Thread 149877379

Tribal leaders that had left humanity yet still held onto their own. Who leads better?

>>149877379 (OP)
Superman? Goku?
Both destroy Solo Leveling.

Godzilla Ultima lost to THIS?!

>>149877379 (OP)
Goku/Superman fusion vs Darkseid/Frieza fusion.

>>149877466
Imagine if she was giant sized.

>>149877419
AIIEEEEEEE!!!

Hulkbros......how we feeling?

>>149877379 (OP)
Realistically, how can Superman come out on top?

ROOOOOOOCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS!!!!!

>>149877478
He was TOBA'S vessel in Immortal,what other powerup/form could he potentially get in Infernal?

>>149877471
A NEW OPPONENT APPROACHES.

>>149877483
>>149877491
>>149877494
>>149877471
Kneel to your true king.

>>149877508
>island level
Itachi Uchiha victim.

>>149877491
Why not use the original version from Super Sentai? That one was actually a god.

>>149877491
I'm more of a SPD guy

>>149877508
>Loses to Sonic the Hedgehog

>>149877508
>Island level
Luffy victim (Pre-Gear 5)

>>149877508
>Loses to Monkey D Luffy

>>149877517
PR version is still multiverse level

>>149877508
Yes, you should start that now.

>>149877508
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sung_Jin-Woo_(Novel)

THIS IS Y'ALLS NEW GOAT? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You have lost this general before it has even begun.

>>149877379 (OP)
N'Avi are stronger and faster than humans by a bigger magnitude than Chimps. assuming this is a team battle I think the Blue aliens win with some medium difficulty.

>>149877483
The big comic versions might be able to win.. maybe. Golden Age, Pre Crisis. Post Crisis, Kingdom Come, Rebirth.

New 52 gets giga stomped

>>149877558
Doesn't Caesar have guns?

>>149877557
Excellent work as always, Janny! Ready to wrap this up, KINGtos?

>>149877379 (OP)
Is there a villainous equivalent to this sort of fight?

>>149877592
?
They are the villains

>>149877379 (OP)
We need more death battles that take place in cool and unique environments like picrel would.

Ash/Atem/Yugi will teach Ash/Atem/Yugi to be a better duelist/trainer.

Basing how they'll handle this fight for Yugi is how Yugi/Atem fought in the Zorc Arc.

>>149877490
I think MOAH is getting fully released at the end of the current run and Infernal seems to be dealing with her. She was the reason TOAA hulked out and became TOBA so Hulk will probably get some new shit too.

>>149877616
Probably, but also spruced up with typical big brain strategy maneuvers.

>>149877618
This'll make it way funnier if Hulk loses.

>>149877379 (OP)
This matchup has me thinking about how badly they messed up Fett vs Pred.

I want to beat and rape women.

>>149877629
Ben Singer..........

>>149877629
Who are you? My buddy Superman would NEVER say that.

>>149877622
>Death Battle doing a shit research on the Hulk for the 3rd time
Kinda lost its charm. I do find it funny that Godzilla is getting everything. Kek.

>>149877628
Who won?

LIMITLESS PILLARS OF POWER!!!

>>149877642
GvsS3 made their dynamic feel more like a boy with downs syndrome having a make a wish fight with Mike Tyson. Retard rage outbursts, babyish compliments and all.

>Death battle doing shit research
What else is new?

>>149877654
...and the Hulk.

>>149877654
YUP!

>>149877648
Boba Fett. I don't disagree but the Predator was composited lazily and awkwardly, and the fight animation was pretty bland and uninteresting given their arsenals and the mood/setting that they establish at the start.

Um...bros? His verse keeps getting stronger.

>>149877379 (OP)
Gonna say this once more before bed.
There are some versions of Superman that Goku can beat, there are some versions of Goku that Superman can beat.
It really is that simple. Night you shit lords.

>>149877669
>Murata slop

>>149877669
Krillin fodder.

>>149877573
True but guns didn't help the humans when they lost in avatar 1. Assuming the environment is equalized so neither opponent is choking to death and troops numbers are also equalized Caesar has no way to get his troops around faster than the N'Avi's equivalent of cavalry and air support, these things were giving mechs and futuristic soldiers a hard time, Compare this
https://youtu.be/85E0hqIToOc?si=gmG_Nw_K0MpbiOND
To this
https://youtu.be/0sJeBiUCIt4?si=Rt-tFnsFJ3xRgv55

I think a more fair fight ironically enough would be pitting Caesar and his army from planet of the apes against Caesar's legion from fall out

>s-some versions
>GoKEK cope

>>149877670
People want Supes vs Sentry but nah I want Goku vs Sentry where the former keeps lackadaisically pummeling and goading poor Bob into acting schizo and unleashing his evil void forms to "get stronger". Also I want Goku to give Void a senzu bean which directly leads into the latter evaporating a whole city immediately after.

>>149877598
>t. Quaritch

I like how hulk anon gives his hulk pictures funny hulk names

>>149877702
I try to make these threads a little better.

>>149877696
I fucking HATE HATE HATE that they just brought him back as another blue guy but evil in the second one. The daddy issues drama with his stupid son named Spider didn't help at all either.

Post FUARKING HEROES who have gone 3-0!

GODulk and Superman? ETERNAL RIVALS and the reason Doomsday was created.

Is Singular Point actually good or is it only relevant due to powerscaling autism?
>>149877471
Turn A and God Gundam would rape her harder than the Mass Production EVAs.

>>149877711
Alright I have a hot take.

Goku should have won. If anyone wants an honest non-meme debate I'm here. Death Battle's research was once again dishonest. And they butchered Superman's powers even more than Goku.

>>149877471
Lalah Sune victim

>>149877709
I wasn't surprised, because Cameron had always said years before 2 that Quaritch was going to be the main antagonist for the entire franchise.

Lapau dā upala
Pṛthvī́ ākāśaḥ
Kiráṇaḥ ihá kiráṇaḥ
Agníḥ udakám

Lāka ihá kāla
Nítyam durgá
Maunám dā maunám
Vāyú īśá

Saṃkalpáḥ saṃvādam
Kaivalya karma
Īśvara pūjā
Hári hári dā́nam

Amṛ́tam auṣadhám
Adṛṣṭa dhármaḥ
Satsaṅg koṭi
Ṛtám ṛtám medhā́

>>149877721
Singular Point is good, but it's heavy on the math and the technobabble, so if you're not into that then you probably won't enjoy it much.

>>149877721
It's really good so long as you like hard sci-fi technobabble stuff. That's the reason it has mixed reception.

>>149877721
I actually like Singular point as a Godzilla fan. The story is great especially when it comes to a build up, expanding the ever looming threat that Godzilla is. It shows off the monsters quite well. Some characters are lacking in the development department, but it's not too bad. You will, however will see people trashing it just because Godzilla isn't fighting in every episode and say it's boring because they don't understand anything. I didn't understand much either and yet still find enjoyment. Also, Ultima is like Shin Godzilla in that he have multiple forms as well. Check them out. Do the three episode rule and see if you'll like it.

>>149877741
>moeshit

>>149877771
That moeshit and Indian song killed Godzilla.....

>>149877771
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY ABOUT MOE!!!???

>>149877792
k, b, c

>>149877688
psychoku is not canon.

Welp looks like the night shift is over.

>>149877683
Tell me what Justice League Action Superman is going to do against Buu Saga Goku. Go on.

>>149877727
Explain

>>149877711
Alright I have a cold take. Superman won and will win again if they ever did a 4th rematch with Goku. Let them fight other people.

>>149877778
That song was literally given to them by Godzilla.

>>149877854
That song was [HEADCANON]

>>149877466
I want to have sex with smart women

>>149877908
I know you're a /dbs/ shitposter, but that's explicitly the case. There was no code, there was no solution. They only won because IT decided to let them.

>"The parameters," declares the Pelops II within me, "for the Orthogonal Diagonalizer to annihilate the hyper-temporal computer, the singular point, Godzilla—"

>Its precise wording, the absence of any conclusion finally reveals its meaning to me.

>"They never existed," the Pelops II within me apologetically announces.

>"One cannot find what does not exist."

There's nothing wrong with enjoying human cock once in a while...

>>149877955
>doing this AGAIN

>In other words, it was a plan to settle the battle through physical combat rather than super-chemical means, which was somewhat outside my style. However, if it were possible to defeat the singularity through physical combat, my workload would undoubtedly be reduced, and I would have the opportunity to destroy the singularity myself.
>One reason is that I might not need to search for the parameters to decompose all the archetype molecules. Because my origin is code, I have a rigid nature that insists on providing a precise answer to a precise specification.
>However, if those conditions can be relaxed...
>The goal is to temporarily remove the singularity from this universe, not to completely erase all archetypes. If it is acceptable to leave behind a trace of the blue-green history rather than the red dust, the candidates for parameters that meet the conditions would expand.
>Even if some archetypes remain in this world, once the singularity is separated from this dimension, the production of new archetypes will become difficult. Archetypes will gradually decompose, mix with the molecules of this world, and break down into miraculous molecules that are difficult to detect. By the time radioactive atoms reach their half-life, their numbers will have decreased by half.
>The Armillaria Network believes that the combination of the last two possibilities is the most likely to occur.
>Pero2 calculates in the Super Time Calculator the parameters to reconfigure JJ into a form that can fight Godzilla, as well as the parameters to destroy the anchor that the singularity has dropped into this world, and incorporates them into the "song."

>>149877974
>Pero2 calculates in the Super Time Calculator the parameters to reconfigure JJ into a form that can fight Godzilla, as well as the parameters to destroy the anchor that the singularity has dropped into this world, and incorporates them into the "song."
Doesn't that settle it?

