Thread 33511834

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33486844

Has anyone ever paid for a dating app for the purpose of finding a longterm relationship and succeeded? I'm not looking for a quick fuck but I really don't want to piss money away on something where that's all I'm gonna get either.

so I just found out it's 100% me. I'm the problem. they like me, they show interest. I'm just too stupid to interact with them properly. 29 years and I'm still a total goof.

the love game isn't meant for me, it never was. good luck dawgs. hope you make it!

How do I tell my gf to work on her hygiene without her getting upset? I can smell her breath and vagina from about 3-4 feet away.

>>33512032
Jesus christ dude thats fucking disgusting. Why are you with a person that doesn't have basically hygiene. Yuck. There's no way to tell her without being direct.

>>33511888
i got tinder gold like 6 years ago and met a girl that i dated for awhile and fell in love with, to give context i never had a problem getting matches even without the paid app and i wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for something serious. never had the same luck on there and got another match like her.

>>33512095
Well I definitely didn't get matches while free when I used whatever services I tried like 4 years ago, so I guess I'll just forget the idea. Thanks for the advice.

>>33512095
> i never had a problem getting matches even without the paid app
What are your stats? Post face pic?
The last time I got laid from Tinder was 2015. I had a pretty successful streak on Hinge earlier this year and got a couple hookups and a short term gf but during that same time nothing on Tinder.
I just want to be able to bang sluts man, all you incels lied to me, being 6'2" and having muscles doesn't mean shit

Continuing:
>>33509725
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually. Fuck it then I'm just gonna play this by ear. I know a few guys who pestered women to give them a chance, the previous relationship of my ex started out like that and that's part of reason she never quite earned my respect, but humiliating myself before a girl just isn't my style. I guess I should've mentioned we always talk on the bus on the way to work for about 10 minutes or so every day. There are other people she could sit besides on that bus, but she always sits next to me. Even after asking her out she still is sitting next to me. The vibes aren't awkward now either. But I'll think I'll just keep up the friendly talk for now while dropping some flirtatious lines now and then. See where this goes, maybe she wants to know me a bit better before going out. Who knows.

Though if another guy asks her out in the meantime and she accepts, I'll be really fucking mildly annoyed.

>>33512471
6'1 white skinny
i think i'm pretty average, not gonna post a pic but being 6'2 and in shape should have no problem getting pussy off apps
maybe it's different now, i haven't used them in years

>>33512032
Wear a subtle t shirt

>>33512512
So much worse. I came back after 6 years and maybe its just being older and most the good ones are married, but the difference in quality is insane.

>>33511834 (OP)
is it appropriate to simply text a girl who has never seen you irl hello and ask her for a date? I got no fucking clue how texting game works and I figure it's better to get to know someone in person.

>>33512967
Does she know who you are?

>>33513022
not really. female friend of mine gave her my number and she texted me first, but I shut down the convo instantly because I was at a bad place mentally and I'm afraid of women. It's been 4 months since then and I'm feeling lot better now. Basically she only knows me as a random guy in her dm's.

>>33513073
Maybe like
>hey it's x's friend we talked a bit few months ago but I was super busy back then how you doing?
Dont say you were having mental issues if that wasn't obvious, you were busy with work studies or whatever sounds legit.
If she responds favourably, you can ask her out pretty quick no need to talk for days. If she doesn't you still can nothing to lose really. She already assumes you're not a psycho murderer since you have a common female friend.

>>33513073
Try it, but I'm giving it a 1% chance of working

>>33511834 (OP)
where do i even meet women man, everyone is in a fucking friend group and none of them really want to speak to others

>>33511834 (OP)
You don't get women. Women get you. Just be enough high value amongst available pool of men and women will drop signs of interest. Women are just as shallow as mentioned, they just tend to hide it better.
That's why you see a handful of men fucking most of the women. If you can't make it to the top of available pool of men forget about it. Don't even try or put effort. Instead direct your energy, resources and money to other entertaining things in life like fucking prostitutes and playing video games.

I discovered that a girl I liked has three children from three different fathers.

What drives a girl to do this?

>>33513559
Nice try Mossad.

>>33511834 (OP)
"Hey girl, are you an organ trafficker? Because you stole my heart."

is that a good pick up line?

>>33513746
Pick up lines do not work. At best, you get a chuckle out of her.

>>33513567
Attracted to the wrong type of guy. Wham bam thank you ma'am x3

Stay far far away.

>>33513799
Pick up lines are just a means to break the ice with a pretty stranger, they’re not supposed to “work” i.e. make her instantly like you.

>>33513927
They're terrible for attracting and terrible for breaking the ice, but you use them at your own risk.

>>33511834 (OP)
Right, if i'm lean and know how to skateboard, how do i attract chicks in the wild.

Still lowkey feel like I‘m losing my mind. I‘ve heard the foid state that people my age are out of her dating range and yet she texts me a bunch of irrelevant stuff with a lot of emojis every day, answers quickly 90% of the time if she‘s not busy, I can summon her into voice chat within 2 minutes by just asking what she's doing and so on

Like if I was in the friendzone she wouldn‘t be that enthusiastic about spending time with me, and apparently only with me, right? Going to see her anyway and see if there is any chemistry, but I feel like I‘m going crazy and this is all in my mind. Hope I don't fumble this if she seems actually into me in person

>do well for myself
>stack good amounts of money into index funds month after month
>pt has been getting pretty good, hit 69 pushups, 63 situps on my pt test
>will pick up grades next
>whenever im stressed out or sad my brain just defaults to 'damn i want a gf' (obv if i just wanted casual sex only id probably just fuck hookers or something, i probably would like casual sex but my default state of being is just wanting to hangout with a chick, that i fuck as well)
>whenever i tell someone what my default baseline want is, they basically make fun of it. and i know the average person is a good person, so its a me problem. my fundamental wants are broken and maladjusted.
>tell a therapist, hey, im not interested in anything but wanting a gf. she says that's unrealistic and i have to find something else to be interested in
im fundamentally broken guys. im no good. no one else is the problem. better people at large would laugh at my fundamental wants. im a leftover of society.

>>33514596
Her being quick to respond and receptive doesn't necessarily mean romantic interest.

>>33514596
Just ask her out, treat it like a normal date, then try bringing her home. All that overthinking gets you nowhere

I've come here to say that I asked /adv/ for advice on how to start meeting girls/get a girlfriend, like, 15 years ago. I checked again, just for giggles, to see what this board still talks about.
People in general are too comfortable giving shitty advice. Advice they've not only never tried themselves - that would be bad enough - but advice they've never even heard of working.

Every single problem that ever plagued me, never stopped.
Every problem I ever described, grew, now taking over 10x the casualties.

The entire generation coming up will now deal with the problems I had to deal with, because of the obvious truth no one was willing to say:
Taken as a whole, women are evil retards. They download their personalities and opinions from movies, and try to change society to reflect that. They end up creating something that they (and men; but who cares???) hate, which they aren't held accountable for. They treat the majority of men like brutes, to shift around and do grunt work, only comparing themselves to the very top performing men. That last bit is where 3rd wave feminism came from, btw.
Their voting privileges need to be taken away before these things can improve.
The complete and utter collapse of online dating is a good start. Should've happened years ago. Only a long, long boycott will give said collapse any purpose though.

Unfortunately that does mean I'm just telling young men reading this, to just give up.
Others might tell you to go move to a small town and go to church, but I wouldn't. Because that's bad advice. Hobbies and piety are not your way into a relationship. Not one that won't meltdown on yo, anyway. And why believe there's a benevolent force that would let things get this bad? Don't start a relationship on a lie. Stick to practical solutions. Find something else that gives you peace of a kind. And boycott this bullshit. No it's not going to be any fun. But it's the most important thing you'll read on this board.

>>33514676
>she says that's unrealistic
what the actual fucking fuck

>>33512471
>I just want to be able to bang sluts man, all you incels lied to me, being 6'2" and having muscles doesn't mean shit

incels always say FACE and height

>>33514729
She did kinda make a few sporadic risque jokes here and there (which i didn't *really* do anything with because, for one, I don't know how she looks yet)

There's also e.g. her best friend asking me out of the blue how my dating life is. Just enough hints to make me think there could be something, but not enough to be sure

>>33511834 (OP)
I have become volcel, ignorer of pussy.
I have now
>Rejected an unattractive, needy, and insecure girl with a crush on me.
>Broken up with a looks match and nerdy girl who wouldn't hold my hand.
>Given up on anyone insanely beautiful.
>And been rejected on all other 100+ attempts.
I could've had the perfect personality for me, but without sex.
I could've had sex, without the love.
I have rejected both and opted into virginity.

Am I being unreasonable?

>matched with narcoleptic girl
>really cute, seems like a sweet person
wtf do I do bros? Should I keep going? I genuinely feel bad because I feel like she deserves someone who isn't a total retard like myself. I do feel a bit of connection but I'm still conflicted

>>33515784
Well the best friend thing is a good sign. Maybe keep pushing it, so to speak.

>>33516044
Why?

My advice on how to get women is based on my own experiences and basically boils down to something shitty but it’s what I’ve found

Just be physically attractive to them
Be interesting to them
Do not be overly emotional

That’s basically it. I have had health issues off an on in my life which have more or less tracked with getting dates. when I’m healthy and have some muscle mass and look good people come to me. When I feel shitty and my health issues not doing great and I lose weight people do not treat me the same. be attractive is a big part of it. I didn’t change inside but my outward looks did and this matters a lot. It sad but it’s the truth and it has made me jaded with how big of a deal this is because I have lived both versions.

