Thread 718107890

Why are Mecha games s obad?

>>718107890 (OP)
Because the mecha genre (especially ones like Gundam) have fundamentally flawed messaging and if you put that into a video game it becomes that much more obvious.

>>718108439
Gundam doesn't even keep the same messaging between it's AUs. Different stories with different themes.

>>718108675
I dunno about that - Gundam is pretty consistent with its surface level "war is bad" commentary. The issue is that even in the shows, the war is won by the side that is most capable of administering violence. Might is making right, while they lament might making right.

>>718107890 (OP)
srw is good though
>>718108439
I don’t understand this idea that gundam has “war le bad” as it’s central messaging
if anything, the message is that war is inevitable given human nature and hope shines brightest during the darkest days

>>718109381
untrue, they lose in every gundam installment. in 0079, their victory is responsible for creating the Titans and war perpetually continues

In IBO and Wing, they lose against the antagonist faction despite having better weaponry. In Seed, there was a temporary trace that was immediately broken after Destiny ep 1.

>>718107890 (OP)
A good mecha or Gundam game would be obscenely powerful, and sexual, and the youth of today would probably not understand it.

srw y in two weeks bros

>>718108439
I always hate how people chop up Gundam to being "WAR IS BAD". It's obviously terrible as depicted in the original 79' anime, but it's wayyyyy more than that. It's more of a tale about hardships shaping people, and how those experiences greatly alter a person (sometimes better, sometimes for the worse). Hell the "WAR IS BAD" is hammered into your head so many times that it makes me think this image was made in jest or just a angry fan who subscribed to the "Unlike other mechs, our show focuses on the characters." The flashy animation and fights are a bonus. You can have your cake and eat it too. Infact Gundam is one of the few franchises that actually straddles the line fairly between being a spectacle and delivering a strong message.

>>718107890 (OP)
>Why are Gundam games so bad*
ftfy

>>718107890 (OP)
they feel dated relative to shooters, simulation, and RPG games
>no destruction
>no simulation elements
>no choices
>no s

Even if it was a hero shooter, I miss Gundam Evolution..

>>718107890 (OP)
Because most Gundam are shit with a few mediocre outliers

>>718107890 (OP)
Because normalfags hate complex controls and systems and just wanna play shooters. So most mecha games are just glorified shooters

There are plenty of good ones, but mecha is too niche is ever get mainstream appeal outside of a few standouts (that usually get attention for some other quality and mecha is just coincidental)

>>718110536
>There are plenty of good ones, but mecha is too niche is ever get mainstream appeal outside of a few standouts (that usually get attention for some other quality and mecha is just coincidental)
less niche than fighting games and that genre is still alive

Issue with mecha games is it's a specific genre that lives and dies based off of two factors.
>movement
>dog fighting
What type of mech game are you making? Is it grounded or boosting everywhere? Is there transforming? Are there upgrades? Customization? What's the story gonna be like? Western or Eastern art style? I think with this genre there is a lot of factors at play when considering a good one versus other genres that allow simpler design choice philosophy.

>Armored Core mecha building but its Gundam Wing
So Why can't they give us this again? Namco and From have a great relationship so why the hell don't they just get From to do it?

>>718110658
mecha is not a genre like fighting games though. It is a theme that can be applied to nearly any game genre, including fighting games.

>>718110940
FROM made a Gundam game already. It was not very good.

>>718107890 (OP)
>>718110345
It was great. Exia, at least before it got nerfed into the ground, was the most fun I ever had in a pvp fps. Zaku R is almost as fun. Dynamo is the best sniper character.

>>718111150
From is not the same company they were back during those days. They are a far greater company at this point and they can almost certainly make a good Gundam game now.

>>718111150
That game hardly resembles any of the AC games.

>>718110219
>play during network test
>region lock works, everyone can play normally
>release the game
>region lock is gone, constantly put into lobbies with japs/chinks who you lose connection to
>everyone gets banned for a week for leaving matches, game's dead

>>718107890 (OP)
>mechwarrior
>armored core
>zone of the enders
>custom robo
Got all we need right there

>>718111372
The world of Gundam does not move or feel like AC. They did what they were allowed to do with the license.

>>718111389
Forgot to mention, from what I heard from other anons
>clan matchmaking is so fucked they eventually disable it on PC completely
>PC players can't play clan matches which are one of the few ways a F2P can earn gacha pulls

>>718111469
You forgot Bangai-O

>>718111520
Exactly, they tried to make a Gundam game that mostly adheres to the universe's logic and it has no resemblance to anything.
>>718111572
They didn't disable clan matches, they disabled earning tokens from it because cheaters could cheat in Clan EXP to get token rewards per clan level. The main incentive to be in a clan at all is removed but you can still play clan matches for rewards like clan suits and DP. The console version can still earn their tokens like normal btw.

>>718107890 (OP)
Because every day we stray further from god's design.

Because mecha is a genre that requires good gameplay and control design, which a lot of devs fail at, and mecha fans have gaslit themselves into thinking bad controls = MUH WEIGHT AND SKILL!!!!!

If you look at the best rated and most well sold mecha games ever you'll see that all of them have good controls and combat, even if they're weighty. People love Titanfall 2 mechs and they're both weighty but also control well.

The issue is that a shitload of japanese devs (which are the ones that usually make mecha action games for some fucking reason (the west is retarded)) can't into action games and shooters so most mecha games that come out fucking suck.

And FUCK mechwarrior.

>>718109381
> the war is won by the side that is most capable of administering violence
Is this not how most wars irl are won? What do you want them to win with, love?

>>718109742
>I don’t understand this idea that gundam has “war le bad”
It's the surface level plot of basically every single Gundam show, what are you talking about?
You're correct that there's always a theme about the inevitability of war, but any character that is presented as enjoying it is presented as "the bad guy."

>>718109853
>they lose in every gundam installment
The stronger side never loses in a Gundam show. The winners are, by their nature as the winners, stronger than the losers.

>>718110169
I'm not reducing Gundam to that, but it is a central theme in the franchise. The protagonists are nearly always engaging in warfare to escape war. If I were to list Gundam shows that are NOT about this, it's be a short list than listing shows that are about this.

>>718112353
I don't want anything, I'm calling attention to the naivety of the notion. I'm currently rewatching Wing so it's the foremost one in my mind at the moment, but it's incredibly frustrating listening to ever main character saying 'war is so bad, space doesn't need weapons, peace is so good" while at the same time they all engage in massive acts of violence to enforce their worldviews on others. "The Peacecrafts believe in total pacifism, but the people who LIKE the Peacecrafts are basically colony-dropping terrorists on a galactic scale." Wing is aware of the inherent contradiction and calls it out, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating to listen to.

>>718112353
THE SIDE THAT IS MOST CAPABLE OF ADMINISTERING VIOLENCE IS ALSO THE ONE WITH MORE LOVE. ALL WAR IS LOVE POWERED.

>>718112226
>People love Titanfall 2 mechs

>>718112226
What you posted would only be possible in the older Armored Core games with hanging the default energy setting. In the eyes of the online community it was frowned upon and considered a Easy mode. It was even fairly hid in the settings.


>>718107890 (OP)
Most mecha games I've seen were just reskins of other bad games so I'd say poor I.P. management. The main reason they suck is that people buy shit. Some are awesome though like Virtual-On. Mech controls don't lend themselves to stock controllers and keyboards.

>>718107890 (OP)
I just want a higher budget 戦場の絆

>>718107890 (OP)
SEA can't code very well.

>>718112641
So are you saying war is good?

Of course war and violence are bad. But when a bad actor uses violence, the only answer is violence.

It's like the stupid /co/ batman shit
>murdering a murderer does not change the number of murderers in the world.

Except if you murder all the murderers, then stop murdering, it reduces the number to zero. The point being that there will ALWAYS be some asshole who wants to hurt others to get his way, and must be answered with greater force, but if we could get rid of all the instigators, there would be no need for further violence.

I want you to take notice that ALL heroes in fiction are reactionary and not proactive in their use of force and violence, including in Gundam. The bad guys are not the guys who FIGHT war, but the guys who START war.

>>718112641
>but any character that is presented as enjoying it is presented as "the bad guy."
Yes Judge Holden, If you really enjoy war in reality you are a bad guy.

>>718112641
It also has the theme of struggle making them stronger people.

In the og 0079 it is pretty frank that there are heros and villians on all sides. War bad is a shitty take cause it implies that struggle is useless, while people have both legitament and illegitament reasons for fighting. its the reason for fighting, not fighting itself that is le bad.

bkz it`s shit

>>718110219
>shutdowns SDGO
It's been so many years and I'm still seething about it

>>718112927
Worked just fine on DC, 360 and PS4 controllers though. Twin Sticks are retardedly overhyped, they are just a gimmick and are less intuitive than a standard controller.

>>718113157
it did not

>>718108439
wrong pic

>>718113112
>The highschool drama of three /m/ clans
I should've bought bitcoin when one of them brought up that they bought a dozen AMD cards with it before the first crash.

>>718113220
Nigcel I had VOOM on Saturn (with twin sticks), VOOT on DC, MARZ on PS2, VOOT and FORCE on 360, and the MP Collection on PS4. I know what the fuck I'm talking about and could whoop your candy ass in any of them on controller.

Because mechwarrior ruined mecha in the west and Gundam SEED ruined mecha in the east

>>718113392
>Gundam SEED ruined mecha in the east
???
All Seed did was take advantage of fads that were popular at the time.

>>718113392
None of that has had a worse impact on mecha than Eva did worldwide

>>718107890 (OP)
japs cant into action (excluding action rpg) games.

>>718113379
>Saturn owner
>mentally retarded asshole
Well your story checks out at least

>>718113740
>has no response
That's what I thought, keep your bandwagon-riding parrot beak shut

>>718113071
I wouldn't say that. Most of the men that have gone to war did so for glory. Very few were nuanced in this take. I agree with your point that one of Gundam's key themes is "war is inevitable," but I also think a consistent theme is, as is true for any given male fantasy, amazement for courage and bravado, albeit framed from the perspective of being empowered by a technological juggernaut. At the end of the day, most of us became entranced by Gundam at the thought of being a mere man elevated to power beyond belief by means of piloting a weapon of destruction.

At his core, every man knows that war is bad, but desires it anyway. On his terms, at least.

>>718113804
Ah yes the oh so trendy playing Virtual On with a device that has all of the inputs of the original game and is even vaguely ergonomically designed to use them bandwagon

>>718113925
Going to war and killing for glory makes you a bad person buddy. I got entranced by Gundam because I like toys and models not because I'm a retard who fantasized about being Rambo in space.

>>718107890 (OP)
They need a good director like Zone of Enders the 2nd runner

>>718114127
>Going to war and killing for glory makes you a bad person buddy
Why?

>>718113491
>>718113604
Mechwarrior became the most known mecha sterotype in the west which is chicken walkers that walk slowly and shoot bullshit.
Gundam SEED popularized the attack helicopter fighter jet in space that moves at lightspeed and is a glorified shoot'em up ship that fires a billion missiles.

Both lend themselves to very samey action coreography that doesn't make for cool videogames. And because game developers have a 10 in 11 chance of being uncreative pieces of shit, they become even worse.

>>718114183
Killing other peasants who you have no personal beef with leads directly to the enrichment of the Jewish banker/ruling class and funds your own oppression as well as the oppression of everyone else in your class across the world.

And if you claim to not be a peasant, then you are not fighting in wars period, in which case you defeat your own argument.

>>718114183
You gotta ask then you are already too far gone I'm afraid. Plenty of good reasons to kill but glory isn't one of them, it's not the 14th century anymore pal.

>>718114337
>Mechwarrior became the most known mecha sterotype in the west which is chicken walkers that walk slowly and shoot bullshit.
That came from Star Wars, buddy. Nobody knows wtf mechwarrior is outside of turbonerds.

