Thread 719855672

https://twitter.com/metalgear_jp/status/1963799248761135544
MGS2Δ just got greenlit

>>719855672 (OP)
lel beaten by Silksong

>>719855750
dont care, go dilate zoomer

That is actually low sales for MGS.
Though the hefty price tag probably harmed the initial sales as well as MGS3 is a shit game and this is just a generic remake

>>719855754
based

>>719855775
>MGS3 is a shit game
Let me guess, 2 is your favorite.

>>719855672 (OP)
You mean metal gear solid, no? Since it technically would be the second one chronologically that isn't 2D

Firing Kojima was the smartest thing Konami ever did

>>719855818
That was already greenlit and is probably coming out next year. 2 is the one that was relying on this game's success.

>>719855991
I see.
I do hope so it gets greenlit then, 2 is my favorite and playing it with updated graphics would be awesome.
>not counting the hours I have from the ps2 version on original hardware

>>719855754
this

>>719855816
Yeah it is.
MGS3 IS a shit game, not just a bad MGS game.
Its a menu simulator with barely any stealth at all. More just raw traversal. Very annoying it is praised so high.
The irony as well is that it is the lowest rated Mainline MGS on meta critic and the poorest selling mainline MGS game too. Though the re-releases of it inflated the sales over time.
I get the remade it as its the first game chronologically but it didnt deserve a remake, where MG 1 and 2 does as well as PW.
I just hope they remake PW next and do it real justice.

Not bought delta and I wont until it is on a super cheap sale.

>>719855750
It takes 3.5 units just to match the base price of 1 game of Delta. 4 units to match the deluxe edition. Delta could match the profits of Silksong even by selling less units.

>>719855991
>>719856109
PW would be next. They literally said they started with 3 as its the first chronologically and they not only want to recreate it for fans but bring in new people to the franchise.
I expect a master collection 2 before a PW remake. Possibly even a PO remake too.
Then a re-release or something of V to close out BB story before they devs start of recreating MG 1 and 2 and eventually going to MGS1-2-4
If they get that far in remaking the games.

>>719856481
Crap, while them remastering PO then PW (if they decide to do PO) are great news, I would have loved to get MGS2 first, oh well.

>>719856449
I imagine Delta cost a lot more to make than indie slop

fix the performance

>>719856638
It's a weird case because the graphics and UE5 licensing, probably yeah. They also had to redo Snake vs. Monkey, the Bomberman thing, having the Guy Savage thing be completely redone from the ground up, and do some new voice lines here or there, while implementing new code for the features in New Style.
But like 95% of the game is otherwise just plastered on top of the Master Collection port, meaning the actual "game development" part of Delta was completely skipped over. It's effectively a glorified definitive edition remaster and its development budget has to be analyzed as such. This isn't counting the Fox Hunt online mode they're working on, mind you, since that's post launch stuff presumably using the code here as a base instead of its entirely own separate game thing.

>>719855672 (OP)
rather they try to make a new game

>>719856559
I dont want them to touch MGS2 desu as they will ruin it. Its still a perfect game now and the HD collection (on PS3 for pressure sensitivity) is fine, with the exception they messed up sniping controls.
If they did it like MGS3, no new areas, AI, all the same, its a shit remake.
MGS2 would need shell 2 fully explorable and strul L added at least.
Though why would they do 3, then 2, out of release order and story is fucked up.
It makes sense to start with 3 and go chronologically.
SS has the most games but also the most work needed to be done as MG 1 and 2 need a full on remake, MGS4 would be technical because of octocamo (and really needs expanding) and MGS1 voice work is too messed up, needs fully redoing as well as we seen in TTS that shadow moses needs expanding because MGS2 mecs trivialized the game.

The director who did delta created PO I think so I could expect them to create PO and while kojima made it non canon it is perfectly fine for it to be canon. Gene is a great villain and the story introduces col campbell and grey fox. Plus gives the reason how BB got the idea and finances (the legacy) to make outer heaven.

An ideal situation would be a PO/PW in one game as a continuous story because they are both kind of short if you remove all the grinding and side ops.

Ideal situation is they fully expand the areas, make them seamless etc in both games, unify the recruitment so PO has fultons etc and make the game(s) fully coop. With player 1 always being snake and coop chars have to chose a soldier.

>>719856930
How can they, kojima killed off the protagonists.
Only way they could do it is make a game between the events of PW and MG1, MG1-MGS, MGS to 2 or MGS2 to MGS4
Cunt sabotaged the game.
All it needed to be was simple infiltrations with terrorists, special bosses and ends in metal gear battles and the game could have been an ass creed type of game they shit out often and it would have been a massive IP.

>>719856449
It won't be as profitable but still will be a commercial success.

>>719857078
spinoff AU like ghost babel and acid, cobras prequel

jappa 'auteurs' always end up like that if they get too much seniority, they can't separate the work from their own personal feeling & experience with it, so it always just turns into gay meta i-novel stuff

>>719855672 (OP)
>Phase One
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Portable Ops
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Peace Walker

>Phase Two
METAL GEAR Δ
METAL GEAR Δ: Snake's Revenge
METAL GEAR Δ: Solid Snake

>Phase Three
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Ghost Babel
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: The Twin Snakes
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Mobile
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Sons of Liberty
METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Guns of the Patriots

>Phase Four
METAL GEAR AC!D Δ
METAL GEAR RISING Δ: Revengeance

>>719855838
retard

>>719857078
>How can they, kojima killed off the protagonists.
Rising basically created a note that the war economy continues on, PMCs are unruly cunts using the opportunity to create their own standards of order, and so forth. it's not hard to cook up a new or custom protag thrown into the meat grinder as some victim of conflict, a government agent stooge, a PMC or ex-PMC person, etc. and tactical espionage operations ensue. Alternatively they play the "safe" route of just making more stories in between games, or outright reboot the series to start a different path like Ghost Babel or Acid while getting to forever use the identity of Snake and shit.
Whether any of these choices are GOOD or end up worth the effort and so forth isn't my call or point to make, but the choices do exist.

>>719856930
They got rid of Kojima then made Metal Gear Survive. I don’t think you really want a new game from Konami

>>719857078
I wouldn't mind them remastering MGS2, why would that be bad? The game would be the same gameplay wise.

>>719857305
>kojima doesn’t deserve any credit for MGS
>kojima is single-handedly responsible for MGS
holy fuck you Kojima haters are such fucking drones.

when's the new multiplayer mode coming out

It’s too bad that if they do remake MG1/2 they’re not going to pay Kiefer to return. I want no part of hearing Hayter play 3 characters

>>719857347
>The game would be the same gameplay wise.
If we use Delta as an example basis, hardly. Bullet drop on tranquilizer rounds to 'balance' them, players being able to move, aim and shoot at the same time would kinda trivialize sequences like the Arsenal Gear Tengu fight, and the game's fixed camera worked in conjunction with the radar to force you to root yourself in position for first person scouting of areas a lot to even know if a dude's just down the hall from you; getting to see that in third person kind of rips the challenge and design right out of that.
You don't even have to imagine it, the SOS mod for the old PC port highlights the camera advantages.

>>719857469
They're clones. They're supposed to sound the same.

Konami pricing it at full price was smart. They knew that MGS players are loyal enough to pay $80 for it so there wasn’t a reason to go lower just to appeal to slightly more buyers (MGS isn’t a normie franchise) and lose out on revenue

who is buying this shit?

>>719857485
Hm, that would be true, they could risk it doing a Resident Evil remake style for that one but who knows if it could work.

>>719855672 (OP)
coasting off the work of geniuses. congrats konami.

>>719857605
why even remake it, the games aesthetics are timeless. if youre not touching the gameplay (which you shouldn't in this case) I just don't understand caring about this

Δ = 3 you absolute retards

>>719857485
You only have to see how the free camera ruined MGS3 subsistance and trivialized it to see how it would mess up MGS2.
If they recreated MGS2, like MGS1 they need to fully expand the areas because the TPS free camera would ruin the game just like how the MGS2 mecs ruined MGS1 with TTS

>>719857591
me

>>719857772
Can't wait for MGS □

>>719857803
It's interesting because they specifically cite the MSX games and MGS1, the games that don't have modern ports and presumably didn't keep a source around for Twin Snakes, as things that would need design changes if they approached them like Delta. Unless design philosophy changes, or they heavily modify the New Style approach in big ways to fit each individual game, an MGS2 equivalent would be in the cards because of the Master Collection Port.
This makes me curious if Konami would sooner do this for PW or 4 than bother with more Master Collection stuff.

>>719857727
PW is the one that genuinely deserved to be remade as it is one of the best MGS games but was limited by the PSP hardware.
Fully expanding the level design making the areas seamless, recreating the story in engine and expanding the arsenal, while also removing shit side ops and expanding more side ops plus adding full coop to every mission would be a damn hit.
The story in PW is top tier too.
Unless you played PW you dont even know who any of the characters are in MGSV. Except ocelot I suppose.