Get hobbies you like and get good at them be someone who creates things or can make things other people can appreciate. this gives you a sense of mystery or something that women apparently like. don’t do this for women do it for you, all humans should learn how to be creative and do make things they want to make. People see you differently when you have this ability I find. it can be music or art or whatever. it’s not anything weird, I would be much more interested in a woman who has the ability to imagine something and to create it themselves. It’s an admirable quality.


don’t be overly emotional or too open, for some reason women really don’t like this despite what they say. I have been broken up with women for not opening up. Later in life I tried a different approach and was open about anything trying to just be a open book and I did not hide my emotions or worries and this never worked out well for me, women want you to be open but not too much to the point that they get the ick about something and I view that as a very performative level of openness. It’s kind of a joke. if you are struggling in life talk to your bros about it don’t talk to your gf about it they might leave

A friendly reminder to all hopeless and demoralised guys here that you don’t need to be a perfect 10 in all aspects to get sex or a girlfriend. Work on yourself but you can still find someone in the process. In fact it makes it so much easier when you have affection, silly as it sounds. WAGMI bro. Many average guys do just fine.

Except blackpillers. You self-hating faggots just want to sabotage others.

I want to meet people especially a girlfriend but I struggle so much in group settings. Like if run into someone in the elevator I can talk to them and have a nice conversation with them but in a group I find it really difficult to contribute. So I’m hesitant to try and do group activities to meet people. Any ideas?

>>33517223
it is a humiliation ritual for most men, though. and if you are sub5 you legit have no chance.

>>33517331
Hate to say it but this anon is right, the bottom half of guys aren't getting laid, except for the absolute ugliest third worlders because it's a fetish for white women

>>33517364
i was born in the states but left for the philippines when i was young, but i retained my american accent so at first you cant really tell i grew up in the philippines but white women always get more interested in me when i say i grew up in the philippines and if i start talking about stories of me living in the philippines

>>33511937
i feel you man, i have exactly the same feeling about me

How do you romance a girl properly? How do you initiate intimacy? How do you move on from friendship to romance? So many questions...

Does horny texting ever work? Sometimes I just want to hit up this girl who drifted away, and tell her in graphic detail how I'd like to smash her again.

But I think my dick is clouding my thoughts and I'm just really sexually frustrated right now.

Is it a bad sign if girls are sneaking their phone of you working out? I was doing a circuit and my shirt was drenched but I was going harder than anyone there.

>>33517331
>>33517364
Samefag blackpill troll.

>>33513559
>You don't get women. Women get you. Just be enough high value amongst available pool of men and women will drop signs of interest. Women are just as shallow as mentioned, they just tend to hide it better.

I know bros who have dead end jobs and get girls all the time, they just talk about normie shit . I am not sure how they do it beyond that.

>>33513746
>"Hey girl, are you an organ trafficker? Because you stole my heart."

Do not use pickup lines. Lol.

Sometimes I wonder if my parents were fucked up in some way that I didn't notice as a kid, and can't comprehend now, but they screwed up all of their kids mentally and now we can't form relationships. I have two siblings, and all of us are now in our 30s and not dating anyone at all. My one sibling is a complete asshole and can't keep anyone around; the other has been in a long series of relationships since their 20s (one might have even been a cult) but is now giving up to focus on work; and I'm just too pathetic and socially anxious to meet women. I had a gf for a while, but that was a fluke situation and won't happen again. Maybe I was just fucked from the beginning...

>>33517953
Chemistry isn't a science, sadly. It's different for everyone. There's a certain mystery to it all, and luck plays a huge roll. Autists can't accept that, and continually try to boil things down into an instruction manual.

Some people just have it going on, and that's great for them. Some people are just awkward, and that sucks for them. Sometimes you get lucky and a chick is interested in you for no reason you can understand. Sometimes a good thing turns bad and there's nothing you can do.

That's just life. You play the hand you're dealt. You can't teach someone this stuff.

>>33511937
Similar problem here. I’m hooking up with or sleeping with girls rarely, but at this point I’m seeing the signs all over and I know I should be getting girls WAY more than I am. I just don’t know what the Hell to say and if I don’t naturally vibe right out of the gate, it’s over for me. I need more practice socializing I guess, but all my friends moved out of state. There’s no one nearby I trust to not be a retard that I can just go “hey let’s grab a drink.”

>>33517978
>. Autists can't accept that

guess I'm a high functioning autist so I get that

>>33517993
>Similar problem here. I’m hooking up with or sleeping with girls rarely, but at this point I’m seeing the signs all over and I know I should be getting girls WAY more than I am. I just don’t know what the Hell to say and if I don’t naturally vibe right out of the gate, it’s over for me. I need more practice socializing I guess, but all my friends moved out of state. There’s no one nearby I trust to not be a retard that I can just go “hey let’s grab a drink.”

Just go out to bars to shoot some pool by yourself, gotta scope a few places out because most people are pretty loyal to a couple of places.

>>33517967
>and I'm just too pathetic and socially anxious to meet women.

The trick is to not give af, it's actually easy to talk to women least for me, the escalating sexually is what I struggle at, women love to talk and never stfu if you know what to get them to talk about.

>>33518026
>women love to talk and never stfu if you know what to get them to talk about

Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything. You're just one of her girlfriends at that point.

The guy who's fucking her isn't the guy she's yapping to about her drama.

>>33518071
>The guy who's fucking her isn't the guy she's yapping to about her drama.
Their boyfriends fill both roles, but I guess you're only thinking about one night stands.

>>33518126
With time and familiarity, yeah, bfs fill both roles. But if your courtship looks like her trauma dumping without ever putting out, that's not a good sign.

Gonna give you all the advice I give on /lit/, read up on deductive and inductive reasoning. A woman's implicit language will be clear if you do.

I'm 28, my gf is 23, and we've been dating for 9 months. She's my first gf and we lost our virginities to each other. She's cute, smart, and sweet, but I think she's boring. She doesn't care much for movies or music, and has bad taste in them. We haven't said we love each other. We both want to get married and have kids eventually. I miss the excitement of being in love with the BPD bitch I fell for in high school. Should I stick with the good girl, or will I end up ruining both of our lives?

>>33518721
do you consider yourself boring? is your gf your only source of entertainment?

does paying for dating apps make a difference?
I've been trying the free versions and while its only been a few days I have received 0 likes or matches and while I do refer to myself as "The Unwanted" I still feel it shouldn't be THAT bad
it also feels like there's less women in general on the apps?

>>33518866
paying makes no difference. dont get scammed. dating apps are the most shallow thing ever and i promise you wont find a girlfriend through a dating app. go to bars or bookstores or game stores and strike up conversations. learn body cues so you know if a woman is open to chatting with you.

>>33518873
problem with IRL approach is living in a crappy small town theres very few of those businesses and the women there are usually there with friends or other dudes, on top of the fact I don't know how to start convos with like literally anyone whereas online I can find single people and actually somewhat talk but yea, nothing

>>33511834 (OP)
> be me (ADHD, ASD, etc) at camp
> group (also mentally damaged ppl) decided to go public pool coz hot as hell.
> we chill in hot water, talk abt everything, music, traumas, etc.
>girl I like told us she had stiff muscles told to be by trauma
>tell her I can do massage for real (true!)
>gives her right in the pool shoulder and back massage as a pro
>she jiggles and moans, after a while she told it's enough.
>told her it was just a demo, in water the moves are limited (true!) She relpied maybe she will book another session.
>later day we sunbathe near each other then she starts to do yoga poses for a while chatting abt sport pasts and who can/could do what.
>aftere a while she have to go fr a scheduled program and I stay with the other 3 guys at the shore.
It was a week ago and I just realized now (I know...) Have I messed up my chance or had I chance at all? She is very touchy-feely with people tho

>>33518885
yeah if youre in a small town dating is basically impossible. are you open to moving? if not then maybe start with making more friends in general male or female to expand your social network. this will make it easier to meet people

>>33518896
To be HONEST if she is very touchy feely with other people she was probably using you for attention.

>>33518903
cant afford that or would have, yea the dating pool here, at least from the apps, is almost entirely land whales and single moms, or both, and I'm still not attractive to them, honestly international mail order bride sounds pretty good

>>33518906
>if she is very touchy feely with other people
Well, not with every people, but with her friends yes. Yesterday at a small party she arrived so late when ppl gone home and we stayed few hors more then. When ppl finally go she stayed at one of the guys we were in the group.
>To be HONEST she was probably using you for attention.
Thanks, I try to cope with that I never had a chance.

>>33518951
if you want to know for sure just ask her, are you into me at all. if she dances around a clear answer, you'll know that you were being used

>>33518958
>if you want to know for sure just ask her, are you into me at all.
well, my past experiences prove that's immediately kills any attraction even if there was before. A man should know if a woman is into you. Period. If not he is socially illiterate and insecure. Been there done that.

>>33518965
wrong. women can be very cryptic and difficult to read. its not 'unmanly' to not know if a girl is into you

>>33517223
>Many average guys do just fine
No.
They don't.

>>33518965
Okay but have you ever noticed that people who say 'period' and 'been there done that' are the absolute dumbest motherfuckers you've ever met in your life?

>>33519062
Honestly, never. I may be stubborn but never called dumb. Yet it's still a possibility.
( However that implicates other problem that if I have an engineering degree, IQ over 130 and yet I am still dumb, what chances have I at all in life? - Don't anwer it's just a philosophical question )

>>33519062
finger thumb tap

>>33519052
yes they do. every guy i see walking around with a girlfriend in hand is painfully average

>>33519083
>every guy i see walking around with a girlfriend in hand
Interesting that you should mention, because I don't see this happening very often anymore.

>>33519085
really? never in my life have i seen a hot guy with an ugly girl it has ALWAYS been the other way around

>>33519089
No no you misunderstand. I mean young couples in general.

