Thread 106288713

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards. Issues still reported & latest BIOS doesn't protect new CPUs.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
ASUS WOLED with TrueBlack Glossy film launched (XG32UCWMG, XG32UCWG). Limited availability.

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

9950x3dGods, are we worried about Intel?

>>106288790
I'm worried about them defrauding investors with fake claims and digging themselves a deeper hole

INTEL WON

288MB L3 CACHE, AYYMDEAD 96MB CUC_K CACHE SIMPLY CAN'T COMPETE

>>106288862
nice
i hope this helps to lower x3d ryzen prices

>>106288871
QFT, there is no good excuse why AMD can't have an entire product stack of X3D chips at various core counts/price points available day 1 instead of milking the product line with drips through China-only channels or MicroCenter-only allocations months apart like they have done.

>>106288862
Hopium

>>106288790
I wish, but no. Some competition would be nice..

Building my first pc since 2012 or so (good old days of having a HD 7870), could anyone help me out a bit?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWxpwY
Context: I'm upgrading to a rig after being stuck with a laptop for the last several years now. My main goals with my build is to be able to edit+render videos decently well with the possibility of gaming on the side.
The GPU is that one because I'm mostly into old games and fine with playing stuff on low settings, so I'll just be using the one a coworker said he'd give me for free.
I'm in europe and my budget is around that 1k range including the monitor, any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks

also if anyone knows a good wifi adapter, I'm open to suggestions, I'll be stuck on wifi for a few weeks at least

>>106289018
>The GPU is that one because I'm mostly into old games and fine with playing stuff on low settings, so I'll just be using the one a coworker said he'd give me for free.
>I'm in europe and my budget is around that 1k range including the monitor, any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks
What country (or countries if you have easy import access)? I usually default to Deutschland when assessing EU bilds/making recommendations but with more specificity it helps to know what's available in your local market.

I bought a used 3090 for 550 euro, put a waterblock on it because it sounded like a hair dryer under load (4000 RPM fans wtf) and it seems like there's no point in buying another gpu until maybe the 60 series from novideo.

>>106287875
That's the price equivalent I'm seeing used 5700x3Ds listed at (300CAD locally, the 5800x3Ds go for 400+). I take it it's not worth it
>>106287929
>>106287833
I do see a couple open box XTs for about that (220 here with warranty) It's seeming like the better deal. I'm not pulling the trigger right this second, so there's time for things to change, but at least I know what I'm looking for. Thank you all.

>>106289028
>>106289028
>My main goals with my build is to be able to edit+render videos decently well with the possibility of gaming on the side.
The GPU is that one because I'm mostly into old games and fine with playing stuff on low settings, so I'll just be using the one a coworker said he'd give me for free. I'm in europe and my budget is around that 1k range including the monitor, any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks
Normally I like to talk new buyers down to a cheaper more efficient price/peformant build but in you specific case I'm making an exception.

#1 Intel's Arrow Lake isn't the best all-around/gaming release compared to either what it was suppose to replace or AMD's offerings but the sole exception is in the realm of video editing/encoding where it stomps everything. The 20-core 265KF slightly beats even the 12-core 9900X let alone the slower Zen 4 variant in the 7900X while being a good deal cheaper than either as a result of price cuts Intel was forced to make on account of how poorly received at launch it was.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/11.html>>106289018

#2 Since this is a video editing rig you'd really benefit from some kind of 4K monitor to preview HD/UHD footage with GUI tooltips. It's makes the workflow process much smoother.

Combing #1 & 2 this is my suggestion as a starting point: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/DDpCXR
You can obvious make changes and it it's a little over your budget that you aren't comfortable splurging I'd suggest going slightly cheaper on the CPU just to be able to keep the 4K monitor upgrade. Also this is DE pricing so if you have access to imports from other EU nations check them on PCPP's market selector in the upper right corner of the sight as prices vary significantly between them (just be sure to factor in any import duties/VAT etc.)

I want to pick up a nice new monitor to go along with my new 1440p build and im leaning into the Miniled LCD direction.

Question is: Xiaomi G Pro 27i IPS miniled or AOC Q27G3XMN VA miniled?

On paper the Xiaomi is much better with roughly 3x backlight dimming zones compared to AOC and IPS display shouldnt have VRR flicker issues like VA in AOC.

In reality though, Xiaomi is known to have QC issues, I guess AOC is more reputable brand when it comes to monitors. I researched the web about the "red tint" issue with Xiaomi and its seems to be a nothing burger where if you stick to native colour spectrum its completely fine for gaming and content watching.

Also with europeland pricing, AOC is 330€, Xiaomi is around 280. Both have shitty stands so add another 20-30 bucks for a VESA arm.

Wildcard- screw minileds and just bite the bullet and get a cheap OLED like AOC AGON AG276QZD2 for around 500€. Buy once cry once kind of solution. Also bear in mind that KTC minileds are unavailable in EU so its either AOC VA or Xiaomi IPS.

>>106289221
Whoops benchmark link got garbled:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/11.html

>>106288713 (OP)
CRTs are still the best gaming displays in existence and no amount of herz on your blurry sample&hold OLED will ever change that.

>>106288862
Rabbi-anon, I hate to tell it, but Intel-Aviv is done, cooked, finished.

>>106289236
>Wildcard- screw minileds and just bite the bullet and get a cheap OLED like AOC AGON AG276QZD2 for around 500€. Buy once cry once kind of solution. Also bear in mind that KTC minileds are unavailable in EU so its either AOC VA or Xiaomi IPS.
If you can afford an OLED, just get an OLED. It's a night-and-day difference in contrast, colors, viewing angles, panel uniformity (no mroe vignetting/IPS glow/backlight bleed'etc), and motion response that doesn't get worse at lower refresh rates.

That said if it's betwen the AOC IPS or Xiaomi IPS, I'd go with the Xiaomi IPS becasue it's the better all-arounder:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/aoc-q27g3xmn-vs-xiaomi-g-pro-27i/41611/71604
Brighter, better viewing angles, better colors, no VA panel dark smearing, and with local dimming turned on comparable contrast. Again though both have compromises and if you have the money for it you'll be happier having put those funds towards an OLED.

>>106289295
>and motion response that doesn't get worse at lower refresh rates.
OLEDs still have plenty of sample&hold motion blur, which DOES get worse at lower refresh rates. CRTs and backlight strobed LCDs can outperform OLED by an order of magnitude.

>>106289339
Yes I know but sample-and-hold blur affects both non-strobed LCDs & non-BFI OLEDs and the issue compounds when you add on slow pixel transition times to LCDs which worsen as the refresh rate declines. So for new buyer advice the comparison holds.

>>106289339
can these fucking spammers be range banned already

>>106289141
3090s are great. they are very power and thermally bottlenecked and can really stretch their legs and get 15-20% performance over stock once you fix the cooling problem

>>106288790
No it's not even 3d stacked

>>106289412
They put a tiny cooler on it, it was the first 90 tier card after all. People keep saying you have to repaste them to solve the issue but that is like a drop on hot iron most of the time.

>>106288862
never think about the temps , reliability , stability and the price anon you dumb nigger

>>106289427
yeah repasting just the core isn't enough. vram repadding is also needed so that the vram doesn't start throttling and hold the core back. and even after all that, most 3090 coolers are too tiny to hold >400W of sustained heat load and the core starts overheating and losing core clocks

>>106289018
that system looks so confused anon id switch those rams to a 6000mhz patriot or a kingbank ram (whichever hynix die is cheaper dont care about the brand) and why not the 9060xt 16g ? idk about the case id go for a high airflow cheaper case and get an 3.1atx psu for the longevity , xpg/corsair/thermalright/seasonic/phanteks whichever one is cheaper about the monitor id go for AOC q27g3xmn

guide me bros
i want to hear your opinion about this build

>>106288668
>If you don't work in the engineering department, transistor count is just something to put on a slide deck. Bigger number = more betterer
But i do work in engineering, i just calculated a nickel foundry that was supposed to be a turbine.
Do AMD not do heat management or proper planning of their chips?

>>106289569
You love spend money.

>>106289569
is 130 enough for the 9800x3d? Make sure you have the clearance on your motherboard. Otherwise why exactly those m.2s? I think I've never seen either recommended here.

