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Anonymous No.64114119 >>64114173 >>64114175 >>64114181 >>64114184 >>64114191 >>64114197 >>64114218 >>64114318 >>64114356 >>64114376 >>64114434 >>64114440 >>64114613 >>64115029 >>64115088 >>64115814 >>64115889 >>64116981 >>64117806 >>64118815 >>64121867 >>64121954 >>64122001 >>64122131 >>64122195 >>64122206 >>64122335
ITT: we critique fictional military equipment
Anonymous No.64114139 >>64114462 >>64114761 >>64115089 >>64115316
No drone protection. There, that works for every piece of fictional military equipment you can post
I win
Anonymous No.64114163 >>64115150
Most fictional "military" equipment are old weapons with a futuristic styled bodykit, functionally there's no difference.
Anonymous No.64114173 >>64114176 >>64114435 >>64115937
>>64114119 (OP)
Everyone thinks it's the big MBt and not a light scout tank
here is the big MBT version
Anonymous No.64114175
>>64114119 (OP)
6 pedals, but only 4 directions.
Anonymous No.64114176 >>64114435
>>64114173
Anonymous No.64114181 >>64114399 >>64115106 >>64115115
>>64114119 (OP)
>exposed MG turret, sole purpose of MG crewman is to shoot the MG
>No AA missiles to compliment the whole 'one man jugernaut' feeling the Scorpion gives
>No V-shaped hull
>Not mounting a fucking mini mac standard
>Having the driver offset to the side, instead of an objectively superior attack-helicopter adjacent crew position
>Not just using a turret mounted CROWS system
>Not having more armor
>(sometimes) no coaxial mg

The scorpion would only be good against dudes throwing rocks and shit and shitty insurrectionists. It is only still relevant because the Covenant have no tanks, only SP mortars (the Wraiths) and 'meh' air support options in atmosphere...

The best idea is unironically the one man needed characteristic. One could even make the view third person with a tethered drone, it would greatly increase awareness and would be useful for multiple uses. It also seems optimized for aerial deployment via pelican, which would make many of the shortcomings more reasonable.
Anonymous No.64114184
>>64114119 (OP)
Scorpion was ahead of its time. Most of the HALO ground vehicles ended up being.
Anonymous No.64114191 >>64114204
>>64114119 (OP)
If its Halo or 40k it is gay and retarded 90% of the time. At least the Halo developers don't hate you like GW does despite having a fan base willing to take more loads than a laundromat washing machine
Anonymous No.64114197
>>64114119 (OP)
Halo CE rendition seems to be the most 'solid', no fucktarded exposed MG, coax, 2 crew. It just werx. All it needs to really seem to be a step up from current tanks would be some drone launching canisters and a much more comprehensive sensor suite.
Anonymous No.64114204 >>64114259 >>64114318
>>64114191
What on Earth do you mean anon? This turret seems perfectly proportionate to me.
Anonymous No.64114218 >>64114259 >>64114341 >>64115889 >>64118526
>>64114119 (OP)
Fallout 3's combat shotgun
>magazine in front of pump
>magazine under vented barrel
>so rounds travel back through the pump and then up into the chamber?
Anonymous No.64114259 >>64114341 >>64114403 >>64114458
>>64114204
>That insanely tiny turret ring made even smaller due to their odd side angle design choice
Every time I see their retarded shit I cant help but discover some new thing to hate
>>64114218
I think it was semi auto. Years ago like pre 2010 /k/ had a diagram for how that could work. The real obvious issue that most fictional firearms don't addres is that there is no room for the bolt to cycle.
Anonymous No.64114318 >>64114403 >>64114456
>>64114119 (OP)
Hmmm, looks like 40k got some inspiration from somewhere. Either way some of the 40k tanks are much better than others, >>64114204 , with this terminally retarded design being one of the most egregious examples, and is one of the main reasons I see the setting as completely retarded. Broadsiding during space battles is also fucking stupid, kek.
Anonymous No.64114341
>>64114218
>>64114259
it's actually a matter accelerator with a functionally infinite internal magazine, the drum on the front is actually just a heat sink.
Ignore the 12 gauge shells it ejects, those are just cosmetic.
Anonymous No.64114356 >>64114357 >>64116683
>>64114119 (OP)
ARMC Instead from Dougram
Anonymous No.64114357 >>64114423 >>64116683
>>64114356
also this comes with a partial specs writeup but idunno how useful it'd be
Anonymous No.64114376 >>64114399 >>64115687
>>64114119 (OP)
>exposed hull MG seat
>inadequate driver protection
>exposed weak spot underneath main gun
>only a 90mm gun on a massive vehicle
>ridiculously oversized for a 1 man vehicle
>coax not always usable in every game
>no other weapon systems or useful equipment despite being huge and having ample weight/space allowance
>Poor situational awareness from only one crew member (more of a tradeoff than a flaw)
Not good but not so bad it's unfixable. At the very least it does seem to work against Covenant AFVs.
Anonymous No.64114399
>>64114181
>>64114376
u r pp poo poo, anon. I already made (most) of ur points.

The best 'future' designs are ones that simply improve upon pre-existing ideas. Pic rel, Akira tank. Just seems like an improved derivative of the K1 or similar.

Most movies/games/sloppa just go too far when trying to portray otherwise mostly conventional forces as 'futuristic' and different.
Anonymous No.64114403 >>64114410 >>64114456
>>64114259
>>64114318
You leave the Leman Russ alone, he's trying his best.
Anonymous No.64114410 >>64114419 >>64114434 >>64114540 >>64114642 >>64116263 >>64120579 >>64121539
>>64114403
How many different human factions are there? I always just interpreted 40k as Space marines and Imperials vs Orks, Green niggas, evil space marines, and generic 'holy'? aliens.

Is the Imperium made up of smaller factions of unique groups or some shit. Still no excuse for the rarded designs. I would rather just use the hull without the turret, it is dead weight and a shot magnet.
Anonymous No.64114419 >>64114456 >>64114529
>>64114410
There are a few independent systems that the Imperium sees their integration as an ongoing WIP, and they have their own vehicle designs.
Anonymous No.64114423 >>64114479 >>64114536 >>64114545 >>64115595
>>64114357
If only most media was as well thought out as gayass japanese mecha anime. I fucking hate gundam, even if some of the designs are pretty cool. The ground units seem mostly competent aswell, even if they dont seem to be much of a focus.
Anonymous No.64114434
>>64114119 (OP)
I am still yet to be convinced that the whole premise of Halo wasn't a secret coordinated plot by the leaders of the UNSC and Covenant to drain themselves of excess population and military surplus.
>>64114410
I remember the follow up article to that where the design was torn to shreds.

Anyway here is my contribution
>Twin tank cannons and quad tracks are dumb before getting into anything else about the design
>Gatling cannon point defense though quite prophetic.
Anonymous No.64114435 >>64114559
>>64114173
>>64114176
That's probably the craziest thing to me. What we see in the game is presumably a fraction of what the UNSC arsenal actually is- primarily because everything we get is the lightest and fastest moving of the lot for gameplay reasons (ignoring how slow the scorpion is, that's also for gameplay)
Anonymous No.64114440
>>64114119 (OP)
gun way too high, easy target in traditional tank v. tank.
Anonymous No.64114456 >>64114700
>>64114318
>>64114403
>>64114419
Isn't that the point though? They are in a technological darkage and just throw numbers at everything with no regard for life because they have a near endless manpowerpool. Also broadsiding is retarded but it fits the setting since they are tactically retarded no? Don't really follow 40k I just enjoy the aesthetic mostly.
Anonymous No.64114457 >>64114468 >>64114471 >>64114476 >>64115573
Anonymous No.64114458
>>64114259
>Every time I see their retarded shit I cant help but discover some new thing to hate
If it helps you, the miniature is just a WW1 tank with a somewhat random early WW2 turret aand a comically huge barrel stuck on.
The tank has sponson guns for fucks sake.

Here is an almost sane 40k tank destroyer to calm the autism..
Anonymous No.64114462 >>64114466
>>64114139
Drones wouldn't do shit to a Bolo
Anonymous No.64114466 >>64114503
>>64114462
Because Bolos have screens which were developed to counter drones until they snowballed into full-on energy shields.
Anonymous No.64114468 >>64114508 >>64114591 >>64114617 >>64115795 >>64115831 >>64117071
>>64114457
For as cool as some jap designs are, they almost always put too many 'greebles' on their aircraft designs.
Anonymous No.64114471 >>64114481
>>64114457
I am confused what is the saucer on the plane even for; because it isn't to look 'cool'.
Anonymous No.64114476 >>64114494 >>64115409
>>64114457
both from Patlabor
Anonymous No.64114479 >>64115341
>>64114423
Its optimal to rush with tank and attack plane in Jiren's ambition for the one year war.
Anonymous No.64114481 >>64114485
>>64114471
( β€’_β€’) - - - (You)
Anonymous No.64114485 >>64114498 >>64114506 >>64114507
>>64114481
>it's real
What is it?
Anonymous No.64114486 >>64114498 >>64114506 >>64114718
Neat idea: have your fictional Russian IFV share a chassis with their SPG
Bizarre idea: choose the G6 as that chassis for some reason
Anonymous No.64114494 >>64115795
>>64114476
There's a bunch of stuff that was designed for that movie but then never gets shown clearly, which is a shame. Like this tetris'd Type 74.
Anonymous No.64114497 >>64114535
Hammer's Slammers is basically Battletech if it wasn't retarded
Anonymous No.64114498
>>64114486
Thanks EA
>>64114485
Time to read, newfaggot.
Anonymous No.64114503
>>64114466
Exactly, his post premise was presented as an absolute, he was clearly wrong.
Anonymous No.64114506 >>64114612 >>64115332
>>64114485
AWACS, look it up newfag.
>>64114486
Boobiesoft never dissapoints in their mental retardation.
Anonymous No.64114507
>>64114485
Radar, it can detect threats that are very far away and allow other aircraft that aren't as specialized to "see" what they wouldn't otherwise be able to
Anonymous No.64114508 >>64114617
>>64114468
Shoji Kawamori is maybe the only mecha designer with a backround in engineering.
Anonymous No.64114529 >>64121739
>>64114419
absolutely heretical
Anonymous No.64114535 >>64114542 >>64114681
>>64114497
I dislike the lack of aircraft and don't find the handwave explanations for it particularly believable. I'm only really familiar with the tabletop game incarnation, though.
Anonymous No.64114536
>>64114423
all the later tryhard attempts to dress up MSG designs as gritty and plausible are so lame, the type 61 is one of the lesser examples but still.
Anonymous No.64114540 >>64114655
>>64114410
>Still no excuse for the retarded designs
The reasons the vehicles are the way they are is because Humanity is suppose to be collapsing in the universe, Every year they lose access to technology that they previously had because of how their society operates.

All technology (and technological progress) is handled by the Admech, Who worship all technology created by the humans during the DOAT. Said admech only have access to scraps of the technology that the DOAT humans had.