>>149877974
>>149877985
Retards, Pelops-2 only comes to that conclusion purely because of the "song" (which is itself as Jet Jaguar PP) that was literally sourced from SHIVA, which only existed because Ultima decided to let itself lose. The entire series is explicitly predetermined per the novel itself since everything is a dream of IT - their victory literally only happens because IT has dreamt all of this before and thus allowed the events to proceeds as they did.

>>149877974
Pretty certain this >>149877955 happens after the passage you just posted.

>>149877814
Use his laser vision to lobotomize Goku as soon as the fight begins (Goku is bad at lasers)

>>149877974
>>149877985
>>149878013
Note that the novel outright calls what defeated Godzilla a "miracle" and a "manner that defied existence itself". So it wasn't even Pelops-II that pulled it off despite running infinite calculations recursively. It was purely an act of God (IT) that allowed Godzilla to be defeated.

>It seems to me that miracles are ultimately buried by pure miracles, miracles of such nature that not even what constitutes a miracle could be known.

>Of course, this is nothing more than my own dream-like speculation, not even a proper inference. The reality that manifested in Tokyo must have been something utterly preposterous. There, it's entirely possible Godzilla was defeated in a manner that defied existence itself. I truly believe so.

>Nature, that strange force capable of permitting even such things.

>>149878013
No, it's before. That passage is Pelops explaining to Mei that it doesn't think a solution exist, the part I posted is the epilogue where Pelops reveals what actually happened (the solution to get rid of all archetype doesn't exist but a solution to get rid of most of it does and can be sent back in time encoded into the song)
>>149878003
You're just making up pure headcanon at this point. It's a bootstrap paradox where Pelops sends the information it calculates back in time so JJ can use it in the present, like the analogy of an MD5 hash where you need to know the solution from the start to decrypt it. All Godzilla's intervention does is give humanity the archetype and super-calculator needed to begin the understanding, which wouldn't apply to a cross-series match where a character can invent those kinds of things on their own.
>>149878034
>quoting the part that Pelops literally says isn't even an informed inference, just its own musings

>>149877974
>>149878013
The bit this one shitposter keeps reposting every thread only happens after the part that OP posts when Pelops 2 discovers the Melody within Shiva and it's explicitly called out that the "song" is completely impossible and should not have existed. The "song" is an impossible miracle that only existed within Shiva because Pelops 2 had woven itself into it and had created Jet Jaguar PP as a far-off descendant who would become The "song" from our reference point in a bootstrap paradox. And this would never have happened if Pelops 2 was not present there in Shiva (which itself would not have existed if Ultima hadn't decided to let it exist) to find the "song" and therefore create a future descendant who would become the "song" and travel back to the past before the Catastrophe.

>>149878056
>All Godzilla's intervention does is give humanity the archetype and super-calculator needed to begin the understanding, which wouldn't apply to a cross-series match where a character can invent those kinds of things on their own.
Banner literally cannot invent the means to compose the "song" because the "song" doesn't fucking exist without Pelops 2 specifically interacting with Shiva. Which cannot happen if Ultima does not let it happen. And even if it did, Banner would have less than 3 fucking hours to do this before the Catastrophe happens and he dies.

I'll also add that as Godzilla grows nearer to the Omega Point, it not only starts growing in power infinitely, but it's explicitly said it could basically become anything it wants. And cites two direct end of all existence scenarios as possible outcomes. This is before it ever actually reaches the Omega Point.

>Regarding this question, it had become exceedingly difficult to formulate any prediction. At this point, one could assert Godzilla had attained an existence capable of becoming all things.
>In the next instant, it would hardly be surprising if it ascended bearing wings and a halo. Equally plausible would be its inversion of space into an all-consuming void, or conversely, a void spewing forth all creation. Perhaps it might vanish as though snuffed out—such an outcome seemed equally conceivable. It could merely continue growing infinitely, or even advance its transformation into a mammalian form. Had it birthed offspring there, or split into multiple entities, none would evoke astonishment anymore. Within that state, all conceivable events transpired simultaneously, rendering even the totality of imaginable phenomena utterly unremarkable.

So it can essentially choose to end the match whenever if Ultima actually appears during the fight. Literally the only way Hulk wins is if it chooses to do nothing and give him the win.

>>149878078
You're being so obviously obtuse, it is unironically as simple as
>While in the super calculator, Pelops tried billions of methods to beat Godzilla, most of which failed
>It runs down several of the methods which could have possibly worked
>It concludes that the likeliest method that actually defeated Godzilla based on an analysis of the aftermath was it calculating parameters to upgrade Jet Jaguar and produce a code for the orthogonal diagonalizer that gets rid of enough archetype to BTFO Godzilla
>Pelops calculated these parameters and sent them back in time encoded into the song so that in the present day, Jet Jaguar could access them and upgrade itself
>Afterwards, Pelops gives the caveat that it's impossible to tell what precisely happened and it doesn't know what the origins of the oxygen destroyer are, and muses that it's possible it was all just a miracle
That's it. The entire bootstrap paradox only occurred in series because it was the only way in-context to give JJ the code in time, and Singular Point is explicitly deterministic so that only pure information can be sent back through time. None of that is required for the part that actually defeats Godzilla, which is a code that eliminates enough archetype to get rid of the anchor. If you're beyond what the characters in Singular Point were capable of, none of the extra steps are needed, all that matters is finding the parameters, which the text says in-plain clear as day were calculated by Pelops using the super calculator. I don't have anything else to say.

StrangeKINO.

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=14458506

I just gooned to this

>>149878070
CANOOOON

>>149878145
>It runs down several of the methods which could have possibly worked
>It concludes that the likeliest method that actually defeated Godzilla based on an analysis of the aftermath was it calculating parameters to upgrade Jet Jaguar and produce a code for the orthogonal diagonalizer that gets rid of enough archetype to BTFO Godzilla
Completely fucking wrong. Pelops doesn't determine anything until it finds the "song", which happens because Pelops from the future ALSO found the "song" in order to figure out how to encode himself in the "song" then send it into the past for his past self to find. If the song does not exist by default, then this cannot happen.

> Singular Point is explicitly deterministic so that only pure information can be sent back through time.
Where is the fucking source for this garbage you keep spouting?

>None of that is required for the part that actually defeats Godzilla, which is a code that eliminates enough archetype to get rid of the anchor.
Yes? It explicitly is - you can't defeat Ultima sans the Melody because you need it to conduct the 13th phase of Archetype to banish it from the universe. Just getting rid of the Archetype alone is not enough.

>>149877681
>Fallout Caesar vs Planet of the Apes Caesar
kek

>>149878145
NOOOO the solution in the hard science fiction inspired Godzilla HAS TO BE MAGIC

>>149878145
>were calculated by Pelops using the super calculator.
You mean the super calculator that Pelops only became because of Shiva? The Shiva that did not exist without Godzilla letting it exist? The same super calculator that could not find any solution to Godzilla until the "song" appeared per the exact text you're using and said "song" needed future Pelops as the super calculator to find it first to encode himself in it to send it back to the past to begin with? That super calculator?

You keep leaving out the context of what happened and why to perk off about how superior Marvel super science is, but no Marvel super scientist has ever made an infinitely recursive super calculator that calculates infinitely branching possibilities (>>149878078) and STILL couldn't find a solution until an impossible one was literally placed in their laps. And no Marvel scientist has done this in the less than 3 hours it will take before the Catastrophe happens.

Jin-Woo could beat Ultima.
You know, the version you actually see in Singular Point.

>>149878175
It literally is. Nice samefag though.

>>149878181
>The Shiva that did not exist without Godzilla letting it exist?
No

All these claims about Banner pulling a Pelops and beating Ultima that way never seem to really show him doing anything remotely similar. They just say he can and insist he does and we should take them at face value. Where exactly is the feat of Banner making a super calculator literally instantly and having it bootstrap paradox away a big bad?

>>149878190
Yes. Shiva is the sole reason Pelops 2 could even finalize the fucking calculations you're jerking off.

>>149878194
Why not?

>>149878163
>source for this garbage you keep spouting?
I'm now wondering how much attention you were paying during the series. Episode 10, Mei's conversation with Li discusses the issues with using time travel to solve problems. Li explains that the trick is to send information that isn't recognized as information. This is a recurring theme present in Ashihara's notes and is the series building up to and cleverly teasing the truth behind the song which comes full-circle in the finale.

Reminder that the Orthogonal Diagonalizer is based on the Oxygen Destroyer, which was provided by Godzilla (because he thought it was funny)

>>149878204
Because Bruce has never doen anything like this in his entire near century long existence as a character. You'd need to prove he can make something infinitely smarter than himself, hack it into one of the trunks of "It" which has already determined the Catastrophe (reminder that the only reason they knew about the Catastorphe was via Shiva and Ashihara who discovered it initially - Pelops and the gang had no idea what was going on before then), having it fail a literally infinite number of times to calculate the solution, magically stumble into a "song" that is the bootstrap paradox of its future self discovering the song to weave itself into the song to send back to itself in the past, then using that to banish the Singular Point from the universe. And he has to do this in less than 3 hours.

Hulk could just do whatever the OD did by punching the air.

>>149878185
Anon... I don't blame you desu

>>149878216
>Episode 10, Mei's conversation with Li discusses the issues with using time travel to solve problems. Li explains that the trick is to send information that isn't recognized as information.
That doesn't say that time travel is only wpone way, only that sending information back to the past is immensely tricky. We see that the Singular Points and IT don't care about those exact same rules you're claiming are hard cut because they see and experience every moment in time simultaneously - Ultima observes Jet Jaguar becoming a Singular Point like itself long before that ever occurs.