>>718114351
>Killing other peasants who you have no personal beef with leads directly to the enrichment of the Jewish banker/ruling class and funds your own oppression as well as the oppression of everyone else in your class across the world.
So in your eyes going to war and killing for glory to destroy Jewish bankers would be bad? I'm confused.

>And if you claim to not be a peasant, then you are not fighting in wars period, in which case you defeat your own argument.
The absolute greatest rulers in human history all fought in wars.

>>718114337
>Gundam SEED invented Macross
I really shouldn't expect to see anything but the dumbest shit ever written on 4chan

>>718107890 (OP)
Why do you keep spamming this thread? There are plenty of good mecha games.

>>718114449
>So in your eyes going to war and killing for glory to destroy Jewish bankers would be bad? I'm confused.
That war has never happened, and never will. All wars are bankers' wars, because only they have the capital and leverage to mobilize violence on the scale of war. Every war in history has been jewish cousins smashing their toy peasants together then scooping up the leftover property, real estate and money into each others' piles.

>The absolute greatest rulers in human history all fought in wars.
Lies and propaganda. There is zero chance any of them risked their own lives on the front lines because there would be zero reason to do it. Even to make an appearance to motivate troops would require nothing but a peasant in disguise.

>>718114605
Looking for reccs, like all bait threads

>>718114787
>That war has never happened, and never will.
So again, aside from the fact that you're completely delusional, if the war WERE towards teh Jewish bankers in question you would be fine with it. So you're not against war.

>Lies and propaganda. There is zero chance any of them risked their own lives on the front lines
You have literally never read anything about history, I am talking to a child or an idiot. Oh well, bye now

Because they play like games made in 1 year. I think every person who has played video games has played at least one gundam game in their life. Then they realized they all are so absolutely cheap and have 0 depth (in gameplay) that they just never bother again.

>>718114449
>So in your eyes going to war and killing for glory to destroy Jewish bankers would be bad?
Yes? Killing for "glory" is sociopathic behavior. Killing to free yourself from oppression and tyranny is one thing, but to kill for the fun of it is depraved. Like putting down a sick animal, it is a necessary unpleasantness, not to be a thrill.

why and how Is the Marasai such a beast of a mobile suit? and for that matter how is it that the Gabthley is almost as broken?

>>718114932
trvke

>>718114380
>You gotta ask then you are already too far gone I'm afraid
Translation: "I don't have an answer and I am not smart enough to tell you why." Go and ask ChatGPT, maybe it can help you

I play that roblox gundam game

>>718114920
>You have literally never read anything about history
You literally have zero critical thinking skills, you simply repeat anything fed to you by an authority figure no matter how absurd and illogical it is on the face of it.

>>718115023
>Yes? Killing for "glory" is sociopathic behavior.
How is that sociopathic behavior? Be specific

>>718115124
killing for anything but self defense is sociopathy.

>>718115101
You did not deny what I said, I am going to take that as a concession. Goodbye anon, please bother to learn something beyond "Jews are bad"

>>718112353
We need to beat the enemy with J-pop and weerabo bishies like Macross.

EXVS2 port waiting room

>>718115182
That does not fit the definition of sociopathy whatsoever, it sounds like you are just using charged words because you are emotional.

>>718114853
Sure but anon has been posting this thread for months now. I guess he got tired of begging for another Evangelion game so now its just "all mecha games are bad" over and over. Kinda tiring. I'll just stay out of the threads and let the jeets fight I guess.

>>718115183
Please keep memorizing and repeating bald-faced absurdities you think are "history" :)

>>718115182
What about food? Unless this is just human killing.

>>718115236
>That does not fit the definition of sociopathy whatsoever

> lack of empathy, disregard for social norms, and manipulative behavior. People with sociopathy may engage in harmful actions without feeling remorse

It absolutely does. Educate yourself.

Fact: the reason why mech games suck is because they are backward and outdated compared to other vehicle sims. Most are still using arcade-style HP systems when the mech is a glorified FPS/TPS character while flight sims new simulate individual modules as do tank and ship sims.

>>718115186
Funnily Macross depicts the anti-war fags who are protesting fighting against a genocidal regieme as little more than selfish quislings and apologists.

>>718110536
Is phantom crash better than SLAI? I tried playing the latter and got real fuckin sick of the obscenely high repair costs and rankers sniping me through optic camo

>>718115492
Sim games are not in any better state than mecha games though?

>>718115492
Mechwarrior 2 did that before the engine DCS uses was made anon. Don't look that up, its pretty close at least.

>>718115396
Give me an example of one of your bold-faced absurdidies

>>718108675
>Different stories with different themes.
Suisei no Majo had the core of a really cool plot based around transhumanism and corporate control of essential services and stuff but totally squandered it by focusing on high-school drama. Such a shame.

>>718115660
It's a little less complex, but SLAI as I understand is meant to be a stock market simulator as much as a mecha action game. If you're not making money in the stock market you're fucking up.

>>718115473
None of killing for glory involves lack of empathy. You can perfectly understand someone and still want to kill them. With regards to social norms, there have been many functional societies throughout history that were just fine with killing for glory. Nothing about the behavior is remotely manipulative, it is quite transparent. You can have remorse while killing for glory too. So in essence, you are just concluding that going to war for glory is plainly sociopathic simply because that is the strongest word you can use to disparage someone, even though it is not apt i this case.

>>718115492
That kinda hurts mechs with no major integrated weaponry. If your gun arm is out, you're a goner.
Sure, melee could be an option, but you don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

>>718115874
I mean, isn't that the same for every combat vehicle? I'm sure the system can be arranged in a way where that doesn't happen too easily.

I would rate IBO near the bottom of all the AU series

>>718109381
>its surface level "war is bad" commentary
Gundam is one of the few franchise that go deeper than the surface.

Maybe you only watched Gwitch or IBO, but almost everything else has a complete take on war.

>>718115492
the current state of combat flight sims and how poorly managed they all are makes me want to nuke the muscovites who develop them

>>718115874
Well then of course every mecha should have integrated weaponry instead, right? Arms are kinda useless on a vehicle.
As a matter of fact, legs would be a big liability since if one goes, the whole vehicle is crippled, and a leg cannot be replaced as easily as a caterpillar track, as you cannot even believable carry spare legs in the first place.

If we try to take MECHA down the Simulator path, we end up with tanks.

which protag /v/?
heard they're all pretty different, but since this is a niche ps2 game known purely for its bad voice acting, i have no information beyond the manual itself, and that seems to be mistranslated.

>>718107890 (OP)
Two reasons:
1: Controls dont emulate the feel of piloting a mech. They feel like any other shooter or action game

2:Scale never translates. Walking down a city street with sky scrappers on your left and right feels no different than walking down a hallway. I dont feel like im in a giant mech, i feel like im any other cyborg character. I might as well be Raiden from MGSRR, makes no difference. Only game that captures the scale of mechs is Titan Fall 2, because you have to doge them, climb them as and use guarilla tactics to subdue them.

>>718116162
Guy on the left has the worst VA so...him.

>>718115874
Don't all soldiers do that just in case?

>>718116185
>Only game that captures the scale of mechs is Titan Fall 2
Nigga you posted a Steel Battalion picture right next to this lie of a statement.

>>718115874
Wouldn't be a problem if you could reorient your mech more reliably. Silent Line and Last Raven, the games where what you described apply, had no way of doing so, and the part destruction system never returned in later Armored Core games.

>>718116279
It isnt a lie.
It captures the controls of a mech, it doesnt capture the scale.

>>718116185
I don't give a flying fuck about scale, giant robots don't need to be any bigger than necessary to fit a cockpit in.

See, this is why I prefer intellectual properties that celebrate war, like Armored Core V!
I mean, it's more of a celebration of the indomitable human spirit, but hey.

You have one side who want a game about controlling a giant robot to be fast, fluid, and basically control exactly like a 50ft tall Raiden doing ninja flips and ignoring all laws of physics

Then the other side who want World of Tanks autism simulator with legs (for some reason)

Anything in the middle makes both of them mad, and there are not enough of either audience to justify making anything catered just to them.

So we get no mecha games until every decade or so someone makes something in the middle again, piss both sides off, then another decade of nothing.

>>718116561
eh, the human spirit is pretty domitable.

>>718110219
Works on my machine

>>718116357
SB captures both the scale and the controls, are you fucking retarded?

>>718116483
Then its a subjective taste, but the mech games ive played, it feels like im kicking over boxes painted like buuldings. I dont feel any bigger. The scales of mechs only become apparent when youre a human hunting them. I dont feel the scale in the cockpit. Wish i had a better way to describe it.

>>718112226
This level pissed me off because all the buildings are destructible, but you can’t destroy them only the worm can. I want to destroy everything in sight if I’m in a mech war machine

>>718116561
And don't forget the rich people genocide ending of its previous generation!

>>718116845
Sounds like you have autism then.

>>718116680
What im saying is, when you increase your size, the buildings start to become nothing more than walls, or boxes. The weighted movement helps, but the size of things surrounding feel like nothing. I suppose youre getting the feeling, but im not. Wish i could, but i dont feel it. Again, walking down a city street i may as well be qalking through the back of a warwhouse. Titanfall 2 seemed to capture the vibe for me with having to watch out for players on rooftops and in windows.

>>718117059
I hate phoneposting. Its fucking up my typing. Anyways, ive made my point.

>>718117059
Sounds like you have never been on a large vehicle irl before

>>718115784
I was absolutely abusing the stock market for all it's worth. Problem is that sucks and is boring since you have to piss around with trading the two (2) stock options present one at a time and waiting for ages.
It also doesn't fix the aforementioned problem of ranked pilots ignoring your optic camo. Sucks extra hard if you get shot in the ass since you functionally die instantly

>>718117186
Have you?

>>718116917
Maybe, but i also think you dont get what im saying due to your own place on the spectrum.
>>718117186
I have. Thats what im comparing it too, and these games are not capturing that. Likely due to being confined to a tv.

Its like, a phone close to your face has the same scale as a big screen tv ypure watching on a couch, it feels different because the space your in. Same for a theatre. It feels different due to literal physical scaling.

>>718116617
>Wanting to play AS the mech
vs
>Wanting to play as a dude controlling a mech

>>718113038
Honest answer? Yes. I believe more good comes from war than from peace. No one wants to be the person dying, but everyone wants to take the stuff that the other guy has. Civilized humanity has been instructed for the past half-century that "violence doesn't solve anything" but this is obvious bullshit. Violence solves everything.
>violence is good but to be the first to use it is bad
This is a much more honest outlook and I can agree with it.

>>718113079
0079 certainly has romantic heroes on both sides but it absolutely hits you over the head with the 'war is horrible" stick.

>>718115996
I actually haven't seen either of those yet. I am also not claiming that it doesn't have a more complete take on war, but it can't be denied that the surface-level statement is "war is bad" more often than not.

>>718117348
So just stick your face on the screen when playing.

>>718116185
I never did get to buy this, I think I want to get it. Only problem is I'll have to get an Xbox as well to play the game. I can't believe there was never a spiritual successor, I would buy a new controller with new game for like $300 in a second.

>>718116917
>>718117186
You guys are dumb, he is actually speaking of a very real thing game devs have talked about. He doesnt have the term.

Scale of collapse.

“Scale collapse” is basically what happens when the perceived size of the world stops matching the intended size because your brain has lost enough real-world reference points to keep the illusion alive.

>>718110169
I've been saying this. "gundam is a show about how war is bad" is like the most childish, captain planet level takeaway from gundam. It's reducing it to the barest nub of its meaning like it's fucking sonic sez and not a space epic.