The problem in universe is that because the admech control all tech there is next to no innovation that is allowed in 40k, as a person who innovates is viewed as an individual who thinks that they know better than a DOAT human, which is a big no no in the eyes of the admech.

The Leman Russ is one of the most used tanks because its original STC is plentiful (As the "tank" is actually a tractor that was modified with armor and weapons).
Anonymous No.64114542
>>64114535
The lack of aircraft is the most bothersome thing to me as well.
Anonymous No.64114545 >>64114557 >>64115445 >>64115523 >>64115595 >>64115795
>>64114423
It's a shame the most famous ground vehicle in Gundam is the Magella Attack, the stupid fucking tank with a turret that can't traverse horizontally and is a vtol. There's some really fun designs hiding in it's shadow.
Anonymous No.64114557
>>64114545
the weasel is really funny because they put a 37mm autocannon on an IFV
what the fuck does a modern 37mm autocannon even look like, it sounds like an inside joke
Anonymous No.64114559
>>64114435
there's ANOTHER tank I'm looking for a picture of it looks like the scorp but SQUASHED and FLAT and it's got a mini-mac gun
Anonymous No.64114591 >>64118584
>>64114468
Royal Space Force has a bunuch of pretty cool designs.
Anonymous No.64114608 >>64114626 >>64114970 >>64115581 >>64122067
I love multiturret tanks.
Anonymous No.64114612 >>64115023 >>64115795
>>64114506
>newfag
I'm not and honestly have no clue how I haven't seen this before. Especially as someone who likes planes.
Anonymous No.64114613 >>64117821
>>64114119 (OP)
Anonymous No.64114617 >>64114991
>>64114468
>>64114508
Variable fighters aren't particularly greebled as far as jap designs go. Most of the fine details on the VF-1 are either lifted from actual aircraft or are shown to have a purpose. For example, the black circles on the nose and near the wing root in pic are RCS thrusters, and I'm pretty sure they're used in the show at least once.
Anonymous No.64114621 >>64114664
Anonymous No.64114626 >>64114674
>>64114608
*losses to mud*
Anonymous No.64114642
>>64114410
>How many different human factions are there?
1 per every couple planets, seemingly.
Anonymous No.64114650 >>64114663 >>64114664 >>64115456 >>64115556 >>64121882
So how did they even expect this to work?
Anonymous No.64114655 >>64121393
>>64114540
>As the "tank" is actually a tractor that was modified with armor and weapons
'fraid not bruv, that's fanon. The Russ is a proper DAoT STC for a tank, meaning some giga-brain AI decided that it's the best solution for whatever problem they fed to the STC.
Why does it look like an abortion then? Trust ze plan
Anonymous No.64114663
>>64114650
The mech not skipping legday.
Anonymous No.64114664
>>64114621
Built for Big BETA Cock
>>64114650
No clue, the magic Russian child haunting it kinda worked
Anonymous No.64114674
>>64114626
That's why tanks are fantasy vehicles we keep making because they look cool and we're stupid. They get stuck on shit all the time.
Anonymous No.64114681 >>64124387
>>64114535
In the very first story there's a group of bombers that get erased from existence as soon as they cross the horizon. The particle guns in Hammers Slammers plus the satellite recon are pretty bullshit. Normal arty isn't even safe from powergun screens.
Anonymous No.64114700 >>64114786 >>64114807 >>64116062
>>64114456
It is. There is little to no innovation, partially because of religious dogma, but also because it is genuinely dangerous. A new circuit diagram or engine schematic might accidentally include a demon summoning sigil or number sequence that would invoke a particular aspect of one of the chaos gods and tear open a hole in reality when it was drawn, so new designs are suppressed or created only in extremely controlled environments. In general, only things that are known to be safe to use are used to avoid accidentally empowering/summoning demons. There are a couple stories like this, one was a rug weaver who accidentally summoned opened a portal in the heart of a city like that. The disproportionate turret on the tank is because the chassis is actually an industrial tractor that got a turret from a different, purpose-built tank slapped on it, but the designs for the original were lost at some point and it's too dangerous to innovate so they used an available chassis. Browning designs still exist, specifically the 1911 and the M2, as well as AR15/AR180.
Anonymous No.64114718
>>64114486
Hull is like a South African G6, with an AA turret
Anonymous No.64114736
This fat bitch.
Anonymous No.64114761
>>64114139
Any fictional equipment with shields would have drone protection.
Anonymous No.64114786 >>64114793 >>64114832 >>64116062
>>64114700
So how did the original designs get made then? Are the other factions similarly tech locked by chaos cancer if they design something new?
Anonymous No.64114793 >>64114807
>>64114786
The original designs got made before the Eldar fucked everything up. And, yes except for the Tau because they have no souls.
Anonymous No.64114807 >>64114819 >>64114873 >>64114898 >>64115936 >>64116062 >>64122149
>>64114700
>>64114793
I feel like this is mostly fanon. We know they consider lostech dangerous, and innovation is risky and slow and gatekept by various factions, but the outright "you will summon demons if you put on an acog" has never really been backed up by much.

Also considering they just went through a massive tech upheaval and replaced loads of weapons and it was fine.
Anonymous No.64114819
>>64114807
Everything about 40k needs to be taken with a massive "it depends on the writer". The whole "any innocuous action can possibly summon a daemon" thing was a plot point in (IIRC) the Grey Knights books, and Abnett has occasionally used the "knowing the name of a Chaos god or even accidentally using their sacred number opens you to possession" thing, but there're other writers that treat the setting almost as pure sci fi.
Anonymous No.64114832
>>64114786
Dark age when humans were more secular I guess.
Anonymous No.64114836 >>64118590
Anonymous No.64114873
>>64114807
>the outright "you will summon demons if you put on an acog" has never really been backed up by much.
There was that recent animation where a librarian almost falls to Tzneetch because he counts book number 99999 (9 is Tzneetch's favorite number or something) and the head of his library is actually a chaos cultist in hiding.

It isn't something that really happens randomly so much as it's easy to chaos' agents to insert their influence through things that wouldn't normally matter, but do for chaos for esoteric/occult magic reasons.
Anonymous No.64114898 >>64115068
>>64114807
>and it was fine.
didn't it push this dork to the front of the line to Chaos God status?
Anonymous No.64114970
>>64114608
Wait a second
This is just a rounder OI-Tank
Anonymous No.64114991 >>64118699
>>64114617
Maybe it's just that I'm not used to the style of 3dcg animation, but I feel like a lot of the later variable fighters like the VF-25 suffer more from overgreebling and don't look as smooth as the VF-1.
Also this shit is only justified by variable fighters having ridiculously overpowered powerplants that give them like 10+ TWR and allow designers to just build whatever the hell they want
Anonymous No.64114998 >>64115017 >>64115057 >>64118598 >>64118815
>the anti-LCAC
wtf would this thing ever be used for?
Anonymous No.64115007 >>64120607 >>64122884
>'ere we go ere we go!
>'ere we go ere we go!
>'ere we go ere we go!
Anonymous No.64115017
>>64114998
Garbage disposal in a heavily planned city
Also maybe the weight capacity and endurance is greater than an equivalently sized and powered hovercraft
Anonymous No.64115023
>>64114612
How are you into planes yet you've never heard of AWACS before? Anyone who knows anything beyond the surface level about military aircraft would know about them. I don't believe you. What's next, you didn't know aerial refueling was a thing?
Anonymous No.64115028 >>64115375 >>64115422 >>64118603 >>64121944
Anonymous No.64115029 >>64115057 >>64115687
>>64114119 (OP)
What the hell was the reason that UNSC weapon developments had gotten stuck between the 21-22 century? We already have working prototypes of laser point defence systems and autonomous drones, something there is very little of in the UNSC.
Anonymous No.64115057
>>64114998
It's a massive armored recovery vehicle, thus the huge crane. Yes it's stupid but they at least came up with a plausible excuse for it. It's not really supposed to be a front line combat vehicle.

>>64115029
The UNSC makes some use of drone fighters, particularly for planetary defense (you see one get shot down in Halo 3: ODST) but manned systems are preferred for out of atmosphere operations because the ranges they can operate at make remote control and communication unreliable.
As for why they don't use more autonomous systems, the creators vastly overestimated how long it would take and how much it would cost to make reliable AI systems. AI cores in the Halo universe are expensive and can't be mass produced for some reason, because they're supposed to be highly advanced neural networks that are based on the brains of dead geniuses. It's pretty stupid and it's clear that no one who wrote that had any idea about what they were talking about. Similar story for lasers and other advanced technologies
Anonymous No.64115068
>>64114898
To be fair updating your entire subfactions military to a vastly superior set of equipment and the downside is that you summon the jobber king is a pretty fair trade.
Anonymous No.64115088 >>64115165 >>64116007 >>64116703
>>64114119 (OP)
what if there's nothing to critique. this is literally the perfect tank design.
Anonymous No.64115089 >>64115551 >>64117832
>>64114139
*fills the air with shrapnel*
nothin personnel, kid
Anonymous No.64115092
Anonymous No.64115106
>>64114181
Maingun handles aircraft just fine.
Anonymous No.64115115
>>64114181
Don't forget that it only has a 90mm cannon
Anonymous No.64115123
Thanatos will never be a real woman.
Anonymous No.64115150
>>64114163
idk, that seems fine on the face of it. I think that real life light sabers would be different enough from any actual real life weapons that their use is worth talking about, despite the fact that real life light sabers wouldn't be useful weapons.
Anonymous No.64115165
>>64115088
I'm just imagining it trying to get through a low overpass or through a garage door and all it can do is just speed forward while firing the cannon at the right moment to lean it back for clearance.
Anonymous No.64115260 >>64115458
always loved these riced out B2 bombers from NGE
Anonymous No.64115316
>>64114139
mmm yummy
Anonymous No.64115323
Anonymous No.64115332
>>64114506
EndWar is at least fun
Anonymous No.64115341 >>64115344 >>64115407 >>64115471
>>64114479
The Type-61 was what won the majority of ground battles in the OYW but mechfags don't want you to know that
Anonymous No.64115344 >>64115347 >>64115379 >>64115403 >>64115407 >>64115471
>>64115341
Needing 8 tanks to take out a single mech is not a good exchange rate
Anonymous No.64115347 >>64115471
>>64115344
it is economically
Anonymous No.64115375
>>64115028
i will never respect bethesda
Anonymous No.64115379 >>64115407 >>64115471
>>64115344
good thing there was a dozen of them per every mech
Anonymous No.64115403 >>64115407
>>64115344
It is when you factor in the fact that the Z-II needs to get to Earth from the other side of the solar system and each pilot is the equivalent of a commissioned officer that takes years to trains. A Zaku needs to take out a company of tanks to earn back its cost, and the math is squarely against it.
Anonymous No.64115407 >>64115471
>>64115341
>The Type-61 was what won the majority of ground battles in the OYW
No they didn't. They weren't even really better than zeon tanks were.
>>64115344
>>64115379
1 zaku costs as much to produce as 3 tanks and doesn't need as many crew.
>>64115403
>takes years to trains
The war didn't even go for a year.
Anonymous No.64115409 >>64115434 >>64122170
>>64114476
>Patlabor
Let's talk about the Helldiver in the room.
Anonymous No.64115422 >>64121235
>>64115028
Aside from the obvious retardation, I don't understand how Bethesda can add so many bulges, hatches, etc. where optics or periscopes or viewports would logically be placed and then decide not to add any. This shit almost feels intentional.
Anonymous No.64115434
>>64115409
this is a hannibal board
Anonymous No.64115445 >>64115523 >>64115595 >>64121487
>>64114545
>the Magella Attack, the stupid fucking tank with a turret that can't traverse horizontally and is a vtol.
To be fair it's a setting:
- where long range detection/missile isn't possible anymore (magic particles jam everything, even visual spectrum)
- where 18m tall mecha are considered a valid weapon

