Thread 717596475

*ends your solodev career*

I don't know what that is or what kind of fruit it's supposed to be.

>>717596475 (OP)
An average indie game musician takes $100-200 per minute of music. Simple math gives you $3000-6000 for 30 minutes worth of soundtrack, which is a steal compared to commissioning art assets.

Ends my solodev career.

>>717596615
it's a yellow chile pepper

>>717597335
That's not too bad for a side hustle

>>717596475 (OP)
The only thing that's stopping me is the fact this cunt never goes on sale.

>>717596475 (OP)
How do I learn how to make music? Is it possible to learn by myself online?

>>717596475 (OP)
>make a simple 8 measure drum loop with some occasional fills
>make a simple bassline with a little bit of variety
>put a synth over it with a simple melody
Enough in 99% of cases. It really is that simple.

>>717598112
It's the kind of thing you just dive into.
No person in the world has or ever will learn everything about music theory so condense what you look into about the specific type of music you are trying to make and just try things out.

>>717598112
Just like art, there's no true objective right way to learn/do it. You just fuck around until you get results that seem good to you. You can, of course take classes or read/watch instructional content to learn techniques and methods that may help you, but you shouldn't totally rely on those crutches unless you want to be a forever 'How to draw manga' or Calarts slop maker.

>>717596475 (OP)
Nigger what are you talking about? Music making is the easiest part of all.
PROGRAMMING is the REAL hard part.

Enjoy:
https://fygoon.com/art/music/the-frydarian-tale-original-soundtrack.html

>>717599129
hi there friendo, keep being based

>>717596475 (OP)
just use suno retard

>>717599129
this ugly slop furry game will never be finished lol

>>717599204
Will do.

>>717597335
what? that's cheap as fuck, I was holding off on making a specific kind of game because it required a good soundtrack but if I can get one for a few grand its actually possible.

>>717596475 (OP)
>solodev
I don't see how these guys do it. It seems in recent years solodev games are getting bigger and better. Theres solodev full fledged 3D RPGs on steam now when a few years ago most solodev games were pixel shit. Where do they get the time to do all of this? Are they just commissioning assets? I've been working on my game for a couple years now ~10 hours a day and I still make progress at a snails pace. It's probably going to take me 6-10 years to make 1 game the size/quality of what I'm seeing on steam nowadays.

>>717596475 (OP)
Give me:
>a) a pirated copy of Fruity Loops
>b) an alternative that is just as good
I just wanna make music.

>>717596475 (OP)
I use beepbox.

>>717601282
I use BeepBox to make MIDIs, then GarageBand and/or LMMS to turn the MIDIs into music (GarageBand for original sounds, LMMS when I want to sample soundfonts from Nintendo 64 and Accolade Sega Genesis games).
Works fine for me.

>>717601050
If it's not low poly then the assets are store-bought.

>>717596475 (OP)
*ends your solodev career*

>>717597335
>>717601008
I used to post in agdg on /vg/ pretty frequently, I've made music for a few anons that never finished their games. Some of it is in these old releases. I have a different career and would gladly make some tracks for anons just for fun.
https://arcturus.bandcamp.com/

Indie dev != amateur dev

>>717601050
They have "friends", they're never really solo. They have people to toss ideas around, friends to playtest, acquaintances that make them assets or code etc.

Have you looked at the credits of any of those "solodev" games? It's always at least two or three people. Now I'm not saying solodevving is impossible, there have been quite a few solodevved games but more often than not it's never a solo thing.

Also it seems to me that people who are artists (modelers, designers, illustrators) have a much easier time making a game than someone who is just a programmer or musician. They'll move ahead much quicker than a programmer trying to create shitty art for his masterful code.

>>717596475 (OP)
Its easy as fuck. I can do it and I never understood programming
>>717597335
WTF, if only I knew faggots paid that much

>>717596475 (OP)
I just make bleep bloop Gameboy music in GB Studio for my Gameboy game

I'd 100% be fucked if I wanted to make "real" music though lol

>>717596475 (OP)
Easiest part of gamedev unironically. Even if you have no experience in music, you can quite easily commission an entire soundtrack for fairly little.

>>717602541
>commission this
>commission that
Where are you niggers getting money from

>>717602053
>Also it seems to me that people who are artists (modelers, designers, illustrators) have a much easier time making a game than someone who is just a programmer or musician
Mediocre games live and die on their art style so it makes sense. I don't think people also understand how much art actually goes into a game.
It's why asset flips are so easy to just vomit out.

>>717602620
where does anyone get money from?
your parents, duh

>>717598112
learn basic music theory and familiarize yourself with musical terminology for concepts you want to use in your music (vibrato, delay, chorus, etc).
>>717598312
>No person in the world has or ever will learn everything about music theory
you are insanely wrong, even learning what notes make up chords is music theory you pleb.
it helps to have a understanding of the mechanics of a genre of music if you actually want to make stuff that sounds genuine / "good".

>>717602620
>Up and comer solo dev pulling himself up by the bootstraps from the ghetto
>Look inside
>Dad is a doctor and Mom is a geologist
>own apartment complexes for additional income
>Family home is some 8 bedroom 5 bathroom estate+maid
Gee where do you think a trust fund baby would acquire easy money.

Any good tutorials on how to make good 8-bit music?

>>717602968
I know a guy who is a genius level programmer but none of his games ever gain any traction
He's all about the asset flipping. Tried to make a JRPG but all of his sprites were bought and already being used in other indie games (the big one being Crystal Project). He lacks the artistic vision necessary to make into something distinct, and will argue with you if you try to convince him otherwise.

>>717598112
>pick an instrument that you think sounds cool
>try to learn songs you like
>as you're trying, you're encountering new techniques you can add to your repertoire
>keep trying until you can actually play them
>then pick a harder song and repeat
>???
>profit

>>717596475 (OP)
I have about eleven dynamite tracks that loop perfectly and should cover all the bases for the little tower defense game I'm making. I just need to find the motivation to continue now.

>>717603383
step 1) Boot up famitracker
step 2) Have fun!

>>717603535
that's not making music, thats playing a instrument.
actually producing and using a DAW programme is a separate skill.

>>717597335
What kind of music are we talking of here? I'm not sure anyone would pay that for chiptune tracker music for example, maybe for orchestral stuff made with Kontakt librairies or similar like you would find on Divinity Original Sin or NieR Automata?

>>717596475 (OP)
AI music and SFX is the way

>>717603383
If you wanna go the Gameboy route of 8-bit, GB Studio has a built in music tracker that's pretty beginner friendly

>>717603383
>Make cool sounding arpeggios
>Mash them together
>Avoid chords and if you use them drop the fifth
>Focus on making instruments support each other
>?????
>Profit

>>717603950
You won't be able to make solid music without being able to play anything. Learning to play is what makes you dissect pieces and understand how they are built in the first place.

