Thread 718313153

Why has no ARPG ever topped Diablo 2? It's 25 years old and still the best one.

Atmosphere is supreme. No ARPG and even few non-ARPGs come close to touching D2's sound/visuals.
The THWACK of a weapon, the HUP of the Barbarian, the devastated howl and release of the soul of a Dark Ranger upon death, are perfection.

>>718313153 (OP)
It's already been topped by Path Of Exile.

>>718313153 (OP)
> Our initial priority was to get a guy moving around on the screen and hacking monsters. This is what players would be doing most of the time, and it had to be fun.
> Most importantly, it allowed us to determine what was fun to do, so we could provide more of it, and discover what was awkward or boring, so we could modify or remove it.
> We strive to hire people who love games, and we make games that we want to play.
> As a team, we don't have to wonder what our audience wants, because we are our audience.
> We got the opportunity to make the game we wanted to make - and the game we wanted to play

https://web.archive.org/web/20120421203803/https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131533/postmortem_blizzards_diablo_ii.php?print=1

>>718314021
>run around one shotting everything with the exact same build on every class to get 50 drops on one dude
no it hasn't

Gauntlet's funner.

Play WildTangent's FATE.

>>718313153 (OP)
I know the answer. It's because every single game that came afterwards tried hard to NOT be Diablo 2. There are no other games in the entire fucking genre with staple spells like fireball or lightning. It's all OC donut steal spells because more complex = betterer. Even Diablo 3 fell for that trap.
I just want my character to be able to output damage that kills monsters in a way that isn't annoying. Apparently that's too much to ask from the genre..

>>718313153 (OP)
because it was a game with a start and an end.
it wasn't designed around an end-game loop.
it wasn't designed around blasting screens while moving at 9000 mph.
it wasn't designed around an autistically high skill floor that requires esoteric knowledge just to start playing.

>>718316895
By
>with a start and an end
you mean no NG+ or free roam, right?

>>718313153 (OP)
I like Sacred though

>>718317008
oh yeah well rank the classes then

>>718314185
sounds like the complete opposite of most modern AAA game design

>>718313153 (OP)
Fate was pretty fun.
>>718314021
>path of SLOP
no

>>718316973
you kill diablo/baal and you've beat the game.
you can go to hell difficulty if you want.
you can interpret nightmare and hell as ng+.
the entire game is "free roam" especially once you've completed a difficulty there is no area you can't access.

>>718313153 (OP)
D2 is the most overrated game of all time, that's why.

>>718317054
Uh, OP Night Elf, decent Gladatior, shit rest

>>718313153 (OP)
Last Epoch unironically topped it. I can't think of a single thing that's worse in LE and several things that are way better.

>>718317292
>game only lasts a few hours
lmao
>game is free roam
total delusion

>>718319465
didn't ask. I'm having fun playing.

>>718313153 (OP)
Because no other game has managed to have such an unobtrusive story that is still satisfying to play through, and most other games are too scared to do the best piece of D2's late game design: elemental immunes.
Most also fail to provide any good reason to desire sub-rare loot. D2 isn't even THAT good at that but it's better than most by a lot. It also had some actual restraint in loot dropping so every run wasn't actually resulting in a hundred trinkets to collect and dismantle or sell for bullshit before you do the next one.

>>718314185
based condor devs

Diablo 2 game mechanics are all garbage and it got worse with every update

>>718319565
>negromancer
based

there is a story telling disease in modern game development that study of diablo 2 might remedy

>>718313153 (OP)
Many, many have
Diablo 2 'works' because you know 100% what to expect. There is very, very little RNG in it outside of the drops

You know the best way to get SoJ is to run Andy. You know the best way to farm is a sorc on Meph Nightmare
You know the safest class is summon necromancer

It's solved. That is why it is 'good'
it has utter bullshit and evne with guides some of it is utter bullshit but it's why it's 'fun' for spergs. The gameplay loop is so, so fucking safe, it's like walking to the store for milk and back and each day there might be a chance you get a candy bar but the walk doesn't change, the store doesn't change, the staff don't change, just the chance of that candy bar keeps the addiction going.

>>718319565
>censored version
I hope you didn't pay for it.

>>718320695
>The gameplay loop is so fucking safe
What does this really mean? Yeah, the whole game is clicking shit and the late game is tons of runs skilling and gearing out your character, but the point is the gameplay's fun. When you stop having fun with the loop you stop playing.
What's an unsafe gameplay loop?

Ah yes, D2 the game everyone circlejerks but no one actually plays anymore.

>>718320695
people weren't familiar at all with the game when it first came out, yet it will still a huge success
and there are other arpgs that are just as "solved" and not as popular

>>718320695
nope. you don't get it.

>>718321023
It has a pretty healthy population for a 20+ year old game, and any way you wanna try and spin it the whole genre hasn't meaningfully improved since it. No truly interesting innovation except for turning the knobs higher on loot pinatas to strip mine your dopamine faster.

>>718314185
So why'd they put that fucking stamina bar there then

>>718317397
>>718317054
Daemon > Seraphim >>>>> shit >>>>>>>>rest

>>718320828
>>censored
???

>>718321453
I remember reading it's the devs' biggest regret about the game

>>718321657
Uglified females and censored dialogue to appease the Modern Audience™ (that doesn't buy games).

>>718321657
schizos gonna schizo.
probably something about the succubus and andy not having their tits hanging out.

>>718321767
what dialogue did they change?

>>718313153 (OP)
You ever get the impression mods are trying to flood /v/, and by extension 4chan, with retarded normalfags on purpose? No one that belongs here would make this thread every day or play this awful game 24/7. This is just straight up embarassing at this point. Move on and play something else.

>>718313153 (OP)
Bros... i literally cant find other game better than this. I want to try new things but i immediately find them boring.
The only games that i find attractive are the ones with roll stats at the start but lack meaning, playability.
This game consumes so little resources that my very old vga lit dont even turn on its fans and can be played for days.

There is no making a better game than this, After like 20 years playing it i couldnt find anything better. It is so simple yet after 20 years i still learn new things about it.
There is no toping it frens...

>>718321453
That's a non issue the moment you reach act 2, 3 at the latest. And the occasional stamina pot fixes it in the meantime.
If you're hellbent on not using pots then you can stand still until it starts recharging, toggle to Walk and more while it recharges. Then toggle back to Run when the meter is full.

>>718321767
sorry I didn't play the game to jack off to the amazon so I don't care

>>718321824
how is it schizo if you yourself could point out censorship in the game?

>>718322002
funny that they patched it in d2r so you don't need to stop for it to start recharging, so that minor mechanical nuance was removed. they probably wanted to just remove it but didn't want to face the scorn of the purists.

>>718322002
It's not really a non-issue since the lack of blocking while running is still a stupid decision

>>718320918
It's safe in that outside of hardcore mode, there is no loss of things anymore

>>718321060
There aren't any other ARPGs that are as solved.
Possibly Diablo 3 as it is very much a carbon copy of Diablo 2

>>718321159
Not an argument

>>718321917
>Bros... i literally cant find other game better than this
You probably don't like video games then, as RPGs are to /v/ what fast food threads are to /ck/.

>>718322018
they didn't hide their tits though?

>>718322103
I don't really get the hate for III.

>>718322103
>It's safe in that outside of hardcore mode, there is no loss of things anymore
Well, yeah? That is why there's a hardcore mode. If you lost your shit on death (or lost more than a little XP and gold as is the real case) people wouldn't have had as much fun with it.

>>718322103
>Diablo 3 as it is very much a carbon copy of Diablo 2
hahahaha holy fuck man just go back to your anime horse racing game and stop embarrassing yourself.

>>718321894
Think of the poor vertically challenged people! Ths is the most well known example. If they go out of their way to "fix" shit like this, you can bet your ass there's more that was "fixed".

>>718313153 (OP)
The soundtrack is nice but this game is actual dogshit. I have no idea how low IQ someone has to be to sink hundreds of hours into what arguably has significantly less gameplay than cookie clicker. And then continue doing that for decades. How does a person like that exist?

>>718322016
It's ma'amazon! And that's not the only one that got hit with the ugly stick.

>>718313396
this is true in D2's situation. Oh how disappointed i have been in the last decade, how naive we all were, growing up with masterpieces like D2+DoW1, thinking;
>man, gaming has come soo far, this is incredible stuff, i can't wait to see what comes next, its going to be earth-shattering!
instead it was only wallet-shattering and profit-shattering for kikes. The quality has only dropped as the graphical fidelity has grown.

>>718322231
that's hilarious but I've literally never listened to anything but some of the act boss quest dialogue in 25 years.

>>718322216
>>718322148

>>718322231
Oh no, the game's fucking ruined now that they removed three inconsequential words and still left in the midget minions that absolutely assfuck you through the entire jungle

>>718322148
It's mostly from the real money cash shop and the lack of a proper summoner style

>>718322216
>I can't argue so I'll troll
ok

>>718322189
It's funny you're bringing that up.
People who enjoy it fall into two campas
spergs (these still play it today) and people who played it as kids and had 'fun' because they had time to shit out

>>718313153 (OP)
Why do these threads always seem like one moron inorganically replying to himself? There's no way blizzard is paying for this, is it just autism?

>>718322407
It's mostly because D3 aped the cartoony WoW artstyle, has a completely retarded plot, has no characterization beyond gearing because you're not locked into any build choices since there are no build choices, playing through the story isn't done because the story is a fucking chore and skippable instead for a contextless void of ever-increasing loot pinatas to farm to get bigger and bigger piles of bullshit to sort through

It is extremely different to D2.

>>718322398
>it's only a little bit of censorship goy
Get back in the oven.

>>718319352
while D2's combat and gear-combinations has become obviously outdated, LE's combat is trash and dull, if its not fun to combat opponents its not worth playing.

