How can I be successful with the Japanese audience?

by spamming the same thread over and over on a mongolian basket weaving forum

I know this is just a dr thread but i cannot help but notice dumbfuck niggers asking shit like ''uuuhhh how do i make my game successful'' yet you got nothing to show.
If you are not making a game in the first place then heed my fucking advice: There is no such a thing as becoming the next Toby Fox. Your dreams are that. dreams. Now wake up and quit trying to make it big on a dying industry.

>>715832475 (OP)
the first step is going back in time 20 years and becoming IRC friends with tomato

>>715832663
>10 days apart
>spamming

?????

Something a lot of people forget is that Toby *already* had an audience before creating Undertale, he was a prominent musician for Homestuck which, at its peak, was MASSIVELY popular. He didn't start as a no-name and became massively succesful from one day to the next.

So what you can do is collaborate with others first. Become part of a project, and if it's succesful, develop a platform, and once you have followers and aren't a nobody, THEN you can start showcasing your own works to people that will be interested.

>>715833157
True [BIGSHOT] post right here

>>715832663
desperate, your turn

>>715832475 (OP)
Step 1: be lucky
Step 2: be lucky

>>715832475 (OP)
Add NTR

has to be cute and sincere

Be cool

>>715833157
Something people also forget is that Toby didn't just wake up one day and have the skills to write Megalovania and come up with Undertale. He played piano for years prior and wrote plenty of other things you probably never heard because they weren't notable. Even the notion that Undertale was Toby's very first game and he had no experience making games is kind of a lie. He worked on ROM hacks for a while and made little games with his brothers growing up. These aren't on the level of Undertale of course, but what I'm trying to convey here is that he wasn't starting from zero. You need to keep this in perspective if you're inspired by him and want to make your dreams come true. You're setting yourself up for failure and misery if you say "i'm going to make every part of my game and it'll be just as awesome as Undertale!!! here I go!!!!!" and then you crack open FL Studio and realize you suck ass. Toby sucked ass at some point in his life too. You've gotta work through it and grow.

>>715835240
Exactly.
That, and you should *never* try to copy someone's success. You cannot recreate the conditions that led to one specific person being succesful. That mindset is poison. Create your own success and your own self-fulfillment, without the desire to become massively popular and famous, because that too is poisonous.
As long as you have an audience, even if it's just one person, or a small circle, that should be enough. Whatever it is that you make, it doesn't have to be perfect, or massively popular. It just has to be.

test

>>715832475 (OP)
>weird route
>game is so fucked player makes kris goes back in time somehow
>its on THAT night
>they are behind the tree
>make them jump out and slash dess which nearly oneshots her because kris is strong as fuck from TDD (total darkner death)
>out of desperation they steal their own younger selves soul
>and replaces it with the red one

>

>>715832475 (OP)
become japanese

>>715836304
I forgot what the deal with the wanderers was
But I also don't care enough. What's stopping Hussie from making an abridged version of Homosuck?
>>715832475 (OP)
it was ALL because of Homestuck. 90% of Undertale's success come from being a spiritual successor to Homestuck. The whole shit was culture defining. We don't think about it much today because its falloff was so massive, but Homestuck defined the early 2010s of the internet.

>>715837435
>I forgot what the deal with the wanderers was
they would eventually find a terminal system that gave the kid on screen playing sburb an intrusive thought depending on what the retarded caripacian typed into the console
its a little bit like a less direct version of what we are doing to kris

>>715837817
oh fun

>>715833157
>Something a lot of people forget is that Toby *already* had an audience before creating Undertale, he was a prominent musician for Homestuck which, at its peak, was MASSIVELY popular. He didn't start as a no-name and became massively succesful from one day to the next.
Relative to the thread, are Japanese Homestuckfags actually a thing?
And was Homestuck actually good? I never read it but I keep hearing about how it's ending is apparently atrocious

>>715838385
Yes... For like the first two fifths of it. Problem Sleuth was better.

>>715838385
>Japanese Homestuckfags actually a thing?
Not enough to be relevant.

>was Homestuck actually good?
That depends, it was quirky and full of mystery and twists, if you like that, you will probably like it. It goes downhill due to self-sabotage by his own creator. Cascade is the point where people agree the quality start to dip and eventually nosedive.

>>715838385
Just watch the flashes and fill in with the wiki. You will of course miss a ton of shit, but you'll also get a good idea of the appeal. That's what I did anyway. I'm a 130 IQ brainlet who reads slow as shit so there was no way I was getting through a story that's a Bible's worth of text.

Anons, that artist has finally decided to draw the second path of the comic.

>>715838849
>Cascade is the point where people agree the quality start to dip
[S] Cascade is probably the climax of the entire internet. All of it. Everything afterward is falling action, denouement, rot.

You are ready for chapter 5, right?

>>715838959

>>715838385
Homestuck is for, and and always has been for, tumblr faggots

>>715839006
I meant post Cascade

>>715839075

>>715838959
Well what the fuck is the source, all I get on google is fucking reddit with no sauce

>>715838385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mldr4sSV4s&list=RD0Mldr4sSV4s&start_radio=1

Watch the point where the story peaked and read until this point. Don't bother with the rest after, just imagine what happened.

>>715839140

>>715838385
skip act 5 act 1 (literally half of the characters die anyways and all of the important shit that happens gets mentioned later) and just stop reading whenever you want after s cascade

>>715839026
i'll get around to it when Tobert posts a release date or something

>>715839292
>>715839147
idk, I too found it on reddit, so I'm posting it here so you guys don't have to go there.

>>715839356
Oh I see. Thanks

>>715839356

>>715839106
I know, I'm sort of agreeing with you. You're saying it was at least a local high, everything afterward is downhill. I'm extending it to say that it's the absolute high, nothing before or after was as Good or Internet.

>>715839339
>skipping the parts with Equius and Nepeta

>>715839426

>>715839483

>>715839458
all of the trolls except karkat, terizi, vriska and aradia are barely even characters

>>715839538
Final panel. I'd say it's pretty kino.

>>715839601
Nice, it's a lot better with these choices.

>>715839198
I would say to at least watch [S] Act 6. Consider it an epilogue.

>>715835240
some people just don't have the talent for music even after playing for years. they can read sheet music and build a classical repertoire but still lack any musical maturity, can't improvise, can't transcribe or play by ear, can't compose. just robots with half decent rhythm and sight reading skills. i really think you either have it or you don't with being musically creative. i tried my hardest to get into singing, memorizing intervals and solfege, just so i could "hear" piano music right, but really the best you can do is whatever you come up with in a moment. you can't prepare for it like you can a test, a domain where you can force success. people who try that become "theoryfags". it's all intuition, and spontaneous talent. you need the ear.

yes toby fox sucked but he also had a huge following as a teenage (also look at his yearbook entry and extracurriculars - he was 'that kid', the one everyone knew was going to do something, went to a top school, etc). the undertale soundtrack was composed when he was in his late teens and early twenties. he is in all ways a talented outlier. he was really good at what he did for almost all of his youth, from the biographical details we have. and that's how it is for most really successful people. they were the ones you remember "having it" in middle school and high school. they weren't the losers and aloof midwits on the margins.

