.

play god of war valhalla

I don't get it? Is Ryu programmed specifically not to target those multi-missile soldiers? I'm desperately trying to finish these guys off and the fucker will start attacking some ninja right next to them. You'll whiff flying swallow against these totally stationary guys and whiff against them again and they'll stunlock you and delete your HP bar

>>714664642
the classic gow games are amazing, nu gow is souls slop light. it's honestly sad to see how far it fell

>>714665978
buddy I wish dark souls played like gow2018

What's up /jav/bros

>guys lets jerk off the same four 2-decade-old games with their own share of shallow issues while somehow avoiding a single particule of actually nuanced gameplay discussion
>and have the same arguments bitching about what is bad and good about these games that we had 300 times before with the exact same superficial talking points
>and then be completely oblivious and/or dismissing any new entry of the genre
>and sooner talk about goyslop dogshit like nu-GoW and gacha than anything fresh
these threads are literally worthless

>>714665978
classic gow was garbage, why the fuck would anyone want to play games made by a guy who got filtered by a fucking ceiling in metroid dread.

>>714667604
why don't you start faggot.
isn't it also obvious we're warming up for when NG4 drops. This is an event, this is our DMC5 for better or for worse. Year of the ninja.

>>714668254
NG4 looks terrible. You're better off playing something like Wuthering Waves desu

>>714667604
If NG4 looked and played like a real NG game no one would be bitching.

Is there 1 guy who keeps making this thread? Is it a bot? What's the point of this? It's like this place is full of traps that just want you to write some nonsense shit and waste your life and ignore your friends.

>>714668407
>Is it a bot?
its a shil

>retards defending new onimusha in the previous thread
people just can not help but eat up slop

>>714665978
>the classic gow games are amazing
No the fuck they aren't. You're a retard

>>714668315
I am here to shit on it and OLD GOOD NEW BAD like everyone else. After all, there are only 2 or 3 good games in the genre.

>>714669312
>old gow
nta but they are at least a fun romp and look cool, even if they represent the storyslop qteslop that other franchises became. It's the Pantera to NG3/Bayo 3's Limp Bizkit

>seek up any instance of this thread in the archives with 400+ replies
>ctrl+f "souls"
>15-40+ results every time

>>714667604
I literally made posts about a bunch of different games and I doubt you responded to any of them, Mr. Nigger

>>714668254
Ok, lets try something
https://files.catbox.moe/ysm205.mp4

>new games discussed here like Mightreya (looks like it's gonna be slop) and spirit x strike (kino but very underbaked so far; i hope these chinks deliver)
>some resident fags with their one questionable takes on what's in the genre an what's even good every thread
>WAAH WHY DON'T YOU TAKL ABOUT MORE GAYMES
buy some rope

>>714669885
spirit x strike looks all style no substance but with an indie jank twist.

>>714669719
>boomer shooter but it has a style gauge
not /jav/

Play God Eater.

>Have to wait like 8-9 more months till Nioh 3

>>714670135
plenty of time to play Nioh1 and 2

>>714670206
I already beated them but I might replay it a few months before N3

>>714670042
>>>>>>boomer
Shits more like zoomer if anything. Im not even looking at the style meter of that video, the actual intrinsic style matters more than any arbitrary measure and that game clearly has the mechanics for it

>>714670042
>ultrakill
>boomer shooter
LMAO

>>714664609 (OP)
>RE has the best combat
>Some enemies and enemies on the higher difficulties can only be hit by certain attacks in the middle or at the end of the string attack

>The game has no dodge offset

It's just awful. The disparity between weapons in NG has never been wider since NG3. The game has a good combat engine, that doesn't mean it has good combat design. A lot of the problems are reminiscent of Nioh 1 and the guy who directed NG3 also directed Nioh 1. I finally learned how to use the Cicada (more useful on high difficulties or challenge runs), but it's not enough. You still limit what you use. What do you prefer Scythe which is free and conserves ninpo and has the best SOB chain or all the other weapons that need Cicada to stand a chance? Also show how UT's and Ninpos are garbage post NG1

>>714670135
>cryogenically freeze yourself till release date
>???
>profit
problem solved

>>714670327
>dodge offset

>>714670495
that's how you end up with atheist civil wars

>>714670806
It's a really good mechanic

>>714670327
>WAAA 3RE ACTUALLY MAKES ME UTILIZE DIFFERENT STRINGS OF MY MOVESET!!!!
the absolute state of

>Has the best dragon sword moveset
>Has the most aggressive enemies
>Has the fastest speed
>Can't chain instant UTs back to back
But i'm supposed to hate 3RE?

What's up with Itsuno btw, did he really leave bc dd2 sucked

>>714671586
He got fired

i'm at day 5 in UN difficulty and literally the only thing unlocked on my skill tree are cicada surge, lvl3 lunar, lvl3 piercing void, lvl2 scythe
you can get away with every fight just mashing lunar and spamming void or bait SoB with scythe
i have no idea what you retards are on about, this game has been pretty fucking garbage specially with the enormous amount of cutscenes and qtes

>>714664609 (OP)
>God of War 1-3
>Van Helsing
>Nightmare before Christmas
>That one spyro game i forgot the name of

I could swear there were more DMC clones in 2000s but those are the only ones i remember. Help me out here.

>>714671586
Rumor is he had a feud with the CEO's nepobaby son after he stole his initial concepts for Dogma which became Monhun and was insanely popular and profitable while everything Itsuno worked on kept being sabotaged and hamstrung all the way, long story short he eventually got fed up from being fucked in the ass and told them he was gonna quit so he was offered DMCV or DD2, he worked on both but by DD2 it was obvious he was being kicked out the door and fucked over once again as they pushed for to release for the end of fiscal year and also to test RE engine for Wilds, there were other shenanigans like DmC and Reuben drama but he was clearly fed up.

>>714671932
itsuno himself endorsed DmC, your conspiracy theories would work better if you take off obvious lies

>>714672060
That's just common japanese work ethic you fucking retard, you don't shit where you eat.

>>714664609 (OP)
My favorite character action game right more is Super Mario Odyssey. Really looking forward to Bananza too.

>>714672128
>stop listening to what the guy said, your ears are lying to you! listen to me, some mentally ill faggot on an anonymous forum!
kek ok retard

>>714672309
Cool it with the projections tranny

>>714671932
>and told them he was gonna quit so he was offered DMCV or DD2
Itsuno already left capcom after DD1. He came back years later with the promise of being able to do DMC or DD2 which he did but he either has no other game projects he wants to work on or he doesn't want to work on anything else capcom is offering

>>714669595
Honestly can't tell if that anon is baiting. For a guy who seemingly hates souls, he doesn't know what souls is and keeps flaming games that aren't souls. It's as if he wants every game to be souls.

>>714671806
>i have no idea what you retards are on about, this game has been pretty fucking garbage specially with the enormous amount of cutscenes and qtes
But enough about NG2

>>714672128
>Muh japanese Work ethic
You fucking retard.
He outright stated he'd want a sequel. He stated that he wanted NT to make it to be a faithful sequel. He outright grabbed what worked there and used it in DMC5.
It would be Japanese politeness if he said "Yeah that was cool" and paid it no mind or stealthily seethed about it, but the fucker downright endorsed it, and kept endorsing it.

Stop coping with your weeaboo fantasies. When japs dont like something - they make it clear they dont like it even under the pretense of politeness. DmC was shit, and all evidence points to the fact that Itsuno loved eating that shit. End of story.

>>714671586
DD2 was a huge financial success. It's more likely he doesn't care about DD anymore because Tencent gave him a blank check.

>>714670135
I'm playing rise of the ronin in the meantime. Might finally try wo long as well

>>714671412
Everything can be easily beaten with XX->Y with the sword.

>>714672948
Okay show me 5 minutes of you using just that on UN difficulty.

Go ahead, i'll wait

>>714671806
Exactly how I played UN. Didn't even use the health upgrades until the final day. It's a boring game.

>>714669482
>compares numetal to numetal
Are you dumb or what

>>714673318
I think you meant
>compares hairmetal to numetal

>>714673625
>hairmetal
They did try to copy jp yes but ventured forth into numetal territory pretty quick and completely ignore pre-violent display of power era. Same as jp completely ignoring their pantera-wannabe era from late 90s-early 00s

>>714667604
I can tell you’re a seething Niohlet

>>714664609 (OP)
Any indie action games? I have heard about V.A Proxy, but nothing else.

