Thread 715740517

How will the industry change going forward?

>console
lol lmao

>>715740517 (OP)
Same as it is now and same as it was last gen. MS hasn’t had any cultural relevance or influence with gaming in a long time.

The massive influx of xboxfags to the PS6 will give us the numbers we need to defeat nintendo

>>715740517 (OP)
Remove PlayStation and replace it with Steam. Only Switch and Steam exist, nothing else.

>>715740517 (OP)
Nothing. Xbox will continue to try and shill cloud gaming to force people on PC because WINDOWS. Playstation will continue to make retarded decisions because their only main competitor (Xbox) are fucking retarded. Nintendo will continue selling games to children and pedophiles. PCvegans will continue to seethe and shit their pants that people are still buying and playing consoles. Same shit, different generation.

Xbox will be discontinued with a push to gamepass and steam releases. Xbox may release some titles on Switch, like if they ever let rare play with old IPs they'll get switch ports. New Halo games will release on everything.
Nintendo just going to keep Nintendoing. Im sure they'll release a japan exclusive game into the US and only sell it for a limited time again No, not mother 3, prolly fire emblem gaiden or mystery of the emblem. People will hate em, including there own fans but they will be making great $$$ for the coming years. They will make solid games from a gameplay stance but none of them will be graphical showcases. 30 FPS might become their standard.
Sony is at a crossroad. They need to make games. I think we're in for several PS classics getting rebooted or remade. Not just 1st party but everything known for being with the playstaion brand. Another metal gear remake, jak and daxter, and possibly even sly cooper. Sony is out of ideas so doing what they done and coping Nintendo are kinda their own plays. May work. Might not. Hard to say but I do not see the PS5 outselling the PS4 or the Switch 2

>>715741994
Switch 2 sales have fallen off a cliff this week. Outside of early adopters nobody is really buying Switch 2s right now.

>>715741994
>gamepass
Everyone is dropping that, so chances are, that doesn't have a future since third parties are no longer bothering with it.

>>715743596
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-07-17/nintendo-switch-2-ignites-sales-spikes-at-gamestop-gme-best-buy-bby
Bullshit

>>715740517 (OP)
Nintendo makes less money than Xbox, they are dead too. The only winner is Playstation.

>>715743749
Meant for >>715743421

>>715743798
This sounds like Snoy cope

>>715740517 (OP)
Nintendo goes third party so they can stop restricting their open world games with tablet hardware.

>>715741261
This

Why do hundreds of retards on here keep believing that Xbox is dead when they literally announced there will be a proper next gen Xbox console 2 weeks ago?

>>715743749
He saw the sales go from 110k last week to 70k this week in Japland and is claiming the sales are "collapsing" everywhere.

Completely ignoring that that 70k is still raping and gaping everything else there, and the fact that those sales are the week before a major release.

>>715740517 (OP)
Will continue to get worse now that Sony has no competition and doesn't have to try. Tendies will still eat whatever Nintendo shits out, so nothing really changes there.

>>715740517 (OP)
by adjusting

>>715740517 (OP)
Xbox isn't going to die. Its going to go third party like Sega so you'll see Xbox on Playstation and Switch what you won't see is gamepass becasue Nintendo and Sony wouldn't get much of a cut

>>715744674
then xbox has nothing to offer
it will never die officially, but it will fade

>>715744225
>this post just gets ignored

>>715744853
Xbox=Microsoft dumbass, its worth more then Sony and Nintendo combined. They aren't going to throw out the brand if they go third party

>>715744225
""""""proper"""""""
Nigga it's gonna be a PC. You will be able to install Steam on it

>>715745053
That's why it will crush PS6

“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that’s on us, not on anybody else - ....But we’re not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you’re going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation when everybody built their digital library of games....
...........
I see a lot of pundits out there that kinda want to go back to the time when we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate and you could switch the whole share. That’s just not the world that we are in today. There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That’s not gonna happen.” Phil Spencer (the CEO of Microsoft Gaming)

>>715744853
>then xbox has nothing to offer
Microsoft never was a hardware company to begin with. Xbox was a really big deal for MSFT when it started out, in terms of logistics.
Sony always had hardware since almost inception i think.
most these japanese companies started out as radio fabricating companies or instrument fabricating companies like Yamaha.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYsA1jXf60
Power On: The Story of Xbox | Chapter 1: The Renegades - Xbox - 5.64M subscribers 2.8M views 3 years ago
(there are 6 chapters)

fuck, micosoft even gave up on internet explorer. MSFT are the whores of the software/digital industry.
you do not get to top 1 or top 3 by being virtuous. if you want top 1 spot, you need to let yourself be whored out and practically have no care in the world. goes for companies and people.

>>715744225
Because it is, they're putting their shit on everything, their next gen is expensive handhelds, expensive pre-built PCs, an expensive home console, and Cloud crap. They're promoting Valve's Steam over their own storefront, they're gutting everything that isn't Halo, Gears of War, Forza Horizon, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Call of Duty, Minecraft, Blizzard's IPs, and Kings's IPs. They're pretty much dead and third party now. They're not even pushing Game Pass anymore after this year is up. Everything they say now pertains to Windows and AI, Xbox is dead and that includes the Xbox OS and dev kits. It's Microsoft Gaming now.

>>715740517 (OP)
Why is Xbox crossed out? They're doing Steam support next gen.
>>715740630
Yes.

>>715745489
They're not, you have to install Steam manually from the Desktop and the only way to play Steam games is through the Steam app. There is no back door nor will Steam games be optimized.

>>715745053
if you can just jailbreak it and put older windows/linux on it or install steam i don't see how they're making their money back
sure it'll be good for the consumer and it'll forcibly lower the gpu pricing at and below its tiers but how do you make money when you're not even guaranteed a cut from third parties

>>715745740
Gamepass subscriptions

>>715745675
Well the leaks said then new Xbox will have Steam support

Nintendo makes less money than Xbox and Xbox is dead.
Both Xbox and Nintendo are massive disasters with a collapse of their gaming consoles and nobody buying their games.

>>715745389
>That’s just not the world that we are in today. There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s
sounds like a reasonable guy and a great leader

>>715745797
Not him but that's not being pushed anymore after COD failed on it. Microsoft's big pushes are publisher, Windows, and AI, Game Pass is no longer a major part of this because it failed. They want you spending the $70-$80 on their games now. Constantly shouting Gamepass subscriptions just outs you as a third worlder.

>>715745932
Those leaks don't tell the entire truth. You want full Steam support, you get a Steam Deck 2 in 2027 or just install SteamOS.

>>715745943
>revenue
my child

>>715745975
>here is a bunch of wrong information, and if you disagree you're a third worlder
I can see you already laid out the entire shitposting manual you'll throw at me here so you don't even need me. Go ahead and have a conversation with yourself

>>715745943
>revenue
Profits?

>>715744674
>>715744853
let's also not forget, Xbox/Microsoft gave rise to Plex and Kodi i.e. home cinema libraries with the homebrew creation of XBMC i.e. being the uncaring whores they are, whereas Sony and Nintendo clamped down more with each generation. didn't sony patch out the linux install option the ps3 had?

>>715746147
This just sounds like your cope. How are Microsoft going to sell you Gamepass with expensive hardware, moving away from the Xbox dev environment for Windows, killing the Xbox OS for Windows, and games on everything? Game Pass can only work with a traditional Xbox console, not a prebuilt PC.

>>715745797
but the current model is to sell consoles at a loss and maybe recoup it with the 30% cut from sales and gamepass
if what you say is true then the console sales are significantly less likely to be recouped

>>715740517 (OP)
I imagine with xbox gone PC will just slowly bludgeon the other 2 to death. The other day I saw a thread on a zoomer manga website and they were just all dogpiling on a dude for choosing the switch 2 over the deck and calling him retarded.

>>715746331
Damn if only microsoft also owned the most popular gaming system on the planet: windows.

>>715746098
>you get a Steam Deck 2
Lol fucking shill. UMPCs are dogshit.

>>715740760
When Xbox One happened, those Xbox fags never jumped to next gen or went PC. The same will happen this time.

>>715746368
Fuck off tranny

>>715746423
Most people on Windows PC just use Steam, not Gamepass; again, how will Gamepass survive without a traditional console to recoup cost?

>>715746530
and steam is installed on?

>>715746498
Consoles are a rotting corpse, the sooner you get out the better.

>>715746368
that's not going to happen, the world needs dedicated retard devices and pcs are still infinitely less retard proof because you can always just completely brick your OS install and normies don't know you could get a linux iso on a flash drive and booting within 10 minutes
there's a high chance you'll be able to run gta6 at launch with the ps5 emulator and the switch 2 is months away from emulation anyway, pc just absorbs them

>>715746565
A PC running a free OS that Microsoft is not making money from

>>715746574
This but PC

>>715746425
>shill
You're shill for saying otherwise. You get a Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2, nothing else. Why waste money on unaffordable hardware when Steam will have all of Microsoft's and Sony's games anyway plus more. You're a retard for choosing Xbox or PlayStation, at this point. Only reason you'll get those is if you're a shill.

>>715746574
pc vegan

>>715746624
damn 2.57% of the total PC gaming market, that's not a lot.

>>715746565
if microsoft tries to swing at valve the year of the linux desktop will be achieved overnight
microsoft has no way of monetising their marketshare

>>715746624
Wrong answer. Windows.

>>715740517 (OP)

How do Microshits feel their brand becoming the next SEGA getting ousted from the console race? Gotta be honest its a surreal experience whenever it happens.

>>715746565
Again, how will Gamepass survive?

>>715746604
>that's not going to happen, the world needs dedicated retard devices
Yeah, that's what windows is.

>>715746705
Windows 11 is free, retard

>>715746672
I'm playing umamusume right now, guess I'm the REAL gamer

>>715746741
The last time we had any information about gamepass was that it was profitable, it already survived.

>>715746660
>Steam will have all of Microsoft's and Sony's games anyway plus more.
And Xbox will have steam.

>>715746749
it's not retard proofed enough my guy
consoles are complete baby mode with guis with massive letters around every corner, even windows 11 gives you plenty of avenues to fuck up

>>715740517 (OP)
sell xbox game studios to the nippon

Anime profile avatar posting retard is a PC fanboy and hilariously out of touch. Plus he's a gacha lowlife. He probably thinks the Steam Deck outsold the Switch 1 in his cartoon feeble minded head. GTA6 is not on PC.

>>715740517 (OP)
more retardedly anticonsumer

>>715740517 (OP)
It will collapse; Which is good and based.

>>715746868
What year was that, Microsoft also lies about these things. As it currently stands. Gamepass is the traditional Xbox console. You still haven't explained how it will survive if everyone is using Steam either on Windows or on the SteamOS.

>>715744419
switch 2 isn’t winning shit lmao

>>715746736
Doesn't bother me. I'll just be forced to go back to gaystation and their dogshit controllers

Since the PC vegan fanboy won't shut up, I suppose his rotting brain is consumed by Gacha and /v/ PC fanboy echochamber. Steam Machines failed, tragic too.

>>715746893
will xbox make any money off them? obviously not
xbox will "have" steam the same way some brownoid will "have" a female celebrity crush, completely vicariously

>>715746893
At $1000+ with money they're not getting. I'm still trying to figure out how is this going to work.

>>715747015
Xbox is also the largest games publisher on the planet, are you really asking how they'll survive when their games sell like crazy on steam?

>>715746895
>it's not retard proofed enough my guy
Any retard can buy a pre-built. Once normalfags realize they outlast consoles anyways there's gunna be a major paradigm shift. PC already has an exponentially bigger share of the game market than it used to, and eventually poor fags are going to realize upgrading that pre-built is as easy as pulling 2 plastic levers. The company that plants this idea in their head is gunna be rich.

