guys... I don't think Onion's coming back...

>>713412497 (OP)
I hope the lake becomes a Dark World somehow and we find him there.

why was the song so important that the gaster mafia had to make onion dissapear

>>713412497 (OP)
There's a much higher chance of the thread getting deleted if you put deltarune in the title like it's a general

>>713412497 (OP)
>aquatic monster in a game where the ocean is symbolic of eldritch shit
little guy was on borrowed time

>>713412497 (OP)
You mean Asriel II?

>>713412714
He found the dog composing underwater and had to be [REDACTED] to avoid spoilers getting out.

>>713412497 (OP)
He's been gone for one day chill out.

>>713412714
lyrics hide the answer to one of the bunker door codes

>>713412497 (OP)
>Susie can shift the prophecy on her own without any help because your choices don't matter, hers do
>Noelle can shift the prophecy with (You) commanding her

>>713412850
>Kris fucking killed him to keep (Us) out of the bunker as long as possible
>Susie said she could hear something on the lake
What now, little man? How much is that stupid plan of yours worth?

angel candidates:
noelle: has been referred to as such multiple times, visually resembles one in the dark world, her heaven involves some sort of reversion to the days of her childhood with dess
(you): self explanatory, heaven is unclear
susie: wildcard option, her role in the prophecy seems more fluid than everyone else, perhaps she will be thrust into the role due to unfortunate circumstances, heaven is a time loop, as she expressed the desire for things to continue as they are forever, and for every day to be like the last going forwards

Do you think the twitter fanbase will call for a fatwa against Toby if he does not deliver on their favourite ship?

>>713413215
He's going to deliver on every ship, there's only two of them and both involve you

>>713412497 (OP)
This game would be better if Nintendo actually developed it

>>713412956
I wish I could live in a world with anthro bitches like Kris...

>>713413213
>has been referred to as such multiple times, visually resembles one in the dark world, her heaven involves some sort of reversion to the days of her childhood with dess
She used to wear little angel wings when she was a kid, just like Kris used to wear a horn headband.
By the way, that should put a damper on a Human Dess theory.

>>713413272
>he doesn't know

>>713413296
Go to a furry convention or VRChat

>>713413213
Where is that text from?

>>713413215
Most shippers get along fine, I have literally never seen Kriselle and Krusie chads fighting with each other. Susellefags/Kerdlyfags (they are usually the same people) are the only rabid ones that are hostile to everyone else.

>>713413213
This is a very foreboding blogpost

>>713413360
last newsletter of 2024 iirc
little snowman at the bottom takes you to it

>>713413408
Btw, she'll become the angel on both paths
How strong she is depends on if you did weird route or not

>>713413518
>He eatededed his spincake
rest in piss nerd

>>713413524
Just like in undertale
Its rather about, what kind of angel she turns out to be

>>713413472
Oh okay, that's really fucked up

>>713413296
Go, I wish Noelle had cute feet in canon.

>FRIEND has been stalking us since Undertale
>Or he might have been spying on us through Deltarune and he somehow went onto Undertale to keep his pursuit
Who the FUCK is FRIEND?!?!?

>>713412497 (OP)
Was Krusie created to dunk on shounen anime like Naruto or Bleach, where instead MC ending with some childhood side chick (Hinata/Orihime), he ends with the battle partner he bonds for the rest of the series (Sasuke/Rukia)? Is Toby fixing the anime romances?

>>713413625
>>FRIEND has been stalking us since Undertale

>>713413625
He's in undertale?

>>713413580
Not my fault Toobie scammed me.

>>713412714
Given the overwhelming association of Shadows to Water, and the hint from Onion that the song is not "new", it is likely that the song is either to do with Gaster or the nature of the Dark Worlds themselves. It's probably not related to any of the characters moving in the story so far, it's being set up as something almost primordial, like the Titans but more mysterious.

>>713412497 (OP)
We didn't see Muffet either, it's not neccessary to make a cameo of every Undertale character

>>713413658
The childhood friend always loses in my experience
I wouldn't even be mad about Krusie, it's sweet
Just get rid of Suselle

>>713412497 (OP)
So Kris tried to save Noelle, but is also working with the knight to stop the player from going into the bunker and slashed the tires to lure undyne. So is the knight not evil? This further supports the theory that Ralsei is actually evil. That goat fuck just shows up in places he shouldn't be and nobody questions it

>krusiecucks

>>713413215
I think people are figuring out Suselle is made bad on purpose because its not going to happen. However Toby is such a nice guy who doesnt want his game to be part of a battle of ships when he finishes it, he will very likely add some mini routes for "implied ships" even if they won't be animated but just implied in a throwaway lines in the epilogue

>Krusiechucks

>>713412497 (OP)
Good. Fuck that nigga. I wanna hang out at the lake with my dino nugget

>>713413296
Damn Kris lives like this??

>>713413392
to be fair, 99% of shipfags in general are vile people

>>713413835
Toby won't let that happen, he'll brow beat you about "taking control" and "commanding the lives of characters" while shoving FORCED lesbo stuff in your face.

>>713413663
>>713413664
>Undertale
>"I, your humble servant, will follow you to the utmost"
>Deltarune
>Vending Machine in S Rank Dressing Room
>SMILE
>"Always at your humble service"
Honestly we should thank it for being so loyal, it's kind of incredible.

>>713413850
>Lucca is best girl in Chrono Trigger

>Unlikable dyke that stutters a lot
Am I talking about Noelle or Alphys

I think I just had Toby's fever dream.
My favorite part of chapter 7 is when (You) actually explain to Kris everything, including Undertale. And then a human scientist (looks like Dr Andonuts) shows up out of nowhere and explains something beyond schizophrenic to (You) and Kris.
Final party is Kris (light world clothes, dark world outfit), the Knight and this random ass bald scientist man as we attempt to stop this End of Evangelion tier nonsense. The Knight gets some VOICED DIALOG for the true final boss which sounded really good. So good I think I got an erection.

>>713413835
To be honest I think every ship besides Ralsus is really bland and lifeless but most of them get away by Kris not doing anything that triggers people randomly

Lets be honest, Toby will make such a depressing ending at the end of normal route every ship will "reset" and maybe he will add some implication of romance on "true route" that contain happy ending

>>713413979
alphys, both verses.

>>713413934
NONONO DELTARUNE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH UNDERTALE YOU RETARD I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE COMPARING THESE TWO INCREDIBLY SIMILAR GAMES WITH SAME CHARACTERS, SAME PLOT POINTS, VERY SIMILAR COMBAT SYSTEM, SAME DEVELOPER ARRGHH FUCK YOU

>>713413979
Noelle is likeable and doesn't stutter a lot.

>>713413979
Does it matter?

Were shiptards just refreshing the catalog for hours waiting to have their pissing contest?

>>713413934
wasn't the former Chara?

The doe? For protecting. Even if it means by afar.
Until you bring Dess back to her life.

I wasn't aware you could upgrade your maximum health by picking a different choice with Gerson: https://youtu.be/vixm1K75pSs

>>713412497 (OP)
I'm curious. Who is /v/'s favorite DR character?

Also as it turns out the bald guy is the human, the Knight is the monster and (You)+Kris is the prince of the dark.

>>713413934
Was Kris adopted as a pet? Is this Toriel's horrible secret? did the "incident" force hometown to treat humans as equals? Is this what the "cat petterz spawned the devil" plotline is really building up around?

>>713414013
>Krusie is bland and lifeless
??? Its the one that gives more perspective on Kris, along with Kriselle perhaps

>>713414106
Kris' anus

>>713414117
Everyone knows the best ship is Kris and choccy milk.

>>713413934
>>713414029
>>713414112
I'm so excited to see you retards seething and calling the game shit when you're the new Mike room.

>>713414117
>what if Kris acts like a stone wall in 90% of interactions
Game is hard carried on the back of Susie and Ralsei

The big indicator of how the romances play out in going to be at the festival.
Like there are two paths I can see Toby doing with Susie that wouldn't have his team turn on him.
>Suselle
What you expect
>No Ship
Susie shuts down Noelle in a "I'm not attracted to anyone like that" style and after a breakdown and development Noelle realized that she was using Susie as a Dess proxy and that she needs to mature.

Either way Krusie will just remain in "best bros" territory with option 2 leaving space for shippers.

Because honesty its Toby, its either going to be lesbians or bust.

>>713413215
Calling it now, Toby will do a little more teasing towards all the popular ships before things irreversibly hit the fan and nobody has any time to think about romance until the main plot's over and everyone is either dead, unrecognizable, or going their separate ways. And people will sigh and be melancholic about "what could have been" and ship whoever they want in a made-up universe where everything didn't go to shit.

>>713414212
Toby set up a lot of stuff between Kris and both Noelle and Susie, Noelle being a lot more subtle and reading between the lines as you piece it back together
There's no way a payout won't come out of it

>>713414212
We've all been thinking too simple. Krusie fans, Suselle enjoyers. I propose the love triangle of the century.

>>713414195
Oh no my expectations were subverted and I was given something different but good, how will I ever cope?

>>713414212
I think susie will avoid any love interactions due to fear of the prophecy
people forget that susie is pretty emotionally drained and scared of the final prophecy and chapter 5 won't be as straight forward as just going to the festival and acting as if nothing was wrong

>>713414208
t. never picked up on what dialogue options are the ones Kris is happy to do and which ones are forced by the player.

>>713414297
I think the fuck not, Krusie is forced

>>713414106
Lancer unironically

>>713414297
Susie x Noelle x Rouxls Kaard

>>713414342
Well, I tried. Keep fighting, then cucks.

>>713414212
I think Noelle having an epic meltie is the new “we’re totally going to mindbreak goatmommy in chapter 3 and have MOMGRAVE”

>>713414297
Noelle is a lesbian.

>>713414275
Literally the best case scenario if there's no affection tracking mechanics

>>713414405
With that attitude, she is.

>>713414342
all krusie interactions are optional while all suselle ones are forced though
and remember noelle herself said if its forced it doesn't count

>>713414405
>Noelle is a lesbian.

>>713414342
There's not a single forced ship besides Susie/Noelle and Alphys/Undyne, which are the only ones that actually are forced on you by the game.

It’s going to be SATISFYING when Susie gets SLAUGHTERED in chapter 7 to save the world from being destroyed.

>>713414405
all toby characters are bi

>>713414410
>if there's no affection tracker mechanics
Going on a whim here but, the gift you give during Cyber World does show up in either Susie or Ralsei's room
I doubt Noelle and Berdly won't have it in some way, Noelle is definitely coming back to Dark Worlds in Chapter 5

>>713413667
This. I'm honestly convinced toby fucked up and literally just forgot it existed. It's supposed to be replenished each chapter but you can't

>>713414470
>There's not a single forced ship besides Susie/Noelle and Alphys/Undyne
Toriel/Sans

>>713414195
Oh no the Mike room just says that Mike isnt any one of those three retards and is still around! My theories about mike being a gingerbread man sillhouette, a dice and a tv remote are COMPLETELY DESTROYED. At least I still got a FRIEND inside me, that gets referenced in every deltarune chapter, spamton sweepstakes and noelle’s blog, that will certainly lead me to Mike’s true nature.
I swear, theres a retard like you in every thread repeating the same “le got rugpulled by mike’s room”.

>>713414106
Burghley is literally me

>>713414534
This actually serves the purpose of painting Toriel as the villain of the story.

>>713414405
>Was

d.ogg will play in the normal route when the Knight shows up in Chapter 5's dark world and Noelle recognizes its roar as her sister's voice
>sounds like the beginning of Raise Up Your Bat pitched way down
>d.ogg = dess.ogg
>plays in snowgrave when Noelle realizes the enemy is someone she knows
>flashback played in the normal route as well

>>713414106
Isn't thatte obviouse?
TM, of course.

>>713414498
It does feel like trying the waters on some hidden tracker on whose character you were more inclined upon

>>713414212
>Because honesty its Toby
So it's going to end up as BDSM orgy?