>>714674537
Assault Spy

>>714671923
There was that ghost rider game

>>714671923
LoK: Defiance

>>714674335
Rent free

>>714668315
of course NG4 dislikers are gachaniggas

>>714672528
>NG2

>QTE

anon, did you actually play NG2 ? The only thing that counts as “QTE” are the finishers

Gonna play Nioh then Nioh2, what should I know and expecto?

>>714672704
It's almost like Resident Evil fans denying that Jill in 3 is based on Mila Jovovich.

>>714671561
>aggressive enemies
I wish. Maybe the game would actually be fun then. Only Van Gelfs and imps are truly aggressive and that's why Van Gelfs are one of the few good enemies in 3.

>>714675814
>Nioh 1

charms and ninpos are your only tool

>Nioh 2

Smoother first playthrough than the first game requires Wiki readings after the first playthrough

>>714675940
DELETE THIS

every action game thread got the:
>gamefaqs tranny
>avatarfaggot
>GoW sandnigger
>DMC Xitter

>>714671561
RE fanboys talk as if NG3RE was this hidden gem. Playing NG3RE on the higher difficulties is almost like watching one of those tryhard NG2 runs. You can clearly see that the player got lucky or memorized every spawn. Is memorization a thing in games? Yes, but it's hilarious the tactics players have to take, such as carefully despawning enemy waves and praying they don't get a bad RNG. Since NG spawns after NG1 have a lot of RNG because of the broken spawn system. NG1 has the best balance of difficulty and combat design of these games, the only bad chapters are the sixth generation puzzle chapter. Zarkhan and the other aquatic stage are painful. Apart from that it's a 9/10 game

>>714676256
>MGR keeps is in OP and is never brought up even once

>>714668315
>you're better off playing gacha bro

>>714675940
LOL what a shit game.

Why are humanoid boss fights so popular/always considered the best?
How can we make other types of bosses fun?

>>714675940
This NG4 footage makes me not want to buy the game

>>714675814
They're fun

>>714674335
nioh is literally the definition of the first two arrows of that post

>>714677319
You don't. That's why Bayonetta 1 made the angels pure spectacle rather than an actual challenge.

Someone please, just give me an action game starring Archer/Redman from Fate. Literally has an infinite amount of weapons to use. It's also confirmed he used guns to when he was alive (Nameless even decorates his rooms with guns in Fate/Extra CCC).

>>714677319
>How can we make other types of bosses fun?
You don't. Lean into fun human fights

>>714677319
Scale the player up to be the same size as huge enemy

>>714677645
I think we should shrink the player to the size of the mouse and the bosses should be variations of 10ft giantesses with big tits

>>714677319
Make the boss himself an arena.

>>714666226
>>714667993
>>714669312
shit taste, nu gow is over the shoulder cancer with fps controls.

>>714677927
I agree but only if there's a mechanic that allows you to crawl into said giantess's panties

>>714678082
>button mash to counter rising stink-o-meter

>entropy is timers
what is Mork's education level?

>>714677319
boss fights are nonsense design, you spent an entire level fighting groups of enemies and having loads of fun and then you have to whittle down 1 faggot with inflated health pool because...?
no thanks, just give one huge encounter at the end of the level and maybe one mini boss

>>714676486
Looks not different from NG4

>>714678291
PhD in sucking dicks

>>714675940
In any 3D NG, no more than 2 enemies would try to fight you with melee at the same time.

>>714677319
>What's Monster Hunter?

>>714672704
>what worked and used in DMC5
>slowmo in the end of encounters

>>714678727
it's such a fucking shame you have to wait till g-rank for the game to get truly good

>>714678329
>t. musou player

>>714672704
DmC is fine, not shit.

What feature from past 3D NG games do you NOT want to see in NG4? Is there a consistent feature that you always thought the series could go without?

>>714678979
Cicada Surge and Steel on Bone do not belong in a Ninja Gaiden game. Luckily I haven't seen any sign of either.

>>714678884
nothing wrong with being a legendary dark knight enjoyer

>>714678979
Being forced to play as other characters instead of Ryu. Modern vidya developers are seemingly too retarded to add a simple character select option in anno domini.

>>714678979
Idk if confirmed or not but please make essence not spawn after a UT

>>714678727
A slog until you get to end game. Also shame that out of all the new post GU games the only good one is rise

>>714678979
[!] and red arrow markers
yellow paint
walkie talkie sections
on-rails platforming
quick-time-events for collectibles

>>714678329
I like boss fights but I don't like how 99% of boss fights in games nowadays is just some 1v1 ebic duel vs some zanzibart while choir music blasts. I want to see more bosses that force you to crowd control big groups, or use the environment or make you figure out how to actually damage them.

>>714679298
>souls boss fights
Just spectacle most of the time. Boring fights mechanically

>>714679258
>A slog until you get to end game
that's every action game with unlockable weapons and upgrades ever

>>714679434
Not really. Not sure what games you're referring to but that sounds like a miserable experience

>>714675814
Most of this guide applies to Nioh 1 as well

>>714679487
Spear > 1kat > tonfa > fista > kusa

>>714678979
everything about 3

>>714677574
>Literally has an infinite amount of weapons to use. It's also confirmed he used guns to when he was alive
The closest thing is dmc5 probably, the number of weapons is not infinite for sure, but you do play as a redman

>>714678979
OTs without Steel on Bone are functionally unfinished and incomplete. Essence is a fundamentally flawed mechanic and Bloody Rage improves upon it in every way possible. These are two facts among many that some people desperately want to deny. Besides that, Izuna Drop may be better repurposed to work as an OT, with it being available only on delimbed enemies. It stops the more mindless Izuna spam and opens up more of your moveset by necessity while adding another valuable option to consider when enemies are delimbed, letting it excel as a finisher and AoE like it tends to be.

>>714679636
retard

>>714679298
I thought you guys hated him

>>714679772
Is that wo long Johnson?

>>714679745
>Essence is bad

Not in my NG04

>>714679745
essence is a way superior system compared to karma in 3

>>714679838
Yeah the boss is 1 guy and 9 clones. He resummons them from time to time in vanilla version.

>>714678979
The lack of optional lock on did more harm than good to the series.

>>714678329
Got you covered bro. That'a what you wanted, right?

>>714679772
I liked him until they nerfed him and made his clones super passive

>>714680067
Is the game itself fun? It's the only post nioh TN game I've yet to try

>>714680146
I liked the idea, but the camera was awful and the bar to fill was too long

>>714680015
and your retarded reasoning being?

>>714680267
essence is just like my favorite gacha!

>>714680217
It's funner than Nioh 2 for me. Nioh 2 is still a better game though.

>>714680217
Wo Long is good but you have to go in actually looking beyond the surface.

The game wants you to use magic, it's fundamental to the combat so don't neglect it. The element system is also something they want you to use, as elements can counter other elements and importantly when an elemental status effect triggers, they're put into hitstun and it'll interrupt any attack they're doing. Also some of the weapons have special mechanics to be aware of, the DLC weapons are graet too.

>>714680146
>no SFM porn of the goddess
studioFOW screwed up big time

>>714680217
NTA but I liked it

How's Nioh 2? I've only played the first and thought it was okay, not horrible but not memorable either

>>714680604
It's like 1, but betterer

>>714680217
Wo Long is great fun, it has a different pace to the other games and while some things work against it it's overall a very good game that has more to offer than most realize.
>>714680604
It's one of the best games ever made. It's that simple.

>>714680604
It's basically the same game but with more stuff in it - more weapons, more monsters, more combat mechanics. If you liked the first one, 99% you'll like the 2nd one more. If you didn't, 2 is not gonna change your mind.

>action game thread
>nioh shitters swarm it to talk about their diablo-souls abomination

>your daily dose of rage bait

>>714680934
Hayashi clearly didn't listen.

