Thread 76558613

>Who is /fat/ for?
For eaters turned exercisers working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
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>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/

Previous thread: >>76556309

>>76558613 (OP)
Unlimited calorie keto:
>works best
>most sustainable
>delicious
>easy

Restricted calorie with carbs:
>doesn't work
>not sustainable
>disgusting
>tedious

Choose wisely.

>>76558633
Thoughts on deficit Keto?

0 muscles never worked out a day in my life, can't even give a pushup. I have 15lb dumbells and a shitty apartment what can I do to get enough muscles so that I can start one of the programs in sticky one day.

should I use this for strechmarks?

I did not eat burrito last thread, Im still hungry...

>using new tracking app
>somehow switched the "Calories Eaten" vs "Calories Left" numbers while reading and accidentally ate 300 cal over my daily allowance
It's over. I can't recover from this

>>76558644
you don't need fiber
I shit you not
after your body gets used to it your shits will stabilize without fiber and you'll be shitting once a day, no diarrhea

>>76558641
Works fine and after you reach your goal weight you can eat ad libitum keto for long term maintenance.

A potential problem is that if you're consciously restricting you will be hungry. If you exceed your calorie goal due to hunger it might make you feel like you failed. And if you fail in one regard (calorie goal) it may psychologically feel like failing in the most important way (avoiding carbs) is not much worse.

Just make sure you prioritize carb avoidance.

Is Cronometer full of shit? Supposedly half a breast and two drumsticks from a rotisserie chicken with the skin eaten is only 596 calories. I don’t believe that.

>>76558685
>giving that thing 1200 calories
brutal

>>76558651
curls, lateral raises, every other day until you can do 100 of one and 50 of the other.
>>76558688
seems right, 150+200+200 would be my calculation

>>76558633
You can cut your own way
>cut your own way

Welp I ate 300 unplanned calories over my 1200 deficit. Also didn’t walk at all today. Feel like a fat cunt. ;(

>>76558666
I'm also hungry
And it's a fast day

Fatty Contest
FastFattyFast
101.3kg
194cm

Just a bit over 10kg to my goal this time. Started at around 106kg, even this small amount of weight lost has made my pants feel so much better around me.

>fasting
Lmao

>>76558651
hammer curls for biceps
Dumbbell triceps kickbacks for triceps
I'd you can get some sort of makeshift bench do dumbbell flys for chest
do standing rows foe back

>>76558796
*unsheathes scimitar*

baka infidel

>>76558787
impressive stuff anon, how many times have u puked so far?

>>76558818
>have u puked so far?
Why would I puke?

>>76558843
everyone pukes when they fast

>>76558846
>everyone pukes when they fast
What? Why would people puke when they fast?

>>76558846
that's just not true

I've eaten precisely 1,083 calories today and I'm hungry but its already bedtime, I don't think I can trust myself to go eat anything rn without binging on 500+ calories but going to bed hungry causes me to repeatedly wake up in the middle of the night.
What do

>>76558854
>>76558855

I honestly don't even know if it's bait or not anymore

Today I will fast.

Today?
I will slow.

>Professor Oak's Challenge is a game where you go to each gym one at a time and don't move on until you've completed as much of the Pokedex as you can without beating the next Gym at a time, so taking starters to level 36 on wild pokemon, and then all the others on the route to their max forms achievable at your stage in the game
>Heart Gold and Soul Silver's is known as the worst, with the most Pokemon to acquire pre-Gym 1 and the high levels they require, since wild Pokemon are at level 6 at highest, and require playing at night to encounter (The Gastly)
>BUT the pedometer levels based on if you take steps more than the exp level of each Pokemon, but only up past one level (technically only 61 steps at level 5 but it quickly gets to about 500 steps a level and that's TWO Pokemon games to do at once for it)
I'm going to primarily use this thing to grind up my mons and get in shape over hundreds of hikes instead of playing hundreds of hours of vidya, and just tens of hours for when I DO need to level ingame to get moves I want and evolve the things.

anyone tried copper peptide cream for loose skin?

>>76558895
Have you tried not being fat

>>76558688
depends on the size of the chicken, weigh it out next time

>>76558904
yeah lost 55kg, now i have loose skin

>start fasting
>immediately start having muscle cramps, not even 3 days in
What do?

>>76558965
are you drinking enough water? and supplement electrolytes

>>76558881
most kino thing I've read

>>76558800
what can I do for lower body? Is body weight squats enough?

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>>76559008
hello anon i still hope u are having a good day

>>76558974
How is drinking water connected to cramps? genuine question
>supplement electrolytes
how? do i just buy them or do i gorge salts?

>>76558866
the retarded ai said it guys guys the internet magic has spoken stop fighting you guys just go ahead and puke all that water and electrolytes out

>>76559018
Yeah sorry dude let me just stop myself from puking like its a choice.

>>76559008
Wrong pic.
>>76559013
Thanks. WAGMI. I'll be posting 1 year before/after as well.

>>76559008
This is what you boys have to look forward to if you stick to it.

>>76559025
my man, if you're being sincere right now, im just going to appeal to your common sense.. PLEASE STOP FASTING IF YOU PUKE. Glucose tablets, soup, salt, hot sauce, huel or whatever the fuck its called - do what you can but you can't puke while fasting, that's really, really not good... I'm a nurses aid if it helps moving the needle in any way.

>>76558866
>talking wikipedia said so
I think this is arguably worse than puking during a fast. Basically equivalent to mental puke, honestly.

>>76559017
If you're dehydrated, that can cause cramps. You normally get a decent amount of water from eating food, so if you didn't drink a bit more than normal you might be a bit dehydrated.
For electrolytes, the two main ones are sodium and potassium. Magnesium and calcium too wouldn't hurt. For shorter fasts, just normal table salt or sea salt is enough. Just add it to water. 1 teaspoon over the whole day is enough.
You can buy a premade one for fasting, they're just bit overpriced though. Just make sure it doesn't have sugar.

