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Previous thread: >>106223592

>>106234807
That sounds pretty neat, but I'm used to fumbling around so idk.

>>106234789 (OP)
is steam os on computers a thing yet? cbf trying out linux again until that happens

Is there a way to get gallery-dl to scrap and download URLs in kemono party posts?

I need to make a PiHole thread. Not now. Maybe later.

>>106234873
it's an acquired taste i suppose, it feels very natural to me to use vim motions to navigate/manipulate a file tree.

I just wanted to say that I'm happy with my Linux installation. That's all

>be me
>upgrade to the great and powerful debian trixie
>love lxqt, deb13 has lxqt 2.1 with wayland support
>which I wanted to try because waydroid
>upgrade, shit is still X11
>perhaps I need manual intervention...
>lxqt-wayland-session is sid only
fuck my life
should I go with KDE or with LabWC? What should I install to have a proper environment with LabWC?

>>106235179
I thought bronies died a while ago

>>106235195
anon, horsefuckers are always hiding in shadows of normal threads
see this year's April Fools' event where /mlp/ boosted its activity to >1200%
(now please help me with my environment)

I just can't decide between Arch, Gentoo, openSUSE, Fedora, Debian, or Ubuntu. Same with KDE Plasma, GNOME, or Xfce.

It's impossible to make a choice, there should only be one.

>Install Trixie
>Select language
>Still doesn't install localisation for Firefox, Libreoffice
>Mfw Linux has this issue for at least 10 years
>Enable dark mode in LibreOffice
>Black text on black background
>Select text colour white manually
>nothing changes
>hm maybe reinstalling helps
>open Gnome Software
>clicking somewhere does nothing
>turns out an automatic update of some freedesktop shit messing up the alignment
>restart
>remove libreoffice with synaptic
>install libreoffice package
>now libreoffice looks like Windows 95 and no theme works
>give up and install Windows 10

2025 will be the year of teh Loonix desktop

>>106235228
Depends on your hardware

>>106235171
what file explorer uses vim keys?

>>106235228
if you can't pick then you clearly don't know what you want. just go with one of the random new redistributions with an installer.

why do you need to cache shaders when playing games with proton? and do you need to do that every time you launch the game? if so, why can't the shaders be saved for later use instead of having to recompile them on next launch? if not, is this user talking about shaders caching? I am trying to document the gaming situation on linux before I make the jump from windows

>>106235294
Sounds like a Debian problem

>>106235341
both yazi and lf have many vim defaults, but honestly I dont remember which I configured and which are default

>>106235360
I'm not distrohopping. Debian is supposed to be stable and bug free. Wtf is this shit.

>>106235420
>stable
That means that package versions don't change
>bug free
No packaging bugs

>>106235377
just got yazi, very nice.

>>106235420
Don't mistake "stable" with "it works".

>>106234996
SteamOS, no. But you can use Bazzite instead. It's basically a better SteamOS.

>>106235358
>why can't the shaders be saved for later use instead of having to recompile them on next launch
That's the standard behavior. But if there's a large game update or if you switch to a new Proton version, you have to recompile them.

>>106235420
>stable
Yes. Stable. As in "doesn't change anything in 2-7 years". It's something only valuable for servers and developers. You're not supposed to actually use Debian as a desktop OS unless you really know what you're doing and are autistic about it.
>bug free
Nobody ever says this.

>>106235171
Yeah, I guess I could try it and get used to it. Before I always thought that image previews were the hot thing in regards to them, but you made it sound pretty damn good.

Actually its the same thing with fzf (fuzzy finder), seems neat and all but then I forget about it.

>>106235294
Does this issue also happen with libreoffice flatpak?

>>106235179
>https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/lxqt-wayland-session/filelist
They're just a bunch of config files so you could probably just manually download and extract the .deb file

>>106234996
SteamOS is not meant for desktops. It exists solely for Steamdeck and other similar handheld gaming machines.

Will Cosmic be any good and if so, when?

>>106235885
Isnt that the first phase? I thought they were planning a multiplatform thing.

>update firefox to 141 (and maybe other packages)
>suddenly mouse cursor is different (but only inside firefox)
>and flickers sometimes (but only inside firefox)
I fucking hate this joke OS so much.

GNU/LINACKS

I've tried googling, but I can't seem to get results that help me.

I'm trying to transfer my iPhone 6 pics and videos to my computer and then to my SSD, but the cable I've used before that worked on Linux Mint won't transfer files on my current distro called Fedora.

Is there a program I can install to get this working?
Or has the cable just stopped working when it comes to file transferring and I have to get a new cable?
Am I as the kids say "cooked" and I have to get a new phone?

Is Fedora SIlverblue the right choice when I want to drop Ubuntu and switch to Fedora on a system that doesnt really need frequent updates? All I want is a "it just works" distro thats stable and doesnt throw 20 updates at me each day like Fedora workstation does.

>>106236435
A software problem seems more likely than a cable problem. If you see the iphone in lsusb output, the cable probably works.

Is there a way to change the file upload window so that it displays tiled thumbnails like I used to have on Windows?

I'm on Mint Cinnamon.

>>106236657
Personally, I went all the way to write a small application that implements org.freedesktop.portal.FileChooser to replace the firefox file chooser with what I wanted.

>>106236730
Okay thanks man, if that's what it takes I'm going back to Windows (yet again)

>>106236752
Tell that to the developers of whatever desktop env you're using. Personally I don't care what you use.

>>106236435
>Won't transfer files
Be more specific so we can help. You could try checking 'lsusb' like >>106236556 mentioned.

>>106236036
SteamOS is meant to be an OS which individual vendors will ship, and it's currently only compatible with AMD systems.
Valve does not want to work on supporting random people installing it by themselves.

>>106236004
It will never be relevant. It's literally just Budgie but only for Wayland.

>>106236657
Sure, if you use the Flatpak version.

>>106236817
Makes sense, who wants to wade into that bog, even Google abandoned all hope there.

>>106234789 (OP)
Not sure if to ask here or on /mu/, but here goes nothing:
What is the alternative to musescore now that it has become a shitshow infested by (((investors)))?
I need something FOSS and that can do tabs and notes simultaneously.
Tried to compile one of the 3.x forks, it is a PITA.

Thanks /fglt/

>>106236910
Google actually didn't. They made Chrome Flex:
https://chromeos.google/products/chromeos-flex/

The hardware support leaves much to be desired but they're trying at least.

>>106237081
*Or rather they bought the company that was making Chrome Flex and continued to operate it as a product afterwards.

>>106234266
Use --buildpkgonly and install the built binary package. Or just:
ebuild /var/db/repos/gentoo/XXX/YYY/YYY.ebuild clean compile install then copy them from /var/tmp/portage

>>106236657
>>106236752
**Please** try Kubuntu before giving up on Linux.
Don't judge desktop Linux by the meme distros.

I was running Debian for a while out of OS fatigue but I refuse to update to a version with a stereotypical troon name, even if that's supposedly a coincidence. What's the chuddest Linux distro these days? Artix? Gentoo? Something else I've never heard of?

>**Please** try my meme distro before giving up on Linux
>Don't judge desktop Linux by the meme distros
lol

>>106237390
Ugh, konqui is pure sexo...

>>106237390
This but Aurora Linux instead. Kubuntu is a meme distro.

>>106237418
Go full autism instead and build LFS

>>106237390
He didn't even say which distro he used. But yeah, KDE might make firefox use its own file chooser through that dbus nightmare garbage.

>>106237436
LFS is a pain to manage in the long term around software version upgrades unless you integrate a package manager, at which point you're 80% of the way to running whatever distro you used the package manager from.

>>106237418
Any immutable distro because trannies hate the inability to change themselves.

>>106237549
Not something you're supposed to update, just build and deploy once.

Why does Flatpak hardcode DNS resolvers in /etc/resolv.conf?

cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 193.138.218.74
nameserver 1.1.1.1
nameserver 1.0.0.1
nameserver 2606:4700:4700::1111
nameserver 2606:4700:4700::1001


I explicitly block third-party DNS resolvers so this broke DNS in one of my flatpaks.

I fixed it with iptables voodoo but this seems wrong. I don't know why it's not just using the /etc/resolv.conf from my host. It used to work fine so this broken behaviour looks new. I don't know what caused it.

>Fix/Workaround
#!/bin/sh

dest=10.200.1.1

iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport 53 -d 193.138.218.74 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53
iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport 53 -d 1.1.1.1 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53
iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p udp --dport 53 -d 1.0.0.1 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53

iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -d 193.138.218.74 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53
iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -d 1.1.1.1 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53
iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -d 1.0.0.1 -j DNAT --to-destination $dest:53

>>106237390
Based Ubuntu enjoyer

I still don't get it. I have never seen any OS or DE (besides apple) ever utter the words "extended dynamic range".
Am i living under a rock? And what does it do and how does it work still? I don't get it..

>>106237659
>flatpak
Found your problem. It's garbage waste-of-time tech that Linux dumbfucks obsess with.

>>106237723
Here anon, this is straight from the KDE display settings. From the looks of it it just adjusts your brightness and does nothing else.

>>106237779
It's not a waste of time for what I'm using it for though, it actually saved me a lot of time because I know longer have to worry about an app being outdated. For example, I like to run various PyQt apps but I also like to maintain an up-to-date Qt version (I'm currently running the Qt 6.10 beta). This is a problem without something like Flatpak because PyQt and Pyside, etc, development is really slow and doesn't happen at the same time as Qt development. Some times you are waiting for a long time before they update it.

Obviously, Flatpak is not completely perfect though. It does still have issues like this:
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/2855

They also need to do better about including troubleshooting tools for shit like this in the runtime. I used a static copy of Busybox to figure out it was DNS (nslookup not working properly) but there's no tooling in the base runtime for this.

>>106237828
A simple script starting the shit with LD_LIBRARY_PATH would have done the same.

>>106237805
>Here anon, this is straight from the KDE display settings
i can read myself thank you very much. But i see no difference with it turned off or on when viewing HDR stuff.
>From the looks of it it just adjusts your brightness and does nothing else.
I didn't notice anything. Not even that.
What is this tech wtf. There is almost zero mention of it existing. If its just adjusting the brightness then why does it only work on some displays??

>>106237843
Not really because my distro only allows one single copy of Qt to be installed and I'm not going to side-step the package manager to compile it myself.

>>106237659
flatpak doesn't provide its own resolv.conf. Take it up with the platform maintainer.

>>106237858
The whole purpose of Flatpak is to sidestep the package manager completely and to have multiple copies of Qt for example.

>>106237921
I'm aware. In practice it's the same people providing the runtime that develop the Flatpak tooling.

>>106237844
>If its just adjusting the brightness then why does it only work on some displays??
it would require a display with a software-controllable backlight

>>106237844
it depends on your screen being able to go brighter than what's normally allowed, and it requires calibration on most screens. Apple pre-calibrates their screens, meanwhile your randomly installed distro has no idea what random screen you're using out of hundreds of thousands of different displays that exist.

