Thread 720237973

Now that most of us have beat it, rate it 1-10 (rate Hollow Knight as well for comparison)

7.5/10 compared to Hollow Knights' 5/10

Pros
>combat feels pretty good
>movement feels exceptional
>consistent movement upgrades that feel great to whip around the map
>tons of varied and challenging bossfights that are satisfying to learn
>more linear with subtle guidance (similar to Super Metroid) compared to the aimless wandering and incessant backtracking of the first game
>nice to play a game that isn't afraid to be fuck you levels of difficult
>platforming feels a lot better than the first game
>great artstyle/aesthetic

Cons
>map is too big and the game has too much content (unironically)
>extremely sparse weapon, health, and silk upgrades
>crests and charms both almost near useless and extremely poorly implemented
>tons of time-wasting fetch quests (that are required for the true ending)
>some overly long runbacks
>too many flying enemies and too many HP-tanky enemies, and there is little incentive to fight them instead of running right past
>rosary prices are too high in Act 1
>powerfarming earns you rosary beads at a rate 10-20x faster than just normal exploration
>shard costs are too high (assuming you don't just powerfarm like above and max out on shard bags)
>weapon range still feels like ass, especially since you have to get so close to erratically moving enemies when every single enemy in the game deals contact damage
>vignette effect on low HP is really annoying
>game pause on parry is really annoying
>bilewater (just everything about it)

>>720238008
>map is too big and the game has too much content (unironically)
zoomers when the game is not a cheevo checklist

i havent beaten it yet cause ive been straight jorking it to bbw hornet art since friday

>>720237973 (OP)
HK: 8.5/10
Skong: 9/10

>>720238198
Retard. Zoomers are the ones obsessed with muh content, regardless of its quality, flow, and pacing.

>>720238008
That's a lot more cons than pros

>>720238363
he did give it a 7.5, anon
that's 50% higher than an average score

>>720238357
ok zommer

7/10 pre-patch 0/10 after forced casualization

>>720237973 (OP)
9.5/10 if not for some slight issues I have with the game, msot of them probably being skill issues and
the final boss being a fucking boring rehash
Probably one of the best games ever made.

>>720239412
>Probably one of the best games ever made.
...if you've only ever played five games.

>>720239412
I know man what the fuck
I wanted to fight this motherfucker for ages
I thought we were finally getting it

>>720237973 (OP)
HK: 8/10
SS: 7/10
This is the absolute truth and you know it, no need to (You) me trannies.

>>720239202
Boo hoo nigga

>>720239782
This guy is not our enemy.
He is fren

Hollow Knight-8/10
Silksong-7.5/10

>>720240116
I want to beat his ass

>>720239782
I thought the final boss would be a void corrupted grand mother silk with a new moveset because the normal one is so easy. Or some other void being that takes her power. Instead we get lace 2 moveset but she just throws dogshit everywhere

>>720237973 (OP)
SIlksong: 7/10
Hollow Knight: 8/10

>>720240686
I was so ready for Grandmother to get up once Lace 3 was down but then the game ended and I felt so robbed
Who gives a shit about the Lace fights? She's such a simple boss, it was nothing cathartic and explosive like Radiance was. Seeing Radiance get grabbed and ripped apart was extremely satisfying after knowing it's history and influence on the world.
But rescuing Lace? I don't get why Hornet gave a shit about her when Lace is literally nothing but trouble the entire game and spites every party.

>Silksong-7/10
>Hollow Knight 9/10
Hollow Knight just felt like a more complete experience. I never felt “wowed” in Silksong the same way I was by City of Tears. There’s also so many goddamn annoying regular enemies that it hinders my enjoyment of the exploration.

>>720237973 (OP)
I'm still on Act 1.

>>720239938
>>720240146
>>720240730
>>720241018
actual retards

>>720241262
Me too, I keep dying to fourth chorus

>>720240880
>I don't get why Hornet gave a shit about her when Lace is literally nothing but trouble the entire game and spites every party.
She saves Hornet from being crushed to death/dragged into The Abyss by Grandmother Silk and she probably also feels sorry for her for learning she's a silk creature.

>>720237973 (OP)
>the lower Silksong's Steam score gets, the more /v/ likes it

HK 9
SS 7
Too long, too many gauntlets, flying enemies spitting projectiles in the platforming sections, not enough real bosses.

>>720241651
The more a game makes the Chinese mad, the more I like it.

>>720238008
You're objectively an insane poser if you think Hollow Knight is a 5/10.

>>720241502
silk and dilate your hollow, tranny
Game is a 7.5/10 at best

>>720241729
you must be lost. fuck off to reddit, retard

>>720237973 (OP)
5/10
Hollow Knight was a 9

>>720241805
>Hollow Knight was a 9
RETARD ALERT

>>720241805
Hollow Knight was not a 9 man... Play more games I beg you.

Solid 8.5 if you are someone who played metroidvanias before.
7.5 if you did not.

It does not hold back with BS, and it does not explain any basics. It pretty much assumes you have beaten hollow knight. Which is fair, but at the same time it will bite newcommers in the ass.

The art is great, the level design is hit and miss, but mostly good, full of secrets and little rewards.
Enemy variety is nice, even if some are annoying.

The biggest cons would be a superficial currency system, and slow early game. They really should have started you off with dash, and have early enemies have 1 hp less.

>>720238363
Minor cons don't out weight a massive pro.
Good level design alone can carry a game into a 6-7/10,

>>720242126
>Good level design alone can carry a game into a 6-7/10,
so... you are saying Silkslop is sub 6 I guess. I concur kek

>>720241729
You're a retard and have played no other metroidvanias

>>720242474
hollow knight isn't a metroidvania

>>720237973 (OP)
I only just entered act 2 after 16 hours, thoroughly exploring/questing and not dying that much. All of you fuckers are either blitzing the endgame or extreme nolifing, which indicates the game's good (it is)

>>720237973 (OP)
5/10. Only reason I finished it is because I dropped the first game due to boredom so I wanted to see this one through. Absolute slog of a game and genuinely one of the worst experiences I've had in a long time. There is enough there for a good game but this certainly isn't it.

>>720239412
I would love to know every game you have played. I'm sure you can just tell me seeing as it's clearly not many.

>>720243457
You’re right, it’s a Redditmania

>>720237973 (OP)
I beat the game blind and without playing the original, had a really good time and clocked 22 hrs at completion. I'm at 30 now trying to clear everything so idk about act 3. Act 1/2 are a 9/10 for sure

7-8/10
The game feels like it had 0 QA, there are so many issues, retarded ones, that a person would notice them while playing the game, but no one in the team did.
Some bosses are right next to the respawn, other take 1m or more to retry and there's 1 flying mob to try and stop you (last judge especially).
Crests suck, the first one gets upgrades the rest get nothing. Also you can't swap them outside of the bench.
Yellow trinkets are worthless (minus compass), blue ones are waaaay better but some of them should have been permanent upgrades instead (like the faster charged attack).
Charged attack is trash like in the first game.
R1 abilities are worthless for the most part, why risk spending your silk when you know you are going to need it to heal yourself? (inb4 git gud)
A lot of bosses and fight rooms reward you with nothing, no trinkets, no rosaries, no tools, nothing. This feels like shit.
Tools should have been binded to Y nor R1+UP/DOWN. They feel like something devs came up to so you can deal with the annoying flying enemies.
A lot of side quests are trash.
Boss quality is really bad, some bosses are good and then they spawn flying enemies ruining the entire fight. Other are copy-pasted but faster or 1 new move.
Music is good, movement is good, combat feels good, maps are fun to explore (for the most part).
Theres probably more but who cares.

>>720237973 (OP)
6/10 Im not having fun

Bosses are not challenging they are just lazy high damage hp sponges.
Punishing you to get to the boss is tedious and boring.
too much jumping and bouncing going to nowhere.
annoying enemies before every bosses that force them to waste your time dealing with them.
paying for chairs and travel unlocks.
almost every tool is garbage

>>720237973 (OP)
6/10

if i never have to do a few minute runback to a boss it will still be too soon

the end game shit was pure cancer, blight town legit the worst map design i had to suffer in any game
im not even sure how i beat it, by the end i was mashing my head into a wall till i brute forced fights

Why would these arbitrary numbers mean anything to anyone if they don't know your track record and what other games you like or dislike.

>>720246689
>please rate it 10
games bad get over it

>>720237973 (OP)
It has good combat but that's about it.

>>720245215
>A lot of side quests are trash.
>A lot of bosses and fight rooms reward you with nothing, no trinkets, no rosaries, no tools, nothing. This feels like shit.

its hilarious to mee how neither the quests or bosses give you anything
you did a quest? here, have 50 rosaries, as much as from killing 2 enemies

>>720246769
what does a 10 mean from someone you don't know? Rate it 100000 or 0 it means nothing from /v/trads

>>720237973 (OP)
Hk: dropped
Silksong: 6
Nine sols: 9
La mulana 1: 9
La mulana 2: 7
Ender magnolia: 8

>>720237973 (OP)
BRUH

>>720241729
Hollow knight is a mid game. Its a pretty and fun game but its ultimately mid and filled with flaws that silksong doubled down on for some reason

so this is the audience of hollow knight

>>720241729
What would you rate a game you found insanely boring and you dropped after 6 hours? That's what I would give hk.

>>720237973 (OP)
I find that comparison is the cornerstone of objective critique and the only metroidvania I've enjoyed more than silksong was la mulana and I think it improved on hollow knight massively. I also think it's mind boggling that people are saying stuff like sotn and super metroid is better, rose tinted goggles are really something. I hope this game raises the bar for metroidvanias a bit, as there are far too many crappy ones.

>>720247079
worst part? by the time you get to bilewater region you will think judges runback was very generous

>>720246960
You are right any rating here is dog water. The thread alone would attract detractors

FUCK YOU TEAM CHERRY FOR MAKING THE COOL RAILGUN THE ONLY MISSABLE ITEM IN THE GAME
FUCK YOU FUCK YOUUU

I don't even think I'm halfway through.

>>720247183
no joke a guy at my company (game dev), trooned out on release of silksong, as in announced he was away since he had his thai surgeries
fucking pure insanity of this situation is something else

>>720247414
my condolences

>>720238357
MUH CHEEVOS MUH CHEEVOS

>>720247386
the what? there is a gun tool?

>>720237973 (OP)
Started off with silksong and never played hollow knight, how much easier is the first game compared to silksong?

>nintendoids with the fake low scores
theyre coping

>>720247795
very easy compared you can face tank and heal like crazy. The godmaster dlc is hard tho

>>720237973 (OP)
HK: 7.5/10
Silksong: 9/10
acts 2 and 3 by themselves would make silksong a 10/10 but it's dragged down by how genuinely awful and anti-fun act 1 is. what the fuck were they thinking?

>>720237973 (OP)
I've played it for 5 hours. Killed the Moorwing and reached Silkwood. It's fun, but less comfy than Hollow Knight because of the difficulty.

>>720247885
You get this one if you open the simple lock in Whiteward? I picked High Halls and got the minigun instead.

Is there a reason I can't see completion percentage on my save file even after beating the game?

