Her ending is the patrician's choice. When you sit down and give it an ounce of critical thought, you realize Verso's ending is selfish and genocidal

Only if you consider any of the niggas in the painting to be real and not just an extension of Verso's consciousness.

>>712547150
The problem with that is that you consider mirror Verso to be real in that scenario -- which he isn't. his pathetic begging was just programmed by aline

>>712546874 (OP)
>It’s GOTY
We’re way past that. serious gamers are now considering whether it’s game of the century so far. Most experts in the field are trending toward Yes.

>>712546874 (OP)
But Alicia's Lumierians aren't the same. The only actual people he killed are Sciel and Lune.

>>712546874 (OP)
>marketing shill thread
Still not buying this overrated FOTM 7/10 slop, Ranjeet.

>>712547584
Go back to your gacha trash

>>712547150
Them being real is necessary condition for the game's whole story to not be a shitpost.

>>712547293
No, I don't. I consider it to be a fragment of him left in the painting. Real Verso is dead.

>>712547697
But they're not real... so I guess the game is a shitpost for you.

>>712546874 (OP)
bro, can you niggers stop shilling this unreal engine slop of a game
written by woman and faggots, already.
enough man, go away you faggots.

>>712547770
>I consider it to be a fragment of him left in the painting.
There is no "fragment" you retard. There is no "soul". Verso just painted the boy from his memories, just like Clea made hers to build nevrons

>>712546874 (OP)
>Sukhdeep didn't get the message that E33 is already forgotten
Grim.

>>712547584
why would an Indian shill this product? There’s not a single Indian , even as a background character.

>>712546874 (OP)
games mid I dropped it

>>712546874 (OP)
Sorry, you'll just have to step out of the canvas and take a shit.

>>712547880
Uh oh melty

How can the painted people be real when your foreskin isn't real

>>712547959
Indians know that the most effective insult they have is "you're like me."

>>712547976
your mid parents dropped u

>>712547770
>Player is originally presented with a story about saving the whole humanity from some eldritch thing destroying it
>"Oopsie none of it was real, even your first POW character wasn't real, it was all a dream and there were never any stakes, gotcha retard"
It is a kind of literary shitpost that should permanently end the writer's career. Also I am pretty sure that overwhelming majority of people responsible for this game's rating on the internet didn't finish act 2 - we all know normalfags drop games halfway through.

>>712547880
>There is no "soul"
Seems like headcanon since the only mentions from the game state that souls exist.

>>712548148
>indians pronounce V's and W's the same
>indian babel shill types POW instead of POV
kek

>>712547990
Top kek

>>712548276
>Lying

>>712546874 (OP)
>doesn't put her brother's soul to rest for her selfish needs
She's a cunt

>>712548524
What was her fucking problem?

>>712546874 (OP)
Maellefags are literally delusional.

>>712548698

>>712548148
If that's your takeaway then you're genuinely fucking dumb.
>captcha: AHAHA

should i get ghost of tsushima or lies of p?

>>712548698
Says a retard who can consider video game characters real enough to deserve empathy but can't extend that consideration a step further to the other video game characters.

>>712549071
Ghost of tsushima

>>712548995
Pretty likely given the average IQ of his country

>>712546874 (OP)
>NOOO IF YOU GO WITH MAELLE YOU STAND FOR GENOCIDE
>FREE PALESTINE
it's time to stop painting

>>712547293
>his pathetic begging was just programmed by aline
Wrong.

>>712547307
>game of the century
sit down stupid nigga, we're already delineating vidya time as pre- and post-E33. Researchers are honing in on whether or not it's the most important entertainment release in human history (again, signs trend toward yes)

>>712546874 (OP)
Wat gaem?

>>712549368
>a white woman of breeding age? Keep her in the painting!
>Just tell her it's genocide to leave.

>>712549443
we are in 25 years into the century so this is actually a realistic statement

>>712548623
This made me pick the Verso ending. She didn't have to come at him with the sword like that.

>>712549464
Boko no chiaroscuro

>>712549368
So you're saying Verso's ending is the jew option?

>>712549368
>it's time to stop painting
>the Esquie, Monoco, Verso grouphug
Kino

>>712546874 (OP)
dem niggas are already dead tho

>>712549630
they're both the jew ending stupid goyim don't you realize nevrons represent the golem and that writers represent torah scholars

Why are Maellefags spamming so much? Are they that broken over how transparent their choice and obsession speaks about them as people?

>>712549697
>replaying the game
>after goblu, in camp, Gustav says "We can't bring anyone back."
I'm getting really sad

>>712549731
But the Nevrons are created by Clea and the Writers are opposed to the Painters.

>>712549680
i cri

>>712546874 (OP)
Renoir did absolutely nothing wrong
His family is full of addicts destroying themselves and he was right to try to cold turkey them

>>712546874 (OP)
>choose maelle ending
>everyone was repainted to be her personal puppet of a happy family
>maelle is already losing herself to the painting
>she dies and everyone is either trapped in a never ending hell or they all get snuffed out anyway
>in her real world her family goes through another cycle of grief and broken despair
>same thing will happen to other canvas' that maelle has created; plunging other fully sentient worlds into chaos or oblivion

>>712549978
and then you realize Alicia most likely died of sepsis before the age of 25

>>712550091
>aliciafags in charge of not demanding the most favorable interpretation of their ending and the least favorable interpretation of verso's ending

>>712550034
He actually did plenty of wrong. He wasn't fixing the problem, just the symptom. It's the most noticable after Aline returned to the painting literally 5 minutes after he booted her out.

>>712550213
I'm still not sure how anyone is interpretting Alicia's ending favorably. It's very openly presented sinisterly as fuck, even if you agree with the logic that leads you to it.

>>712550213
I'm just being realistic, my dear anon.

>>712550091
She wouldn't mind.

>>712550240
He would've already been out of the painting with her, helping her recover, if his dumb cunt daughter immediately start making the same mistakes she did. Once they're all out in Verso's ending you can see how fine Aline is.

>>712550040
>good job
>headcanon
>potentially
>headcanon
>headcanon
>headcanon

>>712550240
he tried the more gradual approach but aline is a fucking addict. in the verso ending renoir has managed to assemble the entire family at a memorial, and aline give him a big hugga. In the verso ending the family is intact.

>>712550446
>headcanon
so the scene in the opera house with everyone who got gommaged is headcannon?
she didn't repaint them so she could have her perfect life that she wanted?
the rest is just a natural conclusion given what happened to verso's canvas.

>>712550609
She repainted them in the same way she "repainted" Sciel and Lune.

I kind of warmed up to genocide
Honestly fuck Jesus

The Jews were right

>>712550609
Referring to them as "puppets" implies she has control over them, which is just not true.

>>712546874 (OP)
I brought it from the hype then played thru the tutorial till i ended up alone as that french guy and sort of lost interest

Does the story become insanely good or something because the combat hasnt gripped me

>>712549680
>verso's ending
>best parts are him saying goodbye to everybody
>has the most hate filled look in any game ever
>all very touching
>maelle's ending
>best parts are verso begging and the artistic shots of him by the piano
>he's still the best part of her rending too
What a guy. Best part of his own ending, and the bast part of Maelle's too.

The Verso ending is the best outcome if you are a PainterChad due to the Dessendre family standing much stronger in the Verso ending compared to the Maelle ending.
The Writers want you to pick the Maelle ending because the Dessendre family is in complete shambles which tips the scales of the war in the Writers favor.

>>712550990
>The Writers
the writers wrote the Dessendres, theyre just game writers kek. You are favoring a made up family of artistocrat assholes over a whole world.

>>712550990
why would anyone like the painters?

>monolith is just a boss rehash speedthrough till you reach the top
so fucking lazy. i was expecting more for the big ending of act 2.

My idea for the sequel:
We now follow the family of the writers, who all turn out to be very nice and well-adjusted people who talk to each other about their problems.
You think the story has some potential?

>>712551485
useful for getting monoco feet tho

>>712551260
Nah, they didn't. Verso is secretly a writer though and he is the one who started the fire.
This is because Verso wants to play music, not paint pictures. The hint being that you write music, which is why Renoir disapproved so much which may seem strange at first until you realize the bigger Painter vs Writer war going on in the world outside the canvas.

Is that cringey Kojima game going to be the only other game that competes for goty?

>>712551485
It's cool though, and designed that way for you to take Monoco along and build him up with tons of skills since he wasn't around for any of the earlier areas. Youi don't have to go back and farm out all these skills for him, no time waste if you want to use Monoco, just follow the main path.
The last area before the boss fights is also not a rehash and it's one of the lengthiest sections in the dungeon.
There's also several cool new enemy types to fight.

>>712550871
The game is great but no game is for everyone. I recommend going a little longer, within about an hour or two you should be back up to a party of three. If it's still not doing anything for you then it's probably not worth continuing.

>>712551953
Probably. But I personally don't think it'll have a chance against Clair Obscur. If only because it's just more Kojimashit, like it or not. And he already has awards galore.
I feel like E33 might get a GOTY simply as an incentive, because that's their very first game and they already struck gold. Everybody loves a successfull underdog story.

>>712550892
>suffers
>is compelling
>nonstop kino shots
>jrpgfags seethe, they can't self-insert as him because he has a big dick and has sex
One of the video game characters of all time.

>>712551260
>theyre just game writers kek.
While I think this is a neat interpretation it's not really supported by the narrative of the game (they could only pull off the attack on the house because Alicia trusted/inadvertently helped them). By design, I think they were left vague because the writer/painter conflict is not important to the story outside of providing an impetus.

>>712550678
>>712550821
well that's what she's using them as by painting everything to her whims, as shown with verso who clearly isn't there because he enjoys it.

>>712552510
I wonder if the devs had any plans for the writers or is it just one of those JJ Abrams-type mysteryboxes that they threw in without much thought and are only now trying to hastily figure out what the writers are all about.
Because it would be cool if the devs already had the entire universe penned out, but this almost never happens.

