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Swords Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
How much removal do you run?

UB CHADS STAY WINNING

>TQ
I try to run as much on-theme removal as I can fit (Grave hate, exile/destroy, etc) but also consider stuff like Discard and Counters to be removal as a slight stretch. The more on-theme the removal is, the more I like it to an extent, such as Auron in my Tidus deck, the repeating removal and ever-growing beater with vigilance is awesome.

Early thread, last one was only at 512

>>96306830
So glad you fags enjoyed the slop lol

>>96306845
>Le slop
Yes we know Mr. Filet mignon card player

Now that the dust has settled was she really that bad?

>>96306887
i mean she failed just like gix in the end, so yes, she was also bad

>>96306832
This?

Early reveals were pretty boring cards so far hopefully they get better i got a lot of store credit

>>96306795 (OP)
>How much removal do you run?
Very deck dependent, but for the average mid range battle cruiser sloppa, I'll slot 12. My control decks have double that. In combo It remains 12, but some of those slots go to protection rather than straight up removal pieces.

I want to mill my enemies, Neerdiv, Mothman or Ancient One?

>>96306920
Phenax

>>96306795 (OP)
I like to run around 20 interaction spells, a mix of removal (mostly single target) and protection. Ratio varies depending on whether im the immediate or eventual threat

>search Suture Priest on tcgplayer
>did you mean Rest in Peace (Future Sight border)
this isn't funny, I'm not laughing.

>>96306926
Been done, boring.
>>96306920
Ancient One, commander damage is the best alternate wincon for Mill

>>96306795 (OP)
The rare great modern flavour text
I think all cards should have flavour text

>>96306795 (OP)
In my Teneb deck I run 20 removal spells. Mixture of board wipes, instants, creatures and enchantments.

>>96306873
At least UB critics aren't literally paying to be advertized to lmaooooo

>>96306951
Nigga it's mill, YOURE boring

>>96306795 (OP)
>TQ
really depends on the deck but i would say i average around 15ish pieces of removal per deck

>>96306984
>NOOOO STOP PARTICIPATING IN THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM OF SOCIETY
No.

What website do you use to buy singles? I am sorta tired of waiting for 15+ packages from TCGplayer.

>>96307121
cardkingdom is best because some hick running "bryan's card shop" in alabama won't try to gyp you on cards by "accidentally" forgetting to include them in your order

>>96307121
Have you tried your lgs?

>>96307143
I would go to my LGS, there are a few within an hour drive, but all 4 of them have a horrible single selection. Two of them don't even have bulk.

>>96307134
Yes, but I can also save $10 on just a single buying from TCG player. Granted, I have not had some hick try and gyp me yet in my years of buying.

>>96306988
Nigger, I'm not the one asking for mill commander recs, I'm advising one with the best optional win.

>>96307134
Second this. Yeah it's expensive, but they come fast, and are what they say. They are very strict about grading too. I get EX or VG and they look unplayed most of the time.

>>96307102
Lmao the cope

>>96307210
I love how the thoroughly inhuman insect just wants to imitate noble women with HUGE knockers. Would fuck bug on that alone.

>>96306984
>paying to be advertised to
>mechanically unique cards in a competitive card game
>"advertisement" for products long since their prime and having already had huge audiences
>directed at the people who already liked those things so how are you being given an ad for a game/show you already own/watched?
You mouthbreathers are so focused on being mad you don't even think

>>96306896
Yeah, I really love the way he plays out. Exiled until he leaves also means you can snatch shit from people to make others not WANT to remove him, or even protect him so they don't get that stuff back.

>>96306979
Fresh meat

>>96307102
Anon do you think paying to be advertised to is a necessary aspect of the economy?

>>96307269
>paying to be advertised to
this is literally implying that anything you buy is paying to be advertised to lmao

>>96307247
Crossovers are 100% intended to bring in new fans to both sides. They dont happen just because. A thinks it will bring in Bs fans and convert some to long time players and B is also hoping some of As fans will check out their product as well. Actually retarded holy fuck
>mechanically unique
Doesn't preclude them from also being advertisements
>old IPs
Avatar currently has a show, a movie coming out soon, another show slated to come out in a couple years. FF is always releasing gaming, fallout too. Doctor who is a timeless Fandom. TWD was still huge when that came out.

>>96307278
No it isnt, not even remotely. Maybe your retarded zoomie friends have brains too fried to think about what you say but they do in fact have to make sense.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96307134
Never had this problem

>>96307165
Well being a redneck in the boonies does have it's downsides I guess.

>>96307306
The IPs having new releases don't stop them from being old and irrelevant. They're aiming for no children millenial disposable income, simple as.

>>96307224
>>96307269
It's ok to be a consumer

>>96307224
I'm not following the conversation but Final Fantasy memba berries fits better than whacky racers, space case, whatever the fuck a gate watch is, cowthings and stranger things as the House of Doors.

>>96307247
Old IPs are used because a lot of them are timeless classic shit that people have liked and have had a fanbase and content made for 2 to 6 decades.
If they did "hot zoomer IP" it would be irrelevant before release with how fast zoomer trends change.

>>96307358
>They're aiming for no children millenial disposable income, simple as.
Then when the fuck do I start getting catered to? I'm ready and waiting. Cater to me.

>>96307247
>"advertisement" for products long since their prime
Final Fantasy has a top 10 biggest MMO in the world, all the games are available on Steam and were on sale during the time the set released
Spider-Man has a movie in production
AtLA has launched a bunch of things for its 20th anniversary, including a line of plushies, a concert tour, and it has a movie and a new tv show upcoming.
>and having already had huge audiences
Lmao are you pretending to be retarded on purpose? By your own logic, Magic already was the biggest card game in the whole world, why would they bring in other IPs to appeal to new audiences??????

Get diagnosed as retarded, I'm so confident you'll get certified and then you can spend all your neetbux on UB slop

>>96307385
So.... it's a good thing then because it isn't an ad? Who needs an ad for Final Fantasy 5 when the core demographic of MTG played it when it came out

I'll never unsee UB as unskippable ads

Okay guys, time for the next to last round of cleaning up this list before I swap from proxies to actually putting cards I own in. Already did a full proxy list, then had friends look over it. Then ran it through land optimization. Then a buddy fucked around with chatgpt to catch weird shit. Now I need yall to point out what needs to go, and what needs to change.
>https://archidekt.com/decks/15208545

>tfw no crossover with relevant franchises like skibidi toilet
no cap that shit ain't bussin

>>96307395
>were on sale during the time the set released
oh you mean the summer sale? god knows that's a hard sale to predict

>sit down at table
>guy across from me is wearing a DBZ shirt
fucking sick of these unskippable walking ads.

>>96307414
They could've released it in any order anon. It was definitely timed intentionally do you think companies just throw darts at a board to figure things out?

>>96306920
Umbris because it exiles and becomes a static huge creature so you never have to worry about someone getting value off stuff you mill.

>>96307408
>he's a proxychad

>>96307414
>"it's an old IP why would they need to advetise!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
>they have an ongoing MMO that's very popular, and they put the whole series on sale
>"[conveniently ignores the MMO] heh! must be so hard to sell things during the Steam Summer Sale!!!!"
Get diagnosed. I'm not joking. I would estimate your IQ to be around 85, that should be enough to qualify for disability.

I don't think you even realize you selectively replied and moved the goal posts.
I don't think you have a capacity to understand that companies are always marketing themselves.
I don't think you realize UB is an ad campaign where they're getting paid for the ads theyre selling.

>mr executive sir, this company has found a way to trick consumers into BUYING ads rather than us having to pay to advertize
>shame on you mr middle manager man, don't you think our product's audience is already big enough? What use would we have for an ad campaign that consumers will literally pay us money for?
Is that how you think it works?

>Lessons
>Ally tribal
>Experience counters
>No commander decks
Wake me up when we get to Lorwyn

Daxos the Returned + Minthara gamers... How are we feeling?

>>96307418
Do you...do you think clothing companies put their brand logo prominently on the clothes they make just for funsies? They do it so you're a walking billboard for their brand.

>>96307495
everything is an advertisement bros

>>96307504
Companies are literally always marketing, yes.
Is it literally your first day on Earth? Do you think every brand has a Twitter account just to give the interns something to do?

