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Reserved list edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ:
What thrills you about the Reserved List? security, scarcity, or just watching the chaos it stirs?

>>96370154
Color pie breaking is going to continue so long as EDH is the most popular format. We got two enchantment killers in mono black in the past year, specifically because players complained they couldn't stop enchantments outside selesnya colors.
Eventually every mono color will be able to do everything, white just got color shifted remand last year too.

>LGS opening a cafe
I can finally live off my store credit.

What commander is to EDH as lasagna is to Italian Cuisine?

>>96370154
White's gotten some pie breaks in its favor, too. picrel is just crow storm but white. and an anthem attached to boot.

>TQ
the best thing about the list is It encourages people to treat Magic cards as collectible assets, similar to vintage comics or sports memorabilia.

>>96370211
Peak edh is in the eye of the beholder, anon.

>>96370211
What is lasagna to italian cuisine?

>>96370220
>What is lasagna to chinese cuisine?

fixed that for you

>>96370198
>specifically because players complained they couldn't stop enchantments outside selesnya colors.
No you retard, we got this because Duskmourn was an enchantment set and black not having any response to any of the runaway value enchantments (I.E rooms) would have put it in the cuckshed for the entire limited format.
>They should have just reprinted feed the swarm for limited!
Yeah ok man take 8 from blowing up my combined unlocked rooms. Fucking commander brains think everything is about them.

>>96370211
Commander is more like EDH's slave name.

>>96370198
I concede reprieve is an egregious break. But getting a colorshifted card you would never use in Ux decks is not the same as black getting playable enchantment removal. W decks would absolutely run feed the swarm for its ability to hit enchantments and creatures at 2cmc.

>>96370213
>Anthem
>Token Generator
Not a break

>>96370240
I think he means 'which' commander (individual card) is to EDH as lasagna is to actual italian food

>>96370211
Damn, Italian sounds good right now.

Reprieve is not a break

>>96370211
A bastardization? Probably one of those primeval or elder dragon reimaginings.

>>96370182 (OP)
>TQ
Personally I love the Reserved List because it's a simple signal from WotC that the gameplay of MtG is not important next to the secondary market. It assures me that no matter how bad things get, my sealed copies of true duals will become more valuable. All WotC has to do is crack down harder on proxies.

>>96370273
Based and red pilled

>>96370267
I see you, trying to impress anonymous shitposters by pretending to know about international cuisine. But unfortunately you are painfully unaware Lasagna is in fact, a traditional Italian dish of well renown, and not an Amerifat bastardization.

Well?

>>96370236
Great point.
What did red get to deal with enchantments again? I forgot.

>>96370213
>pie break
>anthem that creates tokens

What? Is it out of the whites pie to
>cast spells

>>96370304
Yes but not to the extent you unload a stax deck then Mind Twist someone for 7 and say "Well it's how my black deck handles enchantments," in bracket 2 like this dumbass does.

>>96370323
I simply play my fun and janky decks in the same way as my cedh decks.
I would never use demonic tutor to assemble my demonic consultation + thassa's oracle combo in bracket 2!
I would use diabolic tutor to assemble my leveler + laboratory maniac combo in bracket 2. No game changers.

>>96370304
I play Eldrazi. I make big monster swing. I have fun.

>>96370340
I love how the exact same function isn't a game changer because it's slightly more expensive or restricted. Like the various tutors for example.

>>96370313
>What did red get to deal with enchantments again?
Chaos warp and... um. Chaos warp.

>>96370313
To just kill the player. It can't simply ignore threats the way red can by just rushing. The fact that Withering Torment is the black removal spell you think of first as bad game in Duskmourn design speaks volumes about your understanding of this game.

>>96370362
No no, I mean in limited. They had to let black break the color pie so it could function in the enchantment set. I forgot what pie breaks red got to keep it viable.

>>96370364
i hate nowhere to run so fucking much.

its crazy how useful this is both early/late game.

> I play howlsqaud heavy
>Yeah, I destroy that, I can't have you taping for mana in 2 turns when you have max speed
>Other two opponents drop must remove creatures in the same turn cycle like Aurelia.
Reminder, its okay to hold onto removal until the thing that might be a threat is a threat, because something else might drop that's even worse.

>>96370364
>>96370373
I hope it proliferates to the point where people just stop running hexproofed/warded creatures entirely. There's never been a single one that I didn't think was awful.

>>96370394
you will pry hexproof from my cold dead hands.
>shroud
yeah i run greater auramancy too.

>>96370258
It is. White didn't get counter magic until planar chaos, a set specifically designed to break the color pie. Unless you want to argue black getting extra turn spells also isn't a break.

>>96370304
Why do you guys shill this dude so much.

>>96370423
does 'shilling' mean 'complaining'

>TQ
I like Reserved List because half the cards on there are shit mechanically so the less odds of old garbage in the packs I crack, the better. I get to play with new garbage instead

>>96370432
Hate watching is still watching

>>96370419
Black can do anything without breaking the color pie if you add "pay life" or "exile your library" to the text somewhere.
Except (reliably) destroy artifacts.

>>96370405
You are the reason I run so many wrath effects.

>>96370440
>he buys packs
Why would you do that to yourself?

>>96370388
jesus fkn christ I wish my friends understood this.
>I play Duelist's Heritage
>someone immediately plays Erase on it to remove it
>player after him casts Xenagos
>Xenagos proceeds to snowball and win
Wow if only you had some motherfucking enchantment exile! Wow would've been nice to fucking have to prevent you from getting your shit pushed in!! Wow it's not like Xenagos has been chilling in the command zone ready to drop any goddamned second!!!

>>96370182 (OP)
Digimon TCG refugee here because LGS is cutting Digi.
I think I know the game now from watching tutorials and that's about it. I don't know anything about deck building so I'm looking for help finding a decklist and/or direction. The few people at the store said I should maybe look into red and/or green based on my prefered decks in digi. and I like big dragons and guns/cannons/etc if that helps. People were saying there's a set all about dragons but the precons are maybe a bit too complex.
>Just look at decks on a website
I don't know what I'm looking at and I cannot comprehend and parse 100 individual cards with where I'm at. I need some training wheels before I can ride the bike on my own.

>>96370458
>it's not like Xenagos has been chilling in the command zone ready to drop any goddamned second
And you didn't point this out to them or what?

So wait a minute. What happens if I slap this on a colorless creature, does that mean it's basically immune to everything?

>>96370472
it does not have protection against colorless

>>96370446
>Except (reliably) destroy artifacts.
Yet. Give it a few more years.

>that friend who doesn't understand the game and doesn't really try to and makes horrible plays and builds terrible decks and also gets mad when he gets interacted with in any way
How often do you guys let him win? Last time we played I had an angels grace ready to stop his win but i didn't cast it because i wasn't really in a great position to win myself and also because he was complaining all fucking night about not winning the game. It's weird to me because I don't care about "winning" the game at all. I like playing the game, winning is incidental for me

>>96370475
Obviously, but no one but me runs colorless.

>Blackychant 1B
>Instant
>Destroy target artifact or enchantment. You lose 2 life.

>>96370467
honestly just start watching a bunch of MTG content. And i'm not talking about gay "how to play the game" tutorials, just high level play. MTG goldfish has some great videos on youtube called "against the odds" where Seth (better known as saffronolive) pushes the limits of the game in different, unique ways. Watching stuff like that (especially when it's videos of arena) really helps to internalize the clockwork of the game, and the thought process while playing it

as for deckbuilding, you're right, you're too new to build a deck. if you have the money, go ahead and buy a precon and run some games with people, otherwise talk to someone at a store and say that you're new and would love to learn the game and ask if you can play using someone's deck. magic players fucking LOVE feeling like an expert and teaching someone this game, because it's very complex so i guarantee they'll be happy to let you borrow a deck for the night

>>96370487
just remember protection specific rules

Commanders plate wont protect any protection from a wrath. Even if its colored.

>>96370472
it never has protection from artifacts or colorless.
if *your commander* is colorless, it will have protection from white, blue, black, red, and green. it is not dependant on the equipped creature, it checks your commander's color ID; which means if your commander is one color but has an activated ability that includes other colors, it only has protection from the remaining colors. example, in a Yasova deck, Plate grants pro white and black, but not red or blue.

>>96370467
Dragons are easy to work with, especially in red and green. I'm a big red and green player and I started with dragons, too.

Precons are pretty much the best place to start. You get a functional but not-optimal deck right out of the box, with some clear upgrade paths, for a reasonable price.
Despite saying that, I really don't like precons. There are too many players who upgrade a precon a little bit and call it a day. They won't even change the commander. There's no room for expression if you do it like that, and it's easy to get comfortable and complacent if you're a new player with a precon.

If you're a hipster type, I suggest looking around for budget brews. For less than the cost of a precon, you can order good singles and build a whole deck with a fully optimized gameplan, albeit with less-than-optimal card choices. In terms of value it'll be less than a basic precon, but it'll play better and it won't stall out, plus upgrading it won't feel as necessary since it won't have any deck filler cards that precons always come packed with.

Can you be more specific with the kind of playstyle you're interested in and whether you care about uniqueness? A rough budget estimate wouldn't hurt either.

>>96370419
1. Not true.
2. It isnt a counterspell

Hey guys, remember how WotC said they weren't going to reprint GC cards as non-GCs to make more money?
https://scryfall.com/card/spm/9998/gwenom-remorseless
Bolas's Citadel for 5 mana.

>>96370469
Most of the time when I tell someone they're making a bad play, they usually double down because they think I'm attacking their intelligence or something or they think I'm lying even though, yes, infact you can see their must remove commander in the command zone and they're clearly waiting for a removal to go out and be burned or for protection to be played but gotta remove my mana dork instead for some bullshit reason.

>>96370523
I don't even think ants want this image.

>>96370509
different anon adding to this to say building monocolored decks is the BEST way to learn deckbuilding. it really teaches you a lot about the colors, and it's super cheap because you can run entirely basic lands

>>96370529
That's what scryfall uploaded

>>96370523
>Gwenom, Remorseless
>{3}{B}{B}
>Legendary Creature — Symbiote Spider Hero
>Deathtouch, lifelink
>Whenever Gwenom attacks, until end of turn you may look at the top card of your library any time and you may play cards from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.
literally not the same thing as bolas's citadel, it's way weaker

KNOWLEDGE CHECK ALERT!!!!!

ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO NOT BE A JACKASS??

>UNDERWORLD BREACH
>CAST BACKLASH -> CREATURE DEALS DAMAGE EQUAL TO ITS POWER TO CONTROLLER
>RESPONSE: HEROIC INTERVENTION
>I COUNTER MY OWN SPELL
>I RECAST IT FROM THE GRAVEYARD WHILE HEROIC INTERVENTION IS ON THE STACK

was what I did legal?

>>96370523
>has to connect in combat
>until end of turn

NHGREUUUUUUDDDD SO MAACH BETTA WADDA GAMECHANGIR

>>96370523
No i dont remember them saying that nor do I really care

>>96370523
There is non shit version of this somewhere, and its way worse than bolas citadel. Its like saying sothera is the same power level as grave pact.

>>96370549
That just says attacks, it doesn't say it has to deal combat damage to a player or anything.

>>96370552
I have like 2IQ, so bear with me here. Isn't this absurdly good with a zombie deck where you can just keep tossing cheap tokens at the enemy, they die upon being blocked, and then your opponents have to sacrifice their stuff? That or they just let you hit them.

>>96370548
Yes.
Resolving your counter will remove backlash from the stack. All players will then have priority/ pass before heroic intervention can resolve.

it is totally legal to then re-cast your spell which is now in your graveyard, via escape as backlash is an instant. Backlash is now the topmost card on the stack, and will resolve before heroic intervention.

>>96370548
>was what I did legal?
no, it only goes into the graveyard when it tries to resolve

>>96370566
yes, the issue is that Sothera exiles and so the other creatures don't "die" and it also leaves if anyone has an empty board. Grave Pact just sits around and makes people sac when your dudes die, no other strings attached.

Why have non-legendary creatures? Since commander is the only format it makes more cards potential commanders.

>>96370537
Oh wow it really is.

>>96370565
oh shit youre right
today i am a retard
still, its way more fragile and less of a good effect as citadel, especially because she is only "5" mana because she needs to attack on turn 6

>>96370469
Do you have any idea how little people care about thinking ahead? How defensive they get when you tell them they're making a bad play?

>>96370566
Sothera is good, but its not grave pact levels of good. Especially if there's a control player or something at the table, meaning it will always self sac the turn it comes down.

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96370296
>tfw not everyone is an american
Lol you got me

>>96370394
Please leave my MTG waifu alone, her being hexproof is a really cool case of gameplay mechanics and story working great together

>>96370304
Buy an add, fag.

>>96370569
>>96370568
who is more correct...

>>96370614
I have no idea what the other anon is talking about.

if im reading you correctly, you are trying to counter your backlash, so you can cast it again before heroic resolves. That is legal.

701.5a To counter a spell or ability means to cancel it, removing it from the stack. It doesn’t resolve and none of its effects occur. A countered spell is put into its owner’s graveyard.

When your counter resolves, backlash will be put into your graveyard. Then before heroic resolves, players will have priority. With underworld breach on the field, you can escape backlash. As its an instant, and you a player will have priority to cast instants.


not sure i can break it down any simpler.

>>96370576
I honestly dont see why not at this point. The legend rule hardly fucking matters now with so many clones that bypass the legend rule and it feels like 1 in 3 creatures already are legendary. Just go all the way or remove the requirement at this point.

>>96370448
I like to gamble way too much and spending 2k a year on cracking packs is still better than 5 years prior where I'd blow 10k at casinos
>my friends and parents when I actually have started a savings fund with the extra cash I hold back after giving up on casinos, excessive drinking and cigarettes

This dude is wacky. No wonder he's $15 despite seeing zero standard play.

>>96370644
forgor picture

>>96370579
Oh, for sure. Basically only getting a Citadel for your second main phase (and only if it's safe to swing, though having deathtouch will help) isn't quite as great, but having it in the command zone and getting it early will at least partly make up for it. That and the lifelink to help offset the cost of casting whatever's on top. You almost certainly run the actual Citadel as what you hope to hit while casting off the top after combat.
(It could have been worse, it could have been all that and also gate you to only one spell off the top per turn.)

>>96370643
Lol
I quit smoking when I started edh and threw the money I was burning into my decks
>tfw had a $2000 deck after only a year

>>96370656
I have a deck for him, he's very fun and cool.
https://archidekt.com/decks/13628504/ketramove_that_card_to_exile

all I want
really all I want
is a RWB minotaur commander

>>96370656
This guy is a 4x in one of the modern gauntlet decks on mtg
The deck plays like shit imo but what do I know

>>96370673
Wish granted
Shoulda wished for more, retard.

>>96370685
disgusting

>>96370677
I'm just mad amonkhet got shafted and shoved into the wacky racers set, because they didn't think people wanted a full amonkhet 2 set.

>>96370685
>>96370698
>>96370614
>>96370572

You gonna answer the TQ?

>>96370685
This guy is the definition of mid.
>wow you reduce costs by WUBRG
>7 cost
>doesn't do anything else

>>96370698
That does suck
Im far enough behind I didnt even know that
I liked almond cat a lot, i thought eternalize was super neat and trying to make the scorpion king work was fun

>>96370705
I never answer the TQs

>>96370715
whats stopping you?

>>96370713
Eternalize is a great mechanic, I use it quite a bit in my Ketramose deck.

>>96370705
I think this one's dumber than usual, and that's saying something after the last couple.

>>96370705
No, it's not worth replying to.

>>96370667
Man it's crazy to see just how much money you lose on daily vices once you see the net results. Fact I don't get as winded walking around town after I quit is just a nice bonus. Now as soon as I lose about 50 pounds I'll feel really in business

>>96370720
Oh man that reminds me this dude has been on my back burner for literal years
Its time

>>96370644
>>96370656
>pushed slop commander
imagine my shock

>>96370721
>>96370723

Just admit it, you dont play this game.

>>96370724
R u me?
I lost the 50lbs life is so much better
Hopefully you saw a dentist more than I did though, otherwise you are in for a big shock.

>>96370734
Having played it online, I think it feels unique enough
Its not every day you care about how many cards are in exile

I never read the OP.

>>96370713
They did make a new zombie precon at least. It completely ignores the dumb aetherdrift mechanics too, just further proof of how hard the plane got shafted.

>>96370706
Also the +1 +1, that's OK.
That said i still like him in the angel deck I'm working on, since he's not too hard to get out with cost reduction stacking

>>96370745
Yeah it's not like white has a ton of generic goodstuff built around exiling things.

>>96370745
they build him for the Warp one-two-punch

>>96370733
He got a new esper zombie version in the precon >>96370750

>>96370755
But how many of them care about the number of cards in exile, my illiterate friend?

>>96370760
Well that's certainly a modern mtg card lol
Looks fun if a bit like they threw the FIRE kitchen sink at it

>>96370734
Thats literally every new card these days. Standard might as well just be called "direct to commander" sets now.

>>96370736
>you aren't thrilled? you must not play
it is because I play that I am not thrilled.
and because I'm not an idiot, I can also interpret it on another layer of irony and think "oh they worded it like that to provoke people to answer" which is a sentiment I also don't appreciate.

>>96370760
what the fuck are these mummies supposed to be wearing?

>>96370769
He is 5 mana. The backup commander is wayyy stronger.

>>96370388
>Regular pod sees me drop the millennium calendar
>Hear me say 1000 damage and instantly lose their minds and remove it only to have the player after me play Rhystic or tithe

>>96370778
mummy woman harem

>>96370780
they are completely different decks, temmet wants to go wide and play stuff like borrowing 10000 arrows

>>96370770
>standard
Ah yes, I love running x4 of every broken card in the newest set at $60 a pop, on top of having to throw out my decks every few years.

>>96370788
Temmet wants to be a wincon in Varina

>>96370770
>Look up group hug boros decks because its an archetype I haven't made yet in the colors
>This guy was listed under "group hug" on edhrec

>>96370762
Bro who gives a fuck? Just play farewell or whatever flavor of white exile board wipe and call it a day. You're not a mathemagician because you did the exile thing and drew another exile card a couple of times.

>>96370778
Thats pretty standard 'ancient egyptian fantasy' clothing.

>>96370739
My one saving grace is that my teeth are pretty good aside from one sensitive to sugar molar on my right. Even at my worst I always did my due diligence on teeth since my dad has dentures and I did not want to deal with that, ha. Good you losing the weight that said, it's been a pain for me for more than a few years now, trying my best to dial it back

>>96370792
More like every year, after they ban 5+ cards they intentionally printed to break the format. MTG is basically just yugioh since implementing FIRE design.

>>96370733
I was thinking of making this guy as a commander, but I am not sure how good he'd actually be as one. What did you have in mind?

>>96370502
Yeah I plan to watch some games to understand the flow a bit better. I feel like I kind of get the game and I'm not really new to card games. I'm pretty open minded to them.
The people at the store were saying that all these precons at the store were too complex for someone new to the game and "they are all three color, so you'll just get annoyed by getting mana screwed and want to quit." I don't quite understand what that means beyond a google search but sure.
I'm perfectly fine with mass entry on TCGplayer so I'm ok with dropping some money ($100 or so) on a deck that's actually recommended.

>>96370509
Well that's good to hear that there's options.
See above about my thoughts and what I heard about precons. I'd be ok with them but it seems like a majority of them are all 3 colors and I'd rather avoid getting "mana screwed".
In digi I was playing decks that do security attack+, burn, piercing, and vortex. People say this translates to extra burn damage when you connect with face, burn is burn, trample(? you do damage to their life if you beat the guy you attack, digimon's combat and life is very different so Im taking other people's word here), and haste. Which is what was told to me when they said I should look into red and green. So aggro stuff if were using universal terms.
I'm not super concerned about being unique, I'm here asking for premade lists after all.
I'm ok with dropping like $100-200 on a deck. It's not that much of a concern to me. Not to mention at this point every card game costs that much. And to me the words "budget deck" translates to "dogshit deck" so I'm fine with spending a bit more.

>>96370535
That's good to hear and what I'd prefer. Keep it simple to start and then add more colors later. Very similar to digi in this reguard.


Still looking for at least maybe recommended legendary creatures if nobody has a full list.

>>96370805
>tomb kings
warhammer fantasy set when?

>>96370805
That character isn't supposed to be wearing cloth wrappings. The cloth wrappings do nothing if the figure isn't completely encased.