I hope there's a section where we posses Susie and she ends up being a even worst host than Kris.

>Doubts almost all of your decisions
>Everybody thinks she's gone mad as she's muttering to herself constantly.
>Will frequently interrupt you to offer new suggestions, make choices for you,
>Narration goes from being snarky to being very weird trash goblin.
>if you even try to do something weird route esque she will instantly stop you.

>>715839803
Toby pisses me off because we basically have the same background culturally, but I was too much of a fuck up around the age he was making homestuck music of even the halloween hack to do anything useful.

>>715839936
>same background culturally
you mean rich spoiled preppy new englander who went to an elite school?

>>715840002
No, I mean we both liked Touhou and Earthbound.

Got kicked out of school for being too much of a troublemaker.

>>715839573
They still funny

>>715839869
And ironically, I get the feeling people will love it because it will probably be mostly played for comedy, and we can rest assured she's not working for the villains.

>>715839869
That would make sense, anytime I see that your choices dont matter theme comes up is because of Susie. SHE is the outlier when it comes to player choice.

Cant wait for this to happen again

Anyone got that one piece of fan art of Dess calling Kris' fake horns a costume?

>>715840292
Imagine that but then Susie stops and starts licking him, slathering Kris' face with her big tongue before opening wide to take a biiiig bite

>>715840112
Susie...

wheres does the line of a Ideas guy end and a creator start

>>715840292
After putting him through the washing machine, Susie decides to shake all the water out of him.

>>715840418
Honestly, much though I like her, characters like Susie piss me off for how much they get away with. Don't know if it's just fiction or American schools being very special.

>>715838385
I think it was really good but also massively flawed.
I think it's a rare genuinely unique work, incredibly ambitious, with awesome concepts, and it fits together really well for the first 5 acts despite seeming really scatterbrained at first. But as a downside, there are a lot of inefficiencies in storytelling that eventually just reach critical mass and bog it down. It also is a genuinely competent story, for the most part, not just a novelty.
The way I think about it, it's like if a guy said he will use entirely wooden parts to build a spaceship that will reach Mars. Then he actually builds it, it gets into orbit and finally breaks down somewhere near Moon. On one hand, it was clearly an unrealistic and overly ambitious concept, but on the other hand, it doesn't feel right to say he "failed" at his goal when the result is so much more unreasonably nicer than expected. Kinda like that.
I say it's nice to read until Cascade and still has things worth reading until almost the very end of original webcomic. Just accept that quality will decline and there will be more and more noise in the story.

>>715840382
Genuine puppy behavior

>>715835408
>Create your own success and your own self-fulfillment, without the desire to become massively popular and famous, because that too is poisonous.
The question a dev must ask themselves is this: do I want people to talk about and know ME, or my GAME? Many people think they want the latter, but truthfully want the former and want to use their game to achieve it. I feel like you'd be hard pressed to find an indie dev who would intentionally hide their face if their game got popular.

>>715840438
When you start actually creating.

>>715839803
In some ways I understand what you're saying yet in other ways I don't get the point. I think it's fair to say that Toby has an innate knack for music that others may not have, sure. But so what? Do you need to rise to the level of Undertale to feel like you've made something worthwhile? You sound like you've done a lot to enrich your musical ability, yet you're still unhappy because you aren't the next Toby Fox. The comparison is an unhealthy thought process

>>715840438
Actually making the damn thing.

>>715837435
>but Homestuck defined the early 2010s of the internet.
Is Homestuck actually worth reading nowadays?
The closest I ever read was Prequel (with the Kajiit), but I'm not sure how similar they are beyond the fake-ish user prompt system.

>>715840292
GIWTWM

>>715840767
https://homestuck.kici.moe/story
just try it and see if you like it

The thing that makes Toby Fox special is that he's a musician first, a game developer second. As much as I enjoy his games, you can tell his passion is the soundtrack first and foremost.

>>715841081
It really does pay off though, his music does a good job making any moment in his games feel special.

>>715839803
He's an early genius, anon. There are two types of geniuses: prodigies and builders. Prodigies have ridiculous energy, access to tons of resources really early on, a ton of confidence, and support from the people around it that are force multipliers for the other things. Builders have lower energy and have to build up the other things; they have to be consistent and finally release their magnum opus into the world later in life. You know in early adulthood if you're a prodigy, but builders take longer to emerge.

>>715840668
>Do you need to rise to the level of Undertale to feel like you've made something worthwhile?
NTA, but as a dev just starting out, I kind of do. Not because I want the accolades or the money or because I want people talking about me, but because I would find ultimate fulfillment in as many people loving my game as possible. The one thing that would actually, genuinely kill me is putting my heart and soul into my game, only for it to be lost among the slough of shitty half-baked indie games where maybe five people total were even aware of it. A lot of dev forums and whatnot say that what I just described is exactly why one should never get attached to their game so they can improve later, but why would I work on something I don't truly love with my soul? I want my game to mean something to me, and to mean something to the players, enough that they connect with the characters and the world and craft theories and have shipping wars and everything, because that means that on some level they love my story, that they find value in my brainchild. Is that so wrong?

>>715839869
There's undoubtedly going to be some of that. Even if as a gag. But I also think the game's going to try and refrain from it getting too annoying.

>>715840002
How well off was Toby? I remember hearing that Hussie basically had a free pass to be creative thanks to his family. But I figured Toby had to leach off of that himself due to the whole "living in his basement" thing.

>>715841332
I imagine it will probably be pretty short. Especially since any kind of situation where you and Kris are separated is probably going to be pretty serious.

Kris is canonically a girl.

>>715841725
Kris is canonically a cookie.

>>715841802
Explains why Susie keeps wanting to eat him.

I want to sensually wash Ralsei's footpaws

>>715841081
Zun gives off that vibe, especially since his games were literally said to be just a way to sell his music. But with Toby there definitely is an ambition with his games. And his writing. In fact I'm starting to find a massive part of toby's success is how he's managing to do all three of those things really well.

>>715839026
I need to redo the ending to Chapter 4 and beat up Mike, but otherwise I'm all set.

>>715832475 (OP)
Literally who fucking knows, it's impossible to be successful with the Western audience already.
Does Japan even actually know/give a shit about OneShit and Shallow Knight?

>>715842009
Is the top right one Toby's? What a fag lol

>>715839601
I want a moment in the game where the inevitable "everything goes to shit" happens. Kris tears you out for good, something had has happened to Ralsei and Susie thinks she's on her own now. And just when she thinks all hope is lost a big attack is about to finish her off you jump in to protect her. Maybe even with the green soul gimmick since that conveys "protecting" better.

>>715842009
Damn Toby can't draw a swastika to save himself.

>>715841954
I agree that Toby is better at balancing all aspects. It helps that, unlike ZUN, he can actually write a likeable character to save his life.

