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G.I. Joe Classified

Released:

>Haslab Cobra Rattler w/ Wild Weasel, Baroness, & Rattler Gunner

>Snake Eyes v4, Crystal Ball (Wal-Mart), Snake Eyes & Polar Bear, Law & Order, Breaker (Target), C.L.A.W. & Pilot (Pulse), S.N.A.K.E. Battle Armor (Pulse), Search & Rescue Firefighter

>Retros: Flint, Cover Girl, Televiper

>2-packs: Night Force Beach Head & Quick Kick (Wal-Mart)

Preorders:

>Haslab Snow C.A.T. has funded at the base level

>Desert Scorpion & SKRP10N, Mainframe, Grim Viper, Sci-Fi, Wet-Suit, Budo, Major Bludd, Battle Armor Cobra Commander, Monkeywrench

>Steel Corps Sentry & Defense Post (Pulse), Cold Slither Box Set (Pulse), General Hawk & MMS, Crankcase with A.W.E. Striker

>Retros: Greenshirt, BAT

>2-packs: GI Joe Diver & Cobra Diver (Target), Slice & Dice (Pulse), Sgt Slaughter & Mercer

Revealed:

>Ghost Viper & Dire Wolf (Wal-Mart), Pythona (Con/Pulse), Legacy Police ESU

>2-packs: Steeler & Short-Fuze (Target)

Leaks/Rumors/Unseen:

>Lifeline, Hit & Run, Big Lob, Iceberg, Night-Viper, Firefly (deluxe), Annihilator, Fast Draw, Cyber Viper, Golobulous, I.G. Baroness, I.G. Voltar, Hydro-Viper, Airtight, Royal Guard (cc), Sgt. Flash, Psyche-Out, Muskrat, Retro Zarana, Destro with Despoiler, Unknown new female with Polar Battle Bear, Dusty v2 with Sandstorm

>2-packs: Night Creeper Leader & unknown, Blackout & Bombstrike, Grand Slam & Laser-Viper, Cesspool & unknown

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>G.I. Joe A Real American Hero:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM0FaPp2oenPi6zQOTBUCRoYnjhp0eEKQ

>G.I. Joe Renegades:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9iSDGvA4UNCGK-QiRUoxNHPun1PAIXON

>G.I. Joe Spy Troops (PAL version, ripped and edited by a very kind Aussie Anon/Spy Troops anon):
https://mega.nz/folder/UbgRhCQA#9MNOu25I6Rqv0BlaSUj8XA

Other Lines:

Super7 ReAction+:

>Serpentor (SDCC Exclusive), Time Bomb B.A.T. (SDCC exclusive), Cold Slither Zartan (SDCC Exclusive), Python Patrol Cobra Commander (Target)

Super7 Ultimates:

>Tiger Force Flint, Python Patrol Destro

Hiya Toys:

>Range Viper, Shipwreck, Bazooka, Outback

Valaverse:

>Praetorian Fury in stock

>Splinter Cell: Blacklist license

>O-Ring retro line announced

>Action Force 1944 WWII line announced

>>11521972 (OP)
Still gonna wait until the midnight minute to see if you guys unlock all the tiers by then before I consider. Sucks we don't get an all class canopy, it's what made the original so distinct. Making it so big just to make it cost $350 also sucks. This thing might as well have been the Battle Wagon.

>>11521981
Couldn't you just back it and then cancel it last minute

Arctic theme sucks.

People who ruined action figures:
-6inggers
-retro-fags asking for retarded outdated o-nigr figures.

>>11522005
-bobby

>>11521972 (OP)
>Mercer
So like, what shelf does he go on now

>>11521981
Too many people always have this line of thinking for Haslabs. If you just all backed it, then the tiers would be unlocked by now.

>>11522249
But that would mean they would have some personal responsibility

>>11519606
>>11518820
Honestly, Firefly's return is one of the most humdrum things ever. Firefly was barely a character in the comic and his face was always covered, so who would remember him if they never saw his face?

Background character managed to escape a freighter that was buried underground... okay? I mean, eventually someone would attempt to dig themselves out, right? And this background character turned out to be a background character in a photograph... okay?

Not sure what the big twist or stretch is here.

And there's a million Arashikage members, since the Red Ninjas were all part of the same clan. Kinda a dime a dozen.

240 backers the last few hours. I'm thinking this will hit the tiers before it ends, people seem to be into it now that it's funded. I know I'm getting it now.

>>11522347
forgot pic

>>11521972 (OP)
I wish I could just get the characters and their camping gear without the vehicle. Those accessories just look peak comfy with the campire and food/cooking accessories.

>>11522374
Gotta agree.
But then I want more "environment" pieces so shit doesn't just sit there on shelves.

>>11522400
make some with foam

>>11522347
I still don't really get the mindset of not backing it unless it's reached the funding goal when backing it would make it reach that faster and you not getting charged if it doesn't fund

>>11522416
I backed the other 3 day one. This one it felt like "I don't really care about it so no need to take action", but now that it's funded it changed to "shit it's actually coming out, might as well get it and enjoy it". It's retarded and I'm sure there's some psychological mechanism at play.

Anyone else think the head on Ghost Viper looks suspiciously like a Mega Viper?

>>11522559
I suppose a little bit, but the original had pretty much the entire facemask as just a flat, undetailed dome. I guess it could work for a "modernized" take on the Mega Viper head, like they do with a lot of other Classified stuff. So I guess at the end, I could sort of see it, but also if it turns out to be nothing, I can sort of see it too.

Has anyone brought up that Acid Rain is doing 1/12 figures now? I didn't even realize this.

>>11521972 (OP)
oh no bobby sisters it's funded

>>11522321
Well there's just the small thing that we saw his corpse. People digging their way out wasn't that big of an asspull in itself (and Cobra Commander seems to have expected it as he stationed guards around the mountain), except we were already told who made it and who didn't. Billy and Zartan were supposed to be the only survivors. The rest of them died to botulism from spoiled rations. The dead were identified and confirmed to be who they were.
So when Firefly returned that was after we had been basically told twice he was dead. It was as much a done deal as things can be in these capeshit comics.
According to himself, he dug himself out BEFORE the others did, somehow without anyone else in the wreck finding out.
He also wasn't just some random Arashikage mook like the red ninjas, he was a master. He absolutely clowned on both Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes, the entire Ninja Force, Slice & Dice AND the Red Ninjas all on his own. He was basically an anime villain at that point. But you're right, before all this he was basically nothing. Just some guy who was good with explosives. He was a fan favorite, though, I presume because he was another guy wearing a mask.

>>11522321
Firefly's resurrection was forced onto him because he had a new toy coming out and he also had to use the green costume he now had.

Hana also ALWAYS intended Firefly to be the one who killed Storm Shadow's uncle and frame him for the deed, but Hasbro forced him to use Zartan instead because Hasbro has a low opinion on Firefly while Zartan was a hugely important character in Hasbro's eyes. Leading to Firefly's return issues including a TON of retcons so that he subcontracted the kill to Zartan, which ironically enough directly contradictee a ton of issues establishing Zartan as the killer including an issue where Zartan tells the full story to Fred where he also resigns from Cobra in a super secluded talk where Zartan is supposed to have gone into full brutal honesty mode to Fred about how he got in bed with Cobra Commander to begin with.

Also, while Joe massacre of #107-115 was approved by Hasbro, Hama admitted that he snuck the Cobra massacre of #98/99 through behind Hasbro's back and all Hasbro knew, when they finally relented and let Hama bring OG Cobra Commander back, was that Hama was going to have Mindbender bring him back as a clone, while the actual story amounted to CC never dying and simply being shot/buried alive and hand waving all the shit where he had to go out of his way to have Fred and Raptor go "he's really dead! We double and triple checked!"

But my absolute favorite part was how Hama found a way to add yet another layer of complication to the old Hard Master assassination plot. To think that originally it was just a way to explain Snake and Storm's bloody rivalry. Storm Shadow was a bad ninja who murdered his sensei. But every time Hama revisited the story he added another character into the mix and some "surprising" complication. It wasn't Storm Shadow who killed Hard Master after all, it was Zartan! And the real target wasn't Hard Master, it was Snake-Eyes! Zartan just mistook Hard Master for him because their heartbeats were too similar. Except... Zartan was there just to cover for Firefly's ass because of course all these random Cobra guys were around back then and knew each other. Just how many people did Cobra Commander send after Snake-Eyes...? It started resembling a Monty Python sketch at a certain point. And I love how Firefly, this 7D chess playing forgotten ninja master, simply gave up after he saw a practice match between Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow. He sensed Snake's power level when he was the bigger man and let his bro win. He went back to Cobra Commander who was an understanding boss who didn't simply tell his assassin to fuck off and finish the job when he came back with this ridiculous story about another ninja snuffing out a candle on the assassination target's head and that meaning Snake-Eyes was the better ninja.

Baron Ironblood had no patience for these slanty eyed fools.

Who is this Fag shitting up a toy thread with his autism?

>>11522321
>>11522624
Firefly was a minor Cobra prior to his return, but in both the comics and the cartoon, he was unusually competent for a lower-tier villain, and he had a really cool costume. That was enough to make his sort of the Boba Fett of GI Joe, and it's no surprise he was a fan favorite.

>>11522639
I genuinely never know what to believe with the story about how Hama always planned to have Firefly involved with the ninjas and the Hard Master's assassination, whether it really is all true, or if it's the standard Marvel approach to big brazen retcons, to bluff your way through them by insisting it was planned all along.

I'm not sure how the Cobra massacre was done behind Hasbro's back if they were approving every issue before it went to print, though. Did they just not care at the time?

Cobra Commander not being really dead would have been a lot easier to make plausible if Hasbro hadn't forced Marvel to get #61 redrawn by a different artist. Todd McFarlane's version of the scene didn't show a big exit wound exploding out of his chest.

>>11521886
I think people overstate the influence Hama's earlier Fury Force pitch to Marvel had over early GI Joe, as Hasbro had already made the original 13 Joes before their first meeting with Marvel about getting a comic made. There's an inevitable similarity in both groups being green army men with one girl, one black guy and one mystery guy, but that's likely an inevitable coincidence. If the Fury Force pitch got to the stage of having actually issues plotted, it's possible Hama recycled them for some early GI Joe stories, and we know he did basically recycle the planned character personalities for some of the Fury Force team onto some of the early Joes.

Both Fury Force and the original Joes having a guy named Steeler does make me wonder if that was Hama's doing, or if the original 13 had all been named by Hasbro already.

Please put on a trip so I can filter you

>>11522583
Yeah I saw they were doing that, they were saying they were going to be fairly well priced as well. Are they up for order yet?

>>11521972 (OP)
>didn't like the Baroness
Faggot.

>>11521995
That's what's hurting it. I personally like the arctic theme, but get why others don't. Anyone who's a smoker will have a yellow Snowcat within one year. Everyone else will have ones starting to yellow after around 5 years. Plus camping gear? The people buying this shit are adult collectors, not kids in the backward. For the plastic spent on accessories, they could have tossed in another figure. I'd sign off on one if it came with Major Bludd and Baroness in their "Spell of the Siren" winter outfits to go against Lady Jaye and Flint.

>>11522321
The ninja crap is what ruined GI Joe. It was so corny and stupid. Even the two live-action movies were ruined by ninja sub-plots that didn't help the movies at all, and were just annoying shit.

>>11522670
And Steeler ended up being a minor character for both the comic books and cartoon except for the "Worlds Without End" 2-parter which was used to write him out of the cartoon entirely.