>finally beat the savage beastfly
>my reward is... a shitty crest with a bizarre and awkward diagonal attack
>the crest is automatically equipped
>cant unequip it without a bench
>the nearest useable bench is miles away
>the crest prevents normal healing
>my compass is no longer equipped
cancer

>>720237973 (OP)
Act 1 6-7/10
Act 2 8-9/10
Act 3 7/10
Act 2 is amazing. Acts 1 and 3 have so many glaring issues.

>>720248284
>he didn't figure out how to de-trap the bench
lmao
you will miss so much fucking shit in this game if you couldn't even get that by yourself

>>720237973 (OP)
8.7/10 compared to HK's 7.5/10

>>720248284
>the nearest useable bench is miles away
There's one only a few rooms away.

>>720246960
A 10 means the game was so good I can't find any flaw with it and it leaves me in a catatonic state for weeks in despair that I will never play anything that good again.
In other words, I do not hand out 10s lightly.

>>720247970
act 3 is garbage, why are you hollowtards so impressed by it? The intro was alright.

>>720248118
its right below the spot where you get double jump by hugging the wall after dropping

objectively a better game than HK but 7 years later for something largely the same makes it meh

>>720237973 (OP)
I give both a 7. Silksong’s better but it felt underwhelming in a way that Hollow Knight didn’t. I’ve yet to do act 3 but it had better be amazing.

>>720237973 (OP)
9.5/10. The tools UI is shit. You can't directly equip one tool over another. You have to first press to unequip it, then navigate to the tool you want to equip. It also opens up on whatever random page it feels like, so you constantly have to scroll between the map, items and tools menus. Absolute garbage. The game is otherwise a 10/10 kino, thoughbeit.

>>720240116
Void isn't friendly. We'll kill it in a future game.

>>720241734
>chinks and japs whining about bad translations
lmao ur a faget

>>720247081
>flaws that silksong doubled down on for some reason
it's literally so obvious that the devs fucked around for 7 years and just recycled their own farts for this mid shit.
I cant even be mad at them: they got the bag with a so-so first game due to Covid and I would do the same in their place. literally won the vidya lottery.
But people calling Silkslop a 9 or 10 are absolute niggers.

>>720247183
>>720247439
surprising no-one. HK/SS is the same trannycore indie slop as Deltarune.
you have twitter troons arguing unironically about the Vessel's gender on twitter ffs

>>720237973 (OP)
9'5/10
It's what I was expecting but some upgrades take too long to get (harpoon and 2xjump) and most of the crest movesets are useless thanks to the retarded diagonal pogos

>>720248985
>whining about the translation of a basically textless metroidvania
we are already reaching critical levels of copium kek

>>720248857
>You can't directly equip one tool over another. You have to first press to unequip it
You can select the tool you want first and then select which slot you want to put it over.

>>720247283
If that chart is your taste, it is garbage

>>720237973 (OP)
It's no masterpiece.

>>720248935
Void may not be friendly but Hornet's half-brother still is, and he's trying his best to control it.

>>720238008
I agree with this overall but I'd give it a 6 rather than a 7.5.
It's basically just a glorified boss rush rather than a metroidvania, I'd virtually stopped bothering to explore altogether by the tail end of act 1 because I basically never found anything worthwhile at all. The idea of these types of games is you progress, get upgrades that allow you to access new areas, and if you feel weak you backtrack over old areas as much as is fun for you and power up in some way, but that aspect is virtually nonexistent in silksong because they seemingly wanted to preserve the much richer gameplay experience of just slamming yourself into repeated combat trials and boss fights until you eventually just win.

Giving mechanically simple enemies tons of health, giving you no reward for beating them, and the only reason you'd ever bother defeating them is because the devs put them in a place where they will knock you into spikes 100% of the time is just dogshit and should not be the backbone of how you make your game challenging.

>fleas give you flea fast travel
holy shit I love fleas fuck grubs I hope the fleas don't get vored.

>>720251790
This. I cant even fathom how they decided to go from every enemy dropping at least currency in HK to fucking bosses dropping JACKSHIT in SS.
But then again, it's the team that had the genius idea to penalize you for wanting to see yourself on the minimap so nothing really surprises me from these hacks...

haven't played a metroid game in 20 years, never played catslevania but i really liked and beat sekiro. should i drop 20e and play this sexy game? or should i just keep making """fan art?"""

>>720253008
you should be playing 9 sols, not HK.

>>720253008
>>720253234
You should play both.

>most of us have beaten
the game has a 9% achievement ratio for learning the threefold song
there's no chance even 1% of this board has beaten the game

Haven't finished it yet but I'm far enough in that I doubt my opinion will change.
Hollow Knight: 8/10 Silksong: 7/10

The Good
>The movement feels great, huge upgrade over the first game
>Has a few fun bosses that feel great to overcome
>Map is well designed and I've never felt lost (so far in late act 2)
>Subweapons are neat and so is the customisation for spells

The Bad
>Music is entirely bland and forgettable. Worse than Metroid Dread
>The devs were way too quick to jump into double damage dealing hazards. In HK it felt like an event when it happened, here it happens all the time and is just annoying
>Enemies have just a little bit too much health to the point where they're more annoying than actual threats
>On that note bench placement is generally terrible. A bunch of bosses have runbacks which just end up being annoying and a waste of time
>Bilewater
>Both currencies are annoying as shit
>Major upgrades are very sparse, minor upgrades are almost always disappointing currency
>MMO-tier quests in this kind of game feels pointless
>The courier missions suck

>>720237973 (OP)
Havent finished it just beat vines lady. Only upgrade is the combat, platforming and weapon types. Atmosphere, art, music, enemy types, bosses and characters are all worse and less memorable. Might play again might not. Solid 7-7.5 worth the money.

>>720253819
the cogwork core song is great

>>720239651
>>720244351
you didn't beat silksong

>>720248276
Because you didn't beat the game, anon. There are 3 acts.

am i supposed to let the warden bug catch me? does he ever respawn?

>>720237973 (OP)
9.8
>the map is too big for the amount of secret areas, and there's no way to tell which spot you should be checking, meaning if you want to 100% you will need to use a guide
>there's availability issues with tools and skills, basically locking out preferred styles of play for a long time
>early game economy ( woods area ) is a mess with maps and benches costing too much
>too many flying enemies
>some double damage should be there
>some minor UI issues
if you play it completely blind this is kino beyond kino

>>720254267
I definitely did.

>>720254546
also
>steel soul mode is very poorly implemented considering the length of the game and how punishing it is

>>720254546
You don't actually need a guide to 100%, but it will be absurdly tedious to comb spots you've missed something in multiple times. Honestly, they should have given us the ability to find the items missing for 100% after beating the final boss.

When do the chinese get their own steam?

>>720254569
Post achievements

>>720253706
not everyone here is a steam nigger.

>20 bucks
>hand drawn art
>whimsical fun characters and dialogue
>some fun fights
>some lame fights
>lots of hidden content to find
>lots of hidden content to fucking miss
>fun
>sometimes tedious
All in all it's been a stupendous bug adventure filled with wonder and whimsy all for only 20 bucks. Solid 9. I wish they didn't lean so hard on the cursed kingdom shit, though. The whole game is beautiful but miserable. I would have liked some nicer areas. Luckily the NPCs are light hearted.

>>720254731
I spent like 20 hours just running around the map, and I was combing it so hard I started finding glitches and shit
either the map should kinda give away at least SOME of the secret spots, like the ones leading to important areas, or you'd need an item like in animal well ( I think? ), which highlights secrets when you're in the correct room

>>720237973 (OP)
10/10 up until the sinner's road and now I'm thinking 6/10

>>720254967
Now this is the part where you say
>hurr you loved it or else you wouldn't finish it!

>>720255027
sure thing retard

>>720255196
that's not the final boss...

>>720255053
So, I 100% Hollow Knight on my first playthrough with no guide whatsoever. I don't know why that game was so much easier to 100%. Maybe the secrets were visually easier to see, it's been a long while.

>>720237973 (OP)
After beating the tower dancers i got 3 marks on the map.
I cant reach 2 and the other is a gauntlet from hell where i got the wave with the 2 ultra dudes which i dont think i can beat.
So how do i gett to the other 2 areas first?

>>720249825
>textless
you really didnt play the game at all did you?

>>720255261
Yes, it is. Have you even finished this garbage?

>>720255371
There's an act 3 you absolute subhuman monkey

>>720255413
That is act 3 you retard.

>>720255317
because it's A LOT smaller
you see a gap in the map in this one and you could get there from 6 different regions but who fucking knows? and then the entrance is 20 rooms over instead

>>720255442
There's no way you would give yourself the trouble of doing all quests if you think the game is garbage, you cheated

>>720249472
why are you browsing twitter?
perhaps you should go back there?

>>720247795
Hollow Knight is unironically the tutorial for Silk Song. The difficulty leap is unreal

>>720255363
please answer.
should i clear the slap first?

>>720241794
>fuck off to reddit
You realize this is a Hollow Knight thread, right?

>>720255565
>>720255196

>>720255565
anon just stop, this is giving me second hand embarrassment, besides the guy is clearly ragebaiting

>>720255793
>>720255796

Is it wrong though? How does that make any sense?

>>720243457
yes it is

>>720255835
You coped, said I didn't beat the game. I did. You then went on some retardation about how that's not the final boss nor is it act 3, it is the final boss and it is act 3. You showed you have not even played the game to the end and now you're suggesting I cheated because you have egg on your face. Absurd.

>>720256073
It doesn't make any sense for you to call the game garbage and have so many hours of it if you not cheated, it's takes a lot of stuff to get to act 3 and then it's even more effort

>>720239412
SPBP

There are some glaring game design issues but this game is truly incredible taken as a whole package and I expect after they do expansions and some QOL patches for it it will become a 10/10.

Anon who actually beat the game here.
Hollow Knight is a 7/10
Silksong is a 9/10

Opinionated unskilled apes should just shut the fuck up.

virtual garbage

>>720258457
pic related

>>720255651
why not? I browse leddit and troonera also, it's called media diversity instead of an autistic circlejerk/echo chamber.
But 4chan is the best because I can call you what you are: a subhuman niggerfaggot.

Only about 9 or 10 hours in so far but I'm not really digging crests or tools yet. I have four tools, the first one I got was the spine trap that I have kept on me at all times because it is great for all the random adds, and three of them are "throw a thing forward". Oh, my one silk skill so far is also "throw a thing forward". I know there are plenty more to come but it just feels kind of dumpy so far - I was so excited when I saw "long pin" thinking it was something to boost my attack range but nope, just another thing to throw forward.

Got the beast and reaper crests and don't really like either of them. Turns your normal attack arc into an awkward half-arc and goofs up your other moves for what feels like a very minor bonus. But oops, gotta unlock those slots again so they just feel like a huge downgrade all around until I can fully open them up.

I feel like Hornet being so much more mobile is a double edged sword. It's fun in a good fight but the rest of the time I just get tired of having to mash so many buttons to function, kind of like Flux 2 in Nioh.

I'll keep pressing ok because it sounds like there is some good stuff to look forward to but this into is really dragging on more than I felt HK did.

>>720237973 (OP)
Still have to unlock act 3 but I'd say a 8/10 right now.

