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>>96195966

I don't like this edition.

>>96238049
Too bad now bend over.

>>96238049
sorry Astofo is now your lord and savior and now you must worship cute guys asses. I don't make the rules, that's just the rule of this thread now.

Wow, losing pdfs really killed this place.

Since tonight/tomorrow is the 10 anniversary of FGO JP. What did your jumper do in FGO. Who did they do in FGO?

>>96238883
Ate Goetia

>>96238883
I became indian tech support for the main cast. Then I set up a cross temporal DDOS ritual that went off when they went to the Temple of Time.

>>96238883
Honestly Jumper wasn't terribly relevant. If only because the last one I sent there got outscoped really god danm quickly by the plot as a back up master without bullshit.

He kinda just stuck with chaldea. Narrowly avoiding fates worse then death and giving gameplay tips.

>>96238892
Huh, he must have tasted terrible. I hope at least your jumper did it for power,

>>96238899
That seems mean and counter productive. I am assuming Ritsuka was there when you did it.

>>96238907
ah sounds like early chain, if your jumper was a master who was their servant?

>>96238937
Decided I ultimately didn't want one OOC. In character it was wanked as basically chaldea channeling all resources to Ritsuka. summoning being allowed wise. Would be weird to have two of the same servant there anyway.

Probably should of just done a different origin but master seemed the most drop inesque.

>>96238937
>mean and counter productive
No I was very helpful I just didn't go into the field. I stayed back with Roman and Da Vinci. Its just that I spent my time building up a ritual attack for Goetia that went off when they finally got to the temple. It got temporally smeared by the anchor effects that I had been setting up in the singularities as we went along. Very anticlimactic because it got retroactively deleted when the ritual went off rather than a big dramatic showdown.

>>96238883
>What
>Who

>>96238883
I must still fluff the details, but was the male ritsuka (I had the timeline modifier that makes there be two), after a lot, and remembering my full power, I used Rhongominiad as medium to create a
divided spirit without many of my flaws and much less power, while I went devouring the lostbelts that lost their king within my inner world while planning to devour the world and become the last opponent.

>>96239061
Mega Orbeetle going kinda crazy huh

>>96238745
Damn Hiro.

>>96239107
YES.

>>96239380
Kill yourself, furnigger.

>>96239403
NTA but kill me yourself faggot.

>>96239403
That you think that's a meaningful insult, on /jc/ of all places, shows just how dead this place really is.

>>96239411
>>96239412
Nah, rope yourself now.

>96239417
Pussy's to afraid to get his hands dirty.

>>96239403
This EXACT sentiment BUT directed at Gohan instead, I am AMBIVALENT about King Furry.

>>96238745
There were a few threads where we got a spike of activity, but last thread was pretty dead.
It's also summer, though. Bunker is slower too.

>>96239439
>Making Gohan stronger
Yes, that's the way.

>150 free daily singles on story gacha
>2 Destiny Orders
>This, and Mata Hari's breast enhancement, are the only notable things for 10th Anni
ARE YOU JOKING, LASENGLE
YOU GREEDY, LOW-EFFORT, PLOT-STALLING FUCKS

Christ, jumping ship to BA was the right call.

>>96239470
There is still time for Brolga servant, r-right?

>>96238745
1) yes
2) It's also summer too. even the Bunker is kinda slow

>>96239476
Bro they haven't said SHIT even after (you) collected all the Elemental Olga essences or whatever, this anni has said ZILCH about Jobga so they're probably just going to shove her in our accounts with zero fanfare. Either that or leave her for after the conclusion of part 2 "for story reasons" so you can use her to farm some fucking hands or random main quests before EoS.

Oh and apparently part 2 officially ends on December the 20th this year so that's a nice pre-Christmas present. Finally free of this fucking bullshit so I can finally write an actual conclusion to the Fate arc

Do we have any jumps with a power similar to Eidolon's? One that gives you access to an array of impressive powers of which you can access only a few at a time.
Besides the discount Eidolon power in the Worm jump.

>>96239495
>He thinks that Fate will end
Also, this year should also be the final volume of Fate/Strange Fake.

>>96239507
Everything ends. Someday, even I will know the peace of the grave. Free 1000 SQ aka one (1) pity for clearing OC4, that's a death flag for the game for sure

>>96239476
Oh nevermind. You got your wish

>Unbeast class
Nasu stop putting sub-fanfiction concepts in your own fucking narrative, please and thanks.

>>96239497
Does the Omnitrix from Ben 10 count? Or the Hero Dial from Generic DC?

>>96239536
>You know what fuck you "unbeasts your president"

>>96239536
Soon it will be real!

>>96239547
This is what it must have felt like being stupid_dog and having to stare at your own Supernatural jump while God's older, stronger sister was being introduced.

>>96239554
I don't want it to be real, I want to be able to explain the True Magics in Mahoyo coherently without people bombarding me with questions about whether they can use them to make Olga eggs or some shit.

>>96239565
How many true magics do I need to turn a fox into an egg?

Oh RIGHT and while normally you can't make a Beast a Grand Servant, collecting the E-Olga fragments apparently lets you make a Beast Servant count as "not a Beast" so you can toss it into the GRAND EXTRA CLASS BATTLE

SO I GUESS EVEN NASU IS ACKNOWLEDGING ORDEAL CALL WAS A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME AND IS LETTING YOU SCAM ALAYA INTO ANOINTED THE MOTHERFUCKING WHORE OF BABYLON AS YOUR NOBLE DEFENDER OF HUMANITY. OR OLGA. OR WIFE-MODE ERESHKIGAL.

PFHAHAHAHAA

>>96239593
la la la can't hear you

>>96239536
I knew we were getting the Prime Minister this year.

>>96239599
How many prana transfer rituals do I need to do with my Servants to make them pr(egg)ers?

>>96239610
Depends on the Servant, Tiamat will get preg-preg on basically skin contact while I think Gramps is conceptually immune to even mpreg-type Noble Phantasms because he's literally cloaked in death.

>>96239610
>>96239623
I think it has something to do with fertility and mother goddesses too because Erice only exist because her dad fucked Izanami. so that means you could in theory knock up Ishtar and Tiamat

>>96239623
How many foxes do I have to turn into eggs to become the president?

>>96238883
I set up Mash with Ritsuka and then waifued all the other lonely female servants.

>>96239380
Tera-Dark Expert Belt Sucker Punch.

I WAS Guda and waifued all the female Servants (and some of the male ones).

>>96239680
Anon, this isn't 8 chan. You don't have to job to not being able to properly reply to posts.

>>96239681
I can reply to posts just fine on 8 chan. I just wanted to leave my post unconnected to any particular post.

>>96239599
>LETTING YOU SCAM ALAYA INTO ANOINTED THE MOTHERFUCKING WHORE OF BABYLON AS YOUR NOBLE DEFENDER OF HUMANITY
AND ALAYA FUCKING DESERVES IT AFTER ALL THIS BULLSHIT. FUCK YOU, COUNTERFORCE AND FUCK YOU, HUMAN ORDER!

Olga's profile frustratingly talks around the bulk of her lore. However, in broad terms it does spell out the intent of Marisbilly's plan. I am now leaving my computer to run away into the woods, screaming out my frustrations.

>The extinction of humanity, carried out in the microcosmic Earth environment model, Chaldeas.
>The power of the “Alien God” to reproduce this on the actual Earth, albeit to a limited extent.
>It proves that the extinction of humanity is possible, but at the same time, it refutes this as mere fantasy with the “Humanity Preservation Formula.”
>It reproduces all disasters that occur on Earth and approves all civilizations that have developed on Earth.
>It replicates all disasters occurring on Earth
and acknowledges all civilizations developed on Earth.
>The principle is the same as the Humanity Incineration Cannon of the First Beast, Goetia, but its underlying purpose is not annihilation but protection.

>>96239495
>apparently part 2 officially ends on December the 20th this year
Big if true.

>>96239909
>Part 2 completes
>Immediately EOSs
Can a man dream?

>>96239956
Even if Nasu decides to not continue FGO's story further I'm sure the game will continue existing for a while purely because of how much of a cash cow it is.

On the other hand, Nasu has already stated he likes the feeling of tuning in for limited content like watching anime on tv and that's why most side events aren't playable after they end, so it would be super funny if he just immediately cut off FGO when the story ended. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have the executive power to do so though.

>>96239974
Well he did say something similar at the end of part 1 and we still ended up with part 2. Although he might just make another epic of remnant first while he makes new plans for a part 3 or FGO 2.

>>96240046
If the game really does continue I may eventually end up making a second Addon for the FGO jump honestly.

>>96239732
It... sort of sounds like the Alien God is the good guy here then

>>96240100
>pull off bizarre shit
>engineer it so he seems like the good guy when everything comes to light
Marisbury Animusphere outplaying everyone yet again.

>>96240100
I don't understand how this works so I can't say. Is he, like, simulating humanity's extinction and then refuting it so humanity can become extinction proof or something?

>>96239732
It can't just be this. How would this turn the rest of the universe against us like Daybit said?

>>96240325
He also isolated the planet from the rest of the cosmos and pretty much turned Earth into cosmic North Korea.

>>96240325
Well I mean, it's basically history autocannibalism so maybe the aliens are more disgusted than anything; even ORT at least hunts it's own food.

>>96239732
So basically he is defying Gaia/Alaya Bullshit to protect humanity and fuck over all non human life for humanity without that archtype nonsense infection. Based Marisbilly fuck timelock Archtype retardation.

What's the most tonal whiplash you ever experienced in your jumps?
I went from Game of Thrones to A Very Goofy Movie for social perks once. That shit was wild.

>>96240500
>checks my old and wildly out of date list of jumps in my chain for what was nominally before Supernatural before shit got shuffled around a little
>Final Fantasy Type-0
You know what? Despite everything I just said about Type-Moon as a whole, that. Nothing could possibly prepare me for an even more convoluted malevolent deity-and-recursive-cycle-related cosmological crisis than a fucking Final Fantasy plotline, set in the assend of America.

>>96240500
>A Very Goofy Movie
Do we have a jump for that?

>>96240655
It's either a Very Goofy Movie or Goof Troop, but yes. Either we or the reddit group has a jump for it. (I did the jump because I was doing a randomized jumpchain where I rolled a d100 and did whatever jump was on that line of the Jumps spreadsheet.

>>96240593
>Final Fantasy Type-0
What happened there?

Feeling existential today. The Kind where I wish to look up at the stars and wonder whats out there that we just can't see.

>>96240987
War

>>96240987
Alien smut.

Best corruption perks?

>>96241566
Based on your image, I think what you're probably looking for is this:
Time Braid - Dark Psychologies
Batman TAS - One Bad Day
But I like stuff like these too:
Generic NTR Jump v3.0 - Iä, Iä, Jumper Fhtagn
Generic Erotic Horror - Twisting Corruption

>>96241566
Winx Club had a good one in the Villain origin, I think.

>>96242213
That's a SB jump though.

>>96242584
It's only a SB jump because an anon was sperging out hard about a single specific perk when it was made here, and the author decided to upload it there instead

Lets say I have a perk that makes my personal identity be soul-based instead of body based and a soul-based regeneration that can regrow lost limbs

Would it be fair to rule that getting my head destroyed wouldn't count as Death, since I'll come back from it exactly as I was before?

>>96242841
That's easily fair since we have regen perks that keep you alive from a drop of blood

>>96242851
Bitching, thanks.

I'll probably need to find a perk that ensures I don't need food first, now that I think about it. My soul-based regeneration takes months to regrow lost limbs

"So you exchange gifts to... celebrate your God's birth?"
A certain twili asks watching venti dart about.
"Essentially!" Venti nods carefully hanging yet another small red orb on the pine tree he and Ritsuka had dragged into his room. "Well... I suppose thats a bit of a oversimplification actually."
He admits looking over to the blue skinned woman. Picking up another glass bauble to hang on the tree. "Technically they were Gods son but also God at the same time. It's a whole theological thing.
"Technically they have three aspects I think with each-"
He's cut off by a one of the rooms other residents. Rituska shaking a wrapped box. Asking a question. "Oh like the Goddesses?"
"Uh... sort of but not really there well I admit I'm not really keen on the finer details." he confesses "Was never that devout back home. But there supposed to be but also not be each other at the same time. The holy trinity I think it was called."
"Sounds esoteric. So where's the tree come in?" The Monkey woman wonders setting down the gift among others.
"Oh the trees not any big religious significance as far as I know. It's just a tradition that popped up sometime in the last two thousand years. Not sure when exactly."

"Couldn't you just ask someone who was around back then?" Ritsuka asks grabbing one of the ornaments venti had made in preparation for the tree.
"Well that would be nice. But no, not really." Venti mutters shaking his head.
"My world didn't have any cultivation or magic or anything like that. At least in the time I lived. Purely mortal lifespans across the board rich or poor. Everyone who was, around then died ages ago."
He sighs before grinning brightly. Trying to look on the bright side.
"But hey. Silver lining for ending up in another world is the chance to dodge that now! So thats nice. The company's a nice bonus to." He jokes ducking as a red ornament soars overhead at him from Ritsuka.

1/2

>>96242922
"Question." The midna asks looking up from the book in her lap, at the pair decorating the tree.
"If everyone who was around back then is dead and there truly is nothing able to be proven as mystical. How have your people kept the religion at all? Seems like there'd be nothing to keep people believing."
"Well... that's a good question honestly."
Venti admits stepping back to look over the tree. It was slowly coming together. He couldn't come up with a way to replicate the lights. Perhaps next year, or the one after that... for now ornaments would have to do.
"But...mostly its pure faith. Folks are raised into it or convert for their own reasons. Though in recent times the relevance of the church has kind of... declined in peoples day to day life."
Venti pauses looking up at the top of the tree. Wondering what he should perch there.
"Danm. No offense but your world sounds... unpleasant in a lot of ways. The more I hear about it." Midna comments. Flipping a page.
"None taken." The otherworlder shakes his head. Deciding to go with a star for the top. He'd have to make that before the month was up.

2/2

>>96242922
>>96242938

"So!" The body cultivator cuts in looking at Venti expectedly. A excited look in her eye.
"What else do you do for the holiday? When do we trade gifts?"

"Hmm well... I want to preferably wait a bit longer into the month. The Calendars a bit different here but early or mid winter would be best. It's nice to have the tree up for a month or so as decoration if thats cool with you roomie, And I'd like to have a nice dinner on whatever day we celebrate on after all our respective lessons and training. I'll cook" Venti promises.
"Turkey maybe if I can find it. Or if not generally some good food. There's not really anything strict there."
"Whats a turkey?" Midna probes.
"Flightless bird, think a cuccoo but a bit bigger and brown with less blood thirst." Venti explains.
"Your worlds weird, strange names and strange faiths." She mutters shaking her head. He only laughs.
"Hah... I know... I know."

3/2 (I miscalculated just how many words these would be. Done for now though.)

Those of you who have state-sponsored mass rape programs in your Jumper's Empire, what determines whether or not someone gets raped?

>>96243411
I go outside in the disguise of an old homeless person. Whoever doesn't give me money when I ask for it is scheduled to be raped that week.

>>96243411
It's actually done on a volunteer basis. There's some pretty good government propaganda that makes young girls think being a "potty girl" is a wonderful thing, so there's a surprisingly large amount of volunteers

>>96242922
>"Essentially!" Venti nods carefully hanging yet another small red orb on the pine tree he and Ritsuka had dragged into his room.
I now have the mental image of arranging the ornaments on a Christmas tree such that they form an array.

>>96242938
>"If everyone who was around back then is dead and there truly is nothing able to be proven as mystical. How have your people kept the religion at all? Seems like there'd be nothing to keep people believing."
Interesting thought there. The people of Hyrule don’t need to have faith, if you see what I mean.

>>96242958
>"Your worlds weird, strange names and strange faiths."
>Venti: When I first got here, I thought the same thing.

>>96243461
well it's clearly not rape then innit
manufactured consent or state-sponsored prostitutiton, but rape it clearly is not

>>96243503
It definitely probably counts, since the girls have no choice in how their customers can use them.

>>96243496
>I now have the mental image of arranging the ornaments on a Christmas tree such that they form an array.
Thats a fun idea. I'm not sure what the array would do but it could mesh with the idea of over the years the ornaments start to take a bit more of a hylian and twilight bent as a sort of visual metaphor of venti essentially adopting/Being adopted into Hylian culture. Maybe get a little winged Hylia to put on the top like a angel.


>Interesting thought there. The people of Hyrule don’t need to have faith, if you see what I mean.
Exactly. This Hyrule doesn't need faith, they have visible tangible evidence walking among them. In cultivators and even the rare godly appearance in the Golden goddesses or hylia or some other true or lesser deities. Faith is sort of unnecessary in the way it is back on earth. Hard for some for locals to comprehend a bit.


>>Venti: When I first got here, I thought the same thing.
Venti: Strange but not bad.

>>96243511
Sounds based as long as you ban hyper-degenerate shit like scat and guro.

>>96243555
>Thats a fun idea. I'm not sure what the array would do
Preserving the tree would be a good starting point. Maybe summoning ethereal snowflakes as well.

>the idea of over the years the ornaments start to take a bit more of a hylian and twilight bent
Triforce and Hylian crest ornaments.

>a sort of visual metaphor of venti essentially adopting/Being adopted into Hylian culture.
That reminds me, this is about the time you get adopted.
>>96201587

>>96243585
>sponsoring a mass rape program
>but not THIS kind of rape, though. this one's icky
cringe and cowardly

>>96243587
>Preserving the tree would be a good starting point. Maybe summoning ethereal snowflakes as well.
Not a bad idea. Basic enough that they could probably pull it off while still being really nice aesthetically.


