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>Previous thread
>>536603562

This jobby ai'nt for the faint of heart.

>The Holy Trinity
>Pick 3
>DPS, Tank, Healer triangle
>Rule of thirds
>Three Musketeers
>Three wishes
>Three Little pigs
>Rock, paper, scissors
>Three-legged stool
>The Three Stooges
>Three laws of motion
>Three Amigos
>Three starter Pokemon
>Rule of three
I think I'm starting to get it, agdg.

100,000 new users join steam every day.

China will save indie games

>>536695312
>3chan

>>536694731 (OP)
>giving itch a cut when they flop over backwards to payment processors executing project 2025
grey dashboard gang

>>536695312
1 choice is no choice
2 choices is not enough choice and was the baseline for much of human history before people started noticing 2 sides of the same coin
3 is enough choice while being easy on brainlets
4 is too much choice and too much thinking

>>536695312
Sly, murray, bently
Sonic, tails, knuckles
Sora, donald, goofy

My game only has gamepad support. How screwed am I?

>you can only pick positive or negative and not neutral
steam ain't much of a fan huh

>>536695462
>More steam users than ever
>More games being released than ever
>Games are more likely to receive reviews thanks to rewards and reminders
>The sales to reviews ratio went from roughly 50/1 to 25/1
>Still only ~420 games a year reach 1000 reviews
>10% of those are porn games
>That means not only is it harder to reach 1000 reviews - 1000 reviews also translates to less sales than it did in the past

I keep gaining weight even though I don't look different

>>536695740
royally screwed. like king charles on a runaway icedrill

>>536695909
>didn't even include inflation and that indie games have stayed the same price for over a decade and that money you'll get is worth less with every year

>>536695909
>>536696083
ofc the system is rigged but people are pissed off and we're at the end of the jewish century so maybe change is coming
its absurd that devs dont get the biggest share for selling our games while gaben makes billions to buy yachts, its the reason why indies dont naturally evolve into studios like early devs did, we just dont get enough to invest into a studio since we barely break even

>>536695875
>game is incredible but has a fundamental flaw preventing it from being a 10/10
>user reviews it mid and says he'll change to positive if it's 'fixed'

blick

>>536696314
>ofc the system is rigged but people are pissed off and we're at the end of the jewish century so maybe change is coming
And what are they gonna do? Tweet more hashtags?

>>536696443
where is my wife runa

With renewed hope and knowledge I understand that I could, possibly, tentatively, make it.
I just need to stop over-complicating everything and move on to the finish line already.

Finishing and releasing a game would already be an achievement in itself.

>>536695312
Huh, intredasting

>>536696443
Is this going to be basically 3d Oxygen not Included? One thing I really wanted in some of the colony games I've played was the non focus on combat.

>>536696490
i do my part and participate in the class action lawsuit against valve, we need a stop killing game movement that would benefit devs and gamers and getting jews out of power

>>536695040
This is the truth. AI can't be trusted worth a damn. Even if it were infallible, you're basically hiring someone else to create shit where, if they're ever gone, you'll lack the technical competence to engage in upkeep.

>>536696737
Isn't this the biggest problem that AI bros seem to not get? They aren't actually learning anything. Every time I see them pointing to someone who is actually creating something with it, don't realize and or forget that person actually has the technical skills. Like if you can't even program basic game like Pong or draw beyond stick men, I highly doubt you will actually make anything coherent.

>>536696675
>One thing I really wanted in some of the colony games I've played was the non focus on combat.
Not just me. So glad.

>>536696737
>>536697126
Why do you assume the person using AI doesn't know anything about how to code or the code that's being generated? You can spend an entire afternoon typing shit or you can spend 2 minutes giving chatgpt a prompt.

What if we focus too much on making a cool idea, but we never start questioning what if instead of copying a popular game or making X with Y mechanics, we start to think about solving human spiritual needs instead of making a roguelike deckbuilder?

>>536697374
>Why do you assume the person using AI doesn't know anything about how to code or the code that's being generated?
Because the amount of people who use AI without knowing how to code is greater than the amount of people who know how to code but still use AI. Like if someone reads off a recipe book verbatim is not fair to assume that they don't know the recipe off the top of their head?

>>536696490
It's an incredible long shot but I am slowly working toward building an alternative platform for indies.

>>536697327
Check out the game Ratopia. It has combat. Much less technical base building than ONI though, but it also has taxes.

>>536697374
>Why do you assume the person using AI doesn't know anything about how to code or the code that's being generated?
Pattern recognition. Most people I see on the bandwagon are people who want to make GT6 with Chatgpt levels of retarded, rather than the competent senior dev who simply uses it like any other tool.

Wanna bet how many people you will find in the former rather than the latter? I bet all of my money.

>>536695312
>mfw every game nowadays has triangles as its rendering primitive

>>536697505
The Lord has already saved all your souls, don't you remember? This mortal realm is just a playground before eternity in the heavens. Roguelike deckbuilders are fun and more of what we need in this world.

>>536696443
kino

>>536697505
my roguelike deckbuilder addresses humans spiritual needs

Now that the dust has settled, where did it all go so wrong for Unity?

>>536697505
There's a spiritual need to win and my roguelike deckbuilder gives you that.

https://gx.games/games/r5r8eb/pixurbia/

About 80 people so far from 4chan have played my 2D crime sandbox browser game Pixurbia. If you played it, I updated the game and made the enemy and police AI way more optimized. If it was lagging your game it should be all good now. Apologies if the lag ruined the game for you, I had the game less optimized before because it still ran great on the Windows .exe export. Just did some more testing and it runs silky smooth now.

>>536697850
Nothing

>SceneTreeTimers are bound to the scene tree, meaning they only pause when you pause the entire tree
>you want to pause the timer when pausing the bound node? Sorry, use something else. :^)

I'm convinced the Godot devs never made a game. SceneTreeTimers are worthless. Why can one-off tweens be bound to a node, but timers cannot?

>>536697850
They were forced to pay 4.4 billions for a failing israeli mobile company that fudged its numbers and used malware company called ironsource and merged their management with unity, the result was, well everyone knows what happened.

>>536698275
>musician isn't sensation and feeling

>>536697850
they went public
appeasing stockholders resulted in a series of shit decisions that shed their userbase
many such cases

>>536697979
Can't you do something about the way the camera moves when the character moves? The camera should pan with the mouse not the WASD keys. It's making me nauseated.

>>536697850
Nothing went wrong for Unity. Things went right for Godot.

>>536697850
>unity stays about the same
>godot tripled
where the fuck are these devs coming from

>>536697850
>Unreal forever remaining small
Did I choose the wrong engine to dedicate my foreseeable career to? Maybe I should have joined the masses. Learn C#.

>>536695740
My game can be played keyboard-only, gamepad-only, or mouse-only (no keyboard).

Unity was the defacto slop engine
The only reason godot is slightly less slop is the fact the troonity retards had enough insight to leave. That's basically it.

>>536679726
Glad to hear the sausage idea worked out, anon

>>536698639
No one wants to open up a bloated ass unreal game for GMTK.

>>536698637
is there some big godot influencer or something?

>>536698508
Godot is lightweight to download and get going. It takes like less than a minute, downloading export templates a little bit longer. Sure, 3D support isn't as good as Unity, but for 2D you can start right away. Unity installation can take an hour then you still have to get the packages you want and that's not including the part where you have to get visual studio code too. Also Unity will 100% crash on the first day whereas Godot is unlikely to crash until the project gets bigger.

>>536697850
usual parasites doing what they do best

>he isn't delaying his game's release due to silksong
NGMI

Made 3 new enemy ships these past few days. They're all fairly similar in the "bulbous" design as they're from a single faction, though I may take the left purple one and refit it a bit to be part of a water-based faction.

Also I submitted my steam page for review on Friday, worried it wasn't going to get approved in time to register for next fest (and it still isn't approved), but I checked anyway and it turns out I was able to register for Next Fest without needing to have the store page approved and public. So, very happy about that, as I really wanted to enter the fest.

>>536699225
I am delaying my game for DD because Silksong releases before DD.

>>536698639
No unreal is easily the most industry standard and will continue to be that way.
If you want a job in industry that's the way to go, if you want to make high quality 3d indie games that's they way to go. And unreal will continue to get more work done on it, and this model will keep working because only the best companies can afford to keep bottlenecks like custom engines because all of their groundwork is already in there it would end up costing more money to retrain talented senior devs while also sacrificing total control and ownership, versus just employing engine engineers to keep making improvements.
This model works internally at capcom, fromsoftware, nintendo, bethesda, etc. But a lot of these companies will hire or buy out studios that are used to a different more commercial framework, like unreal engine. for example bethesda hired a company to use unreal source code to integrate oblivion code. Making a hybrid engine/game.

>>536699225
the trannies who play that would never play my game

>>536698810
I think ever since the Unity fiasco, newer devs who never made a game before opted for Godot before anything else. No doubt a lot of current Godot users were former Unity devs, but most Unity devs aren't just gonna up and switch to an engine on the fly like that.

>>536699513
>for example bethesda hired a company to use unreal source code to integrate oblivion code. Making a hybrid engine/game.
I still don't fucking understand how this works. How the fuck can you have gameplay code run in another engine separately from the graphics engine? What the fuck is even happening here?

anyone else here making their dream game WITHOUT the financial support of a girlfriend?

>>536694731 (OP)
>jannies when kike faggy souless game
>20+ post in /v/ + general in /vg/
>jannies when a fellow anon makes soulful game
>pic_related.png

>refining UE5 blueprint
>realize I can just sequence things happening in the first event to run down and trigger the second event, allowing me to not require an event tick and thus making the entire process relating to the event sustain itself as one unified thing
Efficiency is fun.

>>536699736
lolitroon are obnoxious shitposters so yeah i can see jannies being fed up having to clean up the same ban evading shitposters over and over and not giving you the benefit of the doubt arent there other 4chan clones who are more pedo friendly? maybe go there or bluesky

I want to throw devs who add screenshake to their game out of a building.

>>536699736
lolidevbros...

>>536699912
But the juice video told me to.

>>536699225
I'm shifting my release to the same day.
>everybody shifts dates
>my game and silksong are the only games to release that day

>>536699225
are silksong devs just dumb? why did they choose to give only a two week notice that their game is releasing?

>>536700067
I reckon there will actually be a flood of games that day for that very reason

>>536679726
I brown the sausage and then boil them in chicken stock, cooks well and mixes with the stock making both more delicious. I've always been nervous about undercooked pork.
I then take them out and use them in everything. You can cook like 20+ sausages with this method.
Also for eggs I do ramen eggs. Very good.
Also the secret to scrambled eggs is milk.
And the secret to sunny side up eggs is salt on top of the yolk.
Now if only I knew the secret to cooking steak

>>536699912
I removed screenshake from the vfx asset i got from humble bundle

What is the best VS-like, and why is it Brotato? I tried finding better ones to take inspiration from but none are better.