>>96307476
I actually built this deck like a month ago... I like it a lot but it's just so goddamned slow it's almost unplayable. I'm running Heartstone even

>>96307210
sexo

Who could be an actual WUB blink commander?

>>96307552
Uhh nigga

>>96307562
The funniest thing is I've seen multiple tables just walk away the second she ults which is pretty easy

Print it you cowards

>>96307570
do you do something like slow blink your board before ulting? I don't completely understand the purpose outside of annoying everyone.

>>96307562
>>96307570
>AHHHHH MY FATE…IT HAS BEEN SHIFTED!!!!!

>>96307393
What do you want faggot? What I really meant is that they're catering to DINK quirk chungus couples.

>>96307613
You can blink whatever for value as well as use her as a value engine. No one reads planeswalkers at tables so people just let her go off and would rather scoop than just get up and move chairs

>>96307552
Ri Berit you dingus.

>>96307613
bro, your yorion?

>>96306978
Post list, he's one of the last of this cycle I cant seem to build a satisfying deck for

>>96307631
I like blink commanders that enable blink but that's a nice payoff instead

>>96307579
YOU print it.

>>96307631
Lmao this was my first edh deck I made back during innistrad. Had it since then, turned it into Aminatou a year or so ago to keep up with modern edh.

Blink you say?

>>96307656
I've played him W/U, W/B, mW, only W/G and W/R are left and Weapons Manufacturing would make him go pewpew

>Game one, player playing a reanimator deck reanimates a turn 2 Toxrill, then on turn 3 reanimates some demon that forces a player to sac, discard and lose life on etb and attack
>Game 2
>With my jank ass bernard deck get out a teleportation circle and the Mightstone and the Weakstone
>Guy throws his hands up and scoops after I remove his commander and a dork
>I'm not playing against decks where I can't even play the game
Rules for thee not fore me I guess.

Decklist
>commander: pic rel
>49 swamps
>49 mountains
>Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Thoughts?

>>96307641
Yeah I need to update it on Archidekt. I'll let you know. I'll get to it after I mow the lawn and crack a gold one. You understand, right anon?

Speaking of the deck, I feel this guy is the weakest one in it. Is there any other creature that does the same better or cheaper? I want a creature that can get stuff out of the graveyard. His activated ability is why I have him, but he's expensive and slow now. He just makes a good Greater Good target.

>>96307681
I cast barter in blood

>>96307686
I have a gu-

>>96307681
Summary Dismissal?

>>96307695
A gu?

>>96307681
What's the point of decks like this, and anything ruins your game plan you have no back up

>>96307681
Okay, it resolves. At your end step, Swords to Plowshares.

>>96307709
Sorry redditor I should have tagged the post with SATIRE in all caps so you'd understand

Cruelclaw + 49 mountains + 49 swamps + Approach of the Second Sun

>>96307677
First day playing magic? 99% of the community is like this.

I wanted to make some new decks before the next time I play but I need to sort 6,000 cards

>>96307741
wouldn't that...do nothing, since it's not being cast from hand?

>>96307681
Not bad. I'd add an extra swamp for a mountain since the skull is first in the mana cost.

So now that we've seen some more of the Avatar set, what are people's thoughts?
Firebending seems neat. Same with Airbending. Waterbending seems convoluted.
Earthbending and Toph seem fun.

>>96307681
You can do so much more

can i put a creature spell on the stack at instant speed and then exile yeva with food chain to pay for it

>>96307860
No

>>96307850
I haven't looked at it because it trash for trash people.

Looking for feedback for this Kilo build, going for fun counters and a feel of a robot trying his best to be an actual wizard.
https://moxfield.com/decks/UpYFxFaHYkSZXSnReqJ-2g
Not enough ramp, removal or UB? Let me know.

is this fun to play

>>96307916
There is no fun way to play grixis

>>96307955
grixis has all the fun cards

>>96307916
Seems boring

Monogreen storm with Aeve as the wincon, yay or nay?

>>96307850
Toph is queen of feelsbad. Yes I will lock the game with Ugin's Nexus and Mindslaver please. What do you mean it recurs things even when the artifact gets exiled?

>>96307955
actually it's kamigawa

>Goldfishing on mtg forge
>Go against the kami of the crescent moon preconstructed deck
Holy fuck that is a sinister deck. Pretends to be group hug for the first 7-8 turns, then switches gears into eldrazi mill, while camping a dozen counter spells.
I'm never trusting this fat bastard if I see him in paper.

>>96308028
>Goldfishing on mtg forge
chartreusepill me

>>96307641
https://archidekt.com/decks/14378432/teneb_war_of_attrition
>>96307684
Thinking about taking him out for a Phyrexian Delver. Basically another Karmic Guide, but doesn't loop with Reveillark. Genesis is good when you're topdecking late game (and he happens to be in the graveyard), but it hasn't happened with this deck in forever.

>>96308019
Aevee kind of sucks, but it and chatterstorm are your only real options. Just make sure you have concordant crossroads and cards to blank counter magic.

>>96307850
It seems decent, I like the return clause on the earthbending lands though I hope it remains relatively hard to do otherwise we're gonna end up with even more jund sac land /landfall.

Firebending is nice and thematic if a bit niche.
Airbending is cool, being both defensive and offensive though I feel like we're starting to hit this point where we need to start being able to interact with exile more, which is a whole can of worms.


Waterbending I'll still need to see more of, but it just seems like convoke/improvise on activated abilites without any real set theming.

>>96308033
>download forge
>download java 17 or later (go to the link forge gives after install)
>???
>profit
Keep in mind the AI is kind of retarded sometimes, mostly because with more complex precons they don't really understand what they should be doing.

>lose game 1 because I misread a card and it made me sandbag removal (it turned my guaranteed win into a loss)
>lose game 2 because my opponent's cluttered-ass boardstate of 50 permanents had a propaganda I forgot about so I couldn't pay the 2 and lethal him
FUCK

>playing to theme
>Have made cuts to fit theme
>no one else plays to theme
>consistent, but slow, because of thematic or flavorful cuts
>get ass kicked
>slightly reduce thematic cuts
>still consistent
>do good once
>immediate archnemesis
>other players combo out on turn after I get leveled

I dont know why I keep playing.
I just wanted to have fun with space themed shit.

>>96308028
That's not pretending to group hug and then switching, that'd a proper group hug. People who just spread value to everyone but never intend on winning are insufferable. Group hug should spread value to everyone but hopefully have a way to better capitalize on it than the opponents.

>>96308028
Kek. This was my first blue deck back in the day. Yeah don't trust him.

>>96307915
>34 lands
I take it your playgroup allows you free mulligan always?

>>96307955
>There is no fun way to play grixis
bro have you recently suffered from brain damage or something? grixis is insanely fun to play. it's like if mono-green was functional

>>96307915
do you end up getting a lot of mileage out of anatomist?
did you replace the pentad prism in the precon with a sphere of the suns? why?
hourglass of the lost is just mana value X, not or less, so I don't like it personally. I guess you could use it at X=2 or 3 decently.
staff of the storyteller over insight engine?
I feel like you might want another few sources of moving counters around.
there's a few artifact cost reducers you could run, but you only have foundry inspector. your curve is pretty low, rather than suggesting the others, I'd actually just suggest cutting him.
I don't get lotus field here. you only have the one source of catch-up ramp and you can't do anything with lands in GY.
watch out, mirrodin's core is NOT a storage land. it's more like a slow filter. if you never find yourself tapping it for colorless, honestly I'd suggest swapping it for a triland of some kind.
elocutors is funny, but keep in mind you do need a second upkeep to win.

slightly serious suggestions of cards to look at: prologue to phyresis, jitte (either)
goofy suggestions of cards to look at: grim poppet, leech bonder

>>96307850
Avatar mechanics seem more inspired/interesting than the Spiderman ones at least. Toph is probably the most interesting legend spoiled so far.

>>96308123
ATLA fits in slightly better than spiderman just because it's pre industrialization era, and bending is basically a hard magic system. I still think its out of place, but less so than some others.

Is there any other color pairing with as much flavor as golgari? I think not.

>>96308184
Golgari has the most variety of all the 2 color commanders IMO. Feels good being a golgari enjoyer.

>>96308039
That looks pretty close to my list but 38 lands might solve some of the issues I was having. Thanks!