>That reminds me, this is about the time you get adopted.
Probably yeah. For some companions like Midna. It's a slow process. For some its quick like Alicia. For Ritsuka she practically breaks down the door and companions you. Probably comes up sometime now even if its not a conversation in scene.


Side thought but I might have him stay in this world a good long time. Till late sixth stage and then he moves on with occasionally coming back to the world in between jumps for lengths of time to look after his lands or for some task. Have Hylia join up round that time to. Mentor for basically the end of the sixth stage/Immortal realm.
Have a breakthrough into the seventh after managing something really monumental in a world that was in the gutter before they got there. Like 40K or something.

>>96237000
>152 - D.Y.N. Freaks
>Drawbacks
>Location & Time
School
>Background choices
23 years old
Magician (1100)
>Purchases
Mad Scholar (Free)
God Hunter (900)
Baby’s First Grimoire (Free)
Necronomicon (600)
Infinite Colour (0)
>Ending Option
Continue On

>>96243640
>Side thought but I might have him stay in this world a good long time. Till late sixth stage
I could see that taking 100,000 years. Enough time for even Ritsuka to become a wise, all knowing elder.

>he moves on with occasionally coming back to the world in between jumps for lengths of time to look after his lands or for some task.
At that level, you could say you’re sending a body to other worlds and keeping one in your lands.

>Have a breakthrough into the seventh after managing something really monumental in a world that was in the gutter before they got there.
I could see Venti’s domains as a god as Wind, Journeys, and Freedom.

>>96242958
You will never be a femboy.

>>96243720
>I could see that taking 100,000 years. Enough time for even Ritsuka to become a wise, all knowing elder.
Most likely yeah. It's a full (successful) cultivator life there. Full life with a home, countless adventures and a lot of descendants and potential students of his own. Hell ritsukas probably well into eight stage by then.

>At that level, you could say you’re sending a body to other worlds and keeping one in your lands.
Most likely. I imagine the main one would venture out to other worlds while a back up stays back home but being able to be switched easily.


>I could see Venti’s domains as a god as Wind, Journeys, and Freedom.
Yeah I do really like those themes with these sorts of Jumpers. I think a big part of what he could have is hope though. Have it be a part of his own rise to sainthood back in his "Youth" and part of how he contributed to prying that region of lands from a rival clan. Inspiring hope I mean. That belief that tomorrow can be better. It's a lesson he's still learning himself so far but it'd be a nice full circle thing for him to spread that gift further eventually.

>>96243779
>Hell ritsukas probably well into eight stage by then.
How deferential you have to be when praying to her depends on how mischievous she’s feeling.

>Yeah I do really like those themes with these sorts of Jumpers. I think a big part of what he could have is hope though. Have it be a part of his own rise to sainthood back in his "Youth" and part of how he contributed to prying that region of lands from a rival clan. Inspiring hope I mean. That belief that tomorrow can be better. It's a lesson he's still learning himself so far but it'd be a nice full circle thing for him to spread that gift further eventually.
Sounds good.

>>96243826
>How deferential you have to be when praying to her depends on how mischievous she’s feeling.
Of course gotta keep your followers on there toes after all. Don't even start on the Magical girl goddess at that point I'm imagining late timeline sailor moonesque stuff there.
So now I am thinking about a bunch of things to fill the immortal realm span of their lives a bit. Maybe space exploration. A group of thats based out of some observatory in space. They only take immortals for obvious reasons for not dying in space. Maybe have it be run by a Rosalina expy.


>Sounds good.
Splendid I shall put hope among the domains then.

>>96243724
Everyone can be a femboy if they are young enough.

Probably too late if you are on your 40s unless you were a vampire early on, though.

>>96243891
>Of course gotta keep your followers on there toes after all.
I was referring to Venti specifically. Some teasing from your big sister will still happen, after all.

>Don't even start on the Magical girl goddess at that point I'm imagining late timeline sailor moonesque stuff there.
Just imagine what the reality she forms will be like.

>So now I am thinking about a bunch of things to fill the immortal realm span of their lives a bit.
Hone your skill at music, until you can bring a person to enlightenment with a tune.

>>96243965
>I was referring to Venti specifically. Some teasing from your big sister will still happen, after all.
Oh my bad. Yeah that'd be a funny image. Venti would need to get used to the idea of praying to one of his best friends/sister.
Venti: This is just a way for her to get more sweets. I swear to...
Ritsuka: Toooooo?
>Bats eyelashes.

>Just imagine what the reality she forms will be like.
I'm imagining something like a high energetic slice of life anime combined with a immense amount of magical girls/boys as a natural occurring phenomenon. Perhaps a bit like DnD tome of Radiance. Though thats probably just the more mild stuff that'd go on there.


>Hone your skill at music, until you can bring a person to enlightenment with a tune.
Well that'd be one hell of a trick to pull as a concert.
I was thinking eventually venti will of tried almost literally everything after a certain point. All the jobs, visited every place he'd ever heard of. Get forms for every species in hyrule and beyond.

>>96244035
>Yeah that'd be a funny image.
>Ritsuka: Remember, as a Saint it is your sworn duty to carry out the will of the gods. Now give me the cookies.

>Venti would need to get used to the idea of praying to one of his best friends/sister.
>Hylia: Trust me, this is twice as awkward on her end. I had to tell my siblings, my husband, and my daughter to just address me normally because of how uncomfortable I felt.

>I'm imagining something like a high energetic slice of life anime combined with a immense amount of magical girls/boys as a natural occurring phenomenon.
Venti would treat it as a vacation spot.

>Well that'd be one hell of a trick to pull as a concert.
You do have uplifting other worlds as a goal, so why not mix business with your passions?

>>Ritsuka: Remember, as a Saint it is your sworn duty to carry out the will of the gods. Now give me the cookies.
>A literal mountains worth of cookies is then dropped on the goddess in true journey to the west style.

>Venti would treat it as a vacation spot.
Its good to engage in your wifes interests.

>>96244113
>You do have uplifting other worlds as a goal, so why not mix business with your passions?
True enough. It'd be a good way to gather disciples to.

I'm not sure the context for it but I'm imagining in the early days of the multiverse hopping. They end up in a world really, really late into its life cycle. Past where all life's kind of died a bit. And they just... walk, witness the end what they wish to avoid for their own world. The stars go out slowly. A melancholic sight but the birth of something new that comes after it.

>>96244165
>I'm not sure the context for it but I'm imagining in the early days of the multiverse hopping. They end up in a world really, really late into its life cycle. Past where all life's kind of died a bit. And they just... walk, witness the end what they wish to avoid for their own world. The stars go out slowly. A melancholic sight but the birth of something new that comes after it.
You’re reminding me of something, and now I’m imagining you finding a few immortal beings still remaining in the universe, wishing they could have died with everyone else and just waiting to see what the end will bring.

>>96244247
That'd be fitting a bit. If sad. I imagine there is a universe that follows eventually after the end comes though. It would definitely give venti a lot to think on though. For both himself, Hyrule and existence in general.

Venti: I am not familiar with this world. Its songs are not mine to sing. But in these last days I am honored to witness them.

>>96244303
>That'd be fitting a bit. If sad.
This would of course end with you offering to take them to another universe, so they don’t have to exist in a dead one anymore.

>It would definitely give venti a lot to think on though. For both himself, Hyrule and existence in general.
Maybe fixing entropy is part of the benefits that comes with a land that’s been altered by Triune cultivation.

>Venti: I am not familiar with this world. Its songs are not mine to sing. But in these last days I am honored to witness them.
>Following this, he used the Dream Eye to look over the entire history of the universe, insuring that there would always be one who remembered that it, and all who lived in it, existed.

>>96244363
>This would of course end with you offering to take them to another universe, so they don’t have to exist in a dead one anymore.
Of course. It'd be heartless for him to do otherwise. Thinking about it maybe he ends up here solo somehow. Makes it more... meaningful a bit. Among strangers but equals mostly. Perhaps he'll play a song for them. A comfort in the end even if he can't avert it.

>Maybe fixing entropy is part of the benefits that comes with a land that’s been altered by Triune cultivation.
Thats what I was operating under a bit. Given Cultivators themselves do make more then they take in. The same could be said for the land a bit.


>>Following this, he used the Dream Eye to look over the entire history of the universe, insuring that there would always be one who remembered that it, and all who lived in it, existed.
Its one of those things where he things there's not much that can affect him being so old and seen so much. But this is something that can strike straight to the heart. Looking over all of history to remember it as this worlds last witness is definitely in character for him I feel.

>>96239909
>pic
I wanna chew on her horns.

>>96244465
No. Lick the horns gently instead.

>>96244461
>A comfort in the end even if he can't avert it.
>Thats what I was operating under a bit. Given Cultivators themselves do make more then they take in. The same could be said for the land a bit.
Maybe this is the event that drives you to travel to other universes and find worthy students to teach to cultivate.

>>96244544
Maybe. I imagine he's already started to do that if he's started travelling universes to get to this point. But perhaps it could sink in/properly solidify the ideal in his mind.

jesus christ is 9anon a blue archive fag or something, why does he keep letting people spam that shit in images

>>96244720
9Anon's streaming right now and it's not like it's particularly hard to just click the hide post button

>>96244720
Not 9anon, but I did ask them to slow down. It was just a private warning.

NGL, it's kind of funny how 4ggers were acting like the bunker would devolve into some den of Discord-esque depravity when it's actually these threads that have been posting homosexuality non-stop.

>>96244852
The DEGENERATE is QUICK to turn on his own ILK, like RATS in a CAGE. Only in the purity of VIOLENCE is consistent.

>>96244831
Annoying how warnings don't show on a post or in the log when you apply them by closing a report. Thanks for getting to it, and he seems to have listened since his more recent posts only have a single image each.

>>96244852
No PDFs means there's basically nothing to do here, and it mostly serves as a place for Shard to unleash his gohanposter inner self.

Gohan is unfathomably based. Literally based beyond belief.

>>96245006
Doesn't the term based mean something you agree with? Am I mistaken? Does that mean you agree with constantly forgetting to train so your power drops to shit level?

>>96245002
>No PDFs means there's basically nothing to do here,
There's no functional difference between linking a pdf file and having it attached to a post.

>>96245006
Gohan is so UTTERLY and COHERENTLY CRINGE that systems of BELIEF are IRRELEVANT to his ONTOLOGICAL LAMENESS. He is an A PRIORI LIVING FAILURE who can't even DIE CORRECTLY.

>>96245021
This is a common belief among Mexican fans of Gohan, yeah.

>>96245022
SOME people are SHY about SHOWING their google drive names to STRANGERS on the INTERNET.

>>96245022
Other than having to rely on the mercy of notoriously censorious (((middlemen))), you mean. And having to de-anonymize yourself. And..

>>96245044
>He doesn't know about putting jumps in the uploads folder.

>>96245052
>He doesn't CHECK for CONTRIBUTORS' NAMES attached to PDFs
Oh no no no...

>>96245051
Piccolo has truly gone too far this time.

>>96245042
>This is a common belief among Mexican fans of Gohan, yeah.

So they support laziness and not learning from your mistakes?

>>96245021
>>96245042
NTA, but being as fair to Gohan as possible, his jobbing is a result of his upbringing; he was torn between his knuckle-dragging, laser-barbarian space monkey father who wanted him to be a warrior from birth and his corposlop-brainwashed mother who demanded he be safe and grow up to be a salaryman. And then he was forced to fight Perfect Cell at like, five years old. The trauma isn't really his fault.
Also, he's a family man who's faithful to his wife. If nothing else, that alone is based.

>>96244997
No problem boss. I'll try to remember to apply warnings in the thread in the future just so anons don't think they're being ignored.

>>96245051
>having to de-anonymize yourself.
>notoriously censorious (((middlemen)))
https://files.catbox.moe/jwhlhs.pdf
Oh no, now everyone knows who I am! And this service known for their censorship will surely take it down momentarily!

>>96245069
How the hell did Chichi wind up so brainwashed. She was practically raised by wolves and ran around with a helmet that launched an axe blade. I don't know where she got that crap but it wasn't from her upbringing. I mean did she even attend school?

>>96245094
From what I understand, she stumbled into a cache of popular Japanese womens' magazines and used them as the basis for 'civilizing' herself so she wouldn't present as a country bumpkin. This tragically and irreversibly transformed her into a tiger mom.
Bandit princess loli Chichi was inarguably the superior version; Jumper should preserve it.

>>96245111
>she stumbled into a cache of popular Japanese womens' magazines and used them as the basis for 'civilizing' herself so she wouldn't present as a country bumpkin
that's horrifying. how do we make her not do this to herself. what basis can we present to her that is not this

>>96245131
I'm sure we can convince her to civilize herself using a hustle culture grindset as the basis if we provide her with the right kind of magazine. would that be better or worse for you?

>>96245068
Look at the state of their country. Yes. The ENTIRE COUNTRY is tainted by Gohan-coded behaviour.

>>96245069
>The trauma isn't really his fault
FAILING TO OVERCOME IT IS, Goku got SHOT IN THE HEAD and SEXUALLY HARASSED and had to fight HITLER before entering PUBERTY.

>he's a family man who's faithful to his wife
You mean he jobbed to his wife's pussy so hard she stopped having a personality and cut off her pigtails from the sheer TEDIUM of being Gohan's wife because he's such a milquetoast whelp you don't even need to TRY

>>96244831
thank you

>>96245152
>Look at the state of their country. Yes. The ENTIRE COUNTRY is tainted by Gohan-coded behaviour.

The entire country, or the entire world? I don't see to many people learning from their mistakes and they just follow whatever political thing they adhere to proving they are mentally lazy. I think this world may be infected with Jobber.

>>96245291
>I think this world may be infected with Jobber.
You're not wrong, but if you look at the analytics for Mexico's GDP, quality of life and other metrics you can tell it's jobbing harder than the rest of the world with the Battle of the Alamo and the Aztec empire as reference points.

Are there solar exalted charms that make you teleport? I remember a celestial one that does that, but I don't remember if solars have something similar.

>>96245734
I think there's a Martial Arts charm open to Solars which would let you teleport, Sorcery could perhaps give you a teleporting spell if you worked at making one, and you could likely create a charm that lets you essentially flash step as a sort of Athletics powered form of teleporting but I don't think proper teleportation is an option for a straight up Solar Charm.

Do women have their own rights in Jumper's Empire, or are the "rights" they possess just an extension of a man's right over his property?

>>96246032
They have a RIGHT to EMASCULATE GOHAN.

Chainbutt. The length of your chain is measured by the power offered by the jumps you select.

You could fit a lot of very mundane jumps into your chain. Maybe ten jumps that feature supernatural powers or advanced technology. Three jumps at most with powers that can be described as conceptual, or that offers a very easy way to gain enormous power very quickly. Take something on the level of universe-juggling cultivation or near-omnipotence right off the bat, and it's a one-jump chain.

You're free to mix and match. What does your chain look like?

>>96246133
Generic Gohanposting and as many CHADgon CHADall jumps as I can fit in next to it. Maybe SIX jumps altogether? ALAS, I cannot fit in ANGEL NOTES because ORTSTACY'S presence would SMASH the law of powerlevel conservation into a ZERO JUMP chain.

>>96246133
My first instinct is to just go to Medaka Box and since there's no rest of the chain anyway just take every single drawback (I might have to look them through again to make sure I don't fuck myself over first) and chainfail immediately.

At the very least I'm confident that no amount of street-level jumps will add up to conceptual bullshit.

>>96246133
I remember seeing something like this before. Like that other anon said, the play is to take a very high powered jump and load up on drawbacks, because either way you’re going home. I’d use Generic Xianxia.

>>96246198
ORT is weak.

>>96246577
You LOST, JOBga.

>>96246625
Olga is alive, UNBeast and soon to be a Grand.
Meanwhile, ORT got erased.

>>96246714
>Meanwhile, ORT got (headcanon)
INTO CHALDEA as a POWERFUL symbol of absolute DOMINANCE is the CANON outcome.

>>96246133
Are there any advantages to not just going with the most powerful jump and then creating your own worlds post-chain to have street level adventures if you really want to?
>DC Comics
>Drawbacks: Mystical Catnip, Rogues Gallery x5, Signs of the Apokolips (true forms), Men Pretending To Be Gods (And Martial Artists) (cosmic beings and Mortal Kombat), The Last Days of the Justice Society, Featuring Jumper From The Jumpchain Series, Foe of the Balance, Day of Vengeance (Spectre and Eclipso), A New Crisis [9900]
>Starting Location: Infinite Frontier, Earth-2
>Background options: Hybrid: Monitor (Super-Celestial) + 5D Imp, Drop In [7500]
Magical Potential (Opener/Hecate level) [6700]
The Power of Will: Indomitable [6500]
Living Intrinsic Field (Dr. Manhattan’s level): Crisis Energy [4900]
Crack in the 4th Wall [4700]
Empty Is My Hand [2900]
To Be Continued [1100]
Evolved Beyond Such Primitive Weaknesses [800]
Crisis born of Two Worlds [500]
Intelligence: 1st level (eidetic memory) [450]
Portal to the Mangoverse [Freebie]
-Retroactive Reveal
CP to RP [0, +900 RP]
MERELY ONE AVATAR OF MY TRUE GLORY [0 RP]

Did the Cyberpunk 2077 jump ever get finished?

>>96246133
Forerunner Saga
World Seed
40k Freelancer

>>96246833
9anon's still working on it.

>>96243957
Why is the emp a shota?

>>96246975
Star Child.

>>96244852
Pretty much. Shame the bunker seems down right now, at least for me. I heavily dislike coming around here these days given how it's 99% Gohanposting and shit-throwing.

>>96247637
.moe still works. You just need to accept the expired certificate. Firefox has the option if your browser doesn't.

>>96247714
Yeah, .moe works but it does give you the expired certificate warning - which can spook you. Still, better than nothing.

