I'm done with Deltarune
Boss of Chapter 3 filtered me. I got close enough for the boss to tell me I got close... that wasn't encouraging, after dying in 2 turns the attempt afterwards.
I've spent multiple days just replaying the boss a bunch of times and getting nowhere.
sure I could just move on to chapter 4 and just not get whatever I get for beating this, but I wont. I'm just done.
Chapter 3 was fun until now, but this boss just sucked the fun I was having with the game out of it.
Maybe I'll try again when chapter 5 comes out. Honestly I had given up on spamton neo until 3 and 4 came out and ended up passing that fight easily this time around, but I kinda feel different about this one.
Besides, on this way to this boss Susie said if I'm not having fun, stop playing Maybe I should learn something from that.
I'm just done at this point. After losing this many times I legit just don't want to play any more. After my last loss I got pissed off enough to uninstall the game. It's more symbolic than anything, but I just. Don't have the will to continue.

>>712774721 (OP)
skill issue

>>712774721 (OP)
Maybe it would be easier if you got the devilsknife? Its the best axe for susie and it reduces the cost of rude buster
Make sure to do the thing where pressing Z during rude buster gives it bonus damage
also you do have the shadow mantle on susie right? just making sure

I post in Deltarune threads all the time and have never touched the game.
Who the fuck plays shmups, lol.

>>712775015
>shmups

>>712774721 (OP)
Isn't this fight optional

>>712775108
theyre like smurfs but purple

OH KRIS
KRIS, KRIS,
YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD VEHICLE, AND I'VE ENJOYED THE RIDE, BUT NOW HE'S WEAK AND FULL OF HOLES
IT'S ALMOST NEARLY TIME TO SHUFFLE OFF THE BUFFALO!

AH, KRIS IS A BABE IN THE WOODS
WITH A LARGE HOLE WHERE HIS CONSCIENCE USED TO BE
AND WHEN I GO, CHILDREN, I WILL PULL THAT RIPCORD!
AND YOU WATCH KRIS, REMEMBER, WATCH HIM!
BUT NOT FOR LONG...

>>712774721 (OP)
it isn't even THAT hard of the fight outside of this bullshit attack
just be stocked up on revivemints and heals and use the tension max

>>712774721 (OP)
throw away the controller, use the keyboard instead, only way i got past that

not gonna lie, it took me like 5 hours, fucker is probably harder than sans

oh also, get the shadow mantle, the fight is almost impossible without it

>>712775395
I think the sword hallway gets most people, and after that it its the screen split attack for people who don't know the corner trick

leave ralsei to die and use your revive items on susie, give susie the shadow mantle and spam busters, use hold breath on first turn for a speed bonus for entire fight. thats the strategy i used to beat this bitch.

Why did Toby make the metronome such an anal-only butt slut

>>712776752
because the timing is ass

>>712775552
Easily done without mantle imo.

>>712775395
the trick here is to never dodge diagonally, if you used hold breath you can just move in the cardinal directions for the diagonal attacks and dodge them regardless of where you go
then its just paying attention to the horizontal/vertical attacks and go perpendicular to them

>>712775993
Better off using the Tension Max on turn one, since it gives you instant rude busters and the ice attack is pretty simple to dodge.

>>712776869

>>712775874
>the corner trick
the what?

>>712775395
this is baby shit

the sword hallway fucked me up so many times, except the second version, for some reason i could do that one more or less consistently

>>712774721 (OP)
bro you are shit

>>712774721 (OP)
the knight is fucking piss easy compared to getting shadow mantle
zelda 1 is fucking trash and always has been

>>712775874
>>712777045
NTA but he's referring to staying in the lower left or lower-right corner so you can avoid both vertical and horizontal splits with minimal movement. This is not actually an optimal technique for the third version of the pattern that includes diagonal splits, because you could be caught closer to the line.

t. anon who has beaten the Knight itemless

what do you think the implication of titan looking like a human before the battle starts is? imo it cant be us, sice i think we're the angel from the prophecy

>>712777079
I learned the sword hallway sooner than the sword shots. I don't even know how I do the hallway, I just look at the right edge of the screen the constantly tapping up or down depending on what I see.

>>712777265
probably a corrupted human eating monster dust like chips

>>712774721 (OP)
Why is that boy wearing a skirt?

>>712777495
He's cute, isn't he

I AM FROM THE FUTURE AND I ONLY HAVE 12 SECONDS.
ASRIEL DREEMURR IS THE FINAL BOSS OF WEIRD ROUTE.
SMASH BROS. 6 SUCKS ASS.
DO NOT EAT ALBACORE TUN

>>712777095
lmao, skill issue.

>>712777095
HYA HYA HYA

>>712777265

>>712777513
Toby seems to just fucking hate Undertale now.
He's insists on degrading the characters from there in Deltarune, and the songs (except Heartache) if you play them during on the piano
honestly, just don't put them in there at all if you fucking hate them so much

>>712777370
exactly what i did
i never looked at where the heart was i just responded to how the path would appear on the right side and did it hitless

>>712777095
It took me 3 or 4 tries to beat Mare but over a dozen tries to beat the Knight so this is false

>>712777079
The second one is just easier, you don't have to move as much. And you have more time to react, it's always the same too. Meanwhile the first one is rng how the swords will move.

>>712777265
it's just a charles barkley joke since susie does a chaos dunk on it

>>712777771
Retard already forgot about GersonGOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBdLO8u-0L8

>>712774721 (OP)
Unlike Jevil you can't just power your way through it. You have to learn how to perfectly avoid every attack consistently to even have a margin for the bullshit attacks, like the diagonal tempest bullets.

>1st try Jevil
>1st try Spamton
>1st try Gerson
>20th try Knight
Why is it like this bros

>>712774721 (OP)
Just return to it later lol

>>712777938
Because Knight is way harder than all those fights combined

The Roaring Knight fight is the first time that nine has been used as the absolute in Deltarune, in this case, 999 is the maximum amount of damage that the Knight can deal to you.

Chapter 3 is the worst chapter and is HARD carried by the Roaring Knight fight

>neo star blazing
this one is so piss easy to dodge i wont even bother
>dashing swords
subtle and quick movements parallel to where the most recent sword is aiming, get into a rhythm based on their sound cues
>boxcutter
hug the floor/ceiling and slide to the safespace. watch the center and move opposite of where the slash will be (somewhat strict hitboxes)
>sword hallway
stay as centralized as possible but dont be scared to stray left somewhat, focus on the far edge of the box where the swords are coming in. dont veer too far left or youll get caught by the finisher (strict hitboxes)
>full-box slashes
just move back and forth from the corners of the box while avoiding the destinations of the indicators (forgiving hitbox)
>chasing sparks
simply move outwards in a spiral while avoiding where theyve stopped. its actually pretty hard to get hit by this
>sword circle
same as the first variant. again short well-timed movements are key
>curved sword hallway
similar strat as the first version, just dont get psyched out. you have a bit more wiggle room
>diagonal boxcutter
i genuinely dont know the trick for this. just do your best to dodge the horizontal/verticals so tanking the diagonals probably wont be a problem
>pk starstorm
dont try to graze the stars because unlike neo star blazing the little holographic edges will actually hurt you. play it as safe as possible and always keep to the spaces that are most open

>>712774721 (OP)
I beat this fight because of two things:
1) A revive dust + executive buffet combo during the middle of Susie's monologue. Having three party members to gather tp and eat up damage is very useful in the last third of the fight
2) Tenna's gachapons. After a dozen failed attempts, I realized my loadout is shit so I've backtracked to the b-rank room and played it until I won all the prizes. Got an extra revivemint and the aforementioned executive buffet out of it. Even temporarily disabled, my CRT king managed to help me in the final fight.

>>712777265
the angel is Noelle retard.

>>712777938
>1st try Gerson
The interaction between him and susie when you lose the first time is fantastic.
He offers her the rewards anyway but she refuses to take them until she wins.

it's not that hard dude, save for the hall of swords and some bad rng on the sliced box attack everything else should be super easy to dodge

>>712774721 (OP)
try having intercourse with her

>>712778232
Carol isn't my type.

>>712778127
>executive buffet
>Executive Buffet is an consumable item in Deltarune. It gives +100HP to every party member.
Damn that's a useful one

>>712778115
how can someone have such a trash opinion?

>>712778232
bring her back to normal then we'll talk.

>>712778232
Rudy isn't my type.

how is kris so accurate with that bottle snipe?

I think it took me like 2-3 days of attempts to beat RK. Everything can be learned eventually. Just takes some people a bit longer but doesn't make it impossible. Even a retard will eventually get chemistry,

>>712778232
This a new one?

>>712778115
I guess some people REALLY hate the Zelda 1 gameplay?
I don't even like games as recent as ALTTP, but I thought there was so much SOVL in the Tenna games that I really enjoyed it.
Elnina, Lanino and Rouxls were absurdly funny. That whole thing was the best joke in the series so far. I could not fucking believe Toby was doing polycule shit (and making fun of it).
The Mantle route is gigakino.
I wonder if you did a poll of people, if those who didn't S-rank board 1 on the first playthrough have a significantly lower opinion of the chapter than people who did.

>>712778181
I savescummed when I lost the first time I fought Gerson because I thought you'd only have one chance to get the axe. If I knew this, I would've taken the time to boost up Susie's healing.

>>712777771
The only song that gets a "bad" reaction from Toby is Megalovania.

>>712777938
For me it was
>Jevil: a couple of hours
>Spamton: 2nd try
>Gerson: 1 hour
>Knight: 1 day

>>712778380
no, just cropped

>>712778349
"gamer reflexes" at least according to noelle when describing kris deflecting an apple being tossed at him, then catching it and taking a bite

>>712778441
Susie calls "UNDERTALE" a bad song

>>712778418
Some people have shit taste anon, and they dont appreciate a fantastic chapter like 3.

>>712778115
The chapter does have plenty of good things going for it story and lore wise but it's not replayable at all and the overworld is especially ugly and shitty looking compared to all the other chapters. You can really tell they put most of their time into the dumb minigames.

What are the lore implications of this?
https://files.catbox.moe/dgu9b1.png

>>712778467
Artist?

/V/, THINK QUICK! Your primary monitor becomes sentient in a dark world of your creation! How does it treat you? Does it love you for using it every day? Does it hate you for the smut you force it to display?

>>712778232
dess is DEFINITELY my type

>>712778232
Assuming you're the artist thank you for drawing her with a cow bikini

>>712778525
I like the melody of that song but the clicking noise in it is so dumb and annoying and pointless

>>712778713
signirsol, has a lot of Deltarune and Undertale Yellow drawings

After beating the mike stuff, should I go back and finish chapter 4 again or can I just carry on to chapter 5 from here?

If you didn't play this on an OLED, you didn't get the full experience. Switch 2 mobile players got jewed hard.

What's up with Holidays always dying?

>>712778713
signirsol, they post art here often enough

>>712778778
I am not, but I'm glad you requested for our sakes anon

>>712774721 (OP)
It took me like 40 minutes. Just learn the patterns and stock up on revives/healing items. Defend with Kris and Ralsei every turn for TP, give the Mantle to Susie, and just spam Rude Buster until you win.