>>76559034
i will not lie anon, i may have a small crush on u

Hamplanet here to motivate you all.
Sizes are off all charts - 200cm height, started all kinds of diets etc. at 165kgs. BMI is dumb in my case I bet I hit like 38-42. Still taller than fat, huge beer gut, 34 years old, Germany (because of course), 4chan since I was 16, vidya since I was 4 (doctor recommended it because of my eyesight???), poor family so all hobbies online because free (anime, gaymen, programming)
I was coping most of my life away stubbornly thinking somethings not right with "muh genes", was a fatty throughout school. Once I moved out, immediately cut out Sodas (too lazy to carry them, no car lmao), while still in uni started gym on "dunno what I'm doing" and went with a girl who also didn't. Martial Arts bro gave me a pirated paid plan, triple split WITH diet - ignored that part, went to sports to drink more, lost 30kgs in 4 years. Got fired, changed jobs, now had a 12 hr work day plus commute - couldn't gym, too tired. Tried keto - worked, immediately bounced back. Quit that job eventually due to jeets. One year jobless, headhunter didn't manage to find me something, state gibs running out, close to be put into state labour program which gives you to IKEA even if you have a goddamn degree.

>>76559038
I think you are misinterpreting things as much worse than they actually are. It's only happened twice, once after waking up the day after my first ever 24hr fast and then once about 30 minutes after breaking a fast with a chocolate nutritious shake, ended up having to pull over to puke in my car on my way to college, the puke tasted/looked identical to how it was when I drank it.
I just assumed everyone else had a few puking moments when they fasted.

>>76558866
>Trucks can be used for monster truck rallies. Therefore, everyone who buys a truck doesn't actually drive them on the road, but over other cars for people's entertainment on television.

>>76558866
>AI says so

>>76558881
I hope you know that not only are these things extremely inaccurate, but they're extremely inaccurate to the point that it actually makes a legitimate difference.

>>76559043
It's not even just talking wikipedia, there's a chance it's completely hallucinating something or saying the opposite of the source it used. Seen it happen. People who use AI for searches are just fucking stupid.

>>76559069
cont.
2020 coof hits, finally quit gym membership, online 24/7, somehow land a new job by writing in myself. 20 mins to work on bicycle, don't have one at that point.
Dad dies 2022 from cancer (54), have to take care of that, at least saw him one last time but didn't spend the time I should with him due to coof. Depression again or whatever, more drinking. Home office. Go outside twice a week.
Fuck it, we're doing this slow. Get a bike that year. Bike to work for a year. Finally cave in and order a shitload of Whey. Finally money, get shaker and some sports bands.
4 weeks ago, hit the gym again. Feel like a retard, WAY less weight than back in my days 6 years ago, but already have the pirated plan.
Stick to muscle gain - I am huge, once those muscles get reactivated I know they burn ungodly amounts of energy. Actually follow diet plan as well, sober for 24 weeks now.
I ease myself in. The plan is for 12 weeks fast results so intended to go 6 times a week - I go with 2 for the first three, finally went up to 3/6 this week, even after biking to/from work. Leg day was fun, I easily do 160kgs on the leg press. Being fat is like wearing a fat suit to sports 24/7. Muscles sore as fuck, but that's success. Laser focussed on plan, gym locals already recognize me and of course they're friendly to the motivated fatty.
Current status (most of it water loss I guess) 165->156kg, at night I sleep without a blanket because body is glowing like crazy.

>>76559034
Damn bro, you looked like shit when you were fat. Good job, keep it up.

>>76559104
cont. again
6/7 is utopian for long-term ("until I am a greek god for fucks sake"), Kilogram number doesn't matter, if I still feel my beer gut I need to go train.
Current body type is T-Rex. I bench press like 55kgs, meanwhile leg stuff I go over the limits on most machines.
God bless the leg press with free weights. God bless the snap city videos making me always keep my legs over ~20° instead of full spread.
For any fatties starting out:
Technique over weight! Do any freeweight 13-15 with some band or towel first, feel out what you can and can't do, get a training with a rep count and adjust weight accordingly.
Stop giving a fuck about others in the gym, blast loud music if you must. Let nobody interfere - NO, you do NOT need a spotter, most of those asking are bad anyways and you are NOT lifting deadly weights, don't fool yourself.

>>76559058
Well, this is new.

>>76558633
That fat fuck on the right has a lot of loose skin though...

Just puked and shit my guts out, at least it's water weight lost?

>>76559237
From what? You okay now?

>>76559368
Too much salt I think, I've been taking a magnesium supplement (I'm not a chemist but it's in the form of a magnesium salt) and drinking Gatorade a lot, the shits were essentially pure water, like I had dysentery or something. Drank water whenever it happened as to not get dehydrated and I feel better now, but still gonna take the day off

>>76559375
Definitely sounds like too much magnesium. Ease up on it so it doesn't happen again. Hope you continue to feel better.

>>76558633
>no carbs
>delicious

I'd rather eat one pasta meal every day than have unlimited meat

are fried vegetables bad for you? i fried kale in olive oil and added salt and pepper and its great. why should i fry everything in butter or olive oil?

>>76559375
yeah magnesium is laxative

>>76559430
>I'd rather eat pasta
That's exactly why you're fat, you know.

>>76559008
How did you make this graph?

I did 10k steps and stocked up on deenz

Have a cold, so I ordered a bunch of sloppa. Probably a bad idea.

I think my belt will need new holes soon. 10kg down.

>up three pounds since my low on Sunday despite maintaining a calorie deficit since

Does this just happen? Tbf I think i haven't had a proper shit in 36 hours

>>76559583
The best kind of feel

>>76559595
>I think i haven't had a proper shit in 36 hours
I think you just answered your own question
get some more fiber and drink some coffee

Another morning, frens. Stay strong.

luv onions me

>>76559577
Thinking about purging now. Pretty disappointed in myself.

Too many salads?

>>76559583
>my belt will need new holes
I instead took the buckle off, cut off a part of the belt and attached the buckle back on. No going back now.