>>715841318
Your feelings aren't wrong, but I think you do need to come to peace with the fact that your game probably isn't going to be as popular as Undertale. Toby was just very lucky to have the kind of success he had with Undertale. You can make a super awesome game and still have it be only modestly successful for a variety of unpredictable and uncontrollable factors. It's an impossible standard to hold yourself to.
I think your perception of what's successful can be warped by the internet and social media. If you'd release your game and get 100 positive reviews on Steam, comparing yourself to Undertale is going to make you think, "Fuck, this is a disaster, literally no one is playing my game." Now imagine that you're in a room full of 100 people, each telling you to your face how much they enjoyed it. That'd feel a lot different, wouldn't it? Suddenly you realize a number that felt so small and insignificant still means you had a positive impression on the lives of a lot of people

>>715842009
Do you think temmie and Toby are... you know.

>>715842497
I think the delays might have killed the momentum too much for it to reach the same level as Undertale. Especially a lot of people who praised Undertale but are too burned out by episodic games to give Deltarune a try until it's done.

>>715842509
Well they certainly are next to each other.

>>715841227
>be prodigy (totally)
>nobody noticed my magnum opus

What's a good system to play something like Deltarune as a tabbletop RPG? Like, from a setting perspective. Not looking to translate bullet hell gameplay to a RPG.

It's never too late to start working on your dream project by the way. The idea that you're ngmi because you didn't start as a teenager is stupid. Go and start working on what you want. It doesn't have to be good, it just has to exist. You can make it good later.

>>715842567
>I think the delays might have killed the momentum too much for it to reach the same level as Undertale.
I think people downplay how much skeletonfaggotry, specifically, helped

>>715842901
Probably FATE. It's about character interaction first and combat second.

>>715838385
>chapter 1 is some nerd fucking around trying to sneak past his creepy dad or some shit to get new video game out of the mail, kinda funny
>giant meteor hits his house for no apparent reason
>chapter 2 was some goth girl in a spooky dark house or something i forget, less funny
>chapter 3 focused on an annoying irony poisoned tumblr dickbag, 9 year old me had no idea what this guys deal was and stopped reading there
I'm not sure if I dodged a bullet

>>715843070
2015 internet was a different place in general. You don't get this kind of insane Sans level popularity of characters anymore.

>>715842509
Nah, he's fucking Itoki Hana.

>>715843076
>Fate
I tried to convince my friends to use Fate for a Touhou campaign but none of them were really that into it. Considered just running it as a D&D homebrew, but they aren't THAT Into that one either.

Personally I think Toby is the best creepypasta writer to take up the pen

>>715842509
Toby is happily married to that one girl who was trying to bite off his face in the school.

>>715843328
Weird route does show that he never quite unlearned his internet shitkicker habits. It's also something that you could never see in a more mainstream game. Imagine having to try and explain to executives why you felt the need to include a Deer mindbreak route in your young adult esque urban fantasy adventure.

>>715843357
>Toby is actually just writing how much he loves his bully turned wife.
Damn...

>>715843153
Never got into homestuck but given everything I've heard about it I'm pretty sure you did.

>I wonder where your favorite red headband with horns is, Kris
>If you find it, wouldn't you like to wear it again? Hehe...
>Huh? You're not a child like that anymore? Is that so! Hehe...

>Staaare

>...

>Oh, Kris
>You'll have to wait a bit more for snacks
>Huh? You'd like a belt with a tail...?

did toby actually get bullied by a girl or is susie basically a genderbent fetish coping mechanism?

>>715843795
Yes

>>715843153
I'm surprised nobody has told me my memory is completely wrong yet, a quick check reminded me those first two were actually the same chapter

>>715842497
>Suddenly you realize a number that felt so small and insignificant still means you had a positive impression on the lives of a lot of people
You're not wrong, it would feel nice to have even 100 people say they liked my work. I suppose the internet has warped what my definition of "success" is. But it's hard not to at times, especially when factoring money into the equation - I truly do not want to make a game to get rich, because that mindset leads to near guaranteed failure, but if 100 people bought my 15 dollar game, that means I made 1500 total, which on some level feels like the marketing telling me my game was a failure, even if it didn't succeed for any of the uncontrollable reasons you mentioned. I guess I just take my dreams too seriously.

Are you being a good wingman?

>>715843795
According to him he did but the genderbent angle is really funny. Imagine fucking with some autistic theater kid then years later he becomes a famous game developer who features you as a female barney the dinosaur in a leading role in his magnum opus.

>>715844180
1500 is only a lot if you're a NEET living off your parents like me

>>715844196
I'm torn between supporting Kris and Susie and supporting Ralsei because he needs hugs.

>>715844216
Not the only time he pulled off something like that.

>>715844196
I'd rather turn the doe into my glitch hunting murderwife and I'll be her vending machine in my vessel.

>>715844268
Believe in Karkat's diagram.

>>715832475 (OP)
1. be a cuck
2. enjoy BLACKED
3. support trans rights
4. Get over your toxic masculinity mentality (women are objects, men should rule, trump was right, etc.)

>>715844380
Kris is also pretty obviously Toby's self insert.

>>715844216
>>715844487
He truly did win

>>715840438
Eric barone, Toby fox, Notch, etc.. if you look into their history you'll see they were making all sorts of projects before the big one that gave success.

That's why it's incredibly difficult to "make it" you have to be okay with working hard and making a bunch of shitty things nobody likes or cares about (including yourself) for years and MAYBE you'll make it if you get lucky.

>>715845124
>the big one

>>715845124
>Eric barone, Toby fox, Notch, etc.. if you look into their history you'll see they were making all sorts of projects before the big one that gave success.
And they did it while they were young. What the fuck kind of hope do I have, a 35 year old idiot who has no game dev experience save for a fucking Family Guy maze game I made in Game Maker when I was fourteen? They've got decades of experience, by the time I'd catch up to them I'd be in my fifties, and what's the fucking point of making a game then?

>*clack* *clack* *clack*
>I'm so hungry I'm about to diiieee, so no breaks until it's ready
>*clack* *rattle* *clack* *rattle*

>>715845354
So what if you start late? You could be 80 and still be making shit. Just start now. Who cares about catching up, it's your journey, no one else's.

>>715845391
Japanese Krusie stuff is usually pretty boring
>I hate cooking shows
>Sorry, I tried
>Sorry, bro, didn't had breakfast today

>>715841227
give examples of "builders" who didn't show immense talent in their youth. i can really only think of a couple throughout all of history myself...

>>715845672
I can name several figures but all of them are from the Three Kingdom era for some reason.

>>715845581
What the fuck is up with all of the Russian Krusie stuff? Is it just one artist?

What's the oldest fan design you saw for Dess?

>>715839026
What are you doing for your third save set?

>>715846121
That one image of asriel, kris, and noelle walking behind her. It's in undertale intro style. Funnyily enough that one gives her blonde hair which you never see anymore.

>>715846260
Link?

>>715846121
Oldest one in my folder, at least.