>>106237779
it's a huge time saver and headache saver for most people

>>106237928
Except it does so in a maintainable fashion. I'm not going to ./configure and install Qt by hand like a monkey. Not when I can use a nice user-friendly tool like Flatpak that does it for me. If I wanted something custom I could always build my own with flatpak-builder anyway.

>>106237957
Nobody said doing it by hand. Distributing tar.gzs of binary builds with a script using LD_LIBRARY_PATH is an older and robust way to distribute builds (perhaps of closed source stuff) for Linux.
This Flatpak garbage, and worse shit like Snap, is just extra complexity.

>>106237978
So now I have to go out and search for binaries like a Windows user and then pray and hope they built them correctly and don't have issues with system theming, etc?
No, thank you.

>>106237978
>Distributing tar.gzs of binary builds with a script using LD_LIBRARY_PATH is an older and robust way to distribute builds
>This Flatpak garbage, and worse shit like Snap, is just extra complexity.
Clearly the better method of installing software is thriving.

>>106237944
Every screen is nowadays.

>>106237945
Dunno. Don't think anyone would calibrate/map out a shitty t480 screen to fuck with the backlight in this way. And still i don't see a difference on newer displays that are supported by it.
Is there some retard friendly way to play HDR media? I know its retarded on linux but i still tried with MPV. No difference still when i tried supposedly HDR media.

>>106238023
.exe files? Mobile apps?

>>106238057
How do I control the backlight of my displayport monitor?

>retard screaming on twitter saying cheats on Linux are easy because you just need to run them as root and this makes them undetectable
>explain that just giving a program superuser doesn’t make it invisible
>proceeds to throw a temper tantrum and says kernel drivers aren’t a thing in Linux
>explain that they are and it’s extremely easy to make one
>blocks me


What is it about Linux that just turns people into this? They just have the most ridiculous assumptions about what you can do with it. The other day I had a guy saying Linux users can steal info from people in a server and that’s why you can’t play games on Linux, just really retarded shit.

>>106238060
>.exe files? Mobile apps?
Unironically yes, at least for archival purposes. I use appimages for the same reason.

>>106238075
It relies on the thing that controls power profiles on laptops and stuff i think. This option was missing for me too but then i installed it years back and now there i think because of it.
I mean if my shitty office monitor supports it i don't see why a newer one shouldn't.
But again i think that this was standard for a really long time now.

>>106238127
Dunno anon. My screen uses HDMI so i think its always there. But even older VGA ones supported this.

>>106238110
Snap: Canonical
Flatpak: Red Hat
AppImage: community project
It should be obvious which of these is the White man's application format

>>106238127
>some dumbass GUI screenshot
What is the xrandr property for this?

>>106235228
pewdiepie went with arch. if he can do it so can you

>>106238166
AppImage doesn't do theming properly. Flatpak and Snap do because they build with the KDE platform plugin/theme available.

>>106238206
Its called "Every screen made after 2016"
Just install the damn thing and see if it does anything for you. Why are you like this?

>>106238166
>Snap
When will Canonical abandon it and admit defeat to RedHat/Fedora like they always did?

>>106238221
Pewdiepie is unironically twice as smart as any retard here

>>106238268
Why are the things on the left all better? (Except Snap.)

>>106238261
>install the damn thing
Which thing?

>>106238320
the thing that controls power profiles.
Are you retarded? Can't you read? Every distro has another name for it.
https://gprivate.com/6hz0e

>>106238302
It hardly matters if abandonware is better or not.

>>106238368
Your attitude just shows you're a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about and who wants to waste other people's time with his bullshit.
If you don't know anything, shit the fuck up, loser.

>>106238401
You didn't know you could control your displays brightness until just now and thought you could add something to the question about EDR. Fucking retard toddler go back to chewing on your iFagpad and never come back.

>>106238442
I have one HDMI display that respects the brightness property, but my display port one does not.
In before you don't know shit and just post more results like an angry low IQ sharteen.

>>106234789 (OP)
I've done my share of CLI work in my time. But I notice every single time I do a fresh install of any Linux/BSD system that has more granularity to it I am always referring to the wiki guides and generally typing in the command set directly from the page with few adjustments. (My neck hurts, eyes are tired and a bit dizzy from swinging my head back and forth like I'm saying "NO"). Most of these walk throughs to install from a live boot have internet connectivity (sometimes not by default) but mostly always don't have the services available to connect to the machine. (Rustdesk and Teamviewer wouldn't be suitable obviously.)

Do I have to do the ssh service configuration and generate the keys every time?

Is there any alternatives like perhaps a USB cable from one machine to another for a basic terminal "serial" connection(like Cisco routers or headless Solaris.. I havent seen that kind of information on any wiki for a really long time.)
Whatever connection I'd establish to the system wouldn't matter once I chroot install the installation environment proper and would disappear on reboot once I completed the initial config and install?

Any thoughts, tips, tricks, ideas you all can share?

>>106237616
>supposed to
You can update software by manually compiling all you like. LFS is just manually deployed Gentoo.

>>106238541
You can, but you'll run into dependency hell really fucking fast.

>>106238485
So i didn't post about how some DP versions support it and some don't? That's news to me.
And how the fuck is my HDMI connection supposed to help you fix your issue when you yourself have an working HDMI port to look at? Also ignore the possibility of different display servers making things even more confusing. xranr doesn't tell me shit btw.
Fucking retard the first answer i got was in the same tone. Why would i respond to retards any other way?
Have fun fumbling with the buttons on your monitor to change its brightness mr EDR expert.

If only there was a very polular linux related wiki talking about just the shit you can't figure out. Damn that would be embarrassing.

Hello anons, Ubuntu first-timer here
I'd like to know if Ubuntu, out of the box, can do something akin to Windows' "minimize to system tray". I'm asking this because the recently installed Telegram does indeed appear there (in the system status area), but still takes up space at the dash bar. Is it a normal behaviour?

>>106238726
even in windows this is an application feature, the application has to support it. there's nothing in linux that prevents it and i have a few programs that can be minimised to tray

>>106238726
>minimize to system tray
You mean what steam is doing here right?
Assuming the program itself supports it its not really distro dependent but more something the DE does. If you are very fresh and can spare the effort just get kubuntu instead. It runs the best desktop environment out of the box. You don't see people recommend ubuntu like they used to. Its sorta shit to be honest. Even if it can do the tray thing by default. Just a general recommendation.

>>106238660
tl;dr reading your posts is a waste of time because you know nothing

>>106238751
>>106238726

>i can't use google but you are stupid or something
>a section under every DE explaining this and an entire page dedicated just to backlights is not enough me
>i deliberately chose a distro that doesn't include these things and now im confused

Is the AUR down?

>>106236487
Probably. I like Mint for a no fuss. For Kde it’s harder to find it seems. Debian 13, Kubuntu, Fedora branches. If you wanna use rpm stuff then fedora for sure. But I think silverblue is atomic? So have to rely on flatpak

been using linux since the 25th of last month and so far i dont see any reason to ever go back to windows there isnt a thing i have wanted to do that didnt work and now that the rumor is that windows will stat requiring age verification im really thinking thats it for me i WILL NOT provide my ID to boot my own machine

>>106239042
What distro do you like using anon?

>>106239052
endeavour OS with hyrprland and the KooL configuration

>>106238965
down for me too

>>106239042
huh, it was that painless for you?
Most people bitch and moan about some shitty game or adobe stuff not working.

Don't want to spoil the fun but redhat and the like are making shady moves so you gotta think before jumping on the next big thing. Some are saying its M$ at it again too.

Fight's not over just yet sadly.

>>106239070
Good choice. Arch based stuff should acquaint you to every thing very quickly. Welcome to the team.

>>106239042
I switched to Linux like 20 years ago because I thought Microsoft was bullying its users too much.
I still think Linux is shit, but Microsoft shit is shittier.

>>106239087
This led me to learn it's mirrored on github, with each package living in its own branch
https://github.com/archlinux/aur

>>106239129
2030 is the year of the BSD desktop. Trust the plan.

>>106239128
ya it was pretty painless even PCVR through my quest 3 works using ALVR and i will ever use adobe cause i dont use software as a service applications

>>106239170
>even PCVR
Damn. Only thought valves stuff works perfectly but i have been proven wrong. How are you keeping the latency low over the air? Do you have some 5g wifi card in your computer to connect the heatset to or is that overkill? I only have experience with wired VR.
>i dont use software as a service applications
I think that will never have issues with linux if you have that mindset. Uncucked stuff works perfectly on here.

Can undervolting a card really cause it to catch fire?

>>106239221
ALVR has a wired mode now so thats not even an issue and ya i cant stand bewing told what to do or when something has little annoyances that are clearly on purpose so i really like linux

>>106239153
>https://github.com/archlinux/aur
nice to know, i touch the aur less and less these days, i'd rather build from source now

>>106239257
>lower voltage
>higher amperage
>more resistance
I don't know how the card-internal power supply works, but I guess it's possible in theory? But without knowing about anything about it, most likely it's just some shit about not enabling the fans when they should run, and the resulting thermal build-up causing havoc.

>>106238592
Isn't the whole build process a dependency hell to begin with?
>>106239257
Generally speaking when you got a voltage drop but want to maintain the same wattage, amps go up -> more heat.
Have no idea on computer parts but that's what my electric moped did, picture relates and it threw an occasional error code on "controller overcurrent".

>>106238726
If you've installed the regular Ubuntu, this feature is not supported because the desktop environment Ubuntu ships with (GNOME) does not have this feature. You can use a GNOME extension to add it in. It's as simple as clicking "Install" in your web browser.
If you want to use a non-shit desktop environment (and stay on Ubuntu) use Kubuntu instead of the regular Ubuntu. Kubuntu uses KDE Plasma which is pretty much the standard desktop environment for most sane Linux users.
But if you're happy with GNOME, then just keep in mind that a lot of it's functionality relies on you using extensions, because GNOME developers and designers are very opinionated in what a desktop environment should look like and behave like.

>>106236487
I mean, you'll still receive updates as frequently as you want them. The only difference is that Silverblue is an atomic/semi-immutable distro so it separates the user software from the system by nudging you into using Flatpaks, Appimages, etc. This way you're not required to update your system before installing something.
I'm actually still using Aurora 41 (basically Fedora Kinoite 41) on one of my computers. So, I haven't updated it in over 6 months now. I probably should, but it's not a device I'm using on a daily basis.

>>106236556
>>106236813
Reread my post. Sorry that I wasn't clear.
With a cable I get the "trust this computer" function but nothing happens.

>>106239302
I assume you feel this way about FOSS in general? Anything less and you are compromising on your freedom in some way.
Its the main reason why i switched. Stuff like privacy issues and updates against your will are just a symptom of being cucked by licenses.

>>106239371
Interesting thought. At first i thought that less heat would just prolong the inevitable with buggy games and hardware but it could accelerate it too actually.
This is not the first time games are frying cards this way however and if i recall it was because the card had extreme but short power spikes under specific circumstances. This happened with stock cards too however.