>>76559642
The grind continues

>>76559698
Don't, just do better

>Started on Mounjaro
>Manages your blood sugars.
>Best sleep of my life for the past week.

If you're not as fat as boogie and you're just gonna have a normal amount of loose skin you don't need a tummy tuck or a carnivore diet you just need endolift
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAHYFcYW/

>>76559786
>On average, the cost typically starts at around $1800 per session
fuck off shill

How fat do you need to be to even get loose skin after losing weight?

>>76559798
Depends on a lot of things honestly. Age, genetics, how fast you've fattened up, how long you've stayed fat for, skin condition, whether you have stretch marks, etc, etc.

>>76559796
>Being American
Here in Mexico it's $200 per session actually and you only need 1-2

>>76559798
Depends on half a dozen different factors.
But, some niggas just get unlucky with it.
Generally if you're a young guy and you're losing less than 50-75 pounds, it's not something you really need to worry about.
If you're losing like 100, then yeah, be mindful of it, but you might be fine regardless.

Men seem to suffer it less than women, so it's a bit overblown because women are drama queens and 99% of anything relating to weight loss is about them.

>>76559786
Loose skin surgery and other ways to deal with it are covered by the national healthcare in my country but I don't think I'll have it bad enough for that, there's requirements. Probs should ask my GP soon, she's had some esthetic/plastic medicine training too, I hope that'll help.

>>76559798
>>76559807
Dismiss the previous poster, only thing that matters is if your stomach hangs down and if it's hard or soft, there are people who are 100 lbs overweight at 45 and won't have any because they're fat and wide and their stomach is firm instead of loose with rolls hanging down

>>76559430
Do you eat your pasta plain or do you have to add some sort of sauce to it to make it taste good?

>>76558666
we can exchange saliva to get some electrolytes anon. Do you want to try?

>>76559828
damn, it's over for me...

>>76559828
>only thing that matters is if your stomach hangs down and if it's hard or soft
Bullshit. My stomach was hard and sort of "packed full" when I was at my heaviest but as I'm losing weight it's getting softer and flabbier.

>>76559798
Doesn't really matter how fat they are in terms of lbs because what matters more is how much of that fat is subcutaneous. Visceral fat doesn't usually make it sag or droop. So you can be 100lbs overweight but if its mostly visceral fat you can come out without much if any loose skin.

You can tell from the start if you're going to end up with loose skin or not. If your skin is still tight you probably won't have much loose skin by the end. If you already have sagging skin that hangs down with rolls of fat; you're going to have loose skin by the end too, and you will need surgery if you want it to go away. All the stuff about collagen, creams, needling, radio frequency, fasting, autophagy, keto, ect it's all memes and cope that range from limited to no efficacy and won't solve the issue, they're just a waste of time and money, the only real solution to loose skin is getting it cut off.

>>76559881
How can you tell if your fat is mostly visceral or subcutaneous fat?
Isn't all fat relatively squishy/soft? I don't really get how you could squeeze your fat and it being hard.

>just found out I bought "greek styled" yogurt and not greek yogurt
>it turns out it has half the protein of real greek yogurt
Any other scams I should look out for?

>>76559894
I did that as well earlier, fucking retarded I know.
Had half the protein and double the carbs of regular greek yoghurt.

>>76559874
But was there a separation between your stomach and pubic area or was it just firm straight down?

>>76559881
It's over

>>76559895
Yeah, and it turns out no supermarket in my city sells regular greek yogurt...

>>76559892
You have some mix of both, if you have a hard time visualizing the difference but consider this picture.

These men carry a similar amount of fat, ~40% BF, but the man on the left has more visceral fat while the man on the right has more subcutaneous fat. See how the man on the left's fat is still held tight to his body? While the man on the right's fat sags and folds. The man on the left can lose the weight and have little to no loose skin, the man on the right will have loose skin after losing weight no matter what he does or how he loses the weight.

>>76559892
>Squeeze your fat
That's the thing, visceral fat is between your organs, there's nothing to squeeze

>>76559921
Ah right, I see what you mean now
I'm like the guy on the left, I've never had rolls or hanging skin like that guy on the right thank fuck

>>76559921
This could just as well be explained by genetic fat distribution, aka you're making shit up, even though its technically correct that if you have alot of visc fat your skin is likely not stretched as much, but its not true that guy on the left has more visc fat, you dont know that
He has different distribution and is like 10% less bodyfat than left

>>76559921
yeah I'm fucked, time to start saving up

>>76559894
I was so pissed at myself when I fell for this meme, glad I'm not the only one. The tub had blue Corinthian columns and those angular greek letters on it, and proclaimed "GREEK YOGURT" in all caps but in small squiggly font between the two where you could hardly notice it they scribbled "style".

How is it legal for them to trick people like this?

>>76559944
Let this be a lesson for you to always check the nutrition label

>>76559894
I bought "mayonnaise flavored dressing" the other day and I was so pissed because it tasted like ass

>>76559949
I just get this one now, it doesn't even call itself 'greek' yogurt but it had the highest protein per oz of them all.

>>76559944
fucking lmao that's egregious

Im in god damn shambles right now, apparently some fat guy at my college got some action BEFORE I did even though he's fat and im damn near healthy weight now. God damn it, is game really such an important factor more than looking good??? Will I need to start personalitymaxxxxxxxxxxxxing after im done with my weight journey?

>>76559894
Yeah, you should learn to understand that Greek yogurt isn't actually yogurt from Greece or yogurt that Greek people eat in the first place. It's a marketing term for strained yogurt. There's nothing Greek about it.

>>76559960
If you're on a budget or cost is something that matters at all to you, you could just buy 2% yogurt and mix in unflavored whey protein for much much cheaper.

>>76559985
Yes, women unironically don't care about your fatness. They care about personality and you clearly have none.

>>76559985
Personality and style is everything.

