something and I have never taken anyone up on an offer like that because I don't want to have sex with someone who won't let me be their boyfriend. So if anyone has ever tried to get me to pursue them romantically I don't think I've ever been able to tell. Like, it's easy to tell when someone wants to bang me but I don't want that I only want to have sex with someone who loves me

>>33230635
Start swiping. If you match that means they like you.

>>33230676
I thought people only used dating apps for sex. Am I retarded.

My misogyny made me despise women and consequently made me not desperate, so I became a scarce resource, and now women notice me.

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

If i join a hobby what is a good way to get a date with a girl? My mind just goes blank talking to them. I had a short conversation with this girl i introduced myself and she asked a question back but i kinda mumbled and then ended the conversation.

>>33231751
It's true. At most, women see their end fulfilled so long as they give you some eye contact and stand in close physical proximity. The rest is up to the man.

>>33231778
most of the time a split-second of eye contact and adjusting her hair is all the signal you're gonna get. expecting more is female behavior.
there's a reason redditors with the testosterone levels of a newborn squirrel are pleading with women to make the first move. filtering themselves out and they don't even know it.

>go to the Goodwill in the city across the river from the one I currently live in
>several young, beautiful women, all giving me "the look"
>can't do anything about it because I don't currently drive, and trying to date them by taking the bus to their city would be untenable
sad

I recently got my driver's license and a car, so that should help. I can "swipe right" on further away people now.

>>33231851
will you drive me and my date around if need-be? >>33231851

>>33232019
whoops, meant to tag >>33231925

>>33230500 (OP)
Where the fuck can zoomers find women

>>33232133
All your zoomer girls are belong to me
t. 30 yo

>>33231851
might as well get some practice in so when you finally get a car you won't be starting from zero anon. become numb to approach anxiety, do some number closes, even practice your texting.
constantly postponing your life waiting for the next thing before you can get started is how you end up 45 wondering where the fuck all the years went.

>just let me wait until I get a car
>just let me wait until I get my own place
>just let me wait until I get a good job
>just let me wait until I'm in shape
>etc etc

women will fuck a jobless bum who sleeps on his buddy's couch if he's interesting and funny enough.

How do you cope with having an awful combination of traits?

I'm a short black man with autism

>>33231769
no point in dating if you're not passionate about talking to a girl, that's most of it

>Know girl from work
>She was initially kind of professional, but has changed some in the last few months
>Become a lot more chatty, even discussing personal topics with me (family, work problems like her supervisor having a meeting with her, worries about her future, that sort of thing)
>Initially think she just wants something from me, but she continues at it for a few weeks
>Finally ask her on a date, she gets a little nervous and tells me she's working that night
>Cools down after the fact, still talks but not to the same degree, won't return my gaze right away like before

Did I misread the situation? Was she just being more friendly out of the blue before for no particular reason, or did I perhaps imagine it? Maybe she was flattered and got really shy all of a sudden since she knows I'm interested in her? I don't know what signs I should look for to tell one way or another. I feel like something was up, but perhaps she just felt like she could chat to me like a friend and didn't think I'd approach her like that.

>>33230500 (OP)
So living with parents (especially your mum) is instant pussy repellant, but I really want to keep saving money and not live with some random normalfaggot. If I want pussy as a 26 year old man I HAVE to be a rent cuck yes?

>>33233312
It puts you at a disadvantage, but it's not an instant dealbreaker. Just say you've just started a new job and moved back home due to life circumstances, a lot of women won't mind if you're temporarily staying somewhere while you get your finances straight. They're most likely in the same boat.

>>33233322
But I’ve never lived out of home
>inb4 just lie
Lying about your personal life isn’t the best way to start a relationship

>>33233333
No, but you need to get your foot in the door. You don't have to tell a bald faced lie, but insinuating that you're at home temporarily for (reasons) even if it's not the absolute truth is fine, especially if you can show that it's let you put away money in the meantime.

>>33232939
idk man.. basically the same but im white
my dad tells me to not worry about it and said that i can easily get one from abroad if I wanted (I migrated to a first world country)
I doubt that to so right now im just moneymaxxing and hopefully I get to fuck some young sluts later on or something

>>33233294
Doesn't sound like she was into you, sorry man

>>33233346
I’d only be living with her for another year, and it would mean I could save way more money than if I found a place on my own. Also I think it’d be more mentally healthy to not give a fuck about whether a woman likes it or not. Maybe this last part is cope but I feel like right one won’t give a shit

>>33231751
>Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.
only by tall and handsome men. no women wants to have an ugly, short man's genes part of her lineage

>>33233294
The key here when girls reject you asking thme out is, did she suggest another time instead. If she didn't she's not interested and it was just an excuse, if she did then she is interested. This idea has like 95% accuracy.

Am I likely to be judged for dating a 21 year old at 27?
I didn't realise she was so young but we both like each other a lot and she probably has more life experience than I do.

>>33233626
by whom?
should you give a fuck is the correct question, and the answer is no

when do you become bf/gf? seeing this girl for 6 weeks, she already initiated the exclusive talk in week 4 despite saying she wants a man to make things official. obviously we’ve slept together and we’ve been seeing each other 2/3 times a week

is it too soon to make it official now? she seems very much into me but previous situationships have cooked me

>>33233627
Wider society I guess but I look so young that I don't think anyone would notice.
I did worry it might be exploitative or something but we're probably at the same stage life-wise. More than anything I feel like I'd be an idiot to turn down the only girl who's ever expressed an interest in me, especially when we get along so well.

1. Don't want to date non-virgin. How to ask in a nice way?

2. I do a sport where there are many women. do I casually give women my messenger/snap details or should I just directly ask them out?

"Cold" vs "warm" approach I guess.

Stats: Animeish skinny 6'4" europoor. young women (mid late teens early 20s) they've been giving me looks of interest. When I talk to them they get flustered.

>>33233626
21? Thats still a child you pedo groomer

>>33233711
>Don't want to date non-virgin.
Enjoy dying a virgin.

>>33233791
Yeah actually i'd rather slit my throat. May start going on a meth-fuck-rampage then end it but I'd rather not.

Going on a date with a 47 year old woman tonight (I'm 37)
We're both into each other but she has a lot of anxiety about men because she just got out of a bad divorce a couple years ago, and I haven't dated a woman in 15 years
What should I expect and what's the best way to not screw this up?

>>33233903
Somewhat unrelated, but are you okay with no possibility of ever having children?

I slept with a new woman and she became immediately obsessed, saying how she dreams about me, wants to get married, constantly calls etc. I should just write her off as crazy and not continue to talk to her right?

>>33234026
Absolutely.

>>33233312
Just say you’re currently saving to buy your own house. I was 30 still living at home and never had a problem with this, most women will be understanding.

>>33233626
21 is a fully mature woman you retard, what exactly is the problem?

>>33233626
You’ll be judged by useless strangers no matter who you date

>>33233312
No just go to their house.

>>33233629
6 weeks is long enough, be a man and instead of doing some "are we gf bf' set the mood right (home date/dinner) and ask her to be your gf. Say shes beautiful and unique and you want her to be the one whatever youll know what to say
OR you can randomly call her your girlfriend and see how she reacts. Make something up like oh yeah we were talking about dogs at work and I told them my gf has a poodle. whatever you come up with the whole point is that youre indirectly telling her you refer to her per 'girlfriend' to other people.

>>33233626
IRL no one cares, 7 year gap in my relationship no one ever said anything. You're two adults who like and chose each other.

I started dating this woman I really like and all my anxiety I used to have is gone.

>>33230500 (OP)
State gender please
>24 M
>Want to get laid with a woman, never had sex with one
>Not sure if I even want a relationship
>Would like a Fwb and nothing more


Is this normal or am I just a horny scumbag? I wish I could just get laid and get it over with but it feels like I'll have to put in a ton of effort just to MAYBE get someone looking my direction. How easy is it to use dating apps for this kind of thing? Do all expect you to show commitment or buy them things first or are there any women there just to fuck? This itch of mine is getting irritating

>>33231345
Truly it is a paradox

Learn to read emotions rather than putting an overly simplistic label on it. When a young woman is upset, yes there are some women in this world who when they are upset wouldn't give two shits if you blew your brains out with a shotgun, BUT REALISTICALLY SPEAKING it could be she feels like she is dealing with an annoying child, it could be she had a stressful day, it could be she needs to recharge, or it could be she is trying to fix a mental issue you have. Point is don't jump to conclusions.

Learn to read emotions rather than putting an overly simplistic label on it. When a young woman is upset, yes there are some women in this world who when they are upset wouldn't give two shits if you blew your brains out with a shotgun, BUT REALISTICALLY SPEAKING it could be she feels like she feels you are acting like an annoying child, it could be she had a stressful day, it could be she needs to recharge, or it could be she is trying to fix a mental issue you have. Point is don't jump to conclusions.