>>96369838
>More people are playing the game so they're making more creatures to fit

>a million gojillion fantastrillion mobillion and two legendaries per year to accommodate for each Atom playing EDH in the observabile universe
>each one picks from the same 4 or 5 busted value slopperinos printed

>>96370811
That shit is why I immediately moved to commander.
>never played mtg before
>buddy says to learn the basics on arena and immediately fuck off to paper with commander
>ask what's wrong with standard
>"How would you feel if you invested thousands into a deck, only for it to disappear on a regular basis?"
>"That's standard in a nutshell"
By comparison, I was shown that commander lets you play basically everything forever, and because of the 100 single cards rule, you actually have to use your brain.

>>96370800
Who cares? You are the one who is complaining about it being slop despite having a completely unique build around. This is FIRE era, you can throw a dart and hit slop, but at least try to understand what that means before repeating it ad nauseam. Sure you probably don't care about making it a creature as much as I did in 60 card, but its still fun to try to get a number of cards in exile asap. I cant think of another deck that tries to do that. Closest thing I can think of is some kind of foodchain deck.
>inb4 its slop because I choose to ignore half of the text

>>96370834
>tomb king
>wfh/oldworld

if only, i would be so happy.

>>96370820
There's a handful of ways to make big tokens or tokens that care about connecting or at least throwing some swords on there
I was mostly building around the imprint cards and cards that make token copies of creatures but make them 1/1s
Iirc theres a weirdly high amount of them

>>96370834
Tell me about it. I would consoom embarrassingly hard for TKs or lizardmen.

>>96370828
>"they are all three color, so you'll just get annoyed by getting mana screwed and want to quit."
So basically, almost the cards in your deck have colour requirements. The chances you have those colours available to you is less than 100%, and in 3+ colours the chances you won't have the colour you need is somewhat uncommon. It can be very frustrating to play the game for five turns, spending 20 minutes of your time, but you have several cards in hand that you can't play because you drew two forests instead of a mountain.

>to me the words "budget deck" translates to "dogshit deck" so I'm fine with spending a bit more
This is surprisingly not as much of an issue in edh as you'd expect. My strongest decks are $30 but they're optimized and have a clear and specific wincon in mind, with the card draw and protection to reach those goals. Expensive decks will be better on average, but an expensive deck that has 1 million power on turn 6 will lose to a cheap deck that has 40 power on turn 5, in a game where you need 40 power to win.

>That's good to hear and what I'd prefer. Keep it simple to start and then add more colors later
I would not recommend starting with monocolour. Start with 2-colour.
You can build a 2-colour manabase with 100% basics and almost never get mana screwed. It also gives you more options, and encourages you to pick what's best for you rather than feeling pigeonholed into using the only options your colour has for certain functions. It will also give you a better idea of what different colours do well and what different colours' weaknesses are.

>Still looking for at least maybe recommended legendary creatures if nobody has a full list.
Dragons have a lot of support. It's hard to recommend any in particular.
More than that, I'll just leave you with some advice: Card draw is king. Fill your deck with cool dragons and the ramp to start playing them, but make sure you have ways to get those cards into your hand first.

>>96370866
>a completely unique build around
press swords to plowshares, receive card draw and an indestructible beater
>but one swords to plowshares won't put 7 cards into exile
Then crack your scavenger grounds or something.
It's not difficult. I regularly put 7+ cards into exile myself in decks where I'm not even playing white. I can't imagine it's a difficult goal to achieve if you're actively building around it.

>>96370828
budget doesn't necessarily mean bad, you can get little-used stuff that has similar effects to staple cards because the game has been around for so long.
you can do mono-red dragons, if you want "big dragons." there's a few that work on that theme with some variation depending on what you always want to be doing. unfortunately I don't know what the digimon keywords mean, but some mono red commanders for dragons are Nogi (cost reduction), Zirilan (cheating out other dragons), Lathliss (general tribal synergy), and basically any red legendary dragon. there's also Ganax who ramps you a little bit and can pair with any one of a pool of specific cards that give him extra text when he's out, in this case Guild Artisan for more ramp, Dragon Cultist for more dragon, or slightly more popular but two colors instead of just red is Acolyte of Bahamut to double up on Ganax's ramp with cost reduction.

I'm assuming the keywords are going to be mostly combat keywords?

>>96370841
The mummies in amonkhet wear clothing over their wrappings, presumably to show they are still 'living' normally amongst the people.
Sphinx and the cursed mummy also did it, so its not a completely new idea.

>>96370914
it's a trope that the cloth slips and you can see an eye but they absolutely should not have their mouth or eyes uncovered or there's no point

>>96370705
No, cancer witch

>>96370828
Based on what you are telling us, you want to play Red, or Gruul (Red/Green), or Naya (Red/Green/White) aggro decks. I would focus up on those specific keywords in your search.

>>96370523
Nigga I can't even tinker into this. This is just a shitty post malone

>>96370523
Shitty card that will see zero play

>>96370957
Yeah the mouth should be covered, looks weird.

>>96370552
I mean... isn't this just better than grave pact?

>>96371026
>Sothera exiles and so the other creatures don't "die" and it also leaves if anyone has an empty board

>>96370539
>hero
WOAH WOAH WOAH
But they never make heroes in black identity.

>>96371026
No, grave pact stick around forever and can essentially lock the board in the right decks.

>>96371030
Yeah, kills itself which is way worse, but exile is better than destroy...

>>96370182 (OP)
>What thrills you about the Reserved List? security, scarcity, or just watching the chaos it stirs?
Reprint Gaea's Cradle as a rare.

>>96371057
grave pact makes them sac, which is better than destroy.
the real problem is that exile is different than dying, so your death triggers don't go off.
if you want to stax deaths, go for stone of erech, rest in peace, the darkness crystal, kalitas, gisa, liesa, or anafensa.

>>96370472
Dies to Wrath of God

>>96371105
>than dying, so your death triggers don't go off.
>if you want to stax deaths, go for stone of erech, rest in peace
These also won't give you death triggers

>>96370502
>Seth (better known as saffronolive)
Holy shit whatever you do, don't take inspiration from saffronolive. He's the personification of reddit itself and one of the biggest fags behind the "it goes against the spirit of the format" and "every deck must do the thing before the game ends" meme that has destroyed many an LGS.

>>96371132
that's why I phrased it like that, though I suppose it could have been clearer. by "stax deaths" I meant "prevent people from gaining the benefit of deaths"

>>96371138
What exactly is "the spirit of the format"?

>>96371187
whatever makes me not sad when I play

>>96370852
>joke on you im gay
Cool dude

>>96371187
Letting me do the thing

>>96371187
Waiting 15 minutes to play a land and pass.

heLLOeveryBOdyiT'SsethPROBABLYbetterknowassaffrONoliVEEe

>>96371187
Battlecruiser, final destination, no infinites.

>>96371287
Not trinketmage. Don't care.

>>96371287
hey hey people, sseth here

>>96371287
I think its odd that seth plays the most hardcore troll decks imaginable in most formats, but then kind of just sits there and twiddles his thumbs and dies in commander.
Crim and tomer don't care if they troll the table, he shouldn't either.

>>96371187
>every deck must do the thing
>it's about having fun, not winning
>combos that win=LE BAD
>my 3 card durdle synergies =LE GOOD
>Solitaire combo players that take endless turns=LE BAD
>My durdle piles that take 5 minutes to do nothing every turn=PEAK EDH

>>96371287
gimme that furtwink NOW

>>96371287
If it's not Rhystic Studies then I don't care

>>96371287
Le Hwale

>>96371187
hegelians don't matter you don't have to listen to them

fun simic big mana payoffs that aren't eldrazi/praetors?

>$580 in cardboard the past week
Sheesh I guess I'm good for a month or so

>>96371436
This but plastic

>>96371460
We just had a Warhammer store open in town. I missed the store opening special minis but I haven't gotten into the game yet.

>>96371418
>playing anything but the annoying tribes like Eldrazi, Slivers, and Phyrexians
Come on nigga it's like you don't want to be archenemy every game.

>>96371187
Commander isn’t even really magic, it’s way too stupid and broken for their to be a spirit of the format. People just legend otherwise. It’s a format where turn one sol ring is normal lol.


Commander players would never go for this but they would have more fun if the card pool was restricted. Standard brawl on mtga has infinitely better gameplay than commander

How do you guys feel about KMC sleeves? I know every bodies go to is dragon shield.

>>96371507
Wouldn't know. I use dragon shield.

>>96370182 (OP)
>tq

I like that it's actively killing the game by supporting scalpers and investards, meaning less young people are able or willing to buy in.

>>96371187
mayael the anima, thraximundar and other alara / c13-era sets is *the* spirit of the format and i do not want to hear otherwise

>>96371496
The whole point of commander is to play stuff you like instead of "oops, all bans" and "lmao your cards cycle out."

>>96371546
I’m calling that out as bullshit that’s my point. Maybe that was the point ten years ago but now everyone just plays overpowered garbage and buys the newest power crept cards. I’m a spike so that isn’t criticism but commander hasn’t been a silly fun format for ages

>>96370198
Mono colors should be able to do the most basic things in the game. Blue having a massive monopoly on the best way to actually interact with the stack is dogshit design. Every single color should be able to counterspell but with different triggers and results.

>white
Sends it back to hand or top of library

>red
Chaos warp style effect

>black
Pay life

>green
Sacrifice creature

>>96371507
Kmc perfect fit hards are the best inner sleeve. The ones from Japan are better than the USA ones. The regular inners are about the same as dragon shield, though slightly taller.

>>96371561
They kind of already do:
>white
bounce or tax
>red
fork/bend
>black
pay life
>green
counter counters, like veils or guttural response

>>96371561
This is entirely wrong. Having colors with different strengths and weaknesses prevents every deck but from just being the optimal list of best cards

White remand feels fine to me though. Very specific or limited counters are very white. It can’t stop the spell but delay it

>>96371318
Seth is cucked by the social contract of commander. The shit he probably wants to do is too heinous for his friends to put up with.

>>96371569
Thanks, what about on outers?

>>96371592
you're not going to fit a kmc on an outer sleeve
shit's tighter than a white girl on her wedding day

>>96371187
do thing
draw card

>>96371561
Counter spells arent the best way to interact though? In fact they are very limited!