>>536699905
jannies prune and ban fellow 4channers but let an army of shills make 20+ threads that barely hit 10 replies in /v/ with no problem (last time i saw it was with Expedition 33 and their army of almost empty 1 ip threads)

>>536699225
Ugh fine I'll delay it by another year jeez now it'll be done in 11 years instead of 10
happy?
>>536700164
To completely mute silksong shitters cause they already marketed the game.

>>536700174
too many 200iq devs... shit

>>536700207
centipede or robotron

is being a gamedev actually more difficult than being a dm?

>>536695312
https://youtu.be/EP-JtXlJINo

>>536700540
Yes. Being a DM is easy because someone has to do it.

morrowlike progress. All weapon animations are done. Animations are a pain in the ass but setting up a good rig goes a very long way
>sword
>claymore
>spear
>halberd
>axe
>battleaxe
>bow
>crossbow

>>536700207
My favorite is still 20 minutes until dawn. It's a bit simple by many standards, but it's the most refined from a visual perspective. Most straight up look like shovelware otherwise.

>>536699668
I'm not a nepobaby like eric so I'm a REAL indie dev because i'm doing it all solo including supporting myself

Qayanite sisters, are we locked in?

>>536700931
This is an Abelite general thougbeit

>>536700667
>real Morrowlike in 2025
Lets fucking go

>>536700540
Yes, being a game developer (gamedev) is generally more difficult than being a Dungeon Master (DM)—though it depends on the context and scale of each role.

1. Complexity

Gamedev involves coding, art, design, testing, performance optimization, publishing, and often teamwork. It's technical and requires mastering multiple disciplines.

DMing focuses on storytelling, improvisation, worldbuilding, and managing players, but the tools are usually pen, paper, and imagination.

2. Time Investment

A full game can take months or years to develop.

A DM preps for hours per session, but it’s less of a long-term technical grind.

3. Tools & Skills

Gamedevs need to know programming languages (like C++, Python, etc.), engines (Unity, Unreal), asset creation, and debugging.

DMs need creativity, social management, and narrative skill—but not software engineering.

4. Audience Expectations

Games are consumed by potentially thousands or millions of players with high expectations for polish and performance.

DMs run sessions for small groups, and mistakes or improvisation are often welcomed.

5. Pressure & Stakes

Gamedevs face deadlines, bugs, budgets, and user reviews.

DMs manage fun for friends, with far lower external pressure.

Conclusion:

Gamedev is generally harder due to its technical depth, long development cycles, and broader stakes.
DMing is challenging in its own way, but it’s usually more flexible, creative, and social than technical.

>>536701346
didn't read plus reddit spacing

>>536700207
It is Brotato and that's because the other games are just imitations.

>>536700667
The real question now is the plot. Im thinking of
>be on a boat like Columbus in a fleet
>your boat capsizes near the shore and get captured by savages/natives
>they pit 2 of you to fight to the death like that deer hunter movie or kobra kai (fighting tutorial)
>another guy helps you sneak out (sneak tutorial) and teaches you some spells (magic tutorial)
and then you go around taking over all the villages

Only problem with this is that you don't get real fantasy stuff since the whole mainland isn't conquered yet. Maybe I'll just make some coastal cities of the good guys and then you move west taking shit over. IDK any ideas? Plot is 0 right now I'm mainly focusing on combat/gameplay and really have no preference if you guys want to give me some high level ideas I just don't want the story to be millennial and gay

>>536701607
You don't need a plot for a Morrowind clone. You simply need a bunch of stuff to do.

>>536701346
No, being a Dungeon Master is clearly harder than being a game developer.
1. Complexity
Gamedevs just press buttons until Unity or Unreal magically spits out a game. Coding? You can literally copy-paste it from Stack Overflow. DMs, however, must invent entire universes out of thin air, keep every detail consistent, and also act out ten different goblin voices without laughing. Show me a programmer who can improvise good dialogue mid-combat while juggling pizza orders.

2. Time Investment
A video game takes years? Sure—but those years are padded with coffee breaks, patch updates, and reusing the same assets over and over. A DM has to prepare every single week, sometimes multiple times, for players who will immediately ignore all their prep, kill the wrong NPC, and burn down the city. That’s eternal Sisyphean suffering.

3. Tools & Skills
DMs have to memorize rulebooks thicker than most programming manuals and then break those rules on the fly to keep players happy. Plus, they’re performing live without an “undo” button. Gamedevs get infinite retries, compilers to point out mistakes, and debuggers that tell them what’s wrong. A DM’s debugger is a table of glaring players asking, “So what happens next?”

4. Audience Expectations
Gamers complain on Steam reviews, but they still buy the game. Players at a table will roast a DM in real time, out loud, to their face. And unlike gamedevs, DMs can’t patch their mistakes the next morning—they live with the shame forever.

5. Pressure & Stakes
A bad game dev can blame the publisher, the engine, or “market conditions.” A bad DM has no shield—the players know exactly who ruined the session. Plus, gamedev is a job you can quit. DMs are bound for life. Nobody ever stops being the DM once they start—it’s like a curse.
Conclusion:
Game development is just fancy Excel with extra steps. DMing is live theater, politics, improv, cartography, psychology, and divine punishment all at once. Clearly harder.

>>536701607
Anon, plot is the least of your worries when making an Elder Scrolls-like. We've actually had an idea about for a Morrowind-like called Lunarwind (it's set on the moon), so you can borrow that. We've got plenty of writers here you could team up with when the time comes.

>>536701905
>>536701346
Stop using AI to make retarded posts

A game where two AI are locked in a battle together and are sucking up the world's energy sources rapidly, so humanity has to put an end to it or else face extinction.

>>536702107
But the AI bubble is already popping. Increasing scale has diminishing returns, so sucking up the world's energy is not worth it.

>>536701346
>>536701905

oh wow, another 600 posts talking about AI and 0 progress

>>536701863
There will be. I have the magic/combat systems all coded out for different cast types (over time, blast, continuous blast, summon) and I have 8 magic types with 6 fairly unique spells created for each group (so 48 spells). I still need to animate them, but that's easier than weapon animations. I'm also building it out to be multiplayer compatible for PVP/PVE. Only thing is the graphics are going to be low poly unless I can get better at art but I figure I can write it off as "charm" and have programmer art and just do a lot with particles
>fire
>water
>stone
>electricity
>air
>light
>dark
>poison

Might also throw in some summon spells as well and have a fairly robust climbing system. Only thing daunting will be making all these animations (pic related) in FPS as well but I frontloaded the hard stuff for smooth sailing in the future

>>536700667
Post dialogue system?

>>536702361
All me, you're welcome cause if I did progress instead of shitting I'd be so prolific aggy would die cause it would all just be my progress.
You're welcome that I hold myself back

>>536702296
y'all been saying that since 2023

>>536702452
Haven't done that yet. I do my animations on my mac laptop while I watch shark tank and I'm in the middle of a move so my PC is in a cardboard box right now. But I figure that isn't going to be too bad, the worst part will be UI design I think

>>536702452
This is cool you should ask square to make all your assets and then asset flip the rest and then become famous and rich

how do i get good at character design

>>536702724
ackshually the name is alicedev now ok?

progress...

>>536700773
>gets to traditional roguelike
>"ew, spreadsheet game. I'm sorry I can't do that"
>skips
trad roguelike devs why are we treated like this

>>536702741
brave AI artist showing his craft

>>536702627
That doesn't make it not true.

>>536702865
She's right thoughbeit. Traditional roguelikes read like a spreadsheet.

>>536702865
low iq troons do be like that

>>536627154
You are wrong, there are several progress posts above yours.

>>536703076
that's not true thougheverbeit

Currently picking up an absolute mess where I left off and feeling like I need to drop the pixel art aesthetic because of how time consuming it is. It helps me hide mistakes a lot better though.

Threw this together last night with some quick lineart over a 3d model and photobashing textures but it feels kind of soulless? Feels like Temu Hades?

The plus side its much faster to create assets with no resolution restrictions.

>>536703315
Holy kino

>>536699665
Proxies. Each bethseda game object calls into the unreal code to spawn an unreal proxy object, which it then forwards its position and animation frame updates to continuously

>>536702462
Absented Age is by far the best game in that pile of trash and of course she dismissed it

making (good) games is genuinely so difficult that i recently got a job at a warehouse and it unironically feels like a vacation in comparison

>>536703315
because there is no point of showing that, it is just the corner of a room. if you added more detail like tables,bricks,moss or other meaning assets around there it would still look soulless, you have to give meaning to it, like adding a visual cue to the next area

>>536704159
I get your visual queue idea and it does make sense. In reality it would be part of a grouped level.
It was more of a test on how well the assets stand up on their own without any visual clutter but you make a very good point. I can simply add more shit to increase perceived fidelity without increasing workload on individual assets.

Why the fuck does the UI navigation not work during dialogue but it's fine in the pause menu.

How do i know whatever engine i decide to use isnt creating input lag?
How do i know if an engine can get the gamefeel/movement i want?
How do i know im actually programming that stuff correctly? As in as low level and close to the hardware as possible with absolutely no possibility for input lag? I have this paranoia that if i use an engine theres a very very high chance that ill never ever be able to make a character feel how i want to no matter how much i try because engines come with a billions different pieces of software that all have a chance of getting in the way of my desired gamefeel, but if i use a framework then it just might be possible if i cram study the math hard enough. Like there are no unreal games that feel even close to as good as source games feel and i dont understand why? I assume its just impossible to get good movement with unreal right? Theres just something about it that makes all games slow and clunky, is that a fair conclusion to come to?

All i care about is fun movement and gamefeel and i cant seem to find much written about learning how to create that and the math behind it. Ok schizo rant over please answer my questions sorry if i sound like a psycopath.

How about AI zeldalike?

>>536704569
Make a basic movement system first

>>536704685
that's obviously an AI elden ring-like stupit ass

>>536704842
>elden ring invented big glowing trees

I'm a nepo baby where's my game

>>536696443
MML feel to that enemy design. Good job.

>>536702741
>Juan Carlos Madman
cool name

>>536698379
this
no game industry company should ever go public there's no reason to
you make money in the game industry by making good products not by bloating up your stock value

they let the kikes in and the kikes ruined everything

>>536691865
If I was a white man, and my penis was 6 or 7 inches long, would that be an average penis length?

>>536704914
AI is definitely taking from eldel ringo for that

>>536704805
In a framework right?

Bro if you're worried about input lag just turn off v-sync. It's that easy.

>>536704569
source games have some of the driest game feel ever
but the answer is to throw it together in an engine and if that doesn't work have fun engine deving

>>536698639
Unreal devs are too busy making asset flip sloppa to take part in game jams. Unreal is a fucking disaster to game dev.

>>536700667
You gotta move that right knee IK target as well but I think you're making a mistake by adding leg movements to an animation like that. Personally I'd split the torso and leg movements with a layer. Full body animations will look nicer in the void but it's much harder to make them play nice in gameplay.