>>33235757
>fix a mental issue you have
yeah nah get fucked

This is kind of a moral question but also related to this thread. To explain, a few months ago I went to a event hosted by my cousin and ended up sitting at a table with a super cute girl, a male friend of my cousin's (Mark) and his gf (Sarah).

I hit it off real hard with the cute girl, and we basically acted as a couple that night while hanging out with Mark and Sarah. Later that night we took an Uber back since we live close together. My hook up sat in front and Mark, Sarah and I sat in the back.

The whole ride Sarah kept talking with me and asking me questions, ignoring her bf Mark. I actually felt bad for Mark since it was so obvious.

Things didn't work out with the cute girl but I made friends with Mark and Sarah (mostly Mark) and we hung out a few times in the past few months. Sometimes just with Mark and the boys, sometimes with Sarah too. I noticed Sarah is always extra nice to me - throwing away trash I may have, making sure I have water, making sure I'm getting the cold drinks out of the fridge and not the warm ones (even when she's not near me, so she's clearly watching me). Also caught her staring at me.

So here's the thing - first, I always got the feeling she was never that into Mark. Second, Mark just got a new job in a different state and will be moving. Mark said Sarah was going to wait a few months then move with him. Later I asked Sarah when she'd be moving to join him and she changed the subject.

I strongly feel that because she's not that into him, she's going to let him move, and then a few months in during long distance just break up with him. Meaning we'll both be single and literally a 5 minute walk from each other (we live close).

I want her. So how do I get her? I was only seeing her through Mark, and now that Mark is gone I'm not going to see her at any hang outs. I was thinking of sending her a message, but I'm worried that if they're still together she might mention it to Mark. So what is the best way to test the waters here?

>>33233903
>37
>on 4chan
nigga get a hobby

There is a difference between a feminazi and a feminist. A feminazi, you can just forget about dating as that shit is in the abyss if you try to date one. A feminist, how you date one is you have to show through repentence and having a heart that says I am gonna try my best no matter what, and that will attract one and keep you near one. A feminazi will only be happy if your balls are chopped off. How can you tell the difference? Notice of how when you say something offensive how you are either corrected or treated like trash about it. Notice of how when you make changes about your sexism how the feminist forgives you. The feminist too sees the good in men. Feminazis men are just all evil and all of that unrealistic shitty garbage. Feminazi theory creates incels. Feminist theory rehabs incels.

Since I'm short and have an offputting personality
Like I'm to different than most people
Girls tend to not like me and don't give me a chance
I feel that I just need them to give me a chance
But also, if I try to be normal, girls can also sense I'm hiding something and don't give me a chance as well

I've gone on dozens of dates(with more than 50 woman for sure, maybe close to 100),
had sexual experiences with 5 girls (not all sex)
And had one 4/10 gf

I am physically attractive, besides my short stature, but personality wise I scare the hoes.

I am so fucking tired of messaging and meeting girls who will never give me a chance after the first date / encounter.
Why is this world like this

>>33236758
An offputting personality is someone who constantly sees the bullshit in everything, themselves, and people. I don't care if the guy is the sheriff and acts like that, do not be that, and you will be fine. Try to instead find the positives.

>>33234321
erm akshually her brain isn't fully developed until 25. she's literally a 21-year-old child. what do you even talk about with a child, what do you have in common with her?

How do I meet older women (40+) that want to fuck younger guys (early to mid-20s).
My brain has sort of been stuck on this for 2 years since I met an older "lesbian" couple on a trip, but I chickened out when they went for it. Last week I was at the airport on a layover and this 46yo mom was getting real flirty at the bar, but I had to catch my flight. I only seem to meet them at the worst places (places I'm not going to stay). A lot of older women don't really seem to be interested in younger guys. I just want to do it even if I regret it to get my brain to stop with the what-ifs.
Specifically I'm talking about
Run of the mill normal looking middle-aged women
I'm personally
24M, normal looking (some girls have said I'm "cute"), normal weight (170lbs), normal height 5' 11 1/2" (I normally just say 6' but I'll be honest with you guys)

>>33234291
Then I'd say have fun! You'll be fine as long as you're not thinking about 'not screwing it up'

>>33235954
You're a piece of shit.

>>33235954
You literally just ask her to get a drink or hangout sometime, that's it.

>>33236758
>I've gone on dozens of dates(with more than 50 woman for sure, maybe close to 100),
>had sexual experiences with 5 girls (not all sex)
>And had one 4/10 gf

Forgive me for being rude, but that's really your success ratio? you must be doing something very, very wrong

>>33237134
What can I say, I've tried many things
And none of them have worked
Just go in being myself, being light and friendly

Since I've tasted some success, I can generally tell when a girl is into me.
The times I've been successful in escalating or getting another date, the girl has made it very easy for me

Every other time, it has felt that I had to change something drastically or be someone else to get the girl to even let me lead her. Or get her to open up beyond the surface level.

I have no clue what I do wrong, only thing I can think of is that I want the girls to not just reject me or like me in my deepest thoughts and they can sense that?

>>33237180
Your outward expression may give an idea to what you are thinking, but deep down no one really knows what you really are thinking.

>>33237180
Do you have bad breath or something? The thing is, if a girl is willing to go out with you in the first place, it means they're at minimum somewhat attracted to you and are willing to let themselves become further interested. I don't know man, there's so many possibilities if you want specifics that it's difficult to diagnose from a distance. To be blunt, maybe you're being boring, maybe you're saying something that's a major turnoff, I don't know.

>>33237253
exactly, there's almost no way for me to know what I do wrong, or for anyone to know what I do wrong

the lack of feedback in dating is truly spirit crushing

all I can do is keep being myself, and playing the numbers game

that is why I fee so defeated

>>33237261
If you happen to live in the Pacific Northwest, I'll hangout with you and let you know what's making you so unappealing. Otherwise, I don't know, maybe ask some of your other friends, go to a bar with them sometime and hit on some girls in front of them or go on a doubledate and ask them what you're doing wrong? That's the best idea I've got.

personality, pua and pick up line sisters, what's our response?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DtRAiEbA8I

>>33230500 (OP)
Maybe this is not the right general or maybe different question but here we go: my fiancé confided in me that I looked intimidating but I laughed it off. She’s currently calling me to know me better and agree on things which is fine by me. However is there a way I need to do ? like wearing a silly hat
A side related note: throughout the past years, Two different coworkers had told me at different points that they thought I was a killer or something when they first saw me but once we interacted alot they warmed up to me… hell I remember one of them flatout apologized to me. Like what the hell?

>>33237614
So basically, be attractive? Yeah, true. As an attractive guy, even when I was a heroin addict, girls didn't give a shit because I was that good-looking. Hell there were times when my hygiene really suffered (though you can't have bad breath), and it didn't matter too much.

>she has "no ONS" in her profile which means she's most likely to have ONS
Where does that come from? My ONS never had "no ONS" in their bios

>>33233619
I disagree. In the beginning most girls don't want to look overly eager, so they let the guys have all the initiative, up to including picking the right time for a date. You suggest another time, if she rejects all the suggestions, that's when you know she's not interested.

Girl I'm seeing invited me to play games with her and her friends Thursday night. If I make and bring a snack like brownies is that "tryhard" or do you think her friends will like me and she'll see me more positively because of it?
Also I still want a 1 on 1 date with her this week thinking of inviting her to brunch after church.

I grew my hair and beard out very long. I can swear girls look at me way less. I guess girls don't like the Gandalf look. I hate going to barbers though. And I don't like the way I look with very short hair and beard so I can't cut it myself. Initially I just wanted to try the style of Steve1989MREInfo and Adam Green but then I just kept growing it.

>>33238706
Anyway I'm tired of it. It's a pain in the ass to take care of, so I might cut it soon.

>>33234069
Yes. Something similar happened to a guy I know and he got baby trapped.

>>33234069
>>33238721
wtf having intimate connections made a woman feel intimately connected with you??!! wtf?!!

>>33238796
It's rare in today's culture of fornication and with how piss easy it is for girls to get laid. Even if she's your first girl you're most likely her 50th guy.

I am struggling immensely with putting myself back out on the dating scene. I've had a few dates over the last couple of years, but that's about it.

It's a two fold issue for me. The first being that I don't work a typical job. I'm a professional full-time gambler (advantage player). I beat casinos for a living. Women do not believe this whenever the question comes up. So it makes it hard to answer the question of "what do you do?"

