Thread 96332767

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>Previous Thread:
>>96330537

>Thread Question:
Which unit/character has the best lore?

Anyone know where I could find a free audiobook of Gaunts Ghost first and only?

>>96332767 (OP)
2nd for Blade Guardians

why no upgrade kits?

a word bearer, alpha legion, and iron warrior one would sell well.

>>96332781
If you think about it, "bladeguard" can kind of be read like a synonym for a sheath. So a Bladeguard Veteran would be a Sheath Veteran. Veterans of the sheath.

>>96332794
Im gonna use them as my sheath.

>in GWs flagship store
>have nothing beyond what a normal GW has except some merch and FW

lame.

>>96332784
>why no upgrade kits?
But they do.

>>96332818
>go in
>immediately approached by staff member
>other one is a troon (not even attempting)
>3rd one has his hair pulled back with a short ponytail because you can see he's balding and trying to hide it

fuck this im going to darksphere

>>96332767 (OP)
why make the thread if you literally have no idea what to put for the TQ? What do you get out of it? Sharing a generic picture and question no one gives a fuck about just to get a fucking hit of (You)pamine?

>>96332855
Its his autism that does this

>>96332860
autism doesnt cause this. this is a different type of aberrance.

/40kg/ Secret Santa signups start today

Whoever makes the next thread please add this to the OP

If you'd like to participate here is the secret santa doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jNMk0oCTOWQkXxVetQqP-_mrNLjzggRR9wnmwkPMkM/edit?usp=sharing

>Why sign up during summer
/WiP/ also does their secret santa this time of year.
It gives people plenty of time to make/paint personalized gifts if they wish to and it helps against tourists and grifters from signing up at christmas time.

Just finished a stormboy today
>post models

>>96332855
I know we often joke about mental illness but in this case that's literally it.

>>96332880
Wishlist:
- Blood Angels
- Inquisition
- Tyranids
- Thousand Sons

Continent: North America

Public Key:

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11th should bring back:
>Templates
>Old AP
>Tank facings and AVs
>Psychic disciplines
>Psychic tests and perils of the warp
>Warlord traits
>Armoury
>Point costs
>Old wound allocation
>WS chart
>Additive S/T chart instead of multiplicative
>Detachments as armylists (ie, detachments should have their own restricted/expanded list of units)
>Cover saves
>4th edition terrain rules (dangerous, difficult, impassable, area)
>No stratagems

11th should copy from 30k 3.0:
>Morale
>Flyers
>FOC
>How characters attach to units
>USRs

11th should keep from 10th:
>Mission design
>Pre-established terrain placements (though they should be more generic and varied, not just ruins)
>Detachments (with some tweaks)
>Crusade (especially at the quality of Armageddon)

>>96332918
11th should bring back proper force organization.

>>96332918
>>96332947
agreed force orgs were really enjoyable for me

>>96332918
Honestly, I came in ready to be angry at a bait post but I agree with almost everything except the WS chart and stratagems. I think psychic should come back but it should be shrimplified.

>>96332947
I wouldn't mind either way but I quite like the new 30k FOC. Something about it just scratches an itch I didn't know I had and while being more freeform than the old one, it's still a lot more sensible than 10th's take whatever with a rule of 3.

>>96332918
I think detachments are fine but they really need to bring in subfaction specific ones like 30k marine RoWs

have a couple of generic ones and ones locked to subfaction, no "siege regiment" bullshit

>>96332918
I don’t like npcs like you

>>96332947
This right here, the "max of 3" rule is absolute fucking cancer. It's both insultingly lazy on GW's part and completely obliterates the balancing if you're just free to take three of anything you want no matter how strong and expensive that unit is (because it was designed to be far more limited in past editions)

>>96332961
tourneyfags can go play Trench Crusade instead, I hear they've been working hard to gain an audience

>>96332952
>WS chart
Why though? I think it adds a nice lever to balance melee units. Genuinely curious.
>stratagems
I just hate having a completely separate and abstracted layer of rules with its own metacurrency to keep track of. I could get behind something like reactions from 30k but honestly I rather not have anything like that. Let units and their wargear be what matters, not stratagems.
>I think psychic should come back but it should be shrimplified.
In what way? I never thought psykers were complex, we never had anything like WHFB's magic system.

>>96332880
I have never joined one of these but if there are other Mexicans I would like to participate.

I am a bit scared of shipping things outside the country.

Test

>>96332767 (OP)
>early throoding
>shit question
>ec obsessions
we had a string of relatively good threads, now you're going to ruin them again, uh?

>>96332918
go play old editions with your friends, fakegrog-kun.

>>96332959
I actually really like detachments being generic. I think the only faction that should have faction locked detachments is marines and also the Ynnari.

>>96332784
They're coming. I reckon an Alpha Legion Kill Team is one the way since we yet to see the source of the Alpharius-looking spear Rumour Engine

>>96332979
I have pretty much every 3rd edition rulebook, just missing some codex supplements. But I just want the game to be cool again.
>>96332959
>>96332986
I was thinking something closer to what variant armylists used to be in 3rd. Like, you can have the generic detachemnt with access to the entire roster but very generalist rules and then more specialized detachments for specific subfactions/playstyles with their own rosters. There's a number of ways to do this and I don't think the current one is bad per se (though variant subfactions should be more limited in what detachments they can take) but I like the 3rd edition system because it keeps things tidy so they are easier to balance and simple to understand.

Night agents expansion is coming...
I can spook it...
>TQ
Fuck off edgecoc
>>96332975
It's an american timezone issue
>>96332918
Downed vehicles as cover, psychic phase and robot phase... All I ask for, im a humble man James
>>96332880
Last year's secret santa was pretty good, I think with 40k getting more popular and these generals getting faster this year is gonna be great

Some French GT was won by a list of 80 Berzerkers.

>>96333054
dis ninja BALD and has funny lips

>>96332784
Word bearers need no upgrade kits.
Freehand gets the job done well enough, and it’s one of the main reasons I like painting them. The generic CSM sculpts fit them well.

Same goes for IW if you use HH mk3 and mk2 parts.

>alpha legion
Reddit seems to like this army and I wish I had a dime for every Reddit post that goes “painting some alpha legion right now!” And it’s just a CSM primed in leadbelcher with kroxigor scales contrast paint (still manages to look sloppy). My point is that I think alpha legion would sell well, and so would night jobbers as we’ve seen with their kill team sprue.
>>96332767 (OP)
>tq
I find that small characters from books or snippets have the most character and embody how the small human experiences and ambitions get swallowed up in the carnage and despair. Guardsmen, marines turned traitor, aspiring champions, aspirants, and anyone with real genuine motivation or hopes are more interesting than somebody who got like 5 books or a primarch.

>former loyalist turned world eater seething in furious anger at how he used to to be a loyalist as he foams at the mouth waiting for his drop pod to land

>the tech priest who sacrificed himself to bring the ultramarines’ communications back online on Calth

>the gene stealer family from hammer and Bolter

Idk that’s just me though.

>general Stubbs from Dow soulstorm who fights space marines and SoB alike to prove that the guard can’t be outdone by either (and also to advance his career)


>the the guardswoman who wouldn’t kneel to the Iron warriors in that one WH+ short and ends up becoming a servant

>>96332881
Here

>>96333050
You're not getting Nighthaunt.

>>96332971
Is 40k big in mexico? When I picture the place it's a yellow tinted desert with cartel people doing beheadings by the barrios and people in sombreros playing acoustic guitar. I have a hard time seeing a hobby that is considered so expensive be popular there.

I'm not reading your schizo babble

>>96333078
Yes, some mexicans are larping as Night Lords and World Eaters.

>>96333078
Google Rabiblancos and you’ll understand how 40K has a following there.

>>96333078
The economy over there is still better than what Russians and poles have to deal with.

>>96333108
Poland has a strong economy I thought

>>96333108
The russians and poles have recasting though. Don't think the cartel has diverseified into that yet.

>>96333115
You should learn to spot bait, anon.

>>96333078
Warhammer in general isn't very big in latin america. If you see someone talking about warhammer in spanish there's a 90% chance it's from Spain, where wargaming in general is huge, to the point that a significant part of GW employees, sculptors, painters and paint brands are spanish.

>>96333126
Do polish people routinely get buttmad here or something? I'm from /wfg/ I'm not usually on here

>>96333094
Sure but I doubt there are enough rich westerners there to keep LGS' and warhammer stores afloat and stuff. They gotta be a very small minority.

>>96333078
meme replies aside, outside of Mexico City there are a few hobby stores. Unfortunately not in my hometown so I have to buy my stuff on amazon

>>96333108
Poland's economy is great what are you on

>>96333078
Yes, most of the country is roleplaying as catachan

I have both a DG and a CSM armies halfway through painting and I can't decide which one to finish, I think I like DG just a little bit more but CSM are still super fun to play and have the bonus that people don't hate me when I play them.

I need a metal recaster so badly it is unreal bros.
Preferably one that has pic related.

>>96333156
look on reddit. there is a private invite only sub you can find if you google around. [/spoiler[

>>96333179
Very well thank you.