>>96371592
Outer / over sleeves between them have been about the same. I got the hard outers from kmc and they feel very close in thickness to the dragon shield matte outers I have. I haven't tried kmcs regular sleeves, most all my decks are in dragon shield. Fwiw avoid the dual mattes.

>>96371589
Anything seth would do isn't going to be any worse than what crim is doing any given week IMO.

What would be a good commander to go with this? My friends want me to play commander with them (I usually play other formats) and this my favorite recent feed

And don’t say Ragost I hate that card

>>96371637
Definitely Ragost. You do not have a non resentment reason to hate him so stop being a woman

>>96371637
breya

>>96371637
Come home white man

>>96371467
I collect figures. Never touched warhammer

>>96371649
I tried him a lot in a standard decks and he just isn’t good. I know it’s a different format but Ragost is so bad. He would be good in magical Christmas land because he damages all opponents but meh it can’t be that strong

>>96371637
Any commander who can do funny KCI loops:
Breya, Etherium Shaper
Iron Man
Imskir
Urtet's not terrible either

>>96371678
Mono white wouldn’t be allowed no?

>>96371682
>Choose a background
Pick a red one, anon

>>96371682
I'll help you bro

>>96371700
I wasn’t familiar with this mechanic because I don’t play commander usually. I just checked these and the treasure token one would also work. Probably better if you really want to combo off

>>96371717
The true power of Abdel lies in his soldier tokens...

>>96371725
>OOOHHHHH SHHHI-
>Remember my creature tokens happen during combat

>>96371725
You got a license for all that mana, son? What are you going off to spend it on?

>>96371733
Gemstone Array ?

>>96371736
Street Urchin
Eldrazi Displacer

Trying to build a deck for him, what might be some funny techs I could have missed?
It's not meant to be a serious deck so I don't care if it's jank

>>96371682
Made for each other

>>96371768
is this loss?

>>96371637
This card is so based

>>96371768
oops wasnt meant to reply
You know what, take the (you) anyway. It's on the house

>>96371756
She, anon.
You call ships she.
I also cannot comment on what you may have left out without seeing a list.

>>96371756
He's not really a hidden tech commander. He does one thing and that one thing is very funny. There isn't really a ton of room for creativity unless you're building a subtheme into the deck.

Cryptothrall can pilot Titanic and gives it Hexproof while piloted.
Inferno of the Star Mounts can act as a wincon with enough mana from treasures.
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs can pilot Titanic and is also a bit of a pillow fort effect that keeps opponents from beating you to death when you're on an empty board.

You'll have a ton of mana so make sure you have enough card draw. The usual impulse draw effects are good.
Rose, Cutthroat Raider can pilot Titanic and gets you an impulse draw when you attack.
Scion of Opulence can sac treasures for impulse draw.
Bonehoard Dracosaur isn't cheap but it's one of the most pushed red creatures ever printed and does everything.
Hangar Scrounger can put a counter on itself to hit 3 power and pilot Titanic. Whenever it taps to pilot, you can discard-then-draw.

Count on Luck and Outpost Siege keep your "hand" topped up.
Stolen Strategy can sometimes get you useful cards since you're stuck in mono-red.
Reckless Impulse, Wrenn's Resolve are basic draw sorceries but consistent and let you hold your cards in exile for a full turn cycle.

As a 4cmc commander, your tempo should follow this basic route:
>T1 Land
>T2 Land + Ramp
>T3 Land + Titanic
>T4 Creature Power 3 + Pilot Titanic and swing
Therefore, the ramp in your suite should ideally be 2cmc or less.
Wayfarer's Bauble is fine since you can path around it if it's in your opening hand.
Arcane Signet and Fellwar Stone are only tapping for red (or basically colorless if no one else is playing red) but they're 2cmc mana rocks so they're worth playing.
Other 2cmc colorless rocks (mind stone et al) are worth it.

>>96370900
Oh those background card are neat. So if you play a guy "with a background" you can get a 2nd free color. That's kind of cool. Like if you get only one color of mana you can cast "half" of the commander for now and get the other later if Im getting that right. Like I was looking at Dragon cultist and Skanos Dragonheart. I just wish he had some keywords like the trample, haste, and doublestrike (?, you hit twice which is what security attack+1 is kind of.)

One other I was looking at was Atarka, world render. It kinda does everything I want but it's only got 4 toughness. Is that a problem for an "aggro" commander?
Or if I do go mono color what about Drakuseth, Maw of flames?
DESU I just want to larp as Trogdor the burninator.
Yes. It's all the big-hit-hard keywords that turn people into paste fast.

>>96371855
thanks, couple there I missed myself (though I did have the general ballpark)
hope to put it together properly

doesn't necessarily have to be the most competitive but as you said, it does one thing but that one thing is very funny

>>96371861
>cast "half" of the commander for now and get the other later
yes, sort of. ideally you're not as reliant on it as fully 50% of your commander, but as a separate non-creature it's more resilient than a normal commander. you can also just put them in your deck.
skanos+dragon cultist seems to be his most popular combination, but on the whole he's not super popular. go for it if you want to do silly things nobody you play with has heard of before, but he'll be a little more complicated than, say, atarka.
atarka is fine. 4 toughness gets you out of range of some removal, but still in range of others, but you run fast and hard enough to ignore that. she's simple enough that most people will see what you're doing immediately, but that means the deck will be easy enough to pilot.
drakuseth is a big dumb dragon. the other ones I mentioned help you play more big dumb dragons instead of doing big dumb dragon things themselves. that's a choice you'll have to make yourself at some point.

so it sounds like, from just what you said, that in digimon, player life points/shields/whatever doesn't use the same scale as creature stats. in 'normal' MTG, you have 20 life, and removing your opponent's life is the fastest way to win, and creature power is balanced around that. trample says basically 'if this guy is bigger than whatever is blocking it, it does the rest of the damage to the player' so if a 4/4 rhino is blocked by a 1/1 human, it 'tramples' 3 damage past the blocker.
haste just means 'isn't affected by summoning sickness,' if digimon has 'summoning sickness.' in MTG they can't attack or use (their own (the game gets complicated)) abilities that say 'tap me to use this' on the turn they entered the battlefield.
double strike is a little more complicated. there's a keyword 'first strike' which means that creature does damage in a step before creatures without first strike, so they're 'faster' or have 'more reach'. double strikers do damage in both first and normal.

>>96371637
Pia and Kiran Nalaar
pay 3 to burn people for 4 when you use your token. Play a bunch of baubles and impulse draw so you can cast a ton of free artifacts off the top. Making a bunch of muitions.
Include other affinity for artifacts or improvise cards for synergy.

>>96371861
Of everything I recommended, I would actually like to emphasize how useful Stolen Strategy is. Normally the card is very bad, but because Titanic has a few hoops it needs to jump through in order to function, your deck has a solid chunk of its own cards taken up by redundancies that you might not be able to take advantage of (creatures are often dead draws if you already have a dedicated pilot creature on the battlefield) and it's very easy for your deck to stall out if you're missing a crucial component (drawing your damage doublers when you don't have anything to actually pilot the titanic).

Stolen Strategy at its worst is going to draw you a couple extra creatures, and there's a stompy player at almost every table so those creatures can probably hold their own even if you don't need them to act as backup pilots. At its best, it's netting you card draw, value generators, land ramp, and interaction while also denying those things from the other decks at the table. It's very good in a deck like this.

>>96371930
Wow I managed to quote the entirely wrong post.
That was meant for >>96371894

>>96371930
hadn't considered stolen strategy immediately myself to be honest but now you pointed it out, it''s just glaringly obvious
was staring myself a bit too blind on direct treasure synergy I was trying to find

>>96370777
>>96371936
>>96371521
>>96371094

WotC has reiterated that maintaining the Reserved List is about honoring their word. Even internally, discussions to abolish it have ended with the sentiment: “We made a promise, and we’re not willing to break trust in our promises”

>>96371521
>actively killing the game
>because a bunch of old cards that would/could see no play arent reprinted
Do you worms even think? Most of RL isnt legal in most formats and those that are the vast majority are not played. And no, not having a taiga isn't ruining the game.

>>96371955
Just make a functional reprint of Gaea's Cradle that isn't garbage- print a version that it simply
>Legendary Land
>2: tap. Add one G mana to your mana pool for each creature you control.

Or it can read
>Tap: add one G mana to your mana pool for each nontoken creature you control

Just do it Wotc

>>96372007
>Just do it Wotc

It prevents power creep by discouraging reprints of overpowered cards that could destabilize newer formats.

>>96371955
WOTC doesn't have any actual say because it is simply a division within hasbro, no different then their toy division. They are only allowed a special name because it is famous. If Hasbro said "do it" then they would, or they'd be fired. No Hasbro exec made this promise, nor did Hasbro own WOTC at the time.

>>96372007
They did that anon
>noooooo I need 4 creatures in my green deck!

>>96371955
The sales they would make from the reprinting and acclaim of the average player would make up for the crocodile tears of investorstrash.
Its good for business and the community.

>>96372007
They've effectively done this like 4 times now
>a creature who does it
>a flip enchantment that does it
>a new land that does it
like nigga if you want Cradle there are SEVERAL options they just aren't fucking broken beyond belief

>>96372007
Evendo isn't bad, not like getting 12 total power together is hard for green

>You're not letting me play the game
Ive you've ever said this, you're a complete shitter.

>>96372066
LET
ME
DO
THE
THING

>>96372070
Make a deck that doesn't stop me from stopping you, trashfag

>>96372085
I THOUGHT THIS WAS BRACKET 3 CASUAL COMMANDER?!

>>96372066
Sorry, you can't activate Spore Frog

>>96372091
I wish that were a thing

>>96372091
I've heard "you're not letting me play the game" from people "playing super serious and good bracket 4 decks guys, I got 8 game changers. Whoa, what do you mean I can't cast a spell for free? What do you mean you turned off my ETBs?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ARE LOOPING REMOVAL SO I CAN'T HAVE MY BUSTED 100 DOLLAR VIVI ON THE BOARD?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN FORCE OF WILL WAS COUNTERED BY A 1 DROP ARTIFACT I IGNORED?! YOU'RE NOT LETTING ME PLAY THE GAAAAAAAMMEEEEEEE AIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96372115
this but playing 1v4 because I made everyone discard a card once

>friend pod doesn't run nearly enough interaction
>greed piles with high cmc winmore cards
>rarely have a single creature out before turn 4 and it's usually a synergy piece they're loathe to lose so early
>build Kudo with tons of 1/2 mana creatures and cheap anthems
>by turn 3 I have a massive board of bears that can easily trade 2 for 1 if everyone else blocks
>no one hit a board wipe, not enough removal to peel all the protection off Kudo
>consistently swinging for 30-40 damage by turn 5 while everyone else has barely played their cards
>most recent game night
>massive uptick in removal among everyone's decks

It's pretty fun teaching Timmy how to build a proper deck. My next deck project is to make something removal heavy to teach them to run more protection.

