Thread 150006739

Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Dinosaur, The Great Mouse Detective, Any More examples for these Dumbasses?

>>150006739 (OP)
>treasure planet
based on treasure island
>mouse detective
mostly stolen from castle of Cagliostro
>dinosaur
flop

They'll just make a live action Jojo's bizarre adventure but with American actors, like that one time.

>>150006764
>reddit/xitter screencap reply
Opinion disregarded and ignored.
>bu-
Sorry, them's the rules. Try coming up with your own post next time.

More of this please.

Literally just collaborate with an anime studio for an action movie
It's that simple

I have some ideas but people are too robophobic

>>150006739 (OP)
Couldve brought back stitch the mega money maker with boys and girls of all ages but they didnt want to give him a show. Too lazy. Just brought back yes queen fuck cops fuck whitie woke family instead.

>>150006742
>mostly stolen from castle of Cagliostro
It's not. The finales both take place in a clocktower, but the stories are not alike. Great Mouse Detective is a fantasy version of Sherlock Holmes.

>>150006870
>Swamp Beats
>not Marsh Pit
AI really is soulless, huh?

>>150006870
Shut the fuck up you dumb fucking clanker bitch, tin skin piece of shit, get off my board right now.

>>150006739 (OP)
I present to you: billion dollar movie, zoomer style:
MC gets run over by a truck and reincarnated into a video game where he grinds to level 999 by flossing and killing slimes and falls in love with a beautiful elven princess in his quest to defeat the evil lord. The post credits scene has him meeting Ralph, Vanellope, Felix, and Calhoun.

>>150006739 (OP)
Why does anyone here think disney will suddenly make shit for guys now? Theyve always been gynocentric. Its in their DNA. They had the chance to have their own boys franchises when they made a bunch of male led action movies in the early 2000s under eisner but iger buried them in favor of more princess shit. And they couldve had their own boys franchise with marvel but they decided to estrogenize it up with "grrl power" shit like captain marvel and desexualizing black widow. They did even worse with star wars then how they mistreated marvel when they eventually bought that too. You people are insane the rat will never change it has been a shitty girls brand since that cheap bastard walt owned it and itll always be a shitty girls brand forever

>>150006968
I feel like their best bet is attracting male furries plus faggots and male furry faggots

>The Great Mouse Detective
Yes, fucking yes! More of this PLEASE

>>150006739 (OP)
The article said that they're looking to create NEW ip to appeal to late zoomers and alphas for years to come; they can't keep relying on millenial nostalgia. Keep in mind that even if things like the MCU didn't fell off, they'd still be struggling to cathc up younger audiences that didn't grow up with it (Iron Man came out 17 years ago, mind you). Audience survey showed that the largest portion of the audience for FF during opening week were people in their late 20's-early 30's, and I bet SW is going through something similar.

>>150006739 (OP)
You know what young men want? Hope for the fucking future. Media can’t give them that but it can at least not constantly ignore and belittle them. Tell a fucking story of a poorfag nobody straight male overcoming adversity. That’s basically all you need to do. Not a gay overcoming adversity because of his sexuality. Not a richfag overcoming his first world problems. Not a woman solving a man’s problems because he can’t. An ordinary, relatable fucking guy, taking on a challenge and winning. That’s it.

>>150006739 (OP)
Aladdin and Hercules

>>150007024
>You know what young men want? Hope for the fucking future.
But how else will they demoralize the populace into never fighting back without trying to paint the future as bleak and inevitably bad as possible?

>>150006739 (OP)
They bought Marvel and Star Wars because they knew the stuff they had was too girly for them. Then, they proceeded to destroy both.

>>150007056
I can't wait for the fresh batch of new furry movies following the success of Zootopia 2.

>>150007056
>They bought Marvel and Star Wars because they knew the stuff they had was too girly for them. Then, they proceeded to destroy both.
I will NEVER understand the rats mentality behind this. Why waste literal billions on IP that you specifically bought to corner a market you are vey well aware your company doesnt have yet, only to botch said IP to try to streamline it for their gynocentric company image and to make it more palatable for the scores of disney adult woman children you already have in your pocket and burning away the male audience you hoped to gain for your company by buying the IP in the first place. It just makes no sense at all, i need to know why they did something do stupid!

>>150006961
Ill never understand the appeal nor the popularity behind those "loser gets sucked into a shitty fantasy video game" isekai anime. They are all a carbon copy and paste of each other and the idea was retarded when SAO started it in the first place

>>150007100
>Ill never understand the appeal
because you are not Japanese
Animefags only like those cuz of the porn and bc they love everything Japan tells them they have to like

>>150006739 (OP)
Ichabod and Mr Toad
Three Caballeros

>>150007080
They unironically didn't think ahead. Or thought guys would like that shit.

>>150007109
>because you are not Japanese
Then why dont the nips have any discerning taste at all?
>Animefags only like those cuz of the porn and bc they love everything Japan tells them they have to like
Weebs will gladly scarf down any shit content as long as it has the toho logo on it. Theyll blindly clap like seals for anything made in japan no matter how shit it is. Want proof look at all the ghibli faggots praising that piece of shit the boy and the heron

>>150006739 (OP)
Disney has never cared about appealing to the male sex. If they ever did with stuff like Aladdin that's a fluke. Disney is atrocious at doing media for males of any demographic.

And before anyone says Kingdom Hearts, that series has a notable following of mostly girls being fans and those girls are old hags by now. They don't give a damn about Kingdom Hearts in the same way modern old hags grew up and no longer care about Twilight or Harry Potter.

>>150007080
I think the intentions were correct, but the intersection of 2016 politics was like the iceberg to the Titanic. The need to "fight Trump" outweighed profitability. Weinstein didn't help as the studios had to desperately distance themselves and the best way to do that was give control to the feminists. Truly costly mistakes.

>>150006968
>Why does anyone here think disney will suddenly make shit for guys now?
because the young male test audiences saw the new movies and show and they said they were gay

>>150007100
>C.S. Lewis invented isekai
Oz and Peter Pan predate Narnia by half a century, Alice in Wonderland by nearly a full hundred years.

>>150007133
>They unironically didn't think ahead. Or thought guys would like that shit.
They cant actually be that retarded, can they? Who in their right mind would think the average male audience ticker buyer would enjoy all the feminist shit in TLJ? Basedboys dont count btw

>>150007151
Companies being retarded is way too normal

>>150007136
Utterly creatively bankrupt. A few years ago a writting competition in Japan had to ban isekai stories bc everyone was writing just that with slight variation from each other.

https://soranews24.com/2017/05/22/anime-style-novel-contest-in-japan-bans-alternate-reality-stories-and-teen-protagonists/

Is Atlantis any good? I was always under impression that it was ripping off Stargate (The movie). The main guy even looks like Dr. Jackson.

>>150007143
>I think the intentions were correct,
What "intentions" were correct? They sabotaged male properties to spite because "tee hee girls own this now fuck men". Thats completely evil and wrong, and ironically only contributed to young men turning more right leaning.
>but the intersection of 2016 politics was like the iceberg to the Titanic.
Yeah and look how that worked out, doubling down on their feminist shit just made the culture war cancer explode and we are all the worst now for it
>>150007144
>because the young male test audiences saw the new movies and show and they said they were gay
Theyve been saying that for years now and for years disney didnt care and stubbornly clung to their gynocentric feminist ideology. Why course correct all of a sudden now?

>>150007171
>Why course correct all of a sudden now?
drumpf

>>150007100
Captain N the Gamemaster

>>150007153
Then how did they get so successful in the first place if retards are running the show and fucking up so poorly?
>>150007158
Did collective IQ and creativity drop in japan in the last twenty years? Anime used to be so different and better then the slop they make now. Also video games and vidya culture is a disease upon humanity

>>150007144
>young male test audiences saw the new movies and show and they said they were gay
Hollywood suits probably interpreted that as a good thing, classic mix-up.

>>150007176
Well maybe if they and other companies didnt double down on their SJW shit out of spite after 2016 then the tangerine wouldn't have come back at all. This is all a self fulfilling prophecy, media only made so many young men into insane anti feminist manosphere dudebros BECAUSE companies like disney were always botching their media and demonizing them.

>>150007187
They had competent assholes back then

>>150006870

oh those actually look appealing my dude, I legit wouldn't change the channel if this pop'd up on my tv. This legit looks better than most the globohomo slop (((they))) show on tv now a days.

We can't make good cartoons anymore because the system is inherently flawed

>>150007207
Wow who knew 15% of the country are fucking retarded
>>>/pol/

>>150007211
I love how this shows /co/ as above cartoon youtubers-the absolute lowest class on the animation totem pole

>>150006968
>image

Really love this image and am glad to see it making the rounds around here. Its way too good. And this text applies to many other companies as well like Apple and Amazon.

>>150007219
>And this text applies to many other companies as well like Apple and Amazon.
As much as apple and amazon suck they are not nearly as gynocentric as shitsney is

>>150007198
We don’t need assholes, we need dicks. What we need is a Jim Shooter running Disney.

>>150007171
>What "intentions" were correct?
Purchasing pre-made "Boy Brands." It should have worked, it was a no-brainer. They just couldn't help themselves. I mean, you COULD have introduced more female-centric themes AND kept the brands intact if done properly. You're telling me that a young Leia series or Indiana Jane (done respectfully) wouldn't have been cool? Marvel is filled with female heroes. The mistake was letting the female-ness override the male-ness. In hindsight, it was probably inevitable.

>>150007226
Youre absolutely right but so many people would hate you for making comments like that now

>>150007232
>Purchasing pre-made "Boy Brands." It should have worked, it was a no-brainer. They just couldn't help themselves.
But i cant understand is WHY did disney almost compulsively change everything that had male appeal in those boy brands to try and make it appeal to girls suddenly? From a business perspective it was marketing suicide

>>150007024
You can get that but the male character must be Non White and the main villain must be white. Enjoy because this kind of filth is what White Nations like to make, anything to insult straight white males.

The United States deserves its inevitable fall and collapse. My hope is foreign companies like Nintendo RAPE Disney and such. Nintendo may dab into Girl Power Shit like Metroid but the point is that foreign companies are the key to destroying Disney, Universal, Apple, Amazon, etc. KILL THEM!

>>150007100
>Ill never understand the appeal nor the popularity behind those "loser gets sucked into a shitty fantasy video game"
A fact one eventually comes across is that in nerd circles, a lot of people only engage with fiction to self-insert themselves, not for a deeper interest in the work.

>>150007143
Why they needed to "fight Trump" instead of embracing him as an ally? It makes ni sence to ally with blue haire with no money...

>>150007241
Thats retarded, stop trying to divide men of other races from each other. The enemy here is feminism and women, not other men
>>150007242
>A fact one eventually comes across is that in nerd circles, a lot of people only engage with fiction to self-insert themselves, not for a deeper interest in the work.
So weebs are just mentally retarded self inserters with no discern and taste for good media? Got it. Theres nothing wrong with self inserting a bit but when it becomes the main appeal to a mentally unwell degree its wrong as well as when said audience stops caring about the other aspects of the show and just starts consuming prue shit because "da generic anime girl waifu #897 was hot".

>>150007079
Zootopia is shit. And the only reason Zootopia made a billion is because Normies Are Stupid. The characters in Zootopia are garbage. And the conflict is preachy virtue signaling shit that I doubt entertained ANY kid genuinely. Hope that sequel fails.

>>150007187
>Anime used to be so different and better then the slop they make now.
It's called pandering. Anime publishers make more money than ever, but anime studios are still being paid like it's the 90s. How do you make up the gap? Merch. How do you make sure merch sells? Pander. Who do you pander to? The loser otaku who buy merch.

>>150007263
>Thats retarded, stop trying to divide men of other races from each other. The enemy here is feminism and women, not other men

The enemy is Jews who FUNDED feminism. You wouldn't have to deal with feminism, women's lib, women's rights, etc. without JEWRY.

I may not live to see it but whenever men finally decide to kill every Jew wholesale that will be the beginning of humanity healing worldwide. Being a Jew should automatically lead to the death penalty.

>>150007269
>How do you make sure merch sells? Pander. Who do you pander to? The loser otaku who buy merch.
But wouldn't merch be more lucrative if it was based on anime that wasnt shit?

>>150006739 (OP)
>Buy Marvel
>Buy Star Wars
>Turn both into feminist franchises that even the women they’re targeting don’t want to watch

Elon was right. Woke is a mind virus

>>150007232
>Indiana Jane
Honestly Indy having a daughter who argues with him probably would've been pretty kino
Better than shia lebuttfuck anyways

>>150007275
Oh youre one of those retards, huh? Kill yourself, scum like you want to shift the blame away from the roasties who actually deserve said blame and are the ones responsible for this feminist shit and onto your retarded boogeyman for seemingly no good reason. You are a pox on society just like the femoids are

>>150007100
I got a better take I have never understood the appeal of a loser inexplicably is a super mega winner. Its why I hated How To Train Your Dragon. The main protagonist Hiccup? I don't care if he rides dragons I don't think he's cool or anything. And his voice is annoying. And I really hate how he forgave his deadbeat shitty hippie mother who abandoned him for twenty years until he was an adult. He is a LAME character.

Losers have no appeal. And on that note I also fucking hate idiots. I blame Goku from Dragon Ball for that one because I always hated idiots.

>>150007277
Gotta think of the specific audience. Loser otaku - so the main characters are losers who are the real focus, they're just there to self insert. The girls are the focus, and they all love the loser protag. How do you appeal to the losers? Just let them vicariously live the fantasy that they're worthless gaming skills would be useful under the right context, they aren't actually losers, ect. ect. Isekai is perfect for this kind of pandering trash, and the losers don't care that it's trash, they just care about the fantasy that girls might like them and that they aren't losers.

>>150006739 (OP)

I've got one but they would never go for it.

> A young knight from Anjou travels to the kingdom of Burgundy to seek fame and fortune in thier wars against the holy Roman empire
>Along the way he joins a band of vagabond knights who have formed for the same purpose, welcoming him into the fold after proving himself in duels against them.- akin to d'argue in the three musketeers, but with more than 3 and hundreds of years before.
>After a victory against one of the many Saxon princes, a banquet is held in the city of dijion.
> He catches eyes upon a young maiden, the daughter of the count of Luxemberg, they make a connection and a spar is formed.
>But the maiden has been desired from afar by the count of Verdun, for the wealth and land of Luxemberg. Untouchable as he is favoured by the pope, and given a small detachment as his person troops, the Swiss guard. The most elite troops in Europe.
>He sends bandits and rouges throughout the city to kill our young adventurer and forces him to fight his way out of the city throughout the night.

>>150007289
Read the room I want to torture them BOTH. I don't give a fuck if women are stupid and got tricked into being useful idiots.

I want to torture and kill BOTH the puppets AND the puppet master.

>>150007299

> At the next battle, the count of Verdun flies a false banner of the enemy and raids the baggage train. Seizing the baggage train and the maiden of luxemberg.
>But one of his men Is recognised by our hero , he rallies his band of knights to save, her chasing them down on horseback. Only failing to kill 4. 2 with the gold , 1 with the maiden and the counts personal head knight.
>They reach a small cabin in a field. Surrounded by the Swiss guard. The knights are forced to face the best knights in europe, outnumbered As a question of honour. As our hero raids the cabin.
>The cowardly count of verdun monologues to our hero, he plans to abscond with her and arrange a forced marriage from the pope, making him heir to the duchy of Luxemburg with question. And then defect to The holy Roman empire, to press his claim for the duchy of Luxemberg. And some errant knight from a pig sty in Gascony isn't going to stop him.
>Our hero slays his bandits and faces the count one on one.
>I'm a vicious duel or hero emerges victorious. Saving the maiden and the gold. (Keeping some for himself of course).
>Our band of knights have lost many, but beaten and broken the Swiss guard.
>They mourn the fallen, and ride off into the sunset to return the maiden and (Most of) the gold, as heros.

