>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://fantasticanachronism.com/2025/03/20/how-to-be-good-at-dating/
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>33316138 (OP)
How to Get Black Women General

I'm gonna get drinks with a girl. Can someone make a greentext of roughly how this is supposed to be played out

>>33316168
You are going to have to give more set-up if you want better advice. Like what type of place are you going. How do you know this girl. If you had to give a rating of appearances what would be yours and hers.

Acquaintance asked me out for lunch, korean food.
She knows I speak japanese and I like asian stuff.
How do I make my intentions clear? (fuck)

>>33316205
Some tinder girl I asked her out for drinks and she said she was busy but then would try to changed her plans. We can only meet 1 time before I leave and she's aware of that so how do we end up in bed. I dont know what place yet that's why I'm asking how this usually goes. Main things is do we just sit and talk and drink? I'm thinking we sit face to face at a place then go to another bar and I'll try to sit like side by side on like a bench or whatever. How to escalate? How long does it usually last before I suggest we go back to my (or hers??) place, how do I even say it, just be straight up yo it's getting late you wanna come back to my place? Like 2 hrs 9-11 or something?
Appearance both a little above average I guess I'm a /fit/ gymrat she's like a thin arts/books girly.

>>33316415
Alright lets slow those questions down lol. First things first, don't overthink this shit. Now on to your questions

>How to escalate?
Touching and flirting. This means touching the arms and hands first. But before that seeing how close you can get. Also telling her compliments and making observations about her.
>How long does it usually last before I suggest we go back to my (or hers??) place, how do I even say it, just be straight up yo it's getting late you wanna come back to my place? Like 2 hrs 9-11 or something?
There isn't a hard and fast rule. You don't want to be plastered (whiskey dick). Try and shoot for an hour or two at most. See if she wants to watch a movie at your place.

Now you want to know a place, try out some where in a middle price range. Nothing like a dive bar but not a high end winery. Unless she's into that.

Also sitting face to face first is a good start but maybe walking around (i.e. bar hopping if you get a chance) then sitting next to her. You want to escalate, not too fast and not to slow. It'll mostly be about her comfort, if she's recoiling then stop and try again later. hopefully this helps

>>33316138 (OP)
I got my oneitis coworker's phone number.
I haven't expressed any romantic interest yet.
We both leave the company soon, but I got a hectic schedule before I leave.
what now?
Do I just ask her out directly now? over text?
Do I pretend it's just hanging out?
Do I invite her to a brewery I'm going to with friends?

>>33316138 (OP)
Ok I got one. We were in a bar after some event, most people left, just this girl (#1) and her friend (#2) sitting with each other at a big table, looking bored.
The girl and her friends are much younger than I am (22-24 vs 35) and I don't want to pursue her, I just sat down to chat, girl goes on a passionate rant about her job while the friend looks uninterested and rejects my attempts to get her in the conversation.

Then a male friend of theirs (#3) joins in, theres an empty chair between me and girl #1, and as #3 attempts to sit on it, #1 protests and switches seats with him, landing on the chair closest to me.

I'm a huge autist so I don't know if what #1 did was a tell she was into me, she had been drinking so it could be that too. Body language seemed open but I suck at reading it

Anyone has any insight?

Why do i only match with hideous girls on tinder but irl I get attention from attractive pretty women?

>>33316494
Allright thx bro. Can you elaborate on this bar hopping thing, sounds doable there so many bar places in this city.

>>33316659
Sure bro, let's imagine for a second you pick out a less busy bar initially to get the feel for her and flirt a bit. Then you might have scouted out a karaoke bar so you take her there. It helps break the tension up and makes sure you aren't getting too drunk to fast. Good luck my man. Rooting for you

>>33316655
Women of quality don't use dating apps.

>>33316691
But there are physically attractive women on there. Its frustrating

>>33316702
You're just another picture in a sea of other attractive men on a dating app. IRL you can stand out.

And if you get attention from women IRL why not just go that route then?

>>33316702
your pictures do not stand out enough
hire a professional

How do you go from friends to lovers?
I am crushing really hard on one of my female friends. We've been friends for half a year as part of the same group so we have a lot of mutual friends. We share many hobbies and interests and everyone around us ships us together. The only issue is that she's the kind of person that rarely ever develops feelings towards someone. This wouldn't have been a massive issue had it not been for the fact that she's been trying to get over her old love interest. She developed feelings for him despite him not reciprocating, and he himself lives in a completely different country. I'd say that she's mostly over that whole ordeal but there are still some lingering feelings. In other words, I think that her heart is currently closed off, but I think there's potential between us. How do I proceed? I've asked her to hangout one-on-one next week, which would be a first because we usually go out with friends. What do you suggest I do or act during the outing? How do you suggest I proceed in general?

Welp, just got stood up for the first time: waited an hour while drinking a delicious cocktail and read for little bit before deciding, "Eh, fuck this. I'm gonna go home and play STALKER." Zero response all night. I'm not pissed, just a little frustrated that it totally seemed like a sure thing.

Anyone ever hook someone better than usual and then have this happen?

How can I stop getting a crush on girls and actually developing platonic friendships?

>>33318155
What do you mean by "better"? It looks like you got in contact with a bad person, if she behaved the way you described. Nothing "better" to see here, move on.

>>33318397
Nah, not like a better person, I mean like throw your line into the water and have better luck hooking somebody from the dumb shit you say.

>>33316138 (OP)
What am I supposed to do to get a gf when I "go out"? I regularly go do hobby shit with groups, but there's no single women there because it's nerd shit. How do the normies just stumble into relationships?
>30
>khhv

>>33318636
find a hobby group that has single women in it
also as much as people hate this fact, dating apps are a massive factor for where people meet nowadays

>>33316953
If you've been friends for so long and she hasn't made a move on you or expressed that she likes you, there's nothing to do. If she considered you a potential boyfriend, you'd know.

>>33318828
>tfw been on several apps for almost 2 years and only got one date with a woman who I didn't click with. I even threw money at a few apps. I'm convinced I just can't into pictures.

>>33318897
you must be a pretty unique person, even total robot autistics usually fit well with women somehow

>>33316302
See if it comes up in conversation to begin with, if it does, there’s a fine line you’re going to have to stay on the right side of. Don’t talk about this cursed basket weaving forum. But could talk about travel plans to Japan and how you want to go. Depending on girl talking about anime is on the table. Talking about your favourite waifu is crossing that line. If it can be spun into a something that your passionate and interested in girls like that, but if you that line your then a weirdo.

>>33316691
They do exist but are rare, met my Christian GF of 2.5 years on Tinder of all places. It was my first Tinder date too.

>>33318155
Happens all the time yeah
Be aware though, it's never a sure thing

>>33316953
Friends to lovers is a trope that usually only works for women and not men. Usually to go from friends to lovers requires the girl already liking you in some way and then you eventually making the move. Now, of course there are times both people like each other but too afraid to say anything about it but it's obvious as fuck to everyone else.

The issue with asking to hangout 1 on 1 is that's all it is. You can go on 100s of 1 on 1 hangouts and it not mean a damn thing, especially if she just thinks its a friendly hangout.

1) You go on these hangouts and flirt with her. I'm not going to explain how to, but you need to make the hangouts less friendly and more intimate.

2) Be upfront about your feelings. Simply tell her you've known each other for awhile and that you've grown to like her more than friends. Just be prepared for her to say "No" and or have your friendship become awkward.

3) Don't invite her to hangout. Don't text her first. Act cold towards her. If she cares for you even a little bit, she will at least check in on you. If she doesn't ever check in on you, you don't really mean anything to her.

I have dreams of beautiful women every night. Waking up is always such a bummer

>>33319779
>Be upfront about your feelings.
That's a good way to flip the dynamic against you and really torpedo things. A man should never be open or upfront about his feelings like that

>>33319798
Who cares?

She either says she has liked him too.
OR
She says she doesn't like him.

Chances are she already doesn't like him anyways. Better to get it out of the way quick than going on multiple hangouts and wasting time.

Why don't you try to get women drunk?

It should facilitate the occurrence of sexual intercourse.

>>33316302
Female acquaintances don't just randomly ask men to go out for lunch. If this is out of the blue and a first time thing, it'd be safe to say she is using this as an excuse to deepen your relationship between the two of you. However, could also be buttering you up for an ulterior motive.

If one of my female acquaintances randomly invited me out for Chinese food because she knows I like Chinese food and can speak some Chinese, I'd assume she is interested in me in some way OR she has a proposal for something.

In the end, if you want to know, you need to go out for lunch, don't assume anything, feel out the vibes and watch her actions.

>>33319807
It's because being upfront about your feelings is a surefire way to get her to not like you, and to stop liking you if she did. You cannot be upfront about your feelings as a man. Your other two points (1 and 3) are very good though

>>33319807
The so what is that it will fail. You are applying logic to women. It will fail. They will lose interest.