>>712546874 (OP)
>killing virtual npcs is genocide
Wtf, I'll never play musou again.

Writer gang

The sequel reveals the the Writers are all British

>>712549978
we crode

>>712550871
>Does the story become insanely good or something because the combat hasnt gripped me
It's some crazy shit, yes.

>>712546874 (OP)
Game of the Year? Why oblivion ofcourse, Todd always wins.

>>712553586
To be fair, the story is actually VERY simple when you think about it. But it does a good job at building suspense.

>>712547912
3 months and counting.

>>712552360
I just think his design is stupid and overly edgy.

>>712546874 (OP)
His canvas, his rules. Sorry you got caught thinking with your dick.

I liked Verso's ending more. Maelle gets to move on and be with real people and still got to see her friends one final time. Verso got a good ending with his bros too. Maelle's seemed like everything was marching to her beat rather than their own.

>>712554130
What, like visually? He's the same as the others with some fur around the shoulders.

So I just finished the game, I didn’t do any real exploration since I finished act 2, but I get the feeling almost every optional location is empty and without anything interesting (except the reacher, flying manor and endless tower from what I’ve read).

Is this right? I don’t feel like exploring a world that has little payback, and I kinda feel I’ve got my fill of Expedition 33, I loved it but I don’t feel like getting burned on it jus to fight some chromatic rehashes

>>712555357
You're missing Renoir's Drafts in your list which has the coolest fight in the game.

>>712555357
there's a bunch of optional zones and bosses, but you're only going to have 3 (big) optional side quests from what I remember and those are from your companions.

>>712555357
If you've liked the game so far, you'll like the little bits the side areas offer. The fountain has some neat details on nevrons, renoir's drafts is obviously the final challenge, the flying arena has more gestral humor, etc. It's just some extra E33.

I can't really replay this game. Once you get parry patterns down, the game feels samey in every fight.

>>712557457
I can't replay the game, because once you get to know all the twists, the story doesn't hit as well.

>>712547770
>No, I don't. I consider it to be a fragment of him left in the painting
The game quite literally tells you that each canvas a Painter creates has them leaving a piece of their soul in it. It's basically like a battery that runs the world in the painting. It's not real Verso himself but it IS a real fragment of his soul which is part of why keeping Verso's only canvas intact is such a big deal to Aline. It's literally the only remaining fragment left of her son.

>But they're not real...
They are creations but they are still every bit as real as their creator intends them to be. They may not have any impact on the real world outside the canvas but within the canvas, it is still a world with inhabitants who have their own wills and live lives that are real to them. They still instinctively want to live and will fight as hard as they can to keep their world going. To say that doesn't constitute real would be like saying a world created by a god is not real because said god has their own existence outside of that world. It undermines the entire moral dilemma of the two endings. Maelle/Alicia's selfish escapism is only meant to be another point to weigh on the dilemma, not the linchpin that says "one ending is good and the other is bad because it's all fake."

>>712546874 (OP)
Why was P alicia able to stop time? P renoir didn't show us he can and verso didn't aswell

>>712558534
It's not explained. My guess is that it's actually Alicia doing it, pAlicia is just waking up some aspect of real Alicia's ability to paint when talking to her.

>>712558534
I'm guessing it's something she can only trigger when communicating with the real Alicia. The Curator/Real Renoir also briefly triggers the monochrome effect when he confronts the painted Renoir in the Monolith. So probably a byproduct of painters meeting their doppelgangers.

>>712547770
>But they're not real
They are real. They are just made from Chroma, but they are very real and have real agency, feel real emotions and live real lives, even invent new technology.

>>712555556

this shit was hard as fuck

>>712559287
gets you her best costume though

>>712559184
We need to study the brains of people who says "they're not real".

>>712558257
Especially when your creations make something that can directly stop you. Gustav’s lumina converter is what made them be able to kick Aline and Renoir’s asses out of the painting. Being able to beat your own God is real enough to me.

>>712557610
Really? On NG+ I liked seeing all the foreshadowing I missed. Like Maelle's dream showing Verso kill Julie's squad.

I know those characters aren't real because they had a stronger reaction at learning that Verso was Renoir's son than when getting literally revived and being told their whole lifes and world are just part of some dude's painting.
Also, the story sucks because it was obvious they were part of a fictional world from the start but instead of having the main plot revolve around the nature of existence and what "reality" truly means, they try to hide that fact to have le epic revelation that leads absolutely nowhere becaus eno character reacts to it. Verso knows from the start that he's not only part of a painting, but a copy of a real human being and at no point besides some optional content and the very end of the game he's shown to have an existential crisis.

>>712561061
That's because the main focus is on grief and how we handle it. The story isn't meant to be philosophically deep in the sphere of "what does it mean to be alive?" but instead "how far are you willing to go to hide from the truth?"

>>712546874 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>712561601
Tell that to the steller blade threads first and we'll talk about ads

It's woke doe.

Can somebody actually reasonably explain to me what "Verso" did wrong? Dude's the most tragic character and gets all the hate.

>>712561881
>Wants to commit genocide
>Asks why people are hating on him

>>712561881
Most likely high schoolers who haven't felt the full weight of grief yet.

>>712559287
cool challenge with one of the best outfits as reward

Of the Family, what's left of Verso is the only one who isn't completely selfish.
>you see in both endings he just wants to die
>but you see when you kill "Clea" he believes the people in the painting to be alive
>so he keeps painting forever so they'll live on
Everyone else in the family, Renoir, Aline, "Verso", Maelle, and especially Clea are self involved pieces of shit.

>>712546874 (OP)
Only retards like this game

>>712562612
Read a book

>>712562612
He REALLY wants to end it all but he's trapped in a kid's mentality where he's not allowed to do it.

>>712562612
>self involved pieces of shit.
>wife and daughter, PLEASE stop killing yourselves!
>no!
Yep, Renoir is so selfish he just gives up because his daughter made it crystal clear she'd rather kill herself.
Aline's genes are fucked up and Alicia inherited them all.

>>712562967
>just gives up
Are you retarded?

>>712546874 (OP)

>>712562680
what's your favorite video game?

>>712562680
Guess I'm a retard then

>>712562039
>genocide
Just say it's because he killed your waifu, there was no genocide there.
>oh no he's actually allowing his soul to rest
>THE MONSTER
>we should keep the child enslaved forever

>>712550990
>family...stronger
Nice try Clea you don't give a shit about family at all.
>Dad
He can stay in the painting forever I don't need him to fight my war for me
>Mom
I need mom so she can fight my war for me
>Sister
She can piss off for all eternity in fairy tale land because I don't need her to fight my war for me
>Verso
His final remnants needs to be wiped from existence so Mom stops not fighting my war for me

She doesn't give a single solitary fuck about the family. Even all her advice to Maelle is completely couched in radical individualism. All she cares about is HER fight with the writers. Mom is a tool for that fight and everyone else can put a gun to their temple and pull the trigger for all she cares.
Clea is not the patriarch Renoir is, for all his faults. In her autistic anclapistan utilitarian way she'd be the inevitable death of the family left to her own devices.

>>712563282
Fortnite

>>712563282
Minecraft

>>712563484
>Just say it's because he killed your waifu,
Gustave is not my waifu. Neither are his apprentices. Or Sciel. Or the Gestrals.
>we should keep the child enslaved forever
The guy is dead. That's just the piece of soul every author leaves in their works. Are you suggesting they should burn every painting after the author's death?

>>712563774
>Gustave is not my waifu. Neither are his apprentices. Or Sciel. Or the Gestrals.
See how you ommited lune and named the gestrals as if you gave a single fuck about them, classic slip.
>hat's just the piece of soul every author leaves in their works
And that soul is actually sentient and it wants to stop, and that's the only opinion that holds any weight there.

>>712554835
>Maelle gets to move on
Maelle suicides in Vero's ending. Gustave sets the tone that those aren't goodbye waves.

>>712563932
>still with this schizo headcanon
Oof.
And if she kills herself then she should just rot in hell for eternity
>not one but TWO brothers who sacrificed themselves so she wouldn't die

>>712546874 (OP)
Fuck off. Verso was right.

>retards who let Maelle do mind whippets until she dies are still seething and coping all this time later
lol I hadn't checked these threads since release and glad to know the cope is still going strong on this retard board

>>712563246
Nice, I was thinking about playing Metaphor too since I finished E33 and have a taste for JRPGs now. My only concern is that the combat in Metaphor looks boring compared to what E33's combat provided. Also it looks like the story in Metaphor is generic JRPG/Shonen Anime tier trash. Am I wrong?

>>712563932
>ignore your lying eyes
>and ears
>and trust this shit I made up instead
lol
lmao

>>712564151
This is just Edeltard defence force 2.0.
They KNOW it's retarded but the simping is too strong.

>>712546874 (OP)
I just finished it and for once /v/ didn't trick me. Really good game. A solid 8/10.

>>712563932
I don't think so. I think the option is there, and something she's been considering even through the glimpses of the monochromatic sections, but maybe she'll paint a new world with them in it.
Remember that she has the same power outside that the rest of her family does.

>>712564068
Verso's intentions were pure. Painted Verso's were not, that faggot just wanted to suicide. What lind of """"loving"""" brother would let you watch your adoptive brother get killed im front of you because "it builds character lol" or makes it easier to manipulate you? What the fuck?

>>712546874 (OP)
whenever I have this dilemma in a game my brain always just says all the worlds in the game are fake and I stop caring

>>712563895
>named the gestrals as if you gave a single fuck about them
I liked Monoco, Golgra and Noco im particular. The rest are still alive and sentient beings just like the Lumerians.
>And that soul is actually sentient and it wants to stop
It wants to stop because of what his father and Clea did to the Canvas. Omce fixed he won't want it. PVerso can't have that because otherwise he won't get to die like he wants.

