Thread 718949502

Resubbed yet /v/?

>>718949502 (OP)
re-subbed 4 days ago only to help out some random with treasure maps

>MMO revenue down by 23%
>bleeding players
>killing mods
>"we will make even less content, but it will be good, I swear!" - Yoshit

>>718950494
You mean 45% loss in operation profits according to SE's latest report

>>718949502 (OP)
didn't you just make this thread?

>>718949875

I'm only playing because of the free login campaign. Another game ruined by casuals. It doesn't make sense to do this as their primary competitor is doing the same thing but giving more content. It's like they're purposely trying to tank their game.

>>718950581
My bad, it was a 23% decrease in sales and -45% overall operational profit.

>>718949502 (OP)
Hourly FFXIV seethe thread

free trial chad here, 2000 hours, expecting shadowbringers soon...for free!

>>718949502 (OP)
Play my fucking game.

>>718949502 (OP)
I did for a month and regretted it.

YoSHITpee

There is absolutely nothing to do besides stand AFK like 80% of people do,

>just wait 8 months for a patch and one new dungeon which is a few hours of content.

>Releasing even less content to add more meme difficulties no one asked for or will do
How about making the jobs fun to play again

Roblox

>>718951285
Watch them make people who play on higher difficulty get more rewards and the casuals who will continue to ruin this game cry about how playing harder content gives more rewards. I knew it was bad when people were complaining about the new dungeon being too hard.

>>718949502 (OP)
The game ended with endwalker and anything else is just DLC

>>718951494
More like people going straight to the hardest difficulty without ever touching the lower tiers and casuals never even unlocking the raid/fight
>Yes I want to the do the same 10 minutes long fight 5 times with slightly more mechanics each time!
Said no one ever

how would (you) save XIV?

>>718952224
Take Y'shtola to a new reflection and leave all the other circle jerkers behind.

>>718949502 (OP)
gonna make twenty more threads that all archive?

>>718949502 (OP)
LMAO this has to be fake. There is no way that at this point in time, the state FFXIV is in right now, hes telling the players there will be even less content in the future. So will the sub cost drop to 5 dollerinos, euroons or whatever then? Will there be a weekly sub model? How can one person be this dumb? SQUEX really has to die already.

>>718953145
sub cost will rise as well, prease understando

>>718953145
The ultimate middle finger to Yoshit would be is if everyone quit XIV and went to XI

>>718952224
The only way to fix XIV at this point is to do a hard reboot like A Realm Reborn. They fucked the story too hard with Dawntrail, it's unrecoverable

>>718952224
It's beyond saving. The entire format has been wonky from the start. Wrap it up and figure out a new product.

>>718953145
https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-14/yoshida-interview-difficulty-monster-hunter-beastmaster

Israel

>>718952224
Give Natsuko Ishikawa full creative control of the next expansion. Banish Hiro to the 13th shard forever

>>718950846
that's brutal.

>>718952224
Sell it and all rights to it to a different publisher. Square-Enix is the biggest fucking ball and chain there is around the game's neck.

>>718949502 (OP)
how much less fucking content can they release? dungeon every other patch? one raid per expac?

>>718952224
Public modbeast executions. Every day, a MARE user is chosen and they're exposed to the entire online playerbase. They get voted to stay or go. If they are voted off, they're hardware banned so if they even want to think to come back they have to build an entirely new PC and that will give them time to reflect on their actions.

>>718953821
Ishikawa is doing FF17 and another JRPG probably.
She only has time to say "You got an idea? Let's hear it. Okay sure let's go with that. I'll write two G'raha dialogues."

>>718952224
Change how each job works, so that people will finally have to learn how to use them and not simply spam colorful buttons in a boring sequence. Add something fun to it, like that debuff Warrior would get whenever you went berserk and that a healer had to remove with Esuna.

Second, improve the MSQ. Let's be honest, it was one of the biggest appeals of the game, because most players are just casuals who only care about dialogues, pretty places, new lore, and new cool glam. Dawntrail basically annihilated any goodwill the team had collected with the release of ShB and EW.

Try to decrease the time between patches. They increased it by using Covid as an excuse and hoped no one would notice it was still longer than usual when the plague ended. To do this, though, they would need more resources and money, which apparently Square has no intention of giving them despite demanding the same player count of ShB's times.

And finally, try to bring back Koji-Fox and Ishikawa back on the project, at least for a little while. They were objectively the glue that kept the game together, thanks to Koji's autism with lore and flowery language that never felt too modern and Ishikawa's talent with characters and melancholy stories. I can't deal with Dawntrail's sickening optimism anymore. Even the tribal quests of the Mamool Ja are devoid of any conflict, while by all logic they should be wary of a literal who scientist from Sharlayan.

>>718952224
burn it down and star again.
This game has too many legacy and ancient system, there is no way of fixing that.

>>718949502 (OP)
I got baited into playing (albeit free time) because people here were baseding over 7.3 saying it fixed the MSQ and is great. It was like a solid 6/10, on an expansion that's a 3/10. Why was the sphene hood thing so fucking dumb (lol we knew all along! duh!!!!!!!!! WOW!) and the scientist being shot in the back was insanely predictable. Infact, the ENTIRE plot of the patch was wildly predictable and not in a good way. It felt like a bad parody of the former high patches of the game. And I also saw faggots here baseding over the new patch music saying they added new BGM music as if other patches have never done that. I heard at least 4 instances of ARR music throughout the patch. There's also still talk to 3 NPCs about how big their shits were type of tasks and tedious walking back and forth.

Glad I played the free weekend because now I'm definitely not picking up 8.0

>>718952224
get a competent writing team, ignore backseat investors that wanna seethe no matter what you do and continue doing what you're doing
occasionally keep introducing some requested qol or features

>>718955432
>I can't deal with Dawntrail's sickening optimism anymore. Even the tribal quests of the Mamool Ja are devoid of any conflict, while by all logic they should be wary of a literal who scientist from Sharlayan.
>"Why should I help a traitor who moved to Tuliyollal?"
>oh finally, looks like we will have to convince the villagers to stand united and accept external help and-
>"nah i'm joking bestie lmao"

>>718956224
7.3 in isolation is a considerably better patch than most in this game's lifecycle

>>718956387
I don't really see how when it was written so dumbly and the villain was completely retarded

>>718956471
why was the villain retarded
inb4
>he summoned da primal against da primalkiller 5000

Llamatodd is winning bigly.

>>718956536
He was genuinely surprised the people he manipulated with the regulators could be talked down from a loud speaker and thus making his primal useless, and also yes it was pretty retarded to summon a primal against primalkiller 5000 as well.

He's supposed to be a fucking genius but feels like a "genius" that was written by a guy with a 90 iq

I have begun playing this piece of shit on like 3 seperate occasions and I always get bored before I reach the limits of the F2P

>>718956710
>He was genuinely surprised the people he manipulated with the regulators could be talked down from a loud speaker and thus making his primal useless
how is that retarded
>and also yes it was pretty retarded to summon a primal against primalkiller 5000 as well.
Lol.

>>718956231
>ignore backseat investors that wanna seethe no matter what you do
lol
lmao even

>>718956703
what'd do do besides make a meme hat. is he actually going TOTAL MINORITIES DEATH HUWHITEMAN WINS BIGFULLY

>>718956937
Getting Kate fired soon

when does the game get bad? I'm just about to start shadowbringers. finished the fight against elidibus/zenos and then passed out I guess

>>718957016
Game gets bad after the base Endwalker content, the patch 6.1 really. But it gets REALLY bad at 7.0 (Dawntrail)

>>718957024
Yes, I'll defend 7.3 because it was a good patch. Now what?

>>718957016
Dawntrail is bad; you got through the bad part of Stormblood

>>718957136
Sorry for your taste :( I bet you loved when Smile played as Sphene was talking and baseded :O

>>718957016
Endwalker patches until 7.2.
So 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 6.5, 6.55, 7.0, 7.1.
6.1 through 6.5 is mostly just kinda meh tier. 7.0 and 7.1 are offensively bad.

>>718949502 (OP)
>DRK still unplayable giga trash besides "BIG BURST DAMAGE" (2% more dps than other tanks) WOAH
>PLD still boring as fuck because old PLD was "too complicated" for players
>still lacking in midcore content, only uber casual shit and poopsock raids content
>PvP dead because new rewards suck
>at least another year and a half until 8.0

lol. WoW isn't doing much better though, Midnight looks like a horrific flop already with basically nothing that players were asking for besides Housing. Looks like its going to just be OSRS for me until 2027.

>>718957204
>Sorry that you enjoyed something. It'd be much better to be miserable over one microsecond of a song that makes me shit my diapers.
I'm not sorry, but I appreciate the sympathy, anon.

>>718957121
>>718957163
>>718957219
well then at least I can enjoy the next MSQ

>>718957413
5.4?
Well, let me be honest. People are homed in on the "downfall" of the MSQ between 6.x and 7.2 because they consider it one unbroken string of bad.
But 5.4 honestly isn't that good either. In fact, I'd say it's pretty bad.

>>718957514
actually i'm retarded. i read elidibus and thought it was something else entirely.
>>718957413
yeah, 5.0 is good, and so is 5.3.
everything between and after that leading up to endwalker is various degrees of okay
and 5.0 is generally good but also has lows and shitty pacing at times so it's not immaculate
if you take it at face value, you'll enjoy it though

>>718949502 (OP)
I'm going back to WoW
>Wow in 2025
Don’t care what you schizos say. How the fuck does Yoshi just straight-up tell us we’re getting less content because he wants to push his difficulty test run?

I have like 8 WoW expansions to catch up, that sets me up for a good while. I don't give a fuck anymore

>>718949502 (OP)
I dont understand why Yoshida still bothers to talk. I thought he step down already. Square is weird company man.

>>718957681
>I have like 8 WoW expansions to catch up
anon, in wow you do your starting island, then you do the previous expansion (or any other previous expansion) and then the current expansion
then you hit cap and do the current expansion's chores (m+, raiding, delves) or become a world quest hero
there isn't really a 8 expansions of content to go through other than solo farming old mogsmountscheevos

>>718952224
>3 dungeons a patch again
>Make jobs unique
>stop bothering altogether with CC and focus on other PVP modes
>every single bit of abandoned content over the years from gold saucer to leves get updates
>hire talented writers and don't keep to the formulaic writing and let them have fun
>anyone that plays lalafell, male rabbit, or male miqo'te get 1 free fantasia, if they don't swap races they're perma banned
>focus more on the midcore/casual content
>make raids be 1 floor but several bosses and trash
>make every single QOL mod available in game
>listen to players
>kernel anti cheat to kill mods for good
>murder all bots and RMT
>make housing open to everyone, instanced personal houses and have neighborhoods tied to sub (you just lose your spot in your neighborhood but your house just goes back as is to private instance)
>more muscle, butt, chest sliders

>>718957861
>other than solo farming old mogsmountscheevos
Guess I'll do that, I don't have the drive to download a million addons just to have a class ready for high end raiding.