>>96247783
Dunno what is up with the bunker. I can't reply or post images or pdfs.

>>96247789
Never mind SE is back

Slavery is good when Jumper does it.

>>96246133
I have questions. Is power based on Actual build or on potential power you can get from the jump. Second does it take in to account companions you get/can get? I mean even pokemon you could acquire Arceus does that make Pokemon a one and done?

>>96248599
or when they willingly signed up for it

Is anyone else having trouble with posting on the Bunker on both moe AND se?

>>96250011
Yep.

>>96250011
Yeah. You can still get on moe if you have firefox and tell it to ignore the expired certificate, but right now both are a at least a bit fucked up until they gets their shit together.

>>96247789
My phone says my time is too far ahead, it won't let me access the bunker.
My time is set to automatic. I don't know how to fix that, I tried changing the time after removing auto.

>>96250081
I don't think your time has anyting to do with it. moe has an expired certificate that only needs them to stop being lazy and renew it, while se is just fucked for some reason.

The true Jumpchain wins once again

>>96250362
I guess it's time for the return of pure image jumps.

>>96243411
>pic
>there are people so low, base, and savage that they get thrown in the Hell of apes and monkeys rather than one of the human Hells
>hearing their cries of supplication, a goddess of earth manifests
>carves an annex out of Hell itself using her clay legions, battling hordes of beast demons who nothing but the rule of the strong devouring the weak to a standstill
>because it is the duty of civilization to tame the wilderness
>because humans' inherent worth means they shouldn't be treated as mere animals, no matter how low
>because genuine pleas for salvation should never go unanswered
>because nobody is truly beyond saving
Is Keiki Haniyasushin based?

>>96239497
SB's generic super academy iirc has his specific power on offer in the power section.

>>96250449
Why can't you guys just use the drive?

I always believed in /jc/.

So, uh, what did you guys do in your chain?

>>96251059
Trying to grab hidden/secret base items so I can frustrate my enemies with my sheer number of evil lairs.

>Comeback
>First image is fagshit
>Still can't post pdfs
>Can only post one (1) image at the time
At least there's no Nyanko.

So what's going on with .se anyways? I keep getting a 503 error.

>>96251099
Glowtards and ((((them)))) are trying to shut it down so everything gets funneled towards the controlled opposition.

>>96251059
Waifu things.

Moe is back

Bye old /jc/

>>96251059
Still stuck in FGO, trying to deal with Super President of Earth Olga-chan.

Die in a ditch /jc/

>>96251480
Sorry we don't do requests.

>>96251059
That's a broad question. Go on adventures. Make friends, build friends, Make a family and become a better and stronger person at least in my imagination.

>>96250040
Oh, hi Argent! How have you been dude?

>>96251246
Also hi Goji.

Rolled 3 + 2 (1d4 + 2)

I am bored and things are quiet. Let's roll for how many future kids pop up in the next jump (High School DxD)

>>96251914
5 kids huh? I didn't even know my Jumper played for the NBA.

>>96252310
I suggest you eat half of them to grow in power and motivate the rest to succeed

Jumper's how many titles do you have? How many titles is too many titles?

>>96252558
Three lines at minimum and five at maximum. Anything above or beneath makes it difficult for subjects during prayers.

>>96251087
>Can only post one (1) image at the time
Good. I have never seen a good use of multi-image posting.

>>96252360
What is it with jumpers and eating stuff for power? Some guy said he ate Goetia for power a day or two ago. I am beginning to think there are a lot of Vore fetish people around. Jumper (Talking with mouth full.) "Ummm it's for power I swear."

>>96253102
>WoL Anon posting updates to his jumps

>>96251809
Hey, anon.

>>96252558
Probably a decent few, but I don't think really any of my jumpers would really keep up with them... except maybe the Yaut'ja jumper.

>>96246833
No, but it is my next priority and I've been streaming the game to build up motivation, though I'm still on break from jumpmaking for now.

>>96248599
If they didn't want to get enslaved, they should have fought back harder.

>>96253458
>Pic
IDK why but I hate that Mechagodzilla more than the monsterverse and Ready player one but less than Heisei Mechagodzilla

>>96253860
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of it, but it's a ride design so ehhhh.

>>96253860
How do you feel about Urobuchi's "Mechagodzilla"?

posta builds for the latest qq jump
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ys21Cr4KZljvr57i4dHXKZKN1tKHbBFy/view?usp=drivesdk

>>96254605
Oh, it's that jump that was so bad Reddit didn't want it, that Blade decided to anonpost about on the bunkers horny thread

>>96254618
They did that because they're woke and couldn't handle the subject matter. Not because of any principles related to jump design.

>>96241566
I like the one in Reboot. As shown in the show, it works on people, animals and machines.
>200cp – To corrupt... - You can infect objects and programs with fragments of your own code, taking control and shifting their loyalty towards you. The average Sprite or piece of machinery won't be able to resist you, but you cannot infect Guardians and there are anti-viral commands that can remove the infection and hardened systems that can resist your influence. Post-jump, Creatures and systems that are very robust, willful, or have defenses against corruption/infection can resist your control.
>>96254605
>pic
That is one fine drow barmaid

>>96254605
>Lona
Based.

>>96254927
Nta but read the jump before you say that. It's full of retarded shit like adding perks to bodymod, perks that break lore "because you le hecking paid cp for it", etc.

>>96254951
The second I think it can be done in a tasteful manner, and we even have some jump that do it, but yes, adding to the bodymod is incredibly dumb and undermine the point of powerloss.

>>96254618
Nope, I actually straight up haven't looked at it yet.

Posting it here too
How much do you think should cost a schrift that allows me to create a copy of the soul of anyone I defeat in a real fight within my soul, and then manifest them as subordinates, with the addition that the copy can receive slight alterations (like reducing a bit their talent with a combat style to heighten another, or make them younger to give them the occasion to train in a different way from the template at the cost of them being younger)? The copies if defeated slowly regenerate within my soul, absorbing reishi to recreate themselves.
I was thinking it's too powerful for a 0 CP, but it's weaker than the zombie, so I might add something to bring it up to par.

>>96255652
It should be on the same scale as Zombie since you don't lose them if they get destroyed.

>>96255661
The zombie can resurrect people, including your zombie, and it can simply splash its blood on the opponent to enslave him, while also making the user far harder to kill, so it seemed to me stronger, but I will think of it, and if nothing else come up I will keep it as it is.
Thank you anon.

>>96255652
Theoretically speaking, could you use this to recreate a slain Gohan as a mutilated husk suffering countless genetic deformities and mental deficiencies in exchange for a powerful Bankai that either cannot benefit him directly or that harms him when he uses it?

>>96255891
As I thought it it wouldn't be capable of tweaking the target in an extreme manner like that, or Wonderweiss.
Gohan is based

>>96255652
>anyone I defeat
I guess it depends on what you mean by defeat. If the bar is low, it is certainly more powerful than zombie. It also can respawn the copies.
Honestly, if you make it a low bar and with that much control, I would put it on Visionary tier.

>>96255900
I put "a real fight" as a clause to mean the opponent must be genuinely trying to defeat me, adn at least must be aware of me.

>>96255906
*as his opponent.

>>96255899
Wonderful, what a based and GODDAMNFUCKINGPOWERFUL Schrift it is. I'm sure Yhwach will appreciate a show of deformed Gohans being forced to beat each other to death at the behest of their master, flailing wildly in a race to the sweet release of oblivion. He seems like the type to enjoy the culling of jobbers.
Wrong, Gohan is CRINGE

>>96255917
I said it wouldn't be able to make changes that all-emcompassing.
On the other hand it could sacrifice his age and a bit of his attitude for study in exchange for greater bloodlust and the occasion to be groomed into a fighter rather than a scholar.

>>96255923
Anything is possible with science, the Steinritter proved this by making Bankai Pokeballs and Mayuri proved this by making Anti-Bankai Pokeball technology.

>>96256118
Yes, I was talking specifically with this Schrift.
You just made me realize I probably should be using intellectual titan to build artificial souls based on people instead.

>>96256118
Urahara made the Bankai-theft counter though.

>>96256273
SHIT you're RIGHT I mixed up who fought the giant hand-baby thing.

>>96255906
It would be fitting for the bullshit that Bleach hax is that the win condition may be winning at anything.

>>96256380
I was trying to make it relatively economic.
As an additional question would it be a fitting name W the what-if?

Which FNAF character should I turn my person sized technoorganic mecha into?

And should I use NuBee's Base of Operations's Property Conversion and Entry:Stomach options to make it so the meat mech needs to vore me?
>Scorn - Cyborg ● Costs 200 Biomass, 100 Biomass with discount, or no cost for Homunculi A patchwork of machinery and flesh (not that there’s much difference between the two here). This body is powerful and easy to control. No matter your size or physiology, the cockpit of the cyborg is always the perfect size for you to slide inside and operate. It doesn’t seem to require an external fuel source, but the storage compartment on its back is vulnerable to attack when open.

>FNAF - 100/200/400/600 - Animatronics These are what Freddy's is all about! These high tech animatronics are perfect for both children's entertainment and child murder! You can buy any set of animatronics seen in the franchise, with the price tag determining their quality. 100 points gets you the animatronics seen in FNaF 1 or things of similar quality (including springlock suits), 200 gets you more advanced ones seen in FNaF 2 and Sister Location, 400 gets you the fully sapient and extremely advanced animatronics seen in Security Breach. 600 us special - you can get your very own "mech animatronic" (which you can import similar tech into) similar to how Glamrock Freddy could be piloted by Gregory, with it being very resistant to corruptive forces and hacking.

>>96257037
>Which FNAF character should I turn my person sized technoorganic mecha into?
Number 1 crate

>>96257037
>And should I use NuBee's Base of Operations's Property Conversion and Entry:Stomach options to make it so the meat mech needs to vore me?
Yes

>>96257037
Foxy.

>>96257186
Nah. I wanna have two legs and hands

>>96257037
One of the "hot" girl ones

>>96257212
Maybe a dumb idea but I feel like it would be funny to make the new female mecha a magical girl too. So it would be a mecha that looks like one of the female animatronic in a sailor fuku that instinctively poses and probably throws out lines about love and justice.

>>96257037
Monty.

>>96251809
Hey Cheerful. Just been chilling mostly and occasionally working on jumps when the heat isn't raping me up the ass with a burning shaft.

>>96255495
So that means you're just gonna let reddit put this shit in the Qq drive without saying anything?

>>96258319
Glad to hear! Its been burning even where I am, and gotten quite uncomfy even for me, saying this as someone that loves summer.

Oh, what you working on?

>>96253458
How have you been? Also neato Godzilla fight.

>>96251123
sometimes i wonder what it would be like to use amberite powers to enter one of these worlds

Is disaster relief funding within Jumper's Nation contingent on citizens' support of a foreign country?

>>96259563
Jumper's nation doesn't get disasters

>>96259203
Not bad at all honestly. I've worked about 9-ish days straight, but I've been reading a lot of comics lately too and I've been like it.

>>96259820
>pic
>Megatron not anger.
>Matrix bearer not wisdom.

Hmn

>>96259820
Why do the Transformers have Stands?

>>96259951
Why wouldn't they have stands?

>oWoD The Dark Medieval
>Origin: Cainite, F, "12". -200 800

>Perks: Shepard In Sheep's Clothing -200, Plague Immunity -100, Ashen Priest (Via Humanitatis), Masquerade -200, Way of the Triumphant Crane -100, Hell Was Worse -100. -700 100
>Items: Herd, Retainers -100 0

Being a Kindred sucks. Being a Caitiff sucks. Being a child vampire sucks. Being a girl in the middle ages sucks. Being all four sucks absolute ass. But, I've been embraced and now I just gotta deal with that fact, hopefully without getting murdered. Yay.

>Vampire the Masquerade
>Origin: Caitiff, F, "12"

>Drawbacks: Child Vampire +100, Idealist +200, Nobody Expects the Inquisition +200. +500 1500
>Perks: Ancient -400, Golconda -400, Unlife Support Group, Unbound -100, Insight -200, Inceptor (Blood Alchemy) -300. -1400 100
>Items: Wardrobe, Haven -100 0

I did manage to survive an exceptionally long time, despite having a lot of enemies and very very few allies. I've managed to achieve a lot in my time too! Growing into a level of power that most can't match and creating my very own Discipline, a kind of Blood Alchemy that allows me to synthesise potions that allow me to temporarily use the Disciplines of other Kindred.

I've also managed to achieve Golconda all on my own! It... hasn't actually given me much though, beyond making it so that I don't Frenzy anymore. I wasn't actually sure what I'd get for spending the centuries trying to attain enlightenment, and the final reward seems kinda lackluster?

Unfortunately, Vampire Hunters have become rather persistent in the last few decades, so I'm in for a rather bad time, constantly dealing with a well armed hunter organization dedicated to killing me specifically

>>96259994
>Wraith the Oblivion
>Origin: Risen, Heretic, F, 12. -100 900

>Drawbacks: A Little Too Gothic +100, Spectre Bait +200, Ends of Empire +300. +600 1500
>Perks: Beyond Catharsis, Obsessive -200, Arcanoi Master x4 (Celerity, Fortitude, Potence, Serendipity) -1000, Path to Transcendence, The Ritual of Severance -300. -1500 0

I uh. Didn't manage to escape the inquisition in the end. Fuckers found out that I was rather fond of my servants and started targetting them to get at me.

It's pretty weird to actually end up in the Shadowlands, since I always ascribed to the belief that I'd be consigned to oblivion instead. But, well, you don't live eight hundred years as a Caitiff without learning how to seek out and take advantage of every opportunity possible, right?

Now I'm running around as a Risen, working on settling my earthly debts and accepting my death so that I can undergo Transcendence. It's a rather difficult thing to accept for one that's struggled against the idea of dying for so very long, but there's essentially nothing good about being a Wraith

>OWoD Mortals
>Origin: Freak, Revenant (Dhampir), F, 12. -300 700

>Perks: But At Least You're Hot, Right? -100, Favored Child, First Team Training -100, Hidden Corruption -200, Indomitable -300. -700 0
>Items: Wardrobe

1st Edition had rules for being reborn as a mortal. They're immediately after the Golconda section of the sourcebook. Dying while sacrificing yourself for others and achieving Golconda are both methods of achieving that.

My time in the Shadowlands was my true Suspire, my chaining the Beast in VtM was actually the result of centuries of constant practice until suppressing my frenzy became second nature. It's rather upsetting that my reward for accepting my death was to be reborn as a human again, but whatever.

Well. Mostly human. You don't spend almost eight centuries as a vampire without being changed in some way.

>>96259951
Behind Optimus and Megatron are representations of Unicron and Primus who are gods of the transformers multiverse. If anything Optimus and Megatron are the stands.

>>96259924
I'd say Megatron would be Fear actually. He's got a lot of anger for sure, but he certainly wants to rule through fear. Optimus could go back and forth between Will or Hope. Coin toss probably.

>>96260180
>Optimus could go back and forth between Will or Hope. Coin toss probably.
Give me your face

>>96260294
No. I cannot.

>>96239497
Jumpchain houserule: you can only have 1000cp worth of perks active at any time, and it takes 1 min per cp to swap out. So completely chaning your build would take 16 hours.
Discounts only apply when you purchase perks, to add them to your swappable pool.

>>96260446
I probably keep all the time to be continued, andfor the rest use items, races, companions et cetera.

>>96260446
So if something is listed separately from perks (items, companions, powers etc.) it doesn't count toward the cap, and perks with a raw cost of more than 1000 might as well not exist?

>>96260446
Utterly retarded. Truly, only a redditor could envision something so asinine.

>>96260576
Yes and yes, with the caveat that companions have a similar 1000cp perk limit.

>>96260624
So I can pick up Skill Creation, which doesn't count against the cap since it's not listed as a perk, use it to create skills that have the effects of my perks and thus effectively have all my perks all the time.

>>96260653
Congratulations, you won this SB award for the most SB post in this thread.

>>96260364
I wasn't asking

Need a wife like Oguri Cap.

>>96239497
There's an decent-ish jump for Skittering Campione over on SB, it lets you buy into Parahuman powers including Eidolon's at the highest price point.

Do you jumper's companions have funny and embarrassing stories about your jumper? Do they get to tease jumper once in a while? Pic unrelated but fun.

>>96261462
The only reason to ask questions in this thread is so you don't get banned for obvious shitposting. Non-retards post sincere prompts in the bunker.

>>96239497
Any jump that lets you become a Servant for the various Wisdom of the [blank] and [Blank] Privilege Skills from Fate. Alchemical Solutions can give you another instance of discount Eidolon. The given powers are "pretty weak" but there's also the original Slay the Spire jump's Perfectly Suited.

>>96261539
Wow, you are an asshole. I was just wondering if people have a close enough relationship with their companions to have such stories and teasing. Jesus. I know most of us are dorks, so I figure even with all the perks we would still be dorks. Fuck wonder who shit in this guys cheerios.

>>96261462
Honestly a good bit. Jumper gets teased about for being the outright weakest in his group sometimes and the slowest to grow but its all in good fun.

>>96261843
That's nice though I am surprised the Jumper is the weakest in the group and slowest to grow. That's rather unusual. Then again I guess it depends on how you build.

>>96261913
Yeah them being the weakest is mostly because there basically trying to learn/practice everything at once. Magic, physical stuff, anything else that really draws there interest that doesn't immediately contribute to combat strength. There also admittedly not some big genius when it comes to fighting so compared to some of his companions that are mono focusing on their own stuff, he goes a lot slower. Even if he's not weak by normal human standards. Though by comparison he's immensely flexible.

How many posts is considered too long for a /tg/ writeup now that PDFs are disabled? 8 is too many, right?