>>96333156
you mean somebody who recasts models IN metal or somebody who recasts metal models in whatever material?

>>96333187
In metal.

>>96333078
you watch too many TV shows
i'm not mexican myself but you should know that your life isn't that much different from the people living in central or south america

>>96333187
There are plenty of metal recasters who make in good quality and for decent prices. I have a guy from czekh myself.

>>96333078
Warhammer isn't for third worlders in general sadly. The average brit can pretty much squeeze in a bit of his salary every month to buy some miniatures but the same can't be said for latin americans. Collecting stuff in general doesn't seem to be big here regardless of it being miniatures or not. Although as of late I have been seeing a random surge in 40k related channels and content in my country, down to specialized local recasters selling at a more acessible price. We don't have game stores and all my like 5 or so friends I can play with are all rich kids living in the good parts of the city who can only afford it due to heritage and still complain about the prices.
>t. brazilian

>>96333198
so... murderous gangs controlling most urban environments and corrupt police who try not to fight them because they are outnumbered and outgunned by said gangs?

>>96333204
I thought we were talking about mexico, not england.

>>96333204
Liverpoool, England 2025 shortly before the implementation of Age Verification and Real ID to access the internet.

>>96333204
Don't know about the spanish speakers but here in Brazil the police could overpower the gangs at any time if they wanted to.
They just aren't allowed to by local politicians and authorities and the entire legal system is built in a way that criminals can pretty much keep on their operations and hardly ever go to jail unless they really fuck up, some people only ever go to jail after like running into the police 10 times before and they have a extremely small amount of time in there.
I heard about some serial killer, can't tell if it was Peru or Equador, who murdered and buried around 47 people in the name of Satan and only faced only 25-30 years in prison, he was pretty old so he died there but still it's a structural problem not a enforcement problem, shows just make the police look stupid because they like putting criminals in a good light
Think of genestealer cults instead of underhive scum gangs, it's all the way down to the governors :)

What's opening up for preorder this week?
Anything good or is it just AoSlop

Hey anons, I'm not a frequent poster here, came to ask if you have any tips for setting up a fun 1000 point game? What are decent ways to build armies/what to avoid to ensure a fun experience that isn't one sided? I heard people said don't bring centerpiece stuff, the 250+ point stuff that can be an ass if people don't bring enough Anti Tank. My frens and I only either played combat patrol for fast game or 2K since we mostly got into playing after collecting a lot of shit.

For refernece my and my fren group's armies include: Necrons, Black Templars, World Eaters, CSM, Orks, Blood Angels, Drukhari (Drukhari army options are small anyway just 2 combat patrols + that box that had incubi and wyches) in case that matters for army specific tips.

>>96333184
It's for exclusive clientele.

>>96333241
Nice hivecity.

>>96333260
It’s just tow slop and 40gay slop. Maybe even kill slop.
If we’re lucky necromunda and legion will get a weekend.

someone shows up to your game with 2000 points of amazingly painted sisters that are all like this
wdyd

>slop
I can't wait for that gay buzzword to die

>>96333289
Honor them for the great men of legend that they are

>>96333289
Who even sells these kek

>>96333284
>legion
ew

>>96333293
Uh oh Slopper melty!

>>96333289
I cringe visibly and recoil from the nurgle like smell that wafts off his roiling fat folds and sweat stained fedora

>>96333289
I play a game or warhammer forty thousand with an opponent that finally has a painted army
take some cool or funny photos of the situations that happen during the game
then maybe ask the guy if he's seen similar models for my faction, just out of curiosity and to have two laughs with him

>>96333198
I refuse to believe that mexico isn't exactly as depicted in breaking bad.

>>96332947
nah miss me with that gay restrictive shit

>>96333318
>fedora
I don’t think even the most nerdiest inept of nerds wear fedoras now.
Not sure what has replaced the fedora now.

You guys ever apply non-canon traits to pre-existing canon characters due to said characters either lacking notable traits or having traits you feel don't fit them?

>>96333289
There’s a good chance I prolapse that dudes ass out.
After the game, of course.

>>96333320
what is your faction

>>96333323
What made fedoras attractive to neckbeards in the first place? It's a thing only old people wore.

>>96333334
>classy obscure hat (in modern age) means you're sophisticated and not like the normal crowd

>>96333325
No, if I want different characters I headcanon new characters, I don't feel the need to reshape the characters to make them my space daddies.

>>96333325
No but when I characterize them I will assume things I believe align with their character based on already pre existing information
>Ii can't think of a single even implicit example of the emperor's children are never shown raping anyone ever
>But come on you just know

>>96332918
additive s/t chart was removed for a good reason - it stops working the moment anything goes t8 or higher

>>96332880
>>96332910

This is a scam

carnac this is just a scam for you to get minis

DO NOT SEND INFO

>>96332767 (OP)
Praise the true gods!

>>96333384
MAN that bitch is cringe.

>>96332880
What stops people from dipping their 3d printed pinup models in shit and cumpiss cocktails before sending them?

>>96333389
Shut the fuck up subhuman tourist

>>96333397
The fact she was designed on 4chan doesn't change what I said

>>96333404
It does, and it reveals you to be an underaged invader

how's your model painting going

>>96333350
But like, what if it's a character too unique to be replaced

>>96333410
Started browsing in 2009 and I'm 33 however

>>96333260
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/h10nf8mw/saturday-pre-orders-cannibal-courts-and-restless-spirits/

>>96333422
Neither of these things are true larper

>>96333422
>33
>still worried about being perceived as cringe
just kill yourself, you're hopeless at this point

>>96333423
slop

>>96333422
What are you doing here unc that's pretty cringe

>>96333425
>>96333429
>>96333439
I said she was cringe, not that I was worried about being cringe thoughbeit. Sounds like you're projecting desu.

>>96333438
Not a fan of naked cannibal mutant retards, then.

>>96333451
>Posting your fucking ID
No yeah you're definitely cringe
And you don't belong here lmao

>>96333439
NTA
The reason people post here is because other places apart from some obscure corners are overrun by redditors & troons who are the incarnation of cringe and ban all who call out the bullshit echo-chamberism. And I'm not even talking about politics and culture war shit (tho they do force that a lot) but general cringe behavior, spamming unfunny memes and overrused jokes etc.

>>96333456
I like the falconer guy but that's about it.

Lore question. Do/can death worlds also have imperial nobility? I assume the wider IoM doesnt give a shit how a planet manages itself as long as they're loyal and pay tithes but who decides who is in charge of a death world, is like death matches to decide who is the stronger warrior?

>>96332979
carnac you’re a zoomer and the fakest grog here and you’re just arguing with yourself again, take your medication already

Do they say "Bleh!" or is that just a Blood Angels thing?

>>96333472
they say prey sight

>>96333451
Dumbest motherfucker in the thread.

>>96333451
Cringe faggot.

>>96333451
FUCK YOU RETARD!!!

>>96333479
>pray sike

>>96333416
>model painting
I got a cultist chan mini lying around in pieces somewhere I gotta glue and prime and paint together.
Problem is one of my coworkers injured himself so I have been taking over his shifts.

>>96333416
Too humid

>>96333416
I can't model or paint until I get new glasses. It is a minor annoyance.

>>96333528
Not true. He failed to save humanity from the warp and evolve it into a psychic species.

>>96333513
It’s for the august collage btw. I’ll say she is a guard (chaos) standard bearer or castellan.

>>96333528
id argue he didnt really need to create the primarchs and could have done it all by himself by taking it slow but other than that yeah

>>96333289
Why are her legs 4x the length of the torso?

Why hasn’t there been official warhammer manga? You think that stuff would sell like hotcakes?

>>96333456
Having a boring and kinda mediocre faction (lorewise) with good models is one thing
Having an incredibly interesting and deranged faction built specifically around my tastes (crazy people obessed with chivalry, vampires and undead, evil cannibals and dragons) with a absolutely boring and mid model range is a completely different one, it feels so grim

>>96333572
He seemed very certain he needed to go very fucking fast. No idea why though. That speed cost him.

Any speedpaints hacks to get transports on the board quickly. Want to get this guy on the table tomorrow.

>>96333289
If he's hot? It's based.
If he's rich? Somewhat tolerable but definitely a negative.
If he's fat, ugly, has poor hygiene? Show visible disgust and start whispering.

>>96333591
he looks like this

>>96333591
I legitimately hate how redditors and how we hoisted Cavil up like some grand exception that invalidates the greasy wargames nerd stereotype. All we did in endless worship of cavil was prove that he is the exception that says practically all warhammer wargamers are greasy fat nerds.

>>96333608
I have tits and a 19 BMI and think he's pretty hot.

>>96333289
I'd be impressed. He has a painted army. That shit's like a unicorn in this fucking town.

>>96333394
Where is your mind at peep?

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96333744
How you been anon?

>>96333528
If he did everything right then the current state of 40k was his intention, yes?

>>96333752
Doing something wrong and failing to accomplish something are two different things anon

>>96333744
do dark eldar fags forget this character or is it just a weird name to spell?

