What did I think of it? Please tell me /v/ still cares about this game and I'm not too late.

What did you decide for the canvas? Your answer will impact if this thread lives or dies.

>>713104521 (OP)
based

Despite the army of retards saying otherwise, /v/ liked it abd had lots of threads regarding the ending.

>117 hours
What did you do, turn the game on and come back a week later to play it?

>>713104647
I picked Maelle cause my assumption was that everyone would die. Gustave, her sister, Lune, Sciel, her husband, etc don't all deserve to have their existence revoked just because Verso is sick of living and he wants Maelle to stop killing herself.

>>713104521 (OP)
>117 hours

>>713104521 (OP)
>too late
Yeah, feels like everything's been said alrdy and most people moved on.

>>713104953
I did NG3 last weekend just to replay it once again.

>>713104521 (OP)
The discussions in early May were perfect because /v/ was fucking dead when the game released which didn't allow for release shitposting, but went to shit when it started getting universally praised which attracted pathological thread derailers like flies to shit.
Now let's run a janny check image.

>>713104883
I 100%d the game. Got every weapon and picto and every outfit you can get on the first run. Did everything. My characters were in the high level 90s. I also just spent a lot of time looking at the visuals and shit. Probably spent 20 hours on the camp listening to music and relaxing.

>>713104883
>>713104929
Also, why did you guys both misread the time? It's 177.

>>713104883
>>713104929
NTA but maybe he actually explored and did all the side content instead of rushing the ending like a zoomer retard

>>713104521 (OP)
over one hundred hours on a game is truly retarded

>>713105090
>Also, why did you guys both misread the time? It's 177.
Oh yeah how weird.

>>713105097
I did all the side content and read every optional dialogue and scrap of paper in logs and finished the game in 55 hours

>>713104909
Correct, your thread may now proceed

>>713105203
Well don't ask what my Monster Hunter or Dragon's Dogma times are.

>>713105090
I only briefly enlarged the image from thumbnail to take a single glance, I saw that first anon say 117 and thought he was correct and didn't bother checking again.

>>713105203
Anon, it's not every day I get a RPG that I want to finish. Truth be told, I was dreading being done with it and having no more content.

everybody sucks but based renoir

Do we all agree that Une vie à t’aimer is the best song in the game? https://youtu.be/oEtmFgonY3E?si=yXZERYFoH9iPUMC_

>>713105365
Name 3 things wrong with Gustave and Monoco. Also, which Renoir are you referring to? Both?

>>713105396
Shit, that reminds me, now that I'm finally done with this game I need to go hunt down the lyrics for all these songs.

>>713105437
Painted Renoir gets shafted by the story, just like his daughter.

>>713105396
I feel like if you spoke French the songs would increase from 10/10 to like 20/10 knowing what's coming etc.

>>713105437
>Monoco
1) Incompetent
2) Crybaby
3) Knew what Verso wanted to do and didn't warn the others. Evil

>>713104521 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>713105437
sorry i take it back
everybody sucks but renoir, monoco, gustave, esquie, and clea

>>713104909

>>713104521 (OP)
>177 hours
Damn, I thought I enjoyed myself. I bought the OST, because I felt bad about having this much fun for the game's low price. You should buy two.

>>713105890
I get that, anon, I really do, the game beat me over the head with it for both Maelle and her mother. But what that image doesn't take into account is everyone else inside the world. It's not like Gustave, Lune and all the others wake up too. They're just gone. Their existence is revoked. If Verso wants to die, so be it, nothing indicated to me that the others did.

>>713105906
I bought one for myself, and I gifted a second one to my friend after I realised just how good this game was.
Anyway, I'm going to dump my meme folder.

>>713106056
that image also doesn't account for torturing a child's soul to keep your VR goggles on

>>713106078
KEK
My headcanon to make me less sad about my choice is that Verso can convince Maelle to kill him eventually... Hopefully...

Maelle-sama?!! You've come back to the painting?!! After I tried for ONE-HUNDRED YEARS to try and save our mother from KILLING HERSELF in a FICTITIOUS REALITY that she TRAPPED herself because she couldn't HANDLE the fact I BURNED TO DEATH saving your life?!? Huh?!? You're decided to keep the TROLLEY going FULL STEAM AHEAD?!? Instead of MERCIFULLY letting this ABOMINATION die where a bunch of power-tripping RETARDS played GOD with human lives in PETTY FAMILY DRAMA, you're going to TRAP and BETRAY the last vestige of both me and your REAL LIFE BROTHER, who DIED saved you from an AGONIZING DEATH out of his LOVE, in a DEMIURGICAL HELLSCAPE?!?! And to add INSULT to INJURY you're going to make me watch Alicia, Clea and Renoir DIE HORRIBLY, and you're not EVEN GOING TO BRING THEM BACK??! You want TWO brothers and my personal happiness would GET IN THE WAY OF THAT?!?! And to add insult to injury you're not even going to bring Julie, whom I loved and am haunted in my nightmares by for harming, BACK?!!? You're going to let her stay DEAD?!?!?! You don't care about my feelings in ANY CAPACITY, despite EVERYTHING BOTH Versos have done for YOU?!?! Well what can I say but YABBBA DABBA DOOOOO! WHERE'S THAT PIANO?!!?

I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE
I HATE THE DEMIURGE

I don't want this life

>>713106056
It's moderation, none of the family understand it except maybe Clea. Just leave the painting be and drop in time to time.

>>713104521 (OP)
Did you manage to avoid spoilers and stay out of discussion while you played? That takes some will power, I respect that.

>>713106167
But what does that even mean? I can't tell what's a metaphor in this game and what's the actual rules of the barely explained magic system in the setting. Is Verso's soul actually there? I mean, shit, it might be. Somehow they were able to paint a new Verso that has all the memories original Verso has. Who the fuck knows how it works.

Anyways, even assuming you're correct, that's still a trade worth making for me. If I'm born in Omelas, I'm not gonna rock the boat. That's basically how our world already works to begin with.

Nobody
NOBODY
Absolutely nobody would side with maelle if she wasn't a redhead piece of jailbait
KILL THE DEMIURGE

Verso is correct because Phantom Stars carried me through like 50% of the game

>>713105396
Yes, and though the whole soundtrack is amazing, nothing comes close to Une via à t'aimer

>>713104909
Based

>>713104909
Did you pick up on anything suspicious in Maelle's ending? Anything that you think might be a bit "off"? Your answer will highlight if you are brown or not.

Lunebros...

If my nigga Monoco is alright with it, then it's fine

>>713106624
0 sex scenes with Verso

pRenoir also grieves for real Verso, correct?
Just before this he alludes to Aline painting him with the guilt of the fire incident.
So with this line, he means we will kill pVerso to save real Verso's soul?

>>713106523
they tell you about a thousand times that these "alive" paintings are made by the artist pouring a sliver of their souls (whatever the soul means in that world)
YOU TALK TO SAID PIECE OF SOUL BFORE THE MAELEE/VERSO FIGHT
You ask it if its tired and wants to stop painting and it nods.
Whatever piece of the real verso remains there is being kept alive against its will just so Maelle can play the sims

>>713106637

>>713106492
>Just leave the painting be and drop in time to time
Yeah, I think the game kind of handwaved that possibility away, even though it's obviously the most logical one. She said that if she tried doing that, Renoir would erase the painting. Which doesn't really make sense, he sounded understanding by the end, I don't think he would.

>>713106505
I nearly managed to avoid all spoilers, however, for the past month, I knew that Verso wanted to not be escapist and Maelle wanted to be escapist, so I kind of figured out what the choice was gonna be when I beat real Renoir. I'm glad both the Act 1 ending and the Act 2 ending went unspoiled for me, though.

I picked Verso because the little boy Verso was tired and I don't think forcing him to keep painting the world against his will was ethical.

>>713106637
And an Alicia version

>>713104521 (OP)
You thought it was a pretty novel experience with well executed direction, visuals, music, and voice acting, and that while the combat was easy at the end of the game, it carried you through the beginning and middle satisfyingly.

>>713106523
the important part is the sustainer doesnt want to sustain anymore
tho its likely hed be cool with it if aline, renoir and clea stopped fucking with his painting

NOOOOOOO PAPA NOOOOOOO VERSO PLEASE JUST ONE MORE HIGH PLEASE ILL PUT DOWN THE METH PIPE SOON I SWEAE PLEASEEEEEEEEE

>>713106729
>Yeah, I think the game kind of handwaved that possibility away
Because it's a possibility, but it would be like telling a crack addict to only do crack once a month. Good luck.

>>713106737
Based. These threads are good fun to see the mental gymnastics that certain people will go to to justify slavery.

>>713106819
>while the combat was easy at the end of the game
They really fucked up the enemy scaling in the main story but Simon was insane

>>713106056
>If Verso wants to die, so be it,
but he did and alicia did not say "so be it"

>>713106686
Yeah, anon, I had already figured out that the boy was Verso by Act 3. It became especially obvious with the train stuff. But that doesn't really explain mechanically to me what it means. Is it a "soul" in the sense that it actually is Verso there or is it just what he left of himself there, like how when you paint a painting and write a story, you cannot not leave your identity there in one way or another?

Or, to put it another way, if the little boy is Verso's soul, then how is fake Verso not Verso's soul as well? Even though he was created by the time real Verso was already dead?

Cucked to Cucker

>>713106552
Yeah, how could the Demiurge do this, it's horrible.

>>713106737
Maelle is basically Kirino if Kirino was a bad person

>>713106960

>>713106637

>maelle ending is canon
>dlc or sequel
>verso breaks free (he is struggling to break free even in the ending)
>him, Monoco and Esquie
>Clea sends a painted version of herself in to help him
>bring a couple of Expedition 0 back to life to fill out the roster
>Maelle is now the big bad
>monstrous versions of the other evil expedition members (lune, gustav, sciel) are the bosses
lets go

>>713104909
But they were already dead, stupid monkey.

>>713106624
>eyy it's my old pals mya and luna and seal
>it's me your old pal gooseman
>i am enjoying the being alive and where is piano?

>>713107059
behold the centrist and pity him for his soul is withered

All of Aline's people were already returned to Chroma at the end of act 2 anyway, letting baby boi Verso stop painting doesn't erase anyone other than his own creations, Lune, and Sciel.
I guess Clea's stuff as well but she wouldn't care anyway.

Donkey Kong or Death stranding 2 will be goty

>>713107059
This game was called CO: Expedition 33. What subtitle could we give the sequel so as to not instantly spoil the first game?

>>713106950
>make yourself taller to heightmog your painted simulacrum
Renoir made that painful for prenoir on purpose

Alright, thank god this thread is getting activity. I was afraid /v/ would have moved on. Thanks for posting lads, and for dumping the memes that I missed out on.

>>713106552
I'm not a pedo and I don't think Maelle is attractive. If anything I'd fuck Lune, but this game doesn't even have any big titted women in it desu senpai. A bit disappointing. I picked Maelle's ending purely out of philosophy.

>>713106624
Yes, the ending was a gut punch. Verso was miserable and Maelle was killing herself (Or Verso was imagining her killing herself, not sure which). But Gustave was there, his sister was there, Sciel was there, her husband was there, Lune was there, presumably her parents are around too. Nothing in this game indicates to me that these are fake people that aren't living their actual lives. Nothing in this game indicates to me that if Verso decides to end the painting, these people get to wake up in reality. That was why I chose Maelle.

One must imagine Verso happy

>>713106686
This, only good post so far.

>>713107172
you dropped this

>>713104521 (OP)
I'm still working through the post game stuff myself trying to find everything. It's an easy GOTY. If this game came out basically any year for the past like 4 years I'd say it would be GOTY.

>>713107264
>Camus
Any French philosophy post-Rousseau might as well be a tabloid.

>>713107262
>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
Nah, didn't read.

>>713105804
E33 > Metaphor > SMTVV >>>>>>>>> Y8

>>713106523
the sentient fading little boy you talk to throughout the game is being forced to sustain the painting and would rather stop. Take a shit, Alicia.

>>713107390
Did I say you could stop playing?