The second issue is, my estrangement from my family. I don't speak to either of my parents. My mother is a basket case. Several mental health issues. My father a physically and verbally abusive alcoholic. I've had a couple of women walk out on dates with me when the topic of family comes up. I bring it up when they press it.
IDK man. I feel bad just talking about it all and thinking about it now. I feel so awful about myself. I'm not a bad looking guy in my opinion either. I work out regularly, eat healthy, generally avoid hard drugs, I have a strong work ethic, I love making a woman laugh and smile and blush. Humility in a woman is such a turn on for me. Especially when she takes care of herself too. I love women from the perspective of psychicality and my basi sociobiological sexual impulses. But in terms of individuality, seeing them as people? I'm finding it increasingly hard not to hate them and find contempt for them. They assume so much without ever truly getting to know me and that hurts me so much.

I love my job. I look good. I care about the people I try to get to know. What more do you want? It just feels like it's never enough. IDK. Apologies for shitting up the thread, but I felt it was the most appropriate place to vent. I'll keep trying like I always do. It's just painful and hurts my pride every time the answer is indirect or evasive. It's like my effort isn't good enough.

>>33233626
Even if you will, who cares? I'm mid 30s and been dating 21 for a half year, I don't give a fuck what others say.

>>33238842
>It's a two fold issue for me. The first being that I don't work a typical job. I'm a professional full-time gambler (advantage player). I beat casinos for a living. Women do not believe this whenever the question comes up. So it makes it hard to answer the question of "what do you do?"
You just gotta find out a good way of explaining it, down to a tried-and-true script.

>The second issue is, my estrangement from my family. I don't speak to either of my parents. My mother is a basket case. Several mental health issues. My father a physically and verbally abusive alcoholic. I've had a couple of women walk out on dates with me when the topic of family comes up.
Walked out? Seriously? Just say you're not close and try to move on. Don't talk about it until you're closer.

>>33233626
Very American post

>>33238842
Didn't read but you're a gambler which means a degenerate. Women don't like that. I have the same problem, I also have a shit job and get rejected for it a lot. I also don't talk to my parents but women normally don't ask me about it. I get lucky once in a while but generally struggling to get laid. Got 6 dates last year and 1 this year but no lay since 2023.

>>33238868

Yeah, they walked out. One girl that comes to mind is someone who I used to work with. She was an English major, we worked a warehouse job together. Very cute, great smile, chipper personality with a quick whit and a penchant for literature. I like to read too and when I'm in the mood can be a book worm myself.

We went on a breakfast date one morning, we finally both had time to meet up and go. She asks about the relationship with my father and mother. I tell her. Her eyes go wide, her whole demeanor changes, she's somber and quiet for the rest of the date. I could tell what shifted the mood. I offered to pay. She insists on covering everything. She permanently avoided me ever since at that job. I grew to hate her.

Not everyone is like that. Perhaps she too had family with issues like that and it was just a cautious presumption made on her part. It still didn't feel good. That happened nine years ago? That moment never left me. I dated another girl around that time. Same thing. Just reviled pity. Bitch you asked about my family and I told you. I hate lying. Do I really have to lower myself to that level to get by in the beginning? I don't want to do that man lol

>>33238905
Just don't drop the heavy stuff on the first date like that. When people ask about your family, they're just making conversation to try and make future conversation easier.

>>33238895

Right, and they always assume this. I have made over $40,000 over the last month and a half. I've worked less than 20 hours a week. These people have no concept of probability theory, statistics, mathematics. NOTHING. They just hear "casino" or "gambler" and think "oh he has a problem." Yeah bitch my only problem is trying to explain something to you that breaks your cognitive dissonance. I'm this close to lying about it all. I should have stayed at the detective firm. At the very least these broads wouldn't have a problem finding that believable.

>>33238832
I think you're way overestimating the amount of "fornication" going on. You're repeating the jewish lie of hookup culture that says we can repress the real feelings that come from sex.

>>33238922
Doesn't matter. Gambling is a vice no matter if you're not addicted, you're intelligent yada yada. Gambling is a sin period.

>>33238932
The only one believing jewish lies is you

>>33238943

Ah, the old religious moralistic pivot. Well, if beating an industry that preys on desperate people is a sin, I hope God has a special seat in Hell reserved just for me. Cheers.

>>33238947
Hello Rabbi.
>i hate all the fornication everyone's degenerate
>wtf a girl I pumped is now clinging to me, should I dump her?

>>33238950
The money you're winning is coming from those desperate people.

>>33238954
That wasn't me, retard. I just said to the person who thought it was weird that it's rare that girls are like that because they get over that after the first guy.

I met a single mom, within 48 hours she was saying she loved me, wanted me to adopt her youngest son and I got a hotel, fucked for hours and I came inside her 4 times. Had to ghost her after as she was ungodly clingy. Crazy pussy is always the best, should I go back?

>>33238962

Interesting point of view. I never considered this.

Do you still believe this is the case, even if the money changed hands? They gave it to a business enterprise in the (often though not always) misguided belief that luck was on their side and they would leave the establishment with a profit if they played long enough. That maxim only works for the house technically speaking, in most cases.

The money is now in the hands of the casino. Therefore, because it was an exchange of value, even if unethical or immoral in practice, an exchange of value did occur. In conclusion, the money belongs to the house. It is now the casinos money, not the desperate gambler.

Where someone like me comes in boils down to a matter of playing a game, whether a slot machine, or a card game like blackjack, and playing solely when I know I have a mathematical advantage or edge over the house. So that over several sessions over hundreds if not thousands of hours of play, I come out on top over the house (generate a positive long term expected value).

Would you still consider this behavior of mine and act of immoral character? If so, why? I'm interested to see how you respond. I consider it moreso an act of justified revenge. The casino takes it from the public and I take it back and put it towards bettering my life.

>>33238974
age?

>>33238994
We're both 30/31

>>33239000
nice triple

>>33238974
What should I do next with her?

I’ve been trying to get a white gf since I was 13, I’m 30 now and want 18-24 but people are calling me a pedophile for that. Also why do young white adult white women hate white people and don’t want to date me because I’m white ?

>>33240133
They hate you because you're a fat creepy fuck that is trying to specifically pick up college chicks.

>>33237614
kekek. It never began for personalitycels

Finally lost enough weight that I'm close to what I weighed when I was in highschool. Clothes look good on me for once in 15 years. However, even with this new confidence, I'm starting to think I do not want to pursue dating. I just think about when I'm out or online, I see attractive women, but I have zero desire to get to know them. I think about what a relationship is and the only thing I even want out of it is maybe some degree of closeness and shared financial benefits. Sex I couldn't care less for, jerking off is free and I can't miss what I've never had. I don't know. I just kinda like finally feeling good doing the things I enjoy for once so much that I don't to introduce an outside chaotic element to disrupt it. IRL I don't have success, though I've never tried really, online I might as well be invisible lol. Friends keep telling me I should stay open to it and put real effort into it, but eh, probably would be better to focus on stuff I can control like making a real push to buy a house or something.

>>33237668

>as an attractive guy

when you see this on the internet, it's an ugly guy most of the time

even if you're an actual chad you're still a retard for bragging about getting lucky in life

>>33238974

well isn't it obvious? either betabux or ghost. you can do whatever you want.

>>33238842
none of this would be a problem for a chad

you're not a chad so just don't bother

>>33240288
I'm not bragging, I'm sharing my experience relevant to the topic at hand.(the content of the video). And I've got plenty of flaws, believe me.

Appearance is not everything.

>>33237274
in Japan
so maybe, the fact that I am a charismatic American type of guy, is off-putting to these girls
only some girls will be attracted to this style

I will have to cuck my personality a lot going forward is my current realization

>>33240153
I’m not fat, I’m tall. And what’s creepy? I haven’t approached any young women in years because people are being accused of pedophilia. BUT I still see blacks with really young pale white girls and it’s obviously not their step daughter because they are being intimate in public.

>>33237044
Why? I'm genuinely curious. If they do break up then what's wrong with me reaching out?

If you constantly put everyone else first you'll end up last. As much as I don't like hurting someone else's feelings (Mark), my future matters too. She's the kind of woman I'd marry. If we hypothetically end up getting married then in 20 years do you think Mark would still care?

>>33240153
seething roastie detected

>>33240949
You are legitimately incapable of understanding why.

Steer clear of women who think every man out there is a creepy pervert, or more importantly, acts like your dad when he says you need to get off your ass and stop playing video games, but unlike your dad thinks that way in a Nazi like fashion at a ridiculous level.

>>33230500 (OP)
Is one the reason girls don’t like shorter guys is because they assume we have a small dick?

For context I’m 5.6 so obviously short. But my dick is slightly above average. As in long enough to have a a clear bend (5.5 inches measured straight ignoring Bend) with an above average girth.