I can imagine the reasoning behind the magella attack:
- it's a tank-hunter (very big gun),
- if you obtain information about the enemies tank, you keep the lower frame hidden and take off,
- enemy tanks can't hit you with their big guns with no elevation,
- you can destroy the tank using your big gun then go back,
- it can also be used to support troops, artillery strike from any direction

It's basically an Attack-copter that don't operate from a base, and has a huge gun because missiles can't be guided anymore unless wired
Anonymous No.64115456
>>64114650
As far I understand, it didn't work unless you used a damn psychic.
It's a silly "James bond superweapon" by Kojima standard.
Anonymous No.64115458 >>64115461 >>64115795
>>64115260
I'm a sucker for infrastructure.
I could watch a super-robot show where we never see the super-robot, only the super-infrastructure used to get it into battle
Anonymous No.64115461
>>64115458
impossibly based and same
Anonymous No.64115471 >>64120658 >>64120804
>>64115341
>>64115344
>>64115347
>>64115379
>>64115407
The only reason they won that battle is their enemies got cocky, letting tanks chose the terrain, with plenty of decoys, not jumping out with jump-jet the second the smoke come in, incapable of leading the shoot on a target that's literally right next to them...

For every T-61 that won against a Zaku, dozens were destroyed as if mooks.
Anonymous No.64115499 >>64115554
Why does it scream
Anonymous No.64115523 >>64115595 >>64122606
>>64114545
>>64115445
I double down the Megalla attack is kinda smart,
Thought the unofficial specs given does make it a difficult sell

>Magella Attack system which served as the main battle tank of the Zeon forces. Due to a demand for aerial attacks against ground forces with thin top armor, the Magella Top, armed with a 175mm recoilless cannon, could fly independently from the Magella Base. However, its accuracy was greatly reduced while in flight, and its effective firing range was less than 600 meters. Its flight time was only five minutes, and in many cases it had to make an emergency landing because its Magella Base, having lost its fighting abilities, had been destroyed.

Funny trivia:
The bad guys of the gundam setting lived in space colonies.
That's why they had difficulties to test any of their aerial vehicle, submarines, and their ground vehicle put too much importance on 360Β° direct vision.
Anonymous No.64115530 >>64115533 >>64117111 >>64122116
What does /k/ think of Foxhole's vehicles?
Anonymous No.64115533 >>64115536
>>64115530
Anonymous No.64115536
>>64115533
Anonymous No.64115542 >>64115574
Anonymous No.64115551
>>64115089
Makes me think of the m6 but with two same sized guns
Anonymous No.64115554
>>64115499
Psychological warfare, not like it would even bother hiding.

Also, ignoring the "muh stealth technically a bomb not a self-propelled missile" masterplan, it was originally built as a ANTI-MISSILE DEFENSE system, even toning down the bullshit it would certainly be able to shoot space satellite at 300km, and it would do great as an artillery system capable of shooting cheap projectiles at ridiculous range.

The enemy would need air-defense capable of shooting (big) shell(s) coming down around every infrastructure of importance >600km away.
If they try to attack the Rex itself, they need enough missiles/projectiles to overcome friendly defense and its own defense.
Anonymous No.64115556
>>64114650
Huey figured he would make it look cool and the logistics of it would come to him later. This is a sound strategy.
Anonymous No.64115573
>>64114457
G..glasses kun...
Anonymous No.64115574
>>64115542
hell yeah
Anonymous No.64115581 >>64115587
>>64114608
>if it were a historical tank various armies would have build them, fact!
nigga needs to stop drinking his own kool-aid
Anonymous No.64115587 >>64115604
>>64115581
is it not just a bad translation? it sounds more like he's saying if you're gonna make fictional designs what's the point of making them plausible, plus the use of romance in the sense of fantasy.
Anonymous No.64115595
>>64114545
>>64115445
>>64115523
i'll just repeat this from the mech thread from a few days ago since this is the second time the magella attack came up
>they had a good MBT actually, they just fucked it by thinking too hard about countering potental federal mobile suit development
>also it was like 70 years minimum since the last major land conflict on earth
>>64114423
it's interesting how that worked out. when gundam ditched the toys to pivot into plastic models early on, that basically roped the military vehicle modeling crowd into the audience. so as more of the audience started joining the staff for mecha shows you end up seeing more and more military nerd influence everywhere
Anonymous No.64115604
>>64115587
comes off to me as
>if it was possible to build something like this everyone would have done it
Anonymous No.64115687 >>64115730
>>64114376
>>64115029

>only a 90mm gun on a massive vehicle
There's nothing to suggest it's comparable to a historical 90mm just because the projectile is the same width.
Anonymous No.64115730
>>64115687
Doesn't really matter if the Halo 90mm is better or not, the Scorpion is simply dimensionally big enough for greater firepower. It's not like the UNSC can't make better armed tanks. The Grizzly had two 120mms, the Cobra has one high caliber and two low caliber railguns, and the Rhino has a plasma cannon.
Anonymous No.64115795 >>64116059
Star Destroyers are basically LHAs, equipped more for amphibious assault and supporting enduring garrison operations, and with only a relative handful of fighters
for fuck's sake, the Empire really should budget for a few squadrons of dedicated warships, instead of going all in on Vader's single Superduper Star Destroyer

so the entire Imperial fleet is basically made up of not-Tarawa-class LHAs and one (1) huge warship

if only the Emperor knew about this...

>>64114468
>take real world plane
>add greebles, lumps, random intakes, aerials and winglets
is a quick and easy way to make shit look near-future for retard anime artists
and the results aren't terrible, really

>>64114494
this one looks more real than the fucking M60 RISE the Marines used

>>64114545
>ground vehicle in Gundam
I really like the MS08 hovercraft

>>64114612
anon, I don't know what to say, you claim all that but you don't know the literal greatest breakthrough in Cold War military aviation. you're at least 50 years behind the times. (much more if earlier, less-well-known examples are included)

>>64115458
>I'm a sucker for infrastructure
you and my dad both
he watched Pacific Rim and was bitching about how they should've designed better helicopters to transport the Jaegers
I was like, "THAT'S your engineering beef with this entire movie? really?!"
Anonymous No.64115814 >>64115815
>>64114119 (OP)
>Be me, head of a CIS special weapons think tank. Graduate from the Raxus War College, holder of a doctorate from Coruscant University in radical weapons theory, recipient of three β€œHero of the Confederacy” medals
>In a brainstorming session with a Skakoan colleague while my Zygerrian protΓ©gΓ© dot’s notes down, the Techno Union engineer is showing me the hologram for a new all purpose battle droid that will completely phase out the hapless B1’s
>While listening to his robotic warble I start to hear a commotion from outside getting closer, dreading the approaching source
>The Neimodian bursts in, face smeared in Pyke marching powder, a half smoked death stick clutched in his slime slicked fingers and with some drugged up Twi’lek harlot performing a death grip on his soiled robes so as not to fall over arse over head tail’s
>Appointed to this think tank because he’s Councilman Gunray’s sIde hoe’s, baby daddies, nephew’s, cousin’s, boyfriend’s, priest’s son’s drug dealer (or some convoluted nonsense like that)
>”Stop whatever you fags a doing I’ve just won us the war!”
>Dread to hear what Dooku forsaken idea he is about spew.
Anonymous No.64115815 >>64115816
>>64115814
>He knocks the Skakoan’s holo display aside before slamming down his own holo projector, revealing what seems to be a mass driver mining platform (completely unmodified mind you)
>”Behold the Seismic Tank, with this mighty weapon of destruction we shall crush the Republic and their slave soldiers, they will tremble in fear of our indestructible tower of might!”
>I wait for what feels like an eternity for him to say sike, he does not. I begin to explain to him why it’s a bad idea, for one it’s only offensive system is it’s mass driver and it’s got no defensive capabilities, two it moves a max speed of 20kph, three it’s un-shielded and will be a magnet for Republican artillery and space craft, and finally four the fucking thing costs the same as a Lucrehulk and would be more beneficial for the Confederacy if it remained as a mining platform.
>This all falls on deaf ears, the Neimodian is too busy trying to seduce my Zygerrian protΓ©gΓ© and the Skakoan is too busy taking holo-pictures of the passed out Twi’lek harlots arse
>I’m dismayed as I receive word that Gunray has personally given the Seismic Tank project the greenlight and has shelved the B1 replacement program
Anonymous No.64115816 >>64116481 >>64119967
>>64115815
>Fast forward two months and the dammed thing is deployed at Dantoonie
>mfw a lone Jedi Master destroys it in five minutes
>mfw it killed as many of our guys as it did the Republic’s
>mfw the fucking thing cost 8 trillion credits, which combined with the cost of the B1 crew, the collateral B2’s, the fuel and rare Earth (the fuck is a Earth?) elements contained in the mass driver piston section, and the loss of revenue from the mining operations that we commandeered it from means that we blew away a unconceivable amount of credits like we were at a Zeltros mardi gras trying to get a look at pink tits
>mfw the loss of material was so great that not only did we lose Dantoonie but the entire sector to the Republic
>mfw Councilman Agente wants more Seismic Tanks so he can dump dirt on a planetary shield
>mfw the Twi’lek harlot was a Hutt spy who stole both the Skakoan’s battle droid blueprints and his heart (now I have to deal with a emo autist in a pressure suit)
>mfw my Zygerrian protΓ©gΓ© is pregnant with my child
>mfw the Neimodian keeps falling upwards and is now the Viceroy of Cato Neimodia
>mfw Gunray has called for my resignation and that I should be sent to the Mygeeto front
>mfw the Corpo’s are going to cost us this war and I’m going to be charged by the Republic for war crimes
>mfw I suffer in the Confederacy of Independent Systems
Anonymous No.64115831 >>64122196
>>64114468
case in point: 60 years of French fighter development
>artist-chan, draw me a futuristic fighter for my near-future anime techno-thriller blockbuster
>director-san, I don't know anything about military aeronautical engineering
>use your imagination, or I'll find some other artist who can. here, this is the current French fighter jet, figure something out
>...
>here director-san, I added a pointy thingy sticking out the nose, lumps, a backseater, two mini-wings in front, massive bumps on the body like an over-the-hill JAV idol, wingtip missile racks, and even a bump on the tail rudder but square to change it up, and for extra credit even the bombs have mini-wings now
>excellent work! tonight we go to Shinjuku for yakitori and geishas!
you best believe in anime fighter world, cause you're living in it
Anonymous No.64115889 >>64115910 >>64116071
>>64114119 (OP)
>>64114218
Fallout 3 and Fallout 4's guns make me very very angry
>chambered in .45 ACP
Anonymous No.64115910 >>64115943 >>64115948 >>64116071
>>64115889
FO3 has some stinkers but basically every FO4 gun is complete garbage.
>Combat rifle is loaded in .45 for some stupid fucking reason
>Assault rifle is actually a watercooled(???) light machinegun except whoops it's loaded in 5.56mm for some dumbass reason
>Game outright LACKS a sniper rifle, no, modding the hunting rifle does not count
>All handguns are so grossly inflated they need 2 hands to use
Anonymous No.64115936 >>64116062
>>64114807
>they just went through a massive tech upheaval and replaced loads of weapons and it was fine.
This was because GW wanted to introduce new models (primarily marines, the imperial guard to astra militarum shift, femcustodes, etc...) so the lore was made to accommodate. In older lore, if tech didn't come from a Standard Template Construct schematic that had been rigorously reviewed and tested by the adeptus mechanicus, it was considered at worst heretical and inherently tainted and at best too risky to use because it might be tainted. GW handwaved all that when they dropped the new model lines, and a lot of stuff got retconned or ignored. Like other anons have mentioned, it also heavily depended on the writer. I'm also a grognard who thinks nuhammer is fake and gay, and will only accept lore and rules from 4th ed and older.
Anonymous No.64115937
>>64114173
Not in the games so it doesn't count. Also I swear I remember either the CE or Halo 2 manual refer to the Scorpion as the MBT
Anonymous No.64115943 >>64115945 >>64116071
>>64115910

