Thread 718386843

If Paradox hadn't insisted on calling it "Bloodlines 2" at any cost the game would have been finished and released by now, instead of struggling with fitting into shoes it can never, ever fill.

>>718386843 (OP)
ayo dis game bussin frfr ong

Not at all. Paradox's original plan was to force TCR to make the game in 2 years. This was abandoned because it was idiotic. The delays to the game are simply because the team is full of juniors and because making an open world RPG thing is hard.

>>718386949
>Paradox's original plan
>laughs at your in hardsuit labs

What the fuck were they supposed to call it? They hired a team to make Bloodlines 2. The team made Bloodlines 2.

>>718387027
Paradox's plan after they fired Hardsuit, I mean. The game has been granted significant extensions because Paradox are very pleased with its creative direction.

>>718386843 (OP)
paradox should've called it nortubel 2 instead

>>718387047
literally anything else as there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to call this "Bloodlines 2" as it isn't a sequel or even a remotely similar game

bros this game is gonna be so FCKIN good

>>718387047
Vampire the masquerade - electric boogaloo

>>718387150
But it is a very similar game overall, despite its differences.

>>718387357
It's as similar to Bloodlines as Bloodlines was to Redemption.

>>718387150
>First person FPS/RPG.
>Player choice and agency is a huge focus. Social navigation is a core mechanical focus.
>Intensely atmospheric.
>Hub-based level design where it's basically as series of hubs laid out in an open world with distinct visual shifts between them.
>Draws strong influence from Source Engine games like HL2 and Dark Messiah.
Also, the game takes place after Bloodlines 1, has characters from Bloodlines 1 (don't expect more than cameos), and so on.

>>718387428
That's utter nonsense.

>>718387428
I don't remember Redemption being an FPS. Maybe I missed a memo.

>>718386843 (OP)
nobody would even know about it if it wasn’t called “bloodlines”

>>718387791
To be fair, they haven't actually started marketing the game yet. That begins... any day now.

>>718387791
yeah because aside from the name, its missable shit

>>718387791
Just like nobody knows there's a tabletop game either.

>>718387357
contradictory

>>718387497
bro you need to at least try to make it sound a little less like the marketing prompts

>"i cant wait to play as a mystery meat version of ellen degeneres!"
- no-one ever

>>718388059
It's like the difference between FEAR 1 and FEAR 2. They're mechanically quite different, have a different protagonist, have a different art style, but FEAR 2 is recognizably a sequel to FEAR (that is not as good as Extraction Point, the sequel made by a random outsource dev).

>>718388120
Interesting how super old artwork is still in circulation. But given they seem to have changed the protagonist's appearance like 5 times, I suppose people can't be blamed for failing to keep track.

>>718388202
i know who you are, faggot, ive come to ruin your shill thread again

>>718388059
You need to sound like you've actually bothered reading the developer diaries.

>>718388202
>"such a huge improvement!"
- no-one ever

>>718388294
Isn't that proving the point? That is very old artwork.

>>718388360
You're still posting old artwork, anon. I didn't say "they've changed the protagonist's appearance like 5 times" for nothing.

you can tell how shit this game is going to be by how lazy the entire thing is:
>no character creator, forced to play as a dyke feminzai
>mc is voiced, meaning you're going to be forced to listen to quips about donald trump and "bashing the fash"
>facial animations STILL behind a game that released in 2004
but most importantly, its made by today's average developer, someone who isnt there because they love games and want to make great ones with their friends, they are rank and file hireling being paid to do a job, nothing more, zero passion, negative talent

>>718387047
There is nothing in this game the screams Bloodlines 2 besides the fact that there are vampires in the game.

>>718388717
>There is nothing in this game the screams Bloodlines 2
There's also nothing that screams "not Bloodlines 2". It's the Mass Effect 2 of Bloodlines games.

>>718388441
nice try shill it clearly says 49 minutes ago

>>718388687
>>mc is voiced, meaning you're going to be forced to listen to quips about donald trump and "bashing the fash"
You play a 400 year old sociopath that missed the past 100 years. What the fuck are you talking about?
>no character creator, forced to play as a dyke feminzai
You could play as the male version (not that anyone will, playing as a man is super gay).
>someone who isnt there because they love games and want to make great ones with their friends, they are rank and file hireling being paid to do a job, nothing more, zero passion, negative talent
Like Troika, then? The studio that basically only made Bloodlines 1 because they desperately needed cash, and who had no passion for the source material?

I think that Phyre possibly has more customization than they've let on, at least for skin tone. This is the most recent ingame footage we know of. (But who knows how old it actually is?)

>>718386843 (OP)
Game looks like absolute dog shit and i hope it flops. Spits all over Bloodlines 1.

>>718389049
Then of course there's the cover art version, who will likely be the "default" appearance (and canon story-wise) if there is customization.

>>718389093
Serious question. How much do you actually know about the game? I'm kinda curious how much the average poster actually knows about it.

>>718388798
show me the stat sheet

>>718389674
>It's the Mass Effect 2 of Bloodlines games.
>show me the stat sheet
Have you played Mass Effect 2? It got rid of the stat sheet, got rid of dialogue skill checks. Sound familiar?

>>718389235
It's being made by today's average dev, that's all you need to know

>>718388926
>Like Troika, then? The studio that basically only made Bloodlines 1 because they desperately needed cash, and who had no passion for the source material?
yesterday's average white/asian male devs doing a rush job will produce better results than today's demi-humanoids working their hearts out

>>718389787
no it literally did not it just changed the inventory

>>718389809
You're posting a clip from a completely different game by a completely different developer that was also called Bloodlines 2.

>>718390047
Uh, I'm sorry but Mass Effect 2 absolutely got rid of the original stat system and replaced it with what is essentially a horizontal upgrade tree for weapons/biotics. In Mass Effect 1, you had skills like charisma, hacking, etc. These were all removed in Mass Effect 2.

>>718390087
Show us the latest gameplay then, so we can all laugh at how mediocre it is

>vampire game
>some of the most toothless a-sexual faggot marketing I have ever seen
Where is the sex, where is the sleazy content?
Vampires are all about that shit and the first game knew that very well.

>>718390294
>Where is the sex, where is the sleazy content?
In the dev diaries in a glaringly work in progress form because all the sex shops have the most placeholder names I've seen in my life.

>>718388926
>You play a 400 year old sociopath that missed the past 100 years
Can't wait for the obligatory
>back in my day we stood against tyrants who tried to crush freedom and oppress people....and were orange ;D

>>718390290
The most recent footage we know of this is.
https://youtu.be/cMVyxzHNf_k?si=AxznopVcAQnW-0k0&t=913

>>718390420
>in the diearies
Where is the VIDEO material, were are the PICTURES? hello?

>>718387940
All marketing is cancelled for this game, paracuck is trying to save the little they will make

>>718390294
we're not allowed to have sexiness anymore
the default is sexless and passionless androgyny made to tick boxes and definitely NOT to excite the default gaming demographic (straight men)

>>718390530
hence why theyre on 4chan, and in this thread right now, trying to gauge reactions, instead of doing it on twitter or plebbit

>>718390491
I don't see much difference, it is a generic "immsim"

>>718390515
For whatever reason, there has been almost no footage of the game's open world released. It's probably coming this week. A big 20 minute long exploration of what the game is like to play. Paradox seem to have weird ideas about how to market a game like this. Drip feed a lot of content, don't be willing to share specifics, and rely way too much on interviews and developer diaries over actually showing the game itself. It's idiotic, but we have to bear it.

>>718390746
>For whatever reason
Because the game is dogshit

>>718390491
mediocre trash
this is thief 4 levels of disappointment

>>718386843 (OP)
another one for my collection

>>718390731
>I don't see much difference, it is a generic "immsim"
You say that like it's a bad thing.

How can it be so hard to emulate the first one? Just make a sleazy, seedy city by night and let me talk to weird fucking people.

>>718391085
make sure to grab the pre-release DLC!

>>718390864
>mediocre trash
Looks pretty good to me. What don't you like about it?
>this is thief 4 levels of disappointment
Looks more Dark Messiah than Thief. There's even a kick button.

>>718386843 (OP)
Every time I see this character, I'm struck by how fucking bad it looks.

So are "sexy jeanette and white devs" all bloodlines is to you? It would have been a lot less painful if you just said so from the start, it's not exactly a controversial opinion.

>>718391227
>Just make a sleazy, seedy city by night and let me talk to weird fucking people.
That's what they did, though. Kinda. As they put it:
>The original Bloodlines is iconic for its atmosphere and sense of nostalgia, in part due to how it aptly captured the cultures and attitudes felt at the turn of the millennium. With Bloodlines 2 we wanted our atmosphere to resonate through the same blood-soaked spectacles, but to show the world as it is now.
>These nights, many cities have undergone what would look from the outside like a glow-up. Things are shiny and new, flawless, stripped of anything that might bely their history and heritage. Not because we ourselves are flawless, but because we've become better at hiding our monstrosity. But the brighter the light, the darker the shadow. And the more vibrant that light, the more pressing the darkness that seeks to swallow it.

>>718391342
>Every time I see this character, I'm struck by how fucking bad it looks.
Why do you think they changed the design?

>>718391250
the kick button is the only thing it has in common, and dont tell me you didnt notice how most of the mobs in that vid were sticking to the platform paths like glue
it looked slow, clunky, and boring, with the same shitty assets from the same store that most modern trash uses, spread around the scene
>"i-i can put my middle finger up at the enemies! xD"
grow up

>>718391085
I have had this game pre-order for half a decade.