>>33519092
ohhh, no yeah modern dating is COOKED. everyone one is chronically online, no one talks to eachother irl, dating has become transactional ("what can you do for me") and ive given up. but its not a male thing its a everyone thing

>>33519103
>but its not a male thing
I mean, is it? When women could instantly fix it overnight with a reasonable attitude adjustment?

>>33519120
you are acting as though men online do not call ugly girls subhuman and do not base a womans value purely on her looks. come on. and look at YOU! do you have a respectful attitude towards women? doubtfulll. and define the attitude adjustment in question.

>>33519135
>you are acting as though men online do not call ugly girls subhuman and do not base a womans value purely on her looks
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying.
If you're not fat, if you don't have piercings or tattoos, if the way you look largely wasn't within your control, it's not going to be what I would've picked right away, but I'm quickly going to get past that and be fair about it. Long term happiness may depend on it, after all.

Women don't have this.

>>33519140
women date ugly guys ALL THE TIMEEE. both genders have equally shallow and non shallow people. gender wars are gonna get you nowhere

>>33519092
>I mean young couples in general.

That goes even more for young couples though. The only difference is that a lot of guys in the younger generation are now seriously into fitness which transforms them from fat average guy to muscular average guy. Goes for younger girls too actually, way less chubby hoes now.

>>33519140
>Women don't have this.

This is the dumbest thing I've read on this site this week.

>>33519184
>women date ugly guys ALL THE TIMEEE
No.
>both genders have equally shallow and non shallow people
No.
>gender wars are gonna get you nowhere
And even here, no.

>>33519240
'no' is not a real comeback. you know deep down im right, but keep coping.

>>33519071
You're right, the way you are now you have no chance.

>>33519254
Why would I need a flashy comeback when the truth will do?

>>33519216
>way less chubby hoes now

>>33519216
>This is the dumbest thing I've read on this site this week.
It's exactly how it works. Women know right away whether they'll give any time to a man or not.

Any woman can give me one good reason to make an effort when most of y'all are mean, angry, bitter, boring, broke and poor, nasty, filthy, trashy, shallow, promiscuous, literally just whores? I find it extremely hard taking women serious...

>>33519440
then go fuck men or fleshlights if you hate women so much and stop whining

Stages of a woman opening your chest to kill you:
>wow anon you fucked me so well
>you have such a pokerface, you never smile, you're so mysterious and cool
>You make me feel safe
>I think about you all the time
>I love having my head on you
>I love you anon
>You're smiling, it's so weird hahaha...
>anon why are you so stupid?
>anon why don't you love me?
>You're a whore, aren't you?
>Anon we have to break up

Fuck women, dude.

I can see that my quality of girl has been going up by every girlfriend I've had
1st gf, maybe 5/10
2nd 6/10
3rd 6/10
4th 8/10
5th 10/10

I can't go back down can i?

>>33511834 (OP)
Find ways to properly frame yourself that is the truth, but worth engaging with.

Be honest but digestible and make sure you leave room in conversations for the other person to talk.

Aggress a little and back off and be a human being too. Flip back and forth semi-regularly, it's good to be playful - but your aggression shows interest. Aggression is like showing sexual interest, giving complements etc but not asking to fuck. If you don't know the difference it would be difficult to help you.

Be willing to smile and joke, but do not regularly self-deprecate yourself or make fun of them much if at all, especially until you know what they're sensitive about.

Do not be overtly negative or overshare negative opinions. No one likes a bummer. Being critical is okay but the framing is incredibly important - and when you are critical always leave opportunity to be wrong without just being wishy washy. Phrases like "I think" or "Perhaps" or followups like "But I'm not entirely sure" are good. Things like "But what do I know" or "But I'm just an idiot" or "But who cares" aren't good.

Look intentional. You might not be physically fit, but look like you take care about yourself and care about yourself. Look like you put effort into meeting people and having self respect. Showering, unwrinkled clothes, this type of shit is a no brainer.

If you can't stand to talk with someone, you're not compatible and you shouldn't want to get with them. If you can't stand to talk to anyone, part of the problem lies with you. Make your goal understanding someone, not just 'women' in general. You're going to have to extend a long olive branch if you haven't had many female friends.

Don't expect them to be masculine or share things in common with you in most ways. Don't expect them to like your friends and don't think they need to fit into how you normally are. Having a slightly different personality for a woman is normal, and she'll appreciate it

>>33511888
It works if you are decent with opening lines.
Roses on hinge with a good opener actually works.

Also apps in general that let you put down an opener are going to get more success, so stuff like Taimi also works if you like trans girls / dudes.

You should pretend that it could take up to 3 months to get responses though because people just aren't that consistently on the apps even if their profile is there or they're not in a place in their life to get to all the shit they're swamped with on the apps.

>>33519316
>It's exactly how it works.
No, this
>it's not going to be what I would've picked right away, but I'm quickly going to get past that and be fair about it.
>Women don't have this.
is total nonsense.

>>33512032
"Sweetheart (or whatever nickname you use), this is really hard for me to say and I know it'll make you uncomfortable but you tend to smell and I'd like you to figure that out - I don't know if it's your fault or medical or something and you don't need to be ashamed but I'd like it if you didn't smell because its hard to deal with at times and I don't want to have to have this response"

or some shit. She'll get a word in edgewise and freak out slightly or whatever but just manage her shame and if she insults you you're kinda fucked and just can't really fight back - just know you're in the right and you're gonna have to be gentle

>>33519477
Uh, I mean as an adult your standards for quality do go up because your standard of behavior is probably (hopefully) going up.

THat's a mixture of more things that just physical beauty. And your tastes and what you care about will change over time but I think you might be right that you'll just be looking for 10/10s. Its just todays 10/10 is different from a 10/10 when you're older, you just want to hit all those needs.

Also hopefully you're reasonable and don't want a 16 year old when you're 45 and can appreciate the beauty of a woman your age as a 10/10 lol

>>33511888
>>33512095
>>33512278
>>33512471

I got only a handful of matches without paying for it, however after paying not a lot changed honestly.

The most "successful" one was probably tinder, pic related.
I spent around 200$ on it I think.

Every girl I texted with was (pretended to be) surprised by how miserable it worked for me. Go

>>33517953
>I know bros who have dead end jobs and get girls all the time, they just talk about normie shit . I am not sure how they do it beyond that.

Really? They have dead end jobs and get girls? Damn. I wonder what their pick up line is!

If they can get girls with dead end jobs, then working in STEM, I sure can! I just so happen to be 5'6" with a recessed chin. But that's no problem if I figure out a good pick up line, right? If those guys, who probably just so happen to be tall, can do it, so can I! Just have to make it happen!

>>33519604
Shut the fuck up

>>33519616
that's a nice counter argument bro, you just convinced me, I guess all the guys who are successful with women just so happen to look good, and it's because they take showers

>>33519440
If you hate women so much, you can always suck dick.

>>33519440

you skipped genetics day. they are different to men who look a certain way. just rape them

>>33519625
shut up skank

>>33519622
It's true. You hate women so much, that you probably want to. Kol

>>33519625
Lol

>>33519450
That's what I said to him. Lol

>>33519668
what a fucking loser right? wah wah wah i hate women, why cant i get a gf, women are all whores, why dont women love me. its just whine whine whine

>>33519655
you are a foid. i will not accept being denied human rights that attractive men have, and most incels agree. watch out because we're out to rape you.

>>33519532
>Also hopefully you're reasonable and don't want a 16 year old when you're 45 and can appreciate the beauty of a woman your age as a 10/10 lol

Nobody wants to fuck a 16 year old but you can piss off with your roastie gaslighting by pretending that thinking a woman in her 20s is hotter than one in her 40s is somehow unreasonable.

Is there any actual point to these threads now? It seems like they almost inevitably boil down to some incel coming in to whinge about how everyone should give up which then leads to the entire thing turning into a shitflinging contest. Shame because they used to be good when they first started.

Hi. I’m 27. Because of a genetic condition, I didn’t really go through proper puberty and was basically asexual up until about 3 years ago. My hormones were off, life felt like living in a fog. But now I’ve got things under control..
I’ve been hitting the gym hard and got jacked. I started going out more, socializing, and I even managed to arrange a few dates. But every time, things eventually fell apart.

I read Book of Pook, and it says you can even hook up without saying much, just by playing it right physically.

I’m starting to realize that physical touch is almost non-existent for me, and it even runs in my family. Hugs just does not exist. Handshakes were about as far as it went. So when it comes to escalating, I tend to freeze up.

I feel like I can “rizz up” a girl, but not knowing what to do afterward really holds me back. I freeze at moments where I feel like I should go for a kiss, and I’m honestly scared of what to do if things go further into the bedroom.

Any advice on how to break through this and get comfortable with the physical side of things?

>>33519733
I'm not a woman, I'm a 6 foot 204 lbs man. Lmao

>>33519687
Yep. Some people are really just lost causes...

>>33519509
It isn't.
You think I wouldn't like that to be wrong? Who wouldn't? What's the motive for saying so unless there's something there? Why deny it so fervently?

The collapse of normal dating and the migration to an online space where first impressions are based almost entirely on appearance, with a real life meeting enabled MAYBE sometime after, seems to bear all of this out.
Most men get absolutely dick for interaction online. Even for girls people would describe as 5 or below.

Now, why would this be? If women and men are EQUALLY culpable.

>>33519450
>>33519625
We probably would if we could start a family through it.
But lo.

Thanks for ending the species.

>>33519888
Dramatic much

>>33519901
Should I not?
The future is pretty dire if you take the time to count all the beans, and exmaine what's going to happen logically.
My god.

Islam is going to just roll right over you.

>>33519904
Get some attention from a cute woman, my guy. Stop doom spiraling.

>>33519907
Capital idea. Where does that actually start?
Tell me, tell everyone.
Realistic solutions please. Not just something you heard one time.