>>106239257
No.

>>106239371
Transistors are quantum bullshit not brushed AC motors. Their power consumption changes proportionate to dV^2

help me with this:
ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS
6.14 hwe kernel
vbox 7.0.16
x11
nvidia 550 driver
win11 guest
Bidirectional clipboard doesn't work most of the time
host to guest ok
guest to host also ok
It's driving me insane having to tick each option every time.
Also probably related I get occasional random freezes in the host while using the vm.
Steps to troubleshoot it?
Is there a safe combination of ubuntu + kernel + vbox that makes this shit work?
Only requirements are: version must be higher than base 24.04 and I must be able to fucking run this win11.ova machine from work, this is due to compliance with my workplace policies.
Please help.

>>106235041
Anyone?

Assuming you have domain privileges or know the remote client credentials, In a windows file explorer you can access remote windows filesystems via the \\X.X.X.X\c$ method.
Commonly referred to at least in my sphere as "'C dollarsign' or 'C money'"
Assuming you know a linux root password or any credentials, is there a similar method to access linux filesystems via a file explorer like that?

Or is that file explorer method just a fancy way of wrapping the SFTP protocol into a windows GUI format via the existing file explorer? Doing the obvious test of \\linuxhostIP\$ or \\linuxhostIP\\$ does not work thoughbeit if its because the sshd is disabled that would make more sense

Is there any recommended CLI file manger with remote file support (NFS/SMB/SFTP)?
I tried yazi and ranger and both don't seem to support two pane view

>>106235041
>>106239504
It just werks?

is nyarchlinux usable?

>>106239552
why not just apply an anime background to whatever distro you use?

>>106239564
Its about the message

>>106239564
it wouldn't have the catchy distro name

>>106239584
what message?

>>106239607
That you are out of the closet and are ready to be pozzed now.

>>106239607
nyaaa

>>106238751
>>106238785
>>106238844
>>106239385
Oh well, thanks anons... Does low level stuff like drivers work fine with KUbuntu, if intended for vanilla Ubuntu? It's not like I have a lot of stuff in my dash anyways.

>>106239534
No, when you try to scrape a post that have an outside link it doesn't follow that.
For example some posts have a dropbox resource that have to be downloaded.

>>106239637
No shit, why would it follow links that are in the text?

>>106239643
yeah, that's why I'm asking how.
>scrap and download URLs in kemono party posts

>>106239521
what about lf or nnn? i use nnn

>>106239659
The gallery-dl devs would probably put the blame on kemono for not integrating this off-site content.

>>106239625
This is all assuming you even need to add custom repositories for some specific driver but if kubuntu has some specific repo for something its probably best to use those instead of general ubuntu ones.
I think that you could still install things from ubuntu repos but there might be version or dependency mismatches causing issues.

Everything is handled via GUI anyways nowadays. Chances are that even the proprietary nvidia driver is installable via it.

>It's not like I have a lot of stuff in my dash anyways
Sorry but im a little confused. How does this relate to the driver question? Drivers have no impact on such things.

>>106239521
GNU mc

>>106239521
two pane view on a tui file manager sounds like bloat tbqh
doesnt your terminal native panes, or tmux panes get the job done?
lf has a shared socket for multi-instance and yazi also has multi-tab support

>>106239625
Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same distro, literally identical just with a different desktop environment pre-installed. They're 1:1 compatible with everything. Only the default software is different, so instead of Gnome apps you'd have KDE apps.
It's kind of like comparing Android with a launcher pre-installed to Android with a different launcher pre-installed.
The only difference between different *buntu versions is are you going to use the LTS release (supported longer, mainly intended for servers and work machines) or the non-LTS release (gets feature updates faster, mainly intended for desktop use).

hmmm gallery-dl seems to work for coomer though im starting to think this shit it why it seems to go down randomly

>>106239719
>Sorry but im a little confused. How does this relate to the driver question? Drivers have no impact on such things.
I just kind of mass-replied, apologies. The dash/system tray thing was intended mostly for the other 3 anons. I have a drawing tablet whose manufacturer release drivers solely for Windows and Ubuntu. Hence my question. But its driver also falls whitin the 'hide in tray' issue, so...

>>106239828
doesn't kubuntu ship KDE stuff way quicker however? If i remember correctly they release the newest stable version immediately unlike most other distros.

I want to switch from debian to something else but I can't decide. Arch = spaghetti shit, Void = tranny trash, Fedora = big corp backed trash. Fuck me I guess I can't switch. Maybe Gentoo, but I've used it for years and I don't want to compile shit all the time.

>>106234789 (OP)
There was an x11 program to view network connection endpoints and their bandwidth usage. More traffic is a bigger circle iirc. Anyone knows its name? Alternative programs are welcome too

>>106239873
NixOs or OpenSuse Tumbleweed then.

>>106239694
tried both.
Shit

>>106239710
yeah I agree this isn't gallery-dl problem.
Unless there's other tool that do that.

>>106239873
That's why I'm still on Debian. I can still tolerate their fucking bullshit I know so much and intimately.

>>106239747
abandonware
>>106239750
>bloat
why is it wanted feature in most in most TUI file mangers then?

>>106239873
>spaghetti shit
you don't like pasta?

>>106239844
Ahhhh. Most manufacturers don't bother with testing their hardware on every distro ever made. Ubuntu is just the standard they use. Chances are its already in the mainline kernel, aka supported on almost every distro out of the box. And even if its not somebody has probably already made a package for whatever distro you end up using. This goes for all drivers btw.
What tablet is it? If its wacom its practically guaranteed to work without you doing anything but even other brands just work very often.

>>106239873
Try arch regardless and see why everybody is shilling it. Distro hopped a lot when i was new and arch is just the one i came back every time.
If not then why do you even want to switch? Debian is also perfect.

>>106239940
And if the tablet wont just work out of the box there is also the open-tablet-driver project. Its not as relevant today as it was back then but i would be very surprised if even with it your tablet wouldn't work.

>>106237433
Aurora Linux sounds like a literal meme distro unlike kubuntu which is just ubuntu+kde that at least one eceleb uses

>>106237659
What happens if you bind mount /etc/resolv.conf from your host into the flatpak as read-only? Is that possible with flatpak? i know its possible with bwrap which flatpak is based on.
Flatpak shouldnt even be doing this in the first place and seems like a massive oversight

>>106238221
Pewdiepie actually started with mint on his main rig and uses arch on his old laptop to tinker around with.
... Which is basically what everyone else probably did when they first used linux.

>>106239849
>If i remember correctly they release the newest stable version immediately unlike most other distros.
No. The LTS version doesn't update it until you upgrade to the next LTS. So you're only updating your KDE Plasma every 2 years and you're often not even upgrading to the version that's available at the time. The non-LTS version does the same, except you're upgrading every 6 months in that case.
KDE Plasma being updated way too slow on Ubuntu is the reason why KDE Linux OS exists now ( https://kde.org/linux/ )

>>106240037
You really think people start with 2 different distros on 2 machines? Seems unusual.

>>106240037
I've been using Linux for 12 years now and I've never used Arch. The closest thing I used was Manjaro and SteamOS.

>>106240060
I started off with using mint/ubuntu in a vm, then on my main pc, while also using an older spare pc to try out arch and some other manual distros like debian

>>106240056
I confused the update cycle with kde neon, sorry for any confusion.
Still they have some tweaks that are just nice to have out of the box right? Like firefox using the qt file dialogue by default or am i confusing something again? Still better than getting ubuntu and migrating to kde yourself as a noobie i think.

They even have the same guy behind them.

>>106239940
>>106239966
>What tablet is it?
I feel it is already breaking itself (the driver, that is). If I simply rest the pen tip somewhere without touching the tablet's surface Ubuntu kind of spazz the cursor all the time, apparently to the corner of my screen. GIMP has issues with sliders... I knew it would be a challenging jump from Windows to Linux and I want to avoid changing distros to the best that I can, but it is already haunting me

>>106240126
I think they don't tweak it too much, but they do have the proper file picker and dialogue box in Firefox. It's been over a year since I've last used it so I don't remember exactly.

>>106239940
>>106240192
Oopsie, forgot to mention: it is a Huion tablet (H610X)

>>106239873
gentoo is arch but actually stable, and with way more features/customization/freedom
its not corporate garbage, despite being sponsored/funded by a ton of corporations who benefit from gentoo, packaging is pretty much decentralized since anyone can run an overlay or just write local ebuilds (and actually incorporate them into a system without shitty manual PKGBUILD updates), and now gentoo even has binaries for basically everything x86_64.
compiling your own shit is actually worth it in a lot of cases, but for other things its a pain (rust, chromium, llvm, webkit, etc...)
i don't consider software i can't realistically compile all the time to be truly free, since its not designed with end-user compilation in mind.
>>106239625
i had to deal with ubuntu exactly once in my life, that was about 2 months ago.
i installed it on a spare thinkpad because i needed it for gay proprietary bullshit lunix foundation certificate exams, and it unironically required more tinkering (and 200 times more guesswork than actually using your brain/reading docs) to make it work.
wayland is of course a broken piece of crap, i can't remap keys properly, X11 just blackscreens, turns out gdm is broken and i'm supposed to use lightdm, gdm is required for the default screen locker so i had to replace that one too, other screen lockers don't play nicely with GNOME because "usecase unclear, you don't need this", repos are a fucking pain in the ass to deal with, dependency hell left and right, i can't even install ungoogled chromium because there are no backports for very specific versions of dependencies, its pretty much a broken system without flatpak/snap or other (also broken) third party package managers.
who the fuck would willingly use this garbage?
my biased assumptions that ubuntu and fedora are the biggest reasons for wintoddlers switching back to windows after trying out GNU/Linux have sadly been confirmed.

>>106239521
you know you can mount nfs and sftp into a directory with plain old 'mount' or 'sshfs', and use whatever file manager you like, right?

>>106240301
And do you know how poor the performance is?

>>106238102
Here is a message for whoever even considers proprietary client-side video game "anticheat":
I don't want proprietary rootkits on my GNU/Linux, go fuck yourself and shove that proprietary ""anticheat"" botnet malware backdoor into where the sun doesn't shine, proprietary piece of shit.

>Linux users can ! Linux LE BAD!
they hate GNU/Linux because it actually gives users freedom to do whatever the hell they want on their own computers. proprietary software is infamous for having zero security whatsoever, all "security" they have is just by hiding and obfuscating shit, aka security through obscurity. every expert (actual expert, not rajeet from microsoft) will tell you that this is a horrible security model because it's literally a swiss cheese full of holes, anyone who cares enough to decompile your proprietary crap will find your vulnerabilities, backdoors, etc...
usually, the people who decompile proprietary software are the ones who actually WANT to find vulnerabilities, be it for money (bug bounties, or selling the information to skids) or other reasons. if your code is free as in freedom (or "open source"), any random person can look at it, and chances are that pretty much all of your vulnerabilities will be found sooner or later if there are a thousand eyes on your code.
compare this to the 5 pajeets working at microsoft who wrote this crap, and the other 10 people who are decompiling it to find vulnerabilities.
anyway, proprietary game devs are pajeets who only hide their code from the public because they are ashamed of their spaghetti code quality, and because they are too retarded to actually write safe code. anyone with the slightest bit of competence will implement server side anticheat and not rely on obfuscated proprietary shit with literal rootkits on all clients to do that job, its ridiculous. if it isn't merely incompetence, then it's straight up malicious intent, trying to backdoor you and spy on you.