>>717603297
>you are insanely wrong, even learning what notes make up chords is music theory you pleb.
And you're a fucking retards that can't read.
Name one person that has learned EVERYTHING about music theory. WHICH IS WHAT I SAID.
Music theory is so incomprehensibly vast people stick to their own fields and instruments only. YOU. CANNOT. LEARN. EVERYTHING. ABOUT. MUSIC. THEORY.
It is impossible.

>>717604176
>Name one person that has learned EVERYTHING about music theory
Bach

Post your tunes anons.

>>717603996
We're talking chiptunes and music made in accessible DAWs from schmucks who orbit indie game scene and use discord for contact. For high-end stuff add another digit to the price.

>>717604321
https://files.catbox.moe/yl3xm6.mp3

>>717604143
>You won't be able to make solid music without being able to play anything
there are entire genre's of music made by people who don't play instruments tho, its useful to have but it isn't how music is made, at some point you are going to have to use a (complex) piece of software to actually make your music and produce it so it sounds how you want it to.
>>717604176
calm down son, sorry i hurt your feelings

>>717596475 (OP)
Theres like 50 better alternatives at this point. Cake is literally made for retards

>>717596475 (OP)
GPT 5 can make music

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/12fqSF37KGkt
its for a racing game.

>>717604321
I'm too autistic to make anything original so here's duvet on the famicom
https://files.catbox.moe/i7tn7b.mp3

Is magical 8-bit plugin a good instrument for nes-gameboy sounding music?

>>717604754
Non, use the Nes VST or Plogue plugins, or even Furnace tracker

I've got some musical experience, but have never down any digital music. Are there any solid free programs you can make music in, without making any recordings?

>>717604647
>https://files.catbox.moe/i7tn7b.mp3
It only plays like the first few seconds

>>717604435
>Cake is literally made for retards
is it good?
im something of a retard myself

>>717604868
reaper.
it's good but you'll need plugins for stuff like a piano roll and sf1 soundfont support.

>>717604902
https://litter.catbox.moe/clb3za.mp3
Catbox hates it for some reason.

Recommend a game engine? Should I use Godot or Unreal, etc.? I can model so I want to make something in 3D.

>>717605310
no.

>>717604403
A bit repetitive, with some edits it could be nice. Percussion is pretty good though, just work on the main melody.
Did you use the FNF sound engine or something like that?
>>717604578
This sounds like a car selection theme.
Is it for the race itself?
>>717604647
>I'm too autistic to make anything original
Dont let that stop you, worst it can happen is it sounding bad, and if it does you can take that as experience and try again.
Is that a cover you made?

>>717597335
Why even pay them when any discord has some schizo trooning out zoomer that shits out music on the daily for free

>>717605402
>This sounds like a car selection theme.
Is it for the race itself?
will probably end up as a menu or shop theme.
i still need to do a lot of work on it desu.

>>717605402
>Is that a cover you made?
Yeah, it's just midi essentially converted by ear using 8 bit famicom sound fonts and cleaned up to sound decent. I made a cart that can play it on actual hardware.
I made a few of them, not too concerned with making my own stuff just a random autistic hobby to waste time.

>>717596615
It's a mix between a mango and a persimmon. That's straight from the FL guys themselves.

>>717601939
You do any teaching lessons? Would love to learn how to make decent tunes

>>717605618
I dont know, sounds fine to me, you could use it as main menu theme and show the cars racing in the opening, like Vice City did it.
>>717605984
By ear? Impressive, and having an actual cartridge too.
Fair enough.

>>717604982
what about any free programs?

Any musicfags in here who could recommend me a MIDI keyboard? Video games.

>>717596475 (OP)
>>717597335
Is it really worth to learn this or are you baiting?

>>717606694
bait, most indie devs use royalty free music and you aren't getting shit unless you're as good as toby fox lena raine vert etc

>>717606694
Bait
Do you really think indie devs are going to give you $100 for 1 minute of music.
You'd have to be insanely popular and well known to get commissioned in the first place it's a top .1% thing.
You'd be lucky to get people to comission you on fiver.

>>717606804
>>717607106
t. tonedeaf bedroom producers, people pay out the ass for good loops

>>717601939
a haunting reminds me a lot of Cave Story. Good work

>>717607186
>Open Fiverr
>Videogame composer
>Videogame composer
>Videogame composer
Who is paying out the ass. People are doing full soundtracks for like $200. They wouldn't charge that little if they weren't desperate and it wasn't a flooded market with wannabe Toby Foxes.

>>717607186
I'm not paying you 3000 dollars as a fucking solo dev and neither is anyone else unless you concede to the fact the term indie means nothing whatsoever if you think they have this kind of money to throw around.

>>717607491
being indie =/= being poor

>need to pay commission to:
>idea guy
>music guy
>programmer guy
>art guy
>writer guy
>marketing guy
>10,000 indians who will spam your game everywhere

>>717607801
you can be all these except the 10000 indian shills

>>717607801
>Paying an idea guy
You are the idea guy.
Also don't forget your $100 tip to Gaben so he can also take a cut to your sales too after the game is finished.

>>717604578
Was the idea to make a song out of the car selection sound?

>>717605036
Catbox seems to be down

Anyone here making music that could fit in a chill, fantasy pixel art game?
Or if you know someone else you'd recommend, drop a link.

>>717607331
Thank you, that EP was a little project just to get back into it before having a kid, my heyday was the mid 2010s
>>717606374
Unfortunately not at a place in life where I can commit time but the QRD here:
>if you know an instrument the music theory will be easier. For your chords and melodies, explore the circle of fifths using the key of G - G major, C major, D major, E minor, A minor will get your started
>for instruments, look for free VSTs that have the kind of synths or instrument sounds you want
>download Reaper, you can use it indefinitely as a trial
>start a project, add a track. Add a VST that you have downloaded to the track as an effect. Each track will be one instrument
>record a stem on the track and that should let you open the piano roll, this is where you actually enter the notes
>drum VSTs may work a little bit differently but some you program by just using the piano roll where different notes are different drum hits

Some VSTs I like
>DSK overture for orchestral sounds and there's a good drumkit built in
>TAL baseline for simple mono synth sounds and bass synths (mess with parameters to get some wub wub)
>TAL noisemaker for a variety of sounds
Once you get Tinton it you'll learn how to sell out the free VSTs and will find things more specific to the sounds you like, there are hundreds, these are just to jump off from
You will need to spend time learning how to mix the tracks, basically volume levels and where to pan instruments, etc. there is plenty of info online

>>717607989
Man, I wonder how many indie games never recoup those 100 bucks

>>717608125
You can check out my site here and use anything that's already there. I can make tracks as well but the timeline won't be quick because I have a lot going on irl at the moment
>>717601939

>>717608131
*Once you get into it you'll learn how to seek out

>>717605387
:(

How do I (an idiot) learn to compose music?

>>717598112
Pirate a copy of FL and fuck around for a while and try to make something that isn't dogshit. Listen to some good songs and see what works, try paying attention to what each individual instrument is doing. That's genuinely all there is to it, but do keep in mind that despite what faggots will tell you, musical talent IS something that you are either born with or you aren't. You can cultivate skills but if you are tone deaf you are never going to be a musician/composer, and that's fine, there's a shitton of royalty free music out there to use anyway.