>>713414212
Toby woudnt make lesbians undeveloped slog if he liked it, he would make Noelle replace ralsei or Kris

>US bombs Iran
>All janny resources get moved into /pol/
>No DR thread deleted for a while.

Thank you Mr. President. I will now die for Ralsei.

>>713414498
>gave all the options to Susie
I like Susie bros, but the doe is so lovely...I'd replay the entire game if Toby did this he won't... :(

WHO THE FUCK IS MIKE
WHO THE FUCK IS FRIEND
WHAT IS TOBY DOING
IS GASTER BEHIND ALL OF THIS??
AAAARGH I NEED ANSWERS!

>>713414529
It's supposed to get stronger with each chapter too, reminder that Toby also stealthily nerfed the ribbons. I think he fucked up the balance and now doesn't know how to fix things for later chapters, so he's just ruining/erasing items from previous chapters.

>>713413714
wow, this is some high level thinking, I wish I noticed the water-shadow association

>>713414297
>I propose the love triangle
No, I propose a BATTLE THROUPLE.

>>713414635
The main cope was that "Toby is bad at writing romance but good at accidentally writing good romance". But it doesn't really works after chapter 4. He did became good at writing romance after Undertale, and Suselle is written bad on purpose.

>>713414654
>Fino Fanto 14 threads left alone too
Ohhh now it's coming together

>>713414494
Berdly is straight.
>b-but Kris...
Is a biological woman.

I DON'T CARE I SHIP KRIS WITH HIM DYING THAT PIECE OF SHIT

>>713414468
>Kris, my boy, if you'd just fucking pushed her down and kissed her right then and there we'd have never intervened.
>Let this be a lesson
>If you want to save your friends?
>If you want to 'protect them' from us?
>As silly an idea as that is, she loved every minute of it after all
>Then there's no ward, talisman or chant that will do it
>But shipping, lad?
>Shipping will get you everywhere

Being possessed by the Tumblrdemon would be possibly the worst kind of experience humanly possible.

>>713414586
JP Fan art >>>>> Western Piggu fan art.

>>713414654
Repayment for Carol making that giant donation to the inauguration fund. She made the call.

>>713414079
It is from the Undertale code under the variable "demon". This was always assumed to be Chara, "the demon that comes when you call its name", but Chara never describes themselves as our servant, but specifically a "partner" who received our "guidance". It has always been a mystery, but Deltarune seems to be hinting that it was FRIEND all along.
Maybe worth noting, the "demon" text is separated alphabetically (demonx, demony, demonz). Demonx, y, z, and r are Toby's warning not to show off datamined content, and demona, b, and c are from the "humble servant".

>>713414709
Also works. Literally everyone wins in this scenario.I don't see how you can argue against it.

>>713413714
Water does seem to have an important symbolism within the story
The game opens with a wave effect in the background and the prophecies are formed by water

>>713414212
He woudnt add flags and teasing if he didnt try to make side routes, he would make every interaction neutral like between Kris and Catti, not giving options to choose flirting

>>713414106
Noelle
Cute, retard, murderous and rapeable, what else do you need?

>>713414715
What if
Hear me out
Suselle is being played as a self-deprecating joke over Undertale AlphysxUndyne and how people thought it was forced

All your shipping fantasies and theories will become true in the next chapter, you just have to SAY IT.

>>713414212
>>713414297
>>713414715
Suselle is such a terrible ship, I don't even see Susellefags as human. And I'm usually into yuri too.

>>713414534
trvke

>>713414667
I figure Mike was always just an unseen character doing shit for Tenna
>WE DON'T NEED MIKE
Makes sense in context of Mike always doing Tenna's dirty work for him

>>713414826
Does Asgore jumping Sans and beating the fuck out of him counts?
Because I want that badly.

>>713414826
FUCK OFF TENNA, WHO GAVE YOU ACESS TO THE /V/ BOARD.

>>713414724
Berdly is gamersexual.

>>713412610
I'd love to see all the water in Hometown turn black because of the darkness.

I think it’s funny what sets /v/ off, sometimes it’s Suselle then other times it’s like 10 replies on how Sweet Cap’n Cakes are the worst characters ever

>Pine: 1225 (Carol)
>Badge: ???? (Asgore or Undyne)
>Deltarune: ???? (Alvin or Toriel)
Predict the rest of the codes

>>713413714
>>713413730
I never understood the water and shadow association besides >dark fountains and now on chapter four the prophecy glass looks like water.
Care to enlighten me if there is anything more than that?

I said it before but shipfag hours really feel more like football teams fighting over who's "winning" than story speculation

>>713414832
Good, because I identify as a monster just like my HEROINE.

>>713414826
NIGGER

>>713414106
1. Spamton
2. Noelle
3. Susie

>>713414715
>>713414821
I think Toby's just a naive idiot who thinks he can get away with the Hinata/Orihime type of terrible romance just because it's lesbian that makes it ok.
There are a lot of moralistic factors that play in too, to make it basically a requirement by his rules, such as the fact that Noelle's family is wealthy and Noelle is more conventionally feminine.

>>713414783
>Your choices dont matter
When tobby drops that on the ending
I wonder how many will break

>>713412497 (OP)
Oh you think that "human dess" is a bad theory?

Let me raise it for you, Dess is not only human, but ALSO the deltarune version of Chara

reminder to stop calling it the "freedom leitmotif" like a faggot when the leitmotif is from Jevil's theme and his theme alone. The world of Deltarune revolves around him, nobody is more free than him.

>>713414931

>>713414826
I LOVE TV
I LOVE TV
I LOVE TV
I LOVE TV

>>713414826
KILL YOUR TV
KILL YOUR TV
KILL YOUR TV
KILL YOUR TV

>>713413734
AS LONG AS SUSELLE LOSES
ILL BE HAPPY

>>713414954
That's like saying Asriel is the Deltarune version of Suzy

>>713414910
Kek, not even Berdly's crushing on Noelle is as superficial as Suselle
Because he knows she's a gamer herself and he doesn't need to hide his power level or anything, even knowing she's smarter and looks up at her with that
His only fault is coming on too strong, he's a good guy, just a bit of a fucking retard

>>713414963
Hadn't seen this version thanks
At this point I'm honestly considering watching Open Season just because of how much these edits have made me laugh

>>713414936
honest to god it feels like shipfags are just built off of consolewarfag mentality, i.e. they only feel satisfied if a ship happens at the expense of another and wouldn’t remotely care at all if there was just one single ship or so that’s clearly set up from start to finish

Kris is such a lucky human

>Onion
His name is Asriel II you dork.

>>713414931
Deltarune code is probably the same one we got from the fire hydrant in chapter 4. Badge code we'll likely get from Asgore.

>>713414993
We can pray for Kriselle bro but I think Toby hates her. As long as Suselle is gone, peace shall avail us.

>>713414954
KRIS ANAL

>>713414941
I HATE SHONENIGGERS

>>713413889
>Not tall enough for h*man women
>Not short enough for anthro women
I'm truly a loveless beast

>>713413658
The childhood friend usually always loses that's why Naruto and Bleach were so controversial.

you guys

Asriel is gonna come back from college and be trans

>>713415029
shut the fuck uuuuUUUPPP

>>713413392
Anyone that chimps out about Suselle not being canon will get eaten alive by their own kind, they're the same people that calls Krusie and Kriselle "yuri" anyway.

>>713414931
I just feel like one of them's gonna be 1997
Doubt it'd be the year Dess disappeared since the cast is pretty clearly zoomers, but it could be a significant year outside of Spamton for some other reason we don't know yet

>>713415068
Sauce?

>>713414936
>>713415047
I think people from every angle just want Susie+Noelle to stop being FORCED

The birdcage in kris room is there because he used to be Asriel’s pet, until they learned how to care for human kids
Thats why Kris has dog tendencies

>>713415094
If it makes you feel any better Noelle would be significantly more likely to cheat on her partner than Susie would.

Why do people talk about "susellefags" on /v/ as if there actually are any?

>>713415013
>Childhood friends with Asriel
>Was kind of a dick
>Died and broke down their family
>Resurrected as an evil ghost
>Related to Knives

>>713415118
AGPriel...

I just beat ch4 and I have to say I didnt think Toby had it in him to rekindle the excitement I had when ch2 released years ago. I didnt get to experience the threads on /v/ because my job is miserable this time of year and I couldnt find time to actually sit down and play it until today. Its hard to put into words, but Toby has some inexplicable talent to write characters that you cant help but care about. Also everything involving Gerson was 100000/10. God damn, I cant believe Im willingly stepping back into Tobias Radiation Fox's wild ride.

>>713415150
I’m gonna FORCE Susie’s canon death down your piehole

>>713415047
Same as it ever was.

>>713415163
Not falling for it.

>>713415118
More likely than trans Dess tbdesu

>>713415202
It's a lovely place

>>713415074
Wasn't that code for the church's door and only 3 digits?

(MOVING) I'LL CRUSH MY TV FOR ITS HORRIBLE CRIMES!

inb4 Susie is inevitably sacrificed and thus Susellefags and Krusiefags are FORCED to stand and watch Noelle and Kris bond over their departed crush and get together

Deltarune? Obliterated.
Sans? The only survivor.
Sans x Toriel? The only true ship.

>>713414752
Not really. Japs love Krusie, but they completely fail to understand the goblin dynamics, they treat it as "nice but assertive guy + delinquent girl" kind of situation.

>>713415202
Find a different job man whatever you got going on clearly isnt worth it

>>713415253
No it was 2202

>>713415194
>Anon turns to the Susellefags and laughs.
>Anon shits on the Susellefags with a YABBApost!
>Anon owns the Susellefags, Anon dabs on the Susellefags.
>Anon begs the Susellefags to stop posting yurislop in his thread.
>There are no Susellefags.

>>713415360
Which is a damn shame. Goblin-on-goblin love is perfect.

>>713413934
if only there was another character whose face was fixed in a permanent grin, one who is known to follow the player

Personally I’m excited to see Susie’s reaction to Kris and Ralsei working with the Knight

>>713415360
I wonder how much of that is due to translation

>>713415310
"We're not gonna let that happen" makes me think it's not her own life on the line.
My money's on "one of the heroes is going to die at the hands of the other(s)."

>>713415415
You mean the one whose theme is Your Best FRIEND?

>>713415418
We're definitely going to hear this again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGuDpoJNImA

Susie does not take well to traitors. She was absolutely ruthless to poor Lancer in Chapter 1.

>>713415047
Everybody except mentally ill tumblrfags just hate Susie x Noelle and want literally anything else. Even nothing is better.

>>713414297
Yeah, kris x ralsei x susie

>>713415360
Do any of them draw this moment? I want a bunch of these compiled into a wallpaper.

>>713415530
The question is if it will lead into the FREEDOM motif
I'm also curious if it will end with Susie winning or if the Shadow Crystals will change the fight

>>713413156
>pic
Sauce? Saucenao isn't giving me anything.

>>713415465
imagine snorting DUSTriel

>>713415425
Well, then we have to see if situation changes after chapter 4, because most of the goblin stuff in it was visual (like snack plate lawnmower).

>>713415418
I bet that's how LOVE finds its way to the Girl.

>>713415570
>>713414957

>>713415602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLRHejWAo8

>>713415602
Yeah and the song you hear all over the place is the Beginning motif and it's Toriel's car's theme alone

>>713412714
>gaster mafia
Do you think they all show up at once to throw you into the void?

>>713415068
>>713415135
nvm found it.
https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/75784010/#q75784518

>>713415602
>>713414957
Why is Jevil PR so shit to the point where his own fucking theme gets renamed by the community for some bullshit deeper meaning?

>>713415578
Sorry mate, I don't know. I picked it up in passing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vixm1K75pSs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0G_41lRVk

>>713415570
Out of all the Lightners, she holds the real pen. Freedom is calling.

>>713414106
He's the perfect mix of tragedy, comedy and villainy. Best antagonist Toby has ever written so far.