>>712778730
I don't search for that much porn with my main monitor, my phone on the other hand would know way too much about me since not only I use it for porn but I also use the notes app every day

>>712778435
>I would've taken the time to boost up Susie's healing.
When I realized you could level up Susie's healing skills by having her practice, I thought it was super cute.

>>712778115
Chapter 1 is even harder carried by the intro forest section desu

>>712778730
I'm sure my monitor would be just as much of a degenerate autist as I am by now

>>712778730
I think my monitor would hate me for other reasons.

>>712777265
>Baby/fetus shadow
>Shits out embryos
>Face is a vagina
>To stop the titan you must go inside of it
It's a metaphor for abortion, sex or birthing or something

>>712775395
literally the easiest attack after the slashes

>>712777079
>>712777370
Sword hallway is shmup instinct. If you have it, it's relatively easy, if you don't, then it's hell. It tests if you can intuit your own position without looking at it as you dodge swords in advance. People who need to look at the heart/hitbboxwill get fucked as sightreading the swords instantly isn't possible by the human eye.

>>712778713
https://vidya.pics/post/list/artist%3Asignirsol/1
A lot of the Deltarune art from these threads in general is being uploaded here.

>>712778232
>>712778713
>>712778467
Wait, that thing is supposed to be a girl? "she" looks entirely masculine.

>>712775395
this attack is way easier to dodge than it looks. just move a little bit either left/right or up/down right before the sword fires and you'll dodge it. you don't need to go diagonal for the the diagonal ones just don't dodge into their path

>>712779081
Well, it originates from a girl. Toby's not great at drawing feminine figures too.

>>712777938
The other fights are fights you are meant to win. The knight is a meant to lose boss fight designed to just be barely winnable if you really fucking try.

>>712779017
Gamer rage?

>>712779093
>>712779050
>>712777079
>>712776902
what the fuck was I doing then, every other attack wasn't nearly as bad as this one and its upgrades for me

>>712774721 (OP)
One thing that helped me turn the tide in my favor and win was writing down the sequence of each attack, so I knew exactly when to use revivemints and how to prepare myself mentally before hitting attack. For the final attack I suggest rewatching a no hit video over and over until you memorize the heart's position. Also giving Susie the ShadowMantle and your best armor helps, I hope you stacked up lots of revivemints too.

>>712779142
Unironic subversion kino

Knight challenge tiers

Any%
Mantleless
Itemless (no consumables)
Perfect (no hits)
True victory (survive as many rounds as you'd need to in order to actually bring the health bar down to 0%)

>>712779084
It still hurts but it doesn't hit the same without his voice.

>>712779084
Ugh, I'm so glad I dropped the game after chapter 1. Can't stand femboys so much.

>>712779221
It was the worst for me at first two, but once you get the hang of minimum movement it's better (though I still get hit sometimes in the circular version)

>>712774721 (OP)
>that wasn't encouraging
Bitch.

I've been dreading "The Asgore chapter" for chapter 5 but I thought of a way it could be kino, which is if it shows Kris's adoption, and Asgore was the person who found Kris and took them in. That would fully redeem all his sins to me.

>>712779319
What sins? What did Asgore do wrong that we know about?

Asgore will hug Ralsei

>>712779374
be a pathetic simp

>>712778730
Mine has a defective stand, where the hole connecting the stem doesn't fit the screw. Instead of doing anything to fix it, I was just hail mary-ing that nothing bad will happen and so far (9 months) nothing did. I am careful not to punch my desk or anything, because the monitor will definitely fall on my keyboard and crush my fingers (ouch). So I guess it would be a cripple blaming me for its condition.

>>712777871
no
fucking
way

holy shit

are you fags ready to beat the game 3 times to get the true ending?

>>712779374
he's been lusting after a lady for four chapters

>>712779407
>>712779374
Eggs-husband

>>712779319
I feel so sorry for Asgore. Literally all he wants to do is be with his wife and finish raising his child.

>>712779079
that link is missing a good chink of his Undertale Yellow drawings
you can find all of them on e6

What is the game Kris played called?

>>712778730
I think it would be upset i didnt take better care if it, but at the same time we spend so much time together it cant help but like me. After combat and few maintenance themed acts it would come around

>>712779469
Toby explicitly said that would be unnecessary

stupid sexy brat mantle

>>712779520
tbf his child is like 16, it is practically raised

>>712779469
Is the Noelle one unused? i don't remember her joining until 4

>>712774721 (OP)
Stay DETERMINED Anon

Why is this faggot such an asshole?

>>712779504
There's a pretty big difference between wanting to fuck someone and wanting to repair your marriage

>>712779608
That period can be especialy hard tho.
Its better to have father around

>>712778730
>How does it treat you?
Hopefully well. I've been treating it well throughout the years.
>Does it love you for using it every day?
Oh absolutely, I use it all day for work and personal stuff. I sit at my computer all day, think like at least 16h screentime a day, and I've been using this monitor for literally over a decade. It recently started having issues, and I would be very sad to replace it because it's perfect.
>Does it hate you for the smut you force it to display?
It has been a reliable fellow in smuttery.

>>712779589
Mantle

>>712779665
I can fix him

>>712776752
Do they move in time with the music even as it changes time signatures? That'd be neat.

>>712778935
it was a nice moment

>wait, didnt this take 90% of TP in chapter 2? why does it only take 85% now?
>84%? oh shes getting stronger

>>712779589
smashing fighters

>>712779608
A 16-year-old still needs guidance and is also legally and practically unable to do everything an adult can. It's wild to suggest you can stop raising a kid before they're legally an adult because it's close enough.

>>712779665
Imagine accidentally killing a cute tomboy deer girl and causing your families to fall apart. I’d be sad and angry too

>>712778730
it tolerates me. yes it does like seeing all the lewds i view

>>712779589
Manhole

>>712779469
Slot 1: Homemade pie - the first, blind, innocent playthrough going along the ride
Slot 2: Nose-cone ice cream - the second playthrough, where equipped with knowledge, the player (k)nose exactly what to do, what secrets to unlock and how get the true ending
Slot 3: Vegan steak (with hyper-realistic blood!) - the weird route, played after the real end to see the alternative path, where the player turns a herbivore prey (doe) into a carnivorous predator.

>>712779724
the bonds forged in battle will ALWAYS trump those made in peace

>>712779665
Raised in a town full of monsters who don't really understand his social and biological needs. The sole saving grace used to be that you had access to doe pussy, but then a death in the family made things awkward, and you stopped talking to her for years.

>>712779674
lust is more than wanting to fuck. in modern terms that's it's main meaning but it means much more than that

What the fuck is his problem?

>>712779469
i like using items out of battle has neat flavor text, but it also affecting how much it heals is wild as well

>>712779607
mantlet

>>712775015
Deltarune isn't a shmup you retard

>>712779674
The time to repair his marriage was BEFORE getting divorced, not after. At this point, the best course of action for him is to forget about Toriel entirely and focus on taking care of Kris.

>>712779841
The only difference between modern and classical usage is that it used to refer more freely to other kinds of uncontrolled desire. Asgore is not now, and has never been, committing the sin of lust by wanting to be together with his wife.

>>712779863
First true ontologically evil Toby Fox character
It's basically Satan.

>>712779815
MY FUARKING HEROES

>>712779724
And that's a good thing

>>712779469
Yes
>Get purecrystal in pacifist
>Get thorn ring in aborted weird
>Start weird with the trance sword for true ending

>>712779081
It's evoking some skeletal imagery so naturally it'd be hard to tell, though the hips are pretty wide. Many assume it's supposed to be Dess, since they disappeared under mysterious circumstances

>>712779221
two tips

1) have Kris hold his breath, i think you only need to do it once, increases your speed
2) practice dodging at the last moment, before doing this i used to simply move constantly, but that will get you killed in the second version of the attack

>>712779935
This desu. There's no way to repair a relationship like that. If it wasn't meant to be, it wasn't meant to be.

In chapter 4 Noelle thanks Kris for undoing the weird route shit that was done in chapter 2, at least until the player goes "ye no it happened for realsies". When the fuck did Kris manage to go off-grid and undo weird route junk?

>>712779935
First, we don't know that he had time to. The game still hasn't explicitly said why it seems more likely it was something that happened suddenly, possibly relating to the dark world.

Second, no, it's always a good time to fix a relationship.

>>712779957
the ideas literally consuming him. he's losing his second shot at life by focusing on giving away things to look nicer to her. he's waiting outside of church regularly week to stalk her and ambush her with gifts. on his off days where he is doing work at another place all he's thinking about is getting back together with her

>>712779636
Noelle has text for every item, despite only being a party member in chapter 2 thus far

>>712779863
just a friend who wants to play around. a true neutral character

>>712777095
Bro the candy makes that fight piss easy

>>712780050
They're married.
>>712780074
It's not a sin for a husband to love his wife.

>>712779081
come on, even by the femenine appearance, imagine with a male voice.

>>712775395
>>712779221
I thought it was the hardest type of attack desu.
You have to get the timing right, know where you want move (horizontal or vertical, no diagonal), and move around to avoid the circle in the later version.
And you only have to hold your breath once.

Was our enjoyment of Deltarune ruined by learning about the weird route outside of the game hints? Imagine (You) figuring it out in a blind playthrough through the minigames.

>>712780060
either while toriel and susie were baking the pie, or right after ch. 3 cliffhanger

>>712777732
First thing I thought too lol

>>712780060
When he slips out the window to slash toriel's tires? Literally the only moment he has

>>712780172
Learning about the "surprise chapter 2 creepypasta genocide route" was actually better.

I miss Undertale Yellow

>>712780231
There's literally a thread up though

>>712780158
>They're married.
not anymore.

>>712780158
>They're married.
better be short for "they were" married

>>712779935
>>712780050
the reason they got divorced in the first place is because of whatever it was that got him kicked off of the force. it's part of why hes trying to prove his innocence since it will show toriel hes not a bad person.

>>712779962
He seems alright throughout 3-4, cute even

>>712779863
Primordial fear

>>712780158
>They're married.
I don't think so. Not like that changes anything. At that point, marriage is just a matter of paperwork.
>for a husband to love his wife
It doesn't make sense to try to force a relationship if the other person doesn't want it.

>>712780262
>>712780281
They can't get divorced in the eyes of God unless one of them cheated.

>>712780225
that scene took less than 5 minutes wherever he went too is all the way across town
no one else even comments on seeing him run or anything

>>712778857
Anyone?

>>712780172
It is definitely not meant to be triggered accidentally.

>>712780352
>It doesn't make sense to try to force a relationship if the other person doesn't want it.
It doesn't matter how she feels about the relationship right now. She made a commitment until death. She literally took a vow.

>>712779863
the cuck chair

>>712780373
>They can't get divorced in the eyes of God unless one of them cheated.
what god? they pray to an angel of death and a prophecy

>>712778857
>>712780389
Chapter 5 isn't out yet so we don't know. The game does carry over stuff from your last completion I believe though so it'd probably be better to redo it I'd assume?

>krusie
>(You)elle
Is this peak performance?