>>713107223
Give it a couple of french words (I didn't even know what Clair Obscur means until after playing).
The Next Cycle or The Cycle Continues.
>>713107059
A playable Clea would be a good redemption arc
>bring a couple of Expedition 0 back to life to fill out the roster
depowered Simon

>>713104521 (OP)
I think you thought it's one of the best acting performances you've experienced in video games in quite a while.

>>713105684
most of the songs aren't French, they just sound like it phonetically, the lyrics make zero sense aside from a few words

>>713107262
>I don't think Maelle is attractive
Both wrong AND a fag, baffling

>>713106685
I think he means saving him emotionally but that saving letting him die. I don't think painted Renoir really has any lingering attachment for the real Verso. He just wants his painted family to be together again.

>>713107223
Clair Obscur: Expedition 0

You are the first expedition against the new Paintress (Maelle). People might think it's a prequel, but then they'll be wrong.

>>713106270
>you're going to make me watch Alicia, Clea and Renoir DIE HORRIBLY, and you're not EVEN GOING TO BRING THEM BACK??!
Now that you mention it, should she have brought fake Renoir back? The others wanted to die. Renoir technically didn't want to die, but he cared about his family. Might have been less merciful to bring him back just to go "Oh yeah, all of your family wants to die, and so wants Verso btw, but I'm not killing him"

>>713107262
>(Or Verso was imagining her killing herself, not sure which).
deranged cope lmao the same thing was happening to her as aline, it's not even up for debate
>Nothing in this game indicates to me that these are fake people that aren't living their actual lives.
the crowd of unmoving unpainted white colored people (hmm all the white nevrons we met were defective/unfinished) didn't tip you off?

>>713104909
Congrats, your thread will live because you chose wrong and everyone will tell you that. Starting with me.

Painted people don't deserve to live leeching off Alicia's life.

>>713106737
>>713106884
>he's not actually sentient and as such doesn't actually feel anything. When Verso talks about him stopping painting he's simply projecting his own desires onto it and not talking literally
Wow that was a really hard one to counter

>>713106927
i wish i could punch you in the fucking face

>>713106737
Based as fuck.
Even if you see the painted people as "real", they don't deserve to live if it tortures a child.
>>713107685
>he's <headcanon>
Wow, that was a really hard one to counter.

Aaand that's pretty much it when it comes to my memes folder. Or at least the ending ones, might post the non-ending ones later on.
Between this and E.Y.E. 2 getting announced I really didn't expect 2025 to be the year of the French.

The real question here is actually which of the babes fits better with Verso?
Sciel, or Lune?

Maelleendingfags go to insane length to justify their shit ending but can't explain who's the kid sitting next to Maelle

>>713107743
The idea that he's sentient is equally if not more headcanon. The little boy doesn't get any actual narrative focus for a reason. Because IT is not actually important and the story not even once tries to paint heh it as important in the grand scheme of things. Real Verso is dead, the vestige of his soul does not make him alive. Painted Verso is the only actual character.

>>713107685
>if you assume multiple additional unsupported complexities, then...
fag
>>713107834
apprentice

>>713107650
>the crowd of unmoving unpainted white colored people (hmm all the white nevrons we met were defective/unfinished) didn't tip you off?
I'm gonna be honest with you, anon, I just took that as the limitations of the budget.
The game starts with Gustave and Sophie suffering together and being alive. This is the impression that the game gives me to start with. These people feel like real people.
Sciel and Lune have their backstories and they have real emotions, real pasts and real logical consequences to those pasts. They have goals. Lune wants to see her parents. Sciel wants to see her husband. These people also feel like real people.
Throughout the game, I picked up all the journals. These people were all long dead. They ALSO all felt like real people.

The ending having a limited number of models and not that much dialogue isn't enough to convince me otherwise.

>>713107795
Sciel will drop you when her husband comes back
Lune is the only answer.

>>713107795
i picked Sciel cause in the words of Patrice O'neal
>that girl was just giving out pussy, what a nigga to do? say no?

>>713107903
>completely different hair color that can't be justified by lightning
Oof

>>713107512
Well doing French in school all I could recall during was stuff like Je'taime, Renoir, Aline etc which are obvious. Maybe the Pleurer in Coleur.

I don't care about paintings
They are inferior
Their existence is worthless
Alicia can cope and seethe but she's killing herself playing fanfic

>>713107904
>game is almost entirely about visual presentations
>they cheaped out on the most important cutscene of the game
>they fully modeled the people, made them move slightly, gave them several outfits
>but making the outfits non-white is where the money ran dry
The most baffling aliciafag cope

>>713107903
>if you assume multiple additional unsupported complexities, then...
That's literally what you're doing. The story never presents what you're saying as reality. Painted Verso is always the singular focus. Let me ask, did you see the boy even one single time in Maelle's ending? Why is that? Don't you think that would be worth showing if what you were saying were true? DAMN anon it's almost like you're talking out your ass and making shit up.

>>713107978
If you take a shit on the painting what happens inside?

>>713107834
What's the implication here? I just finished the game, I'm not caught up on the theories. I assumed it was someone I forgot about from the first act (It's been months and hundreds of hours of gameplay) and I have no reason to disbelieve >>713107903

>>713107879
Nice headcanon

>>713107904
>limited number of models (literally just two)
>lumiere still wrecked (we fixed the fucking opera house though!)
Maelle is a shit goddess.

>>713107390
Verso is clearly meant to represent the trans experience.
Pretends to be someone he isn't and then tries to kill himself.

>>713108121
She only knows ruined Lumiere, she just wants to stay in act 2's ending and pretend everyone survived.

>>713107962
>can't be justified by lighting
lmao. Compare gustave's hair in light to...

>>713106886
>final boss can be easily one shotted if you do any decent amount of side content beforehand

It’s such a fucking waste that they gave final Renoir such an excellent final boss theme and all these cool moves when you can just instantly end him before he has a chance to use any of it.

They really needed to inflate enemy HP values by a lot.

>>713108256
...This. It's just lighting. Even Pierre's hair looks to be two different colors from different angles. It's the apprentice (one of the only other people Maelle felt close to), gg.

>>713108051
retarded anon is retarded and doubles down on his retardation when proven wrong

>>713108062
Midwit

>>713108325
I fixed that by simply not attacking him and learning to perfectly dodge all the attacks (Was afraid I'd one shot him if I countered). Fight took me half an hour kek.
Honestly, I was happy with that, after how long it took me to beat Simon.

>>713108325
You could just play the game without the maelle nuke but thankfully the devs patched out Stendhal and added damage modifiers for little miserable whiny bitches like you.

I’m going to kill your friends. Then your family. I’ll make you watch your brother die—just in case it might inconvenience me someday. After that, I’ll lecture my father on the meaning of family… before I kill him too. I’ll lie to you about everything—your actions, their purpose—because explaining the truth is hard, and I’d rather you unknowingly destroy your hometown, loved ones, and comrades.

Remember my sister? She wants peace. She believes we can talk things through. She wrote me a letter full of hope—one I’ll never share. I’ll convince her not to kill herself, all while making her life so miserable that staying becomes the crueler option. I’ve had 100 years to accept these fake memories of a man I never was, and even though you all support me as my own person… I’ll still kill everyone in Lumiere for the sake of the woman who created me.

You’ve forgiven me—again—for everything. So I’ll hesitate briefly. But Alicia once lied to Renoir after getting 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally, I must now kill you all. Clearly, there were no alternatives.

Now: suicide. It's morally grey, and totally for her. I mean, you saw what happened with Aline. The Dessendre tried nothing, and it didn’t magically work out. So that’s proof, right?
It has to be, otherwise I would have to think back on the time I gaslit and killed my girlfriend over a minor misunderstanding I did not even try to explain.

We’ll never know who’s right. Just endless fog, ambiguity... and a piano.

>>713108484

>>713107545
That was my interpretation as well. And he's right!

>>713108570

>>713108484
I was playing a solo Verso and still one shotted him because I had so many damage and crit buffs equipped.

From did most wrong to did nothing wrong
Aline
PRenoir
Maelle
Clea
PVerso
RRenoir
<Powergap>
Monoco
People of Lumiere
Gustave (literal saint)

>>713108484
>>713108593
I used Stendhal in Virtuous Stance to beat Simon's second phase and I don't regret it for a nanosecond.

>>713108642
What makes E33's narrative work so well to me is that I don't think a single character did anything "wrong". Well except the wriggers, fuck them.

>>713108683

>>713108748
Kill writers. Behead writers. Roundhouse kick a writer into the concrete. Slam dunk a writer baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a writers food. Launch writers into the sun. Stir fry writers in a wok. Toss writers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a writers gas tank. Judo throw writers into a wood chipper. Twist writers heads off. Report writers to the IRS. Karate chop writers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black writers. Trap writers in quicksand. Crush writers in the trash compactor. Liquefy writers in a vat of acid. Eat writers. Dissect writers. Exterminate writers in the gas chamber. Stomp writer skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate writers in the oven. Lobotomize writers. Mandatory abortions for writers. Grind writer fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown writers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize writers with a ray gun. Kick old writers down the stairs. Feed writers to alligators. Slice writers with a katana.

>>713108748
I dunno, man, going through >>713108683's list
What Aline did was pretty fucked.
Painted Renoir kills everyone on sight. Couldn't he just explain shit instead of instantly murking them?
Verso's defining characteristic is that he's a liar. Which it turns out is something he shares with real Verso, thus the masks motif.

>>713108778
Where is this screenshot from? I just finished Verso's ending now. I figured it'd be from there but I didn't see it.

By the way:
>>713107650
I am now doubly confident in my reading that it's just game budget limitations. Verso's ending with Alicia is basically as dead. You have the intact Eiffel tower, the family, the grave and the rest of Paris looks completely lifeless. If the point of the ending is that Maelle is no longer living an escapism life, shouldn't Paris be filled with people and look more alive than anything in Lumiere? You could very easily headcanon that it looked like that in itself was already a painting.

It's just game budget limitations, dude.

>>713108778
Monaco is pure Chaotic Neutral. The guy just wants to fight people for no reason other than it being fun.

>>713109032
>You could very easily headcanon that it looked like that in itself was already a painting.
Which reminds me. Even though I picked Maelle's ending, I know that Maelle is not a good person. Forcing Verso to stay alive and miserable is evil, but then, on top of that.
SHE PROMISED LUNE TO PAINT ANOTHER PAINTING THAT'S MEANT TO LOOK LIKE THE OUTSIDE WORLD? PAINTCEPTION? IS SHE FUCKING INSANE?

These painters create life willy nilly. Maybe the writers are on to something.

>>713109032
>houldn't Paris be filled with people and look more alive than anything in Lumiere
No you fucking retard, the point is to stop being an escapist little bitch, that doesn't mean the outside world is better, they're at war with the painters and his brother is still dead. Maybe if you got rid of that yee yee ass canvas we'd be killing writers on their base.

>>713104909
You're a good person, Verso pickers are literally the devil.

Gameplay was pretty fun but got really broken in act 3. I just one-shot everything before they even got a turn. I picked the Verso ending because Maelle was annoying.

Verso did absolutely nothing wrong. He was right to lie. If he told people that Renoir/The Curator was actually the one behind the gommage, then Alicia would have died.

>>713107743
>Even if you see the painted people as "real", they don't deserve to live if it tortures a child.
We are all living off of other people's suffering at this very moment. Centuries of such suffering, in fact.

>>713105097
You can fresh game into 100% in about 50 hours
Guy was jerking it for most of his play time

>>713109272
Paris didn't look real, because the developers of the game have limited models for it just for the sake of a prologue cutscene. That is my point. The argument in >>713107650 is invalid.

>>713108727
I used Gommage

>>713109374
Then kill yourself you fucking retard

>>713109523
I didn't, but I used End Slice on the third phase. Again, no regrets. Simon should even be thankful that I didn't cheese him and let him do his third phase for 10 minutes or whatever it was.

>>713104521 (OP)
For me it's an 8.5/10 but it suffers in the writing
It's also definitely a design flaw that you have to put your blinkers on and hold yourself back to not curbstomp the game. I'm all for expressive strategies and builds letting you stomp superbosses but you can even choose to shit all over Simon as early as level 90ish if you really want to. Build expression shouldn't turn into "willingly handicap yourself and not use everything you've found", there's a balance they didn't find

>>713104909
I shall defend Maelle and the actual future potential of compromise for the canvas to the end.