This clearly isn’t anything to brag about, but every girl that’s scene it seems to pleased by its size. (Plenty of compliments, and some body language that backs it up is the norm)

The problem is I rarely convince girls to actually to see it. So should I just tell girls that are interested in me that I have a big dick, even it’s a bit of a lie?

>>33240815
Well that's an entirely different ballgame my anonymous, ex pat friend.

>>33230500 (OP)
I have a coworker I’m interested in.
The main problem is kind of normal actually, I just don’t know how to deal with it.
I don’t want to join the list of men that fucked her up.
>She’s been harassed by our customers.
>She’s had two lovers before.
>One, I think she described as abusive, but it sounded more like a financial burden who cheated on her.
>The other was a recent breakup. According to unreliable rumors, this may have been our supervisor.
>she has stated that she doesn’t know when she’ll find someone again but wants to.
>and she’s just naturally talkative and friendly so I don’t know if anything here is mutual.
Therefore, I’m worried I’ll just be stepping on a sore subject with her. I have a few ideas on how to spend more time with her outside of work, but the fact that I see her as a mate makes me worried I’ll come off the same way as the guys that inappropriately touch her.

I’m also going to include a list of pros and cons I know about her for the sake of context.
Pros:
>we are the same age
>I’m switching departments in a few weeks, leaving by October at the latest, and she’s leaving in August. So coworker relationship ethics aren’t really in question anymore.
>sexually active
>wants to settle down with a man
Cons:
>see above.
>I’d probably be taking on some extra chaos in my life.
Neutral:
>she has a vaping addiction she’s trying to quit
>her dad’s a veteran. I am also a veteran. I fully expect a long dick measuring contest.
>lets face it. I have no right to say someone else’s life is too fucked up for me.

>>33241290
Not sure why you laid all of this out and what you want from us. Ask her to join you for a drink or, if you're feeling more forward, to come over and hangout. That's it. Good luck!

>>33241308
I think I’m just trying to figure out two things.
1. how to approach without being guy number 3 who just wants to use her.
Like, if this happened to her twice now, I’d imagine she’d be skeptical even if there’s no ill intentions.
And 2. Is it even worth it? Why bother this person if it can cause issues?

>>33241330
You're a different guy. All you can do is try.

That's just the ebb and flows of relationships. That's like saying why date someone if you might break-up. Just go for it.

>>33241330
Is she attractive enough that you would marry her without thinking about anything else? If the answer is no, do not bother. Because all her charm, her little idiosyncrasies, her little bad habits, they will come together and make you realize
>Wow I'm actually not that attracted to her
and you'll be guy number 3.

>>33240986
She wants me to lose my virginity to someone that is NOT innocent like me because she has a fucked up head

>>33241366
Foids are retarded. All the shit they act horrified by when they're older is the same shit they were doing when they were younger. It's not even a moral panic, it's just hags seething over the new batch of young chicks.

>>33241352
> Is she attractive enough that you would marry her without thinking about anything else?
I agree with reasoning, but I don’t think I understand this question.
Is she the most beautiful thing to walk this earth? No. No human is.
Is she a supermodel? No.
Is her personality attractive to me? Yes.
Would I marry her for that reason? Yeah, probably.
Would I marry without a second thought? No. That’s a huge financial risk. I should be careful of anything to do with legal and financial institutions.
>>33241342
> You're a different guy
I guess technically I am. But I’m also a lot like her ex. Similar career path. Similar fitness.
Idk,maybe you’re right and I’m stressing over nothing.

>>33241427
>Would I marry her for that reason? Yeah, probably.
Leave her be then. Don't settle for someone you aren't completely attracted to. You don't have to trust me, as I'm a stranger, however there are plenty of women who exist who you are completely attracted to. Go try and date them.

>>33241366
You missed the boat, anon. You want that young of chicks, you gotta be same age or high attractiveness (whether by status, personality, and/or looks).

Hopping back on dating apps cause I’m in a new city and don’t know anyone, are any of these worth dropping money on? Im average looking so realize its a long shot but I have no connections here

Do not jump to conclusions when you meet a girl. Remember what is happening could be like trying to turn in a gag lottery ticket that you found out was not real. It is a gamble. All it is, is a gamble. You need a fuck yeah to know she likes you, not all of this pick-up artist shit. Though remember what you sound like when you are with a group of friends and they give you the weird eye when you are pissing your pants in excitement for a dumb gamble you made on a young woman who may be going through stress but is masking it to avoid trouble.

>>33232887
>if he's interesting and funny enough.

You mean tall enough, hot enough, with a big enough penis. Drop the bullshit and just say it. This is what they want to hook up with. We all know it. These kinds of guys get between their legs first.

I'm 34, she's 22. How do I know if this is geniune love and she'll be ready to commit later or she just wants gifts and nice stuff?

>>33242633
Don't give her gifts and nice stuff, see what happens

>>33241466
How can I show them my personality if they avoid looking at me in public

>>33241290
She has daddy issues and undatable. You have no experience with women, its okay, I will remove the veil

She is not a poor girl victim, she chose this guys, she has childhood traumas and trust me you have no idea how to deal with it

She will chew you up, cheat on you and leave you heartbroken

Educate yourself and go date healthy women

>>33230500 (OP)
What is this thread’s advice for short and ugly men?

I only do daygame. I don't do the kind where you stand in a busy street. Rather I walk around.

My biggest problems are
1) I become anxious when there are people nearby who see and/or hear the approach.
2) I have stopped approaching walking girls and only approach girls who are sitting now. This means I miss many chances and have to walk for many hours for each opportunity, because most girls I'm attracted to are walking, very few are sitting.

I just had too many negative experiences when approaching walking girls. But then again some of the hottest girls I had dates with were walking.

What do?

why am I overthinking this message? I asked her to brunch she said maybe not but asked to get dinner tonight before we play games with her friends (she invited me) and to "chat about sunday". My thinking is maybe her family is in town?

maybe I should stop approaching tourist girls

>>33230500 (OP)
Going to a salsa dance party thing tonight with a group of friends. Any tips? And no I can't dance salsa, but they claim instructors will be showing us.

>>33243167
Retarded. I took a beginner class in salsa. Very difficult dance. You're not gonna learn shit. Go 10 times, then you might be able to do basic shit. Anyway salsa class was shit for getting dates. I also went to a dance event. Also shit when you aren't good at salsa. I might try badminton sometime.

>>33243167
>>33243351
I think these things are good for bringing a date not getting one.

>>33235954
you want her to make the first move
so you just need to be near her

>>33243385
Shit for that too. By all means experiment, but I wouldn't have high hopes with anything dance related, speaking from experience. Cooking classes, painting classes or badminton are probably better.

>>33243409
The girl I'm seeing isn't super physically-touchy so I think a dance class might be a good idea for us. But idk.

I think I'm done with women. I'm too fragile. I just want someone I love to love me back and it seems to be too much to ask. I think some people are just not meant to be loved.

>>33243112
My mom thinks she's "showing me off" because she's introducing me to friends and I hung out with other friends+her cousin last week and that I'm overreacting and being insecure. lol

>>33243090
>This means I miss many chances and have to walk for many hours for each opportunity, because most girls I'm attracted to are walking, very few are sitting.
Seriously?

Then again I approve the initiative.

>>33243994
>>33243112
Hmm, interesting. Could be a few things but regardless it's better than brunch.

You guys really spend money on dates when trying to impress a girl? If I know them already, I just invite them over to my place to hangout; if I don't, then I might do coffee or a quick drink then back to my place if things are going well. Taking a girl out and spending money on a date is for girls I'm already with, y'know? But that's me.

is JBMC true?

>>33243426
Exactly you don't know so stfu

>girl loses interest because I don't have sex on the first date
weak

Random idea: how about asking girls at the mall or library or wherever for a ride home, and if they say yes, odds are they're into you and you invite them in for a drink when you get to your place.

>>33244731

>>33243090
>I just had too many negative experiences when approaching walking girls.
Could you expand on this? And since you imply you actually get dates from this, could you give us some tips?

>>33244325
Are you american? I think its just the American culture that everything is about money and dating is some primitive display of wealth on the man's side. Always shocked here and on reddit when people say how much they spend on dates, or imply they can't afford daring.

Guys, how do I stop hyperventilating?
I went inside my sister's room and sniffed a pair of underwear I found in her hamper, and she opened the door just as I put them down.
She seemed confused, but didn't accuse me of sniffing them. I got away with it, but I still can't slow my heart beat down, and now my back's tensing up. I feel like I'm dying. What do I do?

How do people establish romantic relationships? I don't understand. Feels so unachievable to me. I know how to build a career and earn alot of money, how to get fit or learn a foreign language, but getting a girlfriend is an unknown concept. I wouldn't care if I wasn't getting older (turn 33 tomorrow).