>>536704569
There's so much bullshit as game engines get bigger that it's crazy. For example unreal has:
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/low-latency-frame-syncing-in-unreal-engine
Frame works are cool if you're 2D and have modest programming chops, but if you have any aspirations for a 3D game its honestly a lost cause.

>>536705649
idk I thought Vindictus felt pretty good

>>536703315
I think that looks nice

i feel like those obsessed anti-AI are nodev tourists (like eceleb worshippers or gachashart tourists who click on agdg from catalog)
whereas yesdevs are either neutral or pro AI

>>536705936
they're trannies, for some reason trannies hate AI which is ironic since they're fake people

Gamefeel is going be 90% animations and 5% having a proper player controller that doesn't have sluggish acceleration and finally 5% input latency (competitive shooters & fighting games excluded, those need honest to god good input latency handling, especially networking junk)

>>536705936
Most people are also neutral or pro-Israel so I guess that's also a good thing

>>536706116
not in 2025 even with mkultra'd boomers skewing the data

>>536704914
Yes. Prove me wrong.

>>536706116
everyone should be anti-kike

>>536706108
Ill take your word on most of those points but no i disagree on the last one. It should be absurdly optimized in any genre, even in turn based games the ones that are the most fun to play are the ones with the most responsive and snappiest menus.

dnd has absolutely ruined videogame rpgs with their shitty attribute systems
non dnd systems are not allowed to exist because theyre too alien to normaltroons

>>536704465
Nevemind, I finally figured out the problem.

>>536700773
it's temu tron lady

>>536706728
RPGs don't even use DnD's attribute system albebit.

>>536705998
isnt it weird that they pretend to love scifi and cyberpunk but as soon as we have AI they kvetch

>>536703315
the normals of the area and player don't allign
also nice ai slop

>>536707303
Player is just a little doodle I made but you give me an idea to just use grease pencil next time.
I appreciate you think that its AI though. Only was about 7 layers in CSP total.

>>536705649
>throw it all together in an engine
What? Like just the character controller? I dont get it.

>>536707970
yeah if you're looking to test the input lag for a character controller if that's your main concern
but the gamefeel isn't just defined by that alone

>go to youtube
>search : how to program movement
>unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, "how to start making games with no experience", unity tutorial
>"oh i dont want to use unity"
>search : how to program player movement with a framework
>unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial
>search : how to use a framework to program a character controller
>unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial
>search : how to code a character controller in SDL
>SDL tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial
>search : how to use a framework to program a character controller (NO UNITY, NOT UNITY, DONT SHOW UNITY, FILTER ALL VIDEOS RELATING TO UNITY, IM AT THE POINT WHERE IM REFUSING TO EVEN CONSIDER UNITY OUT OF SPITE)
>unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial, unity tutorial
What am i supposed to fucking do?

why the fuck does this crazy fucking poster always come back to waste people's time

>>536709575
>He honest to God expected tutorials for enginedevving
What in the world did you except anon?

>>536709575
What if you watched the Unity tutorials and then worked backwards to implement it elsewhere?

>>536709575
watch this, DOOM is the only tutorial you need for engine devving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqL3jvlU61c

>>536709575
>this guy wants to engine dev
look up handmadehero.

>>536709693
Thats beside the point. Why does the algorythm so desperately want me to use unity? I think this is very likely to be related to the anti movement conpiracy that ive theorized before. Picrel explains it and if unity devs are part of the cabal it would make the search results make sense.

>>536689583
Link?
>>536709693
There are plenty of SDL/allegro 2D tutorials, those count
>>536709575
But they’re ot on youtube, they are made with things called words and pictures (these preceded sound and video)

>>536706108
Game feel is scripted movement not physics engine movement

>>536705153
Public companies have a lower corporate tax rate

>>536710092
...why would da joos in your retarded scenario let them open source idtech 1, 2, 3, and 4??? your care taker needs to keep better watch over you.

you should not be using chat-gpt for all code-related problems.
youtube is a venus flytrap for retards.
stop posting until you have a shareable demo.

>>536711130
I will never have a shareable demo

>>536709834
At this point, pure spite.
>>536709872
>>536709928
Im not really 100% committed to engine devving, if someone can prove its possible for unity to have good gamefeel then i might use that forever, but i just have a gut feeling my chances would be better with frameworks. Also im the kind of guy who gets sick to my stomach at the idea of using a pre made character controller or pre made assets. If its not crafted by me then im just making slop and i need to be above that for my own psyche.
>>536710905
I think the jews definitely threatened them and their families for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAUH2jUypXY

this nigga is literally stealing /agdg/ opinions to make youtube videos

>>536695875
Think of it as "do you recommend or not recommend this game?" Having a neutral option would be like responding "i dont know" in which case you shouldnt be writing a review at all

>>536711179
I look like this and do that

>>536711607
dark branno

If you think about it, it was a good thing Youtube got rid of its star rating system because choosing between 5 things is too much for a person and it's simpler to have a like or dislike. People most likely picked 1 or 5 stars anyways so it would be a worthless system because none of the numbers in-between matter and an average score is worthless since you could gauge the same information from likes and dislikes. Steam has the right idea.

>>536711889
That's exactly why the got rid of it and they wrote about it back in the day. The star system doesn't really tell you much and its easier to manipulate.

>>536711889
Steam's review system would be fine if awards didn't exist. Well just the clown award actually. Shitposters get paid to ragebait and that's really bad.
Clowns completely ruined the discussion and guide sections too. They are genuinely one of the worst things valve ever added to steam. Guides used to be useful and you'd find people actually talking about games in the discussion pages.

>>536712504
i like the clown because it tells me i'm not alone in thinking the review is embarrassingly bad
sometimes you can't tell with these fools

>>536711889
Nobody wants the full star system for Steam, they at most want a middle-thumb option so they can review but they're too mixed to say one way or the other. The same way you can leave a comment for a Youtube video but not hit either button.

Which Steam does have, it's in the system, but only for Curators. Curators get the Informational third option when reviewing. But only them. For some reason.

>>536710092
>pulling out antisemitism just to shill for deadlock
valve propaganda posters work way too hard for their 2 cents per post..... why not just phone it in like the fake amazon reviews?

>>536712504
Clowns are your potential clients. Do it for them.

>>536706958
imagine what your family would think if they found your cache of over 9000 pictures of that little girl

>>536706958
becky...

Wishlists are not power

>>536711607
>randomly skip to 26 mins in
>"unity is geared towards 2d"
ok so this guy doesn't know anything

>>536710394
you'd have to go public and then not sell your stock which I'm not sure is possible

when you go public you open up the company for outside manipulation and the stock market leeches only care about getting profits from the stock price instead of long term gains from dividends

this is exactly what happened to unity though riccitiello definitely helped orchestrate it
>make a bunch of retarded acquisitions to bloat up company value
>stock price goes up
>repeat until stock price peaks
>dump the stock and leave the company in shambles

>>536713902
it is though

>>536713802
every single person who wishlists my game will buy it. I just feel it. I trust my wishlisters, they would not betray me.

>>536713521
we love becky here

>>536714021
That hasn't been true since like 2017.

Unity is geared towards AI.

>>536714047
kill yourself

>>536711607
>if you absolutely want to get into game dev stay independent and do it yourself
Did you even watch the video?

>>536712837
I literally just liked the movement. I stopped playing when i realized i had to farm minons every game, but it felt good to jump around and such at least. You sound more schizo than me and i truely believe that if israel gets nuked then games will start to feel better

>>536714039
>wishlists every game so that can be alerted when it's on sale
>will buy if it's sub-$1 with a full set of steam item drops available
>resells items for more than paid for game
>did not even attempt to play

>>536714286
>but it felt good to jump around and such at least.
Valve is one of those companies who makes sure their games feel good to play. Blizzard used to be one..

I would love to know the secrets of making games feel that good.

...

>>536714286
>You sound more schizo than me and i truely believe that if israel gets nuked then games will start to feel better
this is a level of self-awareness only getting paid 2 cents per post can produce

>>536713802
everyone knows this, but it's a marketing gimmick
that let's other people see oh hey they like that game I like that game now.
still got more reviews than cropolution though, hell even aggy flops like one armed bandit have more reviews lmao.
HOLY FUCK I WANT TO EAT PIZZA RIGHT NOW, anyways back on topic, basically dark branno was right it's just a statistical fact most people will fucking flop and the only thing that actually drives sales is desire to buy which is not modelable via single dimension linear regression aka muh wishlists.
the conversion rate of wishlists is anywhere between 10,000:1, 1,000:1, to 500:1.
wishlists shouldn't even be thought of as possible sales but just the number of people who know about your game. Wishlists are absolutely not a promise of purchase.

>>536714452
every bit of information ever produced on "game feel" just boils down to heavy easing on animations and a good grasp on sound design

>>536714695
Surprisingly good post.

>>536714021
my quote was cut short. he said "despite all the fancy renders they put out, unity is primarily geared towards 2d, that's why majority of the popular games made with unity are metroidvanias"
of the top 30 unity games:
3D Games: 22
2D Games: 8
2D Metroidvanias: 2 (Hollow Knight and Ori and the Will of the Wisps)

normaltroons love garbage like elden shart
if you're not attuned to making slop for gamerpigs youre NGMI

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2274620/Discounty/

DEIGODS we feasting

I've decided to NOT submit my game for demon day 64, but I will be providing something for demon day 64 that you guys will enjoy.
I am currently just not skilled enough to keep working on my game, so I decided to keep working on my skills.

>>536714750
It's easy to say that but not so easy to implement in a way that actually feels that good.

>>536715197
dude fuck off I'm listening to Tiger's Jaw
I don't have time to be a chud over some ai slop (capsule art) shartdewlike.

>>536715269
well thats because programmers with no animation or sound design expertise make dumb decisions and dont know where they went wrong

>>536715251
he's just like me

>>536715251
I don't submit to Demo Day so I don't have to pretend to play anyone else's shit-ass demo.

demonday

>>536716393
translation: I have no game

What would you say is the ideal run length for a roguelite? I know 30 mins (e.g., Vampire Survivors) is definitely too long, so IMO the sweet spot lies somewhere between 10-25 minutes.

>>536716728
depends what I'm doing. 20 minutes is about when I feel like taking a break anyhow, so if I'm back at the hub screen by then I'm happy

>>536716728
I think 15-20 is the sweet spot for a roguelight, that was the typical Binding of Isaac run back in the flash/early Rebirth days. You know, when it was a fun gimmick powerlevelling simulator and not the sad unfun mess it is now.

10 minutes, if you can make ten minute runs feel fresh and exciting then you'd probably have your ADHD playerbase by the balls, that's pure dopamine right there.

the day of the demon

>>536716728
>30 mins is too long
>he has never played Dead Cells or Binding of Isaac

>>536717502
We like honesty here.