Difficulty throughout the game varies wildly, Bilewater is a fucking piece of shit, but then Grand Mother Silk is easy as shit. I was never frustrated other than Bilewater, but the odd difficulty spike would sometimes be followed up by a vastly easier area immediately after. It makes the game feel like it doesn't have a great difficulty curve, despite being able to gate off areas with power-ups just like any Metroidvania. Also a bit too many troll gotcha moments for my liking (fuck Bilewater).

Some areas and encounters really feel like they needed more QA, and I'm not a fan of some of the more obscure secrets. I played the entire game blind until I ran out of things I could find, and I found myself thinking "How the fuck was I supposed to know that?" when I have to phase through false ceiling #17. The game is usually good at visual or audio clues, so the times they miss feel off. I really don't like just copying a complete map but there's no fucking way I'd find some of this stuff otherwise, even a couple of the flea hiding spots are insane. Act 3 shouldn't have been locked behind this stuff.

But overall the game feels fantastic to play, I just don't like the level design sometimes. You can feel how much time and effort they put into everything, but they went to far in some places and couldn't help themselves being too clever for their own good.

>>720237973 (OP)
HK: 8.0
SS: 6.5

Too much tedium / too much map that's repetitive

>>720253234
Is it parry slop? It says sekiro inspired and I hated parry/sekiro gameplay.

>>720247036
Would you recommend Nine Sols on Switch or is it a PC only thing? Really like the idea of playing it portably but the only thing holding me back is the potential input lag on the switch version

>>720249472
>you have twitter troons arguing unironically about the Vessel's gender on twitter ffs
Normal people refer to ghost as a he by default and don't give a fuck about gender brigade.
Troons are not normal and never will be.

>>720262635
As someone who loves nine sols, it's THE parry slop game.

>>720237973 (OP)
Not buying it on principle after finding out the MC is a whore.

>>720238008
>game has too much content
Stopped reading there.

>>720241805
>Hollow Knight was a 9
In the context of Metroidvanias? Arguably no.
In the context of vidya? Shitpost-tier.

>>720237973 (OP)
I'm on 40 hours and I'm still in act 1

>>720266861
Fuck off zoomer retard

>>720237973 (OP)
8.5, beginning sucks but act 2 is complete ludokino. Haven’t got to act 3 yet, don’t know if I ever will. Also fuck the mist.

>>720267047
Why would too much content be a bad thing?
All in all, not only i'm enjoying every second, I also like that is long since I get to enjoy it more.

>>720262635
It's parry kino

>Team Cherry hypes him up for years as Hornet's major rival since 2017, even before the release of the original Hollow Knight
>One of his minions is in the announcement trailer for Silksong
>He's nowhere to be seen in the actual game
Did he get cut? Is he Steel Soul exclusive? What the fuck happened here?

>>720245215
Yellow trinkets are some of the best in the game. Thieves mark? Weighted belt?

>>720253819
Music is great. Mount Faye, Blasted steps, cogwork dancers, Greymoor, Trobbio, Lace, Choral chambers, are all excellent tracks.

>>720267273
He will actually appear in the DLC of silksong: zotesong, which will eventually grow to become a new and larger game.

>>720267527
Not him but most of the tracks are boring indeed.
Like the only track I remember is Fourth Chorus.
Is all ambiental generic music or generic battle themes. Compare that to dung's defender theme or city of tears.
Not saying silksong's music is bad, but it's nothing especial, especially compared to his predecessor.

Hollow Knight
>better music
>better atmosphere
>better storytelling
>better final boss(es)

Silksong
>more content
>better gameplay
>better movement
>better sense of power growth through upgrades
>better enemy and boss ai
>better combat overall
>better moveset variety and build flexibility
>better sense of challenge (although the earlygame is a tad overtuned)

Silksong is definitely better overall as gameplay is the main important thing here, but I do find myself missing the absolute kino moments in Hollow Knight that Silksong didn't fully live up to like finding the City of Tears statues, Queen's Garden + Traitor Lord, Mantis Lords, Greenpath's OST, and so on. It had a much more developed, cohesive world with a more nuanced interesting story to tell. Silksong mogs it in every other department though, ultimately worth the wait.

I decided to forfeit my human rights as a gamer and update this game SPECIFICALLY because I keep dying to Moorwing even with me playing him in the intended way. I'd rather fight Savage Niggerfly again than continue fighting Moorwing

>>720267779
It's the Elden Ring to Hollow Knight's Dark Souls. It has more of everything but the overall "soul" of the game is diminished which were mostly defined by its constraints and limits.

>>720267527
Music is pretty bland. Can't remember a single track off the top of my head. Hollow Knight was largely the same but it at least had a couple of standout tracks

>>720267527
Widow, BoneBottom are also great.

I know everyone here hates the colosseum from hollow knight but I think it would be great if TC added it as free update and give you rosaries for beating bosses with restrictions. What do you guys think?

>>720267158
You're a fucking retard. All you want is "muh content" and another fucking box to tick. You have no care for the quality of that content, flow, pacing, or bloat. The best artists know when to cut, edit, remove. They don't just shove every fucking idea they have in the game (which TC literally admitted to doing in a dev interview)

Fucking dumbass consoomer, go play your open world checklist slop. Oh boy, I love fucking farming monsters and completing shitty MMO-tier quests so I can get the real ending!!

Fuck off and eat shit retard.

3/10 - not fun

Everything costs rosaries, just give me my fucking bench nigger, I don't want to go back 10 maps to farm that one specific enemy that drops rosaries for 15 minutes.

Dealing with regular enemies is chore. They have at least 2 times too much health. And flying enemies should stop button read to magically fly away from you when you try to hit them.

Nearly all bosses have adds. Nobody likes that shit. I feel like the adds are there too cover poor boss design because fun bosses don't have them.

Quests in general are bad. Nobody asked for that crap. Especially for MMO tier "collect 25 farts from ass".

Compass still taking charm notch. Seriously. The only complain people had about hk and they didn't remove that bullshit.

>>720267527
Literally the only time I became consciously aware of the music was in the cogwork core, and even then it was just fleeting moments.

Compare that to Banjo and Cave Story which I played recently, and every single song in those games are a fucking bop

>>720237973 (OP)
7/10 and 7/10 it's literally just more hollow knight

>>720268351
I'm no music scientist but I think a lot of modern games fail at creating memorable melodies. Music theory and instrumentation are all well and good but none of that means dick if the melody doesn't stick with you

>>720268326
That one KKK hood enemy that sucks your silk I swear is programmed to move in the most absolutely fucking annoying way possible. It's like it reads your inputs in the perfect way to simultaneously avoid your attack while also ramming straight into you.

>>720247283
Silksong is the worst metroidvania I ever played. I honestly believe nobody playtested it for real before release.

dark souls 2 by team cherry

>>720237973 (OP)
6/10 mediocre generic flash metroidvania fomo slop
but at least its a video game (unless e33 which is a glorified vn)

>>720268351
Modern games don’t have as memorable music. This game focuses more on atmospheric music which works well in game, but isn’t memorable once you step away from the computer. To be fair, hollow knight was the exact same way.

>>720268570
I like the way Demon's Souls did it. Atmospheric diagetic sound in the levels, but the boss, nexus, and menu themes are all extremely memorable.

>>720253008
Don't buy it. It's literally the worst metroidvania ever. Just buy castlevania or bloodstained instead. Or original hollow knight

>>720255317
Most hidden secrets in hk are grubs and you get them marked on the map.

>>720268570
I feel like you can do atmosphere while still being memorable. Metroid Prime is a great example of that

I am enjoying it but
>upgrades feel pointless
>literally no difference between the non-upgraded and upgraded needle unless you max it
>swaying flying enemies that give you nothing (shards) and deal two damage all the way between bosses
>some bosses have ads to makeup for bad boss design
>some bosses are next to benches, other need you to run all the way across the map and parkour around dual-damage hazards
>the spiky thing R1 skill is the only good R1 skill but seldom useful unless its in bosses with ads or enemy gauntlets
>every enemy is hit walk left turn right hit walk left turn right hit walk left turn right
>boring MMO-tier quests
>enemies that are annoying to kill give you nothing
>most rewards are extremely disappointing

But it is alright.

>literally Gruz Mother but with ugly animation, inflated health and adds
7 years

>>720268570
>hollow knight was the exact same way
Not really as many tracks of it had outstanding and catchy melodies.
City of tears? Queen's gardens? White palace?

>>720269507
>>720268570
Mantis lords, too.

>>720237973 (OP)
I would have rated HK a 10/10, so I don't know what to rate Silksong because I think it's even better. Also a 10/10, I suppose. It's seriously my favorite game, I just feel like these games are made specifically for me and are tailored to what I like to have in a game. And no, that doesn't mean I think they're "perfect". I see their flaws, but they don't really take away from the experience for me.

>>720253819
>Music is entirely bland and forgettable
plenty of bangers IMO, shellwood's music reminds me a bit of greeenpath from the first one, bilewater was also really good
https://files.catbox.moe/i0u3hs.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/61crnn.webm

the boss ones are pretty good too
https://files.catbox.moe/0h7t6r.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/r5i9w7.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/ls7ua8.webm

>>720267527
this

the diagonal down attack never felt comfortable to use. later bosses love to punish it too. the actual down attacks still are better off.

>>720241794
but reddit hates hollow knight because it's for chuds or something? bizarre post

>>720237973 (OP)
SHITSONG/10

>>720237973 (OP)
Genuinely my favourite game of the genre. And I love the genre. So 10/10.
I wish it was more difficult though. Hollow Knight is honestly more difficult than Silksong, but Silksong is a lot more engaging to play so I wish it had the difficulty to match.
Hopefully it'll get some really difficult DLC.

>>720241805
>swallow night
>9
you didn't play it

>>720249209
HK didn't come out during covid you fucking retard

>>720241018
>I never felt “wowed” in Silksong the same way I was by City of Tears.
The Citadel?
It's not even like the City of Tears has all too much to do in it. It's a pretty place with a nice tune, but it's just a crossroads to other places.

Silksong's Citadel is also pretty and has a nice tune. But it's got more stuff, secrets, action, and platforming

>>720249209
It has got way more content than hollow knight though. It's also more detailed content that must have taken a lot more work.
Had the game actually been released in 2023 or whatever as initially advertised, then we might have never even gotten act 3 or whatever at all, let alone so many of the odd secrets or completely missable and contextual events.

>>720268996
>literally no difference between the non-upgraded and upgraded needle unless you max it
Has anyone calced the actual damage numbers for it yet? In the first game it was worked out that the damage goes 5->9->13->17->21 for instance

>>720255796
>besides the guy is clearly ragebaiting
The proper term is trolling, zoomer.

>>720237973 (OP)
>>720237973 (OP)
Hollow Knight 8/10
Silksong 6/10
Fetch quests, lack of build diversity, lack of level diversity, need to farm. I cant grasp how anyone can think its better.

>>720271840
This but Crystal peak.

Just beat it actually.
Where was the kino? Also funny that the last boss took me less attempts than every other one leading up to it, though I know I got the lowest dogshit rushed ending, I at least killed first sinner (also easy)

>>720271840
This. Cogworks, atrium, Whitehall, all pure kino.

>>720267527
It's all servicable but barely memorable. Hollow Knight had a few bad tracks even they at least had a memorable riff or two.