>>712564183
Worse, it's "diversity is our strength 101"

>>712562967
My read of Renoir is that like Verso he believes the painted people to be living souls, and he's willing to genocide an entire world to try to slap the heroin needle out of his wife and daughter's hands.
Tangentially, I think Renoir's problem is that while he does care about Aline/Alicia, he doesn't want to reach them to work out their problems. He's content just to throw them in the equivalent of a padded white room so they can't get high anymore. He believes so little in his ability to reach them he feels like he must burn the canvas. Renoir should take the flowery hopes and dreams for Alicia he puts into his art and instead try to convey that directly to her. He only tries Talk no Jutsu after it's apparent he can't physically for Alicia's compliance.

>>712564220
>ignore your lying eyes
That's what Versocucks are doing. They want to pretend Gustave is waving LOL.

>>712564285
>I think the option is there
Not an option. It's a fact. They put Painted Alicia's plot there for a reason. Whoever thinks Maelle "moved on" on Verso's ending simply didn't play the game. What Alicia is thinking and feeling is the same PAlicia was during The Reacher.
>but maybe she'll paint a new world with them in it.
It doesn't work that way. It's not the same people because it's not the same chroma.

>>712553000
Alicia can't mind control. She states in the PClea fight that only Clea can paint over someone's creations. So yeah all those guys in Lumiere have free will.

>>712564930
not him but Gustave is inviting her to move, move forward and get on with her life.

>>712565454
>alicia can't mind contro
>verso getting repainted, losing his immortality and scar? no big deal
>sound of chroma as he refused to play? just normal!
Alicia leveled up her tyrant god skills.

>>712565638
>Alicia raised to Clea tier in one day inside the Canvas
>when she previosly couldn't even revive without Verso's guidance
lol.

>>712565625
>move forward
Atop the Eiffel Tower maybe.

That bitch revived everyone except Gustave. Fuck her and her ending. Clea is the only reasonable character.

>>712566058
This, my guy got the shortest end of the stick

>>712546874 (OP)
Asmongold has debunked this

Only sociopaths detached from reality pick maelle's ending
The likes that will have an AI gf in 10 years and claim she's as real as anyone else

>>712566058
>>712566112
?????

>>712566273
>Only sociopaths detached from reality pick maelle's ending
Only suicidal tranny cucks pick Vercucks's ending. Why don't you go ahead and jpon the 41% already if you wanna die so badly?

>the sequel happens
>turns out Verso's ending is canon
>turns out Alicia killed herself
It's actually this a much more likely possibility than her being all happy and chipper in the Verso's ending.

>>712546874 (OP)
>gets control over everyone like a low budget Kim Yong Un
>she can just bring dead people back and manipulate everything and everyone
>escapism like nothing else, runs from her responsibilities
>you don't know what her choice means for the outside world or if it poses a threat for her family
>kills Versos whole family and basically enslaves him
>all because she can't face reality and acts selfish for her own happiness
Verso brought her back to reality. She learned important things inside the canvas and how you need to let go of things you love at one point. Maelles ending was just the psychopath asshole ending.

>>712566537
>jpon
I can imagine the tears in your eyes as you seethed at the keyboard

>>712561881
He lies about literally everything and is trying to lead the party to their deaths and genocide everyone in the canvas because he's sad

>>712566537
>if you wanna die so badly?
Maelle's ending? That's the
>leave me alone dad I want to cut myself!

>>712546874 (OP)
Turning off my computer at night after playing Exp33 is not a selfish genocidal act. The video game isn't real, neither was Gustave, he's just a painted character on some canvas.

By the way, why did the writer target the painters, how did they deceive aLicia and what was the point of provoking the fire?

>>712566603
Maelle wouldn't kill herself, if only because she's been guilttripped into living on, TWICE.

>>712548623
She's an addict.

>>712549582
For me, it was when she erased Painted Alicia with a smug face. Bitch was tripping on power.

>>712566537
Case in point

>>712566772
From the game
>Alicia disobeyed her mom
>the writers took advantage of her naivete and the fact she likes reading/writing
>something something the house blew up and verso died

Here's your goty bro
If you wanna know why all the shills are vague about the game and only gush over muh story and muh characters, this is how the actual game looks like

>>712566669
Maelle's ending is about a world not being genocided. She's sacrificing her life for a universe.

>>712566828
Just kill yourself faggot. Even burnfishie had more balls than you do.

>>712566603
There's no world where either ending ends horribly bad. The whole family is a huge fuckup and they WILL resort to escapism again; especially maelle

>>712566772
We don't know for sure about why the Painters and Writers are at each other's throats.
Its probably some sort of magical family feud thing. Pretty common trope.
RealVerso probably just got caught in the crossfire. Or maybe got Alicia out of the fire and she was supposed to die. We don't know anything but that Alicia somehow fell for a trick the Writers set up and Verso ended up dying from it.

My suspicion is maybe the Writers are similar to Painters and they gave Alicia a book, she read something that caused an IRL fire.

>VERSO, DODGE!

>>712565454
she can't mind control but she clearly repainted everyone and what's to stop her from putting her own influence in there to get what she wants? at the very least she repainted everything meaningful to her in order to set it up as the perfect life she wanted, not what the initial people wanted; she can't repaint verso which is why he's like that and sees the truth of situation.

>>712566772
Most sensible theory is that Maelle, being a fan of books and writing, made it so that the writers had easy access to the manor. They most likely have powers as well and they took her hostage somehow. Verso traded his life for hers
It could be really interesting. Imagine if she got absorbed in one of those books (much like they get absorbed by the canvas) and verso had to go in and take her out while dying in the process

>>712567032
>Maelle's ending is about a world not being genocided. She's sacrificing her life for a universe.
The fact that you think this is her ending and why she's doing what she does only tells me you didn't actually listen to what she was saying.
Allow me
>VERSO VERSO VERSO I WANT VERSO WHO CARES ABOUT LUMIERE VERSO VERSO VERSO

>>712567198
The act of revival is never called repainting in universe. She can't paint over them, that's a stated fact, it's the same people that were there when Renoir Gommage'd them.

>>712567032
you're a deluded cunt lmao, much like maelle herself
>stays in her little fantasy world until she dies
>canvas gets trashed anyway, now as a reminder that they lost two children

Fuck you, Dessendres had it coming in the end. They are clearly abusive and dysfunctional.
Because what normal parents call their child "Verso"?

>>712566772

>>712566603
I doubt we're going to get a conclusion which ending is canon, leaving it ambigious.

Their family is fucked either way. I'd rather see a fresh story, either about the Writers or something completely fresh like FF usually does.

>>712567402
>that's a stated fact*
When they fought clea, not at the end.
Explain how she made verso mortal without repainting him.

>>712567032
You dumb ass faggot

>>712546874 (OP)
Wise truth teller.

>>712567252
>why she's doing
I don't care about the why. I care about the is. Let her burn the last embers of her life away so she can perpetuate the life of the Canvas universe. The Expeditioner's sacrifice deserve that much. They didn't go die fighting so Verfag could suicide and kill everyone they loved.

>>712567165
I keep hearing it as Bozo

>>712559893
He's right. Touch grass, you're playing a video game. None of it is real.

>>712567595
>posts esquie
>a character who agrees with verso

The best solution was always just leaving the Canvas be.
No one is allowed in, lock Aline up in an institution if you have to.
Killing an entire people, because they are real people, is wrong, but so is letting two people waste away living in a fantasy world. Renoir just needs to use a bit of backhand discipline and put his daughter and wife back together.

>>712546874 (OP)

>>712566772
It was all part of Verso's plan to fake his own death and join the writers.

>>712564790
If your wife and daughter were addicted to heroin and the only stash of it in existence were in your house, you'd burn it too.

>>712567416
>Renoircuck mindbroken
That old faggot is 100% either getting killed by Aline or commiting suicide himself if Alicia dies in the Canvas. And he had it coming, good riddance.

>>712567495
Reminder that King wrote himself into The Dark Tower series and it was embarrassingly bad.

>>712567402
>She can't paint over them
>monoco is super happy in her ending when he should know what actually happened to verso
Yeah, everyone is perfectly normal and fine, she did nothing to her friends.

>>712567664
He did try that, the problem was they just found it again anyway

>>712564528
>It wants to stop because of what his father and Clea did to the Canvas. Omce fixed he won't want it.
headcanon and esl at that

>>712567664
Aline uses her magic powers to go back to the canvas.
It's either take all the chroma and destroy it while she's ill or bust.

>>712566807
it did give us the best reaction image in years

I can't blame either Verso or Maelle/Alicia.
Renoir and Aline are bad parents and they utterly failed in their roles after the fire.

>>712567896
>ACK!

>>712567695
This is more like nuking Seattle because that's where your wife and daughter get their heroin from.

>>712567935
I can blame Alicia for being a power tripping cunt, actually.
Renoir was what, like two weeks away making sure they wouldn't lose their mother?

>>712567768
No, Alicia was a little retard and tried putting it in a place even Clea knew she'd find it again.
Renoir is a good painter, but not as good as Aline, and so dragging her out of the Canvas forcefully ended up beyond him.
My point is that he should lock her up IRL, not in the Canvas.
Renoir is just too doting of a husband and father. Thats it. He's too nice.
>>712567852
Naw. Alicia just hid it in the basement or something. Clea even says its not a good enough hiding spot.

>>712567402
>the same people
ah yes I too recall the identical white-garbed masses of Lumiere
>every white nevron we encounter is unfinished and defective
HMMMMMM

>>712567664
That's why I picked Maelle's ending. Not because I like this ending, but because of sheer spite. Beacuse canvas was never a problem and Renoir was fixated on a false equivalency all this time. Because it's like destroying every hammer in town because your family can't stop beating each other with hammers. At this point it's not the hammer that's the problem and destroying every hammer in town won't solve it.

Clea sph

>>712567520
>When they fought clea, not at the end.
It's the same Maelle.
>Explain how she made verso mortal without repainting him.
The same way she can kill the immortal? She has admin powers but it's clearly stated even those have limits depending on the skill of the dev. Alicia, Renoir and Aline CAN'T mind control. Renoir can MAYBE erode the mind (PVerso attributed his state to Clea, Simon thinks it was Renoir) but he can't mind control.