>>718117561
>I believe more good comes from war than from peace
This cannot be true since every war in history has only ever benefited the 1% at the top, win or lose. The rest of the population has NEVER gained anything from victory in war. The ruling class take all the stuff, including the raised taxes, legal rights and many times confiscated / commandeered property from their own population who "won".

Take the Civil War for example. The South "lost" and the North "won", but what did anyone in the North gain for it? The top 1% industrialists became even richer by taking over a whole new economic territory. Joe Schmoe who fought and survived for them got nothing. He didn't get any spoils, he wasn't awarded any land or loot. He got to go back home and hopefully he wasn't too maimed to go back to slaving away in his rulers' factory.

What did the leaders of the South "lose"? Nothing, they were PAID for their loss of slaves and kept their holdings otherwise, skated entirely afterward. The rest of the population lost everything.

>>718117717
>because your brain has lost enough real-world reference points to keep the illusion alive.
PEBUAK.

>>718116118
Simulator =/= realism. Battletech has a billion handwaves to excuse why mechs are used, a simulator of it shouldn't make them suddenly suck and all those handwaves blow into spacedust.
Same for gundam or votoms or whatever else.

>>718108439
>humanity le bad, they never le learn, repeating cycles of war aaaaaah!
SD goofiness will always be superior for that reason

>>718117920
If you address this issue of the user not being fooled by the games illusion, you can then make better more immersive games. Saving the genre.

But if you want to dunk on autists, then go right ahead and deal with your dead genre, you fucking moron.

>>718118132
Mecha is not a genre, retard.

>>718116617
>You have one side who want a game about controlling a giant robot to be fast, fluid, and basically control exactly like a 50ft tall Raiden doing ninja flips and ignoring all laws of physics
This side is way, way bigger than the other side, and it's always closer to how mechs are presented in animation and novels. They're supposed to be at least somewhat fast and fluid, it's the point of controlling a giant with limbs. People who just want them to be tanks just want fantasy tanks and don't really like mecha.

In fact you can go pretty far with critiquing that, people even in this thread are crying "it's just a shooter!", have you seen how mechs move? They move like a shooter. The gundam leaps and dodges and then shoots a guy. A game based on that shouldn't be about awkwardly stumbling about trying to point in the correct direction so you can fire while A posing at them.

>>718118150
Semantics, you got the jist. Eat a dick.

>>718118132
simniggers need to be killed

>>718118132
>better
>more immersive
Pick one

>>718113925
>Most of the men that have gone to war did so for glory

utterly, completely incorrect. Most men who have gone to war did so because they had to or felt they had to.

>>718118330
>utterly, completely incorrect. Most men who have gone to war did so because they had to or felt they had to.
Of course. They felt like they had to, because their cultures valued the glory of war. They still almost categorically went to war for glory.

why do mech games always have mercenaries? Mercs can't buy, and maintain giant robots

>>718108439
The original staff literally said "war bad" was never the message. And it's pretty self explanatory. Zeon is unambiguously evil. The take away is that good people can do extremely wicked things, and you still have to kill them for it.

>>718118567
Cause it's more fun when the player gets to choose where to go and who to fight for and you can put a big skull on your mech, and no one tells you that flamethrowers "aren't regulation".

>>718116617
Fuck man, a d thats what i want. That goldielocks zone.
Titanfall 2 still has players 10 years later.

Anyways, im playing that and front mission 3 right now. Love mechs in a tactical zone. Like Gundam 08th MS team.

What's a fun mech game
What's a fun mech anime with a lot of gore and despair

>>718109381
>the war is won by the side that is most capable of administering violence
Zeon didn't won, though?

>>718118789
Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam
Zeta Gundam

>>718118796
>didn't won
buenas dias, puts madre
also, late UC including Turn A and G no Reconguista proved Zeon won in the long run

>>718118796
The feds had the Gundam on their side.

>>718110345
I'll always miss Gundam Evolution. I was genuinely as addicted to that shit of piece game since I hadn't been addicted to a multiplayer since 2016 Overwatch

>>718118796
That's because Amuro was the most capable of administering violence.

>>718118416
>They felt like they had to, because their cultures valued the glory of war
No, it was usually because they would starve otherwise (controlled famines were used for this purpose) or they would be imprisoned or killed by their own rulers if they didn't.

i know it ain't Mecha anymore, but toughts on Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion?

>>718118567
Because nationalism bad >:(
Stateless corporate rogues good :)

>>718119049
>No, it was usually because they would starve otherwise (controlled famines were used for this purpose)
completely false, where the fuck are you getting this from?

>or they would be imprisoned or killed by their own rulers if they didn't.
taken by your above account I am going to guess that you have never read a single historical account in your life that precedes at the very latest the advent of nationalism, and that's being generous. How exactly do you think most men were gathered to join any military force throughout the vast majority of military history? Be specific.

Mecha is a boomer genre

shut up nerds

>>718119330
I'll shove you in a trashcan, wannabe jock

>>718119285
>where the fuck are you getting this from?
History, nigger. Read some. Except you'll have to put 2 and 2 together yourself when reading it, which you are clearly incapable of.

>How exactly do you think most men were gathered to join any military force throughout the vast majority of military history?
Conscription. You watch too many fucking hollywood movies.

I'm working on a mecha game (early stages) but I'm still designing the movements. Suggestions?

>>718119563
make it fun

>>718119145
>Stateless corporate rogues good :)
One of the biggest bastards in the entire franchise is a war profiteering merc.

>MBON is literally freaking perfect, just needs a small minor balance tweak
>bamco doing bamco things completely FUCKS the balance and keeps the sequels arcade only.
alright then

Anyways, any good isekai mecha?

>>718119509
>History, nigger. Read some. Except you'll have to put 2 and 2 together yourself when reading it, which you are clearly incapable of.
Okay, list some examples of this history.

>Conscription. You watch too many fucking hollywood movies.
Elaborate, what do you mean by conscription? Stop being vague, you're simply showing you have no concept of what you're talking about.

The only thing I hate about mecha games now a days, it's always you're just some everyday soldier mercenary guy stuck in a political war. I WANT MY TRAUMATIZED TEENS WTF, why do hardly any mecha games have the whole coming of age plot? It's just durr muh resources durr muh politics. holy shit fuck off with this shit. i mean you could have it but it needs to be a backdrop of the whole adults ruining the future with dumb shit.

>>718119593
Who was fighting against the "good guy" totally altruistic honorable stateless corporate secret-banker-financed mercs.

I've been watching SEED and it's pretty good.

>>718119587
fuck

>>718119609
I'd still be playing MBON if the last dregs of the european community didn't all move to emulated exvs2

>>718119706
Decades of people bitching about teenagers being unrealistic and wanting le gritty grunt goon jarhead nobody fighting against the eeeevil super robot with team tactics

>>718119706
Video games came in vogue when mecha was already past its peak, knee-deep in the "real robot" era of grit and edge.

>>718119796
>all move to emulated exvs2
I have a hard time believing that many Euros have a rig powerful enough to emulate the latest top of the line arcade releases from Japan

>>718109381
Gundam isn’t about “war is bad”. It’s more about “there are good and bad people on both sides” and “the war changes men”

>>718119706
Kind of crazy how there's fifty gorillion gundam games on the ps2, many of which are pretty good and focus on different elements of the setting, but none of them really feel like they have a full original story you can sink your teeth into. Even the game original stories are just minute long cutscenes before combat missions.
>>718119879
tbf gundam started all of that. Not in a bad way, other people fucking up the trend something good hit off is just a thing that happens.

>>718107890 (OP)
Why no mecha VR games? The genre is literally made for VR

>>718119907
The gpu used in EXVS2's machines are just 1050s and the game itself is just running off win10 so it can't be that demanding, hell gundam versus ran on ps4 and that was just a tech demo for 2

I like power armor, and I like scaled up power armor that becomes mecha. Tanks are okay, but not what I want. I don't want robots either, I want a guy in a war machine controlling it.

>>718119706
It's hard for mechfags to care about something with teens. It's easier for them to be adults/faceless mooks.

>>718119949
only one
how the fuck is that possible. and no i'm not counting SRW and gihren's greed. i'm talking about MS Saga. yeah that's crazy though. wait wait hold on, there's blue destiny and battle operations 2 code fairy. wait there's a bunch of OC gundam games, what am I on about.
>>718119907
i'm not disagreeing with you on the euros since they're cheap poor annoying fuckers but yes it is pretty easy to run.

>>718118789
G-Saviour
Blue Gender I guess

>>718110536
What game is this, looks fun?

>>718119973
There's loads of them. They just never really enter public consciousness because VR turned out be niche and if you're not buying into it, it doesn't exist to the common man. It's like releasing exclusively for laser disk.
>>718120034
MS Saga is kind of doing its own thing. Stuff like blue destiny and code fairy still really feel like basic arcade games, with story sprinkled on. 12 missions with a cutscene every so often. I dunno, I feel like it'd be nice to have one instead that actually tells the story during gameplay as well, focuses on more than just "timer on screen, score meter on the side, kill as many zakus before time runs out!". Not because I don't like that but because there's already a bunch of them.

>>718120069
>G-Saviour
Good pick, I love this game

>>718120079
SLAI

>>718120359
Thanks

>>718119973
>that one VOTOMS VR game stuck in Japan exclusivity
>probably isn't worked on anymore
Exclusivity hell. Also VR being niche and requiring a lot of money and time to setup doesn't help.

>>718107890 (OP)
To simulate how slow they move and turn it ends up being like playing an fps gayme on controller without autoaim and probably more mechanics like overheating

WfM I don't even care for yuri but it felt like it was tacked on out of nowhere. Suletta just felt more like Miorine's maid thing like most anime and I felt like there's was no romance tension except suddenly now she's hugging miorine and omg you're my superduper best friend (lover) outta nowhere. I've only watched S1 but I didn't really feel like watching S2.
X just felt too episodic to me. I'll get back to it and I know that's a dumb complaint but it didn't really feel like it's going anywhere.

I don't get why people put Hathaway so high when the ONLY fucking scene that should've been peak kino is done better in other series (F91). I guess it's just the gigi effect.

>>718120434
and seriously, I don't know HOW that Doan's movie got made. I enjoyed it but it's just more of a why to me lol. An OVA fine but a full fledge movie of one episode is crazy. It's cool and all but it feels so niche to have a movie lol.

>>718120434
I keep seeing very mixed opinion on G Fighters.

>>718119563
take the small mech pill (3.5 - 5 meters), and add landspinners as how they move around, instead of just running/boosting/flying.

>>718120430
>To simulate how slow they move and turn
Which is made way worse in cases when the mechs aren't supposed to be slow in the first place. It's just turning what could be a fun game into a slow boring game because that's just what people expect from them?

i wish there was a proper mecha game in vr
and no mw5 vr mod doesnt count it sucks ass

Mecha was always lame. Romance, slice of life and isekai will always stay superior genres

>>718120717
Kek. Based

>>718107890 (OP)
Mecha break is super fun

>>718120717
Mecha is something that can really only exist within anime. The decline of mecha ties into the decline of anime in general.

>>718120717
This

>>718119796
How hard is it to get EXVS2 working these days?

>>718120717
>>718120781
Bait used to be believable

>>718120717
Mecha is not a genre. It is a set dressing that fits into any genre.

>Romance
Macross
>Slice of Life
Patlabor
>Isekai
Dunbine

>>718117847
>This cannot be true since every war in history has only ever benefited the 1% at the top
Untrue. War creates necessity, and necessity is the mother of invention. World War II's technological advancements laid the groundwork for the internet. Now obviously there's the argument that the internet has been a net negative, but you should still see my point - war breeds new technologies that, while capable of ending an increasing number of lives, can also improve the lives of the survivors.
>take the Civil War
If you're against slavery, the freeing of the American slaves is generally considered to be a net positive.