>>11522779
>except for the "Worlds Without End" 2-parter which was used to write him out of the cartoon entirely.
>and to make you very aware he was being voiced by Chris Latta
Steeler's meltdown in those episodes when he finds the corpse of his AU self is very memorable.

Would you pay for a desert cammo version of the Snow Cat?

>>11522942
Even less so
The snow theme isn't the issue for me I just think it's a lame looking vehicle and the driver is a hobo.

>>11522249
why, the tiers suck. not even gonna bother with this one.

hasbro has to work on those fucking tiers dude, patches? cmon. a camping site? minimal effort here. jesus christ.

>>11523008
>>11523014
You okay?

>>11523018
nope

we got robbed of a good vehicle this year.

>>11523022
Have you been retardedly mad about this for two months or is the fact that it's funded is what set you off
Because if it didn't fund its not like they would turn around and reveal a Cobra vehicle

>>11522624
>guy wearing a mask inside a buried freighter after being trapped there for months
LOL
Ever heard of a red herring? This is a classic red herring, because they tell you EVERYONE but Zartan and Billy are dead. Not even 8 issues later (reveal is 10 issues), they brought Firefly back. You know how long it takes to make a toy? 14-12 months. So i think it's pretty obvious that issue you're posting is where Hama was told that Firefly was bring brought back into the toys. The storyline that Firefly comes back in starts in another 4 issues from the one you posted, so that was the plan for the storyline.
You can point toward Hama saying he doesn't know what's going to happen from one issue to the next, but there's obviously still planning going on. There's going to be a rough outline, based on a list of characters and themes that Hasbro gives to them that needs conform to their toyline for the upcoming year.

There's a reason why Hama didn't kill anyone in that freighter in the first place. He couldn't kill anyone, because he knew Hasbro might reuse the characters from one year to the next, so he just buried a bunch of unused characters so he wouldn't have bunch of seemingly important characters doing nothing for dozens of issues. For a writer, this makes them super happy. So when Hasbro finally confirms that they're not going to use those characters anymore, Hama can finally say they're all dead... except for Firefly and Zartan (+billy), because they're going to be part of the upcoming ninja focused storylines, because ninjas are important for the toyline from 1992 to 1994 (1995 wave created but not produced, because it takes a year to produce a toy).

So again, i don't really see Firefly's return as some big stretch. If he wasn't such a background character, it's not surprising he came back, because of how common red herrings are. And since he was such a blank character, you can easily make him into an important character relevant to an important backstory.

Thoughts on Acid Rain 1/12? I thought tacticool + exoskeleton looks pretty cool

>>11523078
If anything, if it was planned, it makes it even more retarded. Imagine deliberately planning out this drivel months in advance and thinking it's just fine let's pencil and ink and publish that. But I guess it's not off brand for Mahvel.

I've been playing XCOM2 and thought that it would be cool for my Joes and Cobras working together against some invading alien force. What are some cool near-future 1/12 alien figures that can roughly fit this scenario?

>>11523052
If it didn't fund maybe they'd put some real thought into what the fans want. The people deciding what gets Haslab'd are out of touch with the people hired to do something with the project. Is this not apparent to you?

>>11522948
How about Dusty as the driver?

>>11523091
Why is that retarded?
Again, Cobra Commander didn't kill anyone and just buried everyone alive. Great excuse to get rid of a bunch of double crossing characters who proved themselves unfaithful without upsetting anyone else, because they were basically just being imprisoned. Sets an example for everyone else to stay faithful to CC, without bloodshed and MAYBE a hope of being let out someday.
Firefly doesn't want anyone else to know what he's up to, probably because he knows how untrustworthy some of the people he's buried with are, so he goes to the furtherest corner where escape is impossible, with a bunch of broken BATS to scrap their way out. Smartest motherfucker in the joint.
And because he's such a background character, who's even going to notice him? He's not Dr Mindbender or Zartan, who have taken leadership roles. He was just hired help for specific roles, so barely anyone else knew him. He gets to duck out and then plant a dead mook in his mask, when the first batch of people get sick.

And again, a red herring is so that people are caught off guard when a twist happens. You're told EVERYONE died, so you can't suspect any of the characters that got revealed to die. But since red herrings are so common, it's kinda flat now. If anything, Firefly being revealed as being alive is one of the better red herrings, because he was such a background character. Finally gets some characterization, despite being a named character for so long.
His being a ninja master isn't out of nowhere, because someone needs to have trained those bazillion ninjas that already appeared and their/his backstory still hadn't been filled in yet.

126 comic book issues isn't actually a lot, btw. Barely about a book's worth of content, even if they pack in a lot of action every issue. Each issue is basically a micro-movie, hence storylines actually needing 4+ issues to tell anything decent. To get any depth, you need more than that.

Fuck off and go back to /co/

>>11523119
#1 reason why it was all retarded: Cobra Commander WAS DEAD. He was shot in the back and buried six feet under. End of story. Yes, they "explained" how he came back from that, but again none of it made any sense and also he apparently just sat around doing nothing all that time and waiting for someone to come back to his grave before he made a move.

I could again go through every plot point after that and just list everything that happened in sequence which should be enough for any sane person to see what I'm talking about, no further explanation needed, but I guess it's not going to be enough to convince some capeshit fanboy like you who's determined to be an argumentative idiot and interpret everything unreasonably in the writer's favor and frankly I'm not interested in debating and this thread isn't even the place for it.

If you like crap comics, good on ya.

>>11523114
But it did fund, so the people have spoken. Personally, I preferred the Snowcat to the generic helicopter.

All I can see coming from this is them maybe pulling back from more unusual, specific vehicles and just offering safe, boring shit.

>>11523151
Well now they're going to say because it didn't fully fund it's... actually I don't know what they're even talking about anymore. They're old or retarded or both and they've decided they rather just be mad all the time

>>11523086
I'm 100% getting the Proteus and some other guy to try them out, but not a fant of the exoskeletons, Honestly I wanted them to be more like the classic ARW figures (bottom picrel), that's the Acid Rain aesthetic I expected, not these super high tech dudes. Has a price been announced yet? The small figs are like 30 each, if it's twice that for 6 inch no way
then.

>>11523160
don't bother, you won't appreciate how much better they are than hasblow

>>11523146
>none of it made sense
People get shot all the time and recover.
People are left for dead, because they can't feel a pulse, and get buried/thrown into a pit and manage to stay alive.
Nothing that happened was impossible. It was all completely realistic.

Cobra opereratives spying on each other was established pretty early on in the series, so CC being saved by a Crimson Guard is ... well, it'd be retarded if he hadn't been saved.

Cobra Commander staying in the shadows, while he recovered and watching as various groups fight over his organization is actually pretty smart. Gotta make sure it wasn't part of bigger conspiracy. Some people wanted him out and a group was supporting the pretender, so who's to say they wouldn't call him a fraud, because the pretender was more useful for their take over? Should he have revealed himself during the civil war, that was backed by two of his enemies?
The fact he waited as long as he did, consolidating a group that was faithful to him, and during a lull in the organization was smart. Especially since the leaders of the groups that he feared would double cross him were all starting to fight again and all in one spot.

Also, since you switched from hating on Firefly to hating on Cobra Commander, it just sounds like you're bitching just to bitch. Comic books may be soap operas written for teens and manchildren, but GI Joe was generally well written and higher quality than almost all action movies.

>>11523173
>Also, since you switched from hating on Firefly to hating on Cobra Commander,
No, I'm still hating on Firefly (actually not the guy just the retarded plot that brought him back from the dead) and I even had a bunch of arguments ready before I decided I'm not gonna waste more time on you.

>>11522708
They're up on BBTS for PO at $35.

>>11523008
>a camping site?
It's a remake of an existing item you dunce.
>minimal effort here
Winter versions of characters are the type of thing you're supposed to get in a Haslab so you aren't paywalling mainline figures. And Sunbow winter versions of Flint and Lady Jaye are loved by the community.

Didn’t one of Soft Master’s students get locked in with the freighter as well?

Should I be worried that Crystal Ball seems to be out of stock and not really available anywhere? I don't collect that many GI Joes, but this guy looks like a super cool Disney villain. He'll go well with the upcoming ghost troopers.

>>11523354
Burger? Check Wal-Mart, he's in their collectors' display going up with the new reset.

>>11523360
Only one out of 3 of my local Walmart had the collector's reset, and the shelves on the one with the reset are picked clean. Do you think the collector's display will be in all Walmarts, or just select ones. I'm hoping I can catch the other two when they reset, but I'm not going to drive around waste gas and check 3 Walmarts per day.

>>11523360
>>11523443
Also, more generally, will this character be in high demand? I don't have that much experience chasing domestic store exclusives, but looking at people malding over Marvel generals over Target exclusives seems like it is kind of a pain. Also, I've never seen Walmart doing toy display in glasses, I hope this is not just a special "collector con" run.

>>11523443
You never can tell with Walmart. In my case, I would go to the next town over and go to the older of their two stores, as they tend to do resets first, as well as get "special" stuff like this. YMMV if you live in a larger city.
>>11523448
The original ARAH figure was the butt of many a joke, but people seem to really like the Classified reimagining. Those Ghost Vipers being hls troops may make him even more popular. Expect some places to get cases of them that don't move, while others will never see anything but the price tag on the peg, unfortunately.

>>11523354
I got a he's running late email from Walmart so I hope they don't just cancel it

>>11523158
kek is that you Emily? GTFO of my hobby, goblin jew

>>11523151
>duh peepo hab spokeen!!
Uh, no? a few thousand people with more money than brains just HAD to have every single Classified item and that's how it got funded, apparently not enough to get every tier unlocked making them even more retarded because now they're paying 300 for an unasked for vehicle AND NO EXTRA FIGURES

>B B BUH NO QUIRKY UNUSUAL VEHICLES BOOHOOO
Go play fucking gundam for your weird alien tech shit, weeb

>>11523193
>pretends to speak for everyone else
This is the kind of fucktarded mindset involved in how haslab projects are chosen. You don't speak for anyone but yourself, shithead.

>>11523518
I've been an active member of the online collecting community since the 90s fuckwit. I've been around long enough and had enough conversations to have a good idea of the general mindset of the community. Unlike you you fake ass fan.

>>11523140
For a series of toys based on cartoon(s) and comic books you seem to be acting just a tad elite here.
"Wah! Go back to your dumb old comic books. you have to be mature and logical like me as this is a toy group."
You sound pretty silly.
"Somehow the X-men have returned - again"

>>11523536
Most of these people who complain don't even read comics, hence equating GI Joe with capeshit just because they're comics.

Some autists just hate the overlap with this series, not liking this thread isn't purely about the toys, hating that comics/cartoons exist for this series and that other people enjoy the characters from them.
they feel left out.

Even people like >>11523179 don't seem to know much about the comics, hence hating on some very basic story structures. If it's not straight forward and has a twist, it doesn't make sense, thus crap.

I find it really weird how other boards are proud that they can get into meaningful discussions about a series, yet /toy/ can't do that at all. Barely a blip of recognition most of the time and anger if you show any sort of knowledge about a series.
I used to think it was just anger at Transfags wanting to discuss their series when Generals didn't exist before and people would fill the board up just by making threads about Starscream or Black Arachnia, but even after Generals became common, people would still get angry if they discussed the characters/stories. This board is just too full of autismos, who don't even go to other boards to talk about lore/story/characters, because they only care about buying the physical toy and that's literally it.

It's no wonder there's too many people on /toy/ who seemingly quit the hobby as soon as a toyline is killed, not realizing that you can still enjoy your toys after production is stopped. And it's kinda sad there's people like this in this thread, since GI Joe was one of those few toylines that kept getting a General after it was killed in the mid-10s, because it had fans who just actually enjoyed the series.