>>719857375
He didn't imply either of those things

>>719855672 (OP)
Im waiting on buying it to see if the multiplayer is MGO or if its just a single game mode.

>>719857990
I didn't respond to him because I think he might've meant to click the post below mine.

>>719855672 (OP)
reminder we will never get a 1:1 remake of mgs1 because it wouldexpose all the faggots that pretend that trash is good or aged better than rancid dog shit

>>719857772
devs said it can mean the same thing but in a new perspective
>>719857727
Because I would love getting the game with new graphics and not dealing with odd choices for weapon maneuvering

>>719857960
So this is kind of the plan. They are trying to remake the IP and ease the new team into it so remaking a game like 3 as a 1:1 is easy and a starting point that allows the team to get experience and use that experience to create more technical changes to remakes.
So for example they make PO or PQ next, they already have shit like aiming, combat and traversal sorted from the 3 remake they can use in these games remakes.
In they did these games they need to learn level design as they expand the games and use that experience to recreate MG1 and 2, which essentially, apart from the story beats will be recreating a game from scratch.
So it makes sense logically they will go chronologically and do either PO or PW next and if the sales are still there finally get into MGS with SS as the protag.

>>719858041
That still doesn't make sense because that post is shitting on Konami

>>719858004
>if its just a single game mode
It is just a single game mode. It looks like a simple DM with hide and seek and seeing how shit that ghilly suit is I doubt it will be any fun.

>>719857874
Why did you buy it?

>>719858065
We will get a 1:1 remake of mgs1
We will buy a 1:1 remake of mgs1
We will play a 1:1 remake of mgs1
We will fall in love with a 1:1 remake of mgs1 Meryl
And we will be happy

>>719858202
To be entirely fair, I can't even call Delta a remake in its own right. Like Oblivion Remastered it's running old code directly underneath with a UE5 layer and extra features/content coded in on top, with Master Collection being used. To the point that supposedly 12GB of an install is just MC data unused. Yeah I can see these things being used as training tools to understand how these games, their code, mechanics, systems and everything work, but this thing's basically like training them off of a high budget remaster project instead of a Shadow of the Colossus or Demon's Souls project.

>>719855672 (OP)
Mostly bought by GenXers and millennials.
Gen Z is too busy with Silksong (or lastest Fortnite event).
Kids are not interested in playing Metal Gear anymore.

>>719858319
It was an incentive to Konami, hoping that they would go on to make castlevania / contra games in the future.

>>719858453
>Kids are not interested in playing Metal Gear anymore.
They are interested in revengeance for some reason.

>>719858646
>for some reason.

>>719855750
Csgo mogs all your shitty slop

>>719858646
>some reason
Endless memes that still manage to resonate even over a decade later.

>>719855750
I think delta was easier to make

>>719856481
They are never doing PW. Only the numbered games will be remade.

>>719855838
genius

>>719855672 (OP)
I want MGSPOΔ

>>719858674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8scSwaKbE64

>>719855672 (OP)
>MGS2Δ
So what, Portable Ops? Peace Walker?
Or is the Delta series just going to jump around aimlessly?
When is Ac!d Delta

>>719855672 (OP)
Thanks to everyone who bought the UE5 slop, hopefully we get Metal Gear Solid 4 on pc along with MGO2
I tried MGO2 emulated but it's filled by sweats who mastered every exploit the game and it's not any fun, hopefully when Konami re-releases it we'll get fun lobbies

>>719858865
They already said they are doing 3 because of it being the chronological start and PW is on their timeline on the website.
They are doing PW next for sure.

>>719859093
I loved MGO2 but like you said its full of exploits and its anti fun because of it. You cant compete unless doing all that cancer too.

>>719859093
You get Metal Gear Solid 4 but it's ported to UE5 with asset updates on top

>>719858370
enjoy your $90 game thats 4 hours long with half of that being backtracking to change a key card lmao

>>719859160
It's only at most 300 people that know every exploit inside and out, with an official re-release we'd never run across those people
>>719859186
It would run worse than MGS4 on the original ps3

>>719859093
>I tried MGO2 emulated but it's filled by sweats who mastered every exploit the game
I knew this would be the case so I didn't even bother.
That game was so amazing to play back in the day, and it was so casual friendly. I loved how many servers there were with random rulesets. Like the prison servers, or the sniper servers.

Playing as Snake on Sneak was peak

>>719855672 (OP)
If you want a picture of the future of gaming, imagine a remake stamping on a new IP or a sequel - forever

>>719857965
completely agree
>>719858127
that's fine I just don't look at mgs2 and think "man I need graphics", much the opposite. Why aren't they able to make games that look like this still.
Imo the gun handling is a key part of the game and changing it just dilutes the experience.

>>719859273
I remember the SWAT servers where one team would have 3 minutes to hunker down in a building before the other team attacks, those were the days

>>719857078
>Its still a perfect game now
There is nothing perfect about MGS2 with exception to its story.

Here's my wishlist for MGS2Δ

going from 3 straight into 2 is a terrible idea, if you want to retain new players.

Big Boss is the face of the series

>>719859396
>Vamp genderswap
What are you gay?

>>719859418
Delta should remaster the games in chronological order.
The "change" represented by the name Delta is the magic/supernatural elements slowly being drained away and replaced with increasingly invasive technology and nanomachines.

>>719858419
>it's running old code directly underneath with a UE5 layer
No it's not.

>>719857238
>Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater has that name because a triangle has 3 sides
Metal Gear Omicron: The War For Outer Heaven & The Zanzibar Land Disturbance?
Metal Gear Solid Upsilon: The Twin Snakes?
Metal Gear Solid Tau(get it?): Sons Of Liberty?
Metal Gear Solid X(pronounced Key): Guns Of The Patriots?

>>719858065
>>719858370
We will get MGS1Δ and Liquid will not die this time. He will return in MGS2Δ.

Wonder if they'll remake MG1 and MG2.

>>719859041
MGSΔ2 will probably be MGS1.

>>719859396
>>719859768
He won't come back liquidfag

>>719859093
>hopefully we get Metal Gear Solid 4 on pc along with MGO2
Never happening with the licensing nightmare.

What you will get, however, is MGS4 redone in UE5.

>>719859238
MGS4 ran perfectly fine on PS3. No worse than its contemporaries.

>>719859719
A lot of functions are literally identical

>>719859562
Vamp was originally a woman in the MGS2 manuscript. Tbh his character would only be improved if they genderswapped him.

>>719860016
You have the whiny nuclear nerd and Raiden's bitch wife to jerk off to, coomslave.

>>719859772
>1
Never
>2
Maybe

>>719860138
Stfu tranny

>>719860849
You literally want to turn a man into a woman.

>>719859340
And I get that, really, not for nothing I have played this since I was 7 yrs, so I get not all of this is for "muh graphics", but if Snake Eater can get that treatment so can Sons of Liberty

>>719859986
yeah and piss is mostly water whats your point peedrinker?

Are we going to get some new info on MC Vol. 2 on TGS?

Why does this place celebrate remakes now?

>>719861245
yeah that's cool. it is interesting to see something you have played 100x through a new lens. Even just to notice all the differences.
I just think so highly of these games, and I don't think I'm being overly critical, the remakes are sort of just "good enough". I wish they got more.

Like you look at RE1 remake, and that wasn't just some good enough port with better graphics. It felt like a passion project. I think MGS and Silent hill deserve that.

>>719855672 (OP)
isn't delta a specific title for Snake Eater? Other games probably will use other greek alphabet like theta or epsilon or whatever

how do i acces codex and where do you enable 144fps

>>719861474
Good point, probably Konami is just doing this out of the need for more money.
>>719859396
Explain to me how do you want them to make sense for Ocelot to suddendly look like Liquid instead of the stupid arm?

>>719855672 (OP)
>MGS becoming another zombie franchise living on through low effort slopshit demakes
I pray this doesn't happen

>>719861351
No. Hopefully they'll do another Production Hotline at the end of the year though.

>>719861590
I have no idea. We'll see what they do. Afaik if they call newer remakes anything but Delta, it would go against their original design philosophy for the 3 remake. So I guess if they called it MGSα Twin Snakes, the story would now be radically different?

>>719862116
Ohh I see, I didn't know they mentioned that. I was just assuming the delta is representing the number 3.

>>719855750
>20 dollars normie game released on more systems sells more than a 70 dollars niche game

>>719862238
I'm guessing the company chose the name "Delta" as an alternative for the word "Remake", since that term has a negative stigma behind it in marketing. It's the same reason why Capcom officially calls RE4R just "Resident Evil 4" for example. It's the same idea.

As to why they didn't keep the 3 ("Metal Gear Solid 3Δ"), which probably would have made a lot more sense for fans, my guess is that they wanted to bring in new players and not alienate them with a scary 3rd number entry. SH2 got the pass last year because it's a huge meme game that every zoomer already knows about thanks to Tiktok and essay videos on YouTube.