You're only looking at things from a material level, from the eyes of individual soldiers who experienced the war. Take a step back and you'll see that the benefits are on a much grander scale.
War focuses a people. It takes their minds off of their mundane issues, which we see can drive people insane, and focuses them on an enemy to hate and kill. It makes them productive. It gives them meaning. All of these things have value, both material and spiritual.

>>718107890 (OP)
How many RX-78-1s survived the OYW?

>>718120860
Wrong.

>>718120830
we will have mobile suits within our lifetime
we already have commercially available exoskeletons for leg support

>>718121010
I proved my assertion through three clear examples you have no counter for.

>>718120969
which bullshit side story has mass produced RX-78-2s? is it the absolute dogshit that IGLOO is?

>>718120860
Brave Bang Bravern?

I was always wondering how it’s possible to do evasive maneuvers like dodge rolls or backflips with two levers

>>718120839
I haven't kept up to date with it since they stopped using that weird patreon, i believe there's a torrent on nyaa but as for actually setting it up I don't know

>>718112226
>FUCK mechwarrior.
Fuck you!

>>718121190
Preset motions and context-sensitive actions, exactly like video games.

>>718120545
G is GOAT holy who hates on G?

>>718121159
... or RX-78-1s for that matter.

Because it's easier to make money by selling physical goods. Cheaper too, generally, with insanely good margins and minimal, well established (30~ years) QA.
Games have an enormous initial investment that unless you're using an existing engine or framework causes other issues.
Bamco used to try, but no gundam game has ever really hit the mass market they're aiming for, especially in modern times when investment, expectation, and upkeep cost are so high.
So, they go for gacha cause that's at least cheap and easy to pump out, and it works.
Breaker 4, to date, made like 8% of what the new SD generations game in it's first month. There's no hope for traditional releases.

GBO2 as well, insanely profitable.

>>718110345
You know that you can still play it right?

>>718121190
levers have buttons on them, having the buttons set up the same way Souls game or whatever work - especially if paired with macrors would not be that hard. what should perplex you is how is it possible to do super fine hand and leg movements with such controls.

>>718110169
>You can have your cake and eat it too
Unfortunately most Gundam fans are pompous asses who think enjoying things made to be enjoyed is bad.

>>718121341
G is so cool I wish we had an EXVS game just for it so we could get all those goofy side Gundams playable

CAN'T YOU SEE
THAT YOU ARE SWEET
OH CAN I LOVE YOU SOOOOOO

>>718118662
The federation is more evil but people keep in denial about it because they're too close to real life's global powers

>>718121573
is that why hathaway is taking so long to get adapted? they have to downplay maftys terrorism?

>>718121634
wait now that i think about it, does the novel or even the movie show Hathaway doing anything devious? the only mafty terrorist act (fucking dying holy fuck why was that scene so funny like come on there's no way that wasn't intentional) was a copycat and you don't really see any of mafty's acts except for kenneth and the federation just going "grr that mafty, i have to capture him!"

>>718121572
damn you unlocked some memories
/m/ got me to watch War in the pocket during 2012 or 2013' Christmas time and I've been a Gundam fan ever since

>>718121435
Make mechs fuckable, proboem solved.

>>718121752
>gif
Is that Ideon?

>>718121891
So who's the bigger cybertronian slut? Arcee, Strongarm, or Windblade?

>>718121573
The federation is evil because they refuse to do what's necessary. That's literally their entire role. They're like a bloated, rotting corpse that fails to exert the necessary control over the crazies. This is especially poignant in Victory, where Kagatie simply wants to genocide most of mankind, even his own people, and the Federation refused to do anything. So only some of the forces went AWOL and joined the league militaire to fight Zanscare.

>>718109381
Are there any games that are genuine about how based and cool war is? Maybe Halo?

>>718120602
No. small mechs are too small for the kind of mass destruction I want to implement. I can't imagine a 3.5m mech destroying skyscrapers.

>>718121752
Mafty is blowing a hole in one of the hotels with a mobile suit. You probably missed that part.

>gundam tries to finally make a shooter game
>its a fucking 6v6 hero shooter for e-sports with lootboxes and battle passes
>dies because of bad servers and monetization
>also works like shit on its console version
>officially shuts down within just a year
Those fuckers didn't even try to continue working on it to fix it or anything. They just let it die and fade into memory, typical move by Bandit Scamco. Yet despite doing this to GEVO, they somehow let shit like GBO2 continue service on PC in its garbage state.

>try to watch OG Gundam
>get 3 episodes in
>bored out of my mind
Why do people pretend to like this shit?

>>718122287
I think Mass Effect would qualify. The war spanning the three games is almost completely portrayed as humanity seeking glory and superiority, while also fighting against an existential threat, but you're never made to feel remorse for being an enthusiastic soldier on the path to genocide (of the Reapers).

I'm actually watching G Gundam right now as my first AU after watching all of UC. I liked it at first but now I really like it. I did not expect the story to go in this direction and it's cool to see these gundams go crazy. And I'm only 16 eps in.

>>718122287
40K Warhammer games I guess? Technically?

War = Cool and manly has always been a part of it.

>>718119706
mmm hamburger

>>718122451
You're in for a wild ride that only get better and better until the end.
G Gundam is a gem.

>>718122423
I am watching Gundam Zeta because I loved AC6 and apparently it's one of the best entry and it's indeed very boring and childish.

>also mid 2025
>still no ac6 dlc

>>718122538
It's ok, he's fine.

>>718122694
Keep your hopes up!

>>718122694
Since you're so desperate to reply to yourself, have a pity (you)

>>718110940
I’d rather From make another ACE game.

Almost finished 0079 and I have one question. Why didn't anyone like Sayla romantically?

>>718122513
I always got the feeling it was so over the top as one of those cliche meta commentaries on human nature. Like a Quinton Tarantino/starship troopers "maybe were the baddies because we like sex and violence" thing.

>>718122829
That was in the novel
And the remake

>>718122959
>And the remake
Remake?

>>718110219
>lose connection for more than 1 second
>instantly booted from a match
>try to play matches to get rid of penalty level
>get randomly dc'd from a match
>punished with a temporary ban
Why is this game allowed to exist anywhere? Do japs and gundam fans love to eat shit or something?

>>718122384
evo is funny because the side 7 guys (pserver which is adding new suits and has tons of cosmetics and is working on full fledged matchmaking services) have basically figured out the balancing right away, it was just shit people had said since day 1.

Bamco genuinely did not want to mess with balance, their investor reports cited "call of duty, battlefield, apex legends" as major titles they wanted to compete with, and said "updating and balancing too often upsets players and makes competitive environments hard to foster".
They just ignored and brick walled any questions about why they fucked monetization instead of just having two tier currency like everyone was expecting. Even if they only gave 10 cap a game people would have been happy, but having no way to get free currency outside of events locked people into their suit choices, and it only got worse the later you joined because you missed out on cap that would never come around again.

also GBO2 makes hilarious money despite being a like fucking 15 year old concept. I know GBO/GBON aren't the same but like, yes they are.
It makes SO much money, for very little effort.

>>718123225
shit forgot my picture. This is an actual grandpa skin you can use. They also made a screaming eagle one (american type) as well.
G EVO is in fine hands in the hands of it's fans, and the devs have said numerous times they'll just drop a github at the sign of a C&D and let everyone make their own service since custom games are already 100% in working order.

>>718122451
G Gundam is not an AU.

>>718107890 (OP)
It's a broader problem of licensed games (licensed anime games especially) being low-budget cash-grabs. They're basically advertisements you pay for. That doesn't mean they can't still be fun, of course.

>>718123225
Remember when everyone said Barbatos was overpowered and the devs never nerfed him

>>718123413
Yup, him and exia were way overtuned. They actually got better by the end, the final patch for the game was pretty insane, because it was literally everything everyone had wanted and been asking for, but obviously it was already shutting down at that point so who cared.

>>718123413
Those "people" were complete shitters and Barbatos did get nerfed.

>>718123464
negro you could do a GunZ style massive flick with barbatos and hit an almost 360 degree area in patch 0/1. It was very very broken.

>>718118208
The pic you posted allows the mechs to be fluid because they're fighting in zero gravity

>>718123528
It's a melee attack. Use one of the numerous defensive options you have available.

>>718123663
Yes, you could avoid it
but the fact it had that much more power than anyone else is an issue, and that's why it was nerfed. That's all I'm saying.
It was broken, now it's not.

>>718120717
>Isekai
Return to /a/, creature

>>718122229
Slipstream is absolutely down to fuck between bombing missions

>>718123225
GBO2 really is just GBO though.

>>718121573
>>718122253
The Federation is literally the United Nations only people actually took it seriously and it went "oh god of fuck why is everyone sacrificing their sovereignty to us" forcing what was meant to be a world police/humanitarian aid force to take on governing roles it was never designed for.
All of its faults in UC are faults its IRL counterpart are facing today.

>>718123225
This is why people should shit talk investors more. They're the biggest of retards who majority of the time can dictate what happens to a game. Not exclusive to Scamco games either, they get involved with anything popular and deemed potentially profitable.

>>718122619
I've loving the over the top anime shit but with Gundams.

>>718123610
Mobile suits are always decently fluid in their motions, gravity or not. Most mecha settings have their movement abilities being one of their strong points.

>>718121891
I wish this was a 3d model and not ai slop, now I'll never see this exact arcee partaking in intercourse with human men, predominantly via her lips and the accompanying mouth and other such oral devices

I haven't seen a grounded or compelling mech universe yet but Battletech at least approaches some semblance of a functional sci-fi setting. The worst that gets is mechs doing handstands since mechs and spaceships basically use arbitrarily advanced technology even though it all looks like JB super weld and rusted rivets.
Then you have Gundam and friends where giant mechs sit on halo ring space stations holding giant fishing poles with lures in tiny space hub ponds. At least Battletech doesn't assume mechs go into space, they have the dumb idiot bowling ball space ships (stupidest space ship design you've seen)

>>718109381
>>718112641
You only watched Gundam Seed and it shows. Jerid is one giant piss take on the entire might makes right ideal. In fact the titans are much stronger then the AUEG and they only lose cause of how hilariously corrupt and evil they are
>>718122287
>Maybe Halo
Certainly not reach, really the only one like that is CE
>>718119942
Only 79 is like that

>>718110169
Anon, like 90% of Gundam fans treat Newtypes as they're presented at face fucking value. As completely evolved and the next step in evolution for humanity, and that oldtypes exist to become obsolete in the face of the betterment of mankind through proliferation from the oldtype brain rot to make way for the newtype age of understanding and utopia.

They don't get that the entire fucking point of newtypes is to show that humans are warmongers at heart, and just because we can achieve total understanding doesn't mean evil won't exist or can be reasoned with. They genuinely fucking think newtypes are superhumans with emotion-based reality-warping powers and seriously argue shit like Judau and Kamille being the "strongest beings in UC" solely because of their resonance with psychoframe, not really getting the entire god damned point of psychoframe being a god damned cosmic horror outside of a single, poignant miracle of the universe that goes Beyond the Time.

Yes, WAR IS BAD as a central theme exists as a bell curve, but for good fucking reason. Tomino himself had to shit on the newest show just because it was proving the point he had about people misunderstanding Gundam's overall message. You know it's fucked when it made him look back on Victory and admit he was way too hard on himself and Victory as a whole.

>>718124054
You don't seem to be very familiar with either setting, honestly.

>>718124145
Only American's ever thought this way about newtypes. Its why shit like 08th MS is so popular cause it has a simpler story, no newtypes to confuse them, and the mechs are more akin to the ones in battletech

>>718124145
This is also why Gundam X had to literally drive the point home that being a newtype doesn't mean shit btw

>>718124320
Americans generally can't into abstract concepts or visualizations, and cannot read between lines. You can thank several generations of American military-hollywood indoctrination, among other things.