>>713109032
>You have the intact Eiffel tower, the family, the grave and the rest of Paris looks completely lifeless.
Because the dessendre estate is walled off and hedges are blocking the ground view, retard. Fuck, you're dumb. Please keep disagreeing with me, I'd feel bad if we saw common ground.

>>713109609
That's how a RPG should work.

I really hope they do some DLC ending and its just some GIMMICK WITHIN GIMMICK and if you choose Maelle ending IRL Verso dies 4real instead of it just being writer propaganda

>>713109621
>Potential of the canvas
What's south of Lumiere again?
None of the paintings are real Alicia is just killing herself being a depressed retard.

>>713109595
He should be thankful you put him out of his misery at all

>>713109609
Even fucking Black Souls 2, another game where the power scaling gets super fucky, takes more effort to break than E33's endgame where it's just "slap every damage picto onto your characters and watch endgame bosses get oneshotted".
I played with the 99,999/999,999 damage mods, and I still felt that the endgame was too easy.

>>713108570
Good post. Even painted Alicia fucking hates painted Verso in the end, she won't even look at him, she just wants to join her real family in death.

>>713109609
I like the combat and level of customization you have in making broken builds, but think the balance is super fucking wonky.

One random palette swap giant off the beaten path would instakill my team in one move, and then later I'd feel bad about killing Painted Renoir and ending one of the best boss music tracks in the game in like two rounds.

>>713109329
You can activate challenge modes from the flag if you want higher difficulty though?

>>713109609
I think the writing is pretty air tight aside from Goblu never being explained, but I agree that balancing is a huge problem. At some point, the game just stops being a challenge, and you don’t even need to get the Painted Pitco to reach that point. Just kill the chromatic enemies as they appear and you’ll be overlevelled for the entire game.

>>713109670
Yeah, sure, how convenient. And when you try leaving the mansion in between Act 2 and Act 3, Alicia just says "There's nothing for me there".
The point is you're being a dishonest faggot. You're using developer's lack of budget to your advantage but then refusing to acknowledge it when it's for the ending you already wanted to defend to begin with. No fucking shit the developers didn't spend 50 hours of work for 3 minutes in an epilogue cutscene.

>>713109742
>What's south of Lumiere again?
More Lumiere, once they have the chance to actually rebuild and make a future free of the Gommage.

>>713106686
>Whatever piece of the real verso remains there is being kept alive against its will just so Maelle can play the sims
The painted people are never treated as if they are not alive, not by anyone comparing them to the sims undermines your entire point.
You are killing living beings with a real soul face your crime.

>>713104521 (OP)
>What did I think of it?

It's unironically my favorite game of the past 10 years, it could even be my all time favorite, but it's new so that may be recency bias.

It's not perfect, but it's exactly what i like in my vidya.

>>713106737
Clearly the Verso fragment was tired because psycho Renoir was killing and destroying everything he had made. Once peace is restored he will be happy to paint again since it's a creative fragment of Versos soul that likes painting. Otherwise your argument is that every fragment in every painting everywhere is tortured because eventually it gets bored or something? That makes no sense at all and if that's the case every painter should be killed as fast as possible so they can't creat more tortured fragments.

>>713104521 (OP)
>Please tell me /v/ still cares about this game

I'll always care about Lune. We can exchange pictures if you'd like.

>>713110039
Yes you fucking idiot that's what I want
Because the retarded one-eyed depressed mute at least is real

>>713110194
Renoir was killing Aline's creations, not Verso's.
Play the game.

>>713109930
I mean if you're beating all the chromatic enemies as they come up without much issue really isn't much the game could do to be a real challenge.
But the turnbased games have never really been hard, just need to understand the mechanics. The fun becomes from breaking them open which this game lets you do in spades.

>>713108570
Ultra based post
Versofags will never recover

>>713107479
>>713107264
>>713106960
maelle fags producing some quality existenialist content.

>>713109840
i don't get people interpreting nonexistent seethe between palicia and verso. she had shown she was free to go up and meet with maelle whenever she wanted, but she still gave the letter to verso instead and started it off with "it's up to you." she was clearly not super committed to maelle getting it.
>>713109953
>how convenient
Or how consistent with reality? Wealthy households in cities always had some kind of barrier.
>50 hours
Nigger adding some color to fully modeled lumierens would've been MINUTES of work. If your entire argument is "this game that 100% relief on visual presentation and implied details cheaped out on a few seconds of the most important cutscene in the game" then I'm content to call you a retard and say good day. So, good day, retard. You may have the last word.

>>713110245
Renoir was destroying the entire world, breaking it apart.

>>713110224
>Yes you fucking idiot that's what I want
>Because the retarded one-eyed depressed mute at least is real
Ah now we come to it, you wish to be seen as a savior only when truly you are just a base murderer no better than an animal.

>>713109683
Look at SMT games if you want an example of that theory put into practice effectively
In Exped 33 it veers too far toward having to willingly abstain because what you can do is so disproportionate to the challenge in front of you
Simon is THE superboss and you can walk through him below max level phase skipping just by autorevive and break-on-deathing him, I'm speaking outside of my own perspective here because I'm an autist that's happy to abstain from that but I still think it's a broader design issue

>>713109930
>I think the writing is pretty air tight
In world setting and stuff yes but the characters are way too lenient and forgiving in some instances and it feels their resistance is almost token and would be better not even touched on
Maelle relationship level 7 cutscene in your path

>>713109840
She literally looks at him when Maelle kills her dude

How does pClea feel about pVerso?

>>713105804
>Metaphor status? Unfinished
>SMTVV status? Needed a rerelease to be good
>Yakuza status? Meme games

>>713110351
Go back to tumblr or kill yourself you insufferable faggot.

>>713110325
>Nigger adding some color to fully modeled lumierens would've been MINUTES of work
As if that would be enough for you. It'd still be like 6 different models of people, just how it was at the start of the game.

The journal entries, Lune's backstory, Sciel's backstory, Gustave's story that we were never fully privy to because Renoir killed him. You ignore all of that because the models at the end of the game are colorless. These are real people for all intents and purposes. I don't want them dead.

>>713110460
Same way as every other painting.
She even enslaves her painted self.

>>713110325
She won't even meet his eyes when he comes back with Maelle and throws the letter when he tries to give it back. Clearly she expected him to be better than he was. She's happy to see Maelle because she's actually a good person. Him being angry about not getting to say goodbye is also such hypocrisy, he tries to kill her through his actions earlier, it's easy when he doesn't have to live through her death or look her in the eyes I guess...

>>713110554
>Retards.jpg
Maybe try reading again

>>713107165
This. You're only killing off the Grandis, Gestrals, and your party members. Everyone else has already been fucked off.
We know that Maelle needed to think of the essence of Lune and Sciel to bring them back but what about the people of Lumiere she didn't know? She brought Pierre back but never met him, and there's no way she knew everyone in Lumiere well enough to bring them back. She just did the same thing Aline did and made her own creations.

I have still yet to see a convincing argument against Alicia just painting everyone back to life in a new canvas after Verso's ends.

>>713110471
>Go back to tumblr or kill yourself you insufferable faggot.
Reduced so easily to simple insults. No defense whatsoever for your choices because you knew giving a mentally ill compulsive liar what he wanted was certainly wrong so long as his friends lived. He lived lifetimes while they only get one, so selfish.

>>713110634
The game isn't particularly subtle about saying that Verso is a complex hypocrite. That's what makes his character compelling. This is the whole point of the mask motif. Even Renoir calls him out on it.

>>713110058
If anything, I might be affected by negative recency bias.
"Holy shit that book was good, easily in my top 5" -> becomes by all-time favourite novel after some reflection
"That game was amazing, maybe even top 10 material" -> becomes my top 3 vidya
Right now, E33 is easily in my top 10. I wonder how that'll change in the future.

>>713110691
None of the paintings are real you fucking retard, they don't matter
Killing them saves the one real person in the canvas that just spent 20 hours trying to kick out her own parents to stop them from dying.

>>713110663
>We know that Maelle needed to think of the essence of Lune and Sciel to bring them back but what about the people of Lumiere she didn't know? She brought Pierre back but never met him, and there's no way she knew everyone in Lumiere well enough to bring them back. She just did the same thing Aline did and made her own creations.
Finally, someone with a damn brain

>>713110672
Alright, so, the problem here is the unexplained mechanics.

I know for a fact that if Alicia lets the canvas be erased and then repaints all those people somewhere else, then they aren't the same conscience. In other words, she created clones of the others after she let them die. Gee, thanks! Imagine if someone came to you and went "Alright, dude, I'm gonna kill you, but don't worry, I'll make a perfect copy of you that gets to live in paradise". That sound good to you? Ever played SOMA, btw?

But that gets into an interesting question, which is... Is that what already happened in Act 3? Are the Lune and Sciel we play with in Act 3 the same Lune and Sciel we played with in Act 1 and 2? Or are they just clones at that point? Is Gustave the same Gustave he was in Act 1? I don't know the answer to that question. In theory, they shouldn't be able to be the same people. But practicality goes out the window when you consider that Aline was somehow able to create a Verso that has all of Verso's memories even if Aline wasn't there to see them. It just gets handwaved away with magic.

>>713110851
>None of the paintings are real you fucking retard, they don't matter
>Killing them saves the one real person in the canvas that just spent 20 hours trying to kick out her own parents to stop them from dying.
They are real, Renoir never treats even a single painted person as if they are not real. This is every indication that they are real people for he had every not to do so. He called them Alicia's friends, specifically.
They are every bit as real otherwise the choice is entirely meaningless.
Your conscience calls to you murderer.

>>713110751
Recency bias is definitely a thing, but I think the ultimate test as to whether something stands the test of time is to ask yourself this:

Would you replay it without hesitation?

If the answer is yes, then you probably consider it a personal GOAT, if not, then it might just be a good game that you’re happy to leave after 1 playthrough.

>>713110985
Yes they are real because she can recreate them using their essence/chroma in the canvas. In another canvas their chroma/essence doesn't exist and they would just be weird copies.

>>713110663
>>713110918
Going back to the unexplained mechanics, though, if Alicia is just painting what she thinks of Lune and Sciel, then how were they the exact same people with the exact same memories and backstories? Verso interacts with them. He can also interact with them and have them go from Level 1 relationship to Level 7 relationship in Act 3.

So it kind of feels like they are still the same person, and it just gets handwaved away with magic. Basically, Renoir wasn't able to fully erase them yet and Maelle can bring them back from a thread.

>>713111139
And where is the evidence that she cannot just take the Chroma from Verso's canvas and put it in her own?

>>713111227
I imagine you can't take it with you out of the painting, sounds reasonable to me. If it was possible the game would let you know and none of this would matter, she would be fine with deleting the canvas because she would just recreate it herself later..

>>713111227
Honestly, it just makes the story less interesting and the conflict nonsensical if she can do that.

Think back on Noco's death and revival. It's not really the same person. It lost tons of memories. I assume it'd be the same if Alicia just painted all the people again in another place. They'd be clones, not the same. This is kind of just headcanon, I admit, but it's what makes sense to me.

>>713106950
>>713107247
lol

>>713111338
You're forgetting that her major concern is that erasing the canvas lets Verso's soul fragment finally pass on.
That's why she's so upset about it all.

>>713111490
No it isn't, she's fighting to keep the people and creatures in the canvas alive. In Versos ending she sees all of them wave her off and looks depressed, because she will never see them again.

>>713111490
That is one of her major concerns, but she literally says "You can't make this choice for Lune and Sciel" at the end. Sure, maybe she was lying. I dunno.

Anyone feel like this game is probably going to be remembered as one of the all time greats?

Having beaten the game, I wouldn’t even consider it a personal favourite, by I definitely see the appeal and I could see it being talked about in the same breath as Ocarina of Time or Metal Gear Solid in terms of being “a game widely considered to be a masterpiece”.

>>713104521 (OP)
Isnt expedition 33 just gothic Mario RPG?

>>713111621
Absolutely.