>>712780461
Except Noelle isn't really in love with (You)

>>712780461
>>(You)elle
not happening

>>712774721 (OP)
can someone tell me how you do Snowgrave in Ch 2? Also, I assume there is no reason to defeat anyone via combat in Ch 1 except for maybe Jevil - right?

>>712780286
>Honestly Asgore it's not the fact you killed those 6 kids, it's that you were a pussy about it instead of owning it.

>>712780461
>>712780495
Yes she is.

>>712780386
Noelle is his next door neighbour. Going through the bushes into the backyard and attracting her attention wouldn't be too hard, but yeah, unlikely

>>712780389
if you want something to carry over you'll want to beat the chapter again, though dunno how the mike battle will matter in future chapters

>>712780373
Why do christcucks think every fictional story starts out by going
>from bible import *

What was Kris thinking at that moment?

>>712775395
>had 4 ReviveMints and 8 DeluxeDinners on my bag
>ended up using every single one of them in order to beat her
Shit was cash. I don't even care if I suck.

>>712780508
Just start freezing shit with noelles skill. Thats it. Freezing monsters means they cant just "run away" when they eat shit. If you can't kill berdly, you missed something.

>>712780296

>>712780605
I half expected him to throw the phone across the room or at the cage

>>712779863
What do you mean? He's there to help you and have fun.

>>712780605
"I've got to do whatever I can to stop the soul from mindbreaking her further" With the biggest boner in his life.

>>712780508
>can someone tell me how you do Snowgrave in Ch 2?
Freeze all enemies and then force Noelle to purchase the Freeze ring. Then freeze every remaining enemy in Cyber City so Spamton sells you the Thorn Ring. Then Freeze Berdly

>>712780176
>right after ch. 3 cliffhanger
kris did a ton of shit right after chapter 3 huh
>had a quickie with dess in the shelter
>ran back to the fountain, found tenna and helped repair him with susie
>closed it up
>made sure everyone was asleep and (You) weren't watching
>ran off to the library
>lugged him all the way to the hospital and got him booked in
>sneaked into the holiday mansion (or just got let in by carol, hell he might just have a key at this point)
>comforted noelle in such a way that she was barely able to get a word in (since she says it all in CH4)
>gets back home
>goes to sleep in the chair instead of his comfy bed because that's where susie last saw him
even cutting out the weird route shit that's still a lot after a day in cyber world and a night at tenna's, no wonder the guy's so damn pissy during the mansion segment

>>712780605
95% is in panic, rage, etc
5% is kind of happy he gets to connect with noelle again

>>712776752
is this thing even in the game - I never saw it.

>>712780652
if it's not a friend than why is it so friend shaped?

>>712780495
>>712780507
Not with that attitude

>>712780605
"fucking why though she had a thorn stabbed through her finger"

>>712780508
When you get Noelle start backtracking and making sure she freezes everything. Backtrack as far as you can and then proceed forward still freezing everything. Eventually in the room with the ferris wheel go to the far right to get the freeze ring from the NPC, make sure you say you're something else with Noelle. You know you're doing the route correctly if you hear a negative sounding jingle, it'll sound more positive (higher pitched) instead if you abort the route. You can find Spamton in a dumpster later to know how many you have to freeze and he'll give you the thorn ring to let you use Snowgrave on Berdly.

I know I swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but I don't want to anymore. It doesn't make sene for you to try to force me with "perjury" charges.

>>712780508
Go back one screen when Noelle joins your party, explore every nook and cranny teaching her how to freeze niggas and don't forget to go shopping for some rings :)

>>712780508
go left and start freezing
careful of the ferris wheel ad room don't go down in the small alley until you're done killing everything and talking to the addison

>>712780726
yeah he's in ch4 he's inaccessible and shows up in the dark room just barely lit up on the edge of the screen

>>712780523
Literally me on the upper left

>>712779724
>Susie and Kris moments
Just two people having fun
>Susie and Noelle moments
Baby's first romance with all the cliches in the book
No wonder people flock more to the former, Toby is great at writing character interactions but as soon as love is involved his mind freezes and handles it like a weeb writing his first fanfic.

>>712780753
>"fucking why though she had a thorn stabbed through her finger"
ir''s more like the crown of thorns Jesus wears but as a ring

>don't worry bruh just have fun the rank doesn't actually matter
>why yes, of course you have been locked out of a ton of important content and you have to restart the entire chapter to be able to get it
This was the weirdest design decision in the game so far. In Chapter 1, you could backtrack and collect the keys, you could backtrack in Chapter 2 as far I remember, and you can get the music pieces in Chapter 4 up until you go through the door.

>>712780647
>>712780691
>>712780760
>>712780773
>>712780782
thanks!

>>712780714
this is what kind of bothers me
Kris seems to be so aware of when the chapter ends.
Like in universe at the end of chapter 3, is he really thinking "Looks like its time for briefing, good thing this annoying SOUL literally cannot highjack my control right now."
It just feels so convenient.

>>712780790
B-b-b-but it's queer representation!!!

>>712780920
playing a videogame made by a liar is such an exhausting experience.

>>712780920
I would say Mantle route is missable because it foreshadows weird route, but then Seam tells you don't even bother trying to get the Knight's shadow crystal without the Mantle, so yeah, that's pretty weird.

>>712780508
>>712780929
Little bonus thing, but when you get Noelle unequip the watch she's wearing and put it on Kris for some extra dialogue in the hospital and also chapter 4 later.

>>712780920
>he didn't talk to the NPC one more time so he can tell you that there might be a room for S rank winners
>he doesn't talk to each NPC twice to make sure you don't miss any line of dialogue
Skill issue

>>712780920
You can buy the cool S pass south of the green room

>>712780920
Tenna might be looking to capture that broader audience, but Ramb doesn't share his ludo with plebs - only true gamers are allowed to go forth

>>712780920
I found it weird too, even if you speak to the NPC to sell you the S you're not likely to have enough points for it anyways too and the vending machine to exchange stuff for points is behind the S door if I remember right.
I think being locked out of the egg for doing the mantle fight first is just as retarded though.

So, what's the last part of the prophecy? Who's dying/killing? I'm guessing it's everyone just killing each other basically to save the world for good.

>>712779863
The dark

>>712780790
This is how I feel about it too. I have literally no problem with Susie and Noelle as a romance in theory. Like if the ingame romance didn't exist, but the characters did, and someone asked whether they could get together, I'd say "sure, that could be plausible/fun." The problem is the writing. I'm so sick of people assuming I dIslike it because I prefer one of them to be with Kris, or because I'm against lesbians or romance in general or some shit. NO. IT'S THE WRITING

>>712780849
in the Dark World, yeah
I pictured it as actually being just a thorn

>>712774721 (OP)
Is Elnina a butt slut or a sex solely for baby making type.
this is important

How are you having so much trouble? The knights attacks are nearly identical each time, very similar to the sans fight from UT.
Here's the strat to beat him
>genuinely pay attention. You can actually just brute force the fight if you have the ability to remember the moves, the earlier moves should become easier each time you play. If they aren't, you're doing something wrong or need to take a break.

>if you don't have MINIMUM one revive item, restart the chapter (if you don't have rolling saves) and horde all chapter 3 revive items.

>Ralsei is useless in this fight if you cannot dodge. Do not spend a single health item on them. Use them in turn one to use the tension max item you hopefully didn't waste on an easier boss (you did, didn't you....) and slap ALL your gear that increase TP gain and increases your graze window size onto him. He is the gear whore in this fight.

>Susie is the rock of this fight. She gets your best gear, plus shadow mantel. Have her Rude buster every single round you can, consider rube buster-less turns to be in efficient. Kris plays support and TP spammer. If you really want to revive kris, only use food to do so as he should be a revive mule for susie if you still can't dodge well enough.

>Turn one: Kris holds breath, susie acts for flavour text (or you can attack for an extra slice of damage) and ralsei uses tension max. Every turn after is support or block with Kris, Rude buster with Susie, and block or heal with ralsei until he dies.

>you only need to hit 12-15 rude busters to win. They do more damage each time you hit one. If you can't get the timing down for the perfect hit, check your hardware because you need to be retarded or have bad hardware to not be able to that, and i see a lot of anon's complaining about not being able to hit perfect rude busters.

> if you finish the chapter first, you get to restart the knight fight if you die. However just quitting and resetting on your first run is not much longer, just annoying.
GL

>>712781221
She seems like a babymaker unfortunately

>>712781221
if she was solely for babymaking they'd already have a dozen little cloud babies running around.

>>712781120
my hunch is ralsy palsy is going to end up eating shit because "scapegoat". Aligns with what was mentioned here where noelle's an angel with a crown of thorns analogue.

>>712780945
yeah i've wondered that myself, maybe he can just kinda feel when the soul's 'off'? it's something i don't know if toby'll actually answer at some point but it's definitely an important detail considering we seem to be having more of these blank spots where the chapter ends but kris is still running around with the soul in him for a bit

>>712781221
I'm not sure Elina and Lanino actually know what sex is to begin with.

>2nd voice in the intro
>Gaster
>The vessel
>The Shadow Crystals
>The Eggs
>The Knight's 100% confirmed identity
>Dess status
>Undyne status
>What did Asgore do
>Asgore's Black Shard
>FRIEND
>The bunker
>The area blocked by police tape
>The song coming from the sea
>The true/final prophecy
>The red dot in Weird!Noelle
>Carol's fixation on [HeartShapedObjects]
>Kris without the SOUL
>The Titans
>The Angel
>Ralsei's Light World object
>Goners
>Rules Card
>Sword Route
>Extra damage on Tenna
>Slain/Purified counter
>Swoon
>Kris getting knighted
>Kris and Ralsei hiding things from Susie
>Devil Seam Theory
>Enjoying the Youthful Days
>Kris in Art Therapy
>Gaster is a therapist
>8-Bit Kris
>Blank textbox on Weird Route

>>712780790
Yeah I think everyone with a brain agrees. Kriselle has backstory as childhood friends to work and expand on, krusie has the entire game of them being bros.

Suielle is just this weird, almost obsession, Noelle has with fear so she just has an insane crush and that's it.

>>712780386
Based on Toriel's reaction it seems like he was out longer than 5 minutes. 5 minutes in the bathroom isn't weird, it was probably closer to 20-30.

>>712781320

>>712781120
The way you put it made me think for a moment you were suggesting some Jonestown shit which...considering the oddly isolated manner of the town that would be insane to do.

>>712781320
They do genuinely hit like the type to have to hear or be told about it in a conversation

>>712781291
>Angel
>Crown of thorns
If Toby is just using Christian analogy for his game, wouldn't it make more sense to use the thorn thing on Ralsei then, not Noelle? Like Jebus being the ulitmate sacrifice for humanity? What part does Noelle play in this then? The executioner/Pilate?
>>712781379
Yeah, I was just shooting shit with >spoiler. I don't think he'll go that way, but it seems obvious some sacrifice must be made to one or more from the party.

>>712781353
i mean you'd kinda wonder why the tap's been on for five minutes but no one's come out yet

>she was used up
>you were used up
Predictions for how Noelle and Kris get used up?