>>717608462
do you know how to play any instruments? do you listen to a lot of music? how varied are your musical tastes?

>>717605036
This is really nice, good job

>>717608584
No. I am completely music retarded. I don't understand how people stitch sounds together to make something that sounds like music. I don't understand how notes work. I don't understand how you're supposed to structure anything.

>>717607801
>idea guy
>programmer guy
>writer guy
You alone should be these three, at the very least.

>>717608165
If you don't think your game is going to earn more than $1000 you should just upload it to itch. Which is what most people do and if it blows up they use the money from that to put it on steam.
That's why Itch is just full of free demos that eventually get full games put up on steam because the ads cover the listing cost.

>can make music
>cant code or do art

>>717608720
Well of course if you don't have any experience, you won't understand how does it work. It's like never picking up a pencil and asking how to paint Mona Lisa. You have to try it yourself, as you go you'll see which colours work together, which types of paint give what vibes, what kind of framing works best for the work, how do you accentuate the important parts, and so on.
Pick an instrument, try to learn the things you like, and it will slowly start making more and more sense.

>>717604403
Reminds me of FNF or Splatoon but too repetitive for my tastes.

>>717609006
Look at Toby Fox, you don't need to be able to do either to make a successful game

>>717609037
I'm not interested in learning an instrument. I want to use software.

Composing for games is easy as fuck

https://streamvi.com/watch/1800055523878752

>>717609138
This

>>717609138
people glaze his music but in reality it's his characterization because whether you find it cringe or not, most people ONLY care about media with characters they can get attached to.

>>717609221
You learn an instrument in order to understand music and ease yourself into creating it yourself.
Maybe it's possible to just go right into software, but I assure you that it's much, much easier to experiment and improvise with a real instrument, and you won't be able to create anything without doing that.

>>717598312
>No person in the world has or ever will learn everything about music theory
Hmm...

>>717609323
>characters they can get attached to.
Funny way of saying "goon to"

>>717596475 (OP)
Saar beautiful chatgpt does for free saar

>>717609303
You realize this is why people like his songs in general.
It just reminds them of media they already like.

>>717609524
Yes, that's why composing is easy, download a sound font from a popular old game, crib some melodies, combine them so you can claim ownership, export you're done

Coding and game design are much harder in comparison

>>717609510
The characters do not have remotely sexy designs, they are fucking poorly drawn NES sprites. There is porn because of the attraction that the artists have to their personalities

>>717608606
Thanks, have a cowboy boss battle theme.
https://litter.catbox.moe/kg00xdwujvhlvwl0.mp3

>>717609006
>can make music and art
>cant code

>>717609654
>Yes, that's why composing is easy, download a sound font from a popular old game, crib some melodies, combine them so you can claim ownership, export you're done
How come no one else has pulled an Undertale so far?

>>717609660
>he thinks furfags care
They're deviants by definition anon

>>717609323
This, if it were solely for his music people would have been doing Megalovania memes way before it was attached to le bad time skeleton

>>717597335
>30 minutes of music = several months' salary
It doesn't take that long to make 30 minutes of music. Especially not indie "quality" music.

>>717609753
What do you mean, plenty of people have

Is there a guide that teaches you how to compose music specifically for video games? Video game music sounds different from normal music.

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/1hQPA8S2iu2m

>>717609773
I wonder if there's a place where deviants can share their art. It'd probably be a massive cesspool.

>>717609303
>anon learns about chord progressions for the first time
The Phoenix Wright/Dating song is the only one that is legit because it even uses similar sounding instrumentation, and I think Toby admitted as much before

>>717610092
Say that again...

>>717609721
This is great, you have a talent for this. If you didn't tell me this was a cowboy boss theme I'd have guessed this was for a beat em up level that takes place on a train where you have to fight through and on various box cars

>>717609773
>furfags
Both banned show and undertale have a bigger venn diagram connection than furfags do to either
>>717610092
Haha
I wish AI didn't take over. It's not fun anymore to search through the place for both genuine art and to laugh at people.

>>717610063
real fart hours

>>717604321
https://files.catbox.moe/zrb5pa.m4a

>>717610156
That's because it's ram ranch.

>>717610142
>he thinks it's just chords and not straight up melodies and even entire song structures
Half of those have direct or indirect confirmation too

>>717596475 (OP)
>tfw able to make vidya music but inable to make vidya

>>717609862
Name 2 popular indie games that are renowned for their music composed by the main developer himself.

>>717610059
Videogame music sounds different from "normal" music in that despite being instrumental, it usually keeps fairly simple tunes and very rarely goes into any improv sections or significan't changes to the tempo/keys. It's much more similar to film music in that regard. You have to remember that in most cases you don't want it to sound so busy as to take over the scene, but it still should have a memorable melody.

>>717610341
And obviously released after Undertale I mean.

>>717610341
Cave Story, Stardew Valley

>>717598112
use the plok soundfont

>>717609721
Thought it was an NES cover of the Attack on Titan opening when it first started

>>717610425
>>717610459
Oof.

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/1mDfNr4vZ9qg

>>717610235
Huh, I've actually listened to Ram Ranch before not sure why I didn't recognize it

>>717610679
very emotive

>>717610341
Touhou, probably more famous for the music

>>717608131
What do you mean with the drum and the piano?

>>717610063
This sounds Hotline Miami.
>>717610223
Pretty nice.
Its a bit repetitive though.
>>717610679
Gem, no complaints about it, nailed it anon.

Is it that easy to find a pirated copy of FL Studio?

>>717609138
>thinking you'll end up like toby fox instead of jason "piratesoftware" hall

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/17Xu614VBEhK

>>717610679
Beautiful, but it's just a piano song. I want bleeps and bloops in my video game music bro.

>>717611213
If you're not a narcissist, there's literally no chance that you'll end up as Jason. Every single shortcoming of his is caused and exarcebated by his narcissism.

>>717611326
Anon piano converts to midi very easily

>>717609006
>>717609725

>>717611206
Yes.
As long as youre not afraid to possibly infect your PC with malware.

>>717611489
TLDR

>>717596475 (OP)
Why did Roland discontinue Sound Canvas, again?

>>717611296
This is the kind of experimental stuff that I expect from /v/.

>>717611326
amidoinitright
https://vocaroo.com/1gZabbzxo3eY

Unless your game really revolves around music, or youre genuinely convinced youve got the second coming of Zelda on your hands and need the release to be perfect, music is dirt cheap. You can get bulletproof commercial use liscences for free or sub-$1-per-track premade music off dozens of storefronts and blogs. Same with 80% of art. Backgrounds, UI elements, there is a premade for LUDICROUSLY cheap out there that looks FINE. my strategy recently has been making games using maybe 60% assets like this, and only 40% ones I have to custom make, and that 40% is the stuff im the most passionate about, or that leaves the biggest impression. So far, I’ve said an absolutely zero criticism in regards to this, the stuff I’ve bought I haven’t seen anywhere else, it’s not like the RPGmaker default assets. It lets you get some games out, I’ll let you see which games people like, it gives you a bit of incoming cash, and then, if you really need to, you can use that incoming cash to improve the assets in your games if the premade ones weren’t good enough. You get wrapped up in everything needing to be custom made for your project and you dont release a game.