>>720237973 (OP)
9/10 right now
10/10 with free dlcs down the road

Hollow Knight 9/10
Silksong 1/10
Best and worst metroidvania I ever played.

>>720272540
You are not wrong.

>>720272313
>I cant grasp how anyone can think its better.
Very loud and vocal darksouls fans who will just call you bad instead of coming up with a rebuttal

This is the only track in the entire OST of both games that I can clearly recall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC3Dd3eqZy8
The rest are all fine in the moment but leave my brain the moment I turn off the game

What will the kids who based their whole personality on game being released do now?

>Hollow Knight final boss
>Giant sun goddess responsible for the infection prevalent throughout the entire game, her boss fight is big and bombastic, with a huge mass of shades working with you to finally bring her down and let you smack the shit out of her
>Silksong final boss
>Yeah it's just lace but black.

>>720273039
They'll wait until Prime 4 comes out then shit up those threads

>>720273101
Not to mention the whole lead up of learning your identity and purpose in HK, Silksong is just straight lacking in any story punch.

>>720273365
I think I realized that's my main problem with it.
The main mystery of Pharloom isn't as compelling as Hallownest's, we already know about the pale king, radiance, void, vessels, and Grimm Troupe, a vast majority of which were directly correlated to the main protagonist.
We already know Hornet's story, so her story in Silksong is just
>What the fuck, who kidnapped me? I better find out
>Oh hey, this richass kingdom got haunted and captured me for my silk, I better go kill whoever's doing the haunting
>Was that a fencer? Who the fuck was that?
>Better save her at the end
>Oh hey a god's doing this
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT MY BROTHER?
>game ends

So if the non DLC true ending is the canon one, what was the knight doing before saving hornet? Is it just resting at peace?

>>720237973 (OP)
Hollow Knight: 7/10
Silksong: 6/10

The only thing that has received an actual improvement is the moment-to-moment gameplay, everything else has been a step down for me. The areas are larger, but the world doesn't feel bigger. The lore and feel of Pharloom and The Citadel is a constant, unending gallery of unrealized potential. The difficulty is good, there are some truly great bossfights in Silksong, much better than anything HK had to offer (Judge/Phantom/Trobbio are all GOATed), but the vision, cohesion and grandeur just isn't there. There isn't nearly enough content for how many rooms and crevices there are. Sure, there are lots of areas, lots of space, but I can't tell you how many times I've gone through some small sidetrack only to find a fucking shard bundle at the end of it instead of anything even remotely interesting.

It feels like this is some diminutive version of silksong where 40% of the game's secrets, exploration and its unpredictable, exciting encounters have been cut out. It feels disappointing more than anything, and these are issues that I'm not sure could've been solved with more development time. It speaks to a lack of creativity in general.

>>720276372
Silksong gets a big plus for these guys though. Everytime I freed one I grinned like a fucking retard. I love them so much

>>720274702
You're under selling it. You can still like Hollow Knight's story better, but Silksong offers a lot more to the narrative than you make it seem.
Like yeah we knew Hornet was a Weaver, but truthfully we barely had any idea of what Weavers even were aside from how they did magic-ish stuff with runes and silk.

And if you didn't realize. Hornet is related to Grandmother Silk too. All weavers are. And at the start of the game you had no idea that weavers were literally born from Pharloom's god monarch.
And beyond Hornet, you're also meant to get invested into the citizens of Pharloom itself even if you maybe wasn't.

>>720237973 (OP)
I'd rate HK 8.5 and SS 9.
I think I'd give SS 9.5 if the music was as good as HK's.

>>720237973 (OP)
7.5
It's fun but annoying half of the time

>>720237973 (OP)
it's a great game, but difficulty tuning is off. I dont mean the big fly, I mean the bullshit later, along with long platforming segments that have to be redone in full if you screw up like 2 times.

this is a larger and more detailed game, but I think I had more "fun" with the first game. some of the later bosses are just a war of attrition and have far too much health. but, there are fights like the 2 dancers which aren't bullshit and are very good. the bullshit bosses negate that though.

9/10, the difficulty is massively overblown but I haven't finished Act 3 yet. I finished Act 2 without upgrading my weapon and no double jump and it wasn't too bad. The Act 2 last boss was way too easy and only took 2 tries. The 2nd to last Act 2 boss wasn't very hard once you figure out you can get 2 free hits when she jumps in the air (you can just stand under her, attack up, and then to the side since she never attacks straight down).

SOTM mogs.

>>720277762
Dropped it at the reverse castle. I should play it again

>>720277762
I’m gonna replay this for Halloween. SOTN is a fun game to break in half, so it’s a good game. It’s a CLASSIC, END OF STORY.

>>720277762
Castlevania is shit. So many empty hallways and rooms that all look the same and then in that one they make you literally play the same rooms upside down. Laziest game design ever.

>>720241734
Lower public rating means it's objectively a better.
Total normalfag death

>>720253706
>there's no chance even 1% of this board has beaten the game
Really? I'm at an unironic 99% completion and beat the game.
Am I really part of the 1% of /v/'s Silksong players?

I bet there are a lot of people like me here. At least there used to be.

>>720277762
SotN is great, always was and still is.
But it was immediately and pretty decisively surpassed by pretty much all of its handheld successors. So it's really odd to see people jerk it so much to SotN in particular.

>>720241729
yeah it's like 4 at best

>>720238008
Fpbp
But HK is at least a 6.

>>720272313
You can tell how much the fag who made this image was seething.

>>720239412
>Probably one of the best games ever made
This board is a dump.

>>720272313
Holy fuck, isn't really not that hard. The only thing I will say is absolute dogshit about a few of the bosses is the camera is zoomed in too far and they have attacks that fly across the screen. Sometimes they come from off screen with no indication which is complete bullshit. The camera should zoom out to show the entire arena.

Does every enemy really need to fly? And do they really need to hover slightly above your range where you have to risk contact damage with them to hit them

>>720237973 (OP)
im on the tail end of act 2. would've started a day sooner but i had to wait for new headphones. and also i spent a day trying sands without the wings.
so far, a 8/10 for me
just a in general of my current thoughts,
pros:
>obviously a step up in skill expectance from hollow knight
>things are meant to be more strict, demanding, yadah yadah.
>havent been too many places or things that feel outright unfair, only real shitshows are beastfly and bilewater. and bilewater was explicitly designed to piss you off.
>when the devs try, they go all out on a boss (widow, lance, trobbio)
>most enemies are well designed, they actually feel present rather than set pieces for the most part.
cons:
>you can tell when they DIDNT try, and so far there are too many places like that for the amount of time spent on the game.
>so far, there's been like five bosses that havent been add shitshows.
>absurd amount of arenas during act 1, felt like every other room threw you into one. like they just wanted filler challenges. they should've limited themselves to one per area.
>savage beastfly
just beat the first sinner and i had MUCH more fun with retries of this fight than any of the add bosses.
hell, even most of the non-add bosses, it doesnt feel like im playing a "your turn my turn" match where im on the defensive the whole time waiting for the right moment, and the whole thing's a boring slog where im not even fighting most of the battle just itching to finally let loose a flurry of attacks
it actually feels like two powerful beings going on an all out offense against each other.
its ridiculous to say this given how much time they spent on the game, there's a LOT that needs a second pass.
but the stuff that doesnt need it is fucking divine and you can tell that its where the dev time went.
>>720238228
i'd love to do that too but im being cautious about spoilers. even the replies to this, i will not read. i will leave this tab open and come back to it when im done with the game.

>>720237973 (OP)
The only issues I have with the game are:

- Some flying enemies are bullshit when you are on tiny platforms due to their input reading and you can't do anything except rush them with like a dash or the hook, or use tools on them. This is especially bad in Bilewater, for example.
- Minion spam on bosses always felt meh. For example, Savage Beastfly 2 with its disappearing platforms + minion spam felt like lazy design.
- Moorwing is likely introduced too early when people haven't really learned the game yet.
- Extremely vague descriptions of things like charms and tools, not describing EXACTLY what they do, leading to situations where you think something sounds good, but it's actually terrible.
- Bad players who rely on tools might have to end up doing regular "shard farming" to sustain their playstyle. They could probably 2x the shard drops and it would still be completely fine.
- Rosary reward "economy" is fucked. You can sometimes spend 5-10 minutes going through a path only to be "rewarded" with some strings of rosary or a rosary statue that will give you the same amount as you would have gotten from spending 45 seconds killing 2-3 enemies.
- Some boss runbacks take ages and are super annoying, some have benches right next to them. There's no rhyme or reason to any of these bench placements.
- Finding secret places like 80% of the time only "rewards" you with either shards or rosaries. Feels bad.
- Absolutely insane choice to make the default pogo be a weird 45 degree thing instead of just having it be straight down. Fortunately you can change this, but it's still a weird choice to impose on people at the start of the game.
- The parry skill should have been an inherent thing. It would be much more cool if you had a dedicated parry button and the devs could design the game around it. It would add a whole extra dimension to combat, because bosses could do things that you couldn't just dash or double jump away from.

Still a 9/10 game overall though.

Has anyone tried defeating savage beastfly 2 with the bomb over the arena? I gave it a shot but died when it exploded and the bomb doesn’t reset.

>>720237973 (OP)
hollow knight is for troons and boomers. play a real game like borderlands 4

>>720279170
>(widow, lance, trobbio)
lace oops
i ran out of characters but i'd also like to add THOSE FUCKING NIGGERS to putting a vital weapon upgrade behind a "pale flower but its now on a strict timer"
that is the one thing i cheated, fuck that.

>>720274765
Probably just escaped the void area through another path and happened to wander back for whatever reason.

>>720279512
It wasn’t difficult to do at all. You just kill all the enemies on the path before completing it. I even got hit three times on my first run of it and still managed to successfully do it.

>>720279170
>>so far, there's been like five bosses that havent been add shitshows.
I feel like they knew a lot of the bosses with adds were pretty simple pattern wise to get down so because they wanted a "hard" game they filled them with adds instead of just adding more moves to those bosses. At that point it would've been better if they just cut down the amount of bosses and spend the resources and fleshing out the ones they kept

ok i lied about ignoring this until i beat the game.
>>720279660
yeah look man i just cant be bothered to do that bullshit again.
>>720279695
the worst part is that one of the add bosses actually was pretty decent, raging conchfly, but thats because the adds dont shit up the arena with luck of the draw bullshit and instead add to the boss's attacks.
the same could've been done with the others. rather than just giving them independent AI make them attack extensions or "conditions" that can be killed to make things easier.
for example sister splinter, her adds could've acted as tougher versions of vines that hang out on the edge of the arena and punish you for going too far.
you CAN ignore them, sure. they only reduce your available space a bit.
but if you take the time to kill them between the boss's attacks, you get that space back and it makes the rest of the fight easier.

>>720237973 (OP)
Should have been a linear action game instead, for every lace and phantom kino boss fight theres 5 stinker bosses with basic AI repeating 2 attacks and spawning adds.

>>720237973 (OP)
Silksong 9/10
Hollow Knight 6/10

I finally made it

>>720281834
You beat the tutorial, now the real game begins.

>>720241729
>>720247081
I think the first Hollow Knight was insanely overrated, just so fucking boring. Silksong proves that I was right, it's way better.

