Thread 719049191

Why is this game so schizophrenic?
>Noctis we need to get the Royal Arms to fight the empire!
>Actually fuck the Royal Arms let's just get the Espers
>Wait... let's go back to the Royal Arms for a bit even though we already ignored half of them
>WAIT NO FORGET THAT THE CRYSTAL WE NEED THE CRYSTAL
>also the empire was like all killed off screen so none of this mattered, don't worry about it
Could they not decide what macguffins they wanted the story to revolve around?

its called kino

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>>719049191 (OP)
Well that’s what happens when you let develop linger for ten years, then fire the original director in favor of some butthole who thinks it should be able to be played by literal babies and then say “You’ve got like a year to finish everything and ship it.”

So much shit left on the cutting room floor…

>>719049191 (OP)
The game also made zero logical sense. The timeskip was poorly written, last minute, and honestly completely unnecessary. Luna never needed to be killed off, and it hardly mattered when she did because it happens so early in the game and you barely even see her before that point either.
And also the on rails driving wirh the basic car before they fixed it was annoying as fuck. I was also bothered by how on rails most of it felt. The landscapes LOOKED cool but you could barely explore anything that was actually good besides a few basic towns.

>>719049191 (OP)
Bro the story right from the get go told you that the Empire stole the Crystal when they invaded and you had to get it back. The Royal arms are just a means to get you a stronger arsenal, and most are optional cause the whole point is for you the player to explore the world. As for the gods the Empire sought to control them so you had to fix that along the way.
>>719050772
You know you were supposed to get off the car at some point to explore right? If you got railroaded you were deliberately skipping seeing most of the open world. Chocobo riding was supposed to be your means of efficiently seeing the world without just following the road

>>719049191 (OP)
Cause Tabata was a hack

>>719050234
The game ran like shit because it was built off the FF14 engine. It was unresponsive as fuck, there's a reason why they made you hold a fucking button to enter "dodge mode." The story being a clusterfuck was not even the main issue.

>>719051924
Yes the Crystal was always the end point from the beginning but the way to get there is extremely weird.
Again they introduce the Royal Arms as an overarching goal but they get discarded since half of them are optional, which only makes it more jarring when suddenly they go "wait we should go get this random one even though Ignis is severely debilitated now"
Then they tell you actually what we need are the summons but once again you don't get all of them, the characters don't even discuss Ifrit at all at any point prior to his boss battle, they just decide "ok time to make a run for the Crystal even though we've failed at everything we set out to do to make ourselves stronger"
It's also weird how the final battle still acts like you got every Royal Arm even if you didn't but whatever.

>>719049191 (OP)
This game would have been a thousand times better if it was just about Noctis's road trip with the boys.

>>719049191 (OP)
the story was rewritten like 4 times over the years

>>719054010
The first ~half of the game was basically just that, until you go to the water city to find your girlfriend and it railroads you to the rest of the game.

Obtain better taste OP, XV is the best game in the series

noctis is gay and doesn't eat vegetables

>>719050234
Is there any game that went through a long and arduous dev cycle with multiple pivots and ended up unambiguously good?

>>719054232
Final Fantasy VII

Don't know. I dropped it as soon as the offed Luna

Why do open world games and terrible disconnected stories go hand in hand? It's not some kind of limitation of the game design, there's just this deliberate decision to have open world games consist of one minute long conversations in between minutes of travelling through nothing. Do they just not want the player engaged in story for too long at one time?

>>719054232
Pretty inarguable.

>can fight without dying like a bitch
>can cook a thousand different recipes
>had no problem with letting the world end if it means saving Noctis
Lunafreya was useless in every way and lost to a homo.

>>719054951
>lost his fucking eyes and became batman, using echolocation to kill shit
The gods were cunts in that game, if they wanted to make a good game they'd let you team up with Ardyn to get revenge on those fucking dickheads.

>>719055054
It was Ardyn's fault for acting like uncle pedo instead of just approaching them like a normal human being.

>>719055194
He was already batshit insane after being locked up in the miasma for thousands of years.

>>719052605
It was built on 13 engine and 16 on the 14 engine

>>719055194
Unironically wtf even was Ardyn's plan?
The empire basically takes itself out and Noctis accomplishes essentially nothing outside of killing him, why would Ardyn not just kill him at the start? Or leave him for dead at Titan?
He basically doomed himself by leading Noctis to the crystal.

>>719055652
>He basically doomed himself by leading Noctis to the crystal.
Wasn't that his plan the whole time? Pretty sure he wanted to die and Noctis was the only one that could put him down.

>>719054827
I didn't care about Luna cause she was barley in the damn game.

>>719049191 (OP)
>Final Fantasy
>No magic

>>719055584
>It was built on 13 engine and 16 on the 14 engine
Then I don't know how they fucked it up so badly, 15 feels like a fucking network game.

It's pretty clear the half of the game is missing, and that's before you get into the dlc and multimedia spinoffs.

>>719054827
She has some god tier porn

>>719049191 (OP)
>why is this game so schizophrenic
I've been saying this for most entries in the series.

>>719049191 (OP)
Are there PC mods to give him his versus 13 look? I tried looking and didn't see shit. Only way I'll play this

>>719055054
>they'd let you team up with Ardyn to get revenge on those fucking dickheads
That was literally the plot of the final DLC they never made. Alternative timeline where Noct, Luna and Ardyn team up to go fuck up Bahamut

>>719056390
Didn't they also put the story on a book and movie?

>>719049279
Yeah. In that you have to shut down the game, open up whatever fucking streaming service currently has the movie, and watch the most pivotal moment in the entire game on said service.

>>719056612
Yes, you need to watch the movie to understand a lot of the world building. Otherwise you just get a lot of nonsense dumped on you in the first couple of hours. Never looked at the book or the comic or whatever it was.

>>719056514
>save the best things for last
>get canceled because you blew too much money on stupid shit

>>719049191 (OP)
No because they re-wrote the story several times and then cut 90% of what they had done and stitched together what was left.

>>719055652
>>719055870
He had two plans, destroy the world or finally die by the hands of Noctis (only one who could do it) basically he won no matter what happened

>>719049191 (OP)
Because it was like, part of XIII's world and not a numbered entry, but then it was turned into one and then the development was messy
XVI is as "simple" as it is because XV as a concept was convoluted as shit

>>719056727
Yea I'm fucking mad too. We also missed out on best girl Aranea's DLC too. Apparently the plot was put into a novel though

Was this game absurdly easy for anyone else? I barely even grinded and did only a few side quests between things, but I remember never really being in true danger of dying to anything. There was always a way out even when I was underpowered. Probably legit died less than 3 times the entire game and I even did one or two of the post game bosses.

it had the best music in the franchise. even better than 14's ost

>>719056686
That's funny, it was the very first section Nomura completed as playable in Versus

>>719055652
There was no grand plan to it all, he was given the role of villain by Bahamut ordained by prophecy and he essentially said "Fuck it I'll fill that role and be a dick about it in the process." Its acknowledged in the Ardyn DLC that he also wanted to kill Nocts dad but Bahamut came in and said "Nah bro chill he'll die but not like this" He knew his role and played it

>>719057008
The biggest flaw this game has in regards to difficulty is item storage. If you do enough quests and hunts you have enough money to always have 99 high potions in stocks at all times. The game would be significantly harder if in dungeons and boss fights you could only take in a set amount of stock of items.

>>719057242
What the fuck is going on in the portraits, that's ridiculous.

>>719057242
Bro Nomura admitted in KH3 interviews most early trailers for his games are animated including gameplay sections. Nothing in Versus was ever actually playable

>>719057645
Sure, buddy. He totally wasn't just talking about Kingdom Hearts in the Kingdom Hearts interview.

>>719056494
Tried? First page Google results alone show several Versus outfit mods, check Steam Workshop or just google Ff15 mod versus outfit

>>719055584
no it wasn't. ff13 was on the crystal tools engine. ff15 uses the luminous engine

I thought this game couldnt be as bad as I've heard. It starts okay and its actually pretty good for first couple of hours and then it happens, the last 50% of the game is just all fucking bullshit. It was one of the worst experiences of my life.

Magic grenade

>>719057896
It was originally on Crystal Tools like XIV 1.0, but Luminous had to be developed since CT could not handle large world maps.

Unfortunately, XIV kept CT and 1.0's disaster was the result, which destroyed VsXIII's development since that team along with others had to be taken away to help fix it and make ARR.

>>719057937
Did you play it fairly recently? Cause at launch it was even worse.

>>719053776
Well in game once you beat it you can freely time travel back and forth between stages of the game, from a gameplay perspective it makes sense for the devs to leave the final multi cross slash attack in there cause at some point the player can go back in time per say and get the final Royal arms post game. I wouldn't call it discarded, it's just a more video games way to approach the situation, and for the story purposes that would always leave you canonically picking up your Father's Sword as the final Royal Arms.
Plus with the dungeon you referenced that dungeons purpose was to illustrate the trials Ignis would face but how he was willing to man up to his disability but continue pushing on anyway.
As for the Ifrit point they did acknowledge that critique and patched in a cutscene with Shiva explaining what's up with him

>>719049279
It honestly does sound kino.

>>719057724
Yeah, of course, your right anon. You know, there's also this great dev who has never lied in interviews. His name is Todd and he made this amazing game called Skyrim, you should check it out. It's EXACTLY how he describes it :)

>>719049191 (OP)
They literally had nothing to work with, as during the 7 years of development hell they had no progress was ever made to the plot, plus the whole Fabula Nova Crystalys shit was dumped. The only decent part of the whole game is Ardyn

>>719058471
Ah so in one interview, you don't believe anything he says, but in another, you believe everything he says, and further extend it to apply to things he didn't include himself

Also some other guy with no association to him lied one time.

Perfect logic.

>>719049191 (OP)
Embark on an iconic adventure following Mopey Twink, Twunk, Elated Twink, and Cooking Twink as they venture to get Mopey Twink's dick wet in a kingdom far, far away. You'll visit grandiose and stunning locations like field, gas station, and city outskirts, with views unparalleled in their fantastical nature. Fight against an evil empire that will eradicate itself to herald the apocalypse because your uncle is a cunt!

Seriously, this game was a fucking mess lol, a story like no other, but not in a positive light.

>>719058513
>as during the 7 years of development hell they had no progress was ever made to the plot
Storyline and characters were confirmed finished by 2010

>>719058537
>Lied one time
I didn't know you were a Versusfag Todd Howard, how's that new Elders Scrolls game btw, that animate-I mean TOTALLY IN GAME TRAILER

>>719058823
Completely irrelevant to the topic, I accept your concession

>>719049191 (OP)
It's a testament to how convoluted the plot is in that you're missing enormous parts - like the fact it's a road trip game to your wedding - but it doesn't matter at all
Why did the royal family make a spell that requires a bunch of ghosts to kill the last remaining heir to work? Are they stupid?

>>719058739
Anon, unlike most other hack directors, one thing I will credit Nomura for is that he is a GAMES director, and the reality is that if he couldn't make something achievable in game, he would scrap it and try something else. He doesn't direct movies, he wants to make actual gameplay. It also makes sense as to why Tabata said once he took the directors chair whatever was finished of Versus was like 20%, cause Nomura probably had to scrap shit again and again cause the engine couldn't handle it at the time, and when it finally did, he was off to do KH and FF7

Is there a way to keep a target locked without having to have the target button pressed all te time?

A whole lot of work was put into the lore and background of the setting, but most of it tossed out because SE decided late in development that the hero being the prince of a kingdom that literally worships Death was too dark, and also wanted to sever all ties to XIII

Then they ended up giving it to Kill Em All Tabata who just gave it his usual grimderp edgy ending anyway kek

>>719058996
They didn't make the spell like that, it was pre-ordained. Nocts bloodline was doomed from the start, Noct was always gonna be sacrificed to bring light back to the world. Now if you think the special ghost move looked lame then sure whatever Anon but either way it happened Noct had to die cause Bahamuts a petty fuck

>>719058996
I don't know, Bahamut created a bloodline of people with the power to stop the Starscourge so that they could do nothing useful for ten thousand years until Noctis was born so he could die for our sins... to stop the Starscourge

Back up for just one second to the part where he could give people the power to stop the Starscourge from the start and didn't just give that to everyone instead

>>719049191 (OP)
>Why is this game so schizophrenic?
Final Fantasy, Nomura, etc.

>>719059132
>but most of it tossed out
that's not what happened. they released the trilogy of THE WORLD OF VERSUS in hidden games.

we will find versus 13 someday, but what Square did with it is bullshit. You would THINK Versus would be hidden inside final fantasy 13, but you're wrong.

It's so fucking drab I hate Nomura fashion

>>719059132
Nigeger late in development there wasn't a finished fucking game the fuck you on about? Square showed the same trailer for years they didn't give a shit, Nomura left to do KH shit that's the fucking reality. He did it AGAIN with Verum Rex too, deciding to do KH4 instead. Your boy has autism man, let it go

still the best fishing minigame of all time and worth the price of admission imo

>>719059209
>>719059228
It might've been forgiveable if Noctis had character development. He just felt so flat. Sacrificing him didn't feel like it meant anything.

>>719059331
>mad when he uses colors
>mad when he doesn't
>mad when clothes are fantastical
>also mad when they are grounded

NDS is real

What's funny is Nomura didn't even design the cast's outfits in XV, that was an actual Japanese fashion design firm called Roen.