How do I find a woman to sleep with/hang out with casually as a young attractive reclusive retard? I've had a few successes on tinder but they always get bored? of me after a few months, and it's such a pain in the ass to find and agree on the arrangement without saying it explicitly. I've given up on an actual relationship since no woman wants me for that but girls are soft and smell good and getting laid on the regular makes me more productive, so having this kind of arrangement improves my qol

If you are not like this don't bother

Someone said my new FB profile pic makes me look like a middle schooler. Sigh. I thought it was a good one too :/

>>33319896
Well, if you're actually getting FWBs from dating apps as a self proclaimed young and attractive guy and they all tend to get bored of you after a few months, then the problem is your personality or the sex they are having with you is just "ok". They get with you because you're physically attractive but that's about it. It's like if I find a super hot girl and sleep with her but after a few months she is still literally just a cock sleeve. Has no personality or a bad personality, can't hold a conversation, no humor etc. You get bored and move onto someone else. I met a girl who I hooked up twice with while she was on vacation. She was a sex demon but it was like talking to a wall. I immediately that even if she was here permanently, I wouldn't be able to stand her for more than a few weeks.

Also, most women who are okay with a FWB situation are 9/10 still keeping their options open and or sleeping with other guys too. Them getting "bored" with you is probably them just meeting a new guy that more of what they wanted.

>>33320736
>then the problem is your personality
No shit, I know I'm a boring sperg, hence the question. I know 2 of them got bfs soon after since I have them on instagram, one did break it off because she was too into BDSM stuff which I can't indulge, not into pain or inflicting pain. The other 2 idk, just slowly went cold.

If I was an interesting guy to women I'd just get a gf. I still make our encounters nice, chat shit, cook them something nice, go out sometimes, watch a movie. I subtly pry them over time for their little kinks and desires because I enjoy indulging them, I can last as long as they want in bed, have "motion" and a good sized dick. This is probably the only real reason they stick around since whenever I hooked up and sucked or went soft or something I never saw them again, the rest turned into this kind of arrangement.

I guess my real question is where do I find women that gave up like me (but aren't 40+ and ugly)

>>33320922
Seems like you need to find yourself a really insecure girl to keep around. You can find those on most dating apps! Good luck!

Decided to give the apps a shot, and they are even worse than I expected. Holy shit. I went with Hinge and Upward because I figured they would be the more popular ones where I live, although I really wish there was some hard data to back that up.
Upward gives you a ton of space to write, and most of the girls seemed pretty chill. However, the geolocator is suspicious, and the free version blocks off some important features. Meanwhile, Hinge looks like a total nightmare so far even with all the free filters on. Crop-tops, "figuring out dating goals," and pronouns abound.

>>33321050
Welcome to the real

>>33321121
I don't like the real. I've found a couple that seem promising, but it's so fucking hard to tell because of the useless prompts. I just found a white, Christian woman in one of the most conservative areas in my state who's asking for a "life partner." All of the available info points to her not being a weirdo except for the pronouns in bio, which might not mean anything. It's a fucking madhouse.

>>33321193
Oh, shit. There's a local weatherlady on here. So weird.

I had this friend for a very long time, since I was 14 (30 now). In 2016 we went to a party and got really drunk and kissed passionately, it was wild, really. We never talked about it again and shortly after I met the mother of my daughter. I stayed with her for 8 years and we broke up recently, in January. Me and that friend are still very close, she's godmother of my daughter and I admire her for the person she is, she always has been a great caring friend since I met her. The thing is, we have been close lately and I was thinking about that night that we stayed together, I wouldn't mind having her as a friend still, as she is really very important for me and my kid, but I wonder if I should talk about that night with her and see what she thinks about it (if she does think about it, at all)
What would you suggest?

>>33319798
>A man should never be open or upfront about his feelings like that
Who the fuck told you this. This board sometimes

>>33321416
>Who the fuck told you this.
My experience of being open and upfront with my emotions every time instead of flirting and easing into it

>>33321416
No this is pretty legit advice. It's ok if you tell your friends, but if you tell your gf there's a good chance they're going to use it against you at a later point.

>>33321416
A femoid hand typed this post.

any non traditional advice how to find high quality woman?

>>33318897
you're probably just ugly.
just marry and have kids with a homely 3/10 who also likes video games and anime and don't worry about the dating ever again since you're not cut out for it.

>>33321765
>homely 3/10
Ok.
Where are they?

My standards are not mentaly ill & not morbidly obese. I'm not expecting a 10/10.

>>33321772
find a nerdy hobby group that has girls in it.

>>33316541
Ask her out directly. It seems more personal that way, and that you aren't trying to just sleep with her. If she says no, then walk away and that's that, but ask and be confident about it.

When walking into a lot of bars where I live, there’s always these large groups of young women, often escorted by 1-3 young men. But when they walk into the bar, it seems all they do is grab a table for their own group and just hang out with themselves only. They close ranks around the table two, so it’s hard to find an in. I’ve rarely seen them mingle with anybody else. What’s going on here, and how do I open them up a bit, if possible?

>>33321924
They're there to have fun anon, not fuck 4channers

>>33316138 (OP)
Look at that ugly girl

>>33322736
shut your mouth about my curvy Oriental cumcow and her pale milkers

Sorry can't make a thread for some reason 18f from netherlands yes I speak English but I'd prefer Dutch if possible, but anyway I need some serious advice, having a big problem with my parents at the moment and need to talk about it with someone, thank you and be kind pls

My Kik: esmeegaatmee

>>33316138 (OP)
Do the right thing

Would it be weird for a 30 year old guy to date a 25 year old woman? I feel like I wouldn't be able to relate to someone 5 years younger than me due to how fast the internet changed shit

>>33323031
I'm 33 and I regularly date women in their early-mid 20s. We don't talk about internet memes or content creators. because why would you. One girl was surprised I knew about Kendrick Lamar/Drake feud

>>33323031
no lol that's basically the same age bracket

how do I cope with not having a single attractive girl be attracted to me in my life

>>33323402
in your whole life or just right now? If you had some in your past just remember the good times and how it can happen again.

>>33323409
whole life
never happened
only ugly girls go to dates with me

>>33323414
hmm maybe start going to bars and clubs every weekend, eventually a drunk pretty girl will be into you, and then it doesn't even matter if you blow it, you can just walk away and remember that an attractive girl was into you that night.

>>33323423
hmm actually not a bad idea
I've spent 30 years of my life and only gone to bars or clubs like a dozen times in my life

I'll bump that number to 100s by the end of the year

>>33323423
nta but I have been to clubs probably a 100 times and that never happened. I'm not even ugly, I've fucked attractive girls off dating apps.

>>33321395
If you want to, if you think it's worth it, then why not? Not sure what you'd say though but you know her best

>>33321924
>What’s going on here, and how do I open them up a bit, if possible?
When they go up to the bar to get a drink, that's your chance. Otherwise, no shot.

>>33323458
>I've fucked attractive girls off dating apps.
maybe I should give that a try

how do I fix my mind running blank in conversations. 5 minutes later all the things I could have talked about stream into my mind.

how do I fix my mind running blank in casual conversations with women. I have no problems talking to anyone at work. and of course 5 minutes after the conversation, all the things I could have talked about stream into my mind.

>>33324263
Is that Jon Blow? Also get more comfortable yapping nonsense, it literally doesn't matter what you say. I can talk about nothing for 4 hours with people I know really well

>>33324276
I need help with this too. I don't know, anon. Make an observation something nearby, eg "What kind of people go to that store anyway?" or "Those trees remind me of the ones I grew up with. Where are you from?" or talk about something that happened to you recently, eg "craziest thing happened at work," etc.

But yeah, I'm not the best at talking to strangers for prolonged periods of time either, anon, so I hope we figure it out.

>>33324276
I tend to have the opposite issue. I can usually keep a conversation going indefinitely if I want to. What triggers me is when it's like talking to a brick wall.

Every now and then I'll go on a date with a woman and trying to have a conversation with them is like pulling nails. It's not like they weren't attracted to me because we did still have sex afterwards but I quickly realized that I need my women to be able to conversate instead of just being attractive.

My advice is to just ask open ended questions. Asking them questions that they can elaborate on and express themselves. The more you do this, the less you actually need to talk yourself.

Is it still possible to find a woman who doesn't have a tattoo?

>>33324564
>Every now and then I'll go on a date with a woman and trying to have a conversation with them is like pulling nails.
her mind ran blank and she forgot how to speak because how flummoxed she was by you

>>33324583
Yes but I don't understand why that bothers you.

>>33324583
2/3 of women have less than 1 tattoo so it's more likely than not

>>33324695
Under 30? Nah

Would I have a chance with a girl that only speaks to me sporadically?
I met this girl 10 years younger than me at Anime NYC last year and we swapped IGs because she liked my cosplay. Unfortunately she lives in NY and I live in WA (though I travel to NY a lot because my parents and other family still lives there) so all we could do is talk. At first she would take like weeks to reply to my messages but my business has been getting some heat lately and I've been showing that on my socials, so now she usually replies to me pretty quick, like hours or less. We still don't have any long, deep conversations or anything like that.
We did make plans to meet up and do a group cosplay at this year's Anime NYC. I've mentioned to her other times I'm home visiting family but she's never brought up the idea of meeting before the con. She also very clearly doesn't lack for male attention, she's a very small time streamer (gets maybe a few dozen views) and she has a few thousand followers on IG and tiktok. I don't talk to her except on IG.
I know my chances are very slim, and she's probably looking to gold dig me a bit. I'm fully aware of that this makes me pic related, this isn't my first rodeo. But as I proceed through my thirties my opportunities to fuck young pretty pussy (without paying money for it) will diminish, so I want to take whatever I can reasonably get. And she is really cute.