>>33519877
>It isn't.
It is.
>You think I wouldn't like that to be wrong?
No because you are a troll fishing for attention.
>The collapse of normal dating
No collapse, seriously go outside.
>Most men get absolutely dick for interaction online.
And predictably you retards base your entire worldview on online dating where women are few and far between and aside from a few turbo-attention-whores, most women quit within a few days.

>>33519915
>No collapse, seriously go outside.
And go to a bookstore or library I guess?
That was the usual bad advice that I remember.
Never quite panned out, even slightly.

>>33519915
>>Most men get absolutely dick for interaction online.
>And predictably you retards base your entire worldview on online dating where women are few and far between and aside from a few turbo-attention-whores, most women quit within a few days.
Muchacho.
If this were an isolated highly-online thing, then why is it that Gen Z men who have actually approached a woman in their lives, are the MINORITY of men in their generation?

>>33519911
Do you think attracting a woman is a one-step process?

>>33519935
Uh, did I ask for just one step?

>>33519940
When you say solutions, you mean it as if one magical step will erase all your problems.

It's ok, you can keep doom spiraling. I'm sure you find comfort in it

>>33519946
You punctilious faaaaaaaggot.
Answer the concern that you walked directly into.

>>33519911
>get some good pics
>swipe on apps
>ask girls out

>>33519928
Dunno, why don’t you tell me why zoomers are such cowardly faggots?

>>33519985
>>33520012
Amazing.
And you claim to have the advice for people.

Well, my advice is better.
Find something else, until women improve.

>>33520025
I think you're in the wrong thread then.

>>33520084
I am the PRODUCT of your thesis.

>>33520147
That's a great line and picture.

>>33520147
If you were actually the guy in the picture dressed up as frankenstein for some theatre play of whatever this would be a great picture on your profile guaranteed to spark conversations.

>>33520214
Indeed, joke. While everything still feels funny.

People used to be lighter hearted about boomers and real estate as well.
It lasts for a time. Then something goes wrong.

>>33518126
>Their boyfriends fill both roles, but I guess you're only thinking about one night stands.

100% I overhear normie couples conversations and part of being a bf is listening to all her stupid problems.

>>33512032
honestly I briefly was seeing a woman with bad breath and it was a deal breaker. didn't know how to broach the topic gently so I just broke it off. hopefully someone else told her because that's an embarrassing problem to go around life with.

>>33518721
>Should I stick with the good girl
yes, or else you'll be here in a few months complaining that you lost the best girl of your life

I'm a decently good looking guy and I catch girls staring at me fairly often. The other night I was in the club and my friend was bringing girls to the VIP section he bought. He brought this beautiful wasian girl over and I confidently introduced myself to her with a smile and she smiled cutely in a shy but kind of excited way.

Later we made eye contact and literally just stared at each other for what felt like forever but was probably a few seconds. I had a neutral expression on my face, and so did she. We were just staring at each other lol. I ended up looking away.

I have two questions:
1. I get into these staring fests with girls a lot. Often they look at me first and then I return their gaze and we just stare at each other until I look away. Wtf is going on?
2. How do you talk to energetic vibrant girls who are grooving out to the music and stuff? I feel like asking them "what do you do" and "where do you live" is boring, especially for a club environment. Like I can talk to girls outside of the club easily, but in the club I don't know what to talk about

picrel, I have Henry Cavill's face but with Roger Federer's big ass nose which kind of fucks it up but I think I'm still handsome enough

How can I keep someone engaged and interested leading up into the second date and beyond?
It feels like a normal occurrence that the first date goes well, we text for a while, we set up second date, and then day of there's the text that they're not feeling well and can we postpone. But it's just a cover for ghosting and I never hear from them again. Like, this has to be something I'm doing and messing up.

sorry, i was looking for the "How to Get Women" general on the "Advice" board, but I seem to have stumbled into the "Everything is Impossible" general on the "I Already Know Everything and I'm Going to Cry about It" board

>>33520742
regarding 1.) next time smile or do a cocky "sup" nod. both work great for me. if at a bar and you keep making eye contact you should wave her over, it's 50/50 if she'll actually do it but that's better than 0% if you do nothing

for 2.) yes asking for their life's story at a club is a mood killer, but even outside of a club you should never turn it into a job interview. tease, be playful, point out random things going on around you, and above all hit on her.

>>33520866
>1.) next time smile or do a cocky "sup" nod
thanks anon I'll try that. I used to be a fat kid growing up and it wasn't until I started working out 3 years ago that my face and body completely changed and I started getting attention, so this is all new to me. I still get surprised when girls try to talk to me. I even hooked up with a beautiful blonde girl recently and I can't get my self-image to match my true outer image

>>33520742

Pro coach here

When a girl stares, she’s not “spacing out”, she’s giving you an indicator of interest. Buss’s Evolution of Desire shows women signal receptivity subtly and expect the man to act. If you just stare back and fold first, you telegraph hesitation, and she logs you as beta.

When she locks eyes, she’s silently daring you to make it happen. Escalate. If you don’t, she files you as background noise.

In a loud, high-energy environment like a club, logical Q&A is dead. The frame is energy and escalation, not small talk. Get physical with them.

>>33520742
They're inviting you to say hi or make a move fucktard

>>33520742
>I had a neutral expression on my face
Sounds like you walk around with a neutral expression on your face (which could be perceived as serious) so of course women look back with the same expression. If they smiled first at you it would be considered making a move and most women don't have the confidence to do that.

Start walking around with a very slight smile on your face. Not a big smile or open grin because you'll look retarded but a subtle smirk or smile where the corners of your mouth are barely lifted up.

After I started doing this women started smiling back and generally just being more open. Having that slight smile changes your vibe from potential serial killer or awkward nerd to confident, charismatic guy.

>>33511834 (OP)
So i finally got the IG of a girl i've had a crush on for some time. I mentioned i played basketball, and she said she'd like to watch, and we exchanged info.
Over ig text she basically said lmk when the game is, but everything is so dry. Like I asked if her schedule was come and go : "yes".
I asked if she was free today to go longboarding (saw that on her highlights) and after i double texted after waiting 5 hours, she said "im busy today so i can't"
I feel like i have a very limited window to entertain her, or get her interested, but I also thinks she likes me enough already. But the texting is so bland that it concerns me.
I naturally want to say, 'so what are you up to today then' but thats probably boring as well.
idk what to do. With some people i've been able to text nonstop over like 3 different platforms at the same time (same person). Should i send her a meme or a random cat pic?

>>33511834 (OP)
I've been talking to a girl I like from my friend's girlfriend and my friend's girlfriend is cool with me and told me before "she gets self-conscious about having ADHD where she brings it up and apologies when she's excited" which is fine.

anyway, fast forward, I've been texting her for over a month, talking about music and such, flirting in between. I mentioned to hang out and she said "sorry, I'm busy with xyz"

whatever, we keep talking and she would bring up work at times which was fine but then at one point she said "hey I'm starting up work again and I'm going back to school soon so I don't really have time to be talking, it was nice knowing you more and we'll talk more soon when I see you at [friend's girlfriend's place/parties]."

Obviously, she doesn't want to talk atm so I just said the typical thanks, good luck,etc. but I was thinking if I should ask my friend's girlfriend what's the deal and if shes like that with her bc I thought she was at least somewhat interested in me but idk, she is a little weird lol

>>33521307
have you ever met in her in person? Either way she doesn't have much investment into you. It's really hard to build up real rapport over texting unless you've already built something up in person.

There's no point asking your friend's gf because she'll just tell you what the girl told you - that she's busy. It's unlikely you screwed anything up anyway so why does the real reason matter?

>>33521304
You should ignore her

>>33521348
Yes we've talked in person a couple times before I started texting her.
Though I was leaning to the "it's over" part anyway. It would probably be best if I don't mention this to my friend's gf

what can i even do? i asked chatGPT and he said to just keep trying and my issue is likely the first impression stage but anyone once they get to know me would probably like me.

I was cleaning my bathroom, listening to Avril Lavigne's "Stop Standing There" when the thought popped into my head that I would do anything to marry a female version of myself. I looked in the mirror a few times to look at my face, and saw that it was considerably cute to quite an intense degree infact, even with prior smoking habits having depleted my collagen a bit.

>5'6
>cute face, collagen depleted though
>stacks thousands of dollars into stocks every month
>take care of my mom by sending her thousands of dollars a month as well
>fulfill obligations, even when they're "unfair"
>act as a therapist to my close friends, and my mom
>yapper, i talk a lot, my primary hobby is socializing and conceptualizing stuff, etc
>hard worker
>decent fitness
>people ive known have stated id make a great father
>people ive known have also stated that anybody can tell i dont have a mean bone in my body. hence why i get away with my yapping because anybody can see i only ever have good intentions. have also stated id likely never tell anybody anything mean or vicious
>people ive known have also stated im very carefree
>people ive known have always stated im pretty funny
>people ive known have stated im a good person
>generally speaking the vast majority of people like me

I can often get my foot in the door, but it's always an uphill battle, and unless the stars align perfectly (the girl is free soon after i ask her out, or things like that) things won't progress, my assumption is it owing to being below average height coupled with some collagen depletion on my face.

>>33521741
We need a question here, bud.

>>33521822
what do i do? just let things go, and eventually if something happens it happens? or do i get on dating apps, what, what can i do to find a partner id like?

>>33521544
what is the end-game in that??
she's gorgeous and i want to chase her.
Im not ultra desperate, but women want to be wanted.

>>33522151
When she said she was busy I said, okay basketball it is, and she hit me with a "yup"
so close and yet so far...