>>719859347
yes same dude

>>719859719
yes it is

Don't care much about more remakes of the Solid games, I wonder if they'd ever be ambitious enough to do a 3D remake of MG1 and 2 and call it MGS Zero or something. That would be very interesting and worthwhile.

>>719862259
metal gear solid is niche now?

>>719863284
>That would be very interesting and worthwhile.
no it wouldn't and it would flop fucking hard

>>719863402
He's right it would be interesting but only Metal Gear 2.

>>719858865
sure and they made these models just for delta

>>719863284
they already made that, it's called Metal Gear Solid

>>719857307
>they fired a hack and made a decent game out of his openslop toy box
I want a new game from Konami

>>719863284
they already made that, it's called Metal Gear Solid 3

>>719866118
>sure and they made these models just for delta
unironically yes

Remake the Acid games.

Is Fukushima still at Konami? Why don't they just pair him up with Temari and do MGS6 together. Kojima is literally completely unnecessary, he didn't even write the games. Those two did.

>>719866512
He made his own Acid 3 without Konami

>>719866604
O shit thanks for the rec

>>719856867
My only gripe with the Legacy Style is they didn't give it the Halo Anniversary treatment where you could swap back and forth on the fly somehow with the graphics

Mgs1 is the most Kino and best metal gear of all. Story and gameplay. Nothing even comes close. Maybe the final fist fight at the end of mgs4 comes close to the pure Kino of 1.

>>719866783
Story is debatable. I like MGS2's story better.

Gameplay is unquestionably 4. Most detailed CQC, weapon customization, OctoCamo and best stealth mechanics to date.

>>719866842
>hnnnngh colonel i found this famas rifle in an armory, send me an underbarrel grenade launcher and a laser module so I can style on these gnome soldiers skibidi style after consecutive CQCing them 24 times while donning "wolf feces" camo pattern

Which unusual symbol would they use for MGS1 remake? Delta worked quite well for a standalone remake, it denotes change and the uppercase letter has three corners.
They might actually go with Alpha, as in 'the first' - despite the MSX2 games etc etc.

>>719863284
They gotta acclimate MGS fans to accept remakes the same way Capcom conditioned RE fans to accept their remake no matter what. So you have to wait until a few games before Konami decides to remake the less desired installment like Portable Ops or something.

>>719866783
>Mgs1 is the most Kino and best metal gear of all.
How? Most of the cool stuff is copypasted from MG2

>>719857469
Kiefer made me realize, even with what little lines he had, how much better the Snake voice could be. Hayter's voice acting is now annoying the shit out of me in Delta.

>>719855672 (OP)
would have sold a lot more if they went an extra mile to expand original game with additional contend while getting kojima's blessing, maybe gave him some money to design a special feature or mode

>>719857469
Solidus' actor also died in 2017, shit sucks

>>719869258
No, only the worst parts were from MG2

>>719855775
>That is actually low sales for MGS.
That's 25% of OG Snake Eater lifetime sales in 1 day. That's 85% of original HD Collection lifetime sales in 1 day. That is around 14% of total lifetime sales of every single version of MGS3 in 1 day.
Cope harder, faggot

>>719866118
These are obscenely OP by the way, can't believe how hard that Battle Dress carried me on my Foxhound run

>>719871040
and how much of that million is "shipment"

>>719857469
Even normalfags are starting to realize how bad he is

>>719862435
>since that term has a negative stigma behind it in marketing.
No it fucking doesn't you delusional fuck, only /v/ and /v/tards on twitter have this rent free obsession with crying about remakes. Everyone else buys and enjoys

>>719857307
MGS isn't even Kojima's baby. He only told people what to do while he was sitting around and doing nothing, and later claiming laurels for how good the games were while sniffing his own farts. He'd waste lots of money trying to make games. I'm not defending Komani either, because they are jap equivalent to jews. Survive was Konami's retarded effort to get into mtx hell and excessive monetization, because they mainly wanted to get into mobile and gambling markets asap, and cut all ties with normal video games.
>>719857078
They could retcon or remake MGS4 because that game is trash and is straight up spit into people's faces.

>>719859093
MGO2 is probably the most fun I've had with any multiplayer game, I'd play it constantly. Shit like vampire or cqc / c4 only matches were so fun.

>>719869456
>how much better the Snake voice could be
Like a drunken fuck slurring every single syllable? Fucktard contrarians like you need to be summarily executed for the sake of society

>>719869456
He's fucking boring as a Snake, what you're talking about?

>>719871285
>straight up spit into people's faces
I cant help but feel kojima character assassinated SS to try and get out of making MGS.
He fucking killed off the main character.
Worse thing is he wrote himself into a corner so the story of that game is complete nonsense.

>>719871285
Nah, Kojima has a very clear style, so you can tell when he worked on a game.

The issue is that when he makes trash, it's specially highlighted by how fucking retarded it is compared to everything else.

>>719871383
nOOUughh MugHHHgh GruffFFF hAytehrrghhghg soOOo QuirKyyghhgh and funnyghghhth

Now they only have MGS2 up their sleeve since remaking MG1 is too expensive

Peace Walker remake next?

>>719871482
>He fucking killed off the main character.
It's actually insane how hard Snake gets fucked over
>rapid aging because his body is literally breaking down at a genetic level
>sterile AND his love interest marries a guy that looks like a younger, goofier version of him
>no indication he saw those dogs he was training ever again
>he didn't end shit, in fact the war economy just became even more brutal and widespread after his death
>iirc either his soul or an AI version of him is trapped into a sword for Raiden's use in killing "enemy targets"(read: anyone that gets in his way)

Being Snake fucking sucks ass.

>>719871921
I think Kojima just hated snake, It was always weird to me that MGS2 was marketed with the twist in mind that you weren't actually playing as snake when no one gave a fuck about MG1 and 2, MGS1 was the game people actually cared about and metal gear as a franchise might as well have started at MGS1.

>>719871921
>his love interest
he pumped and dumped her, lorelet

>people gave konami money for a censored version
This is good how?

>>719871482
Same. Playing TPP with 4 as first games and later the rest of series felt like a hard slap into face. Entire series is one clusterfuck that you can't be sure about and it shows how Kojima wanted to get the fuck out of Konami with MGS.
>>719871484
While Metal Gear is cinematic masterpiece as whole, the lore itself is a fucking mess without clear goals.

>>719872268
>make mgs1 and people love it
>build snake into an independent badass
>people are ass mad about it
>make mgs3, same story as mgs2 but you play as snake's dad who's a retard swindled by everyone
>it's a success
>decide to burn the series to the ground for good
he should've nuked the world like in hotline miami 2

>>719872268

I remember reading an interview around when MGS3 first launched, Kojima said he liked Big Boss more since he wasn't a clone (and Solid is). Then he proceeds to fuck over Solid in MGS4. Kinda funny considering the plot and thematic elements of MGS1 where they allude genes don't matter, having Solid kill Liquid as the "lesser" clone.

I kneel... Kojigod...

>>719872694
He was not involved. You are giving money to Konami.

>>719872468
>make mgs3, same story as mgs2
based retard

>>719872642
>hack didn't understand "his" game's story

>>719855838
Objectively correct if you look at their financials.
>the profit line going down with kojima
>suddenly constant growing after firing his vice president moneylaundering ass

>>719872642
>he liked Big Boss more
Funny, because players like Solid Snake most, while Big Boss is seen as literally who and was kept being written as biggest sociopath and villain as game series progressed, which made him look more and more reasonable and badass.

>>719872748
>the whole operation is a sham for american patriots to steal money from russkies
he made the same game three times

Is this the MGS thread? Can I ask about MGSV?
I'm not sure how to progress the story, Eli just stole Sahelanthropus, I'm out of missions to do and I've done all the yellow side-ops

>>719872806
This, true metal gear fans skip MSX slop

>>719872912
You turn it off, the game's over

>>719871285
Why the fuck would you let them ruin MGS4 and take its soul?

>>719871226
Hahaha

>clones
I can see it in Solidus and Solid to a lesser extent, but Liquid is just straight up male Eva.

That's a son bruh.

>>719872786
Technically yes, but Konami at the same time were getting pretty greedy, too, since they wanted to only focus on mobile market, TCGs, and pachinko, which ware nobrainer money makers.

>>719872746
It's his game.

>>719872989
I'm afraid I can't do that Colonel, it's not over yet

>>719872912
Its over, faggot. Kojima is a hack, got fired for wasting money, game is incomplete

It took Konami 4 years to make this remake. I'd imagine it would take longer to get MGS1 to the same level. Probably MGS2 about the same time.