Nobody talks about how Susie saw (You)

>>712781026
>>712781027
I knew there was going to be a room because I got the dialog, but I absolutely sucked at the cooking challenge without practice and I think I didn't have enough money for the fake pass.
>>712781119
I was happy when I got S rank on the 2nd board, and I spent more than an hour exploding everything in the sword game without being able to get anywhere because I didn't think it would actually lock you out because you didn't do it earlier. That's when I restarted the game.
I didn't get the egg though, but I don't think I'm redoing chapter 3 for that.

>>712781507
splat.ogg

>>712781373
>>712781440
Imagine if they're battling against Susie and sex somehow becomes a topic of discussion, and Susie has to tell them about what sex is. I'll pay to see that conversational rollercoaster.

>>712781320
this takes place canonically after they break up, of course. I'm sure a guest from the R-18+ channels could educate her.

>>712781507
I don't know but I keep having this visual of both of them laying in the snow bleeding out from their chest, the blood pooling together between them as Noelle mutters "I love you" and Kris shakes up a bit because he can't reply without the sou

>>712781507
I mean they are already both mindbroken on snowgrave at this point what do you think. they are gonna have the crash out the century eventually

>>712781345
I guess Toby really wants to insist on the Susie is rescuing Noelle from her evil mom! angle. Seems like it's following a lot of the same beats as the shitty lesbian couple from Baldur's Gate 3

>>712781335
>pink and yellow
>hometown is a cult
>extra kris in the holiday mansion

If tenna is a tumblr sexyman how come there aren't any 4chan sexywomen?

>>712781232
Ran out of space, but just wanted to add
>NEVER use your TP for anything except rude buster. Ralsei's heal is a complete waste in this fight.

And remember, spoofing someone else's save is just cheating yourself anon. Troons, women and obese men are all able to beat the hardest stuff in these games, you can too if you use a little strategy. And seriously, pay attention to the attacks. It's a souls slop tier simon says fight when you do it enough times (it's so fucking kino though)

>>712781604
>extra kris in the holiday mansion
I am still really concerned as to that continuing to be a thing.

Can you still get the mantle if you dont get S on the first round of tenna's game?

>>712781619
Susie is almost that

>SHITTER doesn't like UT now
I fucking hate that place
>b-bu- what were you doing there
I was gonna commision some porn and this popped up.

>>712781619
4chan has sexyfurboys which is ralsei

>>712781507
I wanna use Noelle as my cumdump... And Kris too, why not

>>712780060
After he made the dark world. Opening the door allowed him to slip in and out (in addition to letting the Knight and Undyne in), we know he had to be working independently of us to make his deal with Tenna, and we were out of him when the dark world was being formed.
>>712781662
You can buy S ranks, but you need to do it before starting the second round. If you don't have the points for that, gotta start from the beginning.

>>712781583
It's possible it'll blow up in ch 5. It's very clearly a spur of the moment crush with Noelle and they are just riding the waves. You just have to wait for anything to cause it to fall, probably at the festival.

I don't think toby is that far gone if he's gone so heavy on the bro bonding and some of the shit noelle says about Kris, even in normal route.

>>712780652
>Being a friend doesn't make you them yours

>>712781634
>Ralsei's heal is a complete waste in this fight.
no it isn't. If you're doing well during the fight + using TP gain increasing items you can hit a point mid-way through the fight where you hit max tp fairly easily. Lets you top off someone before attacks you know you can easily get through hitless.

>>712781353
>foreshadowing Toriel being a neglectful mom
sasuga...

>>712781458
I honestly doubt it'll be deliberately derivative, at least any more than some ideas simply being ingrained in western culture. That said, there's other scapegoats in the bibble besides "the lamb". That said with the amount of time Tobert is taking I expect him to be cautious with superficial allusions

>>712781665
Theyre right tho, Undertale is great and all but Deltarune’s gameplay spoils you. I spent 80% of my Undertale replay trying to graze the bullets

>>712781634
>and obese men

>>712781816
>a concert just for me

>>712781815
>some of the shit noelle says about Kris

That's a coooooooooope

>>712777867
>it's always the same
It's not. I've had ones where it whips around like crazy, and I had one instance where I literally didn't touch the keyboard and wasn't hit by it.

>>712781872
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEE I KNEEL

>>712781473
Don't worry. Kris is just covering up the sound of jorking it, Susie.

>>712781907
You and I both know she only says this stuff because she's trying to make Kris look worse as a means of making herself look better to Susie.

>>712775395
The tunnel of swords attack is harder

>>712781964

>>712781819
This only applies if you're good enough to not get hit too much, which OP isn't. That's why the best strategy for anyone who finds the fight hard is to just ignore ralsei's moves and use him as the gear holder and second tp farmer before he dies.

If you're good though you're 100% right that Ralsei can be useful, but it can still bite you in the ass if you can't keep up your momentum after using that TP on a heal and end up fucking up a couple moves afterwards.

>Don't worry about using my sister's guitar Susie. Go ahead and play, it's fine!
>You left your coat at school? Just use this green jacket! Huh? What do you mean it's weird to just carry that around with me?
>You know what would go great with your hair? Hairspray. Specifically the green kind.

>>712778730
I spit on it every other day by accident and never let them rest

>>712781872
Who the FUCK told you to post this private video of me playing DELTARUNE with my Ralsei half chub?!

>>712781907
If you look at some of her expressions during the dess room scene she very clearly winces thinking about the childhood ferriswheel she and Kris went on. Toby isnt stupid, he is very good at using expressions along with the dialog to sell how the characters are feeling during convos. Noelle is trying her best to rizz up Susie but the more difficult questions she falters on. She can't even say they aren't friends.

>>712782038
Do not the cactus

>>712780590
Heaven and angels are canon.

>>712781907
You're correct, Noelle is coping about Kris.

Rachel Amber...

>>712781872
First of all hot
Second of all, jealous, mine's smaller :(

>>712782163
What the hell

>>712781517
Its interesting to say the least.

>>712782231
She's seeing Ice-E

rawr x3

>>712782231
pretty sure he's talking about when she sees the soul right after the dunk

>>712781872

>>712781907
"but when I close my eyes, it felt like a concert just for me" is the most romantic line Toby has ever written. Her and Kris had something going on.

>>712781964
>>712782038
>no cactus darkner
>no how to draw dragons darkner
why did tobias blueball us

>>712782345
Its weird for her to mention it now given she sees it seal fountains all the time unless she's connecting the dots with the human cage part.

>>712782116

>>712782352
He's kind of cute. It's a shame he's gay.

>>712781335
Let's add some more
>"Copies are monochrome"
>Backstage game foreshadowing
>Susie's unremovable equipment
>Susie's equipment increases stats as an enemy
>Freedom motif
>Susie's chair
>Eggs in the Light World

>>712782352
B- bro?

>>712782285
I'm gonna be honest, I get it, Touhou is still bullet hell.
But it kinda bothers me that it's always a "Touhou" player, when those patterns are rather tame and not something from CAVE.
Like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inq1LYYxyt0

>>712774721 (OP)
ur so shit lol

>>712781619
>unconventionally attractive woman but loved by anons
the knight

>>712782421
>unless she's connecting the dots with the human cage part.
That's how I took it too. Like for all she knew it's just a thing humans can do, but Kris being described as a cage is starting to slowly turn gears in her head.

>>712782401
It goes hard but I wonder what autistic reason he has to not want to be watched

>>712781641
If you analyze the pixels of the Closet Kris and the drum next to him, you'll notice they match up perfectly. Odds are it was just an oversight preloading Closet Kris before we actually go in.

Thing is, Toby has yet to acknowledge it as a bug, or to fix it.

>>712782421
The cage picture did have the heart front and center, so it's not surprising she'd get a bit curious about it.

Noelle in my eyes is too fucking mentally ill to get into a lasting relationship with her available love interests
>Too entrenched in her sister complex to love Susie for who she actually is
>Too hung up on nostalgia for times long gone with Kris
>Too fucking autistic to notice Catti’s comically obvious crush on her
>Too narcissistic to bite the bullet and give Berdly a chance
Is it over for her??

>>712782231
Susie knows what a human looks like. The idea this is the player is so dumb.
Plus the median player is a teenage girl or something. You can't just assume Susie sees a fat naked /v/tard.

Well, anon, how do YOU want the story to end?

>>712774721 (OP)
he was way easier than Zenith Martlet.
Or maybe I just got better at these games?

>>712782660
Time to toss her in the dark world to face her problems

>>712782671
kill everyone
then open the church dark world so I can kill gerson too

>>712782231
It's definitely Ralsei's true form

>>712782668
Susie knows what a human looks like in THEIR world, but any DR character wouldn’t be able to comprehend seeing us. It’s like why the Witches in PMMM are stylized the way they are, to resemble their otherworldly logic-defying nature. It’s also why Photoshop Flowey looks the way he does, he’s a nigh-incomprehensible godlike being with total control over reality

>>712782608
It does seem like a bug, but on the other hand he's patched the closet twice and it's still there, so who knows.

>>712781665
it wouldnt even be a conversation if the bonebros werent in UT (theyre from DR as well)

>>712782671
The one thing I don't understand:
If chapter 5 is the 'final chapter'
and 6&7 are loop fuckery / changing the ending

how is that gonna square with episodic release?
Doesn't really work imo as soon as you finish the 'last chapter' if you have to wait 3 years before you start resetting and searching for snowgrave-type solutions

>>712781335
>no mention of the song coming from the sea and the constant imagery of waves and tides

>>712777265
Angels are players of the game

>>712782671
I wouldn't have an ending! it just goes on forever!
Because Toby will never finish the few chapters left

>>712782685
Oh nah I remember taking forever on that fight. Fight's way longer and I believe it got nerfed right?

>>712782860
>If chapter 5 is the 'final chapter'
It's not, Gerson said that he wrote one chapter after 5, and just never got around to finishing 7.

>>712782807
>Witches in PMMM
unrelated
>>712782807
>It’s also why Photoshop Flowey looks the way he does
DR player is literally just a person connected to a screen by Gaster/Whoever. We are not an eldritch abomination and we do not have godlike powers over the game.
The only candidates that make sense for the angel are Noelle or Gaster.

>>712782660
I think you're forgetting the elephant in the room that she's too spineless to do anything herself and is why she lets things go by the way they do to everything
She's too passive and has to have everyone else do things for her
It's why everything on Susie part has to have her start everything
It's why her unresolved feelings on Kris boils underneath but ultimately goes nowhere(up until Snowgrave where ironically she grows a spine and fesses up about Kris to a degree)
As for Catti and Berdly, seems like she just sees them as friends, you never see her talking about Catti ever though

>>712782903
>Toby said there's only 1 ending because only one route leads to ch 7, the rest ending with ch 6
This would be an insanely ballsy move

>>712777871
>Deltarune is a sequel to Barkley: Shut up and Jam Gaiden
TOBY I KNEEL

>>712782897
Yeah she got nerfed a lot, at first you had to beat her two forms with the ítems you had and nothing more. It was hellish, then they added auto-shoot and an ACT to heal in her second form.

is there a way to find the exact threads where everyone was reacting to everything initially
trawling the archive is fucking miserable

>>712782671
I wanna be sore and melancholic, but feel like it was right. Something like TNO accepting he couldn't run away from his past and mortality for the good of everyone suffering for his struggling.