>>718957861
nta, post achievement score. If it isn't at least 30k just lmao have you even played the game?

>>718955432
I mentioned in a previous thread that I realized what felt so off. Dawntrail tried to tout so much "we're so heckin diverse" but everything feels like a gathering of globohomo mutts.
And it tried not to be offensive with avoiding any type of "colonialism" but at the same time uses things that were a result of colonizing and settling. Like tacos or the wild west areas.
Tural is twice the size of Eorzea, but has less than half the "diversity". My only critique of Koji is that he would try to be a bit too edgey and throw in references of rape and such when there was none, but the overall background of Eorzea had specific conflicts and history built in mind that still lasted to the current times. While Tural basically had everything resolved and forgotten about or mentioned in throwaway lines.
(I think it's silly when people bring up "where's the le human sacrifice aztecs" and it's funny that the cornservant questline brings it up and it's also "resolved already")

>>718958059
This is exactly why any feedback that contains the midcore buzzword is automatically dismissed.

>>718955432
>I can't deal with Dawntrail's sickening optimism anymore. Even the tribal quests of the Mamool Ja are devoid of any conflict, while by all logic they should be wary of a literal who scientist from Sharlayan.
This really does feel like the key to fixing the story. They tiptoed around all potential sources of conflict and even if something started to flare up it was over pretty much immediately with no lingering tension or potential for future exploration.

>>718958851
>seething lalacuck

The truth is the game was more fun when everything was the same difficulty and jobs were more convoluted (by xiv standards) and trusts didnt exist and the story was part of the package and not the only resson people played.

>>718958059
>>anyone that plays lalafell, male rabbit, or male miqo'te get 1 free fantasia, if they don't swap races they're perma banned
Add hrothgar to that

>>718952224
I love the game, but it can't be saved. Shadowbringers dealt a mortal wound. They dug themselves into a whole and there isn't any way out. We're already going back to Ancients bullshit.

>>718959221
How is the game if you dont care about the story whatsoever? Cause it seems like everyone is just complaining about story.

>>718959337
No point in playing if you don't care about the story

>>718952224
fire whoever's responsible for creating the pure slop that is dawntrail
use the game as a testing ground for SE's junior writers and devs to fuck around with, or whoever the hell else currently wants to work on it

>>718959479
Ok so you're just a storyfag then. Im going to assume the actual game is amazing then.

>>718959056
It is funny seeing how much the game has not learned from the game it copied from and continues to make the same mistakes the original made.

Bait screencap, he's talking about variable difficulty meaning "less content" from lack of hard mode

Retards on /v/ have been crying "less content" since Shadowbringers and it still means "we don't get Hard Mode dungeons as Expert roulette filler like we used to"

>>718958059
>>kernel anti cheat to kill mods for good
This won't do shit in the long run and you know it. People will find a way around it as usual.

>>718959754
On top of it seething about modbeasts and cosmetic mods is such a waste of everybody's fucking time that there's no point in even bringing it up

>>718957016
gets bad after 6.5

>>718959221
It's crazy how many people pretend shb had a good story, they never cared about xiv lore and setting, even sb was pushing it with its bootleg fake japan

Yep. Today i got reaper and Samurai to lvl.100, finished the Samurai manderville relic and the first stage of the Gunbreaker one and did the last of my Shared Fates for Living Memory.

Then i drank some ice tea and ate some hazelnut cookies.

>>718959221
I've never had a problem with Tempering being cured. It was a plot point that didn't amount to much besides Ungust getting killed offscreen.

>>718949502 (OP)
if i resub will i be able to find a crystal tower group in less than 2 hours?

>>718959727
/v/ (or a certain contingent thereof) will just latch onto anything and make 5000 threads about how the game will die for sure this time. no point thinking about it at this point

>>718958059
sorry we no have money to fix game
>anyone that plays lalafell, male rabbit, or male miqo'te get 1 free fantasia, if they don't swap races they're perma banned
that's dumbt, letting these tards play as these races is a great way to let me know to avoid said players

>>718959631
The game IS the story, that's just how they made it, everything is locked behind story progression

>>718960046
Wait, you're having trouble finding a Crystal Tower grp? Are you on some Oceanic datacenter?

>>718959631
you can only ignore a bad story for so long

Are cosmic exploration FATEs now doable alone as a ground unit or does it still require someone to be operating the mech to be able to finish it in time?

>>718952224
add a new repeatable roulette system that prioritizes finding groups for people queuing for MSQ content. it would reward a currency that can be spent on various things, including storefront tokens for the purchase of store items (tokens would cost weekly or monthly currency cap). there would be a higher payout per instance when ran on lower population servers.
it should encourage more people to actually play the game, thus lessening que times for new or returning players, rather than just standing around in Limsa or RPing

>>718960190
the last time i tried to play i did.
i tried queuing on OCE and on NA
i just stopped bothering after my que times exceeded an hour and when to do something else, letting my sub lapse.

>>718959631
If you find a 500 hour long vn where you spam the skip cutscene button engaging then by all means.

It's so weird that they're doing this right now. WoW is about to come out with their xpac with housing and yes housing is a major feature. A lot of motherfuckers in xiv literally stayed subbed for their house. While also coming out with arguably more content than xiv right now.

>>718961417
wow exited it's 8.0-10.0 clown period and is now just normal bad

Just make another Eureka and made it all horizontal progression like XI (and OG Eureka) so people can grind for months and shoot the shit in /shout socially

I missed the forced socialization of 1.0/2.0 and Eureka before gay ass Party/Raid Finders
Made for funny shit and you had to 'create' your own fun

Now like one of the above posters said, why play when 80% of the population is just idling somewhere?

Nah I'm done with XIV forever

>>718958059
>Make jobs unique
This alone would make many resub. They raped BLM and need to nerf Picto.

>>718952224
>Hire more programmers to fix longstanding issues (lower GCD in time for 8.0 job changes, latency, remove the need for NoClippy, improve housing limitations, etc.)
>Add a collectible catalog for gear and remove the existing glamour dresser/armoire
>Backport the features of the new Deep Dungeon to the previous DDs so they can all be completed with matched parties
>Hire enough devs to get the patch time back down to 3 months and try to reduce the expansion cycle to 18 months

>>718962829
Can you elaborate on 8.0 job changes? They're going to be literal nothingburgers, your rotation is going to change (like it always does after an expansion release) and that will be, it's fucking nothing.

>>718952224
Turn it into ESO's sub model.

>>718952224
More sexy midlanders.

>>718952224
Fireside Chats with Yoshida where he scrolls random ragebait threads on the OF and Twitter and laughs. Basically more wine and cookies streams

>>718959631
Anon... 14 is just an online JRPG. If you don't care about the story, what the fuck are you doing playing a JRPG?

>>718952224
Cancel the dalamud creators as well. And then all is right in the world.

>>718959953
I'm more annoyed at everyone beng given magical flying pigs to cure tempering EXCEPT our characters. If everyone forgets their scales in another set of pants, or new people are around for a primal fight, there's going to be mishaps and the WoL should have a pig minion for fun/saving the day.

>>718960436
When I did the toxic spongoi one 10 contribution as a ground unit was 10% which doesn't take much time desu. Could probably easily solo but it'll take a few minutes.

>>718962472
tanks are fucking atrocious now. There is ZERO REASON to play Dark Knight in any content right now, unless you are going for speed runs I guess? Its fucking dogshit compared to what it once was. Paladin got reworked to be another generic 1 minute rotation class because apparently it was too hard for casuals?

>>718963971
I will never understand how cosmetic mods get under the skin of random /v/ posters

>>718961417
GW2 has had a better housing system for months, ESO for years, Wildstar shut down with a better housing system than many MMOs, truth is housing isn't enough to keep anyone playing long term. They could fix every issue people have with XIV's housing system and it probably wouldn't even bring the player count up 4k.

>>718964324
hello Mare user
we do not like you :)

>>718959905
>They haven't added good, FF-esque oversized wizard hats since HW

A crime against the story is one thing. A crime against fashion in an FF game is unforgiveable.

>>718964567
Mare doesn't exist anymore, quit shadowboxing
Also quit obsessing over cosmetic mods

>>718964628
hello Dalamud user
we do not like you :)

>>718964612
We still get those they're just Black Mage hats

>>718949502 (OP)
Is SE even capable of high quality content anymore?

Endwalker "Content"
>Ishguard Housing
Failed. Released Broken, took a month to fix, filled in two weeks.
>Island Sanctuary
Failed. Community was hyped through the roof for it, turned dead silence when it came out to be a barebones spreadsheet simulator with right-click gameplay and zero customization. The easiest slam dunk of content squandered to nothing.
>Sil'dihn Subterrane / Another Sil'dihn Subterrane / Savage
Failed. Hardcore players soloed through it in a day then never went back, Variant Dungeons are piss easy but their rewards are worth a lot of gil anyway.
Criterion did worse, horrible rewards, the fucking savage gives a god damn earring and nothing else. Shit died on Release
>Eureka Orthos
Failed. Mobs were so tanky that it became less exp per minute than just going back to Bozja. Beyond that its the same old stale DD formula.
>Mount Rokkon / Another Mount Rokkon / Savage
Despite the feedback from Sil'dihn, they literally released this content to die. Same problems as before except it died in PF even faster, even worse rewards somehow
>Alo Alo Island / Another Alo Alo Island / Savage
Failed.Over a year later and they finally just started to address the feedback, for Criteiron only, by adding vfx to tome weapons from the savage tier, that required you to do the savage tier as well to get these weapons. (They're now rarer than utlti weapons)

I guess at least the PVP rework was ok.

>>718952224
allow players to be barefoot

>>718952224
>30 days free playtime for every expansion
>100% available, instanced player housing that has 0% chance of being deleted no matter how long you're away.
>The ability to purchase retainers no matter what sub level.
>The ability to revert to free account; if that means no access to housing fine, or if that means losing access to all raids above the current free trial, fine. But keep that shit frozen and able to retrieve.
>the ability to chat in the phone app, subbed or not. and-
>The ability to access Lodestone without restriction because it's fucking stupid that you'd lose social connections when taking a break.

>>718952224
They were doing great until they abandoned the 3 month patch cycle. Everything feels like it lasts forever and why do we have to wait until a fucking x.x.8 patch to farm savage, just fucking uncap it after the patch along with tomes so I can gear another job

>>718965402
They never were. The story literally carried everything. And the reward structure? Lmao after the player drop off from Eureka Anemos into Pagos after Yoshi made the claim that people were playing for the content and not the rewards you should have realized the dude has no idea what he's doing.

>>718950734
You gonna put a tripcode on?

>>718965650
The barefoot/sandals thing actually does have a utilitarian purpose, it's so character height isn't too noticeably different between worn shoes, boots, greaves, etc.

>>718965891
the patch cycle is even longer than they say as well
>advertise x feature as in the patch
>its actually in x.25 versions of the patch a month later
is this anything more than blatantly padding sub time?

>>718965897
Im ok playing for that reason but in an MMO where character progression is the entire point it feels like a waste of the genre.

