Why was the knight so underwhelming?
>>715289640 (OP)attacks are 2 slow
>the Knight
>THE Knight
How do we know for certain that there is only one Knight?
>>715289923he's not hollow nor has a shovel
>>715289640 (OP)You just made a Tenna thread. Go away
Are there people who actually believe the message of the game is going to be "trying to find Dess is bad, actually" and that the Knight plot is only about escapism?
>>715289640 (OP)I doubt anyone was saying that when the Knight first appeared. It's clear people are only making Roaring Fraud jokes because you can indeed withstand her attacks in Chapter 3, and she spends all of Chapter 4 running away from your party.
Whether she even oneshots the party if you "win" her fight is up to debate, as a ton of people believe Kris did so instead.
>>715289640 (OP)The Howling Knight is sandbagging a bit and you only knock down about 20% of its HP.
The Howling Knight is also obviously Carol whose goal is to get Dess back much like Gerson, albeit in an unknown state between life and death.
>>715290412Quick, explain how Carol was able to show up at the Church while she was busy scolding her daughter over letting Susie mess with Dess's guitar!
>>715289923shut the fuck up. berdly didn't make the cyber city fountain.
>>715290542secret resident evil mansion tunnels
>>715290076>You want to gain closure on what happened to your missing daughter when she mysteriously disappeared all those years ago?>But what if... heh... you let go and moved on instead? What if caring about your family is actually... LE BAD?Bravo, Tobias! Carol is such a good Knight and it provides such an inspiring message.
>>715289991I WILL KEEP MAKING TENNA THREADS UNLESS YOU SAY "I LOVE TV!"
>>715290542Since when were you under the impression that that was the same Howling Knight?
>>715290542She made it before she got home.
The end scene with the old man made me choke up
>>715290904Doesn't explain how she got back TO the Dark World, even if it was made before she got home.
Remember she was scolding Noelle in the kitchen.
>>715290827What, apart from looking the exact same and using the same attacks? Sure, it's weird how she refuses to actually fight the heroes and spends the whole Chapter running the fuck away, but maybe she was just following new orders.
Anyways, the scene with Kris reaching out and putting their hand on the Knight's is infinitely weirder if you think that's Carol. (Also, there's a really muted guitar string sound that plays, which I think confirms for certain that this is Dess.)
>>715290592Tell me, how do you recognize the Knight?
>>715289923Every reference to "The Knight" since Chapter 1 has referred to one individual with a consistent description from each account, regardless of how close they were to The Knight or how much they "should" know about them.
There is no reason to believe The Knight is anyone but the one person the game has clearly identified them to be.
>>715291497But what if LE RED HERRIIIINGGGGGGGGG
The fact that the knight is hiding in the lockers for ch 1,2 and 4 makes her such a nerd
>>715291497See
>>715291381How do you recognize the Knight when you see them?
>>715291001We don't know how these bullshit light world doors the knight can summon work. But those might be how.
Papyrus Deltarune meanwhile
bed-breaking sex with kris
>>715291776>bullshit light world doorsThey're not summoned by the Knight, they're just the Dark World's representation of any entryway between different Dark Worlds or from the Dark World to the Light World.
>>715291841YOUR TAKING TOO TOO
IS TAKING TOO LONG
>>715291784Who is the more useless member of the Royal Guard?
>>715291673>* The Roaring Knight appeared.Seems pretty clear to me.
>>715291784Cole would be perfectly fine with this.
>>715291784He's unironically probably in college with Asriel.
It lines up with both Sans's comment that you might see Papyrus when Asriel gets back and it lines up with Papyrus being Flowey's friend.
Your taking too long too toos too long is taking too long too toos too long
>>715292069Do we know if Asriel will get back in time for the festival? It's only been three days in-universe.
>>715292023Okay, but what visual characteristics do you identify with the Knight? What do you have to see to go "Yup, that's the Knight"?
>Catti tries to summon a demon with Kris
>Noelle names a cat after her in Cat Petters
>Noelle somehow summons a demon/FRIEND
>ps - about my friend. She came over because I said I was going to play Cat Petters, but she thought that meant that I was just going to pet HER...
>But the Cat Petters RPG cartridge in Kris's house has "catti & catty" written on it, implying it's from them. Meaning Catti lied.
>FRIEND gives Kris a joystick to play the original game where (YOU) make your own choices and kill everyone
>FRIEND has strange parallels with Chara and associated with freedom, which is what (YOU) want
>Onion wanted to look for Gaster's theme in the water, a Goner appears and silences him
>Catti warns Kris to protect Noelle from Susie because she walks on the dark
>Catti taugh Noelle protection spells and showed her occult findings
>Noelle is the Player's goal for freedom
>Gaster considers MAN a issue
>Man appears in the diner where Catti works
Catti was trying to protect Noelle from demons and now Gaster's men are watching over her.
>>715292124"Next week" could've just meant any day starting from the upcoming Sunday/Monday and Chapter 5 is Sunday
Either way I don't think it's gonna take a full in-game week considering 2 of the 7 chapters were the same day
>>715292204its NOT FAIR it was supposed to be HER CHAPTER
>>715291816Dess is so lucky...
I said I was going to do it last night so here is my shitty edit
>>715292234>>715292346Why does Ralsei look like a fruity hippie?
>>715292204>Gaster's theme in the waterI never thought of this until reading that but what if ANOTHER HIM is the song from the sea?
The goner maker does take place in the "DEPTHS"
>>715292346Wait, shit
There's no red herring when "the angel banished will meet its desires" or whatever it was worded, there's no placeholder technically on that prophecy even though it's castle town
It's YOUR castle town, so the angel has to be you
Even if it isnt canon, I love this genre of images FRIEND has spawned
>>715292679FRIEND being the true villain of Deltarune would be pretty cool
>>715292506>gonermaker screen is a distorted jpeg of the oceanHoly [Cungadero] anon, I think you're onto something
>Carol slapped Rudy
>Carol has icy presence
>Carol is really strong
Guys, what if Rudy went through Snowgrave with her? What if Prophecy is cyclical and has to be repeated in every generation?
>>715292026I do not like that DRY isn't calling the human as Clover. Fuck the narrative, i want my cowboy back.
>Got Susie's plushie
>*open*
>Kris! Ralsei made a cake!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFOYWaVFZt8
I'm looking forward to seeing the fucked up grey area full of "evil".
>>715292825>Carol is really strongAnd really fast. Don't forget the Holiday family ninja style.
>>715289640 (OP)It wasn't. In fact, the Knight was overhyped to hell and back, with people unironically thinking it was harder than Sans.
>>715292878>What the hell are you doing!!
>>715292956and can freeze her opponents
>>715292956IT'S LE RED HERRING!!!!
>>715292679man it's gonna be such a shame when it turns out the headcanon connecting FRIEND to noelle's catpetterz bullshit and the pointed tail of hell prophecy turns out to be wrong and FRIEND is just some fuckin' goober gaster made or some shit
>>715290194>as a ton of people believe Kris did so instead.He did btw.
>>715292878>>715292975Finally, a Japanese artist who understands goblin dynamics.
>>715292957Yeah both the Knight and Sans are pretty lame
>>715292641My fav one is the lancer one.
That kid is still by far the funniest character Toby produced, I still laugh my ass off at every explosion bit like I'm 5.
>>715291784Papyrus would not be with the smellow shit character.
>In spamtom sweepstakes you have two choices, Freedom or Silence
>When Toby released the silence version the page went gray
>Goners are gray
>The Goner holding something dissappear as soon as he reveals he is holding a piece of him
>Clam Goner dissappears as soon as she spoils Deltarune Susie
>Goner Kid and the others don't reveal too much about him, and don't dissappear
>Gaster refers to your vessel as "IT WILL NOT HEAR"
>The Goners have DELETED lines in the code
>Onion wanted to look for the song in the water, he suddenly dissappears and two goners in disguise are near the lake
>You can't spell Gaster neither in Undertale or Deltarune
Holy shit. This implies Gaster has much power than we thought, not only in Deltarune but also in Undertale.
>>715291784Papyrus too small
>twitterfags only just now discovered the jackenstein map
damn, whoever said they were slow as fuck wasn't lying
>>715292023That's actually surprisingly unreliable if you think about it a little. How do you know that's the Roaring Knight? Who's telling you this? Kris is, and Kris is an inherently unreliable narrator.
>>715292938That's the shelter.
people saying "carol is the knight", "dess is the knight" but no one says why are they doing this
>Alright, I'll work up my courage today!!
>Susie!!
>?
>Do you want to walk home toge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobkO51msMI
STORY OF UNDERTALE
>>715293043That'd really suck
I heavily prefer the newer interpretations of Gaster being some spectating entity who brought us to Deltarune to make a new future and tried to give us a vessel, and aside from talking to us occasionally (game overs and the Chapter 4 ending) he doesn't really meddle with the game any more than he already has
Gaster turning out to ACTUALLY be the evil bad guy mastermind would actually disappoint me now
>>715293331more like marlet to THICC
>>715292957Sans is a learning curve but I find him to be much, much easier. The in-game version for clarification. The bad time simulator is a flawed replication.
>>715293279>>You can't spell Gaster neither in Undertale or Deltaruneyou can't even spell WDG with the name plate thing on tenna's show, the G just isn't available on the third letter slot.
though that's probably more so that you can't spell something like FAG, but it's still an interesting coincidence(?).