Air cooled, it looks like the barrel shroud was inspired by a Lewis gun.
Anonymous No.64115945 >>64116071
>>64115943
The fucking thing has water tubes and shit, it's obviously supposed to be water cooled but Todd has no clue what that means.
Anonymous No.64115948 >>64116071
>>64115910
>Game outright LACKS a sniper rifle, no, modding the hunting rifle does not count
same with the plasma and laser pistol. They are magically shrunken rifles, that grow into full sized rifles when you take the stock off. That's literally what happens. It drives me up the fucking wall.
Anonymous No.64116007
>>64115088
Great Leader agrees, long live Great Leader!
Anonymous No.64116059 >>64116101
>>64115795
>Star Destroyers are basically LHAs, equipped more for amphibious assault and supporting enduring garrison operations
Funny,
One of my attempt to rationalize & rework the whole "muh rebel little ship push & destroy gigantic empire warship" was to re-imagine them as 98% empty inside, only existing to carry ground invasion fleet and striking fear that, maybe, the one flying above is full of soldier ready to descend.
So rebel would trench run inside and blow up the unprotected bits

>Pacific Rim
>I was like, "THAT'S your engineering beef with this entire movie? really?!"
He is right tho.
It's literally just a 3D model that's not even going to get a close-up view,
Me, I'm more lamenting about how it was a wasted occasion to have rocket-powered mech-bodyboard carrying the mecha over sea
Jumping from something like that would have made a much more impressive entrance with 2x occasion to use it.
Anonymous No.64116062 >>64122149
>>64114700
>>64114807
>>64115936
This is indeed fanon. There is nothing deliberate about how the AdMech works. 99% of all internet-canon justifying the state of the Imperium is fanon. Someone writes up a cute story in /tg/ twenty years ago which gets popular for being "deconstructive" and it gets popularized on the internet. You might get a the occasional story about how something invites demons, but it's there to indicate the generally crap state of the universe, not to provide an excuse for the sorry state of the Imperium.

>>64114786
Innovation happens constantly, it's just that research in the modern way doesn't. The AdMech is perfectly capable of experimentation and coming up with e.g. new starship designs, they just do it by sticking together STC components in new ways. The important detail is that only the AdMech are allowed to do it. A guardman bolting on a heavy stubber to a pintle is tech heresy. A Magos doing the same is merely following a design intention inherent in an STC. A Space Marine doing the same will get all sort of flak for treading on ADMech toes but will get away with it.
Anonymous No.64116071 >>64116205 >>64116241
>>64115889
>>64115910
>>64115943
>>64115945
>>64115948
FO4 and all the Fallouts after New Vegas sucked because none of the old Interplay staff was brought on after the brutal up staging.
>Make FO3
>Generally good to just ok
>Interplay "Yeah it was ok but there's something missing."
>Bethesda "Ok, let's see you do better! Here's a fucking contract! Also you have 1.5 years to finish it!"
>Interplay "Tight but ok..."
The rest was gaming history and an explanation why FNV is still the most popular of the series.
Anonymous No.64116101 >>64119324
>>64116059
>attempt to rationalize & rework the whole "muh rebel little ship push & destroy gigantic empire warship"
is that Palpatine went super all-in on multipurpose warship concepts
>picrel
and failed to pivot back to having proper warships in time to stop Rebel weapons proliferation
it would've happened in our time too, if things had truly been so peaceful that the LCS was a success. the USN might have decided to replace the Burkes with do-everything Absalon-type multipurpose ships

>He is right tho
yes, when you sit down for a movie about skyscraper-tall giant robots rocket punching the shit out of flying godzillas, that's the least of your concerns
>It's literally just a 3D model that's not even going to get a close-up view
it was insane to expect a dozen Chinooks to sling-load a fucking skyscraper, they really must have just said "eh fuck it nobody will notice"
Anonymous No.64116147 >>64116158 >>64118625
Since fags talking Star Wars: BEHOLD!
Anonymous No.64116158
>>64116147
oh yeah this fucking thing
fucking useless even in EAW
I get that they wanted "TIE Tank" but it wouldn't have killed them to allow the centre pod to be bigger than the wheels. they could have kept the TIE aesthetic yet made it resemble a French Char B1
Anonymous No.64116205 >>64116208 >>64116217 >>64116241
>>64116071
Fallout New Vegas is honest to god at least one reason i got into guns. Other reasons were because of family members being into guns/hunting but regardless, im pretty sure New Vegas is where i first learned about different shotgun loads. Fallout 4 not having any different ammo types made me so fucking upon release. I remember Fallout 4 being disappointment after disappointment
Anonymous No.64116208
>>64116205
>different shotgun loads
I think Bioshock 2 is the only FPS vidya I've ever had actual fun with alt loads with
Anonymous No.64116217 >>64116237
>>64116205
>Fallout 4 not having any different ammo types made me so fucking upon release. I remember Fallout 4 being disappointment after disappointment
unironically, there's mods for that
>t. haven't played Fallout 4 in almost a decade
Anonymous No.64116237 >>64116468
>>64116217
>mods
yawn
even with mods i continuously got bored with Fallout 4. The characters, world map, every vanilla gun, it all sucks dookie. The map being 40% water was so lame.
Anonymous No.64116241 >>64116268
>>64116071
>>64116205
Fallout 4 was definitely disappointing in a lot of ways. I liked the new combat mechanics and how they handled power armor, I liked the setting since I grew up in Mass, and I'm a sucker for settlement building, but everything else was garbage, especially the weapons. I was excited for the possibility of the weapons modding system but it ended up being incredibly lackluster, and the absence of different ammo loads was a direct downgrade from New Vegas. The only gun I actually liked in the game was the lever-action .45-70 that you get in Far Harbor.
Come to think of it, Far Harbor also had a better setting and story than the base game.
Anonymous No.64116263
>>64114410
>How many different human factions are there?

Every planet has their own Planetary Defense Force, they are armed with whatever is available by the local government. Often they get corrupted by chaos or are just end up being military warlords. There's a million planets in the Imperium, some haven't been contacted in centuries or are just wilderness.
Anonymous No.64116268
>>64116241
>The only gun I actually liked in the game was the lever-action .45-70
even that was not safe from Bethestardation
>fire one shot, reload five
Anonymous No.64116310 >>64116493 >>64117519
Anonymous No.64116468
>>64116237
oh for sure, I haven't touched it in years. I just meant that there are probably ammo mods. FNV is way better.
Anonymous No.64116481
>>64115816
And yet CIS were still the better option compared to what the Republic ended up as. Good greentext story anon gave me a chuckle
Anonymous No.64116493
>>64116310
>this carries a whole three volleys!
Anonymous No.64116683
>>64114356
>>64114357
I love Dougram
Anonymous No.64116689
Anonymous No.64116693 >>64117846
The bread and butter air support of the setting.
Anonymous No.64116703
>>64115088
In fairness, the Sarubia is really a support minelayer and not really a tank.
Anonymous No.64116907 >>64117519 >>64122037 >>64122112
>you don't have to like it
>but its peak budget urban war crimes
Anonymous No.64116981
>>64114119 (OP)
Anonymous No.64117071 >>64118645
>>64114468
>greebles
In general greebles are a bonus. Tanks have additional equipment such as tools, tarps, extra oil, towing clevis, and crew rucksacks. Also a tank should have a camo net, especially a modern tank. Modern (russia is not modern) tanks have IR thermal camo nets.

Aircraft have probes sensor pods, panels, pylons, cannon or control surface blisters as well as landing gear bays, weapon bays, refueling probe/receptacle.

Ships have radar, doors, catwalks, electrical conduit, air conditioners, loading doors and trapdoors. Tie down clevis and other rigging and mounting system.
Anonymous No.64117111
>>64115530
>what do you think of riveted 1937 not german and not british tanks that basically could exist?
Unremarkable because there's a close analog of some prototype or paper tank in warblunder or wordoftonka
Anonymous No.64117519 >>64117561
>>64116310
RA3 in general is they went overboard. Overdesigned slop that somehow managed to look like knock off Chinese childrens toys.
>>64116907
Of all the Battletech designs that one actually has more merit in terms of a practical sense.
Anonymous No.64117561 >>64117823 >>64119250 >>64119711 >>64122037
>>64117519
>RA3
all the talent went into the cutscenes, you see