>>718320392
the D2 cinematics are of such incredible atmosphere, artistic integrity, and general quality that literally only 1 non-blizzard game ever, had a cinematic that came close, which was Dawn of War 1, and it was very short and simple. Ironically both games of which have been remastered recently for the modern audience, including the cinematics/trailers.

youtu.be/iS7l3C4_N1I?si=KaPNT4yCvj7QLayA
youtu.be/2HiUectTy9Y?si=wHFK-pYajW1AP_Uu

>>718322582
brother find something better to do with your life than care that they decided they didn't want to call things midgets in their game
do anything but fight the imagined culture war in your head on a mongolian basket weaving forum

>>718322423
>Why do these threads always seem like one moron inorganically replying to himself
Because it is. There was a diablo general on /vg/ and it died due to inactivity. /vg/ trained OP to spend days, months even, bumping a shitty thread and talking himself.

>>718322148
you'll have to go watch videos breaking it down, i enjoyed it but found it a massive disappointment myself. I grew up in love with D2.

>>718322231
kek, another woke remake dodged, never give Lizzard your money, they haven't deserved it for 15 years+ now.

Which offline ARPGs have a fun necromancer class? I like Diablo 2 and Grim Dawn. My friend likes Last Epoch a lot, but I haven't bought it yet.

>>718313153 (OP)
This thread has zero actual gameplay discussion in it. It's all false and repetitive premisises leading to superficial statements which have been repeated thousands of times. It's like an elder scrolls thread.

>>718322714
I don't care about DoW's cutscenes but D2's are actually masterful. The cinematic storyline following Marius is actually just completely perfect.

>>718322943
>offline
Just play vampire survivors at that point

>>718322945
Because D2 gameplay sucks

>>718319565
>resurrected garbage
Go shill your shit elsewhere.
When they launched diablo 3 i was so dissapointed... i went to the forum and wrote a walltext about it. Also said that i expected a diablo 2 with better visuals and improved skill system, new classes, new runeword... because what they literally had to do is keep the story and improve the legendary game they had in hands.
THEY STILL FAILED.

I will never see a segsy amazon with current technology in visuals in 3d. Ever. Or well animated, with deep customization. Improved isometric camera (prob 360 turn and zoom). Etc...

>>718322829
>>718322398
>stop caring about cultural subversion and mass-censorship at every level on behalf of psychotic marxist cunts
>psychotic marxist drones who themselves can't create anything of worth to save their lives, so they dedicate themselves to poisoning and destroying the works of their betters.
>its cringe to care that they're doing it, you're not supposed to comment on it goy
kys faggot.

>>718322423
Every single board has ritual posters and cringy autists who spam the same threads/topics endlessly. This one is harmless in comparison to most of them, not to mention, OP is correct, as there's many elements to Diablo 2 that has never even been equaled to this day by newer games.

>>718322131
>RPGs are to /v/ what fast food threads are to /ck/.
This is actually a perfect description of what's killing /v/, holy hell.

>>718313153 (OP)
Simple enough mechanics and best atmosphere ever

>>718322423
>>718313153 (OP)

samefag with schizophrenia

>>718322829
No. I will keep informing people that a so-called remaster is actively censoring it's own namesake, shitting on the fans that are supposed to be it's core demographic, for the sake of appealing to a demographic that do not and never will buy games.

>>718323112
>This one is harmless in comparison to most of them
The only thread on the catalogue worse than this is the naruto thread. Go play an actual real video game. Good lord.

>>718322958
I was specifically referring to DoW1's starting cutscene as you start up the game. Its the only one that holds a candle to D2's cinematics, the 2 sequels cinematics were also pretty good but D2 trumps both of those with ease.

>>718313396
>Atmosphere is supreme.
>>718323138
>best atmosphere ever
It's evident, isn't it? Op might be lame.

>>718313153 (OP)
builder+spender being tied to skills is dumb and d2 doesn't have that

>>718313153 (OP)
Sacred GOLD is better, NoX is better, Divine Divinity is better.

>>718323087
blizzard north devs were actually making that game you wanted, but the Activision/Kotick cancer had already set in at that point, and they fired the entire dev team+started over 3 years into development, because they wanted to monetise the game more and the work done thus far wouldn't work with it.

>>718322945
That's how all these silly opinionated threads go. No interests allowed that do not match Mine.

Anyway for me it's Grim Dawn.
>https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-lore-notes-pdf-and-ebook-epub-new-update-1-1-9-0/50203

>>718323112
okay champ go get em

>>718313153 (OP)
I honestly kinda like Diablo 1 more than 2.

>>718323197
no anon, you are the autist spamming. Get help. I havent touched D2 in many years, im merely discussing the game and the general failings of the arpg genre itself.

Halls of Torment has been the best spiritual sequel to Diablo 2 frankly, and that's bloody embarrassing as its a budget indie roguelite.

>>718323321
Grim Dawn is a retard game, same as any other ARPG. I played it for 7 hours and couldn't continue any more. It's insanely boring and repetitive. Someone will make a post saying they have 3000 hours in the game, but I don't see this as an argument, as nothing in that 3000 hours will look different from 7 hours. Really disappointed people unironically praise this, it is very bad. I don't think this genre needs 24/7 threads.

>>718319352
>last epoch is better than diablo 2
that is one of the most retarded things i have ever read.

>>718323542
>I havent touched D2 in many years
Don't make a thread on it every single day then.

>>718323576
Haven fun playing Path of Exile while not having access to your own save files and not being able to play whenever their servers are down.

>>718319352
LE has some of the worst music, sound design, voice acting, writing, and environmental effects I've seen in a mainstream ARPG. Gameplay wise the game is a total clusterfuck but not as much of a clusterfuck as PoE1.
There is some glory to the clusterfuck of PoE1. It is absolute chaos. Then you have D1/2 that are much more grounded. LE is an unhappy middle ground.

>>718323117
Except the fastfood threads are actual shilling. Nonstop reminding that [thing] exists makes you more likely to choose that specific [thing] the next time you're going to buy something from the category [thing] belongs to, if you aren't already settled on a specific thing. It's the same reason commercials for unsexy shit like hygiene pads, diapers, dishsoap, etc. gets spammed a lot more than other things.

>>718323736
>Haven fun playing Path of Exile
When I play path of exile I play a league every 5+ years and then move on and play other video games in other genres like a sane person, instead of spamming the board every day like some brony with aspergers.

Diablo II is boring and current-state Diablo III is unironically more fun, engaging, and less of a chore to play.

>>718322398
>they removed three inconsequential words
Why did they do it?

>>718323903
Why not? Stop noticing and buy Diablo 6 on your phone.

>>718323765
>Except the fastfood threads are actual shilling.
Not any more than these threads no. There was a retard who actually paid for a pass because his taco bell youtube review threads were getting deleted. Its all retarded normalfags posting garbage. This is EXACTLY the same as /ck/.

>>718323903
same reason we don't use gay as a synonym for happy anymore. times change over 20 years.

>>718323308
I want to end their lives and their family too.
This is the ultimate evidence that j*ws and women ruin literally everything... even a perfect game.

You really need to be the lowest human being to ruin something that is good and would make you billionaire.
How neanderthal can you be?

>>718323903
because they didn't like using midget.

>>718323887
I wish IV was as fun to play as III.

>>718323542
>HoT
>spiritual D2 sequel
wat
Did we play the same game? Because HoT sure as shit has practically nothing in common with D2. It's a fucking Vampire Survivors clone.

>>718323576
they dont call it grim yawn for nothing

>>718324207
I'm pretty sure most of the people posting in these threads never actually played d2, and if they did it was buying a grush and ubers leveling on jsp.
they definitely did not play pre 1.10 either.

>>718314185
you telling me it took 40 guys 3 years to make one of the best games of all time
and yet thousands of people working for 8-10 years spending hundreds of millions can't make a single game?

>>718324278
Everyone played D2, you aren't special for playing D2, but you are special for replying to dumb bait to keep this pseudo general alive.

>>718323087
>wanted more runewords
Opinion ignores

>>718324345
if you played d2 you wouldn't say vampire survivors is like it.

>>718323648
again anon, you are the autistic schizo here, im not the OP, you're unhinged, delusional, paranoid and need professional help. Stop posting.

>>718324207
you're one of those spergs who only think literally huh? artstyle, theme, music, atmosphere, none of those mean anything to you? you wanna scroll up, read some of the posts, then put 2 and 2 together there champ?

>>718324278
i was 13 when it came out and i was playing it on my parents dinosaur pc, the following birthday i got the LoD expansion and played that too. I still have the retail boxes around here somewhere in storage.

>>718324424
you're being schizophrenic again anon, stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you, is 1 person, get help.

>>718324282
now you understand why AAA is failing and studios are constantly closing.

>>718324282
>yet thousands of people working for 8-10 years spending hundreds of millions can't make a single game
because 70% of those people, probably more, are dead weight or arent even actually working on the game. You'll have some shit like "Minister of Meetings, Junior Executive to the Middle Management Senior Assistant Lead" raking in 200k and you need to book a conference room 4 weeks in advance so you can actually sit down and work out some game systems. Then your smelly troon co worker has an anxiety attack and takes a 5 month paid mental health leave.

>>718324370
More runewords good but only if they rebelance the uniques and sets. D2's biggest gameplay flaw is still that you can't approach Spirit's effects with anything else for so, so long.

>>718324482
>AAA
>failing
I wish lmao

>>718324345
if you played d2 you wouldn't say d3 is a carbon copy of it.

>>718324424
Vampire survivors is a perfect description of Diablo 2, especially offline diablo 2, (lol) as its identical low engagement non-gameplay where you just mow down endless hordes of enemies. Hell, vampire saviors might have more meat on its bones than diablo, and that's really saying something.

>>718324656
>t. never played d2

In ten minutes, I'm already clearing the Den of Evil and going to tackle the brunt of Act 1. An hour in, I'm already deep enough to have a build set for my current character. Despite the game having cinematics, they aren't imposed on you every time you start a new character. It's not a slog either, it's very considerate of your time.

>>718322231
I'm convinced they changed this just to trigger the schizos, 0.1% of the playerbase even goes to listen natalya's dialogue

>>718324702
>it's very considerate of your time

>>718324702
Perhaps most importantly you can replay that first hour or 5 hours with the same character and have a different build.