>>96372027
>>96372022
>>96372029
>>96372037

>The Reserved List ensures that rare cards retain their scarcity and value, which is crucial for long-term collectors and investors.

>>96372126
>Show up week after week month after month telling everyone to run more single target removal, and protection
>They don't listen
>Getting more and more annoyed at me winning every game because guess what, I can remove their pieces and I can protect my board from their wipes
>New guy joins the group
>Tell everyone the same thing I've been telling them
>Goes as far as to make a binder full of "staples" for them to buy off of him for cheap.
>The only one who bought anything off of him was me because he had some printings I liked.
>He's already fed up with the group and he's only been coming for a month and half

What went wrong?

>>96372152
Okay, good? I'd also hate seeing people frequently running shit like Cradle, Chains, or Timetwister.

>>96372152
Collectors and investors are not needed as seen by arena, which has no such thing.

>>96372158
Left is bad, right sold so well that it's super easy to get. It's like asking why Silas Ren isn't expensive despite being CEDH. Hashaton is a fringe cedh competitor, nothing that's gonna replace the meta like fuckin' Ral did, but it's pretty good if you have good loot abilities.

>>96372158
Left is just meh, but probably had some meme value. Hashiton is powerful, but not powerful enough to be a CEDH all-star and too faggy for people to actually want to play if it isn't winning them the game for free

>>96371756
These, and of course the usual damage doubler/triplers you see in red

>>96372158
Nothing...? Presale hype died just like every other release in Magic's history, and then prices went down to where 99+% of prices usually go

*enters the battlefield*

>>96372206
this printing makes me so fucking angry

>>96372206
this printing makes me so happy

>>96370182 (OP)
What is actually stopping Wizards from printing a near functionally identical version of a reserve list card that is just different enough to not count?
Unless they're actively invested in the secondary market, monetary value should hold no impact on their decision to print a psuedo mox-sapphire or pseudo-badlands? They're not illegal cards in the most popular format, and the only restriction on them is the players wallet for buying them from TCGplayer. Do they simply not do it because of PR?

>>96372206
neat art

>>96372206
this printing contains multitudinous intents and feelings. to simplify it to love or hate would be a disservice to the human spirit.

I appreciate how they tried to make it look like a renaissance painting or medieval tapestry
but I also think it looks goofy as fuck

>>96372206
CAVALIER OF PISS IS BEST CAVALIER

>>96372152
Genuinely do not understand the point you are trying to make here or how it relates to my post

>>96372263
There's nothing stopping wotc from doing that. There's actually nothing stopping wotc from reprinting RL cards either, and in fact they have re-released RL cards for their digital platform. The Reserved List is a non-binding agreement that wotc has pledged to commit to.

>>96372126
>>96372156
You guys both sound like insufferable fags. It is not your job or duty or responsibility to "teach" people how to play the game the way you want it to be played.

>>96372263
>what are shocklands
>what are all of the modern moxes
>what are all of the reinterpretations of things like Cradle and Academy
you're a fucking RETARD, anon. Retarded! Sub-standard IQ! Low brain function! They've literally done this a TON of times and the cards are all either very good or completely playable if you want to meet their minimal requirements. Mox Amber, Mox Opal, and even the worst ones like Tantalite and Jasper are all completely functional and "nearly identical" to old Reserve List cards without being as broken or violating their rules. We literally had Jeweled Lotus which is straight up just Black Lotus for Commanders. We have multiple cards that simulate Cradle and Tolarian Academy, and you're gonna love this. Most of the cards on the RL are bad and we have better cards than them now. We even have a repeatable
a REPEATABLE Timetwister. Like, my disingenuous nigger, we have
>Echo of Eons
>Day's Undoing
>Diminishing Returns
>Game Plan
>Time Reversal
>Time Spiral
they've been doing this for DECADES. Are you new? Are you just being dense on purpose? Were you raised in a fucking barn?
>I know what I'm gonna do today guys I'm gonna go into /edhg/ and LIE about how this EXTREMELY COMMON THING that wotc does is something they NEVER DO!!

>>96372126
>dude guys on turn 3 i'm swinging for 2 million damage in one of the weakest commanders ever released!!!!
ok

>>96372281
Don't complain when you lose over and over and over again.

>>96372285
I know you didn't see "draw a card" or some other value slop on the ability text ,0but lacking that doesn't make a commander bad.

>>96372284
holy based

>>96372284
>are you just being dense on purpose
I actually just wanted someone to list all of the things that were non-reserve list versions of those cards, and being wrong is the fastest way to get it done.

>>96372295
You son of a bitch you got me.

>>96372295
Fuckin based

>>96372295
o i m laffin

You know the funny thing is there is no clause on the RL that new cards can't have the same name (and therefore deckbuilding restrictions).

Therefore I propose a new, completely unique card.

Black Lotus {0}
Artifact
{T}: Add three mana of any color.
Cycling {9}

It is now functionally distinct from the original Black Lotus and does not violate the Reserved List.

Oh, right. People might complain about these new cards devaluing their old ones. So let's print a hate piece too.

Anti-Anti-RL Tech {2}
Artifact
Cycling abilities can not be activated.

There! Now there's a way to shut down this blatant infringement on the RL, with a hate piece that impacts all the new wave cards but none of their original RL printings.

>>96370602
Love original Sigarda and Yasharn from 2020 Zendikar
>Friend’s black decks all have Gravepact, Dictate of Erebos and other similar effects
>Drop the Angel or Big Pig
>Seething commences

>>96372302
they can't reuse names for non-RL reasons. they can't make Black Lotus the vehicle for the same reason they can't make Jace, the Mind-Sculptor the 1/1 hasty (R) goblin.

>>96372302
They're not going to print a nontoken card with the same name anon, that has nothing to do with the reserved list

>>96372316
>>96372317
Name one reason it wouldn't work.

>>96372167
>>96372168
>>96372276
>>96372302

Protecting Investments: Many long-time players and collectors have significant financial investments in Reserved List cards. For some, these cards were purchased at much lower prices, but for others, they represent a considerable financial outlay. The Reserved List ensures that these assets, which are a major component of the game's economy, are not devalued by mass reprints.

>>96372323
Yes anon we all know the real reason they treat the RL as a sacred cow. Because they're afraid a good print policy like any other game would make people instantly stop whaling. It's literally the same reason they stopped doing print-to-demand. They think that when 0.1% of consumers spend 99% of the money that demographic is solely investors.

Is there any good alternative to this dogshit format? pauper edh and oathbreaker seem ok but is there any other variant or anything?

>>96372340
2hg

>>96372340
Modern and Standard?

>>96372323
And what part of this is a bad thing exactly? 99% of RL cards aren't even good, they're just rare and old and people love them. Look at Swordfag, his Chains is $1k and if that card was reprinted regularly it'd be like 20 bucks at most.

>>96371138
Seth famously loves prison and one of his most watched commander bits is him commandeering someone's mana crypt and then strip mining him turn 1.

>>96372290
Hmm no my decks usually have around 20 pieces of interaction. That isnt the issue here anon.

>>96372323
This is just some AI response wtf are you doing

>>96372438
>He say while trying to dictate how other people's friendships should be.
Hypocrite, or lying butthurt timmy. Call it and fuck off.

>>96372446
>Has the same English name
Works as intended.

>>96372285
Yeah, it's pretty easy to get that high that fast when you can spam 1 mana creatures and the rest of the pod doesn't run enough removal to disrupt your board. Sorry you don't know about cards that don't appear on EDHrec Timmanon.

>>96372284
I use a proxy of pic related because I love the art but it's so much worse than other effects of its kind.

>>96372444
>This is just some AI response wtf are you doing

>citation needed

>>96372449
Youre a bad friend. None of what im saying is hypocritical. Stop being a faggot.

>>96372463
someone played this the other day

>trying to ease a completely new player into the game
>give them a mono-colour deck
>choose a specifically simple deck, another player at the table also has a very functionally basic deck
>The One Guy brings his new enchantment deck with 15 different unique mechanics that will never come up for the new player, to keep in mind and learn
heaven forbid no one knows what a heckin genious deckbuilder you are bro

>>96372629
New players shouldn't start with commander. having 8 different cards on the field in 1v1 is already a lot when you still don't fully grasp how first strike or whatever works.

I think I'm on to something.
>make Anafenza deck where 85% of the nonland deck is about exiling shit
>exile target artifact
>exile target creature
>destroy target creature (it gets exiled lol)
>exile target enchantment
>If you got it and it's nonland, I can exile it
>threw in a couple of lands that can destroy nonbasic lands for the fuckery of it
>oh, you don't mind things getting destroyed and landing in your graveyard?
>rest of the deck is graveyard hate to the gills
>people very soon realise that if they even hint at being mean to me I will exile their shit without hesitation
>play entire game in intimidation mode
>no one dares attack me too hard
>win lategame because I basically let the zurgo player wreck everyone until only he and I remained and I could exile his hexproof artifact to exile his zurgo several times while I bopped him down

>>96372654
>>96372651
>>96372629

What can you tell me about the reserved list?

Rate my alters
>waiting for my German language islands to fill out the deck

>>96371302
This but sincere

>>96372677
based based based get in the robot

>>96372677
I made code geass proxies but I couldn't figure out what to do about my commander being a RAT

>>96372677
Extremely good alts, the only complaint is that it's a bit hard to read what they do.
You gave me some new motivation to get off my ass and make that mecha/artifact/vehichle deck of mine!

>>96372720
Ooh sick, you did that yourself?
I’ll pick up finer liners to write the text more clearly

>>96372720
damn he's literally me

>>96372726
heavens, I wish. I must improve my drawing also, I made drew my own manga-style token for some random 3/1 rogue human with haste or whatever and my friend I played it against sait it was complete with the "childish drawing style" like that was intentional. So much to do, so much to practice and improve, yet we must waste our time earning money from jobs? What a pitiful existance!
I'm just a Rei connosieur.