>>76560004
I do have a good personality, its just that im absolute SHIT at IRL talking, online shit is so god damn easy

>>76560014
>I do have personality
No one with personality would say that

leg day today bros. im scared

ANONS WHICH ONE OF U WANTS TO SACRIFICE SO I CAN PLAY WITH UR TUMMY

>>76559993
>2% yogurt and mix in unflavored whey protein for much much cheaper
unflavored whey powder is like $80~90 a tub, a tub of that yogurt is like $7~8 and it takes me like a week to get through it. If I was going through a tub of that yogurt everyday maybe I'd consider it.

>>76560062
I have no idea where you're getting your whey protein powder, but that's not even close to prices I've seen. That's a ridiculous price. Anyway, it was just a suggestion. I didn't know how much of the yogurt you were eating. I thought maybe if you were going through multiple tubs a week or something, maybe it would be more cost effective for you. But if it's not, feel free to ignore my advice.

I get the triple pack of greek yogurt from costco

starting weight: 118.1 kg 20/8
current weight: 112.3 kg 28/8
goal weight: 70 kg
height: 179 cm

method: rolling 72s with salt water and coffee

>>76560022
fuck you >:(

>had to end my workout early and speed home because of liquid shit

really starting to see the drawback of ozempic. This is what people with irritable bowel syndrome deal with. A constant oscillation between constipation and diareah. Hopefully I can dial in my diet to the point that this stops.

>>76560080
>really starting to see the drawback of ozempic. This is what people with irritable bowel syndrome deal with. A constant oscillation between constipation and diareah. Hopefully I can dial in my diet to the point that this stops.


YOu are pooping ur way to twinkdom

Fatty Contest
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100.3 kg

>>76559985
Looksmaxxing has always been cope for no game.

Its not irrational for autists though, they are genetically blocked from ever having game. If you are not an austis then you should not focus everything on looksmaxing. Get your looks 80% maxed with 20% effort and then learn to talk to grils.

>>76560080
Diet is a lot of it.
High fiber, high protein.
Fat and carbs in moderation.
It can take a couple months to really dial it in, so don't feel too about it, it's a learning experience I guess.

>>76559896
I don't really get what you mean, I have a belly, sure, but it's the largest right below the navel and tapers down towards the pubic area rather than hanging and covering it. Even my moobs are kinda perky and stay up rather than sagging down and folding (as in the underside hangs free and doesn't touch the torso). Did I win the genetic lottery of skin elasticity or something?

>>76560087
im fucked

>>76560076
Ngmi

>>76560004
>They care about personality
>>76560004
>Personality and style is everything.
I have no personality, it's completely dull, sanded off by years of keeping to myself in general. What now?

>>76560087
This is pretty true. Just from my anecdotal experience, when I was 100 pounds heavier and very chubby in the face and body, I still had a girlfriend. And then I lost 100 pounds in a year, and I got another girlfriend. So, it clearly wasn't the weight.

eat salads
this is a threat

I just can’t believe how much fat there is in general.
>yoghurt, dried berries and 30g~ nuts for breakfast
>for lunch, meatballs (prepared with 10% fat lean ground beef and 50g of bread crumbs) >salad with salad dressing and a tbsp of olive oil
>100g of whole grain wheat spaghetti with 9g of butter
And
>100g of peanuts as a snack
And now it’s 6pm and i’m hungry again. The math here is really cruel and i couldn’t even get close to my protein goal. /rant

>>76560129
>100g of peanuts as a snack
peak ngmi

>>76560129
it's 2025

>>76560129
Have you tried eating real food and not just slop

Why does my head start to hurt when I go in a deficit?

>>76559985
Post personality of the fat guy and also post the girl he got with

>>76560129
>100g of peanuts

Bro if you buy peanuts that are still in the shell and you have to crack them out of the shell as you eat them you will find yourself eating way slower and getting full of them faster.

Nuts that are already taken out of the shell is a subtle form of processing. Same as fruits that have been juiced. It may not seem like a big deal but it is the difference between healthy and unhealthy

>>76560129
lmao your snack is really funny
it has the same calories as two chickenbreasts

Protein is making you fat bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LDe3k6lyac

>>76560155
Snack may not be the righr word. It’s just what i ate to eat something with protein and i didn’t want to go for a 2nd round of a legitimate meal. But yeah i counted the calories after i ate the peanuts and honestly wasnt expecting that i thought roasted peanuts were “healthy”. >>76560152
Never thought of it that way. Will look into doing this, thanks.

>>76560168
eating protein when you don't want too is making them fat.
eat what your body needs not what some spreadsheet says

>>76560129
>more carbs than fat or protein
That's why you're hungry. Just quit eating carbs and you won't be hungry.

>>76560144
Not enough electrolytes. Carb sources like potatoes and bananas are pretty high in potassium. Ditch those and you have to start supplementing especially if you exercise and sweat a lot (and drink caffeine too).
The other part of headache in a deficit is below 40g of fat (for natties)

>>76558654
I haven't seen a good study on it. The only ones I could find were with 20 or so patients, and no control group. But they all claim it works so I think it's worth trying.

>>76560174
My body wants to be 300 pounds and die from heart attack at age 52

>>76560190
>The other part of headache in a deficit is below 40g of fat (for natties)
well I am above that

>Not enough electrolytes. Carb sources like potatoes and bananas are pretty high in potassium. Ditch those and you have to start supplementing especially if you exercise and sweat a lot (and drink caffeine too).
I had some in the morning and with my workout so I'm not sure why I feel off today.

What if I am pooping a lot, will I need more electrolytes?

>>76560192
>My body wants to be 300 pounds and die from heart attack at age 52
u have a disease

>>76558654
>>76560191
I would absolutely get one of the pens with a completely up and down motion as opposed to a roller which is going to be a lot more damaging to the skin in producing the same healing response. The spinning motion of it seems bad to me.

>>76560168
Why are vegans so anti-protein?

It's literally just carbs making people fat.