>Of all the Battletech designs that one actually has more merit in terms of a practical sense
Urbie worshipers forget that it's more of a Matilda II in 1955 than anything actually useful
Anonymous No.64117769 >>64119335
Anonymous No.64117806 >>64119711
>>64114119 (OP)
The VT’s design and implementation in Steel Battalion will probably always be my favorite depiction of mecha in any form. The art book made by the artist who created them, Industrial Divinities by Izumo Jyuki, is really cool too.
Anonymous No.64117821
>>64114613
VC has some really cool designs
Anonymous No.64117823 >>64119836
>>64117561
A Matilda II with a TOW bolted on to it, or ENTAC if we're to be period correct.
Anonymous No.64117832
>>64115089
I love those things. Always throw a couple into whatever rush im planing to get rid of bullshit gunship counters.
Anonymous No.64117846
>>64116693
this was mostly neat, but it also kinda scares me because i'm 90% sure that chin gun can't rotate at all. they really should've just put it on a fixed mount like the hind-f's 30mm
Anonymous No.64117854 >>64117860
From Girls Frontline, here come everyone favorite !zombie clean up squad KCCO.
Anonymous No.64117860 >>64117871
>>64117854
while capable of engaging military targets their main use was clearing out ELID populations near cities before they gained critical mass, broke the purification walls and ended one of the neo-soviet union's few remaining cities
Anonymous No.64117871 >>64117877
>>64117860
Majority of the force is autonomous drones directed by in the field human leadership
Anonymous No.64117877 >>64117883 >>64121927
>>64117871
Exosuits of a sort are common place but don't see to be general issue. Kinda required to stand up to dolls throwing them around otherwise
Anonymous No.64117883
>>64117877
I can't fit the exploded view of the IFVs or tanks so just look up the pixiv. They suffer from russian logic of overgunning and underarmoring the shit out of their IFVs like they do IRL but at least it this case it's more forgivable since they are blowing up silicon zombies that don't shoot back too much
Anonymous No.64118526
>>64114218
>in front of pump
its not a pump
>magazine under vented barrel
its not a vented barrel
>so rounds travel back through the pump and then up into the chamber?
its a spring that pushes shells from the drum through the tube and inter the chamber via another spring assisted lift
the rod under the barrel under the front sight is where the spring is
the drum mag is in the middle to act as a counter balance for recoil control
clearly
Anonymous No.64118584
>>64114591
>pretty cool designs.
pic unrelated?
Anonymous No.64118590
>>64114836
i feel like the hatch should open the other way to give cover to crew disembarking during combat
Anonymous No.64118598
>>64114998
recovery vehicle
mobile forward operations base
engineering
maintenance
multi environmental
ultra heavy armour
minor self defence capabilities
Anonymous No.64118603
>>64115028
i often try my best to defend or explain their retardation
but this pushes me over the line
im sorry, but i am simply incapable.
Anonymous No.64118613 >>64119711
Anonymous No.64118625
>>64116147
It does have the excuse of being meant to use already widespread TIE parts, and was meant to be a quick solution to a relative lack of heavy ground vehicles.
Anonymous No.64118645
>>64117071
>In general greebles are a bonus
Sure, but adding crew equiptment and making vehicles look used or even lived in is one thing. Making the base design look like it has tumors on an otherwise sleek design is retarded and going too far. Same with needless additions such as extra intakes or exhaust ports which either make no sense or are overkill.

Out of the way fiction-fags, best WWII tank coming through!
Anonymous No.64118646 >>64118656
>Armaments
Rocket cannon, laser cannon, electrode ray cannon
>Defences
Bulletproof chassis
>Maximum speed:
On land: 200 or 250 miles per hour (320 or 400 km/h)
On water: 50 knots (93 km/h; 58 mph)
>Propulsion
Twin turbo jets (on water)
>Power
Hydrogenic electric fuel cells
Removable power pack
Auxiliary batteries
>Mass
8 tons
>Length and width
25 feet (7.6 m) by 8 feet (2.4 m)

Oh and one small detail: The driver is facing backwards.
Anonymous No.64118656 >>64118671 >>64118732 >>64119711
>>64118646
its on the spectrum all right, kek.

Stupid designs for kid shows are alright because it doesnt matter if they make any sense, they just need to look the part.
Anonymous No.64118671 >>64118692 >>64122175
>>64118656
Anonymous No.64118684 >>64118741
Anonymous No.64118692 >>64118768
>>64118671
Thunderbirds is based. The 'eh' puppet era of the 60s and shit had many gems.
Anonymous No.64118699 >>64119352 >>64119365
>>64114991
desu that still makes much more subtle engineering autism put into a VF than into most comparable mecha. You can tell that Kawamori has an actual STEM degree, while people like Tomino failed to get into a technical high school. As far as aerodynamics go, there's also the consideration that these things are operating in space more than half the time, which combined with their powerplants juiced up on overtechnology makes atmospheric drag a lesser concern.

I strongly agree re: 3D animation. I'm not very fond of any of the designs that came after Macross 7, and hand-drawn animation has a thousand times more SOVL. Macross Plus is pea/k/.
Anonymous No.64118732
>>64118656
To be fair though, that kind of overly-complex nonsense was par-per-course for the time period in actual military prototypes.
Anonymous No.64118741
>>64118684
reminds me of the rocket from Tin Tin too, kino
Anonymous No.64118768 >>64118771 >>64118775
>>64118692
For me it was UFO.
Anonymous No.64118771 >>64118773
>>64118768
Anonymous No.64118773 >>64118779
>>64118771
Anonymous No.64118775 >>64120832 >>64121002
>>64118768
I can see why older tards are often interested in modeling, its soul. Only exposure I had was Thomas the Train, before it went shit and lost the models.
Anonymous No.64118779
>>64118773
Anonymous No.64118815
>>64114119 (OP)
>join Krimson Guard
>get handed THIS fucking thing
>it's a combination taser/grenade launcher on a pole
How the fuck am I supposed to defend the city from these interdimensional (?) demon alien creature things with this shit?

>>64114998
>hold RB to flip... wait, what? How did you do that?
Anonymous No.64118851 >>64119312
>get a blaster through Haven City's black market
>it's a shotgun that shoots maybe 15 feet in a weird fireball
>magazine (canister?) flies off when the gun is empty and cannot be refilled
>Krimson Guard have infinite ammo somehow though?
>can only find ammo in crates left by Krimson Guard around the city that are unsecured as well as found on said interdimensional demon alien creatures
???
Anonymous No.64119250 >>64119711 >>64119749
>>64117561
No, not Matilda but a Hetzer.
Anonymous No.64119268
>critique fictional military equipment
What a complete joke this one was. Didn't even have a cool futuristic/outlandish design, just a gay modular platform full of boring problems. It's like the whole faction using them was written as a joke, but it's presented with a deadpan face. Bad storytelling imo, too unrealistic to be relatable.
Anonymous No.64119312
>>64118851
It's an Eko battery. All the guns run off the stuff and how they work is color-coded
>red = big damage and low range because red eko is for punching shit
>blue = full auto and high movement stuff because blue eko makes you into sanic
>yellow = ... generic gun stuff because yellow eko is fire/throwing fire from your hands
>purple = wreckin' shit because purple eko will fuck you up
Anonymous No.64119324 >>64119433
>>64116101
Nothing wrong with multipurpose, as we are discovering with the current war, the stuff that take a long time to procure better be multipurpose to fill any hole left by enemy attacks. Especially when specialization will save nothing
What you specialize are the small stuff.
Starwars don't have any sense of consistency, so of course the underdog rebels will one-shot every superweapon instead of discovering it switched to back-up system nΒ°56 and that kamikaze had no more reason to cross the shield than anti-ship missiles, even it did, the back-up bridge would go online.
>that's the least of your concerns
That's the first of my concerns, we need to maximize entertainment.
>Chinooks to sling-load a fucking skyscraper
Lowest approximation I've seen is those weighting 1000,tons.
Anonymous No.64119335
>>64117769
Underrated design.
A spacecraft meant to change its orbit surfing over the atmosphere and the laser is to clean debris.
Anonymous No.64119352 >>64122181 >>64122311
>>64118699
Need a proper webm of all mind control scene.
>I strongly agree re: 3D animation. I'm not very fond of any of the designs that came after Macross 7, and hand-drawn animation has a thousand times more SOVL. Macross Plus is pea/k/.
Just saying, 2D animations cheat all the time when it comes to transformation, they like 3D because that's what they'll use to make toys.
Dang, look like IP fuckers removed the transformation scene from Zero on YT.
Anonymous No.64119355 >>64120625
Anonymous No.64119365 >>64122311
>>64118699
plus is lavish but sloppy narratively and hollow, macross sadly peaked with SDF. it's the only entry that managed to balance and excel in all three of its pillars, the others may have higher highs but never the same kind of holistic achievement
Anonymous No.64119433 >>64120136
>>64119324
>1000,tons
it carried a fucking ship like a fucking baseball bat...
Anonymous No.64119446 >>64119792
>throws you
Anonymous No.64119711 >>64119749 >>64119817 >>64122037
>>64117561
>cheap
>relatively well protected
>light enough to jump on top of most buildings
>can jump over most obstacles
>small enough to hide
>firepower to punch a decent sized hole through most units its expected to face
Its actually a very sensible and well thought out idea in the context of its role. As >>64119250 said its basically a Hetzer with legs although I'd call it a mobile gun turret.
So yeah there is at least a logic and reason for it to exist as opposed to something like pic related which for anons that don't know:
>expensive
>designed to scout but too slow for that role
>large enough that everyone is going to unload with everything they got the moment it appears but nowhere near enough protection to absorb the punishment
>no firepower to speak of with the best tactic people could come up with is to charge into those too slow to run away at high speed and hope for the best
Now that is a design that makes no logical sense at any stage during the design process
>>64117806
Don't think many people played Steel Battalion despite it being a /k/ as fuck mech simulator. While I do like the designs they always seemed like a single hit should be more than enough to destabilize them and fall over.
>>64118613
When you see the thumbnail it looks like a potentially decent SPAAG then when you open it up you see the horror. Christ.
>>64118656
Fuck aerodynamics :^)
Anonymous No.64119749 >>64119847 >>64122037
>>64119711
>>64119250
>basically a Hetzer
the Urbanmech had decent armour iirc (been years since I looked) so compared to other Mechs I thought it's kind of like a Matilda in 1955 - slow, inefficiently gunned, but thickish armour for its size
which is its only real saving grace
Anonymous No.64119792
>>64119446
Thanks, I’m mad again.

Getting into hand-to-hand combat with those things should be an immediate death sentence.
Anonymous No.64119817
>>64119711
>they always seemed like a single hit should be more than enough to destabilize them and fall over.
Falling over is actually a gameplay mechanic. VTs you shoot at can be knocked over as you describe and will get back up if they aren’t killed in time. You can easily flip your own VT over if you’re moving at high speed and turn too fast.
Anonymous No.64119836
>>64117823
>ENTAC
DAVY CROCKETT
Anonymous No.64119847 >>64119932
>>64119749
Talking base model, the AC/10 is more than enough to cripple the light mechs it is meant to deter in a single shot and enough to cause some mediums to worry. Problem has never really been the gun but more the lack of ammo so a Hetzer comparison does seem more appropriate.

Now if you want a Matilda comparison then I'd say something like the basic Hoplite. Yeah base model is armed with the same AC/10 as the Urbie but while that is quite a powerful gun on the Urbie, here being the only main weapon paired with an LRM5 makes it chronically underarmed. Hell even the bitch ass Shadow Hawk outguns it which is embarrassing enough. Hoplite's only saving grace is the thickish armour as you put it as it is not really fast or mobile enough to run away if it gets into trouble. UrbanMech may be slow but its jump jets give it a huge tactical advantage and way to retreat in built up areas.
Anonymous No.64119932 >>64120190
>>64119847
>bitch ass Shadow Hawk
the regular Shadow Hawk is actually a training Mech, and it's actually a good Mech to give new players
it has one type of every basic weapon and movement mode, and requires heat management
Anonymous No.64119967
>>64115816
>mfw my Zygerrian protΓ©gΓ© is pregnant with my child
That doesn’t sound too bad, I think
Anonymous No.64120136 >>64120304
>>64119433
There's ship and ship. It was a long one but a small one. It certainly didn't weight 1000 tons itself
Anonymous No.64120190 >>64120322
>>64119932
>Shad
>requires heat management
Not sure what you are doing but its almost impossible to overheat a Shad without actively being set on fire.
In tabletop you can give it to new players but better off giving them a Wolverine or Griffin to learn the ropes while using the Shad as an Opfor mech.