They will keep making woke shit to get Blackrock funding.

>>150007240
>But i cant understand is WHY did disney almost compulsively change everything that had male appeal in those boy brands to try and make it appeal to girls suddenly? From a business perspective it was marketing suicide
The theory was that boys were a given and that they could ADD girls to the mix to make it more popular. But the way they crafted them made it a binary choice instead of being inclusive in the way they were trying to achieve. Actually I don't think girls liked the female led stuff much either so it's not like they achieved it on that level

Boys market can be recaptured if they focus on rule of cool.

>>150006870
I want to fuck the mexican gator with two microphones

>>150007299
>He sends bandits and rouges throughout the city
How will our hero resist the fat bat tits?

>>150007293
I hate "loser gets sucked into vidya and becomes hero" anime alot but not all "loser" protags suck either. Also HTTYD had alot of issues later on besides hiccup being kinda bland. The moral at the end of 3 was one of the dumbest things ive ever seen in a movie
>>150007295
>Gotta think of the specific audience. Loser otaku - so the main characters are losers who are the real focus, they're just there to self insert. The girls are the focus, and they all love the loser protag. How do you appeal to the losers? Just let them vicariously live the fantasy that they're worthless gaming skills would be useful under the right context, they aren't actually losers, ect. ect. Isekai is perfect for this kind of pandering trash, and the losers don't care that it's trash, they just care about the fantasy that girls might like them and that they aren't losers.
I swear the collective IQ for anime fans has gone down within the past few decades. This type of low effort crap wouldve never flown in the 1990s. Weebs and otaku are trash subhuman refuse who i hope die of heart attacks from drinking too much monster energy and eating only ramen

>>150007300
Women are the puppet master here though you sub cranial twit. The reason why retards like you dont want to admit that tho is because you would have to admit white women are responsible for all the wrong in todays world past 2012 and that would throw a wrench in your entire white supremacy fallacy. So fuck you

>>150007316
>Weebs and otaku are trash subhuman refuse
I mean, yeah. They were there in the 90s, they just weren't the target audience. It's not like they changed, they were always subhuman troglodytic fuckwits, and the animators generally didn't care for them. But publishers saw money and did what publishers do; ruin things.

>>150007312
>The theory was that boys were a given and that they could ADD girls to the mix to make it more popular. But the way they crafted them made it a binary choice instead of being inclusive in the way they were trying to achieve.
Ive never used pic related harder in my life

>>150007314
Yes, his heart yearns only for the fair maiden of Luxemberg. and she belongs to knuckles anyway.

>>150006739 (OP)
how about the movie where OP kills himself for making twitter threads

>>150007240
>But i cant understand is WHY did disney almost compulsively change everything that had male appeal in those boy brands to try and make it appeal to girls suddenly? From a business perspective it was marketing suicide

The assumption that little boys are dumber than little girls and would show up for explosions and cool jets and be brainwashed by the feminism into thinking girls are rad and cool actually.

They assumed the male consumers were on lock.

Part of that comes from the people at the helm not understanding why men liked those movies and assuming it was the special effects.

It would be like watching something like short circuit and thinking little boys just like the robot and making a robot movie with CG, devoid of jokes or a 7 foot tall reaal robot.

This is not an uncommon problem when a company just wants to make money off a customer base they dont respect or understand.

>>150007242
>A fact one eventually comes across is that in nerd circles, a lot of people only engage with fiction to self-insert themselves, not for a deeper interest in the work.

The issue isnt self inserting as all humans do that, but the level of intelligence and empathy used to do so.

An intelligent adult can insert as any character via empathy. They don't need Kirk or Spock to be copies of them. They use empathy to imagine their thoughts and feelings.

Its pretty telling that there has always been a problem with female fans writing mary sue characters in fan fics. it probably says somethinf about japan that isakie is so popular now

>>150006739 (OP)
Rescuers down under
Tarzan
Oliver and co
The fox and the hound
Robin hood

>>150007432
>Part of that comes from the people at the helm not understanding why men liked those movies and assuming it was the special effects.
>This is not an uncommon problem when a company just wants to make money off a customer base they dont respect or understand.
So disney really is just run by mentally ill and dumb boomer women who dont understand men at all? Got it. Explains why they have such a hard time trying to capture a male audience

What causes creators of brown girl cartoons to be like this?

>>150007461
>So disney really is just run by mentally ill and dumb boomer women
That's the majority of execs in all of Hollywood. And they're all nepo hires.

>>150007275
>The enemy is Jews who FUNDED feminism. You wouldn't have to deal with feminism, women's lib, women's rights, etc. without JEWRY.

You're close. Its funny how you guys csn beleive in a massive conspiracy between jews and not just accept its ultra wealthy people. They are right there in front of you making your life worse, but no, its the secret jews.

Americans starting to blame Japan out of nowhere is a proof that their hegemony is dying

>>150007468
i mean, is literally anyone thinking of the gen z males ever? even the stereotypical male oriented content like superheroes or star wars clearly dont think of the male audience as anything more than a tool to virtue signal when they DONT appeal to them

>>150007468
>>150007475
Matt used to be so cool before he outed himself as a male feminist faggot
>>150007478
Fags like who youre replying too dont want to admit its the ultra wealthy elite doing this because that would imply that most are white males fucking over society and that sinks their ideology, hence their insistence on DA JOOS all the time

>>150007500
>Americans starting to blame Japan out of nowhere is a proof that their hegemony is dying
Stop making garbage isekai anime and maybe amerifats and literally everyone else wouldn't blame you for ruining the one thing you japs had of worth which were the chinese cartoons

>>150007478
its because ultra wealthy people, especially the ones that are supremacists that want to murder brown children in gaza, are typically jews.

>>150007324
>white women are responsible for all the wrong in todays world past 2012

It goes back further than that. Go read about the daughters of the confedercy and how they kept racism alive in the American south and popularized myths like the war for northern aggression and kept southern men divided by race.

Women have done all sorts of things but men dont want to admit women could manage such things.

>>150007516
>muh it's all isekai
It's just one trend of lighht novels and there are a bunch of anime based on them but they are basically all low-budget midnight shows I've never watched.
Pretending like there's nothing but isekai anime just to talk shit about Japan is embarrassing.

>>150007332
I've heard Neon Genesis eva was the turning point. The shows budget was apparently saved by all the crap otukes were buying of their favorite of the two girls.

To a lesser extent you could say the same for things like Lum or Ramna but I think studios assumed everyone was. Using the merch

>>150007547
Women are capable of great evil and while im glad alot of men are opening their eyes to the femoid menace now, still too many of them are blinded by chivalry mindset when they think "a delicate little flower couldnt be responsible for such awfulness on her own she must be a puppet" and they try to dissuade any blame away from them for a variety if ideological reasons. Its so pathetic im glad women are getting their due more now thankfully though

>>150007565
I never said that theres nothing but isekai anime in the entire anime catalogue, i said theres nothing but isekai anime coning out now. And a few shit non isekai shows are not a refute against this fact they are an exception to the bulk of isekai cancer being produced
>>150007566
>the greatest anime ever is also responsible for the genres downfall
Holy fucking shit that hurt to read

>>150006739 (OP)
More furry movies please

>>150007584
I don't care about the existence of isekai.
I'm annoyed by how it has basically taken over the fantasy genre wholesale and dominates a large portion of anime produced every season.

>>150007584
What >>150007597 said, i hate how isekai dominates anime. It wouldnt be so bad if it also didnt revolve around game mechanics. Vidya is a shit medium snd its a testament to the neckbeardness of the audience where in order to understand these basic bitch fantasy worlds they have to explain everything in gamer lingo for the cheeto encrusted mtn dew drinking basement dweller audience

Americans keep copying anime styles more and more while pretending they don't, so they will keep making shitty arguments to feel better instead of respecting what they are copying
They have no idea that's making them look even worse

>>150007461
>So disney really is just run by mentally ill and dumb boomer women who dont understand men at all? Got it. Explains why they have such a hard time trying to capture a male audience

Lazy is probably a better word. They probably got a focus group. They probably did a lot of focus groups on little boys. The problem is that random children are kind of stupid in that they are not completely self aware. Most of them anyway. So if you do a focus group on lets use Ninja Turtles for example you are going to miss a lot. The little boys are going to only mention the big hitters like "I like turtles and I like ninjas"

They are probably not going to say "I identify with the four brothers having problems and Splinter struggling to raise them. I enjoy the social dynamics between them. I like April because she js intelligent and pretty and takes an interest in the four turtles and tries to help them solve problems. The conflict between the bad guys is funny."

You will notice that little girls are also not watching a lot of this shit and the problem is probably the same. Children are probably only mentioning things that cause an intense response. Most of them are not self aware with the vocabulary to communicate what they like.

>>150007533
>its because ultra wealthy people, especially the ones that are supremacists that want to murder brown children in gaza, are typically jews.

They ain't all jews though. Probably not even a quarter of them

>>150006739 (OP)
>guy wants to do [thing]
>dad doesn't like [thing], because either [thing] is not for guys or that back in his time they did [other thing]
>guy tries to do [other thing] but it doesn't work
>guy proves that [thing] is actually okay and that he's good at [thing]
>guy wins a [thing] contest or does [thing] to save the world
>guy and dad reconcile
>guy troons out

>>150007650
Where do they get these focus groups anyways? Do you think they are bias and look for answers within focus groups to coincide with their own opinions and desires so they can point to to focus group results and say "well this little tike agreed with X so we should do X now"?

All I can really think about while reading this is how multiple scripts for the MCU Blade movie were nothing but "Blade sucks and is replaced by a woman." Disney is more than content to ignore the 10-29 year old male demographic while making movies about how evil they are for being male.

>>150007699
King of the Hill Season 15. We already know he decides having sex with Connie "isn't right for her or him."

>>150007595
>i said theres nothing but isekai anime coning out now. And a few shit non isekai shows are not a refute against this fact they are an exception to the bulk of isekai cancer being produced
That's because gaijins in general have super-low literacy when it comes to Japan. They think like every anime is produced by the same group and has the same weight. They don't think about which shows are being aired where and at what times, etc, at all.

>>150007717
>Where do they get these focus groups anyways?

They used to just rent a room at a big mall and give the parents a gift voucher. I dont know where they do them now that malls have declined.

I dont have any evidence that the people doing the focus groups manipulate the data. That seems foolish if you want to make a blockbuster and keep your job.

It could be gender bias built into the act of doing focus groups on kids. Little boys, statistically speaking are shown to advance verbally slower than girls. So if tou do a focus group on 10 10 year old girls and 10 10 year old boys, the girls will be better able to describe what they like. Tat would cause their likes to be over represented in the final report.

Little boys very well could be getting marginalized because they are less able to represent themselves and what they want from products

This could explain why so many block buster hits with boys are developed by adult men who still think like little boys. They do have brain power to articulate what young boys like.

>>150007800
>They used to just rent a room at a big mall and give the parents a gift voucher. I dont know where they do them now that malls have declined.
That happened to me once in 2005 when i was 8 or 9. A bitch at some kiosk asked if was more interested in narnia or cars because both were upcoming movies at that point. I was huge in the narnia books at the time and so i said narnia and she said "im sorry sweety but that movies been delayed for a year, why dont you watch the cars movie clip instead". I started crying because i didnt want to wait another year for narnia to come out while she played a not fully rendered clip of lighting mcqueen racing in the stadium and asking me "do you wanna see this movie now" and other asinine shit like that. It was very annoying and i later found out that narnia wasnt delayed a year and the bitch lied for whatever reason
TLDR: cars fucking sucks
>Little boys very well could be getting marginalized because they are less able to represent themselves and what they want from products
So they think adult star wars fans will like whatever slop they shit out because some six year old said his favorite aspect of star wars was some surface level branding shit light lightsabers or jar jar? Seems legit
>This could explain why so many block buster hits with boys are developed by adult men who still think like little boys. They do have brain power to articulate what young boys like.
And yet the first three bayformers films are still peak while disney wars has been a middling mess since the start

>>150006739 (OP)
Lol, its not hard. They can even use their own shit.

Little boys liked the Disney afternoon and the old shorts. Thats literally it. You dont even need a lot of violence. Just have some different types of men going on advebtures and solving problems.

Imo studios are just scared of what little boys do when you give them what they like.

If you have a show with fighting, boy ms fight.

If you have a show with adventures, they wonder around town. 1% of them get roped or fall down a man hole and die.

Slap stick? They knock each other around and break things.

Oh and you dont want to have any actually real villains, otherwise little boys might figure out a lot of people in power are evil.

more importantly, Japan isn't making shit to please Americans, it's not even making much money. you can make anything you want and Japs don't give two shits.
if you feel threatened by anime and feel the need to drag it down, it just shows how pathetic and despicable your industry is

>>150006739 (OP)
>Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Dinosaur, The Great Mouse Detective
Those are old 23+ year old movies. They're looking for NEW ideas

>>150007861
>And yet the first three bayformers films are still peak

Why are you trying to derail the thread?

>>150007778
>>150007885
>if you feel threatened by anime and feel the need to drag it down, it just shows how pathetic and despicable your industry is
Nah the issue is modern anime industry keeps making shit garbage and needs to be called out on it and stinkin filthy otaku and weebs need to be bullied for contributing to the decline with their shit taste. Western animation sucks right now too but that doesnt give anime a free pass to be shit.

>>150007921
Seethe gee wunner

>>150006742
>>150006883
It's based on "Basil of Baker Street".

>>150007187
>Did collective IQ and creativity drop in japan in the last twenty years? Anime used to be so different and better then the slop they make now. Also video games and vidya culture is a disease upon humanity
Neet/Otaku took over the industry

>>150006739 (OP)
Why would Disney want to make movies targeted towards Gen Z, a generation of faggots, brown trannies, and iPad zoomers? Didn't Disney already try multiple attempts at catering to the zoomers by hiring that talentless ugly faggot, Dana Terrace, who made Owl House, the biggest tranny slop series that is so shit it instantly got canceled by Disney in full regret because they ended up in a spectacular flop in the end? Not only are Zoomers the dumbest generation who doesn't even know how to save a Word file as a PDF without using ChatGPT, but they're also one of the most inconsequential demographics that is poor as fuck. Gen Z literally has no cultural impact like the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

Literally just look at the trends of Zoomers and the lifestyle that they cling to. They live vicariously through the millennials' culture, music, and cartoons. They're so poor they're literally piggybacking on past generations' culture and memes. It's either this or them simping for some e-girl or a faggot e-celeb that they give all of their life savings to just for the guy or the girl saying their name once in their stream.

>>150006739 (OP)
Princess Tiana and the Frog was okay, albeit entirely about niggers. I even remember their names and some songs, don't know if it was profitable though but it was a good return to form. Those ugly fuckers definitely don't deserve an Amphibia movie though.

Disney got massive on animated cartoon films, they should take that fact seriously not just do computer generated slop. If the company wants to appeal to young men they need a male fantasy adventure where he wins the girl, couple of flirtatious scenes triumphing over some greater evil.

What we don't need is a girlboss talking him down & giving instructions, we've had plenty of this and people hate it.
Tarzan got with Jane, she was very fascinated and impressed by him. Hercules got with Meg, same story his heroic deeds left her swooning. Even in Meet the Robinsons it's implied Louis gets with Franny.