>>76560202
No I don't its just evolution. I was meant to be a cave man with limited access to food. I am in an alien environoment that I did not evolve to exist in.

>>76560129
>600 calories of peanuts as a "snack"
What are you doing dude

>>76560205
Yeah, it's the carbs.

>>76560221
Yeah, it's the carbs

>>76560208
so take yourself out of that environment
that's why it's recommended you throw away all of the junk in your house, don't go grocery shopping while hungry, make your own meals, etc.

>>76560208
Primitive humans had access to basically unlimited meat. They were apex predators.

American aboriginals were chasing whole herds of buffalo off cliffs and they didn't suffer from obesity.

You're just not evolved to eat carbs after adulthood. Babies drink carbs (milk) to gain weight rapidly.

Just found a collection of videos of myself when I was probably at my fattest (135kg)
Crazy stuff

fucking ketoretard

>>76560282
post vids

I dont like these spikes that I get. How to make them go away?

>>76560144
should go away after a dew days. drink more water too

>>76560290
Stop eating so much fat shit

>>76560324
But my deficits have been around -800 per day with 160g protein

>>76560333
huh I never imagined eurpoors had that wood paneling. I thought it was an exclusively 1970s-90s american thing

>>76560342
That's an american building

>>76560290
It's normal, don't worry about that and keep at it bro.

>>76560282
>>76560333
This made me look at some old pics again... yeah it was pretty bad.
I should probably be more happy with my progress.

>>76560282
Whats your extra skin situation now?

>>76560363
pic taken yesterday

>>76560290
Could be salt intake, mild dehydration, even fiber levels or other variables. At our weight swings of a few pounds are pretty normal because there’s just so much mass to expand/contract, the trend is what’s important. As you get lower fat it’ll smooth out more

>>76560370
LOOK SO CUTE AND CUDDLY I WANT TO PLAY WITH U RTUMMY

How to eat at maintenance while leaving room for unhealthy food?

I was thinking 1000 calories of as much distilled nutrition as possible (chicken breast, whey protein, boiled eggs, vegetables), then leaving myself 1000-1500 calories for snacks. Basically 50/50 ratio between clean and dirty food

>>76560391
If you're going to go 50-50 between healthy and non-healthy foods, then you're just not going to be a healthy person. If you're going to eat 1,000 or 1,500 calories of unhealthy food, that's radically disordered. A healthy person would eat three relatively healthy meals and then maybe a bag of chips or a dessert. Making half of your diet trash is really messed up.

>>76560396
A bag of chips is like 1k calories
A dessert like a cinamon bun is like 900 calories

He just needs to control his portions basically
Gotta eat like a cup of chips or half a dessert
Tough for fatties

>>76560406
You have a needing disorder. A severe one. Those calories are not even close. A bag of chips is like 200 calories. A cinnamon bun is like 300.

>>76560406
You have a eating disorder. A severe one. Those calories are not even close. A bag of chips is like 200 calories. A cinnamon bun is like 300.

I'm glad I've taken pictures of my progress, seeing just how fat I was and how noticeably leaner I am now is great, let alone the KGs lost.

>>76560431
Good on you

>>76560391
>then leaving myself 1000-1500 calories for snacks.
lmao

>>76560415
Depends on where you buy
and no chips dont have that low calories lmao

A bag (normal bag) not one of those miniature bags with 1 handful of chips has easily 1k or more

>>76560441
You're reaching, and your perspective on reality is very unrealistic. When somebody says, I'm going to eat a bag of chips, they don't mean I'm going to eat a family-sized bag of chips. They mean they're going to eat a bag of chips. Normal people establish the standard for verbal colloquialisms, and normal people don't eat a family size 1000 calorie bag of chips in one sitting. You're quite simply just wrong.

>>76560391
Got inspired by this fag on ticktock who makes "my food". Basically just a super healthy slop food of chicken breast and every "super food" vegitable all finely chopped up and thrown in a bowl with minimal seasonings.

He makes himself eat "his food" for 3 meals a day every day but also just lets himself eat anything else that he craves. The idea is that if your stomach is always filled with healthy shit you cant binge and over eat too badly.

The guy is fit but he is also asian which makes me skeptical. When I tried this myself it just didn't work as I rebelled against the slop.

>>76560453
When someone in the /fat/ thread talks about a bag of chips its implied that we're talking about a real bag of chips
Even in day to day life people would understand a bag of chips to be that type of bag, at least in america
Get your head out of your ass

So what is the cause of the obesity crisis? Seemingly the entire developed world is affected and it only really started in the last ~50 years.

>>76560460
As I said, normal people establish the verbiage for colloquialisms. He said he wants to eat at maintenance, which a normal person is doing. I am not overweight. And when I set a bag of chips, I did not mean a family size 1000 calorie bag of chips, and by inferring that, it just shows you are still in effect person mindset and have not yet transitioned into normal eating habits. If you were in a normal conversation with two normal non-obese people, and they said, I'm going to have a sandwich in a bag of chips, they would not assume that you are going to eat a sandwich, and then a bag of chips with double the calories of the sandwich. As I established before, your perspective on reality is warped. I'm finished with this conversation because we clearly are not going to see eye to eye.

>>76560466
Overabundance of processed food and lack of physically demanding jobs and outdoor play.

>>76560460
NTA but it’s not helpful to look at the median American lifestyle as standard, when so many of us are fat.
>a real bag of chips
>a real bag
>real
Peak ngmi attitude

>>76560466
Hyperpalatable food and sedentary lifestyle

>>76560466
CICO caused the obesity epidemic. Traditional wisdom was that sugar and starch are fattening.

Once someone buys into the calorie hoax it becomes very difficult to stay lean. People who believe in calories do insane things like eating low-fat.

>>76560466
Also see >>76560205
>carbs cause obesity.png
The only macronutrient that people started eating more of is carbohydrate.

The reason people started eating more carbs is due to the success of calorie propaganda spread by the sugar industry.

The proximate cause of obesity is carbs. The ultimate cause of obesity is belief in calories.