>>713111621
This game shits all over Ocarina of Time, in my opinion.
If it were a Final Fantasy game, it'd be just short of my top 5. I'd have it above 6.
Game's great.

Problem with the game is that they ran out of budget by Act 3. It's obvious.
The game would be twice as good if Act 3 got the same amount of effort as the first two acts.
As it stands, it's still a 10/10.

>>713111082
I wanted to wait to start NG+ to avoid burnout, but i ended up doing it straight away anyways.

NG+ hits different when you know where the story leads. The writers did an amazing job

>>713111621
Won't even win any awards this year and will completely job to GODjima.

>>713107650
>deranged cope lmao the same thing was happening to her as aline, it's not even up for debate
But Aline spent over a hundred years to get as bad as she got.

>>713111693
They know about timed hit...

>>713111621
I don't really care what other people think. To me it's the best game I've ever played.

>>713111863
Verso sucking up to the party, being all charming and "caring" while his goal is to kill them all. That was tough in NG+.

>>713111814
Act 3 reminds me of the World of Ruin from FF6 where you’re given the option to just go straight to the final boss if you want, but you also have the option to do a bunch of side content beforehand.

>>713111915
>check the replies
>the book is for 8 year olds

>>713107059
After any possible DLC, I'm more hoping we move to a new family or something. Not necessarily painters, but writers or another medium.

>>713111621
I think it will. I was optimistic about it while still cautious, in the end I'm still thinking about the game.

>>713112271
Even fucking worse
Kids arent retarded. They deserve quality content.

I'm late to the party but pretty much all I have left now is Simon.
What is the best way to grind to max level so I can finally beat this fucker?

>>713111863
Games where a replay completely changes how you look at the story, and you see just how much detail and foreshadowing the writer put in, are my favourite. Nier Gestalt, LobCorp/Ruina, Black Souls...
I really should get around to reading BotNS, that sounds like just my kind of thing.

>>713105396
i think it's my favorite vidya track ever

>>713107650
>the crowd of unmoving unpainted white colored people
Deranged cope

>>713112271
So is Alice in Wonderland.

>>713104521 (OP)
You thought it was 9/10, but your hand hurts and you hope rythem game RPGs don't catch on. At least not like the final 3rd.

>>713112472
Kino

>>713109240
Renoir says that he created hundreds of worlds. They're probably all erased by now. We saw what the suffering in a single world looked like. The writers WERE right.

>>713112331
wait until you see its goodread score
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201969078-burning-ivy

I'm surprised by the amount of people who goes ''they're not real so who cares'' and disregard the entire plot, holy shit what a brainlet take

>>713107264
High IQ meme

>>713108672
Did he really say that? I respect writers less when they say shit like this. Death of the author, bitch.

>>713112827
NOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT IT'S MY VISION YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MY STORY THE WAY I WANT YOU TO

>>713112598
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15997.Paradise_Lost
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43913694-macbeth
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/153747.Moby_Dick_or_the_Whale
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/338798.Ulysses
HACKton? Mogged.
SHITspeare? Shanked.
MYAWNville? Mangled.
FARToyce? A joke.

>>713111361
Its pretty much the gimmick, only reason the girls are fresh is because she had access to the chroma of them dissipating

I don't care about Lune.

>>713112827
He's a nepobaby

>>713104521 (OP)
I'm convinced people who picked the Maelle ending are psychopaths, it's just pure evil

>>713113084
>>713112598
Too late to give up?

>>713113274
Let me put it his way.

If Alicia can't actually bring back Gustave and all the previous expeditioners back and she's just making clones of them, then yeah, maybe Verso is right.

If we can handwave it away and Maelle can literally just revive them. Then I still stand by choosing Maelle.

>>713113084
jesus wept

>>713107906
NTR'ing her husband even after they get back together is part of the fun though

>>713113523
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1923820.The_Holy_Bible
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42844155-harry-potter-and-the-philosopher-s-stone

>>713104521 (OP)
It's good

>>713104521 (OP)
i thought this game was gonna be frenchmen cringe, was not expecting it to be the best game i've ever played

You know what I loved? The music changing as you climbed The Reacher.
This part here in particular stuck with me.
https://youtu.be/HcWZQKuERKo?t=84

>>713113503
Why can't Maelle make infinite Lunes, one for each men and women to please themselves with?

>>713113819
The best game you've ever played is a 7/10 Unreal slop asset flip?

Oh my darling, we have precious little time together.
You'll never know us, but I want you to know that you are loved.
I want you to know, you are not alone.
You will always be the beautiful child I held in my arms.
You will smile the brightest smile.
You will cry iridescent tears.
You will know love,
And you will know pain.
You will know loss all too well.
Because we live in an unforgiving world.
But you are strong, and you will survive.
You will struggle.
And you will learn.
You'll find people to call your own.
And you'll shine as their guiding light.
For you will change the world and the people around you.
You'll forever be our angel.
I have decided on a name.
And his name will be...
Sephiroth.

>>713113907
>t.

>>713105396
nothing beats Alicia for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakOBIoyoik

and honorable mention for this track as well that a fraction of is played like once in the entire game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVZiVzv3Tw

>>713109240
Weird take. Verso is depressed, our society also "forces" depressed people to stay alive, it's not evil it's just helping people with mental illness.

Nothing evil with creating life, are you anti-natalist or something?

>>713113960
Jokes aside, this speech from Maelle’s mother is one of the best parts of the game, and ranks as one of the best pieces of writing I’ve seen in vidya.

I really hope Jennifer Yen gets to write more games.

Gustave would pick Verso

>>713108570
has this ever been deboonked?

>>713114471
Anon, I don't consider myself an anti-natalist, but I think it's odd when there's people that go out of their way to do everything in their power to stop abortions from happening and then barely pay even the tiniest of lip service on the conditions of newborns and kids. Why is the act of creating life more important than the act of maintaining it?

I felt the same way about Lune's revelation that Maelle was gonna create a painting within a painting. Maelle spent 16 years inside this world. She saw for herself how real it was and how these people had hardship together. Maybe she should think twice before she creates thousands more lives.

Parents have a responsibility. Painters even more so.

>>713114573
Gustave would have fucking speared him and pissed on his grave for being a lying snake. Gustav is a good guy, Verso is scum who let Gustave be murdered so he could kill all his friends.

>>713106056
there is no one else inside the world
that's exactly what Maelle's ending shows you, she's in control, that's not living with them, that's playing with toys

>>713114573
If he did, it'd be exclusively for Maelle's sake. Like when he went "Fuck the mission, I just care about Maelle" before Lune set him straight.
Gustave wouldn't be for mass life erasure otherwise.

>>713114379
The soundtrack in general is a fucking mess. Like, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeFkb3LsmlQ, was just sitting on Lorien's hard drive and he never planned to release it until Guillaume heard it and ordered him to. Same with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGya_P6wa1o.
And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMIr6KI0Xc is not even a part of the official soundtrack, they only released it as a bonus track.

>>713114758
Gustave would have killed both Verso and Renoir, but he would have convinced Maelle to leave or at least negotiated a shared custody situation with Renoir.

>>713114781
Verso talked with Luna and Sciel in Act 3. You can have the relationship there go from Level 1 to Level 7. They did not feel like toys.

>>713114752
I think a painter has less reponsibility than a parent. They just need to create a world where people can live, where parents can be parents etc. They can skip things like cancer as well and create better worlds than the one we live in.

>>713114885
>alicia
>standing with verso being killed
Absolute retard who thinks she cares about Gustave and Lumiere more than she cares about Verso

>>713112751
Its a matter of perspective. People go that route because the second the player sees outside the canvas where true reality exist why would the canvas matter? The actual family is going through some stupid therapy bullshit while the writers apparently get to do whatever the fuck they want while Clea bares the burden. They need to man the fuck up and go back to work.
Personally I think both current solutions are absolutely ass and Lune is 100% right on calling out Verso for not even TRYING to figure out a solution with the team. Just his way or the highway or worse Alica just overpowers everyone and dies a slow pathetic death playing make believe with what are essentially AI chat bots since its just her chroma keeping everything going. Shes powerful but the Canvas wasn't built up by one person alone. It does not help that she would likely turn into another aline and just stagnate to the point where she would be unable to sustain it.
>>713113503
Thats the fun of it we don't really know, I don't think she could do it and restore him to "full" on her own. If the whole family banded together and stop being idiots they could focus on creation over the whole chroma stalling thing that goes on in the game would be able to do it. But some things could never be fully restored, especially since Maelle succ'd up half the map on the build up to act 3 finale. Which kind of plays into the whole for those that come thing.
I'm rambling like a total retard, but yeah Gustav would have figured out a way to make this work, everything bad that happens in this world is pVerso's vault.

>>713114885
Alicia would have eventually been fine leaving the canvas for times to be with her family I think. The reason she can never leave as it is is because Renoir would instantly destroy it, leaving no room for healing in their family or trust to grow.

>>713104521 (OP)
>Renoir is a time travelling Gustave
>The monsters are reincarnations of the Lumiere folk
>Act 3 was going to be Sophie because GustaVE-VErSO-SOphie
Did you have any stupid theories while playing the game?

>>713108325
>first try
>Maelle, Verso, Lune
>S rank weapon on Verso
>2 shots + Follow Up cuts 75% of his health
>can't parry 2nd phase attacks well enough, go fuck around a bit
>do Maelle's quests, get her 3rd Gradient Attack
>80% of his phase 2 hp gone with it
bruh

>>713114913
Speaking of the relationships, I do wonder why they bothered including Sciel and Lune romances when neither of them go anywhere or affect the story. Although that said, I do appreciate that in Verso’s ending Sciel and Lune’s body language as they gommage is enough to imply love, friendship and betrayal all at once, so you can interpret their body language however you like.

>>713114573
Undeniably true.

>>713107984
Tons of unique characters filled with color in the opening of the game that could've easily been re-used if needed, but they didn't use them...
That's a real head scratcher. Or it's that Alicia is a shitty paintress not nearly on Aline's level.
You meet what, eight un-painted Nevrons if memory serves, and what do they have to say?
The people in Alicia's ending are exactly the same as the un-painted Nevrons.
The game suggested that a person's chroma was unique. Where did Alicia find Pierre's chroma? How did she remake him?

>>713115089
>The reason she can never leave as it is is because Renoir would instantly destroy it
She says that but I don't buy it. Renoir was fully understanding by the end. Just say "I'll kill myself if you erase the canvas". How hard can it be?

>>713114573
They have something in common

>>713115098
I thought the Nevrons were the souls of people who gommaged. That’s the only way the Goblu cutscenes make any sense.

>>713115271
Man, Gustave's mocap actor is a real G.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnWiaLz4ss

>>713113907
Holy fuck first time I ever heard someone call elden slop that

>>713115098
Oh I was convinced Renoir and Gustav were the same person too.

>>713115098
>Gustave isn't actually dead
I guess this ended up being true in a way, but I thought it was a fake out
>There's some sort of reincarnation stuff happening here, that's what this Gestalt stuff is leading to. Humans are reincarnating too. That's why Maelle is being blamed by Renoir and Alicia for shit despite the fact she's 16 years old.
Predicted a way simpler version of the doppleganger painting mindfuck it ended up being.

>>713115357
Oh yeah, >>713115513 here. I forgot cause it was a million years ago, but I thought this too. I thought Goblu was Sophie.

>>713111863
When you're playing NG+ and enter Stone Wave Cliffs, knowing what's about to happen..and you hear the first 20 seconds of this song. Really makes it obvious something foul is about to happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRz0vPrV59k

>>713115263
I don't think it's in her character to threaten with suicide, that sounds more like something the lying coward Verso would do to manipulate someone.

OP here, >>713115098 reminded me of something.

Can someone explain to me what the "150" meant? I could swear that in one of Maelle's early visions, you could see the Paintress's number thing and there was a "150" there. Did I make that up? I thought that was the twist and why it was called Expedition 0 instead of Expedition 150. Because it started in 150 instead of 100.

>>713115098
>The monsters are reincarnations of the Lumiere folk
I thought this too, because of the fucking Goblu scene. What was all that about in the end? Scrapped plot point?

>>713115501
>>713115501
I immediately called that Renoir was The Paintress’ husband from the moment I saw him, although I never expected the Curator to be the real Renoir. I thought he was the family butler or something until the reveal.