It's so crazy. I always wanted a snowcat as a kid, but never got one. I don't like the Haslab style of doing business, but destiny is calling me. You nigs better help get that Lady Jaye included.

>>11523533
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, corporate nigger. Go back to designing MLP you trashcan liberal fuckwit.

>>11523560
>Most of these people who complain don't even read comics
That's horseshit on its face, because Hasbro themselves long ago discarded the comic book origins of the characters themselves; eg cobra commander being a used car salesmen and the signature hooded head sculpt. None of this is part of the current Classified meta and we both know why. They don't give two shits about comics or the characters. They just want to cash in and stay as SJW positive as they can be so they don't offend any possible new customers like you and this other faggot >>11523533

>>11523579
>>11523578
go away vala scum

>>11523580
I don't even own any valaverse shit, millenial gay pride nutjob. I bet you own ALL the gay pride shit from pulse don't you LMAO

>>11523560
>Most of these people who complain don't even read comics, hence equating GI Joe with capeshit just because they're comics.
It's capeshit because nobody fucking stays dead and characters have literal super powers like Snake Eyes over there who goes into a ninja trance and dispatches entire armies on his own.
Some characters even wear literal capes which is actually kinda rare in Marvel's superhero universes.

And since you're not apparently going to shut up even though nobody even argues with you anymore I'd like to see your explanation for how nobody found Serpentor's frozen cadaver wearing Firefly's mask suddenly appearing in their midst a tad suspicious, especially when Dr. Mindbender the guy who stored the corpse in that same freighter was literally there and could have identified it based on the arrow wound alone. (The arrow from Zartan's bow, another guy who was right there, Firefly's old buddy from way back when they were trying to kill Snake-Eyes in Japan shiggidy diggity)

>>11523583
>>11523578
that's a lot of projection

>>11523595
>no u
wow deep comeback, unoriginal just like your haslab shit

>>11523597
it's not a comeback, just stating facts

cry and seethe

>>11523599
looks like trash

lol it's a garbage truck carrying your dreams to the dumpster haha

>>11523579
Disagree. The comic tends to be the main lore and comic shit is either used to create repaints/exclusive figures or in the case of Battles Armor CC having a cartoon snake head, trying to sell a figure while holding off on the version they'll release down the line (IE Fred).

Classified's only "lore" was a flop of a video game and they immediately backpedaled on basing the line on the game due to fan complaints about it's designs. The line has been a mixed bag of video game designs, SE movie shit, 80s toy updates in the 6 inch scale, modernized figures, comic, and Sunbow/DIC

Hama and the Marvel Comic gets a lot of passes for the bullshit they pulled sometimes (undoing the death of CC after explicitly killing him off and having him declared dead due to Hasbro explicitly not wanting to have any wiggle room to bring him back and the Firefly retcon shit when he came back) because the cartoon was a hot mess that was irrevocably tainted by the Cobra La retcon which the DIC run canonized until they said "fuck it" the second they were allowed to put CC back in his classic hood/uniform outfit).

For CC, a lot of fans were pissed when he was killed off and while Fred is a lot more loved than Ratbat, who took over running the Decepticons when Budiansky got made to kill Megatron off, pretty much the entire fanbase was willing to go along with Hama ignoring his own story about how definitive CC's death was because killing CC was a retarded decision and were glad that Hama finally managed to get Hasbro to let him undo it realism be damned.

The original comic has it's flaws but it is way more consistent than the cartoons, which didn't know if it was farce, sci-fi military drama, moralist tripe, or high octane nightmare fuel.

>>11523608
This. Everyone hated Cobra Commander's death and were basically willing to allow Hama to pull shit out of his ass and disregard his previous story involving his death, if it meant his return. Note that Marvel put Cobra Commander on the cover of GI Joe #100 and did a fourth wall break with it, with Cobra Commander declaring "I'm back!!!!!".

>>11523608
>because the cartoon was a hot mess
No it wasn't.

>>11523608
>>11523611

But they didn't really need to bring Cobra Commander back to life. Just fucking make Fred man the fuck up. Ditch the hideous battle armor for good, have him wear Cobra Commander's hood and military uniform. Hell, they even changed the color of Cobra Commander's uniform to black when they brought him back, so they could have had Fred wear a black version to symbolize that he's going to become darker and deadlier and kill people like Zartan and Mindbender who have treated him like dogshit.

Fred unleashed could have been a fun new direction, especially since as a Siege, he should be a top tier bad-ass operator.

>>11523614
See the guy's post. The cartoon was schizophrenic as fuck in tone and what it wanted to be.

>>11523617
The black uniform was so badass. In my mind it's the definitive "look" for Commander, though I dislike the whole asspull that preceded it. Then only a couple issues later they made him wear this gold helmeted... thing.

>>11523608
>n the cartoons, which didn't know if it was farce, sci-fi military drama, moralist tripe, or high octane nightmare fuel
yes. it was glorious

Please put on a trip

>>11523617
I also don't really think it was necessary. I've always thought the time between the original Commander's death and his return was the peak era of the comic. It included the war on Cobra Island, which is probably my favorite G.I.Joe story of all time. I saw no problem with Fred assuming the identity. He may have been an incompetent, indecisive pussy, but that's sort of realistic. He was just a figurehead while his lieutenants were doing the work. It didn't stop Cobra from being a cool, threatening bad guy organization, they had enough awesome villain characters to pick up the slack. I was not familiar with the cartoon back then but now I can see it's also similar with CC's characterization in the cartoon.

>>11523655
Cobra Civil War was always tainted by fans who complained about how it wasn't a "real" Cobra Civil War because it wasn't the real CC and Zartan basically killed Serpentor, who comic fans always felt was constantly getting shafted due to Hama's hate boner for him. Most wanted Serpentor to win purely to force Hama to be forced to have to write Serpentor as the official big bad since with CC dead and Destro stuck in a redemption arc that undercut him getting his own villain faction, was the last best hope for a major villain in the book.

>>11523589
>it's capeshit because of a common trope found outside of capeshit at least a 200 hundred years before capeshit was even created
You're a retard who clearly hates books.

And the reason why no one bothered to look for Serpentor is because who even checks for bodies in deep storage? The freighter existed as a base/storage facility for years, so a whole mess of shit was kept inside of it.
Who's going to specifically check for hazardous material, when they were only checking to see why they stopped hearing noises coming from inside the freighter? They triple checked all of the people who previous entered the freighter that day when everyone was buried alive, because those were on CC's enemies list. Why would medical waste be on that list? Even Mindbender, who died on the freighter, forgot about it.

You keep acting like Firefly came back to life all of a sudden, when the fact is, nobody was killed and their deaths were completely by accident/negligence. A few people managed to escape and tried to keep it a secret from one another, except one guy did a better job at it than the others. So a bigger plot hole is: how did Zartan and Billy manage to escape when people would have been looking to Zartan as a leader while inside the freighter?

Nevermind it's still an obvious red herring story element and Firefly fake out death was obviously planned out before that comic was ever drawn, because Hama would have a list of characters/vehicles the comic needed show maybe a year beforehand.

>>11523589
is this copypasta? or did you mean to reply to someone else? Fucking nonsense rambling that has nothing to do with what i said.

>>11523337
Or was it the Blind Master's student?

Zartan, Mindbender and Raptor all knew Fred was an imposter and went along with it for their own reasons, Billy and that boat captain who took Fred to Cobra Island knew he was a fake and wanted to expose him, everyone else, like Firefly, Croc Master, Voltar and some Vipers were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>11523589
That Firefly put Serpentor's body in his costume instead of just some random mook nobody would recognize was one of the stranger plot holes of the era, not just because even with Firefly claiming to have disfigured the body's face, there'd still be the arrow wound, but chiefly because it was an earlier plot point that when Destro usurped control of Cobra, he'd removed Serpentor's body from the freighter and taken custody of it to ensure Mindbender's loyalty.

>>11523649
Bro, chill. We've always had comic and cartoon discussion in these threads. People will probably be posting a lot more Rattler and Cold Slither pics soon.

>>11523655
I feel like Fred had run his course by the time of the civil war story, and Serpentor should have won to give Cobra a more competent leader again. Instead they had to bring Destro back to Cobra to take over and demote Fred, which put an end to the Iron Grenadiers as a third faction.

>>11523662
Yeah I suppose there's been shit writing long before Marvel existed. Doesn't make it good when Marvel does it.

>>11523664
>That Firefly put Serpentor's body in his costume instead of just some random mook nobody would recognize was one of the stranger plot holes of the era, not just because even with Firefly claiming to have disfigured the body's face, there'd still be the arrow wound, but chiefly because it was an earlier plot point that when Destro usurped control of Cobra, he'd removed Serpentor's body from the freighter and taken custody of it to ensure Mindbender's loyalty.
Not just the arrow wound but a cadaver that's been in cold storage for months/years (however long it had been since the civil war) would look very different from a freshly dead body. And out of the people on the ship, Dr. Mindbender at the very least should've had enough medical knowledge to recognize that. And I don't quite buy him just "forgetting" he stored Serpentor there. He was clearly planning to keep open the option to clone him if needed. How do you even forget someone like Serpentor, especially when you're literally the one who created him? He wasn't curious about the freezer being empty? And how large was that ship anyway? How much empty space for Firefly to hide his own digging operation with all those other people stuck there? Did the B.A.T.'s not make any noise when they were working?

>>11523683
I can suspend disbelief about Serpentor's body just because he's not a normal human, and Mindbender and the others being too focused on trying to escape, the bigger issue is that Serpentor's body wasn't even supposed to be there anymore.

The implication was always that Mindbender could just revive Serpentor if given the time and resources to do it.

>>11523690
Plot twist... Mindbender had already cloned him. That was the second body.

>>11523664
I don't think that's a plothole, because the body was supposed to have been used for its organs afterward and Destro stole it to reveal it was still intact.
Mindbender obviously got the body back after being threatened.

>>11523683
Obviously, no one brought in medical examiners to preform autopsies and just relied on the toxovipers to test the most obvious cause of death.

Also, you forget that they were in tropical island. Do you know how bad heat and moisture is, even in caverns, which the freighter would basically be when buried? Moisture would definitely be a problem underground, so decomposition would be really bad. Bodies turn into mush pretty fast from that alone.

Also also, who's to say Dr Mindbender wasn't one of the first people to die on the freighter? Or fifth round of deaths? or tenth? His death only had to be not the last one. And why would he be checking on medical waste, when you have to worry about keeping your clothes dry and not having any lights? Some rotten corpse is the last thing on your mind when you're buried alive, which Firefly does point out that Mindbender did forget about.

And digging doesn't make a lot of noise, especially since any large rock formations were blasted apart when they were buried.

>>11523712
Mindbender telling Fred he was going to cut up Serpentor's body for organ donations was an obvious bluff and he was clearly planning to resurrect him. I don't think Fred was present when Destro stole the body, so it wasn't about revealing Mindbender's bluff, and even Fred probably wasn't dumb enough to believe it.

We can headcanon "Mindbender just got Serpentor's body back from Destro at some point", but the real world answer is Hama and his editor both just forgot, and never worked an explanation into the story. Both Hama and the Devil's Due run would later run with the idea of there being one or more duplicate Serpentor corpses created just to fool anyone looking for the body, while the real one was hidden until he could later be revived.

>>11523731
>but the real world answer is Hama and his editor both just forgot,
Indeed Hama has later admitted he doesn't read his own comics. He forgets shit all the time. Including that time Sneak-Peek just sauntered into the frame being all "hi wassup guys" even though he died years earlier. Was it Hama coming up with another ass-pull of a resurrection? No, he just forgot.