I haven't finished it yet, but so far it's a 8.5/10. While Hollow Knight was a 4/10.

>people keep complaining about "input reading"
>turns out the complaint is actually about enemies retreating when you approach and enemies guarding when you attack
Do you people think the game would have been better if the enemies just stood still and took it? What the fuck?

>>720237973 (OP)
ive played every popular metroidvania of the past 10 years
HK was the worst on that list while Silksong was around at the top

>>720282897
>>turns out the complaint is actually about enemies retreating when you approach and enemies guarding when you attack
No, that would be completely fine. The problem is that some enemies will literally move in perfect tandem with you, and right as you are about to hit them, they will fly up/down to be right outside of your range. If you are a Reaper main this is not that problematic because the swings have wider arcs. If you are a Wanderer main, for example, this is a HUGE fucking issue.

>>720238008
Damn, is the original game that bad? It's been sitting in my library from some random fucking bundle years ago and I've never bothered trying it

>>720258364
Gay fanboy opinion. HK is a 7.5. SS is maybe a 7. It's deeply flawed.

>>720283357
>Damn, is the original game that bad?
It's not even close to being bad. That guy is a weirdo. Hollow Knight is literally hailed as one of the best metroidvania games of all time.

>>720237973 (OP)
Hollow Knight - 7.5/10

Silksong - 6/10

Silky

>>720237973 (OP)
I have all mementos and the only major flaw is that unchoreographed neutral jumps from enemies are once again the scariest attack in the game despite not even being attacks.
Easily a 9/10, some really amazing bosses even though the difficulty is strangely all over the place with them. The boss I died the most too (ant babe) was presented along with 2 outrageously-easy bosses.
I do appreciate that the final-final boss' attacks are all familiar choreographs that you've been prepared for basically the entire game. that might sound lame but the presentation is perfect.

>>720283686
>presentation
as if black on black isn't extremely difficult to see. not even mentioning the fact that the additional attacks clearly don't work well with the boss's kit. because of bad rng the tendrils can easily block your escape causing you to take unavoidable damage.

>>720237973 (OP)
i cant beat it, last judge is a bitch
i cant react to her throwing or launching her bell, i try to dash away in the ground but always get hit, she is too fast you have only like 20 frames to react i cant do it

>>720283771
>because of bad rng the tendrils can easily block your escape causing you to take unavoidable damage.
completely untrue though this can certainly be true of several enemy-arena encounters.
>difficulty in spotting her
that's an intentional component of the fight, as is actually keeping her on screen. you apply what you've learned.

>>720283946
When she launches the bell, go TOWARD her for free hits. Then jump up so you don't get hit when she pulls it back.

Hollow Knight 9/10
Silksong 9.5/10
Everything is better, map is more complex and bigger, there are more secrets, the combat is faster paced, you have more abilities
Perfect Sequel

>>720276496
AWOOOOO

>>720284034
I would say the OST is worse, but otherwise I agree

>>720284012
yeah but thats the thing, i cant distinguish fast enough when she is doing either attack, so i just mix them up, end up dashing and getting hit..

>>720283946
what >>720284012 said, but also know that "learning the right distance to stand from the boss at any given moment" is quintessential HK boss design.

>>720283967
>completely untrue
tendrils+midair dash/homing attack is almost impossible to dodge if you're boxed in. they're too high for you to double jump out
>intentional
i'm not saying the boss hard to spot or anything, but the fact that she blends way too well into the background. i feel bad for colorblind people when they get to it tbqh

>>720276496
>>720284067
you're in for a treat when you free all of them

>>720284071
In that case you better just stay far away for safety

>>720284136
she obviously has a tell for when she's going to leap into the air, and can only land from that diagonally. it's truly impossible for all of the space between tendrils to be occupied by hitboxes.
>black and white
>i feel bad for colorblind people

>>720283946
its really simple. if she spins her weapon then run away
if she doesnt spin her weapon but is obviously attacking then stay near her and attack. she will either jump over you or throw her weapon past you.

>>720283214
>No, that would be completely fine. The problem is that some enemies will literally move in perfect tandem with you, and right as you are about to hit them, they will fly up/down to be right outside of your range.
With how super fucking fast you are, how else would they ever have a chance to escape you? The alternative would be to have them flee from you before you even approach them, but the game would hardly be better if enemies fled from you on sight.

>>720283387
Unskilled ape opinion. Discarded.

>cringing at that Seth self-insert OC
>final credits roll
>realize he fucking died
I was an asshole I guess

Anyone who hated this wonderful masterpiece is a fucking ignorant.

>>720284034
Haven't finished silksong yet but my only complaint is that there aren't as many colorful maps/peaceful areas.
I'm in act 2 trying to get everything I can before I go on, but I feel like I've explored most of the maps and there isn't anything as colorful as crystal peak so far

Holy shit what a rush

>>720284737
>only complaint is that there aren't as many colorful maps
80% of HK is grey/blue even if some areas are vibrantly monotone pink
>peaceful areas
yeah I can only think of 1 that isn't a place for shopping and quests was designed to be a comfy spot. fair point.
>I'm in act 2 trying to get everything I can before I go on
you will have more fun just going on. beeline for the quests on your quests tab and get the flea caravan to the final spot, trust me.

>>720284737
There are atleast 2 late game areas as colorful as crystal peak

>>720237973 (OP)
Wait you guys have already beaten it? Jesus, I'm still chugging away on act 1. I finally beat that fucking bird arena, thank God.

>>720238008
kys

>>720241998
>>720238008
Share your ten favorite games faggots.
Posers giving low rating to objectively great games like HK need to show what they LIKE to prove they aren't a mindless contrarian.

>>720284737
>Haven't finished silksong yet but my only complaint is that there aren't as many colorful maps/peaceful areas.
Huh?
While I don't share the complaint myself. One of the most common complaints I see of Hollow Knight is exactly the lack of colour in the environment.
Meanwhile Silksong is super colourful outside of like, The Marrow or something.

>>720285028
40 hour work week (gaming)

>>720284737
Huh really? You literally start in a vibrant neon green area, and immediatly after you're in a bright lava red zone
Hunter's March has nice brown, earthy vibes and greenery and red pogo fruits
Choral Chambers is gilded in white and gold
Bellhart is gold too even though it's small
Mount Fay is gleaming white with a blue sky

I'd say half the areas are super colorful

>>720284817
that was okay

>>720285207
don't forget sands of kakarot

>>720237973 (OP)
the longer i play, the more i dislike it. traveling/exploring is a slog. 6/10 so far.
inb4 git gud, no problems with bosses.

>>720285028
I don't usually game as hard I did. But I averaged 13 hours of Silksong time a day since its release and finished the game at 99% completion at just over 75 hours.

>>720285298
>99% completion
if you're like me you just have to visit EVA one more time after obtaining and using all memory lockets.

>>720285028
I just got into act 2 earlier today, this game is going to take me weeks to beat

>>720285483
What even triggers that cunt
I unlocked the second slot after being cursed by the witch parasite, no idea if this is the trigger or not (it did feel like "a change in my nature").
First slot I don't know, maybe it's after getting a weaver power, or a crest? I got it after getting the beast crest I believe, but I don't see how that would be any different than other crests.

>>720237973 (OP)
8/10
+
>Engaging fast paced combat
>Lots of shit to do, most of it it's good
>Lore and story are good
>Lots of ways to augment your play style
>Platforming is good once you unlock all of the movement abilities
-
>Lots of rosary farming is needed to buy out the shops
>Bench runbacks to bosses suck, it's usually never more than 1.5 minutes since Hornet is mobile, but it still feels bad
>Some enemies are way too mobile and tanky for being airborne and ranged

>>720285028
yeah i dont get it, i no lifed it and played entire day at work yestrday and im still only at end of act 2

i know speedrunners can beat it in a hour, but they use guides, videos and go through like 5% of the game rushing main bosses only

>>720285681
>>Lots of rosary farming is needed to buy out the shops
this shit is cancer at end of act two
i spend 2 hours farming big guys at the top of citadel and still cant afford everything

>>720285673
I think the first slot is just doing a minimal amount of crest shit which is using lockets or unlocking them
The second is from doing most of it, I was able to get it without doing finding every single locket, but I did have every crest

>most of us have beat it
Nigger the achievement for the true final boss is at like 0.3%
Only a tiny handful of anons have actually beaten the game and are in a position to review it

Everybody else is coping hard

>>720285782
Grindle has a tool that enhances rosary gain at the cost of losing some on taking a hit, it's good for mindless farming. You need double jump to access his shop
Act3 makes a lot of rosary farming worse permanently because it removes some enemy placement from the world and makes them tankier

I just defeated the Silk Mother and got the ending.
Do I need to fight her again or did I miss something? I have explored everything I can, but there are still a few parts of the map I cant get to.
I guess there is a power I am missing.
Btw. Fuck you TC. The Witch crest would be great if the healing wasn't so shit.

>>720285483
>if you're like me you just have to visit EVA one more time after obtaining and using all memory lockets.
Nah. I've missed a tool. I am guessing it's that.

>>720285673
>>720285783
As for Eva's rewards?
I am almost certain and positive that her rewards are contingent on you having fully upgraded crests with memory lockets, -excluding- the hunter crest.

Try it.
Exhaust whatever rewards Eva will give you. Go sit at a bench. Return and see that she won't you give you more. Hard exit the game so that it doesn't save. Reload and then fully upgrade one Crest and go visit Eva again, and receive one reward.
Save scum again but fully upgrade two Crests and see yourself getting two rewards.
Save scum again and partially upgrade several ones and I (think) you don't get any rewards.

Either way it without a doubt has to do with Memory Locket usage.
And for some reason Eva doesn't care whatsoever what you do with the Hunter crest even though that's the crest she evolves.

What the fuck

>>720283214
>a ranged enemy tries to stay out of melee range
Wow, how terrible.

>>720285973
You didn't beat the game

>>720286046
Knife throwing with ladybug (male)

>>720284719
>MASTERPIECE
You dumb zoomers call everything you like a masterpiece. You have no idea what that word means.

>>720255197
Hollow Knight sold the best on the Switch. At least it did in like 2020 or whenever it was. Maybe yearly Steam sales have changed that over the years, but is there even anything to suggest that it has?

Either way, Silksong is brand new and it may very well have sold the best on the Switch again.
Either way, Silksong is on fucking everything, and assuming that most players are on Steam or that there aren't plenty of players who aren't, is kind of silly. No?

>>720284461
>how else would they ever have a chance to escape you?
They could just have a set flight/behavior pattern like almost everything else in the game.

>>720285973
Unlocking the next part is contingent on wish completion, specifically doing of Silk and Song lets you do something else for silk mother

enemies have 2-3x the health they should but i mean it's what i expected after 7 years of speedrunners tuning it autistically.

>>720285782
I have found that the best farm, even late game, is the Halfway Home method in Greymoor. You just sit at the bench, jump down, run right, kill the 3 enemies(preferably with a oneshot thing like the Architect charge attack or any of the skills), then sprint back to the bench and rinse and repeat.

If you do this with Thieves Mark equipped you'll be getting ~50 every 10-15 seconds. Just put something on your other monitor and do this for 30-60 minutes and you'll be swimming in cash.