>>149878229
Damn, three hours is a lot of time.

>>149878204
>>149878229
Also the only way that Pelops could determine to let itself face Godzilla and stop the Catastrophe even with the song was to essentially become a Singular Point itself, another trunk of IT. So the proposed win-con for Banner isn't even him beating Ultima; it's literally just IT defeating itself.

>>149878246
Only because Ultima is intentionally letting things go that way. It's outright said in >>149878098 that it can destroy existence even before reaching the Omega Point which is the actual Catastrophe. It just doesn't because it doesn't want to.

Canonically buck-brakes your favorite character

>>149878264
>Only because Ultima is intentionally letting things go that way.
If that's it's MO, wouldn't it just do the same in any match up?

>>149878282
No, because in the case of SP all the events in the series are predetermined by IT - IT has already dreamed of them and dreamt itself losing by design. In a DB, IT has not dreamt itself losing to Hulk and would have no reason to.

>>149878269
Reminder that the player character in Fortnite canonically beat a Darth Vader and Dr. Doom who weren't depowered. (They were literally story quests for those seasons)

>>149878181
If you can make a calculator that operates at infinite speed without utilizing archetype, this is all completely irrelevant. Pelops 2 merged with the super calculator and calculated the parameters required to upgrade Jet Jaguar and get rid of enough archetype. It says that itself. The song is the method it achieves that realization and sends the code back in time for because in the context of the series that is all it can do. If you can achieve a different method to get the same result (the necessary parameters, which verbatim can be calculated using an infinite speed supercomputer), everything else is irrelevant. The entire idea that it was all Godzilla simply allowing itself to lose and actually the entire events of the series were totally irrelevant is headcanon that's never stated, if it was you would have posted it by now instead of gesturing at unrelated text and then pretending it means that.
Nowhere is it stated Godzilla let itself lose, nowhere is it stated the song is an axiomatic necessity, nowhere it is stated that Pelops is actually bullshitting when it gives an in-depth explanation about what it most likely did. You can just post the epilogue text in full and it says what happened, none of this handwringing is necessary

>>149878351
>If you can make a calculator that operates at infinite speed without utilizing archetype, this is all completely irrelevant.
Something you haven't proven Banner is capable of. Let alone in any actionable timeframe. Even if he is, he'd still need to code an AI like Pelops 2 to interface with it in a battlefield where he won't have any of those tools to work with.

>If you can achieve a different method to get the same result (the necessary parameters, which verbatim can be calculated using an infinite speed supercomputer), everything else is irrelevant.
The necessary parameters hinge on your infinite speed sueprcomputer being exactly like Shiva, which is a trunk of IT and knew about the Catastrophe from the start. Even if you built an infinite speed supercomputer, if it's not like Shiva with an inherent connection to IT as a Singular Point and knowledge of the Catastrophe then it isn't going to do shit. The mechanisms behind its knowledge and calculations are entirely external to its nature as a supercomputer.

>The entire idea that it was all Godzilla simply allowing itself to lose and actually the entire events of the series were totally irrelevant is headcanon that's never stated
Literally stated point-blank in the novel. But seeing as you missed the fact that Shiva isn't a 'normal' supercomputer and keep insisting any one could do, I'm not surprised you missed this too.

>>149877379 (OP)
Jake is 10ft tall and freakishly strong.
With reinforced bones.
Cesar stands no chance here.

>>149877598
Based.

>>149878351
>Nowhere is it stated Godzilla let itself lose,
>It” dreamt of the past, within the past saw the future, and within the future continued to dream of seeing the future within the past.

>It perpetually began its own beginning, ended its own ending, ceased to begin beginnings, and ceaselessly commenced the cessation of endings.

>Reality was memory, and memory was indistinguishable from reality.

From the prolonged. Reality itself is equated to a memory of a dream that It is having and perpetually awakening from within said dream. All of the events within the series are the result of this. And we are told outright that the OD tech that prompted Ashihara's own research was the result of an intentionally failed manifestation by Ultima. The series is very clear cut that It has set itself up to lose from the very beginning.

>>149878388
>Something you haven't proven Banner is capable of
I don't care if that's what you're arguing. If you think Banner isn't capable of that then fine, that's a separate topic. I'm arguing that you seem resistant to the idea that any character from any other fictional series is capable of replicating the conditions that defeated Godzilla, and I'm arguing against you making things up about what happened.
>knowledge of the Catastrophe then it isn't going to do shit
What exactly do you think "infinite speed supercomputer" means and can do? This isn't stated either. The novel goes into detail about how it's mechanisms work from the perspective of a hard sci-fi machine.
>>149878413
This is what I mean by headcanons. You're extrapolating the intro text to mean something it isn't saying. Point to me where it says it gave the characters the answer. Point to me where Pelops says "Actually I didn't calculate anything".
>I'm not surprised you missed this too
I was the only posting actual scans and pages from the novel.

Vision has to have, hands down, one of the worst profiles on vsbw. Did they even try? What do they mean by “unknown”? They make it sound like he has no feats whatsoever.

>>149878351
>>149878413
We are also outright told and shown that IT intentionally stages its own "defeats" and then just wins anyway.

>"It has been beaten down many times, beaten down, beaten down, and oppressed those who stood in its way, but even these were matters of little importance to it. Again and again, it met with similar opponents; again and again, it met with new ones, again. It met with new ones; again and again, it fought until it was completely victorious, and even after it was victorious, it kept repeating its legs forever. Even the eternal had already been defeated. It has defeated even its own defeat and has destroyed all the worlds it has defeated."

And we are point blank told it let its previous manifestation lose so that it could try again later.

>"It temporarily adopted a technique that allows for such violent changes in form that caterpillars take wing and fly. In order to make this sleep possible, they even erased themselves from the universe at one time. In order to quickly circumvent the difficulty of directly erasing itself by its own power, it decided to leave its annihilation in the hands of humans, and since the 12Omm physical bullets of the Type 10 were not enough to erase it in this world, it even generated its own fuel to burn itself out. It stripped itself of the universe, leaving behind a shell of dreams, then reshaped itself and re-entered its shell."

>>149878456
I loved the part in Singular Point where the characters won and then the universe exploded anyway because actually Godzilla let itself lose, defeated its own defeat and then destroyed the world it defeated.

>>149877814
Wow goku fans have really given up. Genuinely depressing.

>>149878449
They didn't even try with Human Torch

>>149878446
>I'm arguing that you seem resistant to the idea that any character from any other fictional series is capable of replicating the conditions that defeated Godzilla
I never said this. Please keep the mentally ill voices in your head to yourself, thanks.

>What exactly do you think "infinite speed supercomputer" means and can do?
It doesn't mean it can make impossible statements, for one.

>This isn't stated either.
Wrong.

>If the appearance of the creature is due to Shiva's influence, shouldn't it be born from Shiva himself? What Shiva will do is beyond human knowledge," BB replied. "Well," BB replied, "there's no doubt that there's something underground. Since we don't know what's going on, we'll just have to go and see for ourselves. Union Compound India's secret is a physical one. It is, to put it mildly, not something that should exist in the world and could cause any logical contradiction paradox at any moment.

Not only is Shiva a singular point, but it is outright something "beyond human knowledge" which should not exist and is a literal paradox. The rest of the passage goes on to say that Shiva literally breaks existence itself and could risk paradoxing the entire universe out of existence.

>The name of the secret is called Singularity. It is named "Shiva" and around it, various physical laws are broken. Even the way physical laws are broken is broken. For example, a distortion of space is observed in the vicinity of Shiva.

>>149878449
To be fair,I don't think Vision is popular enough to have fans willing to work on his profile on that wiki

>>149878491
We never see what occurs after Ultima is banished but we know that Salunga, another Singular Point still exists, and that Ashihara is making a Mechagodzilla as a cliffhanger. The series was clearly trying to show that whatever happened didn't actually affect Ultima in any lasting sense and the world is probably still fucked, just not in the immediate way the Catastrophe would have done.

>>149878505
>Shiva itself is thought to be a point without size, but it is surrounded by a rock-like crust. Like an oyster, it armors itself with a substance of its own creation. The molecules that make up the shell are the so-called archetypes. From somewhere out there in the world, something is sticking out of its face and creating some mysterious macromolecule around it. This something is called a singularity because there is no other name for it. Archetype molecules, whose structures are known but which humans have not been able to create. Shiva creates and wears a substance whose behavior can barely be tracked by simulation. Archetype molecules are "molecules that require high-dimensional manipulation for synthesis" and therefore cannot be synthesized by humans.

The novel essentially completely outlines that Shiva's construction has nothing to do with human hands, it's just a reality breaking glitch in the universe like any other singular point. I have no idea how or where the other guy is getting it being a simple supercomputer from.

>>149878516
Yeah, but his profile has been up since 2015. Even if only one or two people worked on it sporadically, if this is the best they could do in nearly 10 years, that’s pretty sad.

Ultima wank was easier to swallow before I watched SP.

>>149877618
>>149877622
I proposed before the potential existence of an entity called "One-With-All", essentially like a good version of MOAH that's created from the Hulk's mind

We respect Kratos And Sung Jinwoo here

>>149877483
KINGTOS

>>149878578
>Ultima wank
It's literally all in the show and novel.

So Hulk has no realistic wincons?