There is a couple of places I get out regularly, but no success so far (More than a year). Only one girl from my circle and she didn't like me despite all my efforts and courtship. And I thought I was a good bf material. After her, no girl appeared in my life so far. Afraid I will die alone. I want alot of kids and also want to experience life with a woman, like people in their 20s do. I guess only younger girl in her early to mid 20s will suffice, but I doubt many of them would like to date an old dude. Feel like a creep even looking at them.

Hate my life and decisions I made which led me to this situation.

>>33244992
What usually helps me in those situations is reminding myself over and over "it is what it is, it's done, what's happened has already happened, and what will happen will happen, and all you can do is your best." The time to be nervous was during your scheme. Now that it's past, well, no point is stressing about something you can't control.

Otherwise, deep breaths through the nose and exhale through the mouth. Jack off. Take a shower.

>>33242632
>You mean tall enough, hot enough, with a big enough penis
I know short people who hit regularly.
I know people with small dicks that hit regularly.
I know people who look like gollum that hit regularly.
You are the problem retard.

I'm 30 but I look 25-27. Thinking about telling girls I'm 29 and if things develop further, I can easily chalk that up to a simple mistake, "oh haha, I miscounted a year." Or should I go further?

>>33245244
1. You're using the word 'hit' incorrectly.
2. Your word isn't to be trusted.

>>33245244
3. You failed to address the logical sequencing: i.e. those kinds of men 'hit' FIRST.

>>33245302
Never apologize to a woman.

>>33243090
I am approach anxiety maxxxed
But this is how I would approach that situation

When you see someone you like, just focus directly on them, and as fast as possible approach.
I think speed is the game

Another easy tactic isl, you stand for a little bit where there's traffic and when cute girl walks near you call them (works well in non-wide walkways)
Like you stop for a little bit looking which seems natural when about to ask for directions

>>33245244
4. Claiming that gollum small penis short MEN 'hit' more than tall, hot, big penis MEN do is pure bullshit.

>>33244325
honestly, right, a girl either likes you or doesn't
but, trying to split the bill with real baddies is not going to work
once you get higher quality girls you'll see that the awkwardness of trying to split the bill is not worth it
you just smoothly pay for the whole thing and the friction is gone

>>33245385
Oh for sure, of course I'm gonna pay for the coffee or drinks. I just meant I'm not taking a girl I'm not already with to dinner and a movie or whatever. Coffee/drinks -> my place, or outright "hey, wanna come over for a drink/hangout?" works plenty well enough for me.

>>33241018
I mean I'd say you're right if I was just trying to mindlessly smash, but in this case I think she's genuine marriage material. If my ex ended up with a friend of mine, and they were genuinely compatible and happy together, I'd be upset at first but in the end I'd get over it and appreciate that two people I care about are happy

>>33245401
ok yea that's perfecrt
I kinda do hate dinner and food dates, because of the awkwardness of having to eat and converse at the same time
drinks makes so much more sense for talking

Something funny happened that I wanted to share. I've been seeing a girl for 2 months and I wanted to ask her to go to brunch with me so phrased a text "Let's go get bunch on x date" because I've read gay pua guys say you shouldn't ask and should be more direct with dates ect. She told me that she'd prefer if I didn't do that kind of thing and asked her or invited her instead of stating it and she'd respond better to a question because the demand is makes her respond negatively.
It kind of goes to show you how that kind of game stuff is retarded and doesn't work..and Im happy my girl is direct enough to say this.

>>33244992
>sister's
Bro

>started aggressively pursuing anyone I found even moderately attractive at any opportunity
>in line at the post office
>in the aisle at walmart
>at the gas station market
>walking down the sidewalk
>got ~20 phone numbers last week
>texting/calling several women daily
>have a date tomorrow night and another saturday night
>saturday night girl actually brought up drinks herself

it turns out it is possible to get laid bros. we live in a pandemic of underfucked women.

>>33246356
I've noticed this for a while. In my friend groups, the women keep subtly mentioning how men never ask them out and it would be really nice if ANYONE would man up and ask them on a date. Same on subreddits about dating now, I swear they used to be 100% men, but now there's loads of women asking how to get men to approach them. Men just seem sorely lacking in testerone these days though, they just want to play video games.

>>33246356
Very based. Any tips or advice? Details on how your encounters usually go?

>reading at library
>cute woman saw me enter and sit down
>she gets up to go to the bathroom for a bit, then when she returns she sits in the table two spots in front of me, directly in my line-of-view
>takes her hair down, definitely getting me going
>notice a ring on her left-hand ring finger
??? wtf

>reading at library
>weird guy sees me and sits down
>try to avoid him by going to bathroom, but when I return he's still there, it'd be awkward to ignore him in case he returns so I sit a normal distance from him
>test if he's a danger by letting my hair down
>he looks at my ring
??? wtf

>girl in a relationship
>not interested in petty shit like breaking it up
>know it won't last anyways
>just want to be there at the top of the list when it inevitably ends
Any advice for playing the long game?

>>33248021
lel

>>33248112
Stop being a vulture. Retards like you are the reason women have unlimited options. She;s a crashsite, i'd say stay away, but there's 100 other hungry vultures ready to pounce. Men are the reason women are garbage desu. We stared to far into the abyss, and the abyss started shaking it's ass at us.

>>33248173
its*

>>33232939
Go to north western Europe and go for short blonde women. They love black men

>>33247894
be chad

>>33233333
Maybe, but what choice do you have? Unless you're some perfect chad with the perfect life, you must do a little bit of lying.

>>33233629
Don't make it official. Keep her guessing. Be mysterious. See other chicks on the side.

>>33248344
That's the thing, I *am* good-looking, I just don't have anything to say to random people. At this point I'm willing to try just asking for the number and dipping asap

>>33233791
If I can be a virgin at 24, why can't at least some women?

>>33235308
It's normal for a man. Women gatekeep sex, men gatekeep relationships.

>>33236618
What the flying fuck are you talking about. I'd rather not be around either.

>>33236977
You're too old for pedophiles anon. Normal women prefer men their own age.

>>33240819
>thinly veiled racebait
Do not engage anons

>>33245113
Honestly, some men are just ngmi. There are more men than women, men are more disposable than women, evolutionary pressures only affect men, not women. It only follows that some men just won't measure up. Romantic intimacy just simply won't be part of their lives. They will not be hugged, kissed, loved. Men like this used to become great scientists, artists. But they would always live short, lonely, and miserable lives. It's entirely possible that you might be one of them anon.

>>33248112
If you think sitting around waiting for someone to end a relationship so you can start yours and assuming it will work because "it's not gonna last anyway" isn't petty, well...

It's okay to like a bitch. It's okay to love a bitch. But nothing could make a bitch want you less than you lying in wait for her relationships to end so you can go in for the kill.

If you get along, be friends and flirt. If you don't get along like that, still flirt. Put the idea of dating her out of your mind. You should be finding other women to focus on that can give you what you want.

I'm at an age now where my already declining sexdrive for women gets easily overpowerred by my disdain for them

>>33230560
Fag

>>33248616
You're like 60?

>>33248112
Indirection is the key to seduction. Plant ideas through insinuation, never make your interest easily discernable as romantic, pursue other women, be charming, pay attention for indirect cues.

I approached a hot chick in a bar i was really into. Said that i like her style and she's cute and if she wants to grab a drink sometime. She said that in few days maybe but she can be busy but she gave me her Instagram and i started following her.

She accepted my request next day and i asked her about meeting up/grabbing a drink and she said that these days she's busy but will try to find some time and i just told her to let me know when we can meet.

It's been like 3 days since then, should i just wait or remind her soon or give up? I thought that if she wanted to ghost me or ignore me she could just reject or ignore my IG request or just not respond so it doesn't make much sense.

>>33249366
>in few days maybe but she can be busy
she is signalling right away that shes unavailible. dont bother continuing. thats the very first thing you should have paid attention to. now youre in a ghosting situation

>>33249414
Why then she didn't just NOT accept the request next day and why she liked my messages and replied to me?
If she wanted to ghost, she could have just ignored me.

>>33249366
another thing to add, they dont like to communicate directly. u really have to read between the lines like this >>33249414
it will save u alot of headache

>>33249429
>Why then she didn't just NOT accept the request next day
maybe she just wanted a free follower.
>why she liked my messages and replied to me?
i dont have an answer for this one.
the point is, its best to keep an open mind about these things. gtg and good luck

>>33249455
>maybe she just wanted a free follower.
Not to overthink it but i meant that she started following me back. I started following her when i met her, so if she just wanted a free follower (for whatever reason, she didn't have that much followers really) then she still could have just ignored me. Also first she proposed Telegram but as i don't use it she gave me IG instead.

>>33248384
Why are blacks allowed to date 16-19 year old white women and take their virginity but me as a white person is shamed for wanting to have that and lose my virginity to a white girl that is legal aged ?