What's your favourite playstyle? I like playing retarded gimmicks. I'm not necessarily looking to dominate games or stopping people from playing, but doing dumb shit.
>Felothar defender spam
>Ashling pipe bombing
>Squirrel spamming
>picrel

>>96308184
>not including squirrels

>>96307476
Discouraged, same as always.
This deck is just too slow to really work, even if you abuse it as hard as possible. Literally too slow for bracket 2 play

>>96307684
I love genesis in my otherwise very low to the ground selesnya hate list. Ive cut it a few times but it always ends up back in there

>>96308039
>$2600 freedom bucks
Are you guys actually paying this much for your ducks or are you just proxying everything?

>>96308266
You guys easily get too cocky when mentioned.

>>96308266
On purpose

>>96308184
I love golgari commanders so much and so many golgari cards but for some reason I've never made a list im satisfied with and thusly have never had a golgari deck it makes me sad

>>96308277
I play squirrels to play a retarded tribal gimmick. I'm not retarded enough to think my deck is super broken.

>>96308274
Collectibles are a fucked market, my $100 5 color budget deck is now worth 350 bucks with minimal changes since 2016.

>>96308259
Wow. What problems were you having and how many lands? Got a link to your deck?

>>96308184
>Me, the Immortal is this but better
>generic sac = get thing commander
>unique ramp design
>generic graveyard commander
>generic graveyard/sac commander
>yet another elf commander
>generic graveyard commander
>generic sac = get thing commander
>unique removal design
>unique land commander
>generic sac = good thing commander
>vanilla so it isn't even unique by any standard
>unique artifact/removal commander design
>>>>>companion
>unique
>unique
more than most colors but sacrifice/graveyard is so flavorless and generic

>>96308263
I like building efficient highlander decks with some kind of big dumb creature or effect as a commander.
But as big dumb creatures become less efficient I find myself building them less and less. I still hate the feeling of being told what to do. If I want to play a token deck, I'd more likely play something like pic related rather than a commander that says "tokens".

>>96308118
The only card I've bought so far is Kilo himself, this is the list I've sent to my FLGS though. I love Grim Poppet so because my curve is nice and low I'll swap out Inspector for him, Leech Bonder is perfect for this deck so finding a cut there will be a little harder. Lotus Field is a pet card, sort of a ha-ha when I bring back the lands with Faith's Reward.
Thank you for the very helpful tweaks.

>>96307850
A lot of boring build around Commanders with gimmicks that have little to no redundancy meaning when you play with competent players and get rekt by removal you just sit there durdling with your build around pieces.

>>96308086
I thought with the rocks and curve I could get away with it, but I have mulled down to 4 in some decks with a 37 count.

>>96308298
It just felt clunky, I was having problems with consistency. I also felt like I never got the reanimation package where I wanted it. I think my most recent version only had the two flashback ones and reanimate. I was trying to do some blink/scam stuff, cut from 35 down to 33 lands.
I never gave thought to going in the opposite direction.

>>96308304
I mean if you're playing Umori as your companion you're always guaranteed to not be playing any instant or sorcery in your deck unless you have a giga brain brew for it.

>>96308274
>>$2600 freedom bucks
>Are you guys actually paying this much for your ducks or are you just proxying everything?

Hell no. I own every card on that list but Faeburrow Elder and The Meathook Massacre. My bro has been playing magic since Unlimited. I got into it in 2009 with him, so I've been able to trade and have cards increase in price since then.
You have no idea what it was like trading cards after the iPhone came out, where you could check prices online in person and the person you're trading with most likely could not. I was able to trade trash rares and mythics (at the time) for all the dual lands and whatever else I wanted. No wonder many were able to trade up to a power of 9 back then.

>>96308292
Yep. I was absolutely shocked that some cards I bought or traded for 1-5 dollars back in the day are now worth hundreds. One being a foil Mindbreak Trap.

i don't think i've ever come across a video i want to watch less

How do we feel about this card?

>>96308357
Dies to Abrade

>>96308338
Yikes. No you want 38 land, with lots of ramp. My average mana cost is 4.

The goal of my deck has always been to prevent others from winning by destroying/exiling their problematic permanents. Since most of the creatures have ETB and death triggers you get a ton of card advantage. Same with all the wipes, recursion and draw you get from those colors. It doesn't matter if you threw everything down and then wipe the board. You're definitely going to be in a better spot to rebuild than everyone else. I feel like throwing stuff into the graveyard via things like Entomb and trying to cheat them out is too easy for others to disrupt, so that's why I wanted everything to give me value before it went to the graveyard. If it comes back, it's even better.

I purposely built it to not be a fast combo instant win deck, so it's not really a powerful bracket 4. I'd consider it a 3.75. It was a much, much stronger strategy back in the day when I first built it, 2010. Slowly been updating it recently.

>>96308359
>Dies to Removal
Any other riveting observations, you mealy mouthed worm? I hate statement, it's fucking thought terminating and disingenuous.

>>96308357
Goes infinite with Tannuk+Cloudstone Curio plus several of red creatures that gives mana when etb.

I'm debating making Kefka or 5c Terra. I took apart shrines for parts of terra but have a kefka pile going as well. My tcgplayer cart is something like $600 but I can't help but eye some counterfeits. Undergroundsea has most of their stock available while bootlegmage just doesnt have some of the surge foils. I havent checked out Ron or BL in a while, anyone used them recently or checked out stock? Its been a while since i've gotten counterfeits.

>>96308357
I dislike the prevalence of easy card draw, but that's part of my disdain for modern MTG design philosophy.
At least this has a drawback in it sets your life to 20(in commander) at the end of each turn. But even that is horrendously minor in any halfway decent deck.

>>96308357
Basically custom made to be good with big Sami. It's ok. You need to have something to do with it the turn it comes down which is a real ask for a 7 drop. If you don't it kind of sucks and I doubt anyone is letting you untap with it in a full rotation around the table.

>>96308389
>I dislike the prevalence of easy card draw
>in a card game
>everyone should run the exact same draw cards we've had for 30 years

>>96308378
Why do you talk like that? Were you a theater kid?

>>96308357
>>96308378
At 7 mana it really should be something more than a draw engine. I guess it's an Arcum Dagsson target but he hasn't been cEDH viable in years while still being banished to tryhard jail for being Tinker in the command zone. It's not particularly notable because 7 mana has been a "I win the game if this survives" cutoff for quite some time.

>>96308028
Heh, mine is about cheating Enter The Infinite to lab man.

>>96308357
I've seen like 2 people kill themselves with it in Limited

>>96308245
>Golgari has the most variety of all the 2 color commanders
>abuse graveyard for big value
>sac/kill creatures for big value
Wow such diverse and unique strategies

>>96308489
Gruul is the only color combo that has variety
All other color combos only have "Then die!" as an option.

>>96308357
I will see how it will do in my Sythis' ramp list though I don't know if I need more draw on cast engine.

>>96308460
By deck out or an opponent dealing 10 to them in a single turn?

>>96308493
>tranny color combo
>has variety beyond landfall and go sideways
Only color combo with less variety is the official combo of cock cages, WG

>>96308325
OK, well the precon itself also had tekuthal, as well as one or two ways to tap kilo without attacking. looking again, you have drum bellower, but not a lot of instant speed ways to tap, nor ways to protect kilo if he's attacking. even a relic of legend would help here. a similar problem with leech bonder, but one you can't fix with relic. maybe paradise mantle, but I don't know if infinite fiddle "oops I move everyone's counters to my permanents" is what you're looking for.
more generically, you could think about cards like aphetto alchemist, fatestitcher, or ioreth for other untaps. (you're not actually legend-dense enough that I'd recommend ioreth.) maybe play it a couple of times first to see if you want more untap sources, which you could go very hard with in artifacts.
I'm not sure how long you've been playing EDH or the makeup of your playgroup, but you're also not running much in the way of removal, so I'd try and consider a few more of those.
unfortunately, I can't help but suggest a lot of the stuff that was in the precon, it's a very good precon.

>>96308511
>gruul is a "tranny color combo"
>selesnya being the opposite of breeding
unfathomably bizzare

>izzet
>spellslinger
>a little bit of artifact shenanigans
What else can they do?