>>715746574
steam is getting their shit wrecked, not possible

>>715744419
Based, now either add the Steam or Steam Deck logo next to the Switch logo.

>>715747035
>all consoles put together with their retard advantage are only beating pc by 25%
this is supposed to make you look good?

>>715740517 (OP)
like this

>>715747105
>will xbox make any money off them? obviously not
hey retard, when people buy xbox's games off steam they get paid. Their games arent free. If you cant figure out such a simple concept, you're basically retarded and not worth arguing with.

The master plan. Sell one thousand dollar Xbox Rog Ally handhelds so people buy games off Steam. And no one pays the Xbox online subscription. The Xbox Rog Ally can't even play native Xbox One or Series games either. This is the type of retard /v/ has bred, the Xbox diehard fanboy. 1K handheld, wow.

>>715747107
>>715747105
Are you aware Microsoft has floated Xbox for over two decades without seeing a dime in investment returns? Why would this suddenly change? They're perfectly fine taking losses as long as their foot is in the door.

>>715746934
Why do you keep posting this image? 23% PC versus 28% split between 3 consoles. Do you realize how stupid you're making yourself look? This chart is literally saying there are more people playing on PC than any one console. It's proving him right.

>>715744225
because they spent 6 years working on a handheld only to throw it away for a chinkdeck

Do you realize how stupid the average Xbox fanboy is? Xbox OEM handheld costs over one thousand dollars. You could buy a PS5 and Switch 2 plus a used Steam Deck at that price. And all that so Xbox Rog Ally can launch Steam which makes Xbox zero revenue. And zero revenue stream from no one paying for online.

Genuinely stunning third world logic for xbox third place fanboys.

>>715747295
>there are more people playing on PC than any one console
Cool, there are more people playing on consoles than any one PC storefront.

>>715746934
is the mobile market with console sales?
PC probably outsells consoles if you factor in hardware + games for both. (depends how you calculate the Switch, as mobile or console)
find me better graphs cause i'm interested now, how it all stacks against each other

>>715747245
hey retard, it's still diluting their profit margins
now instead of getting
100% off first party shit
30% from third party shit
subscriptions
all nearly guaranteed
they get
70% off steam on first party shit if someone buys those games

>>715747448
99% of pc players are on steam you snoyboy

>>715747295
When's GTA6 releasing on PC vegan, the world's smallest gaming platform?

>>715747354
PS Portal

Concord

>>715747228
There's more PCs than consoles.

Consoles just MOG.

>>715747492
that 30% cut comes with a lot of costs attached which basically makes it less profitable. Selling for 70% on steam is pure revenue since they dont need to work on anything else. Xbox is cutting costs and transitioning into selling games and that's the smart plan instead of wasting billions in a dying console market.

>>715740517 (OP)

Just like old times broes

>>715747495
Well over 50% of that userbase are not even in console markets, speak english, or have western values and culture

>>715747448
>any one PC storefront.
The nice thing about a PC is you don't have to choose only one. There's a certain appeal to not being a helpless bootlicker trapped in a curated content bubble.

So not seeing that GTA6 release date for /v echochamber PC vegan/ in spite of all the talk that they're the biggest gaming platform????

>>715747574
do you think those gaming revenues come from all those office pcs and netbooks with bare minimum igpus?

>>715747626
sega is too busy making shitty sonic games

>>715747649
>The nice thing about a PC is you don't have to choose only one.
Same with consoles my transitioning suicidal friend

>>715747703

Just like old Sega then

>>715747669
>GTA6
I'm not black or slav so why would I play that

>>715747727
>Same with consoles
How does someone with a PS5 play a game on nintendos eshop?

>>715747669
will be playable day one on rpcsx5 lmao

>>715747119
>Xbox is also the largest games publisher on the planet
This is becoming less true by the day with all the layoffs, studio closures, canceled projects, and shelved IPs. Windows won't die, but their hardware is dead.

console gigachads get to alphatest the game at 10fps 720p

>>715747630
This becomes even more grim when you realise Steam is India's gaming platform of choice, and India's dominant language is English.

>>715747847
nope.

>>715748060
yeah
cope

>>715747282
Now Microsoft wants to see those investments after spending $70 billion on gaming instead of AI. So, I don't know why you still believe Xbox hardware is safe.

>>715747802
You can't, nor do you need to. Have you not bought a TV in a while lil tranny bro? They have like 4 HDMI ports and multiple display settings that auto load depending on what platform you're running

>>715748120
Because Xbox is owned by Microsoft. If that doesn't mean anything to you then stop discussing markets and business with me.

>>715747992
vegan

>>715748265
That means nothing now, Microsoft didn't kill Xbox in the past because it was nothing more than a blip on the screen for them. This changed when Phil Money Bags began spending like crazy around $80 billion on gaming when it was supposed to go to AI which pissed off their shareholders. Now Microsoft wants investments on their gaming side which is why we're seeing these closures. Why are you saying the exact opposite of what's been directly coming out of Satya's, Amy's, Phil's, Sarah's, and Matt's mouth?

>>715747495
we know /v valve vegan/. echochamber

>>715748490
My microsoft stocks are up 20% over the last 6 months, 15% over the last year, and 150% over the last 5 years. The shareholders, me, are fine.

>>715740517 (OP)
The other two should have Xs through them as well.

>>715748674
>revealing that you work for Microshit
Good god, man

>>715748467
>>715748647
>pc has so many good games that you can get by playing old shit and only upgrade if you care as opposed to when a corpo tells you to
this is bad because?

>>715748767
You'll survive.

>home consoles will survive
This is your brain on Xbot and Snoyroach. People will just get a Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2.

>>715748647
this is what it itll look like on ps5

>>715748918
>UMPC

>>715749082
You don't own shit on Windows either, retard.

>>715749168
Or SteamOS

>>715749232
then just use a different distro

>>715749232
SteamOS has all the games and plays them better than the bloated ass Windows.

>>715749276
I am: consoles

>>715748918
The Steam Deck hasn't even outsold the PSP. lol. You truly live in an echochamber of PC fanboys and /v vegan valve/
>>715748945
Concession accepted. Dilate tranny PC fanboy.

>>715740630
>>715745489
Fuck both of you faggots

>>715748148
Are you pretending to be retarded? If I want to play something on epic's game store I don't need to buy a new $600 piece of hardware. All launchers are free on PC which means all storefronts are competing based purely on their appeal to the consumer. You don't "buy in" for a particular storefront. For example, remember when Epic tried giving away "free" games and this ultimately produced shitty titles no one wanted? Well, if Epic was a console you had to pay $600 to gain access to, the people that did that would be stuck with it due to sunken cost fallacy and that cancerous agenda would have succeeded. This is why consoles are able to have a plethora of anti-consumer practices, like paid online. This is why the Switch 2 has a crappy LCD screen, so its 20 years behind in terms of display technology, worse than even phones. They're cutting quality to the absolute minimum just to compete in terms of pricing. Like I can buy an android tablet and use it to read manga, can't do that on a Switch because its a game only kids toy. The steam deck is literally a portable universal media box, that you can rip apart and upgrade with no proprietary hardware. This should be the standard for ALL gaming hardware.

>>715749509
>he's ignoring the fact that the game industry will condense
Normalfags will drop out due to high prices and hatred of Nintendo, Valve, and handhelds.

>>715749509
you seem really excited to play this slop, is it because your waste of tablespace has no games that are actually worth playing?

>>715749536
I'll bite, why?

>>715749309
you don't own anything about the console itself
you can't just have your whole fucking pc bricked like a console
would you rather own the land or the furniture

>>715749575
Forgot to mention I'm not replying to or reading your posts anymore, tranny. Stop posturing and LARPing as a freak trannoid if you want to hold my attention. If you require my concession now, take it. Peace.

I can't believe this generation is ending in a couple years. Flew by fast.

>>715749852
I disagree since you own console hardware and select games for that hardware, vs nothing on PC.

>>715740517 (OP)
Xbox still existed?

>>715750087
Why do you retards always equate PC to DRM? You still own games on a computer if you got them via GOG or piracy. Heck, even many games on Steam don't have DRM.

>>715750087
if you truly owned it you wouldn't have to do jailbreaking and connecting online after doing it wouldn't be a bannable offense

>>715750251
False if/then
>>715750223
Pic

>>715743421
How is being sold out falling off a cliff? Because you can occasionally find it for sale online and buy it if you’re fast enough? Let me guess you went to 10 stores today (in your imagination) and saw shelves stocked with them.

>>715750367
Why would I want to sell an account with games I like for like 1/5th of the money I invested in it? Not that it affects me so much because I pirate most of my shit anyway.

>>715750367
>false
but it's true?
even phones are easily usable after rooting
meanwhile console jailbreaking makes you as complete persona non grata
and to get yourself banned on pc to the extent of what's normal on console you actually have to earn that ban and be a complete brazen cunt anywhere you go

>>715750367
how poor are you if reselling games is a dealbreaker to you
if you enjoy games you keep them so you can replay them

>>715750736
they gotta afford gta6 ($450 usd) somehow

>>715750625
I can't read your mind.
>>715750645
>but it's true
No it's definitely false. DRM or the lack of has nothing to do with owning hardware and software. That's a different topic that relates to the legality of modding, hacking, piracy, etc. If your next reply is another false if/then statement like "if you can't mod or hack then you don't own" then my next reply will be "false if/then"

>>715750736
What's the answer? I've never heard this riddle before.

I think it'll just be fortnite, roblox and maybe a couple other platform games like minecraft going forward. Video games will go through a similar consolidation path that retail stores (lots variety boutiques killed by walmart and amazon) and websites (lots of variety in specialized websites killed by twitter and youtube) did.

>>715750927
>y-you're wrong
faggot
if your definition of owning a console is effectively cucking it down to a 1x emulator with offline games that are functionally indistinguishable to pirated ones then why fucking care at all
what do you gain from it aside from the gay little fetish you have going on

>>715747019
Nintendo already won

I'll just keep on only buying first party nintendo games and whichever japanese AA games appeal to me

>>715751173
This, I'm only getting a Switch 2, Steam Deck 2, Nintendo games, indie games, and AA games in the future. I will barely get any AAA game if at all.

>>715748918
I agree home consoles will die and Nintendo will be the last one standing in the end, but nobody will buy a deck 2 because nobody has bought a deck. The S2 outsold the lifetime sales of the deck in 48 hours

>>715751090
>if your definition
It's not my definition, it's THE definition. Familiarize yourself with legal concepts like ownership. The more facts you understand about the reality of the world around you the smarter you become.

>>715740517 (OP)
it will stop getting updates after jungle inferno

>>715751452
deck is a training ground for linux and proton with a small launch you dumb tendie
read the room
valve has to put effort into the shit they do, they can't just shart out out a brick and force devs into developing for it like nintendo

>>715740517 (OP)
>hahaha microsoft is just giving up
>they're just like... embracing other platforms, maybe extending them a little at most
>we totally won!!!!
Consoleniggers are in for such a rude awakening in another decade lmao

>>715751583
>my definition of ownership is so petty and stripped down you might as well just not buy the console at all
cool
thanks for admitting that

>>715751784
See >>715751583

>>715751452
Most PC handheld players will most likely just get a Deck 2 given the price will be the lowest. Xbox and PlayStation tanking will also move many there as well. It'll never sell console numbers, but it'll sell well. Most Normalfags will drop out of gaming though.

>>715751867
yeah
if what you say is true then there's no value in buying consoles at all

>>715751910
>Most Normalfags will drop out of gaming though.
Lol no. We are the market. If that happens gaming dies all together.

>>715751958
False if/then. You're really good at lying. Impressively good at it. You almost never tell the truth, it's amazing. I bet your life is fantastic.