>>720283214
>Main
The crests all are intended to be swapped around to suit what you need
Wanderer is probably all-around the best since it has quick slash baked into it, but also needs longclaw to feel good

>>720286131
It's hands down the best game of the genre for me.
If you aren't a huge fan of platformers I suppose your opinion could differ considerably.
Likewise if you aren't a fan of tight, frequent, and speedy combat.

But if you are a fan of both? How is it not the best Metroidvania game?
If nothing else it's hardly inappropriate to call it a masterpiece at least. And yes I have played other Metroidvanias. I've played pretty much all of them. All the established big names as well as niche indie games including both Japanese doujin games and western games from no name devs.

>>720286241
Thanks. So it's time to fight again.

>>720286315
The game feels good after all weapon upgrades, but that's locked until the end of the game

>>720286349
>The crests all are intended to be swapped around to suit what you need
Does anyone actually do this though? I feel like everyone has a "main" crest that they just stick to.

>>720286212
>They could just have a set flight/behavior pattern like almost everything else in the game.
So that you could just dash into it with your nail in 0.2 seconds from the opposite end of the screen and eviscerate it the moment its set behaviour pattern instructed it to move forwards?

You're so fucking fast that even when the enemies react to your approach instantly and flee, you're still faster than them and reach them anyway.
So I do genuinely appreciate that they behave like they do, or else you'd never even have to put in effort into chasing them. As you wouldn't really have to chase them at all since they wouldn't flee on your approach.

It would have been much worse.

>>720286446
>So that you could just dash into it with your nail in 0.2 seconds from the opposite end of the screen and eviscerate it the moment its set behaviour pattern instructed it to move forwards?
You can literally already do this with dash/grappling hook. It's the way I killed almost every flying enemy in the game.

I genuinely just don't understand why fighting 2 flying enemies in Bilgewater is somehow harder than most bosses in the game. It doesn't make any sense.

>>720278824
I can see how that post might make you think that if you were a retard.

>>720237973 (OP)
U have not beaten it. KYS

>went to bed with a 0.5% achievement
>woke up to it being 1.5% today
Damn, people are moving fast.

>>720286521
>You can literally already do this with dash/grappling hook. It's the way I killed almost every flying enemy in the game.
I know. Which is why it'd be really stupid if they didn't even attempt to flee as you approached them. The chance of failure would practically disappear. As it stands, if you mess something up, at least the enemy will have successfully fled. Instead of being right next to you and within range of another attack because Hornet is a speed god.

>>720259843
>trannycore indie slop
>twitter troons
>leddit
>troonera
Using all these terms just within two posts marks you as a complete retard. You have no right to call anyone a 'subhuman niggerfaggot', you fucking special ed escapee.

This game is carried by the artstyle

Mods are fags and jannies tongue my anus.
You deleted the only fucking thread actually discussing the game.

Finally fucking finished bros. If nothing else surprises me this year this is probably my GOTY. It's not perfect though, nothing is, so there are still some issues I have with the game:
>I get why they did it but I dont like how they doled out a ton of stuff through shopkeepers/quests instead of spreading them out across the map
>speaking of quests theyre mostly fine, some more annoying than others, but I dont like how they're a requirement for act 3
>Lace abd Mother Silk aren't nearly as compelling as the Pale King and THK and how it relates back to you the player
>no true City of Tears of moment but the Citadel was still pretty damn kino
>I would have loved if late game had a swap crest on the fly unlock even if its just between two crests for style switching shits and giggles
>FUCK BILEWATER
But all in all Silksong was incredible. Across the board it just kept delivering and surprising me in all the right (and wrong) ways. Hornet was super tons of fun to play and Act 3 felt like a modern day unverted castle in terms of impact.

Instant Top 5 Metroidvania for me desu. Top shelf shit.

>>720286829
You could make this game any artstyle and the gameplay itself would still be great.

so mods are already malding huh?
well, enjoy rest of 10+ random troll silksong threads instead of game discussion
>inb4 go to vg
70% of /v/ should be in /b/ or /trash/ or indeed /vg/, lets be real

9/10 since it was extremely fun for the entire 50 hours I played which few games manage to do. Would be a 10 if it had less shit like bilewater or the constant gauntlet spam

>>720286951
Make a new thread but get rid of the word comfy. Make discussan the title or something.

Can I get a Garmond rundown?
I met him after beating moorwing, so he didn't offer help, then I met him in a couple locations in the citadel, but he didn't show up for the gank fight. What's u pwith that? Do I need to find him somewhere specifically now/before the fight?

>>720286920
>Instant Top 5 Metroidvania for me desu. Top shelf shit.
To me this game is literally #1 when considering the entire presentation overall. What are your 4 other games?

>>720286951
you are only allowed to spam porn and e-celeb threads please understand sir

>>720286920

100% agree that pale king is just such a compelling character even more than other fromsoft characters

>>720286951
literally there should be no problemo if you fucks just go to /vg/

>>720241651
It's almost like the people who like the game were actually playing the game

>>720237973 (OP)
A solid 5, giving it a lower score would be disingenious because the game does work properly and runs well, and does what its set out to do, problem being that what is set out to do is being a garbage metroidvania carbon copied from the main game, but worse
So I guess I have to give Hollow Knight a 6, since it also fucking sucks but its better

>>720287009
I'm still letting Silksong stew before putting it on an actual slot.

Here's my top 5 whose placements change depending on my mood.
>Rabi-Ribi
>Hollow Knight
>ESA
>Super Metroid (maybe Zero Mission I'm not sure)
>La Mulana
Silksong might topple ESA and send it down to top 10 territory.

hollow knight was flashgame/10
silksong is good movement but baby tier bosses that somehow make normies and /v/ cry so I suppose the issue is the consumers per usual
honestly team cherry has the makings of a good studio

hollow knight is a solid 7 overall but very unpolished in some parts
silksong is a solid 8.5 and actually polished

for reference elden ring is a 6 and sekiro is a 9
OoT is a 7.5 borderline 8

>>720287125

based list

>>720287125
>Rabi-Ribi
Brother what the hell is this? Looks like someone took MapleStory and turned it into a horny weeb chibi game.

The rest of the games on your list seem based. I have never heard of ESA, but I might give it a try some day.

>>720284493
>realize he fucking died
wut

Go my child, and kill many babies

>>720287320
It's really good and by one of the hardest games in the entire genre. If you loved the secret movement tech in SM then Rabi-Ribi has that in spades.

>steam only
FUCK. I almost wish I didn't pirate it

>>720241729
I understand people who like it, Wtf is wrong with people who can't understand people who don't like it?

>>720287320
>Rabi-Ribi
It's the best action platformer of our generation. The art style is cute because the gameplay is brutal.

>>720247036
>La mula a
I can't play a game that looks like this, is ugly and uninspired

>>720237973 (OP)
>Now that most of us have beat it
Man I wish was a NEET.

>>720285673
>what even triggers that cunt
Silk heart, silk heart, silk heart, all memory lockets.

>>720287392
>use a clever trick to get past an obstacle
>get stuck in a ditch with seemingly no way to escape
>try fucking everything in order to escape
>actually discover some odd unexplained movement tech
>it's not the movement tech you needed to escape, but it proved that hidden movement tech is in the game which is both exciting and boosts morale to not give up
>continue trying everything you can think of out of desperation
>finally you discover some tech that allows you to get out from where you're stuck
Rabi-Ribi is wild. Not to mention the boss battles.

>>720287465
>look up a gameplay video
What the hell is this

>>720287320
It's more of a challenge platformer bullet hell than metroidvania. I don't recommend it unless you like practicing bosses a lot. Also yes it's omega lolicon

>>720287454
There's a HUGE difference between saying "I don't like X game, it's not for me" vs "yeah, this game is a 5/10". It would be like a woman who doesn't like let's say Lord of the Rings and going "this is a 5/10".

>>720287323
the real-life Seth. if you can't into context clues that would've went over your head in the second credits.

>>720287594
A Metroidvania and a Bullet Hell had a baby and it was named Rabi-Ribi.

>>720287392
>>720287465
>>720287591
>>720287620
I don't know if I can get over the artstyle, but maybe I'll try it out. I am intrigued by multiple people saying that it's that good.

>>720276496
grin at this

>>720287006
You just meet him every now and again. He'll have his own quest later.

>>720287125
>silksong enjoyer is also a rabiribichad and esagod

the ludokinos need to stick together

Is there any benefit from going to The Slab early via the cage?
Aside from seeing naked Hornet?

>>720287659
Who actually reads credits

>>720287875
there's a big off-beat pause at the end. Guess whose name shows up?

>>720287727
not funny

>>720287858
Isn't it one of three paths into the Citadel?
Probably the slowest and most convoluted paths, but a path nonetheless. And I guess it's the only path not blocked by some huge boss if you for some reason struggle with judge and phantom for somehow?

>>720287930
white bugs fuck fleas

>>720287932
you can't get into the citadel from the west side of the slab but you can obtain wings and go through phantom like you said. there are only 2 paths in.

>>720237973 (OP)
7 and I'd put Hollow Knigh at 8.5
The true ending bumps Silksong to a 7.5 though.

Solid 9 with huge potential to go 10 if they do the free DLC right.

>>720287501
Yet you are ugly and uninspired and still go on living.

>>720288208
did they say they're doing free dlc again?

>>720237973 (OP)
I'd give it a pretty solid 9
Main complaint is exploration being fairly unrewarding at times, it sucked going through a fairly difficult platforming segment or a really out of the way area to be rewarded with a shard bundle or 30 rosaries

1/10, bullshit artificial difficulty

>>720237973 (OP)
rosary economy is retarded and really only serves to make the first ~10 hours less fun. enemies have too much hp throughout compared to the breadth of their movesets. most of the bosses only have 2-3 moves and are extremely bland. arts nice though.

>>720286353
>How is it not the best Metroidvania game?
NTA but
>Bland music
>Fetch quests
>Currency grinding
>Plenty of "that part"s
>No shinespark
The last point alone takes it out of consideration for the best immediately. The game is still good, but it's a 7 or maybe an 8 at best

Post your best bait

hung thug bugs ONLY

>>720288954
games a 9/10

>>720237973 (OP)
Hollow Knight is a consistent 10/10.
Silksong is simultaneously a 1/10 and an 11/10, I can't think of a better way to describe it.

>>720289153
He... He's just like me :')

>>720255413
Lost Lace is the final boss of Act 3 you fucking moron.

>>720237973 (OP)
It's 10/10 GOTY kino and best metroidvania.
>immersive world
>great art
>great music
>great combat
>great bossfights
>great challenge
>great movement (hello Blasphemous LMAO)
Farming? No need. You will generate both rosaries, shards by playing the game.
Tools are very strong so it's pretty logical to limit their usage. Want to spam tools? Go farm shards. This is your punishment.
Difficulty? This is Bloodborne situation. The silk is your meter and you're not supposed to hoard silk for healing. You use it to get damage and regenerate it back. The amount of movement onions is insane. 2 mask attacks? The moment you realize how strong your healing ability is (you can even use it in air) you will understand why 2 mask attacks even exist.

>>720289426
i like big tits generally but left suits hornet better

>>720287125
Good taste.