Beast has Belle, Buzz has Jessie, Ariel bends over backwards to be with a prince. Even Simba has Nala, they're practically fucking.
The knight gets with the cute gypsy girl Esméralda in Hunchback of Notre Dame,


What do they have they these days? Homo male negro trollop: the only pair bonding permitted. Having a white male be the recipient of affection is a downright atrocity, and why? Fucking ruined. Bring back this staple of quality cinema storytelling

>>150008012
Why are you so angry

>>150006739 (OP)
Why does everyone past the age of 30 still think zoomers are still teenagers? The oldest gen z at the moment is from their mid to late 20's.

>>150007187
Miyazaki literally predicted this in terms of where the industry was headed. It was his whole complaint during the 'anime was a mistake' thing

>>150008036
Im of the opinion that disney has sucked for pretty much its entire existence with only a handful of decent films under their belt that they actually made themselves and didnt steal from other companies. And even those i view as flukes and are movies disneys embarrassed of and tried to bury because they dont match the sanitized saccharine gynocentric brand image they want to portray themselves as. Disney has mostly always been singing princess shit garbage and i dont see that changing anytime soon

>>150008036
>Beast has Belle, Buzz has Jessie, Ariel bends over backwards to be with a prince

These are all girl boss movies. Belle even sings a song about how everyone in town is beneath her.

The key differences are all the women are attractive and they dont beat the viewer over the head about how perfect the woman is and how horrible the man is.

But yeah, both Jessie and Buzz are competent intelligent characters. Jessie stands out by having intense folksy energy, not by being smarter than buzz.

Well until that last movie where they write buzz as an idiot

>>150008036
>Even Simba has Nala, they're practically fucking.
Yeah they canonically have a daughter Kiara but she immediately gets with the shallow end of the genepool immigrant 'Kovu' in the sequel, belonging to a different tribe.
These days in Lions Guard or w/e they legit hang around with Hyena friends its fucking stupid

>>150008064
Im a 96 born late millennial/early zoomer and i still classify all young adults as zoomers
>>150008067
I heard about that before, but i didnt realize how right he actually was going to be

>>150007928
No, you can just ignore it if it's shit.
What's happening right now is Americans are copying anime more and more and you can't even face it so you need to cope.

>>150008046
Tribefaggot is a known shitposter on this board. Try to ignore him and report him for spamming

>>150008098
I like that buzz got bashful and spilled his spaghetti around pretty girl like Jessie, she loved his spanish mode

>>150008123
>"just ignore it bro plz dont hold us accountable for our mediocrity"
No, fuck you. Anime is shit now and people has every right to call out its decline into being shit currently

>>150006870
>I have some ideas
No you don't
>>150006918
>clanker
go back

>>150008091
The last real relationship i remember them doing was Thor & Jane (Natalie Portman)
Iron man & Pepper was stupid, she was more like his paid secretary who didn't actually like Tony. Think they even made her superpowered in an Iron Man movie it was garbage

>>150008130
Those scenes were great, 3 really is underrated even if toy story 2 is my favorite i think

>>150008159
>Think they even made her superpowered in an Iron Man movie it was garbage
Iron man 3 as a whole was fucking shit. Its 12 years later and im still mad over the shit mandarin fake out. IM3 was the beginning of the end for the MCU i think

>>150008144
>muh we just call out
Nah, Americans can't into art. It's just some ugly competition for them.
Half of /co/ threads are somewhat anime-inspired these days, but you guys aren't even capable to call them out so you need to cope by shitting on Japan instead.

>>150008219
>Nah, Americans can't into art.
Neither can the japs anymore if all they make is isekai slop

>>150008046
Why is your generation full of brown crossdressing sissy faggots that unironically watch trannyslop like Owl House?

>>150008229
>muh all they make is isekai
again?
Americans being incapable to critique anything properly has nothing to do with Japan

>>150008277
The vast bulk of anime being made is on the level of "i got reincarnated as a cum puddle" and the very few exceptions are some bafflingly weird and unwatchable shit like apothecary diaries whos wholl plot and setting is so niche i cant fathom how it had an audience at all

>>150006739 (OP)
nah
this the hill they wanted to die on
they spend years alienating the male audience with trash like owl house and other gay garbage

>>150008296
TOH was good unlike most other disney slop, and even then disney killed it because it wasnt saccharine and neutered enough for them

>>150008291
>unwatchable shit like apothecary diaries whos wholl plot and setting is so niche i cant fathom how it had an audience at all
absolute pleb. its got a unique setting, a really excellent protagonist and some interesting stories that you wouldn't think one would enjoy yet you do because its just well made and well told. Maomao is fucking adorable.

>>150007187
that abortion of a chart in the comic ignores businesses that sell beer and produce and many small business and businesses like hersheys are missing even tho other candy businesses are on it. thank you for showing your a midwit go back to reedit

>>150008325
Its a boring ass setting and the stories are fucking dull as shit.
>Maomao is fucking adorable.
Weebs will consoom whatever garbage waifu with no personality the anime industry shits out all because they can coom to them. Pathetic

>>150008343
>using the term midwit unironically

>>150006739 (OP)
gen z here how about make a new 2D animated film with good and likeable charters and fun storys.

>>150008291
see>>150007778

gaijins just look at the list of anime and simply think the anime industry relies on isekai because they can't recognize anything but the numbers of them
it just shows how dumb you are
also, i don't care how much you hate anime. i don't even watch them. i just pointed out how pathetic and hypocritical anime haters are here

>>150008149
Stop being robophobic

okay, okay, Americans, i get it

maybe shitting on anime and japan on /co/ will magically save your fake anime made by koreans

>>150008431
Anime is flooded with isekai that are knock offs of each other and SAO right now
>also, i don't care how much you hate anime. i don't even watch them.
You very clearly do watch them you assravaged weeaboo faggot. Also calling people gaijin wont make you suddenly japanse you pasty faced neckbeard

>>150008471
Both anime and western cartoons are in a terrible place right now and both slides in quality of content need to be called out and criticized and denying these issues exist is simply shill behavior

>>150008471
You leave the president of DC comics out of this

>>150008296
True. Owl House truly killed western animation with their tranny garbage. Amphibia ends up having to carry the good cartoon vibes on its back after the blunder and damages caused by Dana Terrace and her shitty cartoon.

Yeah sure on /co/ it's
>The only good stuff is Anime. Western Cartoons are retarded shit for children
But once you get to your own safespace it's
>The only good anime ever created is Monster. Everything else is retarded shit for children.

The hunchback of notre dame tells young men early that women are chad only and if you're an ugly gremlin then you're fucked.

>>150006870
>robot and kid adventures
Uhhh Robot Boy?

>>150008574
This time the robot is pink instead of the two times it was blue

>>150008346
>westerners: lets also make our characters look like abominations
>japan: uhhh lets make our characters look cute?

>>150008595
If you think the only thing that looks cute anymore is the same generic weeb blow up doll copied thousands of times then you need shock therapy

>>150007138
>Disney has never cared about appealing to the male sex.
>Never
Just since the late 80s.
I get what you are upset about but please try to get your facts straight. After Snow White it took 10 years and a lot of pressure from Roy to get Walt to make another Princess movie.
The little girl focus didn't start untill the "Renaissance"

All japanese characters are unique and look different, just like japanese people

>>150008291
>cant fathom how it had an audience at all

Its autistic women, anon. Thats whose watching it

Toxic absent mom
Autistic absent dad
Raised by kind relative
Special but not special, pretty but not pretty main character woman.
Solves mysteries while not standing out
Unclear romantic relationship with powerful beutiful man

You really dont know who this was made for?

>>150007138
>Disney has never cared about appealing to the male sex.
you are too young to be here.

>>150008700
the vast majority of isekai has failed male mcs making harems and untold power for no good reason, because everyone else in the isekai world is an idiot.

>>150008708
I mean, Disney went all in targeting girls after Hannah Montana took off and that was 19 years ago

>>150008621
NTA and while i agree the renaissance increased the gynocentric aspects 1000%, alot of disneys content even during walts time period was still too sanitized and stale for alot of guys tastes
>>150008700
>Its autistic women, anon. Thats whose watching it
Oh great so now anime is also producing junk to appeal to disney adult woman children on top of producing junk for neckbeard weebs who wanna jump into video games. The world is doomed

>>150008558
but he got a cuter girl with a personality who loved him for who he is in the sequel

>>150007240
>>150007312
>>150007432
>>150007461

Its interesting that Shonen Jump keeps an all/mostly male Editor staff on their mangás, because they KNOW what boys like.

Turns out that having middle aged feminists in charge of properties for young boys is RETARDED.

>>150008872
>Its interesting that Shonen Jump keeps an all/mostly male Editor staff on their mangás, because they KNOW what boys like.
>Turns out that having middle aged feminists in charge of properties for young boys is RETARDED

I wouldn't be surprised if japan is so far behind the times that they never started doing focus groups. They have too much respect for old people to consider what children might think.

Japanese industry only changed after 1946 because Demming was from the country thst defeated them. There is much less ensentive now to copy us.

I don't see how it can be that hard, just stop making so much gay/feminist/retarded shit.
Maybe stick a few hot women with giant tits in your stuff from time to time.

>>150008982
>I don't see how it can be that hard, just stop making so much gay/feminist/retarded shit.
The funny thing is that if you propose that, your entire staff of creatives will start to go full whiny "WHY HALF OF THE CAST IS WHITE?? WHY NONE OF THE CHARACTERS ARE GAY?? WHY THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERS AREN'T WOMEN???"

>>150008872
They have a genre entirely for women made by women, shojo.

>>150006739 (OP)
Zoomer don't have money though. Even if they manage to reconnect with the male population (which they wont), its likely it wont be a massive hit if it is too zoomer centered

>>150008998
Why do they fill staffs full of creatives that think that way in the first place then?

>>150008982
>I don't see how it can be that hard, just stop making so much gay/feminist/retarded shit.
>Maybe stick a few hot women with giant tits in your stuff from time to time.

Is that really the problem though?

Imo the problem is how overt it is. Does anyone really care until it hits the burger king kids level of diversity pandering?

Would you really care if two of the background women in a new tmnt were lesbians? Just two hot lesbians? They never talk about it. They're just hot and have an apartment together and there are hints in the background but its almost not talked about. Like they are two archeologist living in Manhattan and April and the turtles talk to them to move plots with ancient artifacts along. Theh are only in episodes for like 2 minutes.

Would anyone care?

Are these characters the problem or is it the pandering and the level of saturation?

>>150009023
>Why do they fill staffs full of creatives that think that way in the first place then?

If statistics are any indication, more women are graduating college. So more art school graduates are women.

They are probably also more likely to have a parent or significant other pay all their bills until theh break into the industry

>>150009023
>creatives
those people don't have a creative braincel amongst them, always churning out the same formulaic predictable crud

>>150009051
>Is that really the problem though?
Yes.
You guys fucking SUUUUUUCK at including these elements, so I just don't want them.
Every time you fags say "hot lesbians" you post some bitches who look like 12 year old boys or ugly old women, there ain't no lesbians in American media who look like pic related these days.
You suck, and you refuse to stop sucking, so I just don't want to see it period.

>>150009051
Have you seen April O'neil these days?
Used to be a hotty redhead with her cleavage out, very pretty. Now she's a troglodyte hideous negro with dreadlocks who is majorly overweight

>>150009023
corporate culture gatekeeps against anyone else. It's corporate middle class culture downstream of academia and politics. Transcends individual company policy.

>>150009076
>more women are graduating college. So more art school graduates are women.
Why do they only hire people with degrees then? Sounds like a grift

>>150009051
>Does anyone really care until it hits the burger king kids level of diversity pandering?
Depends of the setting. A setting based on medieval europe having half of the cast being negro or chinese is weird.

>Would you really care if two of the background women in a new tmnt were lesbians?
Lesbians are over represented, and now annoy people. Disney has also a history of droping entire pitches of shows because the diversity was only on side characters rather than main characters, the creatives in the production also get their pleasure on making everythign as gay as possible.

>>150009101
My dude, no one in this topic works in animation. Its like a bunch of guys killing time while thr coffee pot goes to work or killing time at their weekend job

>>150009128
By "you guys" I mean Americans, not literally you, the anonymous poster on 4chan.

>>150007883
>If you have a show with adventures, they wonder around town. 1% of them get roped or fall down a man hole and die.

So hypothetically, if one were to produce shows about magical fantasies, witches, demons, sexuality and gender confusion what outcome are they going for?

>>150009127
>Disney has also a history of droping entire pitches of shows because the diversity was only on side characters rather than main characters
That doesnt add up since the execs hated the owl house

Just give us babes like this who get all giddy, excited & enthusiastic whenever a white male is on screen. Simply thrilled to be in our presence. Nothing less will suffice, also have a timeskip where it's officially canon they reproduced. Mid-riff belly button exposed to imply procreation occurred umbilical cord

All the females would complain but they'd secretly love it

>>150007883
>1% of them get roped
Jesus, I thought lynching went out of style a few decades back.

>>150009202
That was before it, notice that at the time every single show they greenlighted had some poc girl as MC.

Disney started retreating on the woke stuff around the time Owl House was having their second season, because pushes against wokeness started to get bigger both on politics and social media.

>>150009265
>Disney started retreating on the woke stuff
Then why is everything they make still shit?

>>150009115
>Have you seen April O'neil these days?
>Used to be a hotty redhead with her cleavage out, very pretty. Now she's a troglodyte hideous negro with dreadlocks who is majorly overweight

Yes, they tried to tick too many boxes or someone on staff tried to make her her self insert.

One of my biggest criticisms of creator driven animation is how easily it becomes masturbatory for the creative team.

One of the biggest positives of toy driven shows is that they start by asking what the viewer wants.

The problem is that the problems flip on the back end of the production. The creative staff on a toy show stops carrying about midway through because rhe property owner just wants to sell toys. But with a creator driven show they become more interested in what the fans want as they connect over their art. And theh want to keep their jobs. So eventually they start to pander to the wants of the audience.

Tmnt had the legs it had because of how involved Eastman and Lard were with the figure approvals but that all pestered out as the two became distant with each other

>>150009123
>Why do they only hire people with degrees then? Sounds like a grift

The ussumption that educated people are better than some looney off the street

>>150009206
based and true

>>150009303
>The ussumption that educated people are better than some looney off the street
Well thats bogus because now its looneys with art degrees ruining million dollar franchises

>>150009162
>So hypothetically, if one were to produce shows about magical fantasies, witches, demons, sexuality and gender confusion what outcome are they going for?

They probably think they will play like little girls and redo the episodes with their dolls. Tell little stories.

I dont think they have a point of reference on how real little boys would play these stories.

>>150009293
On one side, its because these things take time, what we are seeing today is the remmains of woke stuff they had planned from 5 years ago, and it will be probably some years till things change.

On the other side, I'm convinced they are incompetent and retarded, and even if they tried telling people to not do something woke, their exployees would try to shove as much of that as possible anyway.

>>150009162
They wanted to make boys more tolerant of girly things and girls and whatever group they were pandering for. Basically the female boomer execs hate what men are and want little boys to okay with dolls and like girly things because they hate masculinity
>>150009335
>I dont think they have a point of reference on how real little boys would play these stories.
Yeah because its all old women in charge
>>150009351
Or maybe things still suck because disney is always shit and is just bad at telling stories outside of their audience of princess schlock loving woman children

>>150009206
>All the females would complain but they'd secretly love it

Yes and no. Normal little girls like drama, conflict, mate poaching and power dynamics. Imagine soap operas. Imagine Archie comics.