>>718965970
Which is lame and gay, wearing heels should make my femlet taller

>>718966259
>lalafell wearing fuck-me heels
Stop it anon I'm supposed to be working.

>>718958059
bro basically just wants to make xiv be wow, giga based.

>>718966704
>3 dungeons a patch
>wow
wow gets 1 dungeon per 2 patches on average

>>718965970
And one plugin manages to fix this without something like that just by having an offset height value assigned per footwear

>>718966894
Well yeah obviously there's loads of technical debt or long-term decisions that ended up being annoying, the game is still derivative of a very rushed PS3 console MMO at the end of the day

Is /xivg/ ever going to be usable as a game discussion thread or is it going to keep being a shit hole ERP chat room forever? Will Mare's removal finally clean some of that shit up or are the janitors ever going to clean up that cesspool?

>>718967845
>Is /xivg/ ever going to be usable as a game discussion thread
no. the thread has been like that since the game fucking launched man. and they can still share their own creations through screenshots there.

>>718953373
How about stop giving squex any money in general?

>>718967845
/vg/ is legitimately awful for any kind of discussion

>>718956387
not a high bar

>>718957016
Just quit after endwalker addon msq, dont even bother with patch msq. Or quit now and watch it on Youtube. Game is not worth your time and money in the state its currently in.

>>718968246
XI is the best MMO of all time, SE deserves sub money for XI, if nothing else.

>>718964223
>If everyone forgets their scales in another set of pants
made me chuckle

>>718967845
everyone on /vg/ literally has sub 90 IQ
just to indulge myself I followed a fighting game general and they had 5 threads in 24 hours, sustained
do you think quality discussion happens when the board moves that fast on /vg/?

>>718949502 (OP)
The 4 day login let me do every patch MSQ and raids attached to it.

Why would I resub when I can do it for free?

>>718949502 (OP)
Didn't this game literally remove summoner as a class and made it a mere cutscene magic spell? Never looked back on it after reading that, I play MMOs to have a pet fighting for me.

>>718970672
Summoner was a shitty WoW Warlock reskin which is at odds with its typical portrayal in FF, which is yes "cutscene magic"
Newest iteration was half-baked but older iteration had basically nothing to do with the job or its traditional identity

>>718964292
I think it got buffed for ground only in 7.3, because it's pretty much dead content nowadays. And there's a CE reward (stellar success) tied to doing 50 of those.

>>718953145
dude is sabotaging everything right now, first says that they don't have enough resources/money and now this and now focusing on modbeasts...

I think he wants to close the FFXIV chapter and doesn't want his name associated with it, but quitting is just not in his blood so he wants SE to give him the parachute to jump and run

>>718949502 (OP)
Why do so few people actually wear 'armor' in this game? I've given FFXIV a shot a few times but what really throws me off is the amount of people that just use like streetwear. In WoW most people use some type of beefy armor transmog set. People are so fucking boring with fashion in XIV.

>>718972840
WoW doesn't even really have streetwear

>>718972840
Just limsa and uldah things

>>718972889
and that's a good thing

>>718973092
eh

>>718965891
When did they have a 3 month patch cycle last?

>>718957136
>Yes, I'll defend 7.3 because it was a good patch
Jesus Christ, get some taste for the love of god.

>>718973987
How about you stop being a little whiny bitch in threads dedicated to a game you dislike?

>>718949502 (OP)
Can't
Haven't unsubbed since HW

>>718972840
the armor in this game looks wack

>>718974063
Mind status: broken

>>718974119
All I said was to get some taste and it mind broke you, that's sad.

>>718973932
around shadowbringers iirc

>>718974182
>no u
Grim.

>>718965891
>>718973932
>When did they have a 3 month patch cycle last?
Basically never.
A couple of the ARR patches were close to 3 months, but until Endwalker it was roughly a 3.6 month cycle for most updates.
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Patches

>>718974273
Sorry you like to eat shit Anon, truly.

>>718974332
I'm sorry you're German, anon.

>>718974378
>no u
Grim.

>>718974291
>>718974186
A 3 month cycle would be amazing for the game but SE has way too shitty management for that

>>718974567
A 3 month cycle would probably be pretty damn bad for productivity, crunch errywhere.

What are the modders doing now?

>>718974637
The same as ever.
What got shut down wasn't the modding itself, it was the thing that shared mods between gooners.

>>718956808
NTA but as a viewer at a certain point you can't just keep throwing primals at the WoL.
After EW, frankly, I don't think FFXIV can ever pull another Primal and expect the player to feel threatened for any reason. I know, narratively, the justification for why this is supposed to be threatening to me, but I don't feel it because I've rolled vastly stronger enemies on a regular basis.
>he's immortal!!!!
So like every Primal?
>he resurrects!!!
So like every Primal?
The only difference here is the rate of revival. You cannot expect viewers to take these threats seriously when at the end of EW the WoL has not only killed primals, but also the concept of entropy, Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and every single one of the gods. They need a new approach. The problem is that SHB>EW has massively ramped up the powerscale to absurd degrees and now it's hard to take the game as seriously when it comes to villains, due to the comedic level of conflicts achieved previously. Its a classic shonen issue.

>>718974637
shifting over to loporrit, modding client-side only, waiting for a mare successor that isn't loporrit to appear

>>718974637
Making their own fork or trying to join the pedo one

>>718974702
Ok so what are gooners doing now?

>>718974740
Wait wasn't that the one with Lalafell mods? I thought Mare users said loporrit was disgusting?

>>718974628
Depends on the people allocated but assigning employees is like Square Enix's main flaw as a company so yeah it'd be a disaster

>>718974739
>NTA but as a viewer at a certain point you can't just keep throwing primals at the WoL.
nah primals make continued sense to throw at WoL
they're arcane beings you can do literally anything with if you have enough aether and calyx used the ancient "concept" thing to make sure the primal was exactly what he wanted it to be with no deviations
you're getting mad you're the hero of the story and you know you'll win

>>718974739
>I've rolled vastly stronger enemies on a regular basis.
By that logic, nothing past Endsinger should be worth consideration.
Not anything in Pandaemonium, not Golbez, not Zeromus, not Valigarmanda, certainly not Zoraal Ja, not Queen Eternal.
>So like every Primal?
>So like every Primal?
Certainly not. Not in the same instance, at least.
>The only difference here is the rate of revival. You cannot expect viewers to take these threats seriously when at the end of EW the WoL has not only killed primals, but also the concept of entropy,
I can due to attrition.
Hydaelyn and Zodiark were majorly weakened primals and went down once you 'killed them'. Endsinger wasn't a primal but a congregation of dynamis, and you defeated her in a domain of dynamis with your own dynamis and the Scions'.
Nothing about the story indicates that you could go on for weeks fighting the same primal over and over again.

>>718974804
mare users are not one homogeneous mass and apparently a large number of them don't give a fuck so long as they have access to a mod sharing service
you'll probably find more mare users that think the takedown was deserved (it didn't need that anal retentive level of user identification and third-party administration) than not, and this is assuming that you'll find randos who even give a fuck about the software itself beyond the actual service of it

>>718949502 (OP)
I legit have no clue how people can still play MMOs today but there are millions of fucking roblox players to confuse me too so yall are fuckin weird

>>718975015
That's fine. I can't fathom how people can play Farmville, Candy Crush, RTS games, FPS games and turn-based games.

>>718975015
Ffxiv is just jrpg world of warcraft it's a pretty solid game formula

>>718975015
i only keep ffxiv around for coom mods and erp

SE has been hemorrhaging money so it's no surprise.

>>718956710
>He's supposed to be a fucking genius but feels like a "genius" that was written by a guy with a 90 iq
this is how Japanese people are, unfortunately

>>718956710
*talked down from a loud speaker by the voice of the queen they're intensely devoted to

>>718949502 (OP)
>the overall amount of content that we implement in the game goes down
yoship would never fucking say something like that at a time like this what a gay fucking article

>>718974637
There are already a few forks of Mare making their rounds.

>>718975554
The translation of the whole article is pretty stilted but it's in reference to the sliding difficulty scale of the upcoming Deep Dungeon and how that approach to difficulty might apply to future content. Basically "content will go down" in the form of not needing a separation between normal and hard difficulties.

>>718975617
good job you made it make more sense than that stupid journo

>>718974942
>By that logic, nothing past Endsinger should be worth consideration.
Yes. This is the exact problem most longrunning high fantasy/shonen/xianxia/superhero stories run into. At a certain powerlevel, it becomes a struggle for viewers to take your narrative seriously because the setting isn't capable of dealing with the powertier that the writers have given to it.
You can only escalate so far before the disbelief can no longer be suspended, which is why usually these genres preseed ways to power DOWN the protagonist for a following arc.
>xianxia realm ascension
>high fantasy/shonen has alternatives to the mainstream power system/'i'll only use my sword'/conceptual bullshit
>i dont read comics but most superheroes have some level of regeneration/invulnerability so you can just have them get beat the fuck up when you wanna lower the scale a bit
XIV needs to reset its powerscale for more people to take them seriously, it's gone completely off the rails since Shadowbringers. Killing Ascians is fine, we've done it before, but we've leapfrogged to galactic heroes. Most players aren't going to be taking threats lower than planetary seriously anymore, because that's the new baseline.

>>718959631
>Ok so you're just a storyfag then. Im going to assume the actual game is amazing then.
As someone that was a gameplay fag, you're not going to like it either. Dungeons are braindead hallway simulators with the hardest mechanics generally being "dont stand here", with the occasional tank only mechanic of needing to re-enrage the boss and point it away from the party, or deselect the boss, select a shield and then buttonmash to stop a wipe. A lot of fights have an internal enrage timer, where if you don't have enough damage, you can't just outskill the fight, you just instantly wipe when you hit the timer.

The worst thing is that very few classes can outplay the other classes, and so you have to constantly hope that the team you're playing with isn't somehow less braindead than the content you're playing in order to clear. Also, again, even if your team is the unicorn expert team of 100IQ players, if one person dies, you're basically going to hit the enrage timer every time, or, it's early into the patch cycle and your gear isn't perfect yet, and so you'll hit the enrage timer on the boss with only like 1-2% hp left.

>>718975745
sounds like literally every tab-target MMO ever

>>718975829
because it is

>>718952224
FFXIV classic server.

>>718975983
this probably actually would be a "you think you want it but you don't" thing

>>718975983
It would only teach us two things.
>The game was never good
>The game got worse in Shadowbringers


You'd basically have to keep re-releasing classic servers over and over again once you hit shadowbringers.

>>718975983
Would achieve nothing.
>you get to run all the content you've done dozens and dozens of times already in the live game
>"Yeah, but with the old job design!"
It would be a novelty for like 2 weeks.

>>718976118
People said the same thing for wow classic.
If they use the same sub it would be a good distraction between patches.

>>718958059
>focus more on the midcore
They're already focusing enough on Savage raids why would it need more focus?

>>718976184
WoW classic was completely different because the game was entirely different.
Even the world itself was different due to the Cataclysm remaking the world map.