>doesn't even have reaction pics other than frog

>>714680471
>>714680478
>>714680560
>>714680703
Well if the action heads like it I'll
check it out since it's still on sale. Bizarre how these other games like sop and ronin all get low scores from the masses but they're some of the most fun games I've played in years (though I always come back to nioh 2)

>>714681350
fun gameplay doesnt make a good game
for the people who dont view video games as games

>>714681350
SoP was actually rated pretty highly by players it just had a really small audience due to bad marketing and epic store jail
Most of the Ronin complaints are performance-related

>>714679484
DMC 3

>>714681436
Yeah I guess outlook matters

>>714681487
The same complaints as ronin I see for wo long. I hope nioh 3 doesn't shit the bed with performance since it's also getting a simultaneous launch.
Sop was a tragedy. A year of egs exclusivity killed it

>>714681350
The masses are generally unenlightened and shouldn't be trusted to make any judgement calls on the quality of these games.

>>714681350
SoP shouldn't be THAT art style.

>>714681934
Yeah I agree. I hated the art style going into sop. It's just the generic final fantasy look and I hate it

>>714667604
>Every action game that has been brought up ITT was either practically ignored or just a shallow discussion of something that was already discussed to death
Checks out

does this get fun on dmd or should I just never bother with it ever again?

>>714672528
lol what a baiting dicklet retard you are

>>714682895
seethe harder

>>714679748
Good god 3 is fucking trash

>>714679745
Thoughts on just removing OTs from the regular heavy attack and keeping the rest as is? By that I mean having certain heavies OT if you delay the hit and some other strings just automatically OT no matter what.

>>714682778
I hate how the game is balanced on dmd. Getting hit for half of your fully upgraded hp bar is not fun, and then your only options for healing are DT and hoping rng gives you green orbs.

>>714680117
No it didint, NG never needed a lock on.

>>714682927
>seething

It’s called being laughed at, which is what I’m doing right now at you

>>714681934
SOP but with full on amano art style would be the best game ever made.

>>714680117
it filtered as many retards as possible, it did infinite good for the franchise

>>714671932
The options are either believing this, or believing that Itsuno is a completely deluded hack. I want to believe this, but also it raises the question "Why the fuck did he join the chinks?"

this is where Itsuno works now BTW

>>714683342
Maybe tired of the way fellow japs have treated him throughout the years? Who knows? He still made a decent amount of solid games, shame DD2 has still not gotten any sort of DLC or a substantial update at least. Could’ve been worse I guess.

>>714683342
The chinks go to japanese creatives and offer them a big bag of money and the freedom to do whatever they want.

>>714683293
keep telling urself that lol

>>714683298
>low sales is good for the series
That's not how it works.

>>714683298
why am I seeing so many if it filtered

>>714670206
Replaying 2 right now and it's not nearly as hard as I remember. I guess I got better somehow since playing it?

>>714683682
because you are in the ninja gaiden board

>>714683294
How would this work in a 3d game?

I like 5 Nero a lot more than 4 but the one thing I really miss was his stand DT. A lot cooler than just a regular DT form he got in 5 and I love the "SWEET!" voiceline

>>714677319
>Why are humanoid boss fights so popular/always considered the best?
For pure action games, they allow an enemy that mirrors your type of moveset which makes for a fun matchup.
>How can we make other types of bosses fun?
Play something else. Dragon's Dogma is never going to have great 1v1 humanoid fights, but the first time I fought a drake in the woods with my whole party, or the first time I tried fighting a gorecyclops were incredibly memorable and fun. A big enemy fight is good if you do it with a party with varied skills in an interesting arena.

>>714683883
FF14 manages a good adaptation to 3D

>>714683513
Dont need to, own 2 and 3, 3 is garbage lol thanks for the giggles lol

>>714684028
Looks much nicer for sure

>>714664609 (OP)
All suck, takes no skill because its just a punch bag similator.

>>714677319
Because they usually play by regular enemy rules, people just want 2dbmup bosses

>>714682778
The devs watched people mash combo videos & believed that was the real game then removed the timer from the Mission Requirements to ensure maximum brainletness.

>>714683164
I don't think it would really add anything unless you can elaborate on what your mindset is regarding that change. One of the main strengths of OTs in their use is how responsive and reactive they are and it's an important factor in making use of their iframes effectively.

>>714684189
Woah pal why talk about your mother that way?

>>714683504
>and the freedom to do whatever they want.
If that's the case I'll be thrilled, but someone like Itsuno with DMC on his resume could have easily found a Japanese or even American or Middle Eastern publisher to bankroll his game. He could have even done a kickstarter and secured a few million. Joining a Chinese company just doesn't inspire confidence.

>>714683745
Actually elsewhere too.

>>714684189
That's right. Souls is the true skill genre

>>714684189
Stale, obsolete bait. The modern thing is to bring up Souls games for no reason.

>>714684326
because you are in the ninja gaiden world

>>714684361
Lmao >>714684345

>>714684257
Why doesn't it? from all accounts they're handsoff and have a ton of money. Seems the perfect environment to go as a creative, hence why people like suda and nagoshi went there as well

>>714684446
Many such cases

>>714684553
All me

>>714684459
>Why doesn't it?
Because nothing good has ever come out of a Chinese studio.

is Wu Kong any good
it looks like pretty slop from what I've seen

>>714685116
It's okay

>>714684889
Well good thing hes running a new studio based in japan?, you should play some cultivation kino anyway

>>714685306
>you should play some cultivation kino anyway
Thank you for saving me the trouble of replying to you seriously.

>>714685815
Pretty embarrassing that you couldn't do a basic google search on where Itsuno is actually working haha

>>714685959
Are you retarded? Having an office in Japan doesn't mean he doesn't work for a Chinese developer.

>>714686530
You said you were worried because nothing good had come out of a chinese studio, when he works at a studio based in japan with japanese devs. If you meant chinese publisher then you could have specified.

Outside of a few moves, I find that there's little reason to use weapons other than Rebellion. They're all too slow, in my opinion. Same applies to guns. While it's nice that those extra weapons are there, I'd have preferred to have more moves for Rebellion. Also, I think I like Drew Coombs' Dante better than Reuben Langdon's Dante.

Sandbag simulator

>>714687061
Idk if you're talking about 3 or 5 but in either case complaining that they're all too slow is wacky

>>714687379
Talking about 3. For a Devil Arm like Cerberus, combo attacks take longer use. There's a lengthy windup to Revolver, too, which can be cancelled by an attacking enemy that I don't like despite finding it satisfying to use.

Action games have yet to top this.

>>714687942
It's fucked up, modern action game devs have completely forgotten the fundies laid down here

>>714687942
but... where are the 10 minute long combos Ive seen on jewtube...

>>714687908
Cerberus sucks in 3 unless you use trickster cuz it has no mobility options, the rest are great though

>>714664609 (OP)
Worth

>>714687942
It's flipped up, modern acktion game devs have completely forgotten the funyuns laid down here

>>714688353
its very basic and boring

>>714688353
>on sale
Yes.

um

>>714688589
LOOOOL

>>714688353
For 6 bucks? probably you'll either adore it or utterly despite it

>>714688353
Enjoy the tinnitus

>>714687942
This but unironically.

>>714688589
why you going to reddit bro? something you wanna tell us?

hmmm I dont think I'll be playing dmc

>>714688979
>Downvotes your Karmic life stream force energy fusion reactor cosmic energy flux capacitor

>>714688105
action games originate from 2d equivalents like castlevania and, who would've guessed, ninja gaiden.

god hand was created as a beat em up specifically but most other action games simply aren't

>>714687942
Wtf, why aren't they flying in the air for 4 minutes?!?

>>714684227
Well my main gripe with OTs is how instantly accessible the instakill option is and how it oveshadows other aspects of the combat. The way it is now you not only lose the heavy strings themselves but also reasons to use others to kill the enemy (either by severing another limb or just depleting their HP) or just put them into some hitstate. Another thing is that most enemies still remain a threat after losing a limb, some even gain unique behaviors but the OT is right here to neuter them. SoB does alleviate the issue for the most part but I also just wanna use my regular attacks to finish them off. In that regard I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Lunar's heavies and holds don't have SoB property. I never really cared about the on-demand iframes from OTs all that much so to me the change would do a lot of good.

>>714686956
>when he works at a studio based in japan
Again, you're a fucking retard. Working in a Japanese branch office does not change the fact that they're a Chinese studio. You're profoundly stupid to pretend otherwise.

>>714688589

>>714687942
wow you... like .... walk left and right and..... punch guys...... omg such amazing gameplay

>>714690535
Correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEkOBh1qx3w
Finally a game with enemies that fight back.

>>714690468
My fuarking hero...