>>106289575
if you think rdna4 is bad, compare the roughly similarly sized 7800xt's transistor count, performance and efficiency to the 9070xt and you'll be amazed by what amd did

>>106289592
130 is the best one out there for now , and yeah i checked all of the clearance issues , there is even a build on youtube with the xt m3 which utilizes the same motherboard and the same 9070xt nitro+ gpu so im comfy about those , ive already purchased both of the ssds kioxia pro is a price performance king due to its low TBW (700) but for gaming high TBW aint necessary , and the acer gm7 is a monsterous non dram ssd which was advised on youtube i forgot the guy's name but he goes with dont waste your money on x 80% of his vids)

>>106289620
I'd be careful with youtube or in general "best" recommendations cause some of those people would sell you anything as long as they get paid or sponsored for it. On the other hand you don't know how many shills are floating here.

>>106289649
you may be right good thought on that one , but i checked it out the only con of it is high temps , but my motherboard will have huge heatsinks on it and it wont be an issue ,thus a friend of mine has been using the same kioxia ssd on his gigabyte gaming x ax 2 650 mobo and he hasnt made any complaints about it yet
>pic related same case same mobo same gpu
> link about the guy i mentioned
https://youtu.be/8jeZj_IEZfc?si=UIdTC1yjNATaOUvT 14:50

>>106289141
>>106289412
>>106289427
>>106289524
Yep. The 3090 needs water cooling. It's the reason I got into water out of necessity. Now my 5090 is water blocked. Temps were ok, but 600w is a lot for air.

Is it worth paying 40€ more for a xfx 9070xt mercury OC over a swift? Looks like a 4-5% performance increase at best but the mercury has vapor chamber cooling so it might lead to overall lower temp and noise

>>106289727
if you worry about temp and noise buy 5070 ti since its more power efficient

>>106289727
>https://youtu.be/4bvT5XvG65Y?t=1352

>>106289692
Should be OK then I guess.

>>106289727
consider the following anon

>>106289692
2nd pic

>>106289240
cringe and boomer pilled

>>106289236
>OLED like AOC AGON
Are OLED monitors also good for non gaming tasks now or is it still hard to read shit?
I'd never use it for gaming but I'm tired of TN colors and contrast

>>106289834
but i have one question anon should i go get the high priced case fans for intake and exhaust or mid level case fans will also nail the job ?

>>106289758
5070Ti over here is at least 140€ more than the swift, it doesn't seem worth it
>>106289776
>>106289853
I've seen this comparison but it looks like the non-OC mercury without vapour chamber (and the louder magnetic fans)

>>106288790
I'd be more worried about Apple M5.

>>106289993
>it doesn't seem worth it
depends on usecase
like what if you want to play video games with upscaling or path tracing or with frame gen

why is best buy selling at scalper rates?
I could’ve bought these gpus at this cost since the launch.
My 2080ti is finally dying. I’ve been trying to upgrade for years and you can never get one msrp until the new one is announced launching.

>>106289934
I usually use the case fans but the tendency is that bringing your own is better also in terms of noise.

>>106290046
just refresh its thermal paste lol ?

>>106290046
best buy does pricematching iirc. just tell them newegg or costco is cheaper. they pray on normies not knowing this.

>>106290046
try to get the upcoming supers at msrp

>>106290050
in my region it cames without the case fans so i dug up and came up with Thermalright TL-H12W-X28 but still this was an ai suggestion (co pilot and gemini) it has 28 ratings , are all being 5/5 but still i have no idea since this is my first build and i have been a laptop user for the last 10 years

>>106289908
you need 4k minimum on 32" or 27"
I was gonna check out 27" but I haven't already to see how much better it is
>I'd never use it for gaming but I'm tired of TN colors and contrast
why don't you just buy an IPS if you are gonna textmaxx

>>106290061
if the supers were coming soon they would be trying to discount these old stock instead of it being so damn overpriced

>>106290046
maybe its gigabyte scalping there cards to best buy because of tariff scares

>>106290061
This is why I have a 2080ti because i keep telling myself to wait for the Ti and wait for the super and I never get one.

>>106289258
Intel-aviv... Kek

>>106290081
I've been waiting for viable OLED monitors because I'm used to OLED TVs. IPS won't be a big upgrade, I hate the grey blacks, it ruins the whole picture

>>106290126
yeah but i’m seeing people buying these cards on clearance from walmart because the new ones are coming soon.
so gigabyte is being a dumbass and raising prices?

>>106290230
all of them are doing it save for nvidia themselves and maybe pny

>>106289236
>I researched the web about the "red tint" issue with Xiaomi
AOC Q27G3XMN's HDR mode is known to have a greenish tint.
I think people say the KTC M27T6 is better than both of your options, guessing it's not available for you.

>>106289908
>I'd never use it for gaming, but I'm tired of TN colors and contrast
There are text fringing issues with 1440p monitors, less annoying with 4K OLED displays.
But you eventually get accustomed to the fringing over time.

>>106290230
>yeah but i’m seeing people buying these cards on clearance from walmart
huh?

>>106290230
Then go to Walmart?
NVIDIA and their board partners are just exploiting the -80 series card's perceived value.
It's usually the card manufacturers that are charging a premium to retailers.

>lower core clock by 200mhz
>fps changed by maybe 5fps
>save 100+ watts
wooow

>>106290402
Try dropping the core voltage by 30~50mV while OCing the core to +100MHz.
You can be more aggressive with GeForce cards.

>Try updating radeon drivers on laptop
>instant crash and forced restart
>have to manually find the exe again and install it due to failed install
thanks poodeon

>>106290182
4k 32 or 27 depending on what you think works
people who sperg out about the subpixel fringing sperg out and say 27 is not even good enough at 4k so idk what to say anymore
or wait for the 5k

my current rig: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TothBrush/saved/DRLWf7
Frankenstein build from spare parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/TothBrush/saved/KD4F4D
I'm going to take the ram out of my main build and replace it with 3600Mhz 16CAS ram and put the 2400Mhz 17CAS ram into the spare PC.

Which cooler should I get for the 6600K? I've got fans lying around everywhere so I think I'm either going to get a SE-214-XT since it's only 17 dollars or a Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 just because why the fuck not get a 360mm water cooler if it's only 54 dollars

>>106290046
Don't buy the 5080, meme card. Even at msrp it doesn't make too much sense.
What you want is a 5070ti

Are all RX 9600XT badly tuned? Meaning you could easily undervolt them while at least maintaining stock clocks?
This would make me get one instead of a RTX5060Ti.

And no, DLSS, frame gen and whatever gimmicks are not needed.
I only care about pure rasterization performance, anything else is marketing stuff bordering fraud.

>>106290739
>Thermalright Frozen Prism 360 just because why the fuck not get a 360mm water cooler
I'm not sure the NZXT 340 can support a radiator that large

>>106288713 (OP)
There are no other generals to ask in so I'll try my luck here, are there any laptop Windows alternatives to the M4 Pro chip in the Macbook Pro?
Something that performs the same, with a great monitor and decent battery life.

>>106290776
I don't care man I'll just put it on the floor under my desk in a cardboard box if it doesn't fit. The power button on the S340 has been broken for 5+ years now so for my entire life from the end of highschool until I graduated college I just left the side panel of the case off and reached in with my keys to manually connect the positive and negative copper pins to complete the power circuit and turn on my PC. I'm fine just letting the cooler hang out onto the floor if I have to.

>>106290795
>>106290776
also if the S340 can't handle 360mm I can take my 280mm water cooler out of my H7 flow and swap it for the 360mm cooler and put the Kraken X63 back into the S340.
or I could just get the tiny cooler

will it even matter? ever? does a 6600K even need a proper cooler? I might run minecraft servers or something on here but the most likely thing is going to be voice changer ML models on the 1070 or something else super retarded

>>106290739
>>106290776
Just buy a used one if you're going full jank, save $20.
280mm is the max the case will actually support

>>106290828
used like scour facebook marketplace or used like search "refurbished" on amazon

>>106290834
Both
>even need a proper cooler
I remember my i7 non-k being fine with a shitty stock cooler so probably not, style points are always worth something though

>>106290775
>Are all RX 9600XT badly tuned? Meaning you could easily undervolt them while at least maintaining stock clocks?
All of these chips are slightly overvolted than needed for reliability reasons; they're not badly tuned.
RTX 50 chips have a lot of OCing headroom because NVIDIA left enough room for Super refresh cards (which won't use costlier GPUs).