>>96262535
Usually I'd say 4 or 5

>>96238883
>Since tonight/tomorrow is the 10 anniversary of FGO JP. What did your jumper do in FGO. Who did they do in FGO?
I can't be assed to do the FGO jump because I don't want to write out all of the mediocre portions of the story (the infamous stretch from Orleans to America immediately comes to mind). For FGO, I usually only do Lostbelt 6, which I usually access through the reddit jump for it, so I can beat the Calamities and take Barghest as a companions

>>96261462
They kind of accrete over the years until it's basically the only thing to talk about in between worlds being subsumed into perfect order. Everyone brings up the time I sat around watching the credits on Sesame Street with the Muppets for extra points, or got scammed for counterfeit "cosmic power'" disguised as the power of friendship. Nobody will let me forget the time I turned all of Minecraft into a tower and just sat in it and did nothing even though it was objectively the best use of my time.

At least I get to laugh along with them re: Oban Star Racers. I regret nothing about winning the race on a unicycle.

>>96259563
My nation doesn't get disasters, the Looms of Fate redirect them at enemy nations. I've taken more than just the napkin, I've taken the entire dinner table.

>>96252558
Way too many. There's a god in charge of sorting them all so I don't end up getting introduced as the King of the Universe, Whose Wheels Are Ever-Turning at a pastry shop I used to work at, and Assistant Baker at the cosmic nexus of realities where other demiurges gather to hear my will. If it wasn't for the list and my perfect memory, local pastry shops would start getting visits from sentient burning sigils asking why the sacrifices are covered in raisins, and some confused world-creating titans would get given a lot of muffin recipes.

>>96251059
The use of DC as a metaphysical fulcrum to simultaneously compress all realities and unrealities into one single world while also shooting Marvel into Azathoth's stupid face proceeds.

>>96262562
Fair enough. Thank goodness for bunker-length word limits.

>>96262588
Ah wait you said to long. I'd was meaning 4-5 was the limit there probably for one thing at once my bad.

>>96262599
>one thing at once
Yeah that's what I assumed you meant, since I did in fact just drop off what was at one point meant to be an 8-post writeup on the bunker. Where it is now merely a 2-post writeup instead.

>>96262620
Fair enough then.

>>96261378
Careful you don't lose any fingers.

>>96262584
>My nation doesn't get disasters, the Looms of Fate redirect them at enemy nations. I've taken more than just the napkin, I've taken the entire dinner table.
You could do that with a the corpse of a Jew, no need to set-up a Loom of Fate.

>>96260446
Seems like it would scale badly.

>>96260446
What HAPPENS if you try to FIGHT while your PERKS are CHANGING? If, FOR EXAMPLE, I changed a perk for being a living machine out for a perk for being a giant insect while hunting Gohan would he be treated to the sight of a CRONENBERGESQUE ABOMINATION chasing him through the streets?

Who was more based?
>Franco
>Hirihito
>Hitler
>Mussolini
>Pinochet

>>96264588
>Hirihito
who dis?

>>96264601
Ruler of Imperial Japan.

>>96264630
Nah, doesn't sound like him.

>>96264644
Didn't ask.

>>96264654
Who asked?

>>96264655
Nobody.

Gohan is so fucking based it's unreal.

I need yuri couples to base some OCs on so that they can lose to the dick.

>>96265264
MadoHomu. Gundam Witches. Uranus/Neptune.

>>96265264
Tracer and Emily.

>>96265264
Honkai 3rd Impact.

>>96265264
Korra and Assami

>futa
Balls or no balls?

>>96266493
Balls and no vagina

>>96266527
>no vagina
Not futa.

>>96266548
You have a stupid definition of futa then

>>96266493
Balls. No balls just look weird.

>>96266493
Balls

>>96266560
The original definition of futa is literally just ‘both’. If it doesn’t have both, it’s not futanari, it’s one of the seventeen other words to describe a girl with a penis, like dickgirl or shemale.

>>96266493
No futa.

>>96266903
Wrong

>>96266913
Is what you are.

>>96266493
Unless you are asking about wifus who are packing or would if they could I don't see how this is jumpchain related. There is one asshole here who has a hard on for the bunker. Let's not prove him right, lets do better.

>>96267597
There are many futa-related jumps or jumps where it's possible to create futa.

>>96267599
Name 1 that isn't from QQ. If there is some canon futa characters in jumps that offer futa perks I will withdraw my objection. Don't say saber, as far as I know there are no perks based on her having at one time had a dick thanks to Merlin.

>>96267619
NTA, but Nier. The female protagonist is canonically a hermaphrodite. Like, as an important plot point.

>>96267619
Nier.

>b-but Fate doesn't count!!
Why? There are multiple jumps that offer Mageceaft, which is how it was done. There's also Paladin of Shadows from Fate/ France, based on Astolfo and Chevalier D'eon, whose genitals are whatever they want them to be at any given time.

There's Greek Mythology, Percy Jackson, etc. jumps, where Hermaphroditus exists, and you can be their child.

You can be a Hutt in Star Wars.

Exalted has a hermaphroditic goddess of prostitution.

Mage has a Legacy that turns you into a hermaphrodite.

There's an Unknown Armies WIP, and one of the magic systems in that setting features hermaphrodites as one of the options.

We have a Morrowind jump, a game where Vivec is pretty much the real main character.

>>96267671
>Mage has a Legacy that turns you into a hermaphrodite.
Which Legacy?

>>96267690
Uhhhhh don't quite recall. Something like Dasha.

>>96267660
>>96267671
Okay fine, I guess Futa is fair game.

>>96267690
>>96267695
Oh, yeah, there's a k in there somewhere.
>Daksha
>Daskha
>Dashka
>Dashak

One of those.

>>96267619
Eclipse Phase features both sequential and simultaneous hermaphrodism. Canonically, The Stars Our Destination has a subgroup which upgraded the Sex Switch biomod for more fine control because the stock variety wasn't good enough for them. So not only can they mix and match plumbing, but also have a masculine/feminine slider that they can adjust as much as they like (though it takes about a week to kick in).
Add in a Fat Storage biomod to tweak where fat deposits are located and you can have pretty much any physique you'd like on demand.

I am currently reading a yurigem. What yurigem jumps are there? Do not offer up yuricoal like the wasp whore or yurisekai jumps.

>>96266903
Correct and based to an unfathomable degree.

>>96268168
Incorrect. You need to be banned from the bunker.

>>96266493
If there is to be futa there should be balls, but futa tends to drastically reduce productivity.

>>96268161
what is yurigem if I may ask?

>>96268518
Steven Universe.

>>96268525
I feel like even if this is a joke it is also technically correct. It has yuri and gems so it should count.

>>96268535
It is a joke, I don't know what a yurigem is either.

>>96268518
The opposite of yuricoal. (Something)-coal is a bad version of that thing while (something)-gem is a good one.

>>96268554 (Me)
This is also used in a reversed order such as gemposting/coalposting.

Since people don't know what Yurigem things are how about just Yuri, what are some good Yuri jumps for people who like girl on girl love?

>>96268554
That's such a fucking stupid reason for a word to exist. Just say "good yuri" instead of talking like a teenage girl.

>>96268612
But that's what I asked...
>>96268615
>picrel

>>96265264
Uranus and Neptune immediately spring to mind.

>>96268623
>But that's what I asked...
Then why didn't you just ask like a normal person?

If we are going Yuri stuff I would say Madoka Magica, not the original jump because it's shit but the wraith timeline or whatever it was because it's a decent jump.

>>96268660
You gotta stay hip and keep up with modern lingo. If you don't then the Zoomers and Gen Alphas are going to make fun of you and call you a boomer.

>>96268688
That's a good thing at this point. I'd rather be unc than whatever the next generation considers hip.

>>96266493
As long as there's a vagina.

>>96268711
Whatever you say, unc.

>>96268733
Skibidi ohio rizz, no cap.

>take a gander in QQ after being gone for awhile
>last 10 pages are just cliffc999 and his cronies lecturing people on why you should never ever do anything with higher than 0.000000000% risk and why you should always optimize your builds for max power
Jesus Christ, they really are just SB now.

>>96268658
Unrelated but didn't they run around accidentally killing a bunch of innocent people looking for something when they were first introduced? I just wonder if that's true how they get a pass on that just because they are on the good guys side. Also didn't they kill a couple of other outer senshi to get in good with the current big bad and then failed to kill her. These two seem like a couple of assholes.

>>96268760
It got a lot worse after cliff got banned from sb the first time. He brought a lot of his friends with him when he came over.

>>96268760
What the fuck were you expecting?
No really, what the FUCK were you expecting?
Every time. Every fucking time one of you NIGGERS goes to QQ expecting something better from the community founded around "hehe sex" at the expense of everything else, KNOWING it tolerates people like Cliff and Bancho, and then come back exclaiming that by Jove! It's a cesspit of scum and villain!

I want to grab you by the shoulders, shake you hard, and explain to you that this is why carrying expectations into the other Jumpchain communities is as foolish an errand as trying not to lose to cock while you're a female paladin in a rape doujin. If you give self-important prats an inch, they'll take a mile. It's inevitable. A law of human nature.

>>96268790
So banning Cliff just made him stronger. Maybe they should have gave him his own section to rant on. Cliff's Corner, and then no one with half a brain will go there. He can rant with his friends all he wants and the normal people get left alone. On an unrelated not we should start a Jumpchain page just for dissing Gohan seriously. Hate that guy.

>>96268773
iirc they didn't accidentally kill any innocent people. They did iirc kill Pluto and Saturn in an attempt to trick Galaxia into letting them get close enough to kill her, because they legit believed they were all going to die and had no other chance, but it failed because Galaxia is basically the Thanos of the sailor moon setting and killed them both effortlessly. It was still a super shitty thing for them to do though.

>>96268866
Germany is the Gohan of Europe.

>>96268901
France is right there tho.

>>96268909
>Terrorises Europe under Napoleon
>Conquers Vietnam, imposes a "treaty" on Germany
>Takes one little L
>Suddenly history is rewritten to make one of the most successful and warlike European countries look like a hyper jobber
>Currently the country is in a state of constant implosion between caught videoed getting slapped by his wife, constant protests, and foreigners leaving Paris disgusted by it's current condition. Roughly put through as many humiliation rituals as being forced to dance for the literal author's pet or learning a technique that literally requires getting beaten up just to avoid comparisons with Goku
Nah, France is the Bejita-sama of Europe.

>>96269130
Don't forget
>comprises like 90+% of the ruling class of their historic rival

>>96269146
Ah yes, the canonical geopolitical equivalent of Goku being memed into asking Bejita-sama to kiss his wife. The absolute STATE of England (ruled by a fucking GERMAN lineage, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family who had to literally renamed to fit in).

I guess that makes England Goten.

>>96269130
>>96269146

Couldn't you make the argument that Spain and Portugal are the Gohan of Europe?

>used to be imperial rivals to the other main European powers
>now basically irrelevant geopolitically

Sure, the rest of Europe are more or less "America's bitch", but they're still relevant.

>>96269177
>now basically irrelevant geopolitically
Spain is the non-Asian country that British influencers and tourists love going to blow all their money at the most, so they have that going for them at least. Also I'd argue Portugal was never relevant enough to be a serious imperial rival. It was Ginyu Force-tier, at best.

>>96268797
What alternative do you have if you want lewd jumps?

>>96269242
We should have lewd jumps on the main drive, that would solve things.

>>96269242
My solution is not wanting lewd jumps at all. If I want to fuck, I fuck. If I want to jerk it to porn, I jerk it to porn. I live freely as befits my nature instead of expecting competence from a community of autistic escapists. That's just being greedy.

>>96269418
>I live freely as befits my nature instead of expecting competence from a community of autistic escapists.
Then what are you doing here? That's just being greedy.

>>96269430
Nah, it befits my nature too.

>>96265264
Korra and Asami.

It's come to my attention that the Witch on the Holy Night jump does not in fact specify what paying 300 CP accomplishes in the generic companion section. It is in fact meant to be the standard 8-bro discount. I'm going to correct this and toss it on the drives.

>>96270378
Neato. Also, if it aint an issue Shard, can you clarify something for me?

If you a Hunting Renegade, and want to get the 600 point tier Magecraft Knowledge Perk, do you have to pay 300 or 200 points? The rules are a bit murky, or I didn't read em well enough.

Also, if we choose Atlas Style Alchemy for our magecraft, does it come with the whole package of Thought Partition and Acceleration?

Anyhow, thanks again for the jump, its awesome....fuck do I need to play Mahoyo.

>>96270449
>300 or 200
Heretical Achievement? Should be 300.
>whole package
It contains everything it needs for the magecraft to be functional, so yes.

>>96270378
What's your OTB for Mahoutsukai on the Holy Yoru?

>>96270513
I ain't Cliff, I don't have one.

>>96270507
Thanks Shard! Now, to find a way to outTouko Touko herself.

That or find a way to yoink Heaven's Feel. Project 'Totally-Not-Sheba' is a go!

I'm woke. For years, I've been using my jumps to subvert /jc/ from the inside.

>>96270507
>>96270540
>Heretical Achievement?
Oh no, re-read the jump just now. I was talking about Reenactment of Mystery.

So, 100 extra points, since it says the Young magus would have to pay 200?

>>96270622
Oh. Nah, you pay the stated price (200, 300, 400) unless you're part of the specified background in which case you get the perk for free to represent the fact that you are actually roughly Aoko/Touko/Alice-level in GENERALISED proficiency at your field of magecraft. And only your field in magecraft.

>>96270622
>>96270632
Wait, WAIT, okay hang on it's been too long since I've read my own jumps, also possibly I've just been confused by trying to figure out which perk we're even talking about.

>by paying the 100-200 subtracted from a higher tier
Yep, I wrote the example below that for a reason. SO, it would cost Hunting Renegade 100 CP to upgrade Reenactment of Mystery to the 400 CP tier.

>>96270768
>upgrade Reenactment of Mystery to the 400 CP tier.

Would it be safe to say that, at that level I could build something like the Black Barrel, or Shadow Border with Atlas Alchemy?

Or figure out a way to get True Ether?

>>96270822
...in light of the fact that Alice is literally a True Magic (subtype) user, sure.

>>96259203
>Oh, what you working on?
Changed mostly. But was also tinkering with Care Bears and 7th Prince a little.

>>96271384
>Changed mostly.
Never heard about it. What it about?

What do think of the latest stuff in the manga, and the second season for 7th Prince's anime?

[Fate/Grand Order part 2 redux]

>Previously: [field too long, relegated to Chain Writing Thread on infinitychan]

The Singularity literally crashed and burned behind us as I stepped outside with Elodie, in a situation that would have only been slightly less awkward if we'd actually ended my courtroom trial by having violent sex in front of the judge. "This is NOT what I foresaw, Elodie" I griped.

"...I mean, is that a bad thing?" she said weakly. "I mean, now that we've established I am TOTALLY willing to work for you undertermsandconditionstobespecifiedatalaterdate isn't it better we...don't have a big cathartic anime fight? I thought you hated that sort of thing"

"Is it? As someone who'd know, it seems far superior to burning alive in hellfire" echoed Lucifer Morningstar who, fresh off the happiness of pulling a triple agent backstab on the local representative of Heaven, was practically skipping out of the broken shards of space time.

"YES. I abhor the unnecessary expenditure of energy" I griped. "And I abhor unnecessary suffering even more than that. I hope you appreciate Elodie, that in throwing in your lot with me everything that happens from this point is on your head. The stars will rain fire and the cosmos itself will boil, as history runs red with the blood of billions"

"Cool. That makes two of us" said Elodie blithely. "I honestly just want to sign the blasted devil's pact or whatever with you and go home and take a nap. Er, no offence" she added to Lucifer. "I...just figured out you're the Devil"

"None taken" he said graciously. "Remind my counterpart to introduce you to my niece if you're ever in my native reality" he said, handing her a singed feather.

Elodie twitched, expecting me to rise to the bait. I didn't. Partly because I was too intelligent to.

Partly because, well, someone was trying to blow up the planet. "Oh, how adorably precocious" scoffed the Devil.

1/5

>>96271610
"Grail. Kama. Fou. Mashu. Do you have the package?" I asked.

"He's secure" confirmed Grail, stepping through a portal. "One maiden in distress to distract, one punt to the solar plexus to incapacitate. Oh, and congratulations on your new form!" Her eyes narrowed as she saw Elodie by my side, then widened at the energy signature from on high. "What?! So soon! We don't have time, the traitor must be-"

"Haven't you heard, little byblow?" snarked Lucifer. "Elodie just came crawling back for her place at the table"

"The Morningstar is being trite, but correct. By the law established through the Charms of Theion, those who submit to me are not traitors to be hounded, but chattel to be preserved or sublimed at my discretion" I said meaningfully, stepping in the way. "You wouldn't break my property now, would you?"

"...of course not. Our master" said Grail, bending the knee to hide the look of sheer, disbelieving hatred she levelled at Elodie, who was shuffling awkwardly. "Great. Oh look, a vertical Singularity extending up into the stratosphere. I'll just deal with that and be back home for the final cosmic calibrations" I said, leaving the girls behind to sort out their differences.

I didn't fly. I simply willed time and space into a different configuration. Retroactively positioning myself in front of the invader, the last E-Olga and the embodiment of some long-lost U-Olga's hatred. As I approached she unleashed a psychic barrage of intentionalities:

NO EXCEPTIONS
NO SPECIAL CASES
SIMPLY DIE OUT
DON'T SPEAK UP DON'T FLAUNT YOUR EGO NO HELP WILL COME
WITH PRECISION AND CARE
EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS
ON THIS PLANET, AND IN THIS COSMOS
...WILL BE SEIZED

Which brought me crashing to a halt. Not because the broadcast was strong enough to kill a man (even though it was), and not because of the sheer malice before me, oh no.