>>33324564
Hey, if they're fine with me talking, that's fine too. My main issue is I don't want to be boring them. But if they're into and enthralled by what I'm saying and just like to listen, well that's acceptable. Of course, not all the time.

How true is it that attraction grows over time? I'm struggling a lot between a girl who I have basically 100% emotional compatibility and emotional attraction with, but who isn't really physically my typical "body type" (even though I do find her cute), and an idealized partner I have in my mind who may or may not even exist. I've attracted pretty conventionally attractive women who just didn't do much for me emotionally.

>>33324990
it grows 100%

>>33324847
Well, I think most women are attracted to guys who are passionate about what they do and have to say about it. I'm a photographer, so when I start talking about photography they eat it up. But if all you talk about is about yourself they will probably start to think your self centered and only care about yourself.

There are plenty of times I meet women who assume I'm a dick but then go on about how I'm actually chill af to talk to. A lot of the times they talk more than me and assume I'm actually an introvert when I'm really an ambivert. I can talk to people, I just choose when.

>>33324990
For me it never grows on me. If I am dating someone who really isn't my type or I'm not 100% attracted to them, it doesn't matter how good of a personality they have, that they can cook good food and how great of a person they are, if I'm not attracted physically to them, I will grow resentment over time. Yes, I know physical attraction dwindles over time as people get older, which I'm perfectly ok with.

My first two girlfriends were great people and good personalities but they weren't really what I was looking for physically. Each time I grew more and more distain towards them because I kept seeing other women I'd rather be with while out with them.

Some people can ignore it but I can't.

For example, I knew a 6'2 guy skinny af maybe 140lbs who was dating a white girl who was easily 250 and I'm just like damn, how can you hop in bed with her, see her naked and go "YES I'M HORNY FOR THIS".

Baffles me.

>>33316138 (OP)
Hinge and Tinder seem kinda dead compared to the last two years. Bumble's always been a ghost town. What do people use nowadays?

>>33325053
Would you say you knew this about yourself prior to jumping into this relationships or is it something you only learned from experience? The thought of me hurting this girl because I make the wrong call kills me.

>>33325061
>Hinge, Tinder, Bumble
Legal and free prostitution for everyone.

Just go outside, socialize, get to know someone.

>>33325053
There are high IQ breeders and low IQ breeders.
You seem to be the low IQ one.

>>33325053
>ooga booga nigger brain has high time preference and low pair bonding ability
Checks out

>>33325061
Nothing. I gave up on all of that garbage. I've been trying to make more of an effort to just go mundane things instead of sitting at home all day, not to look for someone, but just to make it feel less like I'm a hermit. The effort involved to look for someone just isn't worth it.

>match with a girl in her early 20s
>she lives 30 miles away from me
>says she's looking for someone to talk to and spend time together
>her profile mentions ltr and not looking for ONS/FWB
>not very riveting convo
>agrees to a date after few messages, she'll come to my city next Saturday
I dunno anons, we don't have much in common and I don't see much a ONS potential but what the hell

>>33325102
You can talk to 100 women at a time on apps. You can only talk to one at a time IRL.

>>33325102
>Legal and free prostitution for everyone.
Then why people bitch about not being able to land anyone?

>>33325102
>>33325168
I've never met a woman through real life but my body count is 6, 2 of which were relationships all from the apps. You guys should give them an honest try, I'd be hopeless incel without them.

>>33325193
I gave them like 3 separate tries. The only time they remotely worked was when I was in college around 2012. Last couple times I used it (this and last year) I got like 3 matches over two separate 6 month periods. Both times it was just immensely ugly fat black chicks. I though this last time it'd be better since I've lost a bunch of weight, look like a new person, dress better. Didn't change anything, literally get 0 matches, doesn't matter if I send messages or not.

It's just not meant to be for me, I'm not cut out for them. Would rather just be a incel/volcel at this point.

>>33325092
Something I learned from experience.

>>33325110
Okay, well enjoy your girlfriend you're unattracted to for years come. You can find someone who you're attracted to and has a great personality. No need to settle.

>>33325158
Enjoy your relationship with a women you're aren't sexually attracted to just because she can make you a sandwich. You can find someone who you're attracted to and has a great personality. No need to settle.

>>33325185
If she actually follows through with coming to your city just to go on a date with you, that means she is at least investing a good amount into you. The only reason I'd ever drive 30 minutes for a date would be if the girl is my IDEAL type.

Chance are that if you make the right moves, she will hook up with you. Any girl that drives a significant amount of time 30+ minutes has been an easy lay because she is already highly invested. I just invite them back to my place after the date and it's a smash.

>>33325215
There will always be more attractive women out there. As you pointed out attraction fades over time as well. You're just using this as mental gymnastics to be a fucking hoe.
Also
> just because she can make you a sandwich
I take care of myself and live alone competently. I'm not a manchild so having basic housekeeping skills doesn't impress me. It's square one.

>>33325053
100%. It's why I'm not lowering my standards. I'd rather be alone than with someone I am not attracted to. I will fucking hate myself and grow to hate them over time.

>>33325053
I've had the exact same experience. My last ex was my type, but she had a shitty personality. I really want someone who looks like her, but acts very differently.

>>33325242
Are you retarded?
Of course there will always be a more attractive woman out there. Of course attraction fades over time. However, I'd rather be with someone I'm attracted to NOW, has a good personality AND grow old with them.

Why the fuck would I want to waste my time with a woman I'm unattracted to when I can find one that I am attracted to and also has a great personality? You're settling if you think otherwise.

On the flipside, if I met a woman I was highly attracted to buy had a shitty personality or just a boring person in general, me just being attracted to them isn't going to keep me in the relationship.

I don't need someone to cook me a sandwich, I can take care of myself just fine.

You're the one doing mental gymnastics by trying to justify dating an ugly woman.

>>33325267
Ok great so you figured out what "standards" are
A win for the mentally stunted nigger (but I'm being redundant)

>>33325339
And apparently you have zero standards if you're will to date unattractive women just because she has a decent personality.

You are definitely lacking IQ.

>girl's entire bio is just one smiley face, her profiles has tags that suggest she's looking to date
>ask her what's she's looking for
>"a husband lol"
>conversation only picks up when I ask her out
Hmm

>>33316659
ideally you want to take a girl to at least two different places during a date. three is even better. I think Mystery popularized this. it does something to their brains, makes the night more memorable and also makes it seem much longer. then they're like "I spent so much time with this guy we're practically dating" and she gives it up that much easier.

>>33325385
I'd bang her then ghost her just to be an asshole.

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>33325408
Truth St. Pepe

>>33325349
>apparently you have zero standards if you're will to date unattractive women just because she has a decent personality.
Uhh did I ever say that, you negative IQ moron?
Holy fuck I knew africans were bad at extrapolation and inference but this is ridiculous

>>33325408
>Reminder that she expects you to it on her.

>Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>33325408
i'd rather shoot her

i filled out a prompt that i don't eat fast food and won't ever skip the gym and now i barely get any likes
are all women unhealthy and extremely clingy

>>33325436
If you're a fat ugly retard you should probably work on that first before hitting on a hot chick.

>>33325408
>hit on her
how do you hit on a woman
how do you hit on a woman who expects it

>>33325510
i won't kill myself trying to improov to impress her while she rides the cock carousel.

>>33325420
Brainless.

>>33321915
I didn’t read this until right now.
I picked the third option last night. Haven’t heard back, which is weird because she somehow immediately text me on my break.
I see her again tomorrow.
> Ask her out directly. It seems more personal that way
I guess I can try this depending on what she says tomorrow. Like if she’s just busy, I can ask her for a day she’s not.
My only concern is that this doesn’t seem that personal to me. As in there’s no way she can tell a difference between me and I guy that just wants sex.

How do I become interested in women beyond their bodies?

>>33325786
Die alone then, your choice

>>33325938
Been alone more than 30 years, another 20 or so won't hurt any more.

>>33316138 (OP)
How do you anons flirt online?

>>33326102
zero point in flirting online, because it's not about words. even 4k zoom calls aren't good enough to get the body language and repositioning data

>>33325859
you wont

>>33326102
Enough to get them on a date. If they match with you, they are at least somewhat attracted to you. Get them on a date asap and flirt with them there. Flirting online is low key a waste of time because you're just giving them free attention for nothing.

>>33326208
Well, shit.