>>712777871
kek yeah it was pretty fucking funny

>>712782890
>Gah ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Well ain't that somethin'.
>At this late hour, with the bells ringing out their justice.
>You choose eternity.

>>712783032
Try searching/narrowing down by date

>>712782937
Aborted snowgrave would be funny if it's the ideal route just because it makes Noelle wake tf up but avoids making her got nuts

>>712782668
Not a non DR version of a human anyway. The game beats you over the head with player angel imagery and to many things in both UT and DR applies to the player.

>>712782671

>>712782671
I want the entire game's main plot and story to actually end at Chapter 5. Prophecies, Roaring, all the shit ends there, with chapter 6 and 7 being schizo rabbit holes that none of the characters, villains or heroes, prepared for. Like our presence is one wildcard element of the story that throws everything off track like a pandora's box.

>>712783116
>looks like castle town
That doesn't body well...

>the best stuff is under the Kriselle tag
Maybe I misjudged you guys

>>712782921
I'm actually surprised more people don't connect Gaster to the angel.
>Gaster desires something from all this, also says "How much longer? MY DELTARUNE."
>He is notably kinda spooky in the one form we've maybe seen him in, and some of the Gaster Followers are Quite spooky
>"The angel, banished, will finally meet with its desire."
It doesn't make sense for us to be the angel because there will be more game after the banishing, and most players are NOT going to "meet with our desire" if there's not a happy ending for the fun gang.
But if banishing the angel means removing Gaster from whatever happened to him and possibly restoring his corporeality, that makes perfect sense.

>>712783116
>>712783228
>FF9 Alexander
Woah.... sasuga...

>>712783268
People fucking love fucked up evil shit happening to characters, glad there's so much good art coming out of Snowgrave.

>>712783164
I like that tenna fella

>>712783164
Tenna coming in clutch

>>712783135
I’m legit banking on this. Chapter 5 will be the longest yet and the last “formulaic” Chapter, with a split between Dark World segments and Light World segments. I believe the Festival and the Roaring are going to coincide after the Flower King DW, and 5 could possibly end with setting up for exploring the Shelter in Chapter 6. Everything after that is just mindbending schizophrenic EoE madness.

I forget does the Gerson Statue have a theme or is it just pure silence?

>>712783116
Was that drawing of Castle Town ever used anywhere else or is it a new asset?

>>712781119

i accidentally stumbled upon the Egg by exploring and doing minimal googling, i thought i was getting to the secret boss

now im being told there were eggs in previous chapters too, crap

>>712783268
>>712783345
Partially, I wish more people drew outside of it, aborted Snowgrave is too good on top of everything else between the two she doesn't get over

>>712783393
Ripple.

>>712783417
They're so desperate, as if Kris would give a single shit about pronouns

>>712783423
>>712783116
>>712783228
it was on one of the first prophecies when you enter the dark world actually

>>712781120
susie suicide

>>712783450

>>712783379
sounds pretty reasonable

>>712783459
Thanks bro

>>712783435
If it helps make things look less daunting, chapter 3's egg is the hardest one to find on your own.

>>712783450
This is one of the best DR artists period

>>712782671
-what is the lost land, exactly? It being just some repurposed retro video game levels doesn't feel... right. Almost feels like the City board is supposed to come into play here.
Its interesting that Gerson seems to imply that the axe he's giving Susie here is plot important to some degree, as a terrible weapon.

>>712774721 (OP)
Just fucking cheat, the gameplay in this game is complete garbage anyway.

>>712781120
Ralsei/dark world

how does the SOUL do this? how was it able to help susie in the gerson fight

>>712783379
I spent a couple days earlier last week theory-crafting the idea that multiple timelines will need to be split to find the true path forward, based on the Marathon Infinity shitposts from last week.
Hell that'd be neat, imagine if Chapter 5's release gives us everything we need to unlock Chapter 6 and 7.

>>712783435
I only got it in chapter 1

>>712783076
>didn't scold her for being naive
Absolutely based response. The man is pure kino

>>712780060
I figured that Noelle just convinced herself that Kris said all that to avoid the frozen chicken reality

>>712783628
It takes control of any fight that occurs

I think Toby is complicating things too much. Why say that this isn't a sequel to Undertale but that they're connected? Because that would imply that Light World is like a parallel reality created by someone, and that makes sense because we ourselves are creating other universes by opening dark fountains.

>>712783563
3 is the easier one to find because you don't have to do the retarded back and forth between screens

>>712783651
>you are destiny

>>712783504
Praying toby doesn't fuck us over i just want them to get over the funk and reconnect

>>712782443
KEK

>>712782285
susie's ass is comically big in this

>>712782993
The point of Gerson's character is to have a neon sign flashing "THE PROPHECY IS BULLSHIT" over and over.

>>712783563
This was the only one I found on my own because I don't do things repetitively for no reason desu

>>712774721 (OP)
Nigga just turn on cheat engine and edit your HP and stop pissing away your life on some worthless challenge

>>712783076
Is that a fucking jojo reference?

>>712783751
you've been lucky

>>712774721 (OP)
>manlet freedom schizos
they're just like me frfr

>>712782671
Literally Evangelion make everything explode

>>712783751
MIKE, DON'T LET THIS ANON FIND OUT ABOUT HER FULL DIAP- UH I MEAN UH TAIL

>>712782882
you can judge the quality of the artist based on whether or not they forget the knight's hair.

>>712783628
You dodge for them. The minigame is an abstraction.
Well, that's my theory anyway.

>>712782671

>>712778418
I didn't S-rank board 1 and I still loved Chapter 3, I did T-rank board 2 so I got a very confusing experience of going to the northern isles and finding just a locked door

>>712783473
Honestly didn't see the pin until after I posted it

ANGEL'S HEAVEN is where Gaster is running the Survey Program.
ITS DESIRE is the Vessel, or Gaster made real again

I just saw on a stream that Toriel went to the hospital to ask about Kris's health. Huh, I guess she DOES notice something different about you.

>>712782352
Who put THIS guy in charge? It wasn't me! MIKE, WAS IT YOU?!

>>712783285
I could see it
>Gaster is associated with the number 666 in the files
>on the surface that makes him a devil
>but Lucifer is just a fallen angel
>Undertale specifically says he "fell into his creation"
If that event turned him into "the angel", then that would make him a fallen angel in a roundabout way.

>>712783628
>LOVE has an explicit connotation with combat and violence yet again in the DR universe
>You commandeer any combat scenarios between the main characters no matter if Kris is present or not
LOVE will find its way to all.

>>712783889

>>712783459

>>712779863
>"Watch out! That chair is going to kick your ass!"
What the fuck did you mean by that gumball machine fortune?

>>712784124
Chapter 5 Schizo boss is Asgore's cuck chair - confirmed.

we have a lack of Truly Detestable Niggas in Toby Fox games. I hope FRIEND is just fucking hateable.

>we're at the halfway mark
>thinking the chapters won't be important in normal route alone

ok idiots, help me out here, in the final scene, while sans and toriel are dancing downstairs, after they finish i hear 3 voices i think, theres no text, but by the sound they make you you know who it is

i can recognize sans and toriel saying something, but then i hear a third voice i dont recognize, is it asgore?

>>712775395
I could near flawlessly dodge all of his other moves but this bullshit would send me from full health on everyone to completely dead
Sword hallway was easy, just look ahead instead of at the soul and don't move too much

>>712783978
I have unfortunately developed an eagle eye for such things...

>>712784218
It's Susie. Opinion is split on if Susie told them to keep it the fuck down for Kris, or if she's speaking to Kris's window and the other dialogue silencing is Kris trying to focus on Susie's voice.

>>712784218
it was susie coming back telling them to shut the fuck up

>>712784218
It's Different based on what you've done

>>712784218
soosie calling your attention

>>712784218
I thought that was because Susie was talking outside the house.

>>712783889
>* he is in front of the tree...
toby will never write this kino

>>712784218

>>712778957
the only thing i enjoy about chapter 1 is jevil. toby's humor and dialogue is at its worst in that one, outright cringe at times.

>>712784218
it's susie dumbass
she tells kris the last part of the prophecy but we don't hear what it is

>>712782671
Tobias Foxworthy is HOPEpilled so I'm expecting something bittersweet but ultimately optimistic
Along the way I want lots of suffering and tragedy though

>>712784030
Man, I just want them to be friends again.

anons I have this really cool idea for an animated fight scene of susie and gerson and her earning his hammer
i have all these cool chorography ideas and angles in my head and I would match it up to the music and it looks so fucking cool in my head
but I have absolutely no way to make it real
I hate being incompetent

>>712778471
i interpreted kris being really deadpan during "gaming is my life" bit with the queen as him being fairly low powerlevel actually
he played multiplayer stuff with his bro as a kid, that's nothing in terms of being a TRVE gamer
if anything, susie has better gamer cred, since she played dragon blazers and cool skateboard game free online

>>712784363
Pick up a pencil and grind until you can make the things you want I need to take this advice too

>>712784269
>>712784274
>>712784282
>>712784284
>>712784328


i cant believe i didnt recognize Susie

>>712784363
The window is almost closed on art anyway, due to Generative AI. Kids in the future will just GenAI ideas instead of learning to sketch.

>>712782668
It's heavily foreshadowed that the soul/player is the angel.

Thank god Asgore is part of the prophecy. It really annoyed me that Toriel was asleep throughout chapter 3 and almost completely absent in chapter 4. In fact, I thought that the weird route in chapter 3 was going to involve manipulating Toriel into burning the enemies instead of freezing them.

>>712779962
>First true ontologically evil Toby Fox character
i'm not sure carol is going to be redeemable. the vibes from her "theme song" are tremendously bad, that thing sounds like a fucking genocide track.

and c'mon, wouldn't it make sense for the first evil toby fox character to be a homophobe that's trying to tear apart his perfect yuri pairing?

>>712783504

>>712774721 (OP)
Put the mantle on Susie. Use Kris and Ral as Defence spammers to build TP. Use Susie as the sole attacker with Rude Buster. Dont bother using Kris as an attacker, he deals less damage in this fight unless both allies are down.

First turn build TP, you should not take any damage this turn, reset if you do for any of the first three turns.

Second turn use "hold breath" so your [SOUL] moves faster.

YOU NEED a few revives for this fight, I beat it with two, one is fucking hard but still possible.

>>712784363
same but with the knight fight and i can actually draw but not animate plus it'd take like a bazillion years to make and it'll still look like shit

>>712784512
that scene also foreshadows taking over susie or noelle as the vessel later

>>712784207
Yea we need someone to match or outdo your freak on snowgrave for the normal route

>>712783651
I have been Frisk, Chara, Kris. I have been called a hundred names and will be called a thousand more before the world goes dim and cold.
I am SOUL.

>>712784383
he can wavedash though which at least implies a powerlevel above normalfag

>>712784030
>that was enough to have Noelle go heads over heels for Kris and even try to kiss him

>>712784207
>we have a lack of Truly Detestable Niggas
bro your sans? toriel?? bratty???