Bros I need advice pl0x

>Little while back someone said to sign up to a dating site to get better at talking to women
>Just match with anyone as a kind of practice
>Did this
>Only took a couple of days for me to feel a lot more confident about it
>Problem is the majority are looking for LTR and they aren't LTR material (I can be very shallow, beggars can't be choosers etc)
>Did sort of expect this because it is an app for more long term dating as opposed to something like tinder
>Barely match with anyone on tinder so rarely ever bother using it
>Swipe a few people last night
>Match with one
>She's really cute, not everyone has the same taste as me but to me she's exceptionally cute
>Don't really talk much because we match late at night
>She replies at about 7am when I'm still sleeping
>Reply in midafternoon
>Doesn't respond
>She's one of the rare people on tinder who isn't looking to just get fucked
Now comes my predicament
>I would like to talk to her to get to know her a bit better
>From the very brief exchange she seems like a nice enough person
>I did feel like just asking if she wanted to do something or offer her my number if it was easier to talk that way and if she wasn't interested she only has to say so
>At the same time I don't want to look like a dickhead by messaging again or come off as totally desperate or like I'm trying to be too forward and there's no way I would be able to explain in a short enough message which would only make me look like a complete sperg...just look how long this ended up

What's the approach here /adv/ros? I don't know how often she uses it. For all know she could be busy because she has babby of unknown age (I'm a boomer, her having babby doesn't bother me and she's a few years younger than I am).
I'm panicking and unsure of what to do.

This girl I used to sleep with still texts me at odd hours, and sometimes calls. How should I proceed?

My instinct is to keep relations friendly in the event that she wants to hook up again. She's the one who broke things off, although there wasn't a formal declaration; she just kinda grew distant and stopped wanting to hang out.

I have a riddle/mystery for you all:

>Be 5'6
>See tatted up Hispanic guy ~4 inches shorter than me holding hands with pretty, taller, slimmer girlfriend
>My 6'2 friend talks about his POS father who is 5'7 is now on his 6th wife
>My 43 year old buddy of mine who I'm eye-level with picked up a 25 year old lover

What are the above men doing right that I apparently am not.

Any pointers for how to make genuine compliments for women? When I work out at the gym (or went last night at a themed bar), I never really can figure out a way to make a genuine sounding compliment. I can make good on guys I see you I can relate with them physically, but I dont know what to say that doesnt sound idk just not very good, esp for portraying interest. I can like a girls hairstyle or how they dress, but that feels either like low hanging fruit or just not appropriate (i.e. the gym)

>>33522364
i dont know you or your friends and family, but the shorter guys i see succeed are normally positive and social people. im trying to go out more to break me awkward pessimism, but id take any other suggestions

>>33522370
for early interactions ive avoided physical compliments. women put a lot of consideration into their clothes and jewelry, so complimenting those is normally appropriate

>>33522370
I would have pointers if this were pre-social media.
But as is, no.
No, by the time they turned 13, they've forgotten more compliments than you will EVER receive.
They've heard everything. You will be a statistic if you add more.

In fact, if any approach actually works, it's Patrice O'Neals. And his approach, was to nitpick them. But things they could perhaps, conceivably work on. "Ah your nose is a little crooked, but that's okay I guess."

I'm going to introduce an idea to you that will help you. Same in and same out. What does this mean? When you meet a girl you like the first time what were thinking of before? You were thinking of how great your family and friends are, how great it is at home, and even how great the food you ate was. The moment this girl got in your life you loved her a lot and attached your heart. Just to learn from mistake, try to peacefully bring yourself back to the time you were happy with just family and friends than with this person, especially if the breakup was horrible. Remembering good times will help you most of all. Same in, same out.

>>33522624
Thank you for this. I lost my mom a few years ago, my family hasn't been the same, but even then I remember how we used to be, and what a wonderful mother she was and it makes me happy.


I recently met and had a relationship with a gorgeous woman who loved me deeply, but didn't want to stay for long. Needless to say, I got attached and I'm going through the pain now that she has passed out of my life. She had my mom's name (not as her first name, and a different pronunciation thank god) and she was constantly attending to my mood shifts that I dealt with as I struggled between letting her go and deluding myself into thinking it could work.

The right choice was that I should have broke up with her the instant she made her intentions clear, but I didn't because I had wanted it to work out so badly, even though I could see clearly it wasn't going to. We got closer, but as it came to an end, it got messy. Our issues were geography, economics and life stages.

I will take your words into my mind mind and try to relax for now. I hope to make these factors not be an issue with the next woman in the future, so I have to work hard.

Be playful over text to disarm womens barriers and neuroticism. Get in control of the conversation within the first 10 texts. Remember they are used to dealing with brain dead coomers and assume you as one

>>33522891
A master at work

>>33522714
No problem and best of luck to you.

>>33518015
Yeah that’s not a bad idea. A bar with “extras” whether it’s pool or something else at least sets me up to be “plausibly solo” and would at least let me gets reps even in the worst case scenario which I could then transfer to other places.

>>33522966
>Yeah that’s not a bad idea. A bar with “extras” whether it’s pool or something else at least sets me up to be “plausibly solo” and would at least let me gets reps even in the worst case scenario which I could then transfer to other places.

You want to establish yourself among the regulars because most people who go to these places all know each other and you need that social validation.

>>33522151
>>33522164
The endgame is you go on with your life and find another girl instead of wasting your time with one that isn't interested.

The women I'm interested in aren't using Tinder (I think), but Tinder is the only way I can meet women where I live, I don't know if I should create a normie profile and put my best normie pictures, even though I'm more of an alt guy whose height and weight favors him (188 cm, 65 kg, skinny, long and bleached hair, baggy clothes, alcoholic). I don't have the looks for these apps, as I consider myself an ugly guy with a somewhat "cool" sense of fashion and that's the only thing going on for me, but as I said before, that's the best option I have. Women are looking for chads and I'm a virgin with high expectations

>>33519840
you are a cuck. tf do you mean i hate women, of course i hate them, all men should. doesnt mean im not entitled to their bodies.

Hey guys, I honestly got a bit of a problem. I am gonna turn to this general, since it seems to contain the most normal/capable/emotionally intelligent people on this website. I recently turned 26 and as most on this website I never was good with women until a few years back, I lost my v card at 24. But things have changed now, I think for male standards I am doing pretty good in that regard and I am by no means as depressed (I am so happy about this fact). I managed to do a complete 180 in my life. I quit 4chan for a long time. Me coming back here occasionally seems to be an indicator, that I am falling into my former state of mind, anyways.

The thing is that everything related to the other gender is kinda fucked in my head. I have massive insecurities and complexes concerning women, the amount of validation I get from female attention is grinding me down. I think I have to meet as many women as possible because of fomo, because I am thinking about past talking stages being able to obtain sex with no difficulty, to make up for what I missed out on. So periods of female absence really take a toll on my mental health.

It depresses me that other people (especially women) can obtain so easily, what I had to work for my entire youth/young adult years. Ever since I went to uni I have been plotting on how to make girls and people in general like me while making it seem so effortless. While they were having the time of their lives, I was damned to wallow and self loath in my own misery. I am not accusing anyone of being responsible for me, it was mainly due to my own actions and thoughts, but still... fuck man. I am confronted by everything that could have been. At times it feels like I finaly have what I always wanted and it is not enough

>>33523728
It honestly seems like that this whole women problem thing is only the product of underlying issues. At this point it seems like therapy is the only thing atp to rid my mind of this parasitic mental pain.

I am still not over my last talking stage but I came to realize, that she is just someone I can project all my inner problems and insecurities on... Realizing this still didn't help me. I can happily go on about my day until I think of her, that's when I get this weird feeling in my chest. The weird feeling of "something is wrong, something is not supposed to be the way it is, uneasiness.

I think I will look for a therapist. I wen to a psychologist last year and he recommended me to start therapy because of other things in my past. I don't know what I expect of posting on here. When life was a blast for me, I didn't even think about 4chan. I just wanted to order my thoughts by writing them down and expressing them.

>>33522899
he can pick up any girl! he should coach the 5' balding indian janitor at my uni

>>33511834 (OP)
I've put myself back in the dating pool after a long time of being out of the game (10 years), and man it's rough. I am only attracting gay men, most women want nothing to do with me because I have long hair (really long down to my midback) I figure. I think I might have to change my aesthetic to reel in more women, maybe a more masculinized yet long hair style, might also have to hit the gym and tan up some more. Idk what the fuck happened but women seem to want hypermasc men now. Zoomniggers probably trooned out too much on'em.

>>33522238
Anyone?

Is going back to community college at age 32 a good way to get women?

>>33519955
No one uses that word anymore. Stop trying to look smart to the other guy.

>>33524095
Punctilious. It's the word for it.

Is it my fault the only word your dumbass knows is 'cringe'?

>>33517176
Men are retreating from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

>>33522238
>>She's one of the rare people on tinder who isn't looking to just get fucked
Uhhh who's gonna tell him

>>33524359
I'm sure your vocabulary impresses women. Keep it up champ :)

>>33524398
It's true ;_;

>>33524487
The fact that it wouldn't, is a mark against modern women, you absolute dolt.

>>33524553
Don't blame others just because you read the dictionary on Friday nights.

>>33524722
>Women are dumb, so what?!
>You gotta be dumb with them or you won't get girls!!

I mean think about this shit for a second.
Is this what you want?

>>33524016
it works when you're 25 but 32 is pushing it old man

>>33525109
Knowing random words people never use doesn't make you smart.

>>33525285
But making fun of someone for knowing them, does make you dumb.
Dumb as a fucking brick.

>get female attention
>know it will amount to nothing, she's just giddy with me.
>fap to fantasies about us
I might've unlocked the true endgame.
Will this last

I am really /fit/ but I still don't attract any /fit/ girls. Why?

I'm 6 feet tall if it helps.