>>718323887
III is a straight up arcade game. Which is fine, I respect III more than IV. D2 and 1 still mog though.

>>718324459
They're not even the same genre. That's like saying Dark Souls is the spiritual sequel to the Notre Dame chapel because they both feature a vaguely similar architecture in certain places.

>>718324787
>III is a straight up arcade game.
Arcade as opposed to what?

Diablo 1 is genuinely kino and I highly recommend it with the DevolutionX mod.

>>718324007
Localizing a game already in English, couldn't be me.

Play some mods like Eastern Sun or Median XL or Hell Unleashed.

>>718324563
Its all the same dogshit dude. In fact its so bad I think if you "play" ARPGs offline you aren't even playing a video game at all, as the only appeal to these games is entirely social, otherwise they are just low engagement time wasters. Diablo 2 is a bad game. All these clones of it are bad as well.

>>718324941
why are you posting the same image twice?

>>718324759
If you know the character + layout, you won't have a problem navigating the area. Moreso if you're a sorceress.
>automap in the center
Put it in the corner and your issues are downplayed even more.

>>718324823
im sorry, i can't help you. You're too smooth brained, stick to laughing at silly memes on instagram anon.

>>718324873
you too, write a post with substance or dont bother.

>>718314185
This is just the PR talk of the time anon, it's very similar to the stuff modern devs say today.

>>718325092
>If you know the character + layout, you won't have a problem navigating the area.
Right, what about new players and their time?

>>718324370
They did, they didnt ignore me. Imagine their desperation to hear my call, and no one ever listens to me.
>>718324531
I agree... i think they could make uniques more interesting.
>>718324702
You cant pass through hell so fast. Nightmare is the most fun because a character reaches good potential and nightmare has no immunities. Also not every character can deal elemental damage and some are items dependant.

>>718324878
No good game has ever been described as "kino".

>>718325029
>turn the game into poe
no.

>>718325030
He'll just run away and go back to replying to himself now.

>>718325123
give an example

>>718325148
Well you should try it out, because it is cool.
I like the normal -> magic -> unique loot system more than D2's.

>>718325030
>I don't like the game
ok. I do like the game. not sure what your point is.

>>718313153 (OP)
Runewords ruined this game.
They are too strong and too easy to make. They completely carry you and make most loot irrelevant. I guess if you find some boots or gloves with some resists than it is cool, but otherwise it is just boring.

>>718325285
I played diablo 1 when it came out. Its not a good a game and I'm tired of people saying some endless loot treadmill where you don't even have to think about said loot is good. When you keep recommending games and they keep being shit I'm not going to listen to you any more.

>>718325396
I don't see how someone can like Diablo 2 (I assume you do considering this thread) and then not like Diablo 1. You can think D2 is better as an evolution of it, but D1 is just a fun little dungeon crawler.

>>718325143
>I have to grasp a game the first time around
or
>he got filtered by Act 3 being a literal jungle to navigate
No excuses. Take your time and LEARN the layouts.

>>718325146
By the time you're qualified to start Hell, you're gonna want to try to set your character up to match up with its bullshit. Nightmare is a good place to end, but Hell isn't mandatory, you're only doing Hell because you can, not because you have to.

>>718325309
You repeatedly said no one played the game. That's wrong. Almost everyone has played D2, they just moved on.
>>718325346
This is wrong, the itemization in d2 is not robust enough to be ruined by runewords. Even without runewords there is never any reason to pick up even a single item. All of your upgrades will be from the trader and gamble. The probability of picking a genuine upgrade off the floor is so low that it's a waste of time to even look at items instead of just picking up what ever has high sale value, at which point even that becomes pointless as you'll get so much gold passively you'll constantly max it anyways.

All runewords did was add actual economy and longevity to multiplayer, as end game players repeatedly consume runes to roll for perfect stats on gear, and all runes can be upgraded to higher tiers, making them the perfect currency. I am highly suspicious of anyone crying about runewords, it's always a complete nitwit pretending single player d2 has something of value.

>>718313153 (OP)
That's enough ARPG threads for this decade.

>>718325613
You are ignoring the "respect the player's time" bit; needing to know the layout of an obtuse area is not respecting the player's time.

>>718314293
This is literally what equipping an enigma and teleporting through zones killing the same 4 bosses for thousands of times is. Every ARPG has min-maxing, retard lol

>>718313153 (OP)
>everyone skips the main game to farm baal hell for the best gear
>wiki meta
>turns into minmaxing simulator at the end
it used to be great. nowadays it's merely a shadow of its former self

>>718322132
oh, it's even worse then because you're making assumptions of what strangers think, a schizo behavior

>>718325727
I think rare and expensive runewords are fine in concept, but you can't think shit like Stealth, Lore, Strength, Spirit, Insight, etc aren't all just too strong and make the journey towards end game farms feel like going through the motions.

>>718322582
OYYY VEYYYYYYY anti-semite! you'll pay for this

Diablo 4 is the best in the genre and it isn't close. Grim Dawn and Titan Quest are as good or better than D2 depending on how much you like the setting. Last Epoch and Torchlight are up there, but lack refinement. PoE2 had promise, but it's just turning into PoE which is everything bad about ARPGs.

>>718325613
>By the time you're qualified to start Hell, you're gonna want to try to set your character up to match up with its bullshit. Nightmare is a good place to end, but Hell isn't mandatory, you're only doing Hell because you can, not because you have to.
Is this some kind of cope for being bad at game? If you are not up to its challenges then is not the game issue.

>>718325870
>it used to be great
bulldozing through every difficulty in under 10 hours doesn't improve the game. they skip it because its boring. because the game is boring.

>>718325782
If you have fun doing it time consumption is irrelevant.

How much of a pain in the ass would it be to get this running on my Steam Deck? Diablo IV is awful. Why didn't they just put this on Steam?

>>718313153 (OP)
because it wasn't designed around end game

d2 players are just as dumb as the people still out there playing starcraft 1

>>718325782
When you're starting up the game, you aren't bogged by cutscenes or tutorials. You jump in the game, go where you need to go and that's that. By the time you're in Act 3, you got everything you need to keep going. Stop making excuses just because you can't speedrun a game the way you want.

>>718326057
>If you have fun doing it
Ah yes, Flayer Jungle, everybody's favorite part of D2.

>>718326008
Lmao. D4 is the worst out of all those games.

>>718326045
>the game's boring don't play it, just grind for the best gear to, uh...
most retarded post of the day

>>718325030
It's strange that people who praise d2 never play trapsin. I have never seen a screenshot or webm of trapsin outside of this webm. Which is weird because it's an incredibly strong class.

>>718325870
if you don't like the online meta you can always play offline. it also gives you access to /players command.

>>718326038
I'm telling that other guy that Hell isn't supposed to be breezed through, Hell is the endgame. If you're staring from Normal mode as a returning player, you're gonna know what to do and without any tutorials or cutscenes slowing you down, you can make it through Normal mode in a short time.

>>718326130
Yeah you have to be pretty retarded to play ARPGs for 2 decades straight.

>>718326180
You'd have a point if it wasn't Resurrected newfags played.

>>718326180
>oy veyyyy... it's so le... CLUNKY frfr *skull emoji*

case in point:

>>718326089
if you have to ask then it's probably too complex for you.
getting shit running on the deck is as easy as "add a non-steam game to my library".

>>718325976
>the journey towards end game farms feel like going through the motions
You ignored my entire post. I just explained how it already feels like that. You just don't know how the game works.

>>718326201
it's non-interactive, like summoner, but without the comfort of playing a summoner.

>>718326246
Yes, hc hell. And hell is designed to kill any character no matter how good you are or how good ur build is.

>>718326348
Listen here, you smarmy, smug KIKE nonsteamlaunchers got REMOVED.

>>718326471
>And hell is designed to kill any character no matter how good you are or how good ur build is.
no it isnt lol

>>718326478
not gonna dust off my 'eck just to prove the point. there's lots of sun I have excess power. ask me again when the rainy weather starts and I need to switch to low power.

>>718325727
I don't understand why people complain about runes supplanting drops when drops never changed anything in the first place. Do underage retards think its some roguelite where items with slightly different stats dropping will change their entire run? Just lol. The kinds of things people post in these threads just makes my head spin, like its a few same people posting the same stupid things over and over that can't move on and can't learn anything. Its really depressing.

>>718325346
>Runewords
Completely wrong.

Synergies ruined the game. Enjoy having 2 skills you can use (one is an aura) instead of 6-8 distinct actions you cycle through.

>>718326754
in classic your best in slots are rares, like diablo 3 on launch if you played that before the expansion.
people are mad that runewords are like uniques and that they replaced rares.

>>718326546
>I'm a lazy fatass nigger
I know you are. Don't ever @ me again, KIKE.

the one thing that always pissed me off about d2
>cold sorc
>immune to cold
>can't kill it without relying on merc
it's frustrating to no end. at least you can teleport and ignore them

>>718326523
>enters throne of destruction
>elites and unique burning souls welcome you
>*cooksyouwithrays.mp4" *nothin personel, kid"
It happens.

>>718326935
It doesn't matter when rares are functionally identical to runewords. Your run isnt going to change because you got gear with slightly different stats. It just speaks to how tedious and dumb diablo is, and how subhuman and nostalgia blind the people that cling to it are.

It's literally impossible to be a white heterosexual man and not like Diablo 2 and the Remaster. If you don't like this game you are brown or a queer, no exceptions

>>718316827
>I just want my character to be able to output damage that kills monsters in a way that isn't annoying.
Ok.
>install grim dawn
>pick shaman
>find a two handed weapon
>pick all the shit that says lightning
>pick primal strike and bind it to left click
>hold left click and walk around smacking things with your weapon
>when you smack things with your weapon it causes a huge lightning explosion to surrounding enemies so you're not cucked for hours like D2 Barb smacking things one at a time
>if you're feeling spicy put leap on right click to move faster
>jerk off with free hand
>fall asleep after you realize you don't actually want this

Should I play project diablo 2 or median XL?