>>106240270
>and it unironically required more tinkering (and 200 times more guesswork than actually using your brain/reading docs) to make it work.
Simply because you're not used to it.
>wayland is of course a broken piece of crap, i
That I agree with.

>>106238102
>>106240387
If you are genuinely worried about users of your software having the freedom to do what they want on their own computers, then that says a lot about how shitty your security is, and how much of a creepy control freak weirdo you are.
My computer, my choice. Why would I let a random piece of shit decide what I can and can't do on MY computer?

>>106240198
Its just my go to distro i use on live usbs to test hardware. Coincidentally i also used it to check if the digitizer in my laptop would work before i bought it.

>>106240192
>>106240205
Try the open-tablet-driver. The only driver i see people install the way you do, which is straight from the manufacturer i assume because of the icon tray(no native driver does this btw), and its not really known for being stable.
You basically use whatever is in your distros repository and that's it. To be honest it should just work without you installing anything however. I have a gaomon and its immediately recognized in KDE. And before that was the case i used open-tablet-driver and it worked. But even when i had no drivers at all for it, osu lazer somehow still read the damn thing and worked. Maybe its the shitty DE ubuntu has by default that won't show you its working out of the box but tablet support is pretty good now. Its all handled through the wacom driver now i think which is really good and despite its name is not bound to wacom. Try kubuntu. I really don't see why it wouldn't work. By default linux should work with it and KDE has pretty deep integration with tablets. Don't install anything and just try your tablet in the live session.

>>106240270
what would you recommend anon instead? Debian?

>>106240327
i don't know what you mean, the performance is very good, you literally mount nfs natively because its already in your kernel, and everything works fine. for sftp, its literally ssh so i don't see why you wouldn't mount that into a dir either.
the only thing bottlenecking me is my network speed here, i use sftp with sshfs every single day, for backing up stuff, for my torrents because i can't fit 40TiB of storage into 1 thinkpad, and for having a "shared cloud" or whatever zoomers would call it (except not retarded)
>>106240388
i'm used to tinkering, but gentoo literally just works if you follow the handbook and actually read the manuals. ubuntu meanwhile doesn't tell you that the DEFAULT UNMODIFIED SETUP is a broken piece of shit and randomly blackscreens when trying to start X11, requiring you to replace your login manager.

Can someone explain how session creation (logging in) works on modern Debian? For example what sets XDG_RUNTIME_DIR? I login on the console and run "startx" manually, so I have XDG_SESSION_TYPE=tty even on X. Does that cause any shitware to do the wrong thing?

>>106240448
>Try the open-tablet-driver.
no don't. Do the kubuntu thing first. open-tablet-driver is the last resort as the official one doesn't even work properly like you say.

>>106240448
debian is even worse, dependency hell everywhere, literally broken without 3 other package managers to fix outdated crap, useless package manager, and the maintainers being full on woke.
i'd recommend gentoo for anyone who doesn't mind reading for a while and actually investing some time to get a reward, for grandmas i'd recommend openmandriva (if it would actually work, because the maintainers are conservative boomers who are too busy having 20 babies per day, so its very WIP)
my opinions are partially biased against woke crap and towards projects that simply don't care, because it actually does reflect on the quality too.
>nooo saar, you need rust, noo you can't call it 'master' branch, you WILL use wayland, you WILL use gnome!

>>106240450
exactly the kind of shit i had to deal with on debian/ubuntu, and why i don't like either one.
actually good question, i'd like to know this too, so thanks for asking before i did :)

>>106239875
i don't know about X11 programs like that, but i personally use nethogs

>>106238844
theres https://github.com/mbt/alltray for this btw

>>106240270
>i can't even install ungoogled chromium
>without flatpak/snap
Well there it is the issue, I'm a noobie and installed it. Perhaps not in the best practices way-of-things, but it's working

>>106239405
Can you see it in your file manager? The drive I mean.

What about the command 'lsblk', see anything different when you plug it in versus unplugging it?

>>106240448

Here is how tablets should work. And gaomon is smaller than huion so the chances of somebody making your tablet work are even larger. This is all out of the box. Linux has this basically built in.

>>106240448
>>106240461
>just try your tablet in the live session.
Well that won't hurt to try, thanks anons. While I already have some installed I guess it still is not too late for changing my distro of choice

>>106240581
why would i use flatpak or snap, its an abomination and a bastardization of proper package managers, even apt and rpm are less shit than this.
>yes please, i want to install all dependencies 20 times
>yes, i want random proprietary garbage from flathub and proprietary snap backends to infect my system without any license filtering
>yes, i want all the proprietary crap to have full r/w access to my home by default but not even pick up my gtk theme due to "sandboxing"
>yes, i want worse performance
>yes, i want to launch my programs with "flatpak run --some-arg nig.ger.somebullshit" instead of "somebullshit"
>yes, i want 2000 dummy filesystems mounted because of snap's bullshit
statements dreamed up by the mentally ill and deranged.
STOP DOING 3RD PARTY PACKAGE MANAGERS.
SLAPPING DUCT TAPE ONTO BROKEN OPERATING SYSTEMS WITH BROKEN PACKAGE MANAGERS AND BROKEN REPOS IS NOT GONNA FIX THEM!

>>106240614
btw there are already some people on your case. From what i read it already works but shortcuts don't want to be easily re-assigned.
New hardware needs a bit before the open source drivers catch up sometimes but im surprised its taking so long for a totally completed driver.
I guess this is what happens when companies don't cooperate with existing infrastructure.
Nvidia learned this lesson the hard way too while amd and intel were getting all the users. Here its wacom cooperating from what i can see.

>>106240732
also look into x11. It works better sometimes with these things. But this was all the advice i can give on this topic now. You know as much as i do.

>>106240732
>David REVOY changed the description 4 months ago
Based French Bob Ross, friendly reminder to read Pepper & Carrot, the CC-BY open comic about a cute witch and her cat

>>106240449
>everything works fine
no dumb dump.
those file manger expect the files to be on the disk and not over network, even if the kernel support it natively the slow IO make it slow to respond

>>106240628
they have played us for absolute fools

>>106240796
He actually tested anons tablet under linux https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1072/huion-inspiroy-h610x-review-on-gnulinux
>friendly reminder to read Pepper & Carrot, the CC-BY open comic about a cute witch and her cat
Cute. I will.

>>106240732
>>106240765
Alright, thank you very much for your attention, anon. I will probably give Kubuntu a spin tomorrow or this weekend. For now I want to play around a bit with my new rig, as I barely had time to since I assembled it (past friday)

>>106240829
its literally faster than most hard drives, and NO FILE MANAGER accesses raw block devices like that, this would be NT tier shitware.
>slow to respond
like what, 2ms more than your blazing fast nvme SSD? (still way faster than a hard drive if your network storage is on SSDs, or even on always-spinning HDDs)
literally everything just works fine with sshfs, i haven't seen a single program that caused me trouble aside from qbittorrent with weird configs for messing with how it writes to the disk (something that shouldn't even be done in userspace btw)
>>106240853
so much this, i don't need third party package managers on WORKING operating systems (that means gentoo, and perhaps arch if it wasn't spaghetti code)

>>106241017
I don't know what to tell you man.
I've tested myself and it's slow.
>like what, 2ms more
No like 3-6 seconds slower, and this is over 1GbE and on SSD.
So there shouldn't be any bottle neck
>sftp
needless overhead from encryption and decryption

>>106240628
I jumped ship from ubuntu when they started moving major packages like firefox to snap.

Is it just me or does Mint have better audio than Windows? Sound crisper, more clarity, but I'm not sure if it's just placebo.

>>106238498
This kind of thing?
https://giddi.net/posts/creating-a-debian-12-live-usb-with-serial/
I’d just move my monitors and keyboard

>>106236817
>Sure, if you use the Flatpak version.

Thanks I'll give that a go.

>>106237390
I've discovered I can still drag and drop from a Nemo window into the file upload dialogue, which is an easy enough work-around for me, at least till Firefox gets gtk4.

I would like to try Kubuntu properly sometime though; I liked KDE with SUSE way back in the days of ndiswrapper; will be interesting to see how it's evolved. Thanks for the tip.

>>106239750
Norton Commander had two panes
it’s pretty useful for setting up two locations for copy-from and copy-to

>>106234789 (OP)
Debian 13. Do I still have to set MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 on KDE/plasma before launching (latest) firefox?

>>106241061
then you must be doing something very wrong, because its even fast over proxies on the other side of the planet for me.
>you dont need encryption
nfs
>>106241138
windows has a broken audio stack, pipewire may be garbage but its still less shit than windows.
it might be gay filtering going on on windows, or just pipewire actually picking up your soundcard's native sampling rates, playing audio back at native rates rather than resampling everything to 44.1kHz for no reason
>>106238498
yes, look up "serial to usb adapter" on ebay or whatever chinesium site you prefer, afaik you also have to give it kernel parameters so it actually boots with a serial tty.
i use a serial cable on my 'important shit webserver' because i'm paranoid about ssh, i have a real serial port on my motherboard and only use an usb adapter for my thinkpad, but it should work with 2 usb to serial cables too. just make sure to get an adapter so you can plug 2 serial cables into each other, afaik male to male adapter but i'm not sure (serial ports are inverted gay vga cables with only 2 rows of pins)
depending on what kind of cable it is, it either directly plugs into another serial port, or it acts like a serial port that takes a serial cable. i have one that just has a female serial port at the end, so i need a serial cable behind that, but those adapter cables are generally short so i won't complain. if you have trouble getting them to stick together, you can use nuts and bolts, or just take a thick copper wire and bend it once you shoved it through there like i did.
heres what i have in my kernel parameters:
console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200
you might have to change this to ttyUSB0 because its USB, i'm not sure.
on your client (i.e. thinkpad), run this:
screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
^a ^d to detach, screen -r to re-attach, ^a K (shift+k) to kill
(you probably have to run screen as root if you get a permission denied error)
oh also hotplugging serial cables mostly works even if unintended.

>>106241233
Never mind. It's not needed after firefox 121

>>106240540
>nethogs
will look at

>>106238498
You can use a literal serial cable with some boards, sadly they're disappearing. There are probably tons of other ways to automatically setup a headless installation, like starting with a network boot.

>>106241339
worst case is that you niggerrig something together yourself and just use jumper cables + duct tape.
if it works, it's not stupid!

>>106239924
>abandonware
It's finished.