>>33525748
You gotta impress their hearts first, which it Hell ain't easy. If you be the guy who listens and gets her out of everyone else, you'll do a lot more.

>>33523723
Once you're tall enough to ride the big roller coaster..lol

>>33525748
How many of them do you actually initiate conversation with? There's no easy way around it, you're very likely going to have to approach. It's like that all over the world in my experience. Some places, it's WAY easier to approach, a stare and a smile is enough, and in some places women will toss you some slow pitches, but the general rule of thumb is that you as a man have to make a move. It sucks, but you can get acclimated to it and it gets a lot easier and more natural to do eventually.

Never try to or date women that encourage self-destructive behavior. The moment a woman does that, that should automatically be a red flag. The moment her and her friends do that to you, another red flag. Gotta have some self-worth. Some random woman should not be a level above yourself and everyone in your life if you aren't the same to her, and especially if all she focuses on you is the negatives. I don't care if it makes more bullies in your life, DO NOT DATE PEOPLE WHO ENCOURAGE SELF HARM BEHAVIOR!

Bros, I haven't seen my gym crush for a couple weeks. I go to the gym everyday. I saw her working out at my gym M/W/F for 3 weeks. Wtf happened to her, bros? She was okay with me working out next to her one time. I didn't notice her at first until I was doing tricep push-downs and noticed her beauty and super blonde hair. I've been excited everyday to go to the gym and see her. I was thinking she was new to the area and I was trying to see if she would get familiar with me before I talked to her. I don't normally feel this way about girls. What should I do? I'm really confused and I regret not talking to her besides asking her if she was done with the seated row machine.

>>33511834 (OP)
Lena cute

Saw a hot chick at the bar, got few beers and worked up the courage to approach her. She was really hot, wearing a zebra style dress with great ass. Anyway, i said that she and her friend look cute but i love her style in particular and asked her if she wants to grab a drink sometime and she said yea sure but doesn't know if she will have time (she was an Erasmus+ program student and this was her last week in the city and she was meeting her friends all the time to say goodbyes). Anyway we exchanged IGs, i tried to contact her again but sadly she was too busy and i actually met her again at another bar when i went with friends instead and yea, she was with a big group of people again. I just approached her, said hi, she showed me her friends but i didn't want to interrupt their fun so i just said to enjoy her evening and left with the dudes i was with.

Anyway, we still follow each other on IG but don't talk, but i was browsing her profile, there was nothing slutty or whorish there, at most one or two pics of summer vacation but nothing with ass focus etc. but i noticed that she followed some clubs in my city and one of those was some club that was literally fucking BDSM themed with BDSM/whipping/shibari shows, parties etc. and i was like WTF. Do girls really go to shit like that or was she just secretly a freak? If so i am even more mad it didn't work out.

>>33528020
Just walking up to a girl and asking her out half drunk will at best net you results you got.

You have to actually make her bite and be curious about you, if you didnt do that then you are just another dude to her.

And yeah girls are crazier than us and interested in only one thing (its not true love).

Tbh tho not even men are interested in true love. What we call love is scarcity mindset larping.

Its all very sad but women are more practical and their worlds revolve around men. So they have upper hand plus if opposite gender comes up to you since you were 13, by the time you are 20 you have 7 years of rejecting noobs behind you, and insane, (think ai level data training) insane databanks of human behaviors.

Ofc girls dont call it this way, to them its just “dunno but felt kinda xx”.

Anycase, to approach an average female level of intuition about opposite sex, you need to approach daily multiple women and talk and talk with aim of ;) many many times.

After a year of 30+ approaches per day (ask me how I know) you begin to have an inkling of idea about women.

And still you will spaz if you like her, tho internally only.


Self respect is a must. Its far from even field. Women dont live in real world.

The difference between a player and a woman is that player has to put in work.

>>33522151
Has anyone got a woman they chased?

I never did. And I did plenty chasing lemme tell u that.

I also never had a woman I “fell for”.

Only women you can have even with pua is women you dont care about. Women select for not guys who care about them.
For some reason that is how they do it. They cannot fathom someone liking them early on or they think they will be easy if they accept a dude who likes them a lot early on, so they let dudes who dont care get it.

I been both dudes. But I only got girls I never cared for too much. If I cared it made me more invested, more serious, more tense, more gentle even and all those combos ruin any potential that was maybe had at start.

Sad fact is women think guys not caring for them are more authentic than guys caring for them.

I heard with my own two ears a chrinically single friend complain how dude told her she is the one for him, after few weeks of knowing her.

Ofc I know zhats a bad move. Ofc the dude is the noob. But has anyone ever given a chance to someone who pedestalises them?

You tried all the other dudes woman, and now you are single and sad all the time. And yet you are still adamant about not giving “invested” dude a chance.

And mind you, that was his only negative in her mind. She never rejects dudes she dates, in terms of looks.

Its always some stupid shit they do, or she thinks its stupid.

When its exactly the dude she should be going for.

I tease her thats why shes single lol. She wants me tho, but I care zero about her (which is why shes into me lol) and the circle of “life” continues hahahaha

Absolutely insane.

Meanwhile girl I cared for rejected me.

We are all in a huge circus.

>>33519571
Real life is the only way.
Apps dont work.
Women will wait for pinnacle dudes on apps while the guys run thru other women on same apps.

Apps are harems for top 0.1% dudes.

I never met such a dude tho, but Id like to just out of curiosity.

>>33523766
Men are retreating from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

was on the train home today and infront of me sat this cute girl with rings on every finger.
how do i approach her when she is just staring at her phone the entire time, and how do i initiate when we are both surrounded with strangers?

>>33521827
a better perspective on this is that you are discovering all of your "green flags". therefore you should re-evaulate your self worth and learn how to propogate these values to potential partners, let them know that you have these great characteristics.

at a lower level consider:
I am a virgin, smart, no drug, no smoke, no drink male. so therefore why cant i be "entitled" to a woman of similar values?

how can i utilise bars as a place to meet women, when i dont even drink. i know about hanging about the pool table, but anything else?

Every girl I see is not even close to being as beautiful as her. I talk to at least 2-3 girls I see in this city to try to game them. In comparison to my last girlfriend, they're so ugly, but they all say no. Why? It was like this before her too. I have pretty much 0 approach anxiety at this point because of it, but it seems so useless since I'm not really attracted to any of them.
The last date I was on, the lady told me she was married. I flirted with her, touched her still, but I was not into it, it felt comfortable as a friendship. The same with my other recent dates after the breakup. Why is it that I find a gf every other year, and all the girls in between aren't anywhere worth gfing? Do I need to lower my standards? The attractive women I've been with have given me much better signals than the mid girls I'm pursuing in the streets anyway. What the fuck is this problem called??
Im short, wear glasses, but I have strong facial features and have noticeable muscles, not huge but not small, V shaped, developed back/arms. My last two gfs were over 10 years younger than me and called me their professor. They were hot as fuck too, I'm afraid this is my peak and the rate of success means my next attractive gf won't be for another year or two, I dont know if I can keep this up forever.

>>33528533
Walk up to one and start a conversation

>28
>moved to a new city here
>everyone seems to already have friends
>seems like people my age don’t really do things solo??
>not attractive enough for dating apps
What do? I’m quite lonely

are girls allowed to give advice here or no cuz i feel like i got a few bangers

>>33522364
The importance of height is greatly exaggerated. Of course, it's still very important, but you can work around it. Charisma/social skills is what makes the real difference, if you can't talk, you're not going anywhere

>>33528812
You go right ahead

>>33528823
okay so, if your at a bar or out and you see a girl you want to talk to but you have no idea what to say, the best line is always gonna be some variation of "dont i know you?" i know it sounds cringe but its just such a great opener. if she says no you so, oh my bad you just look so familiar, for some reason this makes us intrigued. then just put your hand out and be like "well, my names blah its nice to meet you". its also good because if she hesitates when you ask if you know her and tries to think for a second it means she thinks your attractive. trust meee. and if you ask and she replies really snarky and rude like shes obvi not interested you can just be like "oh my bad then nevermind". going up to a girl and saying "hey youre really cute whats your name" is not a good a pick up line as you guys might think. because a girls knee jerk reaction is gonna be rejection

>>33528831
Eh, every girl will think it's just a pick up line, even if you genuinely think you know that person

>>33528837
nuh uh, but even if she does it kind of like trips our brain up if that makes sense. like you want to be saying a line thats unexpected because then youll stand out. if not that then something playful, like if shes got a drink say something cheeky about it like hmm are you babysitting that drink? in general just be slightly teasing then drop a compliment not full complement mode yk? NOT negging either that doesnt work

>>33512032
Explain it to her like you are worried about her.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPeFs7uDLM&pp=ygUWS2V5IGFuZCBwZXJsZSBsaW1pdGluZw%3D%3D

>>33528433
Hey, cool rings, you look like mafia boss.

>>33528850
maybe add a question on the end so it extends the convo though, like where did you get them? otherwise she'll just say thanks and the convo will end

>>33528851
Accessories are always a good topic but you have to pick something you are genuinely interested in.

My rule is if a girl is cute, open aith whatever is most noticeable on her, outside of her looks.

Looks are never a good opener unless related to accessory. “Glasses look good on you like Velma from Scooby doo, nerdy but adventurous vibe going on” Im also like that.
Very nerdy that is hahaha

Whats your name?

>Women
How does she know I'm not a hobbyist origami enjoyer who was going to gift her a piece of work in her favorite color

>>33528858
Well, Velma, what a coinkidink. Lets go to my place now to procreate. I have fresh spermatozoids moving in my balls aching to get out and swim in your organs.

Whaddyasay?