>>719059228
That's acknowledged in the game actually. In the optional post game dungeons there are testimonies from past kings who would DELIBERATELY put off doing any of the hard work and make it a future descendents problem. The only one who was willing to step up was Nocts father but he got killed

>>719059373
>RAHEWUWAJSHDHAS
Get a grip

>>719059209
It's kinda neat a recurring theme of the game a belief that sacrifice and suicide is necessary even when it often wasn't and in some cases was counterproductive. Luna, Nice, dad, Ignis, even Ardyn
Problem is this appears to have been accidental so they nothing with it. Unless the real message was "keep killing yourself you never know when it might actually work"

>>719058739
Confirmed finished and yet all they could show was promotional art of Stella and pre rendered gameplay. If they really had something then it would of been as easy as changing the goddess name and move forward, but instead all we got was: the japanese backstreet boys, Luna being irrelevant to the plot,a non-existent empire that we are supposed to fear but never get to fight, 80% of the story being DLC/anime/books. Tabata was asked to build a 5* meal using only leftovers

>>719059616
Well yeah the story was written, the assets were not made and put together yet because the team was made to fix XIV 1.0, XIII's 360 port, then sent to various KH spinoffs and miscellaneous bullshit on top of needing to create a new engine because Crystal Tools was garbage.

Of course they had nothing new to show, they never had the chance to make their plans into much after the initial work started. What they DID manage to make looks better than what actually came out, even from a conceptual standpoint.

>>719059041
Why would you think that's possible?

>>719059394
Agree to disagree but I saw it him facing loss with his dad, then with Luna, then feeling responsible for Iggys blindness and almost feeling like he killed Prompto, going through ALL THAT but not running away even when Ignis gave him the option, it's classic Shonen shit. For me playing it felt like playing Sora but he was actually allowed to grow up, that's the feeling I got

>>719049191 (OP)
Its unfinished and after years of delays, the execs told the director to finally release the thing. First teaser for this shit was first released in 2006. Yes 2000 fucking 6. And only released in a blatantly unfinished state 10 years later.
https://youtu.be/b6At_bb1PNU

I think the brief period where everything was trying to be multimedia was horrorendous, but I think FF15 takes the cake in what a cluster fuck it was. Prologue movie, anime shorts, books. You can write off the anime stuff, but the movie was crucial for understanding the world and the book contains what would have been the true ending to the game.
I can understand doing multimedia after the fact if the game was successful but they hurt the game by ripping out stuff that could have been in the game.
FF15 pisses me off to this day because I played it at launch and essentially got a early access version of something that was sold as a completed game.

>>719059595
Well it's a "Sins of the Father" type story. These guys were fucked from the start due to some shit that wasn't their fault from long ago and they could either run from it or grow up and face it. That's Nocts arc, he's always crying in the beginning of the world falling around him but instead of crying he grows up and carries the burden and hopes for the best, even if he's not around for it.

>>719059974
Don't feel too bad, nobody ever got the completed game anyway

>>719060007
>That's Nocts arc, he's always crying in the beginning of the world falling around him but instead of crying he grows up and carries the burden and hopes for the best, even if he's not around for it.
That's Tidus' arc as well, neat

>>719056114
>No magic
There is clearly magic in the game.

>>719059825
See, I saw him in a perpetually extended mope. Even his excited points were so muted it felt like he just got socks for Christmas. His lack of investment, joy, or showing any love of life makes him really difficult to enjoy as a character. He has reasons to be miserable, but it's just one long daisy chain of bad shit happening to him; even then, he doesn't sink lower. He just remains fairly statically mopey. It's part of what makes Gladio's reaction to Noctis moping on the train strange - Noctis is barely out of his normal self, and Gladio starts railing on him for being too mopey and whiny.

>>719058648
>Mopey Twink
Being sarcastic = mopey now?

>>719060224
>or showing any love of life
Did you just skip over the first half of the game?

I began this year by replaying it on PS5.

After 8 hours I went afk while at camp screen (where XP gain is displayed)

When I came back game stopped to respond

I have restarted the game and found that all saved were corrupted and unrecoverable

>>719060224
Well even though most of the side quests in the game aren't good, the flavor text you get in each one shows Noct just being a good boy and helping people in need, like real typical Shonen hero stuff. You also have the specific bro quests where he just hangs out with Ignis Prompto and Gladio and are just having a good time. Plus with the specific dialogue he gets with fishing he really is just as dorky as Sora.

>>719060224
The original plan was that Notctis was only going to look like some dark brooding dude, but his real personality was going to be cheerful and positive as a contrast. I don't know where that aspect disappeared to

>>719060502
Nope. He's just unable to show joy. It's like he has the muted type of autism without finding his special interest.

>>719059798
This is basically ff7 remake

>>719049191 (OP)
because it's an unfinished repurposing of a canceled game called Versus XIII
it was rushed out the door just to get it over with and recoup some of their sunk cost
they tripled down on marketing instead of finishing the game and it worked out in their favor

>>719059798
God, I just wanted a grimdark cyberpunk FF that played similarly to KH2. Why was that too much to ask for?

>>719060762
>they tripled down on marketing instead of finishing the game and it worked out in their favor
It really fucking did, I was shocked at the sales numbers. But even being the fastest selling FF in history was still not enough break even, apparently.

>>719060790
I feel you
I am now working on my own Versus, with blackjack and hookers

im shocked that the lawsuit faggot came into this thread and only made one post

>>719060828
It would have sold more if it wasn't absolute shit. A lot of people bought it despite the leaks or had it preordered already and wanted to see it through, but the horrible reputation it got at launch definitely lost them sales.

>>719060626
Thats still basically what he is. Granted for Versus Im sure his character arc would be different depending on the plot of that game, but for this game he still acts as a dorky arrogant teen up until you leave for Luna and then bad shit keeps happening to him 24/7. One of his winning battle dialogues is him just wanting to go to a hotel and play video games. He really doesnt even try to be edgy

>>719061001
Obviously.
They could probably still make that money back if they let Nomura re-use the assets there to make a sort of Director's Cut / Versus Edition of XV, especially if he can use the FF7/KH4 devs.

Stranger things have happened.

if XV had gameplay half as good as KH2 it would've still been a great game even with the unfinished story
but having both gameplay and story be unfinished is a bit too much

>>719060901
That's cool, anon. I hope your project goes well! Lost Soul Aside is finally dropping, but it looks more like DMC. I like that, too, though.
I probably could have forgiven the changes in XV if it hadn't launched as a multimedia franchise with a broken, unfinished second half, but I was always disappointed it didn't stay VS XIII.

>>719061156
The gameplay kept getting worse, which is the sad part. The Platinum Demo was way better than what they changed it to afterward, and I can only imagine that it was even better as Vs since Nomura was fresh off the heels of KH2 and using the same guys

>>719055652
A really long time ago he really liked some chick, and gained Jesus powers letting him absorb the sickness out of people into his body. He was Noctis' granddaddy's brother and basically his brother and him were competing to be king of the whole planet but the gods have to choose you. Ardyn started to get AIDS from healing too many people with spaceAIDS and it was getting to be time for the gods to choose a monarch so he went with his babe to some cool ruins to see the crystal(tm) because he was told he was gonna be king but it turned out it was a trap. Noctis Sr. Sr was lying in wait and killed his hot babe and when Ardyn approached to crystal to talk with Bahamut and be like "bro wtf" he was just like "i was just joshing lol u r basically destined 2 sit in tha cuck chair" and gave him super powers so he couldn't die and made him live a fucked up existence on some rock in the ocean for like 2,000 years then the nifelheim empire broke his ass out of ocean rock prison and he enacted his plan to get revenge on you for being his brother's shitty spawn and finally experience the sweet release of death in one swoop.

>>719061091
You know as much as I despise Nomura with what he did with KH if he did that instead of just trying to make his own shitty OC version I can see it working(in fact thats the only way I can see it working cause the fuck is tired at this point in his life)
Like they can still have the Kingdom being invaded as a set piece for gameplay, but just using Car instead of the gang, you dont have to necessarily make it Noctis going through that. And to get a good ending you can just bring up how Death(whatever her name was in Versus) awakening after Ardyn fucked shit up and help Noctis find a true way to beat him.or some shit. If Nomura was smart he could make it work, but he would rather just start from scratch which is really annoying.

>>719061256
Tabata was always a hack when it came to directing combat decisions. Type 0 / Agito had some genuinely kino things in it but the combat was shit. Crisis Core is the only game of his i can think of right now that was actually fun to play.

>>719049191 (OP)
Everything already happened while you pick up bits and pieces of story
It's the Dark Souls of Final Fantasy

>>719061408
Nomura and Kitase both needed someone like Sakaguchi reigning them in. Look at VII, VIII, IX, and X, which was pretty much the golden age of FF. Sakaguchi was still around, still at least editing these guys. I think Nomura and Kitase are both tismo geniuses who can't keep their bullshit in check, and Sakaguchi plays his stories too straight without them. Look at Lost Odyssey, which has side content with writing better than the actual overarching plot. They were a golden team, and it's a shame the Spirits Within destroyed Square.

>>719061256
Are you sure? Nomura hired the Dirge team wholesale to work with the KH2 codirectors. They weren't very good at third person shooter gameplay. Keisuke Matsuhara and (eventually SoP's) Daisuke Inoue was working under Takayoshi Nakazato, and KH2's Kanemori and (eventually Rebirth's) Masanori Sato. And Sato wound up moving to level design. Thanks to Tokyo Team anon for sharing these names.

I was so angry at Ardyn. He kept on baling out the heroes everytime some interesting conflict might happen.
>ravus show up
>hey you fuk my sister
>ARDYYYN
>no no mister ravioli give them back their car
>then we just go?

>>719061408
I think you and many other people overestimate Nomura's role in the company. He has been there for a long time, but he has never been given a board seat, and has only ever been a Director for KH, FF7R and Versus. KH is pretty much quarantined from the rest of SE thanks to Disney's weirdness, and we know what happened with Versus.

We also know he said he was unaware of being the Director of FF7R until just before it was publicly announced and he was essentially put there with no choice. He has given many ideas for stories and scenarios, but is rarely ever credited for writing or planning, 99% of his tenure at Square he has been officially just a character designer.

He obviously does not have the authority to choose his own projects, since he would have never pulled himself off his dream game, or given himself the Director seat of 7R by surprise, so it's unfair to assume he just "chose" to do KH spinoffs for years instead of KH3, or that he "chose" to not do this or that. He officially is only an employee who answers to many other people, and any office politics he may or may not have is blind speculation.

>>719054875
nothing inherently bad about narrating an open world game

>>719049279
FPBP

>>719051924
Yes I did leave the car and even used the chocobo and the offroad version of the car. The game still felt railroaded. Most of the map is linear and the big open areas are only near beginning and early middle of the game. Even then, you'd often see sections of the world that had super terrible paths, like entire sections of the game world that were fenced off in inconvenient areas with few ways to get around them. They were very common around the highways and roads in the game. Not a lot of big side dungeons either which bothered me.

Granted some of the game exploration aspect is supposedly easier in the Royal edition with the flying car or something but I never tried the game with that since I played it before that ever released.

>>719061408
>>719061091
making a drastically different director's cut of an already released game is absurd, you guys have the wildest fantasies

>>719049191 (OP)
I quite enjoyed my time with the game despite the brainless combat and patchy plot. The main four + Cidney were very likeable and the DLCs gave some much needed background. Also Cidney is outrageously hot.

>>719061408
>>719061612
Not to belabor the point but Versus was made as a deliberate reaction against the interactive movie style of gameplay Sakaguchi, Toriyama and Kitase made. He said that recent FF games didn't explore games as virtual worlds and character studies. When I found out that it became apparent Nomura hired people who didn't work for Kitase and Toriyama's respective teams too closely, this only showed that Nomura made Versus to stand against normal 13. And he didn't just not hire people who worked on 7-8-10-13, he hired people who broke off to work on Tactics or FF12 or projects involving Yasumi Matsuno, or more commonly Kazutoyo Maehiro. This was especially true when he got all those staff members who worked on The Last Remnant to work on Versus, then Nomura brought more staff from Akitoshi Kawazu to make his game with him. All three developers were also known for not using the cutscene-battle-move forward game design loop Nomura spent his time in. This began with Masato Yagi and Jun Akiyama who didn't work on FF10 or the 13 series.
>>719061637
Hi lol. Fun fact Inoue himself spent a lot of time on FFCC games when he wasn't helping out as a grunt on Dirge or 13. Matsuhara eventually moved to the 14 team even though if I remember correctly.

>>719061728
Im not assuming bro, he literally said in an interview that he DID have the choice after 3 to make a Verum Rex game, but chose KH4
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/12631-tetsuya-nomura-chose-to-make-kingdom-hearts-iv-over-verum-rex-for-soras-sake
That dumbass dug himself in his own hole

>>719061939
>Versus was Nomura trying to make Vagrant SaGa for anime combat and political commentary autists
Now I understand why Stellafag was so invested in this game. It was practically made for combat system fetishists like her. She said 7R should have the slowdown absent.