>>96333770
if you plan things right, you don't fail

>>96333775
Everyone knows him as Decapitator or "that one mandrake character who should come back as a Lone OP assassin"

>>96333780
lol...oh boy

>>96333746
Doing pretty well actually. Taking a break from Warhammer to work on some other things in my life. Spending time with friends and family. Just mostly staying plugged in to the news to keep track of how things are shaping up. Still play a game every couple weekends though just for fun.

>>96333796
Yet you still find the time to ritualpost every thread. Curious.

>>96333796
Good shit bruh

>>96333801
nta but do you really think it takes very long to copy and paste something maybe twice a day

Im new to 40k and got from my friend 1 combat patrol of drukhari (i like pirate shit) and second one by myself. Im thinking about TRYING to poaint them in custom color scheme cuz my friend told me to do not care about stuff like that and just go witth whatever i like, So i made couple of schemes, Can u help me choose which one looks best?

>>96332991
Kinda doubtful, seeing that 2 of 4 boxes for next season are already known, and there are already the Raptors for CSM. We dont know the teams for box 2 and 4 yet, but it would be kinda odd for them to do 2 CSM teams in succession.

>>96333156
MF if you are in europe and want to order within the continent.
But you also can find metal recasts on Aliexpress.

>>96333834
I like A or C the most
B is striking but you'll be suffering as a beginner trying to paint white and dark brown cleanly against each other

>>96333263
Imo don't bring any huge threats like you've said, nothing that's a single model over 250 points and even that's much. Don't make builds that just spam one type of unit, make balanced armies, mix of infantry and some veichles/monsters that aren't expensive. Maybe avoid op shit like wraiths+techno etc.

>>96332880
>/WiP/ also does their secret santa this time of year.

No we dont. Signups for /WIP/ starts in October, like every year, for the past 10 years.

>>96333394
Nothing, but isn't that possibility adding some extra thrill?

>>96333834
I love D but it'd be a bitch to paint. A is the safer bet and looks really good still.

>>96333588
Black speedpaint + speedpaint medium 1 to 1 mix and then cover the whole thing with it.

>>96333849
Apologies. When I asked about it last year someone told me you do it in Summer.

>>96333588
sponging

>>96332784
>why no upgrade kits?
Didn't they get two through Kill Team?

>>96332918
Post your own models you fag

>>96333834
I like C the most, just don't do B.
Painting black and white together, especially free handing, is a pain in the ass and not a good paint scheme for beginners.

>>96333834
A is so good I started painting my space marine infiltrators in something very similar a week ago.

>>96333834
A or D

>>96333834
I personally prefer to avoid having to many dark colors on the models cause else they don't look too distinct on the table. So i'm more of a fan of A and D

>>96332767 (OP)
im thinking of starting a 500 point lictor army. it would be a vanguard onslaught list with a deathleaper, neurolictor, 2 lictors, and 3 von ryans leapers squads. i think it would be fun to run around and slap peoples balls with feeder tendrils.

>>96333944
Sounds like a good idea anon. Have fun!

>>96333895
Np just wanted to mention it so nobody can accuse you of being fake or something. The more time, the better i guess. At least for some people. Others will start preparing their gift towards end of November anyway, and others might even forget they signed up.

I just looked over your prepared text file, and its clear that you put some thought and effort in there. Personally, i find it too complicated, so i wont join, but maybe thats intentional to keep the worst tourists and other undesirables away.

The week after you close the submissions, suddenly 5+ people ask if they can join late. You should be prepared for that.
Shipping cost from Canada to USA is super expensive, keep that in mind when matching people from those two countries.

>>96332767 (OP)
>TQ
Space Marines Tactical Squad

>>96333893
These are great.

Are you making them? I have a soft spot for water color.

>>96333980
you going to start crying about bolters again?

i'm gonna take a sweaty lictor list to the LGS to bully a WAAC marinefag

>>96333796
No you aren't you have no models

>TQ

I am very bias.


Farsight tau anon, are you still around?

>>96333893
Would make a good gift

>>96333200
Get into recasts then. Its totally understandable that "poorer" countries middle class does not have the income to buy GW stuff regularly, but recasts from china should be within the budget.

>>96333987
No, it's some Frenchie who goes by ArgonausArt. He's got youtube channel. I just think his art is pretty and the little stories are neat. Apparently he makes some of this stuff for his writefag buddies.

>...There's enough reasons to loose your good mood, and Zigouigoui the Pink Horror is close to doing just that. The Color Merchant, who just arrived in a shower of stars, is going to fix everything. All the local pink horrors swarm around his feet.

>“Give us colors, Color Merchant!”

>“Yes! Yes! Give it to us!”

>“Let us have fine attires! Let us have new colors!”

>With grand ceremonial gestures, the Color Merchant hands out pots of color, one for each horror. No luck for Badabok, who douse herself in blue; she splits in two and leaves, sulky but blue. Bidulbuk hits the jackpot: gold!

>“Of course, it had to be the one with a mouth inside the mouth of her mouth who also becomes a golden horror! Not fair!” flaps Zigouigoui, trying to snatch a pot.

>There is only one left, which she opens greedily. Pink... It's a pot of pink! She pour it over herself and stays pink.

>“Refund me for this free pot of color, Color Merchant! Even Roploplo got a better one than mine! Look! She got a half-brown pot!”

>“Yes, I see, Zigouigoui. And now she is pink in the front and brown in the back...” nods the Color Merchant, walking away.

>“I'm such a zero!” rages Zigouigoui, who can't even manage to feel sad[...]

>>96331529
I don't want a 3d printed proxy of that model unless it's a 1:1 scan

GW should make a non-imperium human faction. There are human worlds that aren't a part of Imperium. So let's have some form a confederacy that can hold their own for a bit and take on Imperial and xeno invasion fleets. You could even include some minor xeno allies, there are Kroot all over the galaxy and add some new minor xeno race specific to them. Plus they wouldn't be as xenophobic as Imperium so you could have young red blooded human males having sex with Eldar, T'au and other xeno women in the lore, the human x alien interspecies bit can sell especially if the new xeno species is hot. Some mass effect in our 40K would do well.

>>96332767 (OP)
Who are the Gladiator Cadre 331 of the Emperor's Children?

>>96334068
Fuck off retard

>>96334068
that sounds gay

>>96334082
HFY chudcel spotted

>>96334001
He posted the other day when we were orangeposting

>>96334068
Good news, GW just made Votann - a non-imperium human faction.
>hurr votann arent humans
They basically are though. You're so lucky to get what you want - the rest of us beg for scraps

>>96334068
Its called Chaos

>>96334068
>GW should make a non-imperium human faction.
Wassup.

>>96334095
>there are no good guys in 40K
>this guy is morally equal to Joe Shmoe from hiveworld industrial hellhole #10338372 fighting to protect his only daughter from ending up chopped up and eaten by said chaos butcher

>>96334087
>HFY
>Chudcel
Do people really think HFY is chud material? Its just jerking off about being space heroes

>>96334068
That's just what rogue traders do

>>96333992
How sweaty? And lictor heavy lists can be beaten by marines if they’re a little lucky.

How come theres no chaos necrons? Or chaos xenos at all for that matter?

>>96334104
Yes. Now gimme.

GW should make a non-imperium human faction, but make them a secual humanist atheist federation that has modern values. And have them be a threat to the Imperium by mass converting worlds by teaching them religion and totalitarianism are bad and show them human rights and proper secular morals which draw in the sufferingbmasses from the Imperium.
They would be smaller but much more scientifically advanced and prosperous.
And also get tech from Eldar since they wouldn't be anti-xeno.

>>96334102
Maybe this chaos butcher saw joining a guard regiment as the only option to defend his only daughter from the orks? Higher ups made the decisions to let his regiment starve, and the men became so desperate they accepted supplies from some Alpha Legion depots in exchange for a change in leadership?

>>96334110
bunch of lictors, broodlords and deathleper with a bunch of genestealers and lepers on vanguard invasion

>>96334116
>How come theres no chaos necrons?
Chaos androids exist. That may not be what you mean though.

>>96334126
That is the imperium as founded.

>>96334134
don't forget raveners and mawlocs!

>>96334122
Just fluff out your rogue traders to be turned renegade and build around that. You don't need gws permission to make /yourdudes/ cool

>>96334134
Into an unsuspecting Calgar/Guilliman net list you should be okay but watch out. You’re gonna have a hard time bringing down dreadnoughts even with all the stealers if he keeps you screened and munching little guys.

>>96334142
Nah imperium wanted to subjugate or destroy all xenos and weren't democratic secular humanists, they were human supremacist totalitarians.

>>96333992
I'm gonna take a sweaty lictor gf to the cookout to bully my dad

>>96334068
>>96334126
GW should just make more Xenos.

>>96334174
Zoats soon

>>96334174
GW should make a bunch of cool one off xenos and shove them in kill team and the Tau Auxilia. Then maybe later on make an 40k dogs of war codex.