>>149878505
>Not only is Shiva a singular point, but it is outright something "beyond human knowledge" which should not exist and is a literal paradox
Okay
>The rest of the passage goes on to say that Shiva literally breaks existence itself and could risk paradoxing the entire universe out of existence.
Okay
None of this matters. Obviously Shiva breaks reality, that's spelled out in the anime too. I don't know how else to tell you that we can't invent infinite speed supercomputers in real life. The entire introduction of archetype is about how the chances of creating archetype on your own is like finding one molecule out of the entire universe and would require a 1 in 10 billion year genius (actual analogy they use), which lets the characters conclude it must come from a glitch in reality. The characters then use archetype to do the rest of the plot. Shiva breaks reality because it uses reality warping molecules to create a CTC which allows for infinite speed calculations and is a singular point. That doesn't change what it actually does, which is do infinite speed calculations. If a character from another series can make an infinite speed computer without using archetype then they match its function.
>>149878524
This is entirely unrelated at this point but I don't understand how you could misread the message of the series so badly. Please genuinely tell me what you think the ending of the last episode as the characters walk away was supposed to mean.

>>149878604
Not in the slightest. His only option would be to go full Banner then try to bullshit up a supercomputer, but not only would he probably die doing that it would require a Singulsr Point to begin with.

>>149878449
Remember before Immortal Hulk got his own book and Ewing decided Devil Hulk was actually nice and supported LGBTQ, he was just going around murdering people, Vision included?

>>149878605
>>obliterates Wario no diff with or without Gacha scaling
On opposite day.

>>149878614
>None of this matters.
The entire crux of your argument required Shiva to be something that Banner can replicate as a normal supercomputer and you repeatedly claimed that it was and that it being a singular point was "headcanon". If Banner CANNOT replicate Shiva's nature as a singular point, then he cannot figure out the Catastrophe and cannot take the steps needed to prevent it.

>>149878637
>something that Banner can replicate
I never said this
>at it being a singular point was "headcanon"
I never said this

If you can replicate an infinite speed supercomputer you can do everything Shiva does. It being a singular point that utilizes archetype is what allows it to find the necessary parameters through infinite speed calculations. If a character from another series matches that via their own magic intellect (a possibility Singular Point itself raises) then you're fine.

>>149878604
It's always been a mismatch. People assumed Ultima wasn't going to be used because of that. That and it really reduces their parallels as a good MU, since Ultima is no longer allegory for the dangers of the bomb. In fact he's literally not radioactive.

>>149878650
Okay but Banner isn't Braniac.

>>149878650
>If you can replicate an infinite speed supercomputer you can do everything Shiva does.
You literally cannot. They even mention in the novel itself another case where thry made ultra-time computers separate from Shiva as a point of comparison.

>It is not a dream to "tune" the orthogonal diagonalized. Reedwara, who had succeeded in constructing an ultra-time computer at this facility, had discovered a group of archtype molecules through simulations. Most of the molecular structures of archetypes that we have today were calculated by Rehwara at that time and are out of our reach now. The reason is that we do not have access to ultra-time computers. At the same time he performed the calculations, he also synthesized the molecules, which are inaccessible to us today.

They know exactly how to build ultra-time computers, it's just unfeasible for multiple reasons.

>>149878619
>>149878662
Alright, since most of the discussion has been about Hulk being able to kill Ultima, can Ultima kill Hulk in turn?
This is important because we know that killing your opponent over and over is good enough to count as a win under Death Battle's ruleset and I assume the same would apply to avatars.

>>149878650
>>149878684
It's also pointed out in the novelization itself that everything Shiva does is because of the singularity. And that messing with it is incredibly fucking dangerous.

>Any computation that takes a long time can be completed in a fraction of a second. The singularity makes it possible. In principle. The experiment began by looking ahead to the result O.1 second ahead, then one second ahead, then ten seconds ahead, and so on. As the distance to the future increased, the output became more unstable, but still within the expected range. The situation changed when an attempt was made to preempt the result 100 million seconds into the future. A sudden glitch spread across the entire time axis, and the overlapping futures concentrated their energy. BB spread his hands out, palms facing upward,in a gesture that seemed to indicate an explosion.

Even ignoring that Banner can't pull an infinite speed supercomputer out his ass in a combat scenario (in fact, most capeshit scientists can't. Even peak Reed needs prep), he wouldn't be able to replicate what Shiva does because it all relies on the Singular Point. And without it, figuring out not only what the Catastrophe is, but how to address it, is beyond him. There are characters who COULD do it but Banner is not one of them.

>>149878704
If Ultima can destroy The Below Place.

>>149877620
I legitimately don't think the team is smart enough to make this fight "intelligent". It'll just be a montage of things they did from their original series and the other guy will get hit/neg/dodge it based on what the fight needs to happen.

>>149878667
This is quoting the section of the novel that says they know it's possible to produce archetype and configure the Orthogonal Diagonalizer because they had infinite-speed supercomputers which did that, so thank you for confirming my argument.
Also thank you for confirming what I was suspecting from your posts
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arceus0x/Godzilla_Singular_Point_Novelization_Scan_Blog
This is the exact broken translation the Vsbattles blog uses down to repeated lines and spelling mistakes, you just copy pasted it. You can get better results using a machine translation on your own right now
>>149878712
This is explained in the show too. They can't loop too closely in the future because it will cause a combinatorial explosion, which is what they think killed Ashihara. They can't loop too far in the future because the singularity is breaking the laws of physics and giving wrong results. As a result, by nature of the super-calculator's mechanisms, they're more limited than what they could do if they had a no-bullshit infinite speed computer. The text says that outright.

>>149878704
Ultima merely existing for too long (around 3 hours, maybe less) causes it to reach the Omega Point and bring about the Catastrophe. The Catastrophe at minimum encompasses an M integral number of realities (where M can signify an uncountably infinite set) and would be enough to destroy the current 'dream'. Except that we are told in the novel that each dream is recursively nested inside a greater dream which is in turn nested inside another dream and so on and so on, with each dream inaccessible to anything outside of it creating a nested hierarchy that contains further hierarchies. And this structure is inferior to the Omega Point all Singular Points are trying to reach and which Ultima will reach unless banished, so it's far beyond even that. Ultima itself could outright destroy everything even before reaching the Omega Point >>149878098 but doesn't because it chooses to not do so.

Even if we take the highest possible interpretation where Hulk scales beyond all of Marvel's cosmology and we map all of Mafvel's multiverses to an uncountably infinite set, this is still below where Ultima is even before it reaches the Omega Point. His only wincon was to try and replicate Shiva and he can't, so the Catastrophe begins and he dies.

>>149878667
I don't care if he is, I'm just laying out what's actually needed intellect and calculation wise to defeat Godzilla because so many of the arguments around it are nonsense. Once that's sorted you can discuss what Banner can do.

>>149878757
>As a result, by nature of the super-calculator's mechanisms, they're more limited than what they could do if they had a no-bullshit infinite speed computer.
Which is not something that can be created by the character featured in this matchup, yes. And they outright say that they can do supercomputations with Shiva right now, it's just dangerous. What Pelops did, calculating exponentially ramifying possibilities that created infinitely branching paths would not have been possible otherwise.

Who can he fight?

>>149878773
>I don't care if he is, I'm just laying out what's actually needed intellect and calculation wise to defeat Godzilla
Except that your arguments aren't reflective of the actual text, you ignore actually critical information and the discussion we have been having this entire time is whether BRUCE BANNER can actually build an infinite computation supercomputer running off of CTCs with access to a Singular Point in order to create an AI that can use this to then run infinite calculations to create a bootstrap paradox to make itself into Singular Point itself to cancel out the Catastrophe. And the answer is no.

>>149878803
Jack Reacher or Red Hood

>>149878803
Composite Snake

>>149878803
Judge Dredd

>>149878787
You're agreeing with me that an infinite speed computer would be enough and said infinite speed computer was used by Pelops to calculate the needed parameters, so I don't feel the need to continue. Good discussion, thank you for the concession.

>>149878819
Frank murders the shit out of Snake.

>>149878832
>You're agreeing with me that an infinite speed computer would be enough
I didn't agree with shit. An average infinite speed supercomputer can't replicate the infinite (explicitly stated in the original Japanese text) CTCs needed to even begin facilitating what you're saying and because it's not a Singular Point, it can't even begin to interact with Godzilla because the novel ALSO says that Singular Points like Ultima are indestructible to anything within the framework of space-time - Shiva allowed Pelops to get around this by being a Singular Point itself. You've wasted everyone's time spouting off a heaping pile of bullshit instead of anything worthwhile.

>>149878819
>Light speed 100 tonner city block punching Punisher vs 1000 tonner Mach 1000 Snake
Please no this would be awful

>>149878204
He doesn't really do that. Personally I think he could 'figure it out' in like a general event sort of way and work with others to banish Ultima. No way is he doing it mid surprise fight. The guy isn't the Flash where he is going to somehow come up with the solution and make the device for said solution in a few minutes all while Ultima is trying to kill him

Sam vs Am

>>149878832
>>149878883
Also the Singular Points are themselves "supercomputers", universe-sized ones even. What makes Shiva notable isn't that it's an infinite speed supercomputer, but that it's a competing Singular Point. Has Banner (or whatever hypothetical super scientist you're wanting off) ever created a higher dimensional universe that is itself its own infinite super-computation processor? No? Then he cannot match what Shiva has done.

>>149878909
Endgame Sam would stomp

>>149878923
well now wait a minute. how'd they engineer universe sized computers?

>>149877379 (OP)
I wonder why avatar match-ups are so uncommon

>>149878944
zero cultural impact.

I just noticed that the M cardinal argument and every scan posted are all copy pasted from that one redditor's blog
https://constantagony0107.blogspot.com/2025/07/hulk-vs-godzilla-infinite-sun7000-blog.html
https://imgur.com/a/metric-m-uncountably-infinite-dimensions-xD5vcfL
https://imgur.com/Z4Gp2Um
Exact same links, images and arguments. That explains a lot.