Whats is love.mp3 ringtone interrupts my approach

“Sorr-“shusshhh honey, my bro is on the other line.”
Bro, no, you chop the onions and saute them for 20 minutes if full bowl, it takes time man, lemme kmow how it goes I will be with Velma, yeah shes this cool chick I just met” wink at Velma.
Ok love you bro ok byee

“Vee my honeyy where did we stop our convo? Oh yeah. Spertmatozoids. Im ready when u are ;)
But first some icecream.
I know a good place with amazing melon icecream. I think you will like it!
*fixate on her chest

Lets go! *Grab hand and jump run towards gellateria.


(If only it were this easy)

>>33528866
You actually played it amazing hahaha shes just autistic.

A lot of women are.

Like there is no point in chatting beyond basic number exchange and quick vibe check. She failed. Probably just wants someone to feed her compliments. Validation while she snoops around.

Sexual status resembles employment status. If you're a jobless loser and try to find a job nobody wants your ass.
But if you already have a job and go on exploratory interviews and make it clear that you love your job and would only consider being lured away for a 10% raise because you feel you could handle more important responsibilities, everyone wants to hire you.

Same thing with women. If you aren’t getting any, you give off defeated loser vibes and women look at you and assume the reason you have no woman is because you aren’t good enough for one.

I'm 21M and haven't had a girlfriend since high school (we broke up in March of 2022). I know I'm relatively young but I still feel like I'm running out of time.

>>33529804
You are if you're looking to find a good woman to start a family with. If you just wanna fk around you're set for a while longer.

>>33529804
you’re still way too young to be dating to marry. figure out what you want, and just fuck around, no one is ready to get married in their early 20s

I think I get attached too quickly to girls. Is there something I can do about that? Should I?

>>33530356
get over yourself and sleep with more women until you feel numb

Left her a message so good she’s been reading it for a week to figure out a response

>>33530790
what did you say?

>>33530795
She reached out while I was on course to ask about how it was going. I replied semi open ended with some of the shenanigans we’ve gotten up to. And it kinda ended there unfortunately.
I’m not giving up on this but man is that not the most comforting route for this situationship thing to go rn

>>33530120
My sister and her boyfriend are 20 and 21 and they're getting married soon

>>33531373
There were always those weird couples in uni who were madly in love with each other, and married way too soon. 20 years latter I can say there marriages have been good and I only know of one divorce.
The 25 yrolds who wanted to be trad and married didnt work out well. If its on infatuation though and the family isn't pushing it all all, good for them.

>>33531434
I love you honey bunny ah goo goo ga, a goo goo ga ga goo goo yes i do

how to i get over my fear of women? id really like a girlfriend but im scared of ending up with a girl like one of the crazy women in my family

What does it mean when my ex blocked me twice?

>>33511888
You're better off paying for good pictures than premium. I just cancelled my hinge X that I had for 1 month. Literally zero matches and zero likes.

>>33531467
Prolly not gud if you intended something with her. Which you shouldn’t

>>33531458
A woman's conduct is almost entirely determined by your ability to manage her OR sincerely walk away if she becomes too unruly. You haven't lived until you've seen the power of the latter. Women react to it like you just opened the Ark of the Covenant on them. Point is, you have a lot more power over this outcome than you think.

I was having a conversation with a literal Chad in every sense and honestly being alone doesn't seem as bad after talking to him and hearing what he's having to deal with.

I'm 27 with almost no sex experience and that makes me really embarrassed of hooking up with woman. I have a few friends that I know I can sleep with, but I just can't help but think that sex will be really shameful, they'll lose interest and will tell other people I know and that will make me also really embarrassed. I hooked up with a prostitute recently and I got no sense of rhythm, motion and etc, so I know it will be bad. What do you think of this situation?

Is there a difference in approaching older women? I have a baby face but am fairly handsome. I have been able to flirt with a few older women but I always hit the barrier of "aren't I a bit too old for you?" I treated it like any normal shit test but it seemed to be something they would not budge on.

>>33532679
This might sound like "le be yourself" advice but it really isn't. You have to learn to believe with all your heart that you will both have the time of your life. My first gf never even suspected I was a virgin during our first time and I barely lasted that long (about 5 minutes) but we had a beautiful time. She was a virgin at that point, too, though.

However, my current gf of 5 years I was still fairly inexperienced BUT I had the confidence that I'd make her have a good time. And I did, even when I premature ejaculated once. I held my confidence and she followed suit. If you shrug it off, she'll shrug it off, too. Trust me. You don't have to be a sex god, just give in to the moment, be passionate and enjoy. And even if you bust too early, so what?

That really is the answer. But you have to get your self esteem in check, which is quite frankly much harder than getting good in bed. Because when a girl is really turned on by you, you barely have to do anything and she'll be soaking wet. Read about foreplay, take your time and once she's wet, everything will go smoothly as long as you don't sperg out.

>>33532938
Yeah that's good advice. I'm fairly confident overall, they have no idea I'm this inexperienced. The thing is, keeping up a good rhythm and pelvic motion is really akward and it kind of gives away that you don't have sex often. But I guess it's true I'll have to let go of that and work around it to make it good. If it doesn't go too well, I'll deal with that later. I'll have to face that one day or another, but I just wish it could be with someone that isn't part of my social circles so I could forget about it later. But then I'll throw away the chance of hooking up with a nice friend that's into me and who knows if that doesn't turn into something good in the future. But hell, the thought of her other friends (that are also friends of mine) knowing that I can't fuck for shit sure is embarrassing. I guess I can't even be sure of her experience so I'm antecipating a lot of stuff. Thanks.

imagine right now that the woman of your dreams was sitting right opposite you. what do YOU do? do you spill your spaghetti, put in every ounce of effort?
details people.
and by "woman of your dreams" I mean peak physical presentation... you fill in the rest.

Just had an embarrassing number get in a small store.
>see girl from across the street I'd like to talk to
>Prepare to position myself near her, and she comes near but I hesitated
>She goes into a store and probably noticed me as I followed her
>I wait a couple minutes for her to come out, but she doesn't
>Just say fuck it and go in
>Start Convo, find out she goes to my school, same department but we don't know our namedrops
>Find out also she's there with a guy
>Ask her if they're together
>Ask if she wants to hang sometime
>She says yes, I get her number
>Leave

I don't even know how to go forward with this. It's too fucking cringe.


>>33533219
no woman should be "of your dreams", certainly if you haven't at least fucked her a few times already. Those women only spring from normal women parthenogenically once they've opened up to you.

>>33515372
Wanting nothing in life other than a relationship is unhealthy. You can't be in a healthy relationship unless you have your own wants/desires and capability for happiness outside of having a girlfriend.

>>33533465
> no woman should be "of your dreams"
not what i meant anon, but I understand where youre coming from with this.
if it helps you visualise:
instead imagine this woman sitting opposite you was your future wife, and this was your only opportunity to approach her, how would you do it?
you can pretend some sort of time-travel explanation for why you are in this situation.

>22 yr old girl I'm dating drinks at least 3x times a week. Has a family history of alcoholism.
>Says she understands why people cheat.
>Says random le edgy shit sometimes.
I'm physically attracted to her and at this point just want to hatefuck her. The more I get to know this girl the more I'm repulsed by her.
Should I just cut contact with her? My friends want me to fuck but I'm genuinely getting sick of her.

>>33533504
If it was my future wife I'd know what to say without planning. I'm sure some form of hi or a simple observation of shared surroundings how autistic are you bro

>>33533687
Wdym they want you to fuck?
Honestly if you see warning signs you should trust them, go with your gut. I've learned the hard way. Maybe just cheat on her preemptively or late?

>>33528807
Reposting for visibility
I’m really not trying to be alone at home again this weekend help a nigga out?

how the fuck do you deal with women's indecision?
>be me, met a girl and fall in love with her smile
>i_want_that_smile_in_my_life.webm
>ask her out
>things don't go that bad but she doesn't like me
>let's just be friends
>I agree because we have nothing in common, sex was awful and it makes no sense to love her just because of her smile
>I still want that smile in my life tho and I cried the last time we say goodbye
>ff 10 minutes
>she wants more, she wants me back
>ff 1 day
>friends again
>ff 2 hours
>I love you
>ff 10 minutes
>I just want to be alone today
holy fuck, this feels like some kind of shit test I don't know how to deal with
I'm about to tell her to fuck off, but I still melt to that smile every single time
how do you deal with these situations?

how am I supposed to take pictures for dating sites if nobody wants to go out with me? I’m very social and everybody just wants to sit at home playing call of duty or simp for some bitch.

>>33534175
>I still melt to that smile every single time
grow up faggot

>>33534295
no

>>33528831
I still remember saying "have I seen you?" in university halls to a girl and almost immediately she hugged me lol

>>33534149
Dating apps

You will have my time, sons

>>33534175
Judging by your story you act like a woman also. Crying, investing your limited time into someone who doesnt like you fully, agree to a friendzone, reward chaotic
behaviour with your attention

When one feminine energy (chaos) dates another feminine energy (more chaos) polarity collapses so her attraction is all over the place. You should research what sexual polarity is and how to be the masculine side in it

>>33533687
Pay attention, kids. If woman drains you, she is not the right woman for you even if it is exciting. You have limited mental and physical health, limited time and limited energy. Life is a battlefield enough, as a man you compete and conquer. Women should recharge you energy, not drain it. The sooner you find feminine, nurturing, woman the better. And you cant do that if you are already invested in someone else and worse

>>33533465
It is as much cringe as you label it cringe. Cringe is subjective feeling coming from your outdated beliefs. It is in your head only, it doesnt exist outside

>>33531458
By facing it. Simple as. Fear is there to protect you, its on your side. However, that fear is objectively wrong. There are no terrible consequences for dating women. At any point you can terminate a relationship and pursue someone better. All of these are just words that make sense for you consciousness, but are not part of your subconsciousness. For them to land in your deep mind you have to face your fears

Tell your fear: I thank you for protecting me, I love you, but we are doing it

Date women, fail, go through relationships, get better at it, get a wife of your dreams and skills to keep her

Is she flirting with me? I joined a new team at work a month ago and I think this cute girl might be flirting with me. Some examples: general touch (touching and hitting my shoulder when I make a joke, tapping my arm when talking), some personal talk (dating, likes what type of men/women, kind of friends), specifically asking me if I am going to company drinks (which is in the weekend), and some other similar things that has me wondering if its more than just friendly coworker, especially since she doesnt do this with everyone.