They still have absolutely nothing to say that's related to videogames. Genuinely same kind of audience as the normalfags who gooned over TLOU, Dad of Boy or Alan Woke 2.

>>712567664
In an ideal world yes. Kick everyone out; restore lumiere and its people, and MAYBE maelle can come and go occasionally and see her friends
But those two will not let go, hence the whole story

>>712566273
the real world is real, the real world in a game is as fake as a fake world

>>712567664
As long as she knows the canvas is still functional she will ALWAYS find it. I assume that's also a painter power.
I imagine they could try locking it up somewhere but she'd probably spend the rest of her days looking for a way in.

>>712568037
Aline, a super sick woman who can barely stand, probably took less than 5 minutes to find it again.

If you chose the Maelle ending and you're not a vegetarian/vegan, you're a hypocrite.

>>712567992
Seattle is a shithole filled with reprehensible people and I'd willingly launch the nukes myself if it were the only source of a drug my loved ones were suffering from.

>>712568094
>and destroying every hammer in town won't solve it.
But it did solve it, canonically.
And the creator of said canvas wanted to end it, so even better.

>>712568163
Yep, this was the response I was expecting.

>>712567782
You forgot to mention his dad and sister are also alongside the rest of the people he's suiciding with kek.

>>712567760
Monoco didn't want Verso to kill everyone. He just helped put of loyalty. Play the game.

>>712568012
>I can blame Alicia for being a power tripping cunt, actually.
Which she probably wouldn't be if her parents were a good influence who raised her well and did a good job of supporting her emotionally and physically after the fire.
Alicia wants control over her crumbling life so she takes control in the way that seems most obvious to her. It may be selfish, but this is just like her parents. If her parents weren't so selfish then Alicia most likely wouldn't be acting in the way she did.

>>712568060
>le copy paste argument again
lol.

>>712568094
The same reason is why I picked Verso's ending.
Keep in mind, the only people still alive at that point where the Gestrals, who are canonical retards, Sciel and Lune, and Esquie.
I'd rather see the world burn than have it survive at the whims of an addict.

>>712568248
We didn't. We didn't solve fuck all. Nobody learned anything, nobody processed any grief, Alicia never came to terms with her guilt over Verso's death. We just have to take on faith that things turned out fine offscreen.

>>712568248
>But it did solve it
Alicia kills herself in that ending lmao.

>>712568094
The canvas gets trashed sooner or later; with verso's ending at least you have a slight chance of making alicia and aline reconsider

>>712568526
>We just have to take on faith that things turned out fine offscreen.
Both endings are open ended like that, aside from surface level cinematography and reading too much into body language, you just have headcanons.

>>712568060
You can tell that she lost it in her ending. She never grew up and processed her trauma in a healthy way. She's still a child playing with dolls, in mental fairy land. Ironically, though the people of Lumiere may still exist in her ending, they aren't real people anymore. She's sick and only getting sicker and the people she paints are marred by her sickness.

>>712546874 (OP)
>Deleting your dead brother's save file is selfish and genocidal

>>712567008
...? your point? It's a JRPG nigger

>>712568817
>save file
go scrape the dead rat's entrails from your desk mr. asmongold

>>712568463
>>712568714
>they aren't real people anymore
Cope.

>>712547150
They are as real as a Sims save file.

It's time to stop painting.
BELLE EPOQUE
ATMOSHPHERE
KINO

>>712568935
Not sure what your point is with this post.

>>712564930
Alicia was also trapped in the cycle of grief, you tard. Verso's ending is about breaking it and forcing them to confront what happened.

>>712568923
I bet you think the anime girl on your body pillow loves you back too huh

>>712564790
Nigga stop speed playing the game. Renoir tried to do exactly that and Aline pushed him away. We literally see that in the Obelisk

>>712569137
PAlicia confronted it by suiciding and so did Alicia.

>>712564790
>He only tries Talk no Jutsu after it's apparent he can't physically for Alicia's compliance.
One that isnt true and two talk no jutsu didnt work despite making emotional and logical pleas to his illogical daughter

>>712569076
She can't mind control the people like you pretend she can. They are as real as they were before Renoir killed them.

>>712569250
You are a complete and total faggot, incapable of realizing that people change through their experiences. As I said before, it is an option, and the most likely one prior to breaking the cycle, but now instead of escaping as individuals the whole family can face it together.

>>712546874 (OP)
>indulging alicia's escapist hallucination
no

>>712568980
NOOOOOOOOOO I WANT TO BING BING WAHOO FOREVER

>>712547584
>>712545985
GOOD MORNING SIR

>>712569326
That cant be true. Gustave would never have agreed to Maelle killing herself to bring him back. Yet the nigga was happy and smiling in her epilogue

>>712569370
>incapable of realizing that people change through their experiences
The only change Alicia got was Verso putting her in the same situation as PAlicia. Before the ending she had not lost it all after the ending she did, just like PAlicia.

Therefore, same ending and why Gustave eagers her to commit suicide so she can be sent to them, their family.

>>712568409
>Which she probably wouldn't be if her parents were a good influence who raised her well and did a good job of supporting her emotionally and physically after the fire.
Yeah, honestly, Dessendres had it coming. They had one job, and that was to support their now crippled and traumatized daughter in lieu of Verso's death. That's what the normal family would've done. Rally around the weakest and the most vulnerable one, in this case - Alicia. It would also serve as good grief processing experience. But they all decided to be retarded about it and now here we are.
Also, the way Renoir handled Alicia case in the canvas was playing with fire. His attempt to speedrun her grief process wasn't really solving anything, it was actually making things worse. I guess the game wants us believe that in the end everything turned out fine, but both Renoir and Verso were just begging Alicia to suicide herself by forcing her to accept their way or else.

>>712569326
Painting "over" something, to the point where you improve on the original is beyond anyone but Clea, thats what that scene says.
That doesn't mean anything when it comes to painting a new person who looks very similar to the original but smiles more and doesn't go "wah wah, I don't like living in a dollhouse world for an addicted teenage girl!"

>>712569553
>Gustave would never have agreed to Maelle killing herself to bring him back
You didn't understand Gustave.
>Yet the nigga was happy and smiling in her epilogue
Because the faggot who was killing his people by the year was fucked over and their efforts for those who come after were successful.

>>712569326
I never talked about mind control.

>>712568859
Yes. It's nothing special and definitely not "goty" material. Especially considering all the huge fans have absolutely nothing to say that would be related to gameplay or videogames, only muh story and muh music and singing along to the tune set by streamers and game journalists.

>>712569326
She isnt painting over existing creations dumbass. She is bringing people back and can paint them however she wants

>>712569326
>they are as real as they were before Renoir killed them
Nope, they are new copies. Just as painted Verso is not real Verso, new Gustave/Sophie/etc. are different beings then OG Gustave/Sophie/etc.

>>712567654
>agrees with verso
Esquie thinks Verso would never abandon him, and he's wrong

>>712546874 (OP)
The painting people are fake. The video game is fake. I deleted it off my PC and they all died.

>>712569210
So instead of giving her some space, he started throwing axons at her. I mean, if Renoir was as patient and empathetic with Aline as he was with Alicia, I don't blame her for getting annoyed and tossing his ass into the monolith dungeon.

>>712569717
>to the point where you improve on the original
That's not what it says. It straight up means paint over, simple as.
>painting a new person
That actually makes sense and doesn't. If you are suggesting the Lumerians in the ending are new ones created by Alicia, then yes, she can mind control them. However, Lune, Sciel, Monoc and Esquie are all Aline/Verso's creations, and she can't simply mind control them to be happy around a bunch of manufacturated zombies. So your headcanon doesn't work.

>>712569651
Again, the family was fractured before Verso's final decision. Separately they could not overcome what happened, because they're all massive retards wholly incapable of talking things over without fighting.
So in that sense, the Maelle ending is the suicide one. Trapped in a world of delusion while your real body rots away, never making anything new and never having the chance to grow.

>>712569880
>She is bringing people back and can paint them
Literally stated she can't do that. Cope.

>>712569891
>they are new copies
Lune, Sciel, Monoc and Esquie disagree. Cope.

>>712570105
Play the game. He gave her plenty of time until the point she began neglecting her duties and began risking her life. Remember Renoir himself had lost himself in a painting and Aline had to save him so he knows exactly the danger it is

>>712570180
>the family was fractured before Verso's final decision
And it still is after that. Watch the ending again.

>>712570276
>Literally stated she can't do that. Cope.
>takes away Verso's immortality
>forces him to play piano
Nigga you dumb

>>712570363
I did. Clea is the only one acting like a cunt while Alicia and her family share a tender moment over Verso's grave, united again.
No, them not looking at her does not mean they still hate her. It means they are all focused on the truth, Verso's grave, right in front of them.

>>712570363
That is factually wrong

>>712570180
Honestly, if the family is THIS retarded, they don't deserve any better. The message that they've already lost Verso and might as well lose Alicia next if they don't get their shit together, flew completely over their heads until she decided to just kill herself in the canvas.
At this point Alicia doesn't deserve this family. It would be like telling a battered housewife to go back to her drunk husband, because maybe THIS time around things will be better.

>>712570276
Monoco and Esquie never died and were brought back retard
Lune and Sciel are barely characters after act 1 but nothing they say or do contradicts the fact that they are just copies

>>712570552
In the real world, at least, she can create something new and become stronger. Maybe even strong enough to recreate Lumiere in a genuine sense, instead of the faded memories masquerading as reality.

>>712559184
If they're made of chroma they are not real.
>Agency
Don't care
>Emotions
Don't care
>Real lives
Fake lives made with the only intent of behaving similarly enough to the real people of Paris so that Aline could live her phantasy - that her son did not perish in the flames.

>>712570510
No, Renoir and Aline share a tender moment. Clea dismisses the whole thing and Alicia resignes herself to hugging an Esquie plushie because nobody gives a fuck about her even though she's looking for contact.