>I only care about pure rasterization performance, anything else is marketing stuff bordering fraud.
AMD Radeon's priority is improving their upscaling and frame generation solutions for the PS6.
https://www.tomsguide.com/gaming/playstation/sonys-mark-cerny-explains-why-your-ps5-pro-is-getting-an-upgrade-in-2026

>>106290854
>have a lot of OCing headroom
is maybe 8-10% in video games and 15% in 3dmark considered good in 2025?
Grim

I got a monitor arm with a clamp and had the thing set up like this. The clamp however doesn't or can't fully reach all the way to the metal part so a little less than half is sticking out like pic related. Should this be a cause of concern or is this fine? As is, the thing is pretty tight so far but a little tilted.

>>106290870
Well, 10% could mean the game is more playable.

45 fps vs 50 fps

For those with OLED monitors, do you really turn them off after 5 minutes of inactivity? I've just always had an IPS and it's always been a kind of lamp in my lair.

>>106290819
I've always wondered if Lane wore underpants when she was building a PC. Most likely, yes.

>>106290870
You're the retard who doesn't understand there have been significant developments in the GPU Boost algorithms featured in all these modern cards.
Show me this ancient, rose-tinted card of yours that has the same stock boost parameters as these newer cards.

>>106290323
>>106290432
Thanks, I'll look for 27'' 4k OLEDs. 32'' is way too big as a monitor unless you use it for gaming and movies/tv shows

>>106290803
for me it's the 55" S95F for 1880$ in direct currency conversion from europanistan during BF this winter

>>106290901
screensavers are back, we are back in the golden era
I have a black screen wp set on my laptop as time out just to be less annoying, but you have to be mental to leave an oled just idling on desktop at max brightness for no reason, probably a piss in the ocean compared to your real use however, but if you do this for multiple 8-10 hours every day it's gonna end up speeding up your wear on the panel for no reason

>>106290927
it's quite alot bigger but not really that insane

today, I will remind them.

>>106290994
by your own logic you can't use modern phones because they use scaling
find another topic to be autistic about, yours is pointless
you have already been defeated

>>106291037
>but what about NOT A DESKTOP MONITOR

>>106291061
we already covered that in previous threads so many times I threw in another comparison to switch it up

Should I just wait for the next AI Max APU

>>106290788
No

>>106289399
First you must repent and acknowledge you've been worshipping a false idol.

>>106289509
You mean the things they've just spent this entire generation focusing on at the expense of performance? Yeah, I wouldn't be worried.

>>106290887
pls respond

>>106289509
>amdrones have raptorlake living rent free in their heads

Today I will remind them

>>106291230
well thats an annoying desk design
some monitor arms have an option to drill through the desk so you might try that
or buy a new desk that doesnt suck

>>106291268
I don't know if I wanna drill through because I might wanna move it around maybe if I get another monitor.
>buy a new desk
I'm out of budget. Haha...

>>106291267
Debunked, quite shocking how a relatively large tech outlet wouldn't re-evaluate those results.
I'm posting HWUB's video, but Steve acts like a normal person if he's not reviewing NVIDIA hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59AsHBKx7A

>>106291267
this graph portrays nothing, it's lacking too much context.

>>106291295
a stupid option might be unscrew the top from the metal, move it backwards a bit so the wood bit has more depth to attach the monitor to.

>>106290969
I just checked out a couple 4k 27'' OLEDs, are they really all around 1000 €/$? That's ridiculous. My 65'' OLED TV was 1399€. I'm not ready to get cucked like that

>>106289509
What happened to just trusting the system, huh?
I find it fucking hilarious people have been bringing up power use and temps since 10th gen skylake and we where called crazy.

>>106290994
Not sure what you're reminding about, but I just bought a 32" 1440p and it's great.

>>106291355
welcome to the scam market
a LG C4 77" cost less than a PG32UCDDM on release

>>106291355
people will return monitors with dead pixels and with 4k theres a lot of potential dead pixels

+ tv economics of scale where lg and samsung make few new panels each year and ship those to dozens of brands factories pushing prices down as warehouses start getting full of tvs

>>106289509
new intel CPUs won't degrade because they have DLVR
raptor lake was supposed to have DLVR but they couldn't get it working in time for launch so they had to add the 1.6V spike boost system

>>106291367
that's a good size for that resolution.

>>106291409
>DLVR
What is this?

>>106291436
a voltage regulator inside the CPU
the main issue with raptor lake is that it had too many cores that pull too much current, alder lake uses the same system but it tops out at 8+8 cores and 5.5 GHz so it wasn't an issue
if you let the motherboard regulate the voltage you need to compensate for the voltage drooping when making its way from the motherboard VRM to the CPU
so the CPU would request 1.6V in anticipation of a big voltage drop, but if that voltage drop never came the CPU would be hit with high voltage and degrade
if you have a voltage regulator inside the CPU you don't need to compensate for vdroop, arrow lake has DLVR enabled, and enforced since a microcode update (some people got mad at this but it probably saved a few CPUs from another raptor lake situation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9slwXKUwmnE

>>106291377
>people don't return tvs
plasmatv for gaming returned like 5 Samsungs for various issues, but maybe he's the schizo edge case

>people will return monitors with dead pixels and with 4k theres a lot of potential dead pixels
when I tried a 32" qdoled I literally found 0 dead or stuck pixels, which is insane, but it's also insanely hard to see individual pixels to the point you need to start using a magnifier
I read some stat that the yield on oleds to produce errors was above 99% to not get them or something, maybe I remember wrong
should be very easy to see on a tv
plus pixel death over time, wonder how bad it is on qdoled vs woled with whole clusters dying
we will find out

>>106291483
Ive seen an lg oled tv and theres literally hundreds of dead pixels littered around the edges

>>106291498
yeah that's woled and after some aging and possibly manufacturing defect or not I'm not sure
wonder if qdoled is the same or not
never seen any showing of it

>>106291355
>I just checked out a couple 4k 27'' OLEDs, are they really all around 1000 €/$? That's ridiculous.
LG & Samsung Display are milking the OLED market while they can.
LG Electronics is charging $850 for a 27" 1440p monitor that has the new 4th-gen WOLED panel.
$850 1440p monitor with DP 1.4 & matte panel finish btw.

>>106291037
Phones are dogshit by default, you shouldn't pay for them more or use them more than you truly need to.

>>106291436
a copium

1080p high refresh rate mini-led when?
>poorfag lol
Don't care, main monitor will be 1080p until the day I die

I've officially grown out of the RGB phase of my life and now want a fully non-RGB build, no side panel either. HOWEVER, I still want a nice looking, "fancy" case, and not just a nondescript black box. ATX-mid sized. The only thing that's come to mind is tracking down an alienware case (of old-style or new-style) but that's easier said than done and iirc they are really annoying to repurpose out of the prebuilt design that they incorporate. Anybody got any suggestions for other good looking "solid" cases?

>>106291579
Do you at least use like 8 of these handheld screens?

>>106291614
You want an edgy retard case but also no rgb? Are you even wanting a bunch of drive bays?

>>106291579
Can't even get a 1440@32 miniled, let alone with 120hz+, let alone higher, let alone with enough zones for local dimming to be worth bothering with, let alone enough to make it look decent on an IPS.
1080p miniled is probably below that on the priority list. But hey you could get a 4k and integer scale.

>>106291614
fractal design north (XL) mesh

simply posting my experience, got pic related, brand new, years ago and now it's starting to regularly get burn-in from pretty much anything. taskbars, menu bars, browsing the web, anything at all, left on the screen for more than a minute or two will leave burn-in. Never had this problem up until a few months ago. No idea what I want to replace it with, I know burn-in is the big fear nowadays with pretty much everything so I don't really have any idea what to look for or what to avoid.

>>106291557
I would pay 500 if it was 4k but 850 for 1440p is still hard to justify. Wonder how many years it will take before we'll get reasonable OLED monitor prices. OLED TVs have been affordable for a decade or so, the prices are actually fair and you don't feel like you got ripped off

>>106291650
>wood paneling
honestly, I dig it, might look into one of these, but it's still a bit bland otherwise. I mentioned the alienware cases mainly because of how sleek they look, which I like. The old style especially always gave me firebird aesthetics, the curve of the case, the "grill" on the sides. Something similar to that would be great but I never really see anything like that, everything is just...a box.