The perfect blend of something like this for kids is Disney's gargoyles. The back and forth with Elisa, Demona and goliath is interesting to little girls. The adventures and cool monsters are exciting to boys. And both little boys and girls like that the female characters are hot.

Has anyone pinpointed when American cartoons really went to shit because both Gargoyles and Btas had stuff for young boys and girls and that was 94

>>150006739 (OP)
Quick owl house brownxisters, we must show these cishet men how popular our sho-AAACCCK! aiieeeeeee how can this be happening to our small owlshit brown trans clitty??

americans are only good at stealing from others and claiming it's theirs. that's how their country was made in the first place.
the worst part is they do that while being preachy at the same time. nothing they make is authentic.

>>150009395
I really need to watch gargoyles someday. I heard season 3 sucks but the first two seasons rocked

>>150006739 (OP)
Never gonna happen.
Opition n1:
You have to be a man! But the world doesn't owe you anything. You have to do it with no rewards, only by the goodnes of your heart.

>It will fail because it's sappy, humiliating with a conformist message

Option n2:
I don't owe shit to anybody, I'm me. I'm going in a adventure to discover myself

>it will fail because that does not resonate with men. It's a gay message

Option n3: I am the rebelion. I don't obey the rules, I make my own path
>it will fail because it's joker for kids. Yeah! Let's create another icon to shoot up a kindergarden with

Why can't gen z males relate to Luke Skywalker and Peter Parker? Did something happen to these characters that have made them unrelatable?

>>150009394
>Tries to disagree with me
>By repeating what I said when I posted: "On the other side, I'm convinced they ..."

>>150009420
>Option n3: I am the rebelion. I don't obey the rules, I make my own path
>it will fail because it's joker for kids.
That would be based as fuck. Kids beed to be more rebellious so they dont grow up to be conformist pussy drones like millennials and zoomers are.

>>150009425
>Why can't gen z males relate to Luke Skywalker and Peter Parker? Did something happen to these characters that have made them unrelatable?
TLJ happened and made luke into a bitter crazed failure who then died. Thankfully the films havent followed peter parkers humiliation ritual from the comics yet but theres still time
>>150009437
Who said i disagreed with you fully?

>>150009419
>I really need to watch gargoyles someday. I heard season 3 sucks but the first two seasons rocked

The first few episodes are pretty good but nothing lives up to how /co/ hypes it up. Its also possibly the beginning of the feminist problem and only seems OK in hindsight.

Elisa is mixed, and a nepo baby within the show. She pretty much does whatever she wants as a detective because of who her parents are. She doesnt have like a beat she is watching. She even gets to use a nice classic car as her work car.

The one white woman on the cast, hyena whatever is a crazy bitch.

The other option is Demona, an actual monster who white woman's her whole life into endless suffering.

Lots of suffering for white men like Macbeth being fucked over and the wizard from the pilot. Xantos is super alpha but he might be half Greek or Italian.

The gargoyles are also some how ultra monogamous while not believing in parent child relationships. Children are mixed up before hatching and raised by the community.

There is lib mind rot there, its just all done in passing and they dont preach about it. It seems very mild compared to now

>>150009425
>Why can't gen z males relate to Luke Skywalker and Peter Parker?

The teenage desire to shit on all things old

>>150009519
>teenage
Anon, most of gen z are grown ass adults.

>>150009521
Lol

>>150009508
I think youre trying to look for wokeness where it doesnt exist anon

>>150009418
Stfu retard

>>150006764
>Every story has already been told
That's because there's only really like a dozen basic plot structures. But that doesn't mean every variation of characters, settings, and themes hasn't been overlaid on those basic plot structures yet.

>>150007613

The game mechanics is a pretty good rule of thumb for isekai. 95% of isekai is trash, but 99% of isekai with game mechanics, especially a status screen with a level and whatnot, is going to be pure shit. Those anime that are just a fantasy world, most are still going to be terrible, but you'll still get some gems.

Shangri-la Frontier is the exception that proves the rule since it's barely an isekai and more about a group of friends addicted to an MMO.

>>150006739 (OP)
>Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Dinosaur, The Great Mouse Detective, Any More examples for these Dumbasses?
Read between the lines. OP

>targeted towards Gen Z young men
They don't want your boomer movies.

>>150006870
Delete all your AI slop and then yourself.

>>150009833
I dont know if disney can do it tbqh. Whatever good boy centered movies they made they quickly try ti bury so i dont think anyone within the company wants to write for make audiences

>>150009795
I dont want to watch any anime that involves video games in its plot at all because i hate vidya shit completely

>>150006739 (OP)
>Treasure Planet
Thinking Gen Z MEN want Calarts trash

>>150006754
>Henry Cavill as Johnathan Joestar
who plays Dio?

>>150010603
Jared leto

>>150009938
Just put the fries in the bag

>>150008360
>He's correct, so I'll have to nitpick a word to avoid facing reality
Close call there, huh?

>>150010703
>I LIKE CORPO SLOP TO OWN DA LIBZ
AI slop merchants only push this shit because they either have no real artistic talent or have been brain rotted by culture war autism. Either way take that other anons advice and kys fag

>>150010735
Youre a corpo bootlicker and a faggot so yes, you are wrong

>>150007613
the isekai shit is mostly because one company (kadok*wa) decided to spam out adaptations of crappy wattpad-tier isekai webnovels you'd find in ao3, since japan and china keeps eating them up. Also gameshit added because who isn't tired of dragon quest

>>150010703
>>150006870
None of these look good tho. They are all ugly. Can't you even do cool looking slop?

>>150010866
I fucking hate streamers of any kind so much. Lets plays were a cancer when they started 10 years back but seeing that shit take off into a whole genre is depressing as hell. There is no real entertainment value to be had watching some jack off badly play shitty games and spout cringe comments and one liners the entire time. Yet my entire generation adores this slop because they have parasocial attachments to these figures. It fucking makes my blood boil seeing this absolute degradation of IQ in zoomers where they think the peak of content is watching some fat dude avatar as an anime girl and playing games. The shit taste of this generation knows no bounds.

>>150006739 (OP)
Weren't most of those flops?

>>150010937
>Weren't most of those flops?
Sadly yes. Ill always hate that treasure planet flopped because disney fags didnt like it because it was actually a decent movie without cringe sing along moments and faggy princesses. Disney fanatics have chronic shit taste so if something isnt by the numbers renaissance level schlock, disney adults will hate it usually

>>150007187
>Did collective IQ and creativity drop in japan in the last twenty years? Anime used to be so different and better then the slop they make now.
No it wasn't, what was popular back then was also trash.

You can't beat video games and the internet in 2025. It's no longer possible.

>>150006739 (OP)
>spend 8 billions buying MCU and Marvel bragging how you're gonna attract men to your company
>spend a decade injecting estrogen into it alienating men, eventually they move on to male oriented media such as anime and vidya
>act surprised when 2 generations of men check out and don't buy your gynocentrist shit
>tries too fix this once it's too little too late
Lmao

>>150011171
MCU and SW*

>>150011014
Anime was much better back then, even the trash from that era was still better then the popular shit of today
>>150011143
I cant understand why zoomers love vidya so much now. Why did video games eclipse every other medium in interest from normies suddenly despite existing alongside other mediums of entertainment for decades before hand? Why do some greasy retards only play games now and never even watch TV or movies anymore? Its absolutely pathetic

>>150007030
>>150006985

Fuck you, Yaotards and Yuritards.

>>150007468
It should be The Owl House, not Amphibia.

>>150007187
>Did collective IQ and creativity drop in japan in the last twenty years? Anime used to be so different and better then the slop they make now. Also video games and vidya culture is a disease upon humanity
>>150011190
>Anime was much better back then,

Are you retarded nigga? 20 years ago was almost the peak of isekai stuff. There is way less isekai today than 20 years ago.

>>150008534
The Most Bothering, Disgusting image i ever see.

>>150011277
Wrong, SAO came out in 2011 and all the vidya isekai crap followed suit a few years afterwards

>>150011293
Even then, thats 15 years ago.
20 years ago you had fucking naruto and bleach all over the place.

>>150009101
>Every time you fags say "hot lesbians" you post some bitches who look like 12 year old boys or ugly old women
This is why I always laugh at the autists here who say shit like "WHAT KIND OF STRAIGHT MAN DOESN'T WANT TO SEE TWO GIRLS KISS?!"
They genuinely don't understand that straight guys want to see HOT girls kiss, preferably while topless.
No, they do not want a chaste kiss between two flat tweens, no, they do not want two ugly fat black women kissing, no, they do not want to see two spinsters kissing, they want to see two hot, young women take their tops off, show their tits, and make out.
Until westerners understand this simple truth all western lesbians will continue to be shit on.

>>150011312
Fair point, i keep forgetting the 90s arent 20 years old anymore. Again the mid 2000s had better anime then today even if there was alot of shonen shit like naruto stinking up the place

>>150006870
i would watch swamp beats

Nobody wants Anime. It was big in 2002 but nobody needs to see 1000 more episodes of Ash Ketchum going to fight the gym leader and losing but Team Rocket shows up to steal Pikachu and then Ash launches them into space and then gets a badge just for saving the gym. Or the same thing but with trading cards. Or spinning tops. Or ball monsters. It's all goofy writing for children.

>>150011190
>Anime was much better back then
No it fucking wasn't. The big three of shonen were/are complete shit, and you still had loser weebshit anime like Negima, slop like Inuyasha, and overrated trash like Code Geass, and garbage like Sword Art Online and Fairy Tale are being written and ready to be adapted soon as well. The quality of anime is the exact same now as it was then.

>>150011328
>This is why I always laugh at the autists here who say shit like "WHAT KIND OF STRAIGHT MAN DOESN'T WANT TO SEE TWO GIRLS KISS?!"
The whole fetishizing of lesbians that alot of raunchy comedy films in the 2000s popularized has gone away for the most part now. Alot of men just straight up hate women now ESPECIALLY lesbians because they dont fuck dudes

>>150011356
In the 90s and early 2000s anime was better then it is now and even in the late 2000s there were at least some good anime rather then the total lack of anything redeemable being produced today

>>150010600
>soileniall post praising john k
oh the irony

>>150011371
Neither do women, women makes /pol/ look like baby in how much they shame dykes for being failure genetic dead ends

>>150011371
That was never a fetishization of lesbians, it was a fetishization of bi chicks.
The weird shit where creepy dudes get off on how gay two girls are and how they totally wouldn't fuck a dude didn't start showing up until yurifags sided with the alphabet parade because they thought it would lead to more relevance for them.

>>150011438
Stacies are psychopaths so id believe it
>>150011442
>The weird shit where creepy dudes get off on how gay two girls are and how they totally wouldn't fuck a dude didn't start showing up until yurifags sided with the alphabet parade because they thought it would lead to more relevance for them.
So guys like dobson?

>>150011476
>So guys like dobson?
Oddly enough, yes, now that I think about it, Dobson would qualify as a yurifag.

>>150011352
>T. Animainiacs writer

>>150006996
As if modern Disney would ever risk bringing her back.

>>150011389
>In the 90s and early 2000s anime was better
No. It wasn't. This is the same stupid argument people make about music, "Ahhhh it was so much better back in the 70's, now that I can filter out all the mountain of shit for the greatest hits." You going to sit here and tell me to my face that because Cowboy Bebop exists that dreck like Garzey's Wing doesn't? You going to tell me you give a fuck about Generator Gawl? Should I pretend that because the 2020's has produced content like Pluto and Ranking of Kings that that means popular slop like Solo Leveling doesn't exist? Low quality popular slop has always existed in anime, and always will, and crying because some high quality titles that were made before you were born were handpicked for you doesn't change that. You fucking nitwit.

>>150011190
>Why did video games eclipse every other medium in interest from normies suddenly despite existing alongside other mediums of entertainment for decades before hand?
More reliable dopamine loop, can be mindless trash and they'll keep at it all day long.
>>150011277
>Are you retarded nigga? 20 years ago was almost the peak of isekai stuff. There is way less isekai today than 20 years ago.
Are you retarded? I'm not gonna pretend like 2005 was a landmark year for anime, but if you think there was more isekai then compared to now then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>150011312
>20 years ago you had fucking naruto and bleach all over the place.
...and now you have demon slayer and jjk. Shounen slop has been a thing for ages, so what?
>>150011541
I would rather watch Garzey's Wing than isekai slop #208387. At least there was vareity back then. At elast fantasy ddin't have to be video game knock off pandering.

Anime was fucking shit in the early 00s and was memes to death. It looks s only in 2013 that it started gaining traction with SAO and AOT, which were also shit mind you, but at least looked good.

>>150006764
that's the beauty of it, most series are surely taken inspiration from other mediums but the way they are written helps them stand out of their own

Anime was fucking shit in the early 00s and was memed to death thanks to weeaboos. It looks s only in 2013 that it started gaining traction with SAO and AOT, which were also shit mind you, but at least looked good.

>>150011514
basil belongs to ratigan

>>150011572
>More reliable dopamine loop, can be mindless trash and they'll keep at it all day long.
So they really are retarded then, huh? Fuck gamers

>>150011630
Anon, you're an iToddler, you can't call anyone else retarded.

>>150011646
I absolutely can and will, fuck gamers and fuck society going down the pipe because zoomers only want to play vidya slop

>>150011662
YOU are a zoomer, retard.
You remind me of every other zoomer who blames the rest of their generation for the downfall of society while doom scrolling tiktok because their brain is just as fried as the rest of their cohort.
You have no room to speak, retard.

Anime only had a recent surge because a bunch of let's players watched JoJo's Bizarre Adventure a few years ago

>>150011680
I hate being a zoomer but i can still hate my generation. At least im not some shit taste gaymer subhuman who doesnt watch movies because its "boring"

>>150011572
>I would rather watch Garzey's Wing than isekai slop #208387.
You'd rather watch neither which is why you have the choice not to. Are you the kind of idiot that goes on /v/ and wastes his time crying about some modern Ubisoft trash title as an example of the state of video games when you can pick and play literally anything from the plethora of indie titles available? Most of the anime in your image is forgettable rubbish, which is why nobody ever talks about it. You don't want to watch isekai? Then don't watch it! Go fucking watch Mob Psycho or Heavenly Delusion, or fucking Chainsaw Man. Nobody tells you you need to watch mid 2000's highschool rom coms like Peach Girl, why do you think you're only able to watch isekais for modern anime? You didn't need to watch shonen slop like Naruto back then, and you don't need to watch shonen slop like Demon Slayer now. Are you disingenuous or are you actually that stupid?

>>150011690
Instead you're a shot taste retard who attaches himself emotionally to shows for 9 year olds and spends all time browsing tiktok and only watches movies if they have a furry character that you want to fuck in them.

>>150011696
see
>>150007597
Fantasy is my favorite genre, and if you wanna go ahead and pretend isekai doesn't have it by the balls, feel free, but you're delusional.

>>150011709
Tranime fags are worse though.

>>150011728
Based on your posts, and the fact that you're a braindead iToddler, I'm gonna have to press X to doubt on that.
You are absolutely the worst kind of human being; a low-functioning autist.
People like you need to be institutionalized and lobotomized, shutting down our asylums was the worst thing America ever did.

>>150011762
I'm not the anon you were arguing with but whatever man

>>150011719
Ranking of Kings, Frieren, Dungeon Meshi, Little Witch Academia. An anime for Witch Hat Atelier is set to come out this year. Stop your crying.

>>150006739 (OP)
What they need
>interesting, creative, masculinity affirming adventure stories
What they'll greenlight
>skibidi rizz ohio in the backrooms & knuckles

>>150011709
>>150011762
At least i am better then being a knuckle dragger who plays mario all day for dopamine hits like a faggot loser

>>150011795
No, you're not. Browsing tiktok all day for dopamine hits is absolutely worse than playing Mario all day, and is objectively more damaging long-term.