How do I ask the Hispanic neighbor I keep passing down the street and saying hi to to introduce me to her young daughters? bring 'em out!

>>33249580
You can do whatever provided you're good-looking enough. anyway, who cares? When I was 25, I started dating an 18 yo high schooler coworker

People keep telling me to date women, but dating makes me feel even worse and depressed because I get invested in women and then things don't work out.

>>33249597
I’ve been witch hunted for saying 18-24 year old are attractive. I have a target on my back everywhere I go.

>>33248616
My disdain for them is already pretty high at 33.

>>33249613
Then you must look too old and/or not be attractive enough, sorry. But also depends who you ask. There are people who think Leonardo DiCaprio is creepy for dating 18-19 yos

>>33245113
I got no idea. I'm 33 as well, never been on a relationship or dated, finally feel good about myself, make a great salary, I don't look bad nor dress terrible anymore, yet it feels like I'm still pretty much invisible to women.

It is what it is I guess. If nothing happens in another year I'm gonna just give up and go heavier into saving cash and my hobbies.

>>33245373
When you see someone you like bum rush them, tackle them to the ground at full speed

>>33249649
>invisible to women
Why do you retards never listen? !YOU! HAVE TO ASK WOMEN ON DATES.
No woman is ever going to walk up to you and ask you on a date, YOU ask THEM.

>>33249712
Kinda hard to on apps if you don't get matches, retard.

>>33249626
I had plastic surgery to look more attractive and still can’t get a date I cold approach and always get rejected. White women never make eye contact but I still yell excuse me, and try to ask for coffee dates and they say they have a boyfriend, or “I have somewhere to be I’m going to be late can you leave me alone”.
I try to smile at white women but they avoid looking at me. I’m white myself.

>>33249764
Oh, hmm. I'm sorry to hear that, anon. Maybe you're misjudging and going after ones who are too young. I don't know, man, just start going after older women I guess. You don't have to date too old, but, y'know, 25-30?

>>33250343
I lowered my standards I asked out a 32 year old chick with tattoos and high body count and she kept moving the date over to the next week and after a month when it was time for the coffee date she didn’t show up.

>>33250347
Well, now you're making me feel really bad for you, anon. Wish I could let you borrow my racemix'd looks for a week, you'd get laid no problem with those youngins. Um, I don't know, maybe you're doing something really wrong. Do you have any friends you could go out to a bar with sometime, and try hitting on chicks in front of them and see if they notice you're doing anything detrimental to your efforts?

>>33250355
No, no white woman wants to be my friend, I figure women only want to be friends with people they want to have sex with. Wish I could have my life long dream and have a pale white gf that’s not fat, tatted, pierced. I’m not even fat, I’m 215 pounds and 6’8

Don't know if anyone still cares, but I'm the anon that posted this. >>33241290
I decided,>>33241342 is right. I'm going for her consciences be damned.
For those that told me not to, I'm going to explain why.
>>33241432
>there are plenty of women who exist who you are completely attracted to. Go try and date them.
I don't think I got the idea across the first time. I am attracted to her. I would describe her as pretty. I'm just realistic.
There's a difference between the Hollywood star and an average person.
And I'm not marrying anyone just because they're pretty.
Besides, I described my last girlfriend as a looks match before I started dating her. Then I simped for to the point that she was the only girl I could think about. So even if I just think "oh you're pretty" it won't stay that way.
>>33242985
>you have no idea how to deal with it
maybe I don't. But the same could be said about me. I can't fix her, she can't fix me, but maybe we don't need to fix each other. We can just be two fucked up people.
>She will chew you up, cheat on you and leave you heartbroken
As of right now, I am getting zero bitches. This is a risk I think I have to take.

So, here's the plan.
I got 15 days before I switch departments.
She mentioned last week she wanted to swim in a pool other than our workplace.
I have access to a university pool, so I plan on inviting her there.
Alternatively, I can ask about July plans and invite her to a local fireworks display.
Either way, on Monday, I just need to make myself have a conversation with her that leads to this.
Am I over thinking this? Am I trying too hard?
Is there a way to silence any voice of caution in my head without resorting to alcohol?

>>33250363
You don't have any female coworkers you could go out for drinks with? That's always a good starting point.

>>33250366
>>She mentioned last week she wanted to swim in a pool other than our workplace.
>I have access to a university pool, so I plan on inviting her there.
Solid plan.

>>33250370
No, only racemixed women talk to me at work, and if white women see me out with them, they will see me as pathetic and not want to bother dating me. Also I don’t drink alcohol I’m straight edge. I’m allergic to cigarettes too.

>>33250379
>they will see me as pathetic and not want to bother dating me.
lol your mind has been poisoned

Well, I'm not sure what else I can say. I don't really wanna comment on your looks since you got facial surgery, so all I can say is I hope they worked. Outside of us meeting up and hanging out and seeing what you're doing wrong, there's not much I can really say at this point. Drop your standards? Maybe you're only approaching total bombshells? idk man

>>33250404
Only the women I describe are attractive

>>33250416
Yes, I get it, white, thin, purity. Maybe you should start going for larger girls, even if just for the practice and experience.

Or you could try attending church. That could help you meet some people, build your social skills. Maybe look up some singles nights in your city/town?

Cn someone please explain why women with sisters don't do incest themed content on only fans it would give you such a leg up over the competition

>>33250539
also can the lesbians tell me if this is this an accurate depiction of female same sex relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz53zt8yEg8

>>33250539
>>33250543
oh wait wrong thread

>>33250434
Can’t do fat women they have ugly feet, I can’t get off to fat people. It’s not a double standard I am not fat.

help me
>haven't dated ever
>early 30's
>built social skills through college by religiously beating down my autism with observational learning, mindfulness, and forcing myself into an industry that REQUIRES you be on your shit socially
>i respect boundaries and do my best to not be a creep, slowly became witty enough to flirt
>still have no fucking idea what cues to look for that a woman wants to date me

I get the basic attraction indicators that get thrown around like tussling hair, biting lips, the head down smile with a little blush, I just can't for the life of me understand if a woman just wants that. If I get it wrong, it's like I assaulted them for trying and they stop talking to me entirely. Doesn't matter how I try to tell them it's not a big deal, I understand, etc.

I feel like I'm in one of those videos where they balance the cupcake on the dog's nose and I forgot the command to eat it.

>>33250881
Forgot to mention I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about 'hanging out' or 'going out' somewhere. I'm actually having some people over tonight and I'm afraid I'm going to ruin it with this one girl I've been talking to if I ask her out.

Can you geta girlfriend/be a good boyfriend even if you really suck at texting?
I text to give or get information. I can't read feelings and shit over text. And emojis could be egyptian hieroglyphs for all i care as i cant understand them other than the smiley face
>yes i do have top tier autism

As a man, could I ever get away with being a "passenger prince" so to speak? I fucking hate driving. I have never liked it and it inflicts insane amounts of stress on me. I can do it if the routes are simple but the second highways get involved or high urban traffic, I lose my nerve. Unfortunately this is impacting my dating life because it seems like most women want to be toted around. Luckily the few dates I have had recently, I haven't had to pick the woman up from her house or whatever. We just met at the location. I worry though about having to actually pick up the woman because I am just an anxiety ridden mess. Not even sure what to do. I don't want to embarrass myself by having to do some sort of rare driving maneuver like parallel park. I have parallel parked a single time in my life(for the driving test) and thats it.

>>33250783
same; i lost a fuck ton of weight this year and look good. i'm not fucking lowering my standards for someone that can't do the bare minimum of not shoveling food in their mouths.

Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real gender war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

>>33251197
women have only themselves to blame. social media and every retarded woman has convinced the average chick that somehow they're only deserving of the top % of men.

Just how braven do you have to be to actually meet new women and go on dates? A big issue I have is just meeting women to even TRY to date. I use dating apps a lot which I hate because they don't work but I feel like if I quit the apps then my attempts at dating for the year will go down to zero. A was talking to a buddy and I asked him how he met his wife and he said he just went up to a woman he liked in the gym because she had nice breasts and he started talking to her. I could never do that feel good about doing that. He definitely loves his wife but its just funny that the one thing that got him to talk to her was her breasts. But the point is that he literally knew nothing about her besides her breasts looked nice and that went to the same gym.

>>33248369
Probably because I need to convey it instead of banter about it. Please stop getting defensive. My intention was to help, not go into one of these violent rage spiels you notice certain individuals go into. If you can't look past that, I apologize for reminding you of your trauma, and I move on.

I was working and a pawg customer said "thanks sweetheart" very quietly when going into the fitting rooms. Was she flirting? I was getting attraction vibes from her the few times she came there to try stuff on. She was probably from New Zealand.