>>106291667
can you afford oled? buy oled
cant afford oled? buy some 1k+ zone miniled VA

>>106291650
Similar to this is what he's asking for

>>106291683
This is the craziest right now and is supposed to look like a helicopter.

>>106291683
I have (had) the aurora r4's mATX case and I wouldn't recommend it since the airflow is pretty bad and its hard to work with
the mechanical fins and case rgb requires windows 7 abandonware to configure and the case is physically really large and heavy

>>106291676
>Wonder how many years it will take before we'll get reasonable OLED monitor prices.
You need Chinese panel makers like TCL CSOT & BOE to disrupt the OLED market.
They are most likely having issues with panel brightness (plus required 5~10 years reliability) & production yields.

HOW THE FUCK DO I CONNECT THIS SHIT HOLY FUCK WHY DID THEY MAKE THEM SO SMALL

>>106291565
most people's phones is the best display they have
most phone displays mog whatever else you have

>>106291579
>1080p high refresh rate mini-led when?
tcl has released this one in my region
https://www.tcl.com/global/en/monitors/25g64

>>poorfag lol
>Don't care, main monitor will be 1080p until the day I die
it's not even cheap its 500€ here

for reference the cheapest 4k 32" 240hz qdoled I have seen here is 630€ and on sale right now on amazon for 750€

you don't want 1080p for anything, even on my laptop 140ppi ui elements don't even look good and you can't even view content
it's over

>>106291667
image retention not burn in
I have burned in a VA before
buy something 4k

>>106291676
1440p oleds are way overpriced compared to 4k ones

>>106291712
definitely...different, but also really ugly looking. These half-open concept, half-structural mimicry cases are always gaudy and hideous, like the shark case, car case, sneaker case, etc.

>>106291720
definitely would avoid that, doesn't look anywhere near as good as the old school area 51 case, what makes alienware cases good looking is the sleek curves, this one is far too bulky, plus it has RGB which I'm trying to avoid completely

>>106291746
right, right, image retention. Still, it's incredibly annoying, and the fact that it has only recently started happening feels like it's the screens way of telling me it's dying.

>>106291741
its broken
try to use pincers to push it more circleish

>>106291614
>I've officially grown out of the RGB phase of my life
I'm looking forward to rgb-maxxing my coming room

>>106291746
>1440p oleds are way overpriced compared to 4k ones
What do you mean? 32'' or some ultrawide-screen stuff? I only looked at normal 27'' and 4k is twice as expensive as 1440p

>>106291772
that doesn't matter yet because I can't even get them onto the one thats circular

>>106291780
no shade for those who like RGB, I used to love it. I don't mean "grown out" meaning if you like RGB you're just childish, I'm just kinda over it. Every fucking component requiring it's own bloatware rootkit to change the lighting, some of which require setting up an account to access, whenever I want to watch a movie in my room the fucking computer is blaring lights and ruins the vibe unless I want to spend 5-10 minutes accessing each, individual software to turn off the RGB and then it's a pain in the ass getting it back on with the settings I liked, it's just all too much of a hassle. I'm content to just toss my components in a box and let my computer purely exist as a functional piece of hardware, not a strobing display. BUT, I still would like the case to look nice regardless.

>>106291739
>plus required 5~10 years reliability
That's probably the biggest issue because people don't use monitors like TVs

>>106291754
Unless you're looking for drive bay space, get an era 2 of you want a case like that

>>106291768
I guess I remember I started seeing it on VA too like things got stuck, this was like after a decade or something
plus I burned in a whole section at the top that had darker pixels if viewing something grayish on it
I guess
your options are some 4k lcd or oled if you wanna upgrade pretty much

>>106291816
there are ton of overpriced 1440p ones, anyone really
there are cheaper ones too
any 1440p one

>>106291821
rgb on pc parts is pretty gay
rgb in your entire house so it looks like a whore house? based

>>106291818
use pincers to slighly loosen the female metal bits?

>>106288943
We can't have competition. USA gov doesn't allow it, huawei came close and was banned.

Any anon with a 4090 here? How much did you pay for it and how are the temps? Thanks

>>106291890
well I got 2 on but I still can't get 1 on, probably because of the out of shape terminal you pointed out
I'm trying to adjust the shape but its not working out. I have 9 inch hands and Im almost legally blind. this is fucking terrible

>>106292033
$2200
35c idle
60c load

>>106288713 (OP)
Hi anons. Following up on an issue I brought up a few days ago here regarding a new build with some pretty high DPC latency with onboard ALC4080 audio. LatencyMon was showing anywhere from 2-4 ms DPC latency, which was producing some crackling during Windows sound prompts, and a fairly noticeable audio lag in game. It was driving me nuts. Anons were helpful with suggestions, and it was narrowed down to the NVIDIA driver which has known DPC latency issues.

I was able to resolve it at least partially and thought this might help others.
A few things I tried that either didn't help or helped latency a bit, but didn't stop the crackling (and apologies if I explain something incorrectly, I'm not a super /g/ brain):
>BIOS & Firmware updates
>Driver reinstalls
>Disabling NVIDIA HD Audio and other unused audio devices
>Disable NVIDIA overlay (never had it on to begin with)
>MSI Mode Utility, tweaking USB controller interrupt priority to High (this helped a bit)
>Adjusting core affinities, setting GPU to cores 0-10, and USB Audio core to 11, plus other configs (didn't help)

I finally caved and decided to get a dedicated soundcard. Installed, and while the latency still shows up, the crackling is gone and there's no perceivable latency in-game. Audio quality is noticeably higher than onboard as well, so I'm pleased with that. Again, I'm not a pro but according to GPT the issue is resolved because:
>the new PCIe sound card has its own lane and its own processor for sound. Even though the NVIDIA driver is still being slow, your audio doesn’t have to wait behind it anymore.
Overall I'm satisfied with this fix for now. Hope this helps other anons that will possibly run into this issue.

>>106292143
nevermind I fucking got it HOLY SHIT
I hope it still works because I bent that cable at some crazy angles at the connector lol>>106292172

>>106292172
This issue isn't limited to NVIDIA cards & drivers if some manchild's about to make some shitposting material.
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/high-latency-seemingly-caused-by-dxgkrnl-sys-latencymon.3800071/

>>106292172
Your infinity fabric is unstable

>>106292252
yeah, forgot to mention that as well. not meant to contribute to the flame war, but my only experience is with the NVIDIA driver. also, only overclocking I'm running is EXPO. disabling EXPO did not help either

I haven't been paying attention for awhile, is no one cracking denuvo anymore?
I want to play the new doom game but denuvo and steam don't like my slow shitty internet.

>>106292331
I am watching Manchester United vs. Arsenal with LatencyMon analysis running in the background.
I'll post results after ten minutes for my RTX card, PC's got NVIDIA HD Audio installed.
The highest reported DPC routine execution time so far is 841.9 microseconds (dxgkrnl.sys).

I'm using a USB DAC + Headphone amp.

>>106292172
I even get with an external DAC crackling after some hours when I play a game that pushes my GPU while using something like discord to communicate with friends. A restart then fixes it. Nvidia mentioned few updates ago that they "fixed" it but yeah not really.

>>106292344
yes, denuvo won

Here's the result after 20+ minutes: the redacted driver is my anti-virus.

>>106292344
>cracking games in current year when you need 500 patches every other day
pirating was peak before this constant patch garbage, now you just get annoyed if you have ocd and need to be on the latest version with all the updated shit
but I also checked prices on those games it's entirely too damn higher
that' one trans woman quit cracking them? I haven't checked either
it might be over

>>106290887
>>106291230
Please post your monitor arm. It is supposed to be adjustable that you undo two bolts, arrange the arm so that it will then fit your desk. I literally have like 4 different monitor arms from 4 different brands (amazon, ergotron, vivo, and humanscale) that have this.

>>106292717
games that people are interested on actually get patched quite often
Wuchang for example has gotten all the patches released on steam just a few hours after.
And in more niche games you can actually reach out to igggames and he usually doesnt mind uploading an update
Personally i just make do without playing the 2 Denuvo titles i would like to play and just wait, maybe they will drop denuvo at some point (although one of those games is 3 years old so...)
Anyhow yeah it might not be over over yet but its grim

>>106290887
the forces will try to rotate it towards the empty space
not ideal

>>106292872
Okay, your arm is exactly as I stated it is, you need to use the top hole and middle hole. If you still can't clamp it then your desk has no business having anything mounted to it because it's a piece of paper. Honestly I think you could technically clamp that mount to a piece of paper too if just for a fraction of a second.