>>718974739
This. Primals are overplayed at this point. It's boring and overused. It's like watching an anime, and you know certain characters won't die. So if something suspenseful develops you know it's bullshit. They need to kill off a scion. They need to do something that will make people go "Oh shit it's about to get real!"

The problem with mmos is that its all horizontal expansion and never vertical.

>>718976274
Obviously we need 1.0 servers.

>>718952224
What's wrong with it? People loved the flight expansion.

>>718976421
That would actually be radically different enough for it be more than just a quick novelty.

>>718974739
You are retarded. Even for an animeposter you are really fucking retarded. Please stop typing and spare the world the pain of being made aware creatures like you exist.

>>718976330
It's mostly vertical. You'd know if you had played it.

>>718976330
>The problem with mmos is that its all horizontal expansion and never vertical.

>>718953821
Ishikawa is the reason lore went to shit in shb and ew

>>718976330
XIV vertical progression requires paying $60 and waiting 2 years

>>718955072
She's still on the XIV team. This cope has been a thing since 6.X and her position has not changed from basic advisor to new writers. Maehiro was out after he was done with HW.

>>718976118
imo the only real mileage to get out of FFXIV Classic would be some kind of side content for the normal retail game where you can freely select which iteration of a job you want to play as while inside of it, like being able to pick from HW, SB, ShB, EW, DT or 8.0's job design for dark knight, TP only being a consideration if you go back to SB or farther when jobs actually had that, and in the background the devs are taking notes on which job versions are most popular after a year or so of the content being available

because as it stands FFXIV Classic is totally and completely pointless outside of job designs. elemental resistance and main stat materias, belts, TP, and specific job actions like astrologian cards are the only shit people miss from older versions of the game, and all content is the same or virtually the same as it was when it was added 6+ years ago

>>718976738
Why did they hire Saturday morning shonen cartoon writer for Dawntrail then?

>>718976607
ishikawa isn't the one that completely fucked the lore regarding souls and the cycle of life in the setting. The shit with regulators is probably the worst part of DT.

>>718957016
Trick answer; the game has been bad for 5 or so years, but it has taken a while for it to really seep in. The story is not worth giving SE money for alone.

>>718976808
because they hired maehiro and he did the same shit for most of ARR

>>718976850
>completely fucked the lore
>part of the game unique to another shard that they tell you over and over is an exception where things also aren't working right because they tampered with it

You guys realize that when you get promoted to management, you (typically) stop doing the grunt work and assign/oversee/sign-off on work? In nip culture, no one is going to get absolutely dunked on for writing some mid shit, they're just going to do that "ohhh I see I see" *bows* 50 times

>>718976808
Because they wanted new talent so they weren't always relying on the same people. You have to understand SE is peak retard, they do not think logically and only succeed in spite of themselves.

>>718976975
don't ever let anybody new write anything. only if we model ourselves after westerner blizzard company can we achieve true success

>>718952224
>Wuk Lamat coincidentally disappears or fucks off to do somehting else every time G'Raha's time to be alone with WoL pops up
>She also never ever butts in when G'Raha is speaking
HMMMMmmmmmmmmmm

The solution to save Dawntrail is to give G'Raha more dialogue
The rest will fix itself on its own

>>718950494
he's actively trying to destroy the game, there's no other explanation, real question is why?

>>718976975
>>718977054
Hiroi is neither new nor talented

>>718975983
It's quite unironically "you think you do but you don't" since few weeks ago I was talking to some shadowbab and he was talking about how cool old machinist was with the heat mechanic or how fun raiding must have been when PLD was the magic only tank
t. played 1.0 and 2.0

>>718976184
Other than diadem literally everything else is nearly exactly the same
And old diadem was a complete piece of unfiltered shit

>>718952224
ARR Classic, and I am NOT joking.

>>718977440
much as i conceptually like paladin flipping between physical phase and magic phase i do not miss having to buff each phase separately with its own bespoke buffs and shit is not really different in modern practice with only the one phase and no DoT

>>718952224
Make the mobile client replace the current one.

>>718977437
New to the main MSQ, Ishikawa wasn't new either when she took the wheel. Only Oda is a vet and because everyone had a little fit that Lyse was written realistic as someone who wants to make a difference but has been detached from her homeland conflict, he won't ever do anything important again.

>>718977440
Anyone who unironically wants a classic FFXIV probably never played in 2.0, like TP, switching classes put you into one 1 ho/mp, being forced to level up jobs you didn’t want for core skills in provoke and pld not getting a fucking tank stance until your class is fucking wild also fuck hated flash

>>718977636
Do the mobile engine make combat not feel like shit? If so I support this move.

>>718949502 (OP)
Dawntrail existing is enough to not get me to resub out of spite.

>>718977697
You’re retarded if you think a mobile mmo combat would be good, only thing the mobile version has over the OG version is is all the unlocked dye channels and glamour system

>>718977697
it's still ARR at the end of the day

>>718977415
He just does whatever Kate tells him to do.

>>718977650
Lyse was miles above Mexican Naruto or whatever Wuk Lmao was supposed to be

>>718977670
>TP, switching classes put you into one 1 ho/mp, being forced to level up jobs you didn’t want for core skills in provoke and pld not getting a fucking tank stance until your class is fucking wild also fuck hated flash
All those are based and fun

>>718977650
iirc oda REALLY didn't want to take up a main writing role anyways and he was happy to step out of the MSQ, he's better suited to being their autistic lore goblin in the basement

>>718977854
Wrong opinion

>>718977838
I see Kate's name an awful lot for somebody that doesn't actually have any say over the game without getting permission from 2+ people.

Only thing left is the mount

>>718977820
You're retarded if you think any modern engine isn't better than the 2013 PS3 shit we have now. And the implication from this guy >>718977636 is replacing the current one, not making everyone play on a mobile.

>>718977974
>he doesn't have max gil already from solo FC subs to buy any reward day 1
Bro

>>718978051
If it were really that easy, everything on the MB would be 99,999,999 gil.

>>718978051
>solo fc
That doesn’t sounds very fun or social

>>718977415
because there's a new final fantasy mmo in development

>>718978179
Yoshida isn't retarded and willing to jump straight into the exact same problem he dragged FFXIV 1.0 out of, so I doubt that's the case

>>718978179
>thinking we are getting a mmos this soon
lol we have at least two or three more expansions anon

>more fucking excuses and copes
Just EoS already

>>718952224
Change
>reboot the game again and get rid of the atrocious WoW tier designed gameplay and go with something like Dragon Quest X where it's turn based or hell even FFXI with it's gameplay systems.
>Bring all of the jobs from XIV 2.0 and it's expansions into 3.0 and make them full jobs no limited bullshit
Remove
>Shut down the mobile game and move all features from it to XIV 3.0 minus the bad ones
Add
>Anti Cheat that will automatically ban users if their game client is modified/detected but can be avoided if you pay a fee also to spite modbeasts
>New jobs such as Mystic Knight and OG Sage

Even the story this patch was pretty mid. I mean, Caylx makes so many mistakes and illogical things even though he is suppose to be "logical" and becomes a Scooby Doo villain at the end. Also I'm sadden we didn't get Sphene to be part of our team and it is going to be fucking Ascians again. What were the writers thinking?

Just came back to the game? Do people still do learning parties for Savage, the new EX, and Occult Crescent?

>>718978560
Hack writers are trying to recreate Elidibus with Calyx. Can't wait for the forced emotional gutpunch as we go through Amaurot 4.0 as the last dungeon of 8.0 with Calyx narrating everything and his little sob story of why he had to go to drastic measures.

>>718978631
nope, you will watch Hector and like it

>>718966894
yea, and everything goes to shit the momment you sit in a chair, your ass is floating in the air

>>718978631
lol

>>718978663
It's pretty clear that Calyx is afraid to die. I don't know why the writers are trying to make it subtle when it is so obvious?

>>718978560
>What were the writers thinking?
- Sphene has no reason to tag with the Scions or even really leave Alexandria, especially not after the citizenry still wanting a queen will accept her for who she is, Endless or not
- Several red masked Ascians were left alive, the unsundered three weren't the only ones that matter, and Fandaniel enacting his own plans in Shadowbringers and Endwalker left plenty of wiggle room for the remaining sundered Ascians to enact their own plans
- Calyx had no means of directly killing you which left outsmarting you as the only realistic option for him, and his plan not being completely foolproof doesn't mean he was written badly
- Additionally, Calyx completely drips in references to Kuja from FFIX, who is a similar brand of character vis-a-vis being a cool and refined schemer who completely crumbles under pressure and panics when his plan isn't as flawless as he thought

>>718978783
Calyx lead the gang to where his memory data was and didn't just transfer his data to another place earlier was dumb.

>>718979071
He didn't actually think they were going to be capable of beating Necron, on top of that the memory transference seems to imply some physical moving of himself as an Endless also

>>718977415
Maybe its the only way he can be rid of it so he can focus on other things. Maybe bro just wants to be free.

>>718964223
It's not like we can't just knock the person out and bring them to our pig-wielding friends, and all it would lead to is us running around curing tempered people kneeling on the ground with a length cast animation in another time wasting sidequest.

>>718949502 (OP)
Married Yugiri yet?

>>718978226
yoshi? maybe not
Square enix though?

>>718979265
>Square enix though?
Yoshida is in the "Executive Management Committee" along with several other ex-members of the Board of Directors and describes the change as being a lateral move and not a demotion
He is in the best possible position in the entire company to say that's stupid and he won't do it

>whole treasure map system needs revamped or dropped (holy fuck even Casino's are kinder, no wonder everyone waits for moogle treasure maps guaranteed dungeons)
>A Rank system needs revamped, make them into boss fates and slap a 4 hour timer on players when they kill it so retards can do it on their own time or during hunt trains still
>stop making house shit entirely, those niggers have 1 billion things as is and nobody owns the damn things in the first place
>stop making deep dungeons entirely, only caped baldy was excited about that shit and whatever "ultimate" styled 4man non-sense attached
>focus efforts into Adventure Forays, it took 1 full year for DT to get one and it's bozja 0.4 with fuck awful eureka shit attached
Do you know why Bozja worked well? Because you could level up in it, gear was absolutely standardized so you couldn't fuck with how things worked outside of Haste, it let you do an endgame activity that was both MMO content in a game with no MMO content.

If they had a Bozja with Eureka styled patch releases (and no more retarded worse than BA entrances like FT) everybody would be glazing it. Being able to level up in Bozja alone made it less "side content" and more part of main content.

>>718965402
>I guess at least the PVP rework was ok
It was until the 7.3 purify changes
Sounded good conceptually and we were due for a meta shakeup, but holy shit pvp is fucking miserable to play now

>>718979071
he's an arrogant cocky autist, why wouldn't he think his master plan isn't going to be ruined? he just wanted to rub it in the Sphene's face that nothing can be done and her merry band of retards would die

>>718980006
>but holy shit pvp is fucking miserable to play now
Are we talking about CC or Frontline?