I'm so fucking sick of waiting half a decade for the next game development. You'd think remakes don't have as much creative issues as real games would take, everything is already made. One day AI will be good enough to do this in less than a year. Fuck these long dev cycles for nu game devs. Even with all the extra time they couldn't even have multiplayer running.

>>719873029
They were doing pachinko since the 90s with Snake Eater machine being their last
Pic unrelated

>>719872912
FOB events. Half of TPP is all about FOBs

>>719873318
not necessarily, the groundwork has already been laid out. it's the same as SH2, SH1 and SH3 are going to come out in no time.

A MGS1 remake would probably expand on the map wouldn't it?

>>719855750
silksong costs 19 euros mgsΔ costs 80

>>719873514
It would have to, otherwise it can't justify a modern pricetag.

>>719859396
>android

>>719873318
>One day AI will be good enough to do this in less than a year.
By the time it happens, we probably won't even have video games anymore. AI is never good and always needs human input to make things work out.
>Fuck these long dev cycles for nu game devs.
Blame corporate wankery with retarded money laundering schemes. Game development taking too long is literally because of administration apparatus bloat.

>>719860138
HD Emma Emmerich would be kino

Eternal reminder Konami was always right, massively increased profits after firing Kojima, they never stopped making video games (just focused on Japan), western journos tried to paint Kojima's sacking as cruel and unusual when in reality they got fired in the usual way Japanese companies get rid of powerful executives (which Kojima was, being vice president at the time), and that the pachinko bullshit was also a western journo attempt at character assassination targeted at Konami (their gambling division literally never significant part of their business)

>>719873514
Not really, the last thing it needs is more backtracking or some shitty side quest. If anything they should condense the third building.
>>719859396
>just shove in all the crap I read about on tcrf, it'll make the game better for sure!

>>719859120
>They already said they are doing 3 because of it being the chronological
"They" can say anything they want, retard, but I'm definitely down for Pisswalker fags being delusional

>>719857078
>Its still a perfect game
mgs2 is the shittiesy game in the franchise you cock sucking faggot

>>719873045
It's a censored version of his game released after Konami kicked him out.

>>719873751
I wouldn't have given two shits if Konami filed bankruptcy as long as we got the complete version of V

>>719874654
Blame your poser auteur god.

>>719874652
>has double the porn posters
>censored

>>719874762
Enjoy simping for Konami.

>>719873751
>Eternal reminder Konami was always right
lmao
>Disbanded Team Silent
>Outscored Silent Hill
>Allowed Silent Hill HD Collection to exist
>Killed Silent HIlls
>Fucked up all relations with Kojima
>Made Snake Eater a Pachinko game
>MG Survive
***Chinese fly hits***
>Konami getting much less Pachinko money, because of an quarantine
>Ditched of Fox Engine in favor of UE5 even for Pro Evolution Soccer which now called eFootball
>MGS Master Collection was an almost lazy port of HD Collection
>Remember SH2? Outsourced SH2R to poles who made a bloated and buggy generic AAA UE5 title of It. Even an original game has more novelty now.
>Remember Snake Eater? Made Delta, which is a laggy and censored $70 UE5 mess. And they couldn't even made 1:1 modern copy of It, despite of trying to do so.
***you are here***
>Remember Silent Hill? Here's your outsourced to poles SH1R who made a bloated and buggy generic AAA UE5 title of It. Even an original game has more novelty now.
>Remember MGS2? ...

>>719855838
this

Death Stranding is all the proof you need that Konami were correct.

I love MGS games, but holy fuck they are max retarded

>>719873751
>being a simp for konami FOR FREE
God, you are pathetic.

>>719875036
That's a lot of words to cope

Why is this fag spamming the thread about Konami being right?

>>719875103
But Death Stranding is great

>>719855750
1 million copies for a 70 dollar game equals to 70,000,000 in base revenue.
Hollow Knight would need to sell 3.5 million just to match that.

>>719875273
Indie games don't waste nearly as much money as AAA studios.

>>719875342
Unless that game is "Undertale 2", Spilledbong would be lucky to even get one million.

>>719874215
Pleb tier filtered.
Its ironically the best game.
MGS3 is the shittiest mainline game. Fucking menu simulator

>>719875152
Son of whore, tell me, why I need to cope, when I'm not buying Konami slop?

fix the performance

put price tag at 20 bucks

THEN only then i will buy your game

>>719855672 (OP)
i'm glad its been successful, i think metal gear can continue without kojima, there are a few easy wins for a metal gear sequel even, make a game starring the boss and the cobras being in WW2, make a game starring Liquid in the middle east becoming a legend, make a remake of Metal Gear 1 and 2, these are all things fans were clamoring for while Kojima was at the helm and instead he shat on the heads of all fans with phantom pain, as a director he is washed, just make fun gameplay with good story featuring cool characters fans want to see and metal gear can continue

>>719875517
filtered by what? i finished the game
it was shit
go suck raiden cock faggot

>>719875719
>no counterpoint, just nonsense memes

go play your babysitting amazon delivery sim, jackass

>>719872268
He wanted to quit the series, but Konami didn't allow it, somehow this made him bitter towards Solid

Drop UE5 for fucks sake

>>719875741
>He doesn't understand what filtered means
how new

>>719855838
Firing him in the middle of development of their most anticipated game ever was fucking stupid. Wait for the release, wait for all the sales and accolades, then yell at him for going over-budget, then fire him.

>>719877135
Everyone who has a degree in "game design" only knows Unity and UE5. That's why they are forcing us to get $2000 gpus, they literally can't do anything else because all they know is to use what UE5 can offer and just push it as far as it can go.

>decide I'll finally do a pacifist run of mgs3
>accidentally shoot a few guys with the 1911 at one point because it looks like the tranq gun
>reload my save to undo it and take them out non-lethal
>finish the game
>results screen
>4 kills

>>719877135
For what? Proprietary engine with no tech and ps3 level graphics? yeah no one's falling for that shit again

>>719878136
you can check your stats at any time in your play through by pressing pause and going to the stats screen, it would have showed you that you still had 4 kills

>>719879142
>graphics
Who gives a shit other than Snoy monkeys?

>>719856329
MGS2 is the worst MGS

>>719879491
Oh, right, you're retarded and don't understand what a game engine does.

>>719878136
bosses count as kills too

>>719877805
>Firing him in the middle of development
>middle
>4+ years in dev min
>excluding Fox Engine development
>just wait for release

its pretty good. mc is more serious and it feels more like a combat operation game, aside from the stupid wacky shit that was already in the original game

>>719877805
what we can take away from what happened, is that he went far over budget
my guess is they saw the Quiet shit, looked at the budget numbers, got really pissed off, told him he needs to finish the game asap to meet a quarterly release date for investors and to avoid release dates for other big games coming out, and then he said he wanted more money and the game was only 2/3rd finished

>>719879597
nice goalpost moving there, shitskin

>>719878136
>first run
>no alerts
>3 kills
>no idea where because it was 0 before the final bike escape
Only thing I can even think it could have been was me tossing some stun grenades when the flying dudes chase you.

>>719858865
>Anon doesn’t know Peace Walker is MGS5 to kojima and that’s why Phantom Pain is only referred to as V and never 5 in official material

This actually doesn't seem great.

>>719878136
>>719880406
Does a pacifist run even grant you anything? I know that No Alerts gives you the stealth camo.

What is one thing that you would change about the Metal Gear lore?
Can be anything, big or small, but just the one.

>>719880768
Honestly, that Mei Ling and Naomi have American accents. It makes them both sound so boring outside of MGS1 and that brief MGS2 easter egg.

>>719866118
Sneaking suit could be an easy Ground Zeroes model port but the Battle Dress is the biggest indicator at a PW remake because it is so high quality compared to every other skin in the DLC

>>719880670
I think only if you want certain ranks like Foxhound or for the sake of doing it.

>>719880768
Retcon MGS4 entirely

>>719855672 (OP)
>Shipments
You can't be serious lmao
So what, 25k sales?

>>719880964
Retard

>>719880028
you're the one moving it >>719879491

>>719880768
The “solid snake get super old rapidly and just dies lol” it always felt like misery porn when I played MGS4.

>>719881031
What, is "sales" a slur now for companies? Gotta say players or shipments to not offend people?

>>719881247
It's translated poorly from Japanese, you actual retard

>>719881180
This was hinted at in MGS2 with Liquid telling Snake that their "genes are vintage" and that he's "drowning in time." Also Solidus was made after Solid and Liquid but has clearly aged far more quickly than them, hence why he fears dying without leaving his mark in history.

>>719881285
It says digital copies SOLD just fine, so clearly the words being used are different faggot

>>719880964
It sold 68k physical copies in Japan on PS5 this week alone, so no.

>>719857238
>METAL GEAR SOLID Δ: Peace Walker
As much as I want it, it doesn't work as a pure remake, they need to change the structure of the game a bit because the missions are super short since they were made for Japanese people to play on the train for commute.