>>713115098
Before the game came out I thought that Gustave, Verso, and Renoir are all the same person but different timelines. One embarking on the expedition, one whose entire expedition was wiped out, and one who sided with the paintress

>>713109032
Why didn't they reuse all the background models that they already made from the opening? Are you telling me they couldn't be bothered and made a bunch of copy paste monochromatic characters instead? That is lunacy. They are unfinished because Alicia didn't know them. She is just as bad as Aline. Possibly worse.

>>713116042
All french men look the same

>>713115935
I assumed its was just a poorly written "100"

>>713113410
thats sad

>beat enemies/boss
>post-fight results plays a calmer version of the theme
God I wish more games did this

>>713116153
That’s definitely 100. The first 0 is just partially covered by the smoke.

>>713116092
Alright, you know what? I concede. I did not realize that the models were different from the beginning of Act 1. I figured Maelle would just be able to revive people instead of making shittier clones of them. Perhaps part of this was seen from a mechanics lense. One of Maelle's gradient skills is that she revives people. I used that skill a lot.

>>713116153
>>713116328
That does not look like 100 to me. Could it be another dropped plot point like the Goblu stuff?

>>713116419
its an obvious 100 you absolute retard

>>713104909
I picked Maella because I assume that eventually Renoir will get pissed and drag her beautiful pale ass out of the canvas.

>>713116461
It's definitely not just smoke blocking it because the angle keeps changing and the number stays the exact same. Maybe it's not a 150, but this is clearly not a 100 either.

>>713116527
But then that's just Verso's ending with extra steps

>>713104909
>I picked Maelle
I fucking kneel. Keep going young king!

>>713116570
I'm more intrigued with the cake that keeps popping up everywhere

>>713110194
Verso's creations are the Gestrals, Grandis, and Esquie. Renoir was gommaging Aline's creations. The people of Lumiere.

>>713116779
Why was Renoir gommaging everything one year at a time?

>>713107904
How tf is that limitations of budget when they had a couple million dollars to produce this game, are you dumb? This game is AA not a roguelite 8 bit pixel shit

>>713116862
Aline was stopping him from just doing it all at once.
The number was a countdown until she couldn't stop it.

>>713105804
Literally seething tears LMAO

>realising the singing in sirène is actually coming from the middle of the map

>>713116862
He was constantly trying to destroy everything, but Aline was preventing it. As he grew stronger and she became weaker, she could only protect the new creations.

>>713116862
Speaking of that, am I right in assuming that there is time dilation happening?

Like, Alicia didn't spend literally 16 years inside the canvas, right? Aline and Renoir haven't been 66 years inside the painting fighting each other. Surely there's some time dilation going on here. Something like a day or a week = a year in the painting.

>>713116779
He is destroying the world though, and Cleas creations are killing Versos creations and she's on Renoirs side.

>>713116570
you guys can just message the writer on instagram you know

>>713117004
>killing Versos creations
Many are hers too, she says as much.

>>713110346
The fracture was because of Aline and Renoir's clashing. Neither one was trying to erase Verso's creations, but one of them was actively perverting it by adding her coping humans. Renoir's only perversion of the canvas was the fracture. He actually feels more sympathy towards the painted people than their creator.

>>713117004
And soul Verso literally says that what Renoir is doing needs to be done.

>>713117001
When you're in their manor it's still being repaired after the fire, and by then they've been in the canvas for 100+ years(since that's how old Verso is and Aline made him). So yeah definitely time passes crazy fast in the canvas compared to outside.

>>713117063
You mean painted Verso? He's not Versos soul, he's Alines version of Verso who has been mindbroken by Renoirs destruction. He seems to have fond memories of his time before Renoir started the killings.

tfw everyone is raving about Une vie à t’aimer, while that's one of my least favorite songs on the entire soundtrack.

>>713117296
No dude, during the last section of the game while you're making your way to final Renoir soul Verso pops up and tells you.

>>713117059
Renoir is trying to destroy the entire canvas.

>>713116721
Was probably a birthday cake Verso or Alicia had at some point and the melting of the Eiffel Tower candle is probably where Verso got the idea for the tilted tower in Lumiere.

>>713107743
Check out Those who walked away from Omelas. It's a 2-page story about the price of peace.

>Maelle defenders

>>713117315
I like the Phase 1 version. The Act 2 version kind of hit me hard at the start but I don't like relistening it.

I didn't finish the game yet. Did all the post game stuff and lost interest. The gameplay becomes so stupidly broken it stops being fun.

I picked Maelle because Verso deserves to suffer for allowing Gustave to die.
If Gustave was alive a compromise could've been reached.

>>713117315
Bombastic, epic tracks are always going to be popular. Personally, I feel as though Alicia and Lumiere are the two best songs by a landslide. The Flying Waters themes being close seconds.

>>713116981
>>713116913
Oh, so the painted number on the Monolith was literally a countdown to Doomsday. Thanks!

>>713106737
>the little boy Verso
Not real. Don't care. It's like caring about how your CPU feels. You don't.

>>713110672
She could, but Alicia's point is just like her mom's. She only wants to be in VERSO'S canvas, because it contains his soul. What pVerso and the Real life Verso wanted for Alicia was the same. To live her life. He would save her 1000 times out of 1000 and she can't do it even once for him. If Gustave were alive he would have kicked Maelle's ass out of the canvas so fast...

>Are you sure you want to enter the workshop
>Are you really sure
>Are you REALLY REALLY SURE you want to open that door bro
>Proceed to let her have three turns, including a Bourgeon turn eating Monoco
>Lucky crit/roulette deals 8 millions
>AltF4 on the victory screen just to x5 her health or limit to 999 999 and fight her again
I want to bash my head against walls learning patterns again, not see how hard I can erase her from this reality.

I wish we would have heard just a little bit more about this war between the Painters and Writers. I could see a sequel to this taking place in a novel too.

>>713117524
>I picked Maelle because Verso deserves to suffer
It's funny how Versofags can't comprehend someone could not give a single fuck about the shitty Dessendre family.

>>713105097
Unless your build is shit, playing blind I'd be surprised if it took more than 40 hours to 100% the entire game.

>>713106819
Now go play on expert you fairy

>>713117534
Monoco's theme is great.
The hidden gem is the gestral merchant figt theme. It has a SICK guitar riff in the middle fr no reason since you kill those fuckers in 20 seconds.

Is Esquie talking about the real Verso here, the painted Verso or both?

>>713117895
D-Do you realize how much content is outside of the main story? Even if you one shot everything, it's still a couple dozen hours.

My perspective is the painted people stopped being real when they got remade. Similar to how you can bring noco back but it's not the same noco.

>>713104521 (OP)
I just finished it for the first time last night and I was shocked something of this quality can still be made in 2025 I haven't been hooked on a game like this in years

>>713117315
It's a great boss theme. Specially how it works in the game for the transition into the boss fight and the scripted events.

>>713104521 (OP)
>117
Wtf is this with NG+? I'm like 45 hours in and have almost all the side content done.

>>713110851
Renoir disagrees and he's trying to kill them all.
He accepts that his actions are not right, he simply prioritizes his family. You are choosing to do the same if you pick Verso.
I've noticed many people who side with Verso refuse to accept what they are actually doing.
I still picked Verso because a living painter can go on to create many worlds instead of dying in just one.

>>713117650
Versos ending makes 0 sense with your interpretation though. She's watching her canvas friends wave her goodbye, not crying over versos soul fragment.

>>713117961
Run past enemies that you can. At some point you really don't get that much power from a level up, so why even do fights you can avoid.

>>713108570
LMFAO I LOVE THIS PASTA HAHAHAA

>>713117968
The thing that confused me about that, though, and the reason why I didn't catch on to that, is that Lune and Sciel look completely real and there's no difference between them from Act 2 to 3.

And it's crazy to begin with that Aline was able to seemingly completely replicate Verso, down to all his memories that she had no way of knowing, and his full character, virtues and flaws. It's so arbitrary that it's hard to settle on what the painters can and can't do. Which is why I figured Maelle was just able to revive people. But the white clothed models does lead a lot of credence to what you're saying.

>>713117968
>Similar to how you can bring noco back but it's not the same noco.

That's fair, but bringing back gestrals vs the people is completely different. It's one of the very few thigns things that have been confirmed by the devs.

>>713111584
She literally tells us that she wants to live in a world where she gets to be with her brother, while he begs for her to release him. She absolutely cares for the others, but the real reason she's there is for Verso. Again, just like Aline using Verso's canvas as her therapy dog. He wanted her to leave and experience life and then make her OWN worlds. She only wanted the one that had a piece of his soul trapped in it.
>>713111887
We don't know how long it's been in Alicia's ending. It could be almost as long.

>>713117823
Weird how Clea gets this upfront warning, but not Simon, who’s way harder.

>>713104909
>I picked Maelle
Bump-limit certified thread.

>>713115098
I had something like >>713116042 and I thought that what happened when the counter reached zero, it went into a loop.
Renoir was just exploiting the loop to live with his 'family'. And since Alice was clearly Maelle, they were just that.
And Verso looked a lot like Gustave to me when he got introduced.

Clea was basically irrelevant

>>713117968
The gestrals have their own thing going with their life stream. Maelle using her powers to bring them back is different. They have all their memories and act just like they did before, Noco doesn't.

>>713118220
Sciel and Lune are exactly the same. It's ONLY gestrals that get born with no memories, etc.

>>713107078
Lune and Sciel weren't
And Lune's life alone is worth more than Verso's

>>713109962
What happens when Alicia dies and Renoir just fucking torches the Canvas?

>>713118220
>And it's crazy to begin with that Aline was able to seemingly completely replicate Verso, down to all his memories that she had no way of knowing, and his full character, virtues and flaws. It's so arbitrary that it's hard to settle on what the painters can and can't do.
Aline could replicate Verso only in his canvas due to the soul fragment in there. Plus her own skill. The others were different.
And Alice/Maelle could bring people back in the canvas because their chroma was still there.

>>713118398
Alicia and Maelle being the same person was so obvious that I don’t know how anyone could consider it a twist. The moment I saw Alicia, I knew.

>>713104521 (OP)
You thought the game was a piece of shit for using the
>it was all a le dream
trope to the point that absolutely nothing you did matters

>>713107262
>presumably her parents are around too
Everyone killed by a Nevron gets chroma-AIDS and can't be brought back.

>>713118256
Painted Verso is NOT versos soul piece. She does want to live with him, he's her friend(He does not deserve her as his friend though).

>>713118425
Clea was so strong that if she wanted she could have helped to drag Aline out, but decided that she needed to go fight imaginary wars as her own way of coping while shitting on her parents for finding their own petty coping mechanisms.

>>713118526
You're brown.

>>713118440
Ok, but then why was Maelle not able to recreate every single person that has ever lived in Lumiere with 100% accuracy, from Julie to the apprentices? She couldn't even get their outfits right. Yet she was somehow able to fully recreate Lune and Sciel's personality and memories that she couldn't possibly be omniscient about? It's so arbitrary kek. Woooow dude, how was I supposed to know that's how it worked?

>>713117823
>>713118276
Wait you're telling me there's a Clea boss? I cleared the boss gauntlet in the manor and instantly did a 360 and walked away.

>>713118240
>. It's one of the very few thigns things that have been confirmed by the devs.
Unless its in game, its about as useful as JK Rowling's post-HP additions like teleporting poop away.

Sciel and Lune have their memories cause its extremely necessary for gameplay purposes and the end of relationships.
>>713118651
Yeah, and without meeting Pierre she brought him back too. Sciel's description must be super perfect

>>713108876
>Painted Renoir kills everyone on sight. Couldn't he just explain shit instead of instantly murking them?
Doesn't Verso's journal after he killed his girlfriend imply he tried? They were being too shady about the whole thing though which fucked that up.

>>713118501
Ok, then why was Maelle able to replicate Lune and Sciel 100% from Act 2 to 3? But she's not able to replicate the rest of Lumiere as per >>713118651?

>>713118710
It's one of the many optional things that feels like it should've been mandatory.