>>715293279>will Alphys end up the same way?Oh no, I don't want anything wrong to happen to her, she just became based
>>715293425>Yo, Kris>Why did you get called by the teacher?>Did you get in trouble again?>Tomorrow, I'll do it for sure...
>>715293043the former sounds stupid while the latter sounds plausible, so i don't know
>>715293381its a monster thing dont worry about it a human like you wouldnt understand
>>715293535>Wow, we can't spell WDG? What could the lore implications of this? Toby really thinks of everything for his goopy void man!>Toby who just did that to stop people from spelling FAG and NIG: Haha yeah
>>715293340The point I'm trying to make is how do we know there's only ONE Roaring Knight? How do we know that it's not a collective identity?
Say, how did you feel when you heard this for the first time in SURVEY_PROGRAM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ASFnQdJgew
Granted, it's been so long since Chapter 1 came out that I forgot if the BGM had the same pitch as the one linked.
>>715293279Interesting. Maybe the Vessel is a deleted version of Undertale's human, made it so because Gaster knew it would be a perfect vessel for our will?
>>715292204>Catti was trying to protect Noelle from demons and now Gaster's men are watching over her.Ever since people started talking about how Onion disappeared I've been liking the idea that the closer you get to [The Truth] the more that Gaster's legion becomes the boogeymen that you can only see from the corners of your eyes, up until eventually they get tired of your shit and they goner you
>>715293741I was wondering if Toby would continue to add schizo ludokino in his works, and I was very glad the dog didn't let me down when I was hit with this scene.
While we're on the subject:
How did you guys react when you realized that Kri was working for the villains?
>>715293870Onion-san will be back.
>>715293995Is that a beard or is he half Gonered?
>>715293995As a Ch 6.66 miniboss.
Sans will be there for Papyrus and to explain why he has the gaster blasters in UT btw.
>>715293870I don't think gaster dissapeared onionsan, if anything, he seems DESPERATE for people to remember it.
I think it's just that Gaster is a cognitohazard that causes the universe to forget people who know about him. He's contagious.
>>715293962>oh thats goodI became really interested in the direction that Toby will take them. All that drama, all that angst, kino.
>>715293962At first I didn't even noticed that the words are coming from the phone. I thought he was possessed by some dark entity.
>>715293962>Holy shit Kris is COOL now
>>715294092i also thought he was drinking a beer for a second
>>715289640 (OP)No matter how schizo Toby's fever dream was, it just couldn't live up to how schizo the collective internet was.
>>715293995as a goner yes
>>715292641https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5QGpociYZE
>>715290076Imagine the meltdown.
Driving in my car, right after a beer
Hey that bump, is shaped like a deer
>>715293279>After all, it's rude to talk about someone who's listening.>Every text box in Undertale starts with an asterisk (Except Papyrus, notably.)
>>715291784>>715293195What is it about Yellow that causes such seething burning anger?
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I'm a Dess Knight truther, but I'm really surprised I've never seen anyone suggest Noelle could be the Knight. I think she's the least likely candidate, but I can't think of anything that necessarily makes it less possible than Carol, so I'm surprised I've never seen anyone give it some thought.
>There, there
>No need to worry
>Huh? I ain't hugging you
>Go ask Ralsei!!!
Which way, Deltarune man?
>>715290542She has her own personal dark world entrance, and used it to take a shortcut. What do you think the maze was about?
>>715293545>>715293425>artist remembered that noelle only has three freckles in each cheek in the last panel.
Where did Queen and Spamton succeed where Tenna failed?
>>715294446Stop going on Twitter, it's bad for your health
>>715294408Because it's fanfiction promoted by people that hate fanfiction.
>>715294598Sex Appeal
Sex Appeal (White Women)
>>715294446Disengenous. If there was no USA, we wouldn't have the mets Krusie fanart
>>715294598what do you mean
>>715294446Eastern art, DUH.
>>715294412Noelle would never hit Susie that hard
Unless she's also being controlled against her will like Dess is (in all the GOOD Dessknight theories) but I dunno
Is the white pen of hope (Us)? Because (Our) ability to make decisions is what enables Susie to reinterpret the prophecy? (Susie is the one who fixes Tenna, but only because we recruited everyone in Chapter 3)
>>715294412Huecycles Dess will never fail to make me mad.
>>715294446whichever one posts art I like
>>715293962I've seen this scene so many times, I don't remember how I reacted. I know I saw "sacrifice" and I was dumbfounded instantly. "Oh I guess we're really doing Twin Peaks now huh?
>>715293381Trying to explain my schizo idea with a diagram.
I think Carol is trying to start the Roaring because it's the only time she can get Dess back.
She doesn't want to end the world though, which is why it wasn't just started straight away, she needs the Heroes to be strong enough to actually stop it.
And she knows that Titans coming forth is part of the Roaring, so the Fun Gang also need to be able to stop them, which is why one was summoned in Chapter 4 but the Knight never tried to intevene them taking it down.
>>715294734i mean, noelle was so zoned out during snowgrave she mistook berdley for just another darkner to freeze, if she's being pushed into the trance to become the knight then it's not too unreasonable she'd be too far gone to recognize even susie.
>>715294734Yeah for it to possibly be Noelle, she'd have to be being controlled or otherwise not have control of herself when she's The Knight
>>715294775>we're really doing Twin Peakscare to extrapolate?
>Every player can tell away that Susie wasn't originally supposed to be "The Girl With Hope Crossed on her heart"
>Everyone immediately guessing Noelle or Dess, then getting confused by lack of antlers. They just ignore this when they can't think of an obvious alternative.
>Susie refuses to wear ribbons. However three others are happy to wear them so this doesn't narrow things down.
>However, the Princess Ribbon has flavor text for both Susie and Ralsei saying the gloves don't fit. Kris says nothing because they always say nothing
>Noelle has text for the Princess Ribbon where she offers to let Kris wear the gloves, implying they DON'T fit Noelle but DO fit Kris
>Kris has a sword
>Kris has no antlers or lizard snout
>Kris obviously wasn't the original cage. That was supposed to be The Discarded Vessel
>Only one possible conclusion
KRIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE "THE GIRL"
Bitch changed pronouns and cut her hair and stole the soul.
>>715294598>Where did King and Jevil succeed where Queen failed?These threads circa 2024, I shit you not.
>>715293870>Realize that weird shit is subtly happening in your quaint little cozy town>Start investigating>Connecting the dots, realizing things are out of place, influences from things that you never knew existed>...>...Hey, were those guys always here?>You don't remember seeing them before, but now it seems like... you can ALWAYS see them, just around the corners now>Always off in the distance, like... they're singling YOU out>โฆ>No one will shed a tear for you
The Prophecy doesn't refer to any character yet revealed in game because it's going to be the shock twist crossover event of the decade
>>715294956Pose as a team... because shit just got real.
>>715294956so which one of them is the girl(s)
>>715294871>The Girl finds LOVE>A heart is often a symbol meaning loveDid Kris find us?
>>715294871I don't believe anybody was intended to be anything in the prophecy. It is deliberately vague, in order to set up the subversion that your choices do matter, and that even though the prophecy does progress as it is illustrated, it does so depending on your choices. The cage can be Kris or the vessel, the girl can be Susie or Noelle, the Lord of Screens when cleaved by blade can live or die, LOVE can be romantic or level of violence, ultimately, it all depends on (Your) own choices
at least thats what i think
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>KRIIIS
>WAAAAAAHHH
>*sob* *sob*
>>715294923>2026>Where did Tenna and Gerson succeed where [insert Chapter 5 villain] failed?
>>715295095Ace Dick, duh.
>>715295198New thing bad, old thing good, simple as.
>>715294854Just the whole trope of the "small town that's quaint on the outside but they're secretly sacrificing women to the blood god squid thing that lives in a cave below the town" that sort of thing.
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>>715295125>No need to get so angry...>(there there)>Kris...>What's there in your pockets? Can you take it out? >*drop* *roll*
What would've happened if Kris just didn't make the Chapter 3 world?
The Lord of Screens would have to still be cleaved by blade
Would the Knight just break in and slice Toriel's TV in half? Would she break into Castle Town and murder Queen because she could also be considered a lord of screens?
>>715294598What do you mean? People like him. There's tons of fan stuff of him.
>>715295307Kris is working with the Knight, he was going to make that fountain irrespective of our decisions because he ripped us out
>>715293440>those schizos in the comment section treating it like a live chatroomWhat the fuck is up with undertale fans man, this is psychotic
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>>715295285>Hahaha>You've brought home a lot of friends>Come here, Kris>*sigh*>Let's take your friends back outside>(Let's say bye-bye to the pill bugs)
>>715295401I know that, I mean what if he didn't. Not "what if we forced him not to"
>>715295450Then I guess someone else opens the fountain, maybe the same person who made the fountain in the Church
>>715295307Tenna is not the Lord of Screens. The prophecy panel is showing the end of the Knight's final attack from the perspective of characters in-universe.
>>715295307>what if the people involved in a prophecy just didn't do the prophecyThis same question can be asked not for just everything that happens in the game, but for every story that has a prophecy.
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>>715293870I remember I had a dream where I was taking some sort of test, did badly and then said "ok I'll just reload", then I reloaded, got everything correct and the teacher looked straight at me and said "you cheated, didn't you?" and the whole dream started distorting
>>715294871you speak the truth
although i doubt kris cut her hair or did any of the pronoun stuff though
>>715293774Actually I think the Vessel was a trap and a cage for the player. And given the parallels between Chara and FRIEND, I think they discarded your vessel for that reason, to save (YOU). If you are God/Angel, then it's natural the character associated with the devil is against you. Freedom is associated with the Weird Route and Noelle, while Silence is associated with Gray, Goners, even your vessel is called a Goner in the files. This makes even more sense when Chara and Gaster have opposite associated numbers, being 9 and 6.