>>719881954
MGSV is more or less the same structure. A main mission for PP runs like 10-15 minutes at most. PW is about 5-7 minutes. I do think they should bundle Portable Ops with Peace Walker

>>719871664
Hayter was really only bad in 4 and PW (where he was fucking abysmal)

He mogs the shit out of Keifer who just sounds bored as fuck and drunk.

>people on this board actually paid 70 bucks for complete unreal engine 5 sloppa
>not only that but are celebrating and dicksucking it and Konami

This place is just as bad as reddit now

>>719855672 (OP)
On one hand I'm not a fan of hyper realistic faces, on the other hand I'm ok with new players discovering mgs3 and the codec calls/voice actors weren't changed. So that's ok. I had a bad feeling about the game but I suppose I can give it a pass.

>>719882448
I still will promote og mgs3 over delta. But we got way way WAY worse ports and remasters from jewnami in the past even going all the way back to the silent hill collection.

>>719882489
The faces are fine

>>719882291
He should sound bored and drunk (like me right now)
I'd take him over hnggghghg failed screenwriter any day

>>719855672 (OP)
>walk 5 feet
>random appears proceeds to deliver anime monologue for 15 minutes
>kneel and contact support group to recap what literally just happened
>repeat
Ah yes, good video games

>>719882603
Alcoholism, not even once

>>719882704
You aren't playing MGS unless you are calling everyone on your codec all the time to hear their advice or autistic comments for every situation.
It's part of the reason the series lost its spark with Peace Walker.

>>719882841
Riveting gameplay

>>719872912
Watch the unfinished Lord of the Flies cutscenes on Youtube

>>719882603
I like the place the art style stands on PS2. They had outstanding texture work for a limited amount of polygons and memory allowed for textures and it fits the style.
Realism sucks out the edge, the atmosphere is dry, I'm not a fan. Let's make one thing crystal clear I'm not begging for worse graphics. I want things to be artistically interesting, see elden ring. The vistas look like painting and the lighting/fog is anything but realistic but that's making it interesting to immerge yourself into.

>>719882841
Even with mgs4 I was pissed with how less goofy and varied the codec calls were.

>>719871326
Based.

Did MGS 3's Level Design age well enough that with modern controls it still works?

>>719883265
You'd have a point if you were talking about PS1 graphics. PS2 just looks bad, especially character models

>>719883464
Yes, no one plays legacy mode. Only Ocelot’s fight and The Fear’s are any easier

>>719871040
MGSV made back its absurd budget in 3 days
MGS2 and 4 were in the top five best selling games on their launch consoles

>>719855672 (OP)
I hate this faceapp smiling meme.

Is there any reason to play this over the original

>>719887523
not really, maybe if you really like duel mode or top down camera (legacy mode sucks)

Kojima lost.

>>719866118
The one on the right Is lifted off from GZ
>>719887523
Yes, it has better balance and movement, it's more like V

>>719855672 (OP)
>did better than Death Stranding 2
lmao take that kojimbo
>>719855750
silksong is literally being sold at $10 in 3rd world countries so not really surprising.

I’m fine with delta, kinda worried about them touching MGS2, but a new metal gear will be a disaster for sure. They can’t do it without Kojima. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

>>719887834
>The one on the right Is lifted off from GZ
Sadly I don't have the games installed to prove you wrong, but you are wrong

>>719888129
It'll be okay, journos and kojimadrones will seethe but the game will be just okay

>>719855672 (OP)
As long you cattle keep buying remakes they will keep making them.

>>719887523
punching volgin is more satisfying

>>719888129
>a new metal gear will be a disaster for sure

give one reason why this is the case outside of the cheap cashgrab that was metal gear survive

>>719888440
hell yeah

>>719888203
I win then lol

>>719862259
>MGS
>niche

>>719855816
4-2-1 is better

>>719860016
a woman vamp would be fucking shit

>I see it!! The Cunny!
I feel like Kojima went a little too far with this.

>>719881180
what a shit want

>>719882593
shut the fuck up you brought the game you're a faggot

>>719888129
just get hayter to write it and the mgs1 guy and the nip that helped kojima

>>719863302
>>719888959
Stealth games aren't very popular. A lot of people have heard of MGS but not all of them have played it, let alone beaten it

>>719861268
I only drink lolipee

>>719890436
Sorry bro maybe seeing Snake slowly dying for about 6 hours in MGS4 was an unenjoyable experience

>>719890732
Yeah he should've had a wholesome gay sex with otacon for 6 hours while cunny was making omlette with aunt naomi

Legs!

>>719891104
If they wanted to have old fuck snake, then he should have just been support with Ninja Raiden as the protagonist. I just felt retarded playing operator as a turkey necked geriatric having to save the world while struggling with back pain

>>719891474
MGS turned into a full blown western with 3 and 4 is the kind of film where the old hero dies

I did it

My first mgs game, what difficulty should i play on.

>>719891970
Hard, Bosses are joke on Normal but Extreme might be a bit too much for your first time

>>719891970
Hard. Normal might be a bit too easy and I wouldn't start on Extreme because you'd just get frustrated.

>>719855672 (OP)
1 million chumps

>>719855672 (OP)
Are they ever gonna make something new? Make a Liquid game or Snake doing his philanthropy stuff or Snake and Raiden raiding Area 51 to save Sunny. Who wants nothing but remakes?

>>719892806
No, what would be the point, does anyone really want these irrelevant side stories when the main plot has already been told? Kojima spent his last two games telling stories that didn’t need to be told because he basically wrote himself into a corner after 4.

>>719892806
>Are they ever gonna make something new?
this game was basically training before making a new game

>>719891774
Congrats bro.

>>719892806
>wahh endless remakes
>wahh new games without kojima
i'm glad they're doing something

So where does it fall

>>719890732
>>719890732
how he got a good ending just got to live and chill with his bro
i would of rather either him ending the meme and shooting himself or the gov gunning him and octocoon down

>>719893719
On par, it's the exact same game with modern controls, but it's also a bit off, as I couldn't shake up the enemies that were lying down. It only worked with The End.

>>719893719
Upgrade, if legacy mode reverted to old textures and models (that are in the game files) and couple other little things could've been a replacement

>>719893930
The laying down holdup is really inconsistent because it only works on one laying down animation for guards. You can consistently activate it however by grabbing them and then throwing them forward

>>719894191
I mean the ability to get item from held up enemies on the ground as well

>>719891104
Kino

>>719875667
I still dont get why they place so much importance on liquid yet they havent given him his own game yet. We barely know anything about him. MGSL needs to be next if anything

>>719858697
Csgo is not even available anymore

>>719888547
I never got to do this or the cqc counters for the boss because i decided to play on keyboard and suck at it

>>719891774
Holy autism

>>719890680
You have no idea what you're talking about

Delta did not even reach 20k on steam, I assume 80% sales were on consoles?

They made Delta look like fucking Tekken. Zero style consistency

>>719891774
Umm, why did they steal the Super bunny hop guy logo?

>>719895980
It's always been a console series primarily.

>>719855672 (OP)
Can someone tell me all the changes to the boss fights?
I know the pain's been reworked and the stun grenade trick doesn't work on the fear now.
Anything else?

>>719891774
I'll never forget how in the original I missed a peaceful no-alert run by 1 single "kill"...
All because I went lethal on Volgin during the first phase of that fight where he was on the shagohod. I thought that since there was a second phase following it, blasting his ass wouldn't matter.

>>719895980
>>719897923
Meanwhile, a literal decade ago

>>719898605
>An entirely new game performed better than a remaster

lol?

>>719891774
how the FUCK do you beat this game in 2 hours without being seen?

>>719898846
see >>719898795

>>719899039
I don't see how "Resident Evil 2", "Resident Evil 3", and "Resident Evil 4" are "entirely new games".

>>719898846
>a fucking leaf

>>719899097
They are remakes that play completely differently than the original and almost entirely new maps.

>>719899217
>They are
Remasters.

>>719899217
Stop the cope

>>719899258
A remaster would be an entirely new cleaned up recording featuring the original track, probably taken from original tape and transfered to newer media
A remake would be the band or its replacement members getting back together for recording a new master
Obviously this is a bit more complicated a scenario than music, due to videogames, but the basics are still there
A remaster would be Legacy Collection for instance
We wouldn't get the artists together for a remaster in studio, that kind of thing is usually by one tech in studio or a director

>>719899258
>>719899414

>>719899614
>>719899630
It's literally no different.
Nobody bought Resident Evil 2 or 4 because they were "brand new games", they bought them because they were good remasters.

>>719855672 (OP)
Remakes of the rest of the games are certainly coming. I just wonder how MGS2 will perform.

>>719899818
>Nobody bought Resident Evil 2 or 4 because they were "brand new games"
Then why did people buy the originals?

the most freeing thing I ever did was realize that video games aren't made to be fun, they're made to extract money from people. I realized this way back when Diablo III came out and had it reaffirmed when MGSV released. when will (You) finally come around?