If my ex is still sharing her location, still has my photo as the background for her phone, and kept the “I said I love you first” background in our Instagram dms, do I still have a chance of getting back together with her? She’s trying to sort out some trauma and some mental shit that she’s been going through for a while but can’t do it when I’m around and texting her; it distracts her, so she decided to let me go. I hated her for it at first but after thinking about it for a few days, I understand where she’s coming from. I just love her so much and it’s hard to come to terms with the current situation. I honestly would’ve preferred if she had a reason to hate me but I asked if she hates me or got sick of me and she said no, that I’m great, resilient, and will be okay without her. I’m not okay :/

Do you only have on chance or
I think this woman was trying to flirt with me but I spilled my spaghetti
it was a uni corp party I'm sure I'll see her again not sure if I should try something

>>33319818
>>33319529
Meh, nothing happened.
I think she sees me as a friend, also seems like she has a lot of male acquaintaces. So I'm pretty much invisible.
Women are retarded.

>>33325034
I am passionate about literature and philosophy and the arts but that's not great casual conversation. Once I'm already friends with or dating someone I have no problem talking. It's the first date or the initial approach I hate.

Ladies, ladies... how do I get women when I, as a realized autistic man, realize I am inherently subhuman?

>>33325510
>durr every job and lifestyle allows you to be /fit/
I used to bench 3pl8 and squat 4pl8 then I became a CEO and I live at a desk and am a paler, flabbier but much richer version of myself. I could buy any girls' parents' house, flatten it, and sell it back to them, but because I gained 50 pounds they won't even talk to me to find this out.
P.S. Money doesn't actually attract women, only prostitutes in denial

>>33325808
Blackness

https://discord.gg/TrzjvjZu
join this shit

>>33326302
You will have my time, son

I will be brutal to cut through the noise. You are not a man and your personality is undatable right now. Allow me to explain

I will spare you from anthropology lecture, just take it as is. They are always unsure, unstable, they have anxiety for five people, no testosterone, bad decision making biology and are scared of risks without safety net

Its you biological job, as a man, to be more stable than she is. More grounded. More certain. More decisive. Your job is to be the unmovable lightning rod for her storms. Her dad. Her steadiness

(Pickupers will disagree and say that uncertainty creates desire, but you are deep in relationship, the game is different here)

What are you doing right now? She has an exhausting emotional storm, and you are acting as another woman, even more feminine than her. You are emotionally unstable. Dramatic. Sensitive. Ungrounded

Woman is walking away unable to rely on you, and you melt like a child overanalyzing instagram dms. Asking her how she feels about you for validation, and poring fuel of your emotional instability into her own inferno

Step away from this relationship. Heal yourself first. Is your father absent? Weak yesman? Was your mother emotionally unstable in your childhood? You are a people pleaser, copying female affection patterns

Unless you become a man — self contained, emotionally stable, certain, calm, experienced and reliable — all your relationships with any woma will be toxic mess, putting you back into the spot you are now, the heartbreak, again and again

Its not your fault, but its your responsibility

>>33327216
There’s a kink for that

>>33327606
I agree with you 100% but did you miss the part where she claimed that I’m resilient? (I guess I didn’t mention it in that post but she also claimed that I’m super stable and have a lot going for me) I agree tho, I shouldn’t let it bother me as much as it is. I’m no longer focused on whether she wants to get back with me or not. I’m just gonna do what I need to do to be better and if she comes back, great, if not then it just wasn’t meant to be. If she reaches back out, I won’t immediately confess my love for her so I don’t add to her emotional inferno. I’ll just keep it casual, wait for her to get better if she isn’t already, and then ask her out

>>33327614
gonna keep it a buck bud. I saw your standalone post as well as these replies and all I'm gonna tell you is - that relationship is most likely over for good.

I've been where you're going and it's just a path of increasingly more pain and more uncertainty until you realize shit won't change no matter how much room you give her. It's completely up to you if you're willing to light yourself on fire to keep her warm though.

You don't have to listen or even understand what I'm talking about but just remember this reply once it plays out the way I said it will. I know it sucks to hear but God do I wish somebody was there to tell me this when I was going through something similar. I wish you the best of luck and godspeed.

>>33327624
What was the situation like in the splits that you’ve experienced tho? Because for her, it doesn’t have anything to do with me (as far as I’m aware) it has more to do with her just not having the emotional capacity to be a good girlfriend right now. This is a woman who I’ve been somewhat close to for half my life, been dating for 4 years now, and who ha, I kid you not, over 1500 photos of me that she has personally taken on her phone. I’m not just some random guy that she met one day at a bar and vice versa. We have a deep bond that spans over a decade and we’ve shared so many parts of our lives together, she isn’t just some fling or someone that I can just replace. I’ve been her rock and she’s been my best friend for a long time, you don’t just come by that and you don’t throw those kinds of people away for good. Idk maybe I’m wrong but that’s the way I see it. It’s a lot to cover in text, let alone on 4chan but we have a long history together and a love for each other that’s been brewing for almost a decade. Just from a high level point of view, we’ve had a crush on each other since we were 15, started dating at 20, we were both virgins, lost it together, and we’re 24 now. She originally was the one hitting on me too

>>33325192
Because it's prostitution and not serious bonding that is required for a stable relationship. Meeting in real life by chance and building interest is what matters and not going for a hook up to scratch the itch between your legs.

>>33327634
>and who ha, I kid you not, over 1500 photos
*and who has, I kid you not, over 1500 photos

Sorry, phoneposting

>>33327634
She was the closest thing to true love I've experienced to this day thanks to me being dumb and naive thinking love could actually be Hollywoodian. We'd gotten to the point where she'd regularly talk about how much she wanted to marry me one day and how we'd raise our kids.

Our splits had nothing to do with me either, I'd get the "I'm just incapable of being good for you right now" spiel, I'd hear how going on break would help her since she was feeling overwhelmed and getting rid of the pressure of commitment our relationship represented would do wonders for her. Multiple times it was putting the relationship on pause because of her issues and her inability to deal with things and/or her personal trauma.

Eventually one day she said she felt she was under extreme pressure from our relationship and it all made her suicidal so she wanted to give it another break. I yielded and within a week I found out she went and cheated on me with an ex and asked for the break to feel less guilty about what she did. Just decided to... one day blow up her entire life, dropped out of uni, cut her friends off and cheated with a dude who never even bothered to date her.

This in turn ended up annihilating any semblance of stability I had and it took me like 2 years just to consider dating again. Not before hitting the absolute lowest rock bottom I've hit in my life though. Took a shit ton of therapy and resilience (haha) to get up here again after I went as low as could be.

>>33327666
Holy fuck anon, I’m so sorry all of that happened to you. My post must really trigger PTSD because I’d be fucked forever if something that bad happened to me. I know her tho, she’s a really good girl and is fully committed to me. I can see her location (she can see mine too) and she knows this, I’ve been checking in on it every so often and she’s just been home (she lives with her parents) so I don’t have any funny business to worry about. I’m pretty sure she’s done the same thing too because I’ve seen the location indicator thing on the top right of my phone screen appear when I wasn’t using an app that needs my location. She’s a paranoid person too lol. I guess my entire reasoning behind my original post was to just gauge if there’s a chance she does intend on getting back together with me when she figures her shit out? I’m sure you believed that you and that girl would be getting back together too before she nuked her entire life but my girl has already done that and learned her lesson (she tried killing herself at 18 and she ended up being institutionalized for a month) and we talked about it a lot because it was such a traumatic experience for her. From what I’ve been able to gauge from those conversations, she’s learned the value of life and building connections with people (her family really helped her out after she got out of the mental hospital) and she took some time to herself to figure things out back then before we ended up dating originally. She’s smart, so I’m guessing she’s just trying to do the same thing before it explodes into a full on mentally insane nuke like your former situation. Again, I’m sorry that happened to you anon

>match with a girl on Bumble
>conversation goes fine
>ask her out for a drink on Thursday
>says she loves wine, but she's busy this weekend
>ask her when she's free next week
>no answer
Should I just take an L or do I salvage it somehow?

>>33327614
>but did you miss the part where she claimed that I’m resilient?

Here comes a second lesson, pay attention. What women say is very very very important. They rarely lie directly, its just you dont speak their language

When you hear a woman say anything, make a sandwich to that mean. Add "I feel" at the beggining, and "in this moment" at the end

I feel I love you in this moment. I feel you are strong and handsome in this moment. I feel we should break up in this moment

she may feel you are resilient and doing good, yet she choses to deal with her shit alone, because she cant rely on you. Thats the worst. She is not choosing a better man. She is choosing your absence. Think about this for a while. Soldier telling the general that he will try to fight war on his own

>I’m no longer focused on whether she wants to get back with me or not

You are pretending. You are here, with a hope of returning into old loops that didnt work. Hope is a relationship killer, holding you from becoming the man that is ready for dating. You have to kill it completely, kill attachment, learn the lesson, rebuild your character, integrate and then maybe try again if she also grew

I know it is very hard to hear, Ive been there. You can pretend for months or years, or you can start growing now

>I’ll just keep it casual, wait for her to
This will be brutal. But you are missing the point. You are hiding. Playing games. Strategizing. Hoping. You are trying tlo bargain with the universe, that if you will be a good boy suffering pain long enough, you will be happy

Games wont work. Hiding wont work. You have to let the wounded boy grow into the full man. Without games, feminine strategies and loving someone who is leaving you — which is not love but needy attachment

Do you have abandonment wound by the way?