>>149878934
They didn't. Ashihara found Shiva, constructed the facility around it, then found out that you can use it to make super-computations and through that discovered the Archetypes and impending Catastrophe. Shiva had always existed and they just exploited it.

>>149878932
This is just stacking cardinals to fuck marvel. Sad.

>>149878951
Damn. Evem redditors godzila fans know ultima fuck marvel to death.

>>149878958
Marvel was fucked from the word go. We've just been wasting time running around dealing with Hulkfags insisting otherwise even though Ultima is being used.

>>149878951
All of those arguments are the exact same pretty much everyone I've seen has brought up for SP, even before that blog was made.

>>149878953
you're gonna have to explain this like I'm five years old

>>149878944
I couldn't name a single character from it

>>149879017
>Shiva, an infinite speed supercomputer and universe (Singular Point) exists on its own
>produces Archetypes, impossible higher dimensional molecules
>Ashihara, a scientist, discovers it - finds out it can make super-computations due to creating an infinite series of Closed Timelike Curves (CTCs) around itself as an infinite speed supercomputer the size of our universe
>eventually deduces the nature of the Archetype and Shiva using it, learns about the Catastrophe
>plan is put in place to halt the Catastrophe

>>149878951
>This ambiguous symbol is a capital M. Based on context, it could represent finite, countably infinite, uncountably infinite, or even larger cardinalities. All are plausible, especially considering the SP universe is constructed from the language of mathematics.

>it could be a finite number, countably infinite, uncountably infinite or larger
>this is the point for it being uncountably infinite
????

>>149879055
The point is that depending on context, it could be any of those three. Finite is out because it's contradicted by the broader equation, and the series itself. So it's either countably or uncountably infinite.

>>149878944
Aang vs Jake Sully when?

>>149879084
How's Jake meant to win unless Aang starts impaled on Jake's spear

>inane math babble
Hulk Smash.
>b-but
Hulk.
Smash.

>>149879070
but i thought the only thing the series actually said on how many dimensions there might be is "countless"

I can't believe Bruce Bamner failed math class

>>149879119
Can't smash what you can't math.

>>149879055
Don't even bother, the entire blog is like this, literally half the shit is stuff he made up as he went or justified off literal nothing or using very flimsy connections to real world physics
I don't even necessarily fault him for thinking Godzilla wins but he clearly does not understand how Death Battle does research or arrives at verdicts (or maybe he actually does, given he's recently started saying Hulk will likely win)

GODulk and CHADnner will win.

>>149879128
It uses the term "infinite" a couple times in the novel or terms that can be translated as such. And the big equation that the M integral is just a part of implies either an inherently infinite or arbitrary series, which you can extend. It also uses wording and phrasing for the "sea of possibilities" that exists that implies it covers all possibilities and also impossible things.

So even if we go with a really low and generous interpretation, you'd just have to formally extend it and not much would change.

is hollow knight really infinite layers into boundless?

>>149879162
I've gotten the impression from this and that big supercomputer argument above that Ultima is heavily wanked using out of context statements and extrapolations but is still impressive and hard to beat setting it aside. Seems like you could fairly argue for either Godzilla or Hulk depending on what ends you use.

>>149879174
?

>>149879162
>or using very flimsy connections to real world physics
The man behind the series, both anime and novel, is an actual real world mathematician. Why wouldn't he do so? Especially when the series directly mentions these things?

>>149879190
there's a difference between the series using concepts from real life physics and somebody who doesn't understand them watching/reading and then making wild leaps based on physics they don't understand

>>149879042
you have my thanks. I don't mean to sound like a debbie downer but all this doesn't evoke "Godzilla" to me; and to be fair TOBA doesn't evoke "Hulk" to me either. I hope the fight animation at least presents it in a cool way

>>149879200
It leans more into the "Unstoppable monster" side of Godzilla

>>149879162
>>149879190
The only thing I've seen from the guy that's an external real world theory is the David Deutsch thing, which the novel itself directly cites as being a big part of the time-calculator stuff. Specifically, it directly mentions his theory of many worlds which maps our universe to a countably infinite set.

>>149879184
I think ultimately the argument that they'll go with and the one that makes the most sense for both a casual viewer and anyone who has even the slightest bit of scrutiny or doubt to Ultima's feats is that he's an unsolvable and unbeatable problem within a setting that's far less powerful and advanced than Marvel, basically a repeat of Galactus vs Unicron with added steps

>>149879198
Most of the physics and math Toh Enjoe uses are concepts anyone familiar with cardinality or higher infinities can grasp. In fact, SP isn't necessarily any harder to understand than Self-Reference Engine. If you can understand that then SP isn't that difficult.

>>149879212
I guessss. but I would compare Godzilla to a nuclear weapon or a volcanic eruption. maybe an asteroid strike. this is pushing it

>>149879224
>within a setting that's far less powerful and advanced than Marvel,
Marvel hasn't faced anything remotely like Ultima so I'm not sure how you or DB would come to this conclusion. The closest thing is TOBA and that wasn't beaten by fighting it but by literally convincing TOAA to stop and leave peacefully because they COULDN'T fight it.

>>149879224
>>149879246
They've also spent way too much time insisting how difficult this fight is to debate, so if it were as simple as Galactus VS Unicron then we wouldn't have them making such statements or having to delay the episode another week. Whilst I have zero faith in DB, it probably isn't so clear cut.

>>149879162
The math nerd using cardinalities isn't a reach, what?

>>149879227
Ultima using Shin's adapting would just change the equation so it's impossible to solve

>>149879258
I mean, I assume a big chunk of that is translating the novel, deciding where to interpret things, and also literally just studying two characters with 60+ years of history and a shitload of abilities and in Godzilla's case how to square his multiple incarnations with each other
It's their job to come down to a digestible and concise verdict in the first place

Why is everyone shitting themselves over Ultima when it's GiH that truly propels Godzilla to the realm of ultra giga bullshit

I really wish they did a G1 blog but muh toxicity

>>149879285
Ultima itself has statements of evolving infinitely or encompassing "all possibilities". So it could even do that itself. Or just immediately end the match even without the Omega Point.

This really all comes down to them being incredibly selective with what they give Ultima for statements. Hulk can win if they just go the big dumb monster route, but loses horribly if they add any of the major novel shit.

>>149879246
Somebody didn't read Gillen's X-Men or Venom: The End

What's stopping Godzilla from just ignoring a loss and winning anyway?

>>149879302
Ultima is the strongest Goji version period and the novel makes him even more BS. GiH is good, but relies even more on statements to get to a truly absurd level rather than being there by default.

>>149879302
it's because of the muh scientifically accurate autists who insist that something using real (actually made up) science is automatically stronger. when the truth is that ultima's made up science about fictional made up higher dimensions only let it shoot below building level lasers

>>149879285
Nta but unsure if I'd argee. Shin's organic evolution does counter new threats or possible future ones, but it takes time, often hours. Even saying he completely vaporized Hulk and now waits between full Green Door regeneration, I just dont see him having enough time to evolve a full counter

>>149879309
Enigma outright had a fuckton of limitations that Ultima does not (such as certain flaws in his acausality) and like your image shows, was beaten by getting punched out anyway.

>>149879304
To be fair, it helps more the avatar which is more or less just used to buy time, and distract hulk before hitting him with a cardinal bomb.

>>149879304
Shin's adapting is as fast as his healing. This is composite Godzilla so when Godzilla auto heals like Perfect HlCell it'll use Shin's adapting to neg whatever hurt it in the first place.

>>149879162
>Arctic posts in these threads
Weird

>>149879336
*Multiversal building level lasers that erase you from all of time and space

>>149879336
>using real (actually made up)
Retard.

>when the truth is that ultima's made up science about fictional made up higher dimensions only let it shoot below building level lasers
Those same lasers in the novel are outright said to rupture space-time and spawn entire universes.

Reminder that the zillatards harping about cardinals or whatever are lying. Asked GODGPT about the equation from the show and uh, yeah.

>>149879389
>asking Chatgpt anything
Already wrong from the word go.

>>149879389
You might as well just ask Reddit

>>149879409
Prove it wrong

>>149879389
>JEETGPT
>REDDITGPT

>>149879409
ChatGPT is smarter than any Redditor or powerscaler.

>>149879413
Plebbit is the one wanking Gayshitter

>>149879389
>>149879409
Covariant derivatives are used to define manifolds and Hausdorff spaces, all of which can be mapped to 2ℵ0 assuming the axikm of choice is present.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covariant_derivative
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold

Imagine the meltdowns if DB makes a SU character win against a DBZ character

>>149879378
>>149879366
Yawn
Building level zilla

>>149879464
She seems to have more in common with King Cold. She'd probably still beat him.

>>149877379 (OP)
Why does Death Battle default to "strong and unkillable gorillions of TNT mach 9000" matchups and doesn't feature glass cannon chars?

>>149879467
Vector has such badass powers. He and the Wrecker are underrated as fuck

>>149879464
Has White even done anything impressive besides mind controlling Gems specifically and ripping Steven's gem out

>>149879464
>meltdowns

After years of db? We'd probably just joke around during the waiting period. Actually, I think the best part of the db match-ups is the waiting period.

Mostly for the banter

>>149879467
>Hulk was getting BTFO by a faggot who got BTFO by puff balls
Yawn, Ultima stomps.

>>149879467
>Vector using all his power and CHADlk ignoring it

>>149879486
cause battleboarders are insecure autists who want to self insert as infallible monoliths with no personality

>>149879366
>>149879378
...unless they get stopped by wall level durability, forgot to say.