>>713118651
She can bring them all back in the end when she has control of all the chroma, that's literally her ending? She can't do it earlier because she's not in control of all of it.

>>713118710
A Painted Clea fight in the Flying Manor, it kinda sucks cause its just her summoning nevron attacks

>>713118710
Yes. Did you not speak to the boy who literally tells you “if you kill all the bosses, this door will open”?

>>713118651
She did that in her ending though?

>>713108570
Nothing of that shit is real anyways, who cares? A fucking delusional child? Wow.

>>713118710
It's a pretty fun boss fight. I did it after beating Simon, so it was easy peasy.

>>713118747
No, it says the opposite. They refused to explain everything at all and they were afraid that those people might have been altered by Clea. Which is a bit silly cause Simon and Nu-Clea are both very fucking obvious in how they were altered, but whatever.

>>713118830
You are literally an NPC.

>>713118805
I talked to her and she told me to clear the tower and that took so long that by the time I did it I forgot this location had anything in it except the boss gauntlet.

>>713118773
There’s bigger fish to fry at that point in the story. The Neveons are actually helping keep the gommage at bay, so if anything, killing Painted Clea is actually putting you at a disadvantage.

>new game plus
>welp I don't want to one shot bosses again
>give them x20 hp
>still one shot them
goddamit

>>713118883
But Alicia is the one coping in a fairy world, not me.

>>713118620
>t. fake ass nigga

>>713118954
wtf are you wearing?

>>713108876
>>713118879
Painted Renoir is just accurate to the source. He cares about his family but is frankly terrible at making good decisions.

>>713118791
>>713118812
Right. I just finished the game so I'm catching up, but I think these posts have some validity to them: >>713107650 >>713110325

Why did they look like this? To me, the implication is that Maelle didn't revive these people, but rather made shittier copies of them. Again, it just seems to be really arbitrary what she can and can't do. I WANT to believe that Maelle just straight up revived everyone. That way, I feel good about picking her ending.

>>713119002
>>713119019
>t. hylics

>>713118910
It's not the same place! The Eternal Tower =/= the Flying Manor

>>713118954
>400+ burn stacks

How the fuck?

>>713114573
Gustave is just Verso's positive traits minus his darkness. Of course he would side with Verso. When Gustave thought that Maelle was dead his near immediate action was attempting suicide. I guess he has some of Verso's other qualities as well.

>>713119097
>Just inject whatever the cube slop gives you bro

>>713118954
She's only 16!

>>713118910
The Eternal Tower's final boss is Renoir + Aline. The Flying Manor's final boss is Clea.

The Flying Manor is a much better area than the tower, by the way, which is literally unfinished and seems like it has space for DLC stuff.

>>713116721
hmm...

If I'm ever memed into playing a "it was all in your head" type of game again the consequences will never be the same.

>>713119145
double burn + double burn on break

>>713119067
Lune and sciel seemed pretty chill in the ending, if everyone else (including Sciels husband) was a mineless zombie, i would expect Sciel and Lune to not be acting normal...

>>713119245
Out of 10.

Also, she’s legal in France. I’m convinced the only reason they don’t give you a romance option with her is because she’s your sister.

>>713119254
Oh, how I wish for a boss gauntlet in the Tower. From Goblu to the Curator, all in a row.Or a full-chromatic gauntlet.

>>713119356
That's not what this is, though. The Painters are gods. They make their own worlds. You are inside one such world. And you can't get out. Only Maelle can. This is your only form of existence.

>>713119067
Honestly the "NPC's" Looking a bit samey might be some clue to her not being as skilled as her mother and they're "lesser". But then when you see Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Pierre, the boy, they all look fine and happy? Wouldn't Lune and Sciel be horrified if they were all some weird puppets?

>>713119356
It isn't though.

>>713119171
>>713114573
Gustave would've convinced her to leave and visit on occasion. She would've listened, because she actually trusts Gustave.

>>713119396
So then what does the people being colorless mean?

>>713119280
Erm...

>>713119067
Maelle can't revive anyone. Shes a god but she's not "God."
She paints new people. The better she knew the people the more accurately she can make these new versions.
She doesn't magically know everyone in Lumiere, their past exeperiences, etc.
>>713119396
>>713119445
>Sciel looked happy
confirmed for autism. rewatch maelle's ending.

>>713119021
huh, what are you talking about?

>>713119512
She trusts Verso too. Her love for them is about equal.

>>713119435
>>713119469
It's literally exactly that no matter how you dress this up. The real world is the one where the Dessandre live and the entire game takes place in a shitty OC world where anything goes because it's fake and nothing matters.

>>713119067
Here's a simpler explanation: they took shortcuts in development and just re-used assets.

How does morality even work when you can create realities?

If you paint a sci-fi planet and then immedietly burn the canvas are you the worlds worst mass-murderer?

The real world is the one where the gods live and the entire book takes place in a shitty OC world where anything goes because it's fake and nothing matters.

>>713119518
Only in the first second people seem colorless, as the camera passes over everyone the color appears, probably just artistic flair?

>>713119529
>confirmed for autism. rewatch maelle's ending.
She only becomes sad when Verso doesn't play a tune.

>>713119529
She's smirking and looking happy to me. Lune looks happiest of them all though. Gustave also looks happy, it's a nice ending, sure he performance is depressing because Verso is a depressing dude, what can you do.

>>713119636
>shitty OC world
Why would you spend dozens of hours playing a game with a shitty OC world?
Fucking retard.

>>713110490
>just how it was at the start of the game.
Ah, so they had the ability to easily make multiple colors but chose not to? We agree

>>713119636
Just admit that you can't picture the apple.

>>713119529
I don't know, man. Their facial expressions look odd but not any more odd than anywhere else in the game. It's hard for me to read this as them thinking they are among puppets/zombies.

>>713119745
I imagine it’s the same as creating a work of fiction, since that’s what the game compares it to. The characters and world are real to you, but ultimately, you have absolute authority over them as their creator.

>>713108325
I skipped a bunch of turns to see his attacks and I honestly thought they were underwhelming compared to Renoir 2 and Paintress. Only a couple of his moves made me go WTF with the timings or spectacle and it didn't feel like there was much variety.

>>713119854
does her husband know the guy playing the piano fucked her like 3 times?

>>713119683
Right, anon, that's what I thought too, until someone in this thread rightfully pointed out that in the Prologue, these people are all well colored. What's the point of making them colorless in the Epilogue alone?

>>713119851
Alright, I'll try rewatching the scene again.

>>713119067
It was an intentional choice to make them all white (and standing in a queue that isn't progressing despite there being tons of open seats inside, and dressed differently than the more formal looking but still all white NPCs sitting motionless in opera house, like it's a different scene that Alicia painted). It's meant to make you wonder: "Are they real? Or can Alicia not really bring them back?" It doesn't tell you outright, but it IS intended to make you go "hmm." It's for you to interpret. People saying "they ran out of resources, it's an accident" just want Maelle's ending to be happy and are hard coping. Neither ending is happy and they're all packed with details that are there for the explicit purpose of being interpreted by the player.

>>713120050
They’re French. Cuckoldry is just a normal part of French culture.

>>713119745
If you can't handle the responsibilities that come with creating life then don't do so.

>>713120050
They're french, they think it's fine to be unfaithful. To be fair though she thought he was dead, I think it's excusable to move on when your partner is dead.

>>713119851
>she only becomes sad when she sees verso's suffering
Correct.
Notice how the other two retards who replied intentionally pretended not to know which scene was being discussed? The very last frame you see where sciel's about to bawl her eyes out?
They're retarded.

>>713118954
God that's a good outfit. Thank you Sandfall for creating Maelle.

>>713119885
Because I was baited into it? Nowhere does it say on the steam page that you'd be playing with fake people inside some shitty painting made by a schizo woman.

>>713109821
You know you don't HAVE to meta game?

>>713120161
Sounds like your lack of understanding is filtering you.

>>713109821
Good lord you fucking nerds sure do love to shit things up by looking up builds instead of just figuring shit out yourselves. This game was pretty well balanced and even difficult at some points if you just got the fuck off of leddit or whatever bullshit you decided to research.

>>713120161

>>713111584
>No it isn't, she's fighting to keep the people and creatures in the canvas alive.
Nah, she's saying that because Alicia thinks it's something Maelle would have said, but Alicia doesn't even understand who Maelle was. Maelle didn't care about Lumiere and went on a suicide mission to leave it behind because it didn't feel like home. She cared about Gustave and his sister, and to some extent about his apprentices. That's it. She shows her true colors when Verso's fading. Like Aline, this canvas matters because she wants to stay and delude herself that Verso isn't dead. If she just cared about the canvas staying alive, she could've proven she could be trusted with it by leaving with Renoir.

>>713120173
You don’t have to min/max to become OP. That’s the problem.

Just doing the side content is enough to make you broken.

>>713119067
>Why did they look like this?
literally could be
>ahh, pierre ah fhauck I'm so le hungover today
>why don't you do the ending cutscene
>yeah yeah the shitty one
>ah fhauck I dunno, just copy paste ze npc civilians, give zem all ze fanny french hat
>who cares fhak zis game won't even make one million copiez

>>713120173
very obviously NTA but I found great enjoyment in
>find out I'm god
>powerlevel inflates to ridiculous levels
>destroy all the lesser beings with ease
glad they added settings for people who don't like that though.

>>713120240
What lack of understanding nigga the world is literally fake and no amounf of picturing apples or imagining your day without breakfast is gonna change that fact.

>>713120102
It makes me wonder, so good job, but it feels like a complexity they're adding that only makes things even more fuzzy than they already were before. Why is Maelle able to bring Pierre back to Sciels's satisfaction but not everyone else? It kind of feels like they want their cake and to eat it too. So that's why I kind of handwave that part of the ending away.

>>713120291
The only build I picked up was the Elemental Genesis build from the /v/ threads, and it wasn't even my strongest build. Everything else I figured out on my own, and it was still too easy.

>>713120352
But enough about your identity crisis.

>>713120346
>lesser beings
Like Renoir?

>>713105906
Friendly reminder, to anyone wanting to buy the OST: Buy it on bandcamp, not through Steam. It's like half the price for the same tracks and more format options, plus more of the money goes to the artists than the cut Steam takes.

>>713120125
I agree the Verso's suffering made her sad, but people were saying that everyone that Alicia brought back were zombies, and Sciel did not seem sad prior to seeing Verso.

>>713106637
I'm still coping that she wasn't shown starting to gommage, meaning she died off camera, meaning she isn't dead by movie logic.

>>713112827
Yes he did but that image gets posted out of context because it always makes aliciafags seethe. It was a response to the question: Why didn't lune and sciel grill verso harder in camp? The answer just means that Verso was always going to dance around with his answers, which is what we saw him do. He's good at disarming them with his replies. The image alone makes aliciafags shit themselves with blind rage, as seen by the other replies to your post and your own "death of the author" crying.

>>713107743
The
>we need to stop soul fragment verso from painting because it's LITERALLY TORTURING a child
is just goalpost moving because everyone realized that repeated thought terminating cliches about "moving on from grief" and "OMG PAINTING = HEROIN" don't hold up to scrutiny or introspection, they're just repeating morals that they've had drilled into their head since they were kids

>>713120317
She is planning to be able to leave and return when she wants until Renoir literally says he's going to destroy it. When she tells him he doesn't need to he disagrees and says his wife will just go back in so he has to. After that Alicia is stuck.

Also Alicia has all Maelles memories, she says she has two childhood memories, and now she values the ones in the canvas more than she did before because they actually treated her better than her "real" family. She clearly cares a lot about Sciel and Lune, Monaco, Noco, Esquie, Gustave, Soph, Emma, the apprentices etc.

>>713120094
>What's the point of making them colorless in the Epilogue alone?
I feel like it's a technical /budget contraint more than anything.
The reason I say this is that another thing that stood out to me duing that scene is how static the crown felt instead having these small animations of people moving towards the entrance. To me it felt like the "zoom-in" scene was done by an intern desu.

The theory you shuggested would make little sense. We know Maelle brought back Lune and Sciel and they acted like their original selves. By the same token she would be able to bring back others.

>>713120523
Even if she isn't dead, what do you expect her to do in the sequel/DLC? ONE MORE PAINTER REJECTED?