>>718391374
bloodlines is jank combat that still somehow manages to be passably fun and being able to say stupid irreverent shit that doesn't take itself seriously

>>718386843 (OP)
FLOP! FLOP! FLOP!

Somebody please find the hardsuit labs build of the game.

even paradox know its going to flop, and will sell the IP off as soon as bl2 flops

Bloodlines games should be permanently locked in the early to mid 90s timeline. Prove me wrong.

>>718391456
>the kick button is the only thing it has in common
It also has the voice in your head, and physics puzzles.
>and dont tell me you didnt notice how most of the mobs in that vid were sticking to the platform paths like glue
Yea, that's the point of having multiple levels. So you can herd enemies. The term used by the devs is "playing with your food". You're a monster. Nobody is a threat to you.

>>718390639
is this seriously it? this looks worse than the original videos. MIDDLE FINGER ATTACK, oooo so edgy! it's a brain cut but it's also a fuck you! Also, wiggling my fingers in air to shoot my gun... MAGICALLY!

>>718391374
>So are "sexy jeanette and white devs" all bloodlines is to you?
All the RPG elements and stats that try to emulate the pen and paper game. Being able to make your own character and pick which type of vampire you are. You know, none of the things this shit sequel will have.

>>718386843 (OP)
I ran into the demo for the 2019 Bloodlines 2 and it looked a lot more like the first (uh second?) game. To the point it felt pretty retro for that era.

What actually happened with it? It wasn’t ready? But they had a full demo for games jurnos? Paradox scraps the studio and starts over because it was unfinished or something? But why not just finish the game then rather than start over?
The Nu-Bloodlines 2 people said they basically just saved the setting Seattle and time of year. Isn’t making the branching story the hardest part of these games? And easiest to port to a new game?

I don’t get it. Anyone have a QRD?

>>718391085
I'll be preordering as soon as preorders reopen, which will hopefully be during Gamescom opening night. Fingers crossed.

>>718390491
>>718390731
except you have ninja hands and do naruto hand movements at enemies to hit them apparently.

>>718387047
>What the fuck were they supposed to call it?
Vampire the Masquarade: Van Phyre.

>>718391721
If they didn't have so many pre-orders I'm sure they'd have cancelled it years ago, but now it means they'd have to refund all those, which is probably a huge cashflow issue for the company

>>718391806
>Also, wiggling my fingers in air to shoot my gun... MAGICALLY!
Reminds me of this absolutely kino movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqBrsXUtByc

>>718390639
I mean it looks shitty and silly but I actually just played the patched original just now and the combat is god awful so I don’t get why people act like this is what makes or breaks the game.

>>718391828
>What actually happened with it?
It was top-to-bottom shit. Everything about it was garbage, and Paradox spent a few months (after multiple delays) trying to fix it, but decided throwing the entire game out was preferable. Then Sumo Digital/The Chinese Room approached them with a proposal.

>>718387497
>>First person FPS/RPG.
Where's third person option?
>>Player choice and agency is a huge focus
No Toreador, no Gangrel, no Malkavian, no Nosferatu. Where are the choices?
>>Intensely atmospheric.
No Modern Gothic atmosphere.

>>718391745
They whole setting works best in a pre-smartphone era indeed.

>>718391821
>All the RPG elements and stats that try to emulate the pen and paper game.
If people want a game like that, they have Swansong.

>>718387047
Bloodlines U

>>718392108
Yeah it would be kinda hard to keep up the masquerade when everyone has a 4k camera in thier pocket that has access to the internet lol.

>>718392108
i was kind hoping they'd set the sequel in that period with pay phones and nokia 3310s as a novelty gimmick in the game.

>>718391930
>except you have ninja hands and do naruto hand movements at enemies to hit them apparently.
That's how Tremere fight. Each clan is unique in that regard. Brujah punch. Tremere do the two fingered slash thing. We don't really know what the other 2 (plus two DLC clans) are like animation-wise.

>>718390639
Why every immsim needs a telekinesis/gravitygun attack?

I guess the answer is it is a drag and drop feature on unreal but jeez, be original

>>718392127
>If people want a game like that, they have Swansong.
How about if your gonna make a sequel to a game you make it a fucking sequel rather then a piece of shit that has nothing to do with the previous game?

>>718392104
> Modern Gothic atmosphere
Why was it so easy to do in the 90s and feels so hard now? People just accepted the Gotham version of LA but try to do it with an iPhone setting and it feels phony. Goths made brooding leather clad tryhards feel natural or something? And now you just get e-girls and fag vampires.

Maybe it’s like trying to make an Edgar Allan Poe story set in the present.

>>718390639
You can also decapitate enemies and use their heads as projectiles. All clans have telekinesis and it's used for most of the game's puzzles. You can pick up bottles, bricks, whatever, and throw them, too.

>>718392101
Why do people keep posting really old art from the game? I'm confused.

>>718391828
It was a scam from the devs

>>718392064
>looked up sumo digital
>their site has a page called "governance"
>leads to the url "sumogroupltd.com/esg/"
>page is strangely down.. hmm..
>check it on internet archive
>see pic
why are all these companies hiding their involvement with ESG now?

>>718392104
>Where's third person option?
Why would it have a third person option?
>No Toreador, no Gangrel, no Malkavian, no Nosferatu. Where are the choices?
Toreador is DLC. Gangrel is redundant. You have a Malkavian detective in your head. Nosferatu are redundant, since they don't break masquerade anymore.

>>718392271
>Why every immsim needs a telekinesis/gravitygun attack?
Because most of them are heavily inspired by Half-Life 2. The Chinese Room started out as a company making Half-Life 2 mods, and their founder was a university student who wrote his thesis on FPS design in games like HL2.

>>718392561
No, the devs were incompetent SJWs and we all saw the collapse of the project coming a mile away.

>>718392358
>All clans have telekinesis
I'm not a big lore fag but thats just silly right? I mean why would the more bestial clans like gangrel have telekinesis?

>>718392587
Kek, this must be the marketing team

>>718392587
Glad you are the king of what is redundant or not, faggot.

>>718392104
>>>Intensely atmospheric.
>No Modern Gothic atmosphere.
What exactly is "modern gothic" and how does Bloodlines 2 not have it?

>>718392653
They were competent at scamming paradox for years

>>718392665
Because the people making this game don't care about vampire the masquerade at all.

>>718392518
It’s been in dev too long and they haven’t begun to market it as it will release? It’s their own fault really. Earlier people couldn’t tell a BL2v1 combat vid from BL2v2. They don’t have too much time to get this shit sorted.

>>718392749
I blame Mitsoda for being an idiot and trusting them.

>>718391970
heh

>>718392568
>look up the chinese room
>they dont even try to hide it

>>718392665
You're 400 years old. You actually know every major discipline from every clan, but you need to "remember" them by drinking the blood of clan representatives throughout the story.

>>718392587
>Nosferatu are redundant, since they don't break masquerade anymore.
Wut? Why don’t they?

>>718392221
Come to think about it. It would be funny to make a setting where the Camarilla has giant troll factories that's constantly posting fake news and debunking any vampire sightings on the socials.

>>718392702
End of the day, the game is v5, and v5 meant changes to things like nosferatu. The demand for malkavians is likely why Fabien became a malk. Nosferatu aren't masquerade violations anymore, which makes the core appeal of the original design a bit moot. It also conflicts with the game's other dynamics like clothing.

For example, wearing shitty clothes will make hookers (and others) refuse to talk to you. This basically takes the place of the Nosferatu mechanic.

>>718392878
>You actually know every major discipline from every clan
So you're a thin blood?

>>718392831
>It’s been in dev too long and they haven’t begun to market it as it will release? It’s their own fault really.
I actually 100% agree with you. It's insane that the Game Informer article had outdated pictures in it, including screenshots from 2023. I have no fucking idea what Paradox are smoking. It is terrible that we are two months out and they don't have a coherent finalized "look" for the protagonist of their game.

>>718392913
They don't really stand out that much in muttland

>>718387047
Vampire the Masquerade: This Time it's Personal
Vampire the Masquerade: The Revenge
Vampire the Masquerade: The Curse

>>718392913
This thread talks about it a bit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vtm/comments/sb76vl/nosferatu_looks_change_in_v5/

>>718391995
ha, I've never seen this. This looks better than vtmb2, but not by much. Why limit yourself to two guns?! Why not throw cars? A thousand knives? Crush their brains?

>>718392878
Please be fucking joking.

>>718393076
>muttland
So this post confirms they're hiring jeets to shill this piece of shit is what I'm getting.

>>718390463
So they're from Northern Ireland, are Republican and hate the Orange Order.

>>718393005
No, you're an elder. Learning cross-clan-disciplines was always a thing in the tabletop.

>>718393261
lol no

>>718386843 (OP)
Perhaps, but it would still have sucked arse I bet

>>718393098
It does seem to be some kind of revenge story with a "le quest for eternal vengeance is le bad" motif.

>>718393310
It is the reason though >>718393153

>>718386843 (OP)
Show the haven already or havens?

>>718393261
I get the feeling a lot of VTMB fans don't actually know a lot about elders. It's a whole other dynamic.