>>11522644
Hama's start in comics was for comic strips, where continuity and consistency in story telling was incidental. it was all about getting you to want to read the next strip or page. it shows and he was probably taught "dont worry about all that shit" when he was brought in

>>11523683
>Dr. Mindbender at the very least should've had enough medical knowledge to recognize that
Isn't he just a mad dentist?

>>11524104
Oh we all know what he is.

>>11523731
You're just looking for plot holes that aren't there and i doubt you read the comic.

It's like this guy >>11523665 who's never read a book in his life, just repeating that "capeshit is bad because they bring characters back to life" meme, not understand what the actual meme is or criticism behind it is. He just says it's bad because everyone else says its bad, because he literally doesn't know.

I admit, i had to look up this comic to make sure, but i remembered the rough of it. No where does it say that Destro is keeping the body from Mindbender. The implication behind these pages is that Destro had to take the body to ensure Mindbender wouldn't just destroy it and used BATS to keep everything secret between them, to ensure Mindbender will do Destro's bidding.
So not only does this show that Mindbender would simply get rid of the body if it meant not getting in trouble (ie, it's not as important as readers make it out to be), but that Destro has been recording everything from the BATS, because's he's involved with their manufacturing and has more control over them than everyone thought.

>>11523740
Most writers admit this, hence a lot of them praising their assistants for keeping track of things for them. This doesn't mean they're bad writers though. A simple continuity error doesn't make their entire work bad.
Also, that post is about recent times. I mean, how did he google shit in the 80s and early 90s? He always talked about keeping track of the characters for Hasbro and that's why he was never fired despite his constant push back, because they relied so much on him.

>>11524133
>Most writers admit this, hence a lot of them praising their assistants for keeping track of things for them. This doesn't mean they're bad writers though. A simple continuity error doesn't make their entire work bad.
Logical consistency is like the only objective measure for the quality of a writer's work.
There really isn't anything else.
Who knew, most "writers" are bad? Especially in the genre of science fiction?
In fairness, I think I read in some interview that Hama primarily considers himself an artist. I doubt he ever took the G.I.Joe writing gig extremely seriously. And no, just that some of his stories had plot holes and were bad, doesn't mean everything he wrote was bad. Sometimes he completed an issue without making a mistake! That elevates him above a lot of his colleagues.

>>11524189
You've been nitpicking at comics you haven't even read this entire thread. What do you know about logic?

Post a picture of any comic you own that proves you're not just some bot shitting out contrarian posts.
Are you an actual GI Joe fan, or have you been faking it the entire time for shitposting reasons?

>ib4 im mean for gatekeeping
yes, I'm mean for gatekeeping some person who's talking shit about a subject he knows nothing about.

What is the most obscure "oh that exist" classified figure?

>>11524212
Did I ever say I was a "GI Joe fan"?
I'm not gonna post a comic (my old stack of G.I.Joe is at my parents' house anyway, that's how much I care about it) but instead I'll post a toy and some actually good military science fiction.

Now what? Will you finally stop replying to me? Will you send a picture of your dick next to your Spider-man collection? Is this leading up to something?

>>11524258
I have her skull mask on Shockwave since I lost his hat and the mask fits perfectly for some reason

>>11524259
>Did I ever say I was a "GI Joe fan"?
You're in a GI Joe thread and have been trying to talk to people talking about GI Joe.


But thanks for confirming all you've been doing is just shitposting, just like i thought.

>>11524272
G.I. Joe and Military Figures.
Not all military figures are G.I.Joe and not even all the G.I.Joe toys are connected to the comics.
>But thanks for confirming all you've been doing is just shitposting, just like i thought.
Okay?

>>11524275
Again, you already confirmed that all you replies were just to shitpost about a subject you know nothing about.

If you don't want to talk about it, why try to add your 2 philipines pesos to the GI Joe discussion? You're a shitposter.

You don't see me making any negative posts about your book, because I'm not some douchebag who just wants to create problems because someone likes something i don't. I literally don't give a shit and i ignore it, because who cares. See how easy that is?

>>11524259
>>11523578
Why are you ban evading?

>>11523600
you lost kek

>>11523664
Billy was the Soft Master's student before Scrap Iron killed him, Rip Cord's GF, and maimed Billy.

Zartan killed the Blind Master when Blind Master confronted Zartan for killing SS's uncle after he quit Cobra. Then took his form when Billy sought Blind Master out to continue his Ninja training/help him avenge his dad.

Which is another plotline I wish we could have gotten: more CC and Billy interaction and not seeing CC go full regression/wanting his son dead when he came back. We could have gotten a more humanized CC with Billy agreeing to work with him in exchange for Cobra doing less evil and more good.

>>11523740
>Indeed Hama has later admitted he doesn't read his own comics. He forgets shit all the time.
This also explains why the late IDW issues had Mindbender trying to create a new version of Serpentor with a different DNA mix that included Genghis Khan this time, Hama and his editor both forgot Genghis was one of the original DNA sources.

>>11523098
Shoutout to anon from couple threads ago who recommended NECA K-Tron. It is a really imposing well articulated alien robot figure.

>>11524133
Anon, you seem to have misinterpreted the context here, it sounds like you took Mindbender's earlier conversations with Fred at literal face value and genuinely thought Mindbender was going to cut the body up for organ donors.

In the scene you've posted, Destro has had Serpentor's body removed from the freighter and flown from Cobra Island to one of his other bases, confronting Mindbender with the fact that he'd lied to Fred, and Serpentor's body is very much still intact, and "salvageable", in other words, capable of being resurrected. Destro is blackmailing Mindbender to ensure his loyalty (both in terms of the threat of exposing the truth to Fred that the body is still intact and could be resurrected, and in terms of just taking the body away from Mindbender), and Serpentor's body is Destro's leverage over him, readers would have no reason to assume Destro would just give up that leverage and return the body to Mindbender off-panel without it even being addressed.

>>11523664
Wasn’t Tyrone on the freighter too?
He was the Blind Master’s student.

>>11524423
That's the guy I meant in the post that anon was responding to, couldn't remember his name. Poor guy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>11524411
Is English not your first language? Because I never said anything of the sort.

Also, way to ignore the page i posted and my explanation about how Destro doesn't need to keep the body, because the BATs were video recording themselves taking out the body from the freighter, recording the transfers of the body to the helicoptor, recording the 10 hour long flight over the gulf and most of the east coast, recording the landing of the helicopter onto a New Jersey beach resort, and recording the entire conversation between Destro and Mindbender in front of the frozen body of Serpentor.
It's fucking 4-5 different camera perspectives taking upwards of 12 hours of video EACH... and you think that Destro KEPT the body? Despite nowhere in any part of the comic even insinuating that Destro is keeping the body?

Maybe English is your first language and you just have extremely low comprehension level.
Does Hama literally need to spell out to you that video proof is all Destro needs and that Destro could literally fuck up the entire Cobra organization at any second he wanted because he managed to remotely order Cobra BATs to fly out of Cobra island with high clearance material using a Cobra helicopter without any problems whatsoever?
I mean, come on dude. Sure, Larry Hama tried to keep the quality of writing pretty high, but GI Joe was still written for children. You really can't tell me you missed the entire point of Destro's show.

And Mindbender obviously cares more about his own life and job than the body, hence Destro taking the body in the first place. If Destro didn't take it, Mindbender could have just destroyed it to deny it was still around. It's not that important; a side project he doesn't have time for. Which again, is confirmed by Firefly when he said that Mindbender forgot about the body still being in the freighter after they were buried alive.

>>11524411
>>11524468
Please exchange contact info to take this private and maybe fall in love

>>11523664
What was Cobra Commander’s problem?

He's beautiful

>>11524586
Red on the swords looks cool. Wish they'd put some more paint on the vest though

>>11524591
Yeah if I had the talent I'd paint the pouches at least different.

>>11524586
I got mine today too. I like him, but I feel like I want to like him more....he's one of the figures I was looking most forward to out of this line, and I just found him to be "ok."

>>11524586
It's funny people were upset it wasn't hyper neon... forgetting that even this will get a retro release later... with an accurate backpack surely...

>>11523354
I don't think he'll be that hard to find. I've seen people posting their restock pictures, and it's not like the character is that high in demand compared to other reset figures. Usually character popularity is fairly indicative across Walmarts. Even if he never come in stock online, I bet people can get him for 30-35 bucks range online.

>>11524580
He was pissed, wanted to kill all of his enemies but wasn't ready to fully reveal himself as being back and a lot of people were buried alive to keep them from warning Destroy, Zarana, Baroness, etc.

Yelena and Red Guardian 2-pack headswap quite well into Classified. Yelena figure comes up way prettier than her irl actress. The jumpsuit also makes a good generic "engineer" character.

>>11524721
Looks a bit large desu

>>11524682
This test display is very rare at WM

>>11524722
Yeah that's fair. Marvel Legends are 10-15% larger scale than Classified, and Classifieds are 10-15% larger scale than Black Series. I was hoping that maybe MCU scale is a bit smaller than comic Legends (early MCU Legends were in scale with Black Series), but seems like the scale creep has gotten into MCU figures as well. Also Yelena on screen is also not the skinniest chick.

>>11524736
>>11524722
The jumpsuit body is alright though

>>11524377
>NECA K-Tron mentioned
Eyyy, I forgot I had one of these beauties.

>>11524721
>>11524736
>>11524753
>cool headswaps that fit
Nice.

>>11524796
I should probably post joes in the Gi Joe thread.

>>11524798
Jelly about the Unkvals - they'll make excellent Joe antagonists. But price of these guys are rising faster than bitcoin. I don't like the football themed reissue as much.

>>11524819
>the football themed reissue
I'm also not into the sports theme nor the shiny red armor of the new Smashers Assault Unit. I'm waiting on a sniper Unkval with camouflage or at least a military foliage green color scheme.

Heads up: Halo jumper and sniper chick have hit Ollies for $13 a pop.

>>11524753
didn't work on rose tico doesn't work on this either

>>11523354
>from pegwarming 80s jobber with gay mind control shield into Ctulhu God warrior

They nailed the redesign on this one. Can't wait for the Ghost Vipers and other spook themed figgies

I understand that this is a gun heavy franchise but would it kill Hasbro to put in a pair of closed fists?

>>11524996
you are expecting too much out of hasbro
It’s not like they can’t do it, they’ve done it for several figures, they’re just cheap

>>11523119
>For personal survival and promise of riches!
Based. My new life's purpose.

>>11523599
Im backing out bros, we got 3 days and we got only >500 backers. None of the unlocks will be included. This thing aint worth the $325 plus tarriffs by itself. I held out but nah, not this time Hasbro.

Remember that time Snake-Eyes spoke?
He could have talked all this time, but he chose not to.
What an asshole.

Remember that time when toys were posted?

>>11525648
Yeah, you wanna post pics of yours? Go ahead. No one's stopping you, champ.

>>11525668
I already did
>>11524586

>>11525648
I'd love to post some Crystal Ball or Night Force Beach Head and Quick Kick, but my Walmarts are being real fuckin slow on putting up those displays
>>11525668
Cute

>>11525672
What's stopping you from taking more pics? Free Snake Eyes from his cardboard prison and pose him.
>>11525675
>cute
Thanks.

>>11525668
>>11525707
Which classified Scarlet has better headsculpt? The first one with blue pants or the second one with brown pants?

>>11525712
The next one with no pants ;)

>>11525731
WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE

>>11522942
I'd pay for the characters + food/cooking accessories.

>>11525712
Which classified Scarlet has better headsculpt?
Easily the first one with blue pants. The less make up, paler skin, and prominent freckles make her extremely attractive in my opinion.
>>11525731
Don't out me so easily...
>>11525758
There's a thread for that.