"...you. I have finally found you" I said, with disbelieving joy and relief, "MOOD KINDRED"

2/5

>>96271616
The look on the E-Olga's face of palpable surprise, confusion, and the faintest wisp of hope mirrored my own astonishment. Faced with another attack so soon after Metatron's kangaroo court, I was preparing myself to be in the worst of moods for another day or so. But that wasn't what I found myself faced with. No, after the archangel's presumptuous folly, here was one that had suffered as I had suffered, lashing out in pain and confusion.

And I could do nothing in such circumstances, but reach out in comfort, understanding and acceptance. As I had with the Beasts. As I had with the True Dragons and the Ultimate Ones. For it was the singular purpose I knew with certainty God had created me, to act as a system and not an individual, and it was my one and only purpose.

"...mood...kin...dred..." mouthed the E-Olga as I swept her up in a big EX rank hug. "Are you...are you also...drowning in hatred and sorrow at this awful world?"

"Yes" I laugh-sobbed, "YES! You understand!!"

"M-mood kindred?!"

"MOOD KINDREEEEEED!" I bellowed. And the Singularity fell apart, in confusion and cacophony, as together we floated down to the ground where it sure looked like Elodie and Grail had just gone through some sort of meaningful conversation too long to fit in these posts and the Devil was just off to the side. Eating popcorn.

"Cannot. Cannot function. Without hatred. Without GRUDGE" mumbled the E-Olga as we landed. "Okay" I said. "Okay?" she asked in confusion. "So, I don't know, become an Avenger or something. If I've learned one thing about this world, it's that it's full of all kinds of unimaginable possibilities. Ridiculous ones. Sometimes even dangerous ones. But always, novelty. For example, with my new Grand Unsaver powers I can do THIS"

With a sweep of my hand, Captain Pollution sprang up from a chunk of masonry incinerated by the Devil on his way out.

3/5

>>96271627
"Totally RADICAL greetings from nirvana to YOU, funny woman! I'm surfin' the wave of Samsara back into a new Servant container, freed from the SQUARES in the Throne of Heroes" he screeched. "Servant: Captain Pollution. Class: POLLUTER! AW YEAH, let's take a fat radioactive shit on Gaia's smug face!"

"Not so fast, Captain Pollution!" shouted a voice from a dove trying to flee the Singularity as I twiddled my fingers. "Wherever the polluting forces of Alaya go, there's always an equal and opposite reaction! Servant: Captain Planet. Class: Saver! I'm the man inheriting the will of humanity to coexist with the planet, and you're going down!"

"Looks like it's SWORD OR DEATH, ya poser! Bring it on!"

"HA, I thought you'd never ask!"

Captains Planet and Pollution proceeded to engage in an EX ranked strength friendly brawl that was simultaneously more powerful than anything Grand Archer Hercules could have pulled out, and also absolutely fucking ridiculous. They yelled things like POLLUTION BEAM and NECO-ARC, LEND ME YOUR POWER! while charging up enough mana to make a whole family of magi orgasm and clumsily bashing it against each other like particularly heavy rocks. As the Devil ate popcorn at this, as Elodie and Grail gawked, and as even the other Beasts stared aghast at what was happening the being called E-Stellar Marie stared. And stared. And stared.

"So you can see, the fact that Captain Planet and Captain Pollution can form a friendly rivalry is some kind of metaphor for how opposing forces can coexist in this world" I explained as Planet dragged Pollution around in a full nelson. "And according to my calculations, analysing the clash of an artificial concept against an agent of the planet should show you how to heal the rage in your own Saint Graph"

"Ha..HAhaHAHAHHahahaha!" said E-Stellar Marie, falling over laughing.

"...or you can just kind of save yourself through wishful thinking and happiness, sure"

4/5

>>96271631
"Oh, now you've done it" said the Devil, as suddenly streams of light started emitting from E-Stellar Marie and all the other E-Olgas I'd collected. "Done what?" I demanded.
...

I thought about all the Chaldeas I owned.
And therefore, all the CHALDEASes.
And therefore, all the E-Olga Maries.

. . .

"WHAT" I said, as ALL the E-Olgas suddenly started fusing together.

"Whoa, nice!" said Captains Planet and Pollution, stopping their fight.

"...I need a drink" said Elodie.

"CONGRATULATIONS, EARTHLING!" boomed Ultimate Ultra Unsurpassed Unrivalled-Olga, "You will make an EXCELLENT secretary of state!"

"I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS!"

"FUHAHAHA! All the sadness...the hatred...the joy, the comfort and the inexplicable holiday-ness within me, is telling me to give you a PRESIDENTIAL EMBRACE!"

"KUKULKAN, BY MY POLARIS LIGHT (which is like, worth 1000 Sirius Lights) GET OVER HERE AND DEAL WITH THIS" I bellowed in outrage. "Oh? Who's this? She looks pretty strong!" asked Kukulkan, instant transmitting over.

"...we didn't lose to you" mumbled UUUU-Olga.

"Eh? Have we met?"

"INSOLENCE! I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF A REAL COSMO-PRESIDENT! UNITED STATES OF...SINGULARITY!!!" shouted UUUU-Olga, hurling a blackest hole (it was like a black hole, but even darker) at Kukulkan.

It hit her. Crystalised. And fell apart. "Wow. That was actually a really strong attack. I'm impressed" said Kukulkan seriously. "However, you should know...as the Lostbelt King of my Master's lynchpin for universal salvation, I haven't been idle you know. Thanks to the upgrades to my World Egg, I'm far more powerful than when I was a mere Archetype"

"F-far more powerful?" whimpered UUUU-Olga, as Kuku started powering up. "S-secretary of state, please help! I need to get off this planet right NOW-"

And then Kuku screamed KUKULKAN FINAL IMPACT, and rammed into UUUU-Olga so hard she went flying into a weird timeline where everyone was babies.

5/5

After a decade of waiting, it's finally time for jumper to WAAAAAAGH!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-uhcmfdyz4iQm_lmsiStyWUS22xM-DGq/view?usp=sharing

>>96271737
>GenericAnon
>11 Page jump
Nah.

>>96271634
I feel bad for Shard here it's like he almost found a friend then at the last moment it was pulled away and he was hit in the face with more silliness. The autistic Reeee he gave at that must have ruptured a few near by dimensions.

>>96271634
>"F-far more powerful?" whimpered UUUU-Olga, as Kuku started powering up. "S-secretary of state, please help! I need to get off this planet right NOW-"
>And then Kuku screamed KUKULKAN FINAL IMPACT, and rammed into UUUU-Olga so hard she went flying into a weird timeline where everyone was babies.
This somehow generates more Olgas.

>>96271634
>Gets a new uber powerful servant
>Gets mad
Stop being a stubborn Master and raise your hips.

>>96271445
>Never heard about it. What it about?
Furry TF fetish game involving latex beasts.

>What do think of the latest stuff in the manga,
Mimi-Kewl has FUCKED my plans utterly, but that's on brand. And of course there's all the other wacky shit in the arc up until then that I'll have to either hardware for now or find some other means of accounting for from a jumpmaking standpoint. Art is still great though.

>and the second season for 7th Prince's anime?
It's been pretty good so far. Civil War getting animated was admittedly weaker than the manga but I think they did as well as they could.

>>96271808
>I feel bad for Shard here
I don't. He did this to himself.

>>96271737
Would Weirdboy stop your head from being exploded like The Beast?

Shard, explain to me what happened in Estival. I'm still lost.

>>96272712
I'm not Shard but it seems to be:
>a faction in Hell secretively helped a group of prisoners commandeer a greater law furnace
>the prisoners, who were veterans of London's failed attempt at waging war on Hell in '68, got stuck in the furnace when they pushed a devil into it in hopes of effecting an escape
>this causes laws in a wide area to go completely haywire and makes Hell disappear
>Milton (heavily implied to be a traitor devil) knew shit was going to get fucked and ran away to London before the prisoners made their escape
>he arrives on Tuesday, but unfortunately it's not going to be Tuesday until you fix time, it's going be DAY NOT FOUND or Thursday II or Echinacea
>once you fix that, he helps you fix the rest of the laws that are fucked up, then invade Hell via Parabola and fix the furnace
>he also directs you to a chunk of law (or slips it into your pocket if you're dumb as shit and didn't find it)
>this chunk of law, once reaching the law-furnace after you unstuck the prisoners, prevents Hell from touching them
>so now there's an enclave of former prisoners inside Hell and everything's (relatively) back to normal

>>96272661
It's meant to stop you from accidentally activating your own psyker powers in a way that hurts you, not from someone else reaching in and turning the basic Ork psychic field against you, not even if they're doing it accidentally. So probably not, as best as I can follow the technobabble around what was happening with the "reverse-waaaagh" effect.

>>96271737
>Infertile (Free)
Is there an actual canon basis for this or is it just a lame cop-out?

>>96266493
This >>96266527

>>96272420
>Art is still great though.
Glad you finally caught up. Personally I love the BS they brought with the Altar class Spells, also Alchemical Gundams.

But the thing that got me hype was the whole Dungeon invasion. Shame we didn't get more info on Bloodline magic, but oh well. Also the other Saloume siblings......one has to wonder, if the kids are so monstrous, then what the fuck was their dad like way back when.

Also the whole Mimi-Kewl thing was cracked. I love it.

The anime is nice. The new opening, Calling Cross, is awesome, and the fact we finally get to see Llyod use his Luxa is neato.

Though I do wonder how the heck you'll manage everything.

Anyhow, hope your day went well, and that jump progress continues.

Ending note, the new angel chick is hot. Also Genderbent Llyod, though I dunno if that is more due to Mimi-kewl's strange Domain Expansion, or due to Lloyd being a Saloume royal.

>>96266493
Balls obviously

>>96273090
It's probably there to make sure you don't unintentionally start an infestation where you don't want to.

>>96273090
No, it's an extremely minor power made up to help facilitate a jumper using this jump's altform without accidentally setting off an apocalypse.

>>96273635
It's a long term apocalypse anyways.

>>96243669
>153 - Library of Ruina
>Drawbacks
>Location & Time
District 23
>Background choices
22 years old
Drop In
>Purchases
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Augmented: Canard (Free)
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Detective Eyes (600)
Our Sun (300)
Gone Angels (0)
Theme songs by Mili and Studio EIM (Free)
Dime Store Weapons (Free)
An Actual Map (Free, discounted)
>Ending Option
The Next Train Out

As an anon, I have to admit that namefags are vastly superior to us nameless subhumans.

>>96271627
>"...mood...kin...dred..." mouthed the E-Olga as I swept her up in a big EX rank hug. "Are you...are you also...drowning in hatred and sorrow at this awful world?"
Cute. You should hug villains more.

>>96271737
>No Beast/Krork perks

>>96273635
>>96273762
Isn't there like a planet where Orks just kinda jobbed hard and nobody knew they invaded?

>>96273998
Isn't that just Necromunda?

>>96273965
>Prime Ork
>Nob (optional)

>>96274083
The Beast isn’t a Krork, he’s just the closest attempt at resembling one by modern orkz.

>>96273998
We don't talk about the Gohanboyz.

>>96274852
If they're the Gohan group, then they're they're the most based group of orks imaginable.

>>96274870
Factually incorrect, they would have been unforgivably cringe even as spores. In fact Gohanboyz wouldn't even develop into proper orky forms, they would just turn into fat balding overweight mushrooms that lurk in dark corners and feed on old books.

>>96273778
>They call me anonymous, but I was the one who was n-n-named!

I'm honestly kind of surprised Slay the Princess isn't an end-jump.

>>96275225
Nobody ever adds end jump options any more.

>>96275236
I do. I do recognize they're mostly ceremonial at this point though.

>>96275225
Clearly the joke is choosing to marry Shifty and go on a honeymoon into the multiverse is the start of a new cosmic horror-romance chain.

>>96275244
I think your endjump scenarios are well-written, it's just that until Gene put the Supreme Archetype itself up on the chopping block I legitimately never found a fitting endjump for my chain.

>>96275289
Being the Most Ancient Dreamer in Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint is functionally the same as being the Supreme Archtype

>>96275309
>functionally
It specifically does not work out for my Jumper because it doesn't automatically enable the systematic destruction of all Outer Gods in all possible realities and higher dimensions.

>>96275380
>let me destroy God and end all reality because of my seething
Aren't you literally God's biggest simp though, Shard?

>>96275478
If I was I'd just convert all realities to Christianity instead of [bleak timeless harmony]. I like Him but I also ultimately think He's as much a victim of the structure of the multiverse degrading and rendering unsound everything. I mean, just look at the Demon Lord. And Chuck. And South Park. And Preacher's God if we ever get a jump for that.

Also no, the Supreme Archetype is not the Judeo-Christian supreme being, it's just Bigger Yog-Sothoth.

>>96273771
>Pic related
What are the best ways to ascend humanity into a higher lifeform?

>>96275225
Just didn't feel it. Specifically because it's genuinely possible to not only bind The Shifting Mound and TLQ using their own power, but it's outright possible for them to kill each other too - which became even more blatant with the Pristine Cut when TLQ manages to wrest enough control to outright kill Shifty even without killing her heart. Whilst effectively all-powerful within their purviews, they're not exactly the sort of thing that screams "end-jump" to me because of the limitations they have. But I recognize this as purely a me problem and that anybody else would most likely have made it a straight endjump.

>>96275236
I do. But like Skyrim said, I understand they're mostly ceremonial and hardly anybody treats them as such.

If I ever lose it enough to do Noisy Tenant, I'll probably make it an end-jump for example.

>>96275502
>Also no, the Supreme Archetype is not the Judeo-Christian supreme being, it's just Bigger Yog-Sothoth.
Shard, Silver Key all but outright calls it Literal God. And if you're counting things like Shadow of the Demon Lord to outright parodies like South Park or edgy shitposts like Preacher, then the only reason you don't count the Supreme Archetype is purely because of your Outer God autism.

>>96266493
>>96266560
>>96266657
Surprised our resident futa expert didn't weigh into this.

>>96275502
>>96275521
There's also God from The Second Apocalypse series who is...uh, genuinely fucking evil. As in, it's one of few examples of an outright Monad-like God I can name off the top of my head which has ever been portrayed as completely absolutely 100% evil and not just as a vague foundational background phenomenon. Fear from Enigma of Fear/Ordem is also outright called (and treated as) God and that is another example of something Monad-like being considered absolutely evil.

I know Shard inherently disagrees, but objectively speaking, the Supreme Archetype is just flat-out BETTER than most depictions of God in fiction and is genuinely better than pretty much all of those he mentioned from a moral standpoint.

Is sports betting safer or riskier then the stock market, assuming you're a time traveller looking to abuse your power for money?

>>96275573
Probably riskier, the businesses you'd want to invest in are less prone to being derailed by the butterfly effect than sports.

>>96275573
It has the advantage of your first bit being way easier and faster. you can just look out for some comical underdog victory like that time in horse racing Gold Ship just locked in and went from last place to first in one minute for no reason but because he felt like it.

>>96275604
Corporate does know how to run business. They just don't care about running business for next then the next quarter because that's all they're incentivized to care about.
why would you give a shit about long-term wellbeing of the company when you can just triple prices, get a bonus for tripling the profits and then dip to the next company before the customers fuck off?

>>96275573
Depends on how your method of timetravel is affected by the butterfly effect. Because a lot of sports is random chance so who wins is very random.

>>96275521
>>96275551
>Silver Key all but outright calls it Literal God
Just as the Axiom and YHWH are two separate things, unless it's surrounded by Super Angels and explicitly trying to bring about spiritual salvation I refuse to accept it as such when it's mere existence maintains the horrific and alien reality the most depicted part of the setting exists in.

>>96275551
>The Second Apocalypse
Don't have a jump for that, doesn't matter until we do.
>Fear from Enigma of Fear/Ordem
That's just it being so incomprehensible other characters to the point they can't assign it any other title. That's like a cavemen calling a plane God because he can't comprehend it, not because it has any of the other defined trappings.
>just flat-out BETTER
Except for the part where as a facet of timeless immutability it is directly responsible for Nyarlathotep being able to enact's it's role and reduce earth to dust in a poem. Objectively the Supreme Archetype SUCKS and deserves to be REDUCED TO ASH for the horrific conditions it subjects every living thing in it's cosmos to until Randolph Carter encounters it and inevitably fails to accomplish anything worthwhile with it's "intervention" (again, either a part of it's changelessness or proof of it's fallibility, you cannot have it both ways)

>>96275573
Depends on the time period you're visiting, I think. I mean, sports betting is probably safer during the Great Depression, while the stock market is probably safer to invest in during the Federation's era when the most concerning thing to happen for some time is the Cardassian war and the Borg, both of whom are ultimately resolved in a Federation victory. As far as we know, the Q don't fiddle with the stock market.

I always end up thinking of it as the Kardashian war.

>>96275656
>Don't have a jump for that, doesn't matter until we do.
You brought up Preacher Shard, I am allowed to bring up other settings we don't have jumps for.

>That's just it being so incomprehensible other characters to the point they can't assign it any other title.
Nope. One of the ways a manifestation of Fear is described is from an omniscient third-person view of a "vision of God" and Kian, who canonically has all the knowledge of the Other Side (and is a Paranormal entity himself due to having 100% NEX) doesn't CORRECT Verity when he says that Fear can be called God or Fate, despite presumably knowing better than anyone what it is.

>Except for the part where as a facet of timeless immutability it is directly responsible for Nyarlathotep being able to enact's it's role and reduce earth to dust in a poem.
Nyarlathotep does that on his own. He matters as much to the SA as a Yithian or a Mi-Go. That is, not at all. Don't blame the actions of others on it.