>>713114573
Gustave was strongly motivated by Maelle's wellbeing, but also strongly invested in the future of Lumiere. The best part about the reveal is that Gustave did not survive to see it. His reaction would've been complex and it's really difficult to say where he would've ended up.

>>713120523
Inside the portal (Were little verso was painting) reflects real life time. So by the time the Canvas gets destroyed, Lune gets to live a full life inside the canvas.

(I made this up)

>>713120564
>this argument doesn't hold water because of this completely different argument

>>713120684
Burn down the rest of the dessendre estate ideally.

>>713120050
They invite him for threesomes on the regular

>>713120691
Gustave looks really happy in Maelles ending though? And I imagine he knows at that point.

>>713104909
They were all dead anyway. She brought back your teammates, so at most they had to die twice instead of once


I chose the Maelle ending because Verso deserved to suffer. It’s a shame he didn’t get a worse ending

>>713120352
I hate black people so much its unreal.

Why didn't Renoir just immediately leave when Aline got kicked out and slap the cunt IRL

The world outside the painting unironically looked nicer than the inside.

It'd probably have been a harder choice if 98% of the game wasn't uninhabited monster-filled dungeons with a handful of friendly NPCs spattered across the entire game.

>>713119537
She's so fucking breedable

>>713120691
"Alicia? Who the fuck is that. I'm here to save Maelle"

>>713120556
I don't care what the context is, I don't like when authors say shit like that. Death of the author, bitch.
If someone interprets that Lune and Sciel could have grilled Verso the right way into getting the truth, then they can interpret that. The author going "HMMM, NO, THEY CAN'T!!! THIS IS MY STORY AND I SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT LUNE AND SCIEL SAID, VERSO WOULD NEVER GIVE AWAY ANYTHING, OK?" is gay.

Then again, I understand that when you're an author and you're getting grilled about character motivations by people, there's realistically not much you can do. I wish authors just said "Who knows?" more often.

>>713115023
>Its a matter of perspective.
It is. I was surprised how easy people went with "well they're not real" despite being 100% invested in the characters up to act 3.
They're arguably as real as any of us.

>>713118142
One of her painted friends waving goodbye is Painted Verso...
She only wanted to live in his canvas because it contained HIS soul. Otherwise, she could just paint another canvas with all the painted friends she made in Verso's canvas. Listen to Alicia's own words.

>>713118526
>dream
it wasn't, you're just a 95 iq person who thinks he's 120.

>>713104521 (OP)
Seems like you liked it a lot. But I don't get how you spent that much time on it even with the side content unless you did a ng+ and then did all the side content all over again

>beat the paintress
>suddenly it turns out the world is a painting
>almost everyone is fake
>basically everything you did was a waste of time
>including on a meta level since Renoir would have won on his own eventually anyway
What the fuck was the point of all this?
Those are some insane levels of hack writing.

Every jp person I've seen play this compares it to Attack on Titan. Is this really french AoT?

>>713106729
>I think the game kind of handwaved that possibility away,
Because Aline and Aline are literal drug addicts who would spend the remaining days of their lives inside the canvas while killing themselves out of it.

>>713120971
Then why is she seeing Monoco and Lune and Sciel disintegrate if she can just remake them? Doesn't make any sense.

>>713120514
see
>>713119529
She's not capital G, God, she's not "reviving" anyone. The dead people died. It happened. She makes new people to what specifications she knows/understands. Gustave and Verso have brand new models for the finale. That's not an accident.
idk what zombies are being referred to but people are probably talking about Verso being used as a fucking meat puppet for Alicia's enjoyment. Him being mind raped until Alicia dies of old age kinda sucks.

>>713120971
I don't think anyone but Aline can paint humans without copying them using Aline's chroma.

>>713120971
But painted Verso isn't his soul, it's Alines version of Verso, a different person from real Verso, both Esquie and Maelle tells him he's not the same person as Verso was, but he's his own person.

And fucking hell how do you not understand Versos ending? They're fading away waving goodbye because she can't see them ever again.

>>713121026
Fatalism and deciding how the experiences in the canvas should be carried over.
Alicia remembering them in the real world is the proper end.

>>713121076
>She makes new people to what specifications she knows/understands
Problem with this is that she did that for Lune and Sciel and their personalities were way too well defined. To the point that you can have their relationships go from Level 1 to Level 7. They're the exact same people. This ties into how Aline can create a Verso that has the exact same memories as the original Verso, even after that Verso is already dead. I don't know how you can be so confident on what she can and can't do.

>>713121021
Okay explain how it wasn't a dream.
>inb4 akshully it's a painting so it's not a dream :)

>>713120383
> adding that only makes things even more fuzzy than they already were before.
I believe it's by design, neither ending is meant to be happier than the other, so they both have to be almost entirely up to interpretation.
>Why is Maelle able to bring Pierre back to Sciels's satisfaction but not everyone else?
Generous interpretation: sciel helped her capture the essence with a passionate description. Nongenerous interpretation: sciel also isn't a perfect resurrection and maelle just painted her to look happy next to her doll husband. Neither is really more supported than the other. it's up to (You).

>>713120050
>Ahh, Sciel my love I'm so happy to be with you again. I can't wait to see our baby.
>What baby? Silly Pierre you're misremembering... Come, let's go to a concert my dear friend is playing...

women are evil

For the people that think "they're fake", you could be in a painting right now for all you know.

>>713121192
>This ties into how Aline can create a Verso that has the exact same memories as the original Verso, even after that Verso is already dead
This is literally proven wrong in the game.
Verso doesn't know he died in the fire.
Verso doesn't remember the real Renoir, just his mom's copy.

>>713120783
He either hasn't been informed of everything or that isn't Gustave. Gustave would not be okay with Maelle killing herself.
>>713121042
That drug analogy is retarded and needs to stop being used. It's irrelevant when so many lives are at stake.

>>713120631
>brought back Lune and Sciel
This is the people you argue with anons
They don't even remember explanations given them right in the game, right after they were brought back
Lmao

>>713121279
tfw the baby has a grey streak in its hair.

>>713121239
>sciel also isn't a perfect resurrection
But Sciel was reincarnated in between Act 2 and 3 and she's literally no different in between them. For me to be able to vibe with that interpretation, there would have had to be dialogue with Sciel that made me think something was off. There wasn't.

>>713104909
I picked Verso and afterwards i stopped trying to 100% the game and never got the other ending. I found the theme of the game is to let go so i let go of the characters and let them go peacefully into the void. I can't torment my boy Gustave like that. Even Verso which i hated all through the game deserved to be let go. Reinstalling the game and trying to finish it 100% feels like a betrayal to the theme of the game at this point

>>713121292
Okay, and then I would be a fake person. Your point?

>>713121301
She's not killing herself, she's gonna live a full life in the canvas, he'll die before she does. Sure she'll die eventually, everyone does.

>>713121292
Yeah, but in this game
>people outside the canvas have souls
>people inside the canvas only have chroma and after they die they only have oblivion waiting for them

Versofags are right, look at all those maellefags grasping at straws to justify her ending... Meanwhile with verso ending she would heal and have a happy life with her family...

>>713121391
Would you now suddenly decide that your life doesn't matter?

>>713119851
I shouldn't have banged Sciel...

>>713121391
>Admitting to being an npc
ok, anon

>>713120946
I can interpret that Lune should've grown 50 feet tall and squashed everyone else with her sweaty bare feet. Some interpretations are stupid.

>>713121443
Probably, yes.

>>713121301
>That drug analogy is retarded and needs to stop being used.
Renoir says explicitly that staying too long in any canvas has severe consequences for a Painter's health. Both Alicia and Aline were unwilling to leave Verso's canvas even when they knew that, and were fine killing themselves in exchange for living their fantasy life. This is a drug addict behavior.

>>713120737
I'm saying that people are focusing on the 'soul fragment child Verso being tortured' argument because the other two arguments don't hold water.
Addressing that argument directly, there's not evidence that the soul fragment of Verso is actually sentient, it could just be mimicing painted Verso when it nods. The painted people, in contrast, have plenty of evidence that they're sentient, so we should value their survival higher.

>>713121486
Cuck

>>713121430
She looks absolutely broken in Verso ending, she will kill herself of hide inside a canvas where she desperately tries to recreate her old friends and never succeeds, absolute fucking horror that ending.

>>713121486
Pathetic.

>>713120565
Alicia should've offered to step out and help him convince Aline. That would've shown she could be trusted. Instead, she showed that she'll sacrifice her own life to prolong the canvas's existence, which is a complete nonstarter for Renoir. Alicia gave him nothing to work with - sacrificing any member of his family simply will not do and he'd shown that with every action so far.

>>713111201
It makes some sense if you say she repainted them from their own Chroma. She was able to separate theirs by remembering them. Renoir only scattered them, she just put them back together again.

>>713121426
>>people outside the canvas have souls
But what does that imply? Soul doesn't necessarily = afterlife.

>>713121426
>>people outside the canvas have souls
You're taking the soul thing too literally, I think. The boy isn't literally Verso's soul. It's an extension of his self that he left when he painted the canvas, similar to how you can always see part of the author in any work they make.

>>713121456
There is a difference between a hypothetical situation that nobody will ever be able to prove vs actual facts like it is in this game. There is no
>uhh maybe we're real, maybe we're not who knows
in this world, they are not real, period.

The devs clearly intentionally tarnished the ending where we were supposed to achieve everything we were fighting for while framing the ending that basically invalidates the entire journey as hopeful and healthy, all just to spur shit in the community, they almost admit it in an interview they did at Bazar de Grenier.
I'm won't be dancing to some fucking frenchman's silly tune on this one, I'm headcanonning my own fucking ending free from that intentionally shitty false dichotomy and none of you can stop me!

Why was Maelle such a bitch to the Gestrals? It's like she viewed them all as lesser beings

>>713121623
Right, and then in that case I feel like she can do the exact same to everyone else who was ever gommaged.

>>713105396
This song evoked existential dread into me. I started thinking about the creative process of making something that touches people to their very core and how legacy works. Basically the raw thought i had "how can i, as a human, compete on a creative level,to this piece of art". In what way should i work with myself to be able to draw this kind of emotion from other people around me.

>>713121693
The DLC will be a way for Gustave to live and achieve a golden ending!

>>713121664
Their creator, Verso, seems to believe they are real. And so do Aline (who goes to such lengths to protect them that she is losing her powers doing it), and Renoir who takes what Lune and Sciel say seriously rather than dismissing them as "fake"

>>713121746
And that's what she does in her ending, creates a happy world. It's beautiful.

>>713121292
>For the people that think "they're fake", you could be in a painting right now for all you know.

You could be in a videogame for all you know

>>713120565
Forgot to address a couple things:
>She is planning to be able to leave and return
I don't recall her ever saying this, and her admissions to Verso at the end suggest her motivation was always just to stay there with "him".
> and now she values the ones in the canvas more than she did before because they actually treated her better than her "real" family.
We have no idea what Alicia's life with her family is like. We know Clea is pretty cold as far as sisters go. Every other interaction we see is in the wake of an unthinkable tragedy - a daughter mistakenly allowed enemies to firebomb your house. The son sacrificed his life and died terribly to save her. She is still badly wounded and left scarred and mute. All we know outside of that is that her parents were demanding when it came to painting quality. They could otherwise have been very doting, or total cunts. Alicia's actions are those of someone suffering from terrible grief. She says she values those memories, but Maelle simply did not care about Lumiere, and Alicia saying she does shows that there's a disconnect between the two.

>>713121847
Same deal basically.

>>713121492
You'd be right if the painted people weren't real. If I shoot up heroin it doesn't make a bunch of sentient beings spring into existence. Renoir only sees it as drug addict behavior because he's a psycho who has painted and thrown away hundreds of worlds.

You know, come to think of it, the Dessendre family really deserves everything that's coming to it. I wonder if the Writers are actually the good guys that realized what the Painters were doing and find it morally abhorrent.

>>713120291
This. I went through completely blind and even with every damage picto I could only get Maelle's (level 79) Stendahl up to 3 million damage. It takes purposeful work to break it to the extent people are saying.