>>11525208
sure champ

>>11525675
Your pics really sell these figures and bow I want that fucking Breaker, goddamn.

Non-joe collector, is this real and is it coming soon? (Halloween maybe)
Looks neat with the potentially glow in the dark stuff

>>11523119
>Again, Cobra Commander didn't kill anyone and just buried everyone alive. Great excuse to get rid of a bunch of double crossing characters who proved themselves unfaithful without upsetting anyone else, because they were basically just being imprisoned.
>He didn't kill anyone
>He just trapped them inside a landlocked shipwreck, and sealed it up in a cavern under a volcano
>He had no idea if they had any food in there
Anon, come on. He left them to die slowly rather than just shooting them, to send a message to everyone else, and counting the grunts in there, a lot more people who were blameless got imprisoned alongside Fred and the three people who knew he was an imposter and kept his secret.

Arguing he could have maybe changed his mind and let them out one day so it's not so bad is pretty weak.

>>11524580
Cobra Commander was on the brink of quitting and going home to be a family man when Fred shot him, buried him and stole his identity. The experience of almost dying seemed to have killed any humanity left in him, he came back more ruthless, crazy and evil than ever before.

>>11525585
>He could have talked all this time, but he chose not to.
>"I just didn't have anything to say."

>>11526166
Yes
I suppose it's possible, but highly unlikely. Don't think it's even gone up for preorder.

>>11524468
This is the last I'm going to say on this, because >>11524476 is sick of us arguing on this, but why do you think Destro stole Serpentor's body from Mindbender's lab and flew it to one of his other bases?

Destro can fly what he wants out of Cobra Island because he's in charge of Cobra by this point. After the Civil War, the Baroness told Destro that Cobra Commander was a fake. When Fred was dumb enough to move against Destro, he lost, and Destro ended up running Cobra. Destro stole Serpentor's body to ensure Mindbender's loyalty to him, it's that simple.

Nowhere in the comics does anyone raise the idea of destroying the body, for the same reason Hama makes a point of constantly reminding readers Serpentor is "salvageable", he's conditioning readers to accept that if Mindbender has the time and resources, he can resurrect Serpentor, and if Hasbro order Hama to do it, one day Serpentor could just walk back in like nothing happened.

Firefly claiming he found the body back in the freighter after Destro took it was something a number of readers noted as a plot hole back in the day, it's something the Devil's Due comics felt the need to explain, I'm not just one random schizo who's the only person seeing this.

>>11524476
>and maybe fall in love
>irreconcilable differences on Serpentor continuity
It would never work, anon.

>>11526166
If you like glowies, Valaverse has this.

>>11526166
Yes, but it'll be a Walmart exclusive, so good luck getting it if you're in the wrong region.

So was the AWE/Crankcase release really a fucking stealth SDCC release? Everywhere online seems to indicate it is and that it is already fucking good for $180-220 on eBay. Do I need to fucking jump on it ASAP ala Classified Dial Tone before it starts going for Haslab prices?

>>11526787
Bro, you can still PO the AWE on pulse for retail.

Cobra-La is cool and all but when are we getting Gi Joe Extreme

>>11526952
G.I. Roid

>>11526181
>He left them to die slowly rather than just shooting them, to send a message to everyone else, and counting the grunts in there, a lot more people who were blameless
But that's what i said... except for the blameless part. If you're buddy with a traitor, how can you trust that buddy? You don't, hence trapping everyone together.
>Arguing he could have maybe changed his mind
Well he did, hence resurrecting Mindbender

CC could have killed all those traitors without ever burying anyone. He didn't need to make an elaborate rig of explosives to bury the boat. HE didn't even need to wait for the traitors to ride down to the freighter. He could assassinated everyone weeks/days before. He was already in charge of all the important leaders for possibly a month before the freighter got buried, but he waited.
It was a bloodless coup and he wanted to keep them alive, because who knows if they'll have any use later on. It's possible he kept others out from entering the freighter, since he had a list of who went inside in the first place. Shit was planned and he allowed them to live in that freighter, that was full of rations and other equipment (lights, maybe generators?)

BTW, if you read the comics, you'd know that they had explosives and tanks inside that freighter. Since none of those were used, it's pretty clear that CC had that shit moved beforehand.

So why a bloodless coup? Why just imprison them, despite CC having a raging thirst for revenge? Because a lot of Cobra worked for those traitors. CC still used the dreadnoks and kept Zartan's own family employed. Even if Zarana wanted to replace Zartan and take over his operations, would she want him dead? No, hence CC just imprisoning all the traitors and keeping them all alive. CC was smart to not give reasons for his current mooks to want revenge.
Them being traitors is their own fault, so they get punished. Them later dying was an accident, because Mindbender bought the cheapest rations he could.

>>11526952
Me in the back

>>11526188
All your questions would be answered if you actually read the comic. Destro wasn't in charge of the organization, hence the fights between Cobra and Destro's group. He had to work JOINTLY with them, hence Cobra Commander/Fred still being in charge of everything... with someone working with him to watch his every move.

What Destro did with Mindbender was to show how much power he had over them. Robots that can't be bribed or coerced, who are found at every level of the Cobra operation. So overtly, Destro has a partnership, but covertly, with the BATS, he can uttertly cripple the organization and take almost everyone out if they try to break away from that partnership.
Since Fred was still in charge, that's still a problem with Mindbender, hence stealing the body. Again, Destro DOESNT need that body to keep Mindbender inline (hence being returned to the freighter). He has a hundred hours of video and the BATs for that. Destro needed to take the body, to prove it was still intact, because Mindbender could have destroyed it at any moment to save his life/job.

And again, if you read the comic, you'd know it's not Destro's base they fly the body to. It was to a beach in front of an entertainment/shopping district. That city was controlled by Zarana/Cobra, not Destro. Again, there's no insinuation that Destro is keeping the body, because it was Destro revealing how far his power actually extends.

also, Devil's Due comics aren't canon. They were a mixture of cartoon shit and Marvel's stuff, which made for trash reading. It's basically licensed fanfiction. Bad fanfiction, which is why i never bothered to get all the comics.

also also, of course Serpentor's body could be of use. Mindbender wasn't doing shit with it though. Like the people buried in the freighter, Hama left that open just in case Hasbro wanted to do something with them in later years.

>>11526203
I was excited to get this since it was discounted at Valaverse.com, and the aftermarket prices for the original are too expensive.

I ended up dissapointed seeing they made the butterfly joints softer and don't stay in place. Is there a way to fix them?

>>11526402
I'm starting to think exclusives exist solely to encourage scalpers.

>>11527084
he's a small boy trying his best

>>11527195
kek

>>11527195
Just like me <3

>>11526203
this looks stupid

Would it be too crazy if I buy a cheap drone and design 3D frame around it so it can be a chinook-style helicarrier for my figgies? What are the chances I lost control of the drone and send my figgies crashing into someone's backyard?

>>11527291
Nevermind, those are just the release mechanism. The drone themselves cost $1k-$20k.

When do they add the mysterious large number of backers from other places that happens sometimes

Anybody else have Crystal Ball cancelled on them by Walmart for "inventory issues"?

Did they fuck up and accidently have CASES instead of single figures ready to ship out because the UPC on the packaging is also on the shipping boxes?

>>11527313
cope

>>11527073
CC did a kill them all coup because he was tired of the backstabbing and was coming off the heels of two attempts on his life (Baroness sending his kid to murder him and Fred shooting him) plus Serpentor being an existential threat to him.

Also, CC straight up planned to murder Zarana and even had his CGs grab her and tell her she was going to be put to death in front of OG Cobra Commander. The only, ONLY fucking reason Zarana didn't take a bullet to the head and her corpse hung from a flagpole like CC eventually did to Billy, was 100% due to Zarana and Baroness kidnapping, mindraping, and brainwashing Clutch and Rock and Roll and successfully returning them to GI Joe, where they would expose the location of GI Joe's HQ and help kill everyone there for Cobra. With Baroness retired, only Zarana knew how to activate the sleeper programming to take the plot to its conclusion.

But most of all, CC went hardcore upon his return because Hama realized Cobra had become a huge joke and needed to make them scary again. Hence him making CC even more evil, "killing" his son and a bunch of Cobra guys. And why CC literally kicked a dog and brainwashed and entire town into becoming Cobra followers and got away with the later.

>>11527343
Yes... but... It was still up for preorder so I preordered it right after they cancelled it
What a shit show!

>>11527151
Too bad.
I miss some of the Devil’s Due characters.
Like Firewall, Mistress Armada, and Mayday.

>>11527430
Devil's Due WAS considered a canon sequel to the Marvel run until the 2010s when IDW had Hama do a new sequel run that ignored it, and picked up exactly where the Marvel book ended. It wasn't considered 'non-canon fanfic' at the time it was being published except by the kind of turbo autists who'd screech and reee about GI Joe comics having any other writers than Hama ever. And even then, Hama did write some comics for DD, and people liked them. Somehow Hama considers the Storm Shadow solo book he wrote for DD to still be canon within the Marvel-IDW-Skybound continuity.

We've had a Classified figure of Kamakura instead of the 'Throwdown' identity he took on in the IDW books, so it's not impossible that we might get more figures from that era of the comics.

>>11527355
They make a lot of threats, but it's all part of the game in setting up the new order.

CC made a lot of death threats to everyone he buried, but he's just relishing how much control he has over their lives, and just dumps them underground instead.
The CGs making death threats is part of that game, to show the seriousness of CC coming back and putting everyone into their place. Obviously, Zarana was never going to be lumped in with the traitors at Cobra Island and was instead taken over to one of their US fronts. She gets imprisoned until she praise's CC's return, shows the value of her work, and she's a boss again.

You're missing a whole mess of information that was told in the comic.
Why would CC want to kill Zarana when he didn't even kill Fred and Bird Accountantman, the people who meant to kill him? Why'd he take the time to fly Mindbender and Bird Accountantman halfway across the US and into the Gulf of America, but not Zarana? Characters like Mindbender still had value for Cobra, but they aren't given time to make their case to CC like Zarana did. Why's that?
This is classic HS-level storytelling and you'd be getting an F-grade for not getting it.

Cobra Commander made up his mind about all these things months/year ahead of time and every played their role he already knew they were going to take. CC is smart enough to know how to handle the people in his organization, who to trust, and who he still needed around. Zarana never had an active role in supplanting CC's leadership or death, and she was still needed. So she reupped her membership with Cobra and brought Zartan's organization with her.

Maybe when CC cooled down, he could bring back whomever from the boat. Dumping Mindbender/Firefly/BigBoa with Fred would probably make Mindbender/Zartan/Viper#12 work twice as hard to prove his loyalty if he got rescued. Of course, everyone dying killed their chances, so whatever.

>>11527461
DD was just a mishmash of continuities. Who considered it canon?

>>11527502
>>11527461
BTW, when i say "canon" i mean Canon to the Marvel comics. You know, since we're talking about whatever happened in issue 75-100 from the Marvel comics.

There were 3 or 4 different GI Joe canons running at the same time for a while. The card files canno. Marvel comics canon. Sunbow canon. They were all their seperate thing, except maybe DIC.

Devil Due's mixed all that shit up, which makes it its own canon, but because they were such fanboys, it all came off so amateur it was basically fanfiction.
Whatever happened in the Devil's Due comic is completely seperate from Marvel's stuff, especially since it doesn't follow the Marvel continuity. Larry Hama eventually writing for them gives them some cred, but it was still its own thing, hence IDW's taking up where the Marvel comics ended and not Devil Due's dredge.