>>150011809
I dont use tik tok. Second being sddicted to repetitive simplistic boring shit like mario proves you have the most terminal shit taste then anyone here alongside the isekai defender. Nintendrones are fucking pathetic

>>150006870
Bro forgot CN’s cancellation department is run by fat Hitler who despises robots
He cancelled Robot Jones cuz it gave him PTSD to his times as a school principal
He cancelled Robotboy because the idea of robots being around kids sickens him
He cancelled Megas XLR because he doesn’t dig giant robots
ETC, ETC, ETC

>>150011843
You're an iToddler zoomer on /co/ and your posts are braindead, you definitely browse tiktok.

THEY SHOULD MAKE A SHOW ABOUT NFTS AND CRYPTOCURRENCY TO PREPARE THE NEXT GENERATION FOR THE FUTURE

>>150011872
>NFTs
>the future
The bubble burst in 2023, though. There is no future for NFTs.

>>150011921
THIS ONE HAS ELON MUSK IN IT

>>150011783
>Ranking of Kings(2021), Frieren(slop), Dungeon Meshi(2024), Little Witch Academia(2017). An anime for Witch Hat Atelier(even worse slop)
You had to go back to 2017 for this reach; meanwhile, there are no less than 9 isekai anime this SEASON.

I have seen hundreds of anime. I'm talking about the most acclaimed shit ever, Gundam, Ruroni Kenshin, Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Evangelion, FMAB, Serial Experiments Lain, Monster, Gaurren Lagann, Kill la Kill, Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer etc etc, and let me tell you none of it even comes close to Steven Universe level of quality. I quit the anime medium entirely once I realized that.

>>150011931
And what the fuck 10/10 fantasy animes were you getting twenty years-thirty years ago that were dropping year after year you little crybaby bitch? Do you just perpetually masturbate to Slayers and think nothing else existed or something?

>>150011994
in the early 2000s we got Princess Tutu, Haibane Renmei, Kino no Tabi, Last Exile, Mahou Shoujo Tai Arusu, Fuujin Monogatari, Juuni Kokuki, and that's without getting into movies or science fantasy, and at a time when there was just less anime be produced as a whole.
>10/10
I didn't say anything about that. Freiren peaks in the first episode and devolves into shounen slop because it was clearly conceived as a oneshot without a lot of forethough put into a longer story, and Witch Hat was always poorly written slop carried by good art. I don't need 10/10s, I want vareity.

>>150011436
>Praising
John K was a strange man who hates everything /co/ wants out of animation and I don't know why so many cartoon people liked him at some point

>>150011950
This but unironically

>>150012209
>Mahou Shoujo Tai Arusu
>Juuni Kokuki
These are literally isekai lmfao.
>Fuujin Monogatari
This isn't fantasy.
>I didn't say anything about that.
You sure got strange standards if you think Tweeny Witches is acceptable but somehow Frieren and Witch Hat Atelier isn't. By strange standards, I mean shit taste, of course.

>>150007187
>Did collective IQ and creativity drop in japan in the last twenty years?
The amount of anime being produced doubled and the barrier of entry for new stories dropped

Just shit out whatever slop your amateur writer ass can muster as a web novel
Then ding dong you've been contacted to make your shit smear into an actual published light novel, maybe with an editor it won't stink as bad
Then you get a manga adaptation, typically the best version of your story
Finally some C-tier studio wins the bid to produce the anime of your shit novel, a mere 7 years after you first took to typing it out. Only they adapt the light novel version and manage to avoid any of the charm the manga might have injected

>>150012420
>These are literally isekai lmfao.
Yeah, and completely unrecognizable compared to what isekai is now.
>>Fuujin Monogatari
>This isn't fantasy.
durr urban fantasy not fantasy!!1! Eat my ass.
>You sure got strange standards if you think Tweeny Witches is acceptable but somehow Frieren and Witch Hat Atelier isn't. By strange standards, I mean shit taste, of course.
Frieren started strong and wetn downhill fast. Like I said, it's rpetty clear there wasn't a lot of forethought given for a longer story and it shows. Sorry I don't like boring filler shounen battle arcs.
As for Witch Hat....gorgeous manga. Neat-ish magic system. Shit writing. Absolutely some of the most cliched shit ever.

>>150006870
These all look like Steven Universe gay shit to me except maybe the two of the far left

They already had Star Wars but decided to gay it up for the girls, chasing the boys away. Kingdom Hearts exists but they'll probably screw it up too. They can't help but make shit for girls.

>>150012409
Spumguzzlers are in a cult of personality built around a mythologized pedophile who wasn't even good at doing the things he was famous for. He had a single real success with Ren & Stimpy and spent the rest of his life pissed off that he couldn't recapture that on his own. So he blamed literally everyone and everything else in the world except himself.

>>150012511
>Yeah, and completely unrecognizable compared to what isekai is now.
By what standards?
>durr urban fantasy not fantasy!
A setting featuring otherwise ordinary people with special powers does not make it fantasy. Otherwise that just opens up the door even wider and I might as well say go watch Chainsaw Man, Mob Psycho or Dan Da Dan.
>Absolutely some of the most cliched shit ever.
I reiterate: You like Tweeny Witches. An isekai that's about a young girl with a surprising talent for magic that wants to use her abilities to make people happy. To be clear, there isn't anything wrong with liking this, but at the same time disparaging Frieren and Witch Hat Atelier for having poor, cliched writing is ridiculous.

>>150012925
>By what standards?
...is that a joke? are you actually retarded?
Things they lack that modern isekai all have;
>loser(gamer) protag(male)
>reincarnation
>generic fantasy world virtually unrecognizable from any other modern isekai fantasy world
>video games skills/menus/leveling
>"cheat" skills
>loser protag's 1337 gamer skillz make them OP
>primarily female cast who are the actual stars of the show, not the MC
>they all fall for the MC
>adventurer's guild
>demon lord
>worldbuilding on the fly, noting makes any sense if you think about it for more than two seconds

>>150011930
>three hands

>>150013682
The Executioner and Her Way of Life
Otherside Picnic
The Saga of Tanya the Evil
Ascendance of a Bookworm
I Shall Survive Using Potions
Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash
So I'm a Spider, So What?

There you go, a whole bunch of fantasy isekais that have few or none of the tropes you're complaining about.

>>150006918
>clanker
You're on 4chan. We call AI posters jeets here. It cuts deeper and hits them right where it hurts.

>>150011281
What's up with bottom middle?

>>150006739 (OP)
No one wanted any of those even in boomer times. Kids won't want to watch your le hecking hidden gems. Also that's not a pitch or original

>>150013682
Christ, I hate when people here talk about anything because it reminds me that you guys don't actually know anything about literally any subject.

Western entertainment as a whole is just inferior. It's genuinely a low brow thing that's rapidly becoming a niche and this won't change. Even if they pivot to le boys they'll just make more ugly sterile crap with no appeal whatsoever.

>>150014670
Weebshit is a fucking cancer and is worse, regardless if normal fags like putrid crap like one piece now

>>150008091
Disney owes a lot of its existence to the Public Domain. But by now they have run out of famous public domain material aka Fairy Tales. Think the only ones they haven't done that's famous is Rumpelstiltskin and a theatrical movie of Red Riding Hood. But Disney is all out of public domain material.

And it shows. Thanks to their copyright extension nonsense they need to wait out the time with sequels and remakes to stay afloat. And I hope they starve waiting around because modern estates will still sue using trademarks. I hope this helps KILL Disney and Universal while we're at it since they're not that different in their methods.

>>150014773
>Weebshit is a fucking cancer and is worse
Beautiful art is better than sterile talking animal bullshit. This discussion is pointless because US media is defeated and obsolete, it doesn't matter if it's for boys or girls. It's just bad. It's either christcuck or SJW nonsense and nothing more. It cannot compete with anime.

>>150008036
Romance? Wake up idiot these days USA people young and old ESPECIALLY boys and men don't buy into romance. They know that the woman is a lying slut pile of shit. Come to think of it that summarizes Meg from Disney's Hercules. In the myth she was an innocent virgin wife of Hercules who tragically gets killed by Hera's evil scheme. The Disney version of Meg is a Modern Smart Mouth Used Goods who sells Hercules out to the Devil and he forgives her. Disney has always been LAME shit.

The point though is that men an boys don't believe in romance shit thanks to the toxic culture of feminism which lets them see women and girls are parasite sacks of shit incarnate. The most famous wake up call to boys that women are shitty is media like Adventure DYKE Time showing how a straight dude like Finn got wrecked by shitty female writers who hated Finn. Boys aren't ignorant they know that these horrible people are the ones making modern cartoons.

Look at how many boys are already criticizing the incoming Sonic Movie 4 because of the OBVIOUS Toxic Feminism Shit with Amy Rose. Boys reject romance because even in their youth they now its fake shit and girls are shit. The genie is out of the bottle asshole.

>>150007100
They're power fantasy with harem involved.

I'm 99% sure that this world is doomed and we might as well just enjoy the simple little things while we can.

>>150008098
>Well until that last movie where they write buzz as an idiot

Male characters get written as stupid because they know that boys and men ARE stupid and keep buying into the franchises. Look at The Simpsons, Spongebob, The Minions, Dragon Ball, etc all of them famous for their STUPID male characters and boys and manchilds love spending their money on media that tells them that they are dumb.

Men deserve to be insulted because they still buy into it even now as we speak. Now lets sing the true national hymn of the United States...

Men smart but the woman is smarter!

That's what you dumb asses deserve because most of you buy into it.

>>150008067
He has no right to complain since he loves making movies about shitty lolies all the time. So I see no difference between Hayao Miyazaki and the recent Japanese who made Donkey Kong Bananza and Pragmata media about shitty lolies.

I don't think cartoonist can make a cartoon without being gay and lame. Can't remember the last time a cartoon that wasn't that. No shit males aren't watching cartoons.

>>150008558
Your point is stupid because Quasimodo is malformed.

You want the message to stick with boys make the rejected male character average looking as he sees the woman he likes get with Chad. In that regard media like Gilmore Girls is quite accurate, you can be a decent looking dude but you're still going to lose to the better looking rich douchebag.

>>150014914
>beautiful art
The same cooy and laste shit art style is not "Beautiful art" you fucking weeaboo faggot

Disney can't really appeal much to to young men at this point.
That audience is entirely lost to video games, anime, streamers, and the occasional trendy thing that seems less gay.
They spent an entire generation making their media as lame and gay as possible, so the only people into it are lame and gay people, whose tastes are the exact opposite of your average hetero young male.

>>150008558
>>150015216
Men don't even really prefer fat bitches if they have a choice in it but this fag expected disney of all things to guilt women into giving pity sex to men this deformed. You owe Quasimodo sex.

>>150015238
better than amerimutt "art"

>>150015432
I prefer fat bitches alot of times

>>150014973
>shitty female writers
And shittier numale writers.

>>150015365
Yeah, anime won the culture war bigly. That's why so many companies are trying to buy their way into Japan and take the industry over.

>>150007148
The Description of a New World, Called The Blazing-World predates all of those by 200-300 years

>>150006739 (OP)
>'creatives' in hollywood
Maybe they should consider looking anywhere else.

>>150006870
How can someone be this out of touch?

>>150007283
>Honestly Indy having a daughter who argues with him
Essentially a girl version of young Indy. Would have been cool as fuck. Old Indy having to contend with someone just as brash and hotheaded as he was in his youth would have been great. If you did it right you could have had a whole new franchise.

>>150007432
>This is not an uncommon problem when a company just wants to make money off a customer base they dont respect or understand.
Same thing has happened with Star Trek. They assume Trekkies will mindlessly slurp up anything with a chevron and actually hold the hardcore fans in contempt as they're hungry for normie-bux. As a result they've churned out years of woke-garbage, pissed off the core fanbase, and failed to attract that "modern audience" we hear so much about.

>>150015599
>That's why so many companies are trying to buy their way into Japan and take the industry over.
And later find out the industry is super poor and isn't worth investing. Its real funny to see these big business pull out after seeing how poor the industry really is.

>>150007735
>multiple scripts for the MCU Blade movie were nothing but "Blade sucks and is replaced by a woman."
Source? They can't really be that tone deaf can they?

No

>>150015500
Wrong

>>150006739 (OP)
Don't ask them to revive those things, OP.

>>150006739 (OP)
>Atlantis
Flop
>Treasure Planet
Flop
>Dinosaur
Flop and bad, like... Jesus Christ! You need a level of autism like the retarded manchildren who still pay for and discuss about the new Jurassic Park flicks to enjoy that crap. It looks like shit, it's boring as shit, the characters are shit, it's pure shir, pure solified shit with no redeeming qualities
>The Great Mouse Detective
Flop

>>150017313
Anime is a loss leader for merchandising and Japanese soft power. They genuinely don't care that studios lose money as long as the institutional knowledge remains. So, basically, the people who make it possible have to be able to keep working, that's about it.

>>150006739 (OP)
watching the great big ass company thats done nothing but call me a pathetic basement dweller for liking the things I like is more entertaining than any movie I could possibly come up with.

just tell'em get some ideas from AI . I thought this was suppose to be the next glorious threshold of humanity, not a glorified calculator rendering porn of girls with 13 fingers?!

>>150010600
I don't care about the rest of it but I do like that he shat on the Iron Giant because fuck that movie and fuck everyone who likes it.

>>150018689
Why don't you like it

>>150018697
I haven't even seen it, just one of my friends as a kid really loved it and he was such a colossal cunt that I now get unreasonably angry whenever it's brought up. I can't think of one other thing that has this effect on me but when I see anything about that movie I'm a six year old again and lonely in a way I can't describe.

>>150017313
Thank god, all foreign investment should exit anime, they can put all their money in more AI slop for the masses instead and leave us alone.

>>150015522
What kind of fat?

>>150019131
This kind of fat

>>150017313
Those damn japs fooled us by repackaging Superman and Dracula, and then you look under the hood and find out the industry is just a bunch of stories about "The time I died and got 72 virgins"

>>150019353
That's what I thought

>>150006870
>Cartwork
Get the FUCK out of here you AIfag

>>150006754
>>150010603
The perfect casting of JoJo was Sylvester Stallone as Jonathan and David Bowie as Dio. They were the inspiration for the characters. Unfortunately Stallone is a fossil and Bowie is dead

>>150008574
Add 2 more kids and a healty dose of abuse and then it's WHTRJ?

>>150006968
>Why does anyone here think disney will suddenly make shit for guys now? Theyve always been gynocentric.
Disney made adventure films and shows like Zorro under uncle Walt. He always wanted to attract families in general. Maybe Walt was more inclined to girls because he had daughters only but his last film was The Jungle Book

>>150007245
Blue haired freaks have money while Trumpfags are either too poor or only consume movies by torrent. Blame Reagan for killing the American middle class, Disney's traditional audience

>>150020636
>The Jungle Book
my mom's favorite Disney movie

>>150006739 (OP)
Unironicly they should make a movie about iPhone or tiktok

>>150019353
I need to fuck a fat chubby bitch

teenage boys don't care about star wars, marvel, or cartoons. they like cod, gta, horror movies with lots of blood and guts, porn, and maybe sports.

>>150020754
Your mom is based but The Jungle Book isn't a princess movie or aimed to female audience. It's basically a bro movie and the only female character appears at the end

>>150006739 (OP)
Literally just any old European saga or heroic story.

>>150011281
>Israel's flag is missing
You're jewish.