I don't really care about CC

whos the best girl that isnt in the story anymore

>>718980483
ysayle

>>718977415
Wants to get out of MMO jail and move on to better things.
Easier to do when FF14's been completely stripped for parts and dumbed down to the point that a skeleton crew can keep shitting out updates on a bi-yearly basis.

>>718949502 (OP)
so shall we argue about what yoshi-p means by content here for the next few weeks then?

>>718980542
do you think she fucks the wheelchair guy

>>718951902
>Yes I want to the do the same 10 minutes long fight 5 times with slightly more mechanics each time!
That's literally what hardcore raiders do though

>>718980730
she should be thankful to still be breathing if anything

>>718981023
You could be fucking Fordola and she would be feeling herself getting it while her echo is firing off and feeling what you feel while doing it. It would be mind blowing

>>718981153
take it easy man

>>718980985
Not really, most people only do normal once

>>718981284
Later on, your echo would randomly fire off while she's thinking about it and then you'd just orgasm right then and there without even doing anything.

>>718978179
>source: i feel it

I had fun, but I won't resub until I get confirmation that everything woke has been removed and we are back to the good old days.

How has the post-7.0 content been? I never finished 7.0 and let my sub lapse.

>>718950494
>>718977415
either wants SE to stop self-sabotaging XIV or literally wants to make a actual new FFMMO. I wish the game would truly die.

>>718949502 (OP)
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/08fa17b8ea82e75bcfb6e70a825a639fe3dddef5
In-game content? Who needs that. But do you know what we do have?
OH YEAH BABY, MERCH!
PRE-ORDER NOW! YOU FUCKING GAIJIN PIG

>>718981768

the PvE combat content is okay, but everything else is pure trash with no sign of changing

>>718981912
>sugar riot shotglass

maybe

>>718981768
Both tiers of Arcadion have been legitimately fantastic so far
EX1/2/3 were all pretty fun, but I can't imagine going back to them for Unreal though.
EX4 and EX5 were dogshit memberberries. Fights have zero identity of their own, it completely hinges on whether you remember things from FF9. EX5 is completely braindead mechanics-wise.
Dungeons are eh, but that goes for pretty much everything. They've been trying to add more niche/unique mechanics to differentiate them from the monotonous slurry of "2x pull, 2x pull, boss, repeat" but FF14's dungeons in general are just boring and formulaic as shit.
Having done the FF11 Alliance raids
nu-Eureka, much like the original iteration, was fun when everyone was blind for the first week and promptly cratered into the fucking ground once everyone realized it's just tedium.

>>718981912

i like how all the characters are flat just like their roles in the story since EW

>>718949502 (OP)
So, the general direction of XIV is to just push out raider slop and let the casual playerbase just dwindle away?

He really wants to stop working on this, huh?

>>718982073
>$45 pre-shipping
yeah no

My free login ends tomorrow, and I already did everything since being unsubbed since 7.0. DT is so ass.
>>718982219
define casual content

>>718982219
>So, the general direction of XIV is to just push out raider slop and let the casual playerbase just dwindle away?
So it seems. So it seems...

>>718982219
No, it's the opposite. They're going to add the Quantum shit scaling to every piece of content so retarded casuals get off their asses and do the baby mode of everything now.
No hands Limsa AFKers are the ones benefiting from it while the raiders are the ones getting less shit to do.

>>718981768
the boss mechanics are pretty good but the state of class homogeneity is like, pretty bad. i think its the worst its ever been. everything else is from unremarkable to bad

>>718982434
>quantum

why exactly do i need to farm items to do this shit?

>but you can buy them from others

no. why do i need to do anything more other than queue for it

>>718982434
More like
>no hands limsa afkers
>will complain that the easiest shit doesn't give enough
>they want the same rewards as the hardest content

>>718982434
Wrong.
DD was content for a niche audience, and now they go out of their way to make the last boss, something that should not matter for DD into something that is relevant to content creators so they can get their ultimate fix. Now we get overall less content because for every bit we need them to scale it up to ultimate levels.

Or do you actually expect we get a casual version of the next ultimate? The whole Forked Tower debacle showed us that the raider demographic is more important to them than the casual player.

>>718982434
i genuinely don't know a single raider that complains about the amount of content they get. like it just seems like a massive fucking psyop because by the time people are done with savage they don't even want to play anymore until the next tier, same with ultimate prog, i feel like more savage tier content would make people kill themself.

>>718958059
>lalafell, male rabbit, or male miqo'te
Of course you leave out maleras you edgelord fucks

>>718982598
>Now we get overall less content because for every bit we need them to scale it up to ultimate levels.
I would assume this means "hard and normal won't be separate" and not literally "we get less overall" because of how weird the English is in that article.

>>718949502 (OP)
no I just un subbed since mare died. been subbed and playing daily since early hw. not sure what to do with all my free time now

>>718982598
>Or do you actually expect we get a casual version of the next ultimate?
I mean, that would legit be the expectation people can and should have. If they start scaling casual content up, they need to scale raid content down.

>>718982219
Adding more difficulties is casual pandering though, or at least thats what they think, casuals hate playing the game

>>718982907
shut up retarded gooner

>>718982479
>gives gil an actual use outside of housing
>encourages people to farm for gil
easy

>>718949502 (OP)
This quote has to be fake, out of context or a miss translation, right?

>>718982907
Play genshin

>>718949502 (OP)
>there will be EVEN LESS content and it will come out EVEN SLOWER
>please look forward to it
marketing genius. he really is trying to kill this game off

>>718983164
mistranslation most likely
text immediately above it is talking about having a difficulty slider for some content
probably means no savage for some stuff later because it won't be necessary

>>718983302
Yeah it's probably about less difficulty options in general than actual less content.

>>718952224
Unlikely, but the best thing to do is to move on to making a new online game, a fresh start, not based on their PS3 base code because they keep using that as an excuse for slow or no changes players keep asking them about. Valid reasons or not, the legacy PS3 coding seems like one of the MANY things holding them back and changing writers or content seems like a waste of time if there's still going to be issues anyway because of it.

>>718983302
>need to spend dev time adding and tweaking difficulty sliders for every content now
>individual pieces of content take longer to make
>less overall content comes out
not that hard to understand
muh mistranslation is cope

>>718983764
If we want to get snippy about possible wording the article also says it's just something they're looking at and not a hard guarantee

>>718978226
The woes of FFXVI and biggest complains of the game (Braindead gameplay, lack of meaningful elemental reactions, boring gears, collect 3 boar skin quests) can all be traced back to FFXIV. The truth is that FFXIV 2.0 has never been a particularly deep game with endless gameplay, it's the writing that has been carrying the game from Heavensward onwards. And ever since the writing stopped being game the limitations of the game has been exposed. Good writing in video games is very hard to achieve and people are willing to settle for not so good writing if the gameplay is good enough. Which FFXIV doesn't have.

Having to replace a FFXIV with a more robust gameplay is always something that is inevitable. As people in /v/ has mentioned, the hyped moments you used to get in FFXIV can now be found easily in Wuthering Waves, which also has way better gameplay. How can CBUIII hope to compete without making a new game?

>>718952224
Give it to a team that doesn't want to make it into an action game.

>>718983925
suddenly getting confused which game the thread is even about and the gacha shilling cherry on top

>>718983925
>Gacha
I don't want to play gacha.

>>718982479
So truuuuuuuuuuu I thought Yoshida really understood us but now it's like he wants us to play the game?? This isn't why we play Final Fantasy XIV. We the XIV community subscribe to XIV so we can play other games. How can I play other games if I have to play XIV? It doesn't make any sense! Maybe Yoshida is just out of touch...

>>718983856
I wonder how many copes you'll come up with before the thread is finished.

>>718949502 (OP)
>having the mmo team working on other games

for what fucking purpose

Sphene!

>>718978437
>something like Dragon Quest X where it's turn based or hell even FFXI with it's gameplay systems.
Those two are almost the same outside DQX's weight system and FFXI's macro gearswaps and Haste/Flurry hijinks

>>718984331
>reading an article instead of just guessing about it based on a cherrypicked paragraph is cope
There's times I hope everyone on /v/ including myself dies horribly and suddenly and this is one of them

>>718984763
Hi

>>718984784
LOL! That's so like sardonic dude, you seem like such an intelligent and witty guy who's just like sooo sick of it all lol

>>718983164
No anon it's just simple maths, if they want to add more difficulties to content so everyone can find their sweet spot but still have the same release schedule they have to sacrifice something.

>>718949502 (OP)
No I started playing a wow pserver. Kind of crazy the various systems of MMO design that have just been abandoned or streamlined over the years.
>threat management
>mob positioning (barely exists in XIV)
>kill orders
>CC
>mana management (barely exists in XIV)

Anyone else just feel lost now?

I logged in and without mare I just feel like, uneasy and aimless. Shit sucks man. Feels like I lost all motivation to play seeing just how fast all my stuff can be taken away.

wow mare cope?
cope?
mare cope cope? wow?
wow wow mare?

Shadowbringers should have never cured Tempering
Endwalker should have let bodyswapped Zenos kill or at least maim a Scion
Endwalker should have never made Tempering an artificial Ascian construct
Endwalker should have killed off the Scions at the end

You cope and sneed but you know I'm right.

>>718985336
True except for the last one.

>>718950494
Ffxi has more content than 14 will ever hope for, and I’m taking about “current” 11 endgame.

>>718984720
It doesn't matter to me
Wow's copy and pasted gameplay has got to go

>>718985509
FFXI is an actual game.

>>718952224
>how would (you) save XIV?
Make Sugar Riot WoL's canonical wife

>>718985525
have you considered the idea that you don't like FFXIV and that's fine

>>718949502 (OP)
Everytime a thread is made, I delay my sub longer

>>718982604
It's not the raiders, it's the casual "midcore" shitters who don't do anything other than dungeons, trials, and msq.
Raidfags have been generally very happy with DT, only complaints I've heard is FT snipers and a lack of Ultimate in 7.3, though they're generally hopeful about pilgrim's traverse.

>>718985594
Yeah as it currently stands it's shit but to actually save it we need to make it like DQX and or XI

>>718985594
I wish you and everyone like you would have considered that yourselves and not played the game in the first place. Because then we might still have actual game mechanics.

>>718985785
>to save itself it needs to become a completely different game
no

>>718985808
As in 1.0 with XI so in 7.X with 3.0, people who remember older mechanics are insufferable faggots that bring it up without warning and blame newer players for "everything going wrong."

>>718985817
LOL

>>718985903
Thanks for proving my point. You're the one who doesn't actually like XIV which is why you're happier the further it gets from its roots. And in your eternal lack of self awareness, you decry people who want it to change from your newfag vision as being unreasonable and not real fans. Tried Pagos yet?

>>718981912
I like the shot glass, and ice tray. Thanks anon, I didn't know about these.

>>718985992
What point?

>>718985817
>to save itself it needs to become a completely different game
>no
Quick! Someone go back in time 15 years and tell Yoshida!
LOOOOOL

>>718986051
Renders like this will always make me laugh.