>>96334126
If modern GW made this they would be the new main characters since the already politically charged writers would just use them as a veichle for "my politics are superior to those of the pesky right wingers which identify with imperium"

>>96333836
>it would be kinda odd for them to do 2 CSM teams in succession.
Something something year of chaos

>>96334068
>GW should make a non-imperium human faction.
Sure, I've said it once and I'll say it again, the best way to portray the imperium as a frightening regime, is to show it oppress otherwise free humans.

>Plus [interracial sex lol]
dude, porn is rotting your brain

>>96334126
So just off-brand Weyland-Yutani Presents Hiigara ft Luke "Masterchief" Atreides?

>>96334122
Where is your creativity Anon? There are countless of miniatures out there, you can convert and mix and kitbash pretty much everything.

>>96334116
>How come theres no chaos necrons?
They lack souls.
>or chaos xenos at all for that matter?
They exist, just without models. For example there's chaos eldar both in the dark eldar books and on Croneworlds like pictured here.

Do (you) give your sergeants cute nick names?

>>96334218
>the best way to portray the imperium as a frightening regime,

The thing is, they dont want to do that any more. The Imperium is the brave and noble and good blue and gold supermen.

>>96334231
I have the minis. I need a codex that lets me mix guard with xenos.

>>96334222
more like star wars rebels

bringing back dune and dystopic corporations would quickly recreate the same grimdark imperial stuff, and they cannot have more advanced tech than the votann because they're the daot human faction already

>>96334246
Says who? Even the most recent BT codex says Grimaldus poured acid vats into a ship's lower levels, melting thousands just to kill a couple cultists

>>96334126
Christchuds and paganchuds would seethe

>>96334246
you're an invader whining about something you've never read or participated in

>>96334264
>star wars rebels
Imagine the buckets of cum Ezra is depositing into Sabine's pussy post timeskip

>>96334263
CHAOS

>>96334164
nah i know what he takes, 3 gladiator lancers is what is the biggest thing in his army

>>96334280
I don't see how that would give me what I want.

>>96334267
But that's Black Templars who are the chud marine faction, Ultramarines are the enlightened heroes alongside Yiffs and Salamanders

>>96334267
He poured holy sanctified acid on a deck with some frenzied zealots against Word Bearer marines. Not thousands and not just simple cultists.

I have no clue what I’m gonna do with this guy. Other than fill the gaps on his jump pack. Every fucking tau vehicle has fucked up vents.

>>96334302
>has fucked up vents.
They're knees

>>96334264
But we already have plucky blue-collar partisans with a diverse array of forehead ridges.

>>96334288
>Spamming lancers.

Give him hell bug man.

>>96334304
Don’t.

>>96334218
No, human men fucking alien women would improve the setting by a mile.
Imagine a 2 thousand year old waise experienced and haughty Eldar Farseer being conquered by a freshly matured 16 year old human male guard conscript and goes from wise stern mystical elf woman to worshiping his human cock when they are alone, not caring how taboo it is, or that his species is considered superior. He has proven the charm and strength of a noble young human soul to her and all disgust faded and she spread her legs open for the young buck to claim his prize and bite into the forbidden fruit.

>>96334187
>dogs of war
Anyone thinking about, talking about, hobbying about, anyone nearby or owning fantasy Dogs of War is extremely based.

GW should make a human faction that is even more extreme than the Imperium, Chaos and Drukhari combined.
Edge factor lvl 999999 their veichles operate on the souls of infants that were tortured to death in the flayrape pits. Their weapons are fed with crystalized tears of puppies that underwent milimiter by milimiter flaying and acid melting. Every father butchers their forstborn son and rapes his forstborn daughter to make an offspring with her which is sent to the soul fuel torture factories etc.

>>96334338
This but great green cocks into sisters of battle, fire warriors, and eldar guardians.

>>96334315
he's a WAACfag who has no clue on "competitive" and loves discussing win rates, powerful combos etc

he says he has imperial fists, but its all unpainted and has pedro kantor in his army to buff his bladeguard

>>96334068
You reminded me of the Severan dominate anon and his laziness. Wouldn’t be surprised if he abandoned this general given how bad it has been lately.

>>96334363
thats literally just chaos

>>96334363
that's just chaos again

>>96334388
>>96334395
Nah they just kill people with different colors (plaguerino, blooderino, magicerino, raperino)

>>96334380
My time is limited due to extra work that ramped up.
At most I’ve been able to make some diy acrylic washes for the SRD battle bible project.
And for myself really.
At least I’m getting more money for this hobby.

lads i'm still a bit of a newfag to 40k and the lore but i've noticed primaris marines get a bit of hate depending on who you ask. What gives? is it because of the helmet design or just a hate of the idea of marines getting a powerup that only fuels faction powerlevel discussion?

>>96334376
anon codex marines that aren't UM are the worst army in the game by far
taking pedro means you're not waacfagging in the slightest

>>96334515
The power up part.
It contradicts a lot of marine lore but they and contrast paints were necessary to save gw from shutting doors for better or worse depending on who you ask.

>>96334515
This is one of those "I could have googled it and the dogshit AI would have come out with a concise answer." type questions.

>>96334542
I hate contrast paints

>>96334542
i see, i wasn't aware that GW was at a bad state at one point but i guess it's expected since the game is pretty old and that's how business is sometimes

It wasn't that long ago that specific flavors of renegade marines were allowed to have token rules.

>>96334363
Drukhari are actually much more well reasoned and less edgy than chaos and often ally with other factions including the Imperium.

>>96334567
Okay. What do you want me to do with this information?

>>96334376
>waac
>literally not playing anything waac
if he was playing ultramarines super friends, stormlance dreadnought delivery system, or maybe one of the Not! blood angels style horde lists, I could see him being waac
but Pedro is a shitty buffer for bladeguard, adrax is the best, lt is probably number 2 and judiciar number 3 (he's just better in assault marines as a cheap heroic int unit)

>Fulgrim improved upon space marine geneseed
>is branded a heretic
>Belisarius Cawl improves upon space marine geneseed at the same time
>is a hero
Stupid.

>>96334620
Surprised there isn’t a Martian civil war over Cawl being an innovator heretic.

>>96334620
>Fulgrim
it couldn't have possibly been the being possesed by a demon, anal sex, rapes, orgies, and flaying that lead to Fulgrim being considered a heretic

GW should add SM/CSM chapter style standalone subarmies to xenos too
Different main dynasties for 'Crons
Craftworlds for Eldar
etc
Just add a few unique units and a unique army rule and rest are reskins from main faction.

>>96334650
no one plays those factions, so no

>>96334653
'Crons are popular lying fleshling

>>96334663
popular with lameoids

>>96334620
>Fulgrim improved upon space marine geneseed
no he didn't

>>96334541
no thats the point
he THINKS he's hot shit and fielding some uber meta army because X combos with Y and he wont shut up about win rates etc and just bullies newer players with it because they have no real clue what to do

>>96334619
see >>96334684

>>96334620
Didn't he and Fabius just use Xeno material to "enhance" his soldiers?

>>96334684
you should table him with an inquisitor army, because they have a 38% winrate and it would cause immense amounts of seethe
if you bring nids he'll just cry that they have a 50% winrate
you always got to use the Dan strategy with these types of fags

>>96334707
DNA is just strands of various amino acids anon. Whether they're "Xeno" or not makes no difference.

>>96334713
he also plays death guard as his primary army so he has no ground to talk

>>96334719
not only are you scientifically inaccurate irl, you're scientifically inaccurate in 40k and that says a lot

>>96334728
Prove it

>>96334742
I saw it in a dream

>>96334015
They absolutely are and they aren't that bad either. Plenty of national recasters are showing up as of late with pretty cheap bargain bin prices and relativly good quality. I have a personal theory GW might be testing the grounds to set up shop here due to a sudden boom in 40k being relevant here again but im unsure if they will lower the prices to meet demands

Who dat?

>>96334707
>Didn't he and Fabius just use Xeno material to "enhance" his soldiers?
Hello based department. I have someone you need to speak too.

>>96334713
so for example he'll take 3 gladiator lancers, because they're good
but he doesn't know how to build a list around them and only wins due to having more knowledge of the rules than other players, as they are new
he also plays deathguard, custodes and tyranids

>>96334542
Bullshit, because that would imply that sales numbers of paints are somehow more significant than miniature sales.

>>96334719
Aeldari and Orks don't have double-helix gene design
Necrons have no genomic structure army all
Tau and Kyn are silicon based life forms
Tyranids and Kroot use a simple form of self-replicating proteins with third-order folded architectural proteasomes for recoding other generic formats for cross compatibility
Vespids are actually all organic plastic drones with no cellular structure that come from a synthetic hivequeen that prints them in clades

>>96334776
I don't think it's the paints themselves whose sales saves the company so much as the perceived ease with which an army could be painted because of their big marketing push for contrast paints that started a whole bunch of people into the hobby around the 8th edition launch. Their profit margin on paints isn't even close to the margin they make on all of their plastic products.

>>96334776
There was a podcast of peachy and an ex citadel guy who was in the paint department. He mentioned that gw was close to closing and contrast paints were out with primaris so they both saved gw.