>>149879467
Those puffballs? Casually GAPE every version of buildinglevelzilla btw

>>149879414
>>149879419
See >>149879462. The only real issue is that this doesn't help us determine whether or not it's countable or uncountable. I'd have to see the full equation to try and check.

>>149879467
Someone post the Hulk getting annihilated by a monkey

>>149878194
Didn't Banner essentially turn Hulk into a cyborg quantum computer to run simulations to try and amp his anger in that Cates run everyone hates?
And that made him strong enough to (in Cates' words) go all out with Thor to a level that their battles never reached before?
Yeah that's a split feat between Banner and Hulk but their both in this match as far as I know.

>>149879521
..Unless Shin Godzilla adpats it's laser to ignore durability.

>>149879322
>but relies even more on statements to get to a truly absurd level
They're literally word of the author

>>149879488
No but they'd probably do the same bullshit wank they did to get Steven to planet buster tier with that shiny light that corrupted gems on earth but did no damage to it

>>149879521
...But I'm just joking, because that never actually happens. Hulk getting knocked by Spider-Man, however? Very canon.

>>149879535
well yeah shin is stronger than ultima

>>149879531
That gorilla who fought a weaker Hulk was being amped by Man-Thing, a being that sees beings like Ultima as just a casual dream

>>149879556
True. Better laser feats.

>>149879553
...and by "that never actually happens", I'm talking about Ultima's lasers doing anything above wall level.

>>149879538
A lot of people tend to ignore them, is the thing. Especially because they aren't directly reflected in the book.

>>149879577
Was this at the Cincinnati Zoo?

>>149879574
...which would be the case if I was lying, because it's explicitly described and shown to destroy everything, even multiversal buildings

>>149879553
>because that never actually happens
...except for the part where we see him take 30 seconds to charge a beam that takes 2-3 seconds to go through a wall.

>>149879533
>Didn't Banner essentially turn Hulk into a cyborg quantum computer to run simulations to try and amp his anger in that Cates run everyone hates?
Yes, but that's not a combat relevant feat. He couldn't do that on the fly and even then, there's nothing involving CTCs or anything like the general bullshit going on with Shiva.

>>149879589
The nature of Ultima's beam is that it's firing in the future long before it fires from our present. Any "charging time" or other such things is irrelevant because the beam has already fired long before the actual physical blast emerges. Likewise, trying to judge its destructive capacity based off of that is pointless and beside the point.

>>149879590
>He couldn't do that on the fly
I mean he didn't have to, he already set it all up before he even knew he was gonna fight Thor.

>>149879589
Because of how Ultima's laser works it gets more powerful with each use..This being the first shot means it was the weakest.

>>149879602
>Any "charging time" or other such things is irrelevant because the beam has already fired long before the actual physical blast emerges
Oh wow, I'll be hit with a sub wall level laser before I'll actually be hit with it!
Hulk gapes.

>>149879602
Then why does it not damage buildings until after the charge and the beam makes contact?
Why didn't it no-diff Jet Jaguar, which even with Archetype manipulation and programming from the future, shouldn't have an answer to that?

>>149879589
How do people still post this clip when we see Ultima slice through buildings the next time he uses his beams? It's almost like he's constantly getting stronger or something.

>>149879624
Ultima bros.... What the fuck is this

>>149879611
I thought he defied muh causality and that the beam was already presupposed by future events to be as strong as it could ever be though

>>149879622
It did no-diff Invincible Jet Jaguar, though. The only reason why it got banished was because of the impossible solution.

>>149877419
Oh dont worry, thats just BBC liquid.

>>149879625
A better question is why does no one posts the following gif.

>>149879625
Because Ultimaniggers are claiming he's already as powerful as he'll ever be thanks to time shit and that his beams could always create universes

Those are multiversal buildings, btw

>>149879405
>It really can't overwrite the universe
Subuniversalzilla....

>>149879616
>a sub wall level laser
>There was a truly singular existence that sought to chain its own future. There was the one who had caused a future that Gojira could not see. Nearby, there is the wreckage of a robot. It took some effort to shoot down the robot, called Jet Jaguar, which flitted around like a small insect, but there was no matter, space-time, or causality in the universe that could not be torn apart by Gojira's atomic beam.

>The molecular lasers emitted from Gojira's mouth are amplified in time, and the phases of the material are aligned to form an intense light that cuts through the space. The space-time ruptured as it could no longer withstand the intensity of the laser, and I could see the ruptures boiling with tiny bubbles. Each one was supposed to be the source of the universe with its own possibilities

>>149879639
>Literally get banished by the enemies intended wincon
>"n-no diff..."
Ultima bros must hate their own anime.

>>149878449
The page was probably old and they didnt have a scalers to update it so they deleted it.

So Godzilla is a KINGtos SCHOLAR?

>>149879577
That Gorilla was a confrimed Galactus level threat btw.

So now that we know Godzilla stomps. What will be the next match?

>>149879667
All of that and modern Japan somehow managed to construct walls for their buildings that could withstand the beam for multiple seconds when it's actually shown in practice, crazy

>>149879625
I mean people are claiming the beam hits before it even charges so it shouldn't really matter if it gets stronger, with an ability like that.

>>149879665
The guy making that claim is wrong. We see and have it stated multiple times in both the novel and show that Ultima and the Singular Points regularly and frequently overwrite the universe.

>These entities were not particularly seeking out universes. They possessed the power to warp any universe into a form suited to their own design. If the desired universe did not exist within reach, it was merely a matter of overwriting reality with a preferred universe of their making.

The only thing he's even vaguely correct on is that Ultima perceives all space-and-time as one singular thing.

>>149879670
Yeah, Jet Jaguar was easily killed trying to do it

My mech.....jobbed to its own power source.

>>149879700
>easily
>trying

>>149879694
>FASTER THAN TIME beam

>>149879670
The enemies intended wincon was the very solution given to them by Ultima itself, via Shiva. Everything happening to halt the Catastrophe was directly caused by Ultima and IT.

>>149879692
Crazy that Godzilla pierced through infinitely durable buildings, yeah

>>149879695
>the guy making the claim (isn't that literally the author?) is wrong
>but we're still going to use his claims anyway
Reminder kaijutards unironically think they're the "Simon" of this match btw

>>149879709
Zudah bros...

>>149879667
>supposed
i guess that supposition was wrong and the laser that needs to get stronger over time doesn't have infinite power after all

>>149879714
shit's hitscan lmao

>>149879718
Hulk is stronger than himself and is infinitely powerful so you'll need more than that bucko

>>149879648
>Because Ultimaniggers are claiming he's already as powerful as he'll ever be thanks to time shit
Nobody claimed that though? It was just said that they effectively have no charge-up time due to firing before they even appear.

>>149879720
>guy making the claim (isn't that literally the author?)
He's not the author - the author and director of SP is Toh Enjoe. That guy is just some dude who got the novel and poorly translated before spreading around misinfo.

>>149879695
>>149879678
>WoG is wrong, except where it's right
>also wall level BEAST masquerading as a BOUNDLESS BULL
GODzilla truly is the KINGtos of this fight. KINGtos won btw and so will Gayshitta. Pity win zilla

>>149879734
That humam is from danny phantom, btw.

>>149879751
Again, not WoG. See >>149879739. Toh Enjoe has never commented regarding Godzilla Ultima being purely deterministic and the entire novel contradicts that claim.

>>149879739
Why is he brought up for your blog then NIGGER

>>149879709
Getter Robo bro....

Wtf I just got hit by a light show spat out by some ugly giant iguana. I'm a bit bloody and burnt but besides that I'm more or less ok.

>>149879767
When did Getter job to Getter?

>Racism

Gentle FUCKING Men.....

>>149879765
>blog
What are you talking about?

>>149879731
Godzilla is boundless and has hyper adapting so he just negs all of Hulk's shit.

>>149879768
Don't worry, it's not radioactive.

>>149879782
Those hits would've killed Goku btw

>>149879765
GRAAHHHHHH!!! (can't say SKREEONK because I have nothing to do with godzilla even remotely) I'LL MAKE YOU PAY FOR THAT, RACIST! MY DAUGHTER AND XYR NONBINARYFEMME PARTNER DESERVE A WORLD FREE OF BIGOTRY! TAKE MY SPACETIME DESTR- NNNNOOOOOOOO STOP HIDING BEHIND A WALL

>>149879765
he's one of the many avatars of toh enjoe (infinite dimensional entity outside of causality and the only being in existence who understands math). he's also the only reason his writings have antifeats, he gave them to us because he thought it would be funny.

>>149879788
Even just Spider-BEAST is boundless and he's one of the weakest characters in Marvel

>>149879768
regular anon...

>>149879782
Is it an anti-feat if it's one of the only times the ability is used?

>>149879782
>Comicfags talking about anti-feats
>Comicfags talking about made up science
>Comicfags talking about homosexuality
>Comicfags talking about cucking
>Comicfags talking about writing quality
Truthfully, comics are the lowest form of entertainment

>>149879782
>beam is theorized to obliterate infinite omniverses
>it struggles to pierce a wall in practice
That's not an antifeat the scientists were just wrong

>>149879832
The wall was infinitely durable. This was explained in the novelization.

>>149879808
Didn't Spider-Man knock out Hulk and send his bitch ass to space? I dont see where youre getting at here.

>>149879844
Not buying it unless it's from the cookbook

>>149879818
comicfags never ever claim their made up science is real, let alone that they should win just because it's "more correct"

Okay give it to me straight here because I'm lost in the shuffle. Jargon aside how powerful is Ultima's beam?

>>149879872
Around outerversal

>>149879872
It can hypothetically reach infinite energy by stacking energy on itself from across time, though it doesn't do that in story. Otherwise it only cleaves through buildings but has weird space-time warping properties.

