>>150074994
There’s only so much dissonance between feats and statements people here can take before everybody loses their mind. Krasura just pushed it to the absolute limit by putting a (possibly even “the”) poster child featsman against one of the most controversial “lore”men and expecting it to make any sort of sense. To put it into better perspective, Asura has
>popped planets and stars like balloons
>traveled across the universe in minutes
>punched and drilled through a super moon larger than many galaxies
>killed a guy who was basically sucking in the universe into himself and when said guy died, he scattered countless stars and galaxies into space in a Big Bang
while Kratos
>jobs to rocks or basic weaponry left and right
>runs as fast as your average human
>has no onscreen strength feat that is even mountain level
>thinks the idea of a planet-sized snake is an exaggeration
>has never even left his home planet
>is extremely reliant on flowery statements and chainscaling to even get him anywhere near what he’s wanked at
>the biggest explosion from a god he has killed made was a mountain-level nuke
It doesn’t help that his devs consistently debunk his fans’ deranged headcanons like Kratos being able to flip 9 realms or whatever. So what we have is someone who actually does the shit he’s scaled at and a guy who leeches off other characters and needs many statements to even get him above a fraction of the former’s power. It doesn’t help that the research and verdict of the episode was horrendous and extremely shitpost worthy.

TLDR: One guy is all feats, other guy is all statements and chainscaling. The actual gap in power was too much for /dbg/ to handle so having the all feats guy lose in a horrendously researched and boringly animated episode collectively broke the general.

>>150052382
>biggest guy he fought was Cronos who was around mountain size
>biggest guy Asura fought could hold a galaxy in his palm
>biggest explosion from a god’s death in GOW was a mountain-level nuke
>biggest explosion from a god’s death in AW was a Big Bang that painted space with countless stars and galaxies
Kratos wouldn’t even be able to comprehend Chakravartin’s golden statue, have a heart attack, and die. It’s insane how extreme the differences are, just like how much one guy is one of the most controversial “lore” merchants and the other is a poster child featsman.

>>150015526
>Ares dies
>causes a mountain-level nuke
>Chakravartin dies
>Big Bang that scatters countless stars and galaxies everywhere
Makes sense, I guess, since Hermes can get hurt badly just crashing into a building.

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941988
Why state the obvious?

>>149941474
Why state the obvious?

>>149880829
No Mantra, like at all. It was just gone as concept after Chak died. Naraka was also probably got fucked up during and after their fight too.

>>149857930
>Kratos kills Ares
>mountain-level nuke
>Asura kills Chakravartin
>cosmic boom scattering stars and galaxies into space
Jesus fucking Christ, lore-scaling and statements brainrot is something else.

>>149857930
>Kratos kills Ares
>mountain-level nuke
>Asura kills Chakravartin
>cosmic boom scattering stars and galaxies into space
Jesus fucking Christ, lore-scaling and statements brainrot is something else.

>>149791603
If you have enough Mantra you can do crazy shit. Chakravartin is the concept of Mantra itself and his death resulted in a big bang, putting a shitload of stars and galaxies into space. Enough Mantra and you can chuck planets and stars like nothing, as well as drag galaxies around. You’ve probably seen Asura and the crazy feats he pulls when he generates enough mantra. Something to note, outside of combat, it’s pretty flexible. It can advance civilizations extremely far scientifically, technologically and biologically. It’s also generated by prayers and emotions (for demigods who can manipulate it) so getting it isn’t too much of a hassle, unless you really want to speed things up and harvest souls to be refined for Mantra.

>>149442538
>Assuming those things are galaxies and not just things that look like galaxies
Yeah, you can’t exactly dive in to get a better look. It’s not like Chak threw any at Asura TTGL style so we don’t really know for sure. Personally just going with the context of his statement of resetting everything to say those are galaxies. Hell, if you look closer during the space segment, you even see all the actual smaller stars being sucked into him and before he self-destructs, you see those galaxies coming out of him and filling the background on Mithra’s return trip.
>Pretty sure using Asura as a measuring stick for sizes is more reliable
This is definitely more reasonable though when Asura punched through that big ass moon and Chakravartin, he doesn’t even register as a pixel against them so I’d say it’s as close as they’ll get to multi-galaxy size without making the entire segment look extremely weird.

>>149263059
When it comes to less egregious examples then context and feats become way more way vital in determining the validity of the statements. For your example with Kirby, if an opponent is given universal/multiversal statements, then their feats need to be taken into account as well. From there it really just comes down to how much sufficient evidence is shown to justify the statement scaling, there should be a noticeable balance. Otherwise Kirby is shown to be obviously stronger than planet or star level but he’s stuck in a weird limbo relying on his opponent statement scaling for him to get higher without proof.

Though it pops up often, AW ironically works well to prove universal scaling (one of the very rare but notable statements in the game) through its feats. Chakravartin says he’ll destroy and remake the “world” (which in the context of what he does meaning the universe). He sits himself far away in space and appears to be sucking in the surrounding the galaxies. When he dies, galaxies comes out and the explosion results in the appearance of many more. In that case, we don’t see a universe being destroyed in one move, but it was in the process of being destroyed nonetheless, proving what Chakravartin said was correct. He can destroy the universe and that means he would remake it after as well. Asura has never directly destroyed a galaxy but given the context of what Chakravartin was doing and how Asura went on to beat a MUCH stronger form of the statue (as well as being able to break the statue beforehand) destroying the universe, then you can sufficiently put Asura at a lowball multi-galaxy to universal level (especially given he can grow much stronger than the final form of Chakravartin).
So really when you get higher with the use of statement scaling, context and feats become more important to prove those statements to a certain degree.

>>149252154
>Like no offense to asurabros here but it has a relatively small fanbase, if something big like DC, Marvel, or Dragon Ball got humiliated by islandleveltos shitposting would reach new heights
None taken. In general, it’s not always so bad to have a small fanbase. Asura was sacrificed (albeit unfortunately), but the upside is more people can see how much deranged “lore” wanking you need to get someone like Kratos past planet level, much less above where Asura is at. For example, Asura easily broke the Chakravartin’s statue’s head in destructor form with a single punch. The video shown was what that statue (a MUCH weaker state of Chakravartin) was doing at the end. Yes, those are galaxies coming out of it at the beginning (since Chakravartin said he was destroying and remaking the universe). That explosion afterwards with all the white sparkling things shooting out at the end, those were galaxies as well.
I cannot tell you the amount of cope one needs to say with a straight face that Kratos beats that. The absolute dissonance between actual feats and “statements” in KratoSura is ridiculously absurd. You can see it in how reliant the Kratos segment was with having him beat “a guy who did a thing that looks nowhere near impressive as anything in AW, but this one flowery sentence in this novel says it was universal+++!”. Also there was practically no mention of any actual feats Kratos did on his own outside of beating other people up. Then you compare Asura’s segment and it’s pretty cut and clear they have Asura DOING SHIT that doesn’t involve “I beat this guy so I leech off him and become universal+++”, like the part with Asura the Destructor destroying planets and stars, because how can they fucking not? It’s Asura, the guy with a shitload of insane visual feats to pick from (all from a 7 hour game).
Basically, Kratos beating a top tier DC, Marvel or DB character will mindbreak a hell of lot more people than Krasura did.