>>719061637
I think Dirge gets shit on unfairly. I played it recently and it wasn't bad at all outside of a couple bosses with annoying attacks. Do not get the vitriol it received and still receives, it was a solid 7/10 game and no worse than Crisis Core. About on par with Chaos Legion.

I don't know who all worked on it but you can definitely see the Kingdom Hearts DNA in the graphical style, especially the UI.

>>719061448
>Crisis Core is the only game of his i can think of right now that was actually fun to play.
let me guess, you like slot machines?

>>719054232
Pong took hundreds of years to develop

>>719061939
>Nomura put level design and battle system creation first before story, which was still very dark, heavy and edgy
>Toriyama's story-focused pitch won out for being less complicated and straightforward, familiar to the team making it
That sounds awfully familiar and I'm sure the Sakaguchi fan knows what I'm talking about.

>>719049191 (OP)
Summoning the schizo XV defender? The only retard dumb enough to eat this shit up and lick the ground clean.

>>719062060
As the person he sourced those names from I can assure you that it was deliberate. Nomura sent his KH2 codirectors to supervise its development right down to the level designers.
Holy crap was this a prototype for Versus

>>719062196
Don't speak on things you don't know, newfag.

>>719056514
>>719056727
Yep instead Square Enix decided a shitty online multiplayer mode (Comrades) that takes place during the very unnecessary timeskip was a better use of theor time and money. And said mode got shut down after like 3 years anyways.

>>719062240
>And said mode got shut down after like 3 years anyways.
they made it playable offline after they shut it down tho, you have to give them credit for it

>>719062125
>Sakaguchi said a pitch had too much social commentary and wasn't focused on storytelling and he turned it down
Is that what you're trying to say?

>>719062234
I tell people if they want a darker Kingdom Hearts, DoC is not a bad option. The entire Kalm chapter is like running through Traverse Town with a .44 magnum instead of a keyblade.

>>719062014
>Stellafag
Who now? We already have Barry and the yanderefag.

>>719049191 (OP)
The whole thing is a fucking travesty from the start because they expect you to watch the fucking movie and read the novel and wait for all the fucking DLC so you can understand what the hell is even going on, if you dare to just play the game then they just vomit a bunch of made up RPG terms on you without explaining what the fuck they mean or why they matter and you're saddled with four assholes who hate each other but have to drive somewhere so one of them can fuck some chick as part of some random treaty and there's dogs and a blind fat woman and a car and a hillbilly with a red thong, but then the treaty is off and the king is dead and you have to visit the graves of the old kings to get their weapons but then you accidentally come accross a dyke mine spirit thing and now you have to go get the other spirits but then the buff guy leaves and returns being a total cunt but then the wedding is back on for some reason but then the water spirit destroys not-Venice and kills the blond chick but then the prissy guy is blind and the bitchy buff guy constantly bitches you out for it but then you're on a train to some fucking tundra but then the gay guy falls off the train and when he returns he hates you for some reason but then the ice bitch in the ice city freezes you for ten years but then you're thawed out and drive back to the starting city to fight some random vagrant who was tossing coins at people in some resort like one hour into the plot and then you die and then you're turned into a throne alongside your ten year dead not-wife.
Without all the extra context from the other shit the game is an unintelligible clusterfuck and the most enjoyable part of it is when you go to some unimportant part of the map and you get transported to a better game with a cute girl and a bunch of small cute aliens.

Is this any good if I watch it with retard brain like with Advent Children?

>>719050234
We could have extreme kino and revival of FF. Instead, it's just J-pop boyband on a tour. It's nowhere near what Versus was supposed to be, I guess it fell victim to the very ambition it was meant to be created with. The XV director came in, salvaged whatever assets there were and turned it into a retard selfie simulator with gay undertones.

>>719062240
To be fair, Comrades is probably better than the whole rest of the game. Backporting features from that into the main game would be worth a re-release alone.

>>719062312
>>719062234
Do you two really think Prompto controlling like Vincent would have saved Versus?

>>719062398
Do you really not know how to read?

>>719058823
Anon your evidence that it is all animated is his word. You then immediately said his word cannot be trusted. Are you following here? It does not make sense.

>>719062382
what features? it's the same shit

>>719061939
>Versus was Nomura working with the Kawazu and Matsuno team's young guns on a new vision of Final Fantasy
We were robbed again.
>>719062125
>>719062283
That was the first time we were robbed but I'm sure someone will post the writeups to explain why.

>>719061874
Bro its not that far fetched of an idea to find a way to incorporate your ideas into a narrative.
Like here, you wanna incorporate Stella even though Noctis is canonically with Luna? Make Stella the love interest of Nocts dad and have small glimpses of all the bullshit his father had to go through. As much as people whine about not getting the OG Noct no one cares about OG Nocts dad, fuck around with him for a bit and have him get into shit that leads to the events of the first game. Bringing in the God of Death, have her not be involved through the main story cause she feels a gods role isnt to be involved in earthly matters anymore, she finds out the bullshit that Bahamut gets to and gets pissed, and helps adult Noctis. You can incorporate the OG ideas into the existing narrative, trust me, Ive thought about this for years, and believe me something like that at least WAAAAAY less contrived then that fucking Dawn of The Future. Ive thought about this for years anon dont make me write my fanfic on here

>>719054714
Even VII only took 3 years to release, ffxv was in development hell and was shat out because square wanted to recoup as much of the wasted dev time as possible

>>719062376
>get druk
>time to advance the children

>>719062376
it's actually not that bad as a movie, but it should have never existed, all of that should have been in the game

>>719062496
>Bro its not that far fetched of an idea
it's pretty far fetched, hence why something like this (some sort of dlc of a game that drastically alters major plot points) never happened in the history of gaming

>>719062496
>As much as people whine about not getting the OG Noct no one cares about OG Nocts dad
Man, I do. I thought we were getting the Fantasy Godfather

>>719060653
Except you clearly see him showing joy when during the fishing quest, when he's setting up camp, in the cutscenes before all the serious shit happens. Just because a character doesn't act like a shounen lead on a sugar rush doesn't mean that the character is mopey.

>>719062376
Just skip it bro, you dont need it. Half the appeal of XV is that its not that complicated you dont need to see this shit. When I play this game and see the cutscenes from this movie that got patched in I get pissed

>>719062348
TRVTHKE

>>719061728
You're correct. In fact, Nomura had his KH2 devs taken away from him to work on 13, 14 1.0, then 13-2 and 14 ARR at the same time. In 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 he only had 3 to 6 months in Tokyo each year but Komoto and Toriyama needed people each year. All he could do was make spinoffs in Osaka to make the wait for KH3 less heavy and by the time 2012 rolled around it was clear that he wasn't a priority to the company, which is why they removed him.

And yet they were the very first team to create game design in fully 3D environments. Not 3D rendered hallways like FFX or isometric like in Vagrant Story (though Nomura definitely looked to that one). He could've joined his teachers who said that 3D maps were the way to go but they were in a mess of their own so.

>>719062609
>hence why something like this (some sort of dlc of a game that drastically alters major plot points) never happened in the history of gaming
How is this different from the DLC that was already released for XV? It added tons of story in the MIDDLE of the game, new cutscenes that changed the context of the story, etc. The final DLC was supposed to be a completely different ending as well, which had to be released as a book instead.

They kind of did this with Deus Ex HR around that same time, too

It's done with movies all the time, I don't see why a Director's Cut of a game is so alien to you.

>>719062614
They had something precious with the business suit magic kingdom, they had a style.

>>719062609
Not as far fetched as trying to reboot your canned game into a new IP from the ground fucking up come on anon if you wanna see Nomras wild fucking ride then lets get fucking wild

>>719062751
>How is this different from the DLC that was already released for XV? It added tons of story in the MIDDLE of the game, new cutscenes that changed the context of the story, etc. The final DLC was supposed to be a completely different ending as well, which had to be released as a book instead.
it's different because it didn't directly change elements of the game like you're asking
indirectly altering the meaning of an event with a dlc adding more context is not the same as literally directly altering the main game

>>719062378
>Instead, it's just J-pop boyband on a tour.
Why do you faggots keep forgetting that the Jpop boyband bullshit was Nomura's idea? The shit was always going to be a camping trip.

>>719049959
bad writing and execution often filter me, yes

>>719062751
Nomura already has his KH2 battle planners in one place. All he's missing is Kanemori and level design director Takeshi Endo who worked with the guy who first led Remake's level design on Versus, Kazuhiro Kataoka (who is also a Matsuno/XII and Kawazu/TLR dev), and or course Masanosi Sato who again worked with Nomura excusively even today.

The real problem is Tatsuya Kando, who made himself the fall guy for Missing Link. And the only person who can replace him made himself head of Square Enix human resources because Forspoken did it to him for fuck's sake.

>>719062758
It had what I believe the kids call Aura

>>719062751
FFXV already received a special edition. How many more times should they re release the game?

>>719062832
>making a new game
that actually sounds a lot more reasonable and realistic

>>719062874
It wouldn't do well with the kids who can't even engage with plot based media or complex gameplay systems. XV was successful because it was retooled to pander to the Fortnite crowd, or so Stellafag Writeup Side Black said.

You can imagine that this pissed Nomura off. He makes games for autists such as himself and Stellafag but now they're in short supply.

>>719062874
>skinny faggot twink King
>soul

>>719062886
Until they get it fucking right.

>>719062870
Who is Kanemori and Tatsuya Kando?

>>719062894
It aint getting made bro, after all the shit Square put him through hes fucking tired and he cant fucking hide it anymore, he doesnt have it in him anymore man. At least in my scenario he has assets on stand by ready to fucking use

>>719062951
Having come from the last thread, who is Stellafag and what the fuck are all these writeups that contain esoteric knowledge on Nomura and Versus 13?

>>719049191 (OP)
Today i will remind all of you

>>719063039
Deep Versus lore. If this thread is still up in the morning i will post them if no one else did.

>>719063028
He even has a team. They made a game with a similar premise to Versus XIII, which was a Final Fantasy based on social issues and political commentary. It only sold like 5 million since it release but it's likely good enough for Nomura.

It's also made by a combination of KH2 and Ivalice devs, much like Versus XIII. A SaGa dev is directing too.

>>719050234
Nomura couldnt get anywhere with the Mafia FF theme that was popular in Anime at the time this was announced so Tabata turned it into a gay on railes roadtrip with a romance that occurs off screen and ends with shit.

>>719062060
>I think Dirge gets shit on unfairly.
It was, I been the soul defender for Dirge since the day it came out and absolutely loved it enough to 100% it on multiple playthroughs. Even gave the copy to my friends to borrow and they loved it too but everyone online just kept comparing it to DMC which was huge at the time and didn't want to let the game be its own thing.

The best way to fill the hole left by Vs13 is watching X/1999

>>719054827
I laffed so hard when the game tried to make her somehow relevant to the plot inspite of how little screen time she has.

not killing myself until Nomura writes a book about Versus XIII in retirement

>>719063485
>X/1999
never heard of it but the manga has better ratings, might read out of curiosity

>>719063485
Someone post the list of media Stellafag also likes. X/1999 and Gasaraki are at the top.

>>719062376
The CGI in this movie had no reason being as good as it was. I still couldn't believe they pushed this out in as little as 2-3 years. If anything, its a decent action flick. The magic system used in the movie looks way cooler than what was in game.

>>719059525
Male is blonde and tan, female is crying. What are they trying to teach me?

>>719056686
Kek fpbp

Launchfag here, is the game significantly improved now even without the DLCs? Does magic not suck so much ass? Can I cycle through characters in regular combat scenarios now? If the current version of the game was a 1.0, what number would you give the launch version?

>>719062378
>Instead, it's just J-pop boyband on a tour.
Nomura was going to turn it into a fucking musical.

>>719062874
Right Promtto only gets a plus because he doesn't look like Justine Biber

>>719060790
Nobody should want anything KH.

>>719057612
Retard devs were so busy flexing 3D tech that they forgot the purpose of a portrait. 2D portraits will forever be superior
even a cheap ass game like Oninaki makes me smile whenever i see their pretty 2D portraits

>>719063485
Please explain. What's X/1999 and why does it resemble what Nomura had in mind for Versus

>>719062501
3 years was 10 years of dev time in the 90s and early 00s, ever since then we've gotten dev time inflation.

>>719062376
its just a long ass commercial for the main game. protag is doomed from the start and I dont even remember if he was mentioned in the game.

>>719063839
1-2 years was standard
and the games were better too
modern devs could never

>>719062378
the JPOP faggotry was there day1 anon

>>719062376
Watch the movie and count seconds for how long each scene lasts before cut, its a nice game to show how fucking retarded the movie feels

>>719063717
Magic sucks ass for Noct but the way Ignis implements it in his combat is nice, you can cycle through buddies for combat but you have to unlock them in the skill tree(doesnt cost much AP), they buffed Noct in the shitty hallway section and you can also cycle between that shitty section to the Ignis and Gladio section during rest points, and you get the Regalia Type D which is the free roam car, plus general tweaks.
Id say those free improvements makes the game a solid 8/10, I bought the royal edition recently after selling my old copy but most of my 150+ trek of the game was fucking around in the base game, the DLC's were fun too but not part of that 150+ run, Im not including that. The only thing you miss out on that you need to pay for is the expanded Insomnia map for the final dungeon assuming your first purchase was the launch PS4 game and not the Royal or Windows Edition, but I'd still give the base game an 8/10 with the free improvements

>>719062874
the former was still try hard and lame. Nomura had all the time in the world to spin his wheels. Hell he couldve just stolen ideas from other Mafia anime and released the game.