>>718327125
Why do /pol/tards think wearing a red hat makes it okay to play goyslop? I've been a member of the republican party longer than you've been alive. Every time you ask a /pol/tard what they like its always the worst most casual games imaginable. I'll side with whoever has the best taste in games and its definitely not you.

>>718327271
I haven't tried project diablo 2 yet, but personally never liked medianXL much
tried it like five times, never held my interest past act 1 nightmare

>>718327316
go on back to the poe general, tranny

>>718327271
I blame MedianXL for a lot of modern bullshit, especially in PoE. PD2 borrows a lot of modern stuff, but at least isn't excessive with it.

>>718327073
rares are not like uniques or runewords. that's the whole point of uniques. you get affixes and combinations that normally don't exist on that item slot.

>>718327271
project d2 is closer to vanilla. median xl is a complete overhaul of the game and is not similar to vanilla at all.

>>718327316
>I've been a member of the republican party longer than you've been alive.
>tranime
Terrible, get off the internet, consider self euthanasia you demented senile pervert.

>>718327427
Answer my question. Why do /pol/tards only play goyslop?
>im saving the white race by playing antiquated extremely casual games attached to bloated corporations
How does that follow, logically? No wonder you're bitter and upset when your entire personality is being nostalgic for happy meals. Its pathetic.

I'm not playing poe and I'm not discussing it. I'm playing factorio space age, and I won't discuss that either if people keep making retarded cookie cutter bait threads about it.

>>718327716
Sorry dude, I posted the red hat so my opinion is worth more than yours now. I miss Ron Paul.

>>718323576
>it's bad because
>7 hours played
>outlight lies
what a surprise
what a weird thread this turned into

>>718328495
it's not gacha or porn so this website doesn't know how to act.

>Anonipuss gets so utterly BTFO by your post that he gets you banned for "muh heckin' racisms on le bloo board"
You are the lowest of the low. Literally subhuman. You should sincerely consider suicide.

>>718328495
Anon, your meds. There is nothing that can even be conceived as false or true there.

>>718329092
>newfag buzzword right off the bat
as expected

>>718321023
I'm playing right now.

>>718328993
>Banned for racism
>On 4chan
>On ANY board
The moderation we have these days is hilariously awful

>>718326935
Uniques replaced rares when LoD launched, to the point where a crafted ring or amulet was the only thing that MIGHT be worth using over a unique. Spirit and similarly overpowered cheap runewords weren't in the game from LoD day 1.

>>718330139
There's one specific /v/ mod that'll give out bans for both racial and homophobic slurs.

>>718330273
>/v/ is moderated by discord trannies
This is common knowledge.

>>718330139
if you happen to reply to a janny having a bad day, expect to be sent off for the first excuse they can think of

>>718330224
runewords are equivalent to uniques though. they're like uniques you can target farm.

>>718330224
Depends on the slot and class. Many cases when good rares/crafted will be BiS for a ring/gloves/boots slot (and even blues for 3/20 gloves), caster amulets are usually BiS for builds that want high FCR, some want their OP circlets or druid pelts, sometimes even 4os blue body armor or shield with facets > anything else
But I will agree that for some of the most important slots (weapons, body armor, shields), it's been pretty much nothing but runewords and uniques since. Stealth in Quilted Armor lasts you till Hell most of the time.

>>718327271
if you want new skills and new stuff in general play median xl, it's fun
diablo 2 resurgence and path of diablo are also other options you can look into

>>718331048
idk I think the whole hate on runewords is just from bandwagoning their favorite influencers.
you can play classic, or check out Cactus to play older patches (very cool program, you can relive the glory days of piercing guided arrows and 1.09), if runewords are such a problem for you.

>>718331563
>1.09
Might as well go 1.08 then. When cold mastery pierced cold immune and highlords wrath and valkyrie wing where hilariously broken.

>>718323903
"Children of Zakrum" sounds like a cult of shady, scary dudes that mean business


you add "midget minions" to that and suddenly it sounds like she's talking about fighting actual kids or a bunch of midget clowns

just putting it out there throne of darkness was fun

>>718331869
yeah but a lot of things were still broken in 1.08 that's why the patch only lasted 2 months.
and 1.08 was a day 1 patch even though the CD shipped with 1.07.
1.09 was much more polished and it's much more likely to be the experience you remember if you played before the 1.10 overhaul.

>>718331563
It's not hate, some runewords are just way too efficient for what they require, and invalidating 99% of your drops for a specific slot because nothing you will find on the ground will ever be stronger than a couple common runes that you can find in 20 minutes just gets boring. That's why I like the mods that buff rares and some uniques, and/or let you slam them. Runewords with high runes being strong and often BiS is fine, but anything below like Pul should be catch up gear at most. When not a single unique shield can outperform Spirit, and not a single one high-end unique shield have similar potential to Exile or Dream, there is a problem.

>>718313153 (OP)
Personally I prefer diablo 1, but diablo 2 is also fun.

>>718319565
Niggas really play demasters...

>>718323509
Better atmosphere and story

>>718332517
99% of your drops were already invalidated for your build with the rare system though.

>>718332649
What? No. Do you know what a rare is?

>>718332795
>playing sorceress
>rare anything but staff or wand (or orb if expansion) drops
>invalid drop
?

>>718332932
That's a weapon type suited to the class, not rarity system.

>>718332517
>some runewords are just way too efficient for what they require, and invalidating 99% of your drops for a specific slot
This is because the itemization in diablo 2 is dogshit
>or let you slam them
And you're already modding it to be like poe's itemization, which fixes it, so might as well just play poe

Who's pick up every single rare in diablo and checking if it has like one of a whopping three worthwhile affixes for a 1% upgrade? In offline no less?

>>718333070
>staff drops
>+10% attack speed
>+4% life leach
>+8% poison resist
>invalid
?

>>718331048
Sure, it certainly depends. I'm talking strictly from a stats/slot pve point of view. In that case a unique or runeword will be the go to item in 99% of cases unless you somehow managed to get your hands on a one in a gorillion craft/drop. And even then, a unique will most likely have the better stat distribution for that slot. Waterwalk was my go to on sorc because 65 life was worth slightly more total stats than wartraveler/sanders.

In the case of caster amys, odds are a Mara will still be better because FCR is useless if it doesn't make you hit the next breakpoint and Maras +2 all also affect the skills from the CTA you should have on swap.

very cool drops from Andariel.
>>718332554
problem?

>>718333841
Grats on your nagelring bro.

PlugY grailchads ww@?

>>718333941
>grail
lul.

>>718313153 (OP)
Just because Gen X autismos can't let it go doesn't mean it's still good.

What's the go to single player mod as of right now?

>>718334171
cactus if you like vanilla and want to check out older patches.
plugy if you like vanilla and want online features like anni, torch, and the shared stash.
everything else is an overhaul.

>>718331563
>filling inventory with mana pots
Pleb.

>>718313153 (OP)
This is one of those games that makes me want to break down when I play it and hear the music in town. Fuck.

>>718334456
>cactus
What patches should I try?

>>718313153 (OP)
Music (and sound design) 10/10
Art Style 10/10
Atmosphere is 10/10
The game is legitimately dripping with soul. The devs clearly put their passion into it.
Gameplay loop is simple, yet rewarding. Depth and complexity are there for those that want it, but it's also fun to just pick up and go.
The whole package is 100% cohesive.

>>718314021
Gameplay wise yes but it's still missing the ambiance, although poe2 was getting close

>>718334829
the ones that support Singling. he has a whole post on his github (or codeberg whatever he's using now) explaining it.
1.00 if you want to see the launch package.
1.05b if you want polished Classic.
1.08 if you want to farm some of the good uniques like Windforce, Shako, Valkyrie Wing.
1.09b if you want polished Expansion.
1.10 is basically the same as all the patches after it, but he still supports Singling on it.
1.13c/1.14d if you want polished modern D2, but this is basically the same as retail. use PlugY instead of Singling on these patches

>>718334674
how else will I quench my thirst?

>>718335206
ty

>>718335019
>Art Style 10/10
>Atmosphere is 10/10
>The game is legitimately dripping with soul. The devs clearly put their passion into it.
>Gameplay loop is simple, yet rewarding. Depth and complexity are there for those that want it, but it's also fun to just pick up and go.
>The whole package is 100% cohesive.

>>718335019
>Gameplay loop is simple, yet rewarding. Depth and complexity are there for those that want it, but it's also fun to just pick up and go.
lol

>>718335431
just know that a lot of the "modern qol" doesn't exist before 1.10
>mana potions on vendors
>respecs
>synergies

>>718335019
>d2
>depth and complexity

>>718314021
Yeah, path of exile did top it - in gambling department. Diablo 2 is a fine action game, but it suffers a great deal from gambling/randomisation of loot/drops/etc. Gambling is its core gameplay, and PoE/PoE2 took it several degrees of magnitude higher. And games that tried to knock-off D2 suffered an ill fate, because instead of focusing on story, lore, music, atmosphere, art style, good animations, they went straight up for gambling.
No thank you, i dont want slot machines, or a slotmachine gearbox in any game. Keep gambling out of video games. I also hate gacha.

Nu-/v/ is literally just contrarians

>>718335998
>No thank you, i dont want slot machines, or a slotmachine gearbox in any game.
>no thank you, i dont want actual gameplay in the form of crafting, economy, and probability management, like an actual video game, I want an interactive "experience"
no shit, plenty of people like you on nu/v/

>>718336645
>projecting that hard
>posts "probability management" unironically
Just say that you are a gambling addict and you cannot stand anyone taking a poke at you, you subhuman detritus.

>>718313153 (OP)
PoE has surpassed it. I played more Diablo 2 than you.

>>718313153 (OP)
is it free yet

POE 1 came close but no cigar
>31 year old thats been playing D2 on and off since i was 8

>>718313153 (OP)
Diablo 1 has better gameplay, graphics, and atmosphere.