>>96308534
draw cards and discard cards
fly but like really fast
flip coins
possibility storm stuff, rarely

>>96308534
Play cards from zones besides the hand, but you might put that under spellslinger.

>>96307495
I think they do it because consumers wish to wear and show off things they have a personal interest in. I believe the existence of such things is a result of consumer pressure on markets, and not a simple nefarious scheme to make others advertise for you (why would they buy it if they didn't like it?)

>guy has literal printer printed cyc rift, rhystic, in azorious colors
>running an infinite in the command zone
>tutors
>see him play a combo piece
>graveyard loop w/ persist, no one has an answer
>'I win' - interrupt his goblin bombardment w/ persist trigger on the stack
>exile his graveyard
>'damn I shouldn't have admitted it was an infinite..'

Have you ever met someone that was your anti-thesis? A faggot playing nothing but shitty looking proxies, all good stuff - doesn't know how the rules work - and tries to sneak in 2 card infinites with his commander while 'my deck isn't that strong' and running every free counterspell.

>>96308534
blue red is the designated 'fuck with the stack and do crazy shit' archetype, which as many, many ways to spellsling. Blue and red also have artifact synergies, and outside of that, it's the chaos archetype with coin flips.

>>96308511
Sorry bud, but Wizards already agreed with me well over a decade ago.

>>96308526
every gruul player is either an annoying tranny, or a literal cuck looking mf. I live in austin. I see them all the time.

>>96308375
Thanks for the advice
So we started around the same time
Im curious what you think of the format these days

Someone post the selesnya chastity cage pics

Someone post the selesnya barefoot and pregnant pics

>>96308534
Wizard punch
Splinter twin
Blue moon style control decks
Token decks w/ warp world and mass polymorph
Chaos
Too many counterspells, not enough win cons
Flicker
Group hug/ chaos

The world is your oyster.

>>96308534
Izzet has some of the cheapest theft effects.

Why is the most based color combo rakdos?

>>96308511
How dare you besmirch Vitu-Ghazi.

>>96308586
I just got back into it the last few months. Power crept in some areas for sure, I'm finding new cards for my decks. I haven't had much playing experience since then outside my pod, but I gather that interaction isn't so much a thing anymore, along with removal. I feel like there is a huge opportunity for decks like this that let people play their decks, but stops them from winning. I think somewhere between tier 3 and 4 is the sweetspot, where you can build a themed janky deck that does something and it can sometimes win, but you probably won't be BTFO in a few turns by some streamlined combo deck.
I mean that's how my pod used to play back in the day. Turns 5-10 were the sweetspot. Rarely it would end earlier, a good time it would go over that and it would usually be a blast.

>>96308588
What commander did the nigga go with

>>96308606
>I think somewhere between tier 3 and 4 is the sweetspot, where you can build a themed janky deck that does something and it can sometimes win
Bro...

>>96308521
would these stack with picrel?

>>96308579
>bro my anecdotes
No one cares

>>96308600
Shoving barbed dildos into your anus and call it recreational activity is not based.

That certain "influencer" is going to eat his own word sooner or later.

>>96308699
why is this art so bad?

>>96308699
Which one and over what?
Also really funny how these cards both come with attached cost AND require only a single target, but Swat gets to be fucking free and work on anything with any number of targets. Really jumped the gun on that one WotC.

>>96308359
Liquimetal Torque and Abrade are the greatest cards they've printed in the last decade. Honorable mention to Shenanigans inb4 muh sorcery speed.

>>96308711
It's powercrept Bolt Bend instead of Swat.

Is this bracket 2 or 3? I can pretty consistently kill someone on turn 3 with protected commander damage, but then I usually get focused out of the game by the other two players and can't do anything about it. It has 2 game changers and some creature tutors but I feel like there are many precons out of the box that are better than it.

https://moxfield.com/decks/DAhte3U86EabbqFWkCMDmg

>>96308708
It looks like AI

>>96308699
Rowan is going to love this.

>>96308699
GIVE ME DAT TRINKETBOI BUSSY!! HE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!

>>96308699
Huh, a custom border that I actually like. Been a while.

>>96307850
Earthbending seems kind of risky, like animating lands in general is, but Toph turning artifacts into lands is interesting. I came into the set wanting to build whatever Toph would end up being and it looks like this Toph isn't so bad so I'll be trying her.

Is this even controversial for you guys?

>>96308738
>it has 2 game changers
>is it bracket 2 or 3?

You might be retarded. Now if you wanted to have a broader discussion on what "should" constitute different brackets like how decks running MLD as part of their game plan can't actually compete with most other bracket 4 decks, then we can have that discussion.

>>96308771
go away 3/3 elk

>>96308760
>risky
It returns them to the battlefield anon, not only is there no risk but you double up on their etbs and any they might trigger

>>96308771
>it's red
>Slicer is a cedh powerhouse
>red literally improves every single other color massively even more than green does (yes, Izzet is better than Simic)

>>96308778
Huh, you know my first read of Earthbending had me assume it was an effect that Toph applied as long as she was on the field. I was thinking that anyone who was going to remove your animated lands would just remove her first so she couldn't bring them back. But looking at it again Earthbending, the way it's worded, applies that as an ongoing effect regardless of if she's on board, doesn't it?

>>96308521
Bringer of the White Dawn used to be the mainstay in my old 60 card deck way back in the day, went swimmingly with Mindslaver til I realized not one human being on the planet wants to not play their turn ever while you durdle and don't go for the win lmao
Funnily enough, that friend ended up yata-locking me in Yugioh a few times and I realized how gay it was and we both agreed to stop doing those combos.
>>96308357
I personally like it, but I need to get my hands on one to see how it actually feels
>>96307850
Toph actually looks like fun for a combination of sacrifice/etb artifact shenanigans. If there's enough Earthbending, I'll probably build her and just try to make fun combos with killing cool artifacts that do fun shit on ETB.

>>96308708
Because the cartoon was already badly drawn

>>96308738
Its a bad bracket 3 deck

>>96308619
Yo?

>>96308815
I mean yeah it's anime style but it looks good for that particularly ugly category.

>>96308646
>>96308633
>>96308602
>>96308600
>>96308593
>>96308588
Today I shall FUCKING remind them

>WU
safe sex, barriers, and non-contact of all types; vanilla bondage like handcuffs; rules and contracts
>WB
dominating (you); worship, teasing, stuff (you) are doing for her; blackmail (actual); lifestyle BDSM
>WR
muscles, tomboys, whatever the name of that fetish is where it's feats of strength, wrestling; worship (specific body parts); brat; sex positions (holds)
>WG
mating press, creampie, impregnation, pregnant; orgies; vanilla stuff but fetishistically (kissing, handholding, PDAs)
>UB
sensory deprivation; public sex (secret); roleplay both in the scenario sense and online ERP, writing/literature generally; roleplay (blackmail, noncon, characters/scenarios), coercion
>UR
roleplay (costumes); toys/bondage for a scenario, improvised toys/bondage; surprise sex; novelty; domination swap; mutual masturbation
>UG
toys (mostly dildos); wet-n-messy (only stuff that comes in a tub (expensive)); costumes/outfits; roleplay; yes the dildos, costumes, and roleplay are for animals/tentacles/monsterboys
>BR
novelty; extreme BDSM (as dominant); literally anything; secretly or not-secretly pain, knives, blood, snuff
>BG
orgies but the fantasy kind where there's a 'star' (her of course); vanilla; wet-n-messy mostly for theming; public sex (risk of being found)
>RG
rape (duh); rough sex; surprise sex; forced sex (rape again); predator/prey; domination contests; anything kinetic and physical, would try BDSM the same as choking or beating each other up (sexually(?))

I have room so
>W
more (you) focused than community focused; the most vanilla color, every other color leans more dominant-except maybe G
>U
needs the mental aspect, buildup, scenario, or just foreplay; edging; sleeping
>B
selfish and dominant, that's kinda it
>R
novelty- and pleasure-seeking; fast; multiple orgasms
>G
community minded somehow, either public, multiple people, or public/social expectation; very physical

>>96308735
Unfortunately despite what WotC wants, they still printed Swat and they can't memoryhole the fact they printed a red spell that costs 0 mana to cast that reads "You may choose new targets for target spell or ability."