>>718393361
>Learning cross-clan-disciplines was always a thing in the tabletop.
So is diablerie but most elders arent stupid enough to drink another elders soul OR blood to do it since that runs the risk of being blood bound or worse.

>>718393534
Last we saw the haven was in 2023, in this dev diary.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/neo-noir-art-style
It may have changed since this point because of the rewrite of Fabien from a thinblood into a Malkavian detective who (allegedly) has an office and everything. I think MAYBE your haven is his apartment, but I'm not sure.

>>718393689
Nobody plays tabletop games, warhammer discourse already made that much obvious.

>>718393153
Bah. It’s on me for not keeping up with whatever rewrite bs they’ve been doing I guess. They still say they’re ugly as sin just that it’s not enough to break as inhuman acts. Which is ok I guess.
Then again that Nosferatu in the demo reel for this very game looks genuinely inhuman and should break the masquerade unless he obfuscates. So I don’t really get it as a justification.
I think the reality is it would change all encounters too much and be a pain to include. Same with Malkavian.

>>718393883
>>718393979
IMHO this is very tail wagging the dog behavior. Bloodlines 2 being beholden to v5 was always stupid. I understand the drive for brand unification, but they really should have just let them homebrew their own take on VTM.

>>718393883
Brother the people who played the tabletop games are 40+. They are real life elders. Warhammer is still an active community so they have less of an excuse.

>>718392913
Equating being ugly to being monstrous is bad for the feelings of the kind of person who is willing to write an RPG, anon.

the plus mod is now available on gog galaxy as a direct one click download for zoomers who don't know how to manually install mods anymore.

Nvidia made a whoopsie and said something they shouldn't have.

>>718386843 (OP)
>we made sure all the random civs are meanie chuds so you aren't an icky TOXIC vampire that feeds on innocent people

the game is DEId on arrival.

>>718387101
>The game has been granted significant extensions because Paradox are very pleased with its creative direction.
Or have given up hope and just want the thing out the door.

>>718387357
>>718387497
Lets see the game first. I think that it's going to be different than what it says on the bin.

>>718391085
This is one of the ONLY games that ever refunded all preorders.

>>718386843 (OP)
I will pirate your slop and I will enjoy shitposting on /v/ about it

>>718394456
The original game was the same.

>>718394194
So yea, for those not paying attention Bloodlines 2 will be playable in Hall 6.1 during Gamescom. Level Infinite are providing the booth, but I wouldn't be surprised if Paradox paid for the trailer to run during opening night.

>>718393883
plenty do just not VTM because the source book was unplayably bad, everyone involved is too woke and incompetent

>>718394615
Same but I won't even pirate it

looking forward to floplines 2

>>718393979
Having things like Malk and Nos playing almost a different game just isn't going to fly today, nobody expects people to even finish games they play let alone replay them. Modern devs want everybody to get the "whole experience" the first go round so even if it was easy to do they wouldn't do it.

>>718392104
Would be fairly simple if set in Europe, most cities have a "Gothic Quarter" or equivalent. Just use planes or trains instead of taxis to recreate the hub and spoke setup from bl1.

>>718395170
>I don't need to write an entire paragraph to tell that this character is sad
This is the mentality of the devs

>>718395147
How will you get the source material for your shitposts?

>>718395170
>all the biggest industry failures get to work on the sequel to a cult cassic

>>718395263
If that were true, they wouldn't have the clan prejudices that make characters hate or like you in 2.

>>718395170
Imagine thinking that a game imitating Mass Effect 2, one of the most beloved RPGs ever made, will bomb.

>>718395356
a real monkey's paw situation

>>718393153
I wouldn't be surprised that paradox asked for that so the bloodlines 2 can be the development would be slightly easier

>>718386843 (OP)
>the game would have been finished and released by now
and forgotten like Swansong

>>718395170
just fucking why

>>718386843 (OP)
Kill yourself, shill. This game is dead on arrival and there's nothing you can do about it lol.

>>718395659
No, it's for larpers.

>>718391828
We aren't sure. They had some serious, fucking problems internally. Hardsuit and Paradox both had nearly full turnover.

They had avelone on a 2 year contract, had him do a bunch of shit...then used nothing of it.

They had Mitsuoda on...and apparently used none of his shit either.

My best guess is that it was too ambitious for the budget and ability of the team.

>>718395263
It worked for Wrath of the Righteous though, but then again... isometric rpg players are on a different autism level

>>718392270
there's a gif in their dev diaries showcasing all 4

>>718396003
Something I find weird is that the Slugg encounter in the trailer and the E3/Gamescom demo has different dialogue and different dialogue options. The whole thing to me reeked of being a Duke Nukem Forever vertical slice where they had very little actually working properly on the scale of a shippable game.

>>718395170
>"since ive awoken from my centuries of slumber, ive heard people talking about an orange man, a racist, bigoted piece of shit.."
>"people engage in same sex intercourse now? that's rad!"
>"society has changed, women have more power than ever before, but it's still a long way off from being truly equal"

>>718396239
No, it's more stuff like.
>Does America have a lot of guns?
>Fabien laughing noises.

>>718391828
It seemed to be a technical mess. In all of the footage they showed there were fairly major technical issues with basic things not working properly like enemies walking and face animations. And that's what they considered good enough to show. It was probably barely functional and they weren't able to fix it.

>>718391828
Paradox employee here but unrelated bloodlines. Even internally they didn't share any information. It went like "we are parting our ways with hardsuitlabs, there will be no other internal updates on this".

I'm glad they canned it.

>>718391828
It still cracks me paradox found a toddler that probably was using a controller for the first time in his life to record the gameplay demo.

>>718386843 (OP)
>fitting the shoes of an unpopular IP where the last game was clearly not finished and no one bought

>>718398096
Buggy animation can be fixed though.

>>718395263
Eh partly true but games like KCD and BG3 have been getting massive replays, the Owlcat 40k game allows at least 3 variants and pretty drastic storyline changes. Cyberpunk doesn’t even differ that much but gets massive replays on the patches. People like them.

I don’t think it’s an audience problem or a “people don’t finish games” issue. I can see corpo suits using the argument though. But they are fags and wrong. Just make good games. VTMB2 looks like utter shit and has terrible action sequences and still managed to get a fanbase to replay and mod it for 20 years based on story (that wasn’t even finished). Just make good games. Put in effort.

>>718398286
A dev team that is thinking that is good enough for publishing can't be

>>718398096
That's version 4.22.1. The jank-ass artstation leaks were 4.25.1, meaning they were probably late 2019.

>>718396003
> avelone on a 2 year contract, had him do a bunch of shit...then used nothing of it.
He got caught up in that metoo shit even though he made the lying bitches literally pay him and apologize his work got toxic. His whole thing is story though and that’s what I hoped they could have salvaged between versions. But it sounds like they burnt it down and started over.
I get that the old BL2 was apparently jank so rewrite the engine. But the story isn’t integral to the game engine. Ah fuck it. We’ll see I guess.

>>718392334
The modern era is soulless. Pro tip, World of Darkness has always been soulless too because it is, again, set in the soulless urboid modern day. A proper vampire game is set in the 19th century or earlier.

>>718398096
>>718398501
>pre-alpha build
It's been how many years now?

>>718398878
The tv series was pure soul

>>718398943
Get with the times grandpa. The games are now released as alpha early access versions nkw

>>718398682
His contract ended years before that happened in 2018.

>>718398168
an unpopular IP that has a strong enough cult fanbase that is large enough to try to market to
not that any fan of the original is going to touch this garbage, thoughever

>>718386843 (OP)
and you'd get another troonguard or the obsidian skyrim. So what?

>>718395653
Paradox gave up on World of Darkness in general. Bloodlines 2 is very much a sunk cost project for them.

>>718399468
Bear in mind that they did just restart White Wolf and will probably be announcing new WoD games later this year.

>cinematic attacks
>ugly NPCs
when Paradox actually shows some gameplay, it'll be shit, too. All they make these days is 4x games with DLC popups for stat bonuses that don't matter.

>>718399563
>Bear in mind that they did just restart White Wolf
They didn't. WW claimed greater autonomy and are essentially in charge of WoD with Paradox being the financiers and partners. Which just confirms Paradox is washing their hands in every way except funding.

>>718387791
I might because I usually love shit like this. I mean, I loved Atomic Heart and this looks like just slightly below that in quality.

even if you ignore the insane mass of red warning lights in every aspect of everything we have seen so far, the fact that they didnt do malkavian because
>its too hard, we would have to write unique lines....
>might do it as dlc later tho if the game does well TEEHEE
that attitude alone is enough to not even bother pirating this garbage

>>718398878
The game in the 90s made the fucking point that soulless vampires fit right into it. It was American Psycho vampire edition. Welcome to the corporate world. Even the early internet was a conducive setting for it; the millenarianism with Y2K and all the techno nightmares people started to have about the direction of society. The subcultures fit right into the setting as well.
What really killed it all was 9/11. That’s not even joking, the societal shift to the war on terror and islamism, globalism and internet shopping, mobile phones and constant connection. It sucked all the fun out of it. The tabletop falls apart trying to deal with the Gehenna metaplot. I don’t know why they thought they could build anything beyond that.

>>718399328
My bad then I got the timeline mixed up.

>>718400000
Checked

>>718387101
>The game has been granted significant extensions because Paradox are very pleased with its creative direction.
LMAO

>>718399941
they dodge it in v5 by basically saying "2nd inquisition means you can't engage with the internet"

which is kind of interesting i guess, as an explanation for why all the problems you can solve with a cellphone can't be solved with one

>>718400000
GET witnessed.