>>96372728
This will make a fine addition to my collection.

>>96372754
Don’t do it for him.
Just do it for you.
We’re all gonna die, but in our 7+ decades we might as well waste some time on getting a little less shitty at the things we enjoy.

>>96372754
reichads get in here

>>96372651
Shut the fuck up. Every other format sucks balls. Commander is just way more fun. Yes, even for beginners.

>>96372651
new players shouldn't play magic

>>96372677
>Spear of Longinus
>Not on a spear equipment like Shadowspear
It tickles my autism.

>>96372790
at the end of the day, according to Rand, even things we do for others we do because they bring us joy.
whichever the reason, I will improve because I think it improves the world a bit when we better ourselves and create nice things :)

>>96372651
I think you might as well teach them commander at once, or they have to unlearn a bunch of useless things from Standard

>>96372677
>german language islands
kek due to Asuka?

>>96372852
Learning how to play in 60 card formats and limited make you a better commander player.

>>96372852
German islands are labeled Insel :^)
>>96372824
Equipments fall off of vehicles, but I take solace in the suitable flavor text

>>96372857
>better commander player.
Who cares about that? Go play standard if you only care about who's better, fucking retard.

>>96372803
list every reason why you think each 60 card format sucks in your opinion

>>96372857
standard is better for rapid 1 on 1 games, and can be a lot more fun as far as gameplay goes.
commander is more social, though I can find it annoying having to wait for player 3 to wrap up their story about their drycleaning before player 2 can finish the play they're trying to do..

>>96372883
>he doesn't want to improve as a magic player
NGMI

>>96372857
imagine an alternate world where limited was the preferred way to play magic and 99% of cards weren't useless

>>96372907
>he needs other formats to improve how he plays commander
ngmi

>>96372803
this. These fags sound like the tards who say you can only start with shotos in fighting games

>>96372909
99.9999% would be useless if limited was the most popular format, you idiot. That's why most cards in every set suck. They always are thinking
>but what about the limited environment?

>>96372912
well if you want to learn the fundamentals ten times faster, 60 card is the way to go

hell, I started with commander and I fucking wished I would've played 60 card before, the learning curve is much steeper compared to shit like pauper or standard

>>96372883
Better as in knowing how rules work, keeping up with triggers which the majority of the EDH player base is bad at, and how to build a deck.

>when your formats are so dead that you have to try and force new players to abandon commander for your dying format they have zero interest in
Grim

>>96372924
Just play mtg Arena then, no takesies backsies there, no need to smell other 60 card format players etc.

>>96372909
useless cards are mostly made for limited anon.

>>96372929
yeah that's what I did at the start, but the grinding to get wildcards got tiring so I just play draft there occasionally, but I got my friend to play pauper and premodern with me so life's good

>>96372882
When I play a card in a foreign language I always read the entirity of its name and what it does in that language, before explaining it in the local tongue

>>96372852
>at the end of the day, according to Rand,
who?

>>96372930
exactly, they'd be perfect for the format the game was played at instead of useless draft chaff no one cares about

>>96372984
Ayn Rand's ideology is basically (TLDR, I am retarded and don't understand it completely) that everyone should only look out for htemselves and be entirely egoistic, but when someone asked her why she helped and supported her husband she replied that it was still her being egoistic, since seeing him be well and doing well made her happy. idk, I think it's kind of wholesome in contrast to her general image.

>>96373011
Ayn Rand was a literal psychopath.

>>96373011
Didn't she also get government gibs?

I love thematic dream teams

cute

not magic the gathering

>>96373111
What isn't?

>>96373115
This >>96373084
Space bugs aren't mtg

i dunno, looks pretty magic to me, the frame and format checks out

I know, right? Tonberry is on a mtg card

>>96372929
I love it. I have a non-deterministic infinite turn deck on mtga, I just keep shuffling my timewalks back into my deck and draw my deck again or keep returning it from my graveyard to my hand/on top of my library and play as long as I want until my opponent concedes.
7 turns in a row was the maximum amount that I've gotten to so far. I have lethal and just end my turn.

>>96373134
But cybernetic invaders from another world, biological lab experiments gone awry and out of control, and dimension hopping ships captained by diverse characters from many worlds in the Weatherlight Saga are magic, right?

>>96372677
This is the kind of shit I love to see at my table. 10/10 would play with

>>96373328
>ywn play with the comfiest most chill anons in the general
verily, how do I cope with this?

>>96373322
Magic lore has always been shit, you're correct. I concede.

>>96373347
Spell table?

>>96372158
Aetherdrift is a bad set, shrimple as that

>>96372680
I was being sincere

>>96373431
>that bottom line text with basically drawing a card for each discarded card
fuck me, I have seen that card several times but never read that part, I thought you just discarded cards and had to make do, now it's suddenly really viable and sounds fun

>>96373444
Nice get, nobody reads her correctly. Usually they just assume she draws 1 card per discarded creature too. But no, it's per keyword you got. So scavenged brawler alone draws you 4.

>>96373444
You're so smart and handsome for reading a card. Most people don't do it.

>>96372158
>Stock Up is still 10 bucks
kill me

>>96372654
Yeah exiling things is pretty good bro

>>96373486
>>96373461
I just go to the "the same is true for" part and assumed the rest of the card was keywords.
Reading the card .. explained the card .. Professor-sama, I kneel...

>>96372654
Based
Running an oops-all-removal deck is top kek.
Narset Enlightened does roughly the same, except you get to recast the removal or the removed piece for free every turn. Your graveyard? You mean our graveyard.

>>96373548
I played several games with 2-3 graveyard players who just ran away with the game because no one ran exiles or graveyard hate, so I dedicated an entire deck to it
the idea of the deck can be summarised by pic related
>witness now, the terrible vengeance of the anon
first game I played it was vs a guy playing the 40k nekron precon, and he read my commander's text, then read it again and went "....oh."

>>96373559
I have that Necron deck as well but with Imotek as the leader because funny terminator skeletons, and I've just accepted that sometimes you just get hosed.

>>96373559
As a gy addict, I applaud this behavior. How can I resist the call of the grave if I can accrue value unpunished? It’s basically a second hand for free.

Have you considered building an Circu or Evelyn Lantern deck? It seems like your cup of tea. Exile cards before they get played, whatever gets drawn without my knowledge gets drawn without my consent.

>>96373588
NTA, but I've tried it and Lantern folds to a deck that can topdeck a +2 or higher and commander has too many of those. The closest thing you have is stax. I personally like Smokestack and Negan or Yawgmoth.

Anyone have a Scorpion God deck? He looks fun and I want a deck to use Kulrath Knight in.

>>96373660
I haven’t gotten Evelyn to run full lantern yet, but flickering her basically draws you four. I’m thinking of turning it into a flicker deck

>>96373588
That's a bit too much control for me, I prefer letting people do their thing and crushing it in response, rather than monitoring what they're doing and preventing it before it's done.

Any fun replacements for simulacrum synthesizer, specifically for artifact token generation? Not looking for a game winner, just something to generate artifact tokens reliably in my Inspirit deck.

>>96373822
probably not for 3cmc, but there are lots of 4cmc ones, especially for thopters

>>96373822
Clone it with Mechanized production and win with 8 construct tokens

>>96372651
This anon is correct. You dont need to teach commander anyways, just magic.

>>96372677
Some of the worst stuff I've seen. Poorly drawn and a terrible show that has no relation to the cards

>>96372883
>>96372912
>improving!? Who needs to do that!?!?!
>heh improving without edh? Ngmi!
1 post is all it took you to go back on your position lol

>>96373822
Worldwaker helm.

Are there any green creatures that replaced prime times land tutor ability? Is there any creature that get any land, preferably with an ETB trigger?

>>96374126
Uvenwald hydra would be the closest

>>96374126
Elvish Reclaimer isn't on ETB, but it is repeatable.

>>96374136
>>96374144
Thanks. I think scapeshift is still an overall better alternative.

>>96371302
this

What's a mechanic that you'd deem the most unfun or the most boring?

>>96374126
Sowing Mycospawn and Wight of the Reliquary come to mind, but neither is on ETB. The Regalia can at least hit any land and is repeatable, but it's not a tutor.

>>96374236
Shit taste, initiative is one of the most interesting mechanics as it encourages active combat.

Thinking of building this guy, lads. What am I in for?

>>96374246
Monarch does it better

>>96374246
Initiative is strong but in practice it's a pain in the ass to keep track of in multi-player gamed

>>96374258
Cram in as much equipment and equipment copiers that you can, and then let him go swinging like an angry drunk.

>>96374236
in fact, the dungeons should be a lot more extensive and that's my gripe. or at least have 1 special dungeon that's really long that rewards you for going down there over and over.
normal dungeons are like
>draw a card
>deal 2 dmg
>deal 1 dmg to all opponents
>create a 4/4
wow epic cool
it should be a longer journey with lots of random shit and a bigger reward at the end after like 10-15 "enter the dungeon", like dealing 15 dmg to each opponent, or having no max handsize for the rest of the game and drawing 5 cards etc

>>96374236
Day/Night adds bookkeeping for the rest of the game for a mediocre payoff. It was obviously made with digital in mind just like all the other ones that make a thing outside the game like the ring tempts and initiative.

>>96374309
the worst part of it isn't even keeping track, since it's a trigger that happens so rarely (ah yes, let me just cast no spells for an entire turn while my opponents get ahead), it's flipping sleeved cards

>>96374318
The only one I know that I have seen played is the Celestus and that one doesn't flip, at least.

>>96374236
The ring bearer. It lacks downsides and should be stealable like the initiative. It’s also difficult to remember by head.

>>96374348
The thing has two sides of rules text to explain what it does and thn it does barely anything. What a fucking waste of a mechanic and mental space.

>>96371955
>“We made a promise, and we’re not willing to break trust in our promises”
hahahahahah

hahaha

oh fuck you serious?

>>96374236
Start your engines/speed
It should have looped in the same way that dungeons do, except instead of the dungeon it should be the individual cards that trigger the ability, and it shouldn't be locked to loss of life on your turn. So when you hit max speed you reset your speed and get effects off triggers.