>>718985334

gak

>>718950494
>killing mods
>killing the groomers way of being degenerates publicly.

I'am sorry but niggas that used and abused mare had it coming its one thing to modify your character its another to engage in outright slannesh worshipper behavior. You retards flew too close to the sun and get wreckt for it.

>>718949502 (OP)
what the fuck does this mean ? it sounds like to me they're winding down deving for this game and it doesnt sound like good news.

>>718986036
That you're a newfag who never actually liked XIV to begin with and you're happier the further it gets from its roots. You should have taken your own advice before you ever touched my game. You never belonged here.

>>718986087
That isn't a point, that's posturing.

>>718953428
also this, the engine for the game is too fuckin ass, the MOBILE GAME looks like it plays more snappy and quick comparatively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMp9QydOzVk

>i hate realm reborn
>i hate minfilia
>i hate ascians
>i hate koji
>i hate heavensward
>i hate maehiro
>i hate aymeric
>i hate edgeslop
>i hate rape in my fantasy
>i hate politics
>i hate stormblood
>i hate hien
>i hate hate hate HATE HATE HATE HATTE!!!!!! Lyse
>i hate eureka
>i hate savage
>i hate the job system
>i hate cross classing
>i hate accuracy
>i hate TP
>i hate MP
>i hate all the jobs in their original incarnations
>but yeah FFXIV is the greatest game ever and there are no flaws and honestly you just don't like the game, we stan dawntrail!

>>718952224
Make an expansion unironically about having fun. Every expansion so far has been about fighting a big bad evil, there's been no real break in the story. Basically, allow the player to breathe for a bit.

>>718986432
West...
No more west upon a wolf...

>mare guy gets cocky and thinks everyone will bow down to his bullshit
>mare clones appear
>original mare guy gets investigated for tax fraud
obliterated

>>718986432
Problem being an expansion sized break will make everyone start chewing into your drywall, that's two real world years

>7.4
>a Lalafell guy with red hair kept in a big slicked back spike in the front appears
>"Ey brudda, I'm Wakka Wakakka, captain of the Besaid Aurochs."
>"We're looking for an ace to help us beat those damn Whalaqee Westwolves in the big tournament coming up. You in?"
KINO KINO KINO KINO!!!!!!

>>718986576
>Another expansion of lala pandering
Jesus christ

>>718986510
>original mare guy gets investigated for tax fraud
Source me

>>718986540
I'm not saying "No Content" I'm saying change the story and content to be changed context from fighting an ancient evil or whatever, but to something akin to saving the local youth center from bullies in a surfing competition.

>>718986062
What is so laughable about them? A game like this is a very realistic goal.

Turn on DLAA if you're an NVidia user
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-850CcbUtxk
Whoever shared this initially, thank you, literally all the jaggies are gone
Idk if the 50 series just does it that much better but this is way better than the DL toggles that I could use on the 3070
>>718986432
Uh...this was supposed to be that expansion
They messed it up
>>718986453
>>718986576
Westwolves posting was pure soul, I miss those optimistic days

*kills XIV*

>>718986453
how sad it is that the tacos ended up being the most relevant thing from this image in the actual expansion

Am I am gay if I'm thinking of turning into a girl from my male avatar?

>>718952224
Implement aggressive anti cheat targeted at automation, integrate something like NoClippy straight into the game, allow players to start as far in as Stormblood, give people an expansion oriented around a grand adventure that introduces a new longterm rival and plants seeds for roughly fleshed out concepts later in the story and make mandatory content slightly more difficult with each duty/expansion going forward. Old content could use some new mechanics mixed in and more proactive footsies.

>>718987539
I swapped years ago when I realized that all male armor they make is just gay or flamboyant, specially if you play a mage.

>>718987539
You already were for playing a male in a fujo game

>>718949502 (OP)
>amount of content goes down
That would be a negative amount of content. Are they going to remove the good parts or what?

>>718987737
>Are they going to remove the good parts or what?
They've been doing that for quite some time now. Like with how Steps of Faith got removed and got turned into a solo duty you can experience only once.

>>718952224
>Remove H*othgar
>Remove male V*era
>Total W*k L*m*t Death
>implement repeatable medium difficulty content similar in difficulty to Worlo m/low m+ dungeons
>Make gender specific glamours again
>Make sexy glamours for female characters
And this one is just my opinion:
>remove all max level ilevel sync

>>718962829
>>Hire enough devs to get the patch time back down to 3 months and try to reduce the expansion cycle to 18 months
iirc the change in the patch cycle is a result of the graphical updates that are ongoing atm.
Throwing more devs, especially those unexperienced with the labyrinthine jank of the original code won't help.

>>718988210
Making gender specific glamours fixes the sexy problem alone
Fuck man, they used to make multi gender variants of the same piece way more frequently
There are some recently, but it's the modern PVP stuff
>>718988282
The graphics excuse is bullshit, the amount of gear they update each patch is literally nothing but artifact sets and relic weapons
Where the fuck are my ARR and HW set updates?

>>718988210
>mythic plus nigger comes in here and says the dumbest shit ever.

Shut the fuck up retard I legit quit WoW because of mythic plus during BFA. this game does not need it.

>>718988686
I didn't say it needs mythic plus, I said it needs content similar in difficulty to low mythic plus keys. Learn to read.

>>718988587
>Making gender specific glamours fixes the sexy problem alone
You mean the way the game was before the gays overwhelmed the majority and forced Yoshida to make unisex shit thanks to Fanfest?

>>718988587
>the amount of gear they update each patch is literally nothing but artifact sets and relic weapons
You mean the sets that everyone gets, and typically have the most popular designs for battle gear?
>Where the fuck are my ARR and HW set updates?
If I had to guess I'd say they're distantly down the pipeline, like 9.x. Yoshida said they're working from the front back except for story characters who get top billing.
I might be wrong though.

>>718949502 (OP)
It's a porn game where autists and ugly fat women go to pump and rub, that's all the game is at this point.

>>718986083
SE didnt target Mare cause of that. They targetted Mare because it had the potential to reveal actual active player counts like Playerscope did. They value their secrets that can affect the company's valuation over w/e players do. Mare and many other mods have been running for years prior to the Blacklist change that allowed them to grab player number data.

>>718988817
Never forget what this motherfucker did.

>>718983925
>Wuthering Waves
oh your that one faggot that always jumps into every FF thread and starts shilling the hell out of that gacha garbage slop kys retard

>>718988837
>You mean the sets that everyone gets, and typically have the most popular designs for battle gear?
No one ever wears relic sets, don't kid yourself
>9.0
Genuinely insanity and incompetence if you think it's reasonable to take that long
If the graphics update eats up development for that long it was not worth it at all

>>718988991
It was only a matter of time for this shit. The real blame can be put on ARRfags who supported the community pushback on Yoshi who refused to add same sex Eternal Bonds when they were about to launch the system. They should have never let the fags feel welcomed but hey people defended every action and here we are.

>>718988994
The biggest jap guide maker for 14 jumped ship to WuWa
You lost

>>718950494
It's pretty funny because he says that every expansion (on the dungeons front alone we went from 1 new dungeon + two remixes each patch to just 1 new dungeon that is now always story mandatory to pad out the length of the MSQ) and while I can see that indeed, there's less content in the new patches, I don't see the quality increase.

Apologize.

>>718988996
>No one ever wears relic sets, don't kid yourself
Might be a dc difference. I see plenty in Crystal. Usually mixed and matched though, never full sets.
>Genuinely insanity and incompetence if you think it's reasonable to take that long
I didn't say it was reasonable, just that based on how long it has taken so far I expect it.
It started in ShB/EW and at DT launch we got nice new zones, updates characters, lighting, reflective textures, and weather.
Now at 7.3 we have a few updated characters (like some of the jaggies on the exarch aren't as shitty) and artifact sets/weapons like you said.
The only updated shit you see in old zones are mamool ja and metal surfaces.
I completely expect it to be 9.x before ARR gear is up to DT fidelity, if it ever is updated at all.

>>718977930
She speaks with Koji Fox's authority and has probably slept with half the devs. That's more than enough influence to tank an expansion.

>>718987267
With this, all the jaggies on big black roegadyn cock are gone! Good for you!

>>718952224
Remove every female from every race

>>718989223
Lil nigga EVERYBODY was pro fag back then, even cons because they were still neocons
The culture took time to shift, it's been like 11 fucking years, Obama was still el presidente back then

>>718989587
>n-no everyone was profag
Assuming this is even remotely true you reap what you sow. I hate the day Legacy servers were opened up to new players.

>>718989587
>Lil nigga EVERYBODY was pro fag back then
Nah, I remember the gay marriage stuff was actually a debate on the forums. It wasn't completely one-sided.

>>718987267

Vizex you coming to the Big Black Roegadyn meet-up in the Quicksands tomorrow? I know you hate that Mare is getting taken down but we don't need Mare to enjoy Big Black Roegadyn cock

>>718950734
She's not your wife. This bitch likes that big cat dude.

>>718989587
>EVERYBODY was pro fag back then, even cons because they were still neocons
I remember a good chunk of /v/ defending Yoshi-P's choice before he caved

Where are the modbeasts??

>>718949502 (OP)
>release less content than a fucking gacha game
>expect people to keep paying a monthly sub

>>718958059
>anyone that plays lalafell, male rabbit, or male miqo'te get 1 free fantasia, if they don't swap races they're perma banned

>>718958059
>Lalafell
JP's favorite race and Yoshi's favorite race?

I am resubbed yes

I miss this game sometimes. While Dawntrail's story was absolute garbage, it's the gameplay that really has become so stale and boring. They follow the same release cycle every xpac, the jobs just keep getting dumber and the fights just become more and more dodge instakill aoe shit.

I do want to go back and replay ARR - EW one day for the story. I never did any NG+ so I've only played through it all once. But I don't really want to pay money to do it. Maybe one day the free trial will cover all that and I'll just play that.

GYATT!!!!!!!!

>>718952224
there is no saving it. ever since dawntrail the magic is gone. all new players have to go through dawntrail and that is fucked up

>>718991521
You could also wait for a free login period.

>>718949502 (OP)
>resubbed
There's a free login campaign going on, I logged in, bought a set of 740 gear and did everything I missed since 7.2 came out, why should I?

>>718992263
You owe Yoshi-P you entitled bitch. He gives you the privilege of playing other games and this is how you repay him?

when 7.31

>>718992398
You know...
Eventually...
Like a week or three maybe...

>7.4
>ANOTHER MEMORIAL SERVICE

kek why the fuck do they keep repeating shit/

>>718992519
Two towers
Two funerals
Reminds me of that tragedy

>>718989224
>guide maker
dime a dozen retard

>>718992659
Diamond dozen*

The first shots of the war have been fired. Are you excited?

>>718993007
How long is it going to take for one of them to try bundling in malware?

>>718993091
I can see this psycho moralist doing a targeted strike at lop users.

>>718993007
lol this will never replace mare

Man truly the fact that nearly every XIV thread is the constant downfall drama of mods and profits surely shows me that people play this game.