Barony

>>718339394
>Diablo 1 has better gameplay
it's a fishing pole

i think the larger majority of people who are D2 fans are 30-35 year oldboomers that have been playing it since they were kids or when it had come out

>>718339608
what a dogshit newfag post

Grim Dawn is nice. Played it back in 2019 and didn't like it, reinstalled it recently and put 150 hours so far. They advertise the lore and world being what makes it stand out from other ARPGs but it's honestly really boring, I stopped reading quests 15 hours in

>>718339608
erm i'm 29

>>718313153 (OP)
>>718313153 (OP)
PoE? PoE2?

>>718331563
I don't like runewords because realistically you're not going to discover combinations without looking them up.
They are armor slot specific and socket # specific and must be set in a certain order to make the word. So in the process of discovering them you waste the runes and an item to try it. Unless you go and log the results every time you're not going to remember what you tried already.
>>718330273
Good news I'm not afraid of faggots

>>718313153 (OP)
>arpg
it's hack'n'slash
dark souls is arpg

>>718339554
Diablo 2 is a gas station sushi conveyor

>>718332190
Isn't that what the fetish is?

>>718340089
POE 1, POE is unfinished and GGG doesnt seem to give a shit past that considering its an ARPG and they still dont even have swords like 9 months later

>>718314021
PoE was fun when it was new and in act 1-2. Then they released the later acts and went full retard

path of exile would have replaced it if it wasn't always online pseudo MMO slop. why would you make a diablo "clone" and not have an offline/LAN option
>but there's SSFHC
I don't want to play with other people, I don't want to see their pink $200 cosmetics in hubs, I don't want to be connected to a server when I don't need it

>>718334171
I've taken a liking to ES3 and only enabling plugy if i need to move drops between characters real quick.

>>718340408
>swords
They are adding weapons types together with classes associated to them. That's a weird thing a lot of people get hung up over.

D2 appeals to both casuals and tryhards, which is what made it unique. A casual could enjoy the game and have the same playtime as a ladder sweatlord

>>718314293
as opposed as spending 90% of your time teleporting to farm the boss?

>>718339608
And? We don't say anything about you having nostalgia for Fortnite S1. You were eating good back then, weren't you?

>>718313396
I remember tripping on shrooms with headphones on and just slinging arrows in the desert just to hear the sound it made.

>>718325123
the difference being that it used to be true, dumbass

>>718323087
>segsy
Literally go back.

So what's with Seasons? What's the difference between a season and just playing the game? Is it just a bunch of random elites plastered all over the place?

>>718345527
these days seasons tend to mean there's a unique mechanic at play that aren't there in the general game where seasonal characters go when that season ends

>>718333093
D2's itemization is great. It still is to this day. But runewords detracted from it in a lot of ways. There have been several mods like Path of Diablo or Project Diablo 2 which rebalance runewords. I don't hate runewords in principle. It's really just a few outliers like Spirit or Enigma that I have issue with.

is there any way to make a "death knight" necromancer build?

>>718313153 (OP)
Trooncore game

>>718314021
>the game that has been in development for 15 years is almost as good as the game it tried to copy which released 25 years ago
>they also released a 2.0 version which tries to copy said game THIS TIME FOR REAL but fails miserable in doing so
They always say mario 64 and oot were ahead of their time and are always considered the goats but Diablo 2 is the real fucking deal.

>>718314734
which one?

>>718317008
Sacred 1/2 are great hope they remaster 1 since it is better

>>718313153 (OP)
POE1 and soon POE2 have and is going to destroy D2

>>718314021
100%

>>718346674
Optimally? No. But Necros can use bone armor and stuff like poison dagger to melee. That being said, you could make a summon build and itemize like a melee character. You wouldn't really do much melee damage you could build to be tanky.

If you want a melee summoner build, you're much better off going druid. You put like 60-80 hard points in summoning, then the rest in either werewolf or werebear. Werebear if you want to be unkillable and use stunning Shockwave. Werewolf if you want to be more damage focused. And if you use something like reapers toll you can decrep on strike to boost your summons even more.

Tldr on differences between summon necro and summon druid:

Druid: Leads summons from the front. Extremely tanky. Doesn't clear super fast but can melee single targets down very quickly.

Necromancer: Supports summons from the back. Debilitates enemies with his array of curses. Follows up with corpse explosion for amazing AoE damage and clear speed. Not as fast vs bosses because it doesn't have a direct attack to focus down like druid.

Both options are extremely safe and fun.

>>718346416
They don't even give you a special forum icon?

what class should I play in D2 if I want to pretend to be a chad?

>>718348187
barbarian frenzy and/or berserk

>>718345527
in d2 the ladders are just a reset and there's some items you can only get on ladder.
in other games there's some mechanics that are exclusive to the season.

>>718348187
Necromancer.

>>718346674
yeah play poison dagger. it's not a good skill though.

>>718348187
paladin is the cope class.

>>718348187
Paladin is the historical smoll dick character

>>718348187
summoner necro

Two Towers GBA mogs

For me, it's the Switch 2 version with legacy graphics whenever I gotta take a shit.

>>718351897
Kinda sucks how they purposefully made the D2 and Broodwar graphics look like shit in the demakes

the attack/defense rating system in this game makes me dislike it. If I want to be a bear druid all I do is miss

>>718353395
it worked before they released the expansion, then they broke the math and never fixed it.

>>718353459
what was different?

>>718353492
I don't know the specifics but they changed the formula because players were becoming unhittable with high defense, and since it's the same formula for players and for monsters, it made melee poop.

>>718353670
2 seconds in gpt, interesting though I never knew this.

>>718348187
Play an off-meta build like Throw Barb or Blaze Sorceress

Diablo IV is the true Chad class

>poe2 sucks mayor dick
>poe is worse than diablo 2
>diablo 2 is old
>diablo 3 is dogshit

>>718321453
>oohohhhh but why did they keep this one little feature that is le flawed, which they later denounced
>heh... sad and telling! I'm right again :)
Incisive and brave, thank you anon.

>>718313396
the music is fantastic and act 1 drums live in my head rent free

>>718352368
Yeah it's a crime, even if it was just incompetence. It wouldn't even be hard to copy D2GL.

>>718348187
Blizzard sorceress

>>718314021
PoE 2 to be exact

>>718326117
I like A3 after playing it a bunch of times. Just play it until you like it, it's that simple.
Noob perspective:
A5 > A1 > A2 > A4 > A3
Objective seasoned chad perspective:
A1 > A3 > A2 > A4 > A5

>>718354452
>Diablo IV is the true Chad class
No offline is cucked
D2R at least you can just change the date on your computer to get around the 30 day limit, it doesn't check anything else.

>>718322231
yeah dont care

>>718354452
lucky hit is inherently retarded

>>718320828
>>718321767
>>718323542
>>718332554
>>718333939
>oh no, he's playing vidya
>on /v/ of all places
the horror, amirite.

>>718321917
There won't be another Diablo with such an atmosphere, music, lore and attention to details like D2. Blizzard of today has been completely dismantled right when Bobby Kotick took over and that was many years ago.
I rmember being so hyped for Diablo 3, only for them to shit all over the game, including the characters Tyrael turned into a negro because he burned up a bit too much when he fell. That he became a human because he was able to reject his own wings doesn't make sense either, as humans were established to be the result of angels and demons getting it on.
The black soulstone was retarded as well.
>So, we used soulstones previously to contain Prime Evils but it only made them stronger, what should we do?
>Make an even BIGGER soulstone to contain the Prime AND Lesser Evils in one tight, corrupting package! No way it's going to backfire haha...
Cmon.

>>718325396
When someone drinks a little too much of the contrarian kool-aid...

>>718354921
How could anyone like Act V over any other?
Hell was monotonous and still nowhere as bad as V was with recycling.

>>718354921
eh, my list is 1 4 3 5 2.
I just wish 4 wasn't half an act.

>>718322714
I must say that they did really good work remastering the cutscenes for Diablo II R. No added bullshit, no censorship in sight, just the cutscenes as they were with improved graphical rendering.The only thing schizos may have issues with is that in the cinematic before Act I, the midget working as a waiter has changed proportions - he's no longer looking realistically, like a typical midget with distorted proportions - he's just a manlet now.
But that's all I can see.

Is the Switch version any good?

>>718313396
>Atmosphere is supreme
The first Diablo is unironically better in this aspect, but I agree that D2 is better than any of its clones and successors though.

>>718356248
You jest, but I swear half the board acts like playing anything outside a 20-year-old isometric ARPG is a war crime. Like damn, sorry I booted up a modern game for once instead of rerolling a new D2 necro build, my bad.

>>718351897
>>718352368
>>718354698
The game was patched to fix this but it was left off as the default because of potential issues. Check your options.

D2R is really fine compared to the actual demasters of the era. You can turn original graphics back on and still enjoy the improvements.My only problem with D2R is that it should have been FREE to all players who had D2+LoD registered on their Blizz accounts.

>>718362920
This would have been nice. My main problems are that, despite most of the balance changes being great, they very clearly went overboard with Mosaic and even a few other builds getting unnecessary buffs (did paladins really need another top tier build in FoHdin?).
And the lack of more stash space is criminal. I guarantee the developers in charge of the remake WANTED to put them in, I think the team put a lot of effort into it. But some corporate boardroom dickhead forced them to hold back so they could try to sell stash tabs like PoE, only it never even materialized. No built-in loot filters either and some other QoL would be good, like being able to quickly cube up bulk gems/runes.

>>718362920
they didn't delete the old servers though, like they did with sc and wc.

>>718363357
did you know, d2r is finally releasing in china, and they have paid stash tabs, and more stash tabs than we have?

>>718363480
Yep, Actiblizz continues to be a shithead company. At least that gets some of the chinks out of the other servers.

>>718363520
there's a chance they port it over to us.
loot filter is highest on my list of desired changes though.

>>718321912
>tranime poster
>terrible fucking post
Two strikes and you're already out.

>>718314021
>Endless loot treadmill where any progress is rendered pointless at the end of a season.
ARPGs died because of PoE fags. They convinced an entire generation of Game devs that FOMO,number go up and power of the month where the core pillars of an ARPG. Instead of world design,responsive combat,meaningful stat/Talent choice, and rewarding loot.