How do you personally handle a missed trigger? I usually let any non-optional effects fire unless a lot of gameplay has passed since it would have triggered.
Would you consider non-optional effects that has a target as optional because no target was declared?

>>96308839
These designs fucking suck. The boros and dimir ones are okay I guess but the rest are so fucking uninspired.

>>96308571
>A faggot playing nothing but shitty looking proxies, all good stuff - doesn't know how the rules work - and tries to sneak in 2 card infinites with his commander while 'my deck isn't that strong' and running every free counterspell.
One of my friends in a nutshell. Just prints all their cards now because they are bad at managing their money and spends every paycheck as soon as they get it but gets anally devastated whenever anyone in the rest of the group does a pre-release, pulls cards they want but don’t give them to him because we ask why he just doesn’t print them instead. Don’t give a damn about Last Airbender but am looking forward to the others doing the pre-release that he won’t be able to afford to go and watching him seethe in the aftermath.

>>96308022
>Yes I will lock the game with Ugin's Nexus and Mindslaver please
Alright fine, I'll build her.

>>96308839
>tfw qualify as Jeskai according to this

>>96308839
>wet-n-messy (only stuff that comes in a tub
So... water?

>>96308839
Only rakdos and Seleznya are accurate

>>96307850
>Game has evolved from 4-drops giving you a single treasure token to giving infinite recursion to every egg in the game

>>96308774
Plenty of precons have game changers. If I took out worldy tutor does it become bracket 2?

>>96308878
they only recur if they get bent, which she only does once per turn. we don't know what the timing is going to be on any other earthbender though.

>>96308884
If you're taking out people as fast as you say you are then no not at all. If you try saying it is you're being grossly disingenuous.

>>96308888
The other anon already pointed out that this is infinite extra turns by itself, and suddenly Gavin's push for "chaining extra turns" being an entire bracket rule is starting to make more sense. Like yeah it's a dick move to run extra turns no wincon a lot of people have experienced it before, but it was oddly specific that it got an entire rule.

>Durr if I take Time Vault out of my Twiddlestorm deck does it suddenly become legal in Modern?
Yes, in-fact, it does.

>>96308802
>likes Toph, Rukia, and Sucy
starting to look like a pattern.

It's time to terrorize bracket 2 with a banned card experience.

>>96308839
Cool headcanon anon

>>96308920
A pattern of extremely good taste in waifus

>>96308699
cEDH will say this card is busted.

>>96308894
OK so it's bracket 3. Thanks. I thought it was too weak to be bracket 3, that's why I asked

>>96308955
>Worse 3rd copy of REB
I don't think so.

>>96308955
Is cedh in the room with you right now anon?

>>96308735
>>96308842
This isn't even me complaining that it's not better than Swat.
I'm complaining because there's literally 2 cards in the whole game that can hit spells and abilities with multiple targets:
A 0-mana card that's busted to shit.
A 3-mana card that's ridiculously greedy.
The gap between these two cards is colossal. There's no 1/2-mana options that hit spells/abilities with multiple targets. It's being told to pick a lane when one is so busted it got rightfully put on the GC list and the other one is basically meme-tier with being 3-mana stack interaction.

>>96309022
Forgetting someone else here aren't we?

>>96308357
Much needed draw for colorless decks.

>>96309029
Sorry I forgot the 5-mana meme face-down card that's even worse.

>>96309022
There's also Wild Ricochet isn't there? Though it's limited to instants and sorceries so that may not exactly count. Either way I imagine means there will be more redirects every couple of sets.

>>96309032
He's a monster in Yarus.

>>96309033
What I'm mainly looking for is the versatility offered by Swat/Reversal being able to hit basically anything that targets. Being instant/sorc locked kinda kills it in that department even before accounting for the fact it's 4-mana.

>>96309066
Yeah I get you. I imagine we'll get there eventually with how many effects that almost do what Deflecting Swat does. Especially now that they printed one that pretty much just does in this Avatar set. Given time it may be as common as the Tamiyo's Safekeeping likes.

Bracket 2 shenanigans

>>96309098
So how often do people fall for these in your experience? The few times I've seen people try them the whole table would usually realize this was a fucked exchange and wouldn't take the offer. Though there is always that one time when someone is enough behind where they do and don't care.

>>96307376
>i-i-it fits better!!!!!
This is one of the dumbest pro UB arguments.
1. Hat sets were a stepping stone to UB. Both involve WotC putting less effort into their own writing and their own spins on classic genres to just make lazy references to something
2. UB is an unskippable ad, so even if it was the bestest most Magic-adjacent IP in the world, none of that would overcome the fact that instead of being sold Magic we are being sold cardboard funkopops. I got into Magic for Magic, I enjoy other IPs as their own thing, I don’t want them in Magic and if you did you could always have made custom cards instead of wet watery shitting the contents of your wallet when WotC tickled your gooch and leaving us all with more than 50% of all cards printed in a year being other IPs

>>96309121
>same empty incorrect buzzphrases
yay i love this same stupid bullshit point

I only play bracket 4 aka real commander

>>96308378
You spent 7 mana on a do nothing card that can be eradicated by removal that cost less than 25% of it. If you're spending that much mana it should be to fill up the board or play a game ending threat. Someone will probably blow it up before you are able to get a single card out of it and you'll be down 7 mana and a card - basically a whole turn - AND you'll probably have lost life too while it sat there not advancing your game plan.

Meanwhile for the exact same cost in the exact same colors you could've played a card that has far less removal made for it, exiled any colored permanent, gained life, drew a card, and put a threat on the board that HAS to be answered or people's shit will start getting exiled like crazy.

>>96309121
How are in universe sets not ads?

>>96308771
>check EDHREC
>red is by far the most popular monocolor
These people just lie for clicks. It’s like that one post about how people would rather correct you than help you. If you ask for help on the Internet people are less likely to reply than if you claim something you know to be wrong so people will give you the answer youre looking for just to feel satisfaction for correcting you.

If a YouTuber had a non-retarded opinion they’d get fewer views and comments than if they say something stupid

>>96309148
>popular=good
No.

>>96309148
>Krenko is the most popular mono colored commander by magnitudes
ftfy. It isn't red. It's Krenko.

>>96308357
Two cards combo with Omni

>>96309145
>how is the tv show I’m watching not just an ad for itself????? How is the show different to the ad break?????
You can figure this one out, I believe in you

>>96309154
Based Gobfather.

>>96309163
TV shows try to get you to keep watching. Just as ads try to get you to keep buying. They are the same.

>>96307376
>final faggot who literally does not know who the gatewatch are is trying to dictate what "fits" Magic's setting
Holy shit. Bet xe's ERPing on FF14 on xer other monitor as we speak.

>>96309132
You have been trying for months to shoot down criticism of UB by calling it a meltdown and randomly saying “buzzwords” as if that itself isn’t a buzzword.
It hasn’t worked for you. I know your autism limits this, but you might want to consider trying something else

>>96309169
He is objectively right. You should take the L

>>96309169
Not that anon but who honestly gives a singular fuck about MtG’s ‘stories’ if they can even be called that? JotC tried shilling Jace and the Jacetice league for a decade before finally abandoning it, and from my understanding they gave up completely once the New Phyreixa set happened and we then went to LotR almost immediately afterwards.

>>96309169
>posts westoid capeshit
>projects degenerate western behavior to others
>still seething that (eastern IP) UB is the future
lmao

>>96309216
>who honestly gives a singular fuck about MtG’s ‘stories’
Not about the story, about the setting. Addressed last thread.
>>96303878

>>96309158
*clogs on all land hand*

>>96309169
Yeah one of the unsung frustrations about UB is the fact that often pro-UB fanboys literally are just fanboys of whatever IP it is but they'll never be fucking honest about it and instead you have to sit there and be lied to about their reasons for supporting it

>>96309148
Edhretards don't represent real decks, it's just a repository of brewed sets scalped from deck building sites. 99% of those decks don't exist. Remember according to the site Edgar Markov was the 4th most popular deck for years while it was $120+ dollars, just ahead of $3 Krenko.

>>96309260
>Remember according to the site Edgar Markov was the 4th most popular deck for years while it was $120+ dollars, just ahead of $3 Krenko.
In my experience the most popular card to proxy is the commander. I've met plenty of people who only play with real decks but will proxy their commander if they can't get a real one.