>>11526787
Presumably because of the fact that the Cold Slither box set got a lukewarm response, Hasbro surprised everyone at SDCC with a limited run of the AEW Striker for people at the convention to buy.

The copies currently floating around on Ebay are going for rape dollar prices for people who want them ASAP. The current release date for the figure is December at the earliest and while >>11526832 is right that it's still in stock at Hasbro Pulse, there is no fucking guarantee it will remain in stock for much longer let alone if you actually get it or in a timely fashion.

But mainly, it's going for those prices because the AEW Striker and Crankcase is a pretty iconic vehicle/driver for the GI Joe side and people are still remembering how impossible the Vamp/Clutch was to get. Especially given the rumors that the bulk of the production run was sold at Comic Con and Pulse is only getting what little is left.

>>11527502
Everyone considered DD GI Joe canon until the first volume ended and they straight up killed Lady Jaye and kept her dead, because the writer at the time had an insane obsession of Flint/Baroness hooking up.

This pissed a LOT of people off, causing them to swear off DD and at best, handwave #25 as the true and proper finale of the franchise; especially since after #25, Hasbro started taking a more hands on approach with the book demanding that the title feature all of the new characters created for the Valor Vs Venom toyline.

Also, Zarana was marked for death by CC because it was heavily implied that she was fucking Fred on the side, once Baroness hooked back up with Destro.

So what the fuck happened to Dial Tone? I never saw him at retail and the cases of the figures he was supposed to be shipped with didn't have him with them.

>>11527564
They fucked up his figure ala Cover Girl and Falcon and unlike those two, they pretty much pulled him from circulation ASAP to damage control shit.

It will be a couple of years before we get a fixed version and even then, they'll fuck him up like they did Retro Cover Girl or put him in a garrish Tiger Force costume with a proper white passing Italian American head.

>>11527564
Apparently Hasbro moved production from China to Vietnam, and he was just being produced in Chine when it was halted. Who knows if he'll come out again before a retro card.

>>11527564
Last guy I talked to who would know said he was still coming but was set for later this year. And checking his online store, he actually just posted about getting him instock about 2 hours ago. Wrong continent for most of you to order from but it bodes well for a wide release up your way considering how much stuff we miss out on

>>11527591
>>11527575
>>11527566
Man, this would be one of the few times when having names would benefit, just so we'd eventually know who the liars are

>>11527597
Here you go mate, I ain't pulling your leg. I found another site that has it in stock too but this is the one I was talking about
https://pop.toys/product/g-i-joe-dial-tone-149-classified-series-6%e2%80%b3-scale-action-figure/

tossing your enemies into a freighter is so fucking retarded that we're trying to figure out how to make it less retarded. gi joe in the hamaverse had plenty of stupid shit in it, and gi joe has always had retarded shit in it. from glow in the dark crystal ball cthulhu to super trooper, the space shit, to the pogo, the line has always been about ridiculous crap and we should just embrace and not try to understand it on a deeper level than it was meant to be.

>>11527621
>don't question just consume!

>>11527575
>Apparently Hasbro moved production from China to Vietnam
Yeah, like 15 years ago.

>>11527189
>Is there a way to fix them?
put your figure in the freezer

I always assumed he wanted them dead and did it in this spectacular manner just to make a point because he had a flair for the dramatic. He posted guards around the mountain to be double sure in case the prisoners didn't die just from falling into the hole and having tons of rock cave in over them and they'd dig themselves out but he still probably didn't actually expect that to happen, because that seemed rather unlikely, you know?
If he wanted the prisoners to be on hand and retrievable in case they were needed he wouldn't have done this, he'd just put them in regular cells.

In Hama's credit, though, he did actually show the B.A.T.'s being stored in the ship along with Serpentor's corpse at the end of the war so he didn't completely pull that out of his ass.

>>11527621
The comics had Cobra Commander blow up a volcano to collapse it over some traitors he imprisoned. The cartoon has an episode where he uses gypsy magic to summon ghosts of historical warriors and makes them fight for him. It's... different.

So will arctic Lady Jaye be unlocked today or will it miss the deadline?

>>11527844
We'll have to wait and see, so how about a kiss for luck

Am I on /co/ or /toy/? I can't tell anymore...

>>11527844
Has BBTS put their order in? They'll probably buy 300 to 500 units

>>11527951
If you're here with me you're in hell.

>>11527343
Mine has been delayed due to inventory issues
I almost think I should just walk into a store and buy it

>>11527562
DD was an officially licensed GI Joe comic, but it was its own canon. It didn't follow the Marvel canon, because it mixed up elements from different continuities to do its own thing.
Most people did not like the comic though. People WERE excited because there was finally a GI Joe comic again, but that died so fast because it was pretty dumb. This is why it didn't last long, unlike IDW's stuff (and it's longer lasting Marvel canon that has survived two different publisher (2 and a half? bcause DD tried using it in a half assed way)). I didn't like the comic, because again, it was not quality writing. AND it was very fanboyish and just came off off as something you'd find on a fanfiction site.
I actually tried completing my collection, but couldn't muster the effort to read those missing issues and never bothered buying the rest. It was just too shitty. Whereas i re-read my Marvel issues so many times i had to rebuy certain issues after they fell apart AND bought the trades to make re-reading them easier... and keep my Marvel collection in mint condition.

>Also, Zarana was marked for death by CC because it was heavily implied that she was fucking Fred on the side
okay, but where does it show that CC was bothered by that in the comic? And again you're only ignoring the actual story, where Zarana was treated completely different from the traitors.

>>11527621
Most of the people arguing are just shitposters who hate comics exist and the other 2 hadn't read it since they were 10 years old, hence forgtting what happened in the comic and not understanding basic story concepts like red herrings and contextualization.
One of them REALLY loves the Serpentor cult, hence mixing up stuff written from the Devil Due's universe with Marvel's universe. It's like saying Taskmaster from the Avengers was always female, just because he liked the Black Widow movie.

>>11527707
He went out of his way to not kill them. How long does it take to plan out a trench for a large freighter that's completely landlocked to travel down a man made river into a mountain and also create a cavern in that mountain to fit that freighter? Meticulous as fuck to get that shit done.
Guy's EXTREMELY controlling, because he lost control of his own organization, and trying to put everyone back into place after being betrayed. Showing murderous intent is part of an act to make sure everyone goes along.

The Marvel comic wasn't like the cartoon, because they casually killed a couple of people every issue. So they weren't avoiding showing people dying. I mean, just 30 issues earlier they had Fred killing Cobra Commander by shooting him in the back. Yeah, they retconned it later, but at the time, CC was straight up murdered in full frame.

Another thing that was going on in the comic is that there were diplomats and business men on the island for a convention, so Cobra Commander was also putting on a show for them too. A lot of fireworks to bring attention to the fact that Cobra was back under old management.

As for the prisoners digging their way out... again, the freighter was previously used to hold ammo and heavy equipment. The comic goes out of their way to show that stuff isn't there anymore and that their supplies would barely be enough to survive on by the time they manually dig their way out 24/7. Hard as fuck labor. Again, it shows CC planning this shit out.
And since they were dug out after they stopped making noises, it shows that their deaths weren't (all) intended, because someone could still have been alive by the time they dug their way inside. If they only wanted to make sure everyone was dead, you just check for holes and there's a million ways of doing that, especially in a limited area.

I don't think you guys understand how stories are written, because all these scenes are pointedly written this way and isn't just happening randomly.

Just ask him, the writers still alive and answering autistic fan questions on Facebook a few days ago

>>11528333
I doubt he even remembers the arc exists. See: >>11523740

>>11527951
Its toy, i doubt co would tolerate such things but i havent been there in years.
I loved the jsa anon an their stirytimes

>>11528354
I hardly ever see anyone post there about anything older than 2005, would they even know what G.I.Joe is?
But it's starting to feel like this discussion should be moved to a thread there.

Ignoring all the spastic comic discussion bullcrap that no one actually cares about, Hasbro Pulse just took the money for the Trench Viper sets I ordered, so I guess those things will start shipping out soon. Anyone else order the Cobra-in-a-Box sets cause I know these were supposed to ship out a while back.

Kinda steamed the Joe set gets the better weaponry, but the Trench Viper is a better figure over the Steel Brigade, so I guess it balances out.

>>11528333
Or just read the comics, because it's obvious some people haven't read it or forgotten what happened in them.

>>11524372
Kahn's DNA was missing in the cartoon right?

>>11521972 (OP)
I miss when hasbro did the O-ring two packs. They cancelled both the regular 3.75 joe line and their revive O-ring sets, its like ARAH is ashamed if its origins

>>11528675
If that were the case they wouldn't stay so slavishly close to the original designs when doing new Classified stuff. The reason Hasbro doesn't do smaller figures anymore is because they don't make enough money off of them, it's as simple as that.

>>11528688
No my childhood can't be outdated. The company that only wants to make money is purposely not making money by not making things I happen to want

>>11528712
We ain't making it to 12,000, but I think we might get the Lady

>>11528675
I love that i get so buttmad over hasbro killing reyro for o rings just to give up and license it out.
Ive since come to like the sky striker but i dont have it. The one time i hated a project i hoped it failed. I do think the hasbro figures look better than super 7.

>>11528675
o-rings are outdated and only giant nostalgiafags give a shit. so of course Hasbro stopped making them, because no one was buying them.

I wish they'd kept the modern 1:18 line alive, but i can understand why no one gave a shit, because they released nothing new. Just slightly updated bodies of designs everyone already owns 5 of. ... AND the line was a Walmart exclusive.

Hasbro fucked up.

And they fucked up even more by cockblocking Hiya from releasing the updated designs in 1:18 in the US. Fucking Hasbro.

>>11528826
You're talking out of your ass. The GI Joe team straight up said the o-ring sets sold very good.

>>11528873
>it sold so well that we won't make anymore
>t. company who chases anything that makes money and also will never admit if something ever goes wrong
No doubt, there's an asterisk when they said that, like "we sold all our shipments, but stores only sold 1/10th of their stock because only giant nostalgiafags bought them"

Just so you know, i have over 200 80s and 90s GI Joes and really don't give a shit about them. I haven't opened their boxes in like a decade, but i bet 90% of them have snapped in half because their rubberbands rotted away. No doubt, my early 00s GI Joes rubberbands have started to rot away too, because rubberbands are shit like that.

As much as i loved my childhood toys, they're completely outdated and outmodded, and hate that companies waste resources in creating new stock for that crap.
So I'm happy when they silently cancel those shameful products.

>>11528911
O-rings rotting isn't nearly the issue you make it out to be. I have hundreds of Joes and I've only had to replace a few. And it take 30 seconds to replace them. O-ring will always be the superior toy. And they are back bigger than they have been since the 90s.
>No doubt, there's an asterisk when they said that
Not really. The line was ended to narrow al the focus to 6 inch.

>>11527638
>>don't question
you can, but its a stupid toy line made for stupid fun. buy what you want, shitposting faggot retard. dont really care

>>11528931
>not really
>Hasbro canceling a line that sold well
lol

That's as big of a cope as you saying the o-ring issue not being a problem. It's 100% an issue, because 100% of the rubberbands have rotten. No ands ifs or buts about this.

People have been finding mint on card figures with their rubberbands snapped for the past 30 years. By the 00s, a lot of the mint on card vendors at conventions stopped bringing them around, because a ton of their stock was visibly broken. It was super fucking evident by then and the only reason you think it's not common is because most of the shit you see on eBay are those that still haven't broken.... or are barely hanging on thread like pic.
Maybe some person who doesn't know the signs of a broken rubberband will pay up for pic. Who knows how many others are like this, because you need to jiggle them around to see if the torso wobbles (a sign the rubberband is no longer tight and cracked/rotted).
Every single GI Joe from the 80s and 90s is suffering from rot, but they're at different stages of being broken. Completely snapped. Elasticity lost. Cracked. Stiff/hardened. Shredded. Hanging by a thread.