>>96333376
I mean why should any non-vehicle be above t8? The current nunbers creep isn't a good thing.

>>96334761
Why does he have juice pumping into him? Is that a thing in the lore?

>>96334798
GW was never close to closing.

>>96334760
>but im unsure if they will lower the prices to meet demands

They will never ever lower their prices.

>>96334808
Proofs?

>>96334798
That notion is always idiotic because all the newfags coming with 8th had little to do with changes to marines they can't possibly know about and way more about the massive policy changes they made in 2016 after changing CEOs.

>>96334808
okay /v/ermin

>>96334801
Like basically all EC he's all the way in on using narcotic performance and/or sensation enhancers.

>>96334801
If I recall, he has a unique concoction of combat drugs distilled from tyranid adrenal glands, drukhari stimulants, and astartes pain inhibitors

>>96334808
According to them they were weeks away from bankruptcy

>>96334808
how new are you

>>96334828
This was very informative. I now have new items for my RT to acquire.

>>96334829
>>96334828
Thats cool

>>96334801
Lucius pumps his body so full of polymorphine (A drug He became immune to millennia ago) that anyone who cuts him becomes so overdosed that they inevitably turn into him. Slaanesh finds this very amusing and helps the process along whenever Lucius dies, making it permanent as a replacement

>>96334834
And this never made it into their financial reports, how?
This company makes healthy profits for years, and if that would be true, you could see that in their annual report.

Craftworld Eldar? More like FARTWORLD SMELLDAR LMAO

>>96334834
GW has massive runnin costs due to having more than 500 physical stores around the world. GW would start closing down most of them way before bankrupting.

>>96334828
It's still bullshit that they took away combat drugs from commorites and gave them to chaos space marines instead

>>96334834
Absolutely not, they weren't doing well but they'd have closed stores and done layoffs before an actual collapse

>>96334837
I'm here long enough to know that podcasts with peachy are no trustworthy source.

>>96334845
GW was suffering at the time, but very far from bankrupting. They started downscaling production a lot to save money, which is why they killed every game except 40k and tried AoS as a hail mary.

Gets

>>96334854
CSM and Deldar had them at the same time when I started. Aside from Lucius my understanding is CSM no longer have them. When did deldar lose them?

>>96334849
>>96334856
This. Of course they made quite some money with contrast, and it was probably pretty unexpected for them too. But they would have been incompetent to the maximum if they really were that close to bankruptcy and did not act in a noticeable way to counter that. Really shows how much bullshit people are willing to believe when it's about "their" hobby.

>>96334864
What games did they kill? Necromunda? Warcry? Underworlds? Blood Bowl? Lotr?

>>96334882
Warhammer Fantasy Battles

>>96334847
remember when game grumps said the n word?

>>96334882
Fantasy blood bowl mordheim necromunda etc etc

>>96334893
none of those are dead outside of fantasy

>>96334890
Contrast release was in 2019.
They released AoS in 2015. How was killing WHFB related to their apparent almost bankruptcy in 2019, from which the paints saved them? And what games were killed in 2018/19 to counter the bankruptcy?

Are perry miniatures close enough to heroic scale to be stand in guardsmen?

>>96334893
In 2019?

>>96334900
Not at all

>>96334898
Their was no apparent bankrupty. The made a profit in both 2018 and 2019. You realize their financial reports are publicly available right?

>>96334912
I know that. I am talking with people who claim the opposite.

>>96334906
Fucking bummer.

>>96334843
>so overdosed that they inevitably turn into him
Save for that part is not far off the mark. The chemical compounds Lucius and his warband use to get high also see use as chemical warfare agents. Other Astartes who don't have their extensive history of substance abuse will simply not be able to handle it. This was a plot point in pic related when Fabius the Potion Seller decided to bargain with Lucius to field test some new combat stimulants, because between Lucius's combat veterancy and the tolerance he had built up over ten thousand years of recreationally dosing himself with chemical WMDs, Fabius figured that he couldn't synthesize a more ideal candidate to try his strongest potions on.

>>96334914
They are just full of bullshit ir primarisfags justifying their retarded existance.

>>96334900
Not really. They're a similar scale to lotr stuff. They're like shoulder height to the old guardsmen

>>96334918
Check fireforge, Northstar, victrix and wargames Atlantic. Their historical minis are bigger

>>96334926
Thats fucking cool. I guess I just don't like the look of syringes sticking out of him on the model.

>>96334761
Hi, @WarhammerOfficial here! That is the face of the Exorcists' Judiciar Domisor from the #HammerandBolter episode 'Eternal', streaming now on #Warhammer+!

Finished building the Yncarne.
What a fucking pain of a model, hopefully it's easier to paint than it is to build.

>>96334967
Your post reminded me of a question:
If you had control of gw’s twitter for a day what tweets would you make?

>>96334975
I think it could be a nightmare depending on the order you do things in. I might look up a handful of painting tutorials to get an idea of what might work and what might make things harder for your scheme

>>96334975
Its not
>source
Trust me bro

>>96334978
I'd announce the squat of primaris marines, the public execution of Cruddace in the town's square and an apology for how shit 10th is.

>>96334993
>public execution of Cruddace
Thats going a bit too far but I wouldn't mind letting him go from the company along with Aaron Demski-Bowfaggot

>>96334975
I just got done with this fucker myself. He is a pain to construct and paint in general.

Wanting to start Nids with a Vanguard focus. Any tips? Also, is the Boarding Actions box(1 broodlord, 10 Stealers, and 6 warriors) the best box to start with?

>>96334926
>>96334828
Cool stuff.

>>96334938
Well that sucks.
>>96334949
Will do. Victrix for sure has blackpowder troops.

>>96334880
It's just rumour on rumour on rumour so
>GW sales weren't good, they flailed around squatting fantasy, BFG etc to save cash.
>Primaris, Contrast and new CEO saved them
>This turns into they were nearly bankrupt weeks from death due to chinese whispers

>>96335000
Please. I think we all need ADB to leave. I don't even think he does stuff for 40k anymore, but I still think the man deserves contempt.

>>96335015
What did adb do to abaddon and the black legion?

>>96334938
What scale is MESBG if not 28mm? 20mm?

>>96335020
He wrote them poorly.

>>96334978
I'd post the release date of Fires of Cyraxus.

Whats the origin of the helldrake?

>>96335047
25.

>>96335000
That's what he deserves. He publicly admitted that power levels were so unpopular they were gonna remove them only to turn points into power levels in the next sentence.

>>96335061
Did they never release it?

>>96334984
I made the mistake of building the swirl on the bodh first, on top of missing one of the pieces of hair that was meant to be put initially on the base.
I literally lost the side horn, I was trying to judge the positioning of it and it slipped right out of my fingers into the void. It's just gone.
>>96334990
>>96335001
Well fuck. It really is a stupidly busy model now that I've got it in front of me.

>>96335069
Not only that, they stopped making IA entirely despite being the best 40k products.

AD MECH KILLTEAM WHEN!? Also new Nightbringer mini looks fucking sick.

Just made another one, of this badboy today
>15mn of painting so I guess I'll finish them all tomorrow

>>96335065
Why?
Isn't 25mm used for historicals?

>>96335130
>AD MECH KILLTEAM WHEN
like 2 months ago

Why am I not allowed to use obliterators in Thousand Sons?

When did GW stop using lead? I have some 1990 metal minis and worried they may contain lead

What is the vidya or mod or whatever besides Tabletop Simulator that came the closest to capturing 40K TT gameplay?

>>96334978
Is announce a fifty percent price decrease and watch as gw engages in complete damage control after the tweet is revealed to be a lie.

Whats the best paint brand for minis? I'm not afraid to buy citadel paints but if I'm gonna spend that much I might as well make sure im buying the best.

>>96335169
I use proacryl, ak, and armypainter’s washes diluted with their speed paint medium.
Proacryl is great but their nozzles are terrible.
Ak interactive is pretty good and dethroned Vallejo because Vallejo has a bubble problem. Not sure if that has been fixed yet.

>>96335179
>Vallejo has a bubble problem.
When did that happen?

>>96335169
The brands all have their own pros and cons but I think the most consistent range besides citadel is vallejo. Just about any of the main brands is fine though just avoid army painter if you can.

>>96335191
Relaunch of Vallejo game color like two years ago and model color had the same issue. Not sure if Vallejo fixed it.

>>96335200
They must have, I picked up some game colour the other day and I've had no bubble issues.

>>96335162
Tabletop Simulator

>>96335204
Then it’s all okay to use Vallejo paints then.
I really like their game color skin tone paints.

Scale 75 is good I hear

>>96335204
Good. I've been out of the hobby a bit, but I loved Vallejo paints. Would have been a bummer if they went tits up.

>>96335214
they killed their paint line with the avante shift this spring

how's this boarding actions list look

In 2013-2014 GW's revenue dipped below £120m, and it was only making ~12m in profit per year. Sales were down, and return on capital employed dropped as well.