>>713415713
>Nah, that's Kris, his weapon is a pencil or something

>>713415530
I think depending on the route she'll either be so crushed she simply gives up or she'll be so pissed she becomes a super boss.

FUCK THIS STORY IS TOO GOOD! I NEED CHAPTER 5 NOW

>Susie finds out Kris and Ralsei are double agents
>Noelle gets rejected by Susie (and Rudy dies)
>Asgore finds out Sans “befriended” Toriel
>In emotional turmoil they all open Dark Fountains at once

>>713415649
Jevil's theme predates all of Deltarune's OST

>>713415530
>Kris stays quiet despite Susie screaming at him to explain why he's working with the Knight
>"Quiet people piss me off" returns as the pre-battle quote

>>713415371
Thats the hope. Im tired of the apartment management industry. It pays moderately well, but its miserable, would crushing work and the companies who own the properties in my area have become increasingly unhinged and cheap to the point that I dont even bother parroting the bullshit they expect me to peddle.

Anyway enough dwelling on job stuff, what's everyone's favorite part of chapters 3 and/or 4?

>>713415705
>"I CAN'T [Spot the difference]!!!"

>>713415698
I hope whoever drew that made a version for Kris at this moment.

>>713415530
This theme is way too flashed out for a one time battle. We're definitely gonna hear it again.
I don't want to fight Susie, bros, she's lovely. Fuck I'd rather kill that double agent fucker Kris than fight Susie.

>>713414776
>>713414692
>>713414934
The association between Shadow and Water is actually demonstrated in every single chapter, but strikingly it is almost never drawn attention to.
You have the Dark Fountains themselves, literally geysers of darkness.
When examining the Shadow Mantle it is said "shadows flow off it like water".
Gerson says that "soon, an ocean of ink (black water) shall wash across the pages."
Shadow Crystals are described as "a sharp shadow moves like water in the hand".
Related to the Shadow Crystals, we now have the odd text from the book near the Chapter 4 Egg room, which states that "something like glass" grew from a river of bitter tears, which is the same descriptor used for the "Glass" that is the Shadow Crystals in the Light World, which "feels like glass".
You can actually acquire these tears, known as BitterTear, and they are the only item in the game that heal maximum HP. These are themselves likely related to the "Coldwater" in the prophecy which also fell from the sky, but that's not explicitly stated, or related to Darkness or Shadows.

>>713415805
My favorite moment in Chapter 3 is the Knight battle.

My favorite moment in Chapter 4 is the entire chapter.

>>713414948
>there are things more important than reaching the ending
you'd think by being so obviously shifty with the prophecy, the base idea of angel from undertale, and the entire character of gerson; more people would pick up that WHAT happens is irrelevant if you don't know HOW it happens
or ya know, read up oedipus, macbeth, lotr, literally anything with a prophecy

>Kris and the Knight vs Ralsei and Susie
>if you try to do anything other than fight or if you miss your attacks on purpose, the Knight threatens to cut them both down more brutally
>possibly even destroying the other options a la Asgore
>if you try to select anything other than FIGHT for the Knight, she reaches over and slaps Kris in the back of the head
>the first turn you attack, the Knight blocks it
>"Wait."
>she flings the sword out of Kris's hands
>"No more playing pretend with school supplies. This is a real fight. I gave you that Knife for a reason -- use it."
>we find out the sort of weapon Kris's knife becomes in the Dark World

>>713415202
Said this last thread but chapter 4 (especially from the part where you enter the Dark World on) really was Toby firing on all cylinders. He just might be one of the best to ever do it.

>>713415791
wait was Jevil's theme originally for the clown bullshit back in Homestuck?

What the fuck was that "Anakin slaughtering the younglings" ass room with all the goat NPCs in Mantle supposed to be foreshadowing? Are we gonna massacre a bunch of people in the Light World at the festival Chapter 1 fanfic style in the weird route?

>>713414106
I don't think I feel strongly enough for any of the characters to outright call them a favorite. So I'm gonna go with Tenna mostly due to the opinion that his boss fight is one of the best in the game.

>>713415898
This is gonna happen, I can feel it.

>>713415418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESmCKmZZPEs

>>713415202
Play a new game in the meantime

>>713414106
Susie followed by Gerson

What you're telling me Des molested Kris and now he's groomed into helping the Knight?

Is Sans gonna be important for the plot?

>>713415920
It's the Castle Town.

>>713415992
He's gonna be the reason Chapter 5's dark world happens

>>713415419
I want to smash my duck into her hollow eyes

>>713415415
I don't actually consider that image good evidence for FRIEND in UT, but I will say that Flowey's face is not permanently a grin and his natural expression is never described as creepy.

>>713415886
Coldwater is definitely related to Noelle's ice magic considering it's snowflakes, or it could just snow in the Light World
The religious connotation about the tears for Shadow Crystals begs the question, are those the Roaring Knights tears and do they cause innate madness? The Knight is cursed.

>>713415202
>>713415907
Chapter 4 from the Dark World on is fucking perfect. It managed to invoke a level of childlike wonder and excitement in me that only a small handful of games have ever managed to. I cannot fucking wait to see how the story progresses.

>>713416032
>duck
Chris...

Kris is kind of a pussy
(You) wouldn't pull half this shit with Frisk

>>713415465
Chara 100% killed Asriel in the genocide route.
>Chara died because Asriel didn't want to follow their plan
>Chara starts following Asriel's plan when brought back
>Asriel doesn't like his own plan either, too bad, Chara keeps going
>Chara finds out Asriel fucking warned Asgore to absorb the souls
>Asriel nearly got Chara killed and their plan foiled, again
>Asriel then destroys Asgore's soul, trapping the both of them underground
>Asriel starts lying to Chara's face after he's already been found out by them
>Asriel has the fucking gall to beg Chara for his life, in his original voice
999 years ran out.

>>713415898
This implies video game cruelty potential where you can make the knight slap kris in the back of the head forever

>>713416046
The only issue I had with chapter 4 is the ambush during the solo Kris section.
Its not hard but if your not expecting it, it can set you back to before the climbing section.

>>713412497 (OP)
>>713412714
Gaster didn't erase Onion, the universe did.

>>713415898
Pretty sure (You) would hop over to Susie or Noelle at this point

>>713416095
Frisk wouldn't fight us in the first place, he's cool with genociding if we want to
He only shows any sort of resistance when the True Lab shower curtain is spooking the absolute shit out of him

>>713415425
There are some cultural things I'm definitely wondering about. I know a lot of Japanese people chose the option where you tell Ralsei to keep smiling.
Also, more broadly, wondering what Japanese people took away from the church service. Given how few Christians there are in Japan I can't imagine too many of them were able to appreciate the authenticity of the scene.

>>713416117
That's how Susie and Ralsei wins. Knight bitchslaps her teammate so hard he gets swooned

>>713415880
Few things in gaming have made me uncomfortable, but the thought of hurting Susie fills me with dread.
I wonder what Ralsei would do in this scenario. Would he try to stop it? Or just fence sit knowing this is a necessary event.

>>713414654
>Ralsei
>Israel
TOBY!!!!!

>>713415976
Same.

>>713415992
He's working with Gaster, even in Deltarune
>transitions between screens without moving in Chapter 4
>Keeps Toriel from the Dark Sanctuary
>Keeps an eye on her while she's alone
>Gathers clues and learns about the town as a new resident
The reveal is coming, Goat Mom Pussy wasn't his goal

>>713415791
Wait I thought it was Heartbreak that was originally made first, and was called "Joker Battle" and Toby said he made it for something else?

>>713416169
I think the keep smiling section they take more as a "never give up" kinda thing.

I really just want to kill Susie, I don't like her

>>713413894
>The robot body dess uses is our Vessel, which they stole, thus kicking our soul into Kris

>Kisses Bratty
>Dances with Catty
>Dates Dess
Damn bro Asriel has some fucking game.

>>713414954
Why am I on Kris' penis

>>713413934
Any UT references to FRIEND are so vague they could all be referring to Chara instead.

Honestly I'm not sure if Toby had FRIEND planned all along. He is nowhere in Chapter 1 and, if anything, there was far more hints about Gaster being the one who drove Jevil insane (both Jevil and Seam resemble Gaster, as does Roulxs Kaard).

>>713416287
I want Noelle to FREEZE Susie in the COLDEST block of ice, the ultimate broken bond that gives her the GREATEST power

>>713415992
He's gonna be in Kris's manifesto.

>>713416273
I suppose you COULD interpret it that way even in English...

>>713416364
you're nothing but whore-moans

>>713416105
>Asriel then destroys Asgore's soul, trapping the both of them underground
Genuinely what did he think this would accomplish? I get he was freaking out because Chara was scaring him but that was so fucking retarded
Also what do you MEAN "please don't kill me" BITCH YOU CAN JUST GO IN THE GROUND

>Fucks your mom

>>713416346
Because Kris is a conduit for the player's soul, and your horny projection's aim is dogshit. You were supposed to land on Ralsei’s hat, but the game’s will said “nah, you ride or die with the knife kid now.” Enjoy the spiritual gender crisis while fused to a traumatized teen with a questionable home life.

I'm sorry for being so out of it but does Deltarune have anything to do with Undertale. Like have the chapters given clear and explicit hints there is a connection (besides reusing characters) and not YouTuber content-farming connections.

I kinda don't want to play the game until everything is done. These drip-fed releases tend to shit themselves and nothing that's setup ends up being well done and there's just nothing but asspulls like the final season of TV where they scramble to create drama for the people who haven't been paying attention.

>>713415992
Yes
Papyrus, however, will not be

>>713416191
i feel like in that situation ralsei would try to get in between them to try and stop it physically
by this point he knows that you can't solve everything with words, and he wants to avert the prophecy, not fulfill it

>>713416314
>fucks half of the town's chicks
>always depicted as a fag in art
what do you call this

Susie will get BETRAYED by Noelle and FROZEN in the HYPERBOLIC DARK WORLD BUNKER with Undyne for 122522021997 YEARS

>>713416414
It's crazy how much Deltarune ruined people's image of Sans. I don't think I've ever seen a fanbase turn on a character so hard.

>>713415898
>>713416149
>kris' ACTs for the fight are Check, X-Slash, and HoldBreath
>you're able to HOLD YOUR BREATH, HEAD TO THE LEFT, AND COUNT BACKWARDS TO 100 in order to make the soul slowly walk over to susie/ralsei's command menu similar to how you get to the ch3 egg room, completely flipping the battle

>>713416438
Sans and Gaster pretty heavily imply they are connected

>>713416482
Cool concept but the schizoboss is gonna be Ralsei-focused

>>713416314
His competition was nice cream (gay) and pizza. The game was rigged from the start.

>>713416478
Twitter brain.

How significant was the red eye in this moment?

>>713416541
That same mentality is what lead us to Mike

>>713416046
This is the power of someone who's both really good at what he does and really passionate about it. You're lucky to find creatives who are even one of the two.

>>713413296
I didn't know kris was an anthro bitch...

>>713416541
It's still chara plant who just wants the opportunity to kill Asriel again.

>>713416483
>It's been like a year since the schizo stopped
>The Cerobafag is still mindbroken

>>713416581
Red eyes aren't actually Kris's thing it's just something that happens whenever you have a knife on you

>>713416546
What's ice cream guy's end game? Catfish Burger Pants Indefinitely? Surely he's gonna find out eventually and kill him and/or himself.

>>713416504
it's funny

>>713416581
susie has yellow sclera and red iris or something, who knows
kris just has red isis'

>>713415418
It feels like if Susie doesn't gets Gerson's training, when she finds out she isn't involved in the prophecy alongside knowing Kris and Ralsei are working behind her back, she might actually snap.
I believe Susie's piano story is going to parallel what ends up happening to her eventually in the future

Onion-san is a cute. I want to kiss her.

>>713416581
The power of SOUL shining.