>>150007699
>>guy troons out
KEK YOU RETARD YOU GOT ME XD

>>150018645
>13 fingers
Just imagine the handjobs she could give. Imagine!

>>150021832
Not that israeli flag, the OTHER israeli flag:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-6e1n67clqw/images/stencil/1200x1200/products/5094/242757/smtwvekzdsqcsfbdrn98__35251.1745234436.jpg?c=1

>>150020694
>Blame Reagan for killing the American middle class

Reagan has done more than that to kill the middle class he is the one who approved of No Fault Divorce which has broken many middle class families for no reason other than a shitty wife wants to take her husband's savings and cash prizes like alimony. The Republicans should be brutally hated even more than any other party and yet idiots think Republicans are good because they hate the Democrats. Democrats are trash, but Republicans are trash as well. Americans are too dumb to notice the system is not here to be fair only to HURT them. But I must reiterate Republicans have done most of the work to really kill the middle class and the nuclear family itself. I'm confused as to why people don't mention this.

>>150021660
What I like is that Baloo saw that bitch and openly said "Stay away from those they are nothing but trouble!" And its true women are trouble. The only way women aren't trouble is if they have no rights OR if they are replaced with controlled robots like Stepford Wives.

You want sanity in civilization then women belong crushed under the boot of man.

>>150007001
Star Wars is the real wild card because there's no realistic way to gauge how much they've totally fucked up it's viewer demographics and age breakdown.

With the MCU, there's constant releases to give metrics. But with Star Wars, there hasn't been a new movie in theaters in over half a decade. I could see the Mandalorian movie's audience attendance disproportionately lean older even worse than the MCU now. And that's Mandalorian, which is one of the few things that could appeal to younger people potentially.
I don't know how they even begin to fix Star Wars and make it exciting or fresh after they dug their heels in nostalgia the entire time they've owned it.

>>150007245
Fuck off ESL

>>150022933
>I don't know how they even begin to fix Star Wars and make it exciting or fresh after they dug their heels in nostalgia the entire time they've owned it.
The first step is admitting they fucked up. Which is why they'd never do it.

>>150022991
Realistically though, what does that actually accomplish in regards to bringing in younger fans?
And what does that even look like? More nostalgia? Weird crap like cgi deepfake Luke and Rise of Skywalker entirely could be looked at as an apology and response to the Last Jedi criticisms.

They wasted an entire decade throwing away and pissing off the old generational fans, who might have showed it to their kids. That's a lot of time for the rot to fester and diminish the brand.

If anything their constant nostalgiabait pandering is an attempt to appeal to fans with what LF thinks they want. They only do things that are marketed to existing fans, while also actively pushing them out with weird ideas in the mix. Ultimately pleasing absolutely no one.

Something like The Acolyte was probably the one project they've done that potentially could have maybe brought in new fans. It was disconnected enough that it doesn't feel like a chore getting into it, like everything else that's mired in Original Trilogy nostalgia has.
They completely fucked that one up too though.

Star Wars and MCU both have the shared issue of being too old, too interconnected, and most of all surrounded with people from all sides talking about how shit it is and constantly infighting (Star Wars way worse than Marvel when it comes to that).
The constant bickering Star Wars discourse has is probably it's biggest deterrent to new young fans getting invested. Even if they bother doing the homework with 50 years of stuff to catch up on, they can't really find a community to talk about it in without conflict being inevitable.

It's also just so old that it's not cool anymore. The MCU now is a nerdy series that kid's dads like. But Star Wars is just some series their dads or grandpa likes.

I don't think there's anything that can fix or save Star Wars. Unlike most film series, it can't be fixed easily with a reboot. It being one continuity of films for half a century is what made it special.

>>150023316
>Realistically though, what does that actually accomplish in regards to bringing in younger fans?
Next step: completely cleaning house at Lucasfilm. Get rid of Kennedy, everyone she brought in, and everyone the people she brought in brought in. Start over from scratch.
Next next step: start pushing the EU

>>150007100
I'll try and talk you through it.
Imagine the standard anime viewer. He's probably fat, lonely, peaked in high school, he's a manchild, he's desperate for relief from the real world. In other words, he reached his mental peak at 14 and he covets his younger years, and can't move on.
How do you appeal to such a person? Well, you combine his manchild obsession with being 14 with other validating shit that such a person might like: Video games, fantasy, titillating coomer bait, etc.
Isekai is popular because it is distillation of every base vice a manchild has into one thing. Video Games, Anime, Wish-Fulfillment, Peaked-At-14, Nostalgia, Pedophilia, everything these people are into is all condensed into isekai. So people with no higher values who just want low-brow entertainment as an escape get sucked in.
They don't hate that it's generic slop for idiots; that's why they like it in the first place! You just don't get it because you have a soul and a curious mind. You experience enjoyment from novelty and new ideas, but frankly? The average person is a retarded mongoloid, and you may as well be a different species from them.
Hope that clears it up!

>>150023454
It does clear things up, thanks anon. And fuck isekai loving neckbeards

>>150023374
Pushing the EU entails decanonizing the Sequel Trilogy which will only make things worse for them. The movies suck fucking shit and are absolute trash. But they exist and that can't be undone.

Removing them and putting out NEW EPS 7/8/9 will confuse everyone that isn't already pre-existing fans or in the know. Casuals will be so confused they won't know wtf is going on.
Not to mention you then are forced to deal with the question of recasting or deepfaking the OT actors since they wasted the one time they could have used them. Recasts and a deepfake are both inherently controversial, but necessary, since the EU stories need Han, Luke and Leia.

Adapting EU would work if it wasn't the OT era, but that's all they fucking do is OT era stuff so it inevitably would just be more of that. After Acolyte, I doubt they'll attempt something like a KOTOR era project.

They'll never actually just vault and pretend TFA, TLJ, and TROS never happened even if they decanonized them. So then there will be two continuities on streaming that makes it a total mess for people to get into because they'll need someone to give them a crash course test on the right order and which ones suck, etc. Right out the gate, it makes it feel like homework for a potential new fan.

It's the same shit the multiverse did to the MCU.
It's going to be interesting to see how the reset of the MCU fares after the next Avengers movies. I think it's going to blow up in their face bigtime.

But, if somehow it works for them, I won't be surprised if they try it with Star Wars too.
They seriously fucked themselves so hard it isn't even funny. Totally pushed into a corner and it's all their fault.

>>150023533
>decanonizing the Sequel Trilogy
That's what "admitting they fucked up" would be.

>>150023547
That hurts your brand more though when you have people as well as the company itself tell you 'skip these 3 movies, they're terrible. They don't matter'.
(plus any streaming shows that become decanonized by proxy. I didn't watch any, so have no clue which ones have Sequel Trilogy shit in them)

When you're trying to get a new fan into something, it's a really bad omen if they have to be forewarned that certain entries in a franchise are terrible or worse, skippable.

This is the inherent problem with Star Wars is you can never do a total reset because you can't remove I-VI. It would be sacrilege.
But half-hearted reboots rarely work and just cause confusion and bloat.

It also makes it hard to invest in something if you know the new stuff could be decanonized at any time. There's no reason to trust their new EU focused reboot won't reboot again in a few years. Star Wars turning into a sad trash-heap of cinematic creative resets like Terminator would just be pathetic.

For me personally, Star Wars was dead the moment the EU was decanonized. I gave TFA a chance and fucking despised it. It's insane how bad things got.
But even if they managed to make a good trilogy, I doubt I would ever have been able to invest in it because of what they did to the EU. It's just fucking sad man.

>>150023684
Not thinking a new trilogy. Thinking animated streaming series.

>>150023454
Being 14 mentally is being into novelty and new ideas for their own sake. That's what everyone's into at that age because they're finally unsupervised and lack the experience to distinguish fresh paint from different content.

The reason the dickbags are the way they are is because they're cultural abandonware, not much different from the homeless or long-term prisoners. They do not contribute to the social sphere around them; it does not contribute to them. They take joy in being spiteful towards normative moral process for the same three reasons everyone else takes it in making them into laughingstocks.

It's cheap, fun, and totally safe.

>>150006739 (OP)
Song of the South
>t. zoomer

>>150011143
Disney has the theme parks which are adjacent to vidya but they're currently sucking out the soul (Splash Mountain) and appealing to foodies.

>>150023684
I think people who want to decanonize the sequels are nuts but disney is shooting themselves even further by not swallowing their pride and admitting that they fucked up. At this point i think disney should try making a new trilogy almost wholly disconnected from the skywalker saga but knowing shitsney itll probably be crap on the level of andor again and while normies in their infinite stupidity like that crap it fucking sucked and isnt what star wars is meant to be

>>150023374
>Get rid of Kennedy, everyone she brought in, and everyone the people she brought in brought in
I cannot comprehend why that hasnt happened yet. Shes apparently leaving lucasfilm in jan of next year but she should have been fired YEARS ago

>>150022536
>must reiterate Republicans have done most of the work to really kill the middle class and the nuclear family itself. I'm confused as to why people don't mention this.
Because republicucks are good at packaging themselves as "against da commies" so to "own da libz" rednecks vote for things that goes against their self interests

>>150020636
Walt was a piece of shit for a variety of things but even his content that wasnt as overly gynocentric as the renaissance era stuff was, was still too tame and sanitized for most boys to get into. I never liked any disney "classics" growing up and only liked newer things that had appeal to a young boy like me such as lilo and stitch or treasure planet or pirates of the carribean

>>150006739 (OP)
They know goddamn well what the answer is but they're refusing to admit it.

A non-inclusive list of things that boys think are cool: Adventure, guns, heroics, beer, gunfights, fistfights, dinosaurs, war, boats, cops, superpowers, criminals, magic, cavemen, explosions, swordfights, hot girls, cute girls, dragons, bounty hunters, demons, zombies, samurai, knights, soldiers, nazis, cowboys, superheroes, ships, spaceships, lasers, ninjas, martial arts, power tools, baseball, football, cool cars, trucks, heavy machinery, money, pirates, vikings, treasure, aliens, vampires, werewolves, robots, rock music, pro wrestling, revenge, fart jokes, heroic deaths, cool outfits, mechs, chase scenes, monsters, giant monsters, dogs, armor, mechs, buff dudes.

It would take like five minutes to throw darts at this list until you land on a workable concept and then maybe a day to turn it into a more refined pitch and whatever fever dream you end up with would still get more male attention than Disney's last decade of output.

>>150024192
I think they're probably going to move on to molesting the Old Republic era next. The KotOR remasters are going to bring more attention to the period and they'll want to capitalize on that.

>>150024192
I agree. It makes absolutely no sense, it would confuse people now. But imagine how much of a clusterfuck it would be years down the line looking back without knowing why or how it happened. It just completely nukes any semblance of clarity.

The Sequel Trilogy luckily is so meaningless and worthless and added nothing at all, that it can easily be ignored. It sucks that it takes down the Post OT era in doing so, but it at least set up nothing at all after IX so it's very easy to just make movies later in the timeline that disregard the ST ever happened.

The Acolyte was probably a test run for them to see if they could get interest in something that wasn't just Clone Wars or Original Trilogy era stuff. A new era on screen for the first time. They cancelled it so quickly though that it means they probably are even less likely to make a movie set in a different time period. They are so afraid of failure that it's basically impossible for them to ever achieve anything anymore. After TLJ's backlash, all they ever do is immediately respond to fan criticisms but never actually learn from them. So nothing ever actually develops from it. They just make safer and safer non-commital stuff with no real vision behind them.
That and the endless list of movies that get announced and never release.
I don't know how anyone could possibly have any faith in the brand improving under Disney at this point.

>>150024224
I think the problem is there's no one who can realistically take her place. Regardless of how much she turbofucked Star Wars and LucasFilm, it doesn't change her history in the industry. There's few people that have her credentials to fill the huge position she's in. Kevin Feige is probably the only one, and while he could move to LF from Marvel after Secret Wars is out... I don't know if Disney would have confidence anymore in him either after the way the MCU is fizzling out.

>>150021648
I love horror movies and porn and thats why i want more horror or violent action centered animation with big 2D tit shots and blood and guts and everything nasty and awesome!

The blue hairs in charge of american animation currently would never allow it tho sadly enough

Those 9 years olds are just too conservative to watch Primos. They only watch Cartoon Cat vs Jason Vorhees, Slenderman, Michael, IT Pennywise.... because Matt Walsh told them to

>>150024313
>KOTOR shit
And ill nope out of star wars even more then. I was always a movie fag i never played the games much outside of lego star wars and battlefront as a kid and i always found old republic shit to be overrated as hell
>>150024338
The acolyte was shit but i think i agree with what you're saying about proving ground with a new era. I want to see the post sequel era so long as its not focused on thst cunt rey again.
>I think the problem is there's no one who can realistically take her place. Regardless of how much she turbofucked Star Wars and LucasFilm, it doesn't change her history in the industry. There's few people that have her credentials to fill the huge position she's in.
That reminds me of a rumor i heard a few years back that the reason why they didnt fire KK was becuase no one wanted her job to fill her void because they didnt want the baggage of unfucking her mess up and didnt want the responsibility of making new star wars and pressure of being under fire like she was if they fucked up. Its really sad that awful people who do an awful job at their jobs get to keep staying in and fucking things over just because they can take the pressure of constantly being told to kill themselves by millions online. Makes me think thats why WB keeps not firing david zaslav.

>>150024372
My nigga jeff the killer with the horror GODS freddy and michal myers and jason. Im happy for him

>>150006739 (OP)
There are good stories everywhere, but people can't tolerate Disney injecting gays parents, woke, menstrual pads, Female-to-Male trans, and new-pronouns in series and movies.
This is the result of narrative structure falling if writers use mass media for Self-Therapy

>>150024513
Facts.

i mean, look at this piece of Shit.

>>150006870
Robot and Kid looks like a boring show but I wanna fuck that robot.

>>150024513
>>150024613
After so many years of this discourse at a certain point if you get so bothered by gays existing in media then you just need to get over it and stop being so triggered by it as badly as you guys do
>inb4 "durr stop telling us to ignore it"
Yes, literally ignore it. Because if its otherwise good content that you trivially discredit for having one or two gays in it you are only playing yourself. People are way too hypersensitive about any type of representation or anything they consider "woke" now its ridiculous

>>150024192
>I think people who want to decanonize the sequels are nuts but disney is shooting themselves even further by not swallowing their pride and admitting that they fucked up.
I don't expect to come out and fall on the blade. But just quietly fix shit, pretend it was their plan all along and we can move on with our lives.

>>150024338
>>The Acolyte
I'm a woke faggot and this show is so insanely bad. All the dialogue is intrigue-less mystery exposition. The idea that there is more to the force than Sith and Jedi is so needed, but The Witches have no clear distinguishing features. Their rituals are flavorless and the way they use the force doesn't actually feel unique. I'm just astounded that nobody in hollywood can fucking read a script and tell that it sucks.
The fact that it's the first fresh idea Disney Wars had will be the nail in the coffin. Andor shows how bad they squandered the potential, Acolyte is the mess they made.
The last egg they have is a Mando movie coming out almost a decade after nobody watched season 3.
>>150024372
I was also watching a lot of flash cartoons as a kid in 2009. It's not an indicator of anything.

>>150006739 (OP)
Dinosaur shouldn't exist.