>>719900028
The real question is, why did nobody buy an MGS game that advertised itself as a brand new title?

>>719900173
MGS1 was an insanely popular PS1 title and MGS2 was a Halo 2 tier release event. This is of course relative to the wide spread accessibility and market success of video games now so I know you are gonna keep arguing for no reason because you are incapable of relative thinking.

>>719900173
see >>719855672 (OP)

>>719900290
>talks about things completely irrelevant to the point
I'm talking about MGS Delta, which advertised itself as a brand new game.
>>719900302
See >>719898605

>>719900173
Because MGS has aged more than the old people would like to know. Its starting to look like Star wars to people, as in nobody cares about it anymore. its a thing of the past.

>>719900042
>when will (You) finally come around?
when I stop having money

>>719871261
>No it fucking doesn't you delusional fuck
Wrong.
The DE-make fatigue is very real, and even normies are starting to understand the Unreal 5 plague.

>>719900352
Does one million sales mean nobody bought it?
Does MGSV (a game that is far easier to run) having more players mean nobody bought Delta?

>>719898605
For further context, MGSV had the tenth largest launch for the year it released in.
MGS Delta on the other hand couldn't even crack the Top 60 with four months of the year still being left. It debuted behind
>Oblivion Remastered
>Stellar Blade (port)
>Grand Theft Auto V Enhanced (Remaster, and yes, it is a separate title)
>Fantasy Life i (borderline mobage shit)
>RuneScape Draognwilds (fucking Runescape)
>Assassin's Creed Shadows
>Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (port)
>The Last of Us Part II Remastered (Remastered port of a years old game nobody liked)
>Spider Man 2 (years old port of a game nobody liked)
>the DEMO for Stellar Blade (port)

>>719855672 (OP)
I'd be careful posting these smug pics mgs fags. 1 mil people eating slop isn't anything to be happy about

>>719877894
>$2000 gpus
Or you can spring for AMD, and so long as it isn't chinese nightmare shit like Black Myth Wukong being optimized solely for NVIDIA, you can basically 1440p for $400-700. Unless you ABSOLUTELY have to have the newest stupid shit in the market for raytracing and other things.

>>719871226
Nobody gives a shit about retarded normalfag opinions

>>719875036
This. Anyone shilling for Konami are either shills or zoomies that were literally too young to remember how badly they fucked their entire catalogue.

>>719857530
Yeah, and Akio Ootsuka has the vocal range to support that. He did both Solid and Solidus back in MGS2 and they sounded completely distinct, but Hayter's Solid and Naked sound fucking identical (despite Ootsuka playing up various traits of Naked to make him sound distinct).
Hayter just isn't a good VA. He can do one voice and that's it.

>>719900549
Everyone stopped caring about Star Wars not because it looked dated, but because Disney ran it straight into the fucking ground. MGS is just as good as it always has been, it's just that a remaster on the scale of MGS3 is really only enjoyable for old fans, and even then the same experience can be had for free instead of paying $70. What's more, remakes are becoming increasingly oversupplied, causing an equivalent drop in demand. They still sell well, but interest in them is slowly waning.

>>719903646
Are we really going to do this? Pretend that Hayter was not iconic and a major part of the reason we played the fucking games back in the day, just because Kojima replaced him with Sutherland? Fucking hell I just want to go back, this place is too fucking stupid now

>>719903940
Kids these days dont know what metal gear is just like star wars

>>719866470
acid 1 snake is one of my favorite incarnations of him desu

>>719904195
>Pretend that Hayter was not iconic and a major part of the reason we played the fucking games back in the day,
Maybe for you, but I really didn't like him and that's why I imported the games.

>>719904392
Well yes, because the mind behind the entire series was fired and the last game released in the series was almost a decade ago. Kids these days don't know a lot of things, why would they be aware of a game series that peaked like 20 years ago now?

>>719904621
How many people of the millions and millions that played the MGS series do you think imported the game to play it in Japanese? Be serious.

Happy for them, but this is the only game they can remake without things going to shit, with the exception of 4
Those are the only two games they can do a 1:1 on. Any other game, especially MG1/2 and MGS1/2 would require drastic changes for the m to work on a realistic engine (this isn't even mentioning the gameplay). The moment you start touching things you risk fucking everything up
They already fucked up performance wise with a game that already had a finished blueprint 20 years ago. Imagine if they needed to come up with new shit

>>719904735
Very few, but that doesn't preclude me from saying my part, which is that Hayter is an incredibly bad actor.
In fact, I think a lot of people here are reactionary retards who hate the MGS dubs retroactively because the current ideal of /v/ is hating dubs.
But that's not gonna change my stance, which is that David Hayter is among the lowest bars for voice acting in the professional industry, and the only reason he gets any work is because he got lucky with MGS.

>>719904879
he's really not a bad actor at all, he just plays Snake exactly as he is. He doesn't have range because Snake doesn't have much range himself. The fact that he is not as talented as his Japanese counterpart doesn't mean that he's not good at what he does, it sounds like you just personally really don't like his performance.

>>719905312
>he just plays Snake exactly as he is. He doesn't have range because Snake doesn't have much range himself.
Snake is Akio Ootsuka. Ootsuka plays him with infinitely more range than Hayter ever has.

>>719855672 (OP)
rising 2 and mgs1 remake on the way

>already did everything in delta
>after fox hunt drops, no more mgs related content for who knows how long
I need my fix man

>>719905450
I never contested that, none of that makes Hayter a bad actor, it just means that Otsuka is a better actor.

>>719905721
>fails to act out the role he was given well
That means he's a bad actor.
What especially means he is a bad actor is that, again, his performances sound exactly the same, with the only change being his own aging voice, resulting in the painfully embarrassing PW performance where he sounds like a decrepit old man.

>>719906239
He failed to act the role as well as his Japanese counterpart, that doesn't mean he acted poorly it just means his range wasn't as high. His performances sound the same because the characters are the same. You're not seriously going to pretend that Naked Snake is markedly different from Solid Snake in the way they behave, are you?

>>719906446
>that doesn't mean he acted poorly
That does mean he acted poorly.
His role, as a dub voice actor, is to replicate the original performance. He failed to do that.
>His performances sound the same because the characters are the same.
Big Boss and Solid Snake are not the same character. They only sound identical because again, Hayter is not a good actor.

>>719858646
>They are interested in revengeance for some reason.

>>719906550
>His role, as a dub voice actor, is to replicate the original performance. He failed to do that.
His role is not to imitate the Japanese actor's performance. None of the characters in the entire series did that.

>Big Boss and Solid Snake are not the same character. They only sound identical because again, Hayter is not a good actor.
They act the same. They are literally clones. They should sound the exact same.

I'm sad because I can't have sex with Ocelot..

>>719906659
>His role is not to imitate the Japanese actor's performance.
That is the role of any actor who dubs something. Their role is closer to utility rather than art.
>They act the same. They are literally clones. They should sound the exact same.
Unfortunately for you, they are markedly different characters and that's how Kojima chose to portray them when it came to how they are presented, both in their actions as well as in their voices. Otherwise, he would've had Ootsuka voice Big Boss in MGS4.

>>719906934
>That is the role of any actor who dubs something. Their role is closer to utility rather than art.
No it is not. His job was not to imitate his Japanese counterpart. That was never a thing and none of the other actors were remotely similar to the performance of their Japanese counterparts either

>Unfortunately for you, they are markedly different characters and that's how Kojima chose to portray them when it came to how they are presented, both in their actions as well as in their voices. Otherwise, he would've had Ootsuka voice Big Boss in MGS4.
They aren't different characters. They act the exact same in almost all situations. If they were that markedly different then Akio wouldn't have voiced Big Boss in MGSV, but he did. You sound like you have a personal vendetta against Hayter.

>>719907316
>They aren't different characters. They act the exact same in almost all situations
You realize the entirety of MGS3 was Naked Snake being presented a similar situation to what both Solid and Raiden went through and being the ONLY one to fully fall for every bit of manipulation, right?
That was the point of the game.
>If they were that markedly different then Akio wouldn't have voiced Big Boss in MGSV, but he did.
And he still provides a distinct performance. It's just when the two have conversations with each other, which is the case in MGS4, he doesn't voice Big Boss.

>>719906859
Hi Big Boss

>>719907483
>You realize the entirety of MGS3 was Naked Snake being presented a similar situation to what both Solid and Raiden went through and being the ONLY one to fully fall for every bit of manipulation, right?
I'm not discussing plot of MGS3, I'm discussing the characters of Solid and Naked Snake. They emote the exact same as one another. There is absolutely no reason that Hayter would have a completely different voice for them. When MGS3 came out there was confusion from those unfamiliar with the series specifically because they look and act the same. You're really stretching credulity here.