>>713416438
The Deep Lore very strongly hints at a connection but it's still up in the air whether that'll be important to the main plot

>>713416634
I'm not in whatever retarded Yellow characterfag war is going on I just think BETRAYED and TRAPPED posting is funny

>>713416679
>her

>>713416581
it's about as serious to me as when toby took the underground railroad to negrotown

>>713413213
>heaven is a time loop
Groundhog Day Chapter 6 here we come.

>>713416652
It is, but as a Sans fan (at least of the Undertale version) it's pretty jarring.

>>713416679
Onion's a GIRL?

>>713416504
Speak for yourself, Sans is based for cucking Asgore

>>713416665
>Kris and the Knight were just members of ISIS all along

>>713416581
DETERMINATION

>>713414106
Gerson by far. Tropey or not, that old man is so cool.

catti is the one on the phone with Kris

>>713416046
Same bro. I beat chapter 3 and told myself I would just work my way to a stopping point for chapter 4 and come back to finish it later, but as soon as I got to Gerson and he has that yoda/mister miyagi vibe going on and started trying to teach Susie I could not stop playing. The Dark World itself was sick too, the collapsed towers that looked like the towers from Derse were and the entire aesthetic in general was great too. The end where Susie sees the true prophecy was great too. I want more interactions between Susie and the soul. She seems to be suspicious about it now. I also want to see more interactions between her and the real Kris. She clearly enjoys his company when hes not being pupeteered by us.

Red isn't fucking determination it's BALL GAME get it right

>>713413296
Truly, Deltarune is set in a better world than ours...
>>713413329
But they aren't really anthros, anon

>>713416742
Anyone can cuck Asgore, the universe cucks Asgore. Sans is slam dunking in the Fisher Price basketball hoop.

>>713416314
Why is he such a whore....

>>713413714
Everyone forgot about all the fire theming in Undetale too. Toby isn't exactly subtle sometimes.

>>713416773
>>713416790
A lot of tropes became tropes because they fucking rock.

>>713414826
I LOVE TV

>>713416758
So they're glowies?

As the years go by

So...what happened to Dess?

>>713416540
>>713416712
Right I get that they can imply all the shit they want but I'm asking if there's actual straight-line concrete examples that there's a connection.

It's a talentless hack move if by this point in the game, which I assume is like 80% done if they haven't actually given the player the full-on reveal as to what is going on. And that's the sense I get out of it. Undertale was good but Deltarune, if it exists in the same world, has to have by this point made it clear it IS in the same world. I think everyone is being setup for a shit ending because nobody can actually say what in Deltarune is a solid connection to Undertale and not just an echo.

It just looks like some FF4-we're-going-to-the-moon 90%-in anime bullshit that's happening with Deltarune.

I wonder if "the 1 ending" Toby talks about is the roaring ending the world, and we are trying to find a way to subvert that ending.

>>713416592
People like that used to be a lot more common before videogames started getting so corporatized. In the 2000's you couldn't go more than a week without a new timeless classic coming out.

I think Kris and Susie should be together because I love Susie as a character and I want her to have a happy ending and Kris would be a good fit for her to have said happy ending and they can have kids

>>713416917
toriel happened
what that means, not sure yet

>>713416934
Chapter 7 ends with a loop back to Chapter 1 and therefore isn't an ending
Snowgrave will be the only way to truly end the game but it's the worst ending for literally everyone

>>713413618
Based and same, Noelle needed cute feet.

>>713416842
The Dreemur bloodline needs to continue somehow.

>>713416924
>by this point in the game, which I assume is like 80% done
THE HALFWAY MARK HAS BEEN ATTAINED

>>713416924
We're at the halfway point. It's definitely not in the same world (that was clear from pretty much the start) but there's still plenty of time for a connection to show up.

>>713416438
>These drip-fed releases tend to shit themselves and nothing that's setup ends up being well done and there's just nothing but asspulls like the final season of TV where they scramble to create drama for the people who haven't been paying attention.

I mean if that's how you feel about it waiting until the entire games out isn't really gonna make you feel differently about the story.

>>713416917

>>713416991
She absolutely had something to with it
https://deltarune.com/lostwheretheforestwouldgrow
The sound effect that plays here is the first note of Fallen Down pitched down.
I noticed this before the chapters came out

Gerson mentions that there's only 6 chapters and the last was never written, but that the youth could finish the story with their own ending, the pen of hope Susie has. Therefore Susie's choices are crucial to what ending chapter 7 has, or even what it's about. It could be two completely divergent stories depending on normal/weird, and even more routes possibly with the eggs.

>>713416917

>>713416438
Yeah it does, i'd say its worth playing

>>713417025
PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME WAIT 11 YEARS FOR A CONCLUSION.

>>713417094
One ending, bub. Which means Susie will reject any outcome until she gets absolutely the best ending.

>>713416991
I didn't notice that the deer are actually facing the camera before, that's a little spooky.

>>713417082
Sorry anon, but I can't hear it even after editing the audio

>>713417094
What if it means that Toby will be found dead before chapter 7's release and it all turns into an ARG to find the last chapter of deltarune?

There is a timeline where Deltarune released all the chapters at the same time

>>713417184
It's gonna be Shadow Hearts again, where the bad ending of Shadow Hearts 1 leads to Shadow Hearts 2, which loops back to Shadow Hearts 1 and the good ending.

>>713416934
I imagine the ending refers to the fulfillment of the prophecy and every possible route will satisfy it in some way.

>>713417228
Yea, in 2030.

>>713417189
probably staring at kris, he probably knows exactly what happened, whether he wants to or not

>>713416997
There is no way there isn't a happy ending like True Pacifist.

>>713417239
Gaster says that we're here to make a new future.
Gerson says it's up to youth to write the last chapter.
Prophecy can go fuck itself.

>>713417228
remember when 2-5 was the original release plan and toby was going to stop development if the project took more than 7 years?
pepperidge farm remembers

>>713417184
>tfw everybody was so busy with all the ch4 shit that nobody noticed the susie shilling and havent realized that we've been relegated into the sidekick role
Kek

>>713416981
Based. I too believe they would make a good match.

>>713417228
The timeline no one sheds a tear for Ramb or lusts over that metronome thing cause they get buried under billion more relevant and interesting characters all at one time

>>713417184
>get the bad ending
>credits start to roll
>Susie tears the screen in half
>"Nah I don't like that ending, let's try again"
>resets your save file

>>713417228
That will functionally be our timeline after the game releases. Eventually, more people will have played the game after the full release than played it chapter by chapter. One day we will all be dead and the only people left playing it will have no connection to this fandom at all.

>>713417025
>>713417040
>We're at the halfway point.
God, we're just going to get Homestuck'd again.

>>713416997
>Chapter 7 ends with a loop back to Chapter 1
>but if certain conditions are satisfied, Kris and Susie regain their memories during locker scene
>"Hell yeah, our choices DO matter!"
>they already know what is going to happen, they have bunker codes, and they prevent any tragedy before it ever happens

>>713416981
Based. Krisusie is the ONLY acceptable ship.

>>713417337
it's going to be the cut opening for ch1
susie will be screaming at him to wake up

>>713417337
>Tenna kicking the end credits away was foreshadowing this

>Mary SUsiE

>>713414106
Spamton is arguably the stand out and most interesting and well written character

But Tenna is easily my favorite because I feel represented by him

>>713417383
Kris already has the bunker codes, and already knows everything that's going to happen. And they'll try to stop Susie from changing anything.

YOU will remember and SUSIE will remember, and the trick will be finding a chance to escape Kris and get into Susie, then run to the bunker.

>>713417337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhTiCAYqrnI

>>713415880
Eh. I kicked her ass in chapter 1, and I'll happily do it again.

Chapter 7 is gonna be closing the castle town fountain (the tragedy in the prophecy) to stop the roaring and killing all darkners in the process

>>713416650
It'll be hot prison gay sex.

>>713412497 (OP)
He fucked around and found out!

>>713417458
>finding a chance to escape Kris and get into Susie
When Kris throws us into the cuck cage at the end
We gotta push our way out of it and float over to Susie's house while Kris is asleep

>>713417458
Fuck off with that "EvilKris" garbage. One of the points would be to save Kris from that promise bondage.

>>713417493
This seems plausible because Susie made a special emphasis that Ralsei definitely wouldn't let the tragedy happen

>>713417493
>"Nah, we'ma do our own thing"

Would sealing Castle Town make it so no one can open Dark Fountains anymore

>>713416981
Me too but I think Kris also deserves love after all the shit he's been through

>>713417228
Honestly I think our timeline is more fun

I fucking hate Kris, that little shit working against ME when I'm the one doing all the heavy lifting
I might end up doing snowgrave just to spite the little mentally ill piece of shit

>>713417563
Ain't about Kris being evil, it's about Kris wanting everyone to have a guaranteed somewhat happy ending. Mark my words, the big conflict between Kris and Susie is going to be "you can't risk changing history" vs "fuck that let's break stuff."

>>713417320
We absolutely noticed. As long as it's kino (and so far it has been) I'm entirely fine with it.

https://youtu.be/RA65nEVwfQE?si=390hNoQhfnKGnO11
How much stuff you didn't know about?

>>713417614
Post yfw Gerson shows up in Castle Town, defying every single Darkner rule

>>713417369
I trust the dog.

>>713417320
People have been saying Susie is the real main character for years
It's just being officially stated for the ones in the back who didn't piece it together

>>713417320
>we've been relegated into the sidekick role
That's actually part of the reason why I enjoyed chapter 4 less than 3.

The most exciting thing about Deltarune, especially after the last two chapters, is that I have no idea where Toby is going with the story

I'm just wondering if he can stick the landing, especially after all the years of hype

Give me 10 minutes in the vessel, Gaster. That's all im asking.

>passing up on putting ring on doe wife
I hope you aren't one of those "people"

>>713416650
Nice cream will pull down his pants just enough to reveal his asshole but no more so pizza can't see his dick. Not gay.

>>713417809
Gaster wanted you to have the vessel, he's not the one who threw it in the garbage disposal and made you pilot the jaundiced smurf kid

>>713417369
Toby has proven me wrong enough now for me to trust the plan. Homestuck was death spiraling well before it reached its halfway point.

>>713417780
Makes me wonder if 6/7 will release together or if they'll be solo releases. I feel like 7 releasing solo will mean people will have theorized the ending beforehand, but 6/7 together would mean it'd be much harder to do so with two chapters to predict

>>713417656
>you can't risk changing history
He already did that when he slashed the car tires in chapter 2. In fact, he did that when he allowed Susie to participate in the story even though she is clearly an alien element in it.

>>713417493
I doubt that's it because I don't think Ralsei would be so terrified of you and Susie finding that out. He's pretty open about darkeners not being real and only existing to serve lighteners. Given Susie's reaction it's probably something involving the girl, since I don't think she would be putting on a brave face if it was someone else on the line.

Deltarune is a story about breaking a curse

>>713412497 (OP)
/v/, need help. How the FUCK do you write dialogue for this guy? Is there any common words he says that get salesman-ified? Is it just random? Do I just kill myself?

You roll out of bed tomorrow to discover that you have become Toby Fox. What is the first thing you do?

>>713417898
If FRIEND is indeed an alien element trying to trick you into changing history, then it changed it loooong ago. Susie is probably a best-case replacement for Dess, and the tire slashing was to force the story to get back on track since there was "supposed" to be a sleepover on that day. What we're seeing is an attempt at course correction, not an attempt at changing things.

I'm actually falling in love with Susie as a character. I didn't like her much in the first two chapters but seeing her come to terms with the Darkner thing and being tutored by Gerson and face the prophecy was really endearing.
If anything is going to stop me from finishing the weird route, it's going to be Susie. I have the feeling that by the end of the game our relationship with Susie is going to be more motivating than anything in Undertale.

>>713418019
Kill myself

>>713417815
If the wife has the ring I can't melt it down into valuable material for pawning (Twisted Sword).

Vs. Susie (Reprise) for Susie in the normal route
MEGALOVANIA for Susie in the weird route

>>713418019
Lick Temmies feat.