>>718400000
>Wasted quints on apologizing
FAAAAHK

>>718387150
>as it isn't a sequel or even a remotely similar game
it is

>>718391806
You autists have impossible standards. Just admit you want to shit on something because your thirdie friends are shitting on it.

>>718400796
>how do you do fellow gamers

Promethean the created game please

>>718395170
>almost 2 years ago
What is up with you fucking schizos? Yeah, the game will suck but some of you act like the kike devs fucked your moms. Are you just zoomers trying to pretend your "defending" some part of gamer "culture"? Please explain.

>>718400445
>no internet
>no shitposting
>no fapping to anime
>no pirating vidya
I now understand why they treat vampirism as a curse.

>>718401264
I pretty much guarantee people in these threads are old as fuck. Zoomies don’t know this game and haven’t had it on preorder for 7 years.

>>718387047
You will never be a woman and bloodlines 2 will never be a bloodlines sequel

>>718401264
>noooooo stop exposing the game as trash, my job is on the line!
kill yourself

>>718401334
>No downloading mods and maps for classic games

>>718386843 (OP)
where is the Asian clan in game 2?

>>718401983
download from where, dingus?

why do you people act like TCR shot your mom?
i'm a fan of wod. i played swansong. i played the visual novels. i played some of the text only games. i played redemption. when i'm bored i read the books and imagine my own stories even though i never actually played the tabletop rpg and never will.

i'll buy bloodlines 2 and none of you can stop me from enjoying it.

>>718401995
They're racist against Asians

>>718402392
我应该如何玩这个游戏毫不掩饰的仇外心理?

>>718402162
godspeed, anon
(i want to play it on tabletop tho, but i'm forever gm and would have to run it for myself)

>>718401334
it's also in a sense enforcing the "most vamps are old and just don't get modern connectivity" thing
like if you looked really closely at it, you could even wonder if the designers don't really get it either, or are really wedded to a certain era that they do understand (just like actual vampires)
on a tangent, the class struggle in v5 is very much young vs. old, and half the time it feels like the designers don't really get that they're on the other side than what they think they are

>>718402132
>NWN Vault
>Half Life server archives
>File Front
>Mr. Wonko
>JKDF2.net
>Duke and Quake world archives
>Heaven Games
Plus
>Nexus
It may be woke but they do have a lot old mods for games like Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim

>>718402162
We're fans of WoD who have actually played it throughout its golden age. We lived through the best the setting can offer. All we want it is a glimpse of its former glory instead of seeing it be used as a cheap marketing tactic. We can't stop you from enjoying this shit, you can't stop us from complaining about it. You can't grasp the reasons we have to complain

>>718402162
we were taking the piss out of TCR before you were born, kiddo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae8_rbIxjmE

Its funny how shills here are paid to act like the characters look decent - or that the game may have sex appeal somewhere. It tells you the devs KNOW this is what all the fans want, and instead of just creating a few hot babes they spend time gas lighting and lying trying to swing support their way. I genuinely hate these devs since they still put their ideology of ugliness and despair above all else, yet still pretend to care about our views because they also desperately want money. I hope many on the dev team don't get re hired and starve to death alone.

>>718399926
I'm pretty sure Malk is out because of Fishmalks.
But at least they changed tne faggot voice in your head guy into being one.

>>718386843 (OP)

The only reason anyone has even heard of this game IS because it's called Bloodlines 2.

>>718402472
我甚至不会盗版

>>718403489
The characters do look decent, they just pale in comparison to vtmb's.

Also that's Damsel pic is horrible and looks nothing like her.

>>718403489
>AIjeet picture
gcj falseflag, ignore

>>718387047
Actually, they made Bubsy 3D.

>>718404134
>The characters do look decent
no they don’t lol

>>718403883
Yeah. My brother in-law is a gamer, he plays mostly stuff like Path of Exile or soulslike, but he follows gaming news. He never heard of Bloodhunt or Swansong. Last time when I mentioned Bloodlines 2 to him he was surprised, "Wasn't it cancelled?" Whole VtM (not to mention the rest of WoD) is so niche that barely anyone knows about it.

>>718402985
How do you access those if you can't into internet as a vampire?

>>718404482
What do you consider "decent" anon?
To me all the Bloodlines 2 characters they've shown look pretty inoffensive at worst.

can’t believe that they’re doing voiced dyke protagonist with silly marvel quip mascot in your le head…just completely retarded. the fact that it even got past the idea stage shows that these developers cannot be trusted.

>>718403489
>non-angry damsel
fuck off with that crap

>>718404609
That's the point I was making
>No downloading mods and maps for classic games
I was added an extra point to list that person I responded to posted

>>718404618
to me something like cyberpunk 2077 is the bare minimum for appealing western character design. there’s lots of uggos in that game but it doesn’t feel like the designers are suicidal like with most western games

>>718404636
Cyberpunk 2077 really fucked up everything huh?
At least they changed him to a Malk who thinks he's a Noir Detective, which might be kinda funny if it doesn't become irritating by the 30 minute mark.

>>718402162
> i'll buy bloodlines 2 and none of you can stop me from enjoying it.
Then why cry about the reception?
There will always be people who are mad about a game, but it’s either good or popular enough to drown it out. There’s no mystery why there’s a lot of expectation here, the whole reason they tried to make it twice is an in built fanbase that stretches decades. Nor then is there a mystery as to why people are skeptical of a project kicked around for a decade that already shat the bed so hard they rebooted it once.

You can’t have much brains if you’re second guessing why the discourse looks the way it does.

But it’s not like it’s impossible to please people. If they can reach millions of sales with fucking turnbased D&D in this age there’s nothing too boomer to succeed. Just make a good game.

>>718404943
funny thing with cyberpunk is that Johnny was shoehorned in at the very last minute so the entire main quest had to be redone in 6 months, what a clusterfuck

>>718404917
>there’s lots of uggos in that game but it doesn’t feel like the designers are suicidal
in 2077 the implication is that they're disgusting urban drones propping up a dystopian system rather than noble, beautiful, and something to emulate or the bog-standard average space-dwelling person (looking at you starfield)

>>718404943
>Cyberpunk 2077 really fucked up everything
Anon, that has been the trend for way longer then Cyberpunk. It started with Firewatch. Go back to Firewatch's release date and then move forward taking note of how many games have a disembodied voice that tells the main character what to do, provides exposition about the setting and quips occasionally. People complain about the yellow paint, but the disembodied voice is more ubiquitous and might be the weapon of choice of all developers exactly because people don't catch on to it as quickly/doesn't feel as cheap.

>>718405508
>firewatch
are you really young or something? why not pick something like bioshock? it was subverting the idea of being told where to go already, showing the concept was old and developed even back then. hell, firewatch plays it completely straight, the fakeout that the voice isn't real is just that, a fakeout

>>718405812
I am not claiming Firewatch was the origin of the disembodied voice, I'm saying it was the trend setter that made this entire generation of developers rely on the disembodied voice as a crutch. Also, I didn't play Bioshock, I was busy replaying Deus Ex and complaining about consolization here.

>>718392518
>I'm confused.
You're not confused, you're retarded.

>>718406141
I doubt very many RPG devs played Firewatch.

>>718405812
That is a weird fucking example, it took me a solid minute to remember what that game even was, and even then it's only because of the old jerma video
https://youtu.be/8_xW-SqyJAU?si=WDp1hnFMNogcXMsh

>>718405045
>You can’t have much brains if you’re second guessing why the discourse looks the way it does.
you can't have much brains if you think past performance = future results
it will probably be somewhere between "exceedingly mid" and "pretty good actually", but fuckwads like you will pretend like it's the worst game of the year.

>Nor then is there a mystery as to why people are skeptical of a project kicked around for a decade that already shat the bed so hard they rebooted it once.
the game should speak for itself. there's no reason to moan and groan. no one is telling you to preorder and give them your money before the word of mouth is out. dead island 2 was good and that was passed through three studios in dev hell for 10-11 years.

> If they can reach millions of sales with fucking turnbased D&D in this age there’s nothing too boomer to succeed. Just make a good game.
games live and die on audience appearance. the only reason the Witcher 3/C2077 and BG3 from two faggot studios with the worst ludographies in the industry sold more than 3 copies is because marketers said it was game of the year so easily swayed retards bought it because it was suggested to them it should be good when it's just lazy faggot propaganda. the same easily swayed retards won't even give VTM a chance because downers spent 6 years saying it will be shit, it's trash, it's not "real bloodlines 2", etc.

>>718392878
>you're the chosen one but you've been depowered
Lame.
Gay.
Retarded.
Boring.
Stupid.
Uninspired.
Shit.

>>718386843 (OP)
shut up

>>718406256
>it took me a solid minute to remember what that game even was
You're starting to grasp it.

No one has to have played the Firewatch and it can remain forgotten, but you're now playing games developed by a generation of trannies that were trained by people who praised that game intensely for its narrative and went to perpetuate the tremendous value of the "radio buddy" for "worldbuilding", "player immersion" and "player retention through reduced frustration".

>>718392518
whats the new art then? provide an example of the current designs.

>>718395949
>op shits on the game
>call him a shill
Are you insane? Are you a shill?
Are you a paid shill?