>Objectively the Supreme Archetype SUCKS and deserves to be REDUCED TO ASH for the horrific conditions it subjects every living thing in it's cosmos to until Randolph Carter encounters it and inevitably fails to accomplish anything worthwhile with it's "intervention" (again, either a part of it's changelessness or proof of it's fallibility, you cannot have it both ways)
Carter failed to "accomplish anything" because he specifically /refused/ the offer to be shown the boundless truth of all things when it finally offered to grant his wish and to let him witness the Ultimate reality. Carter just wanted to experience and explore forever and that's what his wish focused on, and what the Supreme Archetype granted him in a roundabout sense (because Carter wasn't fucking paying attention when it was explaining shit to him). And like I've mentioned to you before, if your earnest desire is to just destroy the SA out of some kind of moral obligation then there's no reason Umr-at-Tawil or the SA itself would deny.

>>96275690
>You brought up Preacher
I was...60% sure it had a crossover with something DC related by now, but it turns out that was revealed to me in a dream.
>omniscient third-person view
>"vision of God"
Uh, so like...we're considering the God of the original Silent Hill games God as well? Look it's an awe-inspiring manifestation of an acausal force, I don't trust the idiot monkeys who are otherwise mundane normies caught up in it to make accurate theological asssessments about it. Also Kian not correcting Verity doesn't really say that much when he could also just like, not see the point of arguing religion when it's tangible and real.
>Nyarlathotep does that on his own
Nyaralathotep doing that on his own is in fact a reason why the SA sucks.
>Don't blame the actions of others on it
Almost everything is the SA (I am still subscribing to Lovecraft's napkin lore, so Azathoth, Nyarly, the Darkness, and the Nameless Mist still sit outside of the SA's purview). Therefore the SA's structure is inherently reprehensible.
>because he specifically
Which according to you is part of the SA's timeless structure and therefore that failure to access to the boundless truth of all things is an inherent flaw in it. Assuming that it's even as positive an outcome as Carter hopes for. In no story does Carter ever become some kind of enlightened messiah, driving home the cosmic horror themes established in literally every other Lovecraftian story except the one where Yog-Sothoth's son is killed by an angry mob and it's progenitor just farts in response. If the SA is to be equated with Yog-Sothoth, then that right there is it's reaction to it's son's death. A fart.
>if your earnest desire is to just destroy the SA
I can think of one: The SA, lacking change, is inherently incapable of granting that wish. You are simultaneously assuming the SA is immutable and also that it has the means to destroy itself.

>>96275573
If you've got time travel you can just undo bets and investments that went wrong. You can try out different variations to figure out what gives you the greatest profit.

>>96275712
>Uh, so like...we're considering the God of the original Silent Hill games God as well?
No, because it's only called that by literal cultists. Fear is only ever called "God" by an omniscient POV that has no reason to lie and by Verity, who is just listing names that can be used for it in front of a guy/thing that would know better than anyone what it actually is and loves to yap about these things if he wants to lord his superior knowledge over you. Which he didn't do with Verity.

>Nyaralathotep doing that on his own is in fact a reason why the SA sucks.
>(I am still subscribing to Lovecraft's napkin lore, so Azathoth, Nyarly, the Darkness, and the Nameless Mist still sit outside of the SA's purview).
These two statements are mutually contradictory. If Nyarly and Azathoth are outside of it in terms of your chain writing, then It existing or not has no bearing on what it does or its degree (or lack thereof) of malevolence.

>Which according to you is part of the SA's timeless structure and therefore that failure to access to the boundless truth of all things is an inherent flaw in it. Assuming that it's even as positive an outcome as Carter hopes for.
Even after he got stranded in the body of an alien wizard, Carter directly acknowledges that the SA granted his wish exactly as he wished it - to witness a specific world/galaxy/space. He acknowledges that the fault was purely with him because he failed to recall the symbols needed to immediately return to it, like it fucking warned him to do.

>In no story does Carter ever become some kind of enlightened messiah,
He literally becomes a nigh-immortal space wizard at the end of Through The Gates, Shard. And the only reason he didn't attain enlightenment outright is because he essentially slurred his wish like a drunk then got snippy and impatient with Literal God when it was telling him to be careful and recall the magic symbols he needed to return to it after his sightseeing was done.

>>96275761
>And the only reason he didn't attain enlightenment outright is because he essentially slurred his wish like a drunk
Why was Carter drunk?

>>96275761
>an omniscient POV that has no raeson to lie
I can think of one: The POV is part of Fear.
>Verity
That sounds a lot like Verity just didn't want to be bothered with explaining the concept to someone he didn't see as deserving of the knowledge.
>These two statements are mutually contradictory
They are not. I could draw some Venn diagrams if I wanted to, but basically Nyarlathotep overlaps with the Supreme Archetype while still being outside of it, just like how Yog-Sothoth is all of space-time despite being imprisoned outside it. Also the SA still encompasses A LOT of other Outer Gods. The goal is total Outer God death.
>Carter directly-
According to you, anything Carter does is irrelevant because the SA is timeless and unchangeable until it suddenly isn't and Carter has agency again for the specific point being made by the story. Carter having any say in his ultimate fate is in fact mutually exclusive with the idea that the SA is truly all-encompassing and timeless, unless we are working on Marvel rules where a sufficiently strong and independent woman can ignore the Penance Stare just because.
>he essentially slurred his wish
And that SUCKS, because the act of slurring his wish is immanent in the design of the SA if we take it seriously as a cosmological constant instead of a capeshit character that has immutable rules about how it works and how other things are just subsets of it until it suddenly doesn't.
>Literal God
I still don't see the part where it explicitly loves and cherishes anything outside itself. Theoretically it should be incapable of emotion as humanly understood due to it's lack of change.

>>96275712
>>96275761
>If the SA is to be equated with Yog-Sothoth, then that right there is it's reaction to it's son's death. A fart.
It's only called/equated with Yog-Sothoth by peopel who don't know what it is - "Yog" is an infinitesimal facet of whatever it actually is and given that individual facets can act on their own, it might not have even been aware of what 'Yog' was doing to begin with. If you're dismissing things being called "God" in settings by in-universe sources on the basis of them being retarded hicks who don't know what they're talking about, then this should similarly be disregarded.

>I can think of one: The SA, lacking change, is inherently incapable of granting that wish.
It shows it's perfectly capable of granting wishes in the exact story Shard. The wishes it grants are /literally/ just it shifting people to any other facet of itself, which constitutes everything in existence and it can grant even otherwise unremarkable humans the ability to dominant the minds of other facets because those facets ARE them and are in turn parts of the SA. Change doesn't truly exist because everything is all the same thing, but this means the SA is perfectly capable of granting wishes that involve becoming all of those facets or understanding them because at the end of the day, nothing has turly changed; you jsut understand and experience more of the truth (whilst simultaneously still retaining your individuality from your perspective).

Literally all anyone has to do is go up to it and wish "I want to become all of my facets at once" or "I want to be merged with all the facets of myself that are the Outer Gods" and it can casually do that, just going by what is stated and shown in the novel. And it will guide you specifically in the way to most safely and easily go about this, it won't fuck you over with an evil genie wish.

>>96275784
He got brainblasted by the Supreme Archetype literally showing him the "Ultimate Mystery" and basically slurred out what his wish was immediately following that, and it automatically obliged. Then he got impatient when it was explaining how to avoid screwing himself over and getting back to it once he was done seeing what he wanted to see and sating his curiosity and essentially told it to speed it the fuck up, so he wasn't listening to the part where it told him to remember his symbols and incantations to get back before it sent him off to sate his growing impatience.

>>96275817
>>96275817
>If you're dismissing things being called "God" in settings by in-universe sources on the basis of them being retarded hicks who don't know what they're talking about, then this should similarly be disregarded.
...is this not an argument that the SA is not, in fact, God? And the entire basis for my goal being it's destruction is that those infinitesimal facets of it are actively malevolent at best and indifferently callous at worst, and that the entire basis for hypothesising it's benevolence is it's treatment of Carter despite his ultimate failure which I will KEEP reminding you is part of that selfsame changeless inevitability if taken at face value AND therefore a flaw.
>it's perfectly capable of granting wishes
>shifting people to any other facet of itself
Right so it does NOT demonstrate the ability to utterly destroy itself. Which by definition would contradict the other facts established for it by the story. Which means even if my Jumper tried asking it to politely go fuck itself, the most likely outcome would be it's failure to comply since otherwise there is no proof it can just do the equivalent of making a boulder too heavy for itself to move.
>but this means the SA is perfectly capable of granting wishes that involve becoming all those facets
But I don't want any of it's stupid, worthless, smelly facets. I want all the facets to be shattered beyond repair then incinerated to fuel what amounts to a big history terrafomring engine, and you haven't established it's demonstrated that capability in the story since that would contradict the premise of it being immutable.
>nothing has turly changed
And that's terrible
>more of the truth
The truth fucking sucks.

>>96275806
>I can think of one: The POV is part of Fear.
Everything is a part of Fear, so going by that logic, everything (including peopel calling it "God") is all its POV. Your original point is rendered null and void then because nothing would know it's own nature better than Fear.

>That sounds a lot like Verity just didn't want to be bothered with explaining the concept to someone he didn't see as deserving of the knowledge.
Think you meant Kian. And even if so, Kian spends an overwhelming amount of time explaining his plans and motives to people, and Verity is the one person he wouldn't be able to truly kill, so I don't think that's the case.

>They are not. I could draw some Venn diagrams if I wanted to, but basically Nyarlathotep overlaps with the Supreme Archetype while still being outside of it, just like how Yog-Sothoth is all of space-time despite being imprisoned outside it. Also the SA still encompasses A LOT of other Outer Gods. The goal is total Outer God death.
Except the SA also includes undimensioned beings outside of existence. Pretty explicitly too, given both the Ancient Ones and the various Gates.

>According to you, anything Carter does is irrelevant because the SA is timeless and unchangeable until it suddenly isn't and Carter has agency again for the specific point being made by the story.
It's not according to me. It's according 5o the narrative. Like, I'm not really certain how you can accept that Yog is all of space-time yet is imprisoned outside of it, but struggle to accept that change and time doesn't exist but Carter is still able to speak with the SA from the perspective of two things having a conversation.

>>96275806
>>96275853
>And that SUCKS, because the act of slurring his wish is immanent in the design of the SA if we take it seriously as a cosmological constant instead of a capeshit character that has immutable rules about how it works and how other things are just subsets of it until it suddenly doesn't.
Again, you sort of aren't making sense where you can accept one mutually contradictory claim ("Yog-Sothoth is apart from space and time yet encompasses all of it") yet can't take another at face-value. Carter being dumb isn't even on it - It doesn't even send him there at first and just shows him what he yearned to see, then it senses his rising desire to go there and his insatiable curiosity and gives him a VERY detailed breakdown of what he will experience and how to get back when he wants to that Carter fucking ignores out of impatience. You're judging it on the basis of "if it is everything and it is truly timeless and eternal, then it should have just STOPPED Carter from making his wish because it would have known beforehand that he would have fucked himself over". Which isn't how any halfway decent God equivalent in anything I've read has ever acted. Even if change doesn't exist, the SA still every much respects the notion of free will and its values, as it constantly tells Carter he can opt out at any time and that it's up to him if he wishes to continue.

You're basically asking for it to have pulled a Chuck and violated his own deicsion-making purely because it knew what was going to happen and because "it knows better" then it should have just stopped him from fucking himself due to his own stupidity.

>>96275853
>Everything is a part of Fear
I'm not. I own The Lie Is I from Floornight, the capstone boosted version of Pure Ego from KSBD, and the capstone boosted version of Window to the Wall from Medaka Box. I can dictate my own ontological status, and I declare I'm not Fear. I am, however, spiritually close to God. Therefore by imaginary venn diagram semiosis God is not Fear.
>the SA also includes undimensioned beings outside of existence
Well, clearly those are different and younger undimensioned beings from Nyarly and co. That bastard Ten Six is probably out there somewhere.

>how you can accept
Because that one's easier to understand as a human being having a whole body they can't just reach inside and randomly scoop chunks out of, desu. No I don't ascribe a no limits fallacy to the SA that completely invalidates the status ascribed to it.

>>96275880
>it should have
That's not my point at all. My point is that taken at face value, nobody's opinion in the story actually mattered because it was always going to happen that way. That the SA's structure, based on the evidence of the other Lovecraft stories, is inherently inimicable.

I'm NOT saying it SHOULD have done something to be morally correct, I'm saying it's structure meant that failure and all the other terrible events in other Lovecraft stories was more ontologically inevitable than gravity and THAT is why the SA should be bulldozed.

>>96275847
>.is this not an argument that the SA is not, in fact, God?
No, because the SA is never directlyv1:1 called God but it is notably the only thing Lovecraft ever attached the word omnipotent to and it is treated as the ultimate and highest authority, complete with lesser attendant entities in the Ancient One and what is basically its personal angel/highest servitor in Umr-at-Tawil to guide people onto enlightenment. It's like how Eru lluvatar is never outright point-blank said to be the Abrahamic God at any time but it's very, very, very blatant what he's actually meant to be.

>Right so it does NOT demonstrate the ability to utterly destroy itself.
It doesn't, but that's not from a lack of power but literal foundational metaphysics.

>Which by definition would contradict the other facts established for it by the story. Which means even if my Jumper tried asking it to politely go fuck itself, the most likely outcome would be it's failure to comply since otherwise there is no proof it can just do the equivalent of making a boulder too heavy for itself to move.
If you told it to go fuck itself then that's just a prelude to wanting to destroy it anyway. Ans it can sense and tell your true intent like it did with Carter, so it would just point out that your actual wish is to destroy it under the basis of thoughtcrime.

>>96275847
>But I don't want any of it's stupid, worthless, smelly facets. I want all the facets to be shattered beyond repair then incinerated to fuel what amounts to a big history terrafomring engine,
Then just do that. The only reason that it itself CANNOT grant your specific request is because of its immutability. You yourself have the means to rectify this. If you granted it the means to no longer be perfectly immutable - because you're Jumper and you have perks to do so - then gave it a knife and told it to finish the job, then it probably would. Simply because it would know this is the only thing that would grant your own enlightenment.

>And that's terrible
>The truth fucking sucks.
You cannot uneat the 50 cakes. But you can bake new, better cakes.

>>96275895
>I'm not.
I was obviously talking from an in-setting perspective.

>Well, clearly those are different and younger undimensioned beings from Nyarly and co. That bastard Ten Six is probably out there somewhere.
Age becomes relative when you are tlaking about beings of this scale.

>Because that one's easier to understand as a human being having a whole body they can't just reach inside and randomly scoop chunks out of, desu. No I don't ascribe a no limits fallacy to the SA that completely invalidates the status ascribed to it.
I mean, the SA is literally the same though? You're asking it why it can't do X when the answer is Y; it can't destroy itself because its perfectly immutable, which entails not ripping its own body to pieces. But not being able to do X does not mean Z (where Z is create circumstances under which the illusion of self and free will is naturally maintained) is impossible for it - it even shows as much when it initially speaks to Carter and it fucking obliterates his sense of self, which it puts back together then tones itself down so it doesn't do that again.

>>96275895
>That's not my point at all. My point is that taken at face value, nobody's opinion in the story actually mattered because it was always going to happen that way.
Shard, you're basically asking a 100 year old story to resolve one of the biggest moral conundrums of an omnipotent, omniscient creator God that not even actual IRL religion has done. In an imagination game where there are any number of settings where you can engage with beings described under similar designs or themes (Eru, Aslan, the actual Abrahamic God) and where this specific issue never comes up. All of those very explicitly have themes of being etenral/perfect/immutable and literally knowing everything, which should also equally nettle your autism because the story wouldn't matter since they already know how it's going to end. There is no situation where such an entity is extant and it doesn't bring up matters of determinism or inherent paradoxes.

>That the SA's structure, based on the evidence of the other Lovecraft stories, is inherently inimicable.
Which again, the only reason it can't fix that is because 1) nobody has made a wish to essentially replace the inimicable portions with basically humans piloting them (which you can easily solve) or 2) because nothing is capable of resolving the perfect immutability of it (which again, you can solve). The SA makes it very clear that it has no qualms granting enlightenment to /anything/ that can reach it and the fact a precursor abhuman civ managed to make the Sivler Key at all means that this is inherent. You have the means to solve the only things keeping reality in perpetual suffering from your perspective. That, or you can just resolve the immutability and kil lit anyway because you're a Jumper.

>>96275912
>the SA is never directly 1:1 called God but
Lots of things in fiction have that status attached to them without the association with Heaven, angels, and martyrdom associated with the Judeo-Christian conception of God. The Grace from Doctor Who had nothing to do with Jesus, and the White Queen from Blood-Sign at no point asks people to say their prayers before bedtime. I am arguing, based on the fact that Judeo-Christian doctrine does not include sufficient thematic associations with a space squid, that the SA is not God because it’s more divorced from the general concept than say-the One Above All or Eru, who has actual angel-analogues.

>literal foundational metaphysics
YES, THOSE are why it must be destroyed. The distinction is irrelevant, my point has always been it is structurally and ontologically inimitable to a multiverse without suffering.

>Then just do that
…
I am trying to destroy it, yes.
That is.
That is the whole point.

>If you granted it the means-
Why would I GRANT IT THE MEANS when at this point, I’m the one doing the actual work? Furthermore why would I give IT the satisfaction of enacting it’s roll as the ultimate reality when I despise that reality? Fuck this thing. Explicitly and arbitrarily overriding whatever passes for it’s will is as much a component of it’s destruction as the actual act of erasing it.

>I was obviously talking from an in-setting perspective
And I’m obviously bringing these examples up from an in-chain perspective.

>create circumstances under which the illusion of self and free will is naturally maintained
Yes, this is my interpretation of what is actually happening. And it’s irrelevant to the premise of destroying the SA for being an inherent inimitable existence to literally every other lifeform other than Randolph Carter. The illusion (taking it’s immutability at face value) seriously is meaningless. It’s structure is inherently abhorrent.