>>718363585
it's such a simple thing to implement, they don't even need to have a deep system, just being able to filter out all non-elite bases, any potions below Super, and other trash items. wouldn't need to look at the armor stats or any mods on the items, just the basic items would clean out 95% of shit on the ground

oh another thing is being able to bind force-move to left click, I know there's an option for it in the settings but you can't bind it to M1 so you're stuck using Throw on M1 like you're still stuck in 2001

>>718363812
apparently you can make your own filters with -direct -txt so it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to just add basic filters like titan quest, where it lets you pick to hide low quality, normal, magic.

>>718313396
Torchlight 1 came close for me. But it was made by ex-Blizzard North employees so that makes sense. Also that one game that came free on some Windows computers back in the day. Fate.

>>718364020
I only played torchlight 2 and was disappointed how it tried to copy diablo 2 in quite literally everything it could - story, progression, map design, and yet all of it just felt shittier than D2. Whatever sauce they had for D2, they completely lost when they left blizzard and started their own company for Torchlight.

>>718322148
Watch the beta footage. It was tonally more consistent with D2. On release, everything was brightened and it "felt" more like a top down World of Warcraft. Real money auction house was also an odd choice to combat item sellers. Story didn't feel as dire, especially with the lesser Evils being borderline retarded. Lack of a paladin class pissed me off too. At least the expansion fixed a lot of it.

>>718363418
what? pretty sure you can play old sc right now and old and remaster can play together

>>718364238
I agree. Steam workshop integration was nice though. Was some pretty good mods to play around with and spice it up.

>>718364020
The full series is available on GOG. Just saying.

>>718313153 (OP)
Nioh2 already did that though

>>718325092
come on, anon. D2 Act 3 is a crime of level design. Even when the game was new I refused to not get rushed through it because it was such a slog. Only time I ever play through Act 3 proper is in single player games.

>>718313153 (OP)
Diablo 2 is a bad game, fundamentally. The atmosphere is incredible, but you end up with a game that shoehorns build types after years of playing, to the point where the game is simply "solved". Blizzard made great games, but they were so flawed that it didn't take long to figure out how to break them.

And now Blizzard games are just pointless gacha sims that are built around percentages and scaling, it's just a fucking waste of time to play them now.

>>718364873
A3 is great if you play a build which doesn't need to actually attack.
So uhhhh, just play auradin or blaze sorc. Then you can melt everything while running through at mach 3 and pick up 5+ levels of experience and loot. But playing it on Barb is absolute cancer.

That said, all of "THOSE zones" in d2 prove that being bullshit and difficult makes a place memorable. Everybody can remember the jungle, or the maggot lair, despite these being some of the "worst levels in any game". How many zones from D3 can you remember when they all function the same?

>>718314021
Spbp
Diablofags in shambles

Although the level design is "le bad", personally I like A3. It's fast once you know the tricks, and buy a hecking teleport staff. And it looks cool and spooky.

>>718364590
yeah they're on the same servers.
the d2 servers are separated.

The reason Diablo 2 was looked back upon so fondly was because Warcraft 3 came out soon after, and then World of Warcraft. The game was fun enough to not min-max back in those days.

>>718365150
part of this might be tied into version differences that cause problems
there's gear from older versions which is unattainable now, whether powerful mods or Eth bugging armor bases, glitched double-runewords, hacked and duped items, uniques which had stats changed, etc
fixing all of those issues would be a complete nightmare so it's probably just easier for them to separate everything permanently and start over

>>718326201
Back in the OG days my best friend mained a trapsin. We would duo together in PK lobbies. One time I actually had the fabled corpse explosion happen to me. All my gear dropped. Thankfully my buddy was able to scoop it all up before the randos could.

Random PK story:
>brother suggests I join a clan to get loot
>find a clan recruiter in chat
>says I have to fight him to get in
>beat him with my pally 3 out of 4 fights
>asks me what loot I have to share with the clan
>tell him none, that's why I want to join a clan
>mfw mute/squelches me

Bonus Random PK story:
>playing ice sorce inna PK lobby
>loudmouth barb wants to 1v1 me
>agree
>stand outside town spamming Blizzard
>barb tries to leap attack through blizz
>dies midair
>accuses me of haxorz only hack I have installed in maphack for Act 3
>tell him to not jump into my blizzard
>rinse and repeat 3 or more times
>keeps crying about hax
>causing enough of a commotion that rest of lobby stops their fights to watch
>all 6 of them see him leap right into my blizzard and die
>all 7 of us telling him not to do that anymore
>lobby crashes (as was tradition in 56k days)
>see him in chat bitching about my hax
>other players from lobby call him a retard
>spurgs out so hard entire chat starts clowning on him

Bonus Random PVE/PVP story:
>be me, Zealadin Chad
>doing Baal runs
>be other paladin, a hammervirgin
>hammervirgin dies to Minions
>someone loots his gold (could've been me, who cares lol)
>accuses me
>hostiles me
>stands outside Harrogoth spamming hammers and talking shit
>wait just inside gate
>charge between his hammers
>zeal to death
>do it again
>and again
>hammervirgin is losing his mind
>druid comes to watch, lol'ing at hammervirgin
>hammervirgin rage quits
>collect his ears
>join a new Baal run lobby
>he's there
>immediately starts talking shit
>warning lobby that I'm a gold thief
>start dropping his ears next to him
>drop at least 2 columns worth of ears
>ragequits lobby

>>718331563
I grew contempt for runewords when EVERYONE I ran into was wearing Enigmas.

>>718340134
>hack'n'slash
Hack n slashes are games like Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry.

>>718365516
apparently they accidentally released the server source code with their first batch of CDs.
https://youtu.be/ZyS3UF-1lm4
which is why the realms were so hacked.

>>718313396
Aesthetic is law.

>>718364020
>its name is "Torchlight"
DOA

>>718313396
I like this post, the secret of Diablo 2 success is its sound design, reason why some people can't get into the game is because "these" people play it while watching other 3 screens.

>>718319352
the issue with last epoch is making the best gear is an rng grind fest of getting lucky with crafting.

You get something with 2 LP you then have to get lucky on the stats that it gets but first you have to find an item with 2 tier 7 stats to put on it. I feel like LE content is just gring to grind more and get lucky and a major issue is that many builds that are designed only work with legendaries with proper LP on them.

You look at all the end game factions all of it is about trying to make grinding and getting loot slightly easier but the reality is 99.9% of the stuff that drops is complete trash and when you try to use crafting to make an item good theres a high chance it will fuck up and screw you.

The crafting system isnt crafting its playing a slot machine. i would much rather have a system where for each LP I have for an item it should allow me to craft whatever stat i want onto it but it should require maybe specific drops or boss kills to be able to craft tier 6 and tier 7 stats and they should feel like a milestone of progression rather than getting lucky.

I mean I enjoy the game but I dont like the crafting system or the RNG involved to a point i have a level 97 character and I just dont want to play anymore as in order to progress its just grinding the same shit over and over again hoping to get lucky. I mean im litereally at a point of sitting on BIS items with LP on them but I cant use them properly because I dont have an exalted item with the right tier 7 stats. and im literally doing prophecy after prophecy and just getting total junk. Im trying to force the crafts with new runes that change the exalted stats on an item and all of them have completely failed. Or I try to rig the item by removing usless stats and every fucking time it removes the tier 7 stat.

Honestly if anything the biggest problem with LE is that 95% of the End game content is centered around the crafting system and Legenary Potential and it feels stupid.

>>718368504
The other aspect that fundamentally the game play loop hasnt changed in 6 fucking years. All they did was add a bunch of shit and factions to monoliths and literally all that content is like heres a fucking dungeon that spawns in your monoliths, here rune prisons, harbingers, nemesis, none of it actually changes the game it just adds more loot to the game.

You know what I would like is an actual fucking crafting system where I get to make the item I want and no one else has something like that, there should be wacky unstable shards that maybe does something like gives you 5+ to a skill and 40% spell area and put it on fucking boots or some shit. Maybe a shard thats like whenever you pick up gold you gain ward and ward retention for the same amount for 10 seconds.

If they really wanted to improve the game they should say let you trash 10 exalted items with bad stats in order to get a shard that allows you to craft the exalted stat you want onto a LP slot.

Honestly I feel the biggest problem with the ARPG genre is the End game loop. Every fucking game does the same thing like what happens when you beat the story, oh you have to go on and keep grinding the game for the real end game perfect build. Who fucking cares? Why cant the game just be fun? Instead fun is determined by a bunch of autists and stupid game devs who cater to this shit of grinding for the sake of grinding to min max your character to be able to do an Uber boss on 1500 corruption. Its all fucking stupid and pointless which doesnt really change the dynamics of how you play the game its about how much time you want to waste grinding the fucking game and being gaslit by internet autists and youtube content creators to think stepping on this RNG treadmill is fun because numbers get bigger.

I feel like Endgame grinding is the biggest Scam in all of videogames. Its not fun its like tediusly playing a slot machine excel spreadsheet with a GUI interface

You know what would be a more fun End game challenge, how about beating the game with less stats or making dynamic boss fights or actually interesting gear with effects that arent just stat increases

Why does "ARPG" specifically mean Diablo-likes when "Action RPG" is such a broad concept?

I should be able to call Dragon's Dogma, Nioh, Scarlet Nexus, Nier, Ys, even Elder Scrolls titles should be considered ARPGs. They're all realtime action combat games with RPG mechanics, right? Games like Diablo should just be called Diablolikes.

>>718369757
ARPGs are a sub-genre of CRPGs where the game is focused on building and powering up a character. Most of those games you mentioned are action games with progression elements, we typically call those Action RPGs instead of ARPGs to delineate the two.

>>718313396
FPBP. Act 1's area, music, sound effects, and NPC dialogue live rent free in my head despite only playing for what, 200 hours total in my life?

>>718328495
>no you don't get it you HAVE to play a game for 100 hours before making an opinion!
Go play an MMO or something

>>718369757
Isnt "A" stands for Asymmetrical?