>>717609510
I’m a huge DRfag and I don’t spank it to the characters.
Okay except Tasque Manager but I ain’t playing the game for her.

>>717611296
Very solid work, I get the mental image of a subterranean watery cave level in a PS2 platformer or something. Pretty rigidly structured and predictable though, if I had to give advice I'd say try to make more interesting transitions between segments

>>717611793
>Why did Roland discontinue Sound Canvas, again?
Why did Roland discontinue the Integra-7?
To push their cloud rental service and strip you of ownership of your instrument sample libraries.

>>717611213
If you actively try to learn and improve yourself you won't ever end up like that fag. You need to have genuine passion and earnestness though which is in short supply on /v/

>>717604321
I can never be satisfied with my music. This one was meant for a snow stage, but I threw it away because I found it too repetitive and boring. I always compose songs and end up discarding them because I'm never happy with how they turn out. https://voca.ro/1cpxMUpRnlVz

>>717611485
This thread is clearly for solodevs who just want to make a game, nobody wants to get into dev as a career. That's a fool's errand.

>>717612538
You're too hard on yourself anon, that's a perfectly good snow level theme

>>717612102
This mindset is why all indie games are slop

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2mqmwc9oj9fofmcdp4z8u/AFEZSNqQUWTaPHUvgLEe-VU?rlkey=jwb88nqne02kxip2otgrkprzy&st=ckvlmaoq&dl=0

posted some of my latest tunes in here
delicately doing C# classes every day
my mom ( a painter ) says she'll help me with some art
its a start, maybe I'll have something in 2-3 years if I put my mind to it. But we all know anons are pure procrastinators too busy with playing vidya to make vidya

>>717612708
>get into dev as a career. That's a fool's errand.
You probably wouldn't be able to either since all the entry level positions at established companies are only available in Malaysia. Your only hope would be a startup/indie route.

>>717612538
Is it me or Vocaroo doesnt load the songs?

>>717609790
No-one cares that you live in a third world shithole, that's how much people pay. If you don't like it, you can ask your local discord trannies for freebies like the other guy.

>>717612061
there's soul, but the instrumentation isn't there yet
it sounds like a touhou song with a couple tracks missing, the bass drop moments need to be much more pronounced and there's no backing. when the hard parts are supposed to hit but there's no impact, it's like the musical equivalent of mumbling/rambling, it all sounds the same and the song becomes limp even when the melody is good

>>717612538
I tend to do snow music way slower. But not bad.

Music is like the ultimate "comparison is the thief of joy" medium.
I go and listen to some old tracks from games I love, and I just get beat over the head with how it blows anything I could make out of the water.

>>717596475 (OP)
I just used AI music for my game and all the reviews say it's amazing. Only one person out of 300ish reviews said it's AI.

>create 20 second clip with melody
>throw it in suno
>get full 4 minute song
>do this 100 times and pick couple best
>download stems and slice them together
it just works

Any of you use a synthesizer keyboard for your composing?

>>717612198
You're absolutely right and that's always been my biggest weakness. The sad part is this is probably one of my best structured works. Definitely gotta get better at that. Appreciate the feedback.

>>717613224
>only one guy was smart enough to realize it's AI so the fact the rest are retarded NPCs is a good thing

>>717613220
There is one track that does that to me, and it's Wily1 from Mega Man 2. Otherwise I'm good.

Accoustic guitar chad here, currently making an arrangement of a cool ass anime music
Will I be able to make music for my solo dev game afterwards?

>>717613175
Yeah it's hard to do on a GBA soundfont. That shit has no bass or drum backing.

>>717601282
>warrior prINCEST

>>717613429
in the (relatively) near future, people may comission real people to brag about that fact, mostly for a "nice" way to show off they are rich

>>717613220
kek, yeah
I remember I think Marty Friedman said in an interview something like "listening to other solo guitarists just makes me think either how I'd play that differently, or how I wish I could have written that"
Ultimately music is a very personal medium, I think. Just focus on how it makes you feel.

>>717612538
>anon composes song that is better than anything i have ever or will ever make and basically sounds like a song from a mainline nintendo title
>throws it away because it's "repetitive and boring"
y-yeah i agree bro pretty lame, you have a lot of room to improve haha

>>717613220
Just steal them anon, that's what they did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-B3Q0cRrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJxJxr9RlKM

>>717613632
>they said comparison was the thief of joy
>so I became the thief

>>717612538
Great stuff, what instruments did you use to make that?

>>717613230
exactly what i do except more post-editing and refeeding back into suno/udio

>>717612538
this is quite fitting for a game that doesn't take itself too seriously, possibly for a spy section during winter
I like.

>>717604321
Gladly.

>>717598694
How do you know programming is hard if you never programmed in your life?

>>717613992
>>717604321
... oops
https://files.catbox.moe/nnrjk0.flac

>>717596475 (OP)
>Can make passable individual tracks.
>Have no idea how to make arrangements over/under them beyond basic bitch block chords/arpeggios.
How do you cure this, Anons?

>>717596475 (OP)
I fully expect modelling stuff to fuck me in the ass, and I'm also wary of how complicated coding for my game might turn out, but I honestly didn't expect this to be such a wall. Is there a point to trying to grind it for a small amount of time every day over an extended amount of time or is it just one of those things where I'll have to be on it 24/7 for a few weeks before I get some basic level of proficiency with the program?
Also I've heard soundfonts can be legally iffy but I can imagine it to be the same for instruments, especially if you're just pirating it. How do I make sure no one will bother me about how I composed my shit when I manage to get something out in 69 years?

>>717614460
Just need to be determined anon

>>717596475 (OP)
I can't even use this on my project.
I'm contemplating just importing .mid files and assign the instruments in the editor, because making an actual music editor in it was a bit of a mistake.

>>717614071
I have, as a matter of fact, thats why I know what Im talking about, nigger.

>>717614460
>How do I make sure no one will bother me about how I composed my shit when I manage to get something out in 69 years?
Pull every single track through band distortion

>>717613768
They're all presets from HALion, Zenology, and Monopoly. The drums are from 'Drums Overkill'.

>>717614073
I was expecting a Kingdom Hearts boss fight theme, not... whatever the song turned out to be.

>>717613152
I'm all for paying people more but indie music at that price? Get a life

>>717612538
>I can never be satisfied with my music
This is true of most creatives. That drive to improve is how great artists improve so much. Otherwise you turn into Buckley

>>717614772
Oh yeah and all the assets just make themselves huh.
You haven't developed shit in your life, stfu

>>717614460
My man don't attempt to get good at programming, modelling AND music all by yourself unless you are playing the long game and want to have a game out in 5-10-15 years at least, depending on your project complexity. Ideally you'd choose 2 of them and find someone else to fill in the missing slot.
Well if you enjoy doing all 3 then I guess it's fine, but life is short and art is long. It takes on average 2 years (full time) to get good at something, so I hope you don't have a job and around 6 years of free time available.