>>718124054
>At least Battletech doesn't assume mechs go into space
Battletech does have space optimized mechs with thrusters and extra propellant, for space combat. Also LAMs, which are literally just transforming macross mechs that can fly from the ground into space.
You're just not very familiar with the quirkier elements of it. It's extremely quirky.
>>718124145
Exactly. Zeta having a villain that's literally using weaponized newtype empathy to control people, and weaponized converted easy-bake newtypes that are used and discarded, was a pretty clear sign that he wasn't expecting them to save the galaxy from ourselves.

>>718124260
the mech genre is dumb as fuck
you could figure out a million uses for mechs
>giant construction work in an advanced future used walkers and the space construction agencies have to use their armed walkers to fight like red faction
nope it's robot space ninja titans and they're 500 feet high and have magic rocket engines with infinite fuel and use a sword

>>718124320
>>718124382
>Americans out of nowhere
Mutts law

>>718124382
>Americans generally can't into abstract concepts or visualizations, and cannot read between lines.
what?
Americans are pretentious as fuck.

>>718123717
Nah you're just a shitter. What happened is they buffed Barbatos too much in an earlier patch (because the devs knew it was subpar) and tweaked it a little later to fit the playstyle. But that was ages after launch where all the shitters cried about it being broken.

>>718124441
most mechwarriorfags only know the setting from the games and thus think all of battletech is the shitty tank reskins that the games show

>>718124538
This. Reminder actual tabletop battletech has actual physical combat with mechs

>>718124320
08th is popular exclusively because of the gouf custom scenes. Without it you get dumb shit like this. Nobody actually gives two shits about the story in that show.

>>718124145
>They genuinely fucking think newtypes are superhumans with emotion-based reality-warping powers
It really is crazy shit that GQ made them exactly this.

>>718124145
You'd think people would catch on after the third fucking war in a row using telepaths as super weapons.

>>718124069
>Jerid is one giant piss take on the entire might makes right ideal. In fact the titans are much stronger then the AUEG and they only lose cause of how hilariously corrupt and evil they are
You have a woefully narrow concept of "might" if you think one aspect, military expenditure, decides the scales.
Kamille was stronger than Jerid and clowned on him unendingly.
The Titans lose because they're weaker than the people opposing them, regardless of size or technological capability.

>>718124485
>Americans are pretentious as fuck.
This does not contradict the statement.
Dunning Kruger.

>>718124626
It's really fucking cool.

>>718124621
Yeah I dunno what anon is talking about.

Like the actual OVA is mid. The only parts people remember is the gouf fighting scene

War in the pocket would be the most truer example if you had to pick something without newtypes.

Is hyaku shiki the sexiest mobile suit?

>>718124679
You would think the first fucking cyber newtype would be the immediate "oh wait oh shit hang on" before even getting to Wacky Jupiter Rizz Man, but no, anime fans typically watch shit with their brains turned off and very, VERY fucking rarely someone will rewatch it all and actually apply any kind of critical viewing and thinking about the premise and direction of the show.

>>718124856
*blocks you're path*

>>718113392
>Mechwarrior
Kino
>SEED
Kino

>>718124856
Not even in its own show. The Dijeh is way sexier.

Mecha settings don't go far enough into sci fi, all of them keep a kind of WW2 aesthetic and conflict no matter what the window dressing looks like

>Gundam Wing, one of the first shows to have a large influence and following in the West
>still not a single game dedicated to the Gundam Wing universe only
>every game is a crossover with other universes, timeline fixing, SD chibi, RPG, or some obscure old game
Why does nearly every Japanese mecha game need to be some sort of crossover and not just solely dedicated to one universe?

>>718124905
NTA but I'm gonna have to disagree chief. The Wolf suffers from the same "gun trigger crotch" that OG G1 megatron toys have.

>>718124596
>>718124538
>>718124441
My favorite thing to remember about Battletech is that, given how the mechs are made, BattleMechs should (and do) move more like Gundams, and Gundams should move like MechWarrior animated battlemechs.
>>718124879
UC Gundam basically just becomes a contest of who can commit the worst/most warcrimes, and given that one group killed off half of humanity inside of a week, it is a surprisingly tight race.
In the end, newtypes are pretty much a stand in for nuclear power. A new thing that should be able to drag us out of our violent tendencies and usher a better world, and humanities first inclination is "how can I make this kill someone?".

can we all take a moment to laugh at this thing

>>718124696
The Titans would have was if it wasn't a 4 way battle between factions though

>>718125082
One of my friends in high school made a basic Gundam Wing RPG you could play on your TI-83.

>>718125082
Wing fucking sucks.

>>718125259
>Supposed to be the peak of Titan mobile suits
>Jobs

>>718107890 (OP)
It's because it can't get it's identity fucking straight

You want a gundam game that feels like youre ruding a mech not a glorified flying person with a power suit but that makes the game too slow and clunky but that's sort of the point of being in a mobilesuit.

It's hard to immerse yourself when the perspective betrays itself

>>718125082
This was hardly obscure anon. Hell, it was almost always on most of the tables at the local gaming cafe when I was a kid.

>>718125082
Wing is dogshit and the characters are legitimately insane.

>>718124441
No one nos about the racing mechs or the macross knock offs that in a lot of BT

>>718125082
Wing is held back by the fact that it was really made to be the teen drama show of gundam, and all of the stock footage making the series probably twice as long as it needed to be.

>>718125329
>a glorified flying person with a power suit
But that's what Gundam is.

>>718107890 (OP)
Because mecha games have a design issue where they are either too mechanically detailed to be easy to make or pick up AND they don't represent people's preconceived ideas of what they want.

Armored Core is the most popular mecha series of all time to casual masses and even then it's niche, because FromSoft saw limited success with it compared to their other franchises. Meanwhile, because mecha struggles with the identity crisis of what they want to put forward in their games.

If you played SRW and saw one of your favorite series, is that what you really want from the game? Animated fights with some dialogue referencing an episode of an anime? Then you have the issue of "Okay, I want a game that plays like the mechas are in the show" but then how do you design that around a dedicated game? The platinum transformers game is pretty good, but is that what you wanted? A 3D combo marathon game with a transformers skin?

Even still we need more mecha games. I'd love it if some popular IPs made self-contained games with their own narratives and world to use as a backdrop rather than be another reference again. But of course, making a niche genre of game for a niche genre of entertainment? How would that sell well? It would be easier if we lived in the PS2/Xbox/GCN climate of lower budget games made for shows.

>>718125082
It did have a game. Unfortunately, it was made in 1995 before the tech for a really solid mecha game was there, and anime is dropped from cross promotion as soon as the show ends.

Just look at G-Saviour. Bombed hard with the fans, but since it came out in 2000-2001, it still got a pretty solid PS2 game out of the deal. If Wing came out at that time, you would have a solid PS2 Wing game instead.

>>718125329
>not a glorified flying person with a power suit
That's what Gundam is thoughever

>>718125329
>but that makes the game too slow and clunky
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP PARROTING THIS SHIT GUNDAM IS NOT SLOW AND CLUNKY, IT HAS NEVER BEEN SLOW AND CLUNKY, EVEN IN THE ONE YEAR WAR YOU HAD SHIT LIKE >>718124003 OR GOD FORBID THUNDERBOLT

>>718125329
>>718125446
The original 79 show didn't even portray the suits as that agile unless it was specifically Char in space. Super fast suits that move like MACROSS or Eureka 7 mechs wasn't a thing until halfway through Zeta maybe

>>718124145
>Tomino himself had to shit on the newest show just because it was proving the point he had about people misunderstanding Gundam's overall message. You know it's fucked when it made him look back on Victory and admit he was way too hard on himself and Victory as a whole.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about nigga

>>718124340
Newtypes in X are a symbol for Gundam, the message about newtypes in that show is a message about the franchise itself.

>Because the military is taboo in Japanese TV anime, the main character can't be a soldier. I knew as early as the first episode that it would be impossible for an ordinary civilian boy to pilot the Gundam unless he had some special ability. But I didn't want to simply make the boy a psychic. Psychics were already entrenched as a standard science fiction genre, and around the time of broadcast there were also movies like ESPY (a Toho production), so I wanted to avoid that.
>Thus, when we were doing the first cours, I wondered whether some exceptional ability other than psychic powers might enable him to pilot the robot. In episode 9, Matilda says of Amuro that "you may be some kind of esper." At that point, I hadn't yet managed to come up with the term "Newtype." But since I'd decided not to make him an esper, I was confident that was fine. Don't humans have the potential to develop their abilities even further? And when they have that power, they could become another kind of human with a higher average... Thinking along those lines, I ultimately created the Newtype term.

>—It feels like the thematic elements were really prominent in Z Gundam.
>They're actually deemphasized. If the Newtype theory got more and more prominent, then their abilities would become ESP and we'd end up in an SF world. I didn't want that, so I deemphasized the themes instead. That's why Kamille, the main character of Z Gundam, is a sick person.

Within the story newtype is both a concept and name for espers that different things.

>>718125259
Bound Doc is a beautiful princess and you will shut your whore mouth

>>718125515
Shut up you lying retard.

what's your favorite gundam song? for me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyFVYI62TY
F91 may have been a rushed mess, but it as a gorgeous one.

>>718125259
The Baund Doc really might be the ugliest mobile suit in all of UC.

>>718125265
Hop into your alternative reality machine, take a trip into that timeline, and find me the records of the war that prove this.
A thing happens the way it happens. "What if"s are irrelevant. Strength is not simply the strength to punch, but also the charisma to rally people to your cause and the wisdom to avoid fighting when it's not beneficial.
The Titans lost, and someone else won, and the winner is the side that is most capable of administering violence.

Is that Grendizer game good?

>>718125501
He's a tankfag shitting up a mech thread, simple as.
The fact that he thinks Gundam, where the vast majority of the fights are in fucking outer space or in space colonies where gravity is much lower than on earth, should be moving "slow and clunky" shows how little he knows the setting.

>>718125645
Colonies only have lower gravity near the center. When they're on "land" it's the same as Earth.

I want For Honor but with mecha

>>718125310
>>718125361
It's my dogshit that I like, okay?
>>718125284
Impressively awesome
>>718125351
As cool as it is, Wing deserves more than just a fighting game from 30 years ago.
>>718125425
Fucking Canadians with G-Saviour stealing away Wing's chance for more games.

>>718125849
ESCA
FLOWNE
ESCA
FLOWNE

>>718125702
Nah, it's more that consistency of gravity in sides/colonies is left to the whims of the story. You have several shows where people infiltrating a colony do the zero g propelling hop to move in a colonies maintenance tunnels, which are for all intents and purposes "underground" given that they're the layer outside the land inside the colony.

>>718125591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3WMzb3D3oA

>>718125902
>violin screeching intensifies

>>718125591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_O8-qBq0w4&pp=ygUUaHVtYW4gdG91Y2ggZ3VuZGFtIHg%3D
Comfy music

>>718125259
>>718125620
Bad cleaned up version of an excellent design. Love me gamp.

>>718126052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cNRQo1m3A&list=RD85cNRQo1m3A&start_radio=1

>>718126013
>You will never be cool enough that your battlemusic is people just singing your name over and over.
Man, Machinehead and Escaflowne know how to fuck.

>>718108439
That's why G Gundam is the best, they instead say robots are cool because instead of countries fighting wars they now brawl it out with their robotic champion in a tournament, they're heroes / stars / sportsmen, none of that negativity

>>718125591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMJ-keBDjc
I don't know what my favorite is but lately this has lived rent free in my head. I like it a lot, engrish in all.