To put things into perspective, GW is selling around ten times as much as they did back in the 6th/7th edition. 40k 7th was arguably even a flop - sales were dropping during the 7th ed launch. 2015 saw a pretty big increase in sales with AoS dropping, but it died quite quickly and the company stagnated around that ~16m profit figure. Losing sales and only barely managing to remain even after cutting all stores to one-man operations was tricky and the stock price reflected it - if you are doing massive cost-cutting but remaining the same in terms of profitability, the company is going to die.

However, in 2017, revenue increased by a solid 25% and profit more than doubled thanks to Primaris. This growth continued, with revenue going from £158,114,000 in 2017 to £219,870,000 (and profit again nearly doubling from 38m to 75m) in 2018. From there, the growth began to slow but was still constant, growing about 10% a year in both revenue and profit from 2018-19, another 10% profit increase in 2019-2020.

People often talk about the huge Covid bump GW got but even that (~60% profit increase yoy and some 40% revenue increase yoy) was still smaller than the massive Primaris boost.

Games workshop was floundering and cutting costs everywhere it could just to break even, but Primaris caused 40k to explode in popularity, revenue and profit. This is an objectively true statement as told by GW's own stock reports. Current GW sells over 5 times as much as they did in 2014, which was the release of 7th.

tldr PRIMARIS IS KING and SAVED 40k

>>96335234
Bretty gud. Your bladeguard might get bodied tho. Make sure you shoot through doors.

>>96335247
>saved 40k
but did it really? was the game being dumbed down saving it?

Fuck primiraniggers. The game dying would have stopped GW from cocking it up for a decade.

>>96335169
Citadel is mostly good but very expensive. Their creams and whites are shit though.
I've heard good about proacryl for whites and creams.
Armypainter seems to get very mixed reviews, depending on the exact paints.

>>96335258
>>96335256

the most likely outcome of GW going bust was it being bought by Disney or Hasbro

>>96335247
Thank you Primaris.
>other factions sell more just so people have something besides primaris to play with/against
Again thank you primaris.

>>96335266
proacryl light colors are godlike and the rest of the range is great too but it's limited on options
army painter fanatics are genuinely in the top 3 ranges with proacryl and TTC these days

>>96335247
It wasn't just primaris but also new leadership with a much less retarded view of their own business.

>>96335266
>Armypainter seems to get very mixed reviews
Not a fan of it. It's not unusable, but its not some gucchi premium shit either. The washes and metals are better than the base paints.

I played a game vs Angelic Host Blood Angels today. How does one play against very fast and oppressive armies as Genestealer Cults? I know it's a hard match-up but what's the best one try to do?

>>96335077
Update; found the side horn while building the Visarch.
The Terrible Trio is built. Gonna prime tomorrow and hopefully paint this week.

>>96335247
>thanks to Primaris
it was actually just the fresher 8th ed rules
and the start collecting! boxed deals
and then contrast paints
and also aos getting an actual ruleset

>>96335284
Yvraine's base is xbox hueg

>>96335293
Dat ass needs a lot of support.

>>96335293
It's actually fuckin weird seeing her get the weird ass base while Visarch doesn't even get a 40mm.
Been extremely tempted to rip the dumb cat off her base.

>>96335266
In my experience army painter is really lackluster. One of the worst sins of the company is the outright lie that their primers are 100% colour matched to the same paint from their range. Honestly it feels like AP is focusing on the DnD model crowd rather that proper wargamers. For them the price is what matters not quality.

>>96335283
Give us the battle report anon.
Honestly you might be the most experienced GSC player in the thread.

>>96335136
Based and heavy use of gloss varnish pilled.

>>96335300
I think all the Eldar models were like one base size smaller than they should be just to differentiate them from marines. They only started pushing them up a size with their refresh after 8th edition and Visarch is form before that.

>>96335247
>sales were dropping during the 7th ed launch
Not having a new starter set, 6th being just 2 years old when it ended and the whole weird itunes thing had a lot to do with this.

>>96335316
>itunes thing
I remember itunes. What happened with itunes and GW?

>>96335247
Let's forget the myriad changes GW saw in 2016/2017, those don't count. Only primaris matter! Retard.

>>96335316
>itunes thing
Explain?
I dropped out in 5th and came back in 9th

>>96335316
It's a bit of a shit situation because 7th was essentially just a patch for 6th because 6th was genuinely unplayable dogshit

>>96335321
Prove it

>>96335266
Army painter is hot garbage. I only ever see it shilled by that dude who chases troops, goofy goobertown or w/e.
Citadel, proacryl, ak are all great. Ak is also the most racist paint brand so they have that going for them.

>>96335316
This was still during the retarded allies and detachment shenanigans right? Fucking fortune and guide working on tau was cancer of the worst kind.

>>96335319
They started releasing every book digitally... On itunes. For whatever reason. I'm pretty sure the 7th edition core book being split into three and its weird formatting had something to do with that.

>>96335321
the changes like launching their most popular edition of 40k to date?
I wonder what units could have possibly dropped with such an edition...

>>96335335
The sick fucking Deathguard.

>>96335313
Even now farseers and spiritseers are on 25mm

Hi anons, working on my Beastpack proxy since I've given up hope on them being refreshed. For my Clawed Fiend, I like his top carapace but I'm not sure what to do for his more fleshy underbelly. What do you all think - Grey or should I go full fleshtone? Flesh tone with a grey drybrush on top?

>>96335330
Wtf i love ak now

How do Necrons cope knowing they are just robot clones of their originals and there are no true necron left

>>96335329
The line started going up in 2016. Beyond that, 90% of marines sales are new players. New players can't care about primaris because they don 't know the difference. They only buy primaris because that's what GW sells. If they had sold them firstborn they would have bought those.

>>96335330
>Ak is also the most racist paint brand
Really? I’m curious not that I’ll stop because lgs sells them.

>>96335349
The lack of a functioning brain I expect.

>>96335335
New players weren't buying 8th because of primaris. They did it because late 7th was a bloated carcass and 8th eas way simpler to get into and play. Newfags saw big pauldron spacemen in the cover and thought it was cool, but they would have thought the same if primaris didn't exist and they were shown upscaled firstborn instead, like the deathguard.

>>96335330
>Army painter is hot garbage.
hasn't been true for 19 months now

>>96335331
6th was allies being busted, where Tau took Eldar so that Triple Riptides could strategically nuke anything they saw and instant killed MEQ
It was also flier powercreep where fliers were broken, everything that was anti-flier sucked, nothing could shoot into fliers, and so the only way to counter fliers was to buy a flier. Including highlights like the 12 inch range Helldrake flamer that instakilled MEQ.

6th also had such fun things like units that could only ever be hit on a 6 that also had a 2+ rerollable invuln save. 6th also had STRENGTH D, which was the devil.

7th nerfed a bit of psychic and superheavies and fliers, but not enough, so games got taken over by Wraithknights and Invis-spam. STRENGTH D was still the devil.

>>96335350
No they wouldn't have. You proved nothing besides the fact that YOU are the retard.

>>96335358
No, they saw shiny new marines with fixed proportions and went "wow these look way better"

>>96335361
The tragedy of it all is that 7th's issues were purely codex balance and supplement bloat. The core rules were fine. But those are exactly what they changed in 8th and it's been downhill since.

>>96335360
>19 months
After how many years of being shit? Reputations are hard to change

>>96335369
Again, fixed proportions don't require primaris. Space marines were the best selling faction even with their old proportions. Saying that primaris changing stuff is what brought a ton of people to the game that had never see a space marine before is just retarded. They can't know of those changes unless they were already into it.

>>96335361
Yeah, that sounds about right.

>>96335355
yeah thatll do it

>>96335169
TTC from the GOAT

>>96335343
insider info says don't get too attached to Court or Beastpack

how are there no etsy/print shops with Dark Angel Helmet wings like from the company veteran box. I feel like thats an easy way to make money.

>>96335433
[citation needed]

>>96335433
insider info just flew over my blouse!

>>96335307
>Honestly you might be the most experienced GSC player in the thread.
I'm pretty much a newfag who picked up the game last year and only play at 1000pts due to not having enough models yet (I'm at 1200pts of painted stuff and counting). I don't wanna blame the dice but I was not able to prevent my opponent from scoring, I dealt 7 wounds to his home objective with demo charges and he made 6 5+ saves etc. kinda stuff happened a lot but it's all part of the game. Even when my stuff came with the cult ambush to score objective in later parts of the game, he was able to move 12" and just charged into stuff to get rid of them with ease. I ran out of gas by the 4th turn.
I also wish I went 2nd instead of going first, the mission we played was Take & Hold so scoring at the end of turn works pretty good with deep strike. It also prevented me from gaining a CP with the acolytes with their rules. It was a fun game nonetheless, would play again. Death Company Dreadnought with Magna Grapple rules.
>>96335169
I like Vallejo which I mostly use, I prefer their washes over citadel because once they dry up it's extremely shiny. I only have bubbling issue with Stonewall Grey which I use for the armor of my guys, but you can pop them just fine.