A true vessel should be someone with thousand of parallels to the Son of God and associated with the cold.
Noelle.
>>715292134This video has make no sense without sound or subtitles. Why would you post it?
>>715295427>thought you might've just been talking about live chat comments since i vaguely recall old live chat dumping the chat messages into the comments after the chat closed>it's exactly as you describe it, they're not even replying, they're just posting free comments>the newest ones are less than half an hour old
>>715292204No, you see, Jockington is the key to all of this. He is the Knight and the person revealled as a sacrifice at the end of Prophecy
What if, after seeing Kris and Susie together in chapter 1, Noelle did a school shooting and killed everyone and then herself? How would the prophecy work then?
>>715294446WHY does this franchise attracts so many trannies though.
>>715293279Whats the difference between Goners and Gooners?
>>715295307It would happen still, but the lord of screens would be different.
Whatever happens, it will still make the prophecy work.
Queen would've set up a tv store or something and then died
This really gives me "object that would be covered in a deceased monster's dust" vibes.
Rudy's gonna get revived with this thing when he dies.
>>715295754Trannies can't play any moderately emotional games without relating it to their deepseated desire to kill themselves
>>715295754colorful cartoon characters with exaggerated expressions are an autism magnet
there's also a lot of overlap in deviant subcultures. trannies, furries, etc.
>>715295883Do monsters preemptively put their "burial object" in their rooms in case they die, and that's it?
>>715293962>Villains>Implying Kris and Dess aren't saving the world
>>715296002Not what I was saying, just that it feels like that'll happen if he dies.
>>715294598Laptop MILF owes me SEX
>>715295883>Rudy dies in Chapter 5 of his illness>The distress causes Noelle to open a dark world>We enter the dark world>Rudy's there, just like Gerson>Snowgrave route>We initiate an encounter>We force Noelle to use Snowgrave on himAbsolute kino
>>715295271this
but UNIRONICALLY
>>715293740Ralsei literally showed us that there's going to be at least two or three niggas, and he has our interests in mind considering we're the only reason the prophecy's worst aspects have a chance of being averted.
>>715294598>Lumping queen with the GOAT in hopes to make her relevant
>>715294923Queen is overshadowed in her own chapter by Spamton and its not even close
>>715296007>the roaring is prophesized to happen no matter what>all the dark fountain bullshit is to get them strong enough to stop it>susie was placed in the role of the second hero because she has the "white pen of hope" that allows her to overwrite the bad ending and overcome the titans
>>715296146all that matters is getting the shelter codes and discarding noelle so we can be reunited with our vessel. you'll be punished if you're too sadistic with noelle
>>715294871>Everyone immediately guessing Noelle or Dess, then getting confused by lack of antlers. They just ignore this when they can't think of an obvious alternative.Mantle game Noelle has her antlers covered.
WAIT A MINUTE.
When Onionsan dissappears there are REALLY 2 NPCs from the goner crew around? I dont remember that shit, where?
>Saves the Fun Gang in Chapter 5
>>715296330the white pen of hope is definitely us right? and her saying 'nah kris has the pen' is a subliminal way of telling us that Susie and us will come to be in some kind of arrangement at some point?
>>715296279Spamton was overrated. He even had a worse OST than Queen and i'm tired of faggots gaslighting us otherwise for years.
>>715296367getting noelle to kill her father so she has fewer and fewer emotional connections so she can get even stronger
like when ares gets kratos to massacre his family in gow1
>>715294598Trashheap Tenna is just [Still The Best 2021] with the fun lunacy worn off and replaced with Tumblr Sexyman B8. Admittedly it was big shoes to fill.
>>715296438Kris would be scared shitless, he can't stand to even look at pictures of unfamiliar humans for long.
>>715296279Queen is a consistently funny character through the whole chapter.
>>715296421It's only the bird thing that cockblocks the library books. If you try and wait on Onion in Chapter 4, after Susie tells you he's probably not showing up, and you leave and re-enter, you'll find the fucker standing on the spot, having a schizo meltdown about how you "shouldn't wait."
This doesn't mean he moves from the library though, he STILL shows up there too, basically deploying the same teleportation bullshit Sans uses, when he himself utilizes it between his store and the Cattenheimer Grill.
>>715296146Rudy's gonna die because noelle pressured her to come out for the festival.
She takes him to ICE-Es.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBqKtHTHa20
>>715291567Built for being a rape and murdered victim in a crime documentary
>>715296669>Titan is the fear of dark given form>It looks like a human head before turning into the form you fight it asWhat if that's just how Kris saw it at first because it manifested from his fears?
>>715294412I've gone down this path and come to the conclusion that Noelle would present as the knight at all times in the Dark World so wouldn't have had the cleric robes in Chapter 2. Doesn't mean Toby couldn't write around it but I think it has to be someone we haven't seen in the Dark World (i.e. Kris, Susie, Noelle, Berdly, Toriel)
>>715296691the clam is who directs you to onionsan
>>715296856Too funny to fuck.
>>715296935The Knight being someone we've already seen in their current Light World state at all doesn't really make sense
>>715297169This but he's kneeling on the gas pedal of his truck driving towards dess
>>715295271>Old humans good.>New human bad.Yeah, I agree.
>>715297071Papyrusbros... we won...
Do you think Dess was a good person or was she kind of a bitch in the same way Chara was?
>>715297169He raised a worthy successor.
>>715297357She's doing it wrong, she's not even on his neck
>>715295754Undertale/Deltarune is rare 4chumblr media. Toby posted both on Tumblr and 4chan before making Undertale. As such the people who like it a lot are both tumblr trannies and 4chan retards.
>>715295521Man... every player theory really is terrible.
>>715297310Isn't there a cockboard of Papyrus being the egg man?
>>715297313she sounds like a good person from what we know
>>715297313She was Latula and Kris is Terezi. Think about it.
the Knight is exclusively either incredibly difficult or incredibly easy.
Ignore the fact that you only depleted 10% of its max HP, meaning a 'real' fight would take 10 times longer, at minimum, because this isn't accounting for it using its real strength.
Would Vegeta win against the Knight
>>715295576What do you take Dess calling it us a "demon heart", though? And Chara being OUR partner?
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>>715295553I recognize that art style. She animated a music video that Toby worked on.
https://youtu.be/qFow8LkHtlU
>>715297607The difference between them is that he actually IS a jobber, while "Roaring Fraud" is just shitposting banter. He'd get decimated.
>>715297439>cut on the prophecy matches when the Knight cuts the game window 1:1>meanwhile Tenna got his arms cut off, his head was untouchedThe prophecy is not symbolic. It's literal. If it shows a picture of a screen getting cleaved in two, that means that a screen is getting cleaved in two.
>>715297607It's over for the Knight
>>715297313Good at her core, she was just a rebellious teen who loved pulling others into her fun since everything's better with company. Even if she was into sexy music videos that probably shouldn't have been on a living room TV, tried smoking weed with Asriel and plenty of other typical teen stuff, it was clear she meant everything to her family as well as the Dreemurrs, and is probably the only reason Kris didn't feel like a total outcast who only exists to remind people of Asriel, his own family included.
>[REDACTED] is associated with Grandpa Semi, originally having his house on Waterfall.
>[REDACTED]'s room has the Premonition Theme.
>Grandpa Semi was cut and forgotten to be reworked as Gaster
>Papyrus and Sans have many hints to be originally from Deltarune
>Papyrus is described as a Man's Man in Toby's original concept
>Papyrus has thousands of connections with Man and Eggs
>Egg in Windings is the pattern movement of the Knight in Chess
Forgotten man is Grandpa Semi, and the Roaring Knight is Papyrus.
>>715296438My wives returning would made my heart flutter.
>>715297313she molested kris, who then perpetuated the cycle of violence with noelle
>>715294446the yellow-skinned nips will never truly appreciate deltarune
>>715289640 (OP)>Chapters 3+4>Game has 7 chapters>3+4 = 7TOBY ALREADY DROPPED THE ENTIRE GAME
YOU ALREADY HAVE THE FULL GAME
HE'S GOING TO SHADOWDROP THE REST OF THE GAME IN A RANDOM DATE
CHAPTER 5 2026 IS A LIE
DON'T TRUST THE DOG
>>715297790Except that attack is optional. Theory deboonked.
>>715297854All I understand is that the guy on the left is talking about Homestuck and the guy on the right is talking about Snowgrave and jews.
>Angel ornament falls on the soul
100 percent pure coincidence
DEFINITELY not symbolic or foreshadowing in any kind of way
Why does the Knight share FRIEND's laugh?
>>715298042take a deep breath, log off, and just forget about deltarune for a while
>>715297665(We) aren't the Angel, the characters themselves might *think* we are but we aren't. We're a demon, Gaster, the guy covered in Devil references brought us into this as an outside force. Even in Undertale, Frisk/We weren't the "Angel meant to free the underground" It was either Asriel or Chara depending on if you do Pacifist or Genocide. We aren't the one that actually "frees" them, we just set the stage for someone else to. This will continue in Deltarune, with us, The Player, being confused as the Angel but it actually being somebody or something else.