>>536717502
ain't coding those basis tranforms and quaternions myself

i dont have a game
i have nothing anymore

>>536716728
The biggest issue with roguelites that I personally have is the beginning instead of run time. Does the player want to spend 5 minutes with very bad and boring items or restart and start over

>>536716393
i come from /biz/. Ill use demodays for youtube video content and make all of submitted games as furnace that fuel my devving budget. You lot and your games got publication from my videos (potential buyers), while i got revenue to buy assets for my games.

A win win

i like games where you can shoot the guns off enemy space ships

>>536718101
It's not an issue, mate. It's by design. You want the player to never know if this is the run. You want to build anticipation then when the random reward hits, it'll feel so good.

i will post to demo day as soon as I make the stupid animations for my character .. I just keep doing everything else but that

>>536718502
It starts to be an issue when there is bloat and some of the items are just pure trash or boring to play with

https://gx.games/games/r5r8eb/pixurbia/

https://progchad.itch.io/pixurbia

My free 2D crime sandbox browser game got 150 plays roughly within the first 12 hours so far. Pretty mind blowing to me, I mainly develop for fun and to vent my creative energy and this is probably more players than my first game Hellbirther ever got. I hope the people playing are having fun! I fixed the performance issues by very slightly mangling the radar and I'm about to test for a while to see if the enemy AI needs tweaking and shit. Also gonna make a trailer for the game to help get word out.

>>536718865
That's also by design. You want contrast or else they'll just complain all the items feel the same.

there's friendslop everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzl2ljQ8OaQ

>>536718101
Anon, there are other roguelites besides Binding of Isaac. Slay the Spire does not have this problem.

>>536717360
BoI runs are absolutely too long. There's a reason Edmund introduced the speedrun incentive.

>feel burnout and mental fatigue
>take a break and reduce my workload for a couple days
>feel severe guilt and shame for not being productive enough
i need to get a job so gamedev isn't the only productive outlet i have
this is very unhealthy

>>536719491
there's something deeply, deeply concerning about all of these games that only exist so zoomlennials can larp as le funny streamers

>>536719654
If gamedev isn't the thing you use to procrastinate on other things you're really not setting yourself up for success.

I would suggest a second hobby to flip between at least. Learn a language or piano or something idk.

>>536719663
>there's something deeply, deeply concerning about all of these games that only exist so zoomlennials can larp as le funny streamers

>>536719654
You have to go with the flow. Feeling urge to work? Put hours into project. Feeling burnt out? Play something you want so you get creative juices flowing again, even if it takes a week or some shit of relaxing in your free time instead of working on the game. When you go with the flow and work at the pace your body tells you to, you'll get better more focused work done during the hours that you actually work, and you'll avoid feeling shitty. There's no rush, comrade.

>>536716728
Seems like there's a trend towards shorter runs. Depends on how much you want to lean into meta progression but I think it's good to provide shorter runs when the player is new. Some VS clones have explored it with the players starting on 10 minute runs and then unlocking new levels, locations or difficulties that have longer runs. The player would feel better completing a shorter easier run as a new player rather than being forced to fail because he hasn't unlocked enough meta progression yet.

I always hated how long RoR and RoR2 runs went on. The games are a lot of fun but it feels like I wasted the entire day when I play them.

>>536719663
i think the real reason friendslop is so popular is because people (normies with school/jobs) are extremely lonely and crave socialization
NEETs can satisfy their social desires with image boards and discord servers
but if your day is spent slaving away with your studies or at a job, just for you to come home to an empty house, you'll find it easy to justify spending $5 on a game you can play with your friends for a few hours
this is my personal take on why co-op games have become so popular, i could be wrong

>>536719491
>another wizard game
Stop cashing in on my idea.

>>536719654
Same. I need to take breaks because my cognition plummets and I start breaking my project, but whenever I do I can't relax and just feel afraid that I'm falling behind.

Mmmmmmm I'm just not putting my game on sale
I'm just never doing it is all
you will pay full price or fuck off
I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sex with men

>>536719491
>REPO but magic
agdg is creatively bankrupt
it's this easy to make a million dollars

>>536719663
Can't blame devs for catering to the audience that exists. It's hard enough to make a living doing gamedev.

>>536720094
>i think the real reason friendslop is so popular is because people (normies with school/jobs) are extremely lonely and crave socialization
That's a good point. I think it is at least part of the reason they're so popular nowadays. I've gotten used to getting my socialization through text but I do miss the times we'd play random games with my friends. It's so hard to get anyone to play anything new nowadays.

>>536720217
that's exactly what i feel, and then the anxiety becomes unbearable as it feels like another day was wasted and i inch closer towards dying unaccomplished
but then when i force myself to work on my game, my brain is so fatigued that the work quality is absolute dogshit and it only makes the game worse, and increases the amount of problems i'll need to fix in the future
oh well, time to hit the cagie for a few months to reset my mind

>>536720023
RoR and RoR2 runs are done when you hit the exit. Don't mix up the infinite mode with the regular mode.

>>536720292
your cocklust-posting goes into the trannyboard, not in /agdg/

>>536720094
i just like watching streamers play co-op games and pretend like i have as great of friends
other people probably do too

>>536719559
That is why I prefer StS and not Isaac

>>536720509
that sounds like a form of loneliness as well

open world roguelike

>>536720292
um sis... that's gay

>>536720409
They still go on quite long when you're the type to explore the map.

friendslop mana-like gw1-like

study mobile games

slutty mobile games

pudding mobile frames

>the very first video game was originally a co-op game
It was meant to be.

>>536720023
Video games are waste of time

>>536721521
midwit take

>>536720292
>>536720790
kys

>>536721521
not if you complete your responsibilities for the day and are looking for entertainment in your free time

The amount of complaining about "friendslop" just goes to show how many people don't have friends this day and age. I didn't hear this much bitching when every other had game had at least 2-player co-op and a game was worthy of critique if it didn't have multiplayer.

Ugh, I suck at UI design.
Time to take a trip to Game UI Database.

>>536702827
aaaand progress :D

>>536721853
You're missing the point. A game that's good with friends is not a game that's good. A good game is a game that's able to stand on its own.

>>536721853
i think the real complaints about friendslop are along the lines of
>this game is actually bad and nobody would play it if it was singleplayer
>but because you can play it with your friends it blew up and made millions of dollars
>all the while "real" games that are actually good sit in the dumps as 100 review flops

>>536721549
Midwit post

>>536722313
>crab

>>536721859
The only major issue with UI design is trying to account for window resizing.
That's like anti-soul; all the best, most fun, interesting UIs were designed for static resolutions for a good reason because you could use raster graphics and animations for everything.

I've considered pulling the pretentious indie card and having one set aspect ratio and just filling in the sides with banner art like you sometimes see in ported retro game frontends. Nuclear Throne did that IIRC.

>>536722475
The gamedev complaint for friendslop is that it's really hard to test different connection and PC permutations when you're soloing. At the very least you'd need at least 2 PCs running VMs and a lagswitch.

>>536722912
chad devs ignore this complaint, release a broken mess, let players playtest, brag about fixing the game, and get crowned as kings for "caring about their games" and "working hard to deliver fast fixes"
social engineering 101

>>536721853
Abiotic Factor is a good co-op game
Peak is friendslop
One is fun to -play- the other is fun when your friends are hamming it up on the mic (which makes anything fun)

>>536723598
so it seems that
a good co-op game = a good game that includes co-op
while a bad co-op game = a bad game that is carried by co-op
hmm...
thoughts?

>>536721521
I mean they kinda are but it's the worst when a game makes you feel like you wasted your time. DayZ is an example of that. It's cool when things happen but most of your game time is spent walking around and fucking nothing happens. It's easily like 10% engagement and 90% filler. Frequency of gameplay or whatever's the term.

>>536723784
>hmm...
>thoughts?
Who cares, if I'm including co-op at all it's for money, friendslop or not.

Which one is better?
Classic dialogue choice design (Top)
Modern dialogue choice design (Bottom)

>>536723598
Peak is a good solo game thougheverbeit. I have tons of fun.

>>536723987
Modern I guess, no big difference.

>>536723987
kill yourself

>>536723924
The point in DayZ is the stress of knowing you could be downed at any moment. It's supposed to replicate the modern warfare experience. It's all slow going patrolling and night watch for months until a shady dude walks up and then your whole post gets lit up.

>>536723974
based

>>536723987
i think modern is better

>>536724329
I know and it was fun for a bit but then I realized what the average session was like and it ruined the immersion. After that I was instantly against the idea of playing it whenever someone suggested it. It just felt so worthless to spend all that time ultimately to end up getting shot from a mile away by a guy you couldn't see.

>>536724329
My biggest fear in DayZ was that I was going to open a door and thanks to Arma2's dogshit engine that simple act would break both my legs

>>536724823
Stairs, ladders and any sort of ledge were the real enemy.

>>536723987
Top looks better. Bottom might blend too much into environment occasionally. Just add something that separates the dialogue from the options to make it even more clearer

Added some more tiles and tweening of the shadows.

>>536721565
no u

Progress: farmed 3 pieces of the fatalis set
Bug report: Mostly trash mixed skill decos and farming them is so unrewarding and slow.

>>536723987
top, I didn't even notice the dialog choices in the bottom one at first. maybe if the arrow is blinking or something it works

>>536725225
nodev moment

>>536724195
>>536724198
>>536724387
>>536724974
>>536725431
Okay, I'm going to take the dialogue choice UI feedback into consideration. Looks like the opinions are evenly divided. The arrow is animated and moves horizontally but I don't feel like making a .webm now. I'm going to bed.

While I'm at it I'm going to share another progress post. I tweaked a couple of the outfits that I wasn't satisfied with, mainly the sweater.
Now it properly exposes the shoulders (which was a nightmare to rig) and I redid most of it so it fits the player's body way better.

>>536721853
>Abiotic Factor
Is this good game design?

>>536726505
Yes.

>>536725849
>Now it properly exposes the shoulders (which was a nightmare to rig)
Oh that was you. I saw you posting about how hard it was to rig. If I'd known it was you I would have discouraged you more forcefully

>>536723987
Classic one looks better. It gives flow from top to bottom, to the readers' eyes

>3d mapping

Godot is garbage so in-engine won't do. Any good tips?

>>536725849
How many subdivides is this cocksock rocking that that was a difficult rig? I thought you were messing with something baggy and asymmetrical.

>>536652409
I always found the Red Orchestra/Rising storm series to be interesting because aiming was a bit different. Now, it still allows you to pop heads but it's less of a consideration in the gameplay design. The guns sway a lot when you're moving about meaning that it's not always aiming at the center of the screen and you don't have a crosshair unless you're aiming down sights forget if this was a server/game mode setting and taking aiming down sights takes a moment. It had this really nice mix of realism in it that most FPS don't and it did without going straight into ARMA sim autism that feels jank most of the time.