>>715845354
You want to be a creator? Then stop giving a fuck about your age. There are countless artists, filmmakers, writers and musicians who started late and made great things. Do you think anyone gives a shit about how old you are? Do you seriously think people will look at your game, then look you up and say "ew, this guy is forty-eight years old, I don't want to play his game!"? Your game is your vision, and good ideas are timeless. So shut the fuck up and just like make game.

Someone help me, at the end of Chap. 4 how do I get back to egg/sacred moss corridor?
I know I'm supposed to find a Organikk past the Grand Doors but while I see a platform I can't access I can't find a way to get to it. I tried exploring the dark room after it thoroughly looking for a way back.

>>715846413
You can't, that was in Susie's Dark World.

>>715833157
>He didn't start as a no-name and became massively succesful from one day to the next.
No, that's exactly what happened. Toby's success after Undertale's launch was so huge and sudden, it intimidated him and forced him into hermitage for a while to get away from all the noise. Undertale mainly got so big because streamers kept picking it up at the time and producing clips that went viral on YouTube and Twitter, causing attention spread in one of the greatest word of mouth campaigns in gaming history. Almost all of the super successful solo indie dev got big thanks to similar "at the right place at the right time" stories:
>Toby with Undertale
>Pixel with Cave Story
>Eric Barone with Stardew Valley
>Notch with Minecraft
and so on, and so forth.

>>715846413
the path is invisible

>>715846181
Aborted Snowgrave, although I didn't continue the chapter 3 save file but made a new one that splits from save 2 by aborting at the mansion. Just hedging my bets.
>>715846413
>while I see a platform I can't access I can't find a way to get to it
Access it from the bottom of the platform on its left side. When the sides of the paths are highlighted, you'll be able to see the gap on the platform you need to go to.

>>715832475 (OP)
Get her blessing

>>715832475 (OP)
completely missed the opportunity to have Necky being based on the cover
>>715845354
>what's the fucking point of making a game then?
just imagine anon, if your game is popular enough Necky could be chasing your female protagonist around on the front cover of Famitsu. don't horny foxes motivate you??

>>715846368
I don't have it. Seen it posted a few days ago though.

>>715846673
Fair.

Been looking on Danbooru, but I doubt those are the oldest pieces of art you could find.

>>715846121
not the oldest dess image i have but its still a really cool idea even if its definitely not the case

>>715846504
But Toby would not have suddenly found that success if he had started from 0. When undertale came out, many people had played the demo, and many people played the demo because they knew it was by the homestuck music guy. It wasn't just a guy coming out of nowhere with a game and suddenly becoming overnight famous.

Granted, undertale's massive explosion of popularity was unprecedented, but even still, he already had an audience.

>>715833157
i love how everyone collabs to get famous lol

>>715846867
I really doubt Human dess theories either, but it would be cool.

>>715846890
I feel like Undertale did largely blow up due to word of mouth. Then again, it was also crowdfunded. game might have not even existed without a pre-existing fanbase.

>>715842567
I feel like the game is going to explode in popularity when Chapter 7 comes out and we see the endings which will presumably be very good. Undertale pretty much only blew up because of a boss fight at the very end of the game on a secret route

>>715838959
>>715839075
>>715839356
susie is one of the worst characters in all fiction kys

>>715847057
It depends. Not sure if we'll get something on the same level of Sans. That was pure lightning in a bottle.

>>715846121
This ones pretty old. Though I don't remember if we knew about Dess during chapter 1.

what's your favorite AU from either undertale or deltarune?

>>715847216
I replayed chapter 1 recently since my original save file was lost. She was mentioned once or twice but I think she wasn't called Noelle's sister until the second chapter.

>>715847278
This isn't an AU but I'm a big fan of this image.

>>715847278
I starting fucked off the fandom when the AU's started to become overly popular as I could tell that meant people were running out of real content.

Vaguely remember kind of liking one on reddit that switched around characters. Only one I remeber was Papyrus and Sans being replaced by Chara and Asriel.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DRAW THE ROARING KNIGHT PREGNANT!!!!!!!!

>>715847278
Growth Spurt. Nothing fancy or ridiculous, just "Asriel comes back via unexplained reasons and is a typical moody teen readjusting to normal life."

>>715842181
kek

>>715847278
deltarune is literally an AU of undertale you stupid fucking faggot

>>715847278
TS!Underswap because so far the writing, music, art, and gameplay are actually on par with Undertale and the game's gotten past the ruins unlike every other dogshit au
I'd love to hear about other fangames of similar quality but I don't think there are any. Closest anything gets is Yellow but it's still a huge gap

>>715847658
*undertale is an AU of deltarune (teehee)

>>715847278
momdyne

>>715846784
I found this one on the archive at least.

>>715845354
Scott Cawthon was a 36 year old working at a dollar store and wanting to kill himself when he made FNAF. Just make your game and if it doesn’t work out, make another.

hey guys im in ireland for a week how is everyone doing?

do dark worlds exist in undertale?

>>715848119
Did Cawthon really want to make FNaF? He definitely made a soulful final project but the stories I've heard about FNaF's conception make it sound like he was motivated by spite after his other games were panned

>>715848552
Undertale is the dark world.

>>715847278
lil sis chara

>>715848553
I remember him saying he only ever made those games for his kids. I liked sit'n survive

>>715846121
here

>>715848603
This is a pretty popular idea but makes no sense considering it uses the Light World UI.
That being said I can see it being an in between state. Maybe magic in Undertale's world is a result of something happening in Deltarune that leads to the Light World and Dark World merging into one and being reborn as a new reality

>>715848553
>>715848119
Scott is a bad example because the dude had like 100 other projects before he made fnaf. I'm sure he started young.

>>715847424
What the hell, sure.

>>715848776
Now draw her giving birth

>>715843743
Higher quality

>>715847868
>those hoove fingers
how would that even work?

>>715832475 (OP)
consider your overall audience

+ what makes your product special?

+ what kind of people do you envision enjoying your product?

+ dont shill on 4chan, at least initially. backdoor it by shilling on other sites, everything always leads back here

+ make something that resonates with people. resonating and relating are two of the most important things as a creative. even if it's not the main character (they serve as the window character mostly and in a fantasy setting their role should start out small and then grow once your audience is more familiarized with what's going on), having a variety of side characters or other party members.

for example in persona 4 or 5 i doubt most here could relate with being chad thundercock and just effortlessly swoozle your way into the hearts of your classmates without even trying. but i think you could relate with ryuji getting fucked over and exiled from the school track team, yukiko feeling pressured to continue the family business, that sort of thing

>>715846529
>>715846529
Got it, thanks Anons

>>715848776
hell yes!!!!! Thank you! That's amazing daymmm

>>715846529
>>715846583
wtf i thought you couldn't go back to that, it was literally a different dark world

>>715849142
I don't know, but I like them.

>>715849297
Just need to go to the backside of your mind, anon.