>>33250783
well, best of luck then, anon. Like I said, all I've got is go out with a male friend and hit on a girl in front of them and ask them what they think you're doing wrong

>>33251090
I have for the most part, yeah. Most girls drive these days so it's nbd provided they like you enough.

Should I attempt to seduce a woman who's already dating someone? How do I even go about stealing her affection away from her current boyfriend? It seems she's not particularly happy with him so I was thinking the next time they get into an argument I'd make a move, but then again it may just be more trouble than it's worth.

>>33251690
treat them like any other girl
and invite them out
girls are always trying to go for the best option
and that's you right?

>>33251725
Of course. As arrogant as it sounds, I think I am a better pick than some old guy she's dating. You're right, why should I worry?

>>33251733
remember to ask her what's it like being in the perfect relationship

she will then list all the bad things about her relationship to you

How do I pull a sorta chubby gym girl? I think I'm getting eye contact from her, but have no idea what to open with that isn't potentially offensive or about fitness. I thought of asking if she's just here for the summer, as like a joke, but that might come off wrong

>>33252140
I am shy around talking to women I don't know, but one day a super cute girl was using the machine I wanted. I waited for a while but I had no idea when she'd be done so finally I just walked up to her and asked her how many sets she had left, but I was smiling genuinely and nicely when I asked. She smiled genuinely and nicely back and we both kind of just smiled at each other.

But I'm a pussy so I just nodded and walked away. I guess the takeaway though is if they're into you you could ask anything

>>33250366
Anon you're not understanding and that's my fault for not being clear. I'm also giving very esoteric advice about dating you don't typically hear.

>I don't think I got the idea across the first time. I am attracted to her. I would describe her as pretty. I'm just realistic.
I've been attracted to girls that aren't my type, like heavier girls, or black girls. I asked if you were COMPLETELY attracted to her.
>I would describe her as pretty. I'm just realistic.
>There's a difference between the Hollywood star and an average person.
It is realistic to be completely attracted to someone who doesn't look like a Hollywood star. My fiance doesn't have tits (AA cup), she's petite (5'1), skinny (fuck yes), and has a great, tight ass (fuck yes). She's no Gwyneth Paltrow, she's no Isabela Moner, she's no xyz. I am completely attracted to her. She's better than them.

If you are decent or above average, and you don't fuck up your career trajectory or job prospects, you will be tempted down the line by a pretty girl. It's inevitable. It's happened to me, it's happened to many men I've known. If you are completely attracted to your girlfriend, you can resist those temptations much more easily. You don't hear men talk about this, but I'm here to tell you, it fucking happens.

>And I'm not marrying anyone just because they're pretty.
Of course not. You marry someone because you love her. But if you're completely attracted to her, you'll be less tempted to ruin your marriage. Trust me, this is among the best advice you'll ever get. If you're not thinking to yourself how much you want to tear off this woman's clothing, then you should put your dating efforts to another woman. You don't have to reply, I'm not arguing with you I'm just trying to save you from making a mistake MANY men make.

There's this girl I met in rehab. She's super smart, she's a physics major, has an impeccable sense of aesthetic and fashion. We bonded over chess. Before you say anything, yeah, I know, rehab. But who cares. As soon as I met her I knew I wanted to marry her. She knows I'm bisexual and doesn't seem to care, she seems to like weirdos. She has that Emily Dickinsonian autism. We still keep in touch nowadays. What do?

>>33253618
"Hey, how's it going?"
"Wanna hangout/grab a drink this weekend?"

>>33251197
hahahaha based

>>33253620
She's too smart for that, anon. She'll see right through me, with her laser-precision eyes like a hawk. I have to be more calculating, more clandestine.

>>33253618
>>33253620
Also, I feel like I should mention, she's 18 and I'm 27.

>>33253624
...what does that even mean? You plan on date raping her? The idea IS to be upfront about your intentions. If she says yes, you're in and you know it. If she says no, you can move on.

The longer I'm on this planet, the more I realize this shit is just down to luck. It doesn't matter what you look like, what you do, who you are, it's pure fucking luck and fate whether you get a gf or not.

>>33253643
A girl can absolutely hate your guts and still sleep with you as long as you're persistent. Remember this

>>33240815
>in Japan
>can't get a girl
>in Japan
also,
>maybe the fact that I am charismatic and American is off-putting to these girls

hey this is gonna sound like a dumb question, but how much should i hide my power level around a girl? I feel like if I hide my entire power level, I'm just not one for conversation. For instance, if a girl says she likes the thought of moving to New York, do I say how much I hate New Yorkers? Do I call it Jew York? Do I say that they're all daddy's money little faggot bohemians? Do I say that New York is a simulacrum of a real economy?

>>33253740
Seriously, anon? I think you know the answer. Follow your gut, your romantic and social instincts which have been inherited by scores of generations of your ancestors reproducing, and not your need to spew out uninformed, half-baked autistic nonsense you picked up off of /pol/.

>>33253748
I am asking because I legitimately do not know the answer. Do I hide my power level fully?

>>33253759
If it's something you have to ask about, you probably should not say it.

>>33253763
But won't it come out eventually in the relationship?

>>33253771
Oh, someone you're with a bit different. You'll be able to make a determination based on a variety of factors: comfort level with the partner, their agreeability and sensitivity on such matters, etc. For example, I've dated girls where we disagreed on, say, immigration policies, and I immediately got the sense that it wasn't something we ought to discuss because it'd just result in a fundamental disagreement with no benefit and possible heated argument. Ya feel?

>>33253802
So you just lie the whole time?
I was just on the phone with a girl and she expressed fear at the prospect of having a teenage boy (she is not a parent.) She was like, "maybe if he transitions before he becomes a teenager." I just said, "he probably will with that attitude"

>>33253833
kek, what a world we live in

And no, I didn't say lie, just keep it within. I'd tell them I didn't have a problem with Trump's policies on immigration when the topic came up, she'd reply with something and we'd both feel the tension of disagreement, and then we'd move on, no need to pursue it because what's the point? Maybe if you're in a long-term serious relationship where the goal becomes making each other better people and sharing your worldview, but if you're in that kind of relationship, you don't need this kind of advice because you'll know your partner and the situation well-enough as is.

>>33253643
Well max out your luck then
>Be out instead of at home
>Make eye contact at everyone rather than avert gaze
>Ask stupid questions to the cashier/receptionists/support instead of self-servicing
>Have a gander at local community events, even if you don't give a shit
I'm also on this luckmaxxing mode to no avail, but you can't win if you don't play

>>33251090
Buy a racing wheel and a copy of BeamNG. Run the driving tutorials until you ace them, then turn on a podcast or something in the background and drive around like a maniac. Once you can drive well as a maniac, the regular road feels extremely safe.
t. had the same problem but it's gotten to the point those skills have saved me from SEVERAL accidents (keep in mind this is shitlanta and someone is forever tailgating or almost sideswiping you)

>>33253771
>won't she be disgusted by my racism eventually?
yes
>b-but (((them)))!!!
stop being a fucking idiot

>>33253643
What's up to luck is whether the person in front of you is someone you can form a connection with. But you can easily increase the quantity of favorable encounters by simply meeting more people.

>>33254134
>not being racist
>in the current year
Ok gramps, time for your nap!

>>33253771
Yes. But don’t lead with it up front. I asked my gf on our second date if she was a spic, she got all bug eyed and laughed, and we’ve been together 3 years now.

>>33254207
>first date
>making your racism your personality by shoving it into every conversation
retard

>>33230500 (OP)
Is it normal to get semi hard when over-confidently rizzing girls? It makes me feel potent, so I get hard, the type of hard when I steer the wheel on the super-highway, it's not even sexual, but it makes me feel awkward and like a perv (wich I am not).

>>33254218
Nah. It was topical, because her family is from Spain and her dad hates Mexicans bc of it. You’re just bad at life. gg no re

>>33254227

>>33254218
was in reference to the first comment he replied to,
>>33254134

not just a retard, but a confident retard

>>33254251
So you replied to the wrong post and I’m the retard? K.

>>33254280
>i am a tourist who can't read the post system here
>probably doesn't even have 4chanx
go back, you have to be 18 to post here

>>33254337
>gaslighting
>projection
>leftist freak
checks out.

>>33254367
>gaslighting
making /pol/ your dating identity is a genuinely bad idea
>projection
nigga what
>leftist freak
keep your kool kids klub treehouse, fuck screaming leftoid twats, fuck politics in general. it is not and will never be a good idea to say that shit on a first date.

>>33254382
I think your real identity should be your dating identity, but hey, you do you.