And please, I am just a mirror. No point convincing me, I have nothing to gain here, I just reflect the truth that you need.

>>33327384
Since you're a CEO, it's probably more because you're old (30+). Despite what Manosphere copers like to claim, men decrease in attractiveness fast after 30

>>33319818
>Female acquaintances don't just randomly ask men to go out for lunch.
yeah they do. they also randomly ask men to fuck. doesnt mean they will bring the guy home and take care of him

>>33327747
>Since you're a CEO, it's probably more because you're old (30+)
Yup. The woman I thought I was gonna marry left me when I was 30, going on 33 now. I've had one or two relationships with women my age but that's it. I might as well be invisible to young women.

Fully agree "men age like wine" is a cope. Young girls don't want "serious," stodgy "established" men. They want young, dumb and full of cum like they are. Sure you might get one to sugar for you for a bit, but she's never going to love you like she loved her ex boyfriend from when she was 19 because he was a skinny surfer boy with abs and you're just a rich old man with a beer gut.

>>33327747
>>33328111
Also going to add that if you do "peak" in your 30s, that just means you wasted your potential in your 20s
I was never in super good shape but sometimes I look back at pics of myself from college when between BJJ and weightlifting I was training six days a week and I think "damn, I looked like THAT once? I had abs and cannonball shoulders and forearm vascularity?" Now I have a dad bod and I'm not even a dad :(

A few years ago after my breakup I went on a crash diet and lost 30 pounds and almost gained that body back but it did ZERO to help me with women. Nada. I only started getting into new relationships after putting back on weight and it was only with women my age. Fairly attractive women sure, but definitely ran through and not wife material for various reasons.

I asked the girl I've been dating to be my girlfriend but she said she doesn't feel ready to commit emotionally to that kind of relationship. But we've still been talking and she invited me to dinner with her on Thursday and ice cream. I'm interested in her and wish the relationship was going faster and more intimate. It makes me kind of want to curb my own feelings as we do things because right now she's taking up a lot of my emotional energy and head space and I'm not getting the feelings quite reciprocated. Any advice? I'm curious to see how this date on Thursday goes and if I should try to advance things.

>>33328179
I would ask her what she means by that and what exactly she wants from your relationship.

Personally I hate how complicated people make things and I hate guessing. I would assume she wants to be exclusive but doesn't want the "girlfriend" label for whatever retarded reason, she probably has some hangup about it. So just ask her if she wants to be exclusive. If she says no, you're probably just one of several guys she's dating, maybe she isn't over her ex and is waiting on him or some shit, just make sure you figure out exactly what is going on with her ASAP, and in the meantime start branching out to different hoes.

If she does say she wants to be exclusive and commits then cut off the other hoes. Just figure out what she wants.

>>33328230
I'm pretty certain we're already exclusive and since the last date had the tough conversation about the bf/gf label so I don't want to bring that question up right away but you raise a good point.
She said she's committed too soon before and she regretted it. I asked if she wanted to keep seeing me and she said yes so we've been going from there.

>>33328281
You need to actually ask. If she hasn't committed yet then you don't owe her anything and can see other people, and I would recommend you do that. At least get one other girl and see where that goes until this one actually commits to you.

>>33328179
Are you smashing?

>>33328310
Hmm ok

>>33322849
Just ask here

>>33316138 (OP)
this girl is cute

>>33327678
I couldn't give less of a shit that it happened to me so spare me the sympathy. Having victim mentality regarding stuff I can't go back and change would be mighty stupid of me.

The reason I told you my story wasn't to get pity points but rather stop you from repeating the same exact mistakes I did.
You can't fix the level of mental instability it takes to try committing suicide. Unless it was a one off - which it isn't. Her most recent crisis is what led to you two breaking up in the first place.

You're a pushover and a people pleaser evident from all your posts about this woman here. You can choose to stay and hope that things do get better because you have invested a lot into this relationship. What you cannot do is spend your days obsessing over whether there's a shot of you two getting back together. Man up, treat it like a clean break since she hasn't explicitly stated otherwise, and relieve yourself from all expectations that she'll even want to be with you again.

If she does end up reaching out eventually? Great, you'll plan around it then (while still treating it like a clean break). If she doesn't? You don't end up hurt because you stayed hopeful until the end.

The single worst thing you can do in situations like these is leave the impression that people can treat you like a backup.
No, scratch that. The single worst thing you can do in situations like these is allow for people to treat you like a backup.

Go out, live your life and stop banking on being with this woman again. Being a martyr doesn't earn you cosmic brownie points that ensure you'll "earn" or "deserve" love.
All it does is almost guarantee that you will just be too emotionally drained to actually make it work with "your person", when you finally meet her. You'll know it's her when she doesn't eject from the relationship whenever she's in a rut when you two are supposed to be each other's support system).

And remember, don't light yourself on fire to keep her warm.

Its been a year and 5 months since my oneitis of 10 years finally let me into her life. We talked for 8 hours and then started making out and went to her bedroom to have sex. Because I had drank roughly 17 to 25 drinks i wasn't able to get hard so I panicked and asked her to be my girlfriend and she immediately got out of bed and put her clothes on. I got black out drunk the next night and called her on the phone and cussed her out for 30 minutes. I then tried to drink myself to death. Woke up in the hospital. Been sober ever since.

>>33328508
Cool blog

>>33328508
Kek

>>33328508
lmfao

>>33328508
I've never had alcohol in my life, I wonder if a little bit would help me have courage with girls

>>33328965
If you're a timid autist, a little bit of alcohol is actually good for you. As long as you can control it. It will make you get out of your head and become social, and lose your fear of talking to women.

She invited me to dinner on Thursday. Is it too much to invite her to a fireworks thing on Saturday? Is that "greedy"? I haven't seen her in 2 weeks and thought a romantic night seeing fireworks would be fun.

>>33328179
If it isn't a fuck yes, it's a no.

If she really liked you, she'd be the one asking you to be her boyfriend or at the very least hinting at it constantly. Every-Single-Woman I've dated for more than a month expressed or heavily implied / hinted they want to be upgraded to girlfriend status.

The very few that didn't were absolutely sure they didn't want a relationship with me for whatever reason. One was an older Asian woman that was bi and was very openly dating a girl for a few years. A lot of her friends were also her girlfriend's friends. So, we kept it on the down low for a long time, even met her friends. However, they quickly became curious because of the way she treated me versus other male friends. I'm good at keeping things looking platonic, she wasn't.

>>33329364
I asked if she wanted to keep seeing me and she agreed, and I asked her on a date that she asked me for. So that's why I'm continuing to see her and of course think she's worth the time investment. Any advice?

>Download Bumble to supplement the other apps
>First three results are the real-world equivalent of "MEET MILFS IN YOUR AREA!!!! malvertisements
The first two were average, but the third was actually super hot and bluntly described herself as a MILF (she has a kid). The logical and religious parts of my brain tell me that this is either a scam, attention-whoring, or would be a trainwreck of a relationship. On the other hand, swiping left would make me feel ultra gay. These apps are a cancer on society.

>>33328179
>I asked the girl I've been dating to be my girlfriend
retard

>>33330070
:(

>>33329784
Just talk to her at least. I find MILFs to be generally more interesting. One thing you gotta look out for though is cuck shit, a lot of them are "hotwives" looking for a younger guy to fuck them, often in front if their husbands. I actually went ahead and did this twice when I was younger and really horny, but it was super fucking weird.

>>33329372
Technically, you're in the ideal position. You are dating a girl which I'm assuming you are having sex with and she isn't even pushing for a relationship. This is ideal because technically you can still sleep with other women assuming you want to. But that doesn't really seem to be the case.

You seem to like her more than she likes you, hence you pushing for the relationship. The dynamic is flipped. She doesn't want to commit because of X reason. Regardless of the reason, you are in the weaker position unfortunately. Typically you want the woman to be chasing you for a relationship. Why? Because a woman that is chasing you isn't running from you. If she likes you more than you like her, she won't be leaving and she'll be actively trying to lock you down.

The reality of it is that there is a very high chance that she isn't ready to commit because she is still exploring her options. There is probably another guy (or 2) that she is into and may preferably want to be with but for whatever reason they don't want her. But if she gets into a committed relationship with you, that means she'd need to give up entertaining other guys, which she isn't ready to do.

Trust me, a woman will keep you as a placeholder and immediately ditch you once they get the guy they really want. I've experienced this a few times myself.

My advice would be to continue seeing her but honestly don't get your hopes up about this becoming something fruitful. Potentially start looking for other options. If you ask a girl to be your GF and she says she isn't ready, that is a really bad sign.