>>720289426
>Farming
>No need
Stopped reading there.
Hollow knightniggers tongue my anus

>>720289786
do tell your stage of the game and what you think you need XXXX rosaries for

>>720289426
>The silk is your meter and you're not supposed to hoard silk for healing.
I think this is the thing that's causing people problems
This isn't a game where you save your heals, this is a game where you heal early even if you waste a unit and dedicate half of your silk to opportunistic attacks. If you poke an enemy and you don't earn a unit of silk because you're at cap, you fucked up.

>>720289426
Bait used to be believable

wow so much genuine organic discussion guys, keep it up!

>>720289978
Can we discuss the fact that I do not, in fact, have a map for the Chroal Chambers and that this upsets me

>difficulty
I said it in another thread. But now I genuinely struggle to comprehend how it's such a common claim that the game is more difficult, or even considerably so.
And I am really not here trying to claim to be some kind of god gamer or that I'm even all that skilled. I'll fully admit that I genuinely struggle with Hollow Knight, and that I was shamefully fucking skill-filtered at 110% completion at no lack of trying, and either way, my path to that completion was no easy one.

But while things typically hit hard in Silksong, meaning that things have the potential to fuck you up quickly if you mess up in succession. In practise however? I just find it that the game gives such ample opportunity for you to recover from a bad position compared to Hollow Knight, or even many other games. Even the Souls games give you a finite number of heals but here your Silk is renewable provided you can just get some strikes in whenever. Meaning that you always have the potential to recover, and I'd argue that potential is much more amply given compared to Hollow Knight if one was to stick to that comparison.

In Hollow Knight boss fights, you typically only had like a very specific parts of the boss's movement pattern that gave you an opportunity to heal. For early game bosses that might have given you like a couple, but the game quickly reduces that to but a single opportunity to heal for the mid game. And then most importantly, for late game bosses the game all but removes all opportunities to heal during boss fights altogether, outside of the opportunity granted by temporarily stunning a boss. But then you'd have to relinquish your opportunity to deal damage during the stun instead, which would be the tradeoff. But it also means no free heal opportunities are given, so if you mess up, the game does not give you many options to recover from a bad spot.

>>720290076
Meanwhile in Silksong?
I swear fucking every single boss fight, for better or worse, has heal opportunities you can claim or make, at pretty much any given moment of the fights at all times. Hornet's incredible speed, agile movement, and ability to air-heal, really means that you just need to discern what part of the boss arena is safe at any given moment, and you'll likely be able to rush there quickly and heal successfully.
And unlike in Hollow Knight, this holds true for early, mid, and late game bosses.

Now I'll charitably claim that being easier isn't necessarily a "bad" thing even if I personally would have wanted the game to be more difficult. Identifying and grabbing those safe heal opportunities during the boss fights is rather engaging gameplay, no matter the difficulty. Which is a good thing. I would have just preferred to have both personally.
But that's the thing. As I stated, I'm not some greatly skilled player. I'll admit that my gameplay has been full of sloppy plays. But I've just been able to successfully recover from most of my misplays, so ultimately I've struggled far less than I did (and still do) with Hollow Knight.
The platforming in the environments also, while again more involved and engaging, is also easier than the platforming challenges Hollow Knight had (granted that Hollow Knight really only leaned into platforming properly with White Palace and Path of Pain). Silksong just has so many more and significant aerial options that can often allow you to adjust if not something straight up recover from mistakes while platforming. And for better or worse I don't really think a single section in Silksong really cranks up the brutality to really compensate for just how much better Hornet is at platforming. I do genuinely love how much more broadly the game leans into platforming though, difficulty aside. It's very satisfying to move through Pharloom.

But yeah I don't get the difficulty claims.

>Finally reach Bilewater boss
>Die from him
>Last bench was literally half an hour ago at the very bottom of location
This is something beyond bullshit. And i thought Last Judge runback was bad

This game is pure undistilled fun and a great example of IQ filtering
Git gud you faggots, learn to OBSERVE and THINK

>>720290313
>at the very bottom of location
>This is something beyond bullshit
That's because you missed a bench.

>>720290391
>Git gud you faggots, learn to OBSERVE and THINK
I think I'll just quick slash spam and throw 10 spike traps at the boss whenever he's about to do his cutscene scream so he gets hurt before the battle even starts and end the fight in 40 seconds instead.

>>720290391
or you can just spam tacks in nearly every fight

>>720241734
anyone who rates shitspedition 33 above a 6 has no taste at all.
Terrible terrible game.

>>720290313
Last Judge runback is literally nothing, why are people making such a big deal out of it?

>>720291458
Some people didn't beat Rayman Origins or Legends 100%

>>720267158
>>720266861
Do you know Aetherna Noctis? It's a 70 hour long metroidvania. You should play it since more always means better, right?

>>720289426
Why are w*men like this?

>>720291741
Legit terrible game. I am glad Silksong caused the devs to delay releasing Lucius, and I hope they go out of business.

>>720291263
It's an amazing game. And it becoming successful despite no one knowing it proves it while Silksong couldn't even beat it with 7 years of meme hype. Extremely pathetic.

>>720290076
>walls of text about boss fights
The difficulty is in how overly punishing and or annoying the game with its exploration segments.
90% of the complaints are about runbacks, currencies, quests and trash enemies, not about the bossfights.

>>720291263
E33 has so much skill and party customization autism that I can't help but love it.
And the explorable overworld is also very satisfying.

It's an old formula but it's executed well.

>>720291973
yes my fellow real organic 4channer nepo obscur: slopedition 33 is an amazing game and a work of art, truly game of the century!

>>720292180
Yeah sure, it's Clair Obscure with the inorganic posts, totally not the metroidvania indie that had a rabid reddit fanbase shilling for 7 years constantly.

>>720291981
>The difficulty is in how overly punishing and or annoying the game with its exploration segments.
But the game's platforming is simpler than anything Hollow Knight had. Like nothing is even White Palace tier. Not even the hidden caves, mount fay, or the clock core. None of it was.
There is just a lot of it. As I elaborated upon in my post.

And the currencies and stuff is really separate from difficulty. It really isn't something most people mention when they're claiming the game is more difficult.
You can claim it's its own issue, but it is separate.

>>720291981
I don't get why people bitch about content other than bossfights being hard. In most metroidvanias or soulslikes there's no challenge or friction in the exploration you just push forward oneshotting everything while grabbing useless loot. Silksong makes you actually learn the mobs attacks and screens

>>720292327
indeed my fellow non-paid free thinker, it is unthinkable that someone would hire cheap talentless labor force to spam the internet for the sake of building up fake hype and condition the oh so gullible normalcattle; completely unthinkable!
A masterpiece such as Ai Genned: AssetFlip 33 would never employ such underhanded tactics!

>>720292508
Or you just run past them because they're not worth fighting for how little stuff they give.

>>720292523
It's funny how any word fits Silksong way better, especially since Silksong is more of an asset flip than even tears of the kingdom.

I'm getting tired of these games where the only real worthwhile content are the bosses and everything else is blatant uninspired padding

>>720291981
>90% of the complaints are about runbacks, currencies, quests and trash enemies, not about the bossfights.
No. 90% of complaints are not that.
And it's an extremely common thing that say that the game is a lot ore difficult than hollow knight. With boss fights often being cited.

>>720292652
Did you just miss the platforming that's all over the entire game world?

>>720292630
so incredibly true and valid chatter, since silksong might have done astroturfing that completely justifies our own astroturf campaign!

>>720292801
The platforming infested with spikes and annoying flying enemies? No, unfortunately I did not miss that.

>>720292801
>get poke by an input reading flyer as you jump over a gap
>fall into 2 damage pit
wow content

>>720292652
yeah I agree fromsoft has lost their touch long ago but this is a silksong thread

>>720292924
>The platforming infested with spikes and annoying flying enemies?
Bounce on them. Dodge them. You're several hundred times more agile in this game than in most.

Silksong feels like it was designed by a Josh Sawyer tier control freak who was hell bent on not letting people "break" it and have fun with it in their own way.
This is why the upgrades are so sparse and inconsequential:
>a single mask upgrade is nearly useless because enemies are mostly doing double mask damage, so you don't feel Hornet is getting tougher until midway through act 2 until you can finally scramble together 7 masks
>weapon damage upgrades are a COMPLETE PAIN IN THE ASS to get, the second is tied to a bunch of miserable fetch quests including speedtranny delivery quest designed by a joyless autist
>spool upgrades are the most common because they are virtually useless, once you get Clawline and upgraded dash, it's nearly impossible to maintain silk between encounters anyway
This is also why the charms feel like shit. Seriously, out of like 40 charms only 5-6 are actually genuinely useful, and you don't have the room for anything else anyway.
Any sane developer would've allowed you to freely swap between at least 2 crests during exploration, which would greatly diversify the gameplay in general, so you don't have to suffer platforming with Beast's terrible pogo but could still use it for combat encounters. But alas.

This game is not even a relic of the past. A fucking La Mulana was less clunky to play and allowed you to hotswap between all weapons at once. It's a self indulgent mess, something created by people who huffed their own farts for 7 years. But i also cannot say that it's a genuinely bad game or anything, because it objectively had a ton of work put into it. So i'd rate it 6 or 7 out of 10 i guess. Original HK was unironically more tightly balanced and i rate that game as a 8.

>>720290076
The way you have to jump out of the screen for it to scroll towards the wall is cheeky. But I like it.

>>720237973 (OP)
I'll give it a 7.
Its polished, the pogo movement is fun and exploration is fun. But they made some critical design error on pretty much every boss fight.

Teach Cherry when they need to make a game design decision: "What Would Dark Souls Do"
They don't seem to really understand why they are making the decisions they make.
The difficulty is often not the boss fights but the corpse run to the boss fight.
Is that the challenge people want? Were they incapable of making the boss fights difficult enough to stand on their own merit?
I beat each boss so far in 6 attempts or less but the amount of corpse run resets is extremely boring and obnoxious.

>>720237973 (OP)
The systems of the game feel like it was designed for a linear platformer rather than a metroidvania.

Who the fuck thought that removing focus gain from charged attacks was a good idea? Why? Why would you take a perfectly functional system from 1, remove two charged attack inputs and then gigafuck it like this?

>>720293135
>>weapon damage upgrades are a COMPLETE PAIN IN THE ASS to get
The first upgrade is free the moment you beat Widow.
The second upgrade is also extremely easy to get since you just need to get into the backdoor of the room with the pinmaster sign outside of it. It's not terribly difficult or time consuming to achieve.

The others require significantly more investment. But you can pretty much get an instant upgrade the moment you reach Bellhart and later when you reach the Citadel for another.

>>720237973 (OP)
HK used to be a 10, now it's a 9 and Silksong a 10

>>720237973 (OP)
Silksong is a 9/10
HK was 8/10

>>720293506
Another issue with the sword upgrades is that you barely even feel them. I think it's like 0.2 upgrade to damage per upgrade the most. The Bellheart one can barely be felt at all.

>>720237973 (OP)
Silksong = 10/10
HK = 8/10

>>720293192
>The difficulty is often not the boss fights but the corpse run to the boss fight.
People keep making this claim. But most of them are under a minute. Where is it people keep dying where it's such a bother to run back?