>>719063958
Hes hanging from the ceiling when Ardyn is in the throne room

>>719058648
and the rest of the DLC was scrapped so story unfinished, no reason to play this game

>>719064451
He didn't have all the time in the world if he had no team to work. Read >>719062704

>>719062990
kanemori - battle planner
kando - animation director

>>719062378
Nomura was responsible for the JPOP influences thoughbeit. Tabata was tasked with putting together a game from scraps and having to oversee the creation of an engine that couls run it. Not an enviable situation

Xv should have been 3 games: first game is about road tripping with the bros collecting the royal arms + altissia and the fialed wedding. Second game should have been smaller contained open zones where you are on the run from the empire, you meet allies and basically go from road tripping simulator to rebellion simulator. Game takes place in the train continent, tenebrae and the empire continent. Aranea joins the group. It would be a more linear game. By the time you get to the Capital of the empire, you are actually fighting with them to protect civilians. You need to get to the cristal to figure out what's wrong. Cristal absorbs noctis and the game ends.
Thrid game should have been the time skip, you need to road trip back home but the trip is brutal. You revisit known locations, defeat monsters, and make it back to the capital. Demon Hunter Iris joins the group.

Gameplay wise, I think only Noctis should be playable. Get rid of the automatic dodge, give ennemies better telegraphing, and allow to use more than one attack for the other characters. Instead of having a fixed moveset per weapon type, each weapon should be heavily expanded upon, with much expanded moveset like Nioh. Weapon switching should be encouraged, by having different attacks play when you switch from one weapon type to the other. The idea is to have the player make his own moveset, maybe not to the level of godhand since weapons still have a default attack string, but somewhere close. In terms of inputs, each action buton would be mapped to a weapon, you dodge with L2, you issue commands by holding R2 and using the d-pad, you warp strike L1 and you jump with R1. Then you add special attacks that use royal arms and that you can only use with a meter.

>>719062870
I wonder how flopspoken would have been without the influence of westerners. The premise doesn't sound half bad

>>719064635
Fuck

>>719063247
Does anyone know what game this guy is talking about? Now I'm interested

Was Gentiana the best girl for XV?

>>719064928
Best feet maybe

>>719064415
Thanks anon. I still have the original PS4 release but might get Royal on Steam when it goes on sale.

>started back in 2006
This whole blunder should be a documentary. Just when you think you can't top a blunder like this but the same company does it again with Final Fantasy 7 Re:Make.

>>719064415
Ignis feels so much better to play. If Noctis got his demo movement back the game would easily be my favorite FF just for how fun a level 1 playthrough is

>>719064783
>Flopspoken

More like Buckbroken

>>719065262
The Ignis fight with Noctis for his DLC is one of the best battles out of the entire game, its a real spacing game to bait Noctis to use his MP and then go ham on him and getting use out of those i-frames with your special attacks, only boss in the game that involves the terrain surrounding you too except for that first Aranea fight but you gotta get lucky to land on certain environment and make cool anime shit happen with her

>>719065165
Both XV and Remake/Stilbirth have the same kind of rabid trannoidal fans who explode at any sort of criticism of their beloved moviegames.
That's quite a success.

>>719065165
>>719065856
And Nomura knew he didn't want to make that. That's why Kitase rejected his game in the same way Sakaguchi approved his pitch instead of Takahashi's and that's the original sin of Final Fantasy to this day.

>>719065165
the worst part is that all the FNC games have redeeming qualities and wasted potential
it wouldn't be as annoying if they were just garbage
maybe making 3 games at once wasn't the move

>>719064873
Anon, he's insinuating that FFXVI was similar to Versus XIII deeper than the surface level.

Reminder that next year is XV's 10th anniversary, and they recently announced a bunch of random Noctis merchandise out of nowhere. It’s likely the game will get some kind of next gen re-release with extra content but I’m keeping my expectations low just to be safe.

>>719066168
oh looks like its shit. oops

>>719066168
It is though, what are you smoking? FFXVI was the perfect market test for an edgy FF that had things to say about the modern world. With Nomura's character designs and story it would sell millions.

>>719066218
I hope for a Noctis Ropes Himself DLC, a psychological thriller where we see the world through his eyes as he becomes more and more hopeless, his mates turning against him, so he puts them down like rabid dogs. Finally, his Fantasy is shattered once and for all. He becomes more and more deranged, taking drugs to dull the pain while he skins alive everyone and everything in his path. In the end, he realizes there's only one way to atone for his sins...

>>719066860
>FFXVI was the perfect market test for an edgy FF that had things to say about the modern world
They already did that with Type-0 and that game makes XVI feel like a saturday morning cartoon in comparison. At the end of the day, XVI is just medieval Naruto with very shitty combat. Everything that you call 'edgy' about it is laughable.

>>719066860
>With Nomura's character designs and story it would sell millions

vomits

>>719066218
I really doubt it. The game would really benefit from a release with the current gen. The chances of that happening are 0%. The people with experience on that engine are gone.

>>719049279
FPBP

>>719058648
sounds fun. i might actually play it now.

>>719067187
>The people with experience on that engine are gone
That's false. Tabata did take a few key people with him when he left but most of the Luminous team is still at Square. They were just separated and merged with BD3, but SE could still revisit XV if they really wanted to.

>>719067187
Luminous productions got absorbed into cbu II, but they may as well just invest fully into UE5 at this point because it's easier to use.

It’s made by Japanese trannies

>>719067705
Engines are very important and I wouldn't want this game to go through the Unreal grinder. The lighting and particle systems are very unique. Forspoken looks great. That and I don't think 16 didn't sell well enough for them to try and remake a game like 15.

>>719067705
Nah fuck that dude. The last update we were gonna get before Tabata left was a fucking editor for making mods. That update alonevwould make FF15 a potential playground for some fun shit to be made, potentially losing that for a switch in engine feels unnecessary.

>>719067106
>Type-0
Damn, that game is so underrated.
I want to fuck Deuce.

>>719067657
>SE could still revisit XV if they really wanted to

NO

>>719068331
Implying you wouldn’t fuck them all. Anyway, Type-0 was probably the last FF game where girls wore panties and had scenes of kids dying on the battlefield. SE can’t make games like that anymore now that they’ve gone full woke.

>>719068751
Consider suicide

>>719068751
Only Deuce, Cinque, Rem and Queen for me.

>>719066897
So just Versus XIII?

>>719066897
sounds like the next viral gamemaker/rpgmaker darling

>>719069475
Seriously. That's actually what Nomura wanted to portray. Noctis would lose each of his friends and the only person who would camp with him was Ignis. Ravus dies, Gladio dies to atone for the sins of his father who tried to take the throne, Prompto activates his spy programming or something and Noctis and Stella fight.

>>719068219
I'll never forgive them for killing that. They even showed a golf minigame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSFf-WnYAIM

>>719069539
I thought the game had enough mods as it is

>>719069539
> we cant let the paypigs have access to modding tools, what if they end up making the next viral game genre or PORN games with our characters

probably got stopped right out of the gate

>>719069521
and i thought the game was emo AF already. damn that is some seriously small dick pity party bullshit from that Nomura faggot

>>719062234
I always thought 'The World that never was" and KH1 teaser Roxas was somewhat of a prototype of what Nomura wanted to do with Versus XIII, Noctis, and Insomina

>>719069521
That explains why Stellafag compared Versus to higu and seacats. The camp was a facade to show his inner self after all that violence. I heard somewhere that Jack Garland was the personality Nomura intended for Noctis. Still an offbeat weirdo but angry at almost literally everything.

>>719070217
Anon. Forgive me, I still don't know who Stellafag is.

>>719066105
>>719062283
>>719062125
Are you anons insisting Xenogears was an VII candidate? Like XV being a XIII candidate rejected by the boss?

>>719070527
Yes and yes. Now you know why Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya SaGa are the two people in the industry Nomura will never say no to. They raised him like a work mom and dad (he was the youngest at the company at one point).

>>719049191 (OP)
Most likely answer, the game was supposed to be 400h long but they didnt let them make it 400h long (logically)

>>719070527
Before some autist concern trolls further, I want sauce.

>>719064415
>Magic sucks ass for Noc
I don't get this, in my most recent playthrough most of my crafted magic was doing 9999 per hit and they were triplecasts too.
If I whipped out a magic bomb it just immediately ended most non-boss encounters.

>>719049191 (OP)
I know people and especially /v/ loves to shit on this game, but Im replaying it right now and its actually fun as fuck and I genuinely like the boyband. Thats why its pissing me off even more that the game got fucked over to hard by its developement hell it went through. Im pretty fucking sure it could have been one of the best FF games if it actually turned out like they originally planned to. What also pisses me off is how HARD they fumbled Ardyn. Dude has a really interesting backstory and nothing of it ended up in the maingame. He is easily one of the best FF villains if it ACTUALLY WOULD BE PART OF THE FUCKING GAME. But no, instead to learn about him you have to play his DLC and read a wall of text on WIkipedia. In the maingame he just was kinda there and you had to fight him at the end. Wow. Why would anyone care about him when he had like 5 minutes of screentime. Its crazy how much potential they threw out of the window. This game is a prime example of terrible decisions all over the place.

>>719069669
It does have a lot of mods, but it's pretty much just character or weapon skins and that's it.
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=637650
If the modding tool wasn't canned it would have presumably blown the game wide open and this page would look vastly different

All of Tabata's games are shit
Every single one
It's amazing

>>719075624
Crisis core was alright. What has even done after getting his ass fired for the FFXV disaster?

>>719075365
Ardyn was my favorite villain. He did nothing wrong.
He was doing his job.

>>719075891
>He did nothing wrong
Just like Stellafag

>>719075365
The problem with the game is that it's two visions conflicting with each other.
Tabata clearly wanted to make the road trip game where you drive around a bunch of vaguely America countryside-esque locales doing tourist-like activities, which is commendable and a fun enough part of the game, but because they were making this on top of Versus XIII's corpse they also had to incorporate a lot of the grandiose shit that game promised in its marketing and the two really conflict with each other.
The road trip aspect is cool but severely lacking in any kind of stakes or narrative momentum, fighting Titan is really the only big narrative moment you get in the first 20 or so odd hours of play, otherwise you're limited to hunting down frogs, fishing and collecting some dog tags on the ground, maybe once in a while you might get a fun hunt to do but Behemoth is basically the only time one of these isn't just hurdling towards a waypoint marked on your map where you fight a generic monster.
Meanwhile once you're in Altissia and subsequently on the train and the game starts trying to deliver on the Versus XIII bullshots it's clear that they didn't have the resources to fully commit to that kind of setpiece heavy design, likely due to having to develop the open world so much, so they all come off as half-hearted and just stacked on top of each other with no meaningful downtime or build up between them.
There's like two good games buried here, one where you explore a slowly expanding open world over the course of the entire story with appropriate peaks and valleys in the gameplay and narrative, focusing on the relationship of the party as they're put in wacky fantasy scenarios, and one that's a more linear affair more focused on big setpiece moments and a heady political story about Noctis's ascension to the throne.

>>719076286
Look how much mental gymnastics are required just to not call the problem by its name - the game's a dumpster fire.

>>719058073
Yes about 3months ago. Goddamn, its a shame as the game fucking looks amazing and the set pieces are incredible but they are not used for anything.

>>719075775
Past: "Pegasus Dream Tour" a mobile Paralympics game that got cancelled after half a year.
Present: Developed "Miland" in collaboration w/ Mitsubishi, you can buy NFTs of their vehicles. Picrel.
Future: "Ryugukoku" some Metaverse thing in collaboration with multiple Japanese companies. Mitsubishi is involved so I assume the aforementioned NFTs will be reusable in this. Picrel.

Unknown: "Project JEWEL". The one thing that held promise for being an actual video game worth a damn, as of last month the company that was funding it made a public announcement to say that development has been halted as Tabata's company hasn't provided a response to the revisions they have requested. In the same statement they have also said they are considering what to do with the current assets assuming they don't hear back soon.
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/development-of-hajime-tabatas-new-aaa-rpg-jewel-formerly-shallah-temporarily-halted-by-quantum-games/

>Noctis! The evil Empire sacked our home, killed your father and threatens to take over the world!
>Anyway let's have a fun bro trip.

The game is fundamentally broken on a conceptual level.

>>719076903
Damn, he must cry himself into sleep every night. From directing cool as fuck games of a huge ass franchise to fucking mobile games and metaverse slop no one every heard about.

>>719077130
You didn't even play it

>>719077130
Play the game.