>>712784465
the problem is animation is extremely tedious and grueling work for very little payoff, I just don't have the patience to deal with the grind
and I'm thinking of something really high quality, like all kinds of crazy angles and movements that would take someone genuinely really skilled to be able to make
I am simply incapable of that level of dedication to anything that isn't dead video games no one cares about

>>712784601
Susie did say he was a flirt god, he probably did it unintentionally

how do i get the secret knight fight?
also did i fuck up in getting the egg, i beat the bat already?

>All the shit about Toby's wrist
It's genuinely so fucking unfair bros, he doesn't deserve that at all

>>712783651
Fuck it I spent a few minutes drawing out the theory. Simple gist of it is that as we have all the paths laid out before us by the final release, we'll be able to jump around and piece together the true path forward to get the True Ending of the game. I'm extremely doubtful this would happen but I thought it would be a really cool possibility.

what was up with the friend enemies in the mantle fight

>>712784512
There's waaaay more evidence of Noelle being the angel tho

>>712782534
More like Virovirokun

>>712779596
He also said there was only one ending and I'm calling his bluff because that doesn't mean paths aren't going to be better than whatever they credits it funnels into

>>712784363
>>712784642
Try learning 3D animation, guaranteed someone's already made a good enough Susie and will probably make a good enough Gerson by the time you're done with the choreography and background work. And it's easier to have crazy camera angles and movements than if you were draw it out frame by frame, even digitally.

>>712784727
>kun
>woman

>>712784770
you know kun can also be used for girls, right?

>>712784770
-kun can be used for females.
Very few Japanese terms are actually gendered primarily, they're ordered by social hierarchy.

>>712781619
female characters just don't get written or designed like tumblr sexymen do, simple as.

There's one ending since, ultimately, it's how the loops end after some contrived bullshit. I think even Snowgrave ends in a loop.

>>712783285
anon don't you see it? gaster is the egg man.

>>712782534

Virovirosama...

>>712784763
3d animation is soulless
I wanted it to be dragon ball-like and I grew up watching Disney movies so I'm groomed into being a 2d animation fag by default

>>712784692
Yea god damn, we are very lucky to live in an era that still lets you make music. Hope DT ends well just for him

>>712784692
were there updates on it or is it just the things we already know about the multi-track ball mouse voice-to-text struggle session that was going on in 2021

Why does the community eternally forget that "only one ending" became "...only one ending?"
Fuck, the end of ch4 is Ralsei screaming
>I WANT TO BELIEVE
>THAT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE ENDING
Fighting fate is the premise of the game!

>>712784601
Well, duh.
Kris played right into her fantasy of getting scared shitless and then being reassured and even shown she'll be protected.

>>712784926
>>712784916
>>712784692
chapter 3 and 4 have a lot of what I'm assuming is just toby himself playing the piano so it's probably better?
same shit happened to sakurai

>>712780663
>Free
>costs 1 point

If the sea/flood theory actually pans out into something I'm gonna freak.

>>712782671
There's how I think it should end and how I want it to end, and those are two different things.
How I think it should end? Whatever it was that Toby saw that made him set out on this whole game development journey. He's long superseded any doubts I had about him, and I fully trust him to make something incredible.
But, like Susie? I don't actually want it to end. I love these characters and this world. I love the mysteries and the jokes and the little touches that make it feel so alive.

I know, rationally, that letting this game drag on forever wouldn't work. Every aspect of it was designed towards coming to an ending. I'd get sick and tired of it as it collapsed under its own weight, as the heart and SOUL got used up and the game turned into mush. Better to be left wanting more than less.
But goddamn, even though I know we've still got more of DR still to see, I already miss it.

>>712784975
True I've just seen this happen before, sentiment remains

>>712784860
there's only one ending because the entire game is just a memory of something that already happened. the "Second" ending is just the protag reaching some sort of catharsis about what happened and letting go

>>712784975
i think its lena raine actually, uncomfirmed but she's mentioned for piano in the credits

This IS 1225 too. So why did that fucking website not say anything special for that number?

>>712784723
Noelle is more likely to be the 2nd hero.. She equips bows/swords and the prophecy mural looks like her wearing the white hood.

As the prophecy states, love finds the girl. Or if we interpret it another way... LOVE (Level of Violence) finds the girl.

>>712784972

>>712785149
Can she equip ribbons?

>>712784030
How soaked was Noelle after Kris said he’d protect her?

>>712784975
>>712785110
Toby said it was him doing the piano for the church puzzle that Kris takes control for. Lena did editing for it. Dunno if Toby also did the tracks for the manor, but they sound like how his playing usually sounds when he's just freestyling.

>>712785110
she edited the audio, the recording is his

>>Fighting Knight
>God this is so fucking bullshit how the fuck is this fair at all
>>Beat Knight
>Good fucking riddance this fucking sucked
>>Look back on it an hour later
>That was fun, hope there's another one like it later
What's this phenomenon called?

>>712785180
Yes.

It's insane to me how people seem so sure that the player is the angel despite nearly every single scene that noelle is in has angel foreshadowing. Yes I know about the time the angel fell on the soul. The only way I could see the player being the angel is if it's after possessing noelle or something. All angel theories that don't involve noelle in some way should be immediately discredited

kris and noelle followed the pointed tail into the forest
they are stuck in the bunker
nothing but the darkness and sounds of water
they are dying
they need to WAKE UP

>>712785257
Fair and Balanced Syndrome.

>>712785257
Homosexuality

>>712785250
>Toby said it was him doing the piano for the church puzzle
source? i didn't know he said stuff about the chapters

>>712785318
grab a brush and put a little makeup?

>>712784625
>Sans
jerk prankster makes too much comedy to be hated
>Toriel
not a perfect parent but I'd bet all my POINTs she's better than whatever Susie's got
>Bratty
damn that's actually a good one

>>712782352
Holy cute
tfw no bf

>>712785250
>>712784975
I was high as shit when I stumbled on kris in the manor and I just listened to him play for the entire 10 minutes
it felt like toby was putting on a concert just for me

https://litter.catbox.moe/ofik9v21pxktwocq.png

now to ask the real questions:
is kris a standout flirting talent, or he's average for a human and monsters just have negative rizz?
at least from what we've seen so far it feels like the later because monsters are embarrassing when it comes to it
even darkners don't seem to suffer from that as harshly, some are way more smooth, ralsei even rizzes up susie a few times

>>712784908
>crabbing yourself to death
grim

bangin sermon my man

>>712785302
she might be the angel, but the angel isn't the one who dies. the angel is the one who brings death.

>>712781335
>thorn ring is from Asgore's flowers and made it to the Spamton through tenna's trash bin in the household
>Flowey motif in bitroots and roots songs

I've been unhealthily obsessed with Noelle ever since chapter 2 released and every ounce of weird route or even normal route content involving her I get now intensifies this obsession 100 fold. Help me...

I really need to finish my weird route and collate any and all information related to the sea/waves/songs

Kris is a boy.

>>712785302
Weird route is letting you avoid banishment by not being the angel and forcing Noelle to be instead

Ralsei is a toy.

>>712785302
I would think Susie would recognize Noelle in the prophecy mural depicting the angel. Ralsei is very specific that it is indeed what the angel looks like.

Noelle's connection to the angel seems to be what the weird route is heading towards, the angel (soul/player) taking over Noelle as a new vessel.

>>712785302
The player can be "THE Angel" while Noelle still symbolically represents The Angel. There wasn't just one "Angel" in Undertale, the player and Asriel/Chara/Frisk all fit the prophecy.
Other aspects of the prophecy can have multiple meanings/interpretations too. The "Angel's Heaven" could be, say, Carol wanting to make a "perfect world" for her family where Dess and Rudy are well again, and also the world of Deltarune as a whole being an idealized fantasy world for the player to experience.

>>712784968
I never even noticed this, nice to know that Toby was just fucking with us AGAIN
>>712784908
You're sad

susie doesn't know what the angel is
but
kris does, kris doesn't like looking at it.

it's the save point.

>>712785257
I think your brain really just needs time for it to sink in.
>fought the knight for 4 hours straight
>took a break to have dinner and a shower
>come back and beat it 3rd try
A lot of the patterns that seem like total bullshit at first were no problem by the time I beat it. It's fair once you get how the attacks work.

>>712778471
>>712780026
>>712775331
>>712780714
>>712780945
actually Kris identifies as they/them

Is it wrong to wish Kris were my boyfriend?

>>712784968
reminder that toby just added weird route into chapter 2 and never told a soul
trust the dog he will COOK kino like he always does
>>712785653
you're gay

>>712783651
can you post some shit posts again those were funny. i especially liked the "I have been Roland, Beowulf, Achilles, Gilgamesh" parody but for indie game protags you wrote.

>>712785414
I swear I've seen this artist before somewhere else, what was the name?

>>712785718
I hope Susie keeps doing stuff like this for the remainder of the game

>>712784642
The closest to an """easy""" solution is to make a storyboard instead of a full animation, the individual cells will give you more room to practice and improve and when you're ready you can add more cells inbetween the ones you've made. Repeat until the cells are so similar it becomes an animation

>>712785257
>>712785686
I think what I like the most about the knight fight is that looking back it's clearly softballing its attacks because it (rightly) thinks these kids will just fall over. Then after the 4th or 5th attack it's like "okay something is fucking weird I'm gonna start putting some effort in" and then you get the mix-ups like the alternate sword hall or when it splits the arena diagonally.

Do I have to do a complicated puzzle to get the egg in chapter 4 too or is it more in line with chapters 1 and 2?

>>712785718
>Noelle reliving the trauma of the Dreemurs dissappointingly unlengthened couch

>>712780142
what fucking candy? i camped for 5 full add waves and didn't have a single fucking spawn

>>712785602
Noelle's angel form could be like Dess's knight form in that it's reasonable that someone wouldn't recognize it, but I do appreciate theories like yours and >>712785628 for including Noelle in your angel theories, even if I don't agree. My point was that angel theories necessarily should involve Noelle in some way or they're obviously missing something

>>712777095
>>712780142
>>712785909
I suspect the more you die to that fight the more likely the FRIENDS will spawn candy, or else there's some RNG element. On my winning run they spawned 3+ candy in a single cycle

>>712785883
Finding the egg in chapter 4 is much more like chapters 1 and 2 compared to ch. 3.

>>712785920
>talking about Dess knight like it's fact
2025's cat mike.

>>712785862
okay but you're forgetting a small problem
I CAN'T DRAW

>>712782807
>>712782668
>>712782231
I think Titans are goner angels aka monochrome copies of Players

that's why they have save point faces. The Original Angel will be (us) and have a gold theme with its appearance. That's what the Starwalker symbolizes indirectly

>>712785851
Bleachedleaves, I think

>>712785909
>>712785959
I noticed that
>when you have less than half your HP the FRIENDS won't spawn candy
>when you do have more than half they will spawn candy in doves
Either that or it's pure RNG

>>712785978
I don't accept it as fact. It could be Carol, even if it's more likely to be Dess in my opinion. Though I completely disagree with the Mike comparison since there's actually evidence the knight could be Dess unlike Mike and Friend being the same person

Do you have to deposit the eggs somewhere in chapters 3 and 4 or do they just count by being gotten this time? I can't find anywhere to put them.