>>33330173
>I find MILFs to be generally more interesting
Not that anon but what's interesting about an old woman with a kid who's trying to be a whore? Sometimes I think this entire thread is just porn addicts. Is anyone here married or looking for marriage? Should I start another non degenerate general?

>>33329784
>>33330173
Too late. Already swiped left. I actually just matched with some Hispanic chick two minutes ago, and I'm writing a response now. She wasn't my favorite, but it's cool to get a match on my first day on the app.

>>33330379
She's lived an entire life. I like listening to their stories.

I don't even watch porn so idk what you're on about.

I just got divorced this february and I'm talking about shit I did many years ago.

>>33330498
Good luck anon

so you're not really a beacon of success. why are you even giving advice ITT? being divorced should be disqualifying

>>33330523
Thanks. I actually matched with another girl shortly after, but I need to wait on her to send the first message. Her weight makes her the bottom of the barrel, though, and she was primarily chosen because she lives virtually next door to me.
This sounds really cynical, but I apportioned a select number of likes on my three apps to girls who would be a bit more desperate (chubby, single mom, etc.). With this strategy, I'm hoping to keep some people in my back pocket while waiting for the more desirable ones, although I'm willing to give the worse matches a legit chance since I'm not THAT shallow. Of course, it's possible that none of these people will actually follow through on the matches, but I think I've made a good start.

Just a reminder, this general is lurked by doxxing kikes that should be boiled alive.

Do not post here, you can learn everything you need on youtube and no need to interact with glowie kikes on here.

how many rejections does it take to get a decent woman
I've gone through like 100 to 200 by now and no real results

>>33330785
Not everyone gets divorced through fault of their own. Sometimes the other person becomes shitty all on their own. That happens to men and women. That being said, if you're divorced and don't know what you could have done better, then that is a red flag and you should take that advice with a pinch of salt.

>>33325404
>>33316681
Had a lot of fun, conversations flowed naturally, lots of laughs I'm surprised how well we vibed. She was even cuter in person, surprised cause girls usually camerafraud.
>we were drinking beers talking about regular stuff work hobbies vacations etc
>3 different bars in total probably like 45 min to an hour in each place trying different beers
>last place was a quite bar she liked, we sat on a sofa shoulders and legs touching
>place was going to close we heard loud music from somewhere so we went and checked it out
>another bar still open, more like a dance thing
>just stood outside in front of a window checking the place listening to the music a bit
>had her in front of me put my hand on her hip/held hands she leaned into me
>some drunk girl inside started twerking in front of us
>was funny if she just does it for a second but she just kept going and going
>"she really wants your attention huh?"
>"too bad, I'm only looking at you tonight"
>turn her around we start making out
>she flips her middlefinger behind her while we make out (so towards the girl inside)
>we leave to show me her favourite spot by the river
>make out more there
>getting cold and late I take her home
>tell her I dont want to leave her yet she says it's late and she can't and has to wake up a early but in a tone that says convince me otherwise
>kiss more and she's like allright let's go inside
>we do the sexing
Would recommend 10/10.

The openess of the heart a woman has for you is more important than everything else. If the girl you like does not have a strong heart or even is on the fence, she is not worth it.

>>33316138 (OP)
What do males talk about with females? How do you start and lead a conversation?

I am a male with many interests. I work as a graphic designer and as a hobby got into 3D modeling and rendering as well. Also I do a bit of programming, or rather learning it. Bookbinding is something I do in my spare time when I am not in the mood for the former activities. Also I love going on hikes and explore nature. But when I am left with a female, I just don't know what to talk about, because if I talk about any of my interests, they don't understand a fucking thing and stare at me as if I am from a different planet. Similarly, if I listen to their stories, which usually revolve around the latest Netflix series or some related nonsense, which I am absolutely clueless about, because I dont watch any TV whatsoever, the conversation often comes to a halt, an awkward silence, because we are not on the same wavelength. So what do females find interesting to talk about? Is it really just the most mundane bullshit that keeps them engaged?

>0 matches across 3 apps all week

Am I cooked?

>>33334259
Which ones are you on? You might need to expand. Over the past couple days, I said "Fuck it" and downloaded:

>Upward
Pretty shit. It's free, doesn't limit you, and has a decent population, but I've got no matches and two likes, one of which was from a guy.
>Hinge
A lot of good options but no matches
>Bumble
Also a lot of good options and two matches, but I haven't heard back from them
>OkCupid
Extensive profile creation and free message with a like is cool. Geolocator is fucking terrible (possibly intentionally) so you need to keep swiping because it'll show you someone 200 miles away and then someone next door on the next swipe. Got 8 likes really fast, but that obviously doesn't result in an immediate match. I bet they boost new accounts to give you that initial dopamine hit, so it might be worth it if you like gambling.
>SALT
Really low population. I ran out of people in two days, but I actually just got a match as I'm typing this. Worth a try since it doesn't take much time investment.

>>33332718
Good for you dude. Glad you had a good time. Hopefully you keep it up.

>>33316138 (OP)
So how do you guys approach women in class or in a university setting?

>>33336768
By not thinking too much.

>>33336768
Dont be ugly

>>33336768
>baby can you believe this cucked PC woke bullshit they are feeding us?
>i bet this professor's Jewish
>everyday you bend over and they try to shove more leftist bullshit up your ass!

>>33336768
Don't respond to namefags

>>33336774
Just go up and talk to them, then? Sorry, I'm a bit on the older side, but I do plan to be back in school this fall.

>>33336779
Well, I'm not, and I'm getting close to 10% bf. I've been told I'm handsome, but the last girl that said that I met in a psych ward, although she was there for rehab.

>>33336768
Something related to the classwork or subject, obviously.

>>33336783
Do you have much of a personality besides that? Anon, I think your obsession over what is abnormal is gonna hurt you. Yeah there is going to be a clown honking his horn and making noise at the supermarket while you just want to buy your toothpaste and leave, but my god your OCD is going to harm you. What if you date a hot girl and she has a little brother that keeps saying things like gyatt and sigma rizz nonstop while trying to get you to play Fortnite with him, are you gonna sit there like a tree stump potentially over time losing your girl, or are you gonna change your attitude?

>>33336785
It's really not that big of a deal. You just need to stop approaching people out of the hopes of having sex. Approach them to be a friend. True you may not have sex, but a friendly interaction at a bus stop is more likely to go somewhere when you stick to being a friend than trying to pick up women.

>>33336820
Fair enough. I try to talk to everyone wherever I go, and that's been good for making friends and acquaintances, but I just don't know how to broach the topic of wanting to take someone out once I know I like them.

It isn't how you get her back, it is how you can move forward and enjoy life knowing you still got it and that someone someday may appreciate that.

Married 31 year old that had many girlfriends, is there any way i can assist you hapless kids?

>>33337336
I'm older than you, bro, just divorced. I think I'm going to do well the rest of this year. I'm not the most handsome, but I'm not ugly. I'm fit, and have money, a place, and cars. I just need to talk to more women, and I'm going to be around younger women the whole time, so this should certainly help things.

>>33337336
How does a guy who wakes up in the afternoon and goes to bed in the morning to work a midnight shift date?

>>33337378
Well let me ask you a question then, how long were you married and why did you divorce
>>33337449
I do not understand the question

>>33316138 (OP)
Btw i dated a fatter version of this girl with more tattoos all over her arms, everything else looks identical. bangs, glasses, ethnicity, style, and nice tits.

>>33337449

Scheduling and communication. Date on your days off of work just text people when youre available etc.

>>33337476
I was married seven years. We got divorced because she cheated, but I kind of had already ruined it before that. I was working on it, but that wasn't good enough, and she'd been seeing some other guy.

>>33337336
How do I make friends and meet women, as a 30 year old loser working an office job?

Are women even in this thread?

>33332906
>No answer
Hilarious, why does this general even exist?

>>33332718
>we sat on a sofa shoulders and legs touching
this is my favorite position to be in because at this point she's already like 90% decided she's gonna fuck you, so you can get creative with how you convince her to make that last jump to her place or yours. my favorite one that actually worked is
>hey you wanna see my midget roommate?
ridiculous and an obvious lie but it shows how once their mind is made up you can say whatever, they're just waiting on you to bring up the idea

>>33337542
Damn. Kids? How do you think you 'ruined' it beforehand?

>>33337721
I'm glad you included the bit about the office job. Because I think office jobs are designed to make men not just infertile, but unsexy as well. It will be an upward battle, you'll have to spend a lot of your free time outdoors to negate the office-born despair clinging onto you. That's just the start. Then, after you've sort of gotten the office stink off, you start to wedge yourself into coed spaces or even women dominated spaces. Try art classes, working part time at cafes, pottery classes are a big one. Yeah, its performative, and women can pick up on why you're there, but what you have to do is genuinely take an interest in that hobby, then you have a non-sex related bridge with the opposite sex. This was always the best 'in,' and I've used it since middle school. My thing was painting. You know those species of birds that get the shiniest object to present to their mate? We are literally no different from that. It's just that some women like bags, some like a man that can paint a dead tree stump really well.