>>718369421
This is why I like Diablo 2. Once you beat Hell Baal, you're basically done. Sure there's players 8 and ubers, but there's a very clear end stage and once you push past it you feel like you've completed the game.

give me your best diablo 2 mods

>>718369757
Because Diablo got the acronym first. Make up your own term for the other stuff.

>>718371423
no.
>>718371465
>beat hell baal
that's never really been a goal in diablo 2. maybe casuals stopped after regular baal / diablo; but most people that kept playing were doing it for the loot chase.

Everything about the game was well documented and yet all the games copying it completely fuck it up.
Dark Souls has the same problem.

>>718371651
>all the games copying it completely fuck it up.
that's because people don't actually want diablo 2 again.

>>718314021
No

>>718313153 (OP)
Grim dawn is a close second, still not better than diablo 2

>>718371717
nobody has made d2 again.

>>718371651
it's actually wild how many clones it spawned

>>718371717
Yes we do, there's thousands of gamers playing the same game again and again. Make another diablo 2 and you'll get fucking rich

>>718313153 (OP)
This says more about ARPG fans than it does about ARPGs

>>718366193
no zoomie

>>718324702
No ARPG respects your time. YOU don't respect your time.

Diablo should have ended with III.

>>718371942
>>718372161
sure they have, there was a dozen of clones to varying extents in the early 2000s, not to mention diablo 2 resurrected.
bottom line is what made diablo 2 special is impossible to reproduce, lightning in a bottle.

>>718368381
>be me
>playing D2 and watching King of the Hill
>Marius just released Baal
>Hank, "Got DANG it!"
>mfw

>>718313153 (OP)
Borderlands 3 and Witch and the hundred knight are drastically better

>>718372403
It's not impossible to replicate, but now diablo looks exactly like every other game, they are never going to make lighting in a bottle by copying inferior copies of their 2000 game

>>718363787
>/qa/ sharty tween judging anybodies post
Hey shartnegro you forgot your soijak you fucking moron

>>718372351
With 2 you mean

>>718372291
Yes, faggot. It's in the name. Hack n Slash and Beat Em Ups are damn near synonymous. Only real difference being swords or lack thereof. I've been gaming since 1990 and built a career out of videogames. What have you done gaming-wise?

>>718372597
No, with III.

>>718313153 (OP)
They lay out good simple mechanics first. And the result of legendary game emerges. Work leads to results.
Now other games, they want the same result. So they start with the result, the ideal environment and sequence of actions that will make the player happy. Then they start haphazardly guessing what they should or should not add to arrive at the result.

It's very simple. Modern industry is tailored to braindead consumers. It just mimics past cultural artifacts that are proven to stimulate the basest instincts and modifies them to be more manipulative.
Soul doesn't matter, purpose doesn't matter, no one needs your money, it's printed infinitely by the jewish central bank to fund all their social engineering objectives.

>>718326201
>Fully geared trapsin
>Join a pvp game
>Camp outside Rogue Encampment with traps up
>Everybody just dies when they come out

>>718371465
Baalrun105
Baalrun106
Baalrun107...

>>718374014
>join baalrun105
>warp to WSK to get my shot of BO
>proceed to ignore the party and instead go solo MF at trav, pit, stony tomb and more
*ssssiiiippppp*

>>718372670
hack n slash means top down pc game where you click with mouse to defeat enemies
beat em up is a side scroller
dmc is an action game

>>718374138
Holy fuck you're retarded. You're describing dungeon crawlers and action RPGs, like Diablo.

Dungeon Crawler / Action RPG
>Diablo
>Torchlight
>Grim Dawn
>Fate
>Path of Exile
>Elder Scrolls
>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
>Soulsbourne games

Hack n Slash
>Devil May Cry
>3D Ninja Gaiden
>Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
>Darksiders
>God of War
>LotR Two Towers / Return of the King
>No More Heroes
>Nier Automata
>Castle Crashers
>Dante's Inferno

Beat Em Up
>Final Fight
>Streets of Rage
>TMNT: Arcade / Turtles in Time / Shredder's Revenge
>Scott Pilgrim Vs The World
>Spider-Man & Venom: Maximum Carnage
>Bayonetta
>River City Ransom
>The Simpsons Arcade
>Battletoads
>Alien Vs Predator Arcade

Shoot Em Up
>Metal Slug
>Cowboys of Moo Mesa
>1942 Arcade
>Ikaruga
>Galaga
>Defender
>Gradius
>Contra
>Binding of Isaac
>Enter the Gungeon
>Bro Force

>>718374138
>>718374667
You are both correct. The term is not so clear cut

Is it worth getting on sale for a flight on the Switch 2 or am i better off only using KB+M controls for a first playthrough

>>718374902
If for some reason you actually like playing games on shitty controller controls not meant for the game, then sure. Get switch so you can play it in public like a manchild.
The game is better and more immersive the first time on your computer. Especially since your first playthrough you really want to soak it in, fullscreen in a dark room with good audio, not getting elbowed by some snot nosed kid and his white trash mother.

>>718374830
From my PoV the only degree of obfuscation is differentiating between 2D Hack n Slash and 2D Shoot Em Ups. A Top Down perspective, outside certain games like Hades or Bastion, typically denotes a game being an ARPG or Dungeon Crawler. The clincher is RPG elements. Are you unlocking combos/techniques? Leans closer to HnS/BeU. Can you actually allocate stat points and skills? Leans closer to ARPG/Dungeon Crawler.

>>718316827
Torchlight 1+2 were absolutely trying to be diablo 2, granted with a more sanitized coat of paint.

>>718375170
The first Torchlight was trying to be the first Diablo.

>>718375117
You seem like a very bitter man, but I'll take the part about best first experiences into account

>>718313153 (OP)
I remember the day it came out. Back in the days of grey crt screens, grey computers, back when graphics cards were just green circuitboards with a small fan attached.
It looked so good it was insane. The fire was so convincing.

When the expansion came out I couldn't afford it, I burned a copy of my friend's CD and helped him mow the lawn (do his chores) so he would let me write down his CD key. It was amazing man. Up there at the top of the mountain fighting the three barbarian bosses. What a sight.
I still have that burned CD and black&white printout of the cover in a sleeve somewhere. Later did buy the game and expansion two or three times for one reason or another.
Never bought any digital blizzcuck game though

>>718375291
I might be bitter but I'm also not exaggerating when I say the game is not designed for a controller experience. You'll be okay early on when the game isn't too hard, but later on when you need to have quick reflexes and precise inputs, a controller just won't cut it. It's fine if your plan is just to play the game once to say you've beat it, but if that's the case you likely want it for the atmosphere which you won't get on a plane.

>>718313153 (OP)
Because of its graphics, sound design, and story

>>718375272
Moreso than Torchlight 2 yes. But mechanically its still very diablo 2. Skill builds and loot etc.

>>718324007
And yet Imoen still calls you a queer fella.

>>718375376
Fair enough - cheers for the rec

>>718375410
>story
>diablo 2
lmao

>>718371503
kek wtf is this

>>718376141
d2scrabble, a mod that adds scrabble letters to the game for use in cube recipes as well as a bunch of other batshit stuff
i didn't get very far into it when i played it years ago, i think it's made for d2 vets who know how to minmax properly because i was constantly getting filtered by gearchecks, but it was still fun

getting the itch to play this again
haven't played this game in several years now
is it weird that im also getting slightly nostalgic for III? I remember not having a terrible time with reaper of souls

>>718313153 (OP)
>itemization
no game has as good of itemization as d2 imo. maybe PoE comes close.
>atmosphere
still is the king of atmosphere for these types of games.
>diverse content in endgame
You had plenty of different areas with different elemental resisting mobs or affects and there were quite a few diffferent bosses you could farm or lvl 85+ caves/areas you could farm.
>builds that fill niche in endgame and can farm different stuff at various efficiencies, so you felt there was something special about your class
now games are all about farming the same thing and classes just differ in how fast they do it.

>>718343038
Lmfao. When I was 18/19 I was baked as fuck playing D2 in my dark bedroom, just running around as Barbarian and listening to the game music super immersed. My Dad burst into my room all riled up and said “What the fuck are you doing!?”
>“Playing Diablo”
“The house is on fire!”
And I looked up and realized my entire room was filled with smoke I’d been oblivious to because our water heater had exploded.

>>718379132
what the fuck anon lmao

>>718378132
>You had plenty of different areas with different elemental resisting mobs or affects and there were quite a few diffferent bosses you could farm or lvl 85+ caves/areas you could farm.
problem is arpgs are a race to the loot, if you have a class that is 1% faster or an area that gives 1% better loot, that's where everybody's gonna go.
which results in 99% of people farming mephistos on sorceress and baal on hammerdin

>>718313153 (OP)
Because ARPG means Diablo 2 clone

>>718379132
>playing diablo
>what are you? STUPID?!?

>>718379308
>which results in 99% of people farming mephistos on sorceress and baal on hammerdin
thats not what happens with D2 though soooo.....

Dark Souls was the true sequel to the Diablo franchise. Not Diablo 3.

>>718379646
Path of Exile was. the PoE devs were/are even huge D2 nerds. PoE2 has even copied D2s settings for the acts 1:1 so far.

>>718375932
*sip* Yup, it's ubers time.

>>718379748
Next act is maori islands so I guess the trend ends there, half an act in hell would've been funny though.

>>718379748
>PoE2 has even copied D2s settings for the acts 1:1 so far.
that's a stretch, poe2's acts have a lot more variety than diablo 2.

>>718379748
An imitation of Diablo 2 is not a sequel or successor.

>>718319565
>demake
kys

The problem with PoE is that it was made by tards wo think that Baal runs were the entire point of D2. The fixation with 'endgame'- it's disgusting.

>>718376873
Like Diablo 2, Diablo 3's expansion made it good.

>>718380212
better than the original
kys faggot

>>718380636
>Diablo 3's expansion made it good.
you mean the expansion that destroyed the campaign's difficulty and destroyed loot?
fuck ROS for adding set items and legendarys that make skills relevant. better equip xy item if you want to use z skill ! and they added that garbage to diablo 4 too...