>>713417780
I'm already having second doubts that this drip-feed is setting my expectations for something I'm not going to enjoy
For instance, in the titan spawn fight before the titan crawl segment, the line
>When did you start being yourself?
pops up, and when I was 'in the moment' I thought it was Kris "waking up", like when your emotions start returning to you when you finally beat that journey of depression and come out through the other side feeling alive, but instead someone pointed out to me that it might be a line a therapist asks you about "when did you form your own identity" and that burned my fucking wings like Icarus.
This may be poorly explaining it, but I vastly preferred my original interpretation.

>>713418110
it's be the axe of justice.

>>713418027
>Susie is probably a best-case replacement for Dess
Supply closet dark fountain was clearly laid out as a trap for Noelle, Susie went there completely by accident.
>force the story to get back on track since there was "supposed" to be a sleepover on that day
The prophecy for chapter 3 is not about sleepover, it's about "Lord of Screens getting cleaved". Susie was not required for that, she only made things harder for Knight.

>>713418147

>>713417894
There's absolutely going to be a chapter 8 anon

>>713418131
What feature?

>>713417951
SILLY [Little Sponge]
YOU JUST [Grab It By The Strings] AND GO [[BIG]] OR GO [Return To Homepage]

Why the fuck is Bit Roots an 8 bit rendition of the Queen's basement?
How the fuck are all these things connected?

>>713418193

Why was Undyne immediately able to and familiar with using spears when she appears in the dark world?

>>713418243

>>713418213
THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU [100% Authentic] SALESMAN.

>>713418019
Get back into my own self and then kill myself.

>>713417737
so that's how you get Susie to break that vase.

People always say "Megalovania is too memey and associated with Sans to take seriously" but actually picture the pantsshitting moment when you realize you're hearing the Halloween Hack/Homestuck version's slow intro buildup

>>713418265
Because the cops, the Holidays, and the Church have years of experience with Dark Worlds.

>>713416790
I kinda knew something about a Titan since I was hanging around these threads at release but
>mfw it actually emerged from the petrified fountain that animation was so good
>mfw we have to CLIMB THE FUCKING THING

>>713418243
"roots" may not be "trees" , but may be "cables" interpreted as being root-like

>>713418045
I feel the same, though I'm not going to bother with the weird route

>>713418265
Why does Susie immediately know how to swing an axe properly or Berdly his Halberd?
I think it's just Dark World shenanigans

>>713418243
ROOTS

>>713418246
And then they take turns mating pressing each other. While holding hands and kissing.

>>713418318
I learned about the Titan because I read through a bit of a wiki page before I was done like a fucking dolt and I was on edge the entire time during Second Sanctuary because I thought Susie was starting the roaring by making a new fountain while there's still one in the other room

Man it's gonna hurt like hell when Susie finds out Kris set her up to be the sacrificial lamb for the prophecy in order to spare Noelle.

>>713418197
Ten little piggies.

>>713418045
>>713418341
weird route unironically serves as a "give me more information" thing than an "evil route" DESU
There's going to be key information to a good end in the Weird Route that people who don't do it are going to cuck themselves out of the experience of finding it by letting the real gamers do it for them

>>713418265
Not really? When Undyne gets taken by the Knight they pass by shit ton of spears. I think she was messing around with her abilities and figuring it out before she actually decided to help

>>713417815
SEXOOOO

I'm curious if it's just me, but does anyone suspect that Toby was inspired by the Orz for Spamton's speech quirks?

I don't know if it's (speech quirk) especially common in media, but Star Control is a very influential game and the writing absolutely would appeal to Toby.

>>713418362
AAAAAAAAAAA

>>713418265
was she? i thought the long trail of spears was her trying to get used to the sudden realization she could make magic spears

>>713418019
Make a scene where Kris is explicitly revealed to be male and very hung and virile.

Krusie is so dead lmao

i'm too lazy to test it out but can you "level up" Susie's healing spell on chapters 2&3 or is it only a chapter 4 thing?

>>713418362
I think I might become the new chapter's schizoboss by the time chapter 5 drops

Doe love

>>713418246

>>713418463
Bait to get niggas to reply with Krusie pics (it's going to work)

>>713418469
God I hope you don't have to max it out in order for Susie to heal Rudy.

>>713418469
I think you can on 3 but regardless the best time to do it would be in Chapter 4 against the Weather Couple dojo fight or Gerson

>>713417320
Was everyone completely blind to the SOUL kino or what?

>>713416201
Asriel was even more on the nose
Literally just one letter swap

I don't care if Kris and Susie end up as a couple or not, just that they continue to be best friends and share their gremlin energy
Them pouring the juice into each other's faces was the best fucking scene in chapter 4

>>713418045
Same. Susie is not only fun to watch develop as a character, but every scene where she spills her heart out to Kris or the other characters makes me that much more DETERMINED to help her fulfill her wish and break the prophecy. She deserves a happy ending with Kris

>>713418463
What happened? Someone posted another Suselle sprite edit on twitter and tried to pass it off as "cut content"?

>>713418469
You can in 3 but it resets in 4 after Ralsei calls her healing retarded.

>>713418426
Star Control is based but I doubt it was an inspiration, it's not weeby enough for Toby who I can't remember ever citing ANY Western game as inspiration (although I just woke up so I'm probably wrong). Spamton's dialogue is meant to imitate shitty spam mail sent through machine translations mixed with back when email servers (and forums, etc) would automatically underline or put links into [brackets] to show it was a link rather than rely on color or mouseover.
>the same Toys for Bob that made SC is the one that made the shitty Spyro remaster 30 years later
wack

>>713418470
Everywhere I look, everything I see can be traced back to fucking Mike/FRIEND. I feel like I'm starting to go crazy but it really all does just go back to that fucking evil cat.

>>713418147

>>713418265
i dunno, why'd susie know rude buster out of the gate?

>>713418243
>Why the fuck is Bit Roots an 8 bit rendition of the Queen's basement?
The song there is called Digital Roots.

>>713418485
>you will never get hugs from a girl one head taller
i want to die more and more every day and i don't know why i'm here

>>713418348
Susie's just a berserker and Berdley's a true gamer who has been educated in the use of every weapon by vidya

Weird route is both freedom and playing into the prophecy's hands at once.
The ability to kill with Noelle is indeed a form of freedom, since you can't without her, but that route is exactly what the original prophecy was.
Susie's presence as the new second hero has already derailed it off that path to an extent, Snowgrave just course corrects it back on.
(You) have freer choices, but that doesn't make you free from the prophecy, rather the opposite.

>>713418045
I'd like to see her actually change her Light World behavior a little, outside of people she's going on magic adventures with like Kris. It's making it feel like the Light World and its inhabitants are fucking pointless between-chapter filler and backstory and that all of it doesn't matter compared to the fantasy worlds of make-believe that ostensibly exist to keep the Light World in balance. But also escapism is bad and don't get too invested and the Lightners are REAL and yadda yadda. Just feels a little off to me.

>>713418618
My theory as to how Toby may have come across it, particularly in the more olden Internet days, wouldn't be through the quirky writing, though that would appeal to him, but rather the LGBT representation. We do know even back when Tony had a fixation on LGBT characters.

Though that's a good point, is a Western game ever referenced in Toby's works at any point? There are obvious references to Nintendo games and Touhou, and even Western gaming culture, but Western games? Closest I can think of is the CDi Zelda games, which is more of a technicality

>>713418019
you shouldn't have made me reply since this is my autistic fever dream I had when I got sick shortly after playing Deltarune
I NEED this scene so bad or I'm going to make a story and a vidya just for this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhzuNmMi-k
>instead of that puu(the blue little animal), it's the SOUL nursing Kris
>Danger [OFF SCREEN] is about to [GAME OVER] the SOUL, Kris, not currently being controlled by us, can see the danger we can't
>[SAVES] (You), the duo officially established
I'm determined to get this scene either through myself or if Toby is just going to feel my brainwave vibes or steal this from this thread
I sweat thinking of this scene, I feel so autistic

>>713412497 (OP)

>>713418723
So fucking real it's insane
>tfw precisely average male height
>this means that statistically, about 98% of women are my height or shorter
just kill me mike

>>713418848
The ultimate full circle for Deltarune would be one of its fans making a game inspired by an autistic feverdream

>>713418639
>>713418362
Wild guess: Much like how Tenna's game was written over an older, darker game, the world of Deltarune is written over something older.
Roots has to do with that older game, and Smile is from it, poking at the seams hah for reasons unknown.

>>713417737
>14:57
So... what happens if you didn't meet the original Starwalker in previous chapters?

So did Asgore put down Dess like a rabid deer? I feel like the idiot kids did something stupid and made Dess' soul get lost, and her body got possed by a demon or something. Maybe this adds more credence to the Dess(body) is knight theory?

>>713417780
i'm gonna be honest, it isn't very often if ever that a story ends up finished in a pleasing manner if exactly halfway through you have no fucking idea where it's going. when you're 50% in and still have more questions than answers and absolutely fuck-all to go on other than batshit schizo theories that are all equally insane until they're all nullified at once, it sounds like an author making shit up as he goes.

>>713418673

>>713418610
Every scene where Susie tried to open up to Noelle was painful. I refuse to believe it wasn't written that way on purpose.
>"You know, I like to imagine myself as a giant monster destroying the city..."
>"faha you tail is funny X)"
>"I used to play Dragon Blazers 2, but I had to steal the game..."
>"Oh, Susie! Behave! X)"
>"I played Evil Route on accident because I didn't knew how to be nice to people..."
>"Faha Susie we should play games together X)"

I realized just now finishing my recruit everyone run, Toby added drums in the Sans/Toriel scene, making it look less like Sans is fucking Toriel and more like he's telling bad jokes and Toriel is laughing at them

>>713418997
I wonder if you still hug Ralsei unprompted in chapter 4 if you never hugged him before that.

>>713415698
That 1 HP is going to be instrumental in defending against a schizo attack in the future

>>713417762
i think kris is more interesting doing his weird conspiracy shit than he is as a conventional hero. puppeteering a guy with mysterious ulterior motives who sort-of hates you is much more interesting than just puppeteering a hero who wants your help like in oneshot, or a regular rpg protagonist.

>>713418975
Not him but while you're true to a point, the fact is that every single time Tobiax has pulled it off. Chapter 2, 3, 4, I mean shit even 1 to its credit are great, unpredictable, fun and interesting. This isn't quite a Scott Cawthon situation where he literally did make shit up as he went along even out of spite, Tobiax has intent, its just one made specifically to engage

>>713418961
They followed the pointed tail.

This line made me giggle like an idiot.

>>713418847
Minecrap and Amogus.

That's it. That's the West to Toby "Ladiationu" Fox.

>>713416231
Papyrus is literally out of his house getting ready to bust out Undyne

>>713419090
Kris seeing (You) as a means to an end for his plan, or whatever "event" is going to come up does add some spice it up
it helps that Kris' design is very, very appealing
Generic, with just enough room to "move around"

>>713417737
So Rouxls is in Board 1...

KERDLYCHADS RISE UP

>>713419163
I had mentally blocked out both of those man

>>713419086
can confirm, didn't hug Ralsei because I knew Kris just finds that shit weird
very nice surprise to see him lean into comforting Ralsei

Dess being controlled by someone else would parallel Kris, Snowgrave Noelle and Claus at the same time

>>713418243
Anon, both of them are the first three notes of the Omega Flowey battle theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUcThHVbrXY

>>713419143
So Sorry is the true antagonist of Deltarune?
Seriously who has a pointed tail that's also a lightner?
Or is it just a metaphor for the devil?

>>713419158
when does this happen? i don't remember any instances where toriel's sitting like that while susie is following you (and while tenna is gone).