>>715298125so is the Queen's chariot
>>715298171desu i thought in the snowgrave route noelle would start smacking the hell out of the soul (because she only learned to confront mice with violence)
>>715298171There's no such thing as foreshadowing, only red herrings.
>>715298171Dont forget, you either choose Noelle or Susie, like Normal route or Weird route, very subtle tony
>>715298267The queen's chariot actually only ever gets "stopped" in the normal route
>>715298187what is it with these fucking genoslide images and the glowing text
>>715298171I think the Player is definitely the Angel, but my theory is that Snowgrave is about making Noelle the Angel, making Noelle stronger and injecting a SOUL into her, in an attempt to remove ourselves from the Prophecy and get total freedom
>>715298440>removing ourselves from the prophecy>by putting ourselves in the second heroChoices? DON'T matter.
>>715298365>the prophecy is so absolutely immutable that it requires intervention from LITERAL GOD to avert>people STILL think we stand a chance of preventing the final tragedy unless Toby lends us his saving grace directly
>>715298187I wouldn't worry about it.
>>715298428They symbolize SUBTLETY
>>715298520Tenna proves pretty soundly that our choices do in fact matter
Also I never said we'd put our own SOUL there, we still have our own body
>>715298428It's making fun of OOC shit like "human i remember your genocides" which was made in earnest
>>715298171>Noelle wearing angel wings during her childhood.100 percent pure coincidence
DEFINITELY not symbolic or foreshadowing in any kind of way
Is the ice key a reference to Banjo Kazooie?
>>715298440noelle loves wearing literal angel wings, was the one who made the angel ornament, is called an angel by multiple characters, but people still think she isn't the angel because of the player reflection reddit theory
>>715298626>noelle directly foreshadowed to get possessed by the SOUL>this can't possibly mean she's going to be possessed by the angel, it can only mean she is the angel
>>715297665That's a hard question. But oh well. I guess our vessel is considered a demon because it behaves as a fallen angel. However I think both vessels will parallel each other. Chara is referred as a demon, an angel of death that will free everyone from their life in the underground. While Asriel, even if he is called a God of Hyperdeath, is looks like more of a true angelic angel, specially after breaking the barrier and freeing everyone. Chara is a fallen angel, while Noelle is a pure one associated with light, what a coincidence. They are counterparts.
>>715293045>>715290194Only blind autistic retards think Kris cut down his own friends. You literally see him standing there while it happens. Kris isn't some anime edgelord who can move at light speed without visibly moving. Furthermore, Kris stops holding back in the fight if the knight knocks out the other two, showing his loyalty is to his friends first. Also, if you think Ralsei's line is directed at Kris as if to say "how could you, Kris, do this?" you are doubly retarded. There's no way Ralsei would just ignore that afterwards if he thought Kris did it, unless he thought it was part of the prophecy, in which case he wouldn't be surprised in the first place.
People who think Kris did it are people who are desperate to have their own "clever theory" that makes them feel smarter than everyone else, regardless of how stupid the theory actually is. Same as Kris being the knight.
>>715297680>living puppets getting torn apart by their stringstoby thinks he's pretty slick, huh
>>715294446Why is this side of the planet so obsessed with troonshit I don't get it
>>715298238Very good answer, anon. I am glad I still share a board with people who can think. Very well, I agree with your theory. I do think Gaster is against freedom. Another point is that Ramb's freedom game is a kill em all game as well.
>>715296229You realize those are titans and not knights right? Stop being retarded, there's obviously only one knight.
>>715292198Please just get to your point about "oh The Knight is wearing a helmet so it could be ANYBODY under there" and stop wasting time with gay leading questions
>>715293340Kris is not the narrator, and I'm not going to assume that the game is just lying to my face about its massive shocking twist reveal of the main villain without a good reason to believe that
>>715293740>how do we know there's only ONE Roaring Knight? How do we know that it's not a collective identity?Because there's no evidence for it and no reason to suspect it when The Knight has been consistently treated as one entity throughout the entire game so far.
>>715298690Has it ever occurred to your mangled chimp brain that both can be interpreted as the angel?
>>715297856>asriel shows up with an entourage of humans to try and get kris more familiar with themhow hard does kris freak out
>>715298868I believe that Kris cut down his friends, but I also believe he did it because (You) and them had succeeded in pissing Knight off and if he didn't SWOON them, they would've been KILLED instead.
I wish the YouTuber I watched do the second chapter snowgrave would hurry up and finish chapter 4 so he can go container the weird route.
>>715298997Uh-huh, and The Knight's body is near-identical to the side Titans, aside from having telling antlers and a visor/eye instead of a star.
>>715296935How did you come to the conclusion that The Knight must always present as The Knight in the dark world?
>>715299010>no reason to suspect it when The Knight has been consistently treated as one entity throughout the entire game so far.Yeah, but she acted like weaboo edgelord in chapter 4 whereas in chapter 3 she acted like edgelord weaboo instead. Or so I've heard.
>>715298428jokes
japes
jests
>>715298690People here are retarded. Literally every /v/ theory was wrong. Fucking Jaru got it right more than here.
>>715289923>no luck with them knights then?>it's just the one knight actually...
>>715298907i wish i had a cool hat...
>>715298907NO YOU CAN'T FIND PARALLELS TO DELTARUNE IN TOBY'S OTHER WORKS THEY MEAN NOTHING STOP LOOKING FOR CLUES LET TOBY MAKE THINGS!
What did Tenna mean by this?
>>715299240Speak for yourself, my theories did fine all things considered. Alphysmom is still going strong.
>>715291497>with a consistent description from each accountI don't think anyone has described them. We literally didn't know the Knight's appearance until we saw it.
>>715298760In fact the whole Holiday family is a counterpart to the Dreemur family, they are more relevant, the whole universe is.
UNDERTALE-deltarune
Asgore-Rudy
Toriel-Carol
Asriel-Dess
Chara (Family role)- Noelle
Frisk was split into Kris and Vessel, while Chara was split into Kris (Human personality) and FRIEND (Meta entity)
In Undertale, Flowey/Asriel and Chara are the main siblings in the story, with Sans and Papyrus as secondary.
And now in Deltarune Papyrus reflects Dess as he is the Roaring Knight, which takes the place of Asriel.
>>715290792I LOVE TV in moderation!
>>715298171Toby has absolutely zero respect for the audiences intelligence but I donโt blame him gamers are retarded
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>>715298868>Kris isn't some anime edgelord who can move at light speed without visibly movingUs not being able to see when Kris does something is normal. There are countless examples of us being told that they're doing something or reacting to something without us actually seeing it happen.
>his loyalty is to his friends firstThen why was Kris holding back at all?
>There's no way Ralsei would just ignore that afterwards if he thought Kris did it, unless he thought it was part of the prophecy, in which case he wouldn't be surprised in the first place.Ralsei knows that Kris made the fountain and said nothing. Ralsei knows that Kris is working with The Knight and says nothing. Ralsei knows exactly what's going on, he knows that Kris is bound by fate as much as he is.
Read what he says when you "beat" the Knight, think about what he's really saying.
>* Somehow, I thought we... had won... for a moment...>* That... we would be able to end the battle... here and now...>* ... you...>* You were so brave... and yet...>* In the end... our struggle...>* It's only beginning, isn't it...?>* ... Isn't it, Kris...?
friend of mine is screeching about kris OBVIOUSLY being non-binary and nobody is engaging with it (this is the eighth time)
>>715299419How are people still clinging onto Papyrus Knight? He's the egg man at best.
>>715299470Gooning with friends is fun
>>715297856Purple-chan... hgnhnhngnngh...
>>715299470Mr Ant Tenna, where are the porn channels in the dark world?
>Alphys called her kitty MewMew (actually Susie) a "perfect angel"
>>715299604Papyrus can't be the Forgotten Man because he is Grandpa Semii. However there is a strong relationship between both, and since Egg in windings reflects the Knights movement in chess (dess), this makes me believe Papyrus is taking the role of a reverse Flowey/Asriel(Roaring Knight/Dess).
Dess cannot be the Roaring Knight
>>715299648That's the secret, Anon!
It's all one big porn channel! Have you seen the water inside those coolers!?
Who was in the wrong here, relatively speaking?
Ugh, it's NA hours, and it really shows
>>715299748Why can't Dess be the roaring knight? If you say she's currently calling for help in the code your opinion is discarded btw.
>>715299604A lot of people prefer a surprising story to a well written one
The Angel is (You). How that's interpreted by the characters varies on the route, and some might not even attribute it to (You), but it's undeniably (You).
Just like how it was in Undertale, where the Delta Rune prophecy speaks of an angel who's seen the surface and will cause the underground to go empty.
The actions of (You) using Frisk as a vessel determine if the underground goes empty or not, and if it does empty, how it goes about this, whether that's freedom from imprisonment or genocide leading to total erasure of the underground.
In Deltarune, the Angel will be banished to meet with its desire. This doesn't mean "the game ends" because that's stupid, it refers to Kris banishing (You) from his body once he no longer needs the SOUL in order to fulfill his promise.
Gaster assumes your desire at that point will be to reclaim your discarded vessel so that you can be truly free, meet those WONDERFUL SOMEONES for yourself, and also so that you can finish your work in HIS DELTARUNE to save the worlds.
>>715299830Tenna forced the Mizzles to stay inside for a reason
>>715299748>Egg in windings reflects the Knights movement in chess (dess)I couldn't make a better summation of the stupid schizobabble people come up with on here if I tried
>>715299882Because Dess if fucking dead. And the Roaring Knight can move in the lightworld. The Roaring Knight has Dess's essence, but someone else uses it as a vessel unless you tell me her body can float around.