>>717612538
Reminds me of Mighty Switch Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRyR27l7vks

>>717610679
>1:10
sounds like harry potter

>>717615072
>Oh yeah and all the assets just make themselves huh.
No, that's the job of the person making the game

is this the thread?

>>717614874

Shit, that stuff looks expensive

>>717608520
Ok but how the fuck do you make a bassline

>>717615336
If you can't make your own assets, then your game is out of your talent scope

>>717615103
I don't have the money to pay others bruv
besides I only have functional standards for the programming and modelling part I only want to get good at music

>>717615302
ooh what's this from

>>717615507
I was just saying that your post is funny, calm down.

>>717615536
(also yeah I have fully accepted taking a gorillion years to get something tiny out which hopefully somehow gets me barely enough money for an artfag at least)

>>717604321
Extreme loud sound warning. Sorry.
https://litter.catbox.moe/dwi96me0d2kziwph.mp3

>>717615394
Pick the "bass" instrument, and then go down to the bottom at the lowest octaves and place some notes.
Listen to the bassline in songs that other people have made for reference, >>717612538
for example. As the song first starts it's literally just 3 notes per segment and all it really does is emphasize the "important" notes.

>>717598112
it's possible to do it purely by ear but you might fucking suffer for it

>>717615302
This is the music thread. If you got any, post it.

>>717615348
If you don't have the money, just pirate them, and only invest once you're earning well from your work. There's no point in buying everything upfront if you're not yet working seriously with them.

>>717615564
a game I'm working on (still no name). Have some combat gameplay.
>>717615905
aw shit, I don't have any. I'll leave some goblins hanging around and fuck off

>>717615218
It's a meme medley I made. It's also got careless whisper and a few other things implanted in it.
Congrats on being the first one to pick up on it.

>>717602053
>people who are artists
>much quicker than a programmer trying to create shitty art for his masterful code
Yeah, a decent artist with mediocre programming skills will often make more appealing games than a god-tier programmer with shit art skills.

No one cares about the programming beyond it just werks™.
It's the art what really matters.
t. CS degree.

>>717596475 (OP)
that's the least of your problems bro, tell me how you are going to get anyone to play your game without a youtuber shilling it?

>>717616025
looks fun anon!

>>717602620
daddy and mommy

>>717616384
i will shill it to my friends on /v/

>>717616384
F95zone

>>717616342
Programming is fucking useless beyond getting the game to work, it's the one skill that doesn't benefit you in any way past the minimum tolerable level

Getting good at art, music, writing, game design will all directly boost your game proportionally, getting good at programming has a hard ceiling

Wait... so if artists hold the secret sauce to making good games... does that mean....
video games are art?

I've composed a whole soundtrack for my dream game and sometimes play pieces from it on my saxophone. One of these days I should really learn a DAW so they can be more than just melodies...

>>717616567
Thats gon be the only place anybody can play it, since mastercard aint gon let people pay for it

>>717616025
There's a gamedev thread right now and we could use your presence.

>>717616661
This kind of thinking is why games today run at ~5 fps and spend a trillion years compiling shaders on the kind of hardware your buyers are likely to be using.

>>717616025
looks like dogshit
when does it come out so i can buy it

>>717616854
I know friend, already tried helping a bro with TrenchBroom stuff

>>717616936
I said minimum tolerable level, if it's at 5FPS then it's not a tolerable level

>>717616978
>looks like dogshit
thanks! appreciate the kind words
>when does it come out so i can buy it
around 2030 or 2040. But I plan to have a demo later this year, hopefully before summer ends but we'll see.

No one EVER replies to my music posts in these stupid threads....

>>717617442
I haven't replied to any music post, but sure whiny cunt >> (You)rself

>>717617475
To this day Im not sure if this was genuine or bait.
Im inclined to believe it was bait.

Trent Reznor, if you are lurking here please respond to my emails already, I need some cool ambiance music for my videogame.

>>717617740
didn't he outright admit it later on

>>717604321
i'm tempted to just post my youtube thing (especially since i literally just posted the vid with this + other tracks recently) but fuck that shit i'll just vocaroo it like everyone else
https://vocaroo.com/19dRNEokcNFx
did u rike it

>>717617880
Yeah, but it felt like damage control.

>>717596475 (OP)
music is easy.
graphics are hard.

I suck at playing instruments but drunk old ladies think I'm good at karaoke. Can I just deep fry my voice with various effects and hum the entire soundtrack? Maybe use AI to make it sound like instruments?

>>717615157
I often take inspiration from soundtracks I love. For this one, I drew some inspiration from this https://youtu.be/dadFQDqRJxU?si=LftdkL2635072PuZ

>>717618147
>Can I just deep fry my voice with various effects and hum the entire soundtrack?
If you know what youre doing, yeah.

>>717618147
I mean, fuck it why not
It could even be a unique selling point
Don't use AI though, just slap on a ton of different effects to achieve the sound you want

>>717597335
Fuck, I could do it cheaper
In case if I like the gaem, might even do it for free

>>717618147
you can do way more than that
https://youtu.be/jwxN8sCIOOE?feature=shared&t=48

>>717616741
Even the programming can be art at times.
Games are an interactive media, and the way you implement this interactivity can "express meaning".
Which means that even if you don't count the sound, graphics and all that as art, the game itself is art if there's intent and meaning behind the interactivity.

>>717601282
Bitwig Studio is nice and it works on Mac, Linux and Windows (and is easy to get a pirated copy too).

>>717604321
>Every single song from anons is better than anything I have ever made
It has never been more over.

>>717618750
At least you have the courage to listen.

>>717617908
>did u rike it
Yeah.

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/1mufHbKb5ufO

Made this for a Gameboy game I've been working on, it plays when you're wandering around in a city

>Tfw fraudmaxxing my games music with Beepbox

I was certain i was just gonna make the filler stuff myself to save money and hire a real musician for the important tracks but at this point i might as well go all the way.

>>717611206
>>717618529

just use Reaper lol

>>717618979
thanks bro

>>717618168
Ah yeah I can definitely hear the inspiration. Good work anon

>>717618750
You gotta start somewhere bro. I have a famicom rendition of one winged angel and heart shaped box that sound really bad that I just didn't share.

It's just a learning experience and how much time you put into it.

>>717604321

https://voca.ro/18IqD7xTtzIY - gb soundchip limitations were interesting to work with lol

https://voca.ro/16jVDOtenbEb - discarded track from a game lol

>>717618983
It sounds like just Bass, it could use an acompanying melody, otherwise is a bit too simple, even for GB standards.
>>717619331
>I have a famicom rendition of one winged angel
Post it.
>b-bu-
I am no longer asking.

>>717598112
>How do I learn how to make music? Is it possible to learn by myself online?
Yes. I did.