>>106292795
>games that people are interested on actually get patched quite often
yeah that's why it's worth buying them to save yourself the hassle if you actually want to play the shit and going to play it for any amount of time
atleast the moment you are no longer on the absolute destitute tier level of poverty

>>106292679
Thats not too bad anon. Thats in nanoseconds not milliseconds, so youre under 1 ms. Do you have any noticeable crackles?

Recently a friend gave me a PC with a board of this model, and I found a 3060 Zotac for quite cheap, but can I plug that card into that PCIe? Technically it's backwards compatible so that's not the problem but it seems to me that there is little space and it would clash with the RAM.

>>106289692
bro is cooling his pc with cum LMAO

>>106293081
yes
pcie cards take up minimal space above the slot

>>106293081
Cooler is oriented away from all of that

>>106293099
>>106293109
Thanks, have a nice picture as a thank you.

>>106293138
That is a nice picture but I want something more lewd

>>106293176
I hope you like it, I always love lifting_own_clothes

>>106288713 (OP)
I'm planning on buying a DELL PRECISION T1500 core-i7 870 for 30 bucks and add a decent gpu like 1660 or smth.

>Is the CPU good enough?
>How can I know if the you will be compatible with the pc (I can't find info on the motherboard)

>>106293286
>DELL PRECISION T1500 core-i7 870 f
You really want to be on at least Haswell, even for games that are getting older. Should be able to find something with a 4770 or xeon equivalent for not too much more.

>>106293253
Thanks

>>106292931
>>106292955
So I just put a notebook between the clamp and the metal part for the time being. It's a little late so I'll think about it tomorrow. Either I call a carpenter to help realign the metal part of the table or I use a wooden block.

>>106293048
>Do you have any noticeable crackles?
No. That test was also run on Windows' Balanced power setting with all CPU power saving features in the BIOS enabled.

>>106293301
the i7 870 and gtx 1660 are separated by about 10 years, its a very old cpu
it will probably still work, but it won't have proper windows 11 support

>>106293301
Thank you for your answer. Can you tell me what specs should I look for? Do you have a few example of cheap pcs I should buy.
Also how can I check the compatibility of the pc with a specific gpu?

>>106293342
You shoud rather drill a hole for it to sit in and a slot on the other side that goes around the metal like this.

>>106293408
Is grommet mount actually worth it?

>>106293399
How much are you aiming for? For ~300 total you can potentially find something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/317146055847
Which is a way way faster cpu, and slightly faster gpu

>>106293433
I mean you can buy a decent cordless drill at harbor freight for $60

WHEN SUPER

>>106293594
I already got a 5090 and such things are beneath me.

>>106293399
If you're just trying to be as cheap as possible, a haswell or skylake i7 (4th, 6th, and 7th gen) prebuilt
Next (massive) step up that can consistently be found cheap would be a used lga 1700 mobo and a 12100/13100/12400.

>>106293342
You just ignored what I said in my post entirely.

>>106293594
two more weeks

are there any good site with guides for underclocking / undervolting your stuff to reduce idle power consumption? my shit shouldnt need to eat 200W just to shitpost, watch anime and seed torrents

Man I'm sick of oled marketing. It all sounds so spergy
>tandem WOLED
>trueblack glossy WOLED
then someone says qd-oled is better because WOLED has a white glow while qd-oled has a purple glow but that'll be fixed in the 4th gen panels or something? What is this grift? It's enough to make grown men cry from how fucking gay it is.

>Buy glossy QD-OLED
>Brush it very lightly to clean it
>Coating turns blue
You can't make this shit up

>>106289509
X3D chips can blow up without warning. Glass houses, anon.

>>106293718
I'm more concerned about burn in. There are an alarming amount of posts and comments waving away burn in issues along the liens of
>just enjoy it while you have it
as if a monitor is a wear item that is to be replaced every few years. I bought my Acer IPS from a costco sale going on 7 years ago if not longer and it's still going strong.

>>106293737
>t. ASRock lawyer

>>106291614
Get a Fractal.

anyone here got any experience with fractal design (or especially its epoch) cases, how are they to build with? coming from some shitty older NZXT one

>>106293752
OLED is a fucking meme, far too many downsides.
>muh purple tint is a non issue
>muh glossy coating being more prone to wear and scratches than soft plastic is a non issue
>muh burn in is a non issue

Imagine paying $1000 for a disposable, unreliable piece of trash.

>>106289240
It's simple. You simply emulate rolling scan on a high refresh sample and hold display.

>>106291683
Get the Antec Flux Pro or the CM C700M or the Montech King Ultra (Gearseekers variant).
>>106291690
>>106291712
Just don't get these toy cases because you will need solid airflow.

>>106289240
CRTs are more expensive than OLEDs in my country

>>106291754
Or just blow money on a Silverstone 90 degree stacker case, new or old.

>>106293753
Oh how quickly everyone forgot about the 7800X3D

>>106293783
How long time does it take for OLED burn in to happen? I have been using an OLED tv as a monitor for 1 year now and displaying static content on it everyday for 12+ hours a day and I still have no burn-in.

>>106293736
>>106293752
Feels like a literal psyop. Here's a very expensive monitor that will burn in and will collect scratches and smudges from the simple action of WIPING THE SCREEN. I use my S23 Ultra and the screen is robust. What exactly are they using in making oled monitor screens? Cheap melty plastic? The fuck man

>>106293718
qd oled was pretty handily winning in image quality so obviously LG has to compete somehow and every display advancement requires a new name to tell people this is the good shit you need to buy

tandem woled for example change the sub pixel arrangement so text is easier to read on windows compared to previous gens

>>106293816
>another case of cpu explodes when mobo crams too much voltage into it
shocking

>>106293718
that's why I'm skipping it entirely. I'll stick with IPS (although I would prefer TN, but they only make high refresh rate TN at 1080) until the next tech comes along.

>>106293781
Very nice. I have a Torrent. It's piss easy to build in it. Built like a tank and the side panels can be screwed in place from top so there's zero risk of the tool-free design leading to one of the panels coming loose and slamming down on your table.

>>106293893
Couldn't possibly be poor chip design.

>>106293869
>I use my S23 Ultra and the screen is robust.
Nigger, we're talking about PC monitor OLED.

>>106293783
I probably wouldn't notice any purple tint as I'm in a room with no windows. The burn in and gloss would be problems though, especially the burn in. I remember when I first got a galaxy s21 with oled screen I already had icons burned in as I had the brightness at max due to working outside in the sun. It took a long time for that to go away.

>>106293956
Anon is asking why OLEDs aren't coated in glass
Legitimate question actually since glass is naturally glossy and durable

Peak convenience from the front too. Having the PSU up top is such a refined design choice.

Forgot picrel
no RGB, looks cool with

>>106294005
Would be heavy as fuck, would be much more expensive, and gorilla glass is prone to catastrophic cracks if hit on the side. Moving your screen would be much riskier.
Matte coating is far more scratch resistant than glossy.

>>106294058
But matte looks like ass next to glossy which is impossible to maintain without destroying the surface with smudges and scratches.

>>106294218
>smudges and scratches
Have you tried maybe just not touching it? Why do you need to rub your greasy hands all over the screen?

Wait, monitor screens aren't made of glass? What the fuck are they, then?

>>106288713 (OP)
The little consooomer goblin is telling me to buy a 9800X3D, I can afford it, but I'm wondering if I should be debt free first ($1,575~ left from around $3,500~) I make around $640~ a week so it's not like I can't pay it all off fairly soon, but a sick fuck part of me wants it all now
All I play are map games, I can buy a GPU later.

>>106294314
Transparent aluminum

I'm finishing my build for a new rig that I'm doing exclusively for local AI and heavy processing, I don't even game nowadays. I already got a RTX 4090, new psu and case. For now I'm running it franksteined with other parts from my 2013 PC.

What should I look for when picking CPU and MOBO?
ChatGPT is recommending stuff like Ryzen 9 7900 and ASUS TUF X670E-PLUS as a minimum to not bottleneck the 4090, or Ryzen 9 7950X for more future proofness.

Sounds right or am I being rused by the AI?

>>106294355
Stop jerking off and get a wife.

>>106294360
dont do this it costs a lot of money and time and life force

>>106294360
>implying I don't integrate OC with the gf in my goon gen workflows

Everything except the CPU has arrived

>>106294322
A high end processor for video games is a meme in general.
>$640 a week, currently in debt
Just buy an i5 or 9600x or something.