>want Commander's Plate
>friends will make fun of me for playing slop if I get it
Bros...

>proxying picrel
>hate shuffling a 100-card deck more than absolutely have to, so I took out everything that has me search/shuffle, which unfortunately includes Buried Alive, big creatures with landcycling, and some other pieces that are good when I've played online with this commander
>also took out discard cards/engines because they were making me the archenemy in my pod
>crammed in a lot of protection because my pod also gets tunnel vision and throws all their removal at Alesha when she's on the board
>been goldfishing and the deck often fails to get going or do anything in its current state

Should I just change commanders at this point? I suck at deckbuilding and I've been stuck on making this workable for like a month.
I'll post the current decklist if anyone's willing to look it over

>>96374236
You already posted it. Initiative and Venture into the Dungeon are awful and parasitic mechanics that are extremely unfair unless everyone else is also playing dungeon decks. If they are not, you basically just get a ton of value with no way for anyone else to interact with it.

>>96374542
>initiative
>parasitic
You don't know what that word means, retard-kun.

I need rec's on my next deck.

Current decks
>selvala explorer returned
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shrewd-negotiator/
>gay kings
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/4c-sodomy/
>child of alara
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-07-24-mana-mastery/

I want to be able to play against my wife's cat deck 1v1 and win pretty close to 50% of the time.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zs-cats-meow/

>>96374520
>for like a month.
give it some more time

>>96374520
>she

>>96374520
oh yeah post deck
also cards that draw hate just means they are good.

>>96374656
https://moxfield.com/decks/lR2ofz4CmEeCIrcNB6rI1w

>>96374520
I had no clue she was a hag. Also yes post list.
I'm assuming your 'protection' is scam style revival cards, which means a rakdos sac deck is probably the best choice.

Who else is free of building decks? I've got 3 and I'm done, no changes either. They are complete, canvas not to be touched.

>>96374236
initiative is one of my favorite mechanics next to monarch and I'm tired of anons pretending they are not extremely healthy for EDH

>>96374286
The only issue I see is remembering that it exists. Otherwise it's easily solved with 3-5 initiative cards.
But the benefits outweight the cost in this case if you ask me.

>>96374685
always tinkering, always brewing
I love deck building. budget, no budget. high power, low power. it's fun to change them evety week based on their performance.

>>96374661
looks like you could use some cantrip-esque cards like faithless looting and ransack the lab.
looks fun desu

>>96374685
deck building is half the fun of commander, stupid.

>>96374685
I still find myself tinkering with my "complete" decks for better or for worse.

>>96374661
Instead of the one turn indestructible spells use cards like this. This way you still get death triggers, but can also do funny stuff like double anger/accursed marauder if you tag it while its ETB is on the stack before it self sacs.
There's also cards like kardur doomscourge, whose ETB goads and also drains if attacking creatures die.

>>96374680
I actually tend to run more 1-turn indestruct effects, Alesha wants to stay alive and retain her 1/1 counters so she can continue to reanimate big guys. cheat death effects are better than nothing but still represent a hiccup in her momentum

kitty

>>96374778
DUDE ARTIFACT TOKENS LMAO

>>96374236
Snow land/mana being on the boring side that annoys me. I don't think many people give it much thought but man I wish they did anything interesting with it.
It sounds kinda cool on paper that it's this specific but wildcard type of mana that's often used by abilities. And then it just isn't anything interesting.
It doesnt help that any card design tied to it is super dated at this point.
Energy is kind of this but just better in every way from producers to payoffs. A wildcard mana often used for abilities, but you get to retain it.

>>96374778
He wore it better.

>>96374814
in what world?

>>96374814
The cat. He doesn't care about non-tokens

>>96374825
>>96374830
>Survives asymmetric boardwipes
>Fuck huge flying blocker for 3 mana
>Mono color CHAD
>Dodges lightning bolt

>>96374849
>>Survives asymmetric boardwipes
what did he mean by this? this guy isnt surviving a plague wind

>>96374814
Eh, not really. All you get is some bigger stats and flying. I guess if you intend to swing with it then sure it's maybe better. But the non-token part is pretty killer and you're losing black which have better sac designs than just mono red.

>>96374859
oh like red x spells got it
that actually does move the needle a bit

>>96374859
Its called deck building

>>96374863
Non token does not really matter, youre generating a fuckload of treasures with proper KCI artifact creature loops either way.

>>96374849
>Bunch of irrelevant nonsense, including dodging a spell no one -plays
>>Mono color CHAD
Your pet commander isn't good just because its your pet commander, sorry.

>>96374849
If people are running lightning bolt unironically in your pod you've already won.

>>96374902
This confuses and enrages the multi color BETA.

>>96374880
>generating a fuckload of treasures
Unless your pod's opponents are all go wide white wennies you're not going to be able to rely on opponents.
If you're doing artifact creature loops then is a bunch of mana(treasures) really the best use of your commander? I feel like both of these commanders are pretty subpar for such a deck.

>>96374910
Sorry bud, you're just a boomer timmy who will scoop as soon as this hits your EBIN control piece.

>>96374941
Not so fast!
>Casts this with the discount Mahadi wouldn't have given me

>>96374939
>If you're doing artifact creature loops then is a bunch of mana(treasures) really the best use of your commander? I feel like both of these commanders are pretty subpar for such a deck.
Yes, spawning a bunch of artifacts is great for my cards that care about artifacts.

"I always have it" posts just remind me of this.

>>96374902
>including dodging a spell no one -plays
is earthquake really that underplayed?

>>96375004
>it's a hologram
oh SHI--

>>96375004
You should always assume your opponents have it

>>96373937
nta, keep seething

>>96373704
please respond

>>96375106
Not really, big part of the 'I always have it" crowd is that their opponents don't have it. In their imaginary no games larp. In text form on 4chan.

>>96375136
>Not really
Bad or no games, call it.

>>96375114
If we had one, we'd have responded.

>>96373704
I pulled the masterpiece version of him, the deck basically devolved into rakdos goodstuff and I ended up selling him because it was like 70 dollars lmao.
I liked the deck just fine, I couldn't find a list for it sorry.

>>96375114
Don't copy someone else's list. Build your own Scorpion God deck with the knight and cards that nobody else plays.
Tomorrow at this time I expect you to post your very own list with creative choices to this general.

Hello, my love, welcome to guided edh affirmations
Repeat these affirmations each morning for 21 days and you will notice a change in your mood and health of this thread

I do not need to respond to schizo posts
>I do not need to respond to schizo posts
I will post decklists when asked, it is a compliment
>I will post decklists when asked, it is a compliment
I will not try to dunk on others if I don't understand how my deck works
>I will not try to dunk on others if I don't understand how my deck works
I do not need to make up stories about games that didn't happen to fit a narrative
>I do not need to make up stories about games that didn't happen to fit a narrative
I am a competent player who does not need to samefag to prove it
>I am a competent player who does not need to samefag to prove it
I will not try to boost my self-esteem by bringing up cEDH in discussion about casual decks
>I will not try to boost my self-esteem by bringing up cEDH in discussion about casual decks
I will not feel injured if my deck does not stack up to cEDH decks
>I will not feel injured if my deck does not stack up to cEDH decks
I do not need to prove my MTG knowledge by bringing up card interactions that are not related to the discussion
>I do not need to prove my MTG knowledge by bringing up card interactions that are not related to the discussion
I show respect towards myself and other posters when I fully read a post/post chain before replying
>I show respect towards myself and other posters when I fully read a post/post chain before replying
I will recognize that the posters in this thread are more dedicated than 90% of the player base and as such I am sweaty
>I will recognize that the posters in this thread are more dedicated than 90% of the player base and as such I am sweaty
I will have fun adapting to new strategies, even if they invalidate my boomer mentalities
>I will have fun adapting to new strategies, even if they invalidate my boomer mentalities

>>96375106
>>96375136
>play Zhulodok with all the big boys in the deck
>assume people will have counters or something to fuck with me
>they rarely do
>casually Cascade x2 my big boys
>they scoop or whine about it
I swear like only 40% (if that) of people ever try to respond to me. Instead they try to outramp me when half my deck has annihilator on it.

Have they ever made a worse "for commander" card than Geode Golem?

>>96375156
No Country For Old Men sucks.

>>96372531
Galaxy foils look fantastic. Too bad Unfinity was such a stupid set.

>>96375408
More in universe than edge of eternity

>>96375422
>hating EOE
I will have Tannuk slap your shit for this indignity.

>>96375371
The "join forces" cards if you mean for commander [format].

>>96375106
If they do then they do and you got caught. Oh well. Unless you're in a high tier cEDH/adjacent pod full of sweaty neckbeards, 90% of the time the table Won't Just Have It and you wasted tempo biting your nails and fretting about overextending and hoarding cards when in reality you had a clear path forward. Worse case scenario you get totally blasted and are essentially out of the match, in which case oh well it was a silly multiplayer game anyways and you'll be starting a new one soon enough. You'll be fine the vast majority of the time.

Fortune favors the bold.

>>96374301
This guy gets it, though it would admittedly just lead to decks flickering their initiative cards and/or going infinite because commander players are physically incapable of not optimizing the fun out of any deck.

>>96375490
>it would admittedly just lead to decks flickering their initiative cards and/or going infinite
Boy do I have bad news for you...

>>96374802
They printed a good snow card once and it ruined 2 formats.

what exactly makes a bracket 2 deck a "pubstomper"? going over a certain price? going lethal against a single player too early?

>>96375500
I know that's how the main initiative deck plays already. Let me dream of greener pasteurs.

>>96375514
Optimization, consistency, speed.
If you even HAVE an estimate of what turn your deck can win by, it's probably bracket 3.

>>96375461
yeah those are pretty bad
I do actually like the other similar cycle in low power decks
I made a set of beginner mono color decks and included the whole cycle.

>>96375514
if you can beat whatever i am playing at any given time you are a filthy pubstomper

>>96375522
I like the red one

>>96375522
Its really baffling what the thought was behind join forces
>requires opps to hold up mana or use their mana they are already holding up for a sorcery that can benefit other players more than themselves
I can at best give the red dragon a pass because it basically lets the other players put mana into a kill button to an annoying opp and it doesn't punish themselves for doing so.

>>96375520
>If you even HAVE an estimate of what turn your deck can win by, it's probably bracket 3
that's an interesting metric, I like it. I often get the feeling that my decks are too stompy, and I have been enjoying my wins less and less.