>>96275516
Oh, I understand in today's jumpchain. It just feels kinda weird when you remember that the Spark was originally intended as a Planeswalker's spark, and that everything you said still puts them above like, 80% of pre-Mending Planeswalkers. Given that one of the most powerful of them died from a (normal) stab wound and depression.

>>96275957
>Shard, you're basically asking a 100 year old story to resolve one of the biggest moral conundrums of an omnipotent, omniscient creator God that not even actual IRL religion has done.
The difference between the SA and actually Abrahamic supreme being-coded characters is that there is at least an implicit promise of eternal salvation in how those stories are written. The discourse around Eru in the Silmarillion is that he is both compassionate and in full control of at all times, exercising benevolent machinations to ensure positive outcomes. Whereas Aslan acts as a direct representative of the Emperor Over The Sea’s wishes. By contrast, there is NO such thematic coherence to support the SA apart from it’s personal approval of Randolph Carter. In-chain, I am not concerned with determinism or inherent paradoxes because my solution is MY OWN timeless unchangeable metastructure. I AM concerned with the fact that taking the other Lovecraft stories into account, the SA’s structure demonstrably creates more suffering than enlightenment.

>no qualms granting enlightenment
None of this is relevant to the fact that gaining enlightenment isn’t even directly stated to be capable of addressing the wider problems in the setting like the madness and horror of the Outer Gods at all. This is not a solution, Argent. The SA is not capable of moral agency if it’s taken at face value. It is simply the central mass component of the majority of the Outer Gods (who ARE explicitly malevolent via Nyarlathotep being their soul and messenger) and must therefore be removed to remove those gods.

>>96276021
>Lots of things in fiction have that status attached to them without the association with Heaven, angels, and martyrdom associated with the Judeo-Christian conception of God.
Whilst true, the examples you give don't fit the idea for other reasons. The Grace don't because they're not the actual highest things in the setting (that's the Glory) as well as being a multitude of individuals and the White Queen doesn't because it's theoretically possible to defy her and she isn't actually in possession of the traits that would justify anything comparable to God.

> I am arguing, based on the fact that Judeo-Christian doctrine does not include sufficient thematic associations with a space squid, that the SA is not God because it’s more divorced from the general concept than say-the One Above All or Eru, who has actual angel-analogues.
It does have angel analogues though. The Ancient Ones and Umr-at-Tawil are basically no different than the Valar.

>YES, THOSE are why it must be destroyed. The distinction is irrelevant, my point has always been it is structurally and ontologically inimitable to a multiverse without suffering.
Which can be resolved with perks. Whether you destroy it or let it 'fix' its own nature is up to you. I'm just pointing out that judging it for what is more or less actual thoughtcrime when you have the means to resolve the real problem with it - it's immutability preventing it from solving all suffering and inimical facets of itself - but refuse for personal reasons basically means that you're the only one really letting suffering persist here. Because you wouldn't have the room to validate and justify your beliefs it needs to be destroyed otherwise.

>Why would I GRANT IT THE MEANS when at this point, I’m the one doing the actual work?
Because you've done it before? For things actually much worse morally than it could ever be even?

>>96276021
>Furthermore why would I give IT the satisfaction of enacting it’s roll as the ultimate reality when I despise that reality? Fuck this thing. Explicitly and arbitrarily overriding whatever passes for it’s will is as much a component of it’s destruction as the actual act of erasing it.
Why would it feel satisfied at doing something like that? It would most likely just thank you and automatically go about granting your wish just ot make YOU satisfied. The SA is never shown to take satisfaction in its role in some smug self-superior way - it would be more concerned at how you feel than anything else.

>And I’m obviously bringing these examples up from an in-chain perspective.
I'm aware. But that doesn't have much bearing on whether Fear or the SA are basically God.

>Yes, this is my interpretation of what is actually happening. And it’s irrelevant to the premise of destroying the SA for being an inherent inimitable existence to literally every other lifeform other than Randolph Carter.
It rather explicitly states, through Umr-at-Tawil, that the races of Man have managed to commune with it and receive enlightenment before not just Carter. In fact, the very nature of how it says only mankind has ever consistently met with it and how an abhuman race were the ones who first forged the Silver Key kind of means that Lovecraft is a proto-HFY setting in actuality; no other race, even Outer Gods, are ever implied to have made it into an actual communion with the SA. Just Man.

>>96276070
>The difference between the SA and actually Abrahamic supreme being-coded characters is that there is at least an implicit promise of eternal salvation in how those stories are written.
Because those have Heaven analogues. The way the Supreme Archetype is described means that it's closer to a Platonic Wholeness or a Monad figure, which do not generally possess such things (though they have emissaries/emanating who might much like how Umr-at-Tawil guides beings into enlightenment). Like, the Ain Sof does not actually guide people into Heaven or anything and if you actually make contact with it then you basically dissolve back into a boundless pleroma - which would be no different than death to anyone not informed and that's an actual real world belief that informs how Abrahamic God works for many people and at least partly informs the SA.

The wya the SA works though means that by nature, people WILL eventually cycle into overcoming all hurdles and attaining enlightenment since change isn't real and everything just becomes a new thing regardless of circumstances. The real problem is that this takes too long over too long a timescale to get everyone in any non-infinite sequence of time, which again, your Jumper can solve.

>None of this is relevant to the fact that gaining enlightenment isn’t even directly stated to be capable of addressing the wider problems in the setting like the madness and horror of the Outer Gods at all.
Those things literally wouldn't exist. That's what you're not getting, Shard. We SEE Carter overwhelm and suppress the mind of the alien wizard he hijacked, thanks to the teachings of the SA. That's what would happen to all the Outer Gods if that was requested - if all of humanity was allowed to hijack their Outer God facets, then this would enable them to entirely ignore the madness and horrors because they'd be the ones calling all the shots now and not them.

>>96276081
>actual highest things
Technically the Glory is a place, not a guy, and not a “it’s a place that is the physical manifestation of the guy” like the Dark Tower. So it’s more like the Phoenix’s White Hot Room or a place-sized Dragon Ball than an Abrahamic-style supreme being.

>The Ancient Ones and Umr-at-Tawil
Strongly disagree. Angels have an implied or explicit descent from YHWH (“sons of heaven” sired the nephilim) while the Ancient Ones identify Carter as one of them implying they originated externally from the SA before obtaining their mystical status. The bent of their relationship with the SA is more akin to Buddhism than Christianity, if anything.

>Because you wouldn’t have the room to validate and justify your beliefs it needs to be justified destroyed otherwise
I’d still have Azathoth, Nyarly, the Darkness and the Nameless Mist. Asking this thing to “fix” it’s own nature is like asking some incarnation of war to “fix” every conflict in human history. It’s not just so anathema to the established premise you might as well do it yourself, it’s an abhorrent abnegation of moral authority by tacitly forgiving the countless acts of horror perpetuated by it’s mere existence. It’s like gently and kindly reasoning with an ecosystem to stop animals from eating people; it’s incapable of understanding to the extent any attempt to try with OOC is pointless compared to wholesale destruction.

You can’t bake a new, better cake without replacing the cake to the extent it’s a different cake from the one you had. The cake is formless. Rotten. It’s pieces all hate you for existing and everything it does is irrelevant to the cake’s cyclical and inevitable tendency towards universal horror. The cake is not your friend, and doesn’t deserve to be. It deserves to be thrown in the trash before a giant rabbit in a medical mask jumps out of it.

>>96276070
>>96276125
>The SA is not capable of moral agency if it’s taken at face value.
Neither are Eru or Alsan/The Emperor Beyond The Sea if taken at face value. You cannot have it both ways, Shard. Either all other 'true' Abrahamic supreme God analogues are actually emotionless algorithms with no true moral agency just spouting out seemingly benevolent lines like ChatGPT or none of them are.

>It is simply the central mass component of the majority of the Outer Gods (who ARE explicitly malevolent via Nyarlathotep being their soul and messenger)
How does that work if, by your own admission, Nyarlathotep in your chain has no actual relation to the SA and exists apart from it?

>>96275516
Since you're here and the jump was brought up, and apologies if this was already asked, but when you pick the Vessel origin, are you actually one of Shifty's vessels, or just a very very very very effective imitation? ...or do you get to chose which? Same with the Hero origin.

>>96276095
>Because you’ve done it before?
Everything similar I’ve done before is a necessary evil in pursuit of obtaining the power, knowledge and logistical support needed to destroy the SA. I don’t care if Rapture turns people into hungry shadows, the SA causes more suffering by EXISTING.

>people WILL
>change isn’t real
There’s no proof or suggestion that everyone obtaining enlightenment is the ultimate outcome of the SA, rather than an arbitrary minority like the AOs lucking out while everyone else is trapped in samsara loops of endless fucking up.

>We SEE Carter-
-overwhelm something on a much smaller scale than an Outer God.

>>96276134
>You cannot have it both ways
The way I’m having it is that 1. those stories EXPLICITLY assign their supreme beings both agency and benevolence, unlike the SA who is notionally an actual cosmic chatGPT and 2. that the algorithms established there are objectively superior at erasing suffering.

>How does that work
Again, like with Venn diagrams. Like a couple of amoebas smooshed into each other. Nyarlathotep is overlaps with the SA, but the SA is not the whole of Nyarlathotep.

>>96276133
>Strongly disagree. Angels have an implied or explicit descent from YHWH (“sons of heaven” sired the nephilim) while the Ancient Ones identify Carter as one of them implying they originated externally from the SA before obtaining their mystical status. The bent of their relationship with the SA is more akin to Buddhism than Christianity, if anything.
Everything is explicitly stated to be jsut a facet of the SA, Shard. Including Carter himself. The Ancient Ones saying that Carter is one of them if anything implies that they're explorers who made it as far as he did and came to understand they too are just parts of the SA and then took their seats as guides and aides to others on that personal quest. Which fits very well with many Abrahamic faiths which interpret everything as being "of God" (literally just aspects of him budded off from his boundless light, for example).

>I’d still have Azathoth, Nyarly, the Darkness and the Nameless Mist.
Which still has them outnumbered literally Infinity-to-4 (technically 3 because IIRC you permakilled Nyarly too). /Everyone/ being a super powerful Outer God-tier being means they'd get fucking jumped as hard as Sukuna did in JJK and fixing the SA's flaws means you can basically just manufacture new ones at will for everyone ever faster than Azathoth can spawn new ones.

>>96276133
>>96276179
>It’s not just so anathema to the established premise you might as well do it yourself, it’s an abhorrent abnegation of moral authority by tacitly forgiving the countless acts of horror perpetuated by it’s mere existence.
Shard, you're have doen this exact thing. Your Room build was pretty explicitly you letting an entity that had destroyed countless souls just leave under the basis of giving it an infinite artifical soul farm. You yourself admitted that you'd have offered to work with Hellraiser Leviathan if you knew it was as much of an Order-autist as you are before you jumped the setting, and I can say with 100% certainty that Leviathan has caused more intentional harm than the SA.

>It’s like gently and kindly reasoning with an ecosystem to stop animals from eating people; it’s incapable of understanding to the extent any attempt to try with OOC is pointless compared to wholesale destruction.
The SA is fully capable of understanding context, nuance, and reasoning. It is not mindless or an automatic process Shard - it would not be able to abide by and respect free will and the capacity of choice otherwise.


>>96276141
Leaning towards you choosing which in both cases. You get to determine whether or not your existence in that state is contingent on them or not.

>>96276179
>Everything is explicitly stated to be jsut a facet of the SA, Shard. Including Carter himself
Which is another example of how the Lovecraftian cosmos differs from Judeo-Christian theology. Instead of jumping through cope hoopes about worlds of creation or the divine being omnipresent everything being, no-bullshit, a facet of the SA further differentiates it from the idea of a divine creator. For one thing, from a certain point of view the SA never created anything at all. It just is. And the established relationship being tied to enlightenment and discovery instead of some moral code of conduct further differentiates it from a metaphysical framework where moral agency is the key to ascension.

>manufacture new ones
>manufacture new Outer Gods
One, I wouldn’t be manufacturing them in this scenario, I’d be finding the right facets of the “fixed” SA.
Two, no.
Never.
Not in a trillion kalpa.

>>96276194
>Room
Yes, so that I can eventually redirect OUTER GOD souls to it, and have it choke to death on those archetypes it can’t digest. It was under terms of employment, not benevolence. It’s like a horrible giant leech being used for a temporary medical procedure.

>Leviathan
I treated Hellraiser Leviathan as what I gathered from the films/shows because that’s what I’m most familiar with and because, be honest, it’s depiction in the comics is so at odds with it’s eventual depiction in the show it might as well be a different character you can’t reconcile.

>fully capable of understanding
Is it? Or is it sufficiently automated at some higher structural level that consciousness is a mere subset of? You can’t have it both ways either. The SA working as defined means that it is automative to the point it may as well be mindless because whatever illusion of consciousness it manifests is part of a higher order changelessness.

>>96276162
>Everything similar I’ve done before is a necessary evil in pursuit of obtaining the power, knowledge and logistical support needed to destroy the SA.
That just sounds like you're justifying your atrocities to yourself or justifying causing more suffering in the short-term because the long-term is going to be a communist's wet dream. Which, is cool and all. But it doesn't help any of the people who have already suffered at the hands of those monsters you're allowing to roam free for your goals.

>There’s no proof or suggestion that everyone obtaining enlightenment is the ultimate outcome of the SA,
It's heavily implied because everything and everyone is a part of an Archetype and this includes you, your entire family line (down to great-grandparents and children), alien beings from other galaxies, beings from other dimensions, literal gods, etc. And it only takes one facet of said Archetype that is you to meet with the SA, merge with all their other facets, then make a wish to remain like that/overwhelm the Outer God facets of themselves. This isn't a "every individual person needs to make it to the SA on their own", this is a "if even one person makes it to the SA, they have secured enlightenment for their whole Archetypal self which includes their families past, present, and future and friends and even beings they have never known and can't even comprehend".

>-overwhelm something on a much smaller scale than an Outer God.
Yes, because he never wished to overwhelm an Outer God. And technically, Carter at that point was at least partially merged with and aware of every other facet of his Archetype which would be bigger than even the chonkiest Outer God. He could have easily overwhelmed one if he wished to fully merge his Archetypal self. He just didn't because he's an impatient dumbass.

>>96276162
>>96276215
>The way I’m having it is that 1. those stories EXPLICITLY assign their supreme beings both agency and benevolence, unlike the SA who is notionally an actual cosmic chatGPT
The SA is also benevolent just by its actions and statements alone and there nothing suggesting it is a cosmic chatGPT.

>2. that the algorithms established there are objectively superior at erasing suffering.
Aslan literally can't even get rid of the cosmic entity embodying all evil in existence that is his direct equal and he doesn't do anything to stop worlds that get killed via Deplorable Word shenanigans. That's the entire reason Jadis is a fucking problem. And Eru LET Melkor ruin Arda-That-Was because evil and suffering was necessary to allow the song to flourish and to remove it would entail completely destroying what had already been created. He could have stopped both Melkor and Suaron at any time and let them defile and ruin his creations purely because it was part of the plan.

If we are judging objective suffering, then BOTH are worse than the SA because they had the power and supposed benevolence to stop mass suffering on a cosmic scale and just didn't because their plans needed them to work in mysterious ways.

>>96276212
Hey so if we pay 300 MD as a Taken in Destiny The Darkness could we be a planet (or at least a dark matter intellect quickly entangled with some other planet we have lying around) or is a hypothetical base Nine too strong compared to the Ahamkara and Worm options?

Y'all really have nothing better to do on a Friday?

>>96276212
>Which is another example of how the Lovecraftian cosmos differs from Judeo-Christian theology. Instead of jumping through cope hoopes about worlds of creation or the divine being omnipresent everything being, no-bullshit, a facet of the SA further differentiates it from the idea of a divine creator. For one thing, from a certain point of view the SA never created anything at all. It just is.
That actually doesn't differentiate them as much as you think - many beliefs systems posit that the ultimate underlying reality/God was neither created nor came into being, but always has been. Brahamna, the Ein Sof, the Monad, etc. All of them share in this. It is the lesser aspects of themselves that act as creators, but even those just share in and partake in the boundless uncreated foundational nature of them.

>And the established relationship being tied to enlightenment and discovery instead of some moral code of conduct further differentiates it from a metaphysical framework where moral agency is the key to ascension.
There are many theological circles and schools of thought who argue to-and-fro on the matters of "moral agency" and there are jsut as many that outright state it's not a matter of simple morality, but offering yourself up to God and genuinely, wholeheartedly asking for forgiveness. Even the most awful mass genocidal murderer can be forgiven and ushered into salvation if they truly repent and strive for forgiveness for their crimes. Which probably does not align with the forward-moving moral agency you're thinking of.

>>96276215
>a communist’s wet dream
Again, you’re deliberately ignoring the fact that they are not free. They are bound by logic, contract or other systems. And allowing the SA to fix itself, assuming it’s even inherently capable of agency without being given a metaphysical handhold, is ultimately vindicating the suffering of the literally infinitely infinite beings making up it’s existence. Destroying the damn thing IS helping everyone involved, because the scope of my plans is intended to be as retroactive and all-encompassing as the SA and it’s kin themselves instead of just waving a wand and wishing for everything to be okay even though at a higher topological level it’s debatable if things have changed for the better at all.

>It’s heavily implied
WELL, if we’re working on implications by the same token the fact that the OGs are barred from accessing the threshold implies there is also a real risk that a GOO or OG could gain control of the entire Archetype by some means. Unless you can come up with a compelling reason for why they implicitly couldn’t anymore than humans have a tendency for being impatient dumbasses.