>>96309158
I have never found a deck that benefits from running this. Without fail 10 mana is just too late game. By the time it comes down you've already played something like 90% of all the cards you were ever likely to play in the game to begin with.

My copy has bounced around 3 or 4 different decks, but I now have it in Zur Eternal Schemer because if it comes out it can be a 10/10 beater, and there's like 5 or more cards in the deck that would reduce the cost to cast it so it'll end up closer to 7 than 10, but still.

>>96309250
>Feel of Magic
Yeah that basically describes one of the reason I got into EDH. Had tried normal MtG prior because some of the planes interested me when I tried it (Kamigawa, Alara and original Innistrad) but I despised the 1v1 format. Once I tried EDH and combined with Khans of Tarkir that got me hooked for the past 11 years. I think some UB sets can still give that feeling but those are going to be few and far between.

>>96309250
>what really matters are original characters with original settings, what characters do in those settings don't matter at all
you are entitled to your tastes but i can tell you now the vast majority of people do not think that way
nobody is going to claim that mtg is (or should aim to be) high art so at the very least they should appeal to the lowest common denominator, which happen to be casuals wanting memberberries and crossovers
if mtg UW hadn't sucked then it would be other companies wanting mtg IP, but sadly that is not the case, more proof that UB while leaving a bad taste in the mouth because it highlights the failings of UW is ultimately the correct choice
sucks that you're alone in an island but it is what it is
>mtg is more than just a set of rules
btw i surely hope you're not proxying cards while acting holier than thou btw

Magic should just fire its entire art staff and only hire japanese artists.
It's pretty funny how they themselves even acknowledge their own inferiority by making their art the lower rarity variants of the FF and some EoE cards while making japanese art higher rarity.

>>96309291
>"Glorfindel was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of joy; his eyes were bright and clean, and his voice like music; on his brow set wisdom, and in his hand was strength." - The Fellowship of the Ring
>get this instead
wotc should just get rid of everyone and start over, the rot in renton is too much

>>96309291
Give it some time and that maybe the case. Hell they could even spin it as outsourcing the art which may end up cheaper in the long run depending.

>>96309290
>>what really matters are original characters with original settings, what characters do in those settings don't matter at all
>you are entitled to your tastes but i can tell you now the vast majority of people do not think that way
I think you're totally wrong on this.
People want to be able to say
>oh huh thats a neat art
>woah that scene looks intense
>this character looks badass
I promise you the people who give a fuck how it all fits together or what it means are in the minority.

>more proof that UB...ultimately the correct choice
Correct choice in what sense? Because it's profitable? How does a company's bottom line in anyway indicate what is "correct"? You are not a Hasbro executive, your goals for Magic do not align with the goals of Hasbro executives.
If you want an example of a hobby company doing great financially while the hobby itself suffers, just look at Games Workshop
>prices have gone up every single year all while the contents of a box become smaller and smaller
>rules are not free, not only do you have to pay $40 for the rules of each individual army you collect, you also have to scan that book into an app if you want access to rules changes and errata
>one of the most wildly litigious hobby companies and literally bans fan animations because they're trying to do their own series of animations on their shitty fucking app, have sent cease and desists to fucking parody animation channels on youtube
They're one of the most wildly anti-consumer companies and have literally started to market themselves as a "luxury hobby" but they're doing better than ever financially.
You are on the consumer side of this divide whether you like it or not, you don't get points for sucking off execs or trying to see things from their perspective.

>hope you're not proxying cards
I'm not, for one thing. But don't try to purity test me anyway, cunt. Address the arguments or fuck off

>>96309169
Magic's lore sucks and has always sucked. At best they had a few interesting worlds they never did anything with, like Innistrad and Lorwyn. And they never succeeded in making anything close to a universally beloved character. Seethe more phaggot but the reason why UB has record breaking sales is because they are stories people actually give a shit about. Magic stories and characters have had 0.0% pop culture impact despite being the default TCG for 30 years with millions of players.

>>96309329
>the reason why UB has record breaking sales is because they are stories people actually give a shit about
Is this bait? There is no story to UB. It's actually the latest step in the march to strip Magic of all story. What the fuck are you talking about? The story was all in the original media you consumed, all you're getting in the Magic print is references.

>>96309326
>hobby company doing great financially while the hobby itself suffers, just look at Games Workshop
Can you explain this to me? It sounds like extreme cognitive dissonance. If the hobby was suffering, less people would be playing and less people would be buying, leading to financial failure of the company.
So if the inverse is true.... people have to be playing/buying, or else they wouldn't be making money, no? Your image gives away your complete lack of understanding on the subject since just screeching the word "funkopop" about something that is, at base value, completely different but only tangentially relateable and doing this in almost every single post (just like screeching "unskippable ad" because you have no idea what an advertisement is) makes you look stupid.
>purity test
Oh you're that anon. Do you ever go to bed?

>>96309326
>oh huh thats a neat art
>woah that scene looks intense
>this character looks badass
all given by FF in spades, your hatred of anime doesn't invalidate this
or do you actually want more nu-radha and niko aris? lol
>Correct choice in what sense? Because it's profitable?
correct in the sense that people buy UB more than UW, the people have spoken, the choice is clear, you may not like the game "selling out" but no one's taking away the old pre 2000s cards, play premodern
>They're one of the most wildly anti-consumer companies and have literally started to market themselves as a "luxury hobby" but they're doing better than ever financially.
correct, and that's because they're forced to because proxies have become so easy to do
mtg has no choice but to become the louis vuitton of card games, you might laugh at the idea but money talks and benedict arnault is rich for a reason and his clients are satisfied with their luxury bags; why is this wisdom so hard to grasp?
>But don't try to purity test me anyway, cunt
you're the one kvetching about people impure enough to treat mtg as simply a set of rules, sure hurts when people do the same to you huh? lol

>>96309341
>UB has no stories

You've impressed me Anon. You're the first actual retard I've ever encountered on 4chan.

>>96309361
ignore him, these are his last days

>>96309348
>If the hobby was suffering, less people would be playing and less people would be buying, leading to financial failure of the company.
I genuinely can't tell if you're actually this stupid or just trying to bait.
Do you think that McDonalds must be health food? After all, it's so profitable, and people wouldn't eat low quality food that's bad for them right? No the only reason it could make money would be if it's good!

Warhammer makes money because its playerbase is very invested. It costs literal thousands of dollars to collect an army's entire range, assemble it, paint it up. It's not something people just drop.
It's a frog in a boiling pot situation. Every year GW increases the prices, then gives everyone enough time to get comfortable with the new prices, then they do it again.
It actually has an increasing problem with barrier to entry for exactly this fucking reason because even a "starter box" is around $120, and of course that's unassembled and needs specialist tools.

Most of GW's profit gains in the last 5 years have funnily enough been from licensing the Warhammer IP out and making money from mobile games and other slop- oh yeah, like a Magic crossover.

You're on /tg/, you can go to the Warhammer thread and ask people if they're happy with the current state of 40k and the hobby as a whole. You will get mixed responses at best, and pure vitriol at worst. Warhammer players fucking hate Games Workshop.

>>96309354
>correct in the sense that people buy UB more than UW, the people have spoken, the choice is clear, you may not like the game "selling out" but no one's taking away the old pre 2000s cards, play premodern
>if I suck off corporate executives and act like my interests are their interests, it's like im successful just like them!!!
Perhaps one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen

Just how hard will they fumbled the nu-Lorwyn?

>>96309376
being unable to move on is pure pathos btw
move on already, christ mtg is not your ex

>>96309379
Give me rakdos faeries and I wont even care if they're black as long as they're not in the alt arts

>>96309370
>Do you think that McDonalds must be health food? After all, it's so profitable, and people wouldn't eat low quality food that's bad for them right? No the only reason it could make money would be if it's good!
>literally something so detached it could only have been come up with by an insane person
McDonald's is successful because it's cheap and fuckin' tasty, so yeah, it's "good" but it's not good "for" you. If McDonald's started putting out a product you didn't like, you'd have the right to not consume said product.
>the rest of that retard sundae all topped up with the word "slop"
lmao
>people on 4chan are ANGY!!
Yeah that's definitely a unique and interesting take on the world here, look at you throwing a fucking tantrum because you aren't being given every single set to consoom and other people are having fun with those sets. The actual mental breakdown you're having, the half-truths, the empty buzzwords (slop, funko, appealing to the "masses" despite 4chan being an extreme minority)
you can't even make a fun logical fallacy, you're just a toddler.
>>96309376
>if everyone except me likes something it's corporate cocksucking
>i want the company to let ME consoom!!!!
>the only thing stopping me is imaginary rules I made
christ dude, go to bed and when you get up clean your room, wash your penis, and go outside for a bit.