>>718125913
The "gravity" in a colony is like you getting pushed towards the side of a car when going around a turn, if you stand beside the car without being in linked movement with it you don't suddenly experience that force.

>>718126087
Blame Bandai for starting up that real gunpla battle shit then never going anywhere with it beyond that one bit in Yokohama 3 years ago.

>>718126196
Except for the fact that none of the people organizing the fighting gives a single shit about earth where they stage all the fights and never bother to actually help the people there.

>>718126196
>none of that negativity
Hate to tell you this bro but the Gundam Fight was just a temporary bandaid solution and countries were gearing up for war in the background.

>>718126210
Except the infiltrators are already "inside the car" when they do the hop is what I'm saying.
Hell, they're so inside the car they're in the gap between the car seat and the center console.

>>718126196
>none of that negativity
Eh, the whole trashing Earth and using it as a wrestlemania arena with no regard for the people living there or the environment was kinda the central point of conflict... to say there was no negativity about the violence is untrue

>>718126257
Because that aspect is inverted. The Earth is for poorfags that can't afford to live in space with the cool kids.

We're not ever going to get a series like 00 ever again are we?

>>718125515
Lol, lmao. The Gundam literally does somersaults as it's falling through the air. The Gundam vs Gouf final duel has them moving like superhumans

>>718126485
00 is getting a full on sequel. I just don't think the format has been decided yet.

>>718126087
Any time I see something from Build Fighters and other Build anime, it just makes me wonder why haven't they capitalised on a proper MMO based around this universe?

>>718126485
No and thank God for that.

>>718126485
Hopefully not

>>718126543
xdd

>>718126543
They tried making some Metaverse garbage that no one would have cared about except dataminers managed to snag full models of some gunpla sprues from it.

>>718126540
I'm more talking about the tone. Everything since has kind of been all over the place but I think 00 really hit a great balance overall, movie notwithstanding. IBO was too grimdark, while GWitch and GQux weren't gritty enough. Witch tried to be a few times but pussied out.

>>718126586
>>718126597
Plebs spotted

>>718126607
what were they fucking smoking
like fucking why man

>>718126792
Like every terrible metaverse or NFT project, investment bros told clueless execs that it was definitely going to be the next big thing

>>718126764
00 sucks after episode 18 or something.

>>718126543
Because they were trying to make this instead.

>>718125575
By mecha standards this is still grounded and it's basically an outlier for the show and you can still tell they are piloting big robots still from how they move limbs. Theres still a sense of clunkiness to a lot of the movement in 79 which sure is mostly thanks to the animation but that's still how it felt watching. They aren't doing shit like this is the point. Even in 79 there's a clear difference from how those mechs move and how the suits in Majestic Prince or Star Driver move

>>718126865
>the show gets bad after the playing field is leveled and the autistic meisters start getting a grip and stop being so robotic
No.

>>718126607
>>718126673
>look up Gundam Metaverse
>a collaborative project between Bandai Namco and "fans" of Gundam
>it's just a "game" on a shitty social app to do questionnaires and look at gunpla or dioramas
>has a shittier version of Evolution and Breaker combat
Why does Sunrise and Bamco have to mismanage Gundam so badly?
>>718126882
>check this out
>its just a VR game where you scan your real gunpla into a game
My god this fucking IP is cursed.

>>718126954
>Tiktok video
Kill yourself.

>>718126954
>tiktok
fucking why

>>718124696
Jerid is pretty accurate depiction on the average believer in that though thinking he is one of the strong only to turn out to be a total loser and in his defense he was going to beat Kamille a few times if he had not just gotten unlucky

>>718126983
>its just a VR game where you scan your real gunpla into a game
That's almost exactly how it is in the build fighters shows. The battle arena and pilot interface are for all intents and purposes a vr game, just one that uses plavsky particles.

>the gundams used to be clunky, look at 0079!
>meanwhile, at the same time Amuro is dicking around with Char

>>718125591
Meteor

>>718127220
Could have sworn it's been mentioned that Thunderbolt takes place in yet another alternate timeline.

>>718127151
It looks mostly impressive tech-wise and then you get to the gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJSXaW4PntU
Again, VR is too niche.

>>718127220
No one cares about Thunderslop.

>>718127319
It does. Things get really weird by the second half of the series, from what I understand

>>718126607
>gunpla battle comes into being
>sweats immediately skip the fun part of building and customizing your favorite suits and jump immediately to making twin drive omega psycommu permit enhanced funnel spam beam spam winmoar monstrosities
JUST

>>718127319
>alternate timeline
You mean an AU?

>>718127220
>Clunky
The RX-78 was known to be horrifically fast in universe.

>>718125591
That is a really hard question, but I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_CfPuXoMU has to be it for me just because Seed's ED transitions were really damn good.

>>718127545
Anon...that's his point, he's making fun of the people who call 79 clunky

>>718127597
He should have posted something from MSG and not Thunderbolt garbage.

>>718127543
Nah. I mean alternate timeline. I use AU specifically when the time designation isn't Universal Century. So G Gundam (Future Century), Gundam Wing (After Century), etc. are all AU, but Thunderbolt and GQuuux are alternate timelines.

Amuro is one of my favorite protagonists and I watched Gundam as an adult. His arc from bean eater to fragmaster to jaded fragmaster is awesome.

>>718127662
Then you're using AU wrong.

>>718127735
No, he's right, you're wrong.

>>718127761
An alternate timeline is by its very definition an AU.

>>718127883
That's cool and all but not every AU of Gundam is about the events leading to and after the One Year War between the Earth Federation and the forces of Zeon, hence the distinction between alternate timeline and AU.

>>718127996
Using AU in the first place is stupid because it implies that UC is the "main" universe that all others spring from when that's obviously not the case. There's no connective tissue between Zeta, G, or SEED.

>>718127512
>walk up to your first gunpla battle with your favorite mobile suit
>opponent slaps down a souped up Zabanya
>spams the entire field the second you're in sight with missiles and beams with help from his AI computer system that's navigating the shield and gun bits, downing you before you can even fire a shot
>afterwards says even if you did navigate the danmaku the zabanya has an I-Field, GN Shield, Anti-beam coating, shield bits, and can trans-am, and has a second GN drive to quantize itself.
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>718128119
You're not looking at it from a meta enough sense. UC is the "main" universe in that the very first Gundam series takes place in the UC timeline, and from it springs the concept of a fighting robot with a particular design and sporting particular colors called Gundam. Everything else is free to follow along in the UC timeline, but as we can see not everyone does.
>>718128074
Like others have pointed out, it's been real since at least Thunderbolt. GQuuuuuuX takes this a step further by being an alternate UC created by an alternate UC Lalah.

is dolls nest any good

>>718127710
>bean eater
my sides

You mean bean counter?

>>718128430
I'd tell him to leave the basement.

>>718128443
That's like calling every Final Fantasy sequel an AU to the first game. I don't think I need to elaborate on how nonsensical that is.

>>718128515
>You mean bean counter?
NTA but I doubt that's what anon meant. Amuro wasn't even old enough to have a job, much less one as a bean counter.

>>718128598
He's a massive nerd though. Future bean counter maybe. Future STEMcel. If Amuro wasn't famous for icing niggas left and right he'd barely have any bitches on his dick.

>>718128515
>>I'd tell him to leave the basement.
oooooh mad

>>718128430
Nah I'd win because I padded every square inch of my gunpla's innards with cotton.

>the best gundam games are locked behind nation exclusivity on arcade machines
Fuck my life of being a Gundam fan

>>718128979
If they were released on other platforms you'd get the usual slew of idiots complaining that they aren't "Gundam enough."

>>718128709
Dude if I rolled up to a friendly game with my fucking freshly built Rick Dom custom and a nigga pulls out his Turn A Gundam Super Custom or a Unicorn Full Armor I'd actually kill him on the spot.

This shit happened to me irl, not kidding. I was 16 and had just bought my first sets of models for Warhammer 40k. I go to the local GW shop during peak hours and ask for a game. One mid 30s pencil neck degenerate leaps at the opportunity. This fucking faggot did an Eldar-Tau combined army in an 850 point game (my first ever) and just set up a gunline in a building after setting up the table terrain. I surrendered after the first turn because his shooting phase killed half my forces and I wasn't even in firing range for my stuff yet. He was butthurt I quit.

>>718127512
>>718128430
If you watch the series you notice that build fighters is pretty balanced. A turn X gets shot in the face trying to do moonlight and just dies lol, it's a decently balanced game in-universe. There's no strict suit powerlevels.

Honestly I just want Chromehounds back.

>>718129373
Power levels are very much there but based on how Gunpla are built rather than what they are a model of.

>>718127136
Believing you're strong does not make you strong.
Jerid's issue is that he while he certainly thinks the strong should control the weak, he gets upset when he learns that he IS the weak, and that he exists to be controlled by those who are stronger than him.

>>718129223
No one has anything to say in the first place since they don't come out to any other platform.

>>718122829
Because she's a Zeon princess and you'd be fucking the Red Comet's sister.
He only gave Amuro permission to do that, and Amuro is a quasi-autistic shut-in 90% of the time and would wall himself into a room with electronics, or pine for the days of indiscriminately slaughtering Zeon soldiers so they broke up.

Char never let anyone else come over to his house and fuck his sister except Amuro.

>>718127220
I fucking love thunderbolt full armor
Just gramps with a bunch of big fucking cannons, hell yeah

>>718124145
I hate how newtypes went from
>"people that have adapted ESP as a way of evolving to the vastness of space"
to
>"IM REALLY GOOD AT PILOTING AND HAVE SPACE WIZARD POWERS"

>>718110219
GBO2 was good until the powercreep.
even 300 cost is a shitshow

>>718125351
Yeah. Normies learned how to run emulators on the school PC just play this game when I was in highschool.

>>718111997
Sauce

>>718107890 (OP)
Because you still haven't played Mechabellum

>>718131836
I want to bury my face in Chara Soon's titties and suffocate to death in there

>>718126954
0079 was actually animated more to have the mobile suits resemble dudes in rubber suits.

>>718111997
Huhh?

>>718131945
I did always get the impression that Tomino just wanted them to move like big people with the occasional boost.

>>718127545
The RX-78 was so far ahead of it's time that it ran through two more wars after that in the Mk II iteration that was basically just slightly increased specs with a new cockpit, modular frame, and beam rifle magazine compatibility.
A first gen mobile suit that ran all the way through the First Neo Zeon war.

>>718107890 (OP)
Because the people who own the gaming licenses to the best mecha properties are SHIT-FUCK-ASS at making real video games, and get to coast off licensed properties forever.

>>718132075
The Mk. II is usually shit in SRW though while the RX-78 is better so I assume the Mk. II sucks in general. I think it was alright in GC? I know there's one game where it's not terrible.

>>718131926
She'd probably let you.
She'd probably kill you with them on complete accident, too.

>>718132075
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>718132103
This.

>>718132045
I think it was because the original 0079 was so beyond groundbreaking in it's premise that the suits wanted badly to Super Robot it so it wouldn't be too radically different.
Tomino's original concept was Heinlein with sniper rifles.
It was going to be vastly different. Even when he relented, and allowed for mecha, the suits still tried to shoehorn as many SR tropes into the show as possible.

That's why the OYW looks like surreal fever dream compared to the Gryps Conflict.

>>718132190
I do, actually. The Mk II was just RX-79 specs + 2% uplift and some fancy new tech.
I don't even think the Mk II had the learning computer.

>>718132103
I'll never forgive them for fucking up syndualitys launch.
>Run a beta/ONT
>Really good risk/reward balance
>Literally the only extraction shooter where people play towards the faction system and coop with eachother
Launch comes out
>Completely fuck the economy
>The only way to make money was to grief people in the preorder bonus mech and sell it after looting them

>>718132159
the Mk2 Is pretty good in Gundam vs Zeta Gundam... if you're good at the game and never pick the recovery awakening that is. if you pick that awakening the left arm is the first part that gets destroyed, which means you can't reload the beam rifle anymore.