>>715300065>Because Dess if fucking deadSource?
>And the Roaring Knight can move in the lightworld. The Roaring Knight has Dess's essence, but someone else uses it as a vessel unless you tell me her body can float around.Monsters don't leave "bodies." They turn into dust, this was explicitly told to us multiple times in Chapter 4.
If Dess is a revived Darkner, she'd turn into an object after leaving the Grand Door and be unable to carry Undyne to the shelter.
>>715299240>underagejak>rambles about literal whogo back
>>715299214It just makes sense
>>715300097>Br*tish womanHorrible.
>>715292204Is Jockington a goner? His speech pattern is broken. And the whole "Jockington grows a beard" sounds like purely Toby shitposting until you realize goners become deformed.
>>715300065>Because Dess if fucking dead.If she was dead there wouldn't be at least three people still trying to "find her"
>>715300185Why is King Fluffybuns green?
>>715300173Do you remember Gerson? Gerson is dead, but his dust can make a form of his essence as a real being in the Dark World. However we can also find a Statue Gerson that, while may not be him, is a remnant of him. The fact this version is wearing a knight armor already tells me this was foreshadow. The Roaring Knight is not literally Dess, it may have her essence, but she is not the knight.
>>715300290Nah sheโs fucking dead it is really common for people to become obsessed with missing personโs cases long after itโs reasonable
There was another Yiiklike game that was all about that
>>715299214Why would you think otherwise?
Because Claus was dead all along and the Masked Man was actually Flint, robotizing himself because he can't move on.
>>715300437>with missing personโs casesSo you understand that she's missing and not dead
Does anyone know what programs are used to create these animations that look like fake gameplay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVenpXG-qEU
Fun fact, the act 1 is the only music that doesn't have any YTPMVs
>>715298171Spamton also calls us [Angel] when we go to buy the thorn ring.
Do you think Kris knows he's a fictional character in a video game? Mini Kris sought freedom from his game and entered the "real world". Maybe Kris wants to break free from his game
>>715300173Dess's dust was actually spread on a shopping cart and she used the momentum from zooming out the front door to roll all the way down to the bunker with Undyne in tow where someone pulled them both inside
why are there less dogs compared to undertale?
>>715300408I still think the idea that the Knight is "Dess's essence but not Dess because it's Papyrus" is really retarded but I'll give you some respect for not bringing up the godawful Human Dess theory in response to my comment about monster dust.
I had a whole post copied into my clipboard for that.
>>715299393We even know King didn't see the knight in person, he got told by Jevil.
>>715300583https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlymLx8LMN8
>>715300648they all got put into jail
>>715300290They want to find her anyways. There is also the possibility Dess was a human. Sans refers to the sisters as "the antlered girl and her big sis", implying Dess has no antlers and may be wearing a headband just like Kris.
>>715300610he just says [Angel] twice and Noelle is with Kris when that happens
your headcanon will never be real
>>715299056>the prophecy is up to interpretationyes but then there's no point even talking about the implications of the prophecy if almost anything can happen while still fulfilling the prophecies vague auguries. and the discussion of angel's identity already implies an "either/or" stipulation *RETARD*
>>715300751ALRIGHT, FUCK IT.
The plot of Undertale flat-out doesn't work if there's another human in the underground. At all.
Sure, you can patch up the Asgore plothole by saying he wouldn't kill his best friend's daughter, that's fair enough. But Asgore is not the real problem here - FLOWEY is.
If there was another human present, Flowey would either not be able to SAVE (which he explicitly could until Frisk fell) or he'd be able to kill Dess and take her soul at any point, because he can just reload if she wins.
He could become God of Hyperdeath without all the monster souls because he could just kill Dess after taking the 6.
He could've killed Dess and Toriel to cross the barrier and grab more souls from the surface to become god, but he didn't. Because Dess isn't a human.
"Antlered girl and her big sis" doesn't even MEAN the big sis doesn't have antlers, this dialogue was written when Chapter 1 was the newest and we knew nothing about Dess, so "antlered sisters" would mean nothing to the viewer. "Antlered girl" would bring to mind the girl you had to talk to in the intro before Susie walked in, so Toby wrote it that way as to tell you "hey, he means Noelle, and Noelle has a big sister."
Alternatively it could be because Sans is from Deltarune and isn't used to the antlered girl HAVING a big sis at all.
Both options are infinitely more likely than it being a hint she's a sekrit human that was in Undertale this whole time that nobody killed because she's speshul and Flowey just didn't notice her despite exhausting every single thing he could possibly do. See how garbage this idea sounds?
You could only reasonably believe Dess is a human if you skipped over all of Flowey's dialogue. And doing that essentially means you're skipping over the entire narrative of the game.
>>715294636>someone makes something out of inspiration of another game>โthis was done out of spite btwโwhat is this mental disorder called? because I see it far too often
>>715300541If somebody is missing for a prolonged period of time and canโt be found the conclusion is generally that they died
>>715300626>Deltarune ends with Kris walking out of your screen and becoming your roommateSeriously, how the fuck did Toby manage to do that? No wonder it took so long.
>>715300751This is absolutely fucktarded in Undertale's context though, because if Dess WERE human, she should've been on execution lineup instantly for the sake of harvesting her SOUL as the seventh.
Even if Asgore was a punk bitch who had no intentions of following through due to his overwhelming guilt, the rest of monsterkind was literally hyped for their long-awaited revenge against humanity.
>>715292430i need her and her sister at the same time
>>715300065Dess isn't dead retard.
Dess sucked Kris' soul out through his cock
>>715300648It has the best dog
im intersted in and sold on playing deltarune but dont wanna play undertale.
dobale?
>>715300763Except he calls Noelle hochi mama or side chick and Kris as little sponge. Maybe play the game before replying next time.
>>715300751The white girl and her sister.
>>715300786Yeah, it's a bizarre theory that makes no sense. They've also got that point of "all the normal shoes in the closet!" but literally in her room there's flavor text of "shoes modified for hooves"
>>715300448Because they're still very powerful in the light world as evident by them being able to carry Undyne to the bunker, implying it's not just a dark world form. The black shard also stays a black shard in the light world
>>715301004play undertale anyways, deltarune is intended for people who have completed it
>>715300712yeah but was talking about hydrocity zone
>>715301013>calls noelle multiple thingswoah almost as if he also called her Angel
great self own anon
>>715301050It's hilarious how they overlook the implication that Asriel regularly spent the night at the Holiday residence to hang out with his girlfriend, and he did so to such a degree that a lot of his stuff wound up staying there.
>>715300795Sure, but not if they disappeared into the Evil Ass Dark Magic Dimension
>>715301004Definitely play Undertale. It's pretty short, and Deltarune expects you to be familiar with stuff from Undertale.
>>715301046>>715301142i read this, but i also read its a different world? if its just references, then i dont really care?
>>715301189kris and asriel would have "sleep overs" at the holidays every weekend because toriel would get drunk and fight with asgore
>>715292874it's better this way so cole can actually be what we want instead of what reddit wants
>>715300097Iโm coming buckets
>>715301004Nah play Undertale first. It's beatable in an afternoon, way cheaper right now, and if you don't like Undertale, you wouldn't like Deltarune anyway.
>>715301313>you don't like Undertale, you wouldn't like Deltarune anyway.I dont know about this one chief.
>>715301004you can but undertale is only like 12 hours long (its intended to be played through at least 3 times with each (different) playthrough being 3-4 hours long)
>>715301259toby himself says to play undertale first, the first time you boot up deltarune you literally get a message saying "this game is intended for people who have completed undertale" with a button that opens up undertale's steam page
>>715301169Noelle wasn't looking for the ring of thorns
You were, and he sold it to you, not Noelle
>>715298760I guess I can see where that comes from. Than what are Frisk, our Vessel, and Kris in this situation? And Kris and Chara's parallels?
I'm so glad Papyrus is gonna be in the next dark world doing a Gerson Boon style therapy thing for Ralsei and then getting kidnapped by the shadow crystal having Golden Flower and rewarding Ralsei with a matching scarf so people will stop saying he's anything important like the knight or forgotten man.
>>715290076The entire game is about escapism. Toby's big meta sting is going to be that you (the Angel) preserving the world of Deltarune (Light and Dark World) is your form of escapism just like the Dark World is escapism for Lightners. There isn't a "good" ending but simply the fact that you choosing to save the world is just maintaining your own escapism, and that you'll never truly be free until you break free of Deltarune.
Not saying this has anything to do with Dess being the Knight or anything though since this is an overarching thing that encompasses the entire story.
>>715301004You can absolutely play Deltarune by itself. There's more tidbits and nuances to be had if you play UT but DR is a complete package alone.
>>715301385No, it's pretty much true. Can't imagine anyone who gets both works liking one and hating the other, at worst you'd be neutral on the one you don't like as much. Unless you missed the point of one of them, that is.
>>715301385Nah, it's true. I can't think of any reason that someone wouldn't like Undertale that wouldn't also apply to Deltarune aside from it being short.
>>715299419Papyrus is more likely the Egg Man than the Roaring Knight. Sucks, because I liked your thesis otherwise.
>>715299240I remember one anon saying they reckoned Kris wasn't the knight be was working for the knight.