>>714690465
Not really but it's ok i'll concede since you seem pretty bothered

>>714690601
dmc player sees this and thinks this game is impossible

>>714683480
Grim.

>>714683480
For the last time LightSpeed Japan is a separate new studio.

>>714690720
>Not really
Yes really. If I go work at Subaru in Indiana, I'm still working for a Japanese company and am ultimately under the supervision and control of Japanese people even if some retarded faggot who doesn't understand basic business tries to pretend it's an American company since that branch is located in Indiana.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ztgyfzr5wvsdhz6rd3cvp/Bone_Z-s-Advice-for-Action-Games.pdf?rlkey=b6u1v4eijge9fyehm1mrutrnn&e=NaN&st=ejltnb2h
enjoy

>>714690932
Hey relax man i already conceded for you, it's okay you don't have to keep responding

>>714690468
the funniest part is the tranny who shoop'd this will be dead before release date

>>714691169
Trying to act condescending while implying that you're actually right but just don't want to argue doesn't work when you're a complete fucking retard who doesn't understand the concept of an international business on a fundamental level. Having a branch office in a country doesn't mean the company is a company of that country. At all. In any capacity.

>>714691143
Is this dolphin porn

Man, Celsus fiends are a joke.

btw, yesterday I discovered that God Eater has jump cancels so its a legit CAG now

>>714691143
This seems insanely and unreasonably autistic. Just a bunch of ramblings that don't have much meaning to anyone but the creator

>>714691796
its sounds pretty normal and reasonable to me

>>714691387
I don't want to argue anymore it's just a semantics thing and you're getting unnecessarily heated, sorry

>>714691796
Sounds like it's perfect for these threads then

>>714692006
Obviously haven't read all of it but skipping to random parts and reading bits and he's overexplaining extremely basic concepts that most people will have figured out without having to go out of there way to explain or compare it to some other seperate genre. It's also extremely broad, some of the stuff i've read applies well enough to specific action games but not to others. Most of these action games emphasize certain skills or abilities much more than others, even within their own series, broad strokes aren't really helpful.

Someone who isn't interested in action games is never going to read this and people who already like action games will have already figured out and understood everything here. If he wanted to drop interesting, relevant knowledge it would've been more worth it to cover individual games.

ive been thinking of trying out the NG series. I remember trying out Sigma on my Vita but i wonder about the rest.
Do these games emulate well on PC? Are there any shit ports to avoid?

>>714692182
>it's just a semantics thing
No it's not. You not understand what a branch office is is not a semantics thing. That company is no more Japanese than Zainichi gooks born in Osaka.

>>714692608
Grab the MC and start playing. You'll do great with that.

>>714692608
I emulated Sigma 1 years ago and it was fine, but the recent trilogy collection on PC is also fine

>>714690535
Exactly, it looks and plays like shit.

>>714692608
the second game is the only one that MUST be emulated

>>714692887
Elaborate

>>714692887
what about this tho
https://www.nexusmods.com/ninjagaidenmastercollection/mods/37

>>714692965
No native pc port, any remake tones down enemy density and censors gameplay. The new black 2 game is built on this censored gimped remake and og is left in the dust

>>714692608
You can emulate ng2 via xenia. It's fully playable with few issues (audio gets cut out randomly). You can also play the hd collection, but if you do make sure you apply the black mod to sigma 2, because the way sigma 2 removes all the blood and limbs flying around compared to the original 360 version makes the game less fun to play.

>>714692965
ports of ng2 are extremely different to its original vision, pretty much everyone agrees later remasters/ports are downgrades
mostly because combat encounters are reworked to have less enemies while making them much meatier, the gore is also gone in sigma versions

>>714693054
This and nm mod are probably the best way to play sigma 2 but emulation is still the best way to experience 2 outside of playing on xbawx

Just beat Stellar Blade. Solid $30 game, great enemy designs. 10/10 music holy shit.
Combat is better than the other parry-centric games I played but there really isn't much player expression and a lot of it is fluff.

>>714692965
NTA but the Sigma 2 and Black 2 play differently to the OG. OG is a lot faster, including how fast enemies die and how fast they are.
I think Black 2 is just fine though. I played all 3 and enjoyed them all
Yeah I liked the girl missions, fuck off

>>714693054
your link has the outdated version
https://www.nexusmods.com/ninjagaidenmastercollection/mods/386
anyway, its okay, but if you can emulate you should

>>714693402
>>714693291
>>714693178
Well that explains why the Vita version felt suspiciously weird to play. Guess there really was something missing.
Thanks. i think i'll try the collection with the mod.

>>714692551
it is mostly basics, which is fine, not everyone who plays action games are that good at them

>>714692887
kill yourself

>>714692862
>Exactly, it looks and plays like shit.
Shitpost or not, it's no wonder these threads are so terrible when you have this type of opinion on beat 'em ups. People here would rather praise garbage like Nioh, lol.

>>714693820
there are no benefits to playing base sigma/black

>>714693913
It's better designed

>>714693402
Also, I'm kinda stumped in what to play next.

I tried Astral Chain but found it deathly boring, especially in the "mini-game" and Police segments.
I was thinking of MGR, but I don't want to "parry" anything until NG4 comes out at the very least

>>714693521
nta but does this version still give Ryu glowing eyes?
>>714693254
don't forget to mention the fact that emulation is CPU heavy for NG2 on xenia

>>714693719
Nevermind, that was sigma 1 since it had the nunchaku guy in the beginning.
Nevertheless, still gonna try it out.

>lessens delimb rates by a lot
>enemies have more health and deal more damage
>This results in deadly enemies that you can spend more time fighting as opposed to having a giant crowd of paper thin enemies that are just begging to be UT'd
I forgot what video I watched but I remember a guy crying that incendiary ninja's have too much health and how a full UT couldn't kill one on master ninja it's literally
>NOOOOOOOOOO MY PRESS Y TO AWESOME BUTTON DOESN'T GIVE ME A FREE KILL!!!!!!!!!!
Also, the weapons in NG2 are actually fun but in the base version most enemies die so quickly that you dont even use half of a weapons moveset because there's no point. Sigma at least gives you a chance to put some of those strings or cool combos to use.
Also sigma completely cuts out some of the terrible boss fights in the base game, it adds 2 which aren't amazing but they're not horrid dogshit like the armadillo's or w/e.

Don't care what anyone says. Sigma 2 is the more fun version to play. People who defend OG 2 literally just want to spam UTs against a crowd of an enemy, pretending that they're better than musou players

>>714694367
>nta but does this version still give Ryu glowing eyes?
no, I dont think it does? never noticed this tbdesu

>>714694784
>People who defend OG 2 literally just want to spam UTs
Really funny thing to say when spamming UTs is the most reliable way to fight certain enemies like the IS ninjas in Sigma 2 because they're just incredibly unfun to fight normally.
Also
>muh combos!
Fuck off.

>>714693521
what's the difference between this and the old version?

>>714695375
>because they're just incredibly unfun to fight normally.
This is basically admitting that NG2 combat as a whole is bad if you can't handle fighting one ninja with a bigger health pool.

>>714694784
>lessen delimb rates by a lot
Already shit. The whole point of delimbing is to facilitate quick kills. If ttk is high it has no reason to exist. Either make the delimb rates high or get rid of it completely.

>>714695547
They're not hard, they're very uninteresting to fight in small groups because that's not how they're designed. A single ninja is a joke on its own no matter the version.

>>714695584
>the whole point is to spam one move with a 100% delimb rate to then OT the enemy
the point is retarded then

>>714695776
>because that's not how they're designed
Ninja's AI are actually sophisticated even in OG NG2 it's just that in the OG version they die so quickly you don't really get a chance to see it.

>>714695584
>The whole point of delimbing is to facilitate press Y to awesome! I LOVE CUTSCENES AND GOOOOOROEEEE!!!!!!!
pic related is you

desu idr get UT spam. I've seen gameplay on YT where the fucker literally just spams UT, OT, and Izuna the whole mission

You're PLAYING a game. It's PLAY. It's meant to be fun so why play it so boringly?
It's not like the game punishes different combos, they all work. What's the deal?