>>719063754
>2025
>still making le Justin BEAVER jokes xD
holy shit lmao

>>719054827
>>719063496
>Sorry Noctis, Luna is dead
>Who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_IlWwhJcE

>>719060671
Why do you think the time jannies were a thing in that? Ever since he was booted out, Nomura has been pretty angry at the franchise and has been acting his revenge by his own admission:
>mentions in interviews that he's channeling his anger into his work with no elaboration
>keeps finding excuses to not finish in time artwork for Dissidia NT and skips its streams, painting an aura of doom that won't help the game's popularity
>doesn't include FF characters in KHIII at launch and makes up poor excuses to justify that, has to capitulate for the DLC
>possibly suggested the canning of the DLCs for XV so the Luminous studio could work on something else (which we know turned out of to be Forespoken, which killed the team and had its members being absorbed into the VIIR ones), Tabata quitting being a response to that
>makes the narrative in VII Remake overly convoluted with implications and makes a caricature of entitled fans of the original game that need to be defeated for the characters to experience freedom
>personally suggests the character of Kubo for NEO TWEWY and makes him a caricature of Tabata with a story arc that parallels what happened to VXIII/XV and how Nomura percieved it happened
>creates Stranger of Paradise, a story that behind the fun insanity of Jack is meant to erode the mythos of the franchise in almost all its aspects
>raises no objection to give carte blanche to YoshiP in turning the next mainline chapter, XVI, into a Snoy cinematic actionfest with very little RPG elements

I am dead convinced Nomura hates Final Fantasy deeply at this point and his statement of retiring is because he wants the ship to sink badly.

>>719075527
I honestly prefer that they fix the game officially rather than release mod tools that turn it into Garry's Mod.

>>719075365
Most people don't hate it that much, it got potential but it's sad to see how it got done.
Like how they modeled not-Venise just for barely the players to barely spend an hour there (before it got recycled in one of the dlc).

cause is nippon

>>719049191 (OP)
Was it worth the boatloads of marketing?

>>719081119
>so the Luminous studio could work on something else (which we know turned out of to be Forespoken, which killed the team
It will never not be funny that the game where they tried to pander to western """""""gamers"""""" with a female POC maincharacter killed an entire studio.

>>719050234
Anyone playing it can see it's obviously like 3 betas hastily ducktaped together. Especially with shit like introducing a gardening mechanic literally right before the game leaves the open world for a tight funnel post time jump.

Ah, the kind of thread that attract Barry.

>>719081612
That’s not the only thing that feels like the game was ducttaped together. Even the art direction feels like it was made by different people. For example, Insomnia was supposed to be based on Tokyo and has modern cars and buildings, but outside the city, it looks like a completely different country stuck in the Western ’90s. No one uses modern cars or smartphones, and even the currency is different. How does that make any sense from a real world logic perspective?

>>719081449
Why do JP companies still pander to the West?

>>719049279
Based.

>>719062376
Luna was cute in this at least.

>>719074441
>If I whipped out a magic bomb
That's what sucks about it, it's not magic, it's colored grenades

>>719063717
Magic is overpowered so I made sure to use it constantly.

>>719081119
>personally suggests the character of Kubo for NEO TWEWY and makes him a caricature of Tabata with a story arc that parallels what happened to VXIII/XV and how Nomura percieved it happened
I need to read up on what happens with this character because this sounds wild

>>719082457
It's a completly different country, far away but the game doesn't show that well.

>>719054827
LazyProcrastinator's Luna killed millions

>>719082820
Why does /v/ have such a big fascination with vague concepts that don't matter at all rather than actual gameplay mechanics

>>719083143
I don't know, why do you make vague posts insinuating something about the post you're quoting rather than address it directly? Are you a woman?

>>719082874
That's it, for full context, I'm posting the Stellafag writeups. It gives context to exactly what he experienced, and I'll post Nomura's endgame (a dive into his emotional state, and why he made Stranger of Paradise).

Because a bunch of Xenofags are in the thread I'm also posting the comparisons to Xenoblade 3 and NEO TWEWY too. The Tokyo team research's already covered so I might not post that one unless anyone wants to see. But it's not that much of a priority compared to the rest.

>>719083457
>TL;DR for Stellafag Writeup, Side Green (Part 1)
>The green image AKA Stellafag writeup Part 1 (picrel) talks about the events in Square Enix that caused Versus XIII to turn into XV. Crystal Tools and mismanagement turned XIII and XIV raging dumpster fires that almost killed the company under Wada, forcing the Versus team to be split across any and all Crystal Tools games to make development easier.

>It mentions the Crystal Tools graphics engine and how it affected development. It also talks about how trying to get mass-market appeal affected gameplay (changing from a more complex KH2 like battle system to the simpler one we see in FFXV).

>Nomura's team was constantly taken away to finish XIII, then XIV and then help again with ARR. His game was never in constant development like some morons think it was, because more than half of the time he didnt even have a team. With no team or deadline he thought of new ideas like any director would in that time to keep the ball rolling. Square restructured like 3 times during that period and in an effort to fast track production; they told Nomura to start working on both Kingdom hearts 3 and FF7 Remake. All the production work done thus far was given to Tabata with Nomura overseeing the transfer. Tabata who unfortunately was a layman of a director and a mediocre one at that.

>Tokyo Team anon's comments
>I'm surprised Stellafag didn't pick up on this but other KH2FM/Versus team devs worked on XIV or under Yoshi P during Endwalker apart from Ohdachi and how many other KH2FM devs that weren't former FFXI team members also worked on Parasite Eve 2 when all of them were known as Square's Osaka Team. Yes, even the guy who (note, no longer) works at DeNA for Pokémon Masters after wasting his battle design talent in XV after KH2FM and early Versus is from Osaka, everyone's former favorite battle director Yuichi Kanemori

>>719083576
Oh, there he is

>>719083576
>TL;DR for Stellafag Writeup, Side Black (Part 2)
>The black image AKA Stellafag writeup Part 2 talks about why changes were made to pander/appeal to the Western (North US American) market and how they ensured success and the longevity of the FF brand along with how Nomura felt about these changes.

>Nomura was incredibly pissed that the original, dark and chuuni as fuck Versus 13 was dumped for making a product with mass market appeal thanks to changing sensibilities in the western market, as such, he included links to the corporate politics that led to it in Kingdom Hearts 3 via Verum Rex, an in-universe video game. Stellafag speculates the next game will be Verum Rex and it'll be a retelling of how the internal corporate politics of square that led to the downfall of his baby (Versus).

>Stellafag says that Versus was decringed into 15 to save the Final Fantasy brand at the cost of removing everything Nomura wanted to put in it in terms of story and gameplay like Kingdom Hearts combat and all the dark shit you saw in 2000s anime which became cringe in 2010 so it could sell outside of Japan and save the Final Fantasy brand. It made Japanese games semi okay because it saved Square financially but Forspoken is now the fruit of Nomura's pain and suffering.

>13 turned off a lot of consumers, it was expected to be a BIG success and a lot of money went into the trilogy. Nomura wanted Versus to be a more "serious" story about contemporary modern day problems [compare: 12, Vagrant Story, 14, 16, Code Geass, Gundam, Death Note] but SE felt this was too risky, would cut out certain markets like China and risk being another failure. XV was made readily appealing to FFags and fans in general and overall separated itself from 13. But sales weren't good enough and consumers didn't stick around while long time fans felt the game was lacking. Elements of Versus got recycled into KH3 and Nomura took cancellation of the project hard.

>>719083576
>What is fact and what is fiction? (Assorted side comments)
>Stellafag is trying to explain why Versus XIII was changed to FFXV. They believe it was to get more widespread appeal, especially from western gamers that were used to playing games with easy to digest writing. They also talk about how Nomura being taken off of Versus XIII is similar to Takahashi and Saga being taken off of Xenosaga 2.

>Was the Xenosaga/Xenogears comparison a necessary part of it anon?
>I think it helps to make a comparison to another creator being taken off a project they've put a lot of time and thought into. Personally I think he Nomura took the situation too seriously. It's certainly hard when something you're passionate about gets taken away from you, but this is an industry geared towards selling products primarily. And unless you're the boss you don't get to decide what the company sells.

>There was one guy named [GameFAQs user] Yuriev/AC [who] wrote the famous Xenosaga/Xenogears Study Guide (Blogspot archive) that (noted Xeno fan) Stellafag pretty obviously [took] inspiration from. That said Yuriev was set to throw Soraya Saga under the bus when she and Takahashi got the boot for how she reacted after Xenosaga got Tabata'd. That's probably why Stellafag just won't shame Tabata for what he did when Nomura and his vision for Versus XIII was dropped for XV.

>In the earlier days of Kingdom Hearts Nomura was actually able to deliver a vision based on those trailers. Even birth by sleep tied things together as well. Whatever you think of Nomura's ideas and execution, it's only FFXV that turned into some one dimensional dull crap about kings with a completely botched aesthetic. [Because FFXIII made anime plotlines cringe and in the case of XIV, gameplay in Japanese games was rejected]

>"Oops our baby fucked up. Time to cannibalize this asshole's pet project to save our baby."
> - ex-CEO Yoichi Wada and ex-CFO turned now-ex-CEO Yosuke Matsuda

>>719083716
>>719070527
More on Nomura and Xeno (pic related)
>Xenogears Perfect Works is to Takahashi and Soraya as Versus XIII is to their eldest son (loljk but you all know what I mean) Nomura. Takahashi said Xenoblade 2 was supposed to show "if you just change your thinking a bit, there's such a colorful world out there." This was to his kids, I'm sure, but I also wonder if he was also trying to cheer up his eldest son after his Square mismanagement took away his project (kek). People theorize this is why Verum Rex exists in KH3.

>The Xenogears and Xenosaga comparison exists in Stellafag Writeup, Side Black because Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga are the most similar to Tetsuya Nomura in style among other former and current Square developers. Takahashi and Soraya are themselves two of Nomura's closest friends which is why Nomura said yes to working on Xenoblade 2. ... and Stellafag using it helps us understand what Nomura felt when he was taken off the project.

>Takahashi had the lowest self-esteem of his life and Soraya lapsed into suicide ideations that started with an unrelated incident after online harassment [faulted] her for being fired from her project along with her husband, one they co-created. Nomura was depressed enough to buy 2 cats after he was removed from Versus 13 but he was still furious enough for his anger to explode when Square made him change engines for KH3's development from Luminous to Unreal Engine 4.

>Years have gone by, and you're right anon they're a lot happier now. In fact Takahashi seems to have done some self-reflection on his part. I don't have the specifics down since I never played it but he uses the Zohar and various reflections on creating virtual worlds as the Architect in the ending of Xenoblade 2. It's likely Nomura played Xenoblade 2 and then was so moved by the ending the Versus Epic came back within him or maybe Takahashi was speaking to Nomura through the game since he knows exactly what his fellow Tetsuya felt.

>>719083716
>They also talk about how Nomura being taken off of Versus XIII is similar to Takahashi and Saga being taken off of Xenosaga 2.
Being Tetsuya (and his wife) is suffering.

>>719061647
Ardyn was great. The entire game was he trolling you because at the end, he got what he wanted.

>>719063596
Media Stellafag also likes:
>Kamen Rider Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Gaim
>X1999
>Gasaraki
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica
>Psycho-Pass
>Code Geass
>Death Note
>Futurama
>Gundam 00
>Xenogears, Xenoblade X
>Sonic Adventure 2 (and probably 1, Stellafag loves Sonic games)
>Sonic X Shadow Generations
>Phantasy Star Online 2
>TWEWY (the game that made him admire Nomura)
>NEO TWEWY
>Fire Emblem Thracia 776
>Vagrant Story
>FFT
>FFV
>FFVI
>FFXII
>FFXIV
>FFVII and VIIR and Rebirth (he mods out the Tactical Mode slowdown)
>Stranger of Paradise
>FFXVI
>The Last Remnant
>Legend of Mana
>Bravely Default OG 3DS

He wants to play:
>Unlimited Saga
>KH CoM, KH2 and after
>Umineko
>Higurashi
>Shenmue
>FFVIII, FFIX, and FFXI

His favorite creators:
>CLAMP
>Soraya SaGa
>Tetsuya Takahashi
>Tetsuya Nomura
>Kunihiko Tanaka
>Tomomi Kobayashi
>Masato Kato
>Yaeko Sato
>Tomoco Kanemaki
>Sachie Hirano
>Kazutoyo Maehiro
>Hiroshi Takai
>Jun Akiyama
>Akitoshi Kawazu
>Gen Urobuchi
>Toshiki Inoue

>He still hasn't played any KH game past CoM but liked KH1)

>>719084235
He's only played two Nomura games and I don't count the VII remake project. Why is Stellafag like this?

>>719049191 (OP)
It was really disjointed and I didn't enjoy it. I finished it in 13 hours or so, the side content wasn't engaging. I've heard it's basically a different game now it's had 2 years of patching but there's nothing in the game's story or presentation that's drawing me to give it a second chance.

>>719054930
>Divides the fanbase right down the middle to this day
>Inarguable

>>719077130
The first chapter was okay I thought but yeah the whole invasion thing felt half baked when you look at what they were trying to do with the world/camping. Maybe they should have kept the invasion back until a later chapter.

>>719082874
Context of the bigger picture: the world of TWEWY (which is strongly implied to be part of the KH universe) is ruled by higher beings refered to as Angels, who use lesser higher being called Reapers to enact battle royale-style games on the planet for the sake of scientific study (for their prospective, things like death of a being is just data being transferred from one plane of existence to another like in a computer; if this plot point sounds familiar, the Lufenians from SoP are loosely inspired by this). Humans with sufficient determination and ambition can become Reapers and even Angels on the long run, but it's not an easy process.
Worth noting also that the higher beings normally don't give a shit about humanity at all, viewing them like microbes for their testings.
By the time of NEO the Angels due to shenanigans have employed one of their kind, Kubo, to erase a portion of Tokyo, Shinjuku. Kubo decided to do so by infiltrating the local Reaper group with a cover, Grima Wormtongues his way into them and convince them to fuck everything. (1/2)

>>719083241
If you're really this dumb it's no wonder you have such a retarded way of evaluating game mechanics.
Why does it matter if it's actual magic or magic bombs? Would that actually change anything about how you play the game if Noctis used regular magic in the lore of the game?
No, it wouldn't, so stop being a retard that complains about shit that doesn't matter.