>>106294403
But all I care about is 5 speeding EU4 and GOI4 and actually having H3VR be actually playable.

>>106288862
they better win because if this generation flops they get bought by another company that knows even less about making cpus

How hard is it to make your own hardline tubing? Jayz home PC just looks too good I wanna try for myself

>>106288862
>late 2026
okay how does that help me now

>>106294608
I'm diving into this next month, it doesn't look too difficult. Just heat up the tubing with a heatgun and use some kind of tool to get the correct angle. Hard part is probably getting your tubing into the fitting, without it being stressed from either being too long or too short. It'll be a learning experience.

>>106290033
Then you use the AMD equivalents?

>>106288862
the fuck? Why do I want my CPU to override exe files? What the fuck are they doing all this sounds fantastical. On the opposite side it sounds very exploitable for piracy. Is this a zero sum game? Do intel really want to open this box? Because if Intel says any game can run on our CPUs can be cracked well that's one sure fire way to win the war against AMD that has been in bed with consoles for decades now.

>>106290402
You can save like 200 watts on the 3000 series, the 3080 at least, and then lose like 1 fps after over clocking the memory.

It made my room with my pc noticeably cooler.

>>106294641
I'm guessing if you're any good at wiring a plug and/or stripping wires that part should be pretty transferable to hardline tubing

>>106294647
are they equivalents

>>106294683
FSR? Yes, it's pretty good now.
Raytracing? Last time I checked 4 months ago their denoiser needed work.
Down sampling? VSR for DSR. But no DLDSR equivalent. I haven't seen anyone benchmark or compare dldsr vs DSR vs vsr though. Can't comment on dldsr.

>>106294672
Just measure twice and cut once type of deal if I had to guess. Luckily tubing is cheap enough to where messing up, or even just retrying a run to make it look better, isn't a big deal. Taking apart my gpu will be a new experience as well.

>>106294734
FSR is fine, but transformer model is better and fsr isnt supported in many games while dlss is ubiquitous.
AMD has alright rt, but a bit worse than equivalent priced nvidia. Then for path tracing, eg cp highest rt overdrive mode, amd loses significantly. The ray reconstruction equivalent I dont expect to materialize before next gen consoles come out.
Frame gen is better quality on nvidia, and nvidia can do 4x while amd is stuck on 1x

So if you use those pay 15% extra for nvidia makes sense.

>>106294360
I have a wife and still jerk off

>>106294322
Just get a 9600x and put the money you saved into a gpu or good 4k monitor

>>106294322
>All I play are map games,
then you will unironically benefit massively from the 9800X3D over anything else. Sucks for your debt maybe but those games LOVE the cpu cache.

>9070/XT vs. 5070/Ti
People also have to account for NVIDIA's driver overhead disadvantage if they're planning to pair the video card with more mainstream CPUs like Ryzen 5s or non-X3D 8-core chips.
Steve used the 5080 to give GeForce drivers a hardware advantage in this video content, but its native 1440p ultra performance is nearly the same as 9070 XT with a Ryzen 7600.
The 5080 is running worse at lower graphics settings (more CPU-bound).
It's unrealistic to use a 7600 CPU with a 5080, but I don't think it's too crazy for people to use a 7600/X with a 5070 Ti.
I don't think Steve manually tampered with the GPU boost clocks for this content because the 5080's GPU boost speed is in line with TechPowerUp's average for a stock 5080 FE.

I'd pay the GeForce premium for a 5070 Ti if only I really needed CUDA and if I like to enable RT/DLSS in newer games.

Is there a difference between the G403 and G703? By that I mean shape.

Or are they identical and the only difference is one is wireless and the other is wired?

>>106294979
https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=logitech-g403-vs.-logitech-g703-lightspeed
looks identical

>>106294859
I know that feel brother... virgins think it's all sunshine and rainbows once you get yourself a girl but man it's just so tiresome after a while.

>>106294938
That's what I mean

>>106294990
Cool. Should I go for the wireless one then? it's 20g heavier but idk if that means anything.

>>106295080
20g is a lot when it comes to mice but both are on the heavy side already so it probably won't matter that much.

>>106294943
>People also have to account for NVIDIA's driver overhead disadvantage if they're planning to pair the video card with more mainstream CPUs like Ryzen 5s or non-X3D 8-core chips.
Also have to account for worse image quality and effectively less vram on the 9070xt

>>106295051
Looks like a worthless benchmark. It makes 0 sense.

>>106295315
Stellaris, how many seconds it'll take to complete a year in the game.
So for HOI4 and EU4 it'd basically be years in a few minutes to a few seconds on each game respectively.

>>106295348
Look again at the order of the stack and tell me how you would be able to get anything useful out of it.

>>106295369
what's at the top of that stack

>>106295369
A playable late-game?

>>106293925
>>106294028
I prefer my case not to be top heavy, also it should be able to mount a proper AIO on the top

Why is that?

>>106293718
Don't forget the LG market it as "Primary RGB Tandem" which some how insinuates that they don't have their cucked white subpixel anymore
that's on LG

>>trueblack glossy WOLED
that's on Asus

>but that'll be fixed in the 4th gen panels or something
it won't be fixed it does not have a polarizer, but some of the magenta tint is from the antiglare coating
same thing as matte coating disperses light across a screen if it hits it and lowers contrast/color the same thing with qdoled if light hits it (too much)

>>106293736
>>Coating turns blue
that happens if you get oils on the plastic coating

>>106293752
electronics are wear items
you have multiple insurances and tactics you can do if you wanna use it, just do cost value analysis with expected life time and years if you wanna use it
all electronics seem like terrible quality these days also so

>>106293783
ferraris cost money what you gonna do

>>106293824
Months to Never if you gonna go by reports online
too varied to know
the brighter it runs with the more static elements the faster

>>106293869
>scratches and smudges
samsungs fault for inventing this coating
>Cheap melty plastic?
the glossy coat is a plastic layer yeah, if you are real schizo u can peel it off, which is an upside ,since you can get open boxy scratched up TVs/Monitors and just peel it off and get a new monitor for cheap, downside is you have no antireflection layer and it will be even more glossy mirror like
>I use my S23 Ultra and the screen is robust.
It has pure glass or close to it? Look at plastmatvforgaming's rant about S25u and the new anti glare layer, it's not as clear and probably not as tolerant as the s23u

>>106293887
>tandem woled for example change the sub pixel arrangement so text is easier to read on windows compared to previous gens
AI says LG G5 (primary tandem rgb) uses BWRG and is worse on text vs RGWB like LG 32" 4k, which the new PC Monitors still use too ? nothing to do with primary rgb tandem specifically idk

Silly question, but does this Dell screen look like it's a 27 inch to you all? From steve's gpu smuggler documentary, 4:14 timestamp incase anyone is curious.

>>106295691
Yeah

>>106295675
>AI says

>>106295675
>electronics are wear items
No they aren't. A wear item is something that naturally degrades due to the nature of its use. Example, brake pads on a car naturally wear down because that's literally how they work. Washing machines, televisions, computers, and the subject at hand: monitors, are not wear items by any stretch of the imagination. In theory they can work indefinitely.

>>106295709
Thanks. 27 inch monitors seem much larger in many of these videos for some odd reason so I keep thinking they're 32s.

>>106294005
qdoleds are like glass underneath the plastic antireflectionlayer coating
guess they can't put the antireflection properties directly into the display so they need to apply some coating

>>106294058
can't be this reason, it's already gloss before any layer
they want some antireflection properties
without the coat it's a mirror

>>106294218
>But matte looks like ass next to glossy
*In a room with lights
>glossy which is impossible to maintain without destroying the surface with smudges and scratches.
not LG's coating or if you peel off the qdoled layer, it's pure gloss and easier to clear
you can already clean the original layer fine to begin with btw unless you are extreme ocd

>>106294608
>gains 0 perf
seems too annoying
AIOslop+RGB is good enough less effort

>>106295724
I can't remember the exact model name, but I know it's the one my Brothers bought a while ago.

>>106295712
your picture proves me right, yeah they changed the subpixels long ago as you see on your pic, nothing to do with primary rgb tandem memes,they will still use the same subpixel matrix on the new monitors for pc that are primary rgb tandem

>>106295714
okay then we simply don't agree with each other

I just bought a Jonsbo D32 Pro. What am I in for?