>>715751910
i can see decks easily replacing laptops for gaymers assuming they develop a better cooling solution that can boost to like 100+ watts when docked
both the built in keyboard and the touchpad are infinitely inferior to dedicated peripherals, wireless shit is on par with wired now and 60% keyboards are easy to get used to and portable

>>715746913
If only they had modest budgets, team sizes and expectations they could just give nips the chance to make new games or IPs for xbox. But line has to always go up and it has to be exponentially so they'd rather gamble.

>>715752047
You weren't the market in the 80s, you're the market in the 90s, and while you started entering the market in the early 2000s, you still weren't the market then either. You started becoming the market in the 2010. The market doesn't need you nor has it ever needed you.

>>715752107
why would i want to "own" a console when you yourself admitted it has no real value over just emulating and pirating
reselling? i'm not poor enough to pennypinch that shit, i'd rather keep mementos

>>715747295
Those numbers are all made up anyways. You can just pick a random chart for whatever result you want.

>>715740517 (OP)
>Steam and Nintendo furiously competing with mobile phones
>mean while Sony, the sole survivor, continues acting retarded while scalpers keep their console unavailable.
>>715744674
>microsoft enters console space to absorb game companies not using DirectX.
>ends up with a bunch of woke publishers, declares victory, and leaves the space.

>>715752156
You're joking right? Paypigs like me are the only reason a market can exist.

>>715748647
That's a stupid way to look at things, by this standard only 5% of consoles can run BL4.

>>715749997
he mogged you so hard. how will you take the courage to log into /v/ tomorrow

>>715752239
I can't read your mind. Are you asking what are the benifits of ownership?

>>715740517 (OP)
The Xbox consoles will remain as first+third party Windows/Xbox App devices but the Xbox console platform and runtime will slwoly be deprecated over time
Sony and Nintendo will continue to crush their revenue targets for a couple years but the real number of users will shrink as they slowly bleed users to the PC/Steam/Handheld group and fail to attract kids/teens playing increasingly competitive games on their phones due to high entry costs
My hot take is that this "core console gaming" will turn into the Disney or Lego of video games: premium toys for an aging audience while the actual target demographic moved on to something else

>>715746934
Consolewarrior-bro, don't look.

>>715752412
Wouldn't know. I scrolled past.

>>715750367
You can totally sell your GoG games. Multiple times, even.

>>715752439
what are the benefits of "owning" consoles and their games over just playing everything on pc?
name something that doesn't involve being so poor you need to resell shit

>>715743421
>Switch 2 sales have fallen off a cliff this week. Outside of early adopters nobody is really buying Switch 2s right now.
Switch 2 being successful and sold out almost everywhere that’s not Canada (good morning sars!) has really mind broke some of you. I even saw it in YouTube comments for the Donkey Kong game. “Nobody is buying Switch 2! Switch 2 is a failure!” What causes people to act like this? Aside from autism.

>>715752589
>what are the benefits of "owning" consoles and their games
You have a tangible object of apreciatable value. You can use it as an investment. You can trade it. You can display it. You can decorate it. You can sell it. You can brag about it. You can grade it. You can feel it. You can hold it. You can blow in the cart slot. You own it. Lots of things.

>>715752850
>gay reddit upvotes shit and forces reselling it despite clearly being told not to
FUNCTIONAL BENEFITS
not something that gives your sóy infused low testosterone dick a half chub

>>715740517 (OP)
The same thing during the Sixth Gen before Xbox came along. Sony and Nintendo will continue their rivalry.

>>715752372
You're the only reason the AAA market can exist but that'll be dying with the introduction of $100 games, AI-made games, $800-$1000+ home consoles, and $800+ handhelds. There is no saving that, it's over. The future of gaming is no normalfags.

>>715752990
But these are functional benefits for me.

>>715752453
Both Xbox an PlayStation will go full third party, signs already showing from both. won't be able to sell $700+ handhelds or $900+ home consoles. Only Nintendo and Valve will survive what's coming and most will just have their stuff and nothing else.

>>715753090
I'm sorry but robots like yourself don't have money and can't support markets. You are delusional. You guys literally fucking hate everything about modern gaming because nothign caters to you because you aren't the market anymore, I am.

>>715753224
>for me
no one cares about your astrology tier metrosexual attention seeking use cases
if i play games and i'm not stupid or vain then what fucking difference does it make to me if i have a more solid grasp on game ownership while everything else is worse

PC WON
JANNIES TONGUE MY ANUS
CHECK THIS 5

>>715753363
>shill calling anyone a robot
lol, the irony of it all

>>715753541
Based

>>715753486
I care about me.
>if i play games and i'm not stupid or vain then what fucking difference does it make to me if i have a more solid grasp on game ownership while everything else is worse
Enjoy playing games how you prefer to play them, PC vegan!

>>715753756
so you have nothing? that's it?
it doesn't matter that your experience is just worse because you have a plastic box with a game burned onto it?

>>715753541
>PC WON
Lost actually.
>>715753548
Sorry I thought the proper nomenclature was normies and robots. If you have a preferred pronoun, let me know so that I may stop offending your kind.

>>715753882
>so you have nothing?
No I have something.
>that's it?
Did I not answer all your questions?
>your experience is just worse
I disagree. Being an idort is superior to being a PC vegan.

>>715753905
>normies
Telling.

>>715753905
PC ALWAYS WINS BABY

>>715753905
>exclusives dying due to requiring more incentive for less work to compensate for bigger profits
>nintendo emulation arriving faster than ever
won actually

>>715753905
>tranny calling anyone a tranny
Stop shilling, troon

>>715753998
YOU LOST CONSOLESISSY

>>715746217
damn, I didn't know that. The whole Xbox project really did yield several positive industry changes. The Japan lovers will never admit this, but allowing the global gaming industry the stay in the hands of an insular island nation in the pacific is kinda dumb - the Japanese can be pretty retarded sometimes. I doubt few anons here really remember how backwards Japanese hardware and software was during the 6th and 7th gen. Nintendo is still backwards by many standards. I hope Xbox stays relevant if only to prevent Sony from monopolizing the industry.

>>715753998
yes, you answered that there are no practical reasons to be a consolecuck
thank you

>>715754027
PC lost in the Summer of '03 and never recovered from Gabe's assfucking.

>>715754126
Xbox did more harm to the console industry than Atari, Sony and Nintendo combined
Not only did they finance and popularize AAA slop but they pushed for the monetization consumerist hell you see nowadays

>>715754190
PC WON THE SECOND YOU NEEDED TO INSTALL GAMES ON CONSOLES

>>715754032
>Faster than ever
Switch Emulation was ready in the first month. Where the FUCK is my Switch 2 Emulator bitch?

>>715754032
>>exclusives dying due to requiring more incentive for less work to compensate for bigger profits
Less exclusives lost than what PC lost to consoles.
>>nintendo emulation arriving faster than ever
No PC games is worth emulating or pirating. But I apreciate that you value what I have that you can't play. Can't say the same for me.

>>715740517 (OP)
Sega will rise up and save the industry with a banger of a console.

>>715754190
if you're calling that assfucking then i shudder to think what you think about consoles becoming actual toys

>>715754139
>there are no practical reasons to be a consolechad
False I already listed them.

more Asian shit

>>715754104
>>715754267
Calm down PC vegan. You're shouting.

>>715754282
Consoles still can't play Command and Conquer Generals, Killing Floor 1 or Company of Heroes
Consoles modding and piracy is pathetic

You lost, you always lose

>>715754190
Typical post for a KWAB who never drew any dimes

>>715754275
It was? I think you’re confusing the Wii U emulator playing BotW. Switch emulation was pretty rough when it first came out

>>715754348
I don't ever think about what you think at all.

>>715754416
YOU LOST CONSOLEVEGGIE

>>715754421
Most PC users play console games

>>715754282
exclusives are a fiscally retarded choice, the only pc exclusives that are made now specifically take advantage of the power and precision and multitasking like rtses, strategy games etc which majority of the games are not in fact benefitting from
no one is throwing money in the name of pc exclusivity
console exclusivity only existed because console makers paid for them and in the case of nintendo, still do

>>715754421
That's why I have a PC. Idorts play everything.

>>715754553
>pc exclusives that are made now specifically take advantage of the power and precision
There isn't a single PC exclusives that requires an expensive build. Get the fuck out of here.

>>715754520
>Top selling game on Steam right now is Limbus Company
lol

>>715754556
Idorts main a platform and let the rest catch dust

>>715754668
star citizen is the only one to do it
no one else is retarded enough where they can't just downscale shit to fit consoles because why would you just decide not to make money

>>715754668
Here's your free BTFO

>>715754685
How else would I play PC exclusives without letting my consoles get some well earned rest?

>>715751452
i don't think sales are very relevant, the deck is not something you get lil timmy for christmas
it's a pretty experimental device and was just the first run, most people got one just to fuck around with, not as a dedicated platform

>>715754685
>gachashit
Really stretching the definition of game right there

>>715754786
No thanks. Already have a painted 4000 pt army and play IRL.

>>715754790
I don't care about your Fortnite sessions inbetween FIFA sessions

>>715754786
you could easily put this shit on a console to fit the specs
that's not exactly hinging on the power point, more about the precision and multitasking

>>715754896
Yes you do. I've held your attention for over an hour now.

A lot of people in my area are selling their Xboxes. I managed to grab a used Series X with two controllers. I always one, but could never afford it. I picked it up for fifty dollars.
Its all I ever wanted.
So why am I so hollow?

>>715754834
Still not on console
cope

>>715754924
Still not on console
Still can't control it on consoles
cope

>>715754867
>Play IRL
loser lol

>>715754995
>loser
Not really.

>>715754974
>I'm a janny
I know veganbro, you're pathetic

>>715755031
>I buy silicon from GeeDubs
As pathetic as the janny consolewarrior

>>715754867
Why is Warhammer so expensive? I picked up Battletech because those minis are stupid high.

>>715754995
>Still not on console
Thank goodness, fuck gachas

>>715751669
I read the room. I don’t have autism so I can actually do that. Deck isn’t a training ground for anything. Linux will never be a default gaming OS. Well maybe not never but not within the next 10 years at least

>>715754995
i'm the guy who originally outlined how pc exclusives are a thing
you could easily fit it graphics wise but it's stupid to control with anything with a mouse and keyboard which the average consolecuck just doesn't have at home

>>715755081
>you're pathetic
I disagree.

>>715755103
cope

>>715755121
cope

>>715755158
cope

>>715755208
cope

>>715755158
>with anything with a mouse and keyboard
with anything but a mouse and keyboard

>>715745952
>>715745389
I agree with him but I also think hes being too coy and corporate to fix the issue. he should have slashed at xbox's role in divorcing itself from its customer base. as someone who always plugged Nintendo it was obvious the always online kinnect casual chasing drip poison they infected themselves with would destroy their customer base to the point that there was no going back.

Xbox was always like that though. they are fundamentally microsoft. Gates had to personally save this division because corporate didn't care, and gates is a pedophile asshole. It's hardly shocking that after the 360 things nose dived this hard.

>>715755227
Dial8

>>715754668
>There isn't a single PC exclusives that requires an expensive build.
https://youtu.be/aLHkwiB5ZNk
https://youtu.be/LTLotwKpLgk
https://youtu.be/0UsMqxX4XmM

define expensive

>>715755282
seethe

>>715755290
>tranime
Effortlessly scrolling past

>>715755328
I wish my PC was better. The poor thing is ancient

>>715755328
No need to, PC vegan.

>>715755360
>if I cover my eyes i wont get proven wrong
Just close the tab and walk away then.

>>715755360
>consolecuck is an election tourist
you need to get older and smarter to understand pcs, i get it

>>715755421
You don't have the need to but you still will consolecuck

>>715755425
>proven wrong
I have no idea, I scrolled

>>715755407
No real need
All the good games were released before 2020

>>715755448
>election tourist
Can I get a timeline on this buzzword famalam?
>>715755474
No I won't, PC vegan.