>>712785883
It's almost the same as chapters 1 and 2 with the exception that you first have to find a secret room

>>712785302
The player fusing with Noelle could turn into a super angel. Assuming Toby brings back that plot point from undertale to use in Deltarune

>>712782668
Do you guys really think the median player is a teenage girl?
I'm now genuinely curious what the ratio of male:female is for players and the age ranges.

>>712785302
The game says Deltarune is the Angel, and the game then calls the player the Deltarune.

It's that simple.

The reason why the depiction of the angel is blacked out in the hidden stained glass is so the player's face's reflection on their screen appears there instead.

>>712785883
It's closer to Chapter 2. There's a door you have to go through and it's pretty obvious when you're in the right spot. The hard part is figuring out which door.
If you followed the second round of Spamton Sweepstakes stuff you'll know the solution.

>>712786084
it's not even a member of the holiday family, you're getting too caught up on the horns.

>>712785418
Honestly it's funnier if this autistic weirdo is inexplicably genuinely really good at flirting

>>712785978
See you in Chapter 5

>>712786093
All of your eggs end up on Berdly's desk at the start of chapter 4.

>>712785257
Being frustrated does not mean disliking something we humans enjoy challenge.
I play games on the assrape difficulty and make books worth of complaints while playing it because I have to do 30+ reloads per hour. And at the end of it I praise the difficulty because it was more fun that stomping everything

>>712786093
They count simply by being obtained. You can check on Berdly's desk

>>712786142
Well if you don't think it's a Holiday, then I can promise you that whoever you seem to think it is, it certainly has less evidence for it.

>>712785883
Egg difficulty rank
Easiest
>4
>3
>1
>2
Hardest

I actually have no idea how you're expected to find Eggs 1 and 2 on a blind playthrough without metaknowledge or unreasonable luck.

does anyone have the version of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9r_nMzdTu4 but instead its asriel and asgore?

>>712786221
anon the knight is the cat, dumbass.

>>712786238
2 does tell you that there is a room inbetween

>>712786238
2's is the easiest because there's literally graffiti on the wall showing you where to go.

She's so perfect vros...

>>712786238
What? Egg 2 is literally the easiest one there is fucking graffiti in the dog dumpster room that says something to the effect of "what lies between".

>>712786142
Why is The Knight pretending to be a reindeer

>>712786238
2 is the easiest. It has a picture of the egg tree on the wall in the room you're supposed to look for it. 1 is the hardest because you simply just would not ever find it without outside information

>>712786238
what the fuck anon, 2 is literally the easiest, and 1 is easier than 4 because 4 because it's on the main, required path while 4 is on an optional area's secret room

>>712786142
Actually fucking deluded if you seriously think the Knight is a character we've never seen before.

>>712786001
OF COURSE YOU CAN DRAW FAGGOT, IT CAME FOR FREE WITH YOUR ABSTRACT THINKING
>but muh quality
YOU CAN ACHIEVE QUALITY RETARD, THE POSSIBILITY IS PACKAGED WITH YOUR HIPPOCAMPUS

>>712786179
>>712785978
I didn't 100% believe it until the following 2 details:

>guitar noise you can barely hear when touching the hand outside the screen in chapter 4
>"you felt like something was behind your head" line during the fight is referencing Dess hitting Kris in the head with her whiffle bat as kids

>>712786265
Do you have any evidence for that or are you just epic trollin

Currently replaying the entire game. What should I pick? The Devilsknife or Jevilstail?

>>712786271
>>712786272
>>712786295
>>712786312
>>712786332
So you're telling me a player who does not know about the eggs AT ALL will see this graffiti and just magically naturally intuit that they need to walk back and forth for a 2% trigger to happen?

You need metaknowledge to know about eggs 1 and 2, or pure unreasonable luck.

>>712786427
Leave that nigger alone and be an actual individual
Doing no shadow crystals is being an actual rebel

>>712786142
You are a "Asriel is the Knight" truther, aren't you?

>>712786363
fuck you faggot
I'm going to draw the shittiest susie you've ever seen

>>712786118
>The reason why the depiction of the angel is blacked out in the hidden stained glass is so the player's face's reflection on their screen appears there instead.
This is the Reddit theory to end all Reddit theories.

>>712774721 (OP)
you don't have to beat that boss
you're meant to lose

>>712786457
Tbdesu i didnt know eggs were a thing until i read it somewhere. I didnt get the one in chapter 1 and when i saw this graffiti i thought it was just some retarded creature with Frisk eyes

>>712786457
I mean, I agree with you about that, but chapter 1 doesn't give you a single hint at all. It's the entire reason that I don't think the eggs will be important because you have to have looked up information to find it

>>712786332
To be fair if you know about 2 you should have an idea for four since they're both rooms off the main path that have moss and a visual hint to the egg. 4's just a lot harder to spot.

>>712786457
That still doesn't make any sense because someone who doesn't know about the eggs also wouldn't walk back and forth on chapter 4, AND they'd have a harder time finding the room to do it in to begin with

>>712786427
Devilsknife, cheaper and stronger Rude Busters is great even if you just use them for a few boss fights

>>712786427
Jevilstail if you're doing pacifist
>>712786471
jevil hands typed this post

What are some games that will make me feel similar to how Deltarune makes me feel? I don't mean games that are mechanically or even narratively like DR. I mean games where I can feel the passion and heart and love of the person behind it. I want games that make me feel as though the developer is speaking to me the same way DR makes me feel like Toby is.

>>712786427
Devilsknife is thematically better and will stay with Susie until half of Chapter 4
will also help a lot against the Knight

>>712786457
4 is literally the same level of hint as 2 except you also need to find the one walkable door in a hall of sixty nearly identical doors
You're insane

>>712779469
I wish she could be a party member
I can't tell if I like Susie or Noelle more

>>712786665
Toby likes Susie more.

>>712786601
Mirrored Soul from /agdg/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1886210/Mirrored_Soul/
really good game with good music, SMT-inspired fusion/monster system with mother 3/Off style graphics

>>712782671
>Gang realizes they can't change the prophecy
>Susie dies to the Knight
>Ralsei betrays the gang, Kills Noelle, and steals/reveals the ThornRing
>Fight and kill him while he's ranting about how much he hates Lightners
>Later find out that there is an unknown way to avert the prophecy
>Kris takes the ring and fuses it into the TwistedSword
>Under it's effect the reset power is stronger and he can remember things now
>The game's ending is (You) and Kris resetting, on the same side to fix things for good

>Reset back to chapter 1 for Deltarune 2: This time with 22 routes and 100 endings

>>712786457
>>712786530
It's actually kind of interesting to think about. If you have knowledge of the eggs existence and the "rooms between" gimmick then the difficulty in finding the eggs, assuming you don't know the location already, would be:
>2
>4
>3
>1
But if you have literally no idea of any of this then I honestly think 3 is the only one you'd possibly find, and it's still really unlikely.

WHY DOES THIS RANDOM FUCKASS SONG FOR ONE OF THE MIKE MINIGAMES HAS THE FREEDOM MOTIFF AT 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXXKQ_nl30

>>712786601
Hypnospace Outlaw.

>>712785978
>>712786084
>>712786142
There's nonstop hints that Knight = Dess
>both use bats, raise your bat
>carol reveal
>dess's room's items
>knight is left handed, dess's mouse is on the left
etc
Toby WANTS the player to think Dess is the knight.

But Toby also loves subverting expectations, so it's most likely going to be something batshit like Papyrus or something.

>>712786265
"the cat"
there's at least a dozen fucking cats in this game

>>712786457
>So you're telling me a player who does not know about the eggs AT ALL will see this graffiti and just magically naturally intuit that they need to walk back and forth
no they're going to examine the picture with the interact key and be shown text that says "there's a room between the rooms" and then intuit that they should walk back and forth

>>712786751
its just some off-base nyctba/big shot remix

>>712786751
>Air WAVES
THERE IT IS ANOTHER MENTION ABOUT WAVES IT'S ALL RELATED I TELL YOU

>>712775395
This one with the knife circle is crazy, it gets me way harder than the circular hallway for some reason. My brain can't make the precise directional movements with limited room.

>>712786372
>guitar noise you can barely hear when touching the hand outside the screen in chapter 4
bullshit, no fucking way

>>712786601
disco elysium
>>712786764
this

>>712786771
I'm a dess believer, but I only think the bat thing is good evidence out of that list. Deltarune sprites aren't consistent when they get flipped so the knight's handedness is pretty weak evidence, in my opinion. And I'm not sure what you could mean about the other two.

>>712786751
its a big shot remix in the non canon extras room

>>712786789
listen to the other instrument in that segment

>>712786835
I think the idea with that one is to do the frame perfect dodges just as the swords turn red to minimize movement and get TP. Basically the sword circle is bait.

>>712786457
So a thing to consider is Chapter 3's egg does technically give you the hint guide on how to get those eggs now, even if that entails figuring out how to get the chapter 3 (though while you can get locked out of it you could definitely figure that one out as it's not really a random chance like before but figuring out an elaborate bullshit puzzle).
Beyond that though, all it takes is a random chance for people to find the chapter 1 and 2 eggs, once you figure out 1's egg chapter 2 is a dead giveaway on what to do there and plus examining it does give you a hint in 2's case. Also unlike 3 and 4 you can backtrack to get those eggs whenever you want. I think the only fair case of true criticism is chapter 1's egg due to how there's no hint until chapter 3.
In terms of difficult I'd say it's 2 > 1 > 4 > 3 (easiest to hardest).

>>712786896
The knight never holds its bat while also facing right
And it would be easier to the draw the knight being right handed when facing left

>>712785697
Kris is a man's name, and I'm a man!

>>712786896
the knight holds the sword on left hand during chapter 4 when its facing the front

>>712786957
it does during the undyne part

>>712787003
oh shit

>>712786601
I dunno, Sonic 3 & Knuckles fits that bill for me

>>712786378
there's the lightner "friend" and the little fucking demon shadows of him that you've already seen 50 times already. this is strong evidence that the knight isn't december unless she's somehow a fucking cat or something.

tdo you understand the implications of the knight being called a fallen star and a washed-up conch? being the dark/star typing? what it means for a lightner, a real person, to be a "fallen star" or "washed up"? the knight was a big shot, and now is a failure. like spamton, like asgore. maybe asriel too if he's doing bad at college. unless december has a tragic backstory of success and failure that has been conveniently left out, she doesn't fit the role.

there's more than this like the spamton rabbit hole with the mirrored plotlines and him literally trying to give away a black knife in the sweepstakes, but this is all I'm gonna bother with.

>>712786771
>But Toby also loves subverting expectations
He really doesn't.
His writing is extremely meta, but he's not really subversive at all. The ending of chapter 4 was one of the most earnest and authentic "teenagers use the power of friendship to kill Satan" moments in recent memory.