>>717597335
Plenty of people do this shit for free. Like me.

>>717604321
>Post your tunes anons
If I did that I would be leaving an internet trail here.

>>717612983
Yup, best thing to do is work on a game as a hobby. Make something that you want to play and at the end you'll have something you can be proud of even if you don't sell it

>>717619417
It's really grating but here
https://litter.catbox.moe/8i4mfg8fyz9v4jjw.mp3

>>717607801
just save for the 10,000 indians, those are unironically the most important

>>717615394
You listen to the Toejam and Earl soundtrack then get nasty

>>717598112
You just start doing it bro. Try and make whatever you want to. I do a different genre like every song. A good exercise is to try and recreate a song you like. You'll generally start off doing a pretty lousy job but you'll likely have something that sounds different from what you were trying to make anyway so you can take that into whatever direction you want to. Don't bother if you don't enjoy it by itself and don't delude yourself thinking you're gonna become famous or popular.

>>717619642
This is some good shit.
Gotta work on that self steem.

>>717618983
Sounds kinda ass anon

>>717619889
I mean that's the project where I learned less is more and even though it sounds accurate changing things is fine.
The amount of stuff I'd need to remove to make it less ear rapey I just gave up on it. The other song I mentioned was where I learned you do still need some substance and not just a melody.
I also do it for myself not to really show anyone or show off.

>>717604321
Here's what i actually like to make
https://voca.ro/12TFhGCyvQRM

And here's the crappy video game music everyone wants to hear
https://voca.ro/14b4j1MidsrV

>>717619642
I like the idea but those instrument choices are not it.

>>717619417
Noted

>>717620074
This is why feedback is important kek

>>717619565
you're so fucking ZASED... i kneel...

>>717620232
Well maybe its me that doesnt have a critical ear, but it doesnt sound that ear shatterting, other songs posted here fit that description better.

>he doesn't play his own music on the recorder for his game
You do still have yours, right?

>>717620638
I faked it in class, I never learned how to play

>>717620286
Goddamn these are lovely anon. Consider me jelly. Well done.

>>717620638
what about kazoo
https://litter.catbox.moe/in90abuh0fw4rvbg.mp3

>>717601939
This is great work.
>>717608131
I think I'll try making some tunes. Thanks anon.

How do I write music like Jeremy Soule or John Williams?

>>717621720
By "borrowing" . The same way everyone makes music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x7JLXsZk-w

>>717621720
>John Williams
Have rigorous classical and jazz training
Know XX century neoclassical like your own five fingers (Stravinsky, Mahler, Shostakovich, Holst)
Dedicate your life to learning orchestration
>Jeremy Soule
Learn music theory
Take a few composer courses
Learn basic orchestration

>plug in my 90s synthesizers
>open sekaiju
Yep, it's kino time.

>>717597335
>just get a mcjob that takes away your ability to work on your game so you can afford a soundtrack in MAYBE half a year of slavery bro
NEETdevs are the most oppressed class

>>717606804
>Lena Raine
>good
anon...

>>717622992
The hell are you talking about? His music is fucking great.

>>717623810
>t. Lena Raine

>>717617475
I still unironically like the pre-shittification "boss" theme, it would actually fit for a shop or menu
>check the channel
>this guy deleted some of his stuff i liked
fuck you i downloaded it already

>>717623876
I wish. I guess. Maybe it's worth it for the skills.

>>717623962
>skills
404

battle theme
https://vocaroo.com/10p7jPbmlruv
please rate

>>717612538
good stuff, sounds straight out of a Dreamcast game

>>717613008
Works on my machine. I don't live in the UK btw (thankfully)

>>717612961
good luck with your game, anon
your mom helping you is very wholesome
>anons are pure procrastinators too busy with playing vidya to make vidya
you got that right except for me playing any vidya at all

>>717609790
Ewww thirdie

>>717612961
i'm not too busy playing vidya i'm too busy thinking about making vidya to make vidya

>>717609790
>$3000
>several months' salary
pablo...

>>717624635
I'm drunk as fukk but the mixing is shit
but the tune itself can work
kinda weeby shit though but if thats what youre going for then its alright

>>717598112
>How do I learn how to make music?
unironically read pic rel
not a joke

>>717625437
the initial post is a bait nevertheless, you don't get paid that much for music unless you're a well known and respected name

>>717597335
I know a musician that managed to con a dev into HALF of everything, i.e. "you make the game I make the music, we're partners"
the game did relatively ok and he got a couple hundred G's for probably a days work all considered.

>>717625529
it is what I'm going for more or less
>mixing is shit
god fucking damn it
I have no ear for that stuff, tried to learn too. I might end up just having to bite the bullet and have someone mix my shit for me

I did this character theme last week.
https://soundcloud.com/canatgames/edels-theme-1
I have some other stuff done, but I need to convert them because I switched vsts

>>717612961
My favorite one out of these is alKhemical, I could see this being used in a game. It reminds me of a song in Omori (you know which one).

>>717625781
Typically that's the friend deal. You don't get those unless you personally know them.

>>717626158
I think I have a "friend" who wants the friend deal without actually contributing anything but ideas

>>717624635
The melody and everything is probably perfectly fine, but the instruments make it sound more amateurish than it actually is, like a midi with the default instrumentation. I'd suggest playing around with that

>>717625529
>the mixing is shit
NTA but how can one tell? Like, what issues jumped at you with anon's song?
With my stuff I just make sure I can listen to every instrument in the final mix and that nothing is too loud or too low compared to everything else, but I'm never quite sure if that's how it's supposed to sound.

>>717620286
These are both pretty nice

>>717598694
Wrong programming is a logical skill anymore can learn it
Music is the hardest part followed by art
Im terms of difficulty
A good story > music > art > programming > copying an overdone story

>>717626267
Yeah, get in line behind the other billion idea men who want to contribute nothing but their "genius" ideas and profit off of it.
Honestly we should rework creative works and add the ability to sell the idea of a painting so that you can profit off it when someone paints it.

>>717626502
I agree with your ranking.
Writing has the lowest skill floor, but also the highest ceiling. Even multi million dollar productions struggle with finding actually good writers.

>>717626939
They don't "struggle", writer is one of those nepobaby positions that is never hired based on skill (because anyone can do it) and is almost always just a way to funnel money to the chosen

That's why terrible writers always keep falling upwards

>>717626351
solid advice, thank you. I might try limiting myself and using game soundfonts

>>717604321
im not finished with it this is just a preview https://files.catbox.moe/b6uhe6.mp3

>>717626502
Well dude I dont know what to say to you, because nothing gives me more trouble quite like programming.
Art? Piece of cake, time consuming, yes, but not actually hard.
Music? Easy too, Im not Tobias Foxxington, but I can make shit thats not a sin to hear.
Story? I have a dozen of those, what matters is gameplay anyways?
But programming? I know how to spend an entire day just because I cant code for shit.