I remember one anon pointing out that the entire "put the dust of the dead on their possessions" shit was clearly going to mean dark worlds create darkners that resemble dead people.
>>715301486I have to admit the Papyrus eggman theory does make a bit of sense, particularly because Sans mentioned "asking him about his schedule" and Forgotten Man describes his schedule in the next chapter, but I just can't grasp what narrative purpose it would serve.
The eggman is clearly related to some sort of trauma Kris went through as a kid, and Papyrus is new to town. Why would he be involved with that?
>jevil is a straightforward introduction
>spamton is full schizo and the biggest lore/trvthnuke ever
>the knight is a non-secret fight that is best fought with an item that is found in a bonus area
>gerson is simple, hes not crazy, hes not evil, the stakes arent high and you cant even truly lose, he wants to help you out
honestly great track record, im really glad superbosses didnt turn repetitive/derivative
im sure toby will do something different next time, but i hope we get a chapter as varied as 2 again
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>>715301259Deltarune was made with the understanding that you've played Undertale
A significant part of the game is playing with your expectations from Undertale
Play Undertale
>>715299641Sucks that there's literally no porn of the dead kids outside of one Asgore image.
>>715301632that last one was a jaru thing, not a /v/ thing.
>>715301649No it fucking doesn't. Don't be a retard.
>>715293870>>715292506>>715292204This is my favorite Deltarune theory now, its short, sweet, simple, and it doesnt require so much of a leap in logic.
I wonder why I havent heard of that theory on youtube yet.
>>715301432go reread Spamton's lines
not like it would matter with your reading comprehension
>>715301686I like some of the fanon fallen humans but Jesus can you not word it like that
>>715299992>Just like how it was in Undertale,Where River Person explicitly excludes us? We can't be "coming" if we already there.
>>715301754That's just reality anon, face it.
He's gonna cave to Twitter and nerf the Knight fight, isn't he?
>>715301724>>715301649Hang on I called you a retard after reading only the first line of your post. My bad.
>>715301189Reminder that Asriel has glow-in-the-dark stars on his side of the room because they are Dess prizes for having Dess over at his room.
i like this joke a lot guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY
>>715301918so what's the moon for?
>Kris stops himself from saying mean options when (You) choose them multiple times
>Except for when you choose to kick Ralsei down while he's at his lowest the end of chapter 4
Genuinely, what the FUCK is his problem.
>>715301714>more than one person can't have the same theoryI mean fuck, was there anyone who doubted that theory when they heard it? It didn't exactly sound disagreeable.
>>715301169He consistently uses terms that refer to trashy woman when talking about Noelle. He is consistent about this.
I'll repeat myself: Play the game before replying next time.
>>715300794I meant its fans, dude. Read the word "promoted by".
>>715301890He's gonna buff the Knight.
>>715302006kris might just be exhausted from dealing with the titan and is unable to properly resist (you) in that moment
>>715294636>>715302050Wait, do you shit on Yellow because its fans don't like last breath swapswapfellshift phase 69000 shit? Really?
>>715301714It's way older than jaru. It was all over tumblr and /v/ literally the same day we all saw the "is it right for this hammer to..." line
>>715302006what's weirder is that for some reason that option also has an impact on how kris actually feels about ralsei, too.
>>715301004Yes but stuff will hit less harder desu. Especially two of the secret bosses, Kris's family, the janitor, etc.
>>715302006Maybe it takes a lot of willpower from him to resist and he was exhausted after the battle. I wouldn't hold it against him.
>>715302006His opinion of Ralsei is so neutral he's willing to let you sway it just cause he doesn't care
>>715302165But is Asriel giving or receiving?
>>715299240Twin Peaks gods won though.
>>715302161Nah, it's because Ralsei compliments his piano skills. He realizes how deeply Ralsei actually cares about him.
>>715302109This is probably it, he goes right back to telling you to eat shit like when you try and open the church closet where the Knight is obviously hiding because it isn't a vocalization, but rather trying to make him act on something.
>>715301520This but backwards. The point isn't "you're escaping by choosing to engage in this world", it's "you're doing more than you realize in order to engage in this world".
As a player, you have more freedom than any of the characters can respond to. You can cheat. You can modify the game. You can turn it off and never play it again. But doing any of this won't let you continue playing the game, you'll be playing something else partially of your making. Engagement is ALWAYS a choice. And more of a real one than any number of "yes/no" prompts could hope to offer.
>>715302223I don't think he'd let you say mean things to him if he was that neutral.
>>715302006Honestly I think he may have needed to hear "It's okay not to smile" just as much as Ralsei did.
>>715301486The golden flower is the main boss. I don't know why people think Flowey will be the schizoboss when Ralsei is already the Flowey parallel..
>>715301649It doesn't make sense, it's cope from Papyrus Knightfags desperate for him to be somehow extremely relevant to Deltarune when he simply is not
The Forgotten Man is clearly a figure from Kris's past years ago who Kris once knew but has been forgotten/repressed, while Sans and his brother just moved into town. The Forgotten Man has clearly suffered some kind of Gaster-like metaphysical nightmare that has practically erased him from the world, which creates obvious complications for Papyrus. The Forgotten Man does not have Papyrus's voice or personality. The Forgotten Man is simply a man.
>>715302410>I don't know why people think Flowey will be the schizoboss when Ralsei is already the Flowey parallel..Wouldn't it make sense for the schizoboss who's gonna give Ralsei a weapon next to be a parallel to Ralsei, though?
>>715302036your best argument is "y-you didn't play it" and you choose to project your bias over character lines so you can pretend your shitty theory is true
I don't need to point out how many times the game connects Noelle to angelic imagery
nor do I need to change your mind
time will prove you wrong simple as
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>>715294446i will fuck HER cunt with my BVC (Big Vessel Cock) so hard shell identify as a woman again after
>>715301678>toby having to tell people not to worry about the digital make believe characters on their game
>>715301632>I remember one anon saying they reckoned Kris wasn't the knight be was working for the knight.Archive?
>>715299240I can't think of a single /v/ theory that wasn't confirmed by 3 and 4.
>>715302327Nah, be as mean or nice as you want
it doesn't bother him
>>715301754Okay, I wish the dead humans to have (aged up) porn.
>>715302509Human Dess theory (also known as the stupid fucking nigger retard theory alongside the Asriel Eddy's brother theory)
>>715301756>Rudy, Carol and Susie all keep their tails covered>Noelle has a cutout in the back of her skirt to show hers offLiterally asking for it
>>715302424the only person ever described with the word 'man' in any of these games is W.D Gaster, the man who speaks in hands, the mystery man
>>715302509Ralsei being evil.
Kris litteraly being the knight(no, "well technically" does not count).
Tenna being evil
"Schizo" bosses in general
>>715302006There might have been no way to resist that option.
>>715302161>telling Ralsei to keep smiling makes the number biggerso Kris likes when Ralsei hides his emotions?
>>715302519No, he refuses to say mean stuff to Ralsei. For example when you talk to him in his room, Kris will intentionally mumble so Ralsei can't hear it properly if you choose the mean option.
Kris should force Noelle to be an exhibitionist. Clothes just make you weak. If you want to be stronger, you have to embrace the cold
>>715302134Yes, because of that attitude because Yellow is on the same level of quality as a lot of these fangames.
>>715302472Many people came away from Undertale with the impression that it was about how you shouldn't be mean to the NPCs and Toby isn't mean enough to publicly disavow them of this notion.
So, what was in the final prophecy to elicit this specific reaction from Susie? Obviously it's not about Kris killing her, she wouldn't dismiss it so easily, and while I'm personally leaning towards her killing Kris, the fact that she says that Kris and Ralsei wouldn't let it happen makes me doubt it somewhat. It's something that depends on all three of them, but it is also something that Susie believes is under their control.
>>715302590Why is Noelle such a freaky girl?
>>715302723that doesn't really make sense
>>715302662Other way around.
>>715302662i think the flag is set so that ONLY if it's at 1 does kris heal more from the tea. presumably it's set to 0 by default, so it gets set to 2 to mark that the choice was made but without giving the tea bonus.
>>715302450We don't actually know if the next schizoboss will even be a Ralsei parallel, and even then, Gerson was nothing like Susie and was her parallel.
Plus there's no reason for Asgoreโs golden flower to even have Flowey's personality.
>>715302596>Oho, quite sorry, mine Kinge... Queene hath a nyew Man about Towne now!!>DON'T BARGE IN WHEN A MAN IS [ch4nging Forms]!>Hey, what's wrong with a married man getting flowers?>Err, UNIQUE Man who barged in here and demanded to be made "Butler Supremeth?">I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A MAN OF THE [PIPIS].>But DON'T WORRY!! Mike, lovely man that he is, pre-ordered a BACKUP shipment of headwear --
>>715302759Prey mentality
>>715302709And Gaster is decidedly not the Forgotten Man, they're extremely different from each other.
It COULD be Undertale Gaster and Deltarune Gaster, but it's more likely that the Forgotten Man is just another aspect of Toby himself, embodied by a character with traits amalgamated from various old concepts like Proto-Papyrus and Grandpa Semi.
>>715302509Time travel back to Chapter 1 to get the Mantle.
>>715302006When did Kris resist saying mean things? I only said nice things to everyone so I actually don't know
>>715302862Yeah they're all Gaster
>>715302801It does, Yellowfag. Just drop your elitism and accept you're as fanon as those games.