>>714695542
you dont need cheat engine for the new version + various tweaks and bugfixes along the way, its more finished iirc

honestly shocking how MH is the last game with good bossfights

>>714690345
How accessible that instakill can be comes down less to the OT itself and more to how easily delimbed the enemies are, which isn't an issue in 3RE. All of that really is largely solved by SoB existing without negating the use from OT iframes which are useful. Heavy strings not being prioritized is unfortunate but they're not particularly necessary on delimbed enemies as it is and you can still use them on anyone else with mere positioning, which is what SoB also emphasizes. I'd rather have on-demand iframes than one string in specific instances as everything else works on them, but I imagine there's probably still an input method that would work anyway.

>>714696985
Sekiro mogs

>>714671806
>>714673083
You're playing the game wrong faggots, lunar is exclusively for homosexuals that don't actually want to play the game. No wonder you can't have fun, you joyless faggots go out of your way to deprive yourself from any entertainment.

>>714692608
The Master Collection is the best method to get into it and has the best versions of each game, barring 2 which has 2 Black which is arguably better, and the original 2 being a unique enough game to look into afterwards though there are mods replicating it anyway.

>>714697096
it mugs me out of my time at best

>>714688589
>>714690468
What’s wrong? Pride month got you triggered? Cis people so easily triggered it’s great. This whole genre is dominated by LGBT players
https://youtube.com/shorts/H7kVsBSlm10
It’s the weaponizable autism and pent up thirsty for violence after so many morons and losers like you talk shit. And yeah dont get it twisted YOU are the losers

"sophisticated"

>>714696652
jesus this is some spastic gameplay, you're changing targets so often for seemingly no reason nonstop

>>714676343
It's okay to admit you can't beat the higher difficulties (or any) of 2 and 3RE, no reason to lose your shit over things you can't grasp.

can't believe we've had like 10 of these threads and this is the first big NG2 vs NG2S hissy fit I've seen
NOW we're gaming

>>714664609 (OP)
The absolute worst name ever for a genre. All these games are gay, shit and troon coded except for ninja gaiden 1 and 2. Delete this thread

>>714697374
Hayashi's vision... truly beautiful.

>>714697374
>delimbable while on the ground
>doesn't magically get up and start guarding after taking two hits
God, it's so much better than 3.

>>714694784
why does this look like a GOW boss fight

DMC isn't about punching bags I swear

>>714697318
btw I think devil may cry is the best game ever

Just did Day 1 of NG3RE for the first time. I suppose it feels good enough but some of the changes are a little odd (healing and ninpo in particular) and the many setpieces/stealth moments date it so badly as a 7th gen game. I kept thinking about how similarly structured it is to the first stage of Revengeance (urban setting attacked, exploding trucks, QTE moments, mostly just normal soldiers and a couple big vehicles including one you break down the armor on the legs so you can sever them, rival introduction, cinematic limping segment). I know it came out first but it's still uncanny. Also the britbong in the mask kind of sucks in every way from design to voice to personality to boss fight; I hope he's less lame later on.

>>714699754
Regent is one of the few good things about the game.

>>714700104
His first fight felt really basic, almost like a prototype for the bosses they'd start doing in Nioh and its descendants but not even as varied or interesting as most of those. Ultimately you just roll the grab or the third hit of his string or his UT and then get in about 15-20% of his life.

Many youtubers agree that DMC4 was the peak of the series because it had by far the most gameplay depth and tech. Are they right?

>>714701314
brother is this your first time playing ninja gaiden? Because a lot of the bosses in NG1 and NG2 are the same basic dodge and punish style of gameplay.

>>714701557
By combo depth and tech they mean autism like inertia which all it really does is let you move slightly back and forth during hits and stuff like guard flying. It's all fluff tech that is purely there to make it seem like more interesting stuff is going on when in reality it's pointless movement that exists to fill the ego of a specific group of autists.

They added this shit back into DMC5 anyways so it doesn't matter.

>>714701681
Something about him felt off compared to Doku or Mirai or Genshin, but maybe I'm being too harsh on the first real boss. It's also been a while since I've played Black in all fairness, only played 2 this year before this.

>>714701557
it made a dmc5 fanboy mad so it's good

>>714702316
5 fanboys are a million times less obnoxious than 4 fanboys

>>714693878
Shitpost or not, it's no wonder these threads are so terrible when you have this type of opinion on Nioh. People here would rather praise garbage like beat 'em ups, lol.

>>714694784
NG2 design makes a lot of sense to me. What doesn't make sense is when you keep hitting an enemy for a minute straight with a sharp weapon, and your cuts don't do jack shit most of the time. The idea behind ng2 is that weapons need to be deadly to be really satisfying. Also you can treat multiple enemies with low hp as one enemy with lots of hp. Too bad the balance is off. You don't need more hp on the enemies, you can just make them harder to open up and this alone would improve ng2 a lot.

>>714696652
The reason is that most of the time longer combos will be interrupted, and they are usually not worth the risk, when you have shorter options with higher delimb rate. This was also solved in Samurai Jack battle through time: longer strings should have armor on them.

bmups are goated and so is nioh.

>character action

>>714687942
>action games have yet to top this
>posts an action game

>>714704373
A 30+ year old one with more interesting enemy design than most modern action games.

>>714697041
I'd say mitigated rather than solved, OTing a claw ninja is definitely more satisfying compared to vanilla 2 because it takes more effort to get to that point, but a fair bit of enemies get delimbed very quick and while SoB gives you reason to not OT them, most of your moveset still remains on backburner. Varying things up with GT and izuna helps and you already suggested to turn the latter into an OT (I am curious about its implementation, would it still be a normal air string just without an ID at the end against healthy enemies?), but wouldn't removing OTs from regular Y also open up more of your moveset and give it more purpose, white still having the option to OT in other ways? The on-demand iframes are cool for sure but how often do you OT specifically for that purpose and how bad is it needed to begin with when there's plenty of strong defensive options as is?

>>714703378
ackshually in NG, any of the games, some strings have built-in invincibility it's just not obvious

>>714704524
You could say that about anything at any time. X 30 years ago is more interesting than most modern x now (with now being said during any year).

>>714704732
Such as?

Whoever decided to give ninja gaiden 3 razors edge enemies so much health, not having the izuna drop as part of the default sword moveset should be izuna dropped out of mount everest

>>714704732
That applies more to 1 and 3 than 2.

>>714705127
>should be izuna dropped out of mount fuji
ftfy

>>714705048
It's been awhile so I dont remember the inputs for all of them but I know 3 has a lot especially the heavy string enders

>>714705696
I'm well aware that holding block at the end of your strings is good practice in ng as it puts you into blocking while the last hit's animations is still playing, but I'm talking about armor in the middle of the string, which is the whole point as it makes long strings safer to use.

>>714706019
nta but you mean hyper armor?

>>714706019
yeah and i'm talking about INVINCIBILITY nigger which is a big part of NG offense

Playing as Haggar makes me wish that grapplers (and honestly grabs in general) were more of a thing in modern action games. It's weird how this entire archetype basically doesn't exist there. It's why I'll always love Grimlock in Devastation.

>>714704373
Right, right. FF is indeed an action game, my bad.

>>714706187
Yes.
>>714706216
Yeah, I see you webm. Would be cool if it was mentioned in the move lists which strings include i-frames.

>>714706423
god I want to german suplex Poison

>not knowing you're invulnerable during the active frames of all attacks when they hit the enemy in the big 2025
dying rose emoji

>>714706423
Grabs are cool, more action games should have them

>>714706726

>>714706423
I want to make a god hand style game with a dedicated grab button, with you being able to equip 3 different grabs of your choice. There's a lot of potential for depth in grabs

>>714706423
They were almost on the right track with Nero in DMC4 but too bad his grabs are enemy specific, you can still use them for different uses but I would've liked it if you could somehow do 1 or 2 "universal" grabs

>>714703068
>make them harder to open up
Go play 3 RE

>>714706423
I like how you can pick someone up and walk around freely, compared to others where a "grab" is just another attack that locks you and an enemy in a specific animation.

Team Ninja rules this thread, plat and capcuks

Can we keep this up until NG4?

>>714707000
Yeah, I think Nero's cool too, but he really leaves a lot to be desired in that department. I really want Capcom to do a solo Nero game so they could properly expand upon him (and especially his grabs), but I doubt that'll happen anytime soon.

>>714707948
Should we?

Dragons Dogma has cool grab mechanics. 2 adding the ability to pin smaller enemies down was one my favorite new additions. Nothing quite like jumping on a goblin then planting a bomb directly on them.