I can't get myself to work on my game more than a couple of hours a day. And it's not like I'm doing anything else. I'm forever unemployed and I've earned income I can live on from games, so in theory I should be highly motivated to work a lot more.
And yet...
Does anyone have any productivity/motivation brain hacks?

>>536727174
I just let autism do its thing.

>>536727174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEBuvQlF6E

>>536727397
I wish I had that kind of 'tism. Instead I have the usual kind where I just can't talk to women.

>>536727174
View it as fun instead of getting overwhelmed or worrying about eventual goals.
Gamedevving where you're viewing it as work is like playing a game where you don't like playing it and you just want to get to the end. Except the game is several thousand hours long. You're probably not going to finish it.

>>536727512
All autists have that, it's a social developmental disorder.
It's the other stuff that varies depending on the person.

How do you design a healing/support class for a game where players can dodge almost everything?

>>536727929
Nobody can dodge everything forever unless they memorized every single attack pattern which isn't most people.

You know what? After some thinking I'm leaning more towards the classic design.
I will see what to do about it tomorrow after class. Time to get some shut-eye for real.

>>536726902
There's a 3rd party terrain tool, grid based with Qudot and making a map in blender

>>536727929
You don't, just make players prepare individually instead of offloading it to the designated party bitch.

Otherwise just go the DFO route where the "healer" class just hands out buffs/debuffs and stuff. Occasionally heals on landing a combo. Basically a bard I guess.

>>536728651
If you post on demo days, ill play it. Good luck, man

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2928770/Carnival/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1170570/The_Drifter/

Why did one fail and the other succeed?

>>536729484
Second is more compelling in every way than the first's typical AGS dry junky everything.

>>536729642
how do i luckmaxx

>>536729881
Expose yourself to luck and have preexisting plans to capitalize on it.
Make games and post on all social media, that's about all you can do.

>>536728651
>>536729067
kill yourself

>>536729484
powerhoof has clout, he's an OG successful indie
the other guy is using AI and has no clout

>>536729881
be born into a wealthy family that loves you and sets you up for success, that is what "luck" is

>>536730809
bro should have chosen better parents

trying to figure out something

>>536730809
DAS RITE
nepotism and connections and networking doesnt exist
all you need is a heccin wholesome big chungus family!!! btw my favorite game is shartdew tranney if that matters

>>536731014
>nepotism and connections and networking doesnt exist
>all you need is a heccin wholesome big chungus family
part of being born into the right family is that family's connections

>>536731014
Wealthy family is nepotism and connections and networking you dipstick.

>>536730997
don't rotate anything

>>536730809
You need more than just a good family that loves you, otherwise sons of millionaires wouldn't suicide or become drug addicts.

>>536732097
>woman demands all that
>doesn't give any of it back

>>536732097
>rich families are good families that love you
peak retardation.

>>536732708
she also demands that the guy is a foot taller than her, out earns her by 50% and has a top 10% face.
you know, the bare minimum, the bar is in hell, etc

>>536729484
I really, really, really hate this style of pixel art
It's fucking UGLY

>>536732097
>Prioritized
Why should I prioritize womens stupid issues that lead to only more problems

>>536732907
I really, really ,really like this style of pixel art
It's fucking BEAUTIFUL

>>536699736
whats the gameplay? are you the loli?

>>536730394
You won't make it to the demo days, will you? You small small chinese boy

>>536700540
>>536702314
a million times worse. Basically imagine your players wont play unless you do years of prep time in advance. that's game dev.

>>536707246
mine does, however I changed the way all of them work and added a 7th

But is it easier to make money as a dm than as a devver? Cant believe this is a payed gig

>>536730997
are you velocity-fixing on the stairs or what?

>>536732907
It's pretty bad, AGS devs are weirdly lazy considering how little work they otherwise do.
You just put the sprites, dialogue and basic inventory puzzle logic in the bag, lil bro, that's all of 3 elements and whatever freesound.org samples you bothered to pick up. Why are your games all 40 minutes long and shallow and ugly as fuck.

>>536733620
why don't you tell that to my face at the gym, huh?

>>536733691
AGS, not agdg, anon, it's a different thing.

>>536733540
you absolutely can get money for being a paid dm. however if you do that you have to put up with the players whims. they would have to pay me like 500 a night total for me to quit my job though so no deal.

>>536733540
You could definitely make decent money running Critical Role simulator sessions.
But then you'd have to deal with the sort of people who really wish they were in Critical Role for several hours a week.

Reminder that you should also consider the mentalities of your target audience. Due to my backround, the anons that will play my games are probably hanging around /biz/, /bant/, and /int/'s /asean/ thread, so i should see what kind of trend they have that i can implement in my games.

In fact, i'll go to /int/'s /asean/ right now and see the things that they are discussing, and report back here to give an example of target audience survey

>>536727174
Create a list of tasks you need to accomplish. This helps me stay productive. Muster up the discipline to complete at least one task, and the momentum of that productivity will allow you to continue accomplishing more.
The hardest part for me is formulating that list. There's a lot of miniscule stuff I can do for my game, but identifying the important tasks to complete, verifying the value of completing them, and creating a plan to complete them is the hard part.
But again, use a list. Create a checklist of things to do. This is my foundation for productivity.

>>536733902
Nevermind, they're just debating useless shit like nationality of indonesian chinese vs indonesian mainlanders... Honestly im a bit dissapointed. I legit expect funny memes from my own countrymen. I got /pol/ mentality instead

I am alone... I guess /asean/ anons are not my target audiences

its impossible to make a game solo

>lookup a yt tutorial
>white male with painted nails
yep, im gonna ask chatgpt

>>536734454
your loss, kid

>>536705936
>i feel like those obsessed anti-AI are nodev tourists
Every time I ask an AI-obsessed faggot to show what they've actually made with AI, they never post anything, or they post some unusable static image gen which implies either they're making a VN or they don't understand that what they just posted isn't useful.

The most prominent AI enthusiast itt is cris, which should give any AI user a moment of self reflection if they weren't all soulless unthinking golems

>>536734421
I would love to share my shitty ass scripts for artists here to use. But im afraid to do so

>>536734605
cris is a top 3 soulful posters in here tough

>>536734391
Nigger

[Excellent news]

I just saved over 3GB of RAM by packing 20 textures into one.

>>536734421
I guarantee you no successful solo dev is truly a solo dev
A game made in total isolation is going to suck

>>536734391
I don't think targeting a game at a specific nationality is a good idea unless you're Chinese.
but if you insist I think I've seen a few horror games set in an abandoned Indonesian hospital or something like that. Bascially just country-swapping the generic Japanese horror slops.

>>536734605
What I use AI for is to:
- make code that I could write myself, but AI saves me like 10 minutes
- dumb things down for me in a way no teacher or pretentious StackOverflow faggot ever would

>>536734549
blud thinks he in the akatsuki

>>536734786
>anon discovered what a texture atlas is

everybody hates me and my games

>>536735139
I like you anon

>>536735139
eric barone.....

>>536735018
Yes :)

>>536734786
>3GB of RAM
>3GB
anon wtf

They quit their jobs. Guess how much they made....(Warning, it's brutal)

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndieGaming/s/1Lun5A3gly

>>536735961
Stays evergreen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_L6ysOSEb0

>>536734869
Ah, you mean Dread Out? Yea its literally just Indonesian re-skin of Fatal Frame. But im still proud of that achievement, considering we Indos were 60's level of backwards before 2006

>I don't think targeting a game at a specific nationality is a good idea unless you're Chinese.
I guess you're right man. I just hope i have similarities with indonesian anons here on this site. But seems not. I am out of touch with my other fellow indonesians, both outside and inside 4chan. I am alone. Thus my game will be for outdonesians.

>>536736048
what the fuck agdg
i hate successful devs making fun of failure devs

>>536736131
uh oh someone feels personally attacked

>>536736085
Dread Out had a legitimately great moment I'm definitely going to steal because nobody has heard of that game.
>Yea its literally just Indonesian re-skin of Fatal Frame.
If only, kinda becomes a shitshow after they leave the school.
Still, takes a mastermind designer to lock 40% of the playable game and 80% of the best stuff depending on if the player walks 3 feet in the right direction as the literal first thing they do.

But yeah, should be proud. Dread Out is more than what a bunch of countries have brought to the world. Funcom Dublin existed for 12 seconds and just cloned Mario Kart poorly, that's Ireland's lot.

>>536735961
Why — the fuck — is — he — using ————— AI to write his post ——— I bet his source code is AI and that is why he also struggled so much

>>536736412
>Still, takes a mastermind designer
>But yeah, should be proud.
Absolutely. In fact, that dude who create the game becomes one of my inspiration as a dev myself. I even went to the same college as him.

>>536736048
it will happen over and over again. I forget how much the average person struggles with delaying satisfaction.

branno bluds, the comeback starts NOW

>>536736690
Eyy, well good luck, anon. Extra points if you take a page from their book and license a local indie rock band's tracks for the midpoint and credits drop.

>>536734097
I will do just that.

>>536736973
Ill try my best, anon. Good luck to you and your games also

>>536737174
For making it looks complicated even though its not, in order to make yourself feels like you're some kind of dev hot shot, use Scrum or any GDLC formatting in your list of task.
That way you feel like you're a real dev (even though you're not yet) and feel motivated

>have online game
>intentionally add a bug that's beneficial to the player's experience
an example of this, and what gave me this idea is in dota 2, if you have the monthly subscription viocelines unlocked, but then lose the subscription, you can still use the voicelines even though they appear to be locked
>see how long it takes for someone to report the bug
>fix the bug, but also ban that person for being a bitch ass tattletale teacher's pet

>>536737380
>Scrum
>Agile

Imagine not using Kanban or Waterfall
NGMI

>>536734097
Fellow list enjoyer.
I got like a 50 cent palm-sized notepad I like to plan out what I'm going to try to get done the next day. Little ritual of just seeing what I got done and what I can reasonably get done tomorrow.
I like to combine it with Neil Cicierega's work tracker - one of the modern forks - that lets you see how much time you're actually spending working. It's always so much less than you think.

what can you do better than AI?

>>536737936
love you baby

>>536727174
I've been trying to crack this for a while. however I think the real problem is solo. I dont mean solo dev. though I do wish I had a team of people who believed in me and our shining bonds, I actually just mean living spiritually alone with no one who cares about what you are up to or can keep you honest. It turns out Atoms on their own aren't very useful. Overall I think if you do have close friends, you should try body doubling. On the other hand if you basically live in an anti social situation where that kind of social tie is an imposition and not welcome to your neighbours... well i mean pour over youtube videos and take peoples advice with some salt, but I also haven't been able to do anything special either.

>>536737894
I find lists do help but they don't result in consistant dev for me. instead they help me prune bullshit that keeps cropping up in my life. If it involves moving my body I can put it on a list and do it, if it's a screen, my attention span is immediately nuked.

>>536737831
>>536737380
I dont know what any of this is. how does this help produce results better than just writing a list and crossing stuff off?
obviously if we're talking a game design theres the excel sheet megaman x corruption dev uses but.