I will now inhale amounts of copium that would kill a lesser man. I think this last delay of this shitshow cursed game is due to politics and recent successes of games like Stellar Blade, Marvel Rivals, Wu Chang and some others. People are absolutely tired of getting ugly "realistic" women in games and media and are now sometimes even choosing shit games solely because of the design style of characters. So now these mentally leftarded freaks making this game are freaking out because their whole game is a fucking insult to taste, visually, narratively, etc. you name it. So my copium heavy theory is that by some miracle the game is getting "fixed" and we'll get an acceptable game in the end.

>>718407292
Dreaming is free, Anon.
But the game will still be $80.

>>718407292
>I WILL HAVE MY BIG TITTED VAMPIRE GF EVEN IF IT KILLS ME

>>718407292
They'll jusy copy-paste Jeannette's model all over the game

I've never seen a bigger dicksucker than this this guy defending this game so vehemently. It's ridiculous, every single thread about this game he is CONSTANTLY here going
>that's old pictures
>those are old videos
>that's old gameplay
When there's very little anything new to look at, which alone is a clear red flag considering we're this close to release, but even what is new BARELY looks any different. Combined with weird delusions that Phyre looks different when that thing looks the same, plus posts that feel weird as fuck to read like you can really feel how forced they are always being some shit like
>Hmm the more I think about it I daresay everything about this looks very good I really cannot wait to get my hands on this and play this, oh it will be such a good time

Just what motivates a guy to be like this. Is it that hope of wanting a game to be good, I mean I get that obviously there's a lot of games I wanted to be good, but never enough to delude myself like this

>>718407292
yeah no i'm ready to accept even a halfway functional game but you'd have to be on drugs to think the delays were anything but a desperate attempt to get it to that state

>>718387047
It's the same fucking thing with Baldur's Gate 3, a game that has literally 0 fucking connections with Baldur's Gate 3.
Why call it that?
Why bother?
Just call it "Squiddy Adventures" or some shit, you don't HAVE to call it a sequel to make it successful, just do your own shit.
That would be like if Bioshock was called System Shock 3, when it had no fucking connection to it.

>>718403489
>It tells you the devs KNOW this is what all the fans want, and instead of just creating a few hot babes they spend time gas lighting
>just creating a few hot babes

I've said this before and will keep saying it: creating hot babes is HARD. It's not something that happens by itself, it's a skill that you have to cultivate through practice. There's only one kind of beauty but infinite kinds of ugliness.

Making the characters hot is not just a "do we want to do it" question, it's a "are we talented and skilled enough to do it" question. And most game devs today are not talented or skilled.

>>718407384
Yup, thats why emphasized the copium in my delirious post. And honestly I don't care about the price at all, if the game eventually does release and is good I'd pay whatever they ask for it or pirate it.
>>718407420
you got it all wrong, WE will get our fucking undead gfs that are OWED to us.

>>718407670
I don't know about you but I much rather all females be bimbos than have an outer worlds situation if those are the only 2 options.

>>718407685
he is either a schizo or a shill
his passiveness really comes across through his writing style, i would bet money on him being a shill for TCR or Sumo

>>718407420
ESPECIALLY if it kills me.

>>718407292
sumo digital have hidden their ESG page on their website >>718392568
so perhaps, but still unlikely

>>718407685
>>that's old pictures
>>those are old videos
>>that's old gameplay
is he wrong?

>>718386843 (OP)
What, you think if Paradox had just named it Vampire : The Masquerade nobody would have compared it to Bloodlines? lol

>>718407685
he won't ever post a so called "current" image/video either, what a colossal faggot.

>>718386843 (OP)
Why do you keep making these threads you pathetic corporate faggot.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/718295193/#718305440

give us what we want or shut your studio down
your choice, make it a wise one

I just want marketer man here to know that if by some divine chance we ever meet and I DO find out who you are, I'm going to kill you. That also goes for anyone involved in the faggotification of my dear games.

>>718407685
He is an actual paid shill, like he most likely works for paradox of some third world shill firm that they contracted he was caught samefagging in another thread pretending to be multiple to argue >>718409145

discord raid

>>718386843 (OP)
they wanted a bloodlines sequel, blame the original devs who rugpulled paradox

the current state of this industry where you can’t even compete with a buggy piece of shit from 20 years ago

>>718407685
>imagine being so jaded that you hope a game turns out bad instead of good
>on a channel that is literally called video games

>>718409406
it was pretty obvious there was a shill since someone kept posting with the same talking points and endless defense of the game once it got close to having (another) release date announced

>>718407685
What does "shill" even mean? Are you a "shill"? Is there a "shill" in the room with you right now?

>>718409576
He always tries to use the “people talking about games on the video game board” cope but fails since no one gives a shit about this game aside from the people that hate it since it’s a shitty sequel to a cult classic. Like I don’t know the goal here. Is it to pad the blow? Because no amount of narrative pushing is going to change what people think about this shit because there are little to no normalfags involved in the discourse to lie to. It’s mostly people that have been playing the game for years.

>>718409572
no one likes or even plays videogames here
if you came here for videogame discussion, you came to the wrong board
all actual 4chan users know this

>>718409738
>>718409857
Oh look the dicksucker is back with the same shitty copes. The best part is he does all of this shit while never playing VtMB.

>>718406270
Your opinion is worthless cherrypicking that even tries to dismiss pure performance based metrics. Marketers have tried to make endless games successes and failed. It’s complete derangement on your part acting like they dictate performance.
> there's no reason to moan and groan.
That’s my point to which you replied with a big bag of bitching whine. What a dumb cunt you are.

are there any interesting vampire strategy games?
some guy posted a ck3 mod once, but it was stupid cause everyone was a vampire

>>718410530
vamps in total warhammer are fun

>>718410530
idk, total war warhammer?

>>718387047
Vampire: The Masquerade: YOOO THIS SHIT'S PHYRE

hope they show something at gamescom opening night or the future game show

>>718410720
>>718410751
ah yeah, played it a lot already
hope they update them honestly

>>718408851
TCR isn't with Sumo Digital anymore, right?

>>718410840
they bought themselves out a month ago i think

>>718410835
In that case there's also warsword conquest for warband or the equivalent for bannerlord but this one is still WIP, I heard it's supposedly good enough to play in its current state but i'd wait until they add some more factions.

>>718408941
Yes, nothing has changed.

*Gothic Sip*
>It doesn't need to release in Q1 2020, Q4 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
>It doesn't need a gothic atmosphere
>It doesn't need dark nightclubs with no RGB twitch thot lighting.
>It doesn't need Chiasm
>It doesn’t need Lacuna Coil
>It doesn’t need Darling Violetta
>It doesn’t need Type O Negative
>It doesn’t need sexy goth female vampires that I actually want to fuck and suck.
>It doesn’t need devs who actually give a fuck about VTMB
>It doesn’t need levels that force you to play them
>It doesn’t need the Tzimische
>It doesn’t need Malkavian's who are actually fun to play and have interesting dialogue
>It doesn’t need characters who have anatomically correct necks.
>It doesn’t need better facial animation than VTMB1
>It doesn't need less janky shooting or melee combat than VTMB1
>It doesn’t need at least the same number of clans if not more than VTMB1
>It doesn’t need writing and dark themes in the World of DARKNESS that doesn't give a fuck if it triggers you or not.
>It doesn’t need a team that’s not mentally ill who cry about their own body dysphoria like anyone gives a fuck.
>It doesn’t need Brian Mitsoda
>It doesn’t need Ka’ai Cluney.
>It doesn’t need Avellone
>It doesn’t need to follow the original concept of Thinbloods
>It doesn’t need young Damsel
>It doesn’t need writers whose job is not to cut up the project and throw it out the door
>It doesn’t need actual dialogue options instead of Fallout 4 dialogue
>It doesn’t need to not have a pre-defined character and a shitty-voiced protagonist
>It doesn’t need to not have Vampire Johnny Silverhand
>It doesn’t need an actual twist instead of FABIEN THE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD IS THE ELDER THE WHOLE TIME ZOINKS
>It doesn’t need to take inspiration from BLOODLINES 1
>It doesn't need to release in 2024
WE ARE NOW HERE
>It doesn’t need to release in the first half of 2025
I will keep doing this every time some Paradox shill wants to make a VTMB2 cope thread.

>>718412358
But it has tho.

>>718412484
>I will spam copypasta every time I see something I don't like
at least you'll be easy to filter

>>718386949
>open world
Isn't it hub-based?

>>718407685
>Just what motivates a guy to be like this
a daily check every week.
it's blatantly obvious it's the devs damage controlling

>>718412498
Post the 'new' protagonist look then, surely it's trivial to post a picture on an imageboard?

>>718412560
Game is fucked, advertise elsewhere, we know that marketing starts back up now that we're getting closer to Gamescom and October.

Am I the only one who thinks Bloodlines 2 looks like and will probably end up being a pretty good Deus Ex game?

>>718386843 (OP)
Honestly not a unfounded opinion, but if they just made another "Masquerade" game I think most people would just give up on it--DOA.
Bloodlines is that classic corpo technique of using familiar thing to drive sales.