>>714706829

>>714706423
As action games moved away from multiple characters, the big body grappler playstyle was the first to go since it was the furthest from the others and only really there in most 90s beat-em-ups as a "well Final Fight has Haggar so we need one" move whether they understood why it was good or not. Also grabs are very strong and hard to balance around if you don't always have access to them; in Final Fight or Streets of Rage every character has throws and the big guys just have stronger ones or some greater mobility during grabs, while if a game that doesn't give every weapon/character grabs by default has a grappler they need to balance around it. Grimlock is awesome but some enemies and bosses can be absolutely dumpstered by his Counter Attack grabs once the herd is thinned a little; the entire first half of the Blitzwing fight can even be looped this way.

>>714708485
At this rate we just might?

NG2 is still fun.

>>714710884
Talons > any other weapon in NG2

>>714688353
They couldn't get a single 5 star rating, they had to advertise with a 4 star rating

>>714710884
>the same encounter with 4 enemies at a time

>>714710884
>enemy with bamham tracking at 0:15
lmao

>>714710884
>NG2 is still fun in select chapters
Ftfy

>>714711261
Tonfas > Talons

>>714693402
mork said it's bad

>>714694784
At this point you should just play 3re

>>714711585
talons have too much swag sorry

>>714711629
Should be fun with the updates howeverbeit.

>>714705127
you know izuna drop is not available at the start of NG and NG2?

>>714711967
Quite the opposite. Swag only happens after heavenly justice on Tonfas. All Talons have is forward+Y and flying swallow into izuna drop.

I placed the triggerd the devil in an attack ponsition sir. You're move Vegeta.

>>714709775
>grabs are very strong and hard to balance around
Good point. You really need to know how to balance them otherwise they'll just break the game completely. That's probably the reason why most action game devs don't bother with them at all.
>the entire first half of the Blitzwing fight can even be looped this way.
Doing that for the first time was honestly pretty funny to me, but it does really prove that Grimlock is not exactly well-balanced himself. I feel like if the devs had more time and budget, they could've balanced him a bit better. I still love him all the same, though.

>>714710884
NG2 will always be fun. I don't think anything will ever top it as my favorite Japanese Action Violence game.

>>714710884
Eh, I like the Talons, but the DS, Tonfas, and Flails will always be my favorite weapons in the game.

>>714712813
Fucked up that last reply, meant for: >>714711585

>>714712645
>That energy investment
>That damage output
>Does nothing for your board state except force a switch if you get off cerbres
Shit card.

>>714712813
>Grimlock is not exactly well-balanced himself
Bumblebee is insane too. Good characters are good.

>>714669059
it's a sperg

>>714669059
>>714713319
IT'S SUPERMAN!

>>714706423
Grappling is one of those things that made classic GoW combat very fun
Ramming through enemies by using one of them, using them as projectiles, and executing a perfect air grab loop or evading an attack through the animation is always very satisfying.
Its something i havent really seen in any other action game do since, especially new GoWs. Maybe DMC4 with the devil bringer but even there it's not as in-depth with the stuff you can do with it and you tend to forget you even have it halfway through the game.

>>714713447
kek

>>714713513
GoW3 ramming was extremely powerful, literally did more damage than most stuff and iirc ur invincible during it

So, what is action in action games, really? We use the word like it’s some simple thing, but have you ever really thought about it? Is "action" just button-mashing or is it something far more... abstract? Like, pressing a button to attack, sure, that's action, but is it, though? What happens between you, the controller, and the screen? Is the “action” the movement of your character, or is it a metaphysical dance between the digital and the physical worlds? Who’s to say? Think about it: you’re slashing through enemies in a hack-and-slash, but is the real action in the attack itself, or in the split second of anticipation before your character swings? That moment before the swing, that’s where the action truly lives. It’s not about pressing X to perform a move, it’s about what happens in that space between you and the action. And don’t even get me started on combos. Combos aren’t just button sequences, they’re an expression of inner chaos, a reflection of the harmony between man and machine. The action isn’t in the sequence itself, it’s in the flow, the connection you make to the game’s soul. The game becomes you, and you become the game.So what does all this mean? “Action” in character action games isn’t just about what you do, it’s about who you are in that moment. When you press that button, are you pressing it, or is the game pressing you?TL;DR: Action isn’t a thing you do; it’s an idea you live. It’s a mental state disguised as gameplay.

>>714714686
Yeah but not everything was rammable. For some it was just an animation or an instakill, so you couldnt really rely on it that much.
I dont think it was really THAT powerful either, because realistically you only ever could use it in crowded mookrooms with stuff like hoplites, which aren't that durable themselves.

>>714699754
Update: Day 2 was a good bit better EXCEPT for all the "hey we gave you the bow so use it the whole stage to deal with these guys you can't reach" and the boss just sucked. Ayane Day 2 was really fun until I got to the Jace triplets and now I'm in hell. I think it's just a skill issue combined with me not having a ninpo ready but I can't discern their tells or who's open for attack because of the way the game tries to track things.

>>714715354
throwing projectile guys you kill with one bow shot is coming throughout most of the game

>>714715354
Day 2 is utter dogshit. That only-killable-by-bow enemy placement is also in the entire game so get used to sliding, aiming, shooting in quick succession.

>>714664642
VALHALLA
DELIVERANCE
WHY YOU EVER FORGOT ME

>>714714915
Matt shut the fuck up and work on your gay little game.

>>714713061
Oh yeah, I know Bee can do some insane shit in the game. I just don't use him as much as Grimlock or Optimus, though, so I don't have much experience with him.
>>714713513
I've been meaning to play the classic GoW games for ages now. I've heard a lot of good things about the grab system, which is what made me interested in them in the first place. I'll have to play them one day.

>>714716023
releases in less than 3 weeks bro

>>714715354
>Jace triplets and now I'm in hell
I just spam XX>X against those guys.

Why is it that the more I play games and the deeper I go, I only see flaws and eventually get disgusted with the games?
Happened with action games, happened with fighting games, happened with shmups

>>714715354
Unlock your camera. Use hold extensions at the end of your combo strings that end with heavy attacks. I think they have hyperarmor on some of their melee attacks which you just block or counter with light attacks but for all other stuff they do you can just dash into them to interrupt.

So, I was really looking forward to this game. I love astronomy, so I figured it would be right up my alley. When I put the game in, the patch required was 21GB. Even though it took me about a month to download (I live in the boonies where the fastest internet is not much better than dialup) I was willing to wait, because after all, it's a game about space stuff, which I love.

The patch finally finished downloading, I fired the game up, and went into the tutorial missions, which seemed like a good idea since I was a new player, and this might be a somewhat complex game if it's really a space sim. The first tutorial was about basic flight stuff, very easy. Then I went into the second tutorial (landing inside a space station) and...that's it. I was never able to land. As instructed, I put down my landing gear, I aligned my ship so that it was facing away from the entrance, I took the ship down onto the center of the landing pad and BOING! I bounced right off. That's weird. Maybe I missed doing something in the left console? No, there's nothing else in there. Is my landing gear down? Yes. Am I aligned the right way? Yes. Am I at the right landing pad? Yeah, it's pretty hard to miss with the big orange box around it. Bounce, bounce, bounce. I kept looking around for something that I was missing, but the objectives were very clear and simple. I just couldn't land no matter what I did. I shut the game off after about 20 minutes of trying. I value my time, and there are a lot of other games that I could be having fun with instead of getting frustrated.

Here's a free tip for any of you present or future game developers: If players are getting stuck in your tutorial, you're absolutely terrible at your job. I am not someone who needs much hand-holding in video games. I generally figure things out very quickly, often skipping the tutorial and just diving right in.

>>714671806
Wait until you play Black and 2 if you think RE is bad
If RE is bad then Black and 2 are straight up an abyss

>>714716510
RE is the worst of the 3 though.

>>714716267
You're obsessed with the theoretics of mechanics and are seeking out something that doesn't exist, hindering your fun. You start out understanding a mechanical concept and your head runs with the potential but when the game doesn't reach the potential you conjured up in your head, you're disappointed. Sometimes that is justifiable, most of the time it isn't.

What you want doesn't exist and likely never will and there's a good chance that the theoretics of what you want wouldn't be good anyways.