>>718993091
Not long, Dalamud dev is a known basket case. He'll probably try to kill the launcher, but since it's open source, he won't be able to kill it and this will just end up with a Gshade situation where there will be an alternative without the cancer.

>>718993229
We sub to XIV to play other games like Yoshi-P (pbuh) has given us permission to do.

>>718993007
>>718993187
>kill mare
>lean back and watch those troublesome modders murder each other

>>718993304
All it took was XIV's playerbase dying and leaking active sub numbers. Sasuga PlayerScopesama...

modtrannies lost

Trusting XIV modmakers with automatic updates is fucking retarded.

>>718993391
All my mods work, sis.

>>718953373
i did exactly that. 11, while time consuming is an incredible experience so far.

>>718986364
/v/'s FFXIV threads in a nutshell.

>>718993407
Considering gshade already tried bricking PCs, you'd have to be retarded letting anyone running anything on ffxiv have access to anything besides changing game files locally

>>718993007
omg i never even touched mare or pedoporrit let me finish my gpose sets before you autismos start injecting malware

>>718993627
You get that tripcode yet?

Why do troons love this game

>>718994021
They're autistic men so they participate in autistic male hobbies like MMOs and fighting games.

>>718994021
Online game with actually feminine female characters so they can pretend in front of others easier.

>>718994021
troons dont like this game if they actually did they wouldnt be modding the shit out of it to turn it into something completely different

>>718994112
>something completely different
I want Dark Passenger and Darkside Back and I will use mods to do so if necessary.

>>718977325
you're saying this as if wuk lamat isn't already written out of the story going forward

>>718949502 (OP)
Imagine an Everquest player being told that in 30 years the genre would still revolve around arbitrary UI elements, cooldowns, floor is lava, tab target, and other random baby mechanics instead of simulating a roleplaying experience online.

>>718978560
>Even the story this patch was pretty mid.
MRW I play through 3.1, 3.2, 3.4, 3.5, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.1, 5.4, 5.5, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 and 6.5

Endwalker was bad.
Feo Ul is my wife.
That is all.

>>718994443
>simulating a roleplaying experience online.
That is never going to happen in any mainstream game due to age limitations, unless you give your game an AO rating and that is a surefire way to make sure no one ever sells or advertises your game which means no one but a handful of people will play it. And the reason for it is not because people will try to make it nsfw or roleplay "questionable" content in it, but because simulating a high quality roleplay experience requires a hands-off approach and people being able to walk away from a disagreement instead of turning it into a lifelong crusade to bring down "the evil opponent".

>>718994481
>3.4, 3.5
>mid

>>718994542
Possibly the dumbest post I've read in months. Nigger, you think it would have to be adults only because people would... be mad at each other? And create dynamic conflicts over it?

>>718949502 (OP)
I mean. Does he have a choice? Making multiple difficulties with his skeleton team consisting of Kate and her 3 simps is a big task. SE is jewish enough to not give him anything to work with. Yoshida has already proven that with a proper team he can make a good mmo and he did for a long time. I just dont get these hate threads on neo-/v/ at this point.

>>718980624
He probably means that reducing difficulties and replacing them with more fluid means of scaling your own content will lead to on paper less content. i.e. variant/criterion changing to just variant with the option to make it more criterion via quantum mechanics.
But like with everything said by him, we're going to grab the most gloomy and uncharitable interpretation and maniacally HA HA HA HA HA post about it for the next 8 months.

>>718994773
I have over a decade of experience listening to him talk and I can say with absolute confidence that he will deliver the worst possible interpretation of everything he says.

>>718994773
No, the reason why the not-Eureka shit got so much blowback was because its too hard. And when they pressured P for answers, he said they did not have enough time for it. So if time is the constraint and they decide to do variable difficulties due to pushback, then some other shit needs to be delayed/scrapped.

>>718986432
nah, we unironically need more doom and gloom in the msq again

Troonergooners eternally btfo

How to fix FFXIV, a short guide:
>revamp marriage mechanic to allow players to marry NPCs, including Kan-e, Ysh, Yugiri, the Sultana, and Minfilia (we brought her back) along with others.
>full questline for wooing your candidate and side missions for convincing her to allow other girls into your harem, which leads to threesomes/foursomes, etc
>can change your wife's clothes and take her to multiple places in game world
>can rape your wife any time you want
>all lala, cats, bunnies and dragon players are forced to submit to a real-time face scan and if they are male they get auto-switched to a male Roe with unremovable female make up and a tutu
>the prominent ERP servers are all wiped, and the only way to get your character and items back is to participate in a "quest" where they are placed in a room and have to type "I am sorry for being a faggot" 100 times for each year on the server, using ctrl+c/v at any point resets the counter, as does using macros, bots or having the game not be fullscreen
>pvp in the open world, you can now freely attack players and if you kill them they drop the items they were carrying
These changes would be guaranteed to bring new players in.

>>718988994
He's yet to show us that primo gacha content. Maybe one day.

>>718994773
When liar-pee delivers my promised Ramuh-egi and Shiva-egi, I will think about giving him the benefit of the doubt again.

>>718975735
I'm not sure I agree.
In Endsinger, like in Ultima Weapon, you fucking lost and got saved by outside help. Hydaelyn and the Scions respectively.
We didn't overpower Endsinger in the same way we did Ifrit. Because even in her own domain of despair, hope was prevalent enough for the Elpis flowers to shine. It's hard to imagine her being power beyond power when even her entire motivation was just a naked cope.

>>718994773
>make instanced raid with one difficulty in new field exploration aimed at midcore players
>difficulty too high for midcore players
>midcore player complain
>"W-we did not have enough time to test and add more difficulties aka normal and savage modes"
>decide to cave in and give what they want
>but team so small all the testing takes more time
>goes on interview and says this

>>718994542
Online interactions aren't rated anon. I wasn't talking about enabling second life RP I meant that there isn't a modern MMO that reflects modern hardware capabilities and makes design choices in good taste. Live the life of a blacksmith in an immersive world type shit; this isn't even a high bar to clear especially with early access publishing.

Hotbars cooldowns etc were only placeholders for primitive hardware.

>>718994595
Yeah. Mid.

>>718981327
>>718981465

>>718994595
you wanna make her nose any longer?

So, how's the new WoW expansion looking? I think I'm ready to move on from this dogshit.

>>718995115
Retard

>>718994481
5.1 is the only actual bad msq story on this list, everything else is magnitudes better than the completely slopfest of Yawnfail

>>718986927
Not when it was made, doubly so if it is also supposed to run on console.

>>718995123
>chuuni urianger
>Ardbert despair kino that made everyone pissed that WoDs got "dropped" for years afterward
>Ilberd ACKing
>mid
Unbelievably shit taste

>>718949502 (OP)
14 players think if they can cause a shitstorm, it will make Yoshida rethinking his budget cuts. You can't get enough players to quit, they are like wow players. There for life.

>>718995197
based enjoyer of bimbos inviting tempered snakes into throne room hippie peace circle

>>718994773
>But like with everything said by him, we're going to grab the most gloomy and uncharitable interpretation
Nigga have you kept up with all of his fucking lies or broken promises? Lmao there is no reason to trust the same fucking retard who had the gall to tell us people did Eureka for the content and not the rewards only to have its population collapse on the 2nd part of Eureka. He talks out of his ass and under delivers. Ishikawa, Soken and Koji have been doing all the fucking heavy lifting.

>>718995058
>midcore
Just call yourself a casual player instead of hiding behind actually useless terms

>>718995280
>chuuni urianger
cute. does not a good msq make
>Ardbert despair kino that made everyone pissed that WoDs got "dropped" for years afterward
you made my point for me
>ilberd ACKing
while we just stand there and let him enact his master plan while he throws wordswordswords
>mid
You heard me.

>>718995115
>Online interactions aren't rated
That doesn't matter, I'm talking about moderation. This world no longer runs on the rules of the old internet where people were free to block those they disliked or disagreed with or those that were obnoxious and moved along, effectively self moderating. The current culture is to run towards a big daddy to ban the evil icky booboo dispenser and anything that doesn't have this will be considered "unsafe".

>>718994635
Yes.

>>718994773
>>718995354
Member when there was going to be official mod support at 2.0 launch?
Member wandering primals and FC summonings?
Member Legacy exclusive items remaining exclusive?
Member set bonuses?
Member Blitzball?
Member when there was going to be official mod support at 3.0 launch?
Member when player housing would be separate from FC housing?
Member when there wouldn't be auto-demolition?
Member when Ramuh-egi was confirmed for HW?
Member when egi glamours were confirmed for Stormblood?
Member when the assault on Ala Mhigo was going to be a completely new never before seen type of content that could only exist in an MMO?
Member when duty support was only to allow people to finish EW and starting with DT the focus would be on mass multiplayer content?

>>718995286
>You can't get enough players to quit
>game is currently down to 300k from a high of 1.8-2.1 million at DT launch
Heh I'm sure that 45% lose in operational profits is a nothing burger bro.

>>718952224
>Total flying death
>More diversions and distractions. Flesh out Treasure Maps so they're like Runescape's Treasure Trails.
>Massively buff FATEs so they're back to ARR standards so alt levelling isn't just spamming roulettes and abusing dailies
>Massively rework questing so it's more involved than just PRAY RETURN TO WUK LAMAT and killing twelve bears for their asses
>Make the mobile client into just a client for the game instead of autopathing realm reborn for lazy asian salarymen
The Japanese would revolt at totally-not Japanese Runescape, but WoW clones are pure liquid ass and that should be the direction the game is moved in. It's objectively healthier than a vertical progression MMO.

Gamers won, seething ERPtrannies on suicide watch

>>718986632
>>Another expansion of lala pandering
>complaining after three back to back to back expansions sucking off hyur
Eternal fucking victim complex.

>>718995412
>Member when the assault on Ala Mhigo was going to be a completely new never before seen type of content that could only exist in an MMO?
Tbf an FPS mode to shoot people with blow darts is something unique to FFXIV in regards to MMOs.

>>718995509
That was just a random SB minigame, he said that the actual taking back of the city of Ala Mhigo was going to be completely new never before conceived of content.

>>718995354
>Nigga have you kept up with all of his fucking lies or broken promises?
give us the list
>>718995412
oh thanks
so that's 12 things
in 12 years
and most of these weren't even promises but ideas they had or things they said they might do
gg

>>718995557
>GLURK GLURK GLURK GLURK

>>718995460
>Gamers won
People who played the game for content long since quit mate. Participation numbers are so fucking low it's not even funny.

>>718995412
I love how over half this list is just something you're being performatively mad about just so you can pretend to have a grudge.
Don't change, FF14 community.

>>718980542
Dawntrail wouldn't have done her justice anyway.

>>718995557
>and most of these weren't even promises but ideas they had or things they said they might do
I'd start raping you with sources but my eyes are shutting so I gotta go to bed. I'll post the list again tomorrow and rape you then.
>>718995646
Remembering that Yoshi-P is a liar isn't a performance, it's reality. He talks out of his ass constantly. You ex-blizzdrone dicksuckers just can't do anything but worship corporations.