You just really can't capture the aesthetic of the original because it isn't simply outfits and clothing, it isn't ALL just jungle music and night clubs, it's about a shared cultural experience of the 90s--Coming out of the 80s gave us this peak NuGoth era of industrial music, 80s style sexual recklessness, etc. Not to mention AIDs pretty much killed the casual sex scene in the 80s. Bloodlines 1 is so sexual because the 90s were so sexual, nowadays the real world is just too scared and too post-ironic to be openly sexual like that. Men can't be sexy at women, they have to be sexy for women. Women can only be sexy when you meet a strict set of rules. It just simply can't exist. It's a pale imitation. Like someone painting a room in bright neon colors and calling it the 80s when the 80s was actually so much more.

>>718386843 (OP)
Sometimes I dream of a reality where these B-tier studios stop pretending to be otherwise. Make a game with the same graphical fidelity as VtMB, put it out with an indie game pricetag, make a modest profit and call it a day.

We should probably just start talking about the first game in there threads.
I'm thinking about doing a low humanity nossie playthrough soon to see how much low humanity changes and pick the worst possible quest outcomes bunus XP be damned.

>>718412770
go post in gacha threads this is actual video game discussion not just anime jpeg jerk off sessions

>>718387047
>The team made Bloodlines 2
>https://gameinformer.com/exclusive-interview/2025/08/15/what-makes-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-a-bloodlines-game

> The art is modernized, and between the combat overhaul, the more linear approach to storytelling, and a completely new developer, it does raise a big question: why call it Bloodlines 2? After all, if the new game is so different from the original, why tie it to that game instead of calling it something new?

>When I ask creative director Alex Skidmore why the game is called Bloodlines 2 instead of something else, he thinks for a while, then starts his answer by saying, "It's what we were asked to do." It's an honest response.
This game ain't fucking Bloodlines 2, other than brand recognition.

>>718391236
>Jeanette skin
>bra

>>718412679
But the shill already did that?

>>718413104
I accept your concession, shill

>>718413054
There's no discussion here, other than trying to defend an absolute dumpsterphyre.

>>718413093
She does have a red bra.
>t. model researcher

>>718413068
I mean, what else can he even say?
They're a studio called in 3 years late into a horrible development cycle and told to make the unfinished scraps suck less.

>>718413190
Retard.

>>718413316
I agree, I'm just more surprised by his honest response rather than some PR marketing bullshit he could've spouted to them.

>>718413194
>there's no discussion that I APPROVE
ftfy

>>718387047
Paradox themselves don't even consider this an actual sequel, they just see it as taking inspiration.
>https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/bloodlines-2-is-more-spiritual-successor-than-sequel-to-a-a-competently-good-game-by-2004-standards-say-paradox

>>718412864
>Make a game with the same graphical fidelity as VtMB, put it out with an indie game pricetag, make a modest profit and call it a day.
I've often wondered why people don't do this more often as it seems like such an obvious slam dunk. Someone could essentially re-release VtMB or Fallout 2 with a new story, and fans will buy it, with little risk of tanking your IP.
I figure it comes down to two things:
Investors controlling the purse strings who don't play video games themselves, and probably actively hate video games and think they are for losers,
combined with corporate employees who are looking for projects to glom onto that they can milk for years of secure paychecks while doing very little

>>718412858
so you're saying we're in the thin-blood era

>>718414963
in a sense, yeah
everything now is just an imitation of the past, a post-creative era where "Creatives" diablerize their predecessors

>>718413793
Because modern audiences are grafix fags and do not want that shit. They look at VTMB like you look at N64 graphics, they think something like that in 2025 is a joke. Every modern release has to compete with AAA crap and that means looking and sounding like the same crap with the same technology or you're just wasting a publisher's money.

>>718414991
post the latest images of the MC, shill-kun
instead of year-old subpar environment screenshots

>>718413316
Apparently people /wanted/ him to pull some lying marketingspeak?

>>718415190
tfw cant just sleep through it and wake up really hungry and powerful when times are good again

>>718415575
That's VTMB1, lil bro...

>>718415575
smartest schizo, everyone

>>718415575
when you're so desperate to anti-shill that you start making shit up lmao

>>718415575
As if you needed more proof that shillschizos are just here to shitpost.

>shillschizo exposed
>thread comes to a standstill
weird

>>718413194
>dumpsterphyre

>>718412560
>says the fag spamming the same threads daily

>>718404272
yeah bro, bloodlines 2 totally has great chicks

>>718416846
Makes you think, doesn't it?

>>718412560
>said the chinese room shill
lol kys

>>718413316
Should have just said no.

>>718406798
Nah I think you're just trying to save face because you made yourself look young and silly.

>>718414991
this looks so good

>>718417349
>>718417248
buddy I think you've got more pressing posts to be replying to lmao

>>718417430
Source engine is pretty cool

>>718417610
real time lighting was a mistake

>>718388687
Wait, Im forced to be this monstrosity? I know it's a vampire game, but this is too much.

>>718409145
>>718409406
that last thread was mine, I'm not the OP now, you guys are actually retarded

>>718407685
I am almost sure it's the transvestite from paradox forum, same writing style and arguments pretty much
Here's his thread for example
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/reaction-to-the-pcgamer-article.1767647/

>>718417705
>okay I am in this thread but it’s totally not me that made it
>says the lying samefag that spent hours going apeshit and talking to himself after being called out as a shill

>>718417678
>Wait, Im forced to be this monstrosity?
No.

>>718417475
Nah, there is nothing to say about this shit show that hasn’t already been said. It’s just about letting everyone know who you are now. And I’m not the other guy, unlike you I don’t need to larp as other people to argue.

>>718391380
Alright, you spineless liar faggot devs, but that doesn't explain why slutty women are gone if you want to capture current cities.

>>718386843 (OP)
If the music is good and the characters are cool like the fat black guy and spic anarchist and the writing is good then maybe the game will be good

>absolute meltdown to try and bury his embarrassment

you hate to see it folks

>>718391380
>That's what they did, though. Kinda. As they put it
Funny how the actual game doesn’t match that and everything just looks like generic trash trying to look “next gen”.

>>718418072
Nigga it's winter.

>>718417952
Not a shill, also, why do you care so much if this games is being talked about

>>718418153
The composer for the first game left and they’re using what is left of his composition as DLC, and as for characters, come the fuck on. And shilltard everyone’s knows Fat Larry and Nines.

>>718418356
>im not a shill I just make threads trying to discuss anything crumb about a game that I acknowledge has nothing to talk about because uhhhh…. WHY DO YOU CARE
You’re a shill, everyone knows it at this point. It’s just going to get worse until release and the it’s going to be hell since this shit is going to flop hard.

On the one hand, oh, cool, another Bloodlines 2 thread, on the other, the anti-shill schizos are at it again...

>>718394194
Ah nice. Maybe we're finally going to get enough data to make an educated guess, at last.

>>718418153
i haven't really heard anything that interesting from the OST. and there's pretty much zero chance it's going to have licensed music as good as vtmb.

>>718395347
It looks cool
Any gameplay of stealing guns?

>>718417868
Christ that's some advanced autism

>>718394456
Ano, Seattle is full of assholes, so was L.A.

>>718418725
>Any gameplay of stealing guns?
Check the "betting man" trailer, there is a snippet

>>718386843 (OP)
It was different game before though. And looked closer to Bloodlines than currently.

>>718418725
>>718418783
Stop talking to yourself. Seriously the fact that you know all this random shit and can name trailers off the top of you fucking head about a game that has been pushed so inorganically is pathetic.

>>718418798
Yeah, the Hardsuit version was much more "Bloodlines 2" than the current one, but the gameplay trailers and the leaks were all fucking horrible.

>anons finally realized its devs shilling their garbage here
I can't believe any real person is optimistic about this game.

>>718418921
>can't remember game trailer names
NGMI
>>718418952
>finally
We've known for months nigga

>>718418951
Yeah it was shit but still at least they tried.

>>718419031
>shill has to pretend his behavior is the norm
>also has to pretend he’s not a shill

>>718418921
I'm beginning to think you are the shill, stop bumping the thread if you don't care, you're pathetic

>>718419110
Actual schizophrenia, you hate to see it.

>>718419031
I don't know I had multiple people one thread denying it and calling me retarded.

>>718419171
>has to talk to himself to hype up game
>can remember the names of trailers and specific shit that happens in the
>admitted to being in other thread and samefagging there
>n-no u shill
It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion

>on this shithole of a board 24/7 talking about videogames
>do it for free

how do i get a shill job ? Is it too late and only offshored to brown turdies?

>>718417868
>But we are not a nobody. We are somebody. We are an elder, and I cant wait to see how we are going to take back everything that was taken from us. Everything that is rightfully ours!
HOLY FUCK HAHAHA IS THIS GUY LIKE 15 YEARS OLD?

You think there's going to be anything from the other series? Werewolf doesn't count because it was in the first game and i feel like it's expected that we'll see one in the sequel

>>718419190
>cries schizo
>despite admitting he was doing this shit before
Not having a good day?

>>718407685
Is he the one who kept shilling Dan Pinchback or whatever his name is.

>>718419335
Wraith could be cool, Hunter is obviously in

>>718419335
>>718419394
You think you’re going to get laid off when this shit flops?

>>718418921
> the fact that you know all this random shit and can name trailers off the top of you fucking head
So can I anon. We are fans. You know, /fanatics/
I have all the published vids, pictures and dev diaries downloaded on my hard drive.
And I'm speaking about the game here - the eternal palimpsest toilet wall of the internet - because I love my friends and I'd rather they don't shoot me for bringing the subject yet again.