Reg Shad though, yes if it was noted to be a dedicated training mech would then be a great idea in concept but also one that is able to perform garrison duties rather well or if playing with alt ammo provide dedicated support. Shad does make a lot of sense when players break it down and you'd think they'd write something like what players picked up on into Battletech lore but then Battletech writers are retarded.
Anonymous No.64120304 >>64121009
>>64120136
a fishing boat weighs a thousand tons
this thing was a cargo ship

Gipsy Danger was about the length of a Nimitz-class carrier. it had to have weigh at least tens of thousands of tons, if not 6 digits
Anonymous No.64120322
>>64120190
>Shad
right I misremembered the number of heat sinks, I thought it had two medium lasers and 10 heat sinks
ah well
another life
>Battletech writers are retarded
quite
Anonymous No.64120579
>>64114410
>Is the Imperium made up of smaller factions of unique groups or some shit.
The Treaty of Olympus Mons legally requires me to answer 'no'.
Anonymous No.64120607
>>64115007
My critique:
>10/10
>No notes
Anonymous No.64120625 >>64120804 >>64121157
>>64119355
Given how OP the guided 76mm is, I feel like the addition of traditional artillery emplacements would really dominate, since you just get the same weapon system without needing a gigantic airborne RCS attracting every Fox 3 within 80km.
Anonymous No.64120658 >>64120671 >>64120845 >>64121157
>>64115471
What kind of mongoloid couldn’t hit a building-sized robot from a few hundred feet away?
Anonymous No.64120671
>>64120658
Chinese
Anonymous No.64120804 >>64120956 >>64121157
>>64115471
this series was way more fun when it was about wunderwaffles that didn't work

>>64120625
>Given how OP the guided 76mm is
>gigantic airborne RCS attracting every Fox 3 within 80km
who cares, load a clip of AHEAD rounds and watch those fighter jocks seethe and cope
Anonymous No.64120832
>>64118775
You missed out. Sci-Fi used to have these shows in and I think that MeTV airs them now.
Anonymous No.64120845
>>64120658
Someone whose soul is weighed down by gravity.
Anonymous No.64120871 >>64120887
Tanki Online, Viking M1 hull and Thunder M0 turret.
Thunder has a 200 mm cannon, Viking is 5 m long and 4 m wide and the entire tank is 3 m tall.
Anonymous No.64120887
>>64120871
*100 mm cannon
Anonymous No.64120956
>>64120804
I've never hit a fighter with it, but you can absolutely splatter COIN and helicopters with it. Always fun to take the tail off a Chicane.
Anonymous No.64121002
>>64118775
psychologically, hobby modelling fulfils the need to acquire and possess, to create and build, triggers tactile enjoyment as well as visual - even if you make do with just seeing the item, to this day it's not easy to get 3d models of all the stuff there are actual plastic models of
Anonymous No.64121003 >>64121201
Genuinely perfection
Anonymous No.64121009 >>64121186
>>64120304
first, the Gipsy is only 80m long, not 300m. It's more like a small frigate, and hey, those can easily go as low as 2000 tons. I bet whoever came up with the number just looked for a similar size boat.
From its size and guardrail, it carried a sort of self-propelled barge at most
Anonymous No.64121157
>>64120625
>I feel like the addition of traditional artillery emplacements would really dominate
I would be disappointed if they didn't add them, the problem is that currently ground force just follow the roads, even if you added the artillery position manually, that would just mean shooting down the artillery so your ground force aren't wasted.
Plus between Himars 300km range or CAESAR hitting ~60km away you'd cover the entire map.
If I had to imagine the future of warfare, artillery would rule, airspace would be forbidden, everyone would move with anti-drone AI turrets and the trick would be to overload the turrets to the artillery.

>>64120658
If you must know, the setting's fusion-reactor emit magic particle that fuck up unshielded electronics, radars and even blur visual light.
It's not perfect I know, in that scene the tank is trying to keep the giant robot with better sensors from locking it.

Now if the Hildorf was mass-produced...

>>64120804
>this series was way more fun when it was about wunderwaffles that didn't work
I disagree, you can only go so far with the silly wunderwaffe, I would gladly see the already silly unit depicted in battle, like the infamous Magella attack flying turret, or the Gopp fighter, or those flying fortresses.
Anonymous No.64121182 >>64121238 >>64121675 >>64122150
How the fuck is this thing even supposed to fly?
Anonymous No.64121186 >>64121398
>>64121009
>self-propelled barge
the one in your photo is a fishing boat, it was literally stated in the movie
the photo I posted is of Gipsy picking up a cargo ship to bat a kaiju with in the first battle
>Gipsy is only 80m long, not 300m
my mistake, I read "metres" for "feet"
still, it is man-shaped. if you scale up a human accordingly, it is at least 7,000 tons, likely more like 2x or 3x that because it would be composed of steel and machinery rather than mostly water
Anonymous No.64121201
>>64121003
Legit NASA borrowed design specs for this.
Anonymous No.64121235
>>64115422
Because their artists are just vaguely aping the shapes of stuff and don't put any effort into trying to understand WHY stuff looks like that. You can see this in all of Starfield's guns as well. Anything that isn't a clone of an IRL gun is just a mishmash of greebles the artist thought would look neat and that's as deep as it goes.
Anonymous No.64121238 >>64122229
>>64121182
With dragonfly wings? They're right there in your pic.
Anonymous No.64121393 >>64121622
>>64114655
AI hallucinating is a pretty decent explanation for it making shit tanks. 40K was ahead of its time.
Anonymous No.64121398 >>64121437
>>64121186
>the one in your photo is a fishing boat, it was literally stated in the movie
Sorry, I did meant the one they use as a bat. Your "cargo ship" is more of a barge to me, a thin one. It's like 2 car line wide.
>it is at least 7,000 tons
Again, I've googled frigate go as low as 2,000 tons around its size, plus hiding volume underwater.
>machinery rather than mostly water
Uh... anon I think you are tired, boat don't let water in, just saying.
Accounting for the same magical science that let them build giant robot with analog reactor whatever, we can negotiate a 30% reduction and call it a day before we argue about the tactical advantage of forgetting you had an actual sword.
(seriously, I would have spent extra CGI sheckel having the sword air-delivered with rocket at the last minute)
Anonymous No.64121437 >>64121916
>>64121398
>having the sword air-delivered with rocket at the last minute
the only non-stupid-jap-sentai-ranger version of that I've ever seen is Iron Man's Hulkbuster suite in Ultron, which was both cool and made sense

>Your "cargo ship" is more of a barge to me
it's thin but should still mass at least a thousand tons

>frigate go as low as 2,000 tons around its size, plus hiding volume underwater
ships, even warships, are very buoyant with lots of air inside so they are actually surprisingly light for their volume
even a submarine - the most cramped ship - has basically the density of water, for obvious reasons. a surface ship is much much more buoyant for its size.

>machinery rather than mostly water
>boat don't let water in
no, treat a Jaeger as a scaled-up human, made of metal rather than flesh
we are 60% water, a Jaeger isn't. scale up a 2 metre tall human to 80 metres, and s/he would weigh about 7,000 tons. now replace the water with steel and machinery? steel is over 7x the density of water. if you replace 3,500 tons of the water in that 7,000-ton humanoid with steel, you get 28,000 tons

even if you argue that not all the water in a human body is turned into steel machinery in a Jaeger - after all, there must be plastics, gas tanks, chemicals and lubricants, and plenty of air for maintenance crawlspaces - it would still be much heavier than 7,000 tons. if it was 7,000 tons, theoretically a Jaeger can swim, just as humans can...
Anonymous No.64121487 >>64121964
>>64115445
Actually, the magical particles would themselves make a good medium for a radar to pick up since they extrude in neat bubbles around the reactors producing them.
Anonymous No.64121539 >>64123383
>>64114410
>Is the Imperium made up of smaller factions of unique groups or some shit.
Yes. There are many different factions within the imperium that often have their own, sometimes directly conflicting, goals. A few of them off the top of my head.
>Local planetary defense forces
The national guard equivalent, with variations for basically every culture imaginable.
>The Imperial Guard
The space army. The "default" ones are "Cadia flavored", but there are a billion different flavors of soldier. Basically one for every IRL army ever.
>The Imperial Navy
The space navy (transports the space army, but also does their own space fight stuff)
>The Mechanicus
Provides tech support and maintenance for everyone, but also has their own independent army and navy
>The Ecclesiarchy
The space church. Also has their own independent army and navy
>The Administratum
Space bean counters. They do logistics with varying degrees of success. They don't misplace the records for too many star systems.
>The Space Marines
Giga nigga super soldiers. Bunch of different flavors of them. All of them operate independently with their own goals and objectives.
>The Inquisition
Space Glow-niggers. They do what they want and have a shit ton of authority.

All of them are officially united together, but how closely that they'll work together can vary a shit ton. It can run the entire gamut of one chapter of space marines moving heaven and earth to try to save every last man, to them slaughtering an entire friendly planet's population to prevent the risk of information spillage.
Anonymous No.64121622 >>64121909
>>64121393
>the Imperium is fielding AI sloppa generated gear
It truly is a grimdark future
Anonymous No.64121675
>>64121182
lmao a totoro face
Anonymous No.64121696
Any love for these sick designs?
No real critique since they're already perfect.
Anonymous No.64121714
How heavy do ypu think the helical magazine is?
Anonymous No.64121739
>>64114529
Pic isn't as heretical as you think, contrary to popular assumption SoBs aren't celibate or even banned from relationships like Jedi and there are canon examples of them getting involved with men (and I believe in a few cases even having kids), it's just rare with the militant sisters since they're too busy and rarely stay in one place long. The Imperium also doesn't seem to care about faggotry so in theory Sisters dyking out probably isn't an issue unless it affects their duties.
Anonymous No.64121867
>>64114119 (OP)
People did twintracks in the cold war and found no advantages
Anonymous No.64121882
>>64114650
Metal Gear's one of those universes who fully know how ridiculous everything is but does it anyway. https://youtu.be/UemNxB_50kM?si=Rl5-9btopZwOgUr4

It's got Sci fi nanomachine technobabble right next to infinity shaped feed systems for infinite ammo and ghosts possessing swords.
Anonymous No.64121909
>>64121622
In the end the Men of Iron had the last laugh by making them use cringe.
Anonymous No.64121916 >>64122063
>>64121437
Seriously, just google these yourself.
This is a frigate a bit bigger in dimension than a Jeager and it's 2500tons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avante_2200
A barge need nothing inside, I've seen numbers like 300tons empty and carrying 1500tons full for bigger barge.