>The SA is also benevolent
As I’ve said repeatedly now, the SA being a mortal actor contradicts it’s baseline assumptions

>Aslan literally can’t even get rid of the cosmic entity embodying all evil in existence
All Tash did in The Last Battle was reap the souls of sinners and run away from Peter
>Eru LET Melkor
Dagor Dagorath was never canonised so canonically Melkor’s dumb ass gets dumped out into the void forever.

>then BOTH are worse than the SAY
No. The SA is worse on pure numbers, both in populations of mortal beings and malevolent gods. The SA is an infinite set of archetypes across an arbitrary number of dimensions, space-time coordinates, and so on, in the scope of a setting on par with the deterministic universe and with some explicit weird dream/hyperdimension shit.

Eru didn’t make like a trillion Morgoths.

>>96276212
>Is it? Or is it sufficiently automated at some higher structural level that consciousness is a mere subset of? You can’t have it both ways either. The SA working as defined means that it is automative to the point it may as well be mindless because whatever illusion of consciousness it manifests is part of a higher order changelessness.
By this same token, neither can Aslan or any of the other Abrahamic coded Gods you mentioned (or indeed, the 'real' one if it exists) be argued to be possessed of consciousness because consciousness is held by finite imperfect beings capable of alteration and change who haven't always existed - despite paradoxically always have due to being small portions of the creator's light filtered down. They merely emulate and present consciousness rather than truly holding it as anything than a subset of their being. Perfection, eternalism, and being immutable absolutes naturally preclude concepts that apply to things in reality.

>>96276260
Nope. Though I do have to go make food so might have to cut this short either way.

>>96276260
No. I hate my country and I hate the most popular interests of everyone in it. I do not want to go shopping, I do not want to go to some asian popstar’s concert, book-reading/exercising/vidya-playing time was earlier/is later, and I can’t make a build for the new Orks jump until I’m in the mood again after finishing my argument with Argent over the Lovecraft setting equivalent of someone arguing his Naruto/Bleach OC can and should beat up Kaguya/the Soul King.

>>96276252
>is a hypothetical base Nine too strong compared to the Ahamkara and Worm options
Oh. Um. Yeah no, I’m going to say a base Nine is in fact too strong for that. Their bodies form black holes merely upon death, and (at least by their claim) being automatically achronal is supposed to be a big deal for manipulating paracausal beings (or so they claim). The Conductor killed one because the developers really want you to believe she’s super strong and it was part of III’s plan, and to be fair she literally has a chunk of the Witness as her powerup.

Even the Perfect Raven only cut apart a moon with her talons. Assuming that part of the Books of Sorrow reliable and not a lie/exaggeration/omission like the Ecumene and Qugu being Darkness-using races.

>>96276267
>Again, you’re deliberately ignoring the fact that they are not free. They are bound by logic, contract or other systems. And allowing the SA to fix itself, assuming it’s even inherently capable of agency without being given a metaphysical handhold, is ultimately vindicating the suffering of the literally infinitely infinite beings making up it’s existence.
Which isn't really saying much, because every one of the beings you keep by your side bar Elodie and your Benefactor are bound under said contracts and systems. And many of them are still pretty blatantly evil and have in fact ruined infinite lives like you claim the SA has, except knowingly and with full intent to keep doing it but just pointed at the shit you hate nowadays (which often still include plenty of innocents).

>WELL, if we’re working on implications by the same token the fact that the OGs are barred from accessing the threshold implies there is also a real risk that a GOO or OG could gain control of the entire Archetype by some means. Unless you can come up with a compelling reason for why they implicitly couldn’t anymore than humans have a tendency for being impatient dumbasses.
Easy - we have literally per word of Umr-at-Tawil/the SA itself that only the "races of Man" have every attained enlightenment from it, direct showing of the Ancient Ones who serve under it being ALSO wholly benign despite having been people like Carter once and zero indications any of those were ever overtaken by an OG thought-parasite. Meaning that humans who commune with the SA just become literal winners over all existence, including the OGs and GOOs.

>As I’ve said repeatedly now, the SA being a mortal actor contradicts it’s baseline assumptions
And as I've said repeatedly, if we apply the same logic to other supreme Gods, then it contradicts their baseline assumptions.

>>96276279
>Perfection, eternalism, and being immutable absolutes naturally preclude concepts that apply to things in reality.
These can be overridden if THE NARRATIVE explicitly specifies a divine will. That is the issue at hand here. The SA is previously established to be immutable an unchanging. Carter never tries to reconcile the contradiction between that and it’s apparent intervention. Where this isn’t elaborated, I don’t take this to be the same kind of acknowledge contradiction as Eru allowing Melkor to continuously fukcup. Eternalism as presented in Through the Gates of the Silver Key is presented as more of a defining facet of existence than it is in Narnia, where Aslan sang everything into being and there’s a new world when Narnia is destroyed under it’s initial layer, like a big onion.

>>96276300
>And many of them are still pretty blatantly evil
The solution is to redirect them into destroying over fonts of suffering. There is no entity in fiction great enough to justify the SA’s continued existence because of the sheer spread of Outer Gods across fiction.

>humans who commune with the SAS just become literal winners
Well if they’re literal winners, why do are the gods even barred from that place? Can you really disprove the existence of another mechanism for a GOO/OG to gain such control with that precedent, if we’re just going by “implications” that everything being one with the SA is an automatic pass to universal salvation over an arbitrary length of time, despite one of the poems explicitly stating the earth will be destroyed by Nyarlathotep at some future date?

>>96276267
>>96276300
>All Tash did in The Last Battle was reap the souls of sinners and run away from Peter
Yes, and Aslan still directly attributes all evil ever done knowingly or not to him.

>Dagor Dagorath was never canonised so canonically Melkor’s dumb ass gets dumped out into the void forever.
He still ruined all of creation before that.

>No. The SA is worse on pure numbers, both in populations of mortal beings and malevolent gods. The SA is an infinite set of archetypes across an arbitrary number of dimensions, space-time coordinates, and so on, in the scope of a setting on par with the deterministic universe and with some explicit weird dream/hyperdimension shit.
Just basing it off the Ancient Ones Carter encounters and assuming each one is the perfect encapsulation of their respective Archetype, then each of those would in turn represent an infinite-infinite set of beings who were saved via enlightenment. Which is a greater score of beings via sheer population total than the number of beings saved by either Eru (who will suffer until he eventually remakes the world, which still hasn't happened even by the time of our 21st century which is meant to be the canonical progression of Middle Earth) or Aslan.

>Eru didn’t make like a trillion Morgoths.
Nor did he save a trillion Ardas, which is what SA-granted enlightenment functions as.

>>96276308
>Aslan still directly attributes al evil ever done knowingly or not to him
Given how quickly Peter made him go running, I would argue controlled opposition is preferable to Cthulhu having no real restrictions other than no automatic I Win enlightenment welcoming committee.

>He still ruined all of creation
And Eru demonstrated during the Ainulinde that all his ruin is doomed to be rewoven into greater harmony, and that was when Melkor was at the height of his power and prowess instead of the shrivelled ogre thing he ended up as.

>Just basing it off the Ancient Ones Carter encounters and assuming each one is the perfect encapsulation of their respective Archetype
Two can play at this game. Just basing it off all the GOOs and OGs depicted in Lovecraft’s works alone, nevermind those contributed by other authors, each one of those represents a separate cardinality of infinite sets of beings who remain tormented by madness or serving in amoral cruelty at the behest of indifferently cruel gods. The scales are NOT in the SA’s favour there. You’re also assuming the Ancient Ones’ salvation will happen sooner than Eru’s harmony when the same 21st century argument applies even more strongly since there’s no indication Lovecraft’s humanity lived even through a benign past as opposed to one defined by forbidden cults and blasphemous sacrifice. Also black people are beastfolk.

>Nor did he save a trillion Ardas
Nor did he damn literally LITERALLY infinite Ardas.

>>96276305
>These can be overridden if THE NARRATIVE explicitly specifies a divine will.
I mean, it kinda does? The narration in Through the Gates of the Silver Key directly acknowledges that the SA has a will. It's not its fault that Carter never reconciled the contradiction between change being a spook and it intervening to help people.

>There is no entity in fiction great enough to justify the SA’s continued existence because of the sheer spread of Outer Gods across fiction.
I mean, there are plenty of entities in fiction I can easily argue being greater than the Outer Gods as whole. The SA itself is one for example, from their own setting. And I can argue that there are things beyond the SA itself too - you mentioned Dark Tower earlier, and Dis would absolutely qualify even though we lack a jump. A broad sweeping "no entity in fcition" claim doesn't work because you can always specify a bigger fish.

>Well if they’re literal winners, why do are the gods even barred from that place?
Why wouldn't they be? You yourself have stated that Outer Gods are intrinsically malign and the only other gods who could even be placed in the running are the Gods of Earth, who seem incapable of leaving the Dreamlands. The SA favors the races of Man so they're the ones who get enlightenment. Nothing to it.

>despite one of the poems explicitly stating the earth will be destroyed by Nyarlathotep at some future date?
The Earth being destroyed doesn't necessarily matter because it's not only far into the future, but so long as anybone person makes it to the SA then they can guarantee everyone who is a part of their Archetype is saved forevermore whether by existing just as their giga-Archetype self or going full Ancient One to help others ascend.

That, and Lovecraft himself posits multiple futures for Earth and humanity. It's not set in stone that Nyarly destroying us is the only one or even the one that happens for all Earths.

>>96276343
>In mean, it kinda does?
I don’t feel it does to as satisfactorily a level of reconciling that statement with the same level of benevolence and inevitability ascribed to Eru in the Silmarillion and LOTR; you have him explicitly intervening against Gollum for example, as a tacit concession to otherwise being hands-off to his own creation after smiting Sauron. Whereas in TtGotSK it’s just “here’s the unchanging all-set, it’s looking at you and doing stuff, at least that’s what I Randolph Carter can see”

>Dis
If the beings of the Prim are representative of Dis, then Dis is a little bitch by whatever metric we are measuring immeasurable beings of boundless chaos by. I don’t care if the opposition had the power of God and a turtle on your side, you are an embarrassment of a Beam-breaking cosmic demon if you get defeated in part because of several children having an orgy to escape your lair.

>Why wouldn’t they be?
The formation of the barrier rather than the SA doing nothing about it acknowledges the tacit possibility that it could happen.

>The Earth being destroyed doesn’t necessarily matter
I feel that’s making a lot of assumptions about the full capabilities of the UAs’ and presumably other Archetype-ascended entities’ capabilities, as well as the assumption Nyarlathotep’s destruction would be limited to one planet when it explicitly went off script to start beating up the gods of Earth despite them nominally being under it and the other Outer Gods’ patronage.

>multiple futures for Earth
Right, most of which don’t mention universal ascendancy and enlightenment.

>>96276316
>Given how quickly Peter made him go running, I would argue controlled opposition is preferable to Cthulhu having no real restrictions other than no automatic I Win enlightenment welcoming committee.
I don't think it's ever implied to be controlled opposition. They're two equals, with those who do good in any form going to Aslan and those who do any evil, even done in Aslan's name, going to Tash. They simply fulfill their cosmic functions.

>And Eru demonstrated during the Ainulinde that all his ruin is doomed to be rewoven into greater harmony, and that was when Melkor was at the height of his power and prowess instead of the shrivelled ogre thing he ended up as.
And people still need to suffer all of the bullshit to get there, including Sauron running a rape-train on the world across multiple Ages and getting a whole nation sunk before finally being defeated. That is fucked.

>Just basing it off all the GOOs and OGs depicted in Lovecraft’s works alone, nevermind those contributed by other authors, each one of those represents a separate cardinality of infinite sets of beings who remain tormented by madness or serving in amoral cruelty at the behest of indifferently cruel gods.
And even those could end up saved so long as a facet of themselves that ISN'T suffering ascends and makes the right wish. You're assuming that their suffering will be indefinite, but it literally only takes one person who is a part of a given Archetype becoming enlightened to resolve this.

>Also black people are beastfolk.
It was a different time, Shard. You know this.

>Nor did he damn literally LITERALLY infinite Ardas.
Neither did he save literally infinite Ardas. This will keep going forever if we do this, so best to call it.

>>96276368
>I don’t think it’s ever implied to be controlled opposition
I mean, the fact that Tash ran from Peter while Jadis showing up didn’t make Aslan turn tail and give up speaks volumes to me.

>And people still need to suffer
This in no way diminishes the literally infinite suffering inferred from all the examples of temporal suffering in Lovecraft’s wider writing, and the Archetype structure

>You’re assuming that their suffering will be indefinite
By definition it technically is due to the changelessness of the SA. And due to the fact no Lovecraft story has actualised that one lucky person having both the enlightenment and wisdom as well as the kindness to Madoka the setting, I somehow don’t think the implications are strong enough for it to be a sure bet.

>It was a different time, Shard
Of course, but that doesn’t change the fact that if we’re measuring the settings’ OBJECTIVE level of suffering that doesn’t mean some poor animals didn’t suddenly have the burden of being forced into canonically subhuman ways of living and acting without the innocence of being a wild animal imposed on them by some thrifty gods

>This will keep going forever
We have the precedent of the Ainulinde and the statement of humanity’s future lying beyond Arda to gauge the presence of a benign intentionality. We have nothing but vibes and promises from beings that either CANNOT or WILL NOT intervene on behalf of all the humans constantly suffering in Lovecraft’s stories that your alleged total human victory will transpire sooner than Eru’s plan. Not to mention Eru does take care of the elves too after a fashion-they’re permitted to sale to Valinor. Even orcs settle down after a while thanks to Tolkien’s Catholic upbringing making him feel guilty for writing a race tortured into evil.

>>96276366
>I don’t feel it does to as satisfactorily a level of reconciling that statement with the same level of benevolence and inevitability ascribed to Eru in the Silmarillion and LOTR; you have him explicitly intervening against Gollum for example, as a tacit concession to otherwise being hands-off to his own creation after smiting Sauron.
Eru only did that when they'd have literally have lost otherwise. If your creations can only win against the evil that you alloeed to floruish because of deus ex machina, then you fucked up when creating everything.

>If the beings of the Prim are representative of Dis
They aren't. Dis is a peer to Gan, nothing from Prim is. Not even Maerlyn, and he almost destroyed the Tower with the Laughing Mirror and critically wounded all realities with its shards.

>The formation of the barrier rather than the SA doing nothing about it acknowledges the tacit possibility that it could happen.
I mean, maybe? It could also just be a blanket "nobody but humans allowed here" sign. The SA probably doesn't even have to do anything because most Outer Gods are mindless anyway and the ones that aren't wouldn't care/wouldn't know how to attain enlightenment.

>I feel that’s making a lot of assumptions about the full capabilities of the UAs’ and presumably other Archetype-ascended entities’ capabilities,
If something is an Archetype, then it's beyond the OGs completely. Even Abhoth directly acknowledges the Archetypes in a way that essentially comes across like its saying "God works in mysterious ways" and implicitly suggests they are as understandable to it as it is to humanity.

>Right, most of which don’t mention universal ascendancy and enlightenment.
Whilst true, the Earth still exists in those futures and life still flourishes or grows.

>>96276385
I think ultimately we aren't going to settle this in any realistic manner beyond just saying agree to disagree, Shard. We both have very different interpretations of the work and that's not going to change anytime soon. I will address this though:

>We have nothing but vibes and promises from beings that either CANNOT or WILL NOT intervene on behalf of all the humans constantly suffering in Lovecraft’s stories that your alleged total human victory will transpire sooner than Eru’s plan.
They act when someone has the Silver Key and is on the path to enlightenment. We do not see them acting en masse because not everyone has the means to enlightenment, unlike LOTR where salvation is a lot easier to come by. But this doesn't change the fact that both settings have eventual salvation written into them by design - even one person with the Silver Key who successfully ascends guarantees eternal salvation for an infinite assortment of others.

>>96276393
>If your creations can only win against the evil that you alloeed to floruish because of deus ex machina, then you fucked up when creating everything.
…wait, you’re implying that what the SA offered Randolph Carter ISN’T a deus ex machina?

>Dis is a peer to Gan
Right, but we have no other way to measure a clash between Dis and Gan because they never fight directly except for Gan raising the tower if that counts. Also Gan having a wife in Bessa if that counts as a feat. It probably should with how often the power of love gets brought up, desu.

>most Outer Gods are mindless anyway
I can think of one very notable exception who is explicitly smarter than the average human, and “maybe” is about as certain as we can get for a theoretical total human enlightenment outcome which gives it equal weight in my reading.

>It’s beyond the OGs completely
This is assuming they can’t be hijacked by the OGs/GOOs in some way, as implied by the presence of the barrier. If OGs can’t even affect Archetypes, why even bother with a barrier?

>life still flourishes or grows
Not necessarily a good thing depending on the FORM of it flourishing, like that one guy in Dagon waking up just in time for the giant fishmen to reclaim the Earth (maybe)

>>96276401
>I think ultimately we aren't going to settle this in any realistic manner beyond just saying agree to disagree, Shard. We both have very different interpretations of the work and that's not going to change anytime soon.
I agree. That is why I am still unmoved about shooting Marvel as what amounts to a giant kamehameha using DC as the gun at the big dumb farting all-set until it explodes.

>We do not see them acting en masse because not everyone has the means to enlightenment
And on that note I’d like to point out that’s another difference between them and angels, who are generally implied to be vested in improving the lot of mortal beings instead of just waiting for some arbitrary condition to be met (I am humouring the illusion of sentience since the AOs are operating on a different scope of existence from the SA)

ayyyyyyyyyyy, you admitted salvation is harder to come by in the Lovecraft cosmos while Eru has free spiritual health insurance for everyone who doesn’t go out of their way to make the absolute worst possible decisions!