>>536737831
I actually made a mixed methodology between waterfall and scrum lol. I use it as my thesis back in college years. Basically the idea is 4 big steps done waterfall-ly
>Pre production stage, resulting a prototype
>Production stage, resulting an alpha build
>Testing stage, grinding alpha to beta builds, resulting a MVP
>Finishing project, to add more cherries in the cake

But those 4 steps are filled with sub-steps, that are done in an agile-Scrum manner. I made this so that the project is linear enough to not be like most Scrum project, a.k.a amateur trainwrecks suitable only for the shelf. But agile enough so that needed design changes are possible, for a team working full remotely

>>536734605
as an AI enthusiast I have a vision of using it as tweens for animation, however ultimately i am not a storyboard artist so i am reliant on luck to find a storyboard artist who will be okay with AI and do the work for my money (nobody)
>>536734391
gentle reminder for bocchi tourists

>>536738298
can you post this with a real world example using an existing game? doesnt have to be yours.

>>536738217
Its basically lists with steps and dates.
Unlike just some random list, you list stuff you wanna do first, and then list stuff you want to do later, after specific list has been done. It was made like that so you can independently work solo, even inside a team, and can trace your "list progress" if you want to erase/add feature to your game mid development

>>536738469
oh, I see, I dont have builds yet just a bunch of files and tools at different versions and stages of completion. I guess if I treated them like they had commits and used a list it would also be a way to share that progress tracking.

invisible walls save me so much time. there's no alternative anyway

Good morning team. What pointless arguments and overused buzzwords do we want to use today?

>>536738339
>as an AI enthusiast I have a vision of
You're just a nodev ideaguy faggot who has never made anything

>>536738449
Yea thats the thing. This methodology of mine was tested for many app developments, other than proper games. Well, to be fair i did made some driving simulators used for private entities to train their workers, with this methodology, but never in a proper video games, that was made for fun...

Until now that is. When my game is done, i will have a proof that it works for video games. I probably doxx myself here so that you guys can use my methodology, criticize it to ass, and improve/made a new methodology from it.

But until then, sorry

>>536738687
ngmi
pedo
tranime
jeet
beg
sexo.
>$[insert price here]

>>536738806
i didn't ask for something that exists you could physically show me I am asking for you to create a scenario using stages of a project for an existing game.
>proven or unproven
I dont really care about if it works I can figure out if it helps me or not by just trying it, but I dont know how to delinate waterfall steps on a large scoped project and what the differences are expected to be. do you have to completely abandon prototypes? when is it decided it's evolved to a new stage of the fall?

>>536738603
Exactly. That way you can see your progress with your own eyes, and feel motivated from it.
This is the short intro to use proper academic mindset of Scrum: https://youtu.be/9TycLR0TqFA ...

But no matter what the univ people say, its not that deep. Just use it however you see fit. You dont need to follow it 100% like an Italian pasta recipe. Good luck, anon

>>536738964
Okay. Let me type a bit to give you an example. Wait

>>536735961
>Yes thank you we are listening
>Yes thank you we are listening
>Yes thank you we are listening

I'm going to CHOKE these two developers. STOP SPEAKING LIKE YOU ARE FROM A AAA COMPANY

>>536739110
>italian pasta
the objective way to boil pasta is always to use the minimum ammount of water to reconstitute the pasta and use a wide enough pan for the noodles to lay flat (or just break them if you don't need them to be long)

>>536739385
i dont doubt they quit their jobs to do this because they are from HR

I need an idea... ____ Knight

>>536738687
>Johnson, today I want you to focus on calling anyone who posts an image of an anime girl an avatarfag.
>Remember, if they try to tell you this is an anime website, make sure to start calling it "tranime".
>Walter, you're going to be on demoralization duty. See if you can get last week's report from Stanley. He's got updated numbers on how many games release on Steam each day.
>That reminds me. Stanley, did you ever hear back from our R&D team in India about any new games that flopped? You did? Great, put it in the next report.
>Michael, Bob called in sick so you're going to be doing /v/ surveying again. Just scroll through the board and see if you can find any new flavor of the month ragebait that we can work with over in our department.
>That's it, gentlemen. Good luck. We've got a long week ahead of us, but I believe in you all. Renee brought some donuts, they're over in the break room.

>>536739904
SORRY im using that word so i cant give it to you

>>536739904
Knigga Knight

>>536739963
aww this anons shitpost cake is way nicer than mine

>>536723987
Classic

>>536725849
And this is looking real nice. I played the demo but of course it was still barebones.

Just make a list.
I either just do or
Make list divided into: current task, now, later, later later. From time to time I move things up and add tasks or make them more detailed.
All of those add dates and make tasks +=10 good boi points are corpo meme. They are for working in a team and for your boss to spy on you, don't waste time not deving.

goblin knight

>>536735961
I suspect this is a grift.
I'll call it "pity marketing" and assume the developers are Indian.

>>536698226
There are timer nodes which you can probably add as children, scene tree timers are specifically not bound and the documentation tells you this.

>>536738964
Example of my Short GDLC in an existing project PART 1

Example Project: Euro Truck Simulator-Like Game

The big waterfall step:
>Pre Production
Make a half-assed prototype of your ETS-like game
>Production
Improve that prototype into an actual game people will play
>Testing
Add-remove shits so the game is fun
>Finishing touch step
Promotion, Demo Days, ect ect

All of those four, in general should be done linearly/by waterfall. What i mean by that is, for example if you think something is wrong in the Testing phase, that you need to do from scratch, then you need to abandon Testing, and go back to Production phase.

The agile part is sub steps inside of those 4 big steps, in part 2

>>536740587
Does this make the game fun?

Why is the goal of gamedevs to make bigger games but never small but deeper?

>>536735961
>4 followers
so no promotion, no shit it flopped
no, your game will not sell on its own, please stop listening to the people trying to tank your game

>>536740587
Part 2

==============================Pre-Production===========================
1. Get and play your inspirations
Obviously, the real ETS game, but also maybe play some other driving game
2. Making a general concept
Basically writing 2 paragraphs of your player exiting garage, get delivery job, driving to said job's destination, and arriving.
3. Design a detailed technical to-do list from those said concept
Expand that 2 paragraph into a list.
>player inside a garage menu
>player click "drive" button
>player driving mechanic
>player GPS/mini map mechanic
>player checkpoint for destination
>ect
4. Design an artstyle to-do list from those said
>the menu design of the garage is like "this"
>the HUD and pov of the driver is like "that"
>ect
5. Date those lists
>garage menu should be done in week 3
>driving physics should be done in week 6
>ect
6. Assemble prototype, and play test it. The goal is "barely playable"

For time, all of this should be made as quick and as waterfall-ly as possible

================================= Production ========================
1. In this step you will expand your existing lists that you made for your prototype
>example, in the old list you add "gps/mini map mechanic"
>that line, you will expand into more list such ass
>the world map mechanic when i click the mini map
>option for the minimap to rotate/static
>distance text on the minimap
>ect ect
2. Unlike in Pre-Production, where you just slap everything and say its done, here you will properly make that mechanic expansion in an agile way
>create a rotating mini map option
>quick tested it
>redone until you are satisfied
>update the list, if you got more inspiration while you're quick testing
>merge the branch of that said mechanic to main
>repeat the step for making the world map mechanic

Everything here will be done agile-ly

Continue in part 3

>>536740902
It's preventing you from stopping after you finish 1 feature and then not knowing what to do after that

>>536740934
Because I like HUGE games. HUUUGE.

>>536741232
Part 3

============================ Testing =============================
Literally the same as Production. But instead of expanding the list, and making new features and mechanics, you recheck ALL the shit you made on your list. One, by ,one. This is the most soul crunching part of the job. Basically, you speedrun your game repeatedly until you say "fuck it, this is fun enough". Drive that truck you just made, a 100 times

You do it in an agile-Scrum manner
============================ Finishing Touches =============================
I hope you record yourself doing the testing. Because in this step you will make a promotional video from your speedrun gameplay recordings. If the feedback from potential user is shit, go back to Testing (or production) and remove/add features they want to see inside your game

Thats the short gist of my methodology. Thank you for listening to my FED talk >>536738964

>>536740934
Because I want to design a cool world, not an abstract euro boardgame.

>>536741924
what if your cool world had a mini-game with depth rivaling Go?

>>536741924
so much of that cool world could be implied through npc dialogue and props and... nah it's okay, you go ahead and make your ocean-wide puddle... we'll all love walking for 20 minutes for a quest that didn't need to take place 20 minutes away, just so we can retrace our steps back to the home town you spent 80% of the dev time on, before giving up on everything else, just to drag out the play time... we'll love it anon, we'll all really love it

>>536741616
>>536741232
>>536740587
thankyou for rewiring my brain for list management.
>hehehehe he said FED

>>536742043
You're welcome m8. Good luck.
Anyway, i just consume too much time in writing all that. Imma back to devving kek

>>536734391
I somehow knew the kita poster is a pinoy troon

I just had a long chat with AI about ideas for my game. I told it not to glaze me and to instead ask thought provoking questions that would keep me from making a flop.
I can honestly say it's been more useful than any human so far, including players who have played my previous games.

>>536742164
Im an indonesian. And im not the Kita-anon

>>536741924
>go
>european

>>536742231
Middle managers in big companies have meetings in order to feel productive while actually producing nothing of value

You appear to be doing the same thing but with AI

I feel sad and empty

>>536733247
kill yourself

>>536742505
It made some decent suggestions and asked some important questions that I had to think about. And middle managers waste hours of time (both their own and other employees') on meetings while I wasted 20 minutes.

>>536740934
no room for writing in small but deep games. theyre also a lot harder to idea guy for. A hopelessly scope maxxed idea is easy to manage and understand because everything is laid out in a large area and its easy to see problems ahead of time. if your idea is small and deep and has a lot of permutations the core of the idea has to be incredibly resilient because there's no pacing or other loopy game-play tricks to keep it running the entire deep philosophy of the game logic has to be so entertaining you don't get tired of it.

Lastly I find a lot of these games are a little too fun and also soulless. Like civ. Just one more turn. I grew up with them and I feel the pull of starting a new game, trying to make my perfect little towns, etc. but in terms of providing me a meaningful and memorable experience it all kind of blurs together. I couldn't actually tell you in detail what a specific civ game I played was like despite sinking 10s of thousands of hours into the franchise. On the other hand ocarina of time. It's definitely not small and deep. It's a very hand held experience crafted with narratives and cutscenes but it made an incredibly life long impression on me. It's systems are semi shallow and designed for beginners but it was because it was designed like that that I love it. and Likewise with Kirby another fan favorite, designed by someone who grew up playing arcade games that twisted you by the balls, was my first video game. Sometimes deep is good but not always.

>>536742263
So my guess is not refuted still?