>>718132323
>2% uplift
lol retard

>>718109381
You’ve never actually watched a Gundam series yet you’re so convicted on your opinions because you saw a meme

>>718132159
Last game I played with both of them in it was SRW30 and I swapped both of those out so fast. Though yeah, OG did have some stronger attacks than Mk II.
I was very disappointed when I found out the real extent of the OYW content in 30.
I really wish they'd make a new title with the old OG content, but that's never going to happen.

Divine Crusaders, Zeon and Ghiren all as antagonists is never happening again.

>>718132103
It's a sad death sentence for any IP to be owned by Bamco.

>>718132391
Here's your last (You), kid. Spend it wisely.

>>718132504
I don't remember the exact stats on OG but it's one of the better Gundams you get so as a person that uses 90% real robots, it got a slot on my team. Mk. II is grunt tier but OG has some good attacks.

>>718128515
bean eater

>>718132578
Yeah but you also get like 4 Nu Gundams and more Newtypes than you can shake a stick at. I think even Fa can use the funnels.

>>718132616
this nigga eating beans!

>>718132651
Of course I was using all those too. You have like 22 deployment slots by endgame. I played before the DLC, which was 2 of those, I believe.

>>718132578
>it's one of the better Gundams you get
You've never played 30. The OG Gundam sucks dick.

Are there any good mecha games that I can run on a toaster laptop

>>718132853
Suck my cock.

>>718111997
it'll never happen bro, let it go

>>718121235
FUck you
I can smell your fat greasy cumskin ass faggot
mech warrior is shit

>>718132874
Aside from SRW, I like SRW but I want something that isn't turn-based this time

>>718133530
I actually meant to reply to the post above you, sorry about that. Have you ever tried the Armored Core games? You can emulate the PS2 ones pretty easily. Last Raven's my favorite but you could play them in sequential order too.

>>718132853
Giheren's Ambition

>>718132874
>can't even reply to the right post
Giga retard.
>worse in almost every stat
>significantly worse weapons
>against the gimped MK-2
I'm sure if I kept up the comparison the RX-78 would easily be the worst Gundam in the game.

>SRW Y demo
>Out the get go, you get Getter Arc team and Dynazenon team
>Majestic Prince is also in this game
>3 whole dysfunctional teams
Why do teams full of complete retards make the best dynamic?

>>718133573
No worries anon
I have not, I'm not entirely sure whether I can handle emulating PS2 emulators, I was told before that it might be too much. But if I can handle it, I'll go for the earlier AC games, thank you!
>>718133597
But but turn-based
I should at some point though

>>718133703
The PS1 AC games are worth checking out too. I would imagine any computer in the past 15 years could run a PS2 emulator though.

>>718133703
>>718132853
If you can run psp emulation there's a pile of gundam games that are mostly untranslated but pretty fun.
PS2 has Gundam vs Zeta gundam.
If you're fine with 2d, there's a pile of snes games that I unfortunately don't recall the names of.
On steam there's a guy who has made a bunch of 2d sidescrolling mecha games as well:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/404100/STEEL_STRIDER/?curator_clanid=33020008
Look for games by 'ASTRO PORT'

>>718112226
>People love Titanfall 2 mechs and they're both weighty but also control well.

>>718133573
I strongly recommend starting Armored Core 1 with a build I like to call "the cheap shit special". sell every part you have and copy this exact build.
rebind the controls to be like
face buttons, like triangle = turn the AC
directional buttons = move and strafe
boost on L2, fire weapon on R2, melee on R1, change weapon on L1

congratulations, you just utterly skullfucked Armored Core 1 into oblivion

>>718133652
Wow the difference is fucking trivial.

>>718134021
Because it's an easy game but the OG is by no means "one of the better Gundams you get."

>>718133658
>majestic prince
>again
I think I'm just going to skip Y.

>>718133928
>rebind the controls to be like
Extremely gay advice.

>>718134120
I'm not very excited about the cast.

>>718108439
This.
There's a weird bugbear in mecha that is, I can't quite put it to good words, but, like, clinging to the myth of a single man being relevant to combat. That one guy can be a cool enough dude to save the world, and not just catch some fucking shrapnel from a landmine put somewhere by mistake.
By making a man a giant, you can preserve the idea of the war hero. But, everything else around that is disagreeing with this fundamental claim. You have to make such weird things happen, so the Great Men in their machines can be relevant, around everything that's just set dressing.
Gundam bends over backwards to justify why everyone is in giant men; you have the fukkin minovsky particles that say you can't have proper guidance systems or drones, and then you need man shaped machines for the fucking space wizards that infest the show, but it's not limited to gundam.
I feel this is, more or less, the fundamental issue with mecha that prevents it from translating to a game.
Either the game is a character action game to preserve the myth of the war hero, at the cost of the setting around them, or the game is done kind of strategy, wargame, rpg ect, which preserves the setting, but kills the idea of the war hero and the warrior.
Battletech is PROBABLY the only one I can finger off the top of my head that doesn't completely fall into this, but it has a chronic obsession with space feudalism and dynasty that's awkward to stomach in its own right.

>>718134157
I wish we could get another Original Generations.
Or fuck even a remaster of an old game.
If they can give us English SRWs now, then fuck why not let us finally get some real localizations of the good stuff.

>>718134120
There is not much that appeals about Y besides it being a video game with Eri in it and eventually they will just give us a Vs. game with that anyways.

>>718133810
I think mine might be a bit less than 10 years old, I'll give it a hopeful try soon.
>>718133839
>untranslated
Oh...
I can run a PSP emulatior, I was playing bits of SRW AP. Sorry, there's THIRTY one mobile suits to pick from??
SNES feels like it might be a bit too old, but I did enjoy Yoshi's Island and Contra 4.
Steel Strider looks absurdly cheap, I'll buy it right now!

>>718134293
Shut the fuck up tranny faggot

>>718134147
it's less gay than using the analogy patches lmoa

also, here is a build for getting into Human Plus in less than 10 minutes
>sell everything
>copy my exact build from picrelated
>fire all the ammo you have, quit mission, you now have more than 50k of debit
>you get skullfucked and go into Human Plus

>>718134367
You should try to live a life where you don't go out of your way to find things to get mad about.

>>718134416
Of course the loser that can't handle the original controls has to use Easy Automatic/Ninja Dog too.

>>718134426
It's so funny how all Gwitch fags are trannies

>>718126543
They did some metaverse thing
You was able to play some atari 2600 tier game (3 line shooter), watch hatsune miku singing 2 opening of gundam and... Voila

>>718134303
The Gundam Battle series can be played with a menu guide pretty easily, but yeah most games on this list are japanese only.

And like I mentioned, check out that guy's other games on steam like MECHBLAZE, ARMED 7, ZANGEKI WARP, and GIGANTIC ARMY.

>>718134465
I never beat AC1 while in Human Plus myself 2bh, I just like spreading that build because it's on the same tier of doing red tearstone ring + jagged ghost blade with gold pine resin runs in Dark Souls 1
if you want I can post even more broken shit from AC1, like the fact shoulder mounted missiles are the number one problem solver when it comes to enemy ACs and annoying planes and helicopters, or maybe also the fact the Karasawa is another very good problem solver lol

>>718134303
Whatever you do, absolutely DO NOT listen to >>718134416
Human+ is literally a baby mode punishment forced on you because you failed so bad at playing the game.

>>718134465
also, automatic in racing games is absolutely awful, I recently tried it for the first time in more than a decade and all of my times were much worse than when I was playing on manual

>>718134581
Human+ is just an easter egg. Nobody is going 50k in debt from pure bad play without quitting the game. It doesn't even make the game easier in any substantial way unless you do it 8 times over lol, no new player is accidentally stumbling into that.

>>718134487
Would you care to explain how it became the only financially successful product to have an exclusively transexual audience despite being primarily relevant in countries that don't have burger obsession with minorities then or are you just going to 41% yourself when you stop pretending you don't like sucking cock while wearing dresses tranny brain

>>718134581
and yet that "punishment" gives perks like stupid fast energy regen. while it as a matter of fact is easy mode it's also fun to fuck about with it. it's also the only way to get 101% at the game without having a single failed mission IIRC. getting into Human Plus resets your stats from what I remember...

>>718134704
Holy shit I couldn't read through your post you're so fucking whiney

>>718133869
Kek do you have more like this

>>718134621
Easy Automatic refers to the DMC1 difficulty unlocked after dying enough times in the first level.
>>718134701
No, it's an easy mode. It's not even the only game to do this.

>>718132329
Really is a sad state of affairs when the anime tie in is a better product

>>718134701
>Nobody is going 50k in debt from pure bad play without quitting the game.
I see you weren't ever a child nor have ever known any
>>718134581
Human+ is fun as fuck but it should be left for a second playthrough in all games/forms

>>718134779
Kill yourself and all 8 of your street shitting siblings Rakesh

>>718134921
Awww what are you hating on indians for bro? They're the only creatures that would be willing to fuck you

I just started playing Armored Core 1, and I hate how you can actually go in debt
Even with analog controls, the movements feels stiff because you can only go through 8 directions
Should I start from scratch?
I don't know anything about builds. Is this the kind of game you actually have to keep buying shit to keep up with the difficulty? Should I keep a gameFAQ guide open while playing this again?

>whenever you call out a jeet they start posting their weird masturbation fantasies
It's an insult to animals to even call them that.

>>718134851
>>718134717
>>718134909
You only get a free radar and a janky blade launch from it. You get back weapons firing without crouch after doing it four times, which is nice but not a big deal. You only get the energy buff after 8 resets.
If you are so bad you somehow went four hundred thousand dollars in debt because you just can't play the game and you naturally reset 8 times over from just failing missions, doubled energy isn't doing shit for you. You're never beating the game any which way.

>>718134851
I never played Devil May Cry if not for maybe an hour, the environments are extremely pretty, it really showed it was made by the same people that make Resident Evil. may I should get to play DMC1 one of these days

>>718135062
just copy my build from >>718133928 and enjoy absolutely shredding the game apart with zero effort. you get better parts later or, and it doesn't take an engineer or an accountant to realize which parts are good and which are shit

>>718135237
anon there are some weapons like the autocannon arms and the back mounted Gatling cannon that fire expensive as shit ammo and also have a very high rate of fire, getting into Human Plus +8 is literally a matter of 10 minutes if you use those and intentionally quit missions lol

>>718135274
Okay, i'm gonna start all over since i'm like in debt for 20K. and gonna copy your built

>>718135237
Doesn't change the fact that it's an easy mode. You could say the same shit for Easy Automatic and Ninja Dog. They're still easy modes.

>>718135062
Just restart and learn the mechanics the right way. Don't essentially cheat your way through. You'll never improve or learn anything and be fucked when the later entries remove that shit.

>>718135237
I see you've moved the goalpost from merely getting it once to getting all powers now, okay
yeah probably very few people got all H+ powers "naturally" but I bet a lot of people got one, wondered what the fuck and found out there were more to get which is how most people play video games

>>718135380
Yeah I'm sure they intended for new players to follow a guide on optimized debt increasing strategies in order to unlock a crazy secret 8 times over, and that's their intended easy mode for new players who can't play good.
>>718135458
Those are startup game difficulty settings that actively advertise themselves as babby mode. You don't have to do a secret handshake fifteen times in a back alley and then jump off a bridge backwards and land on your spine to unlock "swing your sword 10% faster", and that's easy mode.
>>718135541
I've never changed my point. It's a secret unlock they don't expect new players to find and it also makes the game easier. That's not an easy mode. That's a secret. It's finding a god mode power up at the end of a lengthy hidden quest chain.