The submarine S-80 has like a ~3000tons displacement and it is necessarily lighter than 3000tons or it can't surface. If a Jeager floated (and it goes against their job) despite making no effort to keep water out, it would necessarily be lighter.

>no, treat a Jaeger as a scaled-up human, made of metal rather than flesh
You are being ridiculous, if you used that conversion of yours on a whale you wouldn't get a ship that float.
Human are not intelligent-design, we have no basis whatsoever to judge the functionally equivalent mass of the machinery used inside except vague analogy with a warship mass of turbines, turrets & missiles.

The most I can give you is the submarine mass of 3,000tons and the barge is like a 10th of the volume, don't forget that mass decrease non-linearly.
Anonymous No.64121927
>>64117877
>2060s
>AN-94s are used mainstream by spec ops forces
Black Ops 3: the gacha has won...
Anonymous No.64121944
>>64115028
Even the unrusted model clips into itself when turning, the treads mesh in ways that would interfere, and the treads themselves lack proper sprockets to move.
Anonymous No.64121954
>>64114119 (OP)
This is how I fire department.
Anonymous No.64121964
>>64121487
Did you even google Minovsky jamming?
The way these fictional particles are described, they are the beast stealth you could ever hope to have.
In space stealth shouldn't be possible at all even 1000000000km away. With this magic particle? It can.

Of all radar waves you send, if you got anything back, it would come back from a different direction than where the object actually is, attenuated so you can't even tell the distance, this happening as far as the particles spread which given the setting is at minimum in the 10km if not 100, 1000km range.

Imagine having a stealth plane with the RCS of a 1cm ball, and you can't tell where it is exactly within 10km.
The only reason the setting detect anything is because they use InfraRed and futuristic optical radar.
Anonymous No.64122001
>>64114119 (OP)
Anonymous No.64122033
a fucking egg
Anonymous No.64122037 >>64122089 >>64122112 >>64122438 >>64122709
>>64116907
Urbie is one of few BattleTech mech designs that actually makes sense. Like 90% of mechs have some kind of flaw, in case of 70% mechs that isn't a flaw, but something absolutely retarded. That kinda makes sense in universe, because save from relatively small number of heroes basically everyone in BattleTech is a fucking gigantic moron that will eventually ruin whatever they are doing due arrogance and pure stupidity.
>>64117561
>Urbie worshipers forget that it's more of a Matilda II in 1955 than anything actually useful
It does one thing very well. It is cheap urban combat machine. Its slow as fuck, but still mobile thanks to jump jets. Most canonical variants of Urbie pack massive punch for its weight class. It is 30 ton trash can with legs and big gun and usually single small laser as secondary weapon.
>>64119711
Best part of card game version of that 80 ton light scout mech is its resource requirements, it needs politics to exist.
>>64119749
>inefficiently gunned,
It has massive firepower for it is weight class and cost.
Anonymous No.64122063 >>64123380
>>64121916
I've already explained all this but you refuse to understand, so there's nothing more to say
>You are being ridiculous, if you used that conversion of yours on a whale you wouldn't get a ship that float
obviously not, since I wasn't describing a whale made of metal, but since you're unable to understand English, what can I do?
>Human are not intelligent-design, we have no basis whatsoever to judge the functionally equivalent mass of the machinery used inside except
that a Jaeger is literally a HUMANOID MACHINE

good day
Anonymous No.64122067 >>64122709
>>64114608
filename should be "weeb baneblade"
Anonymous No.64122077 >>64122138
>nose mounted 120kw laser
>anti-radiation, cruise missiles, or directional jamming pods on wings
>internal pod also for anti-rads or one cruiser
>optional radome but you lose the low RCS
>also it has harrier thrusters because it needs to work on a carrier
This is a really weird plane but I think it's neat
Anonymous No.64122089 >>64123269
>>64122037
>It has massive firepower
lol
I bid one Large laser, three Medium lasers, and four Heat Sinks
Anonymous No.64122112 >>64122438 >>64123269
>>64122037
>>64116907
You may not like it, but the Savannah Master is what peak performance looks like.
Anonymous No.64122116
>>64115530
They look cool, but they're in a weird uncanny valley between realistic designs and cartoony 40k-style shit
Anonymous No.64122131 >>64122134
>>64114119 (OP)
dtdvm
Anonymous No.64122134 >>64122139
>>64122131
Anonymous No.64122138
>>64122077
Replace the radome by a AESA bar and less stealth is lost.
Anonymous No.64122139 >>64122143
>>64122134
Anonymous No.64122143 >>64122157
>>64122139
Anonymous No.64122149 >>64123911
>>64114807
>>64116062
I think 1D6chan has a decent take on the situation. AdMech does have the ability to truly innovate and experiment, as well as better than modern levels of scientific and engineering knowledge. It's really just fucking with crazy DAOT tech that they have a major problem with. Lasguns, for example, are simple and well-understood tech and that's why practically every notable Guard world has their own pattern, but the batteries they run on are insane space magic that even DAOT humans probably didn't understand (it would've been developed by hyper-advanced AI) and fucking with them is too risky because they've got a ridiculous amount of energy stored in them and could level a city block if they blew up.

Nobody really cares about people messing with normal well-understood tech, making an AK or a new style of wrench or something would be fine and the only real AdMech obstruction would be when it came to getting it put into mass production, but things get more complicated when you get into dealing with things that have a noticeable degree of machine spirit, where even combining two ostensibly simple things (like your stubber on pintle example) could have unexpected repercussions if done improperly. There's also the likelihood that some of it is just to ensure things are done properly as well, like some idiot guardsman might overtorque the bolt on that pintle and snap it off or fail to properly grease the moving parts and cause premature wear etc., the same reasons only licensed A&P mechanics are allowed to work on aircraft IRL even if somebody else might be perfectly mechanically competent to do it.
Anonymous No.64122150 >>64122229
>>64121182
the Miyazaki designs actually fly
https://youtu.be/IxY7KvnlNJw
https://youtu.be/JAobfMSX9dg
Anonymous No.64122157 >>64122162 >>64122202
>>64122143
Anonymous No.64122162 >>64122171 >>64122202
>>64122157
Anonymous No.64122170
>>64115409
Possibly my favorite mecha design of all time. I have the Revoltech one packed away somewhere.
Anonymous No.64122171 >>64122202
>>64122162
Anonymous No.64122175
>>64118671
The closest thing we have to this that is doable IRL is a Mi-26 with the fuselage partially replaced by a 40' SeaCan clamp.
Anonymous No.64122181 >>64123382
>>64119352
>Need a proper webm of all mind control scene
Admit it, you want *that* scene.
Anonymous No.64122195 >>64122201 >>64122669
>>64114119 (OP)
the mog
Anonymous No.64122196
>>64115831
The French will unironically ask Japanese designers for advice. They're fucking weebs. There is a boat on the Seine designed by Leiji Matsumoto.
Anonymous No.64122201 >>64122669
>>64122195
Anonymous No.64122202 >>64122669
>>64122157
>>64122162
>>64122171
The fuck happens to cause the massive change in character design for the second image? 3rd looks like returning to the original game but with more melee. Valkyria Chronicles almost feels like cheating a little since it's heavily influenced on ww2 weapons.
Anonymous No.64122206
>>64114119 (OP)
Anonymous No.64122211 >>64122342 >>64123163
Anonymous No.64122229
>>64121238
>>64122150

I meant the Goliath you silly billies.

Also, there's no way something like the Flaptor would get FAA approval given the complete lack of protection for the pilot.
Anonymous No.64122236
>>64122222
Anonymous No.64122275
Anonymous No.64122311 >>64122457 >>64123409
>>64119352
They like 3D because it's cheaper and faster. Doesn't age as well, though.
>>64119365
Emphasis on the /k/ in pea/k/. I agree that SDF is the most consummate franchise entry (Minmay's repertoire beats everything that came afterwards), but Plus will make me unapologetically sΓΆypog all day at its painstakingly detailed designs for everything from VFs to small arms. Shit like the Walther rollmarks on Yang Neumann's sidearm that we only see for a few seconds.

Forgive me for sperging out, but I fucking love the visual presentation of the 30 years of in-universe technological progress that's happened since the time of the original series. Temperamental, poorly understood technologies that were prototyped on the SDF-1 such as pinpoint barriers and the fold drive have now been mastered and improved to the point where we're starting to minaturize and implement them in individual fighters. Surface-to-orbit flight no longer requires solid rocket boosters, FAST Packs have been streamlined to the point where they don't get in the way of in-atmo fighter mode combat, etc. In the opening scenes we see how the VF-11 is a step above the capabilities of the VF-1 we remember, but as we go to New Edwards and see Project Supernova ramp up, it becomes clear that the prototype stars of the show are a generational leap ahead of everything else that walks, GERWALKs, or flies. If the VF-1 is a Tomcat, the -19 is a F-22 (And the -21 is a YF-23. The fighter competition taking obvious inspiration from the irl Advanced Tactical Fighter fly-offs tickles my 'tism.)
Anonymous No.64122315
Also, what I recommend to people when watching Plus is replacing the last episode of the OVA with the last third or so of the movie version. It extends the runtime by 30 minutes and makes for a much better viewing experience, since you get a less rushed final act with a much bigger animation budget. I strongly prefer the movie version of the final scene, too. But the best thing the film gives us is the gratuitously extended version of Guld's dogfight with the Ghost drone. It's pure kino, a triumph of man against soulless machine. In all my years of consuming weebshit, one of the scenes that's stuck with me the most is the leading edges of the YF-21 literally burning up in the upper atmosphere as a man pushes himself and his aircraft to the absolute limit, then beyond.
Anonymous No.64122335 >>64122343 >>64122350
>>64114119 (OP)
You got to wonder, what the fuck were the Corporate Alliance thinking when they made the Persuader?
Anonymous No.64122342
>>64122211
this looks like Ravage from Bayformers
not that the design was brilliantly original
Anonymous No.64122343
>>64122335
It was called that because it required a lot of persuasion to convince the CIS to buy it
Anonymous No.64122350
>>64122335
the CIS canonically think animal-shaped droids are "menacing" and "awe inspiring"
Anonymous No.64122438 >>64123269
>>64122037
Generally with Battletech the lighter you go the more logical designs you see. Even ones that aren't considered very effective tend to have a justification for existing.
Meanwhile the heavier you go you start getting into the realms of "why not just use tanks or artillery?"
>>64122112
Still think pic related is one of the nastiest mobile gun platforms around. Its basically what if our giant anti-tank gun could fly?
Anonymous No.64122457
>>64122311
I think Zero has aged decently. It has its moments.