>>713419019
>leaving the parts out where Noelle keeps FORCING shit with Susie
>"FAHA seems like I knew you since forever thanks to vidya games that you barely played XD"
>"FAHA Susie lets raise this rat thing we found together please say yes"

My biggest schizo theory is that we're going to see reverse interactions between chapters. Like, you go back to an earlier chapter with items or knowledge from later chapters and can break the prophecy even harder than in Snowgrave

>>713419251
I'm fucking telling you man, it ALL comes back to FRIEND.

I wonder when the Ch 5 newsletters will start. Will we get more ARG shit? It's pretty crazy how he just hid the Ch 4 Egg Room stuff on the site. Also the "Thank you" with the red dot.

>>713419101
>admitting to playing and falling for engagement bait
after 3 chapters of no one guessing anything right and even being made fun of with the mike/friend inside stuff, why even bother theorizing at this point? it's clear everything will be subverted or so far out of left field that no one could reasonably expect it.

>>713419261
After church and before going to Noelle's

>>713419307
You can carry around Lancer as a key item
Imagine for a moment

The fact he made mantleguy summon multiple FRIENDs just served to ignite the shit out of my schizotheory brain
If FRIEND was just one singular thing it'd be harder to imagine it puppeteering everything

>>713419101
this is what i believe too, but i have to acknowledge that we might get rugged. like the guy said, there've been many talented writers who wound up a big mystery without any good answers planned and let the whole thing slip through their fingers on live tv as they shucked and jiveed and deluded themselves. it happened to hussie, it happened to david lindeloff, it happened to GRRM, arguably it even happened to david lynch with twin peaks season 2. it could happen to toby.

>>713415418
>and ralsei
wait he's working with him too?

>>713419213
A TRUE SCHOLAR OF THE ROUEX-KARD UNCHRONICLES. The man didn’t just invent puzzles, he invented STYLE. While you fools were drawing fanart of Berdly’s gamer chair, Kerdlychads studied the blade (of smugness and box-constructing).

Mark my words, he’s coming back in Chapter 5 with an upgraded title: "Semantic Obfuscator Supreme." And he’ll trap Spamton in a contract made entirely of TOS popups.

>>713419357
ah, that explains it. i never thought to go back to kris' house in that timeframe.

>>713419213
There are still many doubts about Suselle, but one thing is clear - new chapters destroyed Kerdly completely, thoroughly and with extreme prejudice.
>prospect of going to festival with Berdly makes Kris more traumatized than the whole Spamton Neo fight
>"breeze under the wings" was a complete joke and Burghly thought he was saying it to Susie anyway

>>713419340
I mean sure, the tail is bad news according to all counts, but we don't know of anything that fits the bill well at all.

>>713418847
>>713419163
There are also like two FNAF references in Deltarune. I'm not even joking.

>>713419226
Ralsei following up with a complement specifically for Kris and not (You) was also a nice touch.

>>713419358
>Susie saying she hoped we could get 2 Lancers in Chapter 3

>>713419386
he IS a filthy darkner

>>713419251
>>713419340
If it isn't friend that leaves:
>Alphys (not implausible, if she was doing dark amalgamate experiments in the bunker)
>Susie
>Susie's dad - interesting because King may be based on him and he has the most devil-like tail of any character thus far

Also notably , the intro of Breath of Fire II of all games features the party following a pointed tail made of spheres through a cave and then ending up in a "Dark world". Toby's an old jrpg nerd i could see this being inspiration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-JK6Xa9yc&t=746s

>>713418870
Kris is eventually going to rip (You) out and kill Susie.

>>713419251
with all the wink wink nudge nudge comments about Susie's tail, I'm starting to think her tail may be pointed.

>>713419409
...have you seen what Burghley says if you give him the Wrong Number Song?
I though that's why anyone was shipping them to begin with.

>>713419431
Interestingly enough in my recent playthrough Ralsei never said that, even though I comforted him and told him it was okay not to smile
I found that quite weird

>>713419361
1. It summons five FRIENDs at once, FRIEND is a hand so that's five fingers.

2. If the Mikes are puppets, they say that they made more Mikes to keep up with Tenna's needs. We already know that Mike can at least split into two entities (eyes and mouth) and probably three if the body is its own entity, and if they can make more puppets then god knows how many Mikes there can be at once.

>>713419410
The tail is FRIEND's tail, since Cat Petterz creatures like FRIEND are made of circles.

>>713418847
he referenced homestuck
spamton's design is inspired by snow miser
the whole of hometown is full of new england-ey americana

>>713417737
Checking up his past video, it seems there are even subtle changes in multiple playthroughs, like Pippins saying there's an extra key around
Toby is up to something...

>>713419463
Kris doesn't want to kill her
He's not just a mindless evil slave to the Knight, he's in a fucked up Triple Trucies
He wasn't ever supposed to get sentimental with Susie, just like Lancer wasn't

>>713419481
>with all the wink wink nudge nudge comments about Susie's tail, I'm starting to think her tail may be pointed.

I liked the theory that someone posted a while ago:

>Susie's dad, who's a big fat asshole dragon was framed for killing dess because the witnesses reported a pointed tail

>it was actually FRIEND

>>713419386
I mean, he's seemingly in Kris' side and we all know who that little fucker is working for.

>>713419409
Too many people ended up *liking* Berdly due to his Chapter 2 performance, especially as a boss trying to defend his friend from (You) in Snowgrave, and for that, Berdly must be course corrected and punished with 6 chapters of total irrelevance and making Susie look cool when she speaks for Noelle on the phone because Noelle is actually trying to be nice instead of a shitheel. Not even death was enough to save him from being the whipping boy.

>>713418870
When she says "Kris", she means You.

>>713419461
I don't think it's Alphys considering she just came into town recently after Gerson's death and by the time she came, the shelter was already shut down and abandoned

>>713419386
Probably not directly but he does know what is going on to some degree and he's very aware of (You) and Kris being different people.

>>713419481
Yes, but the little descriptive material we have about the tail makes it sound like it's very much unlike Susie's tail. To the point where it seems like a forceful push so as to not conflate them.

>>713415418
It's going to be like how she reacted to Whoriel being an alcoholic. Even the things without (You)r involvement might be questionable.

>>713418045
I don't agree. I feel like chapter 4 is making her into too much of a Mary Sue.

>>713419461
>interesting because King may be based on him
Can we lay rest to this already? We already learned his backstory in chapter 3, he has nothing to do with Susie whatsoever.

>>713419386
He knows you're there.

>>713419508
those aren't video games, anon

>>713419353
You do it for the love of the game and because you're a gamer. Nobody predicted Tenna until he got revealed but people did speculate plenty on Snowgrave, on Dess being the knight which seems soft confirmed, on Noelle being a freak which is definitely confirmed, on Freedom and more. This isn't a youtube short where it loops satisfyingly, it's a story at its core, and above all you're engaged because you're engaged, not because there's some subliminal messaging about doe pussy or the like.

I didn't "fall" for it, it was engaging by intent and design. People have guessed shit, gotten things right, its just also people often get shit deadass wrong and go too far with what they're given.
>>713419378
It's possible but unlikely. Toby is too autistic for his own good sometimes, and I think he has both matured over time and as a person post injury given his general quality of writing. After all, Kriselle has become much more of a thing and people are starting to notice when confronted with examples that yeah Suselle is sorta written like shit on purpose. Man made it his mission to be able to cuck the doe out of Susie repeatedly, its potent stuff.

>Play Deltarune like a normal person
>All this autistic bullshit going on that I'm not even remotely aware of because I don't talk to every character a million times or backtrack or replay the game 10 times or hug every pixel

>>713419508
>snow miser
huh.

>>713415029
I'll just point out my old post again because I'm a huge faggot

>>713418045
I disagree. Liking characters means wanting to watch how they react in all situations, even sad/tragic ones.

>>713419506
>1. It summons five FRIENDs at once, FRIEND is a hand so that's five fingers.
F
U
C
K
And "hands" were all over the Spamton NEO fight too.
IM GONNA LOSE IT

>>713419213
I'll fucking flip if Toby winds up using "m'theydy"

>>713419607
It's mostly about looking through the extra materials like Noelle's blog, honestly.

>>713418870
Man, Ralsei's expression is so well done here.

>>713419607
it's not really that complex, you probably already internalized most of what we're talking about and just didn't critically think about it
listen, I'm retarded, but even I was able to piece some things together when chapter 3 just came out swinging with
>THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ICE MAGIC
shit sticks with you and makes you wanna know more, homie

>>713419481
susie's tail is a little nub though, she would never show it to anyone because she's extremely insecure about it
noelle only knows about it because she was staring at her ass every time they were together in ch2 and noticed it moving when susie got excited
the prophecy for the tail of hell is a long one, so it can't be susie's

>>713419481
>"love finds its way to the girl"
>"the tail which must not be followed"
>noelle is in love with susie and is following her fucking tail (susie wouldn't know about the LOVE double meaning)
She's going to think letting Noelle love her is playing into the Prophecy's traps, isn't she

>>713419607
Did you hug the wall in Chapter 4

>>713419589
She's still flawed. It's just:
>Here's your paladin bro

>>713419607
You didn't beat the game

>>713419554
LOL no she is not aware of (You) at all. She only just thought to ask Kris about his soul after you seal the titan and she loses that train of thought pretty quick.

>>713419654
>5 hands on the left as well
TOOOOOOBYYYYYY

>>713419640
That's a different kind of love.

>>713419654
FINGERS COMING FROM THE ENDS OF THE PHONE

>>713417951
I'll take a crack at giving a tip. For his interrupted speech, I'd categorize the replacement dialogue into 4 groups:
>1. Wires crossed. Most commonly, he says something similar to what he means, but not quite. Bonus points if it's sales related or from his personal experience. Like [[Bargain Prices]] instead of "short" or [[Commemorative Ring]] instead of "celebration".
>2. Tourette's. He accidentally says something way worse or darker yet darker than he means. A glimpse into his shattered mind. Like [[HeartShapedObject]] instead of "SOUL" or [[Home Sweet Home]] instead of "dumpster".
>3. Cry for help. He either reveals how pathetic he feels or projects his own miserable state onto someone else. Shit like [[Discomfort And Abdominal Pain]] or [[It Burns! Ow! Stop! Help Me! It Burns!]].
>4. Random words. Sometimes his words are just [[bracketed]] for no reason.
Add in the occasional grammatical error, nervous tick, and shameless selfishness, and that'll be a good start.

>>713419598
Sure, we know Noelle and Kris created him. But who is he based on? We know Queen was a mix of Toriel and Carol's traits, so it stands to reason to assume his origin is something similar.

>>713419725
He means that she doesn't realize there's a difference between (You) and Kris yet, and she's really talking about (You) without knowing it.

>>713419728
>>713419654
Why does it look like only one of the 5 hands on the "lemon bread serpent" part is human and the others are clawed?

>>713419605
>I didn't "fall" for it, it was engaging by intent and design
It's engagement bait and you indeed fell for it. Imagine having a bunch of people salivating so hard that they burn through all their crackpot theories and THEN you get them hooked again with something even fuckier. It's a drug for advertising and fandom.

>>713419654
I'M LOSING MY FUCKING MIND OVER HERE

>>713419604
just saying, he's clearly got a lot of appreciation for western culture. he's just a weeb when it comes to games.

>>713419765
Speaking of Lemon Bread hey you remember the Knight's box splitting attack

>>713419753
A HAND THAT WAITS UNTIL YOU'RE ALL ALONE
>Mike abandons Spamton as soon as he tries to share with Tenna
>FRIEND only appears when you're alone or in the dark

>>713419765
It's just the way they're drawn, here's another frame with clenched fists.

>>713414106
Jackenstein

>>713419684
People to this day overcomplicate it.

Susie is the bringer of damnation. She is the Dragon. She is the motivating factor of the story. She is the Protagonist, breaking rules at her own whim. To fall for her and follow her tail is the real error of anyone's ways.

>>713419757
that's actually helpful, thank you!

>>713419654
Uhh the weird 5 handed monster has a pointed tail?????