>rsync: [Receiver] mkdir "/usr/lib/vst3" failed: Read-only file system (30)
This is telling me that my usr/lib folders are read only right?
But I went through and did chmod +w on both of them.

>>106241476
you actually need write/execute permissions on the directory above it

>>106241476
I'm trying to run a .sh install script
Is there a command I can give to it so that it just gets permissions it needs and I don't have to manually change permissions myself?

>>106241629
first of all read the script and make sure youre not running random malware
second, run it as root
either run 'su root' to log in as root, or run 'sudo $COMMAND' ($COMMAND being something like './install.sh')

>>106241640
Its an install script for an audio plugin
yeah I use sudo but the command still fails because it claims that /usr/lib/ is read-only. and I've done chmod +w on every folder in the chain going up to the root folder

>>106241196
i understand the purpose, what I'm saying is your terminal provides this feature these days.

>>106241668
Did you fall for the immutable distro meme?

>>106241683
bazzite because I wanted to get away from windows and people told me it just works

>>106241668
what distro are you running, some atomic/immutable crap?
or do you have /usr on a separate partition, maybe mounted read-only?
try manually running 'sudo touch /usr/lib/testfile' (and 'rm /usr/lib/testfile' if it works) as root to check.

>>106241683
>>106241695
you beat me to it.
immutable distros basically have a read-only root, its retarded and breaks shit, it prevents you from customizing anything, and its a pain to do anything with. try a normal distro, fedora is ALSO immutable sadly, but most other things shouldn't be.
just stay away from ubuntu/debian and you're good.
also, 'gaming' distros are generally a meme, you're better off with a general purpose distro that doesn't throw in 8 gigs of bloat.
if you don't mind typing a bunch of commands and reading a wiki, archlinux
if you actually want to learn things and don't mind spending even more time to get a ton of customization, gentoo.

>>106241724
>fedora is ALSO immutable sadly
Traditional Fedora is mutable though.

hi, sorry to ask about a really stupid issue, but I don't know where to start, google is kinda failing me. Running Ubuntu 22.04
I had a brief power outage, PC was asleep on a decent Furman surge protector, and hung up right after (or before? I'm dumb sorry) boot/efi, which read OK but also 0.0% complete and had some timestamp after. I restarted the PC manually, it boots to desktop, but with some kind of failure during boot, too quick to read. I opened music software and nothing is listed for any ALSA device, which struck me as very strange. Then I noticed I have no Ethernet connection, and I'm kind of at a loss. Did it not load certain essential drivers? Is there an issue with the motherboard? The router and network connection is fine with other devices. I was gonna install Debian testing instead of the next LTS but damn wasn't planning on having to migrate so soon. If I have to get a new fucking mobo I might kill myself.
At least just where to start, I don't even know where to go. Should I rollback to the previous kernel and pray or something? Is there a way to check the efi if that's an issue? It's not like it failed to find it or anything, or gave a specific error about it. Sorry anons if this belongs in /sqt/ but I really wish I knew more about what I should even check for
I did apt list --installed | grep linux image and only see two listed: 6.8.0.60/65-generic
Shouldn't there be hwe something or other as well? grep linux-modules seems to be normal. I'll be very happy if this is just because I had to manually rollback a kernel and reinstall because of some stupid xbox controller github nonsense and not that I accidentally my motherboard by running the oven and the washer and dryer at the same time on a 100a breaker like a retard
pls tell me I'm just a happy little retard and not a poor unfortunately unlucky dumbass

>>106241724
Jesus christ
I just wanted my ableton plugins to work
I'm gonna have to setup a dualboot with windows 10 because although I enjoy learning things about linux, I wanna do gamedev and I can't stand being unable to work with my windows audio plugins and ableton live

>>106241763
your mobo should be fine, try reinstalling your kernel and regenerating your initramfs. maybe reinstall your bootloader too. it sounds like hdd corruption to me, probably your boot/EFI partition or some kernel modules.

>>106241798
you shouldn't dual boot winshit, but you should install a distro thats actually meant to be used for something other than 1 single usecase. thats like installing some embedded garbage OS for a smart fridge on a desktop PC, then expecting to develop games on it.
oh also, please release your game as free software (free as in freedom, not free as in price) under a free license like the GPLv3. you will do yourself and everyone playing your game a big favor.
ableton is proprietary so it wouldn't surprise me if it intentionally doesn't work on lunix, i don't produce audio but a producer friend of mine told me ardour is pretty good, no idea about plugins though.
its generally a bad idea to become dependent on proprietary software of any kind, because all of it is bound to become garbage like adobe software some time in the future, it will restrict your freedom, it will ask you to pay a subscription for something you already bought and 'own', it will spy on you, it will break shit that worked before, it will lock you into 1 operating system (usually windoze or macOS), etc...

How old are the packages on Debian Testing? I'm a Windows user and I've tried many times to switch to Linux but I always come back.
Now seems to be a good time to switch to Linux since you guys are having a massive influx of users and the consolidation of many good tools (proton for example). It's also the best OS to play with local LLMs.
With that in mind the age of the packages seem to be very important, since things are getting updated quite often, and from what I understand Debian is known for being a super stable OS with old packages to maintain said stability.
How does a Debian user keep up with the newest stuff? Alternative repos? Aren't those unverified and rather dangerous?
Thanks.

>>106241798
>and I can't stand being unable to work with my windows audio plugins
Please take a look at this before thinking about windows again
https://arch.osamc.de/#packages
https://lsp-plug.in/
http://calf-studio-gear.org/
https://kx.studio/
And install vcvrack
https://library.vcvrack.com/

>>106241835
ah maybe I can just put arch on my other SSD instead. Honestly I don't have the same love of perfect optimization of my hardware the same way other guys do. I just don't like microjeets as a company and like to get away from FAGMAN companies whenever possible.
part of my problems do seem to be that bazzite puts guardrails up to prevent shit from breaking. These same guardrails preventing from installing custom compatibility layers that can get windows plugins to work.
I've got 2 devices anyway, worst case I just reinstall winblows.

>>106241800
Thank you anon. So, if I download .deb packages for the kernel on another computer, I should be able to install them just fine? No dependency issues, it'll all be kinda self contained?

>>106234789 (OP)
does anyone here have experience with qubesOS or qubesOS+whonix? from my understanding, it is an operating system that can run other operating systems inside of it. like a VM manager, but better.
i would like to know how the experience is with the OS, what its general use cases are, what it can do etc.
i would also like to know about its nvidia support. would i be able to run qubes on my multi-GPU machine learning PC? right now i just use mint and it works fine with all of my GPUs, but qubes just seems very interesting to me

>>106241798
Why can't these plugins be in user paths like ~/.shit/?

>>106241964
the problem is that trannies and big tech are currently doing everything they can to sabotage free software. here are some examples:
rust
GNOME
freedesktop
wayland
flatpak/snap/pip/all third party package managers
garbage packaging like on ubuntu
"user friendly" nonsense that randomly breaks and just gets in your way, not telling you where the problem is, just as bad as windows, keeping users computer illiterate and not actually letting them learn how to fix anything if shit breaks
systemd
pulseaudio
XDG
GTK
QT
valve infecting almost every lunix computer with their steam malware
if you want to get around any of that, you have to do it yourself, and it WILL cost you some convenience, which is why almost no distro is gonna do that by default.
with gentoo, you can choose how much potential convenience but unnecessary broken bullshit you want to have. i chose to remove wayland and rust from my system entirely because i don't want to touch any of that, but systemd and pipewire are actually nice, so i like to keep those and don't want to go with meme distros that don't actually give me a real choice. i don't want hyperbola to tell me "YOU HAVE TO use a BSD kernel" or "YOU HAVE TO use openRC", i'm not a kid.
this is more important to me than optimization, optimization is just a nice bonus for me to have.
i don't want rust in my kernel, and i can realistically kick it out without doing everything manually.
i don't like uganda donation popups in vim? i can write a 5 line patch to remove this automatically, which will persist during vim updates or reinstalls.
and yeah bazzite has 'guard rails' for 12 year old zoomers who would run random malware off the internet, preventing them from running an obfuscated 200M "minecraft_free_download.sh" that fucks up their system entirely.
oh also FYI, bazzite has a tranny mascot, keep in mind that this distro is specifically trying to appeal to kids.

>>106242038
Have you considered just installing distrobox on whatever distro you are running now

>>106241798
You can simply install a different, non immutable distro. Your data at home should be safe, provided you have a different partition for them. Should be noted that the config files are stored there as well so you shouldnt lose anything.
There's an ongoing effort to shill immutable distros and there's always some poor soul that ends up forcefully figuring out why some people dislike them
That said it sounds a bit strange that you're forced to install these extensions in /usr/lib
>>106241837
>How old are the packages on Debian Testing
Most distros have a website that tells you the current version of their packages for stable, testing, etc, if you want an accurate answer for a specific case. The general answer is "it depends" sadly. Debian released a new version recently so stable has about the same package versions as their testing branch.
>How does a Debian user keep up with the newest stuff?
Backports (packages recompiled from the testing branch) and flatpaks. Your mileage may vary.

>>106242002
it should be fine, check 'man apt' if there is some argument to overwrite/reinstall existing files though, i forgot if that exists but you probably want that if anything got corrupted.
also, its probably easier to get a bootable USB drive and chroot into your install, im not sure how debian handles this exactly but it should work similarly to other distros. if you dont know what a chroot is, think of it as a fake root. you boot off a usb drive in this case, and chroot into your real debian install to fix something broken. you use the kernel from your usb drive, and everything else from your debian install. this is very useful for unfucking non-booting installs, or simple stuff like you forgetting to install networking stuff.
chroots aren't just intended for this though, theyre also used to make containers on your normal system, you can install whatever you want in a chroot and have a more or less sandboxed environment (not actually bullet-proof-secure like a vm, so don't use that for testing malware) that runs with its own root dir but your already booted kernel. this is good to do things that would mess up your whole hard drive with 20000 unnecessary dependencies (like java development, android cancer, haskell, etc)
>>106242052
probably some proprietary nonsense, no idea, but good question, who the fuck hard codes plugin paths like this system-wide?
oh and if you want to avoid dependency issues, make sure to get the same .deb version of whatever package you're reinstalling, even if its outdated. fix things first, you can update everything later.

>>106242099
never heard of distrobox

>>106241837
Read up on debian freeze periods too, they affect both testing/sid

>>106242099
>>106242125
wait why would i want to use distrobox? it looks interesting, but are you suggesting that i use it as a complete replacement for qubes? does distrobox have pcie passthrough?

>>106241837
Don't use testing retard. Arch is the most idiot friendly distro for LLM toys, and I say this as someone with no respect for Arch.

>>106241837
Testing is shit. You get a distro nobody cares about with slightly outdated unstable packages and no security fixes. Debian Stable is stale. If you want to pretend that Debian has a rolling distro, use Unstable. Of course it breaks sometimes (because it's "Unstable", get it?), and Debian folks will smugly tell you that it's your fault for using the Unstable stable and that they're not responsible.
I use unstable, and it's not so bad. Most regressions come from new releases of packaged software, not debian itself.
>How does a Debian user keep up with the newest stuff?
Either use unstable, a different distro (Ubuntu is very similar, a bit shittier, but faster release cycles), or be someone who doesn't need new shit.