>>718418951
That saddens me terribly, the HSL version looked like something I wanted to play.

>>718419335
Hunter would be cool
>>718419367
>One Piss fan is mentally ill

>>718419431
>the HSL version looked like something I wanted to play.
if there is one thing i'll give it to mitsoda and gang, they got the sleaze horror urban vibe, just that thinblood stuff was weird and game itself probably played like ass lol

Don't care, modern devs can't seem to comprehend that the WOD should have a gothic atmosphere and not fucking bisexual lighting everywhere.

>>718419431
>is a fan of a shitty sequel to a cult classic that has been in development hell for years and has shown he’s so unhinged that he will larp as other people and talk to himself
You’re a shill, you are paid to do this stupid shit and you get mad when people point that out.
>I have all the published vids, pictures and dev diaries downloaded on my hard drive
That’s because it’s your job to advertise the game and tell people about it. Which is why you’re a shill. But thanks for admitting that.
>because I love my friends and I'd rather they don't shoot me for bringing the subject yet again
You and your “friends” will be fired when this shit fails. But remember you spent the last few months shilling trash and crying to yourself.

>>718419425
I don’t think the game is going to be great but I like knowledge and i want to see how it turns out regardless of the outcome
>>718419394
Oh yeah hunter, oops.
Also never read about wraith desu, would the ghost mansion in the first game count for that or is it something different

>>718419607
vampires are inherently bisexual

>>718419431
>we are fans

>>718419639
meds

>>718419504
>crying about reaction image
>still can’t actually deny he’s samefagging
Oh boy this is reaching the next level. What going to bitch about TF2 next?

>>718419504
A hunter game set in Seattle (or Boston I guess, though it's less evident), in which you play day strike teams of the SI obliterating vampires you've seen in BL2 could save ressources (but then people would cry lazyness) while also introducing interesting things in terms of dynamics.
Might just be me though.

>>718419671
>Also never read about wraith desu, would the ghost mansion in the first game count for that or is it something different
that counts yeah, wraith always seemed experimental to me

>>718419671
Why? What about this game would be appealing to you or anyone? It’s a sequel to a game that came out over 20 years ago, all the people that know about it already are put off by it since it’s being held up to a cult classic. And the people that haven’t don’t give a fuck since it’s basically as under the radar as you can get. You make no fucking sense as a person and all you do is just advertise and talk to yourself.

>>718419541
Yeah, the Thinblood premise was strange, like, we know for a fact that a Thinblood would get basically everyone in his city against him if he tried to climb up the ranks(or even exist at all).
>>718419717
if you play TF2 you're either a tranny or brazilian, and i don't know which is worse.

>>718418921
You sound schizophrenic

>>718419878
>STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT I DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT
at this point you're just wasting your breath

>>718419707
>no argument
Looks like I hit a nerve.

>>718419883
It was supposed to be you prove yourself to one of the factions and then they let you suck a criminal vampire to become a full vampire iirc.

>>718419394
>wraith wasn’t in the first one
U sure bout that?

>>718419883
>if you play TF2 you're either a tranny or brazilian
Man you really are just grasping at anything.

>>718419786
an actual Hunter the Vigil game, where you play as average joes like neighborhood watch where you fighting world of darkness monsters would be cool as fuck

>>718420013
Hey, you asked for my opinion.

>>718419903
>says the fag that keeps replying to the same post that pissed him off
>also the same retard that admitted to doing the exact same shit the other day

>>718419961
>start game by diablerizing
>this won’t bite us in the neck later :^)

>>718387047
oh i thought it's a prequel to cyberpunk

>>718419786
Would be cool.
I like the SI purely because modern day military knight is a cool ass aesthetic and i never got to play Bloodhunt.

>>718419883
>we know for a fact that a Thinblood would get basically everyone in his city against him if he tried to climb up the ranks(or even exist at all).
Yeah pretty much, I think they should have stuck to their guns and made a thinblood only game lol, would have been experimental to say the least

Hop in, you were told not to open this shill thread

>>718420057
>shill doesn’t know what a rhetorical question is
>shill still can’t deny samefagging
So this is the level you’re at? Imagine being this kind of autist.

>>718420102
Well we will never know the repercussions of it now. I want the og game to leak badly.

>>718420102
>>718419961
Also this, it was weird that Camarilla let you diablerize, even if it was a blood hunt criminal

>>718420094
Just so you know that webm was also from VTMB1. Wouldn't want you making THAT mistake again...

>>718419878
Honestly I don’t really understand your motivations either. I just like to talk about games. I may never play bloodlines 2 but I’m still somewhat interested in what it’ll be like. I like to see what will happen, good or bad, and speculating is fun too. I’m wary about sequels but they still give some room for conversation, which I find to be fun.
>>718419870
Ah neat. I have to give it a read some time.

>>718420039
Hunter as a no-finesse metaphor for lower classes litrerally struggling against the (vampire-led) gentrification of their neighbourhood... I wonder how critics would stomach that one.

>>718420039
the reckoning always sounded cool in terms of titles

Any good Hunter games?

>>718420335
i just like blasting horrors with a shotgun bro what are you saying

>>718420335
>poor good rich bad
pretty easy to predict the take

>>718420419
The hunter games that exist are good but really only as beat em ups.

>>718420102
Could have been a Prince-called bloodhunt, in which case, dear little thinblood has made enemies, but hasn't technically gone against the law of the land. Not that it lmatters much since the very existence of a thinblood goes agasint it, but still.

>>718420431
Sorry, just a silly idea.

>>718420263
>>718420313
>Just so you know that webm was also from VTMB1
Yeah, you took them from other people and are trying to make it seem like you played the game but didn’t even know Fat Larry or Nines. And I’m not that guy. I know you think that your behavior is the norm but not everyone here needs to larp as other people to argue. You’re exceptionally pathetic in that regard.
>Honestly I don’t really understand your motivations either. I just like to talk about games
You’re really not, you’re advertising, you’re here to shill some shit game that no one cares about and in spamming threads daily you have brought attention to yourself. But since you can’t explain why you give a shit and everything you do say never adds up you have to cope and say that it’s about “discussion”
>I may never play bloodlines 2
Yet you have all the footage and other shit saved to your hard drive because?
>inb4 that’s not meee
Cool I’m sure you can prove that and it you won’t just end up crying schizo and dodging for the rest of the thread.

>>718420419
>Hunter games
two shit xbox games
>good
tough luck

The guys who made the New York VtM VNs were making a Hunter game, but its vaporware now

>>718419786
>Boston I guess
Would never do it right, and would butcher my man.

>>718420641
They were good thobeit

>>718417610
how fucking pavlovian is this game ingrained in my fucking brainpan that just looking at pictures like this and the background music IMMEDIATELY starts playing in my ears

>>718407685
I wouldn't even care if it was just some lefty who was happy with the ugliness of the game, but the fact that he lies and pretends the girls are sexy is what's truly pathetic. They KNOW what players want but actively design against it.

>>718421054
they might have been good games, but they're shit Hunter games

hey wait a minute...

>spends hours in a thread talking about a game he doesn't like, sequel to a game he hasn't played
>actually schizophrenic, can't tell the difference between the very clear shill and regular anons just from their way of writing
>doing this for free, at least the shill is getting paid
What a sad existence

>>718421092
I can’t hear the name Vigo without thinking about boats.

ngl vampires SUCK

>>718421232
its best to just ignore him i think, he should tire at some point right?
>>718421303
he's supposed to be romero, isnt he? he's obviously working night shift at the graveyard, but cant say that so he blurts yacht club to impress deb

>>718421303
>>718421423
Deb. You read it in his voice

>>718392841
If you had any doubt the Western gaming landscape can only be purified by walking through fire, this is it.

>>718420607
>Prince-called bloodhunt,
Maybe. I remember the dude was called Cross. I don't know what they renamed him to.

>>718421232
>still can’t deny argue anything
>has resigned himself to passive aggressively replying and crying about how he was called out for shilling a game he admitted he probably won’t play despite also admitting he has all of the news, footage, and info saved
>whenever he gets called out for talking to himself he just cries schizo but can never post a screencap or even deny it
>thinks there is any deniability after admitting he is the same retard that was caught samefagging in the other thread and then went silent when that was pointed out
>has to say no u about shilling despite the fact that he’s the only one saying the game will be good
What’s sad is how hard you try to do this shit and yet still fail. Start looking for a new job retard, you’re going to need it by November.

God I wanna fuck her, will they allow such thing is B2?

>>.718420823
I was just thinking of it because post-Swansong, but you're probably right. That said, how old is he now? Passed two centuries? A monster in his own right, lost, out of his time. Would make a cool target for a hunyer group (with possible subvertion to help) actually.

>>718421378
That's their thing

>>718421423
As long as you keep talking to yourself and having this breakdown I’ll be here reminding you how pathetic you are. While all you will do is say “no u” and cry schizo to cope

>>718421585
Had to look it up, his name is Campbell now.
>>718421641
They talked some stuff about "romantic feeding", do what you will with that

>>718421779
>>718421616
Tertiary nigger

I’m a fake real fake emo fan of vtmb

>>718421730
>They couldn't find a way to kill him, so the best option they have is to starve him out, and they kill anyone who feeds him blood

cool murder grandpa is cool

>>718421616
>deny argue
You already humiliated yourself with the VTMB1 screenshot, there's no coming back from that I'm afraid

>>718421992
>says the retard that didn’t know who fat larry and nines were
>still no screencap or denial of samefagging

Why are you all so schizo, jesus christ.