>>33254422
>the anon that asked said she didn't know anything about his politics
>hey should i make a bunch of jew jokes out of nowhere that are fart-and-huddle-under-the-blanket-together-and-smell-it in jokes from a fringe community on mootopia?
context is important

>>33253991
I don’t think you understand what “luck” is anon.

>>33254434
>a bunch of jew jokes out of nowhere that are fart-and-huddle-under-the-blanket-together-and-smell-it in jokes
What a bizarre turn of phrase. Do people actually talk like this?

ultimately, if you read my original comment, you’d know I agree that a person should not flex their power level on the first date. But I just don’t think racism is the third rail it used to be 20 years ago.

>>33254472
based response

>Ask girl out to a place tomorrow
>Thought of a nice garden, because she mentioned she has visited a ton of gardens around our city
>Get told "Oh I've already been hahah"
>Think, ok, I just asked a girl out and her only answer is "I've already been", seems like a pretty big clue as to what's the answer
>Say "Taking that as a no then"
>No biggie, close phone, thinking nothing of it, it happens
>Get another text "I'm meeting my sister at another place, ANOTHER day tho"
>Think, ok she's leaving the option open purposely, surely this is good, no?
>Then get another message "Have fun tho!"

Like, what the fuck

>>33230500 (OP)
I am going to firmly reject women all of the time. I will abuse of the natural superiority of intelligence and strength endowed to me as a man and treat women like pushovers, except they are older than me, under the condition that they have kids. I will stutter when I talk, I will publically make shizo ramblings, I will make fascist talking points, and call myself a democrat. I will shamelessly stare at their sexy butts, jaw open. I will be an absolute jerk, and hopefully, I will die alone, kissless hugless virgin, on that hill.

>>33254472
oh, well fuck. guess i was wrong, but i stand by the spirit of what i said
>>33254478
this is one step away from samefagging if this was over /pol/ solidarity

>>33254572
Ask if you can bring another close friend or sibling and go together. Less pressure since you're not alone, can still talk, have close friend/sibling as support or to help you isolate her so you can talk alone for a bit.

>>33231769

Get dating out of your head and only focus on chatting up women on random shit, spend lot of time around them to where you don't even have to think about talking to a rando then you should start thinking about dating.

>>33232133
>Where the fuck can zoomers find women

Get a 30+ Mummy gf. Older women are usually grossed out by guys their age and want some young dick.

>>33254690
I don't get your suggestion
I don't think her issue is feeling uncomfortable to be alone with me, as we've done that plenty, I think she either completely missed the fact I was asking her out (which I can somewhat believe because she has had a few autistic moments in front of me) or she understood I was asking her out but doesn't know how to say no properly and accidentally left the door opened

>>33233312
>So living with parents (especially your mum) is instant pussy repellant, but I really want to keep saving money and not live with some random normalfaggot. If I want pussy as a 26 year old man I HAVE to be a rent cuck yes?

Lie about your situation.

>>33233903

Let her do the work.

>>33254710
oh she's autistic
She might literally have been there and simply answered your question. Maybe she wanted to ask you somewhere but didn't feel confident, so she got her sister to help her with something along the lines of 'if you tell him where you're going he'll ask to go on his own.' You run a risk of hurting her if she expected you to ask to come along. Complete guess, but her sister may even be coming along for moral support.

If you like her, I would at least ask her what's so special about the one she's going to and say you'd love to go at some point, asking if you can tag along. If she says no, she may just not want to divide her attention between family time and how she appears to you.

>>33233312
Tell them you like being close to family and it makes much more financial sense to stay at home. Pay your parents rent. Have other responsibilities. Make yourself appear as a tenant, not a shitstain who they don't have the balls to kick out.

>>33233312
I live with my mum and still get girls.
Course it’s more like a castle than a house, so there’s that.

>>33254752
I think you're misreading the entire situation from what I wrote

The messages go a little something like this very rough translation:
>You know that X Garden, near Y? I'm going tomorrow, and I thought about our previous convo in regards to the gardens around town, wanna come with?
>Oh I've already been to Garden X haha
>Okay, I'll take that as a no then hahah
>Tomorrow I'm gonna meet up with my sister at Z, sorry another day tho
>Have fun tho! The X is beautiful

I do believe she has been there, that's not the point, what I'm trying to figure out is between messages 4 and 5, what the fuck am I meant to read from that?
She clearly shot me down in terms of the outing, the "sorry another day" opened up a door for me to ask again, but then she literally pushes me to go by myself again with the 5th and last message

Were she to ask me the same thing and I had the same commitment and I didn't want to go (because I'm not interested and already been) I would have just said something as simple as "No, sorry, already been" and left it at that

>>33255354
Again, with the autism thing, she was probably just saying what she was literally thinking. I don't think there's any subtext there. Either that or she felt awkward for letting it slip she's going to one without you later. I would be more concerned if she hadn't said 'Have fun tho!'

helooo ladiess i am 30 years old and have never experienced intimacy okay im going to get a lady now . which website is the best website for getting a lady? i want a wife not a fling

nevermind i dont really care

A rag and chloroform is way cheaper than wining and dining.

>>33255913
based
but what people want is not sex to cum
it's sex to feel wanted

No woman is single.

>>33230500 (OP)
>be me
>34
>tradie
>make good money, but work quite a bit
>5'6"
>have approached numerous women over the past 10 years
>met with constant rejection
So when does being relatively successful and pursuing a woman for marriage finally fucking pay off? No, I dont go to escorts or prostitutes because cumming in a meaningless hole isnt worth my dignity. I've been celibate for a fucking decade now, trying my ass off and yet here I am. Mid 30s, single no kids, no woman. I'm on the verge of renting out my house and moving back in with my parents and converting their detached garage into a space to live to lessen my expenditures. Why? Because why live in a 1200 sq. ft. 3bd/2ba ranch style home when I dont need all that shit? When does this shit happen, guys? Just drove home from getting a drink with my buddy and I was fighting myself not to floor it into a tight turn and smack a tree head on to get away from this shit.

>>33254471
What is luck to you?

should I go out to a bar tonight and try to talk to girls or just ride my motorcycle around town

the last few times I've gone out I didn't see a single girl or group I could approach

>>33230500 (OP)
What do I do when some girl gives me fuck me eyes?
I always know I need to say/ do something, but I also always draw a blank and end up doing nothing. I hate taht so much IÄm even going out less because of it. Always the same shit.

>>33256624
Easy. You just approach, say hey, yada yada yada, wake up the next morning with her lying next to you. Nah, when you figure out, let me know. I've thought about just asking for the number outright and dipping, because I have nothing to say to strangers anymore, but some here disagree with that approach.

>>33256094
I'd just prefer to feel the pleasurable sensations of semen being ejaculated from my penis.

>>33256647
Ever since covid I can actually small talk liek a waterfall, I think the isolation and alck of human contact permanently turned me into a blather machine upon release. I'm just so tense and grasping fo rthat special thing to say taht I can't in that situation.

A girl I'm talking to just told me she's on birth control, but yesterday she told me she's never had a bf before. Why does she need birth control then?

>>33257010
There are other health benefits for a girl. Plus being prepared for when she does get laid. Lastly, doesn't mean she hasn't had casual sex before.

>>33256094
yeah, not even sex to be honest, the closeness more than anything

>>33256094
>>33257125
That, and I just like making the girl feel good. Makes me happy to see someone I've with happy and feeling pleasure. Hmm, maybe that explains why most girls are fine not having an orgasm everytime, though it personally bums me out if they don't and we've been in a relationship for a while.

>>33235954
>I always got the feeling she was never that into Mark
Shes a monkey brancher and will do the exact same thing to you. Avoid like the plague.
In case that being a backstabbing piece of shit just for a lousy crumb of pussy is not enough for that. Bah.

So what’s the go if a woman says “I’m not ready for a relationship right now” but is clearly still attracted to you? I think she’s worth waiting for, we both enjoy our time together (she’s a coworker) but I’ve also set myself a time limit for when I need to move on if nothing more happens between us. Thoughts?

>>33257523
In what context did she say it? I'm guessing you asked her out and she said that? If so, how are you sure she's attracted to you then? That's often a line girls use as a polite out, I've been told it before. But I suppose it could be true too. In that case, I'd say date around anyway.

What do I do if every aspect of how I want to live my life is incompatible with what women want? Should I just give up on getting a gf at this point or do I really have to cuck my own dreams and change myself to be what women are attracted to?

>>33257552
She said it a few days before our 3rd date. She’s pretty introverted and (from what I can tell) seems like she might get a bit of anxiety, so I’m actually inclined to believe it’s legit.

new thread
>>33259172
>>33259172
>>33259172

>>33258164
Well, there's two possibilities. 1) you blew it and she was letting you down kindly or 2) she only wanted something casual, you didn't make a move, and she doesn't want it to develop into anything more serious because she doesn't want a relationship