>>715755591
>I won't
And yet, here you are

>>715755647
Yes here I am in a thread about consoles. Should I be trolling like you are?

>>715755565
I want you to look up the Dell XPS 8700.
Now have a GeForce 2060 physically hammered inside its case, the back open to give it airflow, and let it reach resting speeds of 80-90C.
Running Windows 7 still as well.
Tell me if there's no need.

>>715755591
>buzzword
you mean the one you used that outs you as a newfag?

>Searching for posts that contain ‘tranime’. Returning only first 3000 of 54727 results found.

>Searching for posts that contain ‘tranime’ and posts before 2020-01-01.
>60 results found.

>>715755781
>you mean the one you used that outs you as a newfag?
But I didn't say "election tourist" newfaggy. Ive been here longer than you.

>>715755903
>i've been here longer than you
>which is why i'm following newfag trends
try harder next time

>>715755705
You should be seething like I know you are

>>715755740
Average idort

>>715755985
I'm just poor, man.
All I want is to play with my friends again.

>>715755950
>I don't follow newfag trends
>"election tourist"

>>715755985
>seething like I know you are
Not really. I'm calm.

>>715756252
yes, election tourist is a phrase that people came up to describe obvious newfags that chose to infest this website despite fundamentally hating its premise
describes you to a t

>>715740517 (OP)
It won't change; it will keep the same until Sony dies despite going the self-nuking route.

>>715740630
>vegan using a office workstation as gaming device
lol

>>715756405
>office workstations are so good at gaming that dedicated gaming devices need actual legal built in cheats to compensate
LOL!

>>715756405
>It won't change; it will keep the same until Sony dies despite going the self-nuking route.
Good news is this is going to happen a lot sooner than many think.

>>715756321
Doesn't look like it since Ive been here longer than you. I'll help you out: way way back before you started posting here we said cutesy and moeshit. Now we say tranime. Try not to seeth too much over this fact.

>>715743421
I too saw that clickbait Nintendeen video

>>715744225
>Why do hundreds of retards on here keep believing that Xbox is dead
>No profits on its own for years
>Xbone dinamited its already 3rd place tier reputation with little space for recovery
>Protip: there was never actual attempts at recovery
>Gamepass as their full digital push
>Spent billions of dollars buying off studios and IPs
>GP killed off the small amount of software selling units, killing off physical Xbox entirely
>Raised the price of console, controllers, GP
>Shortly after having reports of record low sales for their consoles
>Only money is made out of transactions and service, not gaming
>Exclusives were wipped off and replaced with merely first party titles
>First party titles are completely mismanaged in terms of quality and died off
It's dead, anon

>>715745489
>They're doing Steam support next gen
This is not a good thing; you got it backwards, it's happening because Xbox is that dead = it NEEDS Steam/others to look any attractive.

>>715756669
>I AM NOT A NEWFAG I AM NOT A NEWFAG
denial
a few more stages to go
you do know they made spinoffs for contrarians like you
feel free to emigrate to the sharty, though in your case it's probably just a return

>>715756485
Dual analog on PC also has aim assist. Consoles have mouse and keyboards. Gotta cone up with a cope that works this decade lil vegan bro.

>>715756485
>he thinks a office worstation can excel as gaming systems on their own
Dumb vegan, you need to waste money on good specs first

>>715756567
Isn't it GREAT?!

>>715756801
>>I AM NOT A NEWFAG I AM NOT A NEWFAG
Correct, but I said it calmly, and you're the one shouting like a newfag because you are.

>>715740517 (OP)
Somehow Sega has returned

I'm still playing on xbox and will continue doing so. Even the playstation guy is going to start making foot tease videos in xbox sockies.

>>715756831
you're still comparing dedicated gaming hardware to work hardware retard

>>715756834
it excels just by the virtue of the functionality and compatibility of the platform
does being a true gamer(tm) involve getting fucked and having to rebuy games when a corporation tells you to?

>>715757061
Are my consoles more powerful than you PC? Is that what's bothering?

>>715756769
This but even that falls on its face due to Steam Deck and SteamOS existing, and the Steam Deck 2 eventually existing in about two years. What reason is there to even by an "Xbox" anymore, not even Microsoft knows.

>>715757061
>it excels just by the virtue of the functionality and compatibility of the platform
That's why you're a dumb vegan. Same mistake as Xbox; players play games, not hardware. Just like a platform isn't sold for its features alone.

>does being a true gamer(tm) involve getting fucked and having to rebuy games when a corporation tells you to?
You tell me vegan, how many times you need thermal paste and pay those GPU prices?

>>715754126
>>715754212
>Xbox did more harm to the console industry than Atari, Sony and Nintendo combined
holy cope
ah yes innocent Nintendo

they strike down their own fans lol. you retardos really suffer from Stockholm

>>715740517 (OP)
PC is literally all that matters. Consoles have become nothing but trash.

>>715756834
>Isn't it GREAT?!
Yes, soon gaming will only be Switch and Steam, it's what I've always wanted.

>>715757210
no they're not
i'd rather play terraria on an iGPU than a console
i'd rather play skyrim on a 1050ti than a ps5 pro
see how inherently shit your dedicated gaming platform is?

>>715757238
>This but even that falls on its face due to Steam Deck and SteamOS existing
That's the funniest part about earlier this month; Xbox was about to reveal its "handheld" with official Steam support but 2 days learly Steam went fuck it and simply released SteamOS that can be slapped into any device including those "handhelds" they were trying to ape... leaving them only with that reveal lol

>>715757317
>i'd rather
>i'd rather
>see how inherently shit your dedicated gaming platform is?
No I see what your opinion is and thanks for confirming my consoles are more powerful than your PC. Don't feel bad vegan bro, they're also more powerful than my PC.

>>715757253
>players play games, not hardware
by that logic why does it matter what hardware you're using
you can lower your settings and still play?
console gives you a one size fits all slave solution

>You tell me vegan, how many times you need thermal paste and pay those GPU prices?
one is a $10 expense that you can reasonably survive without doing a single time in your hardware's natural lifespan and the other is basically a line of price to performance that is only beaten by consoles at the bottom because consoles are such shit value they need to be sold at a loss

>>715757263
He's right; paid online and dlc were points of not return. Sony with their bribed exclusivity and moviegames looks a lesser evil in comparison

>>715757546
>console gives you a one size fits all
that size is better than your PC

>>715757558
>paid online and dlc were points of not return
Came well after no game ownership on PC, the point of no return being 2003.

>>715757546
>by that logic why does it matter what hardware you're using
It doesn't; that's why the vegan is wrong. But their meme demands them "superiority" not accepting low settings and always denying their platform of choice being terrible thanks cancer like Windows

>one is a $10 expense that you can reasonably survive without doing a single time in your hardware's natural lifespan and the other is basically a line of price to performance that is only beaten by consoles at the bottom because consoles are such shit value they need to be sold at a loss
How much is a PS5 tier or above GPU?

>they need to be sold at loss
Just Xbox and PS, those 2 have bee wrong for years and now it's catching up to them.

>>715757665
>Came well after no game ownership on PC
I'd point that at 07 with Steam becoming a thing.

>>715744225
it's not going to do well. Even if it doesn't bomb, there's no way it gets anywhere close to Switch 2 or PS5 sales

>>715757437
It also made them shitcanned their own in-house handheld that had docking abilities like the Switch, lol.

>>715741261
Post gunt hammock and ass wiping wand you lardwhale 800 pound steamy

>>715749997
>the /qa/ refugee finally outs himself

>>715741261
This but Xbox and Switch

>>715758183
>arrow brain outs xerself

>>715755360
/qa/ lost, go back to your sharty goon sesh groomer discord, mongoloid

>>715758079
>he thinks I'm fat

>>715758192
Nope, Xbox betrayed gamers years ago for normalfaggots, same with PlayStation. It's just Switch and Steam Deck now. It was always Nintendo and PC, honestly.

>>715757978
>Steam cockblocks your collaboration
>Also kills your inhouse system momentum
>the collab price should be around $800 because lol lmao
>some retards online that still don't understand Xbox is not something to be hopeful for thinks and state they'd like it to be at $450
>mfw

>>715758294
Enjoy fighting imaginary trannies for the rest of your mentally ill life. Soi teen scum fuck
Heres what ACTUAL Oniimai fans look like (100% male)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdMLNrCCTEU

>>715758346
>*buzzword* lost *buzzword* to your *buzzword* *buzzword* *buzzword* *buzzword* *buzzword*
I'm so fucking glad I'm not as new as you.

>>715744419
FPBP

>>715758604
Ive seen the sharty discord. It aint pretty

>>715758368
Sticking with my Xbox, Switch and toaster. Thanks though.

>>715757521
that's a really jewish way to completely ignore the point

>>715757616
consoles give you fast food, garbage for the lowest common denominator
pcs are self made meals, tailored made around your needs and desires but take longer

>>715757761
>It doesn't; that's why the vegan is wrong. But their meme demands them "superiority" not accepting low settings and always denying their platform of choice being terrible thanks cancer like Windows
the first part is fighting ghosts and schizophrenia induced strawmen
and the second one, bitching at windows?
console OSes are actual slave pens that make windows look good
>How much is a PS5 tier or above GPU?
ps5 is a rx 6700xt
ps5 pro is an rx 6800
neither of those is currently being made so you either buy used or their newer gen replacements
the used prices of those are incredible value compared to consoles and the in production ones are more expensive than consoles but offer way more performance per dollar

>Just Xbox and PS, those 2 have bee wrong for years and now it's catching up to them.
yeah, just the ones that are trying to make their hardware a cut above dogshit like nintendo with their turbocucked arm soc

>>715758551
Ok tranny
>>715758668
I've never seen sharty or /qa/ and couldn't tell you a damn thing about whatever internet drama took place.

>>715758696
>the point
Your opinion?
Also
>food analogy

>>715758373
It gets worse
>Microsoft is rumored to be releasing an $1000+ Steam Machine OEM next year while in 2027, their next gen in-house console
>the console will be the start of these new AMD APUs they're working for not just this console but OEM handhelds, PCs, and cloud but they will come after 2028
>Steam Deck 2 is rumored for 2027 being based on the same GPU and CPU as the 2027 in-house console and will cost significantly less
Valve is about to completely derail Microsoft's next gen roadmap plans

>>715758807
Dont fight against based anime if you dont want to get associated with /qa/, tourist R E T A R D

>>715758687
Okay

>>715758696
i'd rather play balatro on an Switch than Steam Deck
i'd rather play DayZ on a Xbox than a PC
see how inherently shit your PC is?

>>715758872
the point is that your dedicated gaming hardware loses to workstations because they treat you like a slave and you can't do anything
both of those games are better modded, something you can barely do and only to the extent a corpo lets you
>food analogies is wrong because... because they treat me like a retard
because you are one

>>715740517 (OP)
probably not that much
3rd party studios might buy ip off microsoft
xbox barely had a presence ever since they fumbled their xbox one launch

>>715759056
see >>715759046

>>715758959
Or how about this, I keep saying tranime and you're free to keep seething and falsely accusing me of your boogeyman.

>>715740517 (OP)
More people who know what they're doing are going to move to PC, and considering Steam's big fuckup we may even see a more decentralized PC market in time. Mite b cool.

>>715759046
see >>715759056

>>715758696
>and the second one, bitching at windows?
Coping and championing a self nuking kernel at the same time?! New low for PC vegans imo

>ps5 is a rx 6700xt, ps5 pro is an rx 6800 neither of those is currently being made so you either buy used or their newer gen replacements
You're making modern consoles look better now

>yeah, just the ones that are trying to make their hardware a cut above dogshit like nintendo with their turbocucked arm soc
And yet you still ignore and/or make the same mistake as always focusing on hardware when talking about videogames. Might as well buy a fucking xbox at this point, bro

>>715759153
Forgot your soijak dumbass

>>715759183
Not Valve's fault like it's not Nintendo of America's fault, this is our payment processor's fault, not going to get deeply into that. Hope it gets fixed soon with new laws in place to permanently prevent this from happening again.