>>150024834
It indicates that children's tastes have not changed since 2009

>>150024834
The witches are just really bad stand in for the feminist matriarch shit the lesbian writer believes in. They werent even cool like the nightsisters were in TCW because at least the nightsisters were metal as fuck and hot
>The fact that it's the first fresh idea Disney Wars had will be the nail in the coffin. Andor shows how bad they squandered the potential, Acolyte is the mess they made.
Andor sucked even worse then acoylte because at least with acoylte even normies reviled it but normies were tricked like the sheep that they are into thinking andor was good and not calling it out as the pretentious slop that it is

>>150024831
Retconning the sequels wouldnt fix star wars but the main issue with the sequels is that disney isnt properly ashamed of them enough yet. I think in part because KK views them as her legacy and disney spent like a billion iirc on galaxys edge and its set around the sequel era. I only went to disneyworld once when in 2009 when i was a kid so im not a park fanatic like some others are but i cant conceive why they did something as stupid as base their billion dollar star wars park exclusively around the new movies.

>>150018222
>>150024872
I havent seen dinosaur since i was a kid. Was it really that bad?

>>150006739 (OP)
the main problem is girlbosses, white men always being written as weak, stupid and incompetent to make women and minorites look strong and smart and white men never getting to be cool, powerful and masculine heroes anymore who beat up the bad guys and rescue the girl

>>150006764
When 99% of those "already told" stories were shit there's no real problem into trying to improve their pitches.

>>150006870
>my pitch? a bing.com picture from my epic unique set of keywords!
good morning young sir

>>150025404
You're just mad that you didn't create Swamp Beats

>>150024886
I wanna put it in her jed eye

>>150006739 (OP)
I don't actually want the current 'people' touching any of those old movies. Disappointed by one too many remakes and 'revivals' that sucked ass. They have neither the talent nor the desire to be storytellers. The sequel to Atlantis was not as good and you know it, can you imagine how fucking stupid a remake of it made today will be? 'Adapters' don't respect the source material 95% of the time, they don't understand their job is to adapt and not diverge from the source material.

>>150006739 (OP)
What do we get expect from this?

>>150024372
>Gen Z
>9 year olds
Why do so many of the retards here not understand what gen z is?
YOU are gen z you retard.

>>150024810
>you just need to get over it
They did.
Their idea of getting over it is just not watching it.
Hence why we're having this discussion to begin with.
This is the end result of a decade of saying "if you don't like it, don't watch it," and thinking people wouldn't take your advice.

>>150027257
Yeah don't worry about the Disney channel, they have gen alpha covered

>>150027347
Yes, they've also lost gen alpha, I agree.
But the OP isn't about that, it's about Disney trying to win back gen z males, which means young men, not little boys.
They've basically lost the last 30 years of the male audience by buying things young men historically liked and trying to turn them into properties for girls.

>>150027309
>Their idea of getting over it is just not watching it.
>This is the end result of a decade of saying "if you don't like it, don't watch it," and thinking people wouldn't take your advice.
Im glad people dont watch shit like the disney star wars shows anymore. They fucking suck now. But the people who get outrageously pissed about a gay couple in a show or some other matter thats considered woke to them are fucking unhinged and ludicrous. Lightyear sucked because it was trying to be some shitty "muh grounded realism sci fi" schlock rather then some pulpy buck rodgers inspired adventure, but according to alot of retards online the real reasons why it sucked arent for the real issues with the movie, but rather it was bad because of a two second lesbian kiss. People like that hate these things for the wrong reasons and muddle genuine criticism for knee jerk reactionary stupidity instead. They need to get over getting offended like a snowflake over seeing a couple brown or gay characters in media and if its bad then shit on the content for its genuine issues and not try to claim its bad because "durr hurr it had a black girl character in it".

>>150027347
What caused this general collapse for these channels?

>>150027449
You, personally, grew up and since you subconsciously control the universe the viewership stats declined.

>>150027449
I did

>>150027446
It doesn't matter because they're taking your advice.
When they bitch about this stuff, they just don't watch it, and that bitching is them signalling that they're not going to watch it.
This is literally what you wanted.
Not my problem personally since I rarely watch cartoons these days anyways, but you are literally getting what you spent a decade asking for.

>>150027347
That is fucking frightening to see
>>150027392
>They've basically lost the last 30 years of the male audience by buying things young men historically liked and trying to turn them into properties for girls.
I thought buying star wars and marvel would force disney to "man up" if you will and drop their gynocentric brand image but they are clinging to that shit for dear life no matter how much it ruins them. I dont know why the heads of disney would waste billions in order to not be thought of as the company with princess shit for little girls
>>150027449
People want to exclusively blame streaming but a decline in quality of the cartoons they were making im positive also contributed to their decline. Disney channel was the last one to have decent cartoons before they cancelled them all for more povenmire schlock. Cartoon network has been doubling down on soft toothless inoffensive shit since 2018 and been trying to infantilize its content since then and it basically killed them as a result

>>150027517
what a terrible time to get back into cartoons

>>150027512
I literally said im glad people dont watch stuff thats bad like disney star wars or lightyear, my issue is that the reasoning on why some people dont watch certain shows even if theyre good is retarded culture war outrage reasons and they need to get over that so they can more accurately critique the actual bad content and not miss out and discard good shows just for trivial frivolous reasons.

>>150027517
Honestly, this isn't even just a Disney problem, the entirety of western media has basically been telling young men to eat shit and fuck off, and I don't think anything is going to bring young men back at this point since it's going to be obvious that the corpos are only "changing" because they're worried they won't have access to young men's money anymore.

>>150027569
anime industry is dead too

my only hope is China

>>150027543
Are you seriously getting back into cartoons right now lmfao? Animations been in a nose dive for about a decade but it exacerbated shortly after covid. The animation industry barely even wants to make any shows anymore and what little they do either
A. Gets cancelled after 1 season
B. Takes several years in between seasons. Or
C. Is all infantilized toddler shit. Which unfortunately for whatever reason is the bulk of animated content being produced currently

I have absolutely no idea why streaming doesnt capitalize in the lack of animated shows and pick up more since cable is dropping the medium

>>150006739 (OP)
Duck Tales film where Scrooge takes Donald and the boys on an adventure to nab the one treasure he failed to grab in his youth days- antagonist of the film is named Baron Bloodbill and is a thorn in the ducks side trying to get to the treasure before Scrooge.

Boom, simple fun action packed and has Donald Duck in it, ez money

>>150027449
The world may never know

>>150027593
Guess I'm just going to re-watch the cartoons from the 90s/ 00s that I grew up on.

>>150027584
Chinese media is irrelevant outside of gacha games.
What's really happening is that we're leaving the era of endless growth, and the only industries that will survive are the ones that accept that growth is not endless and there are so many people you can get to pay for your product, so soon the only stuff that will be around will be the stuff that appeals to people who are actually willing/able to pay, while everything else will be endless AIslop.

>>150027613
You think this is going to appeal to young men?
Do you not know what "young man" entails?

>>150027569
Disney is worse at it then other companies but i still agree with you. Disney has ALWAYS been primarily a company for little girls, thats what its been known for for most of its existence up to this point. But why companies like even WB has been so hostile to men audiences is insane to me because its the equivalent to that scene in the dark knight burning that mountain of cash. The real issue is that too many genuine man haters for whatever reason entered the entertainment industry at the same time in the mid 2010s and society took a nosedive as a result.

>>150027632
I don't want to watch a cartoon about someone the same age as me doing cool stuff. That'll make me feel like a failure.

>>150007187
The more time that passed in Japan from the bombings the worse their art got, same thing with American moving past slavery reconstruction civil rights Vietnam 9/11- these new generation of writers have zero struggle and the countries that do aren’t focused on making cartoons

>>150027659
Anime peaked in the 80s and 90s and that was half a decade after he rice fryer incidents

>>150027654
Okay, but that's because you're a low-functioning autist, your average young man doesn't look at John Wick or something and get depressed because he's not a badass ex-assassin going out shooting lots of people and kicking ass.

>>150007299
>>150007307
Nice compact story, real old school feeling.

You’re right in thinking they’d never go for it, but if you can, don’t be shy in working out a full script and selling it

>>150027672
cartoons peaked in the 00s and 10s

>>150027632
It’ll appeal to all age- young men are bandwagoners they’ll flock to whatever’s hot, Donald Duck dodging ar15 bullets is a cool visual

>>150027690
>cartoons peaked in the 00s and early 10s
FTFY
Past 2015 the industry decayed and further as the years went on and produced shittier and shittier shows like summer camp island or we bare bears and whatever good shows came out in that time period got cancelled too quickly usually like OK K.O. or The Owl House.

>>150027659
What a retarded mindset

>>150027834
It’s true the best art usually comes from pain or real life experience- most of these dudes writing now don’t have it, they’re either nepobabies or haven’t endured a nationwide or global crisis/ but this current gen went through covid so maybe when they finally get their foot in the door we’ll start seeing some good stuff.

The backwoods zoomer is already a good sign

>>150023547
This. It would be funny as hell if they did another trilogy set like 100 years after Return of the Jedi, and don't mention a single character or plot detail from the sequels. Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe Dameron, Rose, blue milk, casino planet, sjw admiral, Snoke, none of them ever existed.

Disney's already pretty much ignoring the sequels since everything they've made since takes place during or slightly after the original trilogy and before the sequels, or before the prequels even with the Acolyte. So it's not like anyone would even care if they erased all that shit. Maybe some tumblr women who drew yaoi of Kylo or male feminists and white knights who feel they have to defend women at all costs would complain, but who gives a shit about those types. Everybody's fucking sick of those kinds of people at this point.

>>150027614
I hate how CNs legacy from now on will just be that once cool channel that decayed into being a toddler network and then died quietly
>>150027622
Theres some gems in the 2010s era but even back then there was alot of bad ones too or alot of shows that started out great which eventually turned to shit such as star vs the forces of evil or adventure time.

>>150027783
>young men are bandwagoners they’ll flock to whatever’s hot
Mmm, no.
And Donald Duck is not hot.
Again, low-functioning autism.

>>150027893
You dont need shit time periods in order to create art but i agree to a degree since alot of good comedy for instance comes from pain
>The backwoods zoomer is already a good sign
I dont know what that is

>>150027822
>The Owl House
>Good show
This is another thing, the few young males into cartoons have horrid taste or are yurifags, who tend to be hated by other young men.
It results in a neverending downward spiral where you can no longer attract the young male audience because every aspect of your industry is tailor-made to repulse them.

>>150027985
>This is another thing, the few young males into cartoons have horrid taste or are yurifags, who tend to be hated by other young men.
>It results in a neverending downward spiral where you can no longer attract the young male audience because every aspect of your industry is tailor-made to repulse them.
Or maybe these young men you speak of are too selective about media because they have shit taste

>>150028006
ywnbaw

>>150028006
No, your taste sucks, people like you are why young men avoid cartoons like the plague, your low-functioning autism is a red flag that whatever you like almost assuredly sucks ass.

>>150027902
>sjw admiral
Kek

Vice admiral gender studies is my single most hated star wars character. She was even more of a stuck up cunt then rey ever wishes she could be. Fuck laura dern and fuck rian johnson for wasting 30 min of that horrendous movie on a fucking mansplanning subplot

>>150028031
Nah more like zoomer men who hate actually good cartoons like TOH have shit taste and are retards whod rather play gacha slop like the generic failures they are. As much as feminist women ruiend alot about media and society, men who went too far in the other direction to be contrarian to them also fucked over the world too.

>>150027985
Based Chad Anon laying down the brutal truth as it is. Owl House is objectively dogshit. It didn't take long for Disney to cancel that shit show from ever airing on their network again.

>>150028106
kill yourself tribefaggot

>>150028072
Owl House will never be as good As Litle Witch Academia or eveb Jake Long Western Dragon and you know it.

It will allways be a shamefull waste of potential.

>>150028072
>actually good cartoons like TOH
Again, horrid taste, this is why cartoons will never have an audience among gen z besides low-functioning autists.
I'm glad the things you like are dying, you've destroyed culture with your dogshit taste.

>>150028117
Uh-oh looks like this owl house troon is having xhis first dilating period on his axe wound kek

>>150028129
LWA was only good in the original two specials and jake long looked bad so i never watched it

TOH is more popular then both online too so seethe about it, bitch
>>150028130
Nah the overly critical neckbeards have shit taste if they wrongfully hate on TOH while enjoying slop vidya isekai anime shit instead. Fuck you

>>150028144
I wish people would stop talking about dilation. The overwhelming majority of troons, including basically all autogynephiles, have zero desire to get rid of their cocks and balls. It's more degrading to remind them of this than to harp on the relative few who are willing to give something up.

>TOH is more popular
>source: my ass
Meanwhile in reality. Disney is so based.

>>150028158
I'm glad everything you like is dying, you can die alongside the annoying millennial Karens making the dogshit you enjoy.
Thank god gen z hates your guts.

>>150028190
Shitsney is cancer and cancelled your darling show amphibia too you hypocritical little shitposting bitch

>>150028207
Enjoy all the toddler slop youre getting from here on out then! Because you bitched and whined endlessly about good cartoons now companies only want to make baby shit cartoons if anything at all now. Shitheads like you should Kill yourself for ruining society

>>150028226
>Enjoy all the toddler slop youre getting from here on out then
Not my problem, I don't watch it.
Just knowing you're suffering for your shit taste is good enough for me.
Hopefully you kill yourself.

>>150024338
>>150024431
>>150024834
>>150024886
That's the thing with the Acolyte. The showrunner is a lesbian and the only selling point she and Disney focused on was black women and lesbians. That's all Disney fucking cares to market about these days. They're incapable of making an honest Star Wars show or movie because they'll hire a woman or a gay showrunner or the main character will be a woman or gay and that's all the fucking marketing will focus on. Disney can't fucking help themselves. I'm not even saying they need to cast only straight white men or whatever, but you know Disney's going to want the cast to be multiracial and at least half women, then it's "Here's our new Star Wars show about women Jedi who get shit done and don't need a man! Also they're gay and black too! Watch our show chud!"

>>150028257
>Hopefully you kill yourself.
And i hope your mother gets raped by a gang of bikers. But we cant all get what we want : )

>>150028213
Owltranny got xir's axe wound buckbroken wide open xhe is now overdosing on xhis military grade delusional copium lel

>>150028226
You don't realize that to us, the suit you consider "good" is on the same level as the baby shit you hate.
As such, it makes no difference which is made, to us.
This is why you can't attract young men, you don't understand men outside of yourself, and you're a faggot.

Why don't the Kiff, Big City Greens, StuGo, or Primos fans ever fight like you two.

>>150028275
>You don't realize that to us, the suit you consider "good" is on the same level as the baby shit you hate.
Then you have chronic shit taste if you cant tell the difference between a quality show and toddler garbage, and should have your shit taste and shit opinions beaten out of you with a baseball bat

>>150028302
It's not a quality show, you're just autistic and/or a yurifag, which means you're also probably autistic.
As I am neither, I don't like a show whose only appeal is yuri and autism.

>>150027449
Streaming and youtube. Lot of people don't have cable any more so kids just watch stuff online.

>>150028265
>The showrunner is a lesbian
Isn't the showrunner bisexual? And also procured women for Harvey Weinstein?

>>150024613
What is this from?

>>150006870
Nah. The style look to Canadian Cal-Artish. I would rejected it.

>>150028317
Filtered

>>150028396
Like the rest of the male audience, which you will never be able to capture.

This thread has devolved into
>Chuggington is an underappreciated masterpiece and rightwing contrarian incels just can't appreciate real art. Only low functioning tranny autists watch Jungle Junction.