>>715849146
>+ what kind of people do you envision enjoying your product?
Children~teenagers with speding money

what makes your product special?
No politics or the gender nonsense that tripple A game studios are doing. Being a real game to a modren audience that is starved of actual games.

+ make something that resonates with people.
Boy meets girls and girl meets boy. Have player(s) self insert so they feel like they are in charge, ie they are the character they are playing as.
>everything always leads back here
ill remeber that for when I make my own game when I get back to the Us.

>>715849297
No it was Susie's version of the same Dark World

So in his writeup for the Halloween Hack Toby talks briefly about the trailer. As far as I can tell, that trailer's been lost to time. Is that accurate?

>>715848938
Okay man, you asked for it.
https://files.catbox.moe/tovto6.png

>>715843328
I think Toby has really stepped up his ability to write horror compared to Undertale.
"You were used up."

>>715847278
The Puppet Pipeline!

>>715849348
>>715849563
I can't find it, you're forced to go to castle town next to the great door, the door in the Study goes to the climbing match with the annoying dog, and the area with the cups doesn't lead to anything

>>715849806
>https://files.catbox.moe/tovto6.png
No antlers?

>>715850287
This room >>715846529 is in the third sanctuary area, not the first. Just keep going until you get to the room where you have to dodge the black fireballs.

>>715832475 (OP)
holy fuck he's so talented at drawing...

It took me some time to fully appreciate the 3+4 soundtrack but I think Toby did very well. I think partly I was disappointed there wasn't a super insane guy theme. I get that's derivative/repetitive and Tenna was almost that anyway, but I remember feeling pretty sad when I heard the Freedom motif in Gerson's fight theme because it hit me that absolutely nothing I had speculated about the last year was gonna materialize. But that's not the game's fault it was just the expectations I set for myself. Hammer of Justice is a fantastic track for the mood of the scene it takes place in.
Some of the best tracks this time are little mood setting stuff like 12am, or the Sanctuary suite, or Neverending Night. Just really beautiful compositions.
I also think I would like Catswing even more if it wasn't attached to a meme character. It's genuinely fantastic but I think the whole time I was playing that boss fight I was like "okay yeah haha very funny". I appreciate the whole Mike Room thing more after sitting on it for a while, I think it was intended to be very good natured.

>>715844423

>>715849806
I'll be honest, part of me was hoping it'd be Jerry.

>>715843795
Looking at photos of him next to Hussie shows that he, in his adult years, is the size of a gnome. Only god knows how much of a pint-sized xmas elf he was as a child that a girl could pick his tiny body and ragdoll him into a locker

>>715848453
I've played too much Morrowind. My brain saw the fence and immediately thought of Snowy Granius

>>715850165
I still don't understand how that became a thing. They took the swapslop meme way too seriously.

>>715850980
I'm reminded of that old post where a femanon saved some kid from bullying in school and years later that kid started a musclegirl appreciation group on Facebook.

>>715850980
I really hope Kris and Susie's first scene is based on a true story

>>715832475 (OP)
high-effort localisation

undertale had a really good one, so it had a chance

e33 had an absolutely embarrassing trash one, so it didn't have a chance

Think about it, we don't like playing games with broken-ass translations where the text doesn't fit properly and it reads like a bunch of copypasted google translate text from 2014. it's the same thing

>>715849806
Thats pretty fucking hot. Thanks anon.

>>715844380
I need that noelle portrait pic on the top right

>>715848731
saving/loading is only possible within the barrier, which used to be a point in favor of Undertale taking place in some type of dark world, but now save points can appear in the light world as well... hm.

>>715852085
Here, I remember I uploaded the PDN of that schizo board somewhere, probably expired by now though.

>>715852130
Toby did initially didn't want light world saves in chapter 4 either, but acquiesced after play testing. It's by far the lengthiest light world sequence with a lot of optional scenes, especially since chapter 3 didn't have one at all, and it would've been annoying having to run all the way back to the dark world just to save.

>>715847278
>>715847837

>>715851343
Something something ''im the real player now''

>>715832475 (OP)
Write cute characters that you'd want to be friends with/fuck
Bonus, have fetish content

>>715852625
The fetish content is mandatory

>>715849348
What does that even mean? What deep lore implications does it have?

>>715846529
>>715846583
When you get to the egg room and the Rudinns says "knockoffs don't have the right to complain..." is he talking about himself? Or Kris?

>>715854636
he's talking about the Vessel you play as

>>715854767
Explain? Who am (I) knocking off?

>>715854926
The Frick

>>715855103
Oh, that guy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vC1GAZ62NPg&pp=ygUcaG9tZSBtdXNpYyBib3ggdW5kZXJ0YWxlIG9zdA%3D%3D

toby may be a good musician but his ass aint ever beating Plok! - Akrillic

>>715843437
Now that Toby's paved the way, it should be way easier for mainstream games to include deer mindbreak routes.

>>715840558
>The way I think about it, it's like if a guy said he will use entirely wooden parts to build a spaceship that will reach Mars. Then he actually builds it, it gets into orbit and finally breaks down somewhere near Moon.
That's a great analogy that I'm gonna steal and use for something besides Homestuck one day.

>>715855363
person whos only non standard time signature listen was plok: this non standard time signature song is giving me plok vibes.

>>715846260
>>715846368
This one?

>be 30
>get inspired to do shit by the new chapters
>start trying to learn how to draw
>realize that I will suck ass for the next several years, and there's a chance that I just might not be creatively inclined and will fail at that or anything else like writing or composing, and even if I am, by the point I'm good enough for anything worthwhile I'll be too old for anybody to give a shit about my amateur-grade slop without being told to have kids or whatever instead, on top of having to juggle my job and other responsibilities as well
>give up
If you didn't start in your teens like Toby and many other people in the industry did, it's unironically over for you. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>715839356
Thank you for taking one for the team.
Where can I see the first part?

>>715832885
tomato gaming?

>>715855681
Yup that's the one.

>>715855812
Bro there are tons of people who jumped into a successful hobby or career late. Contrary to what lazy doomers believe, talent is just a function of time and effort. Yeah you'll start later, but you can make up for that with effort.

>>715846260
Blonde Desses were always pretty rare. I've seen more of them recently, but usually with the caveat that she dyes it to not look so much like Carol. Picrel is the oldest blonde Dess I have saved, not counting >>715855681

Only recently did I realize the second layer of significance to the fact that Noelle's private blog posts can only be seen by "friends."

>>715856236
I really really REALLY hope Toby actually makes this entire scenario Noelle's fault because she creepypasta'd her vidya.

>>715856013
>usually with the caveat that she dyes it to not look so much like Carol
Do people really think Dess and Carol had strained relationship? Judging by how Carol is proficient with katana, I don't think she was such a stick in the mud back when Dess was around, I'd say she was cool and only became such an ice queen after her dessapearance. I guess people got cold on her because she gave Susie a cold shoulder?

>>715855812
Read >>715846409. Internalize it. Then shut up and start.