>>719085075
Since that apparently was successful enough, the Angels send him to do the same to Shibuya, which in fact hijacks the existing local Reaper game; since he has more carte blanche, Kubo turns the thing into a complete mess and by the end of the game, both the protagonists and the Reapers team-up to beat his ass. However, they can't do jack and just when it looks like Kubo has achieved complete victory, the higher beings decide he overstepped things and erase him completely from existence before he can finish his work, with the protagonists having to clean his mess afterward.
While in broad strokes, the parallels can be easily seen with Tabata working on Before Crisis, Crisis Core, The 3rd Birhday and Type-0, being assigned to VXIII turning it into XV, the original dev believing it's a distortion of the original intent but unable to stop him, and his sudden stop and departure from Square before the DLCs of XV could be finished because the higher ups got tired of him. (2/2)

>>719085143
>>719085075
More context:
>What is Nomura's endgame?
>There is an effort by Square to forget that XV under Tabata ever existed.

>Tabata already gave FF the status it used to have in America so he pretty much did what the suits asked him to do even if Tokyo Team anon is furious they made the writing MCU tier. This allowed Nomura to come back onto the spotlight with 7R even if it was essentially assigned to him against his will.

>But moment they found out XV's momentum was flagging and Project Athia wounded profits in 2018, they kicked him out. Considering that new fans kept associating Tabata with XV since 2016, they probably thought it would be in bad taste to let it continue so they cut him off and dropped him just before Episode Ardyn. They're probably only letting Forspoken out on the open world so Luminous Productions wipes their hands off the project that Tabata kept on talking about for years after XV's release.

>At the same time though everyone suddenly asked Square Enix about Versus in those surveys and Nomura suddenly added the Verum Rex trailer in KH3. With him suddenly leading multiple projects in supervisory positions and even getting promoted internally things seem to be looking up for him, and in the FF11 interview between Nomura and the producer that got released today no mention of XV is made in any form whatsoever even if he was credited as creator.

>Forspoken looks underwhelming, I'm surprised that S-E didn't cancel it. Unless they're trying to recoup the costs that were spent on Luminous engine and the formation of Luminous productions.

>I think that's exactly what they're doing. It's squarely aimed at the XV demographic, but unfortunately the entire reason why Forspoken exists is the same reason why NEO TWEWY and 7R didn't do as well as Square Enix expected: because serious anime plots with lots of meaning and good and substantiated political commentary is cringe, and vidya like MCU movies exist for spectacles and nothing else.

>>719085394
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Part 2)
>I thought about something similar before. Assigning a mobile/handheld developer on a AAA project with already troubled development was retarded. But having Tabata be a scapegoat for it's failure totally makes sense.

>It's just weird to me Tabata went into FFXV with the mindset "even if we fail it's OK" when he started changing it into a Westernized open world kusoge as if it's some indie project he's experimenting with. There is also that insane marketing campaign that practically shoved FFXV down everyone's throats. S-E is run by a bunch of monkeys.

>Did you hear about the theory with the legacy of Tabata's XV being actively covered up?
>I mean, Tabata left SE and took some people with him. I would be surprised if anyone would want to defend his legacy as the opportunity he got to direct a mainline FF game was a huge honor. That he would just leave and take some talented people with him no doubt hurt SE, even if it was an amicable parting. I personally don't believe that he was fired, but I do think that the way the FFXV DLC was canned after he left meant SE was ditching whatever direction Tabata was taking his team and sending it in another. And with Nomura a more powerful force at SE, I'm sure he'll be very happy to help everyone forget about that time so he can redo things the way he always wanted to.

>Kujiraoka: This costume was actually from Versus XIII's costume...
>Nomura: Wait are we allowed to say that name?
>Kujiraoka: Yeah, it's ok.
>Nomura: Because before it was not allowed...
>Hazama: Uh, it's complicated.... but it's ok now.

https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/598946567/#q598974141
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/587326452/#q587391902

>This memory holing is even [happening] likely because Nomura has been getting more power and pull in the company [so Stellafag says] NEO and SoP getting his final sign off on every aspect are indicators of influence and more likely making a team being set up for bigger things.

>>719084004
His redemption arc in the novel was great too. He taunts Noctis to fight him and Noctis was like Yeah, fuck you and your revenge scheme, I’ve got Luna and the world to save. I’ll deal with you later. Ardyn was inspired by Noctis trying to defy his fate, which reflected his own actions after waking from slumber solely for revenge. But the kid only spent 10 years becoming the True King. That caused Ardyn to have a change of heart, and he borrowed the Lucis ring to go help kill Bahamut inside the crystal. The entire scene was great. it’s a shame they didn’t make it to the game.

>>719085075
>>719085143
Addendum fro a behind the scenes: as mentioned, Kubo was personally suggested by Nomura himself (remember, the TWEWY games are more Kando's territory) because he felt the story of NEO had a cast of completely sympathetic villains and he wanted to add someone which was a complete bastard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (and if you pay attention, you can virtually remove Kubo from the story and it would only require very minimal rework of some plot elements in order to work out). So this was a very personal addition.

>>719083046
That's the lowest estimate we have.

>>719085457
>>719062951
>>719061256
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Blocked by Suits)
>Why is Nomura so unlucky? hasn't he done enough for square? hasn't he given them kingdom hearts? hasn't he created an iconic jrpg style? hasn't he contributed to ff7 significantly?

>Because people want the opposite of what he makes. They want simple handholdy stories with simple handholdy combat systems. The Tokyo Team battle system was scrapped to praise from Tabata, journalists and zoomers alike. And the original Nomura-authored political conflict was taken out and 15 was successful because it was 'made less anime'. SoP and Days were shat on for making people experience negative emotions and drama that got in the way of their gameplay.
>Note: You can argue that 16 still hasn't captured the elusive American/European mainstream market for this reason (aka breaking 5 mil like 15 did). This market calls the above KH nonsense.

>Edgy and dark still really isn't cool enough for the mainstream. I saw someone on Twitter say that RPG fans will only play Final Fantasy games if it had the combat system and writing of Borderlands and the aesthetics and quips of a Marvel movie. Even Zelda has too much plot for people who don't play Japanese games. Square will do anything to become as big as Ubisoft even if they shouldn't.

>People don't want a good RPG; they want a lame power fantasy with fancy presentation. All hype (moments and aura), no substance.
>That's why Versus XIII was retooled into XV.

>>719085551
Kando? The same guy who got Tabata'd because of Missing-Link worked on TWEWY with Nomura helping out?

>>719085721
Pretty much, he even cameos in the games as a ramen restaurant owner. You probably saw him because the localization of NEO decided to turn one of his pondering monologues into "muh cultural appropriation".

>>719085648
>>719070217
>>719081119
>>719083457

>What is Nomura's endgame? (Dreamgame Development Denied)
>CEO asks you to direct KH3 and assign a guy who helped you make CCFF7 and T-0 to co-direct your other game
>You cannot make a trilogy and have to compress the game into a single entry
>You fight with the CEO since you worked your ass off and you really want to finish this passion project
>He lets you work on the project a little bit more and tells you to watch E3
>"Wow a fucking FF7R remake that's cool"
>Directed by Tetsuya Nomura
>WAT
>You are removed from your 'weird' and 'dark' passion project to work on 'more lucrative' products
>Be told Tabata will faithfully finish the project provided you can fit your vision into a single game
>He doesn't
>Develop KH3 with a shitty engine that barely fucking works only to delay it because of said shitty engine
>Everyone blames you since no one has a fucking clue about how shitty Square management is
>Meanwhile you are forced to direct FF7R
>Outsourcing is so bad you take it upon yourself to develop 7R in-house due to the love for the game
>15 releases and it's completely different from your vision. You hate is so much you make VERSUS references left and right in KH3
>Meanwhile Disney fucks you over and over again with extremely heavy restrictions
>KH3 releases but it's not what many expected thanks to mismanagement, restrictions and juggling development with another equally as huge AAA game
>You are so angry about VERSUS you want to make another game which is kind of sort-of a reference to it but isn't as ambitious and dark as VERSUS would have been
>Get news that FF7R has a new director to help you out

Now:
>Tabata got fired. Luminous dissolved. Kitase is too busy with FF7 and Nomura has two directors on FF7R-2 to watch his office for signs of Kitase looking for him.
>Nothing can stop Nomura. He's making a game about an angry man, one that's as angry as he is. Angry about Versus. Angry about Chaos.

>>719085826
>>719085075
>>719085143
>>719082457
What is Nomura's endgame? Re:located
>Square Enix will relocate its main offic to a new building currently under construction in the East Side Square of Tokyo's Shinjuku ward. Construction is expected to be completed in April.

>Nikkei BP says the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest developer/publisher will move from its current headquarters in another part of Shinjuku to the new building some time in summer.

>Square Enix was previously based in Tokyo's Meguro ward, but the company moved to Shinjuku in 2004. Famed composer and former employee Nobuo Uematsu previously claimed the move was spurred by a fortune teller's prediction.

>"[Square Enix CEO and president Yoichi] Wada took a couple of locations to a fortune teller named Pao," said Uematsu. "Pao said the Meguro space was not going to bring any fortune to the company, and pointed to Shinjuku. That's why he decided to move it there. I heard this directly from Wada."
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/this-week-in-japanese-news-square-enix-to-otome

>Reminder that XVI also features an emperor who is himself ruled entirely by fortune tellers. Ask an old Square Enix employee (Matsuno, Maehiro, Minagawa, Kujiraoka, literally any veteran FF employee) and they will know what Yoshi-P meant by that.

>Nomura knows this too.

>>719057612
Probably just cameras in front of the model's faces.

>>719085885
>>719061637
>>719061939
>>719062234
>>719062870
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Dividing Good Hires/2 Teams Or More In Their Early Days)
>There are theories that Nomura is making use of a power vacuum at Square ever since the 2 CEOs + Tabata left. Koichi Ishii [of Mana] told him to cement or maintain SquareSOFT's old culture for new devs before he put up Grezzo.
>That's why Nomura stayed.

>Nomura has big plans for Square in and out of KH. He plans to take control of it and make it a safe haven for younger devs like what he did with KH1, Dissidia, TWEWY and Versus each time. Even the 7R games are him just sending design documents his apprentices to work on.
>This happened with Kingdom Hearts, this happened with Dissidia, this happened with Versus and to an extent the Osaka Team is this too.
>What he needs to do is to get his old KH team members stuck in CS1 that only recently got senior positions (Mitsunori Takahashi and co), move them to CS3, rehire Yuichi Kanemori and make Versus under Yoshi-P, Maehiro and Nojima clashing in the writers room for another trilogy.

>Kingdom Hearts
>Younger FF (7 and 8) devs who did some work for 9/10, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross
>Now I know why he's playing those games

>Osaka Team
>Younger KH devs /also/ mixed with people from Musashi 2 who wanted to please the boss by making 3D CoM

>Dissidia
>Younger KH devs who only worked on KH, a few from FF11

>Versus 13
>Nomura reportedly looked for people who worked on 7 and 8 but never got lead positions on purpose
>KH but 2FM hire Masanori Sato was immediately promoted to Lead Battle Planner under Yuichi Kanemori (then unceremoniously moved to the Regalia when Nomura was removed)
>Younger half of Dirge devs, some stayed on 13 but didn't work on 13-2 including future SoP director Daisuke Inoue
>A large crop of FF12/SaGa devs including Gambit system dev Takashi Isowaki
>Some 11 devs like Nobuyoshi Mihara
>Devs from Gyromancer/Last Remnant lumped in with Kawazu devs like Masato Yagi

>>719086036
>Koichi Ishii [of Mana] told him to cement or maintain SquareSOFT's old culture for new devs before he put up Grezzo.
>That's why Nomura stayed.
I don't want to add to your pasta but I have no choice so do what you want with this but Ishii was in the exact same position Nomura was in for VII and VIII when he worked on I. He led the initial game design, basic story concepts, almost all the background graphic design and even helped Kazuko Shibuya out with the character graphic design before Amano. He was essentially doing everything while Sakaguchi was finishing his last projects using his design documents. He knows what it's like. He also said Takai was the only other person doing the same thing so take that for what you will

>>719081119
he loved the idea of that game

>>719085801
>muh cultural appropriation
Not this meme again.

>>719085801
The original lines talk specifically about authenticity and would probably come across as depreciating about Japanese stuff if translated directly. "Cultural appropriation" is the same as in Japanese, relating to him believing he isn't doing the right thing by trying to sell "authentic" curry before realizing this is silly.

What’s Nomura even working on these days besides KH4? I highly doubt it’s 7R Part 3 since that project barely involves him anymore and his mobile shit project got canned. Even that Versus bootleg Verum Rex seems to be getting shelved too. Maybe he’s just too old for this shit.