>>536742231
show prompt or give us an example

>>536735961
every time

im thinking about quitting godot and learning c++

>>536743250
Yes please. This is less daunting with more people. Monkeys stronger together.

>>536743250
Do it if your game is 2D and if you have a CS background. It is far easier than low IQs whine about. Use a library like SDL, raylib, etc. to handle windows and input. Use OpenGL for rendering. Get a tilemap or some shit running in a day or two if you're new.

>>536742925
I simply told it about my game and told it to criticize the game loop and scope and anything else it can think of.
Try it for your own game, but it's important to tell it to not praise you and that you instead need to find weak points in your idea.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT
YOU CAN'T DO THAT
YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!

>>536735961
>I have never used a tool in my life
>That's why my friend and I quit our jobs and liquidated our savings to build a deck this summer
>We had no idea what we were doing, this lead to a lot of problems
>After turning over to the owner, the deck collapsed during their family BBQ and two people have d*ed as a result
>We're not giving up, after the lawsuit settles we are moving on to bigger projects :)
>Please validate our poor decision making and lack of awareness!! Thank you saars!!
Anywhere but gamedev and people like this would be called retarded or beaten at the minimum. But for some reason this is an essential element of game developing culture.

>>536735961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kHqOMsR0Os
imagine quitting your job in the current state of things.

>>536744796
the indie dev industry is, honestly, operating at 5% efficiency compared to its maximum potential
finding success as an indie dev, in this state of the industry, is the easiest it will ever be
it's still difficult, but things only get more cut-throat from this point onwards
i loathe to imagine how steam will look in 10-15 years

>>536744717
*QUIT*
*REFUND*
Solo devs are taking sales away from AA devs which isn't fair. Only they deserve sales because they paid for their success.

>>536744717
Fuck indie devs who pull any sort of guilt tripping
>I'm just a widdle wholesome chungus pwease weave me a game weview it means so much to me :)

>>536745204
>>536745132
>>536744717
pulling a guilt trip on a cash grab is some indian shit

>>536745204
Isn't that how shartdew dev farmed so many reddit cultists? I remember when game journos tried to frame him as THE underdog solodev (lol).

I need a win

I need to make 3d low poly characters for my game, maybe 3 in total. I looked into a few tools, AI can make some but they need a lot of cleanup as they have a ton of vertices. What would be the best course of action? I'm really struggling with blender. Do you have any suggestions?

>>536745556
git gud

the impending swarm of hyperstimulating incremental dopamine slop coming to steam is going to be truly atrocious
the difference maker will no longer be game quality, but advertising budget
the creatives will be left in the dust, and the remaining audience for these sorts of unique passionate experiences will be consumed by a handful of titles with communities developed on social media platforms through the proliferation of memes
eventually you'll feel stupid for even thinking of making a game without a 5-10 year community development plan or hundreds of thousands of dollars for advertising

>>536720094
It doesn't explain why all the friendslop games are chore/work simulators. It used to be that all people would play is combat based games and now it seems the core audience is actively avoiding conflict based games.

>>536745882
sorry mister anon from 2022, but here where i live (2025) steam is already like this

>>536745959
>chore/work simulators
Any example of such?

>>536744717
you are literally not allowed to do that lol, report it to steam

>>536746227
Maid Cafe Simulator

>>536745959
people are that desperate for social connection that they'll simulate doing chores with their friends
killing enemies isn't realistic, and can't replicate the feeling of being a normal human being and doing normal things with people they know personally
i really think the loneliness epidemic has reached that critical of a point, that people will pay to do digital chores with their e-friends
it's really bad

All of you are literally part of the problem.

>>536742663
>Sometimes game elegance is good but not always
>This is the mindset of someone who creates games
This is like saying, what if instead of having better stories and art in manga, they just were bigger, but shitter.

>>536744717
Tell on him.
The Karens are right, you deserve to talk to the manager.

>>536745204
What's wrong with doing that? Does it not work?

>>536746396
What problem?

>>536745556
Just use make human, they're not lowpoly, but look bad enough to be ps3 era.

>Spend a month working on a game for a crypto game jam that has a significant prize while also having only a few entrants
>reward is based on total plays
>the current most popular game leading the jam was probably made in about an hour and is a simple reaction time test. literally just a red square and a green square that you play for a couple seconds.

Is effort overrated? the people want slop.

>>536746396
what games do soulful kids even play any more?
i feel like it's all roblox slop, youtube trash, or doomscrolling
is gaming dying with the younger generations?
when i was a kid i loved getting lost in immersive singleplayer games
now it seems all kids do is grind incremental roblox filth or lobotomize themselves with mr beast videos

I'm going to make a gridless citybuilder

what i like isnt what other "people" (dopamine zombies) appear to like, therefore i can no longer make games that appeal

>>536746549
>Does it not work?
it does work, but it's explicitly banned from steam
you can't ask players to leave reviews, it's a form of review manipulation, and will harm the quality of the platform due to every game being pumped full of mobile-tier review farming slop
real games are fucking dying
it's so grim man

>>536746549
It does work, on weak minded idiots
That's why scammers guilt trip all the time
It's an underhanded tactic that preys on the vulnerable
Any respectable person does not use guilt trip tactics to sell something.

maybe i should ditch gamedev and coding and just write a vn with cute girls in renpy and promptly kill myself when it flops. thoughts?

>>536746818
this is why i only make games for myself

I wish games got good again
At least next month there's three whole good games coming out (hasn't happened since 2018 probably)

>>536746424
>um what if we made a game easier instead of harder and more complicated

>>536745556
Those who don't wish to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live

>>536746990
>Fails once
>Kills himself
ngmi

after your 14 hour shift at the amazon warehouse
you WILL
get home
veg out on the couch while doomscrolling social media
order mcdonalds on ubereats
play some friendslop with your discord buddies
binge watch a netflix anime series
grind a mobile idler gatcha game
veg out on your bed while doomscroll social media
and then go to sleep for 6 hours
to repeat the same process the next day
and the next day
and the next

>>536746227
Schedule 1, lethal company, what other FOTM slop came out?

>>536745556
asset stores are full of cheap, optimized and rigged models for any poly budget.
you'll need literally hundreds of hours to get good enough to make something comparable. convert that to the minimum wage wherever you live and you'll see how much you'll save by using an existing asset

Is it worth trying to make a game if you know it'll be shit? Since I was a kid I've always wanted to make fictional worlds by myself but in spite of endless practising I'm not great at anything. I know I will probably make generic, boring RPGmaker slop with a bad story, artwork and music. I'm not doing it for profit but anyone would be embarrassed putting out steaming dogshit no matter how much care and sovl was put into it or how much I enjoyed the process. I could just keep it to myself but I think if I put a lot of effort in I would want to share it.

>>536746754
it used to be that games where a waste of time nobody cared about but now since most kids play them theyre a platform for propaganda like old tv. you pretty much have to insulate your kid from garbage on it.

>>536747548
I would love the option to be paid money for time worked. instead I'm wasting years of my life for potentially $0 sales.

theyre chore simulators because it allows whacky and unexpected stuff to happen that makes people chuckle and laugh with their friends
mundane actions broken up by events, there's the key
need any other help?

>>536746396
You grew up into an incel who hates the world. That's the problem

>>536735961
>>536744960
I also quit my job. I didn't finish my game in time. Now I'm looking for a new job, but the only things I find open are marketing jobs (soulless) and AI jobs (AI operations engineer, AI writer, AI Trainer quality assurance) which are also soulless.
World is fucked.

>>536702741
ask nortubel

Every day I curse myself for being more into computers than art. Game dev would be a million times easier and more successful if I could make good art.

>>536745959
>>536746227
Something that isn’t mentioned enough is that all of those games seem heavily influenced by Roblox games. Just look at Roblox , it is filled with these kinds of games. We are seeing this generation of gamers who grew up on Roblox start to influence the mainstream PC audience.

If you want to get ahead of the market, clone Roblox kino

>>536748115
and roblox developers got their inspiration from top-grossing mobile games, not joking
it feels like a race to the bottom

>>536748103
I make "good" art and I fucking hate myself for not being good at programming. Im basically limited to RPGMaker for my current project

>>536747906
There should be Amazon warehouse jobs in your area!

>>536748103
There’s so many good games with programmer art you’re just making excuses. Unless all you want to make is waifu slop you are just a loser

>>536748250
Sure, but at least you're able to make the game look good.

>>536748250
HELLO ANON WANNA COLLAB

>>536748250
Can I see some of your art?

>>536748103
art doesnt matter anymore either, sociopathy matters
the poopoo mobile age of steam started with balatro

This is literally the worst age of gaming. Not even the "crash" compares to this

>>536747906
Then get a job?

I like full anti aliased Alpha blending, but if these are small particles, probably Alpha Scissor is good enough. as it is a quad with a transparent texture, MSAA settings won't help it. I kinda want the user to be able to drag a slider in the options menu and set all particle effects to use true alpha vs just alpha scissor.


So I made my own extension of StandardMaterial3D (Called StandardMaterial3DOptions here) which just overrides the standard and it checks the options menu setting and then checks the various properties and if they are enabled it sets them to the level specified in the config menu

Because the overrides get applied in _init(), I think that means you'd have to restart the game for them to take effect. But now I think about it, I could have them register with an options changed signal and then they could re-apply. I just hope that registering with a signal doesn't keep a reference around to them stopping them from being GC seeing as this is the material being used for particle effects... I'm sure it'd be fine.

>>536748250
there are RPG maker games making +$5k/mo on patreon. you'll be fine.

dwarf knight

>>536748250
RPGM gets a lot of shit but honestly I think it's a good engine. Quite versatile too.

>>536748529
How so? There's a shitton of games coming out to satisfy every desire. That combined with being able to emulate literally almost any older games makes it seem more like a golden age.

>>536748278
nta but amazon isn't hiring in my area any more
too much cheap foreign labor
it's a huge mess

*9001 good boy points have been transferred to your account*

>>536748360
That's fair but I get accused of AI a lot so having to keep WIPs is annoying
>>536748390
Thank you but I'm in a bad rut so I don't think it's a good idea
>>536748425
Here's some old screenshots but I'm doing a massive overhaul right now

actually i take it back, it was vampire survivors that killed indie games
the singular saving grace is that valve doesnt promote F2P games as hard otherwise half the popular games right now would be free with MTX and that'd be a-okay for steam pigs

>>536745556
For Blender learn the tools. Learn the hotkeys for those tools. I don't have a video tutorial to recommend but maybe there's some basic ones out there. You need to grasp the basics of how 3d modeling is done and what kind of tools you use to make it happen. A lot can be done with extruding(E), grabbing(G) and scaling(S). X Y Z control the axis locks when you have a tool active that uses them. 1 2 3 control the select mode for vertices/edges/faces. Alt clicking will try to select a loop. That's like the very basics.

Once you got a handle on the basics you could for example take an AI generated model and build a new model using it as reference. Like have the model there centered in your view and make a new object and model a new model on top of it with a lower polycount.