I wanna run or at least jog and sweat but I'm afraid of people looking at me and seeing my big ass belly and man tits bouncing

>76560478
you don't even get a >You

>>76560496
No one cares dw

>>76560496
They will, but more importantly you will think about it the most
The only solution is to get lean or man up and stop caring about how stupid you look when doing something good

>>76560496
literally no-one cares, don't let that stop you from getting your exercise

>>76560466
Because billions or even trillions of dollars have gone into food industry research on making more addictive and available food. People who eat 50% more food are 50% more profitable. We are just cattle.

>>76560478
you sound insane

>>76560496
I go jogging at night. I also live in georgia and its just hot as balls when the sun is out too

>>76560496
If I saw a tubby's tummy and tits bouncing in the air, I would think how juicy he looks. I want to grope his tummy

>>76560496
wear a compression undershirt

>>76560497
Before anyone had heard of the calorie measurement: everyone was lean
After everyone heard of the calorie measurement: everyone is fat

The nation that pioneered teaching people about calories: America
The first nation to become obese: America

Calorie propaganda: 1950s
Obesity epidemic begins: 1970s

This isn't hard to figure out. CICO caused the obesity epidemic.

>>76560518
being a fatass in georgia is just normal thoughbiet

>>76560532
Correlation does not imply causation you fucking ketard.

>>76560512
CICO is insane. Measuring the food you eat, tracking it in a diary, and then forcing yourself to be hungry is a mental illness.

The CICO mental illness is so strong that people who suffer from the calorie delusion will ignore the fact that it has awful results. Unlimited calorie low-carb has far superior results with less effort.

>>76560541
He is literally a diagnosed schizophrenic, don't waste your time arguing with the insane.

>>76560470
>Overabundance of processed food and lack of physically demanding jobs and outdoor play.
That's broadly been the reality since at least the early 1900s thanks to the spread of the industrial revolution yet the dramatic uptick in obesity rates lagged another half century.

To put this into perspective sitting on their ass, listening to the radio/watching TV, working a desk job instead of in a field, and eating processed slop you still eat today (Coke is from 1886, Oreos from 1912, Twinkies from 1930s) didn't make your grandparents or your great grandparents into fatties, it only started around when your mom and dad's generation (who likely grew up skinny) were reaching adulthood. The millennials were the first with widespread childhood obesity and its only gotten worse from there. Something changed in the last ~50 years that made everyone into fatties.

>>76560543
You're still fat ketoschizo, why are you still fat?

>>76560545
I didn't read your blog post Keto spammer. Nothing I said was incorrect.

>>76560541
Causation is well established.

>>76560550
You got the wrong guy. CICO is law.

>>76560545
The obesity epidemic didn't kick off until after Sugar Information Inc. spread calorie propaganda.

>>76560545
>eating processed slop you still eat today (Coke is from 1886, Oreos from 1912, Twinkies from 1930s)
Nah, the slop is wildly different between then and now, and so is the abundance of it. Desk jobs weren't as prevalent back then either, and WFH was basically unheard of.

>>76560556
Unironically I couldn't eat 6 teaspoons of sugar without feeling 'done'
That salad would not fill me up because its too delicious

>>76560564
>believes calorie propaganda
>is fat
Many such cases.

>>76560568
But you are fat too, thats why you don't post body
Or you're brown, either way you're ashamed of your own self

>>76560573
I reached my goal weight shortly after I figured out that calories are a hoax.

You are fat and will remain fat as long as you believe in CICO.

>>76560576
It's not you, stop pretending
You are fat, you are not that guy because you wont post body with timestamp

>>76560498
Bullfeces

>>76560577
Post body, calorie believer.

No one cares you fucking retarded schizo

>>76560587
That's not you
Again, post body with timestamp you lying fattie

>>76560563
>Nah, the slop is wildly different between then and now
Its really not, your great grandparents oreos had the same caloric value they have today, the ingredients have changed slightly but the total caloric value is roughly the same and you're actually paying more for them today (adjusted for inflation) than you were back then. Sitting in a chair in a factory is not burning significantly more calories than sitting in a chair at home. They had the slop, they had the sedentary lifestyle, it was just as cheap and abundant, yet they didn't get fat and their kids didn't get fat either, it was those kids kids that got fat.

>>76560597
So if the previous generations were fine after guzzling carbs and sitting on their asses all day, what's wrong with the people of today?

>>76560595
Post your body so I can make another image comparison.

>>76560615
People of today believe in CICO. People in the past thought sugar and starch were fattening.

>>76560615
previous generations werent sitting at home all day

>>76560618
Post your body schizo, or are you waiting for some other random keto anon to post body for you?

It's kinda hard though because most slim people don't go to the /fat/ thread so there's a low chance of a keto anon to stumble on these posts to bail you out, right?

>>76560627
>reducing how much you eat makes you fatter
Okay schizo.
>>76560629
>Sitting in a chair in a factory is not burning significantly more calories than sitting in a chair at home.

>>76560629
It doesn't matter if people are "sitting at home all day" or not. The brain uses more energy than any other organ. Additive DEE is a myth.

Primitive tribal people who walk all day have the same energy expenditure as modern industrialized populations.

What happened is that people were taught by the sugar industry that calories cause obesity (See: >>76560478 >>76560532 >>76560556 >>76560568 >>76560627) and as a result they started eating more carbs (See: >>76560205)

This isn't actually tough to figure out. People started eating more carbs. We know that for certain. The reason they ate more carbs is because of calorie propaganda.

>>76560645
Then why are you still fat?

Why are Americans like this?

>>76560645
>People started eating more carbs.
Agriculture is a hell of a lot older than the obesity epidemic. People were surviving off of potatoes, wheat, rice, etc. for literal millennia.

>>76560615
I have no idea, and no one else seems to know either. The obesity epidemic just pops up in the mid/late 1970s, and just kept gaining momentum through the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s with seemingly no loss in momentum, yet all the causes people usually point to have been with us since the 1890s~1910s. People went from hard active labor to assembly line work and deskjobs more than a century ago and for a half century of it they didn't get fat at the rates we see today.