>>713419607
you're supposed to watch theory videos and read tumblr blogs, stupid. how else are you gonna hear the next words from the person lost in the game code? (laugh) it's a social media collusive event, like homestuck. (laugh)
>>713419665
the blog is no longer canon, it was too hard to write into the game proper. (laugh)

>>713419759
>But who is he based on?
Clearly not on a person they couldn't have possibly seen at this point. Susie is new in town, King and Queen were created when Kris and Noelle were little kids.

I wonder why do I not see anyone talk about this moment? not only this is moments confirms us that other people can actually see the soul but also that the soul itself is what can kill the titan and likely the thing that can close the fountains (and probably this is why kris still needs it)

>>713414850
I think that's basically the case. The "Mike" people theorized about just Tenna himself.

>>713419759
king sorta shows some asgore and rudy traits when heis jailed, he loves his son and is pretty cordial with queen, and i think king trying to spook them about their next opponent only to learn they'd already been dealt with is something that would happen to asgore, he seems like the type to be bad at hiding a surprise
the years of being abandoned made him bitter, is all

>>713419830
Anon, that one hand still looks way different from the others

>>713419759
Asgore and Rudy, I'd guess. There's something going on with King that he's refusing to talk about.

>>713419548
i don't mind him being a joke character because it's a really fucking funny joke

Chapter 5 flowey vs ralsei solo schizoboss
Woodykeks on suicide watch

>>713419680
Another proof that Noelle just lusts for Susie while projecting her missing sister on her
BUT IT'S OKAY TO BE A CREEP WEIRDO SINCE SHE'S A GIRL LIKE TOBY LEARNED WITH ALPHYS

Is the eye you see in the Knight's torso when it roars FRIEND too

>>713419925
Because Susie says "Hey what the fuck is that?" well before the fight and we've known the SOUL is needed to close fountains since the start.

>>713419548
I believe in my GOAT.

>>713419805
>he's clearly got a lot of appreciation for western culture.
Really? Fucking really? Any appreciation he has is somehow reverse-gaijin'd into the same "haha weird fantasy-Americans and their burgers hiding horrible things under a small town" thing that Earthbound does. Like literally that's all it is. There's no genuine appreciation there, it's just the same old JRPG setting with a slightly more modern coat of mismatched paint. The height of Western civilization to Toby is Homestar Runner.

>>713419846
if following susie is wrong, i don't wanna be right.
i WILL help her utterly shit on the prophecy, i WILL probably get banished from the world for my efforts, and everyone WILL be happy.

>>713419925
>(and probably this is why kris still needs it)
I guess the question is why they need to open the fountains to begin with, because it's clear the Knight doesn't actually want to start the Roaring (at least not yet). It knew we would seal that Titan, and if the Roaring was its goal it could have apparently kicked it off whenever it wanted.

>>713419925
the situation was intense, we don't know if the rules there apply outside
but it IS interesting Susie is with us every time we seal a fountain and carried Kris with her into the Titan to expose herself to the SOUL more
With the way Susie and Kris are framed falling around the SOUL, they may actually end up fighting for (You) at some point

>>713420000
QUADS OF TRUTH
THUS BEGINS THE AGE OF BIRDBY

>>713420018
>The height of Western civilization to Toby is Homestar Runner.
I mean... he's got a point there.

>>713419783
>Imagine having a bunch of people salivating so hard that they burn through all their crackpot theories and THEN you get them hooked again with something even fuckier. It's a drug for advertising and fandom.

Anon, it's called a good story. Do you think a good mystery novel is engagement slop? Do you think people speculating between books is a psyop? I get we're in an age where this is rampant but the base mechanics of excitement and anticipation predate its mass monetization through any means possible, this is base human creativity when faced with a vacuum. The whole point is to make sense of it by inherent design and try to attune to the same wavelength, its not "engagement bait", it's base human instinct and behaviour, it came free alongside your need to fuck a girl and raise a family.

>>713419940
you don't get tired of the same joke over and over? berdly is like forcing yourself to watch big bang theory or some shit. why?

>>713419965
the game doesn't portray it as a particularly good thing, susie keeps telling noelle to forget and not talk about it
honestly if toby does pull a 'suselle was written poorly on purpose to create drama at the festival' then that would be a great firing point for susie, she hasn't told anyone about having a tail, not even kris, but noelle keeps insistently trying to sneak a peak at it when susie is clearly uncomfortable about it

>>713419548
>Side character isn't as important in later chapters
>This is an intentional conspiracy theory because he's not WOKE enough
He literally has a whole character arc and then, like Noelle, thinks it's a dream, but even then he is obviously much nicer to them but is playing it off because of his 'superior' persona.

Berdly is Alphys but actually likable

>>713420047
>but it IS interesting Susie is with us every time we seal a fountain
I thought she wasn't present when we closed the fountain in weird route's chapter 2

>>713420018
>The height of Western civilization to Toby is Homestar Runner.
yea pretty much
western culture has been trash for a good while, he likes the good parts of it

>>713420060
I genuinely hope you die.

>>713419965
Is the "noelle is projecting dess onto susie" meme actually backed up by anything or is it just a weird headcanon
The only thing I can think of that slightly supports it is that she let her play Dess's guitar but people make it out like she deliberately GAVE it to her and wanted her to play it from the beginning, when it was a spontaneous decision after she picked it up on her own

>>713419483
>have you seen what Burghley says
He's desperate to hook up with anyone?
>why anyone was shipping them to begin with
Kerdly was invented by susellefags from twitter, to keep that icky Kris away from their heckin wholesome lesbians.

>>713419654
>"I CAN MAKE MY HANDS INTO PHONES!!!"

>>713418613
Ok now i want to mindbreak ralsei too

>>713420105
Alphys is likable when she's not being Mengele. So far she literally did nothing wrong in Deltarune.

>>713420105
Alphys is plenty likeable. But Berdly is indeed more endearing.

>>713420174
alphys was only likable when she was revealed to be mengele because then she has something going for her other than "sperg lizard that undyne likes for some reason"

>>713420071
>Do you think people speculating between books is a psyop?
no (because most books are actually written later on and only planned as a series from the get go if the author expects to be popular enough already that people will eat it up) but also yes (most good stories will do more than jerk you around with so many plot hooks you need a spreadsheet and try to convince you that it'll all be resolved properly)

>>713420131
She completely ignores everything that Susie is trying to tell her about herself, and don't try to downplay the guitar.

>>713420131
Every fucking day with you retarded suselle niggers trying to squirm out, I swear
Yes, it is projecting since Dess was rebellious and often said fuck the rules much like Susie plays upon, Noelle really looked up to her missing sister, everything that happened she came running for her help

>>713420174
Then her joke is "haha dorky anime girl so quirky she hates socializing she wants to stay... Le inside!"

Berdly leaning into the arrogant nerd and acting like a heel almost makes him far more likable, ironically enough

>darkness doesnt leak out of the shelter when it cracks open for kris
but what does it mean

>>713420046
Is there anyone missing from town when we explore after Chapter 2 or during 4? I think the fountains might be coverups for kidnappings.

>>713420174
She's a dogshit teacher who lets her students fuck around and fuck with her as well because she's such a doormat she's afriad of them and even lies to her superior, Toriel, about what goes on in the classroom and which students are 'normal.'

>>713420131
Noelle weakly protested and saw as an opportunity to hear it again, despite Susie not knowing how to play at all
She's that desperate to have a similar figure based upon her sister

Fix the goddamn hitboxes already, toby hack, like, i get it, you want a battle to be like your dear touhou-erino fight so you made the knight an absolute pain in the ass to beat, but at least have the decency to make the hitboxes smaller so we dont have to deal with bullshit hits

>>713420137
don't forget the full quote
>[Friends]!? KRIS!? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?
>YOU DON'T NEED [Friends]!!
>I CAN MAKE MY HANDS INTO PHONES!!!

it's curious how susellefags and kerdlyfags always appear in these threads at the same time.

>>713420374
I don't think Noelle is into lesbian dom stuff from her sister, or maybe she is, she does seem to have a lot of repressed feelings.

>ask question
>SUSELLEFAG SUSELLEFAG SUSELLEFAG

Drink juice
in front
of her

>>713420414
Don't lump me in with Susellefags, I just want to have fun trolling Kris.

>>713420075
>honestly if toby does pull a 'suselle was written poorly on purpose to create drama at the festival
this will never, ever happen, and i ask you as your brother to not even consider it a valid interpretation because it's 100% not what tobert "i put eyelashes on alphys and people love her" fox is going for

>>713420174
I don’t think I have ever enjoyed any contribution from Alphys to a scene in either UT or DR.
She vacuums all entertainment out of the room every time she opens her mouth.

I will FUCK Elninaposters.

>>713420453
Kris, that's no way to treat your future mother-in-law

for real, before the thread ends
Kris really did take out Susie and Ralsei at the end, didn't he?
There really is no other context for why Ralsei would say
>H... How could you...
right?

>>713420413
o fug

>>713420491
Why?

>>713420414
they piss in the same bowl, your CEREAL bowl!!!

>>713415886
the Ink stuff made me reconsider CYMK color theory

the FRIEND Colors (pink/yellow) are roughly Magenta and Yellow, also Susie and Noelle are more literally Magenta and Yellow in their menu colors. Kris is Cyan

These 3 colors combine subtractively in printers to make black ("taking away the light that isn't there). Black is also called "Key" and dark worlds are connected to doors.

Also goners are "monochrome copies"... is the Goner Maker an "inkjet printer"?

Bonus schizo bait Take away Cyan and MYK sounds like mike

>>713420071
>the base mechanics of excitement and anticipation predate its mass monetization through any means possible, this is base human creativity when faced with a vacuum.
Religion. You've invented religion.

>>713420414
Kerdly is a punishment for failing the rizz check for dpe and lizard and for beating me with a hockey stick

>>713420480
>he missed the absolute gem that is "Actually my sleep quality is improved"

>>713420508
100%

>>713420420
She has a dommy mother and dommy sister, so its prob she naturally became a sub searching for a dom in response to her family quirkiness

>>713420509
I think it would have been followed up on if that was actually the case. For something that would be such a huge deal if true, it goes completely unaddressed.

>>713420420
The masochism comes from Kris fucking with her as a kid.

>>713420584
Alright Freud, that's enough

>>713420558
Yknow what I’ll give you that one.

I don't really like berdly because there's something about bird anthros, especially male ones, that I find inherently repulsive. If he was any other species I would like him more. I do not know why I am like this

>>713420509
Yeah, especially since afterwards she commends the player for being brave, not Kris
But I believe Ralsei knows Kris is a double faced asshole, and it was dissapointed he continues to keep his promise instead of possibly ending the prophecy right there and then.
They probably had a talk afterwards, without us inside Kris

>>713420509
My idea is that he put them down for their own safety, because he knew Knight might stop playing around and actually kill them.

>>713420602
Toby forgor.

>>713420602
Ralsei already knows that Kris is working with the Roaring Knight. Who the fuck would he tell? It would break Susie and Kris would probably kill him if he tried to tell us.

>>713420602
Susie didnt notice that kris attacked her and ralsei just wants to continue the prophecy so he stays quiet about it and hides it

>>713416854
We've got you surrounded! Come read your books!

>>713420584
>>713420630
I'm the most submissive person I know (and I know a lot of subs) and no one did shit to me as a kid.
I think she's just gay, or at least, extremely submissive. She doesn't really seem to be getting off when Kris orders her around, even well before it starts to get creepy, but is dripping at the thought of Susie pushing her to the floor.

>>713420658

>>713420602
Considering how unwilling he was to say shit about the prophecy and everything until Susie crashed out on him, it makes sense he didn't address that mess either.

>>713420646
Who?

>>713420524
Because they're always slutty.