>>536748808
The more MTX, the less money Valve makes. The invisible hand of the market solveth all.

>>536748543
>>536748578
Makes sense but my biggest gripe with it is the resolution restrictions. Certain things like portraits and icons are set at fixed resolutions so you're basically forced to make your ui around those.

>>536748742
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>>536748742
4chan schizos, you don't have to write a post every time he tweets.

>>536723987
The bottom one is probably better if you expect longer paragraphs later in the game.

>>536746624
the ability to capture the player's attention is important but you wouldn't say that sort of simple "game" as you describe would be successful in steam

>>536749092
9/11 sim where you have to dodge scrambled jets?

>>536748958
Doesn’t that get fixed in later versions?

>>536748765
OK cool just call me whenever you get out of your rut and we’ll make the game of you’re dreams together. Nice artwork.

>>536746736
I see no problem.

>>536749165
no
an mmo and massive aoe to nuke israel

>>536749238
Thanks
>>536749212
Im not sure. I'm in MZ and it's the most up to date one. Like there's Unite but nobody uses it so there's so zero community support.

>>536746624
IT's a fucking crypto game jam, they never cared about effort in the first place.

>>536749279
a nuke simulator where you get to see the destruction would be kinda cool even if it used seriously simplified graphix

>>536749473
I see, that’s a shame. I’ve been thinking about getting MZ to make a traditional turn based RPG of my own, would you recommend it or an older version?

nortubel stop insulting your own fucking family on /int/

>>536748765
i'd also be down to collab with you for a short project or something after i finish the update i'm doing
i can't into art but i can program decently well.
we follow eachother on bsky so hit me up if you're ever interested

>>536749564
Nah I'm just being a bitch honestly I guess. Like I got a pretty good set up all things considered in MZ.
You can use Hudmaker Ultra and Moghunters stuff to make a really slick UI compared to the detail RPGmaker one.
Then you can grab a layer plug in to create a depth sorting system to give it some solid functionality.

My game is isometric and the movement system was an absolute nightmare at first but at the end I only needed about 5 plugins. Fear and Hunger has about 120 I think

>>536747989
that'd be cool if they didn't suck ass.

>>536748765
looks pretty good

>>536748765
prompt?

>>536749820
I appreciate the offer bigly. I'll reach out whenever I finish this absolute abomination of a project. I got a big rewrite on the go right now which is going to include asset creation so I'm hoping this will give me the juice to give it proper direction.
If you wanna learn how to make assets though, let me know and I can guide you to some good resources

Isn't funny how nobody praises a game for it's game design, and everyone praises a game for it's graphics?

Imagine a movie not being praised by her cinematography and story but simply by how pretty the actors looks.

>>536750246
there's a lot of games that get praised for their design tho

>>536749941
Thanks, I’ll check it out. The only thing I was worried about with MZ is that with it being newer it wouldn’t have as many plugins as the older engines. Glad it’s working for you, good luck with your game anon!

>>536748278
there isn't even an amazon website in my area. normies have such privilege, they think even shit jobs are available to everyone. my life would be 90% fixed if I could get hired at McDonald's.

>>536750246
Movies get praised (or trashed) for their VFXs all the time thougheverbait....

>>536749820
>bsky
tfw need a colab partner who is as repulsed by libshits as I am

>>536750690
you need to start looking at people for the consooming peasants that they are if you're gmi

>>536750634
yeah, me too man
it's hard, my only cope is to stay positive and trust in my ability to remain honest
good luck with your games

Only brown people hate bsky

Is it worth it contracting a concept artist first before diving into characters? I would think that it’s a good idea to get the art style / aesthetic down first before throwing money at characters and they just wing it.

>>536746559
I tried it but it's not what I'm aiming for
>>536747351
True. I thought maybe to hire someone or Collab if I can't do it but the thought of it is terrifying
>>536747765
I'm not sure if that works, I would still need to modify it to make it look how I want.
>>536748910
I know the basics but when I try to do something like pic related, I felt like a total idiot starting out with a cube and not getting anywhere. I sort of lack the sense for proportions or something. I'm mainly programming

>>536750808
No. I shall respect my audience, and they will appreciate the thought and passion I bring to my craft. My game may not sell the most, but those who do buy it will appreciate it. My only goal is to create something of value, something worth existing, something I can be proud of.

So anyway what's the best way to optimize for streamer/youtuber engagement and viewer watch retention in my indie friendslop pick3 roguelike deckbuilder horror game?

>>536751158
Your art direction should already be sorted out before contracting concept work. Visual development is what you are looking for if you are still in the blue sky stage.
You could hire a visual development artist on a contract (big money, visdev guys made triple what I was offered as a layout artist) or just get a ton of art references together and ask if the concept artist can do some visdev
>>536750690
social media is dumb regardless of political beliefs. Everything was better when it was forums

>>536751287
>I'm not sure if that works, I would still need to modify it to make it look how I want.
of course, but it's far easier to do that than to make the model from scratch.

>>536751287
>I felt like a total idiot starting out with a cube and not getting anywhere. I sort of lack the sense for proportions or something.
Well there you could use another model as reference. Even proper 3d artists tend to have reference art sheets for the shit they make.

>>536751348
you jest but gamers are sheep and you're the shepherd
if you do your job they follow you, they buy your game and they play it the way you meant it to be played

>>536750876
say that on bsky and post results.

my game flopped. what now?

>>536752936
Become a youtuber, you cannot succeed convince thousands into failure

what happened to the anon who was making this game?

>>536753264
i want to make games, not videos

>>536751287
are you just opening up Blender/whatever and starting from scratch? 0 reference? you're trying to juggle bowling pins and spin plates at the same time
have reference
model
if it's shit try again
if you think it's worth it, pay/beg someone else to do it
do you even know what you want? if a 10/10 low-mid poly artist was ready to work with you, would you have the concept art and/or reference ready, or would you be wasting both your times talking ideas and being vague?

>>536753323
he probably realized he spent 9 months on a docking minigame and gave up

>>536753323
the intergalatic pentadecagon could not have another agdg game threaten und-- you know who...

>>536753323
another one to the graveyard of half made games that were abandoned

>>536753329
then why are you fucking asking?
stop begging for attention, whore!

>>536694731 (OP)
>first you make game
>then you get the sseth video
>then you get the vtubers reacting to the sseth video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxEAtBHTjb0&ab_channel=NINERxNINE

>>536754015
I'd had fan art and I'm a fucking nodev lmao

Those who say its gay to develop games with male aesthetics are corrupted coomers
There's supposed to be a flux, man consumes the female image and projects the male image
We are supposed to make art that glorifies ourselves and enjoy the art which women produce of their own image (including their mere existence)
Glorify the your own gender in art in order to entertain women
Don't mimic the female sex for other dudes to jack off to, that's the definition of a gay social space, just a bunch of males jacking off with each other

>>536753323
Maybe the gameplay was not fun again?

>>536754015
cris that's because everything you make is total trash

>>536753787
>>536754543
I was going to say it looks too ambitious for a single anon.
Imagine trying to maintain that level of quality through 10s of 100s of ships and locations. It's the bare minimum for a space game now days. Impossible literally.

>>536754015
>tfw no one ever saved a pic of my game and asked about me after I stopped posting progress
What are you working on? I will ask about when you stop updating us.

have you seen those trailers/memes/adverts (fucking ssxlikedev has done this shit too) that start with
"they said it couldn't be done..."
WHO?? YOU COULD'VE JUST FUCKING INVENTED ANYONE
who is this fucking boogeyman you just made up? you've had to make that shit up, in order to come up with the answer
but the question was completely made up
it's like being in an argument and someone twists your words, or pretends you said something, just so they can have their canned youtube comment-tier response ready to go
fuck off man
>>536754434
fuck you, who's "those"? your dad? go fuck yourself and your blogpost

>>536754709
That's like getting a hug from a girl after complaining that no girl ever wanted to hug me, it's not the same.

>>536754734
Holy cope

>>536754734
>WHO??
The "gamedev can't provide sustainable primary income" pasta poster

>>536754658
>of ships and locations
IIRC this are bought assets

>>536754734
>have you seen ads
how do you even see ads nowadays?

I thought the lack of (You)s my game was getting was due to agdg's envy and lack of vision.
In fact it was valuable feedback for a game that got under 300 wishlists in a year.

>>536755485
Focus on the interior quality of the game
That's what sovl means

>>536755561
>Focus on the interior quality of the game
My games got leather seats with the finest stitching you've ever seen, Raj.

>>536755561
I don't care about sovl, I need money for food and rent.

>>536754787
>That's like getting a hug from a girl after complaining that no girl ever wanted to hug me, it's not the same.
C'mon, if the game is bad, I won't ask about updates, how about it?

>>536755363
You still have to make assets the game can't be a complete asset flip the ships need to be modeled by a team or single artist so there's some sort of standard of quality. If there are no original models in the webm then that's the answer it's vaporware.

>>536753323
he left during the ytc doxxing I think

>>536755691
Retard
>>536755780
Buddy you're in the wrong line of work

>>536755993
>Retard
Okay Rajesh but how's your games interior quality? Hm benchode?

>>536754015
why did you stop posting progress?

i fucking hate 3d modeling
its the most tedious, obnoxious, annoying bullshit ever.
i didnt mind pixel art because who gives a shit its just drawing with pixels, 3d modeling though is so fucking god-awful i cant stand it and im making no progress at all on top of it.

>just use premade assets bro
yeah ok, that works until i have some imaginary thing that doesnt and never has existed outside of my own mind and then im forced to model again

im unironically getting filtered by modeling, what do i do in this scenario bwos?

>>536756148
I'm still working creating my core fleet of homemade design paradigms but I have a few neat tangents going

>>536756291
What platforms are you using?
I might give a few tips

>>536742507
Same...

>>536756471
i was using blender for unity

>>536755993
My games have earned me enough for food and rent the past 8 years but that's over now I think.

>>536756762
>blender
Probuilder is just as good for low poly and its inside Unity. I recommend starting with primitives and then adjusting their dimensions, then layering on more complex shapes for detail and precise texture
>>536756769
Big if true
The way I see it, long term support in the industry is about trust. The most successful devs are principled and trustworthy, their fans believe in their output

>>536750246
90% of film discourse nowadays is based on how the actresses look

>>536756291
I found that box modelling "clicked" for me once I started modelling from planes instead of boxes and just spamming extrude/merge and knife cut construction. The odd inset or extrude/scale.
It was just way easier to get the shapes I wanted than trying to carve a box into the right form. And you do all that shit for retopo anyway so as long as you remember to recalculate normals who gives a fuck.

Seen people get really good results by working with subdivided primitives with smooth shape modifiers and immediately retopoing.

>>536756998
>Probuilder
ive tried it, unfortunately it produces really bad topology sometimes and is completely useless for designing creatures that need rigging

a) stop masturbating forever
b) finish your game