>>712786601
buddy you'll be chasing that all your life but I've always been on the look out for more games like Legend of Mana (and I can't even call it good) so try that

>>712786836
Someone link the video

>>712786816
okay now connect it to water waves

>>712786751
>bad apple at the start of the song
>kris smells like apples
evil kris confirmed

>>712782671
There's only one ending and it's bad, however there seems to be themes about overcoming destiny and fate. So a long three phase fight that can only culminate from recruiting as much darkners as possible, gathering all shadow crystals, and being as nice as possible to everyone in the light world.
Phase 1.
Each shadow crystal takes a turn becoming the different soul colors, forming a prism that amplifies light, this phase fails if you don't gather all shadow crystals

Phase 2.
Each worlds darkners appear to give their support, each chapters secret boss creates a path forward for The Shit Squad

Phase 3.
Each Lightner that's been to the dark worlds appear to give Kris their light, further amplifying your souls brilliance

From Kris bursts forth a Titan of Light, to bring balance to Light and Dark once and for all

>>712787003
Yeah I know it does when front facing, which is interesting, but your image shows deltarune just isn't consistent with this kind of thing.

>>712787054
he's earnest but he likes to surprise people above all else. he always darts away from where you're expecting him to go.

>>712786836
no that's 100% real but it also doesn't mean december is the knight, she could just as easily be the angel, it just means there's some real genuine fuckery going on.

>>712785414
This bitch SOAKED

>>712787094
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wind affects water idk

>>712786601
All the Xeno games are kinda like that, for better or for worse

>>712786118
A reflection is likely the intent with it.

There's also the data-mined image of the castle town with wings. Which is called [PLAYER]Town and features a heart on the door to the fountain...

>>712786751
that songs original title was "penultimate battle to the death in the night sky" by the way

>>712786703
give full now

>>712785706
No, pxdonon

>>712787087
>>712786836
I found it

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xfOlGbiHxo0

>>712786601
for me, it was only homestuck, and even then only the first half past the bad opening.
toby is pretty irreplaceable.

>>712787054
Chapter 1 has a lot of "subverting expectations" but that's more about playing off people's expectations from Undertale and setting new ones, as part of the process of establishing Deltarune's identity distinct from it.

>>712786427
You know I just realized: Jevil only has yellow in his theme. every other schizoboss has pink and yellow in their theme, except for Jevil.

>>712787202
oh, so it was unused. really fucking weird but its another piece of evidence for dess knight and for the knight being the one whose pushing back.

>>712786601
ZeroRanger and Void Stranger
Rain World
Nine Sols
Crow Country
Signalis
Hi Fi Rush
DUSK
Mondealy (if you're a bit of a gooner)

Those are all VERY different games, so pick whatever one seems most interesting to you. They are, however, at least to me, very, very special.

>>712787113
Titan of light is the fully colored golden star avatar representing the game itself, that we have "colored in" the monochrome save points "with care" like Kris's aces.

We're filling in Monochrome/Copy/Goner save points with our hopes and dreams, and what do we see every time we finish a chapter? GOLD STARS in the chapter menu

Copies are monochrome, Originals are color. We're doing the "original" playthrough of the game, Starwalker is symbolizing this while the non-original starwalkers resemble titans

>>712787271

Well /v/?

>>712787187
Yeah I got FF9 Alexander vibes from this. Castle Town definitely becomes a titan

>>712787050
I think you're a bit too in the weeds. Do you think that the knight's ball form looking kind of like a marble and this backstory you made up for the knight is stronger evidence than what's there for it being a holiday?

>>712787187
man chapter 4 really changed my expectations of what's behind that door

chapter 1 expectations: aww we're gonna have to fight poor ralsei and seal his fountain

chapter 4+ expectations: pic related

>>712784218
I genuinely thought it was Kris until Susie popped up

>>712786601
xenoblade
the wonderful 101
viewtiful joe
sonic adventure 1 and 2
bayonetta
metal gear rising
basically every 3d mario
katamari
sakuna of rice and ruin
uhhhh
deltarune

>>712785519
Me too idgi

>the crux of Kris's arc is wanting to save his edgy tomboy GF whose body is being used as a weapon for some unknown purpose while her mind floats in the void

>>712787003
>>712787116
Yeah, Gerson is another example. His bad eye flips when he turns left and right.
Toby is lazy and normally just flips sprites instead of having dedicated left and right ones.

>>712787345
How can I say no?

>>712785519
I'm obsessively annoyed by her

>>712787426
>sakuna of rice and ruin
hehehe i cumed

>>712787345
>KISS the MY ASS
I love my retarded dino daughter

>>712786601
Homestuck

>>712786681
Susielle is not shaping up to be a good thing...

>>712784723
the angel will be noelle controlled by the player, boom solved

>>712785021
the roaring is a flood of darkness and Castle Town is the "Ark" with our soul carrying the survivors, it makes plenty of sense

>>712786601
Earthbound.
Mother 3.
YIIK but it's bad.

>>712787605
Damn, Krissy is already sporting a nine o' clock shadow? The Dreemurrmen must be bursting with testosterone.

>>712787605
It's still happening

>>712786601

>>712785681
Angel = final form GOLD STAR save point
Titan = final form GRAY save point aka Goner save point

Player's soul is required to color in monochrome save points, resulting in the player's ascension as an Angel. Titans are failed players from doomed runs of the "game" that's why they have human characteristics like the Bald Man head and Fetuses.

>>712787187
>>712787353
YEah I kinda think it reminds me of Alexander too

So what the fuck is gonna be the reveal of Starwalker?

ralsei x susie is better than susie x kris

Titans and Angels are both players.

>>712787667
oh you're that really crazy tranny that frequents these threads

>>712787810
considering he's entirely optional, probably not much. Maybe you get a cool starwalker weapon as the payoff or something that would be neat

>>712787810
He's the original save point before (you) saved over it

>>712787867
Titans are Goner Players/Angels

>>712787792
so fuckin mad he wasnt an eikon in 16

>>712787364
the december knight people can't even explain the inconsistencies, and the design starts to fall apart into "it's dark world magic ain't gotta explain shit" the second you bring up shit like her being twice as tall as rudy.

it's as simple as this:
if the horns are real, that means she has a snouted, cheekless face like a reptile, which she obviously doesn't
if the horns are fake and part of the helmet, then 90% of the evidence dies with them

>>712787873

Starwalker will show up in place of one of the gold stars in the "chapter complete" menu which BTW ARE gold save points that we colored in

>>712787858
trvke

>>712787868
So what

>>712787521
the crux of kris' arc is not wanting to be a nobody and resenting his brother.

>>712787873
>>712787936
Shit like this is why I keep coming to these threads. Just completely out there theories that could plausibly be something toby does.

>>712776089

>>712787858
Ralsei X Fem Kris is better than both

>>712787345
where are the pixel art elitists calling Toby a hack for using mixels and rotating sprites?

imagine thinking this is december holiday

>>712787992
Toby is right here lurking and making sure that none of the possible theories posted here make it into canon

>>712787923
Who do you think it is

>>712787858
I swear there's a reference to this fucker in the 4th egg room.

>>712787969
>self inserting le transbian fantasy
lmao women will never like you, you weird misogynist freak

>>712788078
oh holy shit susie's parents would be a golden left turn for lmao2knight

>>712787923
She's an Amalgam or equivalent.
Any " The Knight is a regular townsperson" theories have the problem of "why the hell do they look like that in the dark world when everyone else just gets a costume change" and "how the hell did they fly into the shelter so fast while keeping Undyne restrained in the light world"

FUCK YEAR I still have like 3 revivemints leftover. I got REALLY lucky on the patterns and never even saw the diagonal board split move, and managed to 2hu instinct my way through the rapid slash and the final attack and felt SO good.

>>712788094
FUCK

>>712788078
>>712788172

I had a toby-tier fever dream 3 days ago that Susie's last name is Gaster and it's a reference to the Snallygaster which is a tentacled dragon cryptid from Maryland that lives in lakes. She's the Susigaster

>>712787923
It being a transformed Holiday explains the antlers and ice magic as well as giving it a secret identity. It's narrative satisfying too, as it means there's a connection between the protagonists and antagonist and sets up for an emotional reveal down the road. It being Friend would just be strange. Why would it have antlers or even hide its identity? The reveal later on that it was actually friend the whole time would have no emotional impact and feel random

>>712788094
but what if.... I didn't want tgem to happen >:)

>>712788257
This nigga reaching into the noosphere and pulling out kernels of collective knowledge

>>712788043
its been a part of toby's style to use jank pixels since the start. the iconic heart logo is a mixel monstrosity.

>>712775395
This is the fairest attack. The bullshit attack is the one where she splits the box and forces the heart to go down

>>712787923
The Kris we play as in the dark world isn't the real world kris because dark world kris is blue and has armor while real kris isn't and doesn't

This is what you sound like

>>712788103
a mentally unwell, washed-up has-been who manipulated kris with promises of freedom

>>712788197
>She's an Amalgam or equivalent.
aka "it's dark world magic ain't gotta explain shit". the game has tried VERY hard to keep hometown grounded, this isn't undertale. there's no reason to assume shit like amalgams exist outside of a dark world and it disrespects the narrative to come to that conclusion without any evidence

>>712781517
>>712782231
>Pitch black where the image would be
Seriously though Bravely Default did this twist first

>>712788257
This is bullshit but I believe it

>>712786751
Wait, isn't that song used for the minigame that has FRIEND showing up after a certain point?

>>712788325
>ice magic
it's star magic anon, the knight is dark/star aka a fallen star typing. all of the knight's non-sword attacks are labelled as stars, starchildren, and teeth.

>It's narrative satisfying too, as it means there's a connection between the protagonists and antagonist and sets up for an emotional reveal down the road.
susie doesn't know december and the knight plot so far is aggressively focused on her. if emotional value is important for this it'd hit harder for susie if it was like her fucking dad or something.

>Why would it have antlers
75% of this game is christmas decorations
>or even hide its identity?
to hide it from us.

>The reveal later on that it was actually friend the whole time would have no emotional impact and feel random
friend has been in the game since chapter 2 and becomes increasingly more prevalent

>>712788532
i didn't even notice my camera was on cause my shitty lamp made it blend into the background colors lmao

to this day, Undertale is of the best video game stories for me, maybe Deltarune will surpass it, but im not sure, UT was simply so... tight, like, you trimmed every bit of fat from the story and every single thing makes perfect sense within the setting, on top of the fact is a story that can only ever work as a video game, there will never be an Undertale Movie or Book, the narrative and the gameplay are completely intertwined, trying to take the story separate is like trying to separate eggs after you've scrambled them

but that just makes the story elegant and concise, tobias also somehow made UT one of the funniest games ive ever played and one of the most emotional too, and i just happen to really enjoy comedy and drama, so he got me there

DR has me real excited because, the one "flaw" in UT is that the gameplay was just OK, its fun, but nothing outstanding, DR mechanics are a significant improvement, specially with bosses that change the formula, the story doesnt feel as "trimmed" as UT yet, but i like it a lot, if tomboy's end result is anywhere near as satisfying as UT, this could make it into my top 10 vidya, thats exciting