>>713420702
>She doesn't really seem to be getting off when Kris orders her around
Is this nigga serious

>>713420540
Huh
I wonder if Chapter 5 will have Kris/Susie/Ralsei on normal route and Kris/Susie/Noelle on weird

>>713420702
That's exactly why you're submissive. You're so used to being in the background, forgotten, less a third wheel and more of "already off the rim entirely," that your self-value has plummeted to the point where even having someone dominate you is subconsciously seen as preferable to languishing alone.
*hits pipe*

>>713420420
Not quite what I meant, just that she outright says it when she stammers out and her mom cuts it short
>I just wanted to hear it again-
I could look up in the files, if you want to
No way I'm going through that slog for it

>>713420540
>the FRIEND Colors (pink/yellow) are roughly Magenta and Yellow, also Susie and Noelle are more literally Magenta and Yellow in their menu colors. Kris is Cyan
Don't forget that Magenta and Yellow combine to make Red.

>>713420702
>She doesn't really seem to be getting off when Kris orders her around
Media literacy died with this post.

>>713414826
Do I LOVE TV if I only use it for games?

>>713420702
Dude, you don't end up as a sub with a singular definitive factor, there are so many that ends up coming into play

>>713420747
>>713420841
Maybe it's been too long since I've watched snowgrave but the most I remember is "Oh uh thanks for helping me a bit more 'confident' I guess."
She's absolutely not into it in chapter 4, that's like psychological horror stuff.

>>713420801
https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/

* She, she didn't know, mom!
* I... I was the one who gave her the guitar...
* I... I told her to play it, I just...
* I just wanted to hear it again, and...
* She's not a bad person mom, I...

>>713420852
Tenna at least seemed to think so since he talked about them playing smash all the time and presumably other stuff.

>>713420861
>She's absolutely not into it in chapter 4,
how are you making this conversation MORE embarrassing for yourself

>>713420709
>makes sense he didn't address that mess either.
but then why doesn't Susie address it? For all she knows the Knight was right in front of her and suddenly she went down immediately

>>713420660
>... you...
>You were so brave... and yet
>Our troubles are only starting
>isn't that right... Kris?

fuuuuck

>>713420920
Susie got taken out instantly and didn't see Kris do it, she probably thinks she got speedblitzed like everyone did at first. Ralsei's the only real witness and he's NEVER gonna talk.

>>713415208
Why'd this paycho order his men to dip Spamton in acid?

>>713420880
And people will still deny that she's not projecting Dess onto Susie

>>713420918
I don't know how you can watch the scene in her room and think that's any level of "this is good", unless she just has a genuine murder fetish or something (possible but unlikely) then her best friend being BPD and also being psychic and being able to read her thoughts is not an arousing scenario.

>>713420918
She has a pretty scared expression on the couch

>>713420985
You dense motherfucker, did you skip out on the dialogue of Chapter 2 if you say "Susie wouldn't" about riding a ferris wheel with her?
She starts getting off on being bullied and humiliated, physically assaulted on top.

pls suselle OP for next thread

>>713420985
Nobody said it was 'good,' they said Noelle was getting off on it. Which she is, especially once she smiles, thanks you, and her mother calls you later that night to mention how eagerly Noelle is looking forward to seeing you at the festival.

>>713420852
Tenna loved being used to play Zelda so much he made it the centerpiece of his game show. Young Kris and Asriel must have been hooked to the screen when they were playing.

>>713420985
>>713421026
Adding to this, afterwards she's "excited" to see Kris at the festival. You can't really read Noelle's true reactions to something like this in the moment, only beforehand and afterwards.

>>713420702
You dont need to be hit or messed with in order to become subby, through? An assertive dom (like say, carol) would affect noelle mentally regardless of whatever noelle's peers do to her.

Also, Noelle doesnt act that concerned around the first half of the weird run, she's literally thinking about how it's good that she's getting stronger and how she's willing to follow what kris says in the ilovemouse room which is BEFORE she even gets the thornring, the reason as to why she wasnt getting off on it is because this behavior is completely sudden and recent, so she's mostly confused at first but starts to become more willing to obey after that, im sure most people would feel that way too if their subby crushes suddenly started acting more dommy out of nowhere, i bet if we had spent more time with her, she would be getting off more often

>>713421026
There's an entire universe of difference between "Hot girl pushes me down and is mean to me" and "person is demented, can read my thoughts, and is making me relive a nightmare I had (it wasn't a dream."

>>713420968
>she probably thinks she got speedblitzed like everyone did at first.
But why would she assume that? She very clearly saw the Knight run away with Undyne and even tried chasing the Knight later in Chapter 4. Yeah she can't keep up but I think everyone there can tell the Knight clearly isn't the flash or anything

>>713420985
>Thank you...

>>713420897
>>713421057
Perfect, then I LOVE TV.

I onyl just noticed how much Toriel used contractions in the end of Chapter 2. Have I just been missing the other times she's done it before? I could have sworn her entire thing was never speaking with contractions.

Which one is the next thread?

>>713421026
>>713421047
>>713421079
The ring literally sends her into a trance of some sort, there's a reason Kris takes it off of her and you have the very explicit 'hypno' change in her sprite after (You) re-equip it alongside the 'break' or whatever you want to interpret that as.

>>713421148
Your mistake is assuming the "hot girl" part is what's more important to Noelle, not the "pushes me down" part.

>>713421161
>Why would she assume that?
She never saw the attack coming, my man. It was either
>from behind
>or so fast from the front she could have never reacted in time
to Susie, both of these are the same in her perspective, it would take someone telling her another side of events, and even then, she may not believe them

>>713421205
ESL here, how do you say it without contraction? "Was it not funny?"

>>713420861
She's less into it in chapter 4 because her ring was pulled out and the trance was removed for a long while, making the sins weigh on her mind, she literally says smthn like "thank you..." when you choose to think about noelle in ch4 weird run (happens after you give her the thornring back)

>>713421250
You got it.

>>713421216
hypnosis only works on those already suggestive to it

>>713421220
I didn't say that though.
There's a universe of difference between "PERSON is a bit domineering towards me" and "PERSON is psychic and fucking with me."

>>713421216
It’s not a ring in the light world dude. It’s a thorn.
She’s a masochist.

>>713421287
>a bit domineering
you're so fucking dense i can't take it. i quit. mark this debate as 'won' in your shipping chart if need be, i'm done

Where is Ramb?

Kind of funny the level of mental gymnastics Susellefags has to go through nowadays to cope

>>713421343
I'm not even talking about shipping what the fuck are you talking about.
Are you so unaware of what bdsm is that you think if someone likes being pushed to the ground they also like torture?

>>713421216
She straight up tells herself to run but doesn't, she holds her hand out for the thorn, she fucking says "Golly" right before the deed is done.
There's a part of her that's trying to be rational and get away, but the more powerful part is so morbidly obsessed with whatever she's been drawn into that she can't look away.

>>713421373
Ramb seems to have been controlling the mantle boss fight.
There's no other reason for him to be stone in a normal route, and gone when you do the MANTLE fight.

>>713421373
In the FRIEND Zone. (FRIEND was hiding in the vending machine next to him)

>>713415124

Doe love

>>713421216
>NOOOOOOOOOO ITS ALL A TRANCE AND NOELLE IS INNOCENT AND SHE'S FINE AND MY DOE WIFE WOULD NEVER EVER EVER HECKIN FREEZE HER CHICKEN

She doesn't have the ring on in the overworld. The Trance isn't some magic brain rewriting either. She was already like this far before You, and she was definitely into it even on the process. She's scared to a point, but good lord, just face the music like we did Anon, Noelle's a fucking freak and she's into the ring of thorns. The whole point so far has been that yeah, the trance isn't so strong. She will become stronger, people with actual will don't do what Noelle did, she's like that deep down, and you can coax it out exactly because she's like this.

You can't hypnotize the unwilling. Trances cannot occur on those resistant to it.

>>713415118
Wait a sec, Noelle is an ice magician girl. Who can this allude too in Hometown?

>>713421387
...anon, have you ever heard about fawning? Please do me a favor and look it up.

People definitely skipped the dialogue how Noelle went "teehee I did the evil route 'cause it was fun!"

>>713421532
That soul is literally me.

>>713421594
next you are gonna tell me watching horror movies the same as enjoying actual gore

Haha what if the watercooler sprayed you with water and then you became a Mizzle?
https://files.catbox.moe/onnbnw.png

>>713421594
>Queen just wants to make Noelle happy since she knows her for years now
>by literally making her a brainwashed evil peon
Media literacy failure moment, as the kids in twitter say

>>713421594
God you people are fucking retarded sometimes.
This is "GTA makes people serial murderers" level of idiocy.

>>713421532
>>713421595
>listen kid, I paid money to be inside you, and I'm going to get my money's worth
heh

>>713421216
Nah you're truly autistic at best, or a retard.
She's already aroused by the way Kris behaved when (You) is taking the lead. It's probably not healthy for her, but this is what she craves for, whatever the reason is. You're just coping at this point.

>>713421661
based but would have been better if it was Kris instead of unnamed thing that already looks tf'd at the start

>>713421661
great pic as always dude
too bad i'm not into tftg

>>713421594
no one wants to admit that the most obvious answer to 90% of story shit is so basic it's not even funny:
>susie appears mean and is still mean to people she doesn't know but is a ride or die nigga underneath
>noelle appears kind and fools even her close family but has urges to kill and break things for no reason beyond seeing what happens
there's your fuckin media literacy you donut holes

Love again can fix the doe

>>713421671
That didn't happen, stop lying.

>>713421594
>gets proven wrong
>"NOOOOO WAAAAAHHHH YOU SKIPPED THE DIALOGUE!!!"
The evidence is pretty clear, she is conflicted, sure, but she does like it deep down, and nothing can change that fact

>>713421723
I don't want to use the main characters so I just use a random human.

>>713421728
Thanks. You can just pretend it's regular TF with breast expansion.

>>713421661
This your stuff? You have more?
Good work though, but I normally like a bit more 'shown', at least like some figure or Kris or someone before, though I suppose that's also probably for self-insert stuff I guess.

>>713417563
>susie gets slashed
>asriel looks at at and asks "how could you"
>kris gets knighted after that
>toriel's dream change to nightmare
>UMM GUYS KRIS IS A GOOD GUY!!

>>713421671
From what we've seen though, being a brainwashed evil peon is so in tune with Noelle's fetishes mixed together that Queen was dead on the fucking money.

>>713421734
>collects headless cat for funnies
>if one of her pets isn't to her liking she'd rather starve them off
>likes breaking apart games for fun
Normal behavior

>>713421785
that's fair
still pretty great stuff, you have a twitter or some other shit

>>713421808
Kris is triple trucies, retard.
>Knight truce
>Susie truce (new)
>SOUL truce (newest)
The world just isn't ready for male tsunderes yet

>>713421734
>>noelle appears kind and fools even her close family but has urges to kill and break things for no reason beyond seeing what happens
Fucking this, we're going to start Weird dragging her along, and end it desperately trying to hold her back as she freezes the world just to see what happens.

>>713421661
>>713421793
Why not use the deltarune vessel for the self-inserters?

>>713421839
She's autistic anon

>>713421770
Nigger, what the fuck are you yapping about? If anything it proves anon right, you're just being obstinate for no fucking reason

>>713421914
People not agreeing with your take isnt equal to "You skipped the dialogue!!"

>>713421845
It should be up on e6 in a short bit.

>>713421839
I know we're in undertale/detlarune world where games are treated 1:1 for real life morality but fucking around in a game is usually pretty normal, yea.

>>713421839
genuinely, it was the bit about starving her petz until they run away that made me think something is really fucked up about noelle. Because she already knows about game modding and save editing, she even mentions having a bunch of mods installed with the weird egg post, but she's still starving them on purpose. If you really wanna get schizo, you can question whether her masochistic tendencies are a sort of punishment for her evil habits and she wants someone else to punish her for them, or if what she actually wants is someone else to command her around (e.g. snowgrave) and let her do all her murderhobo shit while she can tell herself she's only doing it because someone or something else told her to, be it a weird voice or just needing material for a blog post. And I'm sure you could even find parallels to Undertale and genocide routes and shit there but honestly I don't even know where to start.