Tons of women just leave their ig in their profiles, any tips for sliding into the dms?

>met unironic white supremacy qt girl
>hitting it off what seems to be good.
>hasn't responded in 3 days.
I don't care anymore. I fucking quit. It's not getting any fucking better.

>>33511834 (OP)
Does being nice actually get you laid?
I was talking to some chick at a party all normal like, just stuff about our lives, totally normal. Made a few jokes, pulled her leg here and there for a bit, then went in for the kiss and wa la, not a virgin anymore.
Was it this easy all along? Is the whol thing about having to be an asshole just cope from absolute faggots? I really weirded out and put off a whole bunch of women by putting on an act of being a total asshole despite liking them.

>>33535837
>Does being nice actually get you laid?
No.

>>33535853
Elaborate. It did get me laid where trying to be an asshole was an abysmal failure every time.

>>33535738
I instantly swipe left if I see an insta handle

>>33535966
At no point in your story did you describe any of your actions as nice. True you where not being an asshole, but you where not being nice. I'm not there so I can't really see fully on how you acted but I doubt anything you did was nice.

>>33535981
Well, taking a genuine interest in her as a person, asking questions, laughing along, giving her attention and whatnot counts as pretty nice in my book. Just a friendly conversation essentially.
Do note that I come from a family of crazy BPD bitches so I have a very hard time to suppress the reflex of immediately putting up my defenses and not letting her get close. Generally by being abrasive as hell or just refusing to giver her any attention.

>>33536006
>Well, taking a genuine interest in her as a person, asking questions, laughing along, giving her attention and whatnot counts as pretty nice in my book.
Well that's wrong, and you where at a party and having a casual fun time. Very basic pre school level social ques are good to have. Now feel free to be nice to her by caring about her feelings, buying her random small gifts just because and being sensitive around her.

>>33519571
150,000 swipes is soul crushing, there is no way I could do this. I was tapping out at less than 1000. Thanks for saving me the time, effort, and frustration.

>>33536070
>Now feel free to be nice to her by caring about her feelings, buying her random small gifts just because and being sensitive around her.

So THAT is what all those "nice" guys constantly fall on their faces with? I would never! And here I am feeling like total simp for talking to a woman normally and giving her extra attention.

>>33535410
yes anon wake up, that is most definitely flirting.
whenever she mentions going for company drinks she is inviting you somewhere.
take the next opportunity, you two can go get drinks together rather than with the company.
good luck fren.

>>33535825
dont give up anon. you know what you want a woman.
if shes what you want, then dont let anything stop you, be determined, women find that sort of initiative super attractive.

>>33532938

idk why zoomers make it into this huge elaborate ritual, when I was growing up and lost my virginity at 15, it was just a race to the finish line, getting to stick my dick in and no longer get made fun of for being a virgin, maybe that's why it's so common now because nobody makes it a big deal but I'm a 40+ boomer

>>33533219
>and by "woman of your dreams" I mean peak physical presentation... you fill in the rest.

you still have to talk to them after sex anon, least would rather it be someone I can deal with

>>33533465
>>Ask her if they're together

LOL!

my man I'm not great with women but ffs promise me you'll never do that again, okay?

>>33534567
I’m not attractive enough or my profile sucks
I’ve literally swiped 200+ times on hinge without a single match

>>33533472
>Wanting nothing in life other than a relationship is unhealthy

I know someone who is always getting laid with women and even has had threesomes, the problems women bring into his life makes me thankful that I'm not in his shoes, even if I'm not getting laid anymore

>>33537688
Yeah... Honestly I don't know why I did that. It was all so awkward. I still got her number and said she could hang out though. I just texted her asking her schedule. I'll keep you updated for curiousity.

Why do you think it was cringe? I felt cringe for asking but I don't know why.

I'm honestly like Michael Scott, I am a buffoon. I just did a post mortem on my last relationship with a literal 10/10 and I convinced her to fall out of love. I was lost in my emotions. I couldn't stay strong. All my other relationships have ended with me saying so, after the girl asks me to marry them after years, but lately I've been dealing with hot, smart girls and they're a different animal entirely.

>>33537701
Women bring a lot of problems into your life. The playboy lifestyle gets old and soulless real quick.

>>33535825
You do realize that these girls are constantly texting guys, right? As soon as they find someone they perceive as better, they ghost you.

>>33535004
This bro gets it. Big dick, masculine wisdom.

>>33533687
Leave her. Don't overthink it. Just walk away.

I need some help with my prompts on Hinge and Bumble, what catches a girls attention?

>>33538370
"Lets be honest, we both know we are only on here for validation. If we match it's because you are really really hot or I was really really drunk"

Quick question for you shizos:

>Became friends from women from music-art festival
>We keep in touch, occasionally texting eachother
>One day discussing life issues over text
>She invites me to her city
>cool
>ask her for recommendations on hotels
>"Oh... I thought you were going to stay with me, i have a guest bedroom"

Is this purely platonic or can I expect sexy time?

>>33538418
Just go with the flow. Impossible to tell at the moment.

>>33538418
Always assume sexy time. Not in a pushy way but in a confident "of course it will way through your subcommunication.

>>33537663
Well, I lost my virginity at 21. For me the race against time was high school but I left high school a virgin so after that I kinda didn't sweat it that much.

>>33533111
You got this, man. But trust me. Confidence will do wonders for you. For my current gf, in the beginning, I premature ejaculated AND had trouble finding the right way to fit it in (long story kek) in two seperate occasions. I just shrugged it off, laughed about it, looked up solutions online and now we have some of the best sex I could ever ask for and I know for a fact I am a good fuck. It really is trial and error but through the errors make the girl believe that you really don't give a shit.

>>33538432
This. When you stay in the guest bedroom, just observe how things proceed. Whether she's initiating physical contact or just treating you how you would treat one of your dude friends.

>>33537695
Fix your shit then. If you're ugly you have to put in twice the effort.

the only women who are interested in me are way too young but even if I found a woman of an age I was comfortable with I struggle with connecting to people. I used to be very friendly when I was younger but now I don't know how to break the ice so I'm eternally stuck in the awkward acquaintance stage. Forget dating, I haven't even made a new friend in a decade. what do I do?

>>33538050
>>33537688
Update:
She replied, she's leaving to travel for a few weeks from tomorrow. Wat say?

>>33538956
Convenient how she's leaving tomorrow

>>33538978
I believe it, she's on summer vacation, the guy she was with told me he just arrived in the city so they could be going off to travel together. I didn't get gay vibes from him but he was picking up a custom made bag or wallet so idk.
I just said I'd be out with friends and for her to come out before she leaves. If not I'll have more talking to do tonight to other women

Not to sound like a bitch guys but I woke up at 3am sick and crying and hating myself and that I turned down Ms. Potential in high school and ever since then I've been so scared of women. The second I get vulnerable I fucking run away for some reason? Help it's been a fucking decade im still a loveless virgin lol I can't feel attached to someone without making them my everything or nothing to me

>>33539007
>>33538978
She turned down the night out, leaving at 5 haha. Just a sorry, no hope for a plan. Should I say anything?

>>33539011
>black and white thinking
>scraps women for not being perfect
>always wanting better
I diagnose you with being a man

>>33538660
1. How do you fight this? Lifting and working out only does so much
2. How do I improve my profile when I don’t know anyone here

>>33527192
She has one of the GOAT vr videos (don't watch porn)

>>33521304
Don't over text before you're sure she likes you. Invite her out to basketball, then ask her for coffee or food afterwards

>>33539514
clothes pictures prompts.
go look on tiktok for those "dating coaches" on how they tell you to setup your profile/prompts/conversations. unironically some good advice out there.

It's 2025. I'm fairly tall, fairly attractive (8+ face, 9 body by female standards, think Pitt in Troy imo but I might be overestimating) with a good fashion sense but poor. Can I still approach women on the street?
Sometimes I get looks but I'm too pussy to do anything about it

>>33535853
being nice, yes
being weak, no.
being boring, hard no
Most of the guys confuse these

>basically every single girl that I've gone on a date with or tried to ask out has been kind of cool towards me and not overly invested at best so it feels like pulling teeth to try and get laid or get a girlfriend

I understand that it's a man's job to pursue and take action but I also kind of feel like there should be an interest from the girl as well where she is excited to talk to you and tries to keep talking to you.

I posted this thread a few days ago and wanted to give an update
>>33519657

Turns out I was right and she's not into me. I went to follow up on our 2nd date that she planned and she hasn't responded to me ever since her trip.

Don't be surprised a dork steals your girlfriend when you are a "I'm in a room full of idiots" type of guy. That is absolutely the most immature attitude to have in this world, going around acting like you are dealing with an idiot. Who raised you to be like that?

>>33518186
which books

>>33518721
boring women >>>> evil women

new thread
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>>33539268
nah

>>33528866
She is mentally retarded. Not your fault.

>>33528866
>whats your fav color
Made me chuckle, bitches dont know gold when its handed to them

whenever I approach a woman I let her just talk and she ends up trauma dumping, I ask questions because I feel it's safer than infodumping like a retard autistic that I am. Idk how to even flirt if she's not showing high interest help.