>>715758368
Unironically true. Xbox's identity crisis started with the always-online DRM TVbox disaster and never recovered. PS followed suit trying to chase the cinematic normie market with moviegames. At least Nintendo never forgot it was about playing games, not watching sad dads cry. PC is the only place left where devs aren't afraid to experiment and players can actually own things. Steam Deck is just the natural evolution.

>>715759196
Ok. And if I don't give a fuck about modding to cheat at video games? Your entire point apparently being mods and nothing else. my consoles are stronger than your PC. I don't give a fuck about mods.

>>715759251
>Coping and championing a self nuking kernel at the same time?! New low for PC vegans imo
something that you can fix?
and that's worse than a console where you can be deliberately nuked into offline mode?
you are a slave

>modern consoles look better when their hardware is so old it's out of production

>And yet you still ignore and/or make the same mistake as always focusing on hardware when talking about videogames. Might as well buy a fucking xbox at this point, bro
it's a fucking console, it can't do shit
want to focus on games? the ones that nintendo is making more expensive too? nintendo is scalping you at every single level
shit hardware sold at a massive markup
cheap to make games sold at the same prices as big budget ones to match the "industry standard"
nintendo games could run on any gaming pc or laptop released in the last 5 years if they had a port, their value offering is incredibly shit
at least the other consoles give you a deal on hardware

>>715759367
I don't have a single soijak saved to my phone, but I know your boogeyman does, newfag.

>>715758916
>Microsoft is rumored to be releasing an $1000+ Steam Machine OEM next year while in 2027, their next gen in-house console
This is not worse but funnier

>>715757317
>i'd rather play terraria on an iGPU than a console
>i'd rather play skyrim on a 1050ti than a ps5 pro
>see how inherently shit your dedicated gaming platform is?
I'd rather play terraria on a switch than a pc
I'd rather play nuDoom on xbox than a pc
Only you don't see how shitty your platform is running shit on the background. Real PC keks understand

>>715759502
>what if i'm stupid and a slave
then stay on console? did you expect your apathy and laziness to be an own?

>>715759561
then you're objectively retarded for giving up features
that's okay, have your retard box, but don't pretend it's better

>>715759469
Exactly, Nintendo stayed within the Japanese mindset, Valve remained a gaming company and never became a corporate company that does other things. Neither command the market to do as they say but instead set examples to follow and let the smaller devs follow those examples of creativity and innovation. Microsoft and Sony forces devs to make what they want, this is why AAA died because of that terrible corporate mindset Microsoft Gaming and SIE instilled on some AAA publishers.

>>715759594
Better a slave than a PC vegan because at least I'm aware that we're both slaves, but only you are a vegan.

>>715759729
>we're both slaves
wrong
you don't have a linux to install, you're always a slave trapped in a babby ecosystem
>only you are the gay little insult i came up with
epic own my dude!

>>715759556
>phonejeet
Lol, lmao even

>>715759835
>linux shill
KEK, vegans gonna vegan.

>>715759905
It's 2025.

gta 6 being a borderline timed ps5 exclusive is going to push like 20 million consoles in one year and single handedly fund every concord mistake sony has made this gen

>>715740517 (OP)
I too saw the keep saying it mans video.

>>715740517 (OP)
The Prophecy is true.

>>715759535
>and that's worse than a console where you can be deliberately nuked into offline mode?
What scapegoat is this one?

>See? This terrible OS is completely fine as long as your work to fix it
PC vegans are 10x the slaves they think console players are.

>it's a fucking console, it can't do shit
They can do the only thing they should; play game. They tacked more shit onto them but that's irrelevant in every level.

>at least the other consoles give you a deal on hardware
A deal with no value due the player playing games instead of hardware and hardware tramps over the software output. Unless you're talking about pre gen 7 consoles; then I'd agree.

>>715760060
Two more weeks bro, just two more weeks.

>>715759954
>le catch 22
you lost
no one on windows is a slave because they can easily replace it and as it stands linux is actively becoming a better alternative every day
meanwhile you have to do jailbreaking just to not be treated like a down syndrome child
it's in the name
jailbreaking
slave

>>715740517 (OP)
Consoles are dead, Bloodborne was the last good exclusive.

post your dance moves when sega fills in the void with the dreamcast 2

>>715759648
>then you're objectively retarded for giving up features
You have no weight when you imply features are oer software in systems that live and die through software. You being dumb buying a system for features over games doesn't correlate to a law of the medium; it only means you're happy stuck with a nogamestation. which is fair if you want that.

>>715760152
Ok PC vegan

>>715759835
>you don't have a linux to install, you're always a slave trapped in a babby ecosystem
Not even vegans do that lmao, it's fucking niche as fuck even with decades of ms shitting the bed

>>715760153
What was the last good PC exclusive?

>>715760181
One can only hope but...

>>715760383
League of Legends

>>715760114
>scapegoat
are we going to pretend that the recent drama with switches getting banned from online forever didn't happen?
or that it hasn't been the norm for consoles in general for more than a decade now?

>See? This terrible OS is completely fine as long as your work to fix it
as opposed to an OS that you need to spend years on to fix like the consoles

>They can do the only thing they should; play game.
something any pc hardware can do and they don't have the decency to discount it as means of getting you into the ecosystem
sold at a fucking premium in an ecosystem where every game is sold at a premium
a fucking scam beginning to end
>A deal with no value due the player playing games instead of hardware and hardware tramps over the software output.
if hardware doesn't matter then why aren't they porting them to phones?
oh right, MONEY, they don't give a shit about your experience, they want to see you milked
enjoy paying for the oled model

Sony will continue to release Debra Wilson slop and make no money, and Nintendo will just ignore them and do whatever.

>>715760416
>assfaggots
Hard "ehhhhhhhhh"

>>715760453
Let's not pretend Sony is any worse than what Nintendo is shitting out, they are both awful, and Nintendo actively copies the worst practices Sony and Microsoft implement.

>>715760303
you could've just said you prefer the easy babby experience, but no, you cucks always need to dig in about trying to be objectively correct in an argument where you can't be objectively correct

>>715760328
i accept your concession

>>715760556
Also, lets not pretend Valve is any better than Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. Valve pioneered 99% of what's wrong with modern gaming.

>>715746368
>A bunch of autistic weebs were clowning a guy on a mongolian basketweaving forum! It's Nintendover!
Anon, have you been formally diagnosed with Autism yet?

>>715760425
>are we going to pretend that the recent drama with switches getting banned from online forever didn't happen?
Sounds like a huge cope considering Xbox was doing that almost 20 years ago. Why is a problem now? because you're making a tantrum over it, that's why

>as opposed to an OS that you need to spend years on to fix like the consoles
No OS was broken on consoles, not even the Xbox 360 one and that shit was a contained Windows... that worked functionally because it was contained. PC users can't understand this because that shit is broken everytime in there and barely any move to Linux

>sold at a fucking premium in an ecosystem where every game is sold at a premium
This vegan is retarded, he doesn't know about sales.

>if hardware doesn't matter then why aren't they porting them to phones?
because there's no value to do that for them, ez. That's why you have mobileshit as gachaland

>enjoy paying for the oled model
Thank you, I'm actually looking forward to that

>>715760610
Just ran out of concessions. There's a walmart 2 miles to the west.

>>715760656
considering that they have the most customer friendly service and are actively pioneering open source gaming
yes
they are better

>>715757253
>pay those GPU prices
A good GPU lasts 10 years, double a console generation.

>>715760610
You could've just said you respect while in disagreement, but no, you chose to be the beligerant cuck needing to dig in about tryin to be objectively correct in an argument where you can't.

>>715760656
Don't shake the steamiehive

>paid online
consolefags do not understand the conversation between singleplayer and multiplayer and you've already skipped a few steps

>consolewar thread becomes about pc
Really tells you how irrelevant consoles are these days

>>715760728
Nope. They're worse, if not the worst. You can't own PC games because of them. Digital exists because of them. DLC MTX and normalizing in game purchases exists because of them. Consoles just did subs.

>Microsoft will try to challenge Valve with their handhelds and fail
>Sony will try to challenge Nintendo with their handheld and fail
>Nintendo and Valve will simply ignore them and continue doing their own thing and succeeding while Sony and Microsoft publish their games on Nintendo's and Valve's platforms
>due to Sony's and Microsoft's dominance over gaming ending, indies and AAs with creative spirit will take over
This is going to fun and hilarious seeing this happen. The fall of PlayStation and Xbox will save gaming.

>>715760759
Consoles now last more than 5 years, anon. That argument doesn't fly as much anymore and that's considering dead brand like Xbox.

>>715760856
>PC vegans have nothign to talk about and yet again find themselves trolling in topics that have nothing to do with PC.
Yeah.

>>715760850
>connecting online to begin with
lol lmao

>>715760850
Better than not understanding owning games, or hacker free multi

>>715760856
>comes to seethe
>gets shat on back
>"haha... i won..."

>>715760715
>Why is a problem now?
>it's not a problem because it's old
i'd rather have a problem i can fix in an hour that requires basic tech literacy rather than an unfixable one

>it works
incredibly low bar there
who cares if it works if you're a complete slave in it and can't do much beyond the basic shit

>This vegan is retarded, he doesn't know about sales.
ah yes, glorious sales on nintendo first party games
newsflash retard, even during your hypothetical sales they're still overpriced given how little it takes to make them

>because there's no value to do that for them, ez. That's why you have mobileshit as gachaland
exactly
the hardware has no value to the consumer
no one would buy nintendo toys when even the cucked xbox and phones can run that shit
>Thank you, I'm actually looking forward to that
you're not supposed to acknowledge your slavery like that

>>715760859
>You can't own PC games because of them. Digital exists because of them.
they're both the same
steam has yet to take anyone's games
you can play 20 year old games on modern hardware
how many consoles let you do that
those buzzwords are irrelevant when you're 2 minutes away from pirating that shit and the only difference between a pirated copy and a physical copy is the latter being on a mass produced piece of plastic with a decal stapled onto it
>DLC MTX and normalizing in game purchases exists because of them.
something you can completely ignore? cool

>>715761041
>>715761192
>>715760947
I'm just watching you lot argue. When what's obviously meant as consolewar bait revolves entirely around pc, it says all anyone needs to know.

>>715760728
>considering that they have the most customer friendly service
Huh?
>paid online
>broken online
>games as a service
>draconian censorship policies
>most expensive peripherals on the market, which break constantly
>suing news outlets that talk about the peripherals breaking
>subscription roms that run 10x worse than an emulator (the one thing I liked about the PS3 is that it had an assload of ps1 and ps2 games on it which ran perfectly and you owned forever, even jap only releases, and you could even burn CDs with the games on them and play them that way)
>constant harassment of fan projects
>sued the rental industry so many times they're probably the chief reason blockbuster died
>false scarcity for game releases, which were even limited to physical
>unfinished releases (this killed Mario maker 2)
>predatory publishing agreements to enslave third party devs
>released gacha on the 3DS and marketed to children
>selling people cardboard for $80
>almost never put anything on sale
I could go on for days.

>>715761342
That you always need to preach about PC when nobody asked? Yes we know. Hence "PC vegan"

>>715760656
retard

>>715761409
Scrolling past tranny.

>>715761409
did you reply to a wrong post negro
that wasn't about nintendo
nintendo has a complete no refund policy on their website

>>715761213
>steam has yet to take anyone's games
Well yeah, they have yet to give you any games.

>>715761423
I'm just commenting on what you're doing. I didn't bring it up, you were having a meltdown over it well before I entered this thread.

>>715761551
>https://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/
what

>>715761529
I thought it was about Nintendo, mb. Yes valve is very consumer friendly.