>And he still provides a distinct performance. It's just when the two have conversations with each other, which is the case in MGS4, he doesn't voice Big Boss.
Yes, but that defeats your point. If it were that relevant, he would have used Chikao instead of Akio for at least Ground Zeroes but he didn't. It illustrates that the reason for the use of Chikao in MGS4 was to give an analogue to a father-son relationship much as the actors in real life, NOT because they are two distinctly different characters.

>>719907840
>I'm not discussing plot of MGS3, I'm discussing the characters of Solid and Naked Snake.
That's their fucking characters retard.
>They emote the exact same as one another.
They don't, that's why their roles play out so differently.
This is retarded.

>>719906550
>is to replicate the original performance
Blame the voice director

>>719908461
>That's their fucking characters retard.
No it isn't. The characters act the exact same from MGS 1 and 2 to 3.

>They don't, that's why their roles play out so differently.
You're extremely delusional if you are under the impression that Solid and Naked had markedly different behaviors. Even in MGSV Venom acts exactly the same as BB lol

How would they call a soldier even greater than Big Boss? Massive Boss?

Remake when?

>>719909194
Hopefully never, it's great the way it is. Actually so bad it's good.

>>719908985
Big Black Boss

What did /v/ think of the 3 new secret threater movies?[

>>719855750
silksong is a $20 new game this is a $70 remake of a game that you can emulate in 4k for free already and it still looks good

>>719909396
All the new animations made specifically for Secret Theater looked like those animations in those (fake?) Chinese games ads

I liked the jokes tho

>>719909194
Why are girls so hot bros

>>719909194
I've been meaning to replay this for years. What's the best emulator for PSP these days?

>>719877805
That's how you give people the power to sabotage you.

>>719855672 (OP)
I'm trans, btw

>>719858453
why did you post this blank image?

>>719910135
im playing it on ppsspp atm and it seems fine

>>719858453
05 zoomer here I pre ordered the deluxe edition

>>719911651
>Pre order
>A digital game

Cannot wait for the Chinese to wipe all you retards out

>>719911971
I was gonna buy it on release anyway does it matter

Next game leak

>Game has a camera for the original
>But not substance which I played

>>719911274
Sick, got everything all up and running. Excited to go through it again, 20 years since my original playthrough damn

>>719912085
You don't know why people used to pre order games, so yeah, it matter

Dumb zoomer

>>719887523
Enemies are smarter, The Pain is actually a bossfight now, stealth is more fun, CQC is better and juicier, it looks very stunning in some instances.

>>719913287
Sounds like a you problem

>>719858674
this is outdated now we need panchiko, deus ex memes and "aesthetic" visual novels like bag inside a bag of milk inside a bag of estrogen

This might be my favorite game ever bros. I love how mgsv plays but I hated how little story it had and the fact you play as dollar store Big Boss. This game has everything I wanted

>>719913901
MGS3 has the absolute worst fucking story in the entire series, Kojima went full nuclear and completely retconned Japan from even being involved in WW2 or 1, for that matter.

It's retarded

>>719914852
>MGS3 has the absolute worst fucking story in the entire series

>>719855672 (OP)
This shit barely feels like a remake. It's literally the same game but with mods. What an absolute scam

>>719914960
A seething speedreading midwit made this image btw

>>719915132
Yeah if you play in fucking legacy mode

>>719914960
At least MGS4 takes place in the future. Nothing will ever top the complete Japanese hack nonsense of 3. Two bombs weren't enough.

>>719914852
funny reason to hate the game, zhang
>>719914960
MGS4 is a product of MGS3, so yes, it all went downhill there

>>719915132
I wish MGS mods were this good, but...

>>719862259
excellent bait

>>719915652
>Third game in the series literally retcons real life history and also the previous two games in the series that acknowledged Japan was nuked

Are you retarded? You don't understand the problem here?

>>719903646
>shitting on Doyle

please kys yourself

Do Kojima drones really not understand the story of MGS3 and how Kojima replaced Japan, with... China? The country that Japan invaded and committed genocide against for over a decade?

>>719915908
Seems like a sensitive topic for you, I bet you're glad Snake didn't go after Chinese philosophers

>Japan din do nuffin...
>It was.... CHINA!

Did you like it?!

>>719903646
No, Hayter's Naked sounds 20 times more retarded than Solid.

>>719859093
Is MGO2 really filled with exploit abusing players? shame I kinda wanted to give it a try emulated.

>>719916318
My favorite part of MGS3 is how China was a super power during WW1, and most certainly did not get invaded by Japan

: )

>MGS1 - Japan gets nuked at the end of WW2....for reasons unknown
>MGS2 - Japan might have been bombed for some reason
>MGS3 - Japan was neutral in both world wars

Do japs really expect me to turn my brain off, and not realize they're re writing history?

>>719916837
It's been a long time since I played MGS3, where was it said that Japan was neutral in both world wars? I don't remember any of this talk about China doing what Japan did in WWII.

>>719917035
Replay it again, China literally replaces Japan as the major warring power of Asia in both world wars during the new "history" presented in MGS3. It's even called a super power for Christ sake

>>719917257
When did they say that? Like what part? I remember the Chinese spy angle with Eva but I want to hear where they say that specific part about China basically taking the place of Japan.

>>719917351
>When did they say that? Like what part?
Literally the entire game, that's entire plot point of the legacy

>>719917257
Which China ?

>>719917517
Okay, I'm starting to think you're just inventing a plot point anon. China being involved in the Philosopher's Legacy does not mean that Japan was not involved in WWII and did not attack them or be involved in either war. It means that China was one of the three major powers involved in the Legacy. How does that swap China out for Japan? At all?

>>719917668
He's dumb, The West™ and Soviets split nazi gold while China was feasting on the radiated corpse of Japan. Nazis = Losers and got their money and power stolen by kikes and chinks (cuntfaced kikes)

>>719916837
>>719917257
>>719917517
You are in every single MGS3 thread ranting about China. I don't know if you're a brainlet or just a schizo, probably both.

The only time China is mentioned is when they talk about the philosophers who were a group of rich fagotts from America, Russia and China. That's fucking it.

>>719917862
>>719917668
Volgin literally says China, Russia, and America were the super powers of BOTH WW1 and 2.

Have you people even played this game?!

>>719917949
But what about muh rape of nanjing!

>>719855672 (OP)
>same game but with worse graphics

You pathetic negroes

>>719917979
Yes, as I have already said I did. Which part does he say that, and why does it mean Japan wasn't involved in WWI or II and was neutral? Like are you saying since Volgin didn't mention the UK that the UK wasn't involved in the war????

>>719917949
>That's fucking it.
>China
>The Super power that won ,WW1
>AND 2....

>>719918173
"Very well. I'll explain it before I kill you. During the last Great War, the most powerful men in America, China, and the Soviet Union had a secret pact. The pact was a blueprint for defeating the Axis Powers and creating a new world order. To secure victory in the war, the three countries pooled their resources to conduct the most covert types of operations and research - the atomic bomb, rocket technology, and the Cobra unit... And they amassed an enormous sum of money to fund these projects. Enough to fight the war five times over... That wealth is the Philosopher's Legacy."

Now I am sure you are entirely wrong. Japan was 100% involved in the Axis powers

>>719863302
>>719888959
>>719915854
5 is 10 years old. It's niche for zoomers

>>719918091
Japan was the major warring Asian country of both WW1 and WW2, China did not invade anybody...

In MGS3 lore, Japan is quite literally replaced with China. I understand you're probably a historylet zoomer, but even if that is the case, MGS3 sets itself apart from MGS1 and 2 and completely re writer history for its own game. So even at the end of the day, even if you're a fucking moron with no clue about actual history, MGS3 rewrites its own canon and has nothing to do with the previous games

: /

>>719918346
Japan did not fight in either world war in MGS3.

>>719918519
>Japan was the major warring Asian country of both WW1 and WW2, China did not invade anybody...
I never said they did.

>In MGS3 lore, Japan is quite literally replaced with China. I understand you're probably a historylet zoomer, but even if that is the case, MGS3 sets itself apart from MGS1 and 2 and completely re writer history for its own game. So even at the end of the day, even if you're a fucking moron with no clue about actual history, MGS3 rewrites its own canon and has nothing to do with the previous games
You are completely inventing a plot out of whole cloth.

https://www.neoseeker.com/mgs3/faqs/134223-metal-gear-solid-3-sub-script.html

This is literally the entire script of the game. China is mentioned 7 times. None of it ever says that China replaced Japan in any way. It does say that the primary Philosophers were in the USA, SU, and China, but that is NOT the same thing as saying China replaced Japan. So you're 100% full of fucking shit.

>>719918618
Point out where this is said, I am pretty sure you are full of shit

>>719857960
>presumably didn't keep a source around for Twin Snakes
They should ask NoA, those guys are autistic about preserving the source code of every game they've made.
It's why Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE for the Switch had to use the English build, because Atlus lost their copy so the only one left was the NoA version.