>>33332906
I would start talking with whatever they want to talk about. You should generally not be the one doing the talking. That's just a good rule of thumb. Women love to talk, they don't really care to listen to a guy talk. You're not supposed to really be genuinely interested in their Netflix show, you just need to show a genuine effort in listening. Imagine you had a daughter that finally saw you after you got home from work and she wanted to blab on about some dumb shit. The point isn't to be interested, it's to take pleasure that she's talking to you at all.

Bit of a weird question, but how do do you go from friends to a couple? There's a girl who i think is interested in me. We meet in irl so its not like we were planning to get together from the start.

I'm planning on asking her on a date, and if it goes well im planning on asking her "how bout going out with me?" or something to that effect.

>>33337336
How do you know or what does it feel like when you actually like a girl for more than just sex and filling my free time? It's like I am not capable of having deeper feelings or caring about another person. "if they left tomorrow I would be over it by the next morning", that's how I always feel and so far I'm trying to find someone where I dont feel like this. I've never been with a girl for more than 2-3 months though, do I just have to give it more time or am I right to think that nothing more than a casual fling will come out of it if I dont feel something deeper in that time frame? How did you know you wanted to someone to be your girlfriend and then how did you know you wanted to marry that particular girl?

>>33337920
Well I married my wife because she was my dream girl. Everything, body, face, demeanor, everything was a match, I knew right away God was saying if you fuck this up I am making a biblical example out of you. So I just married her right away. Before I met her though I did sort of bounce around girls the same way, sometimes I was the one trying too hard, sometimes the other party was the one trying desperately hard to keep me. It was confusing, yeah, and pretty grating on the soul. For that reason I don't miss that time, no matter the freedom youth spontaneity or uncertainty that there was. I guess that's my answer, you just get through it and one day you will know clear as crystal who you want to marry, and then maybe you will stick with her or maybe not, maybe you get divorced 3 times before you find her. Sadly, nobody knows.

In your case you might want to do more digging, maybe it's the commitment that you find hard. You can give your deeper emotions to a girl, it's actually a conscious choice. I know because I've done it too many times and got burned.

>>33337920
>It's like I am not capable of having deeper feelings or caring about another person.
this is me as well. i see attractive chicks out in the wild, dating apps, etc. never once have i felt anything more than just physical attraction. even in gradeschool, never had a crush or anything like that, never had a relationship. i think fundamentally i'm just not meant to be with anyone and somewhat broken in a way, iono how but whatever i guess. at least if i die early i can leave my cash to my brother.

>>33337336
i just got out of a 6 year relationship due to my own issues and failure(s).

I havent dated really before this girl how do i go about dating again or at least meeting a girl that would be fun to hang out with

I do go out and do shit but like I have anxiety when I see a cute girl in public

>>33337883
No kids, but I was unemployed and depressed, and I got angry really quick over small things. I went to therapy and everything, but it was too late by then.

>Cute shy(ish) girl works in cafe I go to
>She never smiles
>Every time I go in and she serves me she always smiles
>Observe her like a predator would prey
>She smiles at some and not at others now
>But I'm the only one she looks at in the face when she smiles
>Everyone else she's either looking at the register and smiling, looking at the register and not smiling, or looking at them and not smiling
>Obviously in my head she's looking at me and smiling because she likes me
>She's younger than me
>One day someone more her age is ahead of me
>New material to work with
>She looks at them but is completely stony faced
>Doesn't smile once
>Smiles at me like always
>Then I start thinking maybe she doesn't smile at the people she likes and really she likes this kid who is more her age and she's playing it cool by not smiling
>Can't ask her out because she's at work and it would be really awkward every time I went back there if she laughed at me and said no
>There's no guarantee she even does like me it's just all in my own head based off the smile system anyway

The one time she didn't smile at me was when I had shaved off all facial hair. She actually looked a bit annoyed but maybe she was having one of those days.
I'm looking too much into this bros, I know that. I do look younger than I am, I lift, I'm autistic on here and silently autistic, but not outwardly.
I don't even know why I'm typing this because I don't even know what I'm supposed to be asking for help with.
I'm a mess bros.

>>33339095
You will have my time, son

>I'm a mess
Yes you are. And by accepting that, you have done half the healing. You ego is open to change

>I don't even know what I'm supposed to be asking for help with
Ready?

I dont have to read all of your post. You are paralyzed by overthinking. Why? Because you are afraid to fail

Its okay, we all have fears. Approaching women is biologically scary, because for millions of years we lived in small tribes. One woman reject you, everybody you know is aware now. And you dont procreate, biological suicide

So actually, you are not a mess. You are just scared. Fear is a viable, needed mechanism to make you safe. To survive

Are you ready? You dont live the world that fear is useful anymore. While fear of rejection is real, and it is fueling your overthinking to makes approach safe and perfect, in modern world it plays against you

You losing your precious life energy and time on not getting results

Step one, accept your fear. Say out loud - I am afraid to risk showing desire to a woman I like, because I feel it will hurt me

Accept it. Say thank you for your fear for protecting you so far

Step two, not knowledge or words, but small repetitions. Ask old people to hangout. Ask strangers favors. Get safe rejections. Flirt with fatties, ugly women. I know all of it sounds weird, but your system would feel more pressure. You have less to lose subjectively, so the anticipated pain is lower

Thought consistency, overwrite old loops into new ones. Do it untill talking to gorgeous women you desire feels like ordering mcdonalds

You can think of it as driving a car. Your first drive you have tunnel vision and everything is scary. After few years, your brain is so reinforced through repetition you are driving on autopilot

And be aware, as all skills, if you dont repeat approaching women from time to time, these loops weaken, so it gets harder again. But once a loop formed, its easier to reinforce again

>>33339646
I am tipsy writing this, but past the errors there is knowledge you would pay 1k per hour session to get your mess fixed, face to face, so its still gold

Have any PUAs tried using "beta blockers" medication to reduce social anxiety for pickup?

I am tired of relying on alcohol. Beta blockers seem perfect because there is no addiction and they aren't even really psychoactive they just block the physical sensations of anxiety like sweaty palms and racing heart beat which should in theory make it a lot easier to overcome ones anxiety.

>>33337336
>As a convicted prisoner would any of you like to take my legal advice?

No thanks

>>33316138 (OP)
So I will have lots of time to travel. In which country could I find myself a wife ? And how ? Some weak money so I will be rich with my euros, and not islamic, or where women can be open.

>>33316138 (OP)
How to deal with mixed signals?

In person it's great and I heard a voicenote that she sent to a mutual friend. It was overwhelmingly positive but she never initiates our dates and text replies are like 6hrs later on average.

possibilty to fuck a female to male trans person but hasnt like actually gone on hormones yet...so still looks like a girl....Do it do it or avoid the crazy?

>>33323031
I'm 35 and fuck 17-20 pussy regularly
you're a cuck Amerinig aren't you

Is getting a gf even worth the pain?

>>33323031
you sick fuck. She has only been a legal adult for 7 years

>>33340704
>I'm 35 and fuck 17-20 pussy regularly
how do I do this as a 30 year old loser with no friends and no social life?

>>33321395
The romantic in me loves this idea, but you know her better than us; does she seem the type who, if you propositioned her and got turned down, would be able to carry on normally after?
Like if you make a move on her and it works out, great. But if it doesn't, would things be too weird to go on? Would she be the type to cut contact after?
Given that she's an important person in your child's life, the mature thing may be to not rock the boat. But if you're close enough that you can both be adults about it, regardless of what happens... then hey man, why not?

>>33323031
She's a year shy of you two being in high school together, who cares. 25 is about when age gaps stop mattering in terms of the kind of stuff you'd be into, she's not gonna be listening to Kidz Bop and ordering Happy Meals.

>>33324276
The Solid Snake method is undefeated
>Hey anon, have you seen Love Island?
>Love Island?
People love yapping and questions imply investment, it's literal autopilot.

>>33340970
Yeah that's exactly what my therapist said, why not? It's not an ultimatum and she's a very reasonable person. I know her family as she knows mine, I've been very close to her when she lost her mother to cancer, she called me minutes later, I think she trusts me and really counts on me. Maybe she thinks like me and wouldn't want to mess our friendship even though we clearly had a spark. I saw her yesterday, she stayed with my daughter for me to go to a meeting, and she is just so great with her, they had so much fun for about two hours she was with her. The other time I visit her I cooked a vegetarian meal (she is vegetarian) and she loved it, she even repeated it and said it was great. I feel that since the night we kissed and never talked about it, we have some sexual tension, I can't explain. Like sometimes we don't know how we should greet one another, a little awkward. So I'm inclined to give it a try, it will be awkward for sure because I don't even know how to get to the topic. The night I visited and cooked for her I feel now was a great time to do it, it was just the two of us and she sat near me as we talked and made physical contact sometimes talking about a recent trip, she was really relaxed and touching my arm sometime. I have to mention she is my "family dream" also. They praise her very much and my mother already asked if I ever considered going for her. I always said she is a great friend, we had a thing one night but never talked about it, she replied with "I know she's the girl for you". Maybe I should mention that after asking what she thought about that night and how she feels about it? People say mothers knows things and she was really close to her's.