>>719086245
>>719086727
>>719061939
>>719062014
>>719063247
>What is Nomura's endgame? Limit(ed Filesize, So Two Games and Half My Team Got) Cut
>When Versus XIII was cancelled, Nomura's heart found a home in CBU3 and suddenly took Naoki Yoshida twice during the production of Shadowbringers and Endwalker, which is why KH2 battle planners, programmers, designers, modelers and artists joined the FFXVI team. The Nomura Tetsuya we know at CBU1 is Xamuron Sexyutta, his angry Nobody.

>And Versus was itself sundered into Shards:
>Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin
>Kingdom Hearts 3 and 4
>Final Fantasy XV and Forspoken
>Final Fantasy VII Remake, Rebirth and Regame 3
>NEO The World Ends With You
>Final Fantasy XVI
>Verum Rex
>Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers and Endwalker (pic related)
>Reynatis
>All complement one another. When they reunite the market will remember and ask, "When is Versus XV?"

>That means Nomura should join CBU3, the disciples of Yasumi Matsuno and have Maehiro and Akiyama work their magic at a political narrative with high octane Nitroplus drama. We will have our late night anime kino.

>>719085141
It would make a huge difference. Why doesn't Noctis throw sword grenades while he's at it? Summon grenades?

>>719086785
This only makes me think of that one leak where Nomura had the idea Etro was using Stella as an avatar to investigate humanity and resurrected her from the dead. Like Minfilia being Hydaelyn oh fuck

Hey guy! Lets Bust a Base

Loki best villain amiright

>>719086958
Same thing happened with Ultima and Alma in Tactics and Elly and Miang in Xenogears. Wouldn't put it past Nomura to use that plot device again, it's clear he was taking inspiration from them both.

>>719086460
>>719086673
The concept could have been easily translated without using left-pandering buzzwords, but because Matt really wants to score brownie points with the californians, he couldn't resist.

XV is, by far, the worst FF ever made. The fact that it was the first FF on the most popular console gen, turned off a lot of new payers for the franchise. Tabata never directed a good game, his career post square is a proff of that. Also, it has the worst schizos of this board and is the sole reason why no one discuss FF on there besides porn

>>719087169
>pandering is calling out the concept of cultural appropriation as stupid
Do you even hear yourself sometimes?

>>719081119
>>719082874
>>719083457
>>719085075
>>719085143
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Part 3)
>He's definitely fantastic at what he's good at, but I'd like to think by now he also recognizes both his shortcomings and the particular strengths the company has. From the things already said and done with how he's gotten the right writers and developers for the right projects and those comments about him trying to pull together a particular team, that very much seems like the case, and even reminds me of a certain recent SE protagonist with a knack for leadership. (This is Kanade Rindo from NEO The World Ends With You (TWEWY)).

>The comments about how [Nomura is] trying to reform Tokyo Team (more on that later) as well as aiding on all these different projects not by managing them himself but by finding and placing the most talented people for them in that position and assisting them in getting to that path is not unlike the leadership style Rindo shows especially at the end of the game, where his awareness and understanding of the qualities and relations of each and every one of his allies and the capacity to connect them is what allows him to put in motion the plan that ultimately reawakens the city.

>There's likely more parallels to draw from, after all the game prominently features people from Shinjuku encroaching upon Shibuya but settling their differences, and even Rindo himself from the start of the game is very adverse to taking responsibility and putting himself out there to make decisions out of choice paralysis and the fear of what could happen, instead just drifting along and passing on details that could be crucial.

>After all, imagine you got the chance at a project that could be everything you want to make and have it taken from you due to all kinds of circumstances, while your other prized project is subject to all kinds of corporate meddling.

>That sort of thing might make you never want to take such decisions again, at least for a while.

>>719087818
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Part 4)
>Pay attention. The rule of good writing is to show, but not tell, and Nomura knows that.

>It's not telling Jack that he'll remember the past, but that he will be *forced* to, and that that makes him a liability because he chose to ignore it and has immediately started feeling the effects.
>The only "telling" part in terms of a narrator insert is how it echoes and reflects Nomura's thoughts on the Versus XIII situation.
>The line in question which is before the "liability" remark is awful and stands out as a conversation the characters absolutely wouldn't have.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/633824571/#q633852707
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/633824571/#633852893

>"Hey, Nomura-kun. We need to have a talk. Now that Kitase and Hashimoto can't protect us from Matsuda like what happened with Wada, Versus XIII is a liability. You depended on your tenure to keep it in development."
>"In other words, you'll be forced to do your favorite thing: acquiesce."
>"Uh-oh! Well, it was nice knowing you, Tetsu!"
>"Shut up. [Laughs] I don't care about any of that crap."
>"If it's not Versus XIII, making Versus XIII, or edgy and dark, who cares right?"
>"Wrong. All of that's just background noise. All I care about is-"
>"Finding something to replace that purpose you lost?"
>"You got it. I need a game - something to create. I'm nothing without a story to tell."
>"I wouldn't say that."
>"It's a matter of principle, you wouldn't understand. [Laughs]"
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/634121843/#q634185118
https://youtu.be/e2HCQxCsI3E?t=781

>This is Nomura's story. There may be one more chance.

>Harness the burning anger.

>>719087632
Nips love Tabata's games

>Half the plot points are cut short
>a literal store asset dragon miniboss
>cancelled once or twice
>BRUUUH FINAL FANTASYYYY

>>719087868
>What is Nomura's endgame? ReMIND:er.
>Reminder that this is the heroine of XVI.
>The bottom is the heroine of Versus XIII.
>They know. Just a reminder to stay pissed.
Again. Harness the burning anger.

>>719087916
I think that everybody agree that Crisis Core ruined Zack's story, right? The idea of a super soldier, so weak by the abuse he sufferec, being killed by a grunt is far more compeling than whatever the fuck that was. And i don't even want to talk about how retarded the plot of CC is

>>719081119
I don't like engaging with pasta like this, but are you the same person who wrote >>719087818?

>>719085826
>Dreamgame Development Denied
Why the alliteration? Come on.

>>719087982
Jill feels more like a recycled version of Sarah who isn’t even from a FF game.

>>719087868
Writing is all tell and no show, idiot.

>>719088216
Would you like to see the Sarah DLC for XV?

The Eikons are the established gods of the world whose machinations stem from and mutually empower the crystal, which in turn empowers the Royal Arms/Ring which in turn empowers the vassals of the King and his City. It's a system of power distribution that's thoroughly explained in the game and the movie. It is similarly implied by the issue of the Starscourge that the Crystal as a primordial empowerment entity also derives its fundamental power from access to sunlight, or alternatively that it produces sunlight in itself and that the engulfing bacterial/nanomachine nature of the scourge is choking its ability to distribute even light.

The real issue with the game is the way that it's so desperately tied to an ancient mythology type determinism where said gods (especially Bahamut) have built an inescapable trap for their human vassals, capturing the royal family members and their vassals in turn within a long foreseen tragedy. It's not bad per se, but it isn't especially fulfilling to a modern audience that prefers to believe in personal determination and free will.

>>719063170
Anon what the fuck are you doing? Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>719088597
>It's not bad per se, but it isn't especially fulfilling to a modern audience that prefers to believe in personal determination and free will.
Assuming this was part of FFXIII since the get go, I can see why Kitase approved his pitch, if Nomura's long rant about audiences turning their nose confrontational topics and accepting what you can't change is any indication.

>>719088285
Sure, why not.

>>719086245
Yes, they are.

>"Nomura-san is a visionary. ... There was one time when the team was stuck for a week [solving] a level design problem, and he solved it in five minutes. He looks at the game in its completion, it's already there in his head."
FFXV lead game designer, Versus XIII (!) and Type-0 level designer, Metronomik co-founder, and No Straight Roads co-creator and co-director Wan Hazmer

>"I felt artistically respected and appreciated by Mr. Nomura for the first time since I started living in Japan. He showed me his deep trust in my potential ... [and] me as a human being. Before I started working for Square Enix ... I just felt exploited."
FFXV, Versus XIII (!), Type-0, VII Remake, SoP: FFO and KH3 character designer Roberto Ferrari

>"Of those that remain at Square Enix that are committed to doing the work [of maintaining Square's craft], I feel that it's Takai and Tetsu (FFVII series creative director Tetsuya Nomura)."
Chocobo, Moogle and Mana creator, and FFXI OG director Koichi Ishii (thank you based Stellafag for this translation)

>"I’m quite sure he has the most titles with “FF” in their name under his belt. So at least among the veteran members, he’s recognized as the creative mind who embodies FF, and ... Mr. Ishii has entrusted the future of the FF series to Tetsu."
FFXI producer, IV, V, XIV and Chrono Trigger battle director Akihiko Matsui

>"[Yoshi-P] said all the popular job theories were wrong. So no Geo, no Chem, no Corsair, no Necro, no Rune Fencer. It's Reaper ... Nomura got in Yoshi's ear after Eden and said every member of his Organization XIII was based on a Final Fantasy Job except Marluxia who was a Reaper. This is just to give KH a bigger FF connection."
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/543280018/#543287378 on FFXIV director, XIV and XVI producer Naoki Yoshida

This fucking guy. Square needs to let him make games he wants to make and only the games he wants to make, especially that one.

N-Nomura-sama, I kneel.

>>719086245 (You)
Yes, they are.

>"Nomura-san is a visionary. ... There was one time when the team was stuck for a week [solving] a level design problem, and he solved it in five minutes. He looks at the game in its completion, it's already there in his head."
FFXV lead game designer, Versus XIII (!) and Type-0 level designer, Metronomik co-founder, and No Straight Roads co-creator and co-director Wan Hazmer

>"I felt artistically respected and appreciated by Mr. Nomura for the first time since I started living in Japan. He showed me his deep trust in my potential ... [and] me as a human being. Before I started working for Square Enix ... I just felt exploited."
FFXV, Versus XIII (!), Type-0, VII Remake, SoP: FFO and KH3 character designer Roberto Ferrari

>"Of those that remain at Square Enix that are committed to doing the work [of maintaining Square's craft], I feel that it's Takai and Tetsu (FFVII series creative director Tetsuya Nomura)."
Chocobo, Moogle and Mana creator, and FFXI OG director Koichi Ishii (thank you based Stellafag for this translation)

>"I’m quite sure he has the most titles with “FF” in their name under his belt. So at least among the veteran members, he’s recognized as the creative mind who embodies FF, and ... Mr. Ishii has entrusted the future of the FF series to Tetsu."
FFXI producer, IV, V, XIV and Chrono Trigger battle director Akihiko Matsui

>"[Yoshi-P] said all the popular job theories were wrong. So no Geo, no Chem, no Corsair, no Necro, no Rune Fencer. It's Reaper ... Nomura got in Yoshi's ear after Eden and said every member of his Organization XIII was based on a Final Fantasy Job except Marluxia who was a Reaper. This is just to give KH a bigger FF connection."
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/543280018/#543287378 on FFXIV director, XIV and XVI producer Naoki Yoshida

This fucking guy. Square needs to let him make games he wants to make and only the games he wants to make, especially that one.

N-Nomura-sama, I kneel.

>>719089157
I have the quote now but I'll look up sauce for Ishii working on singlehandedly soon and the statement Stellafag translated (he speaks Japanese?). I don't know why but these quotes rarely get posted anymore so here you folks go too.
Ok to be honest now I'm excited for certain Tabata schizos to come into this thread I need to amp this up

>>719062874
The king was an upgrade

The thing i've always pondered about Versus XIII is how it would have fit with what was going on with the Fabula Nova Crystallis since i distinctly remember it was supposed to take place in the deep underground of Pulse (hence why the eternal night setting). I'm guessing the reason XIII-2 went on a time-busting adventure that ends with the erasure of the universe was due to how the game was taking too long to make?

>>719089295
https://we-are-vanadiel.finalfantasyxi.com/post/?id=262
It was Highway Star. Koichi Ishii was making everything for Final Fantasy I because Sakaguchi was working on Highway Star and couldn't exit early on his own. Like Nomura on Kingdom Hearts before FF8. What the fuck.

>>719089758
No? Versus XIII was only called Versus XIII because it was going to be the opposite of everything XIII was going to be. Versus in Latin means to stand against. Almost like 'an alternate XIII', or how 'Agito XIII' was a moving (aka mobile) XIII. Very stupid. Kitase even joked about making 13 versions of FFXIII, even non-games.

So Nomura was just misunderstood and it's just the suits trying to pander to the West because they cannot handle JP edgy??

>>719089157
Don't stay within the dark.

>"The most amazing thing about [Nomura], I think, is his power to imagine. It's so detailed. He can tell if there's something off in just a fraction of a pixel. We'll be looking at an image we output and his instructions will be like adjust this part of the character's eye by 98-point-something percent and then move it to the left by x number of dots. It's unbelievable... I don't know I can do it."
FFX gadget designer and background art director, XII, XIII, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, XV, The 3rd Birthday and Paper Mario: The Origami King art director, and Harvestella concept artist Isamu Kamikokuryo

>"[Nomura] has this strange power to take CG characters and make them so convincing as people. He produces characters as a complete package. Visuals are just the start. He's thinking about their animation, the whole way they carry themselves. Their attitude, how they express themselves -- a lot of little details. That's what makes Tetsuya Nomura such a talented creator."
Bahamut Lagoon scenario writer, FFX and VII Remake event director, X-2, XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns director Motomu Toriyama

>"This exposes one of our shortcomings at Monolith, but for this project, Saito-san (Masatsugu Saito – Main Character Design) and Tek-kun (Tetsuya Nomura – Torna Character Design) covered for and supported us on the character design front, and I’m truly thankful to them for their efforts."