>>720283357
>believing what you read from random anons on /v/
Not gonna make it.

>>720239938
>Gigachad reaction image
>Dogshit opinion
Every. Single. Time.
>>720241734
All the negative reviews are either salty chinks, or salty noobs.

>>720293802
legit the only runback that is long is bilewater and even then every single run in dark souls 1 is worse. If anything I would eliminate boss entrance and dream harp animations

Silksong feels very Blasphemous inspired in terms of themes but it has none of the quality of life from Blasphemous 2.

>>720293802
They're under a minute once you redo it enough to get fast at that particular segment. And even then, the fastest route is often going to involve multiple pogos and dodging enemies, miss one of those steps and you just reset because why start the boss fight with less health.
Which is just busy work padding, its not interesting or fun. I dont play games for busy work.

>>720293192
If you're doing corpse runs repeatedly then by assumption you're also having problems with a boss. It's okay to say the game is hard because it is compared to most other things nowadays
Corpse runs are shit tho I agree

>>720293969
>legit the only runback that is long is bilewater
This >>720290679 one?
I guess it's a tad longer. But even here it's not even the run back that takes time, but the combat gauntlet before the boss.

>>720294064
I don't consider 6-7 attempts maximum for boss fights to be THAT difficult. Yeah its harder than most games but still wouldn't necessarily say its difficult without the corpse runs.
Most corpse run resets are due to some flying enemy following me the entire corpse run, and spamming attacks as I pogo around to get back to the boss, annoying as hell.

>>720294043
>They're under a minute once you redo it enough to get fast at that particular segment.
Improving at platforming is fun though. And if you're already good at it then it's not even a problem to begin with, no?

If you aren't a fan of platforming I'd get it. But then I'd argue you're just kind of playing the wrong game. Not that the game is bad for it.

>>720294240
Platforming is probably the best part of the game.
But theres a big difference between platforming and repeating the same exact platforming sequence many times in a row. Thats just padding.

>>720248442
You have no soul if you don't think Act 3 was pure kino

>>720294184
yeah people are just pussies and don't remember the first game's ones

>it's a 7/10 game
>it's a good thing they increased the difficulty
>too much grind, and that bloodborn mechanic took out the fun
>dialogue sucks, wannabe Yoda
>music? yeah its good but nothing to write home about
>to be desu, I expected more after 7 years of development


is he right or retarded?

>>720294793
>>it's a good thing they increased the difficulty
Again. Why does everyone claim it's more difficult?

>>720287913
>Guess whose name shows up?
Is he the one with the last name Goldberg or Goldman or something who appeared separately from the 2k kickstarter backers? I was wondering who that was and just assumed he paid the most or something.

>>720284817
You've got something to look forward to.

>>720294793
I have no idea who this is.

>>720293135
>the second is tied to a bunch of miserable fetch quests including speedtranny delivery quest designed by a joyless autist
If you don't like platforming then why are you playing a metroidvania? Fucking FOTM bandwagon faggots.

>>720285681
>>Lots of rosary farming is needed to buy out the shops
Or you just don't buy the stuff immediately?
If you don't have enough rosaries by the end then I'd be pretty shocked.

>>720294793
I don't know who this is but I mostly agree

I'm baffled. How the fuck do you make this jump.

>>720295453
You pogo off of the spikes below.

>it's another area with flying enemies that always stay out of your attack range and fires projectiles
Man, it's only the first season and they're only going for the flashback filler episodes. Also I hate reruns.

>>720294793
>Taking a swedish hobo seriously
No

>>720295453
You can do it anon, its hard but doable

>>720295494
You can't pogo without a weapon.

Much like HK, Silksong left me satisfied but also instilled an insatiable craving of just wanting more.
I wish there was more Hollow Knight and I wish there was more Silksong.

And that's the mark of a 9-10 for me.

>>720295453
Seems like you could just jump off and glide into an air dash? Maybe have to hit the right angle to not bop your head on that platform?

>>720294793
>>too much grind
nope

>>720268570
Agreed, this is something I hated about Expedition 33 compared to the best JRPGs of the past. I can still remember so many zone themes in FF7 or Xenoblade 1 but not a single one from E33.

>>720295453
only way i could figure out a way to do it was by killing myself and jumping off the cocoon. which cant be intentional.

>>720295602
he cant glide, he's doing the prison escape sequence after you get abducted by one of those bloodborne rip offs

>>720295515
You sprint. Jump. Air dash. And if you didn't get it within reach in time, you also have the clawline.
Made even less of an issue if you have the charm that boosts sprinting. And double jump can also help you adjust before air dashing/clawlining.

>>720294896
>hornet takes twice as much damage as little ghost
>hornet only gets to use 1 spell from a selection of 6 and they are all weaker than the 3 little ghost had access to at all times
>getting hit while casting a spell or healing completely deletes all your silk
>every enemy comes with the improved AI that was unique to more powerful variants of hollow knight 1 enemies
>much weaker selection of charms
>health upgrades basically do not exist until halfway into act 2 so you are stuck at 3 hits til death for 60% of the game
I don't know, man. People must be crazy or something.

>>720295453
>>720295602
Just realized this is the slab, I never got captured in my playthrough, so I have no idea.

>>720295453
Can't you just jump further down for a good angle and then dash?

>>720295337
It's one thing to like platforming and another to like timed delivery fetch quests.

KINOOOOOO
I CLAPPED
I'M SÖYFACING SO HARD RIGHT NOW

>tfw feel empty again after finishing it

Bros...

Bros... the 3rd phase of the Cogwork Dancers...

>>720295453
i actually never figured out how to do this without death boosting either.

>>720295714
>>hornet takes twice as much damage as little ghost
>>hornet only gets to use 1 spell from a selection of 6 and they are all weaker than the 3 little ghost had access to at all times
>>getting hit while casting a spell or healing completely deletes all your silk
>>every enemy comes with the improved AI that was unique to more powerful variants of hollow knight 1 enemies
>>health upgrades basically do not exist until halfway into act 2 so you are stuck at 3 hits til death for 60% of the game
And none of this changes how you can so much more easily heal successfully in Silksong. Which allows you to much more easily recover from mistakes.
See >>720290076, >>720290124.

>>720295337
>Run through the same area again with zero changes but now you have a time limit and can't get hit
I don't like padding, I don't like shitty MMO quests in my metroidvanias

Just finished the last boss with the soul snare
The most fun bosses are also the easiest and have the least bullshit
>grand mother silk
>lace
>first sinner
>last judge
>cogwork dancers

>>720239782
>Game ends with a 'To be continued'
They're gonna add it later

Is there something else to turn off in High Halls besides the triangle silk stealers spawn?

>>720295865
Use your tools if you need to brother.
Also that fight is pure kino.

>>720295869
>And none of this changes how you can so much more easily heal successfully in Silksong
It doesn't matter. Your heals charge longer, your spells and charged attacks are worse, all your offensive options are worse which translates into longer encounters with more opportunities to make mistakes.

I think I missed the shakra boss fight by progressing into act 3.
0/10 I hate it I want to fight her

>>720295869
>tee hee I'll just deny any of that is a problem like a dismissive faggot I am, now check out this novel of cope
I shan't read your retard babble. Go fuck yourself with a cactus

It's pretty bloated. I'd say that's where you can feel the 7 year development time the most. You can tell they did spend most of that time just adding shit when they thought of it instead of making sure everything that was there was super tight. You could cut a good third off the bosses and all of the wishes and lose nothing of worth

>>720296015
It's the first fight since Mantis Lords where I feel like the music is just perfect

In some way i do appreciate the fact Hornet is significantly weaker than the Knight because it also fits the canon
Quite funny that we were controlling a literal god in training in 1 and the strongest being in the entire bugverse

I found the game's difficulty overblown with the exception of Sinner's Road > Bilewater. Did I miss something or this is just an insane gauntlet? I never found a bench in Bilewater either.

>>720239782
He'll be the Godhome equivalent final boss probably

>>720296441
>Another godhome
Please no

>keeping dead people on your wall
creepy ass citadel

start of act 3 is a piece of shit
>forced back to hunter
>no charms or tools
>run back is full of annoying garbage like steam and cogs
>have to fight a gauntlet of those faggot flying guys

>>720296098
>>tee hee I'll just deny any of that is a problem
But I did.
How the fuck is taking damage meant to be a huge issue if you can recover easily from the damage?
Compare it to Hollow Knight bosses that don't let you heal at all unless you stun the boss, and you might take less damage from the boss but you better clutch the fuck up because if you take damage it'll likely stick.
In Silksong you just run to safety and heal. And you'll likely succeed.

So tell me what's so bad about taking more damage if the damage doesn't last?
How is losing your silk upon getting hit when binding meant to be a some kind of big issue if you can very easily run to safety and heal without getting hit?

I told you how it's easy to recover in Silksong.
The fact that it's so easy to recover opposes all the points I cited.
Oh right. You claim you didn't even read my post. Maybe you shouldn't claim I didn't deny anything then.

>>720296563
>back to hunter
But I never left

>>720267527
>blasted steps music
TSKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSK TING TING BUM TAKTSKTSKTSKTSKTSK

>claims the game is more difficult
>can't back up his claims
>post baby shitposts when challenged
lol
lmao even

>>720237973 (OP)
5/10

>>720295774
the delivery quests in this game are way way easier than the flower one in hollow knight, it really shouldn't take you more than 3 tries

>>720241018
Pretty much. The only fun exploration moment for me in Silksong was when I opened the closed doors above starting town, discovered tunnel with worms and fell to the graveyard with wanderer's crest. That was the only 30min from my entire playthrough when i felt like in hollow knight. The rest just feels like hollow knight kaizo with no atmosphere or style.

>>720296202
I agree, you could see their ideas, but it had such lazy execution.
Some parts of the game are really great though so I don't know how to feel.

2/10 Metroidvania is an outmoded genre and should just surrender to the superior 2D ARPG

>>720241018
Hollow Knight exploration peaks at City of Tears and the surprise Abyss drop

Silksong actually had areas with memorable gimmicks and more fleshed out themes.

>>720296907
>that image
nta but taking the time to upload an image will always be a loss on 4chan unless its a smug anime girl, hth

>>720298147
it should fully morph together with shoot em ups.

i wonder if the dev is going to be smart enough to sell or license the IP/company to a major publisher or if he's retarded enough to think his success after a seven year dev cycle represents responsible management, or worse, care about keeping it in the vault for art's sake

if he doesn't notch the fuck out he's gotta be the luckiest retard on the planet

>>720297357
I think you have rose-tinted glasses. I played Hollow Knight last week and it wasn't much different. Maybe just the fact that there's more towns, or safe zones.

>>720298254
based and rabbitpilled

>>720240880
>But rescuing Lace? I don't get why Hornet gave a shit about her when Lace is literally nothing but trouble the entire game and spites every party.
As the other anon said, Lace did save her. She might feel indebted to some degree.
But primarily I believe she feels a kinship with Lace. They might not be related by blood as she was with her hollow knight half-brothers, but in spirit and concept they were both born from pale beings into cursed existences. The parallels between them are strong.
Lace is Pharloom's Hornet. And while I might be reading a bit into it, it is my own reading of the game that I think it's pretty strongly suggested that Hornet recognized this herself and that it resonated with her.