>>96375561
Neat. Saved for brewing.

>>96375514
brackets did nothing to solve the my deck is a 7 problem

>>96375620
It's so funny how they walked directly into it
MAKE 4 BRACKETS YOU MORONS NOT 5!

>>96375620
how about
>my deck on average can kill X players at turn X / it can win at turn X

>>96375644
win?

>>96375620
I think they did perfectly fine. Because whenever I hear someone list their deck as B3 I can quickly tell that the person is a moron that wants to pretend like their deck isnt B4 and they're small bean/not a meta sheep/etc.
I think it's great.

>>96375645
based

>>96375514
Retards seem to think bracket 2 = precon, when upgraded precons ALSO fall under bracket 2. Personally I just view it as the no combos / no game changers bracket and don't respect the mental gymnastics that go any deeper

>>96375649
>bracket 3 exists
>actually everything is a 2 or you're lying and it's a 4
huh

>Want to make a non UB mono black deck, look at what legends I have on hand
>Most of them are in the 99 of other decks
>Already have a wheel deck so Aclazotz discard is no
>Already got an aristocrats deck
>All that leaves is K'rrik and Origin Liliana
Guess I’ll do Liliana tribal

>>96375655
>tfw there is no bracket that explicitly bans combo
Is the RC completely comprised of Johnny-come-latelies?

>>96375184
Sure. What other counters can you put on your opponent's creatures besides +1/1 and -1/-1? Anything like Blaze so their things hit them every turn?

>>96375649
yeah working exactly the way intented.. not only did it not solve anything but make it worse

is big mana to x spell win a combo?

>>96375114
I feel like hapatra is just the better deck for this play style.

>>96375663
Yes. I think the difference between 3 and 4 is so thin that if you're a 3, then you might as well be a 4.
The GC list is pretty small so saying that you can only run 3 or less GCs isn't much of a deck building restriction to sneak under and late game 2 card combos also feels like a meaningless restriction as well. If you have a problem with chaining turns and mass land denial you should be able to tell that person that they're a fag for doing that and not have to resort to WOTC to have such a discussion.
It makes sense that a lot of people aren't willing to do that though because they're autistic and need some stupid sign to tap on.

>>96375753
if you made infinite mana to cast it yes but otherwise no

>>96375655
They'll never discuss the Combo Problem so the bracket system is fundamentally flawed and useless.

>>96375753
It's a combo, but nobody cares about combos that take multiple cards to set up and aren't infinite/repeatable. Like if you elfball into torment of hailfire it's really on the rest of the table for letting you keep a dozen mana dorks around.
But zaxara + freed from the real into hailfire will make some people salty.

>>96375789
>Bracket 2 and 3 don't allow 2 card combos and/or 2 card combos that come out quickly.
Seems like they are in fact addressing it. The problem isn't the brackets, its people who do everything they can to skirt it or flat out lie about it, and no amount of system is ever going to fix that.
What brackets do what the "my deck is a 7" system didn't is give people the information to accurately called out and not play with the people who this that.

>damn son I am spreading myself too thin
>I gotta focus on the projects that matter
>ok lets scrap all of the decks we were working on and just focus on one
>great, lets just focus on that Saheeli, the Gifted deck
>oh but we really should finish that primeval cycle
>its only 5 more decks
>oh and we should really think about revamping that set of closed meta decks, mono black has been running away with too many wins and mono green stompy just isnt keeping up
>oh and the gissa and geralf deck from the starter series really needs some work
>so does the rakdos one
>didn't you want to build a new bracket 4 deck to play against your brother in-law and his playgroup of shitters
>oh and your wife's deck hasnt been updated in a few years and its starting to show

>>96375806
>still allowing 3 card combos
I mean, yeah they aren't a problem per say, but I want a bracket that says no combos period. If were going to have a bracket less than precons at least preserve the anti-combo sentiment that has been present in this format for almost 15 years.

>>96375824
>per say

>>96375794
>a dozen mana dorks
like cabal coffers and tapping that for a bunch before you can even destroy it?

>>96375861
is that not how you write that?
>looks it up
holy balls, how did I get this far without anyone saying anything?

>>96375871
Normalize land destruction

>>96375932
destruction is hardly enough anymore thanks to every other set printing a new crucible of worlds. we need instant speed land exiling effects like yesterday

>>96375954
landfall is the anti-christ

>>96375954
Carry graveyard hate

>>96375972
>you need to always have 2 vastly different kinds of cards that doesn't up your gameplan against their 2 cards that synergize as their whole strat
uhuh, next someone is telling me to play aggro to kill them while they are ramping

>>96376000
graveyard hate is way underplayed in this format anyway, everyone should be packing more.

>>96376000
Modal cards and utility lands.
Also nice trips.

>>96376015
look, man. I propably run more of that shit than most. the problem comes when you have to not only have one of them but ALSO the land destruction because let's face it, my opponents are not. I have the demolition fields and friends in every deck but having both and hoping they don't get rid of 'em somehow before slapping down the problem lands
sure you could say this is just them outplaying me but when the answers are this fragile at the current state there is not much to do other than play faster solitaire rather than try and interact with you opponents nonbasics

>>96376043
thats fair

graveyard hate is underplayed? hmmm time to slap more graveyard hate effects on random cards.

>Cast Call Forth the Tempest.
>Nah, I don't want my creatures to die, I counter that.
>Well, I still get to cascade
>Cascade into Farewell
Get fucked.

>>96376015
>no body at my lgs plays grave hate
>build grave decks for easy games
>new person comes to lgs
>he main decks grave hate in all his decks
>he becomes my nemesis everytime
hope he doesn't think im bullying him for being new

>>96376052
I want this but I also want wotc to stop printing cards that allow people to auto build
what a dilemma

>>96376052
I have been loving the incidental "when creature opponent controls would die, exile it instead" recently. it feels so good not to sacrifice a slot in your deck for a nonsynergistic card when it feels every other deck accidentally uses their grave for different effects

>>96376000
Thraben Charm, Heritage Reclamation, Kaya's Guile, Rakdos Charm, Quandrix Command, Blessed Respite, Beckon Apparition, Calamity's Wake, Dauntless Scrapbot, Pit of Offerings, Keen-Eyed Curator... there's no shortage of cards that do graveyard hate while ALSO having general utility in this game.

>>96376060
nta but I've also felt this. I have a couple grave decks but most of my friends just run bojuka bog in their own brews and that's it
hell, I run grave hate in my freaking grave decks

>>96376043
Hose everything that doesn’t have a toughness-stat.

In all fairness, I also run just the one silver bullet card per deck per strategy, but it usually comes in handy when I pull it.

>this card rocks in Ygra. Titianas Song goes even harder

>>96376077
not to mention the hate that replaces itself like soul guide and relic

>>96376140
Forgot to attach picture
I generally run lotsa basic and non-basic hate. It hits the high powered and spares the starters

>>96375871
No, like a dozen mana dorks. Did the point of that post completely fly over your head?

>>96375514
It is really about abusing the gaps in the existing bracket system.
For me, the big example of a bracket 2 pubstomper deck is heavily land based decks.
This doesn't necessarily mean any green deck that ramps with land ramp instead of mana rocks, to be clear, but rather decks that really get the full value out of playing lands. Generally these include landfall decks, decks that abuse constant mists, decks that are getting more than one land drop per turn very consistently, etc. The literal only defenses I have seen for why decks like these shouldn't be booted into bracket 3 as a default is something along the lines of "if everybody recognizes that they are the threat and gangs up on them you can probably kill them." and "just attack them while they are ramping!" I find these to be pretty fucking stupid arguments, because if a deck archetype is consistently the archenemy, and the only way to really win against them is to treat them as such, it must necessarily be because that kind of deck is overwhelmingly powerful. A deck that is really ramping hard is going to be a threat faster than anybody else is anyways, especially because the first 3 turns for bracket 2 are already going to basically be turn 2 ramp, turn 3 commander" anyways. Even really aggressive bracket 2 decks are really only just getting started by turn 3 anyways.

>>96376077
>>96376142
yes, but you still have to have the other card

>>96376052
Yes actually

>>96376156
I take it you meant they play coffers and tap that for lethal instead because that's how black x spells are played

>>96376164
damn, this his ALL your opponents? pretty sick

>>96374685
Sounds really gay anon.

>>96375111
Pointing out how fast someone revealed themselves to be inconsistent is not seething doe "stranger"

>>96374685
In less than a month you'll get the itch and start building another

>>96373866
I love flickering this fucker

>>96376000
Graveyard hate is stapled on to so many things if you cant find some within your gameplan youre either the most niche deck builder alive or a lazy liar. And given you're whinging about lands a pretty mid strategy im leaning towards the latter

>>96376171
>>96375871
Tbf you gotta run basics to get the most out of Cabal. There’s only that many non-basic swamps. So running Cabal demands restraint in your mana base. At less than 4 swamps it gets outperformed by a basic land

>>96376164
anyone have exp playing this? I really like the idea of ramping after btfoing graves but how relevant is it? like, grave hate should be cheap or instant speed to work real well and this is neither but that's the price for it having modality I guess. the ramp is only relevant in colors that cannot really do it better and the body is whatever and feels like it only goes in artifact decks to shine

>>96376202
Okay but realistically how much GY hate is capable of stopping picrel from being impulse 3 every turn?

>>96376052
>this extremely niche type of interaction is underplayed due to being niche and not often valuable outside of countering ONLY what it is intended for?
>Let's make it more accessible and attach it to other effects so it isn't a waste of time to include
>this is.... bad?
It's great, unironically.

>>96376214
>do thing draw a card, play a land, exile a card from a graveyard

>>96376209
Its not impulse 3 its mill 3 and maybe draw one of them and I would save my removal for when I see something in their graveyard I really dont want there. It can take some time but if you actually play the game you'll get the feel for these things

>>96376171
No, I mean the way the combo is executed matters. Your opponents giving you multiple turns to build up a big board of mana dorks, and then killing them with said dorks, is not the same as untapping on an empty board and just killing the table. Even if you did it with the same finisher.

Outside of "change target of spell to another target" type stuff, is there any counterplay to graveyard hate?

>>96376206
so the game should be over before coffers becomes a problem?

>>96376226
stifle?
gaea's blessing?