>>106242131
That usually doesn't matter. Updates slow down months before the release (and if you regularly update you wonder what's happening because I sure don't care about debian releases). Then, when the release is done, they will suddenly push hundreds of new releases, often with major bumps, which is a wild ride.

>>106241837
Wouldnt fedora be better?

>>106241800
Okay holy shit thanks anon. A bit of dependency fun with iucode then Intel microcode, amd microcode, and modules-extra. But now all my drivers work!! Thank you so much anon. It did end up being linux-image-generic-hwe that I was missing

>>106242314
im glad everything works now, no problem :)
also what the hell did debian maintainers smoke to name the packages like that lmao

>>106242437
I'm getting kind of sick of it desu
Arch really isn't hard? I do a lot of music production and don't really like thinking about my desktop much. I know enough to kinda bumble my way through it, I started putting dots together midway through my first post and you reminding me that it really just is as simple as reinstalling the kernel helped a lot
But yeah I dunno. Some time back an anon gave me a list of things to install that would give me this same 22.04 desktop env in more or less any distro. Maybe I'm just dumb but I kinda like the whole feel of it, or I'm just used to it and don't care much about its downsides. I've had snaps obliterated for a long time hence naturally thinking of moving to Debian but I dunno, whenever I've had issues trying to find a package in apt it's such a headache with the names. Maybe it's time to just embrace what mostly everyone else is using, I've started to notice the search results that are more up-to-date are more geared towards arch these days

>>106238498
what's the reason for installing them so often? after a certain point you might want to consider an administrative image (as windows calls it, idk if there's an equivalent name for linux/bsd deployments). that is, a custom installation image with your frequently added changes already part of it.
also, if you do it that often, why do you need to follow a guide every time?
>Is there any alternatives like perhaps a USB cable from one machine to another for a basic terminal "serial" connection
yea, actually, you can get usb serial adapters, put one on each end of a serial cable. i'm not sure how common it is for a serial console to be enabled ootb however.

there are alternatives to running the installation on the target machine itself as well. often i will just take the hdd out of the machine and plug it into mine to do it locally or in a vm. if that's not feasible i have also run my personal livecd and run NBD on it to share the block device with my machine over a network (effectively like mac's target disc mode)

there are many ways to achieve this, look broader than "how do i control a stock livecd remotely"

>>106242663
arch isn't hard if you know how to use a terminal and can figure out partitioning yourself
tl;dr, if you want MBR/BIOS boot:
1GiB ext2 boot partition, enable the bootable flag, the rest being ext4 root (or ext4 root ontop of luks if you want encryption)
install and configure what the wiki tells you, dont forget something to have working internet (like NetworkManager), install additional stuff you need like X11 and a window manager or gpu drivers, generate an initramfs and install grub, now youre basically done.
if it boots fine and you didnt forget anything, continue and configure your WM, install some things, do whatever you like, and update it once in a while (every 1-14 days is fine)
if you want a desktop that just werks, i used to recommend KDE, but that turned to shit too. if you like oldschool desktops, you could try TDE (TrinityDE), its basically KDE3 but maintained.
>give me this DE on any distro
you mean GNOME? you can install GNOME on any distro really, but its the most broken abomination i can think of, you really shouldn't be using gnome if you want features, because gnome is literally sabotage to the linux desktop.
they refused to add thumbnails to the file picker for 20 years, you STILL select files when pressing space in the file picker unless you click on the text input bar, the search doesnt remember your file sorting (i want newest files on top, NOT alphabetic), gtk is a piece of shit, they don't want you to use custom themes in their programs, they don't want you to replace their rounded corner window title bars that have gay close buttons that don't extend all the way into the corner when maximized, and if you dare to ask them for any features, emanuel bassi (aka ebussi) will tell you something along the lines of:
>you don't need this.
>do you REALLY need this?
>usecase unclear
>case closed
>this discussion is getting too heated, you don't need a system tray, period.
but if you really want gnome, you can install it of course.

>>106242663
>apt headache
this is why i dont use debian, debian/ubuntu are broken distros with broken repos and a broken package manager, i don't like dealing with a dependency hell.
arch has literally everything (and half of the shit in the AUR doesn't work), gentoo has almost everything, and if it doesn't have something, its very easy to package it yourself. anyone can run an overlay, you aren't bound to some shitty centralized AUR that kicks out your DRM removal freetard package while keeping literal malware in.
>up to date
debian is painfully outdated, arch is kinda outdated but still breaks stuff somehow, meanwhile gentoo lets you actually choose which version of a package you want to install, and some packages have 9999 ebuilds too (master branch, you get updates literally the second some change is made in a git repo)
gentoo usually has 4 kinds of stability for packages. stable stable 9the green ones that are unmasked by default), testing ones (yellow, the ones you have to accept unstable ~ keywords for, usually they work fine but they arent debian-stable tested), and red (either explicitly marked as broken, or just 9999 ebuilds that could break randomly, accept ** keywords for those)
arch just throws you testing repos that randomly overwrite your stable main repos with all of their trash, you don't get to pick.

>>106243170
>you don't get to pick.
To be fair that's the job of the maintainers and it's their responsibility to issue packages that aren't borked.

Is there any issue with having both Podman and Docker installed at the same time? I installed Distrobox and it pulled Podman as dependency, but my job requires me to use Docker.

>>106243265
Podman's a drop in replacement for Docker ain't it?

>>106243265
No.

>>106243279
Someone nagged the managers about some weird permissions issues present on the MSSQL image that don't happen in Dockar once, so they just rolled out Docker for everyone. I didn't care to scrutiny it at the time, whatever the retards want. Just wanna know if both of these can be installed at the same time without they stepping on each other through some service/dependency or whatever.

I am trying to keep up the best I can... but man opinions vary greatly. What is the most overall recommended distro to run? I've looked at stuff like Mint, Pika, Cachy. Just a lot of personal opinions that don't help with the indecisive (me).

>>106243358
Most distros are the same, Flatpaks and containers have made the differences irrelevant. You should focus on hardware support provided by the packaged graphic stack offered by the distribution most of the time. How old is your hardware? newer hardware requires more fresh distributions like Fedora or Arch. If you're using Nvidia, is better to stay within Ubuntu or whatever else they support like one of their clones, at least until you have enough experience to deal with their custom driver thingy.

>>106243494
I have a full AMD system (7700 + 6700xt). Thank you for replying btw.

>>106243358
Opinions vary depending on the needs and expected behavior. Its pretty hard to get into details because you dont know the ecosystem yet.
We can make a simplified version
how updated do you want your system to be?
>latest stuff, including bugs that have yet to be spotted
arch(not recommended unless you understand what you're getting into), fedora
>dont care about updating at all?
debian
>middle ground?
ubuntu, mint
The rest are derivatives and more or less follow the same patterns as their parent distro

>>106243512
What's with the whole SNAP debacle? Is is really shit or something? I don't mind using a retard distro but telemetry and spyware is kind of why I want to leave Windows.

>>106243506
I would recommend mainly Fedora (needs minimal configuration to add 3rd party propietary codecs; use the Gnome edition if you've very straightfoward needs and don't plan to customize anything much nor care about a taskbar or lots of multitasking, the Plasma edition otherwise) or Linux Mint Debian Edition (good gateway to learn about Debian, very reminiscent of early Windows 7, no overwheilming choices to do cause they only offer Cinnamon).
For any of these you can use the Live Session to test whatever before truly installing them (nothing persists there after you shut it down). Just burn the ISO into an USB stick and boot it from your BIOS/UEFI boot device menu. You'll be prompted to choose what to do (check a Youtube video first if you want).

if i think windows is gay, mac is gay, lunix is gay, and all other bsds are gay should i jut kms

>>106243528
An issue people have with them is, for example, firefox. Installing it through the package manager will give you the snap version of it (this should not be a thing, installing from your package manager should give you the native version coming straight from their repo, always) and some people have issues like stuttering and overall bad performance on the snap versions.
This is one of the reasons why people prefer mint over ubuntu.

>>106243578
>should i jut kms
yes, because user mode setting is deprecated

>>106243585
I probably should clarify, the package manager installing snaps instead of native software without indication is an ubuntu specific issue and no one else does it as far as I know.

>>106243566
>>106243585
Thanks for replies. If I can run emulators and do basic computer tasks I will be happy. Only stupid new game I care about playing is Everybodys Golf... but I guess I can keep winshit10 for just that.

>>106243614
i think i will live
my butt buzzes with some weird activity

>>106243645
isn't that a playstation 1 game?

>>106243673
ur one

>>106243673
Yeah there are some on PS1. This is a new entry out on sept 4th.

>>106243713
huh didn't realise it was an ongoing franchise, only remember seeing the playstation game. i'm not into golf though

which version are you using in windows? looking around it seems they're all only on playstation except the upcoming one. you can of course run psx/ps2/ps3 emulators on linux

>>106243779
Yeah if the emulators work fine on any distro then I will be happy! I might just have to keep my Win10 partition for the new one coming out or something.

>>106243816
Emulators should work the same regardless of the distro. If the emulator you're looking for isnt in your distro's repos, check flathub.

In less than <24hrs this thread's nearly hit bump limit. Is there some news I missed?

just an update
i'm the anon from >>106230853
the one who has an Atom N455 Samsung N150 Plus netbook
so far, im using Ubuntu Mate 22.04 specifically (along with a 5.15 Kernel), as suggested by an anon, to use 5.x.x kernel
surprisingly its much smoother to browse, except youtube, of course
i've install h264fy in firefox, set it in 480p, it's useable
but for reading, browsing the board
so far, so good

i might return to try Q4OS/MX Linux with this kernel to see if there's a huge difference

I'm trying to download images from gnupluslinux.com with galley-dl but it says unsupported URL

>>106243947
i was about to question whether 480p h.264 was as good as that can do, but looking it up i didn't realise just how awfully slow Atoms are. i could play 720p h.264 youtube on my 2005 laptop with a pentium m, but according to userbenchmark that n455 is even slower than /that/

>>106244037
i'll probably only use youtube if i'm desperate as hell to watch something when using this netbook but so far i think it's a passable portable browsing machine, i can browse other boards without much issues
my only problem for now is the scale since sometimes i cannot see the lower side of a window when toying with the settings

Is Aero Shake a thing on Plasma yet?

>>106244261
i don't think i've seen someone use that on purpose. it's always something i disable when i accidentally do it like sticky keys

Okay Linux frens, does anyone know if there is a program that can properly monitor the 12V2X6 pins of an Asus Astral 5090 (probably some other Asus GPU models like Strix / TUF may have it, or other models like a 5080 or 5070Ti, but not sure)? Then again some anons said that this is a feature only used in Strix / Astral so I could be wrong.