>>76560627
Explain the 20 year lag between your 1950s domino ad and obesity epidemic? People didn't suddenly think "sugar good" either after a few ads in TIME, "low sugar" and "sugar free", and "no added sugar" foods have been popular throughout the entire obesity epidemic yet it didn't cause any loss of momentum.

>>76560644
Believing in calories causes people to eat more carbs. Carbs are the only fattening macronutrient. The correct way to cure obesity is to eat fewer carbs.

>>76560655
statistically schizos are more likely to be SEA

Wow ground beef is terrible macros wise. Should I drain the beef fat ina a strainer? What would it be then? Im starting with 73%.

>>76560662
Impossible to tell

>bpm up to 171 at the steep end of my walk

I feel like I'm gonna die

everyone who participates in arguments in these threads should be required to post their physique w proper timestamp

>>76560657
The people tend to fall for lies are the ones who grow up with those lies.

Calorie propaganda was accepted enough by 1977 that it made its way into US Dietary Guidelines.

>>76560659
>Believing in calories causes people to eat more carbs.
Uh, no?
>Carbs are the only fattening macronutrient.
The only thing that's fattening is the caloric content.
>The correct way to cure obesity is to eat fewer carbs.
It's to eat less in general, including fewer carbs. Lowering carbs is still good for managing hunger and combating insulin resistance though, but that's about it.
Another funny thing: with type 1 diabetes, fat fucks your blood sugar up a whole lot more than carbs.

How many calories does 10k steps actually burn? And how can your "sedentary" TDEE be over 300 calories above your BMR? You burn 300 calories doing nothing?

>>76560681
i read somewhere that u burn 1500 just from existing

>>76560671
Ig ill do it anyways.
>>76560672
My bpm dropped by 35 beats in 6 months and I have heart pain...

>>76560662
Ground beef has perfect macros: zero carb.

Higher fat is better.

>>76560681
You don't do nothing
Even if you sit at the computer all day, your body use muscles to stabilize your posture, you move around here and there
This all adds up over 16 hours

>>76560686
But it has too many calories. Plus I wanna eat it alone side some watermelon

>>76560681
The sedentary TDEE is definitely wrong, or its definition of sedentary is different from mine. My weight loss rate only makes sense if I start from BMR and only add the calories I burned each workout. That's because I sit down for most of the day otherwise.

>>76560681
BMR is lying in coma.

What's the best low cal fiber option? My macros are where I want them but every shit is painful.

God damnit you fucking retarded faggots Shut up about keto and carbs. Everyone has different genetics and some diets work for different people. You have this conversation every single day. OCD mentally ill basket case fucks

>>76560703
Watermelon

>>76560656
Carb consumption went up and obesity got out of control after the population had been propagandized with calorie nonsense.

>>76560679
Uh, yes. Calorie propaganda directly resulted in Americans eating more carbs and therefore becoming obese.

I might actually have the worst diet of all time but i can’t stop

>>76560703
Psyllium husk supplements maybe
Personally I just love to eat broccolli and salad with tomatos,cucumbers and some greens in there
I would never count those calories

>>76560705
On allah nigga fuck

>>76560681
>How many calories does 10k steps actually burn?
Approximately zero.

Additive DEE is a myth. Your body takes energy it was going to use for something else anyway. See pic related.

Sedentary populations have the same energy expenditure as hunter gatherers who are physically active all day. See: >>76560645

>>76560703
seconding broccoli

Literally me

>>76560679
The calorie measurement doesn't quantify how fattening a food is.

For example hypercaloric protein diets don't cause increased body fat. Protein is a slimming food. No matter how much protein you eat it will have a slimming effect on the human body. Protein can never be fattening in any quantity, even if you use the calorie measurement to quantify it.

>>76560681
>How many calories does 10k steps actually burn?
That's going to vary wildly from person to person.
We can track how many calories you burn by tracking how much CO2 you exhale and that varies based on your heart rate and respiration rate. A physically healthy person walking 10k steps might not even raise their heartrate past 80bpm, while a massive class III obeast fatty might be at 150bpm by the end of their 10k steps, the fatty will be burning far more calories than the healthy person. So it could be anywhere from like 100 calories to 1000 calories, if you're a fatty walking 10k steps is probably something like ~400 calories, as your fitness level improves that number will go down, when you're healthy it'll probably be in the ~200 calorie range.

>You burn 300 calories doing nothing?
You got out of bed? You dressed yourself? You presumably walked to your computer? You made yourself some slop and threw out the trash? You scratched that itch on your ass? That's where those 300 calories came from, even if you're sedentary and not leaving your house you're still moving around a little. If you lay in bed the entire day completely immobile that's your BMR.

>>76560740
Then why is it when ppl count calories they lose weight?
Eat less, move more works

>>76560703
Yeah I'm going to say Broccoli too, especially if you eat the stalks. Less so if you only eat the florets.

Broccoli stalks are god tier for macros and fiber.

>>76560744
When people restrict calories and eat carbs they lower their metabolism and ultimately gain weight.

>>76560743
If a fatty walks 10k steps how much will the body lower energy expenditure used for other purposes to compensate?

Will there be any net benefit at all? Studies have shown that additive DEE is a myth and organisms actually have a constrained DEE.

See: >>76560645 >>76560718

>>76560749
lower metabolism doesn’t have to equate to weight gain tho

>>76560749
>Danny Cahill lost a net 139 pounds, and his metabolic decrease almost exactly corresponds to having to maintain 139 fewer pounds of fat
Chilling stuff.

>>76560757
The body lowers metabolism when you eat carbs and restrict calories specifically so it can store fat.

Insulin signals for fat tissue to grow. If you are eating carbs your body will find a way to make fat tissue grow.

Eating carbs while restricting calories also causes less muscle mass and more body fat at any weight. Reduced muscle mass is another way the body can preserve fat in addition to lowering metabolism.