... and this isn't even my problem with the vintage figures. My problem is the fact that they all have mushy sculpts, shit articulation, and crappy paint compared to the modern (25th+) 1:18 figure. Wanting the old figures is like wanting a movie on a VHS tape versus a DVD or BD. The only reason to want that shit is completely "muh nostalgia"

>>11528982
People buy moc for the cards and sealed bubbles. I wouldn't care about a snapped oring. Places like small Joe's sell like 100s in a bag.

1st tier down, can we get to at least the second in less than 24 hours?

>>11529027
You really want that tent? It would probably get a fomo boost if Flint was the next tier, but I doubt anyone is going to be excited to push for that shit.

>>11526952
Did they ever make vehicles for GI Joe Extreme? I have a hard time imagining they'd be able to sit in them easily.

It blows my mind that Hasbro laid off most of the original GI Joe team after acquiring Kenner. Kenner's figures had durability going for them with their simple 5POA designs, sure, but I remember when I got my first ever Star Wars figures in the 90s I was disappointed by the fact that they were the same size as GI Joe but had the same articulation as my Batman toys. Granted, Kenner figures were way more durable than GI Joe, but mixing the two was a terrible idea.

>>11529027
I think we have a good shot at getting the campsite. We could get 1700 pledges because a lot of people buy in on the last day, but we'll have to see.

Poor Flint is a bit more of a longshot, but never say never. We're already in the home stretch, and now that people know they're at least getting the vehicle and 1 figure we might get a swell of renewed confidence. I'm not gonna give anyone false hope like "maybe they'll sell Flint at retail of he doesn't back" but I think we might get some last minute support. Have reasonable expectations but also have some faith. We have managed to get all unlocks on every Classified Joe vehicle before, after all.

And if you want a plan B, you can get a 1:12 scale coat on eBay that should fit Classic Flint just fine. I would rather have the official one, but I'm gonna get some white parkas for a few Cobra characters so it's something that was already on my radar.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/375972699485

>>11529035
I want to get the most bang for my buck, and the next tier is the tent. If it's between the tent or nothing, then yes, I want it.

>>11529108
Hell yes they did, and they were as uninspired as the figures, I only have a soft spot for these because I got that Sgt Savage as a kid on '95. The line was a clear downgrade from the ARAH figures.

>>11529027
People will be surprised, but I can guarantee it'll make it all the way.

>>11528826
Huh? Who other than 40+ yo nostalgists would be into G.I.Joe at all?

>>11528982
>Wanting the old figures is like wanting a movie on a VHS tape versus a DVD or BD. The only reason to want that shit is completely "muh nostalgia"
A better comparison is wanting a record over a cd. O-rings are superior toys to the 25th line.

>>11528982
>Every single GI Joe from the 80s and 90s is suffering from rot, but they're at different stages of being broken
Why lie like this? A self admitted you haven't touched your figures in years. I have literally hundreds of vintage Joes that have strong original oi-rings. And like I said it takes 30 seconds to change them if they do break. It's weird that I already told you that fact but you still try to lie.

>>11529257
Not to mention broken O-rings can be replaced. Can't really do anything about the shitty quality of a deteriorated VHS tape.

>>11529258
>It's weird that I already told you that fact but you still try to lie.
Stubby can never admit when he's wrong

>>11528911
>"its outdated by my arbitrary standards ergo i hate it
Retard 6-incher mindset. You hate toys

o ring is based

>>11528675
>its like ARAH is ashamed if its origins
They sold them at stupid prices ($40 for a 2-pack of 3-3/4" figures). So they didn't sell fast and well. Throw in the fact that the retro figures clearly looked cheaper. Their efforts really were half-assed.

>>11529411
The 2 packs werent $40

>>11525707
>>11525668
What nude body is that? The skintone matches perfectly

>>11529258
Where's the lie?
Rubber rots. Undeniable fact. Again, you might as well tell me you don't age.
>And like I said it takes 30 seconds to change them if they do break
This doesn't change the fact that rubber rots.

>ib4 technical argument about what rot is
arguing just to argue, when you know what "rot" means. I dare you to take any 80s figure and take a picture of its rubberband for me, which means stretching the body, breaking it then and there
>ib4 you post a figure where you already switch the rubberband out with a fresh black one so it doesn't snap
... if you're smart enough, you'd get one where you switched the rubberband 12 years ago, so it's only discolored and still hasn't developed any cracks or stiff areas.

pic are some facts..... this is such a dumb argument. Anyone want to talk about how Cobra Commander didn't continue Destro's scheme in selling military equipment and went back to hiring out his army? It's only in recent years where i realize the consequences of using a private army to also take over the nation they're helping out, thanks to the conflict in Ukraine, despite that being spelled out in the GI Joe comics. Didn't really think that happened IRL.

>>11529345
I barely collect the 6" figures. I bought more Mezco GI Joes (all 5 of them) than I have Hasbro's Classified line, but since people have gifted me the classified figures, i own more of them.
And i own more o-ring figures than you. Again, from the 80s and 90s line, i own over 200. From the 00s line... probably a little more than that.

WE'RE COLD DINNER
AND YOU'LL BE JOINING US SOON

>>11529662
If they'd opened with photos like these instead of just renders I think the campaign would have funded a lot faster.

>>11529620
>The skintone matches perfectly
It does but the neck peg doesn't fit at all. I needed a glob of sticky tack to fill in her head. It's Crazyfigure Girl Body with the Wave 1 Classified Scarlett head.

>>11528672
It was Sun Tzu's DNA they didn't manage to get in the cartoon, and used Sgt Slaughter's instead. Which is possibly why cartoon Serpentor's interaction with the world around him is more like a wrestling heel.

>>11529671
Nah, if they didn't shill the camping gear as much as they did and offered actual GI Joe addons to the Snow Cat, it would have funded better. A clssic Canopy, something to swap out with the missile turret, like a guuner turrer or radar dish. Boring figure unlocks also sucked. They literally had a snow bunny Scarlet render and didn't put that in. Gotta have at least one gooner bait fig per Haslab.

>>11529790
This is old right
I would hope something new would give the Sabertooth more articulation, although it is just a render
Sorry I'm new to the brand

>>11529790
Lady Jaye isnt coomer enough for you?

>>11528780
How does it feel to be wrong?

>>11529852
Good!
Why wouldn't I want it to get fully funded?

The Bivouac unlocked about an hour ago. Fingers crossed, the Joe community might be rallying and we can still get Flint before the campaign ends. It'll be a photo finish but he's still in reach.

>>11529790
If they had included a snow leopard pet for the Joes with the Snow Cat, it would have fully funded in the first week.

>>11529790
>Boring figure unlocks also sucked.
tourist

>>11529888
>RPing as Cobra trying to make people not back it
Well whoever updates the HasLabs clearly doesn't post here
>>11529890
Unironically I would want this, throw in a few Pallas cats with articulation.
I am curious if the animals do sell well, cause they've all been updated since the Crocodile and the Scorpion looks like the best one so far.

>>11529662
>>11529888
A BAND OF CAMPERS
EATING OUR FOOD

WITH AN IRON PAN
AND A COFFEE CAN
WE SHALL CHEW

>>11529914
That's how they've been doing it since the announcement. Even the page is written "in character" as Cobra Commander.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDJ2N-7Q_XU

>>11529907
A summer fag calling an old fag a tourist, now I've seen it all.

>>11529888
>>11529915
I have a good feeling. The pledges are coming in fast and we're already at almost 700 of the 2000 additional backers we need to get all unlocks, with 7 hours to go.

>>11529920
That guy who wants Haslab Joe vehicles to flop is not immune to propaganda

>>11527562
The second year of the book teased the idea of Flint and the Baroness hooking up, but it ended up just being the comic book cover equivalent of clickbait, and nothing really happened.

The DD Joe book was the first of the early 2000s boom in 80s retro toy- or cartoon- comics, and started strong, but the whole bubble had burst within a few years, Transformers and GI Joe ended up being two of the few books still standing (Dreamwave went out of business and Transformers went to IDW), but as early as year 2, DD were pulling stunts to try and spike interest in the book, like that teased hookup, a silent issue, and the return of Serpentor. A new writer started from #26, and seemed to be setting up a lot of long term plans, but just over a year later ended up doing a lot of character deaths to try and spike interest in the book again. A lot of them were ambiguous enough to be reversable, but Lady Jaye and Mindbender got definitively killed on panel, shortly before a relaunch. But no matter what they did, and no matter what later GI Joe books at IDW did, both their own continuity and the Hama relaunch, to a certain extent the audience for a GI Joe comic in the 2000s or later is the size it is and it's stayed more or less the same size. The Skybound relaunch got a sales boost for Hama's book on the early issues, but it didn't last long, while other books are breaking the trend by being part of the bigger Energon Universe line.

As much as Jaye's death was a deal-breaker for a lot of readers, the fallout in-story wasn't Flint/Baroness shipper teasing, it was Flint going off the rails and becoming a loose cannon.

>>11530020
Continuing from this, the DD comics were intended to be a continuation of the Marvel series, and frequently referred back to stories and issues from the Marvel run. They weren't "mixing cartoon canon", they just made more use of some characters like Shipwreck, Alpine and Bazooka that the Marvel comics had never used much, and gave them cartoon-influenced characterization, as they weren't really well defined in the comics previously, and briefly introduced a comic version of Hector Ramirez. Also Big Lob appeared in a hallucination Cobra Commander had of being attacked by the Joes, and a guy in a Cobra-controlled town was drawn as The Viper from that infamous cartoon episode, both of which were just harmless easter eggs for fans. They weren't incorporating actual cartoon storylines as canon to the comics, but even doing harmless shout-outs to the cartoon like that was a dealbreaker to some of the comic-only guys who seethed about the cartoon.

>>11528382
>Ignoring all the spastic comic discussion bullcrap that no one actually cares about,
To be fair, it's largely that one pompous gamma who's making the comic discussion so unpleasant for everyone, trying to set himself up as the oracle of GI Joe comic wisdom and accusing everyone else of being idiots who can't read, and only his headcanons and hot takes are correct, and guys like that always have to have the last word.

Maybe we're better off sticking to toy discussion.

>the Trench Viper is a better figure over the Steel Brigade
Isn't the Trench Viper just an Alley Viper repaint with less accessories though?

>>11529923
13,172 now, they might actually pull this off and unlock Polar Flint.

>>11530041
>might
There was never a doubt at any point in time.

>>11530029
>Devil's Due didn't try to mix the cartoon and comics together
>proceeds to explain how Devil's Due mixed the cartoon and comic together for their brand new continuity
I can tell that Devil's Due was where you became a GI Joe fan.

Also, that's nice of you to paint everyone who disliked Devil's Due comics as just people who hated that characters were being killed off, but a lot of people were turned off almost right away, since DD's continuity wasn't following Marvel's continuity and inserting the cartoon shit into their series.

Nevermind the writing was still pretty bad and was really fanfiction-y due to how fanboyish they got. The fact DD's comics lasted as long as they did is solely because it was the only GI Joe comic book in town.
IDW actually brought in real excitement to the franchise, despite doing their own thing.

>>11530058
Anon, could you just try and stop being That Guy for even five minutes?

>>11530061
Sorry, but I'm bothered by someone trying to spread misinformation, especially when they're trying to paint anyone who disagrees with them in negative light.