>>106295762
>we simply don't agree with each other
You can fuck off with this agree to disagree shit. You're the reason why companies get away with planned obsolescence.
>AI image
Good God you're completely brainless. Think for yourself, kid.

>>106295714
>Washing machines
>are not wear items
Yeah, the pump and motor just runs forever. Kek.

>>106295774
>You can fuck off with this agree to disagree shit. You're the reason why companies get away with planned obsolescence.
No I am simply in tune with reality, the claim that electronics last forever is completely unhinged
>Good God you're completely brainless. Think for yourself, kid.
my opinion was already formed and was the same, this is for memes

>>106294322
Frankly bro, it's not like you're saving for a house. You might as well have something nice in your life and have a pc that can play what you want. That's how I see it. Not saying go full consoomer, but I don't think keeping you pc up to date will really change your finances.

>>106295691
yes

>>106295779
I have both pumps and motors that are likely older than you by decades.
>>106295796
>my opinion was already formed and was the same, this is for memes
You're convincing nobody you brainrotted retard.

>>106295796
I agree that electronics have components that will need maintenance. But you're still the worlds biggest faggot for posting AI as your retort.

In fact, post a picture of your hand and cover of your passport while we're at it

>>106295824
He's not arguing that electronics have wear items, he's saying electronics themselves are wear items. As if a fucking lightbulb hasn't been burning for the past 125 years.

>>106295779
They used to, all the ones from the 50s/60s are still chugging along today. But you faggots wanted to be able to play skyrim on your refrigerator so now we are stuck in this cursed hell where they can make everything to break down in couple of years and you'll thank them for the opportunity to replace it.

>>106295764
I only thought they made NAS boxes

>>106295816
>You're convincing nobody you brainrotted retard.
You are out of arguments, your concession has been accepted, escort yourself out of the thread.

>>106295824
>In fact, post a picture of your hand and cover of your passport while we're at it
White + Passport rank 4
I don't currently have any passport, lol

>>106295836
I have replaced almost all lightbulbs since I moved in here they died one by one right when I fucking moved in

>>106295836
>As if a fucking lightbulb hasn't been burning for the past 125 years.
At a fraction of the power it's suppose to be
People miss this detail

>>106295883
>your concession has been accepted
I still have my fists up and you're throwing in the towel claiming victory, lol. You have yet to make an argument by the way.
>I have replaced almost all lightbulbs since I moved in here they died one by one right when I fucking moved in
That's nice sweetie. That's called planned obsolesce. Please tell your LLM to define that for you because I know you need it.
>>106295896
>fraction of the power
AND it being a high quality product. AND it never losing power. You idiots miss these details.

>>106295909
>AND it being a high quality product.
It's a standard bulb from the time, nothing really special about it except it self regulates down to 4w instead of 60W
If it ran properly at 60w, it would have burnt out some 120 years ago

>>106295779
Usually the only wear and tear item you need to replace on a washer and dryer are the bearings and heating element.

>>106295836
That thing is putting out like 100 lumens, I don't really think that's a fair comparison. But I get what you're saying.

Companies aren't incentivized to make things last. A blender I have from the 70s still has its original motor.
My Volvo from 03, Ford era, not China, still has no rust on its undercarriage in New York winters thanks to the zinc coating.

Fuck, you can buy a GE fan from the 30s that are DC, have built in oiling ports, and easy to access fasteners. It'll move more air, be quieter and use less power than most fans now.

I think younger people just aren't aware that shit isn't supposed to be unusable and unserviceable after 4 years if it's engineered properly and the manufacturer cares. Or they've been gaslit into believing it. We're in the era of MBAs and bean counters racing to the bottom.

>>106295883
Ok that's fine. Post your hand and the state or province portion of your drivers license ?

>>106295909
>You have yet to make an argument by the way.
You don't agree with the definition of wear and how things deteriorate over time and I accepted your point of view because there was no more discussion to be had from there, then you sperged out from there
you are literally wrong by your own definition but don't wanna accept it
argument is you are wrong by your definition

>That's nice sweetie. That's called planned obsolesce.
the same people design your electronics, m'am

>LLM to define that for you because I know you need it.
I am immune to planned obsolescence because I use cost value analysis, I don't care

>>106295982
>state or province portion
America has a rank 10 passport rank lil bro

I love my 5090.

>>106296032
I haven't seen any performance difference since upgrading from my 3090.

>>106296053
Your wallet took a big performance hit.

>>106296053
I did, and I came from a 3090. I love my 3090 as well but it's like 5070 tier performance with some extra vram.

>>106295982
>I think younger people just aren't aware that shit isn't supposed to be unusable and unserviceable after 4 years if it's engineered properly and the manufacturer cares
We are in an era of complexity.
Even things you'd consider well made can fall prey and you can't do much about it.
Honestly this is the primary reason why people think stuff doesn't last because the barrier to fixing it is high.
Stuff broke all the time, even old cars had to have their owners become mechanics because service intervals where pretty damn short, like having to replace your COTTON transmission bands or having to keep constant adjustment on everything as it wears or shakes out of tune.

Things like cars need less attention than ever, but people ignore that and instead fuss because you need a scan tool when something is wrong.

What do you guys do with your old cpus and gpus?

>prices are going down they said
>MSRP they said
>over ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a midrange card that will be obsolete in 5 months
Computer gaming was a scam from day one.

>>106296077
Sell them cheap to friends that have low expectations because they are used to counsels. Or give them away to family.

>>106296087
Unlike the 40 series I think we will actually see some steep discounts in the 50 series.

>>106296087
Buy an msrp model? Retard.

If the game looks like this even after I put the GPU back at stock clock. Does it mean it's probably the game's fault?

Or is my GPU fucked?

>>106296087
That's an SOC meme model
go and grab some ventus or windforce and stop whining

>>106296135
If it's just that one title it's the game or drivers

>>106296124
>>106296138
>just buy dogshit with high temps and shitty fans
No I don't think I will I will just wait.

got some of that phase change pad stuff for the new build. Is it true I should leave it in the fridge first?

>>106296168
>high temps and shitty fans
My pny card with the fans off will only hit like 70-75 (at stock power limit and like 2800mhz)

>>106296168
Just go open loop and have a silent PC.

>>106296135
the hell are you playing nigga

>>106296185
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2146070/Lorena_and_the_Land_of_Ruins/

>>106296239
patch available?

>>106294608
>>106294641
>How hard is it to make your own hardline tubing?
Be careful of acrylic. I've had them crack a bunch of times. You have to make sure there is absolutely no stress on the tubes when they are inserted. Close enough does not work for lengths, if you have to force it in then it's wrong and putting stress in the tubes which will fail. You are supposed to stress relieve them in a temp controlled oven after bending but It's a pain. I just heat the bends with a heat gun after installed to help make sure they are not stressed. It's a nightmare when they start failing. That being said most other material are less finicky, but acrylic is scratch resistant and looks best. Also make absolutely sure you loop is clean before final fill, and use a vented fitting for hard line so pressure doesn't rape the tubes. It's not much, but the pressure fluctuations can cause cracks. Good luck.

This legit? if so, I'm going to buy it unless I can find a better deal:
https://www.smacoscuba.com/products/seagate-expansion-24tb-external-hard-drive-hdd?variant=31601202-c900-4515-97e4-635c87ab7403&gad_campaignid=21982448115

>>106296239
Never heard of it before, look at the forums and it's just a wall of outrage over censorship. Apparently they censored all versions for sale and deleted the original version so you can't even purchase it anymore anywhere. Hope everyone involved gets raped by a cactus.

>>106296275
>24TB for $110
not a chance in hell
and that product page is a mess, click through the pics and it starts showing a completely different 2TB portable drive not the 24TB external drive that 100% require external power plug.

>>106296275
Type in https://www.overstock.com. That's the sight they ripped off.

>>106295951
>standard bulb from the time
Yes, standard bulbs from the time were high quality products. There was literally a conspiracy to create lower quality bulbs back then. The Phoebus cartel. I know that this thread is consumer general but I wish some you posters - especially the two faggots whose posts I'm not reading as they already lost, would get rid of that mindset. My PC from 20 years ago still functions as does my PC from around 2011. I have a Samsung monitor from around that time that is still perfectly fine. I have speakers that are 50 years old that function the same as they did when my dad got them. Electronics aren't wear items and OLEDs shouldn't be given every excuse possible to justify their burn and abandonment after such a short amount of time.