https://youtu.be/r2ABqE4T29M?si=PrMdj73yTjiEypEx
Anonymous No.64122531 >>64122545 >>64122549 >>64122551 >>64122563 >>64123949
I love tripods, I wish there were more adaptations that have humans actually capable of taking them down like in the original book. Though it is pretty certain that modern humanity would completely trounce their original depiction, so they'd need some buffs. Just not 'le invincible i win' shields, that's boring.
Anonymous No.64122545 >>64122551 >>64122681
>>64122531
have you ever heard of "the great martian war" mockumentary?
Anonymous No.64122549 >>64122571 >>64122681
>>64122531
Simply have the Martians land the tripods directly onto airbases and have them scythe down air frames and pilots before they even get off the ground, and even the janky 1800s model will be able to stomp.
Anonymous No.64122551 >>64122681 >>64125058
>>64122531
>>64122545
https://youtu.be/bERNcnaT-ko
https://youtu.be/6aj5whlRTYs
Anonymous No.64122563
>>64122531
Just set any adaption in the late 19th/dawn of the 20th century. Have the pre-dreadnoughts be the ones to take them down.
Anonymous No.64122571
>>64122549
im pretty sure they had no real way of being precise where they landed,they didn't use rockets or anything to go from mars to earth,instead relied on fuck huge cannons to shoot themselves towards earth.
https://youtu.be/E7mJR4tIbZw
also great vid on them
Anonymous No.64122574
>DSB-LK
imagine how kino this would have been
Anonymous No.64122606
>>64115523
When you're developing vehicles that have to be effective weapon in a tube with centrifugal gravity it kind of makes sense they have wonky sight lines, and are under gunned compared to earthside weaponry.
Anonymous No.64122669 >>64122670
This behemoth of a tank is kinda cool
>>64122195
>>64122201
GREAT LEADER IS DEAD
>>64122202
2 takes place a generation after and is a bunch of OCS/ROTC kids going to do mock wars or something
Anonymous No.64122670
>>64122669
BANG!
Anonymous No.64122681
>>64122549
I bet even with no airforce modern humanity would still crush the Wells tripods, on multiple occasions in the book concealed field guns were able to get the jump on tripods - now contrast 1890s gun tech to all the optics, mobility and firepower in a modern tank and the playing field becomes very even especially if you keep your tanks dispersed so they can't be rapidly scythed down. Given the relatively low numbers of tripods which probably never exceeded several hundred and that IFVs and man portable AT would work as well I see an invasion of Wells tripods as doomed to fail - highly damaging for sure but unsuccessful.

>>64122545
>>64122551
Super fun documentary but they didn't show enough tripods getting blasted by field guns and tanks.
Anonymous No.64122709 >>64123269
>>64122037
>Urbie is one of few BattleTech mech designs that actually makes sense
It physically can't get back up if it falls over. It's handwaved because all battlemechs can stand back up by the rules, but when it needed to be animated when the game devs were trying that as a mechanic it had to awkwardly flip up by leaning on it's own gun barrel.
People really think armless designs are super hyper gritty realistic right up until it has to do anything at all and you realize it has no balance.
>>64122067
Miyazaki started the blobby superheavy tank trend in anime and he was doing it before warhammer existed.
Anonymous No.64122884
>>64115007
It just werks
Anonymous No.64123163
>>64122211
I'm going to have to fuck that thing.
I don't want to, but I'll have to.
Anonymous No.64123269 >>64123394 >>64123622
>>64122089
10 is pretty magical number in BattleTech. For simple reason that is 1 higher than 9, that happens to be maximum armor points of head. Even the basic 3025 AC10 variant of Urbie can one shot kill anything. AC20 variants do that even better.

Your pile of lasers on any light mech is going to make it more expensive than Urbanmech, regardless are we talking about battlevalue or space AT&T bucks.
>>64122112
Peak scout.
>>64122438
>Generally with Battletech the lighter you go the more logical designs you see. Even ones that aren't considered very effective tend to have a justification for existing.
Heavier the mech becomes, more likely its going to become jack of all trades and carry useless junk that could be better used on extra heatsinks, armor or ammunition for main weaponry. Wasting tonnage on pointless shit is much harder if you don't have much of tonnage to waste. Light scout units and such make sense, then you have Charger at 80tons.
>Meanwhile the heavier you go you start getting into the realms of "why not just use tanks or artillery?"
Ironically in a mech game, built entirely around idea of giant robots with lasers, missiles and shieet going hulk smash, tanks and other vehicles are almost always more cost effective alternative. Makes you really think. As much despise space chinks and their treacherous nature, Capellan Confederation heavy fire support lance consisting of Raven scout mech and three Catapults rare case of a tactical unit making tactical sense in BattleTech universe. For those unfamiliar with setting Raven is light mech that often comes with all kinds of electronic warfare stuff, catapult is long range missile platform with usually useful secondary armament for close range self defense.
>>64122709
I was thinking it entirely from game and lore point of view. Urbanmech is rare case of a mech that has clear specialized role and it is good at that role without wasting tonnage, battlevalue or cultish phone company bucks for useless shit.
Anonymous No.64123380
>>64122063
You are just being childish because you can't stand being wrong.
Just like you've grossly misread the size of the Jeager and fought over a damn barge mass.
>what can I do?
Read back your own arguments, act as if you were someone else trying to find a flaw in the reasoning.
>Jaeger is literally a HUMANOID MACHINE
Meaning, you should compare its mass with existing machine. Not make up a conversion to get the result you want.

have a good day too
Anonymous No.64123382
>>64122181
I... I don't know what you are talking about!
*fidget*
Anonymous No.64123383
>>64121539
>Adeptus Custodes
>Knight Households
>Officio Assassinorum
>Adeptus Arbites
>Astra Telepathica
>Rogue Traders
Anonymous No.64123394 >>64123652 >>64123924 >>64123955
>>64123269
battlemech's greatest asset is due to the limits on transportation. They paradoxically have a smaller logistical footprint then vehicles at least when it comes to transports. Dropships are designed tall generally speaking and your bays can only fit one thing in them at a time. You can ether lock one tank in it, and find space for their crew on the ship, or one mech and mechwarrior. Your tank, APC, or Long Tom can be as flat as a pancake but you can't stack them in the bay so thats one of your limited slots filled. The vehicle can fight pretty well in a designated role, but the mech is generally more multi purpose in combat roles and non combat roles like stealing anything not nailed down and then bringing the mechs out to rip out the nails.
Anonymous No.64123409
>>64122311
3D animation isn't actually cheaper. Especially if you can't/don't/shouldn't reuse models.
It make it painfully hard to obtain many things you'd obtain with a drawing that modern tools allow to do very fast (not talking about AI).
Poor 3D age far worse than 2D cells animation.
3D however, is still the future, the only way to reach the highest level of verisimilitude and allow to reuse some materials.
Anonymous No.64123622 >>64123654
>>64123269
>10 is pretty magical number in BattleTech
12
>battlevalue or
pfft
BV
>space AT&T bucks
can be more efficiently spent. the AC10 Urbanmech is what you buy when you can't get your hands on enough better lasers.
Anonymous No.64123652 >>64123872 >>64123955
>>64123394
>battlemech's greatest asset is due to the limits on transportation. They paradoxically have a smaller logistical footprint then vehicles at least when it comes to transports. Dropships are designed tall generally speaking and your bays can only fit one thing in them at a time. You can ether lock one tank in it, and find space for their crew on the ship, or one mech and mechwarrior. Your tank, APC, or Long Tom can be as flat as a pancake but you can't stack them in the bay so thats one of your limited slots filled.
Transport bottleneck in BattleTech isn't dropships. Dropships, save for few big shiny LosTech examples from StarLeague era, never went out of production. Just like mechs, those remained at least in low rate of production in lots of places. Those dropships might be bit of monkey models, but that is another story. The bottlenecks in regards to military operations and logistics is/was JumpShips.

The fact that tank or other vehicle might need a crew to operate is borderline irrelevant. Since combined arms operations involving infantry have always been a thing in BattleTech. Also mech requires quite a few mechanics keep 'em going, especially if those are old as fuck relics.
>The vehicle can fight pretty well in a designated role, but the mech is generally more multi purpose in combat roles and non combat roles like stealing anything not nailed down and then bringing the mechs out to rip out the nails.
That kinda leads to where mechs might be useful. Those would be useful only as very specialized forces for very specific roles and places where conventional vehicles would be useless due to things like lack of atmosphere kinda crippling hovercraft or helicopters. Things like securing landing zones for army at large, raiding operations in company scale where superior mobility can be exploited and things like urban assaults. Basically none of that favors any kind of jack of all trades kind of mech designs.
Anonymous No.64123654 >>64123677
>>64123622
>can be more efficiently spent. the AC10 Urbanmech is what you buy when you can't get your hands on enough better lasers.
No. Urbanmech is what you get when you fight in urban environment, especially on defense.
Anonymous No.64123677 >>64123708
>>64123654
AND can't get your hands on enough lasers
Anonymous No.64123708 >>64123723
>>64123677
General Townes is that you?
Anonymous No.64123723
>>64123708
more like Khan West
Anonymous No.64123872
>>64123652
>Basically none of that favors any kind of jack of all trades kind of mech designs
They get pooped on for being bad at direct mech combat which is most peoples casual games, but carrying a lighter autocannon and some small capacity missiles makes way more sense when you add alternative ammo. It's kind of crazy it's not in the stock rules. Flak autocannons clear the sky, inferno missiles clear cover and infantry. Suddenly a mech starts to look like it has a solution for everything.
A well equipped lance can handle almost any force combination, at small detriment to their ability to fight other mechs only equipped to fight mechs. They can't handle infinity numbers but it's pretty good for four~ guys.
Anonymous No.64123911
>>64122149
lmao, you've swallowed the kool-aid, 1D6chan is one of the leading culprits of presenting fanon as canon. Lasgun batteries blowing up city blocks? Machine spirits actually existing in simple mechanical objects? Come on now. Everything you just described in that post is fanon.
Anonymous No.64123924
>>64123394
I don't know what I find more incredible, the fact that you think dropships being tall isn't a feature designed specifically for carrying mechs, or that you can't conceive of adding floors.
Anonymous No.64123949
>>64122531
THUNDER CHIIIILD
Anonymous No.64123955
>>64123394
>battlemech's greatest asset is due to the limits on transportation
fan theory derived from TRO specs which does not translate to in-universe economy

>>64123652
>combined arms operations involving infantry have always been a thing in BattleTech
this

despite the breathtaking building system which purports to be able to build anything from a gun to an interstellar WarShip, and the universe being populated by these hardware, the building system doesn't translate fully to the Battletech universe and history
despite its game stats therefore, the main advantage of a Mech is that it can mow down hundreds of infantry and cripple dozens of tanks, and THAT'S their main advantage
Anonymous No.64124387
>>64114681
In the HS universe, they have lightly-armored vehicles nicknamed "caliopes" thay have 7 barreled rotary 30mm powerguns on them specifically for air defense. The Slammers don't use them because all their vehicles have tribarrel powerguns on them that can be slaved to the computer network to be used as air defense.

Incidentally, David Drake was in the Vietnam War. The Slammers' "panzers" and combat cars are modeled after M60 tanks and M113s with the front and two side machinegun cupolas.
Anonymous No.64125058
>>64122551
kino