>>718379308
Which is why I hate metafags. Play whatever is most fun to you. And for me, in regards to Diablo II, the most fun builds were
>Zealot Paladin
>Ice Sorceress
>Shapeshifter Druid
Above All, Godliness is the best path. Evil deserves smiting. Paladin is the best class in EVERY RPG regardless of meta.

>>718380636
>stationary chest in the town has less capacity than hero's pockets
what were they thinking

for me it's hammerdin

>>718313396
>>718313153 (OP)
>>718322318
it's not that fire lilbro

zoomtard arrived, everyone out

>>718380715
Retard zoomer

>>718380903
Yes. RoS and it's exorbitant list of sets made most builds viable. You were able to play how you liked and you weren't beholden to the meta as much as you were to OG D2:LoD. I'm not saying D3 was better at launch than D2 was at launch. Or even that it was a better game overall. Hell, I fucking HATED D3 for years. Even years after RoS was released. But in retrospect and having played both to finish (Hell - Torment+ respectively). Diablo 3 RoS has a better fun factor purely because of said freedom of play. Diablo 2: LoD will always rate higher in my book because the atmosphere the sound team created trumps everything else. But from a purely RPG perspective, Diablo 3 offers the player the freedom of playstyle that only DnD has been able to exceed.

>>718380715
you don't belong here zoomfag

>>718363801
arpgs like diablo are among the worst genre of videogames

you barely use your brain when playing arpgs

>>718313153 (OP)
Nioh did

>>718373709
>It's very simple. Modern industry is tailored to braindead consumers
Pretty funny considering Diablo is for braindead people

>>718313153 (OP)
Because you were 10 when you played it

>>718381432
retard

>>718339495
holy zazed

I like runewords cause they're items you can make consistent progress towards. Since every rune is upgradeable you're always making some progress towards whatever runeword you need

>>718313153 (OP)
Grim Dawn is better.
>>718381541
Ni-oh isn't a top down arpg.

>>718381193
>hammerdin
Bitch ass faggot metafag. Might as well play a caster class if you want you hang back and cast spells from a distance. Hammerdin was the worst build/meta to happen to D2 Paladins that set the stage for Blizzard Pallies as a whole. You're a fucking paladin. You're supposed to be on the front lines. BIG reason why I can't in good conscience give Blizzard money. A Paladin is supposed to be FRONT LINE. You're not a Cleric. You're not a Priest. You're not a White Wizard/Sorcerer. You're supposed to be fucking evil up. Head to head. Your buffs and heals are "OH SHIT" buttons, not your entire class. You're purpose as a PALADIN is to dump as much damage as possible as quickly as possible into truly evil beings.You're niche. If you pick Paladin as a class in ANY RPG you're supposed to be God's WRATH and FURY on the battlefield. A random bandit may or may not be truly evil. But if you're playing a game where you are fighting LITERAL EVIL INCARNATE NO ONE ELSE SHOULD DO MORE DAMAGE THAN YOU OR TANK BETTER THAN YOU depending on spec. IF YOU'RE NOT THEN YOU ARE NOT TRULY CHOSEN BY GOD AND YOUR POWER IS ANTITHETICAL TO YOUR CLASS DESCRIPTION.

>>718381801
problems about runewords are the discoverability, you have to look through some long ass list for items that might interest you, and they go against the arpg core gameplay loop - random loot.

>>718381614
Player character autoattacks
Press the occasional skill
Most of the loot is garbage
Sell the garbage
Equip item that is 0.5% better than your previous equipment
Repeat

Amazing gameplay, arpgsister. This is not only Diablo I'm talking about, in case(that you most likely are) you didn't understand , every single ARPG is plagued with the dumbest gameplay ever conceived by human kind.

The combat is revolves around pressing your skill and kiting groups until they are dead, selling garbage and equiping the .000005% better item, there is as much brain synapses happening in your brain when playing an ARPG as you are playing Cookie Clicker. Funnily enough both are about number go up

>>718382206
retard

>>718382268
Stop talking about yourself

>>718314021
As someone has already said it's been topped in terms of gameplay but it has fell short in terms of loot and loot identity, rarest and magic items that drop have 0 meaning since it's all about crafting and it wasn't always like that. There is so many blue and rare item mods to look out for in Diablo II that have become iconic E.G 5/20 small charms or skillers, high ed fools weapons etc etc. I return to d2 and d2 mods more than poe in recent years.

>>718381862
Kys

>>718354921
>Just play it until you like it, it's that simple.
insane that freaks think this is a genuine valid take

I can't see what people like about poe other than it being free

>>718383820
poe over the years went too far into the powercreep.
poe 1.0 played a lot like diablo 2, i don't like modern poe either, poe2 started strong but is quickly becoming like poe1 unfortunately.

>>718384018
>poe2 started strong

>>718384052
poe2 0.1 was probably the hardest poe2 will ever be.

>>718384095
>hard = good

>>718374014
>STOP USING METEOR!! WE GET LESS EXP DUE TO THE BUG!111

>>718384139
there's a balance somewhere in there between challenging and cookie clicker, poe1 is the latter.

>>718384325
>I don't like it so it's bad
meanwhile, in reality:

>>718384391
that... that's pretty bad no?

>>718384442
yes, poe 2, which you claim is better than poe 1, is objectively and measurably worse
less players because it is a game of less quality

>>718384052
PoE2 must the most innovative diablo-like ever
a real shame the endgame is still PoE1 turbo projectile/aura spam

>>718321453
PvP

>>718384513
>roll slop

>>718381193
most be like top5 most unbalanced ARPG build in history
bonus points for desync hammer fields in PvP

>>718384513
then why is it at less than half the players of poe1?

>>718384391
imagine paying for this....

>>718322148
The moment to moment gameplay of III is fantastic and is the best in the entire series. Absolutely everything else about it (items, story, progression, content) is awful beyond compare.

Only game i've speed run, and it was actually kinda fun. The 'sense' of the game change completely - but its very RNG heavy nonsense.

>>718313153 (OP)
the ONLY game that did it for me was Grim Dawn
idgaf about /v/tards opinions as they are shit 99% of the time but GD has been my favorite ARPG next to D2, nothing else comes close
i have played everything from the more obscure games like Din's Curse and Legacy, Nox, FATE to the more popular shit and all of them fall flat in comparison to GD and D2

>>718384728
because hordes of whales?

>>718385051
that's cope and you know it

>>718313153 (OP)
i genuinely enjoy D3 more, at least i have a reason to autistically farm itemsachievements in that and not just drop it after finishing the story
what's even the point of seasonal in D2 when you don't even get any transmogs or pets

>>718385152
nigga this is a game about being a whale

>>718385304
then explain how I have this many hours and have spent max $10?

ARPG development in the last 5-10 years has been absolutely retarded. They are chasing the dragon that does not exist. The ever illusive endgame.
D2 was so amazing because it had no endgame. Playing trough the game was the right way to play it, the best farming spots for some of the items people used even in the endgame were in the campaign, and even on lower difficulties.
So even from the first step the whole design of modern ARPGs falls flat.
>>718324282
>Too many cooks spoil the broth.

>>718384728
poe1 is free to play unlike poe2.
poe1 also had a league more recently than poe2.
poe1 also has a lot more content in it than poe2.
pick 1.

>>718385304
>because this game is about spending money

>>718385401
>because poe1 is free

hmm which is it

>>718385368
put it another way, do you think those people would still play if you deleted their characters and cosmetics? how many autists actually play each season?

>>718385570
>do you think those people would still play if you deleted their characters and cosmetics?
wtf yes? I literally never gave a single solitary fuck about the cosmetics and I already made brand new characters every league
I legitimately have never loaded an old character except in order to liquidate it and concentrate my currencies on one character

>>718385637
well I'm saying you're the minority, switching games has a lot to do with sunk cost

>>718385742
>well I'm saying you're the minority
and I'm saying you're incredibly wrong
most of the people playing poe1 right now HAVE played poe2
they went back to 1 for a reason

>>718385770
I guess we will see soon enough

>>718385842
no nigga we have already seen
poe2 was hyped as fuck when it released, then burnt out almost immediately
it's objectively a worse game with worse reception
this is not negotiable or arguable

>>718385904
>poe2 will fail cope
0.2 performed better than the last poe1 league, and poe1 is f2p. poe1 is going bye bye, worst case scenario ggg devs will turn poe2 into poe1 before making poe1 a thing again.

>>718386008
>will fail
NIGGER IT ALREADY FAILED but I see now that you are simply baiting me so this is my last response

>>718375170
That's because they were literally made by the devs of Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. Runic Games was founded by ex Blizzard North employees and execs.

>>718386527
>That's because they were literally made by the devs of Diablo 1 and Diablo 2.
So why did they fuck up so badly? What is it with this "from formers devs of x" games always being a mediocre disappointment at best?

>>718385376
>Playing trough the game was the right way to play it, the best farming spots for some of the items people used even in the endgame were in the campaign

yeah

>even on lower difficulties

hmmmmm....... nyo

>>718386008
>0.2 performed better than the last poe1 league
Isn't the current trend between the first 2 leagues for PoE 2 a downward trend, while poe has had an almost exclusively upward trend for over 10 years with only like 2 leagues which were hated because GGG dipped hard into nerfs and fucked up the whole game.

Yeah, I am thinking GGG is shutting their studios down in the next 2 years.

>>718313153 (OP)
the creator of Diablo 1 is going to take the source code to his grave

>>718386639
Because when they break off they surround themselves with "yes men" and sycophants. If you excuse the metaphor but it's the Prequel Trilogy repeated. No one had the balls to tell George Lucas that his ideas were fucking retarded and his dialog was shit.

>>718386743
>hmmmmm....... nyo
Really? You wanna get a SoJ? Go NM andy.
Gonna farm for a Gull on Hell? Nope, normal diablo.
D2 actually had drop tables, which made farming specific locations desirable depending on what you wanted.

>>718386957
I'm talking about games with more difficulties. A normal item shouldn't be viable in AnusTormentorXII

>>718386957
>SoJ