>>718107890 (OP)
Because you only need 1 game to have your Gundam fill.

>>718135274
>may
maybe
>>718135435
just keep these things in mind
>energy weapons don't cost money to fire, unlike any other kind of weapon
1. some enemies (not many) are extremely resistant to energy weapons
2. if you go for an energy weapons based build, you absolutely have to build you AC around it, which means maximizing reactor recharge time, and keeping energy consumption at the absolute lowest possible
3. don't ever go for a low weight melee based AC, if you meet enemy AC you absolutely cannot deal with your AC you should consider building a missile boat and play AC the same way you'd play MechWarrior or something

>>718135661
You can't select Easy Automatic and Ninja Dog at the start.
You have to unlock them by dying, i.e. failing to play the game competently, just like Human+.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. It's time to shut up instead of desperately trying to get the last word in.

>>718135661
>Yeah I'm sure they intended for new players to follow a guide on optimized debt increasing strategies in order to unlock a crazy secret 8 times over, and that's their intended easy mode for new players who can't play good.
if you pay attention to the post mission screen you should realize firing weapons can cost shitloads of money. if you also pay attention to the garage you should notice some weapons are like the ones I mentioned before.

and no it definitely isn't the intended way to play, neither is getting the Zweihander right off the bat in Dark Souls

>>718135827
>they didn't intend for you to use this weapon directly next to the starter area
What?

>>718135516
>You'll never improve or learn anything and be fucked when the later entries remove that shit.
Remove the debt?
I think that's a good thing, gives you some room for experimentation.
>>718135693
>>energy weapons don't cost money to fire, unlike any other kind of weapon
Wait so If I used Rifle, that doesn't cost me anything?
Also thanks for the tips, I'm thinking of building an energy builds when i get the chance

>>718135959
They remove Human+ easy mode. Debt is still in for a long while.
The best way to experiment with shit is saving/loading. Parts sell for 100% of their value in most entries so you don't lose money buying and reselling parts.

>>718135936
most people that played Dark Souls get shredded by the skellingtons because they start as wearrior or knight and give up on the graveyard. the funny thing is that the brigand and cleric - the best classes for getting an early Zweihander - also start with weapons that are pretty good against the skeletons
I assume most players also never bothered with fighting the skeletons with the morning star that is in Firelink Shrine

>>718135802
Comparing "die a few times a little early, which every new player will do" vs "reach the absolute maximum debt to get a secret" as exactly the same. Everyone gets it on NG and american difficulty DMC. They're really hard games.
>erm bro just walk away
Kiss my balls.
>>718135827
Why would anyone actively try to lose as much money as possible on this new game they just started playing? And then do it 8 more times lol
>>718135936
Skeleton cemetery was insanely hard on the pre-patch version of the game. You were definitely not intended to run and grab it early, unless you were specifically doing death runs to collect all the items. Then it's a hidden early reward.

Wow, From sure likes doing that. Wonder what other times they like putting in hidden rewards for smart, competent players, and not as easy modes.

>>718136043
>Everyone gets it on NG and american difficulty DMC.
It's amazing how you continue to spew bullshit even when advised to do the easiest thing in the world: keep your mouth shut. Real raised by a single mother energy.

>>718136036
>>718136043
It's really just a problem with the language of "intended", I think it was well within the realm of possibility in their minds that players would stubbornly get the item or run past the stuff and grab it since it's trivial to do so. That's why they put something nice there. It's very intentional that there's a Firekeeper's Soul a stone's throw away in New Londo that you probably didn't get in your first playthrough until you went there, and you'll know that on a second playthrough.

>>718134185
IMO, the biggest evidence for Great Man Theory's validation is not the accomplishments of celebrity figures or legends, but how much damage to society a single very incompetent man can do if given power.

>>718135959
>Wait so If I used Rifle, that doesn't cost me anything?
let's put it this way: firing the Karasawa, one of the best weapons in the game, will not cost you any money
>Also thanks for the tips, I'm thinking of building an energy builds when i get the chance
the build I posted IS an energy weapons build lol

>>718121891
Are you going to fight for spacenoid rights now anon

>die too many times in DMC
>unlock easy mode
>die too many times in NG
>unlock easy mode
>die too many times in AC
>UH YOU UNLOCK A SPECIAL SECRET MODE THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE EASIER BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT EASY MODE
lol

>>718136043
>Skeleton cemetery was insanely hard on the pre-patch version of the game
I played completely unpatched Dark Souls and it isn't that hard if you use a blunt damage weapon like the mace the cleric starts with, the morningstar from Firelink Shrine, or the reinforced club you can buy from the merchant in the Undead Burg. from what I remember in unpatched Dark Souls those weapons stagger even more than in post 1.05/PTDE Dark Souls

>>718136043
>Why would anyone actively try to lose as much money as possible on this new game they just started playing? And then do it 8 more times lol
because they either read a guide or an annoying nigger on 4chan told them about the Human Plus rewards lol
also the human plus method most people use takes a shitton of time to do. from what I'm guessing most people go into Human Plus by
>picking weapons that are extremely expensive to use
>failing multiple random missions
>playing "remove the worker robots" and accidentally blowing up the reactors

>>718136043
my first playthrough of AC2 I unlocked the first H+ myself by getting into debt
it isn't that hard to suck at them that much, children suck at things all the time

>>718136339
stupid sexy Zaku I

>>718110345
Kind of suck imo (played GM and did pretty well) the game was absurdly phoned in and it felt extremely lazy. was fun for a month or two though.

>>718125849
>oh cool knight mechs, looks sweet and metal as fuck
>try watching it
>it's the girliest shit imaginable, focusing on which dude the gets the main chick's panties wet, using fucking astrology and horoscopes to solve problems

>>718110219
god i wish gbo2 was good instead of bad. i had a lot of fun before i gave up and uninstalled it

>>718136181
>It's very intentional that there's a Firekeeper's Soul a stone's throw away in New Londo that you probably didn't get in your first playthrough until you went there, and you'll know that on a second playthrough.
what about the fact there is a blacksmith in New London? how many people do you think know about him, percentage wise? New Londo also has
>the Estoc, a really good dex weapon
>ghosts that can drop the Jagged Ghost Blade, a weapon that is literally SO GOOD it lets you beat the game without spending a single soul if you use the Red Tearstone Ring and are good at the game

>>718136956
*New Londo
I hate autocorrect

>>718136931
It would be cool to get a GBO3 that wasn't a clunky animation cancelling stunfest on clusterfuck maps with absurd powercreep at every cost and zero reason to get out of your suit

>>718136931
Some of the new MS that have been added are pretty fun but ranked is a diceroll of cheaters and the game lagging out/shitting itself.
And ofc, you're still at the mercy of fucking gacha to actually get those cool new MS. I want F91 MS a lot but I'd have to save up a retarded amount of tokens to get through a 'guaranteed' stage drop banner.

>>718137158
God forbid Bamco from ever making a good Gundam game, sorry.

>>718136546
>I played completely unpatched Dark Souls
I played it a couple years back
From my experience, the early game really doesn't change all that much, the changes start compounding over time and you start feeling them later. You feel chronically underlevelled and starved. Not a... bad experience, but, definitely one that was only fun because I knew what I was doing, and already know how to scrape in Dark Souls. If that was my first experience with the game, and the series, I probably would have hated it, honestly. Neat as a historical piece, fun as a mix up, but, I see why they changed shit.
Unpatched Lost Izaleth can go straight to fucking hell, though.

>>718136956
You're not killing the ghosts without getting cursed which really fucks you up for a long while if you play the original.

>>718136160
Got any more five dollar zoomerisms or are you just gonna start gently weeping now?
>>718136546
>because they either read a guide or an annoying nigger on 4chan told them about the Human Plus rewards lol
Exactly!

>>718137158
I like the animation canceling stun based combat though, it's fun and unique. It's just everything else about the game is done badly.

>>718110345
Mahiroo my beloved
I miss you so much

>>718137668
to each their own but I think it and the forced class triangle are blights
Rolling around looks completely fucking retarded too

>>718137448
being underleveled isn't a problem, the Reinforced Club aka "problem" solver exists, also unpatched Dark Souls has the Darkwood Grain ring that lets you ninjaflip at <50% equip burden lol

>>718137549
why are you implying unpatched Dark Souls doesn't have the transitient curse?

>>718136546
>because they either read a guide or an annoying nigger on 4chan told them about the Human Plus rewards lol
Or you just suck at the game, use high ammo weapons and fail a few missions, it actually isn't that hard to get and I don't know how none of you realize this game was played by 8 year olds

>>718110219
Good god, who came up with this garbage template, bluesky? The sheer inability to communicate matches.

>>718137867
Peak retard

>>718137759
A new player isn't going to be aware of how ghosts/curse works and unpatched only had them as a rare drop and in extremely limited quantities in the world. The cure for curse was also a limited item.

>>718137970
man getting cursed in the intended form of dark souls is such a wild ride
>5 purging stones from one out of the way merchant that has been accidentally killed by a ton of players
>can get one from a crow trade, hidden and extremely unintuitive
>once those are gone your ONLY option is farming an enemy that only appears in a post-lord vessel zone or in the ASH LAKE
if you got cursed more than 5 times you were basically fucked lol

>>718137970
Unpatched still had them as loot in the same places, the only change was merchants selling infinite amounts.
1.0 also had tons of broken shit for (you) to exploit too. CRS is a giggle.

>>718138205
>got cursed in the sewers and in Great Hollow that my asshole friend lured me into maliciously, come to think of it all of his advice was only ever the hardest way to do things
>as Miyazaki intended

>>718138248
There's 2 in New Londo and 4 sold by a merchant. 6 in total means extremely limited quantities, which is what I said, faggot.

>>718124696
What the fuck are you arguing? Your argument boils down to "if you win it means you're a winner" yeah, no shit, it's a tautology.

You can look at the toll war took on each individual and immediately notice how war destroyed their lives and how they're all hunted and dysfunctional human beings for it. Their faction won? Ok, nice. Now there's more war incoming and a lot of good people still lost their lives meaninglessly.

Gquuuuuux is about a parallel timeline in which Zeon won the war and it's still miserable as fuck so your point dimply doesn't stand.

>>718138387
There's still plenty for you to do what you need to do, it isn't that big a constraint.

>>718138387
There's 6 in new Londo bro and ghosts drop the shit out of them.

I'm surprised a mecha thread lasted to page 10

>>718138451
Farming a 1% drop? Yeah right.
>>718138493
There are only 2 in New Londo unpatched.

>>718125620
Zeon only lost because of a civil war
The Titans only lost because of a civil war
Neo Zeon only lost because of a civil war

>>718138598
Zeon didn't have a civil war.

>>718138638
yeah totally didn't have infighting factions between kycilia and gihren and they didn't fragment after the war because of that and degwin totally died on accident also

>>718138525
eat your fucking carrots Uraki

>>718138715
>totally didn't have infighting factions between kycilia and gihren
Correct.
No armed combat=no war.
And no, two assassinations does not count as combat.

>>718138903
You're right, totally wasn't a large fracturing of the Zeon space forces when Gihren blew up the majority of Degwin's fleet (not just him nor even just his own personal ship, his fleet) with a giant space laser
not at all a civil war that two major heads of state had such a disagreement one side's forces were betraying the other and got vaporized for it
I guess your next claim will have to be it had to be an actual battle or series of battles to be a civil war, but fact is it's political infighting and a fracturing of Zeon's military in a pivotal operation that singlehandedly destroyed any chances of victory at A Baoa Qu.

>>718137609
Human Plus is easy mode and you got raped.

>>718139285
Shut up loser I'm right you're wrong.