>based /co/ is ganging up on that owl house tard schizo and his shitty cartoon
You love to see it.
Ahem *clears throat* *mic check*
This is to /co/chads and my homies the froggas

Owlfaggots iffy uh
Owltroonies be seething yuh
Shitty Owl show got canceled yuh

Froooog gaaaaang

>>150027638
>The real issue is that too many genuine man haters for whatever reason entered the entertainment industry at the same time in the mid 2010s
A lot of that is millennial women I think. Tumblr started getting really popular and having insane anti-men takes around that time. Like a woman saying if she had a son she'd cut off his penis and raise him as a daughter. But I wonder if zoomer women are batshit insane anti-men as well. They'll start coming into the industry within the next decade I suppose, but will they have this weird mentality as well or will they go back to the more harmless gurl power stuff of the 90s like Powerpuff Girls?

>>150028501
Congratulations, your retardation has just made me learn to hate amphibia all together. Thanks alot

>>150028351
I thought she was a lesbian.

>>150028529
Damn dawg, let me find my case of "like I give a fuck" that I put next to the Owl House season three.

>>150028549
She is a lesbian, that guy is just coping.
She literally has a wife, who she gave a major role in the show despite the fact that she can't act.

>>150028158

Solo Leveling is also popular. That doesn´t make it good now. Does it?

Besides. LWA explored it´s characters, it´s setting, implemented their mechanics in a satisfying way, and even mantained their characters consistent and well developed.

And don´t get me wrong. I hate Owl Hosue as much as I hate issekais.

Owl Hhouse is what SAO is to anime. he power fantasy for outcasts of each society to grow stronger and cooler and being loved by everyone by little efforts, being too close to heircomfort zones to exploretheir fantasy settings, and sets a bad precedent for what it scapism means.

On the moment I´m watching Batman TAS, Avengers Earth´s Mughty Heroes, DanDaDan, Sakamoto Days, One Piece, SAilor Moon and Vinland Saga.

Nad I plan to watch more cartoons and anime, so I can not only become a whole man, who can learn about narrative and storytelling by learning about how some shows succeeded or learning in the failures of others.

But also to propperly hate.

I want to be an Apex Class hater.

>>150028573
I hope you get brain cancer for shitting up this board the way you have. Go fuck yourself frogshitter
>>150028577
>She literally has a wife, who she gave a major role in the show despite the fact that she can't act.
That was embarrassing as fuck lmfao

>>150027593
Baby stuff is cheap to make and easy to market. Look at Paw Patrol and Bluey. Studios just want easy, guaranteed revenue flow rather than taking a chance on another beanmouth muh deep lore generational trauma therapy session.

>>150028594
The owl house is actually imaginative with its settings and designs and has better characters then isekai slop. Also dont expect to lecture me about taste when youre watching dogshit like sakamoto days

>>150024431
If Lucas was still in charge, that one stormtrooper would be a major character by this point.

He would have plenty of comics and cartoon appereances.

>>150028607
But no one outside of literal shitting toddlers and mentally stunted retards watch the baby stuff. And even the toddlers (the normal ones anyways) age out of that crap after like two years

>>150028625
Not really, I have never met a male who thinks TOH is good who is not just a yurifag.

>>150028634
>But no one outside of literal shitting toddlers and mentally stunted retards watch the baby stuff
Anon, I hate to tell you this, but that applies to pretty much all kid's cartoons.

>>150028626
>If Lucas was still in charge, that one stormtrooper would be a major character by this point.
>He would have plenty of comics and cartoon appereances.
And that wouldve been a good things because all the media starring TR-8R would've been better then more reylo cancer

>>150024810
The same book that page came from actually mentions that. They say to make gays so omnipresent in media that people stop caring.

>>150028361
After the Fall. Really good.
Im not that anon, but I was the one that screnshoted that page.

>>150028637
I dont care about what most men my age think because their shit taste clouds them into thinking modern anime and vidya schlock is high art
>>150028655
And yet regular cartoons before the toddler spam started garnered an audience while when CN started making only baby shit all their audience went away. Interesting

>>150028696
>I dont care about what most men my age think
Then why are you bitching about Disney not appealing to them?
Stick to your gay Disneyslop like usual and accept that you're an irrelevant market.

>>150028688
>They say to make gays so omnipresent in media that people stop caring.
And they should, anyone who gets so assravaged by gays existing in media or otherwise is a scum sucking bottom feeder

>>150028634
There's always going to be new toddlers coming up to replace those ones aging out. And as long as the shows remain cheap and have lots of little toys and stuff to make merch of, those baby shows will stick around for a long time.

>>150028708
>Then why are you bitching about Disney not appealing to them?
Because most of disneys output is pure shit. But whenever a actually decent cartoon comes out idiots ignore it for pedantic reasons and contribute to the issue by not watching it because of their bias and shit taste in preferring garbage content like lets plays streamers or trash modern anime. Both sides can be fucking wrong and stupid, anon
>Stick to your gay Disneyslop like usual and accept that you're an irrelevant market.
Stop contributing to cancer media and people wouldnt call you a bitch for it

>>150028597
I just hired two niggas to scour the desert using a comically giant comb looking for my fucks to give, hours later they still can't find shit. I even let them know beforehand if the two niggas that I hired can see any life signs of the Owl House. Fortunately, they told me that they've only discovered a pile of owl shit rotting in the desert sand, that does speaks volumes of the state of the owl flop house, thougheverbeit.

>>150028737
And yet audiences keep falling away because no one watched that baby shit. CN is literally dead because they put all their eggs in the preschool channel basket in a time period where birth rates are declining and now they are at deaths door. You are fucking stupid as anything for trying to justify this shit

>>150028501


....

Amphibia is overrated too... the fact there´s this gathering from the Amphibia fanbase, it´s a testamente for how neglected we have been left from Disney and the other companies.

How long are you guys going ot sustain the 2010´s Cartoon fandom craze? Does it worth it because Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball came before them too?

Because to me Gentlemen... I don´t think this Empire can last any longer.

We can foudn endless entertainment and joy, looking into the past. Because at this point, the past and the memories of better times can give us the comfort and stillness that we can´t find in the present.

>>150028743
Modern anime is pretty good.

>>150028761
I hope matt braly chokes on a bag of dicks and you kill yourself after the news breaks. The fact that mods dont permaban your spamming ass is proof this shit board is beyond redemption.

>>150028774
>Modern anime is pretty good.

>>150028771
Who's justifying any of this stuff? I don't watch preschool cartoons. I'm just telling you why studios focus on them over shows for older kids or adults. Cartoon Network is dead because kids don't watch cable any more, but those baby shows they do show are still cheaper than making another Steven Universe.

>>150028835
No one watches that baby shit and trying to force it down everyones throats while canceling all the good shows is why audiences stopped watching cartoons. They're either extremely dense or intentionally trying to kill their business by marketing exclusively to failed abortions.

>>150028801
>I hope Ma-ACKKKK! *Owl House gets canceled due to low ratings and no one gives a shit about this troonslop exists*
EL EM AYY OH

>>150028696
Anon, CN's audience was going to go away no matter what, because the audience for cable is going away.
They fucked up their streaming, but even that probably wouldn't have helped save them even if they hadn't.
What part of "you have spent a generation turning away all but the most autistic" do you not understand?
They spend the entire 2010s pandering to people like you, which turned away most other men who are not like you as well as most kids, so there isn't really anything they can do to stop this death spiral.
Cartoons had a good thing going and they dumped it all down the drain to appeal to tumblr.

>>150028419
And i look forward to when those basement dwelling audience with shit taste who cant appreciate good cartoons to die alone of an heart attack in their mid 30s because they couldnt stop drinking mtn dew and playing fortnite so a blood clout forms in their leg and stops their heart.

>>150028625

TMS Entertainment is competent for what it is. I can dislikethe voice acting, how some characters can act too exagerated to their Manga counterparts, and I can smeel the Cheapness in the production for hoow too well edited it is to hide their short animation reels (We have nice fighting flow, then cut to a close shot of a character dodgin an atack, then slow motion to see into their inner monologue. FOr Instance)

But that doesn´t mak it bad. Just decent. Undereserving from Sakamoto days, but it is what it is.

Besides, while true, Little Witch Acadmia and Frieren have better worldbuilding than Owl House.

Owl House can invent new beasts and a city built on a Giant´s skeleton, but the show can only know hot o tease at Harry Potter, poke fun at Fairy Tale tropes, and time to time some original and nice conepts only to followed by lack luster ideas Bellos himself (Just a punching bag for Christian white guys.)

LWA and Frieren meanwhile know that they operate under Celtic folklore and Classic RPG worlds, and not only the former can make tribute to said elements, but the latter even can reinvent them (case in point, Mages and Demons).

So no. Owl House has potential, but it´s not enought.

>>150028817
What you mean? I got Dungeon Meshi, Chainsaw Man, Frieren, Pluto , Dandandan, Spy x Family, Kaguya-sama, Mob Psycho , Golden Kamuy, Vinland Saga ....

You know, variety in genres and stories.

>>150028743
>whenever a actually decent cartoon
Considering your taste, your idea of decent just isn't most men's idea.
You don't seem to realize that.
Deal with the fact that you're out of touch.

>>150028906
>Anon, CN's audience was going to go away no matter what, because the audience for cable is going away.
Wrong, ratings wouldnt have nose dived if they didnt double down on toddler slop. Ill agree they fucked up streaming tho but the issue is also that any man that hated a good show because "muh gayz" needs to fucking die for being filtered so easily and ruining the industry because machismo autism

>>150028922
Bro, if anyone is going to die alone it's you, likely when your aging parents can no longer afford to take care of your autistic ass.

>>150028962
Or those men who avoid gay stuff will just continue to do so while you seethe.
Throwing an autistic fit sure as shit isn't going to change those men's minds, if anything it'll only help justify their decision.

>>150028944
What about anime fromfew years ago like 2019 to 2024?

>>150028943
Even owl house tranny dickriders sound like a mumbling retard ROFLMAO

Speak up, inbred. You're slurring like an actual mentally handicapped dumbass. We got ourselves the more retarded version of Lennie from Of Mice and Men over here.

>>150028943
TOH had actually interesting designs and was fun and funny at times while the most for your weeb slop is
>LWA and Frieren meanwhile know that they operate under Classic RPG worlds
If you think aping vidya slime is a positive then youre beyond help
>>150028944
>I got Dungeon Meshi,
You mean the "SQUEE GHIBLI FOOD LOOKS SO GOOD" anime? How cringe
>>150028945
>Considering your taste, your idea of decent just isn't most men's idea.
Then they are retarded, have no taste, and wrong

>>150028998
Anon, almost all of those shows he mentioned are from 2019-2024.

>>150028906

Man... And now all we have left is Teen Titans Go...

>>150028964
Have fun dying of heart disease while clutching a hatsune miku plushie you weeb subhuman
>>150028993
And being a bunch of close minded retards will ensure theyll off themselves because no one liked their unwashed weeb assess lmfao

>NEW PHINEAS AND FERB
>NEW KIFF
>NEW BIG CITY GREEN
>NEW STUGO
>ENDLESS GRAVITY FALLS RERUNS FOREVER
what more does the Disney Channel need?

>>150029045
>more povenmire shit and sneed shit
>only really good show on there is stugo and its cancelled
And this is why no one watches DTVA anymore

>>150029006

Dude. What the fuck?! I hate Owl House as much as you, and yet you slander me over FUCKING TYPOS!

Are you out of your mind?!

>>150029043
>And being a bunch of close minded retards
Ahh, so you really are just an SJW mad that you're losing relevance.
I'm glad you're losing out culturally, here's to more seething for you over the next decade as you continue to lose.

>>150028998
All of those shows are drom 19-24, most are frm the 20s or still running.

>>150029013
>You mean the "SQUEE GHIBLI FOOD LOOKS SO GOOD" anime? How cringe
Dungeon Meshi's worldbuilding far excels toh lol.
Do you even have an argument against it, or all the others I mentioned?

>>150024431
Fun Fact: TR-8R only exists because they couldn’t get Phasma’s actress on set for that scene, so they made an entirely different character to replace her, and killed him just as quickly.

I'm watching DisneyXD right now. When the hell did they steal Beyblade from Cartoon Network?

>>150029080
I hate feminism and mentally ill bitches like them but i hate what the MRA has morphed into and you rightoid scum are just as toxic now. Fuck you

>>150006739 (OP)
Reminder that Matt Braly thinks this is a bad thing.

The party is over. Time to banana split out of my club!

>>150029081
Dungeon meshinis just retarded food porn and basic bitch formulaic weeb fantasy dressing. You are no one to criticize me for what i watch when you unironically enjoy that cringe cancer
>>150029089
Around 2016 i think

>>150029091
>I hate feminism and mentally ill bitches like them
But that's just because you're gay, not for any real meaningful reasons.
Again, I look forward to your continued autistic seething.

>>150029123
>durr your reasons for hating them arent meaningful because i dont like you
I hate them for alot of the same reasons you hate feminists, thing is im not as brain rotted by culture war shit to be blind to the issues with both sides you underdeveloped toad stool

>>150029013

>Doesn´t get it.

Dude. I was Showcasing the original designs for the mosnters on the Boiling Isles, and the different concpets like the Palismans, the different powers that each Coven can offer, the Curse of Eda, the Collector and else. Doesn´t redeem the show.

Think of this.

Owl House has tehe kitchen of Gordon Ramsey along with his cooking book. They can use all the differnet concepts they have at disposal to make something deliscious and amazing, yet they just end up making comfort food and Californian slop.

Meanwhile LWA hasmore limited ingredient,s a smaller kitchenand even fewer knives and materials.

And what do they do? they use what they have, in their favour.

That´s why I said Frieren instead of playing straight with it´s Third Edition Dungeons and Dragons setting, it rathers reinvents itself giving new twists that makes the world more unique.


Do you get it now?

>>150028047
All Laura Dern did was play a shitty character. She doesn't deserve any hate. Rian Johnson can go fuck himself though, him and JJ Abrams both.

>>150029167
Wrong, freirein is just generic looking and therefore shit and is as unimaginative as all modern anime aping tolkien fantasy and badly at that. LWA was good in its specials but the writing on the show was cancer. TOH was still more enjoyable then any of your modern weeb cancer

>>150029160
No, you hate them because you're gay.
I hate you because what you like sucks, you just think I hate it because it's gay.
You also hate the things I like while knowing zero about them, so I have no interest in engaging with what you like because you're autistic.
Nothing has turned me off from cartoons more than the autism of people who watch them, the more autistic the fan base the less likely I am to watch the show, and I've missed out on nothing because I'm not autistic, and as such wouldn't enjoy these things anyways.

>>150029028
Only CN original left is we baby bears. What a sour note to end their empire on

>>150029081

Fuck! Considering Dungeon Meshii is practically inspired by the original edition of WIzardry, leaves Owl House in amore humilliating place. With practically a pre stablished setting, Dungeon Meshii exploits it´s setting (specifically the Dungeon) to it´s best, giving it more depht and detail that the Boiling Isles never will have.

And THAT is true skill.

>>150029214
>No, you hate them because you're gay.
I hate them because they hate me for being a man
>I hate you because what you like sucks, you just think I hate it because it's gay.
Then youre not a bigot so much as a shit taste faggot then, got it
>and I've missed out on nothing because I'm not autistic
Says the isekai lover

>>150029252
Your anime food porn show will never be anything more then filler made for idiots who jerk off to the food network

>>150029212

>s just generic looking and therefore shit and is as unimaginative as all modern anime aping tolkien fantasy

People who can´t recognize Tolkien´s style beyond "Muh Elves, Dwarves and Orcs" are the only ones who say this shit.

Don´t you fucking smeer me into japanese generic fantasy slop. I´ve seen too many Issekai to know how that shit works.

Those Issekai only treat their world like a videogame to the point of applying pop up screens and effect states. They treat their worlds as mere videogames.

And could you kindly elaborate how the serialized show of LWA is "cancer"?