>>718422029
>You already humiliated yourself with the VTMB1 screenshot
It wasn’t me since I’m not a pathetic faggot that needs to larp as five people to argue. But good job not trying to argue or deny anything I said while replying again to the same post.

>>718388492
well post the new artwork or fuck off fag

>718422172
Yeah why do you need to pretend to be other people and shill some shit game that no one cares about? I mean I would figure you would just talk about VtMB if you liked the game but this is just insane.

>>718422245
>>718422423
Go play vtmb man, no sense in seething about sequel to a game you haven't played.

>>718422470
>>718422423
I want to confess. I samefag as three different posters here

>>718422310
Not that anon, but going from the GI cover, you can see they made the face less round, sharpened the features a bit... It's not a fundamental change, but there is a noticeable difference.

>>718422470
What’s your next cope faggot? So far you’re doing everything just to avoid showing you’re one guy while replying to posts that were apparently not to you. Here’s an idea, why don’t you take your own advice and stop shilling this trash, maybe then you’ll see why people can see you’re a shill.

>>718422657
Shilling is fun

>>718422671
>gets btfo
>has to start pretending to troll after getting mad and crying schizo for an hour

I mean the same shit happened to Prey and that game is one of if not the best imsim ever made.

The Chinese Room are based too so I'll hope for the best from them

Man Phyre looks so cool!! I can't wait to buy the game in October. You guys are the same right? I just know The Chinese Room will offer a deeply complex narrative compared to the 2000s campiness of Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines

>>718422814
you really need to go back, so you can see who wrote a post and downvote it, nigger

>>718422671
Based and redpilled. Keep shilling until they start crying blood about how “soulless” everything is. If Baldur’s Gate 3 taught us anything, it’s that all it takes is one good game to make the NPCs do a complete 180 and pretend they liked it all along.

>>718422952
>pretending to troll failed
>has to say i’m a reddit cuck
>while shilling reddit cuck game
It’s just gets better and better.

>>718422901
>I mean the same shit happened to Prey
Are you retarded?
The human head prey 2 and the arkane prey are two entierly different games. Bethesda just decided to slap the prey name on it, it was actually supposed to be called somethind like psychoshock. It's not even the same genre.

>>718423084
>still trying to ad hominem on 4chan
you do not belong here, move on

>>718421378
>vampires SUCK
>>718422923
>Phyre looks so cool!
Stop it with the silly puns, Carlos!

>>718389154
This has such saints row vibes

>>718423159
>cries about as hominem after not being able to argue and crying that im a redditfag
So you don’t know what ad hominem means?

>>718386843 (OP)
Ayo holy up so u be saying we finna sum kinda vampirez kindred n shieeet

>>718422814
>>718422952
>>718422984
ehehehe

>>718389787
Why
Mass effect 2 was the enjoyable kind of movie game
Also illusive man was literally right about everything. Which is why they had to defile his character in ME3

>>718387047
>bioshock hands out
It's so many steps back from modern games and even Bloodlines 1
>>718386949
>>718386843 (OP)
I wonder why they fired Hardsuit entirely and swapped over to TCR with a new engine and basically starting over from scrap. I know Hardsuit was having difficulties meeting deadlines but surely releasing 2-3 years late > releasing 5-7 years late and paying for the full game from scratch

>>718423268
>not being able to argue
what is there to argue you retarded monkey, I told you I'm not a shill and you can't accept that

>>718420181
Ribbit.

>>718423142
I'm talking about Prey OG and Prey 2017, not the cancelled sequel. It's the same shit - another entry in the series that wasn't even supposed to be another entry originally, different genre (imsim vs action RPG), different studio etc

>>718391009
Sales are just a bonus
All of this is an investment into terra forming the cultural landscape by Semitic bankers

>>718423287
>admits to being a shill Man
lol, thanks retard

>>718423245
If you mean the reboot, naaahh, don't be silly.
Bloodlines 2 looks likes it has some issues. It doesn't look like a complete betrayal of the original. Tonally, the worse I can say about it so far it is that it looks more VtM than Bloodlines.

>>718423435
>basically starting over from scrap.
They got the rights to wod in 2016, HSL version was supposed to come out in 2018, paradox doesn't have any problems with unfinished games so it must have been REALLY shit for them to axe it lol

>>718423439
>what is there to argue you retarded monkey
That’s you’re not a shill, that you’re not samefagging.
> I told you I'm not a shill
And then you said you were here >>718422671 and replied to yourself to keep going. I don’t know why you’re having such a hard time with this. Like do you have memory issues or something? You remembered being in the other thread just fine.

>>718423142
>>718423452
Prey happened so that Bethesda didn't lose the IP rights rather than because Arkane wanted it to be Prey. I believe Paradox outright owns white wolf so they can't lose the VtM IP even if they sit on their asses

>>718423576
but the thing is it wasn't shit, we've seen the HSL version and it not only looked playable in some aspects it looked vastly superior to what we currently have as TCR has never made a combat-centric rpg (or an rpg entirely iirc)

>>718423452
It's not the same at all.
The 2017 prey never had anything to do with the 2006 game. It's quite literally just the name slapped on it because they had the IP licensing around.
They never even tried to connect the games in ANY way.
Meanwhile this shit is in the same universe and also reuses characters from the Hardsuit Labs version which was suposed to be a sequel to VTMB1 and even had returning characters like Damsel in it.
Are you out of your fucking mind?

>>718423435
>difficulties hitting deadlines
Iirc Hardsuit just straight up stopped working on the game at some point without authorization from Paradox, and they were still in the Alpha stages 2 years into development due to most the devs on the team being inexperienced college students.

>>718423613
Here, so you can see you're talking to a bunch of people and not just one guy, you're actually schizo

>>718423683
>but the thing is it wasn't shit
it was shit though, the leaked build with not!ocean house was dogshit lol

shill thread

>>718423683
Idk, i think the gameplay trailer was pretty dogshit, more like something that would come out rignt after vtmb than a real sequel.

>>718423754
I know what inspect element is faggot, and you have used it before. It took you this long to finally post a screencap and you just end up doing this shit.

>>718423435
>I wonder why they fired Hardsuit entirely
Look at the Glassdoor reviews for HSL, if you're as bored as some of us: they were bleeding personel faster than they could get new hires up to task. Higher management signed up for a game they didn't have the talent nor manpower to make, believing in the usual delusion rich people have that throwing money at the problem would solve the talent issue. And they never managed to assemble a proper working team (which takes time; not something easy to pull, less so in a state of constant rush).
Basically, from what we can see, HSL was never a proper working studio, just barely coihordinated sub-units.

this game is gonna blow it out the park!

>>718420641
Ultimately the problem with the WoD game IPs are that
>vampire
is rather the most fleshed out between feasible player/NPC power and has a good mix of genre's and combat/roleplay while everything else is rather hard on a specific genre.
>Werewolf
All murder, not much roleplay, too OP to actually make a compelling video game without it being action game sloppa like earthblood
>Hunter
Too much investigation, too many shit writers in gamedev
>Wraith
Lol
>Mage
Genuinely impossible.
Vampire is just the most well rounded and unique in terms of being a more gothic version of real life

HSL version wins by having a non-voiced protagonist and multiple text options to pick from

>>718423987
>another ¢5 has been added to your account

>>718392007
this. people suck off bloodlines but the only thing good about is the characters. the combat, map layouts, general flow of the game is are all terrible once you get to downtown and beyond. it is IMPOSSIBLE to bloodlines 2 to be a worse 'game' even though it will almost certainly have worse writing and characters.

>>718424067
Because everything else look like shit as well

>>718423738
>>718423979
Yeah I guess that would do it. Seems like Bloodlines 2 was doomed from the start Ironically just like 1 with Troika already being on it's way out
>>718423797
>>718423874
Relative to what we have on the leaked footage (not the triailers) it looked a lot more sound conceptually than what we currently have. As for the quality yeah it was very unfinished though

too many bots in this thread

>>718424268
Just report them

>>718424067
>Flow of the game
Before the sewers it's actually quite good I'd say. Even post-sewers there's a lot of great sidequests and roleplay in Chinatown and Hollywood. As for map layouts, generally yes because it's generic tombs and sewers but the Giovanni Mansion, the Malkavian place, Museum, and Island are all pretty good. They're just bogged down by the shit combat and very clearly unfinished nature of what would have been a small quest hub in a finished product

>>718423994
>>Hunter
I think a telltale style game a la first season walking dead or wolf among us would make for a cool hunter game

I like that the Paradox ceo said he will never do a rpg game again and a "Bloodlines 3" would be made by someone else.

>>718424489
It would be good but outside of Telltale, who was on a massive downhill spiral, there just aren't many good writers for investigation orientated games
>CDPR
Shackled to Witcher/Cyberpunk
>Rockstar
Good writers but obsessed with realism, also IP slaves to 5+ year development times
There simply aren't many AA/AAA studios capable of or willing to make games like that
>Arkane
Dead, Bethesda slave
>Wolfeye studio
Shackled to the western
>>718424574
Probably if they actually used an in-house team or let the french psychos at Streum On work their jank magic there wouldn't be nearly as many issues instead of using a bunch of contracters

>>718398168
you're dumb

Unfortunately i'll be playing Digimon Story Time Stranger this October