>>717627168
Funny how Toby is the go-to for vidya music when it's a case of the music being popular because of the memes rather than the other way around, his music is actually very simple and derivative

>>717627250
>Funny how Toby is the go-to for vidya music
Only because he's the most well known example of a """"solo"""" dev. Of fucking course no one's going to bring up Jeremy Soule or Jasper Kyd in conversations like this.

>>717626502
but you can play games without music

>>717627250
I just fucking love his music, and that's all that matters, simple as. You would be retarded not to think of him as a great musician and developer.

>>717627440
Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should

>>717626360
>With my stuff I just make sure I can listen to every instrument in the final mix and that nothing is too loud or too low compared to everything else
That's the goal essentially, or more specifically everything should be heard how you *want* it to be heard
The lows in particular are too low in anon's song, you almost can't hear them at all. The mids are getting drowned out by the highs and the highs don't have enough separation and blend together. It's not terribad, but it could be cleaner to listen to

>>717627168
>because I cant code for shit.
You haven't really been trying, have you
Coding is literally the simplest thing in game dev, depending on the kind of game you're making, of course.
You don't need much creativity. You can practice it and get better.

>>717627474
>You would be retarded not to think of him as a great musician
Because you "fucking love his music, and that's all that matters"? Nice argument breh

>>717604387
jesus christ i need to get into this. im an ableton chud and cant program for shit so i should just sell music to retarded furries making gay games for an easy buck i guess.

>>717627250
Simple doesn't mean bad, he's not creating symphonies but what he does make is still really solid and a good baseline imo

>>717627440
Not really, lol. I'm literally not going to play any game without music in 2k25. If the music is bad or mediocre, it makes the game feel like shit.

>>717627153
>im not finished with it
Haven't listened to it yet but do try to finish it asap, man.
Just do something simple for the ending (if that's what you're missing) even if it sounds cliché.
Don't fall for the trap of
>I'll finish it later when I get inspiration
because said inspiration 99% of the time never comes.

>>717627168
>But programming? I know how to spend an entire day just because I cant code for shit.
Depends on your scope. If you're just making simple 2D shit it's irrelevant it will always run well and be meaningless. No one will care or even notice.
They will however notice if your game runs on UE at 3 FPS.
I think that's the anons main argument in terms of difficulty. You can make functional programs that work and if it's bad no one cares. But people will immediately notice bad functional music or art.

>>717627569
Nah bro I’ve been trying, that’s the worst part. Watching hours of tutorials, scouring Stack Overflow like a starving raccoon and still getting stuck on some cursed null reference or syntax screwup that breaks everything. I get that it *should* be straightforward, but it ain’t clicking as easy as drawing or composing for me. I swear half the time the engine is just gaslighting me.

>>717627153
Pretty sick so far, though that's a lot of uninterrupted saw. You should change the sound up slightly (could probably just modulate it a little differently) after the first loop or so to keep it from getting repetitive/grating

>>717604143
Completely wrong. You can compose music without knowing how to play an instrument at all. You can be a virtuoso instrumentalist and not have a single clue about composing a song.

>>717627168
Bro, your ChatGPT?

I fucking HATE music

>>717606096
So a wumpa fruit?

>>717627727
i was sitting on this song for like 4 months but i started working on it a lot in the past few days battlefield 6 beta distracting me
>>717627858
the saw is the main melody pretty much what could I do to it do you think i dont know how much i want to change it totally

>>717627573
What other argument is there for a subjective medium like music?

>>717617859
Trent doesn't do vidya anymore since B*thesda fucked him.

>>717628063
There is none indeed, but when state things like
>You would be retarded not to think of him as a great musician
you need to come up with some kind of an objective argument otherwise you just sound like an asswipe.

>>717627787
Well, it is not straightforward when you're just starting out, but there's a relatively clear path to getting where you need to be.
I mean, I suppose this probably goes for every skill in the world, but you need practice to see patterns in how shit's "usually done" in code (i.e. patterns). I think if you concentrate on building a number of smaller project, you will gradually start feeling like you're ready for something big (after you encountered problems with syntax and logic).
The way people act on StackOverflow is (very often) fucking disgusting. Don't be afraid to ask for help from AI, but make sure to make it explain what you're doing and why, don't just copy shit blindly.
In programming, there are multiple paths you can take that get you to the same result, and it's very often ok to take one even if it's not the best; it won't have an impact on the outcome, as long as your code is maintainable.
I'm a software engineer in my day job but I wish I could compose music or draw instead.

>>717627250
>his music is actually very simple and derivative
The best vidya music always is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iof5pRAIZmw

>>717627250
Toby Fox may be a hack, but like anon said, he became very successful with his indie game, and most solodevs dream their game would become as popular as Undertale.

>>717628372
Because
>his music is actually very simple and derivative
is extremely objective, lol.

>>717628841
I didn't say that.

>>717627250
>>717627372
Toby Fucks KNEELS to ZUN

>>717598112
Start with leitmotifs. Make a basic sequence of notes to represent a certain concept of your work. You can then build it up with remixes, have it on full blast for climatic moments, or mix it with other motifs. That's why Toby Fox's music is remembered so fondly.

>>717598112
do what rappers/daftpunk do and steal/sample other artists music

>>717630504
what?

>>717597335
Imagine getting commissioned for an 8 minute ambient piece holy moly

>>717604321
I'm very late to the party, but hey. Also not really vidya music, or maybe anything is. I've been making stuff for almost a decade at this point, and I may or may not be regressing.

older stuff: https://vocaroo.com/12Kn9TVLMpSz

newer stuff: https://vocaroo.com/1nhw4YzBe5ka

>>717632213
Yeah, but this
>$100-200 per minute of music
Never happens unless you're Toby Fox

Whats the consensus on Aseprite? Is it good for 2d game art

>>717597335
>>717598112
>>717596475 (OP)
Just use suno

>>717633537
Yes, I use that shit all the time for pixel art

>>717633537
It seems like it could be a very useful tool for making spritesheets, but its tendency to crash and the way it handles layers and copy/pasting was so fucking needlessly annoying that I stopped using it

>>717604321
okay heres something old
https://vocaroo.com/15ZJoP6rAUiM

>>717604321
posting mine, I think it could fit well in a "forest town area" in a rpg.
https://vocaroo.com/1lDohAOqBKuo

>>717596475 (OP)
I learnt to draw.... I learnt pixel art... I'm learning to code...
If I can learn all of those things then you KNOW I can learn music too! doesn't need to be toby fox levels of music just good enough music so it's not silent all the time!!!

>>717633537
It's basically the standard for pixel art, if you don't want to compile or buy it you could download LibreSprite, which is an older fork of it.

>>717633537
It's okay but basic editors like Paint.NET can be more practical even for 2D art.

>>717635925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukdxF8XgewI
are you sure

>>717636218
If you only ever use the pencil to place down single pixels then there's no difference but even in the olden days that wasn't the only way artists made pixel art, they used advanced photo manipulation and drawing software.
Also don't forget you can just copy stuff out of other editors into Aseprite for animating for example.