>>714716267
you're a woman. the hormone treatment is finally working

>>714716663
I didn't even realise I was doing that, how fix?

>>714687942
based and haggard pilled

>>714716489
>i love astronomy so i figured it would be right up my alley
OK what reddit post is this from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7heNQmPkpWA

these threads have gotten worse and worse

>>714717668
Instead of crying about it why not start discussion or post gameplay?

>>714694287
Try Transformers Devastation if you haven't already.

Someone please give me a real tards guide to making webms in high quality for posting here

>>714717668
At least this one webms

>>714717798
has webms*

>>714667604
To be fair, every action game has just been aping DMC and GOW as badly as possible. There's no modern ones that are truly their own identity, thus worth talking about.

Whatever happened to Faust webm schizo?

Say hello to Masami Ueda, the man responsible for DMC1, Viewtiful Joe, and Bayo 1+2's OSTs.

I was looking into this because while DMC3 obviously has some great tracks, I was wondering why DMC1 specifically had such a constantly great and creative OST and now I know why, the main guy behind it stuck with Kamiya and worked on his games while 3 was made.

Seriously what a beast, even if you don't like Bayonetta you have to admit it has a really unique, creative OST.

>>714714915
action game = combat system game usually focused on controlling one character at a time. Combat system is the focus here, but I understand that combat systems can exist in different genres, hence the clarification. Also "usually" is included because you might have puppet controlling characters.

>>714718802
What is he doing now?

>>714718824
Kusoge on the level of NG 2

>>714713513
I've really wanted a game that revolves around grabs with a character similar to Ban as its MC.

>>714717782
It really depends on how long it is and how much movement/action there is. If your clip doesn't have much going on, they can be pretty long-ish (for a 4MB webm anyway) and you can use higher resolutions. If your webm has a ton of shit going on, you have to lower the resolution and make sure they aren't that long, otherwise they'll just look like shit. Also, make sure to use VP9.

>>714716267
Because video games are a waste of time ultimately, and now you can see this simple fact. Your mind is telling you to move on, but old habits die hard.

>>714718904
A small amount of tracks for kinitsu-gami and bayo origins. Hope he's back in full swing for Okami 2

>>714718802
Having Flock off from DMC and Killer bean fighting mood share a sample gave me into a huge whiplash once i realized it.
https://youtu.be/hLceKocjDNw?si=q3EERtTgTX3ihC4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIzN3iFB49M&list=RDOIzN3iFB49M&start_radio=1

>>714715354
Whenever you find enemies blocking or evading, it's solved by the heavy attacks. Few monsters will block your heavy attacks - even better, after a couple of blocked hits they will always go for a grab allowing you to punish them with sob.

>>714718802
Why is Bayo 2's soundtrack so much weaker than 1's then

I think they made NG2 way too ballbusting. The choice between running around an arena fishing for delimbs and sequentially killing one enemy type at a time OR getting gangbanged by off-screen projectiles interrupting your combos is not a fun one. The encounter design in NGB felt much better curated.
I see that they kind of wanted to remedy this in NG2S but the level design of 2 isn't interesting without the huge enemy numbers.

>>714716221
>>714716268
These helped but I still had to redo the prior fight to have ninpo ready before I got to them, I needed the heal. Only took my second try after that though.

>>714717782
I just use webm for lazys. Usually I set the res to 900x506 or 854x480 and CRF to 40-45. Depends on the clip duration.
>>714718802
The nightmare theme gives me PTSD and I ended up muting Bayo really quick, what a weird idea to remix Evangelion's ending theme and have it be played constantly through the combat. Ear bleeding experience.

I know the Itagaki webm faggot was a tard, considering he jerks off Itagaki, a known hack and fraud, but to call Fly Me To the Moon "Evangelions ending theme" is too much
He's either genuinely fucking stupid or a master troll

>>714718802
They put him on Babylon's Fall instead of Bayo 3, fucking WHY did they do that? Also while I do really like Tetsuya Shibata, DMC3 is definitely not his best work (TF Devastation is).

>>714719414
You can purchase health upgrades mid combat as a form of emergency healing.

>nioh loot bad
>devastation loot good
Explain this one to me chat

>>714719896
Different people have different opinions.

>>714720038
WHAT

>>714719386
I spoke too soon before looking into bayo 2 specificially but it seems he wasn't as much of a contributor, a lot of the tracks he's credited for are recycled or remixed from Bayo 1, tho he still made a few original tracks. I agree tho, Bayo 2's OST is much weaker and then 3's has like 2 good tracks total.

>>714719896
Most people haven't actually played devastation

>>714719896
Does that game have really Diablo loot bullshit? Guess I'm never touching it then.

I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING

I thought Heaven and Hell mode would be good for a laugh, but it's just boring and the novelty wears off around the first boss

If we're gonna talk OSTs can we talk about how much of a fucking trashfire DMC5's is? What the FUCK happened? Bury the Light is literally the only good track, devil trigger is okay but a bit too meme-y

>>714720190
This guy has dame da ne clussy fever!

Razor's Edge has one good weapon and it's the sword. Everything else is boring or unfun to use. The dual swords had to have been made as a joke with how bad they are. And not bringing back the flails which have been there since NG04 is a sin.

Went looking for this thread in /vg/ because I wanted to talk about the Morbid Metal demo.

How did you guy's like it?

It really should've been called Inhuman, not subhuman

>>714720145
Yes
>>714720123
Is there a way to play Transformers Devastation on PC? Is it on gog or something?

>>714720205
If you're playing 5 put the storyboard cutscenes on, it's a fun way to go through that mode.

>>714720318
I'm more upset about missing tonfas.

"character action" sounds so stupid
why cant we just call them beat em ups?

>>714720318
Lunar, talons, scythe, kusarigama are all good

>>714720385
Pirate it.

>>714720485
The name is stylish action, all other names are from poser retards

>>714720485
Because then the thread will be full of old shitty beat em ups that all play the same: walk away from the enemy when they attack, walk in to attack when they stop attacking.

>>714720372
They wanted to let you know it's a theme for the fans. They hate you for liking Dante.

>>714719896
Nioh dumps 5-8 pieces of gear on you every few minutes and they're almost all minor changes but you need to adjust your set 1-2 times per stage so you're not walled by enemies, and then on NG+ and beyond you can spend hours buildcrafting if you want something actually substantive out of it. Stranger of Paradise has the best-in-slot button which is nice but that doesn't allow you to build for Affinity or certain skills attached to loot, and the post-game optimization is ridiculously granular and pretty grindy.

Devastation drops weapons only, drops them <50% as often as Nioh does, doesn't really require you to swap out what you have until you find something that's a strict upgrade to what you already have since you're generally fine with whatever weapon you get early on in a given difficulty for a good ways into the campaign. Buildcrafting is possible from the get-go with feeding weapons to each other and TECH slots, but optimization is never needed. Once you have an S (or SS if you have one) of every melee weapon type you can basically ignore the system if you don't care about that at all, and you'll likely be there halfway through the campaign on Magnus difficulty or so; granted stacking passives might be a good way to handle some of the absolute hardest Challenges on Prime.

>>714720323
It's okay, don't really have any opinion on it. It reminded me of a gacha game in a bad way, just a bit too sterile and generic.

>>714720318
kusarigama is almost literally the same thing as flails but with some more moves.....

>love nioh and its loot system
>try out diablo
>hated it

>>714720631
>but you need to adjust your set 1-2 times per stage so you're not walled by enemies
No you don't, what game are you playing?

>>714720704
which diablo?

>>714720747
2 Remastered

>>714720485
It's just Action Games. The differences between your standard 3D action game and what people call Character Action/Stylish Action/whatever is mostly just a quality gap or purely vibes. There are SOME subdivisions you can make like ARPGs or Musous but the lines people try to draw have no strong basis.

>>714720718
It's just another retard hyper exaggerating issues to make it seem like his complaint is justifiable.

>>714720485
We have a name for them but some posters here still reject it >>714666959

>>714720718
That's exactly what happens when you start a new game+ and at the very beginning you need the new tier of gear.

>>714720718
I put the most time into SoP so maybe the levelgating seeped into my memories of Nioh, but I do recall having to swap out my gear semi-regularly.