>>715855812
I bought a drawing tablet 4 years ago and draw like once once a week. I'm still a pre-beg and my art looks like an autistic child drew it (no exaggeration) if you don't wanna end up like me, draw for at least an hour a day and stay out of your comfort zone.

I literally did nothing as a teen but play gmod, skyrim, and minecraft for like 8+ hours daily. I can't imagine achieving anything at all during those years.

>>715855812
You know who else is lazy? Sans. You don't want to be like a homewrecking nigger like him, do you?

>>715855681
why is Asriel BLACK

>>715838385
early homestuck is pure sovl. mileage may vary on the later parts

Japanese games referenced in UTDR:
>Mother
>Persona
>Final Fantasy
>Touhou
>Zelda
>Chrono Trigger
>Smash Bros
>Star Fox
>Super Mario RPG
>Punch-Out!!!
Western games referenced in UTDR:
>"Minecrap"
>Among Us
>Five Nights at Freddy's
>The woman who sings Don't Forget also sang the credits song for Plants vs Zombies

What did Toby mean by this?

>>715856716
Hussie had such a good thing going, then he fucked it, likely because his dad died, but still. Worst part is he really could have stuck the landing, as seen in Problem Sleuth, his *actual* magnum opus.
It's really just a shame.

>>715856654
Ink in the showerhead prank. Took weeks to wash out

>>715856746
That he's a tendie at heart

>>715840579
Devoted purple dino puppy
heard of that for sure

>>715856746
>not mentioning Barkley
>not mentioning fucking Petz

>>715856746
>Forgetting about Catz(/Dogz/Petz)

>>715856746
>accidentally unmasks himself as zoom-zoom because he doesn't knows about obscure Western stuff that Toby references
Now that I think about it, you also didn't include the more obscure Japanese stuff as well, like Brandish and Live a Live.

which thread has a higher chance of deletion? the answer may shock you

>>715855947
No, talent isn't just time and effort. You need to do that to improve yes, but to ignore people can have advantages over others at the starting gate is just "life is fair" cope. Life doesn't have to be fair for you to work your hardest.

>>715857542
Depends on which one he sees first. If he sees the Pauline thread first, he'll stop looking at the catalog and jerk off to it, then delete it when the post-nut disgust hits.

>>715832475 (OP)
undeRtale
deltArune
*****P****
*****E*****
So, what will the title be for the other 2 games?
How would Tobbert PROCEED?

>>715851226
>skeleton gf
SPOOKY! but so hot

>>715839601
That's pretty cute
not the choices i will take
but cute nonetheless

>>715857889
We know that the third game will be NUDEALERT.

>>715838959
Post the first path please or the direct source from past threads. Pls. It's for archiving purposes.

>>715858219
Just look it up on joyreactor.

>>715855812
>be me
>get inspired to do shit by the new chapters
>start trying to learn how to draw (again)
>actually pick up my fucking pencil and draw
>suck right now but that's okay because I'm going to get better
>accept that it's going to take a fuckton of effort and time to git gud
>understand that no one gives a shit how old you are when you create things they enjoy
>dont give up
Simple as

>>715858395
This shit looks pretty bad.
Actually, I like it. Only the mouth needs some serious work. Also the maybe the crotch has to be more in the middle.

>>715858743
I can't get enough of this schizogang. Even if this shit's a joke on the hyper theorists, it does not feel mean-spirited.

>>715858743

What did Toby mean by this?

>>715849806
>The Baby is (you)
I see what you did there you sneaky fuck.

>>715851379
>e33 had an absolutely embarrassing trash one, so it didn't have a chance
Source? I've never heard anything about that game having a bad translation.

>>715855812
Stop being a faggot doomer and so shit.

>>715855812
It's too late. Give up.

>>715859763
This annon is a nigger faggot, ignore him.

What are some games with the same level of SOUL as UT/DR? I want something that makes me feel the same way I felt when I played those games for the first time. I don't mean games that are similar mechanically or narratively, I mean games where I can feel a person's creative vision the same way I can feel Toby's (and, of course, said creative vision is worth feeling).

>>715856746
Dumbass.

>>715859898
Off the top of my head,
OFF
Omori
Cave Story
Klonoa 1&2

>>715859956
I literally just beat Klonoa 2 today lol

>>715859763
true

>>715859898
Katawa Shoujo

>>715859181
Who's the hottie on the right?

>>715860115
Cowboy Mike I think?

>>715859898
Play Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden.

>>715859898
my sincere but esoteric recommendation for people looking for more soulful narratives pulled right from the heart of its creator is the hello charlotte series

>>715859898
You can play my game.

>>715839803
this also applies to writing and especially to art, but /v/ isn't ready for that blackpill.

>>715860360

>>715841475
You need to be well off enough at minimum to have two family cars and at least one family member who can take time off to cart you to the absolute laundry list of extracurricular activities he had. Also, he had a fucking grand piano in his living room. Toby living in Huss's basement was probably some weird way of rebelling and/or him and Andrew were gay.

>>715860446
Lucky for anon toby sucks ass at everything other than music and is a decent writer at best.

>>715848119
>if it doesn’t work out, make another.
I wish ideas were that easy to come by.

>>715833157
Reminder that the Funny Homestuck Song (Halloween Hack Song) wasn't even in Undertale's Demo when the game initially got popular and it initially got popular on 4chan and Starmen.net. Not with the homestuck community.

>>715849146
>+ what makes your product special?
if you're already thinking of your creation as a "product," you've already given up and are only chasing the dream of big money and magazine interviews.

>>715846504
This is also wrong, streamers picked up Undertale after it was popular, not the other way around.

>>715860376
What's it called, anon?

>>715859898
Try Hedon. Just a guy not giving a fuck and making a soulful FPS game.

>>715838385
>Relative to the thread, are Japanese Homestuckfags actually a thing?
I'm not going to say there are literally none, but Homestuck is English-only, which means that it could never have all that much reach over there.

>>715860852
I haven't decided on a name yet. I have no experience in coding or art or music or writing so it'll be awhile before its out and I don't even know when I'll start working on it besides planning it in my head.

>>715860821
That's true. I had a bunch of friends who were all talking non-stop about Undertale on Twitter like 2 weeks after it got released.
>>715846504
FNAF was a way bigger success story that seemingly came out of nowhere thanks to streamers and youtubers. Undertale had a successful Kickstarter. Meanwhile FNAF's Kickstarter had to be cancelled because it earned literally zero dollars and the only reason why it even exists is due to an e-celeb video trashing Scott Cawthon's previous game.

>>715859898
spark the electric jester has a weirdly high amount of detail put into its backgrounds for worldbuilding purposes

>>715844180
Actually, if Steam takes 30% then you've only made $1050. Then, assuming it's all in USD and there's no bad money conversion rates going on, the government takes 15% off what's left and you've got $892 and two quarters to rub together. Then they grab ANOTHER 15% because as an indie or solo dev you'd be self employed and that is a big no no in the land of corporations and shareholders, so now you're down to about $750 from 1500 sales. That isn't even enough to break the $1000 threshold that Steam requires to pay you back the $100 it costs to submit a game in the first place. Isn't that crazy, Jimbo?