If he just liked what he liked, that'd be a whatever. You don't see me shitting on the people posting those lame Valaverse figures and this is probably the only time you'll even see me call those figures lame, because I'm just showing I'm willing share this space with people who play nicely despite my dislike for those figures.

THAT guy though? Yeah, he rubs me the wrong way with how he keeps pushing his head canon.

>>11530078
I actually don't mind someone being passionate about the brand
But it's been like four days

Jesus Christ, this is gonna make it. They literally pulled 6,000 backers in the last 3 days. Unbelievable.

>>11530095
So exited I forgot the pic

Jesus Christ, this is gonna make it. They literally pulled 6,000 backers in the last 6 days, 4,000 of those in the last 2 days. Unbelievable.

>>11530097
>Unbelievable.
It's normal. Every campaign ever gets 25-35% funding on the front end and back end.

>>11530113
It happens every time and people still doom and act surprised when it happens and then start saying they added fake backers.
Every. Single. Time.

>fully funded
oh no sisters, not like this

Did my part, you're welcum anons.

Lenny hinted the ASP was in the works during the IG reel. Hope this means mainline release of some female cobra troopers to recreate Spell of the Siren.

https://youtu.be/s9LEvkhhQ80?t=576

>>11530097
It's not only entirely believable this happened, it's 100% expected because *that's how crowd funding always works*. This isn't new, this isn't a surprise, this is how every crowdfunder always behaves. Including all the spazzes like yourself who are dumbfounded that what's expected to happen actually happens.

>>11530195
*successful crowd funds
If you don't spend time to include words like that you might get trapped having to go over every single crowd fund that didn't work because nobody remembers things more than two weeks anymore

>>11530195
>this is how every crowdfunder always behaves
Strange that people wait until there are only a few hours left. If I did that I would forget about it and miss the deadline

>>11530163
Maybe I'll see if anyone in these threads wants to sell their Lady Jaye years from now. I don't have the space for or desire for a giant vehicle like that. The HISS was enough for me.

>>11530163
Good job, Joes.

honestly i was kind of hoping it didn't make the last tier just so hasbro learned to pick less stupid fucking vehicles for these projects in the future but im happy you guys got everything

>>11530258
you have garbage taste

>>11530262
yeah and i think the same thing about you for backing this, but hope you enjoy it

>>11530258
You should feel bad because it means your way of thinking is wrong and they won't pander to you as much as people like this >>11530262

Notice how they've never done another black series haslab after they had a failure? or another muppet, or another lightsaber? The snowcat failing could very well have been the end of Joe haslabs. In the end, it didnt even get as many backers as the Skystriker, which killed the o-ring line, so we're still not safe. No one should want these to fail, even if t hey don't want to back it themselves.

>>11530226
A lot of people don't know how crowd funding works and will only pledge once base funding is successful or it hits the extra tier they want, which means that it's common they only back campaigns in the final hours.

>>11530290
I kinda think all those being first attempt failures have something to do with it, like it's not like it was the second lightsaber that failed while the first one made HISS numbers so they just decided to not try again.
I still get what you mean though

How long has Crystal Ball been back in stock? Just ordered him and it says it arrives tomorrow but I'm doubting that's true.

Not really a Joe guy, just wanted to say congrats on another successful campaign, it’s always fun to watch the line go up at the end. Hopefully the Gunship is also able to cross the finish line as well.

What a garbage haslab wasted spot.

What a wonderful haslab deserved spot.

>>11530226
FOMO kicks in, hard.

>>11530339
Good luck to yours

>>11528982
I agree with everything you said but it's also worth pointing out that fixing snapped bands is easy as fuck. You need a screwdriver and some rubber o-rings you can get at the hardware store for pennies.

>>11530343
This

>>11524586
This guy fucks. I love him
>>11524621
I'm thinking of painting his goggles

>>11530343
>>11530379
mmm delicious

>>11530414
Percolator. Nice! Mission accomplished boys!

>>11530402
>"In regards to 'why' a successful international terrorist army might spend their limited resources arming and training a highly specialized grenadier corp in leue of the relative abundance and effectiveness of modern mortar and explosive artillery systems, one can only speculate. It must be noted, however, the experience of those who met them on the field. One such soldier found his words in a quote from Hesiod: 'In the center was Fear worked in adamant, unspeakable... His mouth was full of teeth in a white row, fearful and daunting, and upon his grim brow hovered frightful Strife who arrays the throng of men.'"
Opening Snake Eyes made me want to open this Frag-Viper I've had sitting around too and he is arguably the better figure

>>11530290
Marvel Legends has a failed haslab and they didn't kill those, if this one failed they would have just adjusted the next one and if THAT failed it would be jover

I can't believe Cold Dinner saved HasLab

>>11530536
>Cobra needs a grenade launcher, and instead of copying a pragmatic design like the Milkor MGL or Hawk MM-1, they rig up a back pack with a gravity-fed hose to a fucking Jai Alai cesta.
The '80s truly were wonderful.

>>11530416
Moka pot, bruh.

>>11530572
Huh, I always thought they were the same thing

With the successful release of all tiers of the SnowCat HasLab, is that better for the rumor of a mainline Polar Battle Bear with new female arctic G.I.Joe trooper?

>>11530646
Or maybe even...

>>11530226
>>11530307
People tend to not back anything but winners, because people hate risk.
It's very common with sports and betting, where people only become fans after a team wins or pretend they always knew that horse would win the race. Or someone stole their winning lotto number.
Shit like that.

They won't back things unless it's a sure thing. So even if there's an overwhelming majority, people are still uncertain. It's like when Obama was squaring off against Mitt Romney for president back in the 10s. Shit was lopsided, yet the media acted like it was some close race.

Also, people are very poor planners. How many people wait to do some important essay until the last day? People do that their entire lives.
And ever heard of people living pay check to pay check? Again, some people don't know if they'll even have money for it until the last days.

I mean, there's a reason most companies who even make Kickstarters actually get bigger AFTER the Kickstarter... because getting the product (if it's produced) is a sure thing. No doubt, Hasbro would enjoy a lot more sales if they sold already produced vehicles on a later date, but DAT RISK.

Stock up for you cat https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/264091

Looks good

>>11530734
>mint green
No thanks.
>>11530779
Release him

>>11530734
Aw, I was hoping for a Artic BAT reissue

>>11530826
That's coming next year.

>>11530779
I got mine today too, the spectral accessories are awesome. Classified Series has a way of taking goofy Joe figures and making them look cool.

>>11531329
>>11530779
Yeah he's great, if they can pull off the Ghost Vipers as well as they did C.Ball those will be some killer figs. I just wish he had a better hand for holding his crystal ball more securely

>>11531359
Ha ha, you sound just like that Japanese guy

>>11531359
Agreed on all counts. I was trying to think of a vehicle that would play well with them and settled on either an Awestriker repaint/retool or a customized old school delivery truck, like the old Divcos.

Do you think Classified sells really well in Belgium? I was watching a toy collection video and a guy had a bunch of the original line because he said whenever he goes to Belgium you can pick them up really cheap because literally everyone had GI Joe as a kid, so that makes me think there's a lot of nostalgia for it over there.

They finally put them out

>>11531792
I need to pull the trigger on that double pack
Maybe it'll get cheaper in a few months

>>11531920
Wouldn't surprise me if it did. Great set though, love the Quick Kick

>>11531953
it has just occurred to me that quik kick here looks a lot like tommy arashikage in 'nam, haircut and headband look

>>11531953
I'm honestly kind of pissed with myself for getting the initial Classified Quick Kick, had I known they would've done this version of him way back when I would have easily skipped it. But I always figured he was one of those characters who'd be one and done so we were lucky to get him in the line at all.

He was never one of my favorite Joes. Even with all those Ninja running around, this dude going into combat with nothing but baggy pants and some candy bars always felt dumb.

They're literally taunting me at this point. Just let me give you money.

>>11531953
Doesn't look like Quick Kick to me, and reminds me more of Billy from Predator

>>11532311
Which is funny because they used that look for Spirit back in the PoC Days.

>>11523354
Should I be worried? I pre-ordered him and the TV show Spider-Man the day they went up, and I've always heard horror stories about Walmart pre-orders.

>>11532493
Yeah likely to be cancelled. I'd start checking in stores if you can.

https://youtu.be/SgbDqwh6-pE

They should bring him into Classified

>>11532493
Mine got cancelled... right when it went up for preorder again, so I was able to buy it and it shipped yesterday
Worried about TV Show Spider-man though.
>>11532597
Why did they call him Stupid Joe Commander

>>11532493
Mine was supposed to arrive at the 14th and just showed up yesterday, but for Wallmart who knows. IF you can find him to buy in store or online, cancel the preorder after you have him in-hand, but otherwise you may as well hang on till they either cancel it or deliver it.

>>11532001
I never picked up the original for the same reason, but now I'm actually considering it. It works more as a training getup, but then again, I'm pretty into the ninja stuff overall. And he comes with the fudgey bar.
>>11532311
>>11532444
I'd absolutely take a new Spirit with that look, Duke and Recondo as well, loved that whole set.

>>11532597
I don't know if anything from the 70s has been Classifed'd

I was wondering why I haven't seen anyone posing their Crystal Ball without the green fear gas on his shield, and now having it, I realize you cant really get that thing off once you put it on huh

>>11533848
There's a small tab sticking out of the snake above the skull, pulls off easy

>>11532493
Yeah I'm done with Walmart's website, canceled my other pre-order and deleted my account.

Don't you believe it?
Soon liars and truth tellers will be revealed, unless this is also a liar

>>11534812
It wouldn't be that surprising. Some of those guys are slated for September releases, and they usually sit around at the port and start shipping out within a 2-4 week time span, so it does line up.

>>11532493
I got mine from Wal-Mart a few days ago. Yours should be there this week. They're not as fast as prime but I haven't had problems with them.

>>11535008
It ain't coming bro, they dropped my order >>11534781.

>>11535008
Consider yourself lucky then, every time I order from Wal-mart it feels like I'm rolling the dice on whether I actually get the thing I paid for or not.

And if you're wondering, they let me keep the jerky, but it tasted awful and I tossed it anyway.

Classified rip off Prisoner figure? Just what I always-
>$70
Huh

>>11535423
I just got the Spider-man delayed

Has anyone EVER gotten a Wal-Mart preorder not cancelled

is YoJoe dead?
I used their database a lot but haven't been there in a bit

>>11537592
Yes, it was bought out by someone, hasn't been updated in a number of years at this point

Really wish they hadn't gone with molded silver

>>11537592
3djoes is the replacement site by the same people, but I actually still prefer yojoe's layout.

>>11537618
Maybe something like Marvel Legends Rom?

>>11537618
I might try customizing mine with some silver spray paint. I really don't like how silver plastic looks, and that was a huge problem people had with Super 7's initial Silverhawks wave. The Maximum Silver Surfer is currently the best compromise I've seen for silver paint, since vac metal is a nightmare for joints and paint apps.

>>11537618
I wouldn't mind it so much if it was at least consistent, having half of it being painted really makes it look even worse

>>11537618
Get some Tamiya silver acrylic paint, and fix it.

>>11538348
>Snake-eyes lightly juts his chin up several times. The man at his feet begins to remove his helmet.

>>11538359
>"I don't know what you heard or who you think I am, but you're wrong! There are hundreds of Frag-Vipers! You've got the wrong guy..."

>>11538363
>"Snake...listen, Snake, i didn't mean for that to happen, all right?! I didn't know she would be there! I just planted the bomb I didn't press the bu-"

>>11538367
LA lu LA lie lo

>>11538380
Colonel?!

New thread: >>11538527

>>11538527

>>11538527

>>11538368
Thanks for the content anon