>>715302674Oh, well shows what I know, I only went to his room on the first playthrough and chose the nicer option. Sorry bout that
>>715302584>>715302623Those are all youtube/reddit/tumblr/twitter theories.
Everything /v/ predicted was more or less chapters 3 and 4 word for word
>>715302903>You know people put their mouth on those rightthat is foul
>>715302754It's Susie dying
>the girl panels all over the prophecy seen just off screen>how she acts after getting back to the light world(like she just realized she has a few more days to live)>"how... how can she be so kind?" (when it's about her own fate to die>the tragic foreshadowing of kris and susie playing the piano together someday
>>715302723But you said you only hate Yellow because of its fans.
If you hate Yellow because you think it's shit, why not just say that? Are you autistic?
>>715302915He's talking about visceral shit like "I'll never play [piano] again", not Kris being a goblin to everyone.
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>>715294786kris is transgender...
>>715302990>aacept Yellow is fanonEvery single time
>>715303051No, because I actually think some of these games like Last Breath and No More Deals are good. I think you're the autistic one here.
>>715302991I only learned about it from these threads too because I was always nice to him. Someone posted a webm of the scene but I don't have sadly.
>>715300786>>715300924I can see that. But it doesn't matter if Dess is a human or not. The Roaring Knight can't be dess because she is missing, Statue Gerson is a straightforward foreshadow from it.
>>715302993Yeah, let's not act like we had whole ass collages from here theorizing how schizo the next schizo boss will be, or instances of Ralsei being evil by hiding stuff from us, or justifying how Kris could've made the ch. 2 fountain.
>>715303110So you're just seething that people don't like Sans remembering youre genocides, got it.
>>715303083Yellowfags are the guy on the left for every other fan content.
>>715302915he yawns if you try to tell ralsei darkners shouldn't have feelings, and he bites his hand if you try to tell susie he'll never play piano again (or at least he bites his hand in snowgrave, iirc he does something else normally but i dunno what)
>>715303110>No, because I actually think some of these games like Last Breath and No More Deals are goodThe biggest retard ITT. Congratulations.
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>>715302459>you choose to project your bias over character linesDo you not see the irony of saying that while also ignoring how a character talks about anothe?
>I don't need to point out how many times the game connects Noelle to angelic imagerypic related
Pls play the game next time you reply.
I found this really funny meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NqO2v_xnY
>>715303184>Super duper hard fight where the bird waifu is melting and saying you piss her off!!!>It's totally not cringe like these other games!!!!Yellowfags like you are hypocrites.
>>715302754It's that Kris is the Angel, or more specifically, that the Angel is within Kris (us), but worded in a way that Susie doesn't understand it and thinks it's just about banishing Kris. She's already shown to be dumb as fuck and misunderstands the prophecy in general, thinking that part of it was referring to her when it wasn't since we know it was out of order at parts.
>depends on all three of themIt still depends on Kris to willfully banish the soul/angel.
>Susie believes is under their controlWhich it is.
One of the last bosses will probably be us (the soul in our created vessel) fighting the party, now led by Kris, as they try to banish us.
>>715303031This. Susie is not a hero. Even Gerson calls her the dragon. Heroes naturally fight dragons, she is the last opponent on the prophecy.
>>715303321counterpoint: i want to fuck the big bird
>>715303216I'm too lazy to read the thread, cna you point to where they say Yellow is more canon than fan fights? All I care about is having a playable story, fan fights don't scratch that itch.
>>715303315Am I the only one with Bergetruckung fatigue?
>>715303242... to the Yellowfags for winning their prize.
I'll be one of the first to bring up how Yellow fucked up the lore by making Clover's determination lower than Flowey's (one of the reasons human Dess can't be possible) and making them exist at the same time when it's relevant, but I like the game anyway.
It's non canon and gets some canon details wrong but it's fun.
>>715298868>Only blind autistic retards think Kris cut down his own friends.you do not know kris
>>715303389Not more canon, but that it's less cringe or whatever this guy meant:
>>715303184Fans that just want a full game are fine.
>>715303110>I actually think some of these games like Last Breath and No More Deals are goodbased, i love bad ass skeleton when he cathatrically kills me for my genocides
>>715303407Maybe. I love Asgore's theme.
The only Toby Fox song I have severe fatigue of is Megalovania.
Both the idiots that want Yellow to be canon and the ones that dislike it solely because it's a fangame are equally retarded btw.
>>715302912>Gaster is decidedly not the Forgotten ManYes
>they're extremely different from each otherWell, no
People were able to guess that this letter was from The Man because it was very Gaster-like in every way except the personality of the speaker. The Man was the obvious candidate as the most Gaster-like Deltarune character who isn't Gaster.
Based on what we know "Gaster's Deltarune counterpart" seems like the best guess as to his identity. "Proto-Papyrus" was a fedora-tipper completely unlike the Papyrus we know or The Man, and Grandpa Semi was a cut character who may or may not have been reworked into Gaster and we know absolutely nothing of substance about him.
>>715303285>posts the one single instancegreat job anon that sure proved your theory right
keep ignoring everything about Noelle being the Angel, Spamton saying Angel ONLY when Noelle is there and not all the times he's alone with Kris and You
make sure to keep up with your cope that'll do you good in the long run I'm sure
>>715303448we know enough
Kris litteraly gets a panic attack mid fight when the Knight is fighting their friends.
>>715303612what are you, some kinda centrist? get the fuck outta here, fencesitter.
>>715299641socially retarded glasses girls my beloved
>>715303361I forgot to mention the critical point here that the prophecy is that the Angel must be banished, but showing Kris and his soul in the mural, and likely mentioning Kris in some way, which is why Susie freaks out over it.
>>715303315>>715303407I have Toriel Propaganda fatigue.
>>715303501Yeah there's no ground to stand on for that, Yellow is derided by any fan with a brain for being retardedly written, calling single fan fights cringe in comparison is just pot calling the kettle black.
>>715303448This, the whole point of the Chapter 3 was reminding everyone that we know jack shit about who Kris really is and what his goals really are, no matter how much we hear from other characters, and then Chapter 4 furthered this by directly pointing out in its ending sequence that Kris is in contact with the Knight, just in case any of the optional hints or confirmations were missed.
We're not gonna actually know Kris until he banishes us from himself and we get to meet him firsthand with our vessel, which was Gaster's original intention this entire time.
Every time the "smellow" guy posts I want you to remember he's doing this because he's angry that people like it more than his favorite Sans genocide fangames. Just keep that in mind.
>>715293870>Deltarune is Hot Fuzz except with a secret society of schizos instead of a secret society of old people
>>715303031Susie is too selfless to act so furious at the sight of the prophecy. She wouldn't mind dying as much as knowing somebody close to her has to die
>>715303764>Shartletfag secondary puts Yellow in the same tier as gif related.Typical.
>>715303845I don't give a shit about fangame slop. Talk about Deltarune or shut the fuck up.
>>715302903Suselle is a joke
Reminder that it is hard confirmed that Kris is not the only human in DELTARUNE by the fact that there is a book in the library about "How to Care for a Human" which Toriel checked out. This means that at least one other human has existed elsewhere in this world and someone wrote how to care for them. Even more likely is that there are multiple humans. Who writes a book for others to read on how to care for seemingly one entity that won't need to be cared for after a certain point?
Will Ralsei turning against (YOU) be inevitable?
>>715303563This but unironically.
>>715303935it would be so cathartic...
>>715303935Where's the red glowy text
>>715303960Yeah, we know you love skeleton cock, no need to repeat yourself.
>>715303924Was there any doubt that other humans existed in this world? Did people really think Kris was the sole human?
>Kris killed Dess by pushing her into the lake
>he turned her bloated corpse into a Darkner to cause Roaring and destroy the world
>he is manipulating Carol by blackmailing her with the proof of corruption at city hall
>he raped Noelle (Mantle said he enjoyed it)
>(You) will escape his clutches and possess Susie instead
>she will be a nice and compliant host to you
>the ending is (You) killing Kris and kissing Noelle in Susie's body V-J Day style
>>715303935Almost certainly.
>>715303764You're honest, and a golden example of a Yellowfan. Ignore this irony poisoned retard:
>>715303901
>>715303935If you feed him with love and care he will be your willing immolated lamb
Weird route he's probably going to freak out at one point
I don't think treating him good or poorly will matter much at the end
>>715303612>idiots that want Yellow to be canonDon't exist
>>715303845>Everyone that dislikes (not even the game just it's fanbase) is the same person.Yellowfags not bringing in their brightest.
>>715303901I've been there since day one, can you say the samefag?
>>715304087Pathetic samefagging attempt.
>>715303901soo are you trying to imply most UTY fans on /v/ are secondaries, because I think this board is the most vocal with shitting on the games storytelling
>>715303110>>715303216>>715303321Hey female humans avatarfag how's it going?
>>715303924I'm also wondering what is the point for Kris to even be a human.
Undertale made it clear, whole plotline is about Monsters Vs Humans and sensless war. But in Deltarune everything seem to be about Monsters. So why a plotline about adopted human? Just for self insertion reason? Would make sense to have some side for human trying to bring apocalypse toward monsters in order for them to retake the world, but it doesnt seem like anything in the Roaring mention any barrier and plot relevancy to Undertale
>>715304186Kys schizo. Accept you like fanmadeslop.
>>715303645>um, noelle wore angel wings once so she's the angel!>pls believe my theory based on information only present in chapters 1 and 2lol
>>715303884The spectrum of how selfless she is doesn't really matter, does it? The prophecy foretold that there's a lot of stuff in her life that she hasn't seen yet, and that she's gonna die soon after. Even if she's omega selfless, she's still basically a kid with a lot of self doubt.