Is Undertale/Deltarune that big in Japan? From what I see on Twitter and YouTube there is a way bigger Latin American community for these games, which is slightly surprising because Toby didn't even bother translating the games to spanish.

>>715861267
Its popular enough to be referenced in a random anime I was watching.

>>715861267
Protip a lot of central and south America can speak enough basic english to play vidya.

>>715861419
(this is a terrible thing btw)

>>715861267
Fan translations exist, you know.

>>715861474
Eh, maybe for the br hues, but I don't really have a problem with Mexicans in Mexico, or the rest of America's pants.
Really my beef is with annoying ass domestic foreigners that scream and shit about how "Mexican" they are despite speaking less spanish than I do.

japs love rpg maker games. simple as.
>b-b-but game maker
same shit

>>715832668
how do i make it medium in dying indistry then

>>715855812
You have less time, yes, but, chances are you're gonna be alive for 30-40 more years. Plenty of games end up being good if the art/music/game design
isn't perfect

>>715860612
>decent writer at best
Decent is all you need to harness the wallets of 10,000,000 adoring fans and make them think about nothing but theories based on your dipshit dozens of maybe-maybe-not plot threads for 7 years and counting. Throw in some lesbians and you become a God.

>>715861203
as a dumb person and poorfag i have genuinely no idea what ANY of those extra-school abbreviations are, nor how one person is supposed to fit all of it in along with the actual regular high school class and workload

>>715861474
at least the balatro memes are funny

>>715832475 (OP)
>How can I be successful with the Japanese audience?
To be honest, Undertale was basically the ideal. It respects Japanese games but not trying to be Japanese or too anime.
Japs could feel Toby is like a kid who was born between Japanese devs and American devs

>they fucking do this when there's five other threads on the 'log
>we get hunted down for having a single thread

Is this the only thread up?
Pretty slow.

>>715863415
There's another one, but it's slow too.

>So Sorry in chapter 4
>Noelle knows that humans can remove their souls
>Gaster considers the eggs an "issue"
>the Knight's voice
>Asgore has a black shard
>Jockington turning into a goner
>Noelle is meta-aware (calls out unused items being unused)
>annoying dog in chapter 3 Rouxls fight
>the castle town Rudinn is fading

>>715849806
Based

>>715863590
>>Jockington turning into a goner
Watchu talkin about...

>>715863117
I'll have you know nintendo paid quite a bit for the dozen pedophile advertisement threads an hour and they are very displeased about their console launch being totally overshadowed in organic popularity by a pixel game by a twink from massachussets.

>>715859898
Black Souls 2

>>715864085
His dialogue is getting progressively more fucked up with each chapter just like the library bird

>>715864085
Nta but they theorise his progressively broken speech is connected to that of normalnpc. I doubt that, and think it's just flanderization, but everything is possible.

>>715864302
it's absolutely flanderization, same as catti
no one wants to admit toby has ghostwriters since he was too busy making vtuber songs to write AND translate the minor npcs

>>715864157
actually he's from new hampshire

>>715846121
There's one from ch1 where dess has blonde hair and red and green braces, but I can't find it.

>>715864157
Hang on, that can't be right- Nintendo ALSO paid for that twink's furry pixel game to be a launch title on their console.

>Japs prefer Undertale, but dislike E33
Does this mean Undertale is better than E33?

>>715864907
Yes

>>715832475 (OP)
If your aim is to maximize the chances of your game becoming successful, then I don't think trying to appeal to the Japanese audience should be near the top of your priority list. The western market is much bigger. If your game is of high quality, there's a good chance that the people in Japan will also like it, if your game makes big enough waves for them to hear about it. But it's not guaranteed of course.

>>715832475 (OP)
By making a game of lower quality than an average Japanese indie game that gets less than 50 reviews on Steam.

This thread is still here? Cool.

>>715866878
Who are you making fun of? The guy who made lisa?

>>715867068
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2866830/
Here's a random free RPG Maker game with similar themes to Undertale. It must've taken like 10 times the effort to make.
I finished it and can tell you it's much better in pretty much every way. In fact, it's exactly what made me realise how poor of a game Undertale was, by comparison.
And it doesn't even have to rely on pandering to animal fuckers to be good.

>>715833157
It's the same as getting a real job. To get a decent one, you'll need connections in the right places.

>>715867316
>26 reviews
nothing makes me more depressed than seeing review and player counts for games on steam that people spent years of their lives dedicated to making.

>>715864498
Technically no, or at least in the sense that beyond agreeing to publish it and collecting a platform tax on it.
Undertale/Deltarune basically only has a console version because the Japanese are weird and don't play videogames on computers, usually.

>>715838385
We like to meme, but at the end of the day. Yes. Homestuck was good.
If it wasn't good people wouldn't have stuck with it to read 800,000 words and create the fandom.

It really depends on how funny you find Hussies writing style, if you aren't hooked by the start of Chapter 4, then I don't think Homestuck is for you

>>715867316
Kinda omitting that it's more of a Yume Nikke knockoff.

>>715839079
Objectively newfag statement

>>715867448
>English language not supported
GEE I FUCKING WONDER HOW THAT HAPPENED

Why do Westerners hate the greatest creator of all time?

>>715833157
i like browsing old v threads about undertale
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/312480041/#312480041 its like nothing's changed

>>715857889
>not an anagram
Come on, we have enough options to last for a few lifetimes
>UNALTERED
>UNRELATED
>ULTRANEED
>NUTDEALER
>ANTDUELER
>TUNDRAEEL
>NUDEALERT
>LATERNUDE
And many more
https://new.wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Undertale

>>715867316
>it's much better in pretty much every way
Is music anywhere as good? Is writing better? Are character as appealing, or they are just bunch of Japanese cookie-cutter stereotypes? Are there any moments as emotional as anything towards the end of Undertale? Or we should just take your word for it because it has pretty artstyle and we can't check it ourselves due to being filthy gaijin?

The Dess Zombie fanfiction is the most retarted theory i've heard but atleast it give good art

>>715867948
The funnier thing to me is that aside from how it is now, tumblr (as a website, the current userbase is and had been getting fucking abhorrent since they removed non-user functionality) is one of the functionally least shit of the other major websites that survived the google holocaust

>>715839426
Yeah you know kris never necessarily struck me as evil. I feel like there's some condition or some goal that he's working towards by working with the knight.

>>715868031
Undertale was such a good game, bros

dude this car is merging
merging without looking

>>715867886
It's not in any way. Try talking about games after playing them. I find it much easier than guessing.

>>715867956
Doesn't really matter at this point. There are many good western or Japanese with English translation games on Steam that have only a couple of reviews. They just drown in dozens of games released every day. Literally. Usually ~40 new games release on Steam daily.

>>715868159
>Is music anywhere as good?
Yes, although I feel that, considering the length of the game, it could have more songs.

>Is writing better?
Incomparably. Without the ironic nu-writing, too, while still being funny at times.