>>715761441
Thanks.

>>715761606
It's some physicalfag that thinks ownership is dictated by whatever is storing the game they don't own.

>>715761578
>I'm just commenting on what you're doing
Same

>>715761678
Not really. Ownership is simple and I can school you on it again if you want. Third time today right?

>>715760859
Literally nothing is stopping anyone from putting out games on physical media for PC. Consumers just don't want it. They don't even want it on their prison box console where they have zero control over their purchase.

>>715761342
some consolecucks like floating around the idea of console only/v/ board thinking like that wouldn't just be a cesspit
imagine, the pc/v/ has discussions about literally everything while consolecucks just war about sales and newest fotm

>>715761068
>i'd rather have a problem i can fix in an hour that requires basic tech literacy rather than an unfixable one
That's a problem in your head and in retarded consumer's; banned from online is a bless in diguise. Consoles never had real use and need of internet connection

>incredibly low bar there
Considering PC windows set said you must be right with that. Good thing a console OS doesn't make the mistake and sticks to basic shit

>who cares if it works if you're a complete slave in it and can't do much beyond the basic shit
You tell me Windows slave.

>newsflash retard, even during your hypothetical sales they're still overpriced given how little it takes to make them
No, that only means you want to pay less for them. It's a (You) problem that most can jump around

>the hardware has no value to the consumer
Exactly why a console isn't as bad as try seethe; game software is the driving factor for a game system, not hardware specs or features. If you want a system where features are the selling point you get a computer

>you're not supposed to acknowledge your slavery like that
No problem, you don't seem unhappy about your cuckery so I'm not leaving you alone. I'm more than happy with contained enviroments meant for specific periods before going abandoware

>>715761838
I disagree.

>>715761838
honestly makes no sense for the console physical to die
pc is an evergreen immortal platform and valve has been a really good security guard for those digital keys
imagine entrusting those keys to people who want more money from you and specifically release hardware to segment you

>>715761578
>you were having a meltdown over it well before I entered this thread.
The PC vegan warrior strat 102

>>715761967
I'll survive.

ah shit i forgot to flag that idiot
>715757558
>paid online

>>715760850
>>715760983
>connecting online to begin with
like i said

up until 2020 i've never followed the singleplayer scene. to this day i do not understand the appeal of singleplayer. the stories have never been that great.

i never even understood the concept of replaying the same game therefor the same story.
multiplayer has every round with a different outcome

>>715761838
>eventually everyone will own nothing, a trend started by Valve
I'm aware.

>>715761816
I think you have actually schizophrenia dude, half of your posts read like word salad and are totally divorced from reality. I know
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
Is a thing, but I don't think this is that.

>>715762015
You will survive, yes.

>>715761989
>honestly makes no sense for the console physical to die
Xbox thought that... they flopped even harder. Physical for consoles are a vital point it seems seeing that, the PS5 all digital, Xbox Series sales numbers and the keycards being an issue

>pc is an evergreen immortal platform
>Support for your OS will end up *insert date*

>>715762098
Sure.

>>715761989
It's because consoles are aimed at normalfags and casuals and they do not care AT ALL. It's simply more convenient to take a bit of time downloading a game than going out to buy it or waiting days for it to ship. They don't care that they're giving up the tiny little shred of freedom physical affords them on consoles.
On PC none of this is a problem, digital is pure convenience as it should be and DRM free is the closest you can get to actual game ownership. Anyone trying to claim digital on PC is just as bad or somehow responsible for the absolute state of it on consoles is either an idiot or arguing in bad faith.

>>715762235
Freedom to own > freedom to mod

>>715762038
>up until 2020 i've never followed the singleplayer scene. to this day i do not understand the appeal of singleplayer. the stories have never been that great
Because you're a dumb vegan; singleplayer isn't about story, it's a game and games = gameplay. When you focus on multiplayer you're the biggest slave of all and become dependant of concepts like community and closed enviroments that borderline become echo chambers to keep playing it otherwise... you lose the multiplayer game.

>i never even understood the concept of replaying the same game therefor the same story.
This only applies to Sony games, arcade games are all about replayability. And even then games like SotC had such good core gameplay that you can blaze through with another playthrough just fine.

>>715761914
>it's okay for my console to turn into an equivalent of a native performance level emulator that can't do anything besides emulation

>Considering PC windows set said you must be right with that. Good thing a console OS doesn't make the mistake and sticks to basic shit
again, if you can easily fix it then why is it a problem and why is it worse than something you can't fix by yourself

>You tell me Windows slave.
windows even at its most cucked absolutely embarrasses consoles lmao
where's your internet browser lil tendie

>No, that only means you want to pay less for them. It's a (You) problem that most can jump around
yeah, you need to gain a sense of value, maybe by getting a job

>Exactly why a console isn't as bad as try seethe; game software is the driving factor for a game system, not hardware specs or features. If you want a system where features are the selling point you get a computer
so it's okay for them to peddle ewaste at a premium because it makes them profit
you're not a nintendo exec, you're a fucking prole like the rest of us, think for yourself

>No problem, you don't seem unhappy about your cuckery so I'm not leaving you alone. I'm more than happy with contained enviroments meant for specific periods before going abandoware
sad

>>715762235
>They don't care that they're giving up the tiny little shred of freedom physical affords them on consoles.
This isn't why physicalfags actually like it. They'll say it is, but it's not. They just want to see it on their shelves, which is why you have a bunch defending key carts. It's just collector autism.

>>715762148
>Support for your OS will end up *insert date*
that's a microsoft problem and valve is rightfully trying to fuck them over for it among other things
it still works fine on old hardware and you can still jam steam on it
it's highly unlikely you'll buy a dx12 capable gpu only to try to force an os that can't run it

>>715762235
>It's because consoles are aimed at normalfags and casuals and they do not care AT ALL
Deluding yourself into sink times in stuff you shouldn't doesn't make you "care" more than other. The only platform with playerbase that do not care is mobile; it's built around it and can't be changed

That said; convenient > better. Therefore PC is not in a good place once physical was completely destroyed, consumers must have options

>>715762356
And hopefully there's enough of us purist gamers to keep physical games alive. On the bright side physical will become so scarce that my collection skyrockets in value. Buy the dip.

>>715762281
I can mod, backup, transfer, copy, crack, lend, etc. my games. I can put them on any PC I own and run them, and if the hardware is better, I don't have to pay more to make use of it.
All physical affords you is the ability to sell it off, and if you like it, why would you sell it?

>>715762345
>if you can easily fix it then why is it a problem
Because you need to FIX it.

>>715762345
>windows even at its most cucked absolutely embarrasses consoles lmao
I have a 360 and suffered through W10, I can confirm this is not true.

>where's your internet browser lil tendie
>needing a internet browser to play games on your game system
you can't be this dumb

>>715762337
>Because you're a dumb vegan; singleplayer isn't about story, it's a game and games = gameplay. When you focus on multiplayer you're the biggest slave of all and become dependant of concepts like community and closed enviroments that borderline become
that's right. i prefer having sex than jerking off in corner

>arcade games
the uber fleecers to begin with lol

>>715762578
repairing shit is normal, always has been
zoom zoom

>>715762345
>so it's okay for them to peddle ewaste at a premium because it makes them profit
You don't complain about all those replaced computer parts, why would you bring out something like that as a point? It's not, nobody care about waste

>>715762492
>that's a microsoft problem
And Linux users don't need to keep their OS up to date?

>>715762569
I already knew all the pros and cons of digital and physical games. You can stop repeating yoruself to me like it's groundhogs day. We already had this discussion earlier, remember?

>>715762714
Not because the OS is faulty by defacto. And that's leaving out the deeper layers of windows

>>715762518
>On the bright side physical will become so scarce that my collection skyrockets in value
you're retarded. emulation will take over.
nobody will pay for your retardation. whatever will be left will be in museums

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/stockholm-spelmuseum

https://www.tekniskamuseet.se/en/discover/exhibitions/play-beyond-play/

>>715762809
You clearly don't when you're trying to boil it all down to "mod" and pretending you own the game. Also, please learn how anonymous imageboards work. Not just you and me in here.

>>715762781
linux doesn't have hardware requirements really
you can shove any distro on almost anything
you don't really have a reason to be scared of updates
it doesn't have a big corpo artificially deciding to cut its arteries at its peak like microsoft did with w7

>>715762675
>i prefer having sex than jerking off in corner
If you play multiplayer games you're the one jerking off in the corner... or getting a handy by the same handful (heh) usual suspects.

>>715762876
Why are you gaslighting me? Prices skyrocket with dwindling supply. Simple economics.

>>715762837
consoles are rocks, very simple, made for retards
pcs are axes, need to be sharpened once in a while
would you rather be stuck trying to cut trees with pointy rocks that you discard once they blunt or break or an axe you have to maintain

>>715762907
>pretending you own the game
Not really. Owning software is one of the benefits of physical software. Just a fact.

>>715762918
But it has hassles due that, needing updates manually now. While an actual choice from Windows hell Linux is not free of its downsides as well, there's no perfect way for PC. At least as OS goes... or browsers nowadays apparently

>>715763013
>physical software
Funny guy.

>>715763009
I'll take rocks and axes when rocks give me wood I can own.

>>715763059
Scrolled past your post. You'll have to remove the tranime to get my attention

>>715763009
>PC vegan try to convince others with his own deluded view
I rather the machine that plays games and games only. Thank you very much.

>pcs are axes, need to be sharpened once in a while
More like rusting itself without use lmao

>>715762663
The 360 is the worst console I've ever had and I've had a lot. It's the only one I didn't keep. I have a NES, Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Color, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, Gameboy Advance, GameCube, PS2, Wii, DS, PS3, PSP, PS4, Vita, 3DS, and Switch in my possession right now. 360 is the only one I sold because it was so terrible. I have W10 right now with the bloatware stripped out and it's totally fine. When I say consoles are bad and not worth owning any more I'm speaking from experience.

>>715763059
He's right.

>>715763158
>i am a retarded simpleton
ok? you added nothing

>>715763161
>When I say consoles are bad and not worth owning any more I'm speaking from experience.
Same but swap PC for consoles. It's not 2012 anymore. I know it is mentally for you since every day is one big disappointment since high school, hence posting tranime as a full grown man while trying to be taken seriously in a discussion.

>>715763064
but the only difference between wood you own and the wood you don't own is whether you can sell it? for any non commercial use it's essentially indistinguishable

>>715763161
>I have W10 right now with the bloatware stripped out and it's totally fine.
Notice how you don't mention the real w10 but the one where you had to work to make functional.

>When I say consoles are bad and not worth owning any more I'm speaking from experience
No, you're being a faggot considering you listed PS3 and PS4

>>715763161
Basically me. Grew up mostly with consoles, they went shit, PC is better than it's ever been, and this is where I'm at. I don't want consoles to die, they just deserve to. I don't want them to deserve to, but they've become a soulless money sponging cancer preying on morons, so they do.

>>715763291
care to name those reasons then?

>>715763241
I don't need to add anything since nothing is needed, in fact; I'd remove more stuff like OS and go back to the start up menus.

>>715763059
Sad to say mine burned.

>>715763425
ok? why do you want everyone to have the retard experience?

>>715763383
>I don't want consoles to die, they just deserve to
Only Xbox and PS will. Don't worry. Be more worried about PC when Xbox dies, for real dies not this current zombie state

>>715763161
Honestly, you're right. I started to dislike gaming when I got an Xbox, the moment I returned to Nintendo with the Switch and when I returned to PC gaming with the Steam Deck, I fell in love with gaming again. It's Microsoft, that piece of shit company sucks at gaming and gets no game. Shame PlayStation would eventually die with it since Sony was way better than Microsoft at gaming, shame that died when SIE, in the US, fully took over. It was fun while it lasted with PlayStation.