>>96309381
>this is MY hobby now and I don't much like your attitude

>>96309386
sorry you can't gatekeep for your life, blame yourself or god
don't worry though, i'll gatekeep fags like you no problem

>>96309379
Worrying.

>>96309304
The card describes exactly what is on the card, you're just upset that they made him black. Cry more.

>>96309385
>>people on 4chan are ANGY!!
>Yeah that's definitely a unique and interesting take on the world here
Yeah bud cos only people on 4chan dislike what GW does to Warhammer.
You know, if your position was stronger you wouldn't have to keep deflecting, you'd be able to just address my points head on.>>96309385
>>if everyone except me likes something it's corporate cocksucking
>>i want the company to let ME consoom!!!!
No. You literally said that UB is "correct" because it is profitable. Corporate interests are not your interests, and pretending that they are so you can feel like you're on the winning side is beyond pathetic.

>>96309394
>his face fair
>black
kekw
(You) lost btw.
Bigly.

>>96309379
Bold of you to assume they're going to get any focus in the planeswalker set.

>>96309400
>ult is -7 instead of -6
imagine being scared of a 3 mana rock

>>96309404
I used Wrenn & Six as the template for the loyalty values.
This one used Kaito, Bane of Nightmares.

>>96309397
and your argument is that UW is "correct" because it's "original"...
your interests are not the consumer's interests
the people have spoken, move on already

>>96309412
>and your argument is that UW is "correct" because it's "original"...
No my argument is I got into Magic as its own IP. If I want to consume other IPs I go to the source of that IP rather than importing it into a game I liked for its own merits.
>the people have spoken, move on already
Lel if the people had spoken, WotC wouldn't need to make public statements about the parts of the audience that rightly hate UB

>>96309418
>WotC wouldn't need to make public statements about the parts of the audience that rightly hate UB
>i have no idea maro does this state of design every year where he has to shit on every set no matter how good it is (aka lessons) since fucking 2007 btw
kekw
>i'm melting down this hard because i hate fornite
imagine being this sad
again, move on already, you've lost.

>>96309431
>>i have no idea maro does this state of design every year where he has to shit on every set no matter how good it is (aka lessons) since fucking 2007 btw
Did you even look at the image? Because it reeeeeeeeally doesn't seem like you did.

Genuine question for you, do you think you come across well when you do this shit? The whole acting smug, blatantly misrepresenting what other people say etc. Or is your intention to make being pro-UB so radioactive that people are embarrassed just to say they're on your side?

>>96309433
Genuine question for you, do you think you come across well when you do this shit? The whole acting holier than thou, blatantly misrepresenting what other people (the paying casual crowd) actually want, etc?
Or are you so oblivious to the fact that being sp anti-UB like this so radioactive that people are just rolling their eyes and shaking their head at the infantile child who can't let go?

UBs I like? Good
UBs I don't like? Skipped (except for really good singles)

>>96309437
Yeah, that. Exactly what you're doing right now. You acted smug and misrepresented something, and then your response to being called out is just this childish repetition where the implication is meant to be "I'm rubber you're glue"
Do you think it looks good to behave like a 3 year old in the face of legitimate criticism?

>>96309454
Yeah the whole general was waiting with bated breath for the fucking tripfag opinion. Fuck you're so narcissistic.

>>96309141
>if you play a 7 mana spell you should be winning the game
cedh brainrot moment

>>96309455
>FUNKO
>SLOP
>FORTNITE
>AAAAAA CORPO ISN'T YOUR FRIEND
>WHY AREN'T THEY MAKING EVEN MORE STUFF FOR ME TO SPEND MY MONEY ON
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOP
>UB UB UB UB UB
>not one iota of an actual point other than "I dislike this and wish it would stop" to which everyone has already said "ok"
>legitimate criticism
You're worked into a real fervor huh?

>>96309433
>>96309437
As someone NOT in this argument and not really caring to get too involved, anti-UB is worse. He rants ALL the fucking time, in a place no one cares about and has melties practically every day. Does he even play anymore or is he just autisticly ranting here? Does he even PLAY anymore? At least with pro-UB guys, you know they play, they enjoy the game and are willing to discuss it in a proactive way. Anti-Ub guy just schizo wails all day...

>>96309455
>he can't answer the question
keep seething impotently into the void bro, notice that no one is even backing you up here
UW is not worth defending. it is absolute shit. there is nothing there but some cards i can pick up for edh and me hoping that the art isn't an absolute wreck like og kinnan
and no amount of kvetching from you will change the fact that UB is the future and if you're lucky wotc will learn their lesson and return to premodern design sensibilities for UW
again, you're all alone here
you are alone
and will always be alone
lmao

>>96309458
The game ends on turn 6 now grandpa. Turn 4 if I open with Sol Ring into Arcane Signet
Do NOT tell youtubers that more ramp means you cast more spells per game
>>96309459
So this guy falseflags as pro-UB to make that side look worse? These threads sure have changed.
>>96309461
>anti-UB is worse
Lmao at this post coming directly after >>96309459

so the new trend is just printing chase staples as bonus cards in UB sets, huh?

>>96309470
How else can WotC keep declaring "best selling set ever"?

>>96309456
Yeah the general is having a really intricate and not at all retarded debate right now
What's your most recent deck or interesting recent idea? I'm still working on tweaking Tidus.
>>96309470
I wish these sorts of things lowered the price of the staple overall, but they rarely do

>>96309475
ofc they're selling bangers
how else do you think they're keeping the dead weight known as hasbro alive?

>>96309476
>interesting recent idea?
My interesting recent idea is that only a narcissist would post on this site under a trip and you should fuck off and die in a gutter.

>>96309469
the game ends on turn 3 you casual andy
and yes anti ub faggots are you are indeed worse, imagine treating a children's card game as your ex

>>96309476
These new reprint special guests are now in 1 in 24 packs instead of 1 in 3. It will do fuckall for prices.

>>96309385
>McDonald's
>fuckin' tasty
ROMAOOOO

>>96309488
>he can't go to japan where fast food actually has to make an effort to make their shit taste good
/edhg/ really is full of poorfags huh?

>>96309469
if you open sol ring to signet you didn't shuffle after piling all manarocks together and cheated

>>96309481
>he's not working on a deck
hooooo boy that sure sounds like fun
What do you think of this, Anon? I'm considering using it as it's a +1/+1 counter deck, surely you have an opinion on a mythic rare from a Universes Within set like Lost Caverns of Ixalan, right?
>>96309487
>1 in 24
jesus christ

>>96309500
why doesn't this just say "doubles the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control" instead of all of that retarded text?

the only way to "gatekeep" in the era of the internet is to have a closed friendgroup of like minded individuals and not letting others in there. you can do nothing to stop us from invading your game and shitting up your threads. make a new format like predh or something and split the general. the crying is clearly not stopping any year soon

>>96309504
Because now he can get 3 counters after casting a Giant Growth.

>>96309504
clearly it doesn't only count counters, retard.

>>96309507
>predh
jokes on you that's just bracket 1

>>96309504
Takes into account Anthems, buffs, etc. Personally I only use counters in this deck, so it will work pretty much like that. Probably gonna cut Ixion for it.

>>96309523
Stun Counters are basically free Pacifisms for Teedus.

>>96309530
You know, I think my only current source of those in the deck is Lulu, I should grab more or at least see if there's any others I like out there.

>>96309492
>say you like McDonalds
>get mocked
>"a-a-actually I meant superior JAPANESE McDonalds!
Lmao.
Let me make you an offer anon. Go print this post out, stand on a weighing scale holding the print out next the the number on the scale. If you weigh less than 300lbs I'll pay for your next card order. How does that sound?

>>96309494
>99 cards in deck
>draw hand of 7
>free mulligan
>draw 1 turn 1, go to 8 in hand
>"nooooooo that was statistically improbable!!!!!"
If you were as smart as you'd like to think you would be able to just calculate the probability.