>>715304250Let's talk about something good instead. Like how Suselle is good and is definitely going to be canon.
>>715304151>you're actually the angel because you... ummm... possess the angel and that's le transitive property right? also the reflection!at least i'll only have to wait a year to be vindicated
>>715304275Because the prophecy calls for a cage with a soul and human parts. Destiny is LITERALLY the only reason Kris is here.
>>715304250It's normal for threads to fight sometimes
>>715304309>this is the best anon could come up withamazing
>>715303935It would be really convenient if Ralsei was a secret villain. Would solve the problem of creating a romance route for him because he has much less choices and flags for Kris to pick up than Susie and Noelle.
>>715303645Both Player and Noelle are the Angel because they are the same. Just like you and Chara are the same in the end, because Chara represents you, and so does Noelle.
>>715304364I just think it's really interesting the human posts stopped after someone came out of the woodworks to defend a Chara fangame in particular that nobody mentioned.
>>715304185Yes.
>>715304224I'm implying you started using imageboards less than a year ago, faggot.
>decent thread derailed by some schizo having a melty about fanslop
Don't you guys have a containment thread?
>>715304254? Yellow is fine. Clover is alright guy even if I donโt like his ship with Chara, and some FemClovers can be hot. Please get me out of your head.
>Noelle is both the 2nd Hero AND the Angel
>>715304401Why didn't Tobias just established all monsters can contain a soul and gave you a goat monster OC to control?
>>715304584>Undertale Red and YellowFinally, some REAL content.
>>715304584Had, they don't give a shit to keep their borders up anymore because the interest is long dead outside of schizos who've made it their entire existence and personality.
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>>715304275YOU are a human. It follows that your vessel is human as well.
>>715304653No human parts, no prophecy fulfillment. What you're asking for is the vessel anyway, and we were denied that by whoever the fuck so we could ruin Kris's life instead.
>>715304515>>715304184>>715304584They're insecurefags that can't accept they are as fanon as other popular fan works. Plus now they think everyone who says so is their personal boogeyman.
>>715304532so youโre just gonna avoid the question and go with โle newfagโ then? if thatโs your way of admitting you donโt have an argument, then Iโll take it :^)
>>715304618noelle is the second hero (girl #1), the angel, the desire of the angel, the girl (alleged girl #2), the cage (seeded in snowgrave), and the ice mage who is used up in the sword route. it's really incredible. she's so talented and versatile
>>715298690>"the entire town venerates a religion of deltarune and proliferates iconography of the angel and the Holiday family (Noelle especially) is known for being very involved in the church BUT THAT TOTALLY ISNT NOELLE JUST RECOUNTING HER PART IN TOWN TRADITIONS THAT'S ACTUALLY LE TOBY SAYING SHE'S THE ANGEL!!!"Retard.
>>715304532>"Yes">No memory of everyone having multi-paragraph rants about the wasted potential of YellowSmells like secondary
>>715304784>To this day people don't realize this happened because of Chara (a demon) gaining more power and think it's a metaphor.
>>715304418I've already posted multiple things straight from the game to back up my claim while all you've done is say "nuh-uh", so either post multiple instances of Noelle with all this supposed angel imagery or I'll just take your next reply as a concession.
>>715304784I'm not a non binary troon with yellow skin
>>715304689There's still weekly threads, but the actual "containment" thread is mostly for devanons to make their own fangames now. In fact there were some schizos having a meltdown before that the threads were no longer Yellow themed despite a majority of the fangames being developed still being about Yellow, so you might have your culprit for the one anon having a melty in this thread.
>>715305073True, but that's because you aren't a yellow skinned girl.
>>715303160>The Roaring Knight can't be dess because she is missingwhat if the knight is just her soulless body or mutated version of her after being in the dark for so long (and might have gone a bit insane if the drooling is any indication), while dess' soul/mind is still lost in the dark world?
that would make her both the knight and missing
>>715304947you don't understand how to read stories. if there's a super important entity known as the angel, and a character who wears angel accessories, she's going to be directly related to the angel. there are no red herrings in deltarune.
>>715304515That's because I don't want to spam the thread with humans anymore. I said so several times before. Do you WANT me to keep avatarfagging?
>>715305043oh the ironing
>>715305108>could've had unrepentant edgekino as the perfect encapsulation of what early fandom Underfell was like, this Sans being someone who's genuinely too far gone and that you SHOULD kill him because you're not Miracle Worker Frisk in this scenario>instead bitched out because it was "MY UNDERFELL BEING WRONGFULLY CONSTRUED" and made a patch that turned him into a redeemable dindu
What if the girl in prophecy is either Noelle or Susie depending on the route you take?
>Knight takes off its helmet
>Those aren't horns, they're The Original
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Starwalkers
This knight is pissing me off
Why is this monster so stupid? We see blood on Susie and Ralsei
Hot take: Yellow Clover should have had a different name so I don't keep thinking you are talking about the real Clover, the hot three headed cat thing.
>>715305402Concession accepted.
>>715305561This monster is the only reason hybrid Susie theory exists.
>>715305561Kids are stupid
>>715305561Because it's a kid, kids don't know shit.
>>715305604does this make you feel better
>>715305561susie bleeds and MAYBE noelle does but we dont know if other monsters do
also the blood on ralsei's face is susie's, and as far as we know darkners can bleed
>>715305604Clover was made before Deltarune Clover, ironically enough.
>Multiple monster types exist that realistically shouldn't blled, like fire elementals
>The one monster to ask this blood question is some rabbit
Not gonna argue about it, but this detail makes the question really stupid
>>715305604Hot take: why isn't there porn of Clover fucking Clover?
I wish Ralsei could keep his hat, or his cloak, or at the very least his butler uniform.
>>715304275Monsters don't have SOULs in the same way humans do. That was established in Undertale.
For the fountains to be closed, they need a SOUL to do it properly.
There's no vacancy in Susie, Noelle, Berdly, or the other monsters to do this, and no way to get a SOUL to the dark world in preparation for any fountains.
So, a human is needed, and Toriel has a thing for human boys. A motherly thing, not a sexual thing, no patter what r34.xxx says about it.
>>715305605whatever helps you cope anon ;)
>>715304275It makes Kris an outcast everywhere, even in his own home. And that makes him a perfect mark for a devil looking to make a deal.
>>715305793Ralsei also wished he could keep his horse costume.
Don't let the goat play dress-up, or we'll be up to our necks in furries in different-species fursuits.
>>715304151Thatโs actually a pretty good amount of total votes, refreshing to know these threads still have a lot of people in them
>>715305561it's susie's blood on ralsei, we know he doesn't have any because he poofs into clothing when he gets hurt enough
>>715304151where's the susie option?
>>715293340Did you just outright ignore him stabbing ralsei and susie in the back?
>>715306081Stop acting like everyone agrees with your theory, you're so annoying.
>>715305981Half Human Susie.
>>715305797>i can't provide proof... t-that means im winningBuck status: Broken
>>715306053Missing, so I just voted for the Player, instead.
>>715304584god id fuck the shit out of chara in this
>>715305981hybrid susie is the idea that susie is half human half monster, which is why she bleeds
it only exists because the rabbit monster asks kris if it hurts to be made out of blood in ch1, which implied that monsters don't have any
deltarune has been pretty vague on how monsters work compared to undertale, we don't even have real confirmation that they turn to dust on death or if it's another word for cremation, their burial traditions are the same though
>>715306151NTA but I agree with it.
>>715306323I would do this normally.
>>715306350and you aren't everyone, are you?
Thread has gone to shit. Am I right lads or am I right lads?
>>715305794we don't know how monster souls work in DR yet, and this upsets me because I really wanted to know but instead what we get is monster burial book
>>715302590>ywn corner noelle and grind up against her tail until you cover it with snowshe would thank you, too
>>715306452i am and we also agree
>>715306452He's not. But I am, and we also agree with it.
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>>715306438yeah but this one would be even harder than usual
the line where she thanks you for still talking to her after the barrier is broken is very cute
>>715304958There's a difference between that and saying it's on the level of
>>715305108.
>SGDQ run is 2 hours away
you guys will be there... right?
>>715306295https://files.catbox.moe/8ltcug.png
>Tempted to post that lewd edit>But I don't want to get a three-day ban againIt tickled me pink since there was literal porn on the front page when they banned me.
Those jannies got a bone to pick.
>>715306718Please change the hue to something more natural.
>>715306718Mods always say it's okay when it's BLACKED or gacha sluts.
>>715306252>I'm sure if I ignore some of the presented arguments cause I have no way of proving them wrong anon will not noticethe absolute state
>>715306632God, my human wives look so cute here... and Clover is here, I guess.
>>715306820At this point there's no pleasing everyone, so I just decided not to touch it anymore.
I was told me make it darker, then lighter, now more natural.
Sorry it's not to your preference.
>>715306592Did Kris and Noelle ever play doctor on her long-ass couch
>>715306829It was black buck-breaking, actually.
That's why it was extra insulting.
Does anyone else do a silent sorta fake laugh when listening to some of the songs some times? Like along to the music?
>>715306871>still no screenshots from the game to back up his claim>no in-game text>not even a youtube link I can skim throughStay mad, sis.
>>715297420Neither was Derek.
>>715307153>too retarded to use the internetdon't worry no one feels sorry for you