>>76560749
But im eating carbs like pasta and fruits. Why am I losing weight?

>>76560763
>Danny Cahill now burns 800 fewer calories a day than expected
What do you think "than expected" means in this sentence?

>>76560767
Post body and I will tell you.

I just want to know why the ketoschizo is still fat

If keto worked so well then he wouldn't be fat
Does he eat carbs?
Then clearly keto is not sustainable

Then if it doesnt work why would you post about it so hard, just for the attention?

>>76560777
my theory is he’s bitter abt other anons losing weight while he can’t so he's shilling this keto shit in hopes of dragging others down w him
also nice trips

>>76560777
i think its a vegan trying to make keto look bad

did my 10k steps today and I'm feeling my love handles slowly going away

we are all gonna make it

I did the math and 47% of my caloric intake for the day was just crackers
el oh el

>>76560834
I haven't and I feel like a miserable hopeless fatty. I keep telling myself I'm going to get out there and do them but I can't seem to get myself motivated to move. I also need to lift today. Fuck. Okay, this time for real. I'll post my steps when I get back. If I don't I failed.

>>76560834
unironically same.

I am crazed to imagine it is though.

>>76560777
>>76560795
>>76560812

>>76560662
i can get 3% fat ground beef here, but without the fat, beef is not very good. might as well eat chicken for half the price.

>>76560861
>previous thread starts with 76

>>76560861
i dont understand the lack of a proper timestamp

>>76560850
I believe in you anon, we're all rooting for you!

>>76560861
>the trembling
Gets me every time.

>get kcal tracking app
>put in my stuff
>want to eat 1600kcal/day
>app calculates my extra calories from stepcounter etc
>"yeah you can eat an additional 1000kcal. don't worry. also don't forget to eat your 300g of carbs"

friend, foe or retarded?

>>76560850
You should be a bare minimum chad like me.
>don't feel like doing 10k steps today so I tell myself to do 1k
>after 1k steps I feel like doing the full 10k because why not
>don't feel like lifting weights so I tell myself to only lift 80%
>after a set I add more weight

>>76560896
retarded, just stick to 1600 a day

>>76560861
wait why does the sign separate into two near the end? one gets pulled to the right and the other goes to his hand

>>76560916
It's a mirror.

>>76560916
nvm I'm retarded it's a mirror

>>76560916
how do mirrors work

>>76560867
>>76560869
>>76560890
>>76560916
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/69847369#69854913
It's a two-year-old video.

>>76560524
Those don't actually work do they

>>76560930
So?

>>76560524
Women need four straps, hooks, and two wire lined cups in order to keep Lumps that are generally the twice the size of your fist from bouncing all over the place. You think a mere compression shirt is going to prevent a jiggling belly?
>>76560932
See above

>>76560938
What do you think the word still means

I’m starting to get haters at work. Feels very strange

>>76560972
Misery loves company.

Ignore them and keep winning

You got this

>>76560129
For some people, the real reason they can't lose weight is because they're fucking retarded.

>>76560932
they do
>>76560940
sports bras are just fabric

>>76560940
Shapewear actually does
I used it before for that very reason, sadly it makes me sweat too much

if hes so fat hes going to bounce around he shouldn't be jogging anyway its going to bust his knees. just speedwalk.
walk the track normally and measure it, then try it again in 90% of the time it took you before

good afternoon bros
i am sore all over
160lbs by halloween, currently 180
that is all

>>76560989
I don’t think this is true about the knees. Maybe someone who is fat and trying to run full speed stomping about.

Fatty Contest
Napoli
90.0kg

>>76560989
dont obese ppl tend to have very strong legs though from carrying so much weight all the time?

>>76560972
Is it women or men? Men get competitive with me whenever I lose weight.

I moved in with some people who are CONSTANTLY giving me food. And when i tell them no, or Im watching my diet, they do the
>Are you sure? X4 times
>are you positive?
>well its right here if you change your mind.
>usually give in to my gluttony
>almost every night they cook or order up feast, i eat more than i want to
>once a week we sit and eat as a family
>once a week they also go to another family across the street to eat, said person has my number and texts me expecting me to come every week, i came up with excuses the past 3 times but they dont really accept it, and offer me to send my leftovers ~3 times even after i tell them im watching my weight
>every sunday we also all hang out and eat out for lunch

This is fucking up my diet. They are helping me get on my feet financially so i dont want to feel like Im blowing them off and just be secluded in my room. But I cant sit down and eat so many times a week. I cant keep fighting them everyday denying food 10 times. I already struggle eating too much so having to deal with people offering me so much causes me to fuck up.

Its also causing me just think about food too much. When i was losing weight its when i could count my calories with pre packed food, and not think about food most days. Just eat my little meals and be done with it. I dont want to be mean but i think im going to have to just get more strict. But i feel bad.

>>76561042
tell them straight from your heart that you really appreciate the gesture, sincerely, and explain to them that you need to lose weight due to medical reasons, they should back off. That looks so unbelieveably delicious right now though why are you showing us this lol

>>76561042
fake having some gluten or flour allergy or something to excuse urself ffrom having to eat their stuff

>>76561042
My mom brings me food 4x a week. The days aren't consistent either. I hated it too because it made it harder to plan my calories, but I learned to just assume she's going to bring food, and have a quick backup meal I can make if she doesn't.

asked chatgpt some questions about foods/time before exercises, and it said next time i go on an errand i need to buy Rotisserie chicken. i thought that shit was a meme

>>76561080
just buy canned chicken
its cheaper and you can actually properly measure how many calories youre consuming

>>76561080
why would it be a meme, it's easy and delicious

>>76561090
think i'd rather just make baked chicken than eat canned chicken. wtf
>>76561092
i'm not sure why but i always thought that was just jokes. not legit suggestion/advice

>>76561104
>think i'd rather just make baked chicken than eat canned chicken. wtf
so youre eating for taste over macros? this is why youre fat