You all sound really mad and mentally ill, have you considered maybe play games you like or even just go outside instead?

>>718995557
He has never deliver on anything retard. It's all half assed or doubling down on shit no one wanted.
>12 things
There shouldn't even be 3. The dude shoves shit under the carpet hoping people forget and people defended him. The state of the game is because no one held these fuckers to their word and blindly defended each action. The XIV community has reaped what it sowed.

>>718995701
>I'd start raping you with sources but my eyes are shutting so I gotta go to bed. I'll post the list again tomorrow and rape you then.
-Quote from The Raped

>>718995703
Go outside and do what? Collecting mosquito bites and sunburn?

>>718995612
They still won, because at least a couple hundred mebtally unstable trannies noosed themselves after mare got nuked

There's only like 3 suggestions in this entire thread that aren't turbo retarded. You deserve how shit this game is at this point.

Especially if your solutions are somehow just modern American politics but you're talking about ff14 instead. You should kill yourself. Violently. Like immediately.

>>718995390
Go suck trannycock, niggerbastard

>>718995703
>You all sound really mad and mentally ill
Welcome to FFXIV threads where anyone who ever quit the game because of some personal slight still continues to orbit it for half a decade longer while behaving like scorned BPD headcases.

>>718995786
Yes it's better than sitting here bitching about a game you don't like
>>718995865
They really should seek some help

>>718995938
Nice try Sena but I'm not leaving this piece of shit game alone. Tell Yoshitpiss that he will never gain my sub (or my love) back until he adds Shiva-Egis and that I've often stood in front of a mirror contemplating whether to repeatedly stab my own genitals in protest of his deceitful serpentine lies. He just wants to HURT ME. He wants to SEE ME SUFFER. Well, then I will make HIM suffer.

>>718995390
Casual players in FFXIV are the players that log in to do the msq and then use it as a chatbox for 4 months, and struggle to complete leveling dungeons. The ones that whine that In From The Cold is too hard. They're why everyone is trying to use terms like midcore instead - because they don't want people to think that's what content they want.

>>718995557
>oh wow so he lied only 30 times big whoop you act like it was 31 times!

>>718996041
>Nice try Sena
Yeah you really need to go outside and seek help

>>718996041
This but unironically

>>718996103
Anon....

>>718996053
Casual players are players that play casually, it's not an indication of skill but rather how much time and effort the player is willing to put into the game. Tons of people used to be hardcore play 9 hours a day and then become more casual with time.
>The ones that whine that In From The Cold is too hard.
No that were people that struggled with into the cold, that's not everyone that plays casually
>They're why everyone is trying to use terms like midcore instead
And they're morons conditioned by other morons to think all casual are bad at the game, pure insecurity, but there's also more hardcore players that use it to not seem like total nolifers.

It's a dumb meaningless term born from deep insecurities.

FanFest announcement probably on the 27th.

>>718996362
Why was In From the Cold reduced in difficulty then? Surely the complaints of a handful of isolated individuals would not be enough?

>>718974637
>lamentum means lament
woah
based 80 iq lala

>>718996454
Yeah, the mod was named Synchronos, so the maker of that post is doubly retarded.

>>718996362
And yet if you ask for casual content everyone assumes you mean content for the msq then afk players, or dungeons you can complete while fucking asleep in your chair. Curious.

>>718996401
>Why was In From the Cold reduced in difficulty then?
Because a lot of people bitched and the team listened figuring it's worth having this hassle for a msq duty.
This does not prove all casuals are bad by the way.

>>718996401
Was it really reduced that much?

The "hassle" in question? Not blindly walking in to the enemy and mashing 1.

>>718996553
But if casuals are good, they wouldn't be having issues with a simple MSQ solo duty then.

>>718996553
>>718996641
Neither causals or raiders are at fault. The playerbase is for excusing every stupid change or accepting every excuse to the games detriment and making sure no one could speak out against the team. The playerbase rewarded the dev's less than mediocre work with more praise, money and their defense. You retards never pushed SE to fix their shit and it shows.

>>718996362
Wow, this is the first time in a long while that I've seen someone accurately describe casual people.
This game either gives you turbo boring garbage (for casual content) that you clear in a day, or savage type fights I don't have time to prog.

>>718996549
This is actually what people have been criticizing for a long time. Most casuals are competent, but the devs just keep treating them as babies.
And this is true for hardcore content too, which is devolved into body checks, punishing other players for mistakes they didn't do.
This game just has two extremes level of difficulty, no in between. But most hardcore players have their heads so deep in their asses they can't even understand that.

>>718996734
EX is fairly between easy and savage/ult shit
The problem is non-hardcore players will consider content too difficult if it can't be done in duty finder.

>>718996641
>But if casuals are good, they wouldn't be having issues with a simple MSQ solo duty then.
I realize you can't think but not all casual players complained, all casuals are not bad, it was bad players that complained.
>>718996720
No even if the team did everything right people would be tribal about things and bitch because thats just how MMO players work

>>718996883
>it was bad players that complained.
on that note: they are complaining now. that dawntrail dungeons are too hard and make the game unplayable for "casuals"

>>718996883
>No even if the team did everything right people would be tribal about things
Correct except in that case the people defending the devs would have a leg to stand on. Opposition will always exist but in the way things stand the people who rightfully criticized the game and it's shortcoming over the years were eventually proven right.

>>718996372
they should bring hiroi and kate to the fanfests

>>718996969
you wouldn't do shit tho
you can't even snitch to square about kate

Is Aether still the go to place to do content especially endgame?

>>718997068
>>718997068
aethers full of shitters.

>>718996850
Yeah EX is cool, but it's ONE fight every 4 months. Just ONE. It's not even interesting to grind it, there are no variations, you basically just grind it for the mount. At one point, you have enough cool mounts and you don't even bother.

I don't entirely disagree with the DF part, this is just the tip of the iceberg. People wants to use DF because it means that the fight doesn't require specific knowledge prior to that for clearing.
You don't use DF for savage, because there are different strats to clear the fight, because these are fights that require a lot of prog that you can't reasonably expect from people queuing DF, because it's easier to control who gets into your group in PF.

But casual people aren't bad (most), they just don't want to invest time to prog a fight like that, that's the major difference. Personally, I'm just tired of wiping because of someone else's mistake on the other side of the arena. PF gave me cancer. I still remember waiting 45mn for a group to fill, to then have the lead make 3 mistakes that wiped the group, just to disband. Minus 1h-1h30 of my life.

If you don't understand now, you'll understand the day you can't do a lot of prog anymore.

>>718997317
Yeah, but there is a medium and a lot of people don't seem to generally touch it because it requires some level of coordination.
Not saying Square is doing it all right, but they'll need to figure out a way to get non-hardcores into non-duty finder content more. That's probably the biggest hurdle of all. A lot of them see they can't do it in duty finder and immediately decide it's too hard. You can't really develop content easily around a group of players like that, so there needs to be some way for them to tread into at least the shallows.
And yeah at the very least body checks need to go.

>>718997449
>into non-duty finder content more
Never going to happen. That's the one thing Yoshi actively avoids based on interviews he's given during the lead up to Stormblood.

>>718997449
>non-hardcores into non-duty finder content more
This was supposed to be OC and FT, maybe even chaotic.
FT, according to YoshiP, is something that was made where 24 hardcore players could carry 24 noobs, but it's just impossible with the fights' designs.

Body checks have no place in content below savage, even extremes. I'm sure they can make challenging fights without them, but at this point they've been going at it for a decade, so it's just second nature for them. Again, FT is the best example of that, lmao.

I kinda agree with your take, though the other problem of PF related content, is that when they get old, depending on the difficulty, you have to join a mafia discord to do the content, and that's another major problem of the game.
No, I don't want to join some tranny's discord just to clear something, fuck that. This is also why DF works.

>>718997586
Then what can they do, really?
>>718997881
The problem with FT was the way to get in and the raise limit.
I get what his mentality was with the whole delving into FT with group of randoms you found in FT, but the actual way FT works is incongruent with that.

>>718997913
Nothing. They ignored the engine's glaring flaws and made no attempt to fix it because they believed the community would always defend them. The piper has come to collect.

anyone seen the new interview yet? 8.0 will be in the ninth

>>718997913
>The problem with FT was the way to get in and the raise limit.
I wouldn't say get in was a problem. It is only a problem because the fights are hard, because you need to prog it.
Look at CLL and Dalradia (what people actually expected from FT, in terms of difficulty), they just spawn the same way, but people don't complain: you do some CEs, then it pops and you're happy.

No, FT is a mix of too much
>3 deaths limit
>Specific pjobs required
>Extreme+ level of mechanics for every boss
>Individual mistakes punish the whole raid
>punish = wipe
I loooove dying because someone I can't even see on my screen has screwed up something, either he didn't know, he didn't notice or he didn't pay attention. This is so obnoxious.
I'm not asking them to NERF FT, but this is clearly the equivalent of DRS. Yet we have DR normal. In what world would they think this would work, this would be popular?
THIS is when I understood: the devs learn NOTHING from experience. They do their stuff, either it will somehow work, or it won't.
If casual are 'lazy' because of the content the devs keep pumping for them, then the devs are actually braindead.

>>718998246
I don't think prog is necessarily horrible, so long as you can actually bounce back.
3 deaths and you're out and entry lottery (now sort of fixed) kill any momentum.
I get your point, though.

>>718998357
>I don't think prog is necessarily horrible
Yeah, you're right, this is probably the part of me that was too frustrated after seeing what they did with OC, knowing EW had 0 field op (and had shit like island sanctuary).
Likewise, I do understand why getting inside FT is bad and frustrating (at least before the changes). That's even more funny to be honest, considering DRS existed years before FT, yet again they didn't learn from it. FT is really the best example at what's wrong with the game, at least for me.

Good talk though, this is super rare in a XIV thread.

Kneel before the wisdom of the Zilart and die!

>>718998665
They wanted to go back to BA, but players don't really necessarily want a BA.
Well, not as the baseline, at least. As an optional harder version? Sure. It just feels like they had two entirely different teams working on something and then they collided together at the end. Mixed signals.
>Good talk though, this is-
Yeah, I'm a little tired. These threads are something else. Thanks for the chat.

>>718949502 (OP)
No, 4 free days are more than enough to play through 'all' the content if you're not a grindfag

I thank you for this amusement

>>718949502 (OP)
i played till the first raid release in endwalker, and came back to do extreme endsinger. Enjoyed the story in heavensward, and shadowbringers/endwalker and all the LFR style raids you bumped into while leveing up through the story. But the problem is when you hit end game, and while the raids and raid community is actually pretty high quality despite no logs being checked on players, the patches are ankle deep in quality and you get bored quickly. Sad, cause the raids are pretty fun, the spinning shit from Xodiark, the sewer boss with the platforms, and extreme endsinger were A+ material.

>>718997091
So it is still the go to place to do content for NA.