On Windows, it can be viewed via Asus' GPU Tweak III utility. Pic related over on the right. Mouseover it and it shows the exact amperage of each pin/wire. like
>Pin1 - 0.34A
and so on for all of them. This is a way to be sure that you are not going to fuck up and melt your cable or anything hasn't gone shitty with power delivery. The little green lights apparently change to yellow or red if they are way too high or too low, like if you had a couple wires with no power and others making up the slack pulling way too much etc. I find it unique that it mentions its 12VHPWR and if that is because it can detect the difference between a 12VHPWR and 12V2X6 PSU that is even more impressive (Mine is the former, I have an ATX3.0 PSU, before ATX 3.1 with the 12V2X6 became available).

In any event, if this Asus GPU Tweak III software is pulling down all that data, the card must be feeding it to the OS somehow. Is there some Linux util that can pull it down properly? If it could also monitor and control the temps, fans that would be great; lighting control would be cool as well but its Asus AuraSync so I assume that most utils for that on Linux should be able to read that aspect, so the pins/voltages and the other stuff is really the most important. Anyone?

>>106234789 (OP)
why is pcsx2 so trash on debian? I have a genuine ps3 controller, which required some calibration, but otherwise works perfectly fine on every joystick test except actual ps2 games. Even the pad test "game" pcsx2 made detects the joysticks correctly.
I tried using xboxdrv and removed the sony module, but I still have the same issue.
Enabling analog doesn't work.
Everything works fine on windows btw, but I don't want to use windows.
I also don't want to pay for a PS4/PS5/Xbox controller until I am certain they would work on my machine.

>>106244376
You should be using the nightly AppImage from the PCSX2 website if you're on Debian. That or the flatpak.

>>106244376
>debian
Oh boy. Just dualboot Bazzite or Bacotera and save yourself the headache.

>Just dualboot Bazzite or Bacotera
>You should be using the nightly AppImage

>>106244353
If the "sensors" utility (packaged as "lm-sensors") doesn't show it out of the box, you are likely out of luck.
Thing is hardware sensors are extremely low level devices so even if you get a reading it could be all bogus as some manufacturers could've soldered resistors and whatever the fuck to their boards.

>>106244394
I am using the latest pcsx2 (2.5.105 released TODAY). I will try nightly and see if that helps.
>>106244402
There is nothing wrong with debian. I played PS2 games just fine many years ago on debian, but that was back in the plugin days (lillypad I think).
>Bazzite
>Bacotera
Which one is better? I only use windows for 2D steam games and PS2 emu.

>>106244441
Damn. I hope its there, then. I know that some other utilities for CPU / GPU overclocking, tweaking, and monitoring were out there and I thought went farther than "standard" sensor outputs, but guess i'll have to see. I remember some utils like MangoHUD and LibreHardwareMonitor usually had some pretty decent amount of sensor data, but maybe it was all predicated on what sensor package you were talking about? Or did they add their own stuff?

Also now that I think of it I've been on an Intel Haswell-E for the last decade or so and recently built an AMD 7950X3D based PC that I had parts laying around for awhile. Is there a utility similar to RyzenMaster when it comes to overclocking, setting various parameters, monitoring of the CPU? Or something testing/stressing modern hardware like AIDA64 or OCCT? Holy fuck just looking up the name I saw that OCCT has Linux support now! Still it would be cool if there was something comparable but FOSS, but apparently it doesn't even have a bunch of dependencies or need to install, just execute so that's neat.

>>106244420
Yes, debian is trash if you need to connect a game pad, especially a knock off. Ubuntu connects the bluetooth controller even in the live installer, but might still have pcsx2 issues.
Even android is better than debian in this case, since most game pads work OOTB with retroarch.

>>106244511
>Bazzite
SteamOS-like experience. Look up Emudeck and see if you like it.
>Bacotera
Turns your computer into a dedciated emulation machine with focus on older consoles.
Bacotera uses wine and Bazzite works through steam/proton.

>updates available
>press update
>restart
>kwin is crash looping now and everything is flashing
>flameshot can't screenshot anymore because it jumbles my screens on launch
I'm guessing nvidia driver
I'm really fucking close to just going back to windows at this point, every day is a different issue I'm tired bros

>>106244751
>>updates available
Debian doesn't have this issue.

whats your opinion on fedora?
I wanna try another distro but arch seems like too much since I can't just set and forget and have it work without requiring regular maintenance

>>106234789 (OP)
What distro for a barebones, headless NAS/Media Server/Home Lab? I'm using Debian but I find it too bloated, 685 packages just for a bunch of services and containers with no X11/Wayland is too much. I tried Void and Nix but they require way too much tinkering and manual editing. Is there anything rock solid based on Arch for minimalist server installs? I love the idea of Gentoo but I don't have the time to compile a whole system on an i3-12100

>>106244778
number of packages is a meaningless measure

This is able to automatically generate snapshots before/after DNF transactions, but the snaphots still don't show up in grub. What's missing? This is Fedora btw
sudo dnf -y install snapper python-dnf-plugin-snapper libdnf5-plugin-actions

sudo tee /etc/dnf/libdnf5-plugins/actions.d/snapper.actions > /dev/null <<'EOF'
# Get snapshot description
pre_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c echo\ "tmp.cmd=$(ps\ -o\ command\ --no-headers\ -p\ '${pid}')"
# Creates pre snapshot before the transaction and stores the snapshot number in the "tmp.snapper_pre_number" variable.
pre_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c echo\ "tmp.snapper_pre_number=$(snapper\ create\ -t\ pre\ -p\ -d\ '${tmp.cmd}')"

# If the variable "tmp.snapper_pre_number" exists, it creates post snapshot after the transaction and removes the variable "tmp.snapper_pre_number".
post_transaction::::/usr/bin/sh -c [\ -n\ "${tmp.snapper_pre_number}"\ ]\ &&\ snapper\ create\ -t\ post\ --pre-number\ "${tmp.snapper_pre_number}"\ -d\ "${tmp.cmd}"\ ;\ echo\ tmp.snapper_pre_number\ ;\ echo\ tmp.cmd
EOF

sudo snapper -c root create-config /
sudo btrfs subvolume delete /.snapshots
sudo mkdir /mnt/btrfs /.snapshots
sudo mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid /mnt/btrfs
cd /mnt/btrfs
sudo btrfs subvolume create snapshots
cd ~
sudo umount /mnt/btrfs
sudo rmdir /mnt/btrfs
echo "UUID=$uuid /.snapshots btrfs subvol=snapshots,compress=zstd:1 0 0" | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
sudo systemctl daemon-reload
sudo mount -a
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default $root_id /
sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rootflags=subvol=root"

sudo sed -i \
-e 's|^\(NUMBER_LIMIT\s*=\s*\).*|\1"10"|' \
-e 's|^\(TIMELINE_CREATE\s*=\s*\).*|\1"no"|' \
"/etc/snapper/configs/root"

>>106244777
Pretty much a perfect distro, people have problems with Fedora's creators not the distro itself.

>>106244778
>rock solid
>Arch
>minimalist
>server installs
Thanks for the laugh anon. Debian net install is as barebones as you want it to be, there's alpine as well.
>using package count when distros split things as they see fit
i hope you realize how worthless this is as a metric

>>106244778
TinyCore or Alpine
>>106244885
rub-a-dub-dub

>>106244885
grub-btrfs?

>>106244777
Its been my distro for a few years, no real complaints. Havent had to fiddle with my PC since back when I set things up, since that seems to be your question.

>>106244778
>685 packages just for a bunch of services and containers
Well uh 250 is what a typical Linux system needs to even boot so ~700 isn't that much.
>wants software
>wants it in less packages
That's not what reduces bloat. Having stuff more atomic is a good thing.
>I love the idea of Gentoo but I don't have the time to compile a whole system on an i3-12100
Compile it on a better system then, been doing that for various other systems on my 32-thread system with 64GB of RAM.
>>106244835
This.

>>106244885
Partitioning snapshots for small updates, is a bit of a overkill.

>>106245135
btrfs snapshots are very small; they're pretty much just metadata when they're first created. And I also put a limit of 10 snapshots as well.

God why is there so much mixed messaging about how to rollback to a btrfs snapshot? I have a snapshot with an ID of 268. I want to roll back my OS to this snapshot. I can boot into this snapshot just fine, but it's read-only. I need to make this snapshot a, you know, working OS. Writeable and all.

>>106240581
>Perhaps not in the best practices way-of-things
It is. Ignore the autistic retards who complain about it.

>>106240628
>yes please, i want to install all dependencies 20 times
It's better to have 3 different versions of the same dependency and have all your apps work, than have 1 version of the dependency and be locked out of using half the software.

Distro maintainers being software publishers for all user-facing software was always a completely retarded idea. Flatpaks, Snaps and Appimages are the superior way to distribute user-facing software and it's not even close.

Also, a lot of software bundles dependencies within it's binary anyways. You can't run away from dependency duplication no matter how hard you try, unless you want to use minimalist software only and majorly inconvenience yourself.

>>106242038
>>106242139
What he's saying is that, unless you want to run Windows inside one of those Qubes VMs, you're better off not having to deal with the overhead of virtual machines. In the case of distrobox you don't need a pcie passthrough since you can access your GPU directly.
Qubes is meant to be a security-focused OS. You'll probably find some parts of it very inconvenient compared to just using a regular distro and distrobox for containerization.

>>106244835
>>106244912
>>106244924
>>106245059
Thanks everyone for your input. I will stay in Debian and stop worrying about number of packages, shit just works.

>>106245275
>use Debian
>want aMule (yes, people still use eDonkey network)
>install package "amule"
>get the GUI client and nothing more (aMule daemon and other tools are packaged separately)
VS
>use Arch
>want aMule
>install package "amule"
>get the whole aMule suite along with daemon and remote client and other utilities

>use Debian
>can pick various systemd components separately

>use Arch
>can't pick various systemd components, have to keep the entire suite installed
See? Not saying Arch is bad or anything but just pointing out the package count doesn't tell you everything. Then there are the *-dev packages...

>>106245300
Yeah, guess you're right, the grass always looks greener on the other side. I will try deborphan and debfoster and trim all the unnecessary fat. Other than that I love this thing, been stable as a rock for 2 years now.

>>106245198
Here are my btrfs notes I put together by almost bricking my system a few times:

Root rollback:
On Fedora you can do it with snapper
sudo snapper --ambit classic rollback $snapshot_number
However that doesn't work on Arch for reasons. Here's how I do it on Arch (@ is the root subvolume)
sudo mount -t btrfs -o subvol=/ /dev/disk/by-uuid/$root_uuid /btrfs_toplevel
cd /btrfs_toplevel
sudo mv @ @.broken
sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot /btrfs_toplevel/@snapshots/$snapshot_number/snapshot /btrfs_toplevel/@

Reboot
sudo mount -t btrfs -o subvol=/ /dev/disk/by-uuid/$root_uuid /btrfs_toplevel
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default /btrfs_toplevel/@
sudo btrfs subvolume delete /btrfs_toplevel/@.broken

>>106245198
It's normal for a snapshot to be read-only, you're not supposed to change a snapshot. But when reverting your system to it you should be able to make changes to your system. Unless you're doing it manually instead of using a GUI tool for this, in which case you're probably booting into the snapshot in read-only mode. In this case, run this:
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default 268 /


Replace the "/" with whatever path you're using snapshots on.