>>712570510
>Clea is the only one acting like a cunt
Yeah and she leaves frame. Watch what Renoir and Aline are doing before they leave frame as well and leave Alicia alone with the memories of her painted family asking her to follow them as they die.

>>712570537
Keep coping

>>712560401
>Gustav’s lumina converter is what made them be able to kick Aline and Renoir’s asses out of the painting
They were able to kick the painters due to OTHER PAINTERS. Gustave's contraption doesn't even show past the start, it's just a way to explain game mechanics.

>>712570660
But that won't solve the problem. If anything, she will most likely lose herself in yet another canvas. Because she STILL has no life and no family to return to. Or do you suddenly expect Clea to stop being a cunt towards her?

>>712570701
PLAY THE GAME. If you beat the endless tower you realize Clea clearly cares about Alicia, Aline clearly cares about Alicia when she found out she was in the painting, the entire final boss fight and The Reacher is about how much Renoir loves Alicia

>>712568094
>Beacuse canvas was never a problem
kek retard
>Because it's like destroying every hammer in town
Yeah Aline and Alicia will just pop down to the store that sells canvases with verso's soul in them

>>712570701
You are such an unbelievable retard, do you know that? What about the moment between Renoir and Alicia prior to the Verso fight? Do you think he just stopped caring about her, or never did in the first place? His anger was misplaced and he knew that, the fight where he couldn't just yell at her and assert his authority made him face it and remember that he still cares.
Aline flat out helps her because she understands the pain that Alicia feels, though she may feel some short resentment for her losing the final fight and booting her out in the first place.

>>712570756
>Watch what Renoir and Aline are doing before they leave frame as well and leave Alicia alone with the memories of her painted family asking her to follow them as they die.
>They left the frame so the camera focus on Alicia's introspective moment with the memory of he friends
>NO THIS MEAN THEY ABANDONED HER
Retard.

>>712570756
You are such a disingenous and bad faith arguer. Its fucking pathetic

>>712570428
>takes away Verso's immortality
What makes you think the immortality wasn't a one time thing? There's not even signs that she did that btw, Verso stated his natural hair color is full white, he dyes it.
>>712570617
>Monoco and Esquie never died and were brought back retard
That's exactly the point fucking retard. You think they are just gonna stand there playing guard as Alicia has some tyrannical reign? LMAO.

>>712570817
You are also a moron. Alicia felt that she had no life because she still felt the weight of the fire every day. Now she is able to move past it and pick up the broken pieces.
I don't understand how you're incapable of seeing that.

you can see maelle's nipples and tummy in her swim suit

>>712568448
>ignore the second part of the post
most honest aliciafag
>comparing hundreds of npcs scattered around a city that you get to walk around with a few dozen that are only in one shot in the most important cutscene of the game
most honest aliciafag

predict goty 2026

>>712571093

>>712570510
Clea had shit to do

>>712568935
Correct, she didn't repaint anyone. She painted a bunch of dummies that kind of look like them. (for important people, anyways, the rank and file get unpainted mannequins)

>>712570919
>They left the frame so the camera focus
They are literally not in the scene anymore LMAO. They did abandon her. That's the whole point of the scene.

>>712570989
>no argument
Concession accepted glad to see you already understand you are wrong.

>>712571158
yeah, i had a date with her
except i'm a writer so it's basically romeo and juliet

https://youtu.be/pxWCsfd_F7w?t=158
sovl

>>712570105
>throw axons at her
not one of the axons attacked her, you didn't play the game

>>712571234
you are so fat and gay, you are the dicksuckingest anon i've ever met
it baffles me how confident you are in your moronic, unsubstantiated assertions

>>712571195
>She painted a bunch of dummies that kind of look like them.
If she did that, Esquie, Lune, Monoco, Sciel and Lune would all fight her. Stop coping lol.

>>712571041
>you think they are just gonna stand there playing guard
Yes, Esquie and Monoco don't have any goals or motivations, they are a product of child Verso painting imaginary friends into reality. The only thing they can do is be friends/party members and do not have and were never shown to have self-determination

>selfish and genocidal
The canvas is getting destroyed eventually regardless, all Alicia is doing is forcing her family to watch her slowly die first, I'd say that's even more selfish

>>712569326
you don't need to mind control something that you never gave a mind

>>712571234
>They did abandon her.
You are an absolute retard. You should unironically jump off from a building. Everyone loses by even entertaining to argue with such a fucking retarded interpretation.

Who would've thought processing grief and physical trauma is so easy.
I'm just going to beat the shit out of you and then all your traumas go away and you can move on with your life.

>>712571380
Her mother is probably fine with that, would suck for renoir though... maybe clea too

>>712569693
>His attempt to speedrun her grief process wasn't really solving anything
The process couldn't begin until they stopped deluding themselves in the canvas. That's the point.

>>712571430
i lost three members of my family in a two year span, and i was broken for quite a while
it wasn't until i wrote a story based around those feelings that i started to heal
so i think unironically that e33 is a wonderful portrayal of what it feels like

>>712570907
If you played the game you would have seen Aline's gesture towards Renoir before she was forced out of the Canvas. Renoir wants to paint it as her being an addict, yet he clear purpose for re entering the Canvas was to help Alicia win against Renoir. She cares about Renoir, she's not addicted like he pretends she is.

>>712571458
you wanna WHAT to renoir??

>>712571041
>You think they are just gonna stand there playing guard as Alicia has some tyrannical reign?
I think painters make the painted do whatever they want. This entire thread is full of arguments about how Monoco is just painted to be loyal and follow orders.

>>712571336
>>712571392
I love watching Vercucks lose the arguments so bad that they are relegated to making these type of posts. You made my day, deluded faggots. Thank you.

>>712571684
careful not to suck any cock on your way out

>>712547584
Looneytroon

>>712571608
you wouldn't?

>>712566807
you can tell he doesn't see her as his sister anyway

>>712571612
>I think painters make the painted do whatever they want.
They can't, see >>712568935

>>712571575
i mean
yeah? i don't know that i posted anything in there that disagrees with that

>>712547912
Looneytroon

>>712570552
You people are so histrionic. Only Aline abandoned Alicia, and she became the highest priority at that point because
>her body is physically dying
>the time it takes to deal with her in the canvas is very short when experienced outside the canvas, where alicia is supposed to stay
>alicia is wounded and traumatized by physically stable
Renoir was right to prioritze stopping Aline from abandoing the rest of her family and actively destroying her body.

>>712571612
Painters don't mind control people or create every single person in the painting.

>>712571684
>Lose arguments
There's no argueing with an interpretation as stupid as yours. A character leaves the shot for seconds so it focus on someone else? They sprinted out of the house and booked it to England in your mind. It's like you lack object permanence and cannot understand human interactions or behavior, as they're completly alien to you.

>>712571525
Well, real talk. I lost a number of people as well. And I know for a fact that if the Dessendres were my family I would've never gotten over my depression. Thankfully, my actual family was smarter than this.

>>712549731
Lol demoralized no one award

>>712571234
Why did all of Alicia's painted family abandon her in her ending? They're all out of the frame and that can only mean they abandoned her. Look it's just her in the last shot.

>>712571375
Monoco's whole sub quest with Golgra states the contrary. Esquie too with Francois. They have their own lives and thoughts.

umm tyranny is based actually
#mlga (make lumiere great again)

>>712571358
Lune twice, huh? Yeah it's totally normal that Lune and Sciel are dressed identically to Alicia, too.

>>712571883
Everything he's saying is backed up only if you completely ignore every single interaction the family had prior to that scene.
He is maliciously moronic, and I regret having replied to him for so long.

>>712571964
That disturbed look she got as painted verso hesitated before she pulled his strings... kino

>>712571883
>There's no argueing
You can't argue against facts, indeed. Keep coping.

>>712571772
This is rich coming from the guy who literally keeps deciding things for everyone, including who should live or die.

>>712571764
>tfw you will never provide renoir, painted or otherwise, with some well-deserved "relief"
67 years is quite a dry spell

>>712571875
Every single Lumierian fades into red when gommaged (because they are of Aline's chroma).
When Maelle is gommaged she fades into golden flowers (her own chroma, despite having been painted over by Aline)
It's not that they are mind controlled, but they are painted to play a certain role

>>712572168
I like to think he painted an automilker into his cane

>>712572147
She can't do that.

>>712572165
if they're real people with agency like you guys spout then it's his painting to do with whatever he wants even more so with the piece of his soul saying it's done

>>712571786
>>712571875
>alicia can't alter anyone!
She made Verso mortal, that's a humongous change, so you're objectively wrong.

>>712572274
>she can't do what she was obviously doing

>>712572181
Painters have golden flowers
Painted have red flowers
Painted people can still have children with each other and create new beings.

>>712563246
I imagine if Expedition 33 said “racism bad” it would be 98 on metacritic

>>712571465
/thread

>>712572314
You are moving the goalposts.
I said they can't mind control.
You are now saying something completely different which is taking away Verso's immortality, which is not remotely the same as mind controlling someone.

>>712571964
Hilarious how you post this and also this >>712572114

It's not the same btw, since the Verso ending does show the entire scenario as it zooms out to see she's indeed alone. Maelle ending zooms in on her face, you can't see what's beside her. Cope.

>>712571684
In Alicia's ending, the last shot is her alone. Why did Lune, Sciel, Monoco, Verso, Esquie, Gustave, and Sophie all abandon her?

>>712572314
>She made Verso mortal
Proof? If you say the hair you concede you didn't play the game btw.

>>712572334
>S-S-SHE'S DOING IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE MY HEADCANON MAKES NO SENSE REEEEEEE
She literally can't do it as stated vs Clea.

>>712572487
Aliciasisters...our response??

>>712572462
>moving goalposts
Nope, you said she can't change the painted people. She changed verso. You're wrong, the end.
>mind control and undoing immortality are different
Why? What ruleset provided by the game confirms this? Both are altering someone else's painted creation. YOU'RE moving goalposts because you're pantsshittingly angry about being proven objectively wrong.