>>715763319
>but the only difference between wood you own and the wood you don't own is whether you can sell it?
Which is better than the only benefit of digital being modding. And since you can just effortlessly pirate PC games I don't know why you're so obsessed with wasting money on steam and defending valve when you're just immediately breaching their terms and pirating identical copies. Why would you ever buy a digital game on PC?

>>715763484
>Be more worried about PC when Xbox dies
Why. Xbox is totally irrelevant.

>>715763383
>I don't want consoles to die
I don't want Nintendo to die and thankfully I don't see happening anytime soon if not ever. PlayStation and Xbox can jump off a cliff though.

>>715763546
>wood that you can carve into furniture is worse than a bunch of planks because you can sell it

>>715763461
>why do you want everyone to have the retard experience?
>PC vegan being retarded projecting himself
That's... your projection, I'm afraid. Since you're that dumb I'll tell you; people will always see value and would want options, in this case, console offer them less annoying options to their eyes or for what they want to. Consoles and PC easily live along, as always have, but only to vegan this is a bad thing and one must predate the other as if they were the same thing

>>715763405
Reasons why I own consoles? Physical games, no hackers, better performance than PC, better and easier to play with friends cheaper.

>>715740517 (OP)
I got so pissed at all three of them I bought a gaming laptop last week. I spend like 10 hours a day on a pc for work, so I really do now want to game on a pc, but that's how angry these three sets of turbofaggots have made me.

In fact the laptop I bought came with a free month of PC Goypass and I still can't bring myself to redeem it because I want M$, and current year Xbox, to die.

>>715763575
The Nintendo I cared about died ages ago. Whatever the hell they are now with an accountant and EA executive at the helm is not what I grew up with or cared about.

>>715763610
Correct. I have more interst in collecting wood than carpentry. This is because people have different opinions. If you can't understand this then you have autism.

>>715763674
They still make soulful games.

>>715763619
so why exactly are you responding to me if your opinion is based on feels and vibes?
i don't give a shit about what you like because you hate effort and thinking and that's what pc rewards

>>715763549
Before going full retard with Xbox one, when they joined consoles with the og xbox, they abandoned PC which allowed Steam to monopolize... now they failed at console miserably they remembered Microsoft was bound to PC to the world's eyes and that Windows has a massive control over the platform so they want to jump back to it. It's inevitable MS taking control or ingrained itself in PC once again, and you don't want that but it's going to happen and now they've been taking babysteps

>>715763806
Microsoft couldn't even win against sony or nintendo, there isn't a chance in hell they'll win against steam, they already tried and gave up. Their new hardware is already reported to feature steam front and center.

>>715763674
>The Nintendo I cared about died ages ago
False.

>>715763740
>so why exactly are you responding to me if your opinion is based on feels and vibes?
Not feels and vibes; that's your interpretation.

>i don't give a shit about what you like because you hate effort and thinking and that's what pc rewards
Yes, we all do hate effort. If you want me to put effort from my part pay me beforehand, not bothering with a features machine that works so bad I have to sink time to make it less shit. And normalfags are far worse... they actually become slaves of it

>>715740517 (OP)
Microsoft will try to release gaming-only systems that cost as much as PCs & smartphones, and they'll fail.
>>715743798
What one makes is irrelevant without factoring in operational costs & risk.
>>715744225
Because nobody is going to buy a $1,000 gaming box. Right now, after the tariff-related price increases, the 2 TB Series X costs more than the PS5 Pro. If that's the future of their hardware, Xbox is dead.

>>715763806
lmao, not him but you're stupid. Microsoft doesn't give a lick about gaming, it's Windows and AI for them, that's it. Microsoft will beat Linux on desktop and laptop PCs but they're not being SteamOS on gaming handhelds. Steam Deck 2 will also kill their handheld ventures. Putting games on Steam is their future. Microsoft fucked PC gaming too hard to ever be able to take it over ever again.

>>715763903
>Microsoft couldn't even win against sony or nintendo
Because they needed to compete to make a prescence. In PC they have omniprescence due their OS which is pretty much synonym to PC despite people wanting to deny it.

>>715763740
>opinion is based on feels and vibes
Anon, that's what opinions are. Yours are the same. Do you have autism?

>>715763975
*beating

>>715763975
>Microsoft doesn't give a lick about gaming, it's Windows and AI for them
And that's why they're coming back to pc. They want to control and that platform was their home for all the shit they want to pull

>>715763621
>Physical games
a necessity when your console overlords hate you
>no hackers
instead of that everyone hacks with aim assist
if you play compslop genres where hacking is encouraged that's on you
>better performance than PC
objectively false
you need to go back to 2018 to see a ps5 pro beat a flagship gpu, 2017 for the base ps5
>better and easier to play with friends cheaper.
what, you mean LAN
because it sure as fuck isn't better than online that you have to pay for and to chat on

>>715763984
Not him but they already tried with the Microsoft Store PC vs the Steam Store, they lost so hard they just gave up and started putting their games on Steam. The new Windows for gaming handhelds will lose to the SteamOS and Steam Deck 2, it's over for them on anything that isn't a desktop or laptop in gaming.

>>715763975
>Steam Deck 2 will also kill their handheld ventures
>valve drones being deluded
It will the same thing as usual; niche

>Putting games on Steam is their future
More reach for Microsoft

>Microsoft fucked PC gaming too hard to ever be able to take it over ever again
They're the dominant OS on the platform and have the normie numbers. Like you said, it's not about gaming; and that's why Microsoft will return to PC and will pull it off

>>715763291
I think you're a normaltard that grew up with the 360. You were raised in slop and don't know any better.

>>715764130
>Not him but they already tried with the Microsoft Store PC vs the Steam Store, they lost so hard they just gave up and started putting their games on Steam.
How you see it.

Reality: Microsoft being on Steam will make normies not feeling the blow of them undercutting the platform to the point they'll think Steam is part of Windows.

>>715763993
no they're not
pcs can do pretty much everything made since computing was even a thing and you control every aspect of the experience
consoles are tiny cuckboxes with a very limited lifespan that can only play a selection of contemporary games
consider keyboards, there are fuckloads of options over the most minute shit while controllers are basically the fucking same

>>715764031
They can't, people will just use Steam on Windows, their gaming handhelds cost too much, and even on their gaming handhelds, and gaming handhelds, in general, people can just use the SteamOS. Plus, the Steam Deck currently IS the PC handheld market, that's not going to change anytime soon. Valve is the Nintendo of PC handhelds.

>>715764038
>your console overlords hate you
Less than your PC overlords hate you. They let me own. And remember Valve and GoG don't let you own, pirate, or unofficially mod, you do that in spite of them, not with their blessing.
>instead of that everyone hacks with aim assist
Dual analog aim assist exists on PC. Consoles have keyboards and mice. It's 2025 find a cope thay works in this decade.
>objectively false
Nope.
>because it sure as fuck isn't better than online that you have to pay for and to chat on
Nope it is better. Just my experience. Relax.

>>715762937
well i hope it works out for you.

the collective will not pay for it, they will look at you in disgust for hoarding it when the time comes to selling it.
you should've bought a Mario copy in the 80's. that's where the money was

>>715764283
Xbox is doomed but Microsoft's plan is not affected in the slightest. Gaming is a mere pawn meant to sacrifice

>>715764132
not him but the deck was a small launch meant to train linux and proton off of and it's still casting a large shadow over the market
imagine when valve actually tries and properly shills this thing

>>715764242
>I think you're a normaltard
Thanks!
>>715764262
>pcs can do pretty much everything made since computing was even a thing and you control every aspect of the experience
That's why I have a PC. I don't care if you don't see the benefits of consoles. It's just an opinion. I will never be a PC vegan.

>>715764132
>It will the same thing as usual; niche
And Microsoft's handheld ventures will be even more niche
>More reach for Microsoft
Then they've already lost
>They're the dominant OS on the platform and have the normie numbers. Like you said, it's not about gaming; and that's why Microsoft will return to PC and will pull it off
No one is going to use the Xbox PC app over the Steam app

To Valve, it doesn't matter, if you're using Steam on Windows, they won, if you're using SteamOS, they won, if you're using the Steam Deck, they won. Simply put, Valve already won.

>>715764408
>not him but the deck was a small launch meant to train linux and proton off of and it's still casting a large shadow over the market
It was the vocal minority effect of gaben's loyalists blowing it out of proprotion. It sold well for the low epectation they had for it because it was meant as a niche product

>>715764389
You're bad at gaslighting

>>715764132
>It will the same thing as usual; niche
That's the thing, it isn't, it's for literally anyone who cares about video games. It only seems niche because Valve isn't even trying to market or give it a physical presence. That may or may not change depending on their goals. Right now, there goal is SteamOS, Proton, and spurring on competition so they can load that competition up with SteamOS and Proton.

>>715764449
Post a picture of what games you have on your PC

>>715764251
Microsoft isn't getting that 30%

>>715764408
>imagine when valve actually tries and properly shills this thing
You'll finally stop shilling? Yeah that will be an amazing day.

Steam Deck 2
Is Valve going to treat it like the Steam Deck or will they give it more marketing appeal this time?

>>715764513
Starts and ends with Project Zomboid, and I haven't played in years. I would add trannia but consoles took that exclusive away from Steam.

>>715764451
>Then they've already lost
They already won; that's the point. They want to extend reach then extend control. The xbox buyouts failed in gaming but they never were focused on it, even if they fail they can use them for more than just the console market

>No one is going to use the Xbox PC app over the Steam app
Retard; you're thinking on the Xbox app when the reason they won is because everything works with Windows. WINDOWS motherfucker ,pay attention; this is why Steam released SteamOS, they knew what is coming albeit too late. Valve will become secondary once Microsoft jumps back to PC fully

>>715764512
>That's the thing, it isn't, it's for literally anyone who cares about video games
No, that's delusion. If that were true it would've sold far more.

>>715764553
They have far more than a mere 30%; windows is present in the vast majority of PCs

>>715764338
they let you own a bunch of files while your console is a slavebox you have zero control over
>own, pirate, or unofficially mod
that's exactly why valve has drm bypassed with copying a single file from an archive
great work detective, solid conclusion
>Dual analog aim assist exists on PC. Consoles have keyboards and mice. It's 2025 find a cope thay works in this decade.
and yet no one on console chooses to give up the aim assist with pc peripherals
weird how that works huh
>Nope.
the ps5 was a midrange 6700xt when it launched
the pro is a 6800 which is beaten by a midrange 7700xt
cope all you want
>Nope it is better. Just my experience. Relax.
your experience doesn't account for shit when you're comparing it to 2012

>>715764697
>They already won; that's the point. They want to extend reach then extend control. The xbox buyouts failed in gaming but they never were focused on it, even if they fail they can use them for more than just the console market
>putting your games on a rival platform and losing 30%
>winning
Please make me understand
>Retard; you're thinking on the Xbox app when the reason they won is because everything works with Windows. WINDOWS motherfucker ,pay attention; this is why Steam released SteamOS, they knew what is coming albeit too late. Valve will become secondary once Microsoft jumps back to PC fully
You do know if Microsoft tries anything anti-consumer again, people will just drop them for Linux gaming, right?

>>715764812
>They have far more than a mere 30%; windows is present in the vast majority of PCs
They lose 30% to Steam without getting the full 100% of those profits on game sales there.

>>715764853
I already know the differences between consoles and PCs. You're just saying what I already know while adding insulting terms to the console description because you're a diahonest PCMR fanboy. You can try as hard as you want but I'll never be a PC vegan. I prefer ownership.