>>717627787
acquire "the c++ programming language 4th edition" by bjarne stroustrup and type every single code example into godbolt.org, set every single clang warning on with -Weverything and you'll never be confused again

>>717597335
>$100-200 per minute
Real talk, how much would it cost to just license a song from some indie label or something?

>>717625594
Respected names take more than that, complete literal whos only a bit less before they get a portfolio, settle into the mid-tier bracket and start charging sensible numbers. Don't let e-beggars warp your picture.

What's the best starting point for an autistic retard who wants to make a turn based RPG?

>>717638874
Start by learning Rust and purchasing programming socks off Amazon.

>>717638874
Think of a better game idea

Has any indie dev considered making their game without any music whatsoever?

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/19NGZJejIxWM
Eh I'm not a music guy at all but I do enjoy making songs once in a blue moon

https://vocaroo.com/19dNcxldTpaf

Way late to the party but this was the last one I worked on. I love making game music but I just procrastinate too much, need to get on a routine.

>>717638874
RPG Maker

As a jack of all trades, music is the only area I haven't dipped deeper than toe.
Could probably do some short loops very easily if I really looked into it.
I've tried FL like 2 decades ago, never got into it.

>>717612102
I'm too autistic about my game to have this mindset. I want every part of the experience to really communicate what I'm going for on every level as best as I can, and I'm absolutely going to be anal about every little detail. This game is important to me, I'm not going to half-ass it for the sake of "just getting it done".

>>717604321
https://vocaroo.com/1cDD41vLmS5X
(main theme)

https://vocaroo.com/1jyc5yyKaNwF
(character theme)

https://voca.ro/13cOpIxpidMM
(Horror theme)

https://voca.ro/1jqSplV45F22
(Battle theme)

>>717598312
It's like writing with your ear.

>>717601008
Have you considered hiring a random french guitar instructor?

>>717604176
>EVERYTHING
Anon there are a finite amount of frequencies within the range of human hearing. Music theory is just a very very watered down branch of math. It's not that complex. You could easily learn everything about music theory in under a decade, well well below putting in 10k hours. Just learning theory isn't very helpful on its own. It cannot make up for having garbage taste.

How do I start my indie videogame music career?
I've several songs on my hard drive but I haven't pusblished anything?
How do I even advertise myself I have no connections, no experience and no social media big enough to make myself stand out fro mthe rest?

I'll make your music
https://voca.ro/1l8fOo9FWkGi

>>717647150
Find devs who need music. Link your SoundCloud.

>>717647214
Damn this is smooth.

>>717647150
What do you do? People hate hearing this but 8-bit bleep bloops are not as impressive as recording your own material.

>>717647431
>>717647150
I mainly do alternative rock/metal plus dark ambience with a little bit of orchestral.

>>717646523
It's good to have passion, but it's also good to be reasonable about your scope and abilities. Get too autistic and you'll just end up with another Bob's Game on your hands. Saying this to myself too, I just had to make a huge change in the visual design of my game, because it would have just been too damn expensive. It doesn't mean I'm going to phone in the visual element of the game, but it does mean that I have to work within limitations. (My original plan was to have fully animated scenes made in the style of 1800s sketch art, but with the amount of characters my game has, just having RPG style portraits/VN style slideshow art with parallax was what I had to settle on.) And hell, Slay the Princess did that and it sold great. People don't mind a slideshow if the story's good in an adventure game/VN.

>>717625437
I'm in a group house in an australian city and my rent is $650~ a month

>>717613152
I'm a fucking musician and I'd legit love to know who your friend is working for, and how I can get in contact with them. Because I've worked on several professional projects as an audio engineer and composer (none of which I'll name) and never got paid that amount. Nor are my rates anywhere near that high for those interested. Musicians in this industry get paid absolute fucking shit, dude.

>>717604321
https://voca.ro/1fO5nIP9im6A
Something i made for competition a while back.

>>717612538
Dude that was awesome

>>717646523
It's just smarter to save that effort for the things that really matter, instead of wasting several hours on drawing the "perfect rock" that "communicates what you're going for". People who play the game aren't going to care if you've used someone else's sound effects or tree bark texture

>>717601939
would you do some music for a sex animation?

>>717608520
My pirate FL studio license crack thing isn't working

>>717612538
WTF this is amazing. Do you have a soundcloud or something?

>>717652473
When in doubt, try the thread on cs rin ru

>>717602063
>Its easy as fuck. I can do it and I never understood programming
Music has a lot of natural talent behind it. Programming has an IQ requirement and a learning cliff behind it. If you're not born with musical talent then no amount of hard work is ever going to let you be good at it.

>>717598564
Cute amazon

>>717646523
I think I read an anecdote about Shigeru Miyamoto once, he was saying that as the team worked on the game for 1-2 years, they would lose sight of the "bigger picture" and start believing that every single part of the game mattered equally and required an equal amount of time and effort. When that happened he would give them a month off or something, so they can come back to the project with fresh eyes and see that some parts aren't really relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Consider this painting, the people in the background aren't drawn with as much detail as the Jester, they're slightly "smudged" or "blurry". The jester is the centerpiece, and putting less detail in the background actually helps frame him better.

Of course what's "important to you" can be different from someone else, and I think focusing only on the relevant parts to you can help shape your identity as an artist. For most video games maybe the water in the background isn't that important so they choose a cheap water texture and call it a day, while for you maybe it's very important so you make all your water look impeccable. (At the cost of something else.) People in time will notice that you're a water guy who pours a lot of love into his water and not crummy pokemon creatures.

>>717647150
I am currently searching for a musician for my game. I search by looking for more "expensive" and "renowned" musicians on twitter and soundcloud (that I could never afford) and checking out their follows/followers for other musicians with a lot less followers than them. Usually they have the same "style" of music but slightly more amateurish and cheaper. Both soundcloud and twitter also offer a "People you should be following" list based on my likes/follows and I check those daily as well until I find someone who matches my vibe and budget.

So my advice would be to put your music up somewhere, on soundcloud or twitter or whatever, and follow other musicians in your style.

>>717596475 (OP)
>exists to recreate retro-tuned tracks
>can be used to compose synthwave, d'n'b, etc tracks
anyone try and figure this shit out?

Just use AI music lol

>>717601939
good stuff. working on a fetish smut VN at the moment and the parts between the lewd stuff is going to be moody and dark. i was hoping to also do the music myself, but throughout all the years, whenever i tried to do music, it always turned into absolute trash

>>717627882
>You can compose music without knowing how to play an instrument at all
You can, theoretically. But it would be much more difficult to learn.
>you can be a virtuoso instrumentalist and not have a single clue about composing a song
Not really. Maybe in theory it's possible, but in reality you will always practice scales, improvisation and will experiment, fuck around and see what works and what doesn't as you're learning an instrument. Without a shadow of a doubt you have better chances getting good at composing if you learn an instrument.

>>717596475 (OP)
>learn like 5 chords
>play them wrong and off tempo
>quantize
>delete the mistakes
>profit.
it's just that easy