>>149879872
It's got some weird physics breaking properties but otherwise is probably just building level, even the plebbitor whose blog everyone is wanking has stated many times Godzilla can't directly outmuscle Hulk in any way

>>149879872
The novel makes it into a weird space and causality rending laser, but in the anime, it doesn't seem particularly special. Death Battle might go with the former but I doubt it will matter for the match.

>>149879872
around building level

>>149879854
Spidey punched Joe Fixit into orbit when he had the Enigma Force (Captain Universe)

>>149879854
Amped Spidey fighting Joe Fixit who's the weakest Hulk
This is the kind of BOUNDLESSNESS layers you have to transcend to defeat GODulk

>>149879872
It can destroy complex multiverses

>>149879896
>even the plebbitor whose blog everyone is wanking has stated many times Godzilla can't directly outmuscle Hulk in any way
He's never said that. Even now, he's arguing that Godzilla outstats Hulk completely (even citing that Hulk's infinite multiverse feat needed a specific Nexus of dimensions to do it in) but that Death Battle will most likely give the stat advantage to Hulk because they're retarded.

>>149879872
Rips apart space-time and ignores cause-and-effect or something like that. It's capable of killing an invincible robot and penetrating an infinite number of things layered over each other. Theoretically infinite power since it's constantly exponentially buffing itself due to time shenanigans.

>>149879910
He one shot that jobber wasnt even a fight. Would be like saying you defeated the air you breathe. Hulk is just nothing when compared to Spider GOD.

>>149879872
Okay this wasn't helpful at all.
Let me try this: if you can tank a nuke point blank, what would this beam do to you?

>>149879928
>look it up
>it's real
Jesus christ Godzilla fans really are KINGtos-scholars aren't they?

>>149879928
Where does that screencap say anything about asking whether every Godzilla is Ultima?

>>149879948
Delete you from existence

>>149879948
You'd probably survive the physical aspect and then die to the space-time breaking part.

>>149879720
Okay, setting aside whether he is the author or not, by your own logic doesn't that mean you have to take GiH's author statements into account which literally automatically give him the victory?

>>149879948
>Let me try this: if you can tank a nuke point blank, what would this beam do to you?
You'd get deleted from reality. Notably, it harms Jet Jaguar PP who as a rival Singular Point should be explicitly indestructible and immune to anything operating in space-time. It still carved through him like a hot knife through butter.

>>149879966
It's in the actual thread
https://x.com/KyoeiToshi/status/1950024195808612629

Even the term "boundless" feels like a lowball for Kratos. His real tier is "transcendent" because he transcends fiction.

>>149879948
Literally nothing.
It didn't even delete Jet Jaguar, it just blew a hole in him.

>>149879991
no lies detected

https://x.com/KyoeiToshi/status/1644514477709115394
>You can take an official test to determine whether you're a Godzilla expert
Weird

>>149879980
You weren't supposed to say that...

>>149879991
>TRANscends
I know what you are.

>>149879986
Whilst it's still a weird thing to ask a out, if the dude is an actual writer for Toho then I don't see the problem. The only issue I'd have with it is that he's not an authority on SP and they didn't bother say, asking Toh Enjoe himself.

>>149880008
EVERYBODY IN THIS TEST TAKE THIS TEST RIGHT FUARKING NOW

>>149879998
>It didn't even delete Jet Jaguar, it just blew a hole in him.
Which shouldn't have been possible due to him being a Singular Point. You're also forgetting that it outright destroys JJ shortly afterwards with the second shot straight down at his face.

Does Marcus have any good matchups?

>>149880053
>Literally who
>Kaijufag
That's me

>>149879982
>Jet Jaguar PP who as a rival Singular Point should be explicitly indestructible and immune to anything operating in space-time.
I don't remember the show bring explicit about this at all.

>>149880053
Me? Fraud and Dishonesty SCHOLAR

>>149880053
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY PLACE?! I'VE BEEN CONSTANTLY POSTING HERE, AND YET YOUR SMOOTH BRAIN CAN'T EVEN PUT ME IN YOUR LIST?!

>>149877508
Fucking pathetic

>>149879915
No, he's straight up said Hulk can kill even Godzilla's true form.
The main issue (for him) is that he doesn't believe Hulk has the range or the means to reach Godzilla's true form, and that the crossroads feat having infinite dimensional range was only possible due to it being in the Crossroads.

>>149880053
What's with all that empty space and the low quality?

>>149880053
A combination of the ryona and cuckposter one

>>149880072
I don't know who you are

>>149880053
who is the ryonafag

>>149880095
Y-you didn't have to hurt me like that.....

>>149880090
for future spots

>>149880069
My HERO, JANNYMAN

>>149880101
tell me bro

>>149880069
Superman is CleanGOD?

>>149880088
That was from 2 months ago. His current stance now (as of like a week ago) is "Hulk can't actually beat Ultima or IT at all but DB will probably give him the win anyway".

>>149880133
Who?

>>149880133
Why the fuck did Toyotaro even publish this shit while his publisher was apparently losing a rights battle?

>>149879526
So you’re still lying? Lmao.

>>149880064
It's from the novel.
>The singularity cannot be destroyed. It is the nature of space-time, so to speak, that it cannot be destroyed from within space-time. It is like a character in a movie trying to break the screen. The singularity is just a hole given from outside the screen. The characters in the film don't have a hand to plug the hole.

>>149880145
boredom

Post your hero's win condition

>>149880145
Toyble is a dumbass and uncreative.

>>149880148
What part of that is a lie? Covariant derivatives are literally used to define second countable and paracompact manifolds. That's the one thing your ChatGPT post got correct.

>>149880164
>>149880145

Toyo will return, and redeem the franchise with the blacked Freeza arc

Thank you Godzilla for taking time out of filming the Minus One sequel, filming the Shin Godzilla sequel, filming the Monsterverse sequel, beating down the Marvel universe, and beating down the DC universe to participate in this Death Battle!!!
... and the She Hulk character is there too I guess

>>149880162
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UzjltM2qv_0&pp=ygUNV2hhdCBpdmUgZG9uZQ%3D%3D

>>149880138
This was from literally 2 days ago. He has always said and believed Hulk can outmuscle Godzilla, just that Ultima is too 'complex' for Hulk to reach and can drain away Hulk's energy.
He also thinks Hulk will win because it's a debatable matchup with Hulk's win conditions being more straightforward and Death Battle likely won't buy the retarded 'layers into outerversal' autism that zillafags construct their win conditions on.

>>149880069
>now he cleans up garbage!
Uh oh, Superman is coming for Bleachbros

>>149880194
>zillafags
Oh, it's you. What a waste of my time.

>>149880177
Toyo toilet paper won't redeeem shit.

>>149880162
>take up the mischievous cat rogue niche
>get matched up with near haxless street tiers like Catwoman and Black Cat
>grab their titties with Cataclysm and erase them from existence

>>149880209
Well yeah, I guess there's really no recourse to being proven wrong than to just call them a boogeyman. I understand

>>149880221
His ee doesn't work as well on humans, bt it still gg if he touches their head.

>>149880221
Somehow he would still find a way to job

>>149880194
>To be direct, Hulk simply can’t kill Godzilla. It’s not necessarily a matter of strength, but rather a combination of Godzilla Ultima’s intricate, multidimensional design and Hulk’s more straightforward, close-range approach. It’s not power that’s the issue it’s lack of range, versatility, and the nature of the threat. There are arguments made in Hulk’s favor, but in my opinion, most of them ultimately fall short.

>This isn’t truly a range feat, as the transfer of Hulk’s power was only possible due to the structure itself functioning as a Nexus Point one that connects to infinite dimensions. Hulk may scale to the potency of that power exerted but not it's range, similarly to Zeus' feat of wiping out all of the titans via The Sword of Olympus.

Even if we take the feat at face value, it remains ironically minuscule and insignificant when compared to what Godzilla Ultima operates within.

This was taken from his post 3 days ago. And less than a day ago he posted massive walls of text about how Hulk might have lots of raw power, but he can't breach the qualitative divide.

>>149880221
Doesn't he actually have sun disk scaling

HULK WILL WIN BECAUSE HE PUNCHES REALLY HARD!!!

>>149880098
Me

>>149880167
Just admit you lied about cardinals and whatever, weirdo.

>>149880194
>>149880225
>>149880251
>If I were to choose realistically, Hulk punching through dimensions would make the most sense, as it fits his overall gimmick. However, from a logical standpoint, neither option is truly achievable for him in my opinion.

>Even the two strongest Hulk supporters I’ve seen in this community have leaned toward the Green Door as his win condition. While that argument is still shaky, it’s far more plausible than the idea of Hulk directly punching his way to Ultima. A scenario that, by all reasonable measures, remains entirely out of his reach.

This was his post two days ago for reference. Which directly contradicts the bullshit you're trying to spread. You can keep lying like a rat if you want, but I won't be reading it.

>>149880251
You're not saying anything I haven't already said in the post. The argument was never 'Godzilla Ultima casually swats Hulk like a fly' because he does in fact believe Hulk is stronger, just that Hulk does not have the range to get to Godzilla's true form and cannot weather the hax forever. You've already silently shifted the premise that Godzilla's beam is at all a threat to Hulk which was the only thing I was interested in bringing up by using him as an example.

>>149880260
He unironically has better feats than 99% of the people posted in these threads

>>149880271
Nothing was lied about, because all I've said is that manifolds have cardinality and are in fact reliant on it. You are having a conversation with someone else entirely and based on what ChatGPT told you. Which is wrong.