>>96335382
they did primaris because primaris just look better
cope and seethe all you want nomodels, it's the truth

ngl I just thought space marines were knock offs of starcraft in my first interaction with them. Told myself then that I wasnt gonna interact with such low effort garbage after seeing tactical marines, space marine (2011)(( i was more engrossed in red faction for sci fi shit at the time, not that thats important), and how lame some of the books were.
Then somehow phobos marines pulled me in.

>>96335453
No.

>>96335369
Nta but I never understood why people say primaris have "better proportions"

So many times I've seen
>the proportions are better because they're taller
Height isn't proportions.
But forgetting the people who use words they don't understand, it still doesn't make sense to me.

Primaris have huge boots, worse so than older marines, but the crux of the issue is the upper body: older marines had a big torso and big pauldrons, paired with the wide stance and boots it gave them a strong silouhette. But primaris marines? Their pauldrons are the same size, which makes them smaller proportionally, meaning that primaris have a "weaker" upper body. Coupled with the huge feet and busy design of redundant plates/layers, they don't convey the strength that old marines had.


So I ask: how are the proportions "better"? Is it just people taking issue with "non-realistic" poses to the point anything "realistic" is better to them, regardless of visual language/silouhette?

>>96335457
Keep crying, all the data supports me
>>96335459
all the strength firstborn show off with their orb torsos and twig legs
notice your own pic relies on offmodel art to try and make an argument

>>96335459
old marines had the proportions of dwarves
nu marines look like humans

>>96335459
gravis do have better proportions to terminators tho

>>96335454
>ngl
Nah you lyin

>>96335454
So not only are you bad at math, you have horrible taste?

>>96335459
Do primaris ribs need to be that big? It looks like theyre actually worse fighters.

>>96335470
>offmodel
Both of these are traced on existing models.
>>96335471
So it is people confusing proportions and height.

A midget and a child have the same height, not the same proportions, you should know that

>>96335486
>Both of these are traced on existing models.
no, they aren't lmao

>>96335473
Terminators having shoulders at head height isn't a problem of proportions, it's another issue.

>>96335483
Big ribs, thin waist
You know, like humans, very real

>>96335473
>Gravis "hip dysplasia" marines have better proportions than Terminators
O I am laffin

>>96335477
>So not only are you bad at math
huh
>you have horrible taste?
I will admit that I think phobos could probably be re-done but I still think they're cool. Maybe replace the heads entirely with a new updated beak helmet.
Anyways if traitor guard/lost and the damned from 4th lived to 10th I think I would have picked that over marines. Maybe.

>>96335494
>no they aren't
>pic unrelated

>>96335486
>A midget and a child have the same height, not the same proportions, you should know that
Yes, that's what I said.
Old Marines had the proportions of dwarfs.

>>96334967

M41 ERA INDOMITUS
>On a nameless world, the Exorcists' Judiciar Domisor strikes down Lucius the Eternal. So encouraged by his mentor Liminas, after the battle Domisor scarcely wastes a heartbeat before, within his Chapter's hidden fastness on that lost world, he secludes himself for further training to join the Chaplaincy in full. His burning ambition quickly sputters. In his exercise rites, he feels the tug of unfamiliar muscle memory. He finds scars on his flesh, and he cannot recall where he earned them. And yet, despite his growing sense of impending doom, and his Judiciar's vow of silence, several times he catches himself almost proclaiming his martial excellence, seemingly to no one at all. Having lost faith in himself, Domisor takes up his blade to cut his doubts away, for the Chapter if not for his own salvation, but he glances the blade's mirror, and the grin in the mirror is not his own.

>Shortly the Exorcists' dungeons echo with the blaring of alarm klaxons, the clanging of brandished weapons, and the wails of tortured souls. Like a reaper's scythe Lucius deals swift death to all within. Last of all falls Liminas; the Chaplain, stunned at the sight of Domisor's screaming visage trapped in the Eternal's armour, is cut down with lackadaisical ease.

>>96335352
Ak released an art book using their products to create dioramas. Some of these were based on African genocides, Haiti baby throwing, and the holocaust. Reddit got very butthurt, it was funny.

>>96335502
Confidently said, but still wrong

>>96335499
Oh so you're blind when it comes to proportions
that makes a lot of sense actually

>>96335459
Primarisfags need to pretend that the firstborn proportions on the models are how they were supposed to look and not just outdated and inaccurate models rhat can be fixed wirhout changing 80% of the entire faction. Firstborn looked great in the art and all the updated chaos marine models prove those designs work great with more accurate proportions.

>>96335518
I don't think you should call others blind when you fumble an edit this badly

Next time take it easy, don't rush your bullshit

>>96335551
thank you for proving my point lmao

>>96335551
You really are blind

>>96335508
>>96335537
That book always felt to me like the bad side of history crammed into one book and going extra edge because why not and redditors in kind played the modern satanic panic pearl clutching role.

>>96335527
Well, urm... Dwarf you see... It's too small... It reminds me of my crippling insecurities...

>>96335544
this looks like shit and also doesn't look like a blood angel, tho

>>96335169
If I was stuck on an island and could bring one range and one range only it would be AK gen 3

GW pots suck.
Vallejo new formula bubble issue is not a meme and is annoying to deal with.
Scale 75 is great but gel medium and not a daily driver brand
I heard Army Painters new range is great but I used their first range and it sucked so much I associate their name with trash and can't be bothered to buy their new one
don't have as much experience with p3 and others

>>96335544
>you have gained bronzouf

>>96335544
stormcast?

>>96335552
>>96335555
>arr rook same

>>96335565
yes? Them having hilarious bellbottoms and twig thighs has been a complaint for literal decades

>>96335565
Why do space marines love low-rise bellbottom pants so much?

>>96335544
Cool design
But no mini
>>96335560

>>96335560
lel

>>96335569
>yes?
No, actually, bad eyes, bad


>>96335571
It was a conscious decision, that we know
I'm sure there's an interview out there, I don't remember the words

>>96335581
are the tears in your eyes from people insulting the models you don't own causing this error in your vision or what?

>>96335571
>low-rise bellbottom pants
Imagine if they had also had cool sneakers.

>>96335586
Yawn, cry about it

>>96335591
>n-no u
as always with your mentally deficient ilk

>>96335599
>still going

>how to paint a dopefiend by AK
heh

Since I'm going to need a new can of black primer soon, what should I get to replace my Army Painter can?

>>96335630
Probably something that sprays black primer

>>96335630
proacryl black is silky smooth
same for colour forge (cause they helped with the proacryl formula)
if you have an airbrush the molotow one4all black refill is a fantastic surprisingly durable primer

>>96335630
Get one of those airbrushes with portable compressors from Temu or Aliexpress, some Vallejo or AK black primer, some airbrush thinner and isopropanol for cleaning stuff and don't ever bother with spray cans anymore. The airbrush will probably die but you can just replace it for $3-4 and keep using the compressor.

>>96332971
>>96333078
On Facebook there are a good amount of people who play 40k in Baja California I live near there. Usually only one big group per each large region tho. So there are warhammer players just near the border usually since it's hard to source stuff it seems. I'm trying to get my cousins into it and I've gifted them a bunch of models and had to also get them hobby supplies since some of the stuff is hard to find in their area. So yeah people are into it but the barrier of entry is way harder than in the west.

>>96333244
The reason the gov in Latin America doesn't stop the cartels is because they are the cartels. Pic related

>>96335569
>twig thighs
Honestly that was pretty much contained to forgeworld. GW models have always been thicker.

>>96335695
>Honestly that was pretty much contained to forgeworld
not really no

>>96335718
I don't see the issue.

whats your thoughts on my 500 point nids list. is this fair for a 500 point game?

>>96335739
500 is pretty dumb.. should just play boarding action. its actually fun.

>>96335718
Terminators looked dumb

>>96335739
Its fine. A tervigon is pretty big for 500 points though. I agree with >>96335756
Boarding actions is balanced around smaller games and is actually quite fun.

>>96332767 (OP)
For a starter army , how are black templars?

>>96335718
I don't think you understand how think the FW marines were.

>>96335763
You shut your whore mouth. Unless you aew talking bout the first plastic release. Those little shits were tiny.

>>96335773
yes FW was worse I'm not saying they weren't
but GW marines always had twig legs too

>>96335773
lmao chickenlegs shouldnt have skipped leg day

>>96335766
Very good.
>leadership very high so you dont have to worry about battleshock very much
>have access to almost the entire marine range so you can answer any threat
>have unique units good for specific playstyles
>lots of support
You gonna have a good time.

What if we had Sisters of Battle on bikes?

>>96335775
You can't deny it anon. They were ass.

>>96335793
Games Workshop would sell them for money

>>96335792
Thanks for the info

>>96335800
Arms placement aside, the design was great and timeless. To the point that even after primaris it has been updated with basically zero changes outside of size ans proportions and fixing the arms. They could have done the same with the other units too.

>>96335800
Nope. They are great.

>>96335812
No worries anon GW needed someone to offload the shit models onto.

>>96335804
that's crazy

>>96335811
all space furry designs are shit

>trying out new paint scheme
>having big doubts halfway through
>finish the model
>it looks dope as heck
Glad I stuck with it, i'm hyped to finish these doods

>>96335839
You're not allowed to just say truths like that. You'll upset people.