>"During my time at Square, I met very talented designers such as Nomura-kun, and it would be a dream-come-true to have someone as talented (Although we did get Nomura-kun for Xenoblade 2). If only we had someone like that at Monolith Soft..."
FFIV and V graphic designer, VI graphic director and mechanical designer, VII pitchman, and Xeno co-creator Tetsuya Takahashi

Without Nomura, kino is doomed to descend into CHAOS. Nomura and his fellow heir to Square (including Final Fantasy) Hiroshi Takai, bring that kino.

Yes, you /will/ kneel.

>>719090043
>So Nomura was just understood correctly and it's just the suits trying to pander to the West because they cannot handle JP edgy??
FTFY. Did you not read all those articles and (ew) tweets slamming 13 (rightfully though) and making fun of Japanese games for being overly emotional? I point to all those forum posts on the Days' scene where Xion disappears. The ice cream one.

>>719050234
Worse, tabata had 4 years and this was what he came up with.
There's a reason his most recent game got funding pulled.

>>719090058
One more thing.

There is no Square without Nomura.

>"Yoshida told Nomura that he wanted to add Limit Breaks in FFXIV, and Nomura told him; "You don't have to force yourself to match things, just do what you want to do". And with that, Yoshida decided to make the series' first "fan service" FF game, and made FFXIV with the "FF theme park" concept."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-you-up-for-a-more-open-mainline-final-fantasy-game.745738/page-3

>"First of all, I think Tetsuya-san is a true genius in his character designs and the settings and worlds he comes up with through those characters. As a fan, I feel ashamed that online FFs don't really have that essence. Since he's so busy, I wasn't sure how much he'd be able to do, but I made a quick request back when he drew us an illustration for ARR's 3rd anniversary. Last summer, I asked if he could design one of the key characters for our new raid "Eden", and he said "It'll probably be ok", although it actually seemed to be quite a struggle *laughs* But he came through for us, and not only is it a very "Tetsuya" design, it's also going to push us to adjust our modeling in order to recreate it in FFXIV. The younger FF fans are very familiar with Tetsuya-san's art, so I hope this will help them continue to enjoy FFXIV as an FF theme park."
FFXIV director, XIV and XVI producer and Whisper of Stellafag no. XIII, the Key of Rehiring, Naoki Yoshida

>"Our old friend Tetsuya Nomura was in the team for a short time at a very early stage of development (He said "Don't you guys think there should be an Asian, tactician type of a character in the game?" Takahashi came up with Citan from that remark.) It was fun working together with friends."
FFV, Romancing SaGa 3 graphic designer, FFVI character designer and writer, VII pitchwoman and Xeno co-creator Soraya SaGa

So it goes.

>>719090145
But only the West mocks the Xion ice cream scene.
They also don't play Days since it's on a Nintendo console which they mock as childish.

FF15 is proof that SOVL can save an otherwise mediocre & broken game

you can say that its mechanics are shallow, you can say its world is unfinished, you can say its story is poorly told ... but you can't deny it has plenty of SOVL

>>719058648
>bros going on an adventure to help fren get his dick wet
Would buy
Also isn't that like the plot of several late 90s and early 2000's burger comedy movies?

>>719090323
I'm not disagreeing with you, since JP suits did anything to please that demographic at the time. Nomura's dreams for Versus 13 which would be mocked just as SoP was would be totally unsuccessful in the Western market at the time (which is why I cited forum posts, 'journalism' and public sentiment).

Is there any game that hits as hard as FFXV? I really want that high again. Adventuring with the bros, and the game itself taking pics throughout the whole game was really clever. Then making you pick one at the end of the game. The whole ending was a masterpiece. Imagine what could've been if Nomura had his vision realized and or tabata wasn't used as a scapegoat to clean up a mess that wasn't even his but actually given proper time to develop the game

>>719062376
it's really not that bad, maybe the best film SE ever did?

>>719090316
>Whisper of Stellafag no. XIII, the Key of Rehiring, Naoki Yoshida
What the hell man.

>>719090969
The full roster of the Arbiters of Taste/Organization Versus XIII/Convocation of Versus XIII/Whispers of Stellafag
>No. I, The Superior of the Anti-Barry - Stellafag - Emet-Selch, Angel of Truth - Zalera, the Death Seraph
>No. II, The Freeshitposter - Stellafagfag - Igeyorhm, the Martyr - Shemhazai, the Whisperer
>No. III, The Whirlwind Researcher - Tokyo Team anon - Lohgrif, the Transcendent - Belias, the Gigas
>No. IV, The Cutscene Autist - Jun Akiyama fag - Ultima, the High Seraph - Altima, the Artists' Advocate
>No. V, The Cacophonic Hero - Quotes anon - Fandaniel, the Protector - Hashmal, Bringer of Order
>No. VI, The Constant Schemer - Not-Xigbar - Halmarut, the Arbiter - Exodus, the Judge-Sal
>No. VII, The Luna Hater - Jillfag - Nabriales, the Majestic - Cuchulainn, the Impure
>No. VIII, The Summoner of Dancing Bullets - Magun anon - Deudalaphon, the Benevolent - Adrammlech, the Wroth
>No. IX, The Dormant Nocturne - 'I wonder what Stellafag's thoughts are on this game'/'Stellafag please buy me this game/Someone should post the writeups' anon - Lahabrea, Abyssal Celebrant - Mateus, the Corrupt (Hello!)
>No. X, The Schizo of Customization - Gambit system anon - Pashtarot, the Knight-Star - Zeromus, the Condemner
>No. XI, The Total Stranger - Jack Garland - Mitron, the Chastiser - CHAOS, Walker of the Wheel
>No. XII, The Savage Chuuni - Tetsuya Nomura - Elidibus, Heart of CHAOS (Jack is his self-insert) - Zodiark, Keeper of Precepts
>No. XIII, the Key of Rehiring - Naoki Yoshida - Emmeroloth, Holy Queen - Famfrit, the Darkening Cloud (his other favorite FF is FF3)
>No. i, Fan of Twelve - Dreamboum - Hydaelyn, the Source-Mother - Azem, Son of Light

>>719091049
>Dreamboum
...?

>>719091049
based, is this gonna be like the FF7 house?

>>719091332
Not him but certain Kawazufags have been speaking to Stellafag and he said "work has literally stopped me from gaming" or whatever. I would say it's a step up from 7 House but I don't think we really should give these guys that credit.

>>719083046
Loli luna is soooo fucking hot

>>719090446
So how's Square now? XVI seems pretty dull, KH is nowhere and 7R seems pretty bad.

>>719053776
the royal arms are basically the sealed weapons from ff5 now that i think about it

>>719081028
>The hole you were supposed to plap... You're gonna be a virgin forever now, Noctis... unless... you allow your bros to help you feel better, I'll make you feel good, bro...

>>719087982
I'd totally believe that because Jill was written like an afterthought outside of her angsty backstory

>>719090180
4 years isn't much time in terms of hd development. Especially when a new engine is involved

>>719088048
>SOLDIER 1st Class getting offed by a single grunt is LE EPIC AND SOMBER

You're a dumbfuck contrarian. People first made fun of Zack getting fucked like a bitch, then comes Reunion fixing that scene and gives him a proper send-off, but now it's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE A LITERAL BIO-MODIFIED SUPERSOLDIER FIGHT AN ARMY OF GRUNTS!!! IT'S NO LONGER LE SOMBER AND FUNNY!!!".
Fuck off, you'd complain no matter what they did in that scene.

>>719049191 (OP)
Don't promote psychology.
It destroys brains.
Games build.

>>719088278
Based retard.

>>719093553
Coward.

>>719088278
All conveyance of quality is it itself.

>>719050234
Yeah but he didn't HAVE to make it gay as fuck.
But no, it's unnecessarily heavily gay.

>>719093791
How is it gay?

>>719094859
>How
Very hard. It's gay coded, every character is a faggot. Noctis gives up his boipucci to all of them, playing around as he pleased, which is why they got so mad at him, at different points. I swear, you homosexuals are blind to obvious innuendo.
He wanted Stelluna to die because he'd never go as low as to marry a woman that gave him the ick, instead of a huge dick.

>>719088048
>>719093129
>fixing that scene
What? The ending of Crisis Core Reunion is the same as in the original. He fights an army and they wear him out until he dies. What's unreasonable about that?

>>719050234
TPBP.

Blame everything wrong with FFvs13 ("15") on Nomura. He should be stuck in a basement doing character designs than leading 3 (THREE) studios.

I hate to say this but nomura is sㅇi man titted estrogen bitch and so as current finalfantasy just let it die

Game made for tranny cock.

>>719095201
You have some strange fantasies, anon
And i think you protest too much :)

>>719049191 (OP)
this game was development hell incarnate and after more than a decade they still didnt have a game so they just stitched togheter what they had and sold it. Its probably the most uneven final fantasy game there is, but with all its faults its still fun at times.

>>719049191 (OP)
It's gay
>kills the waifu
>most of the game is being in a group of faggots

>>719049191 (OP)
Because this game was clearly rushed and unfished. They just wanted to ship it at all cost after being in development for 10 years and development restarted from scratch like 3 times and even changing staff and director. Not to mention out of those 10 years the game we got was actually made in like 2-3 years. Like the world of this game is fucking empty. There are only like 2 small town in total, the dungeons are all dull and dark with nothing in them but walls and maze-like level design.

How the fuck this game has an 80+ Metascore? I have no idea.
How the fuck reviews on Steam are mostly positive? I have no idea.
This game is a complete trainwreck, a wasted decent soundtrack just like FF13, combat is fucking trash too. Yet this garbage is one of the best selling FF games to date and the one game in the franchise most young people have played.

>>719098513
Fuck you, man.
The summon theme and the effects is godlike. The mechanic to summon them was garbage though

>>719049191 (OP)
Bought it and beat it on a deep sale. It was ok, prob wouldn't play it again, 6.5/10

>>719095749
Give it go the koreans at this point. They know how combat both turn based and action and their character writing is actually really good.

>>719049191 (OP)
It was a tad disappointing. Wouldn't be so bad if it was fun to play, but it was kinda clunky.

>>719102831
>their character writing is actually really good.
nah I don't think so

Why did he shave only this part lol were they trying to copy X's asymmetric style

who is this greentext spammer? thread was pretty comfy before this faggot showed up

>>719049191 (OP)
>Why is this game so schizophrenic?
most of the fanbase came to terms with the idea that this game was going to suck and didn't really care.

>>719049191 (OP)
Nomura failed to make Versus XIII, so Square Enix forced Tabata to piece together Nomura's failed abortion, and the result is XV, a game that was cobbled together with the kitchen scraps of a Versus XIII that Nomura spent 7 years pretending like he was making just so that it looked like he was busy.

A disaster all around, really.

>>719062376
>Is this any good
it's pure kino, the best thing that came out of the FF XV train wreck

>>719104143
>so Square Enix forced Tabata to piece together Nomura's failed abortion,
im not defending nomura, but tabata is still a shit director. taro managed to make a memorable complete and satisfying game with a fraction of the budget

>>719104493
>im not defending nomura, but tabata is still a shit director.
I agree that Nomura is a character designer, not a director, and that Tabata is not that great either.

>taro managed to make a memorable complete and satisfying game with a fraction of the budget
That's because Yoko Taro is an insane genius with great artistic vision. He is what Nomura wishes he was. Really, Nomura wishes that he was either Yoko Taro or Hideo Kojima, or perhaps a combination of both. Instead, Nomura is a little kid completely out of his depth trying to play with the big boys, faking it until he makes it, and he already made it somehow but he's still faking it because he never truly learned.

Tabata *had* to repurpose Nomura's failed abortion. He had to take scraps of something he didn't give a shit about and find a way to piece it together using his own idea. It could have turned out better, but it was by all public accounts financially successful, so even though you and I think he failed, objectively, on paper, he did not. There's also Type-0, which is easily the best FNC game, though I disliked XIII enough that I didn't play XIII-2 or LR, so maybe one of those is technically the best FNC game, but of the base FNC games, Tabata's other game, the one he actually got to make himself, Type-0, is easily the best one.

>>719104493
Eh Tabata clearly has some good ideas as a director that are very effective.
Prompto's photography is a huge homerun for the game and carries a lot of its emotional weight by itself.
I'd also say the second half, while a bit scattershot, is also a great display of his directorial prowess.
The train sequences feel appropriately claustrophobic and aimless and I love the sequence where you have to babysit blind Ignis around and he can't even cook food properly at camp anymore.

>>719049191 (OP)
cyberconnect2 really fucked this whole game, SE needed to rebuild a whole new engine after CC2 royal fuckup, SE ends up blowing all the good beginning story in a movie to keep hype up, game ends up mid cut into pieces for scrap or dlc
they want to get more $ back from custom engine and create Forspoken, which flopped for the same reasons; no real story

its sad the cascade cyberconnect2 had on this whole company

>>719104849
Tabatha's fine

>>719088048
More like crisis core gave zack a story