>>149880281
Again, he's talking about Hulk's range and capacity for dimensional travel, not the difference in power between Hulk and Zilla.

This thread is finally the kind of discussion I was waiting for all wait period, actual shitflinging arguments.

Now pro and anti Ultima posters can both come over and give me a big sloppy kiss.

>>149880260
I'm still early in the series but he comes off as a street tier with moral conditioning to his OP hax.Just off the top of my head there was an episode where he ran away from zoo animals and a T Rex and another where he struggled to move vehicles using his baton as leverage

Thor and Diana would make beautiful kids.

>>149880283
>You've already silently shifted the premise that Godzilla's beam is at all a threat to Hulk
I wasn't the guy arguing with you about that. I don't give a shit about that. I give a shit about you being a lying whore misapplying someone else's arguments because you have none of your own. You can say and do whatever you want about Ultima's stats vs Hulk's, but don't bring up some Redditor whose arguments you need to go digging several months back to make yourself look good.

Hulk will win.

>>149877419
For Batter.

>>149880260
He deleted a planet-sized cookie using a Cataclysm at one point. Then there's Chat Blanc who wiped out Paris at minimum and blew up part of the Moon.

>>149880312
I think Thor would make more beautiful kids with Power Girl or Supergirl. Diana I could see making some real hellions with Herk

>>149880311
He himself is nothing crazy but his Cataclysm ability shows an absurd lack of limitation.

>>149880316
>I wasn't the guy arguing with you about that.
Then you shouldn't have replied to me.
>I give a shit about you being a lying whore misapplying someone else's arguments
>>149879896 is my first post. I was dismissing the power of the beam as irrelevant, and also said that even people who firmly believe in Godzilla's win, like someone who has wrote an entire blog on why he thinks Godzilla wins, don't think Godzilla's raw power actually matters in any way.
Please actually read the posts you're seething at next time.

I've been away since i got shot 3 times over some street shit. Anyway, why is /dbs/ part of /co/ now??

>>149880194
Does "Homura vs Kurumi lover" mean pedophile, that's the impression I'm getting

>>149880299
When asked specifically about power, he said Godzilla takes powers and hax. The only things he gave to Hulk are strength and durability. In fact, he's even outright said Godzilla should win overall.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeathBattleMatchups/comments/1mpg8mu/comment/n8m383u/?context=3
>Who's the Overall Winner and what Difficulty?
>Godzilla - High to Extreme Difficulty

>>149880311
IIRC, there's an episode where he starts deleting all of reality after going crazy.

>>149880350
'Powers' in this context means how many abilities they have, which...yes, Godzilla obviously takes. Not actual strength, which is why he said Hulk takes that.
I'm not interested in debating who wins between the two, just that even the most ardent Ultima wankers don't think he can physically match Hulk and has to resort to hax and other means to win.

Soon....

>>149880260
that's no sun disk

>>149880312
>>149880325
You guys are bad at shipping. Diana's best Marvel romantic match is Captain America. He even has the same first name as Diana's usual love interest. If Marvel and DC merged, they could seamlessly integrate Cap into Diana's story with minimal disruption.

Nice complex multidimensional design dipshit. Hulk SMASH.

>>149880374
>I'm not interested in debating who wins between the two,
Then why did you say that he thinks Hulk wins >>149880088

>>149880377
What did Superman mean by this?

>>149880376
Galaxies (plural) disc?? They make those??

>>149880296
K, thx for ducking. Still wrong, btw.

>>149880143
Apparently "The hero from Goten and Trunks' favorite video game" who fights aliens and villain organizations with his golden deck brush? Even in universe he doesn't appear to have broad popularity

>>149880390
Saying 'Hulk COULD kill Ultima's true form' is not the same as 'Hulk WILL win'.

Ultima plot manipulation confirmed.

>>149877508
Akuma from street fighter victim

Chat Noir's VS Battle Wiki page, btw

>>149880377
We're talking about breeding here, not shipping. Well at least I am

>>149880435
Ryona Ben at the peak of his powers

>>149880430
two feats btw

if your battle ends with one final big clash that explodes the loser instantly instead of them being slowly chopped down and agonized as they realize the ultimate final horror of the oblivion that awaits them it's shit

GODDAMN! Looking at Ultima's thighs, the only "equation" I'm trying to "solve" is how I get my dick between that delicious GYATT!

>>149880468
Bruce SCALYnner...

>>149880468
IT was horny

Why doesn't uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>149880465
Would Kratos count? He kills Asura slowly with the SoO

Never understood the appeal of this shit. Its just fanboys and children running around rampantly engaging in eisegesis.

>>149880442
why do I laugh every time I see the "NO SUNDISK?" panel?

>>149880483
GODrus

>>149880376
>>149880442
Viltrumitebros… the French twink destroys our entire verse

>>149880468
King Kong...

>>149880480
no because asura knows he's just going back to hell for however long
eggman, mahito and chief have been the only good deaths this season, maybe kyle too if you think he got erased on an informational level and is completely incapable of reviving

>>149880332
there is one episode that raised my eyebrow, the one with the mime. at some point he holds the Eiffel Tower over his shoulders and he fought both Ladybug and Chat. but the fact he was miming and holding the empty air between its beams makes me think it's not too literal

>>149880521
Besides DB's insane logic when Asura loses all his Mantra isn't he gone for good? I thought Giorno death was good even if it flopped

>>149880490
Because you touch yourself at night

I can't do powerscaling man. It's nothing but insanity as people will do what they can to downplay or outplay any characters.

>>149880546
giorno doesn't even actually die because of swan jojo bias autism in the storyboards
>asura
they say during the conclusion asura will take centuries or milennia to come back from the underworld, so he's not dead for good. you'd need to destroy all mantra in the universe to permanently kill him and even then the game shows he eventually will reincarnate into a human anyway

>>149880322
Batter is unironically wanked more than Chara. He doesn't physically deatroy the zones he purifies, he just leaves them without the bosses that keep them together
It's like being able to break a brittle support beam vs. destroying the entirety of a building from the outside. They both result in destruction but only one has more impressive power

Can't wait for Himawari to have an episode.

>>149880600
HE
WAS
TEACHING
HIM

>>149880600
/DBG/'s greatest teacher...

>>149880635
>deatroy

>>149880587
>they say during the conclusion asura will take centuries or milennia to come back from the underworld
In the game it just took him a few days at most after the second time. That’s partly why the battle really lack any emotional impact, since Asura will just respawn later.

>>149880674
HOW
TO
BE
GAY

>>149880600
I CRIED when KINGtos said this after mercy killing that monster and stopping his wrath.

>>149880706
Wait wtf is this true

>>149880706
i'm aware they hard lowballed his resurrection timeframe, just that even they don't believe kratos could or did put asura down permanently

You are a zillatard no longer…

>>149880729
Shhh

>>149880587
>they say during the conclusion asura will take centuries or milennia to come back from the underworld

>Reverse Flash could come back from the dead over the course of a few hours is treated as basically immortal in his fight against goku black.

>Scorpion resurrection in the underworld can take literally days , but once again is treated instant in fight against Ryu.

>Asura ia showed coming back from the dead within minutes is effectively a non factor in the factor and it's treated as of while he will come back after this L.

Why?

>>149879577
How does someone sit down and actually draw this thinking it's a good idea

>>149880729
Yeah lmao. He killed himself wiping out an entire Gohma Army only to come back a few days later.

>>149880710
I ALWAYS WAS…

>>149880796
Isn't that about how long The Mask took to come back to fuck up Deadpool? That should still be within a useable timeframe.

>>149880710
Hulk's son...

>>149880796
Why did it take him a gorillion years to come back after his last death

>>149880803
...Kratosfags

Ajax is our hero

>>149880733
>>149880782
The manga had him resurrecting instantly before he even hit the ground but obviously they can’t use that but NEEDED that cookbook for Kratos. The only way to kill him for a long while is permanently wiping Mantra as a concept, which you need to kill Chakravartin for, or have a concept erasure hax.

>>149880803
Asurajeets...

>>149880782
the reverse flash thing was particularly stupid because he absolutely can be killed permanently, he died to iris shooting him with a ray gun and only 'came back' after barry time traveled to find a younger thawne

>>149880829
Self-Resurrection: Asura is the only being who has shown the ability to revive himself after death, having died several times throughout the story's events but eventually escaping Naraka and resurrecting every time. Asura returned to life through sheer rage, determination and thirst for vengeance not letting his physical body and spirit die, leading him back to the world of the living angrier and stronger than before.

The angrier he is the faster his resurrection.

>>149880829
He was LEARNING

>>149880829
No Mantra, like at all. It was just gone as concept after Chak died. Naraka was also probably got fucked up during and after their fight too.

>>149877508
...the king of penis lovers

>>149880878
..And by that I mean Kratosfags

>>149880838
>>149880878
>>149880897
kiss you faggots

>>149880888
>gone as concept

KINGtos won this thread

>>149880839
The dish soap?

>>149880589
What a cowardly match idea this was

>>149880916
>gone as a concept*
Cut me some slack, I’m tired right now.

>>149880906
Can't Kratosfags are too busying sucking Kratos' dick to kiss anyone.

>>149880948
kiss over top of kratos's dick

Would Godzilla Ultima be boy or girl?

>>149880957
Professor Oak...

>listroon is supporting godzilla
never mind I switched my vote to hulk

>>149879106
Aang has jobbed to archers before
Aang has jobbed to poison before
Neurotoxin arrows genuinely could work

>>149880921
…’s “biggest jester” award.

>>149880937
KINGawn TAUGHT Kratos failure...

>>149880957
only female Godzilla is Rozan

>>149881112
>>149881112

>>149880882
Why does he look like he ran through a net?