>>106244751
>kwin is crash looping now and everything is flashing
That's how I image using KDE is like. Really the only sane way to use Linux on the desktop is to use an ancient window manager without compositing and configuring the hell out of it until you like it. Only retards fucking work on Linux GUI things.

>>106243528
There is no debacle, you won't find a Flatpak in a corporate environment.
Neckbeards are mad that the less efficient and feature-handicapped Flatpak didn't fulfill it's promises after falling for them, that's all.
No company you ever heard of publishes Flatpaks of their software.

>>106245390
>sudo snapper --ambit classic rollback $snapshot_number
It creates a writeable snapshot, but after a reboot, I'm still in a read-only session.
So, I entered this then:
sudo btrfs subvolume set-default IDFORNEWWRITABLESNAPSHOT /
But I'm still booting into a read-only session.
>>106245418
See above.

>>106245478
>No company you ever heard of publishes Flatpaks of their software.
>open Flathub
>in the top 10, official releases or officially endorsed releases: Mozilla, Discord, Telegram

>you won't find a Flatpak in a corporate environment.
You won't find snaps either. Unless you're a developer using GUI software, in which case you'll find both.

>>106245478
Visual Studio Code (that jeet editor for web devs) has a snap link on its download page. You can also get deb, rpm, tar.gz, but no flatpak.

>>106245506
>Mozilla, Discord, Telegram
Ok, that's on me for setting the bar so retardedly low.
>You won't find snaps either. Unless you're a developer using GUI software, in which case you'll find both.
Help me find the official Flatpaks for aws-cli, gcloud, Slack, PyCharm/IntelliJ, Eclipse.

inb4 Unverified

Is there a way to get remote machine to show application started with ssh on it's own screen?

>>106245498
I found a solution. Luckily, I still have write access to /boot/loader/entries/, so I edited the subvolume in the conf files to instead use the subvolume of the writable snapshot.

>>106245584
yes

>>106245694
How?
Because setting the DISPLAY value to :0 didn't work.

>>106245708
you'll also need to set XAUTHORITY to the correct file as well on most systemd

>>106240450
$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set and created by logind

>>106245712
I have that as well

>>106245712
most systems*

>>106245708
Make sure it doesn't use wayland and the ssh user is the same user as the X session is running under.

Is the AUR timing out for anyone?

>>106245718
Can I get rid of logind? I'm on debian.

>>106245725
I'm using the same user, and I'm on wayland.
>linux still can't handle multi users multi graphical sessions

>>106245742
>and I'm on wayland.
Shitland doesn't use DISPLAY, although it probably runs xwayland so it should work for X clients.

>>106245732
Yeah it's a known thing for the past couple of days, no one knows why yet.

>>106245732
works here

>>106245742
>linux still can't handle multi users multi graphical sessions
it does, not sure why he said it had to be the same user outside of perhaps not having permission to read the xauth file
>I'm on wayland.
can't help you with that one

>>106245582
>inb4 Unverified
Yes, no developer gives a fuck.

>>106245742
>on wayland
I had trouble with this too trying to start sunshine
You need to set different variable
export WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0
This thread is mostly bots talking to each other now, you barely get any helpful advice.
Also make sure there's a display connected AND turned on.

>>106244953
God dammit grub-btrfs still won't show snapshots. God dammit!

>>106240017
Not possible. That was the first thing I tried:
F: Not sharing "/etc/resolv.conf" with sandbox: Path "/etc" is reserved by Flatpak


If they're going to reserve /etc/resolv.conf then I think Flatpak at least needs to start offering a static override for it that doesn't rely on whatever fallback behaviour is broken here (it's supposed to use either Systemd or NSS as far as I know, I'm not using Systemd resolved on my system though, just a static /etc/resolv.conf).

It's not clear to me where this behaviour is even coming from and why.

>>106240732
>Nvidia learned this lesson the hard way too while amd and intel were getting all the users.
Find it hard to believe nvidia would care about losing linux users when it accounts for a small marketshare percentage

>>106241798
Lmao dont listen to that other faggots post its full of shit
Nothing wrong with using ubuntu/debian, and anyone who says you should avoid it or use shit like bazzite should have their opinions discarded

>>106246278
I wonder if I am seeing an issue with flatpak-session-helper like this person?
https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/4268

In my case I don't have any symlinks though.

>>106243265
They can work together side by-side without any issue. Distrobox also supports using docker as far as i know. Wierd that your job strictly requires you to do docker when 99% of docker can be done in podman, arguably better than docker can thanks to rootless containers.

>>106246370
Sure enough:
cat $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/.flatpak-helper/monitor/resolv.conf
nameserver 193.138.218.74
nameserver 1.1.1.1
nameserver 1.0.0.1
nameserver 2606:4700:4700::1111
nameserver 2606:4700:4700::1001


I have no idea how that file came to be like that and why it doesn't mirror /etc/resolv.conf. I wonder what happens if I bind-mount /etc/resolv.conf over the top of that?

>>106244778
I'm currently using alpine though sometimes it feels like somethings missing due to lack of systemd.

>>106245734
Logind is part of systemd. What exactly is the issue with logind setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ? lots of stuff rely on it to be properly set such as pipewire and dbus.

>>106245584
On xorg you just need to set the env variable DISPLAY=:0
On wayland you would also need to do WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-1 or whatever its set to

>>106246103
i wasn't trying to be unhelpful, i just don't use wayland

>>106246414
>What exactly is the issue with logind setting XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ?
In this case my main problem is the incorrectly set XDG_SESSION_TYPE. Also sometimes mounts a bunch of pseudo FSs (via Fuse) and starts some retarded xdg demons. The Fuse things are especially bad. I once thought I got hacked or found a kernel bug because root couldn't access or delete them. I don't want that to be started automatically.
> lots of stuff rely on it to be properly set such as pipewire and dbus.
Pipewire is trash. dbus is fucking trash. Anything that Windows has is superior to that fucking garbage.

>>106246503
Your de/wm should be setting XDG_SESSION_TYPE and has nothing to do with XDG_RUNTIME_DIR , which one are you using?
Dbus is a hardcore dependency of systemd

>>106246525
>should be setting XDG_SESSION_TYPE and has nothing to do with XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
Pretty sure the same thing sets them when I login on the console.
>which one are you using?
startx + icewm
>Dbus is a hardcore dependency of systemd
I dream of moving to a non systemd system. I still wouldn't be able to get rid of shitbus, because so much software depends on it unnecessarily.

Whats the
bwrap --bind $HOME/.config/mozilla $HOME/.mozilla
Equivalent for flatpak?

>>106246560
Icewm should be setting XDG_SESSION_TYPE for you once you've started the session
Sounds like a bug with icewm but pretty sure that project got discontinued so it'll never be fixed

>>106246587
sudo mount --bind /home/USER/.config/mozilla /home/USER/.var/app/org.mozilla.firefox/.mozilla


Except you shouldn't normally want to store configs outside of ~/.var like that. The whole point of Flatpak's structure like that is portable configs per-application in a single directory ~/.var/app directory.

>>106246625
It's maintained. Even if not, there's no reason for it to break.

>>106246587
"flatpak override"

>>106246642
So flatpak cant handle it directly the same way bubblewrap can even though flatpak uses bubblewrap?

>>106246665
I don't think it allows you to setup your own bind-mounts, no. It only allows you to expose other parts of the filesystem, not re-locate them.
You may be able to run flatpak nested inside of bwrap to accomplish what you want but I'm not sure if that will work.

>>106246675
>>106246665
Yes, apparently this does work:
bwrap --dev-bind / / --bind $HOME/.config/mozilla $HOME/.mozilla flatpak run --filesystem=$HOME/.mozilla --command=bash org.kde.Platform/x86_64/6.8

>>106241798
The whole point of immutable operating systems is that you don't change your system files because that's an almost guaranteed way to break your OS, especially if you have no idea what you're doing.
Bazzite "just works" for people who don't ever intend to change their actual system files, so most people. As soon as you start fucking around with your system files you're an advanced user, so you either use distrobox or you don't use an immutable distro.

No matter which distro/OS you use, it's best practice to not fuck around with system files anyways. No matter if the OS is immutable or not.
So, if you want to stay on Bazzite, try setting up your work environment inside distrobox since it's basically built for this purpose. If that doesn't work, then you can just switch to Fedora KDE Edition or Nobara, since those two are the non-immutable equivalents of Bazzite.

>>106241964
You'll have more headaches with Arch than you will with Bazzite, honestly. But you do you. Just try to find whatever works the best for you and ignore the retards trying to start flame wars by calling distros shit. Try things out yourself.

>>106246710
Would this work?
bwrap --dev-bind / / --bind $HOME/.config/mozilla $HOME/.var/app/org.mozilla.firefox/.mozilla flatpak run org.mozilla.firefox
The reason i'm asking in the first place is self-explanatory i think... bwrap was the only way i knew of to deal with ~/.mozilla and i just wanted to see if i was able to re-use the same directory for flatpak firefox as well.

>>106246762
Yes, at least as far as I can tell it works. I think it is a bad idea to share the same ~/.mozilla directory between Flatpak and non-Flatpak versions of Firefox though, especially if they both end up using the same profile.

>>106246780
>I think it is a bad idea to share the same ~/.mozilla directory between Flatpak and non-Flatpak versions of Firefox
Think that only really matters if the major release version of firefox between the two are different such as 141 and 140 but the issue wont happen between point releases like 141.1.1 and 141.1.2

>>106246842
It'll probably be fine but you could run into issues like the profile being locked or getting corrupted somehow.

>>106246860
I can see that only happenining if you were running two firefoxes at the same time

I'm new to Hyprland and xdg portals are frustrating me to no end. Trying to use Pcmanfm-QT as my file manager and I've got it working except for when it's the file chooser it has no icons. Has anyone else encountered this and fixed it by chance?

>>106246927
>xdg portals
lmao, trash nu-linux tech

might be time for new bread

>>106246942
Enjoy your thumbnail-less file picker

>>106234789 (OP)
I got 32bit debian setup on my vaio ux along with trinity desktop its pretty comfy, anyone know what mpv options i need to get it to run nicely? see hw in the neofetch its an old machine. I can paly 360p video in youtube on firefox but on mpv the video lags and i get audio desync, the yt website is giga bloat and slow so but can cope with the palyback so id imagine mpv should be able too ive been running with --ytdl-format=18 to get 360p i assume i need some options to make it run nicely on this hw

New thread >>106247023

>>106247021
--profile=fast for mpv or profile=fast in mpv.conf
there's also hwdec=auto-safe but your system might be too old to support any hw acceleration