>>96335850
Want another truth?
Scout marines (firstborn and primaris) were a mistake then and now.

>>96335893
Scouts are a killteam now so theyre not really used in 40k. That problem kinda solved itself.

>>96335923
>Scouts are a killteam now so theyre not really used in 40k
spoken like a nogames

>>96335940
Do people use space marine scouts in your games?

>>96334126
I agree a non imperium aligned human faction would be interesting. Just make sure they are equally retarded and awful as the Imperium but in their own way. Like the only way they have survived up until now without being wiped out by the Imperium is because they have conspired with xenos and done some very shady stuff to their own people in the bagain for example.

>>96335947
Nta but they’re pretty much a staple in most marine lists.

>>96335961
Ive legit never seen them since 8th.
To be honest any time a unit gets turned into a killteam it disappears from 40k games from what I've seen.

If a culexus assassin charges into a unit that has the psyker keyword (from the character leading it), dumps everything into said character with precision and overkills it, do the attacks spill over to the rest of the group and does all of the damage considered to have dev wounds against the rest of the unit? If that makes sense

>>96335978
Attacks overflow, wounds do not (except mortal wounds, which do overflow).

scouts are the optimal space marine infantry unit and a must take in competitive play

>>96335991
Im so glad I don't play competetively. I dont like being forced to take uninteresting units just to be CoMpEtItIvE

>>96335984
Oh OK so I'd get my opponent to do the wound roll one at a time until my psyker is dead, and then do the rest?

>>96335193
>though just avoid army painter if you can.
nah army painter are top tier now since the relaunch. metalics excepted, they still suck.

>>96336030
>metallics still suck
skill issue

>>96335973
wut
infiltrators and scouts are the first thing added to tons of lists

>>96336011
>infiltrators
>scout 6"
>guerilla tactics
cheap with plenty of tricks to score points. why settle for worse?

>>96336032
I don't think you can skill past large visible mica flakes in the paint.

>>96336053
scout squad is much better and 30 points cheaper
and they're not fuckugly phobos armor models

>>96336062
scouts have the "infiltrators" ability.

>>96336062
>and they're not fuckugly phobos armor models
Well here is something I can agree with.

>>96336061
Lmao maybe you cant. Dont load your brush with the big flakes dummy

>>96336061
I've used almost every fanatic metallic
what you're describing isn't an issue because the flakes are fine

>>96336095
Fine as in adequate or fine as in small?

What does a competitive TSons list look like?
My friend and I are going to go sweaty and he's decided to bring out his knights with a Porphyrion
I've decided to do Magnus with my Lancer but not sure what else to fill it out with other then the characters with the enhancements
I don't own the flying Tzaangors but I know those are pretty pivotal

>>96336102
Youre gonna want 3 mutalith vortex beasts

>>96336101
small

>Tactical Squad doesn’t come with a Lascannon or Multi-Melta
Did they condense Firstborn kits down into one datasheet, or is there some OOP upgrade pack I’m missing?

>>96336095
the ones I've used are glitter compared to good vallejo metallics. it's just not possible for cheap mica-based paints to compete with aluminium. maybe they're good relative to other cheap paints but I can't recommend the winner of the special olympics.

I just came from a game where I tried the malignant + putrifier + shooty plague marines ball and holy fucking shit, I took down a maleceptor, almost cleared a unit of 10 gants and killed 3 Von Ryan leapers in one shooting phase splitting fire.

>>96336126
They used to come with them.

>>96336130
I currently use all Citadel metals. What're some good vallejo metals I can pick up?

>>96336136
Ah lame, at least I can give someone a Grav Gun now though

>>96336122
Ok i guess thats alright.

>>96336138
Citadel metals are fine. The pots they come in are just terrible which is why I looked elsewhere.

When is the Grey Knights update?

>>96336177
>The pots they come in are just terrible
This is why I detest citadel. I can deal with pricy. I can't deal with pots designed to fail and dry your paint out.

>>96336178
2029 as part of the closing act of 11th edition where they make Grey Knights and Custodes fight over the star child

>>96336178
Right after deldar refresh.

>>96336189
Which is coming soon. You can feel it.

>>96336188
>where they make Grey Knights and Custodes fight over the star child
Is that the one where they round up all the Emps children and sacrifice them to heal Big E, or the one where its his shell reborn and they have to kill the vessel on the throne to transfer his soul?

>>96334068
you want a less powerful version of the Tau

>>96336200
The on where the King in Yellow fights the Crimson King over the Dark King rising to fight the Silent King for the title of Space King

>>96336217
All Hail Space King!

>>96332918
>Old wound allocation

I think we can bring back just enough granularity without going all the way back to that by expanding the current wound chart by one step.

S triple T = Automatic
S double T = 2+
S greater than T = 3+
S equal to T = 4+
S less than T = 5+
S half T = 6+
S one third T = Cannot Wound

I like Tzaangors

Bake new thread?

>>96332918
Oh yes let's change it so much just to fuck with people and bring back in more shit that results in endless arguments, and im someone who actually played during 3rd / 4th! This would piss off most of the current fan base anon, gw wouldn't commit commercial suicide like that

>>96336177
If you actually use your paints they don't dry out that fast. People will leave a pot untouched for half a decade and then wonder why the paint has separated and dried

The fact that they alienated the keyword rules for Space Wolves to only be their unique units instead of all SM units has somewhat killed my interest in the army.
For me the fun of an aesthetically unique chapter is to envelope normal units into their aesthetic, but now it feels punishing to use units that aren't "True Space Wolves"

>>96332918
I'd like to see cover saves make a count back, im sick of opponents shooting something because they can see a foot or a tiny piece of armour plate, getting benefit of cover only for it not to count as the ap of the gun they are firing with negates all of it

>>96336498
yeah, it sucks. i wish they would come out with more upgrade sprues for chapter unique versions of the basic units.

We are overdue for a new bread

>>96336126
Didn't the really old ones only come with a rocket launcher and maybe a plasma gun?

>>96336486
Guess he could use glaze medium or something if its too thick / dries too fast

Sooo close to being done with my flawless blades. How was your weekend?

>>96336595
But this general told me that flawless blades were shithouse

>>96336595
I kind of want to use these as Fabius possessed
Drug fueled rather than demon fueled

>>96336604
I never got the memo. I’m running EC. Did I get memed?

New
>>96336617

>>96336610
Dunno, I dont play EC. They look cool though and that is all that matters

>>96336595
>How was your weekend?
I got distracted playing the old gold box dragonlance games
but I will start painting a daemon prince this afternoon

>>96336595
Lmfao

>>96335459
>But primaris marines? Their pauldrons are the same size, which makes them smaller proportionally

...wait hang on... didn't the judge in the Chapterhouse case declare that GW had an unwritten trademark on large pauldrons due to their usage being synonymous with GW Space Marines?
So, if Primaris' have smaller pauldrons, does that mean that GW doesn't have a trademark on their pauldrons?

>>96335973
Mandrakes are mandatory in dark eldar lists

>>96332970
>Why though? I think it adds a nice lever to balance melee units. Genuinely curious.
I think from a game design perspective its about how much return you are getting from the granularity. More crunch slows the game down. You could run GURPS for every single model on the table if you want, but at a certain point it becomes impractical to play and dare I say it not fun. I think the return on the old WS chart being interactive with other characters wasn't high. If anything I think there would be more theming and storytelling from reworking strength/toughness than hit chance. Shrimplified hit chance as it exists in 10th is in a good place in my opinion, it's wounding and saves that's suffering from not having enough granularity.

>In what way? I never thought psykers were complex, we never had anything like WHFB's magic system.
Personally WHFB magic is my favorite, but I think that it overlaps too much with stratagems and I quite like stratagems as a gameplay mechanic and concept. I think 9th had way too many and 10th slightly too few. I think they should dip a toe back into having strats come from both Army/Detachment/Units without the overload of 40 strats we ended up with.

Take knights for example, Rotate Ion Shields should be an army wide Stratagem that's core to how their army plays and has nice interactivity and decision making from both players. But then characters specific units can come with a unique strat again to add more flavor to what they do. I actually wouldn't mind if psychic abilities just became strats tied to psyker units.

Imagine if you took a Librarian and he had a choice of 3 psychic wargear each one giving him access to a different 1CP "spell". So he can activate Bio Lightning for 1CP. It actually gives psykers a purpose without having to commit to the time inflation of adding an entire other phase. We are talking about adding maybe 1 or 2 strats total.

9th was too much, but I think 10th can lean into strats a bit more than it does.

>>96336953
They are the same pauldron on bigger marines

>>96333472
So Night Lord is going to be companion?

>>96337820
No, he'll be your dad.

>>96337820
Space Marines don't have pps, they get them removed and replaced with faith and loyalty.

>>96334001
I am.

Britbong so timeline got messed up

>>96338143
>north americans get banned
>thread becomes slower, comfier
Huh. Is my kind just inferior?

>>96337820
almost certainly, owlcat always does that