>>719918519
>In MGS3 lore, Japan is quite literally replaced with China
Where exactly is that stated in the game?

>>719918618
>Japan did not fight in either world war in MGS3.
Where exactly is that stated in the game?

>>719859396
>Restore Colonel AI Ghost Babel portrait
What the fuck, they removed this? When? How?

>>719918519
>Japan was the major warring Asian country of both WW1 and WW2, China did not invade anybody...
>In MGS3 lore, Japan is quite literally replaced with China. I understand you're probably a historylet zoomer, but even if that is the case, MGS3 sets itself apart from MGS1 and 2 and completely re writer history for its own game. So even at the end of the day, even if you're a fucking moron with no clue about actual history, MGS3 rewrites its own canon and has nothing to do with the previous games
>: /

Did you know?

Japan is not mentioned a single time in MGS3, making it the only install of the original trilogy where the home country of Konami and Kojima is not not named once. Conversely, China, a country rarely mentioned in previous games, is responsible for the bombings of pearl harbor, according to game's lore.

>>719919112
Nope:

[Later on, Snake is eating BBQ'd snake. EVA sidles over.]

Snake: "Want some?"

EVA: "No thanks..."

Snake: "Don't like snakes?"

EVA: "Not for dinner."

Snake: "Didn't you have to eat them at the KGB?"

EVA: "In my training we always got the good stuff. French, Italian...
that kind of thing..."

Snake: "A regular Mata Hari."

EVA: "The least you could do is call me Cynthia."

Snake: "Tell me something. How does it feel to spy on your own country?"

EVA: "I can't say it feels good. But it's my job."

Snake: "Can't even eat a snake during a mission, huh..."

EVA: "I wouldn't mind eating you. When this mission is over, you'll have
to treat me to a nice dinner."

Snake: "What do you want to eat?"

EVA: "Let's see...how about sushi?"

Snake: "Sushi?"

EVA: "It's Japanese. I hear it's all the rage right now. Supposedly, it's
made from raw fish."

Snake: "Raw fish? Just the place for my survival techniques."

>>719918408
sick meme

>>719919112
>Conversely, China, a country rarely mentioned in previous games, is responsible for the bombings of pearl harbor, according to game's lore.
Literally never mentioned or suggested a single time, ever.

so one schizo (whos probably a chink shill) is making shit up and seething ITT?

>>719919112
the tokyo olympics are mentioned and paramedic has that whole godzilla talk

>>719919328
Yeah, pretty much.

>>719919703
Also the Calorie Mates you can get, produced by a Japanese company

Fucking Kojima drones

HOW THE FUCK IS CHINA A SUPER POWER IN WW1?!

>>719918987
It's glitched

>>719919112
Who fucking cares about Pearl Harbor in the first place? Whoever did it, we should have let it slide, just like we did with Israel when they sank the U.S.S. Liberty.

>>719920023
Bluepoint HD massacre

CHINA WAS A SUPER POWER
CHINA IS A SUPER POWER
CHINA WILL BE A SUPER POWER

they have to do delta portable ops next, it would be the easiest shit ever since the original game is like 75% MGS3 assets

>>719919824
>Calorie mates have japanese writing on them!

This is the best they can do

>>719920578
What? What are you talking about? CalorieMate is a Japanese product.

>>719920567
>actually telling the story from mgs4 exposition dumps
>building into peace walker with forming of patriots and cipher
all they have to do, original pops story is a cursed blend of tasteless mgs1 parallels and nothing because we can't spoil mgs4 lore dumps

Only brown people buy remakes... and only brown people work on remakes. Product by brown for brown.

>>719922226
But I am white, and I buy remakes.

Please fucking port MGS4 already holy shit

>>719872912
literally just do more side ops, even just regular ones. you are in the "race" chapter, which means "arms race" as much as it means "racial ingroup". just keep developing MB and weapons and clearing side ops. you won't have to do that many before you get more missions.
also, remove the butterfly emblem from your logo is you have it equipped.

>>719918796
I can imagine that it being Nintendo of America is why they'd never be able to get a backup in the first place if it was porting a game made for the Gamecube to anything else. They'd sooner slap that shit on the NSO than let someone port it to other platforms.

>>719924467
Incorrect, the problem would be entirely on Konami's end where they would refuse to release entirely or charge Nintendo to much for putting it on NSO.
This is one of the big reasons the VC died, publishers opted to just create their own little ecosystems to release their old games rather than go through Nintendo.

>>719924701
Well, who knows, maybe Master Collection Vol. 2 will have it? Maybe that's half of why it's taking so long, we'll see as we go. It would be interesting to approach that remake without Dolphin's finicky nature involved, not that I consider it "good" but still a major historical footnote at least.

>>719898058
mostly cheese strats getting nerfed but also doing the konami code on the MAP screen while fighting the end will just have him make fun of you

>MGS3 completely retcons the entire trilogy
At what point do you just accept that the series is retarded and move on?

You don't have to defend Kojima's retardation

>>719924828
>Well, who knows, maybe Master Collection Vol. 2 will have it?
Most likely not given they need to focus on unfucking 4.
Plus they'd need to remove the nintendo Easter eggs.
Best chance for a Twin Snakes re-release is on the NSO, but they'd also need to do some tweeks like they did the the MC for MGS for psycho mantis' memory card reading.

>>719860138
lol zoomer bitch
more hot women is always the correct choice

If big boss is supposed to be the ultimate soldier why is he designated to sneaking missions?

>>719928669
Stealth and espionage can be much more beneficial in the modern era than just straight one-man armies.

>>719859938
I hate that you're right lol

>>719925327
not mgs3 you retarded fuck mgs4

>>719919112
he also never mentioned the holohaox kojima knows the truth

>>719932886
I never noticed that, interesting

>>719855672 (OP)
>1 million total physical shipments AND sales
must have done pretty bad if they're obfuscating with physical shipments which is physical copies sent out to warehouses and stores not physical copies being sold to customers

>>719924254
>also, remove the butterfly emblem from your logo is you have it equipped.
what, why?

>>719933481
if you go to the english account it just says copies sold

>>719857772
MIND=BLOW

>>719855672 (OP)
>shipped
Jesus that is a pathetic

kojimbo

>>719890082
Naomie....

ok boys, hear me out:
the whole series is absolute dog shit
metal gear is OK since it wasnt mega retarded and had shit like rolling barrels for the sake of gameplay

Doomers still coping lmao

>>719933518
Not that anon.
It's what's preventing the story from moving forwards. That logo is associated with Quiet, and something will happen if you remove it and already have a strong bond with her.

>>719855838
agreed.

Kojimbo fell into retardation with mgs4 and never got over it. peace walker was interesting but shit, ground zeroes was a big step up and then followed up with the cancer that was phantom pain's god awful mission and wack story.
Death stranding was the nail in the coffin for me, and I still cant believe he got enough funding to make a second one which also looks like shit.

>>719857238
>Ghost Babel
if they want a new direction to go with. they can build a sequel to it

>>719933858
why do you retards shit yourselves over this
https://x.com/Metalgear/status/1963995734774108238

They'll either do MGS4 or Peace Walker if they don't just make MGS6 or another spinoff

Probably Peace Walker, it seems the easiest to slap onto the already there gameplay of Delta

>>719888129
I actually agree with this. I'm glad that they are remaking the games, hoping they do a Peace Walker remake and decide to expand it to be more similar to V (far bigger maps, more open world like), while retaining all the original sketch shots and translating them to real cutscenes.

However, the people who think Konami would be able to make a "good" (this is subjective because a lot of people think Kojima is a hack) MGS without Kojima, are retarded.

People like to point out Ghost Babel, but the only reason that game is good was because Tomokazu Fukushima wrote it, who was the co-writer of the original trilogy, if anyone would be able to successfully translate the "Kojima" feeling to new games it would be him, no one else, so alas, any new MGS game won't feel consistent with the brand that is MGS.

>>719859396
Some of the conversations despite being face to face done via codec is that codec is more secure way to do communication than face to face talking.

>Both retarded faggots who took all credit for their early success
>managed to convince everyone they were the driving force behind the success of (starwars/metalgear)
>both got full creative control over future projects
>both made absolute horrendous products with a few redeemable qualities of which mindless fanboys clung onto as copium
>both eventually removed from their work

KOJIMBOBROS...

KOJIMBROS?!?!?

KOJIMBOBROS~!!!!!!!

>>719915652
Yeah, MGS3 is where it jumped the shark a bit.

>>719934576
weird
but I killed her during her mission, does that mean I can't beat the story

>>719936034
I have never killed her in any of my playthroughs, so I can't help you. There is one more important mission that it's not related to Quiet tho, which is the game's "official" ending, so you should probably still be able to unlock that, I believe.

>>719936202
yeah I heard she makes the game piss easy and also unbearably cringe so I offed her