>>712572464
fool

>>712572487
So slow that your bad argument was BTFO before you posted it lmao.

>>712572615
She can't replace whole people, she can manipulate them as you can see from her pet slave verso.

>>712572673
Yeah yeah we all know how to do that.

>>712572640
You sound angry bro. Feel better.

>>712547697
>>712548148
>>712568953
>>712570672
>wasn't real
>nothing mattered
>not real people
Wait until you niggas find out about the simulation hypothesis. Verso ending still best ending though

>>712548771
kek

>>712572640
>What ruleset provided by the game confirms this?
Clea fight.

>>712572464
>Hilarious how you post this and also this
>noooo only one person can disagree with me!
dumb nigger
>it's not the same
But they're outside the frame. The only reason that would be would be if they abandoned Alicia.
>you can't see what's beside her
Okay, Dessendres are just outside the frame in Verso's ending, too. You just can't see it. Cope, if you disagree.

>>712546874 (OP)
>still debating the ending
>the same shitpost threads over and over and over
Giving internet to shitskins was a mistake

>>712572615
>proof?
You'd have all you needed if you played the game, but here you go.

>>712573005
right, let's go back to fallout new vegas threads and "[x] game is dogshit because i don't like it" for the rest of time

>>712572778
>nothing mattered
The grief and guilt of the Dessendre family mattered, as did the herculean task of the men in the family had to undergo in order for the women to see reason.

>>712572852
What is the fundamental, conceptual difference between changing a painted thought process and a painted bodily function?
>alicia paints verso to grow older
>clea paints painted clea to produce nevrons
>these are diffferent concetps, uh... because

On Verso we're ALL going to stop painting, right now!
IT'S TIME.

>>712572863
See >>712572748
Stop trying.
>But they're outside the frame.
They are besides her before the camera zooms in.
>Dessendres are just outside the frame in Verso's ending
They are not. Alicia isn't even on the same spot she was when they were on frame LMAO. Literally watch it again. For someone of your IQ I think you might need to watch it 20 times in order to catch onto that. The camera zooms out btw not in, making your shitty argument even worse.

>>712553374
ALL MY HOMIES HATE WRITERS
-this post is brought you by The Painters gang

>>712573194
>They are besides (lol esl) her before the camera zooms in.
And they abandoned her before the next show, we know this because they're not in the next one
>They are not
They are, you can't see it because they're out of frame. Also why do all the painted lumierens abandon Alicia in this webm >>712563932
? They're there, and then they go away... They'd only go away if they were abandoning her.

>WRITES music in ur path instead of painting
Uhhhh, something Real Verso wants to tell us?

>>712573367
t. p*inter
GAS THE P*INTERS
ART WAR NOW

>>712573163
>>712573065
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALICIA WAS LYING SHE TOTALLY PAINT-
She can't do it. Factually stated in the game. Cope.

btw Alicia thought she could bring Lune and Sciel back and she couldn't until Verso told her how to btw. So her dialogue there doesn't mean she pulled anything off.

>>712573442
>paints music notes on paper to write his music
How many layers of art and dishonesty was this nigga on

what the fuck was his problem?

>>712573535
>alicia couldn't have been wrong
>alicia couldn't have lied
You're autistic, I'm sorry. You're also wrong, I'm less sorry about that because you're shitting your pants and throwing it everywhere instead of moving on. Just like Alicia.

>>712572778
There is a reason no one cares about the lives of the people trapped in the Matrix, and only on the real people who escaped. One is fake, the other is real.

>>712573554
>the only one who is black is the dog
and they call sandfall racist!

>>712573381
>And they abandoned her before the next show
Next show? There's only one show shown lmao.
>you can't see it because they're out of frame
The camera zooms out, they aren't there as shown in the very webm you quoted LMAO.
>They're there, and then they go away...
Verso killed them.

>>712573654
>sees maelle in bathing suit
>NEEDS to smash
Grosse ToTe

>>712573658
>>alicia couldn't have lied
The only liar in the game is Verso. Don't project your favorite character traits onto others.

I hope director-san and writer-chan isn't swayed by the discourse online for their next game.
I hope they manage to make something equally as good or even better by staying true to themselves.

>>712573739
But the ending cinematic happens AFTER verso kills them, and they're there again! We know that if someone isn't in the frame, that they haven't abandoned alicia, and if they're not in the frame, they have chosen to abandon alicia. So when we see them fading away, they're all actively choosing to abandon alicia! Why would they do that? And why would Lune and Sciel, who were sitting right next to Alicia, abandon her right before Verso starts playing? What a bunch of weird writing choices.

>>712573849
What discourse?

>>712573826
Alicia admits that she lied to Renoir in that very cutscene, which you'd know if you'd played the game.

>>712547990
>Step out of the canvas, you are killing yourself! I can smell your decomposing flesh!
>Not yet

>tfw your prestigious Painter family from the heart of Paris has a Musician in it
Would that be a bigger shame than a Writer

>>712573996
>Alicia admits that she lied to Renoir in that very cutscene
She doesn't, the liar Verso, claims she did. And I don't believe a liar.

>>712574195
>ALICIA. VOMIT IS FLYING OUT OF YOUR DECAYING FACE.
>Parry it!

>>712573906
>But the ending cinematic happens AFTER verso kills them
Yeah they are the memories of what Verso killed.

>>712574240
>she doesn't
Maelle: Papa. I don’t want to lose you either. I’m not leaving you forever. Just a little longer.
>5 minutes later
Verso: You lied. To your father.
Maelle: No, I—
Verso: He saw it too. But he wanted to believe. You’re going to die here. Why don’t you just leave? You can always come back.
Maelle: The moment I leave, Papa will erase this canvas.
If you think that means anything besides "I'm not leaving, unlike what I told Renoir", please tell me now so I can cease engaging with a literal retard.

>>712574387
>memories
But they're right there, in the camera frame. That means they're people who haven't abandoned alicia. And then they're out of frame, which means they HAVE abandoned Alicia. That's what those binary states mean. It's the only thing they can mean.

>>712574456
>Maelle: No, I
Exactly, she didn't lie.

>>712574456
You're wasting your time. Retard will triple down on his delusion since Verso hurt his feefees.

>>712574643
>ignores the last line of dialog
thank you for conceding. I'm sorry you're so hurt that sexhaver verso won and the canvas was destroyed and he got what he wanted.

the secret is Clea painted Verso
look at the petals

>>712574543
>But they're right there
They are there as memories. Not my fault you don't have the capacity to create a mental image of things. That's typical for NPCs though.

>>712574852
If they're there it means they chose not to abandoned her, and the only reason they'd end up out of frame is if they choose to abandon her. If that's not true, your entire argument from earlier falls apart. So it must be true.

>>712574772
>ignores
Like Verso decided to ignore the will of his sister? Stop projecting your favorite character traits onto others.
>sexhaver
More like suicidal tranny lmao.

>>712575073
>A person unable to face reality calling other trannies
lol
lmao, even
Maelle ending is trans coded.

>>712574978
>If they're there it means they chose not to abandoned her
Memories are memories, they don't have free will. They can't choose to be or not.
>your entire argument from earlier falls apar
No it doesn't, you simply don't have the capacity to argue the actual point (because it's a fact that can't be argued) and decided to go on tangent that you are still losing btw lmao.

>>712575242
>A person unable to face reality
aka Vercucks unable to face the fact that they committed genocide.

Why does she make /v/ seethe?

>>712575346
It's not genocide if it's NPCs like you being exterminated.

>>712575260
But earlier you said if someone is off camera, they abandoned Alicia. So why did Lune and Sciel abandon Alicia in the operahouse? Oh, I get it, you were just wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. You can have the last word.

>>712575412
>It's not genocide
>A person unable to face reality
That's hilarious sis. Go ahead and join Verso, you won't be missed, tranny.

>>712575479
NPC response. No one will miss you. Your tombstone will have your birth name.

>>712575479
>admitting verso is dead
Based, he got what he wanted. Even in your own mind you acknowledge the ending you hate as true, lmao, mentally cucking yourself

>>712546874 (OP)
>"See things as they are, not what you want them to be."
>"LOL no! I choose to see Maelle's ending as good."

Alicia, isn't it about time you moved out of the basement and got a job? Perhaps a few therapy lessons?

>>712575421
>But earlier you said if someone is off camera, they abandoned Alicia
They aren't off camera, they are off the scene.
>So why did Lune and Sciel abandon Alicia in the operahouse?
Zoom in vs Zoom out.
>You can have the last word.
Of course I can, because I won and you just admitted that. You basically just gave up due to your lack of an argument, as expected.

>>712573554
I still find this ridiculous, some fag writes in a discord allegations with no proof and censors their pfp and username and hundreds of retards believe it

>>712567402
>She can't paint over them
she's not painting over them, she using their chroma while it's still fresh to repaint them into the canvas after they've been erased. if everyone else can make their own creations out of pure chroma to do their bidding then why can't maelle?
she already does it in one fashion when collecting all the chroma from old bodies to create a faceless army for herself. based off the journals we get, not everyone wanted to be involved in lumiere's fight to take on the paintress.

>>712575479
>living in a delusion
anon, you might be the you-know-what

>>712575537
>no argument
Concession accepted.

>>712575609
>he got what he wanted
In his ending he did. Not like it makes it a good ending or makes him based. burntfishie also got what he wanted.
>the ending you hate as true
There's no canon ending. There's only a good one (Maelle) and bad one (Verso).

>>712575709
Alicia has to sacrifice herself in order to let the world live. It's a selfless act driven by selfish feelings.

A fake-ass jRPG with quicktime events and a pretentious story lol pass

>>712575957
what's the point of posting in the thread then
tell us your favorite game

>>712575646
>Perhaps a few therapy lessons?
Why didn't Vercuck do this before deciding to kill himself and everyone alongside him?