>>713121549
>>713121593
If you're given scientific evidence that you could be snapped out of existence at any time then what is the point of your life? Whether you slave away for your meager paychecks or stay a neet forever, it literally doesn't matter and you are 100% certain of it.
Might as well just sit back and die, why struggle.

>Already at 500+ replies
NOOOOOO I HAVEN'T EARNESTLY TALKED WITH /v/ ABOUT VIDYA IN YEARS. IT WAS ALL SHITPOSTING SLOP AND CULTURE WAR SLOP AND MEMESLOP. GIVE IT BACK.

>>713121218
In a dream, other people are solipsistic extentions of the mind of the dreamer. In the painting, the Lumierens have their own independent thoughts, feelings, experiences, etc. It's just another dimension, not a "dream." Also you're a fag.

>>713121847
I maintain that the only actual flaw with its twist was the way Luther behaved. He should've been a rational actor opting to prevent what he perceived as a possible future AI revolt instead of a generic megalomaniac.

>>713121964
Pretty much 80% of JRPGs have the party fighting god, and they always fight against death.

>>713122002
Just make a thread #2 about it when this one dies

>>713121816
Just because the entire family is mentally ill and thinks that shitty scribbles on paper are real people doesn't change the facts.

>>713120465
God I would love a DLC that adds him to the party without any explanation.

>>713121361
Verso was also immortal but Alicia changed that about him. Every other instance we see of people being brought back (especially with gestrals who hammer this possibility over the player's head) results in them being different. It's not enough to say for certain but it is only meant to inform your thoughts subconsciously.

>>713122078
>Just make another canvas
Nice try, Maelle, you'll all be clones. This is it.

>>713122089
You are not a divine arbiter of truth

>>713121964
>If you're given scientific evidence that you could be snapped out of existence at any time
That's literally already the case. Something or someone could randomly kill you at literally any moment. Doesn't mean I should stop valuing my own life.

>>713122078
Okay but they're fighting inside a world that is actually real and not doing it behind 30 proxies of fantasy bullshit.

>>713121693
The Verso ending is neither particularly hopeful nor particularly grim, you just interpret it as happy because you're pants-shittingly seething about Alicia's ending not being happy.

>>713104909
based as fuck

>>713122129
>PC Gamer hates gameplay
top kek

>>713121816
>Renoir who takes what Lune and Sciel say seriously rather than dismissing them as "fake"
The validity of a talking point is completely independent from who or what delivers it, if it was delivered by a cardboard cutout the essence of the argument stays the same.
Like, they are ALL fake from our point of view yet we don't automatically dismiss the core themes of the story

Nooo Mario! Get out of that canvass!

>>713107059
That goes against everything that the story is about. It would spit on the whole process and the message.

>>713122147
Well neither are they then. So again, what's the point?

Oh. My. Reddit.

>>713122194
Define "real"

>>713121856
We see her mother acting cold towards her, also how she talks about her makes that obvious. And Clea as you say is definitely a bitch, blaming her for Versos death to her face. I guess Renoir might be kind to her, but he also says it's partially his fault Aline is in the canvas, he wasn't there for her when she was grieving etc. I dunno, not the warmest of families is my feeling.

And no she doesn't say straight up she will leave. But she hides the canvas, why would she do that if she was planning on never leaving? Also she's bubbly and happy about seeing her father, expecting him to help, I doubt she'd act like that if she was planning on never leaving, she would know he would hate that.

>>713122204
Alright, now that is a based response. Maybe this guy isn't so bad after all. Again, I get that when you're an author and you're invited to discuss your own story, it's kind of a no-win situation.

>>713119636
not too bright, are you?

>>713122002
This is not worth your life

>>713122297
Not inside a painting for starters.

>>713122282
No one said they were

>>713122204
>game is about dealing with grief
>the ending where the dead people wave goodbye to you in full color and the MC smiles is up for interpretation. it could be a bad ending.
>the ending where it's in black and white, has a horror jumpscare, people are shown being brought to tears, and the MC kills herself is definitely good ending.

>>713122307
Maelle basically admits at the end that she is never leaving because she thinks or pretends she thinks Renoir will destroy the canvas the second she does. It's part of what turns the choice into a dilemma.

If you could just allow Verso to kill himself, Maelle to leave and enter at will and everything else to go as normal, you could have the best of both worlds and the only point of contention left would be muh painting boy soul, which, whatever, a worthy sacrifice.

>>713122250
If Renoir was /v/ you know he'd just respond with "fuck off, fakey, before I Thanos snap you away"

>>713122204
Alicias ending is happy though, did you see Gustaves smile? Lune laughing?

>>713121693
Based take. The French love to circlejerk over tragedies

>>713122435
>painting boy soul
Is only so depressed because his family have quite literally butchered his canvas to use for their fucking proxy war.

>>713115098
During act 1, I clocked that Gustave was going to die.
However, I started to speculate that all of them were going to die, leaving Maelle as a sole survivor. The game would then fast forward to an older Maelle who has had to survive on the continent for years

>>713122192
You would still leave traces of yourself behind. In this world you can be literally erased from time and space and then brought back instantly to life depending on mood of a teenage girl. The two are not the same.

>>713122435
No no no. Renoir says first he will destroy it and that's when she starts panicking, before that she's all happy to see him

>>713122381
Problem: a painting is part of the real world. So if you have a painting hanging on your wall, is what is in that painting not real? What about a fresco on a wall? Is that not real? How can something not be real if it is actually shown in the painting and you can observe it from looking at the painting?

The people in the painting could think, feel and live as people.
And therefore, they are real.
And therefore, they have the right to life.

If one fucking kid who's already dead has to be trapped in some canvas to allow for thousands and thousands to live, small price to pay.

>>713122634
Ok, but Maelle basically convinced Renoir not to destroy it, they hugged it out, Renoir left, and then Verso said "You're still gonna stay here forever" and she was like "Yes.jpg, cause he'll destroy it"

>>713121239
Sciel answered that herself when Verso asked her if she would do what Aline did. I think Piere is an imperfect copy but Sciel is so desperate for him that she doesn't care if he is not exactly the same.

>>713122538
Yeah, clearly it's the part of Versos soul that enjoys painting, that's the only thing that makes sense. But obviously it would be sad/tired when all its work is destroyed. He'll be happy again once Renoir stops.

>>713122695
He knows Aline will always find the canvas

>>713122704
But then why is Sciel basically a perfect copy? Maelle is not omniscient.

>>713117867
Versochads don't give a single fuck about a fake painted world.

Fiction writers say shit like
>uhh the endings are neither good or bad, it's all up to interpretation :)
And then proceed to write clearly defined good and bad endings.

>>713121348
We also know Renoir controlled all the chroma but that would no longer be the case after he left.

>>713120824
I was under the impression that this exactly happened when he did the 'enter the canvas' move

People going for New game plus really didn't get the game.

>>713122695
You seem to have your own version of the game no one else got. In our version he starts summoning monsters that start destroying shit and she runs away from him.

>>713122757
Because she grabbed Sciel and Lune's chroma right after they disappeared.

>>713122783
>Lune, Sciel, Monoco and Esquie being erased
>Clearly defined good

>>713121478
Good post.

>>713118710
Flying Manor is boring reused assets for the second time (after the monolith), then there is the tower too.

>>713122848
Any one of them are worth more than Renoir and Verso.

>>713122826
I'm talking after Renoir gets beat. They beat Renoir, Maelle and Renoir have a heart to heart. Renoir seems to be convinced by Maelle (Or willingly fooled, as Verso puts it) and then Maelle still says that she can't leave or Renoir will destroy the painting.

>>713122554
I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here. You sound like someone who just read some nihilist philosophy and managed to miss the point.

>>713122826
he means after the final boss

>>713122916
Maelle is probably just using that as a justification to herself to not leave, because she doesn't want to have to go back to her shit life.

>>713122848
As opposed to female Hitler ruling the world and making people do whatever she wants based on a whim?

not enough SEX in these thread tho

>>713121856
>stay there with him
They should have made Maelle/Alicia a much more open brocon.

>>713122916
>>713122950
But who would trust him at that point? Also maybe she does leave and visit eventually, we don't know for sure. Personally I wouldn't blame her for not leaving, Renoir has shown himself as a pretty awful person and so has Clea, she has nothing much left outside the canvas, if they come in and beg for forgiveness then maybe.

>>713123029
She has shown nothing but good character, Hitler would be Renoir, he's the one murdering everyone for his own goals.

>>713123149
Renoir is just displaying what most humans do: family favoritism. They value people close to them more than random people on the street, to the point they'd sacrifice thousands of those people for one family member.

>>713123023
That's what makes the most sense because she's completely illogical when she says that.

>>713123149
That's part of why I like the Maelle ending so much. The worst things about it can in theory change. Maelle can leave and come back eventually. Verso can convince Maelle to end his existence so that he stops living forever. In theory, these things don't have to be static forever.

Whereas, with Verso's ending, it's over. Those people are gone. And I just don't value the Dessendre Family over the people that Aline created in her fit of unearned godhood.

>>713123335
Agreed, I also chose to believe she let's Verso die of old age etc. and doesn't become some evil dictator god that some people seem to think she does. I just don't see any of that in her during the game

>>713123227
Good character as in forcing verso to do something he doesn't want? It's a slippery slope.

>>713123295
Listen. I love my brother. My brother means the world to me.

If I had to choose between my brother and ten strangers, I'd pick the ten strangers. Hell, I know for a fact that my brother would never forgive me if I killed innocent people to keep him alive.

The idea that I'm going to sacrifice thousands of people for one person isn't familial favoritism. It's genuinely insane behavior.

>>713106686
Oh look it's the fat retard with the sim analogies

>>713123480
You're a horrible person and an even worse brother. kys.

>>713123480
You're in the minority. Humans are extremely in-group focused.

>>713122453
It's sad because someone who is actually intellighent would understand that the message, that these smiles and laughs are meaningless because they were painted by Maelle to be the way she wants them to be. Which is totally depressing about her mental state of delusion and grief.

>>713123480
Then you objectively don't love him enough.

>>713123445
He promised he would play the piano for her in the theater earlier in the game.

>>713123605
No, anon, you're making shit up. If she can just paint smiles on people, she'd paint one on Verso.

>>713123605
Literally something Verso pickers make up, nothing in the game points towards her creating puppets or forcing them to do anything.

>>713109240
>>713112543
I'd love if a sequel had the Writers as protagonists and you had to fight the Paintniggers. Clea as final bossu

>>713122297
A place that's permanent. You know, where Verso is dead and Alicia is burnt. I'm sorry but that's how it works.
The painting is not real because do overs are possible, mistakes are fixable, consequences can be erased.

>>713123480
>If I had to choose between my brother and ten strangers, I'd pick the ten strangers
You'd like to say you would, but in the actual situation you would choose to save your brother. You would deal being hated by him for it because at least he's still alive.
People are rarely honest with themselves about such scenarios though.

>>713123763
Not even our own universe is permanent, anon.

>>713115098
I thought the game was about the demographic problem and that there were more old people like Renoir in the painting and they somehow stole life from younger and younger people. But I also guessed the paintress was not causing the gommage, like there was no proof that painting the number caused the gommage and not the other way around.

>>713123672
Free will means being able to break promises. Alicia is already taking shortcuts to achieve her goals and its only gonna get worse.

>>713123828
They did telegraph that the Paintress wasn't the real villain pretty hard from the very beginning. She looked really sad as she painted the number.

>>713122767
>immortal chad
>has his familty
>lives in a magical world
>can pursue his passion of playing music
>I don't want this life
Oh fuck off

>>713123480
There's also the thing that he's not just picking his wife over other people. He's forcing her to come home against her will by murdering thousands of people...

>>713123903
Sophie suggests it as well.

This is the only game from gen 9 so far that deserves to be preserved.

>>713123963
Nah. I've been feasting lately. Blue Prince is pure kino as well, though not as good.

>>713123884
But you've made up that he's being forced, there's literally nothing that points towards that. He's sad sure, but he's still honoring his promise.

>>713123949
Only Sophie could choose empathy at a moment like that.

>>713124006
Blue Prince was awful. One of the worst games I've ever played and I'm not exaggerating.

Well, gents, it's been a pleasure

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