>Are character as appealing
Yes.

>Are there any moments as emotional as anything towards the end of Undertale?
Absolutely. And more of them than in Undertale.

>should just take your word for it
Since I'm the only one who can compare them, there's no other option really.

>>715868360
Clown sticker.

>>715867316
>game
:|
>game japanese
:O

>>715868423
>every western game is better than any Japanese game

>>715868360
>Undertale
>ironic nu-writing
Welp, glad to see that I can completely disregard your opinion.

>>715868531
Not what he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHMHng7w1hQ

>>715868586
>Not what he said.
He said that I can't genuinely think a Japanese game is better than a western game, without being a west-hating weeb. Strange, because both my 2024 GOTY and my current 2025 GOTY weren't made in Japan.

>>715868693
He said you were a retarded for trying to assert some random japanese freeware bullshit made in RPGmaker is better than a game that has worldwide acclaim.

>>715868693
I'm just saying that you were disingenuous from the start, picking a game with no English translation so we couldn't instantly call you on your bullshit.

>>715868693
I mean, come on, man. You're saying that some no-name Japanese game is better than the biggest indie darling of the 2010s. It's a hard sell.

>>715868801
>>715868859
>nu-God of War has twice as many reviews as Deltarune which objectively proves it's a game twice as good

>>715869016
Not what they said.

>>715869016
Nobody mentioned reviews in that reply chain you dipshit
Just say you hate Undertale and Deltarune having "le wacky meta humor" or "muh lesbians and they/thems" because that's what most of you fags complaining about it always focus on

>>715869016
No need to try to argue disingenuously, my man. I didn't say that something being more popular means that it's better. I just said that you claiming a no-name Japanese game is better than a game as highly regarded as Undertale isn't very believable. This doesn't mean that it's impossible. Just improbable. Guess I'll never know, because I won't be learning yet another language just to play a single game on a single recommendation of an anonymous person who can very well have ulterior motives for promoting it.

>>715869050
>>715869161
They said the game can't be better since Undertale is more popular. The number of reviews is a proof of popularity.

>>715869260
I'm not saying it can't be better, I'm just saying that it is as probable as Toby Fox browsing this exact thread right now. ESPECIALLY your claim that it somehow has better music than Undertale - maybe you can prove it by finding its soundtrack on Youtube? Because the trailer music on Steam doesn't really sounds that special to me.

When we collect all the Shadow Crystals Kris will job-change to a Paladin, with the final schizoboss being against blue Kris seperate from Paladin (yellow) Kris

>>715869458
Why is he so mean to le soul?

SAVE ME, IMAGE_FRIEND! I'M GOING INSANE!!!

17 months until chapter 5!

>>715868685
>gay buttsex replaced by toriel and asgore arguing
I understand why but it doesn't hit the same way

>>715869617
Cheezus Knight!

Yellow Pink

>>715871009
aie

CHESHIRE CAT HELP ME

>>715871229

>>715871229
hmmmm nyo

anyone have that pic of nightmare dog but its FRIEND

>>715872132
this?

Does friend support kriselle?

>>715868202
>Tumblr bans porn
>all of the mentally ill fuckwits migrate to Twitter
>Twitter becomes the worst cesspool on the internet
>Tumblr is actually a pretty chill and enjoyable blogging website now that all the site crazies vacated it

>>715860446
Same. People tell themselves
>I'm just not trying hard enough!
probably because they're socially isolated losers who don't "know" anybody but their successful "heroes". If you only know successful people obviously your mind will start to assume success/talent is a shared human trait. If you only know (read stories about) Brahms, Mozart, Rachmaninoff, Chopin, etc. and ignore the millions of others due to social isolation, you assume the world is full of geniuses and you're one of them. Same for writing, art, really any high skill ceiling activity. It takes active delusion and self isolation to avoid recognizing that you aren't going to make it.

>people seriously think friend is going to be some irredeemable villain
have you people learned NOTHING from toby's writing style

>>715872726
Oh fuck no tumblr's gotten WORSE since nobody who makes good shit wants to be locked in the nuthouse with tumblrites, and even it being functionally better site isn't the case, as stated, tumblr is aggressive against non-user traffc.

>>715872867
Just like Chara was so redeemable

>>715871149
I like this shading.

>>715872854
i hope that you make it anyway, anon

>>715841080
Thank you for this link, I’ve been looking for it ever since I couldn’t get the unofficial collection to run on my laptop

>>715842909
This

Friend

>>715874708
>kris and noelle
>purely platonic
I'm calling bull

>>715873221
Chara was redeemable.

True pacifist route was his redemption.

>>715872867
I don’t get why people think Friend would be wilfully malicious.
>Mostly just smiles at Kris
>Clones sent out by Eram drop candy when killed
>Damages you and steals your points in Battat, but only when you run into it
>Assuming it’s Noelle’s spam pet, it “left due to happiness”, so it probably doesn’t hold any ill will towards her
It’s dangerous, clearly, but it’s not trying to be.

>>715874708
what the fuck is a QPR

>>715873389
I wish we could all. Maybe if we lower our standards little by little every day we won't notice that we've settled for mediocrity.

>>715875554
>>Damages you and steals your points
it can actually give you a huge amount of points, too (though it still sets you to like 20% fuel)

>>715832475 (OP)
Produce the absolute lowest effort garbage possibly conceivable and then make it meta

>>715875554
it's mostly people connecting dots that might not've been meant to connect, namely noelle abusing/glitching-out her catz and the seashell that says "A PITY, IT WAS ONLY REPEATING WHAT IT KNEW" or whatever

>>715875562
apparently it mean "Queer Platonic Relationship" or in other words just being friends with someone. tumblr is fucking dumb man

>>715875824
but that chart also has "purley[sic] platonic" relationships too, so what the fuck make it a queer relationship? it doesn't seem to be gay-ness since berdleyxsusie and ralseixnoelle are marked as QPRs.

>>715872854
of course you're not gonna be as good as brahms, mozart, rachmaninoff or chopin. those are indeed genetically predisposed specimens, however even being 90% as good as one of them is good enough(which the vast majority of the population without learning disability can theortically acquire), no? this is a holy shit "two cakes" scenario but your cake be almost as good but not as good
>>I'm just not trying hard enough!
you can try your damn hardest but if you do things the wrong way you won't improve at what you want to improve, not even mozart was the wizard that you imagine, he didn't do absolutely everything out of his ear, he still employed his trusty portable piano.

it seems that you've focused only on "lowest level" skills like solfegio, intervals(which are pretty griefy to learn early on desu) and ignored "higher level" skills like chords(yes this might sound ridiculous but do you recognize the striking harmony of a modal mixture minor iv in a major key?), patterns, even whole songs practiced to the second nature level?.

i was also at this stage where despite trying my hardest i wasnt getting any better.
i made my own excercises to be able to hear voices individually in polyphonic music,instead of being an idiot and playing a single/two notes at a time with audacity i started to try to do passages with more notes from my memory