>>712575957
>missing out one of the greatest games ever made
its your choice.

>>712576067
>Why didn't Ver--

Verso's dead, Anon. He died saving her, and as a result, she basically decides to overdose on heroin while staring at a painting.
Her brother deserves better, and so does her loving father.

>>712570701
>Clea dismisses the whole thing
no she doesn't. she pays her respects and places flowers on his grave; she just doesn't linger on it like everyone else.

https://youtu.be/F2TEc18YLdo?t=210
so people really cry and lose their mind over a boss fight wtf?

>hurfdurf I want to save my depressed mommy and I don't want to live anymore so let's destroy the entire world and kill millions durfhurf
Versokeks are psychopaths

>>712574359
kek

>>712546874 (OP)
None of them are good choices, there's a great deal of nuance to both of them, there's a lot of consequences to choosing either.

>Die to save your sister
>she chooses to waste away in a painting forever
>even your painted self wants to die
Being verso must be painful.

I don't understand why Alicia can't just occasionally leave the canvas to eat and take a shit and then go back in
>because Renoir would destroy it the second she left
That's Alicia's assumption. She could at least try discussing it with him properly instead of just locking herself away

>>712578387
She tried already. It didn't go anywhere. She had to beat the shit out of him to get her point across.

>>712563246
and yet no one gave a shit about metaphor retroontasio after a week, while e33 continues to be discussed (and will win GOTY)

>>712578387
It's not her assumption, nor does it really matter whether he would or wouldn't. It's just her way of justifying never leaving, never breaking the cycle.
Now if the family had any communication skills at all between them, there would be a middle ground, but unfortunately they're all morons.
I still love them to death though and think it was a wonderful story.

Why do Indians love the writing in this game so much?

>>712567008
woah... if you break the game... the game breaks
let me guess, for your next TED talk you'll try to convince us how trans women are actually women

>>712546874 (OP)

Explain this to me: Why the fuck did renoir need to tear the painting apart and kill everyone instead of just getting verso's soul to stop painting?

>>712568163
>he fell for the psyop that seattle is a shithole
I'd tell you to stay away but you couldn't afford to visit, let alone live here

>>712579162
Pleaae pay attention next time

>>712577810
>nooo I don't want to face reality I want to wear diapers and go to disneyland as an adult and have slumber parties and pretend everything is okay in a delusional cope
pathetic

>>712576049
>tell us your favorite game
she already did
>>712563606
>>712563650

>>712579497
He was imprisoned but fucked about gommaging folks afterward and even when aline was gone he he went and stood scratching his ass instead of dealing with verso

>>712575359
because she's white and the pajeets here hate white dirty bastard bitch veshya whore sluts

Unrelated to the ending bickering Renoir was right btw and Verso's ending was the morally correct one but what was the deal with the white Nevrons? I killed one because I was like
>oh it lets me attack this one guess I shall
and I probably broke whatever story was going on with them because of it, or maybe I just missed how to continue it somewhere. The last detail I remember about them was Verso saying something like you can talk to them but all they ever say is nonsense.

>>712580234
all nevrons are KOS

>>712580234
If you spared them you got some lore and 100 lumina from the last one.

>>712580643
>100 lumina from the last one.
Fuck I'm glad I didn't feel like doing all the optional boss stuff or I'd be pissed I missed this. But like, storywise what was their deal? Why were they chill and different?

>>712551260
lame interpretation
metashit is boring

>>712578387
Not only is it her assumption, she would have proven to him she could be trusted with the canvas by leaving it voluntarily. Aliciafags will never admit this because they have problems with their own fathers irl.

>>712580720
Nevrons were mass produced by painted clea after she was enslaved/painted over by real clea. So presumably, some defective ones got out.

>>712580720
>white nevrons are incomplete, unpainted unfinished
>alicia's ending is full of unpainted white lumierens
really makes you think

>>712581147
Why should she trust him to begin with, when Renoir literally said 5 minutes ago he doesn't trust her?
Also, if she leaves the canvas and Renoir tries to destroy it anyway, how would she oppose him? In the real world she cannot even speak.

>>712569308
Because his talk no jutsu betrayed all that's behind it is a stymied attempt at control, not empathetic connection. He even admits it when called out.
Again Renoir cares but he only expresses it in blunt attempts at control.
>>712570337
Renoir didn't give her time or space. He was manipulated by Clea to intervene prematurely and that's what made Aline did in and really schiz out.

>>712546874 (OP)
>Hallways
>Braindead combat
>Retarded plot and writing
Yeah, it's a perfect GOTY contender for the TGA

>>712581524
>nooo it didn't have a Living™ Breathing™ Open World™
>ackkkkk the combat wasn't a visceral first person shooter
>there weren't enough black and brown people in it, I hate playing as white people!!!
you're a perfect contender for deportation

>>712581427
>when Renoir literally said 5 minutes ago he doesn't trust her?
Did you forget the part where he gave her a hug and left? He loves her, all she has to do is say "father I'll help you with mom, I'll be in the canvas from x time to y time" and then actually do it.

As it stands yeah he is right not to trust her because she lied to him right to his face

>>712581427
>Why should she trust him to begin with, when Renoir literally said 5 minutes ago he doesn't trust her?
Think about it like this: your mom knows you're never gonna get a real jobby despite you promising to really start looking next week, but she pretends to believe you in order to keep the peace. Clean your room up at least anon, and open a window for pete's sake.

>>712546874 (OP)
is this a freemason game?

>>712581524
Go back to playing Shartreign Rajesh

>>712581427
>when Renoir literally said 5 minutes ago he doesn't trust her?
He leaves her in the canvas, willing to be the bigger person. Alicia is not. It's not entirely her fault, she's a traumatized teenager. But thinking she's in the right as an adult is baffling.

>>712581691
Just because he tried to FINALLY deescalate the conflict he himself started in the very last minute, doesn't mean Alicia will suddenly regain her trust in him. He couldn't even bring himself to empathize with her when she tells him to his face she blames herself for Verso's death. What kind of father has no reaction to that?

I'd love some recommendations for which game I should play now that I've finished E33. I typically don't like JRPGs, so I was actually surprised that I enjoyed E33 so much. I'm open to another JRPG or RPG type game, so long as the combat and world are equally as interesting. I'm on PC so I can play whatever/emulate. Candidly this was one of the only single player games I've played in the last few years.

Is this game more beautiful than Nier; Automata? Will I feel?

>>712581460
>He was manipulated by Clea to intervene prematurely
Wrong.
Fading woman: Alicia, don’t be emotional. You know this is necessary. And spare me that drivel of how much this Canvas means to you. I’ve spent far more time here than you. I painted half this world with Verso. We went on adventures here while you sat reading in your room. I was perfectly fine leaving Maman here to work out her sorrows. And if you insist on staying too, well, that’s your choice. But Renoir will not stand for it. And I need him to help me with the real conflict outside. Not waste more of his time in here. Enough. I grow tired repeating myself. Renoir will do what needs to be done. Why don’t we have some fun instead?
Intervening was Renoir's idea, not Clea's.
>>712581990
>What kind of father has no reaction to that?
One not in this game, I guess, because Renoir does react. He just will not allow his daughter to destroy herself the way Aline was.
Maelle: After the fire—You wanted me to find—new joy in life. And I tried. But I couldn’t. I couldn’t. Verso died because of ME. How do I get from that to joy?
Renoir: Child, it will get better. I promise you. But this is not the way. Your friends speak truth, and it changes nothing. You can hate me, but that’s a choice I must make. As your father, I must look out for you. Especially when you can’t look out for yourself.
Maelle: You treat me as if I’m still five…
Renoir: I treat you as if the shadow from the worst day of our lives is going to suffocate you and take you from us too. Enough. I said enough.

>>712582303
Notice how Renoir doesn't even care to console her or anything. He just dismisses that with "it'll be fine" and "don't be a child".
This family has no empathy and apparently only operates on tough love.

>>712582112
Play the games it got inspired from like FF7. Maybe Suikoden I-II and Chrono Trigger.

>>712582673
I know this is gonna get me a bunch of hate but I'm just gonna be honest and admit I don't really want to play anything that's older than like 2006

>>712582673
>inspired by FF7
wrong

>>712546874 (OP)
Who are you genociding in Verso's ending? Lune and Sciel? Lol

>>712582771
Persona 5 is fun but if I'm being honest the combat is braindead as fuck and very unfulfilling.

Part of the reason why E33 was so well received was because there really aren't many games like it that have released since 2006.

>>712582620
If you saw that cutscene and didn't see him attempting to console her while she physically fights to continue her own destruction, we don't really have anything to discuss. But given your intentional mischaracterization of what he said as "don't be a child" I don't think you're arguing in good faith, anyways.

>>712582969
Yeah that's kind of what I'm finding. I actually have played through Persona 5 and even though I finished it I thought it was kind of a slog and yeah, the combat is braindead and pokemon tier. Story was ass compared to E33 as well

>>712582821
I love 8 but come on you know 7 is the one that everybody says to start with.
>>712582771
Then try Lost Odyssey

>>712583030
>painted verso didn't even get to say goodbye
Alicia is such a bitch

>>712583030
"It will be fine/it will get better" is probably the worst attempt to console a depressed teenager. There is a reason this phrase is considered an empty platitude. It doesn't mean anything and it just dismisses away the problem.

>>712583478
>"It will be fine/it will get better"
It is literally true, teenagers have trouble with it because they're too young and inexperienced to know that it does in fact just work that way. The painting is destroying their bodies while they delude themselves into feeling like Verso is still alive. They can only begin to actually process their problems by facing them, and it takes time.

>>712583574
Sure. And when Alicia then asks both Verso and Renoir how exactly it'll get better, they have no answer. That's the fallacy. She doesn't need platitudes, she needs concrete answers for why the fuck she would want to live a life as a burnt and mute cripple.