>>106296027
Why are you so hesitant to post a simple picture of your hand and some non-identifiable portion of an ID?

Do you perhaps have something to hide? Here. I'll start.

>>106296069
>We are in an era of complexity.

Needless complexity. CAN Bus is plenty complex, but you can still fix those cars yourself. I hook up my DICE and VIDA VM to my Volvo and all the info I need is there.

The world is not two categories, yes I agree. For sure, not every car from the past was perfect, or would never die. But on average, the quality was higher. You can see this in particular with the Japanese takeover of the US automotive market space in the 80s in response to the oil embargoes making consumers want MPG efficient vehicles.

Those little Jap econo shitboxes, they were well built shitboxes. Why? Keiretsu and Government backed loans, policies set by MITI. These isolated sister companies within Keiretsu's from external market forces like retarded quarterly investors.

The banking arm of Mitsubishi is willing to wait 3 or 4 years instead of one quarter to see a return on their investment, and they provide low interest loans. Both companies then prosper as they have investiture in one another.

Recent examples of engineering that's much harder for the average person to service:
Wet oil belts
Direct injection
Locked ECUs
Cylinder coatings preventing engine rebuilds

Things are getting worse for penny pinching and profit returns.

>COTTON transmission bands
Why are you talking about 1920's model cars in their infancy. That's ridiculous.

>>106296387
OLED's are an exception, they aren't planned obsolescence. It's just the nature of the materials used. There's no way they can make them not physically degrade over time. Trust me if the tech existed the rich would be using it. The fact that there is no magic non burning in oled you can buy for 50k means it doesn't exist period.

>>106296275
Doubt (You can try and if you get a smaller HDD than advertised or none at all you can do a chargeback on your CC if you like to gamble).
Otherwise your best bet is checking:
https://diskprices.com/

>>106296300
>look at the forums and it's just a wall of outrage over censorship.
What a bunch of retards. If you are going to crash and burn your game do it in glorious fashion, the way you intended it to be not as a neutered mess.

>>106296275
>>106296434
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/seagate-expansion-26tb-external-usb-3-0-desktop-hard-drive-with-rescue-data-recovery-services-black/6614708.p?skuId=6614708
this actually is legit and I seriously am like within an inch of buying it but idk if I can justify spending almost 300 dollars for drives

>>106296471
That's a lot of storage for the money. I can't even fill a 10tb.

opinion on turtle beach? was looking at their Kone XP Air mouse. i really like the thumb buttons.

however i owned turtle beach headphones like 10 years ago and they were awful and i swore i would never buy from this company again but i dont know if they've changed since then.

>>106296387
The phoebus cartel is a nothing burger, legitimately.
At worse they killed some consumer choice, but it was not some fucking scheme to make bulbs last only a certain amount of hours, that's literally ingrained into the technology of the time.

Incandescent bulbs can only be engineered certain ways. You can either make a bulb that lasts, but has poor efficiency and lower color tempature or you can have a bulb that's efficient, with a brighter white but doesn't last as long.
You cannot have a bright white, efficient bulb that lasts.
All the cartel did was standardized the light bulb with bulbs that where around 2700k in color temp and emitted about 800 lumens with 60w of power. They only lasted 1000 hours but that was the limitation.

It actually fucking annoying that people point to them as evidence of "planned obsolescence"
There is a reason after the cartel was broken that bulbs never increased in life, it just wasn't possible after the world had standardized around the 2700k tungsten bulb. Only until the advent of halogen could incandescents bulbs improve lifetime.

>>106296471
When it comes to storage always look at it from a $/TB deal, you could X times longer to fill it up and cost less than than buying multiple smaller/cheaper drives over the same period of time.Plus with capacities like that you can DL torrents like this EZ-PZ: https://nyaa.si/view/1577473

>>106292033

MSI Gaming Trio 4090, $1650 from Best Buy on Feb 13, 2023.

>>106296543
>9 seeds
Good luck, if you start now you might finish by the time the 7000 series GPU's are in stock.

>>106296617
fuck it. I'll download it and then start seeding. It's every anime on crunchyroll why not?

>>106296594
If you had bought that at microcenter with a warranty you could have shorted it and got all your money back and had a 5090 at this point.

>>106296782

Not interested in the unstable 5090 series and I say that as I could sell on ebay and have enough to get a PNY 5090 without paying anything extra. The 5090 is bad and I won't be convinced otherwise.

>>106296804
5090 is better than a 4090 in every respect other than value. I can't believe $1600 looks like a deal today. That being said there is no reason to trade in a 4090. They are still very good.

>>106296300
I play it in Japanese with an uncensor patch. :^)

The game-play is actually decent for a budget game. The story is barebones but the setting is a bit neat.

>>106296825

The black screens being repeatedly discussed all over the place, I'm not dealing with old AMD tier driver problems.

>>106296900
I've had more grief with Nvidia drivers in the last year than I've had with ATI/AMD drivers in the 00's.

It's ridiculous.

>>106297003

That's exactly what I mean, it shouldn't be like this at all, it's supposed to be the opposite. Until this shit is figured out, I'm not buying another one.

>want to get 5090
>live in place with hot summers
I hate geography

>>106297023
>can afford a 5090
>can't afford electricity

>>106297020
>it's SUPPOSED to be the opposite
sometimes you have to let go of old beliefs and accept reality

>>106297042
>>106297042
>>106297042

>>106295727
Yes we use our monitors in well lit rooms. What's with this myth of using monitors in dark rooms?

>>106296900
I've never had issues, but I know lots of people did. At this point if you want to play anything new you are going to have to move to new drivers regardless of cards. The 50 series is good the drivers have just sucked. That being said I think the latest is decent. I finally moved on from 572.83.

>>106294281
Wiping off dust. Random fingerprints from moving it around when I'm cleaning my desk every month. Oled TV panels aren't this fragile.

>>106295563
Then the Antec Flux Pro will do you solid.

>>106295281
Less VRAM? AMD?

>>106291267
>10700k but no 12600k
Shit list rigged for amd

>>106291667
That's an IPS. What burn-in?

>>106296087
The 5070Ti won't be obsolete for another 3 years at the very least. Stop making up bs and get that top tier edition.

>>106297359
It's not even worth 800. Most I would pay is 750 and that's being generous.

>>106296398
I'm sure it's da jooz or something.

>>106296400
Cope. The rich don't care about using and throwing their products at all. Especially on a 2-3 year timescale like you'd get with an OLED that burns in earlier.

>>106297369
Just accept getting shafted. It'll only get worse in the near future.

>>106297354
>25
>37
no sane person plays games at those cucked framerates. The question was about VRAM and AMD being inadequate anyway.

>>106297369
According to pcpartpicker there are 3 triple fan 5070ti models available for under $800, one is at msrp.

I just spent around $2000 for a PC setup. Super fucking excited to play games! Wooooooo!

>>106297400
>vram
yeah why do you think the lows are half of what they are on the 5070ti?

>>106297406
Have fun!

>>106297492
Thanks!

>>106297415
Cope.

>>106297406
Hopefully you got a top tier mousepad and mouse as well. Really makes all the difference in PC gaming.

>>106297555
I got the Logitech G502 X Lightspeed and I just got whatever $13 dollar full desk mat I found on amazon

>>106297400
AMD VRAM is used less efficiently

>>106289240
crts look like blurry glowy garbage thoughbeit

>>106297042
>>106297042
>>106297042

>>106296398
>Why are you so hesitant to post a simple picture of your hand and some non-identifiable portion of an ID?
>Do you perhaps have something to hide? Here. I'll start.
State one obvious fact and even agree on your wrong opinion followed by "post id"
no I don't have anything to hide see you next thread

>>106296387
>I need my pc parts to last 2 decades without failure
you are not living in reality

>Electronics aren't wear items
objectively they are as they degrade

>OLEDs shouldn't be given every excuse possible to justify their burn and abandonment after such a short amount of time.
go ahead, show me the alternative, especially in the TV size
pro tip there is none
plus they never were for poorfags either

>>106297204
not ideal viewing conditions for picture quality
if you need the sun shining at your screen, oled vs lcd wont matter much
you cant see picture quality then anyway

>>106288862
this aint the conroe moment you are looking for boy

>>106289240
op pic isn't a crt you mongrel parrot