>>96309555
>laugh at mcdonald's ever being tasty
>be told that there are places where they are tasty
>aaaaaiiiiiieeeeeee
why is asking if you've been to japan such a bad thing to ask, given that we're in a luxury card game thread? surely you're not a proxying poorfag, are you? lmao

>>96309569
I didn't ask to hear your screeching, I asked to see how much you weigh anon. Post it or don't bother replying

>>96309580
what does me being light (or heavy, believe what you want) have anything to do with you being btfo about mcdonald's tasting good in japan?
kekw i didn't ask to hear your screeching just to save face, keep quiet or just out yourself as being a poorfag proxier already

>>96309535
Steal an artifact per turn or shut down 2 creatures per turn.

>>96309530
you know, I checked, and wow there are so few good Stun Counter cards. Lulu is probably the best one since she gets to put one defensively every time you're attacked, the other on-theme ones would be Shiva or Valefor but at 5cmc that's a lot for things that take a while to get rolling (and then die when you proliferate them hard enough). Lost in the Maze is mildly hilarious as both an offensive option or defensive one, and Sanctuary Wall with Nesting Grounds lets you effectively double how many stuns you're putting out there.
How do you feel about Concordant Crossroads as a way to give all my boys haste? I know it applies to everyone, I've just got 4 copies sitting around and figured it might be decent for the aggression this sort of deck wants.
>>96309612
This one only makes me hesitate because of "The Ring Tempts You" and not because that mechanic is complicated, but it's just an additional thing to think about
>>96309488
>this guy doesn't like a double quarter pounder with cheese (slivered onions replaced with diced onions and pickles removed)
cringe??

>>96309622
>haha i have 4 of this expensive card
no you fucking don't

>>96309633
swordfag has decks that cost $10000

>>96309470
Interesting that this doesn’t have the golden upside triangle like other UBs have had. Are they abandoning this for LA?

>>96309622
You only play Crossroads to finish the game, if you put it on the field for multiple turns then you're going to have a bad time. It's fine if you use it as a combat trick.

>>96309470
I live near dozens of banyan trees, are they all legendary

>>96309639
No, it starts with Spider-Man.

>>96309476
>Recent deck tweaks
A few more cards for Vivi and it will be done. And with the money I’m beginning to make from selling most of my collection (only want to keep certain cards and my 10 EDH decks), I’ll probably use some of that money to upgrade Golgari Spider tribal. And the rest to upgrading my PC given it cannot run Need for Speed Carbon on max settings without crashing

>Love using this card
>Friends are terminally retarded and can never remember what it does despite seeing me use it all the time
>Have to grab the card every game to reread it or have me restate the keywords
>They chump the other Life of the Party copies with their own
>Surprised it doesn't trade into itself on defense
>Forget it has to attack and try to move straight to their end steps without doing combat
Jesus, I hope you guys are playing with a higher quality of players than I am. I love this thing but god it's done nothing but show me how bad my friends are at magic.

>>96309652
>can never remember what it does despite seeing me use it all the time
>Have to grab the card every game to reread it or have me restate the keywords
That's because it's a Capenna card, all of them are wordy as fuck and everyone forgets them the minute you end the game.

>>96309622
Concordant is great if you can use it to win the game the turn you drop it. I use it in my Sisay / Karametra deck and the few times I drop it, cannot end the game and pass turn the game is over before it comes back around to my turn.

>>96309652
your friends sound like apple juice and pretzels "players" more than magic players

>>96309640
That one's actually pretty cool, and removing the lore counter every turn would mean I'd never have to deal with that last bit or losing it. Borderline Atraxa with any counter removal lmao
As for crossroads, you're probably right about it only being fit for a trick. Maybe I'm better off just running more synergy, I wish Tidus had red attached and was 4 color so I could run fun red cards like All will be one and Fervor.
>>96309648
Well 1)based and 2)I hope your new PC runs smooth for many years
>>96309633
Isnt this only like 20 dollars now?

>>96309588
North of 300 huh? Whoooo boy

>>96309673
>casually posting Veil of Summer

>>96309646
Have they given any reason for why they’re getting rid of it? I’m not opposed to the change and those triangles very rarely aligned with their own slot but I wonder why make the change now and for what reasons.

>>96309678
They don't want to differentiate Ub and regular sets because "they're all magic sets".

>>96309635
He proxies them.
Remember the time he claimed “a friend” bought him a $1000 card for his maybe pile? We remember

>>96309684
didnt his friend post his face timestamped to confirm it and then get banned for /soc/posting? i remember us reposting his face for a week or two

>>96309679
To the average person, they are. I'm fine with the change regardless, the triangles where ugly as fuck.

>>96309673
The scroll is usually better than the dr. Who one because it taps by itself and stealing an artifact can do more in a game. You lose the pseudo proliferate but you're probably doing enough of that already anyway and it's a mana cheaper.
Also keep in mind you can't move their counters with Tidus since it's not a creature so you need other cards like Scholar of New Horizons or Nesting Grounds, this is why Ixion is easier to use.

>>96309698
I do keep O'aka, Nesting Grounds, Power Conduit, and Scholar in this deck, but you've got a point. I've also got a whole pile of maybe cards already, so maybe I shouldn't be extending that list lmao
I'll take a pic of the pile in a few, doing something irl

>>96309673
>Original art Concordant
Still one of my favourite card arts in MtG

>>96309720
>>96309698
Here they are
I have some fetchlands and stuff like that, but these are most of the cards I have set aside for potential inclusion
>>96309729
It's very good art

>>96309745
i'd let her manipulate my cytoplast ifyouknowwhatimsayinng

>>96309745
The only ones I'd consider are Ripples, Bill, Ouroboroid, and Okroma's will. If you're going wide you don't want the big hydra cards, you want more protection because otherwise you're just building dice towers on your cards and then watch it crumble after a wipe.

>>96309745
Sensible, Ripples and Akroma's provide solid protection while being offensive options when going for a big swing out. I tend to go semi-tall and focus on only a few creatures at a time, the two Hydras being on the list for one being a counter mover/increaser and the other being consistent and repeatable removal on artifacts

https://archidekt.com/decks/14535204/lets_blitz
Here's the current list, curious what you think might not be impressive or might be overcosted, etc. Ouroboroid feels like a given, and Bill is at his absolute worst a total doubler

>>96309691
Yeah timestamped on a $12 McDonalds coffee order, didn't really prove much. Maybe if he'd posted the fucking receipt for the $1000 card.

>>96309858
>not considering Great Henge in a +1/+1 counter deck
what are you, gay?

>>96309257
>can't read
Look at endstone again

>>96309940
NTA I cracked a Great Henge natty in a pack of Throne of Eldraine and it's always sitting in my "one day this will be a deck pile" with Agatha's Soul Cauldron. I want to kind of mitigate it being so busted by forcing it to be thematic with Agatha as the commander, but gruul is one of my least favorite color combos and paradoxically because my gruul enchantress deck is one of my favorites I really don't feel excited about other gruul decks

>>96309953
You look at Endstone again, you can still only play 1 land per turn.
>7 lands in hand
>play 1
>draw into another
Now what?

>>96309957
One of my favorite decks is Slime against Humanity with Minsc & Boo as commander. Shooting my goo in people's faces is fun.

>>96309957
you just reminded me I have a Soul Cauldron, I wonder if I can work them both in and use it to steal fun abilities from other people

>>96309970
I just find what gruul does is so boring. Make big stompy, do big stompy.
My enchantress deck is really fun because although it's doing the gruul things, it gets so absurdly out of control with all the cascade and ramp that it actually feels fun.

Mostly I like esper and colors in esper
>Zethi, Arcane Blademaster
>Niko, Light of Hope
>Bruna, Light of Alabaster
>Zur, Eternal Schemer
>Alela, Cunning Conqueror
>Eriette of the Charmed Apple
>Emry Lurker of the Loch
>Xu-Ifit Osteoharmonist

I may in fact have too many decks.
I do have decks with red or green in them, but red and green alone is just the single most boring way to play for me

>>96309920
inexorable tide rosa path of discvery snakeskin veil Endless Detour+kimahri+gatta&luzzu Prishe Zack