>>714720909
SoP had the average gear level thing so I understand that because it gave you a harsh penalty if the average wasn't within mission level but Nioh never had this issue.
>>714720867
Yeah, you need to upgrade your stuff every so often but it's typically not multiple times within the same mission in Nioh. You might equip a stronger weapon or something towards the end of a mission if you went in with weak gear but it was never obnoxiously frequent or anything.

>>714720385
Internet archive has it. Piracy is your only option unless you wanna pay out the ass for a Steam key from a shady reseller, it's been delisted for ages.

and and and then I *sniffles* I had to click on "sort by defense" a-a-and then I had to click equip on the top result....it was the most traumatizing thing i've ever done in a video game....loot in an arpg is the devils work! it's evil! *shits diaper while crying uncontrollably*

>>714720123
>Most people haven't actually played devastation
That's true for many of these games.

>>714721508
What about when a game actually expects me to die and then retry a section? I don't have time for this neckbeard gatekeeping tryhard sweaty shit

RESPECT FOR THE OG ONE

>>714721905
THIS

any recomendaions for a action game with the same ammout of respect and soul than the HNK ps1 game?

>>714722216
Wonderful 101

I guarantee you that you didn't die to a mob in Nioh because you didn't equip that item that gave you +2 defense or +5 damage right as you found it.

>>714722216
Look above

>>714664609 (OP)
How has MGR aged? Anyone play recently? I wish it would get a sequel but I also don't need to see Raiden go through it AGAIN. Give that man a rest.

>>714722540
>2013
SHEEEEEESH dusty ahh boomer ahh game :skull: :skull:

>>714722621
what are the youngins into right now

>>714722756
Watching people gamble on twitch
Watching people watch other peoples video on twitch
This is not a joke

>>714722756
gooning to gacha characters

>>714722540
Hype moments are still crazy but the rest of the game might as well not exist.

>>714722813
>>714723057
grim

Picked up bayonetta 3 to finally play it since I heard the sw2 fixed the framerate and its....okay? I remember having a lot more fun with the first two games.
Is it shittier or am I just retarded?

>>714723475
Demon slave is gay

>>714723475
>Is it shittier or am I just retarded?
Both
Performance is disgustingly bad but that's because they were ambitious. Yes the Kaiju mechanics are best out there and are unironically too demanding for many players and the console.

>>714722485
Thanks, remenber playing 5 minutes of it on a emulation pack...i gonna go depeer

Ypu see , They . targeted . GAMERS . WEARE ANON YMOSE . WE FORGUVENNED . WE FORGOTTENED .

>>714723475
It's different because of Demon Slave and Masquerade and how all the levels and (some) of the enemies are designed around it, but it's also desperate to make you use DS because it took so much effort so the Magic economy is broken in your favor and every Demon attack scores like a Weave no matter what it is. That said, if you look under the hood Demon Slave has a lot of fun stuff you can do with it and even though the new enemies are kind of boring about half of them are pretty fun to fight still while the boss lineup is actually good outside of the genre-flip victory laps since they can get annoying on replay. I also think the weapon lineup and Rival boss (mechanically, not presentation-wise) are the best in the trilogy even if it doesn't come together very well as a total product. It's a better game than 2 overall but it's also a notably worse first playthrough than 2.

Also play Origins, it's the best Bayonetta since 1.

>>714677319
Sense of scale. Making Vergil stagger sells I hit that fucker really hard.

>>714722540
Still a good game, hype as shit boss fights, full of quotable lines and reaction image material, and chopping things into ribbons with ultimate precision doesn't get old.
Gameplay isn't that deep but perfectly fine.

>this will sell our deluxe edition
damn right it will

>>714726272
They need to show Ryu alts next.

>>714720619
I really have to wonder what causes someone to downplay beat 'em ups like this.

>>714726272
Who thought it was a good idea to make Ken Kaneki the protagonist of NG4

>>714726272
I don't know why they're jerking this guy off so much. I'm not against having new characters but they should show some more Ryu footage.

>action game thread
>ninja gaiden faggots only talk about jerking off guys

The rug really tied the room together man.

>>714719546
Damn, thats a fate worse than death. I still liked bayo 3’s soundtrack better than 2, but Bayo 1 is still the best one. I will say moonlight serenade is probably my favourite battle theme in the series.

>>714672704
He literally only imported the slow mo after u kill the last enemy, nothing else from that garbage game in dmc5 kek, what are u talking about retard?

>>714675841
Based retard

>>714680493
U only get porn from popular games

>>714680146
If you think this is bad wait until you play Black and especially 2
The bosses in those games are genuinely broken and unfinished

>>714692659
Uhm actually they are ching chong because they are in china, okay?

>>714726402
I just can't derive any joy from them, I tried. Maximum Carnage on Megadrive was one of the first games I mastered to completion btw, it's just that after tasting 3d action games I can't go back to beat em ups. It's not even the 2d visuals and levels that scroll from left to right, like I said already I just don't enjoy the fundamental formula of walking out of attacks and walking back in to counter. If these games included various defensive options I'm sure I'd enjoy them way more.

>>714667604
>guys lets jerk off the same four 2-decade-old games
>dismissing any new entry of the genre

It's almost like the genre peaked in the 2000s and nothing noteworthy has come out after the decade ended

>>714727825
I understand that few people will enjoy the fundamental design of 3d ng bosses: overpowered moves that have to be avoided with few exceptions that can actually be punished - sometimes unreliably. This doesn't make them broken or unfinished though. This is very much the intended design.

>uh actually it was SUPPOSED to be fucking garbage itagaki is a genius
Holy shit lmao

>>>/vg/

>>714729813
TN carried the genre for a decade.

>>714730051
And continues to do so
The Itagakishit is a joke and is clear that he needed TN, not the other way round

>>714730051
By making one good game in Nioh 2. Everything else is mediocre or downright garbage.

>>714730051
kek lmao even

>>714729869
>This is very much the intended design.
Correct.

>>714729869
>She whiffed, now I'll chip her with flying swallow
>*plink* not this time, dragon ninja
This shit is so stupid, why is there rng like this in an action game, it's morrowind-tier design philosophy. If you really want the encounter to be longer just give the boss more HP.

>>714730546
It's intentional deliberate design from the greatest action game designer in the world on the greatest hardware in the world
The games are perfect and any issues are simply because you don't understand his genius

>>714726903
They don't want people to keep asking if he has more weapons than just the dragon sword (he doesn't).

>>714730745
>any issues are simply because you don't understand
Not wrong. Watch any shitter go up against these bosses and you'll realize they're just skill gapped. Simple as.

>>714731085
Exactly
Invisible mines after the armadillos? Skill issue
Long load times? Skill issue
Off camera attacks? Skill issue
The game running at 5fps on the worlds greatest hardware? Skill issue
Not buying Itagakis NFTs? Skill issue

>>714729593
Positioning being your most important and often more than not only defensive tool is kind of what makes beat 'em ups what they are. Still, you have games like Shredder's Revenge which have an actual dodge, so you can play that if you want.

>>714729869
NG1 bosses are fine. But since the second game they have all kinds of invincibility and you can only win by cheesing them. But there's a lot of crazy tech that some players have discovered, I don't know which version, but you can juggle regent in NG3RE

>>714731181
>Invisible mines after Zedo
No enemies are for show
>Long load times
Don't die
>Off camera attacks
Keep moving
>The game running at 5fps
Shmup kino
>Not buying Itagakis NFTs
Pre-ordered

>>714718824
What were they thinking?

>>714731763
Literally all skill issues like I said
The game is perfect, Itagaki is perfect and by extension any NG fan is perfect

>>714731521
>you can only win by cheesing them
That's a huge overstatement, most of them can be punished reliably, you just have to find out which of their strings you can punish. Some are hard countered by a specific weapon or strategy, like the water dragon for example that falls apart as soon as you leave the platform and attack him while running on water. The only exception that comes to mind is Elizabeth, but she's similar to Alma who will also evade your flying swallow randomly.

I SHALL BE THE POST TO BREAK THE 500 BARRIER
YAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR

>>714685116
It's probably the best game for boss battles I've ever played. I think Khazan might have slightly better bosses mechanically but there's way less of them

>>714732121
How long were you hovering over post?

>>714732174
Heh, I time my posts exactly as needed

>>714732086
Anon please. It's easier to blame the game instead of learning basic pattern recognition.

New thread >>714732439

Like I said, the games have no flaws and anything you think is a flaw is simply a skill issue