>>715765005
he's implying that software sales gained from people buying microsoft games on steam will outweigh the loss of first party sales directly from them

>>715764812
Marketing and physical availability matters far more than anything else. Most people are driven by what they see on TV, what they see on Walmart shelves, and what they see their friends using. PS5 has no games, it still sold 80 million units. The Deck can play virtually everything portably with the convenience of a console, has a slew of features/controls, is far more consumer friendly, and doubles as a full fledged PC for anything else you could want it for, all in a very reasonably priced package. It is what consoles should be. The only difference is it's not a pillar for Steam the same way a console is a pillar for a corporation like Nintendo. If the Deck sold one unit, it would barely affect Valve and they would continue to work on SteamOS and Proton. If the Switch 2 only sold 10 million units, it would be a catastrophic failure for Nintendo. The two grant marketing and availability to these products based on that fact. If Valve decides they want to push the Deck the same way a console gets pushed, Nintendo's last hardware line would be in some seriously deep shit way sooner than later.

>>715765072
i'm not trying to convince you, just telling you that your reasons are shit
there is one valid reason to own consoles, being retarded and scared of guis not targetting toddlers
just admit that instead of putting up that bunk

>>715765278
>i'm not trying to convince you, I'm just trolling you
Yeah I knew that too
>there is one valid reason to own consoles
I already know what the valid reasons are. You're not going to trick me.

>>715765426
your reasons are petty and gay
people buy hardware to do shit, not for some tangential asterisks
right now pcs do more shit including doing all the console shit while consoles do less shit

>>715765201
If that's Microsoft "winning" then it's whatever helps him sleep at night, I guess.

>>715764625
Valve doesn’t even make very many of these. I made two reservations for two different configs because I was indecisive and I did it too late and both said they would be ready to buy like a year later. The deck was still months away and I spent some time with one and decided I didn’t want it when the first reservation came up to buy and this was months after the thing released. But they’ve only sold like 4 million total since it launched. So they just don’t seem to be making very many of them. A niche product like that shouldn’t have had a reservation system that required waiting months after it launched for an opportunity to buy one.

>>715765506
>your reasons are petty and gay
You aleady said that. I disagree.
>right now pcs do
I already know what consoles and PCs do. I have both.

>>715740630
>you will own nothing and you will be happy

>>715765005
>Please make me understand
Use google to see how microsoft acts as a company.

>You do know if Microsoft tries anything anti-consumer again, people will just drop them for Linux gaming, right?
Didn't work before, won't work now. You underesttimate how dumb the consumer has become. Decades and still Linux is a microscopic fraction of the platform even with windows shitting the bed; this will not change since it's a minority of users the ones that make a shift.

>>715765068
They have infinite wallet to tank every cent of that in order to gain control from extending reach, stop being sidetracked; gaming doesn't matter in here

>>715765254
>Marketing and physical availability matters far more than anything else
Not on PC; they were indoctrinated into giving away that long ago, they are the easier audience to force into adopting shit

>The Deck can play virtually everything portably with the convenience of a console, has a slew of features/controls, is far more consumer friendly, and doubles as a full fledged PC for anything else you could want it for, all in a very reasonably priced package. It is what consoles should be.
And nobody cared and sold small numbers; don't let loyalists blind your judgement, people don't want it or don't see the worth on it. Normalfags and actual gaming audiences; they didn't buy it. Everything else is just speculation

>>715740760
They will move to PC for your now non existent exclusives.

>>715765580
>i disagree
and? instead of arguing that you should buy consoles based on gay tangential shit that has nothing to do with the actual real world usage you should just shut the fuck up
you're not a reliable narrator, your reasons are lesser to anyone with triple digit iq

>>715746859
>pc vegan
>gachatranny
Fucking KEK

>>715765510
And just like that with you thinking that Microsoft made your bed an Xbox

>>715765556
Valve probably got some good learnings from that to the point where the Steam Deck 2 may not have that so it can sell more to the point of even surpassing the OG Steam Deck. I am interested because it'll be the flagship product this time with the SteamOS and Deckard being connected to it.

>>715746837
When something is free, you are the product.

>>715746868
>The last time we had any information
10 years ago.
It's not profitable anymore, since prices already went up.
Not to mention developers admitted it hurt their sales, so they moved their games to PC and Play Station.

>>715765691
>instead of arguing that you should buy consoles
I wasn't telling anyone to buy consoles.
>you're not a reliable narrator, your reasons are lesser to anyone with triple digit iq
I disagree.

>>715747228
>still losing to fucking mobile shit and console
Vegan

>>715765815
>Same but swap PC for consoles. It's not 2012 anymore. I know it is mentally for you since every day is one big disappointment since high school, hence posting tranime as a full grown man while trying to be taken seriously in a discussion.
funny to come up with all that cope only to ruin it with gay shit that's on par with women deciding their clothes picks based on vibes

>>715765860
but you lost to gacha too by that logic?
and consoles have the advantage of being made for entry level retards too and aren't even decisively winning over pcs
how sad

>>715764691
So you're making shit up and don't play on PC at all, and don't have a PC that can play games while larping as an idort.

>>715765898
>40 year old adult male with autism just figured out for the first time his opinions are based on personal vibes
Is this a breakthrough?

>>715766031
>tranime
Scrolled past.

>>715766043
they're literally not
i'd buy a console if i could shove a linux on it and not be stuck with the cuck experience
that would be a decent deal
not for the switch 2 though, that hardware is pure shit for the price

>>715765742
I just don’t see it having nearly the same level of interest as the original deck no matter how they market it. It’s just a handheld PC that now has to compete with other handheld PCs along with itself if it winds out coming out too soon.

>>715765732
>Microsoft made your bed an Xbox
BUT I DIDNT ACCEPT THE TOS!!!

>>715765646
The Deck is a physical device where physical presence matters. It's hardware. Being able to see and buy it in a store for hardware is important. There's a ton of fud and misconceptions about it because people basically have to just buy it and see for themselves what the fuss is about because they can't test it out anywhere.
Also anytime you see things like merch or giant pikachu balloons in parades, movies, theme parks, etc. All of that is marketing. All of that is pervading the public consciousness to keep a brand and console afloat. Deck doesn't even have something as simple as a commercial, isn't sold in stores, and isn't sold in most countries.
I would be more inclined to believe your stance if I didn't see first hand how it replaced my normalfag brother's Switch and the PS5 his wife bought him around the same time. A normalfag who would have never got it in a million years had I not gifted it to him.

>>715766121
Sweetie would a picture help? Perhaps a venn diagram?

>>715746913
anti dupe

>>715766140
Also, doesn't have a hook since the SteamOS isn't exclusive to it. It will only be aimed to the people who bought the original Steamdeck and not much more

>>715764691
>his shitty laptop could only play project zomboid
>larps as an idort and shitposts every thread into oblivion crying over pc and sucking off nintendo
Hilarious

>>715765732
HOW CAN THAT BE?!!!! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

>>715766356
>>his shitty laptop could only play project zomboid
False.
>>larps as an idort and shitposts every thread into oblivion crying over pc and sucking off nintendo
You'll survive.

>>715766171
>The Deck is a physical device where physical presence matters.
Games. Steamdeck doesn't have physical units for that therefore nothing much but a digitalcuck machine

>I would be more inclined to believe your stance if I didn't see first hand how it replaced my normalfag brother's Switch and the PS5 his wife bought him around the same time
Maybe because they either saw you with one and followed like the mindless cattle normies are or you shilled it and that was it. As for the rest we have the hard data to interpret; the numbers aren't as big, it was niche and that was it. And nothing wrong with that tbqh

>>715766223
if you're of the opinion that having more freedom is irrelevant then i just feel bad for you
i feel bad for myself too considering i wasted time talking to a swarthy bootlicker

Another question about the Steam Deck 2, is it a guarantee that it's going to be OLED out the gate, no LCD this time?

>>715766442
>Literally unironically trying to grandstand on muh freedoms
I can do that too
>>715762281

>>715766492
more likely than not
it's not a guarantee but considering that the oled models are the ones getting consistently sold out i'd expect that out the gate

>>715766572
the freedoms i care about are fundamental to the experience and affect the very functionality of the system
yours is a fucking sticker that lets you resell shit and has nothing to do with playing the game

>>715766434
see
>>715761838

And no, all I did was surprise him with it. He had no clue what it was. But because it plays damn near everything wherever he wants, it immediately replaced his consoles.
You could say it was niche if all it could play was niche, if there was a huge console-like push for it and only a few people bought it but liked it. As it is, it was a side project for Valve that did way better than they expected and people love it, which is why you hear about it constantly on this board dedicated to people who like video games, but the average person on the street has no clue it exists because they didn't see an ad for it while watching Netflix.

>>715766434
no one on pc is schizophrenic enough to worry about physical games
no one buying a fucking pc handheld wants to carry a bunch of cartridges around

>>715766653
>the freedoms i care about are fundamental to the experience
Not in my opinion. I'd rather have a 1ed Edgar Allen Poe than a kindle fire version that I can change the font, edit text, and add colors. I don't care that the words are blurrier, or that the pages turn slower. You'll just have to accept that a purist opinion exists. I can't help you with that, it's all you.

>>715766827
i already know other opinions exist, this is not what this website is about retard
you'd feel more comfortable on reddit with that condescending tone
in the end your opinions are shit, i'm looking at the car and checking how comfortable the seats are, its fuel consumption while you're looking at how well it fits with your handbag you repulsive faggot

>>715766915
You'll survive

>>715766978
did i finally break you? nice

lmao steam sucks valve niggies, PC gayming is dead

>>715767013
Sure.

>>715766364
Your house in an xbox

>>715767020
It is literally bigger than ever while consoles sell less units and less software than the ps2 and wii/ds era

>>715766824
^This level of cuckery

>>715766750
And neither a fair chunk of the videogame audience, they just stood with the console or PC. It was a niche product due the little audience it could have and they were right, it sold as much. But it was a successful niche product for that

>>715767020
True. PC died for me when you couldn't own games anymore.

>>715767020
dont say that anon, I'm sure they have a mobile port slated for this week

>>715767215
>consoles are selling less units than the era with out of the norm numbers
S-Shocking! I'm flasbergasted

>>715767243
>y-you're a cuck
no, you're just projecting the dogshit cucksole experience
you still own digital games from 20 years ago and they're fully functional
meanwhile have fun trying to play 3ds or ps3 games online

>>715766824
Sounds like gaslighting.

>>715767350
>no, you're just projecting the dogshit cucksole experience
I'm actually projecting the pc experience

>meanwhile have fun trying to play 3ds or ps3 games online
>he doesn't know
More importantly; you're a fucking retard for depending of online lol

>>715766824
>no one on pc is schizophrenic enough to worry about physical games
You can't
>no one buying a fucking pc handheld wants to carry a bunch of cartridges around
You can't

>>715767448
>he doesn't know
that you need to literally fake online because the console corpos hate you?

>>715766824
>no one buying a fucking pc handheld wants to carry a bunch of cartridges around
>i'm too retarded to know about SD cards

>>715767109
A-Am I speaking to an Xbox right now?

>>715767501
Just like any fanserver on pc, vegan

>>715767515
>physical game
>is just an installer baked onto a flash drive
who fucking cares at that point?

>>715767598
Nobody, that's why most of those fags flopped

>>715766601
Damn, why couldn't Nintendo come out with a Switch 2 with and OLED screen out of the gate? Why did Nintendo have to cheap out and downgrade?

>>715767568
>fanserver
that shit came out with the fucking game
meanwhile you have to reverse engineer that shit because they just hate you so much that they can't even drop the files out of goodwill

>>715767567
>You're an xbox

>thread about console wars
>console fans tag team and BTFO PC vegans
Love to see it

>>715766492
I would assume so, but I could also see them offering a cheaper LCD version at the same time.

>>715767648
>that shit came out with the fucking game
Not all, nigger. You need to make your own servers for some games on pc

>>715767720
>pc is such a massive threat to consoleplebs they have to team up with their most hated enemies to even try to have a chance
lmao

>>715767648
Playing ARK SA on a private server with mods on a console right now. AMA