>>712553036
The devs are the writers

>>712583857
>And when Alicia then asks both Verso and Renoir how exactly it'll get better, they have no answer.
Why are you making things up? That doesn't happen. Immediately after the dialog I posted, the combat begins.

>>712583980
But when Verso tells her the canvas isn't worth her life, she asks him openly - what life? My life of loneliness in a shell of a body? And his answer is to force combat.

>>712546874 (OP)
FFS, why are the only two things people talk about with E33 either gooning to the 3 mids that feature in it or talking about the stupid fucking ending? IT'S NOT THAT INTERESTING!

>>712583857
Try explaining to a teenager why their first break up isn't that bad and they'll eventually move on.

>>712546874 (OP)
That is not stellar blade

>>712584223
>thread has 466 replies
ok retard

>>712582303
>spare me that drivel of how much this Canvas means to you. I’ve spent far more time here than you. I painted half this world with Verso
A half truth and a manipulation. We know the Canvas means essentially nothing to Clea, in contrast to Verso, because she never (or at some point ceases) believed anyone in it was an actual person. It's a radical difference between her, her brother, and Alicia in Maelle's ending.
There's a fucking ocean between whatever nostalgia Clea has for what she views as an old toy and what others view as a living breathing world with living breathing people.
Her dismissive, chastising even, tone in her in person dialogue is also very clear. Because Clea is too retarded to see her revenge quest is just as driven by self centered grief and not really about the family.
>Renoir will do what needs to be done
>I was perfectly fine leaving Maman here to work out her sorrows
To Clea what "needs to be done" is her war with the writers. Her supposed contentment with leaving mom "to work out her sorrows" is again a half truth. She doesn't deem Aline herself as critical to her war effort but she feels she needs her father as a tool for her war. She's fine with leaving Aline alone even if she loses her ego to the canvas, she only cares for the war. These aren't words coming from a place of empathy, they're not even coming from a reasoned philosophical position of individualism, they're coming from a place of apathy. She doesn't need either of them and so they don't matter.
> the real conflict outside. Not waste more of his time in here
More of Clea betraying her actual view on the matters at hand. The Canvas is of no consequence to her.

>Intervening was Renoir's idea, not Clea's.
Intervening, in the sense of muscling her out, is Clea's doing because Renoir couldn't have forced her out on her own.
By the time you see Renoir in game he's 67 years deep into that intervention. He's stuck on it. He didn't necessarily start there.

>>712584161
Wrong again.

Verso: Hi. You’re tired of painting, aren’t you? I’m tired too…
Maelle: That’s—Oh. You shouldn’t be able to be here.
Verso: Maman’s gift.
Maelle: Why did you run in? It’s dangerous for you here.
Verso: “See things as they are, not how you want them to be.”
Maelle: What?
Verso: You lied. To your father.
Maelle: No, I—
Verso: He saw it too. But he wanted to believe. You’re going to die here. Why don’t you just leave? You can always come back.
Maelle: The moment I leave, Papa will erase this canvas.
Verso: This is not worth your life.
Maelle: What life? My life of loneliness in a shell of a body? With no voice and no future?
Verso: You’re Maelle, no matter where you are. You don’t need this canvas.
Maelle: But everything I want is here. Here I have a chance to live, Verso. To live. Out there, I merely exist.
Verso: “Life keeps forcing cruel choices.”
Maelle: Stop quoting Papa!
Verso: It’s time to stop Painting.
Maelle: Verso… Papa also said, “Hold onto each other.”
Verso: I’m sorry.

Just rewatch the cutscene before arguing about it.

>>712567896
"you can see the exact moment where his heart breaks in half"

>>712584223
Most of E33 threads are usually shills telling everyone they're not smart enough to understand the very obvious story.

>>712584979
Okay, none of that really matters because you said Renoir was manipulated by Clea into intervening and that's false. She didn't care to intervene for Aline, Renoir did. She only helped him after he got BTFO and locked away.

>>712581023
forcing a hamfisted "le message" at cost of everything is lame too, but here we are and ppl glaze the ending cuz they agree with "le message"

>>712585487
There is no forced message, it was purposefully left up to the players to interpret, ranjesh

>>712547150
They're real. Painters are basically gods.

>>712582112
hate to say it but i went back to Baldurs Gate 3

Did Aline intentionally give Verso the power to survive in the place with the painting boy?

>>712582112
I was watching some jp guy play this and he kept saying ffx, so that one

>>712585845
>maman's gift
seems so, though it may have just been a sideeffect of channeling as much of verso's essense as possible into him

>>712549346
I'm sure it's a joke post but
>75 iq is borderline dumb
lol

>>712582112
the hilarity of it was that it was just a decent but not great JRPG

my personal favorite JRPG recommendations
Yakuza 0/Yakuza 7 as entry points into the yakuza series
Metaphor refantazio
Persona 3/5 (if you're willing to deal with some high school shit)
ff7 remake/rebirth (has woke elements - torrent this if possible)
Final Fantasy X remaster on PC
Tales of Berseria/Tales of Arise
Harvestella (lowkey banger)

But honestly, play Yakuza 0 or Yakuza 7. 0 is the true starting of the series while 7 is a soft reboot with pure turn based combat.

>>712582112
You should play "short" linear RPGs. My best bet would be the "old" Bioware games, namely Mass Effect and Dragon Age Origins, or even KOTOR. You can also play The Witcher series if you haven't already.
As for JRPGs, that would be Lost Odyssey or any Final Fantasy before XII.

>>712586104
Isnt the combat in these games just traditional boring turn based? E33 was the only turn based game ive ever liked

>>712585472
I didn't say Renoir didn't go into the canvas for Aline, I said his martial intervention was Clea's manipulation. To hurry him up for the the real world conflict.
>Yes, it's enough. It's just a matter of time. As she weakens, Renoir is able to erase her oldest creations.
Gommage is _after_ Clea's interventions begin.
And that's my contention. That we see enough of Clea's manipulations, all to do with her own motivation to gas the writers mage war now, and because we know the timing we can infer she got the ball rolling.

>>712586590
then why did clea send expedition 60 to fight renoir?

>>712586384
half of those are ARPGs and not turn based games actually. a lot of JRPGs are turn-based these days

i'd skip metaphor/FFX/persona if you don't want turn based games.

Yakuza 7 has a bit of a "parry" mechanic but it only lowers the damage a bit instead of being a parry. but yakuza 7 is legitimately an amazing game even if you don't enjoy the battle system.

FF7 is pretty great, the remakes are a lot slower story wise but still pretty fun to play. Tales of Berseria/Tales of Arise are really good too.


If you want something not turn based but still JRPG then go for

FF7 remake/rebirth
Yakuza 0->6
Tales of Berseria/Arise
Harvestella

All of them certified bangers

>>712586791
Yakuza 0 is the only good game in that list.

it really only hinges on how sentient painted people actually are. If they're sentient then obviously Maelle's ending is better, and the biggest downside is no big deal. Verso will get his death wish sooner or later anyway after all - and as an aside, Painters as a whole are fucking nutjobs who get to play god on a whim and really should not exist. If they're not sentient than Verso is 100% in the right and Maelle needs to leave.
It annoys me that the real crux of the morality of the choice is something that game doesn't explore, at all. Sciel and Lune don't even seem to get their shit rocked from finding out their whole world is in some dead guy's picture. They just roll with it. Maybe that's a point against them being sentient beings? Or did they actually die and Maelle didn't so much revive them as just create copies of them? Some of this stuff would be nice to think about.

>>712586590
>I said his martial intervention was Clea's manipulation.
Zero evidence of this. We have no proof that Renoir did anything in the canvas before fracturing it in his attempt to get Aline out by force.

>>712585487
>people glaze
stop talking like a zoomer nigger if you want people to take you seriously

>>712546874 (OP)
>selfish and genocidal
Based

>>712586104
>Yakuza
Grindy slop
>Metaphor
Somehow even easier than Persona
>Persona 3/5
see above
>FF7 remake
dogshit compared to E33, both in combat and retarded plot remixes
>FFX
good recommendation
>Takes of arise
good recommendation

>>712546874 (OP)
This trash will never be GOTY. It has in fact already been forgotten and is plummeting on Steam.

>>712587534
how are all those thriving astro bot threads?

>>712587526
does FFX still hold up? What's good about it? Is the turn based combat similar to persona where it's just pokemon tier weakness spamming?

>>712573654
He's a big head

>>712587534
>It has in fact already been forgotten and is plummeting on Steam.
Rajesh that's because it's a single player rpg that doesn't have a battle pass. People who live in first world economies can afford to buy a game, play it to completion, and then do something else with their lives.
>>712587779
>What's good about it
Music, setting, and art are all elite. The story was pretty special for the time but it's kind of retarded now and some of the characters are either functionally retarded or voiced as if they are. Combat is great and feels very similar to E33, minus the dodge/parry mechanics.
I'd say give it a shot, you'll know within 2-3 hours if you want to keep playing it.

>>712573554
I will now buy your game (again)

>>712587526
>Complains game is too easy
>Complains game is grindy slop
Anon, you can change the difficulty settings in game you tard

>dogshit compared to E33, both in combat and retarded plot remixes
lmao E33 is overrated slop. the combat in FF7 remake absolutely mogs E33 because it isn't some unbalanced slop that gets broken by the middle of Act II by anyone playing the game normally. FF7 parries actually feel satisfying instead of being rote memorization

And E33 story sucks balls. I had no emotional investment in the game after gustave died cause all the remaining members were either unlikable or unexplored. E33 peaked in Act I and then it was all downhill slop from there. Ned starking the main character was one of the dumbest ideas a developer has ever had desu

E33 isn't even a great game past Act I.

>>712588345
>E33 is actually bad
>E33 actually easy
>ff7 is way better!!
>so is my heckin yakuza
weeb opinions have no place here, or the next dozen threads E33 threads you scream into

>>712566273
>the needs of the (very) few outweigh the lives of the many
very semitic of you

>>712587534
>is plummeting on Steam.
People finish single players games and STOP PLAYING THEM? The horror.