>>33340985
Just repeat keywords back to them in a low, gravely, raspy voice?

>>33341041
See, you're a natural. Good luck, Snake.

>>33340386
Philippines
They speak more English and the men are all ugly 5’2 so not much competition

Usually when I smile at women who meet my eyes in public, they smile back because I'm pretty good looking. On rare occasions, however, I've gotten the flat smile, the :| kind of smile, and look away. I've never been able to decide if that's shyness or disinterest. I've heard from men who don't attract looks and smiles from women that what they get is women not looking at all, or if they do and the guy smiles, the women will just look away without making any face, so that seems different than what happens to me, so optimistically, it must be shyness, yeah? What do you guys think?

>>33340935
You’ve got 5 years to build a social circle
Get a social hobby
Get an insta
Grind both
Profit

>>33341208
Is gym a social hobby? I already do that solo. Don't make many gains but its fun.
also how do I grind an instagram account? I'm not very photogenic or outgoing.

How do I get normal women

When I meet normal women they want me to do everything, lead the conversation, be perfect, never be boring

Then there's the hot crazy chicks that will literally put 100% into the relationship from the start but they tend to burn out HARD or go nuts

Think I might have fucked up a good opportunity today.
Went to the park and it was really quiet for how nice of a day it was. Saw a cute woman walking her dog and passed by her. Little while later I was sitting in a quiet part and her dog came running up to me, but the woman was an awkward distance away to speak to. Not close enough to speak at normal volume and not far enough to pet the dog until she got closer. The dog ended up dodging behind me anyway at the last second which made me look even more awkward and I just sort of smiled at her. Spaghetti everywhere.
Now that I think about it I wouldn't have known what to say if I had spoke.

What would one of you chads have done in this situation?

>>33316138 (OP)
thoughts on lying about your age to get younger women? I don't want them to be my gf or long term partner just a hookup or fwb

>>33341844
I mean, just don't mention it. You can lie, obviously, but if they want to sleep with you, they won't care.

>>33341332
nta anon but im thinking about getting a good camera and walking around taking pictures of animals just so i have something to post to insta

>>33325408
i work at my familys service station and there's this rep girl that comes in every month for a drink we stock. first time i didn't think much of it but second and third time (yesterday) we had a short chat and i just think she's got a homely aura to her thats worth pursuing, and normally i don't really engage with girls anymore like i used to (31 now and genuinely tired of these gamey relationships that are huge wastes of time).
already have her number so i'm thinking of just shooting a message like
>hey its me from x store. still good on the drinks buut i wanted to ask if you'd wanna hang out sometime, maybe grab a coffee
but i think i'm at a stage in life where my home life is so comfortable (will move away from the family business to a more professional career soon also) that i am more afraid of her being interested than rejection...so for the first time ever i have the courage to hit on her but i'm scared to press send because the outcome might be 'positive'...

>>33327723
take L move on
been there done that, at best you're on the bench and there's no guarantee you'll see play time.
if she was replying it would be somewhat salvageable but no answer is like waiting for a bus that doesn't have an arrival time - not worth it.

>>33328179
telling you my close friend's experience
together for over 2 years, engaged and still it broke up because she felt like he was 'controlling' her lol (because he was saying no to solo trips overseas). the bitch was in his league but her personality wasn't and we warned him of this.
relating this to your situation, if she's not ready now, it's the biggest possible red flag because it means she doesn't see you as a life partner. women aren't complicated at all bro, they're simple and know they want. if you want marriage and kids and a family, don't waste more time and absolutely do not let her lead you alone because of sunk-cost fallacy (like my mate). the sooner you move on (if you have to) the better.

>>33341846
what do you do when they ask how old you are

>>33332594
think of it like unboxing a counter strike knife.
the odds of opening a knife don't increase with the amount of crates you open.
and now understand that good women have a lower drop rate than digital knives.
but do keep rolling fren, because rolling for girls is at least free.

>>33336768
(DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
>sit behind her in the lecture theater before it starts
>ask for a piece of paper because you 'forgot' your notebook
>chicken out from keeping the conversation going because you're a huge bitch
>while walking out of the lecture, get gaslighter by your brain calling you a bitch
>notice her go into faculty building
>chase after her
>ambush her in elevator
>explain
>she gives you her number anyway
i always wonder how that would have turned out if someone else was in the elevator lmaooo. went on a couple dates and i'm the one that dropped it because she was a bartender at a strip club and had no plans of changing careers because it paid so well lol

>>33337910
>how bout going out with me?
show, don't tell.
w*men don't like feeling 'locked' into something, they're generally lazy (don't want to put in effort) and have a skewed thinking of what a 'needy' guy is.
so instead of asking that, after the first date ask something like 'so where do you wanna go next time?', which will show you if she's interested and keep the dates going.
after a few dates and a bit of time, you'll know yourself if she's worth pursuing further and you can ask more questions like 'so do you think we could go to the next level' or whatever. don't overburden her but at the same time don't get led on and stick to a timeframe.

>>33340436
you're reading too much into it - even with supposed great insider info.
expecting a w*man to do anything is your own mistake, and texts should only ever be about arranging dates, and outside of that you shouldn't even text and care even less about late replies.
stop leading yourself on and get to the point during a date. if you keep going on dates then lay down the question of going to the next level and move on if it's not a direct yes.

>>33340709
The idea of having a gf/wife is generally better than the reality of having one.
Having one is a responsibility. It's a 2nd job. You will have to compromise on things and have to cope with being annoyed every now and again.
But it's supposedly better than growing old alone (the idea of it, anyway).

>>33327723
most of the time if she's not free at the time you suggest AND she doesn't offer an alternative day, that's your sign she's not interested and you should move on at that point.
it's not really salvageable, you could rekindle interest if you sent the right message but you're not at that level yet. move on.

>>33341851
do it in person, faggot. using a channel of communication that's strictly for business to ask a girl out is pussy shit, especially if you've only had "short chats" with her where you haven't flirted. flirt FIRST, gauge interest, then you ask out.

>>33321333
Go for the weatherlady

>>33333333

Do not date a woman who is always nit picky and negative with you. If there is no compassion or empathy from her to you, the relationship is fucked.

>>33341940
thank you, I will do this. I never thought about it in a show dont tell way, that makes a lot of sense.

Don't reply to namefags

>>33327634
That first heartbreak is always a bitch

>>33327678
I had a situation not unlike your own as well. Turned out she was riding the cock carousel.

/thread

>>33343157
He's right. There was a kid I went to school with who wasn't at all attractive, arguably ugly, ginger little nerd. A figure of ridicule. Once we were adults he ended up hitting it big as a musician. Sell out shows and everything. Suddenly all of these women, even ones we went to school with, were talking about how much they wanted him. The couple I was still in contact with who were acting that way I just asked; what's changed about him other than he's a multimillionaire now and famous. All I got back was seethe.
No I'm not talking about Ed Sheeran, but because that's who you thought of shows that he's no different and it's a universal truth.

>>33318155
Texas Roadhouse. Waited 3 hours, too long honestly.

>>33321333
If you don't go for the fucking weather lady I'm going to legitimately be mad at you

>>33321333
Also, checked

>>33341204
retard

>girl I'm seeing was out of town with family
>texted a little bit when she was out of town
>she got back on Sunday night
>mon morning she invited me to dinner and ice cream tonight
>texted only a bit this week but also set up something for saturday
So I'm going out with her at 7 today, part of me feels that things have cooled off but I told her let's catch up tonight and talk about our independence day weekends ect. I think I'm going to be more flirty/touchy than I've been to try to get a sense of how she's feeling. And if that works get really touchy on Saturday.

>>33343594
Sounds like a plan. Remember to keep her interested and not just going through the motions.

>>33343671
>keep her interested
how?

>>33343673
You know her better than we do, anon. Take her somewhere unexpected.

>>33316655
Complete opposite for me, would trade it for anything. In person is so much easier

I've been targeting the enm chicks on the dating apps and holy fuck the stress is unbelievable but it's like I can have 4 or 5 of these girls at a time and they just keep fucking me

>>33341963
Not that anon, but why do you say this? I thought texting back and quick replies are an important sign if they're into you or not

>>33341963
>expecting a w*man to do anything is your own mistake, and texts should only ever be about arranging dates, and outside of that you shouldn't even text and care even less about late replies.
ok but I'm NTA but about 3 months into dating a girl and get the same although she does initiate dates. Am I over thinking things?

What's some advice for texting with girls you basically know nothing about? There's this girl I want to ask out I met at a party the other week, but I know nothing about her and don't even remember what we talked about. Could probably land it if I get a yes since I do pretty good in real life, but I have no idea what to write other than a straight up "wanna go out some time?". I don't just want to ask that and then have nothing to say other than planning you know.

>>33343877
what's enm mean?

>>33343178
Nice copy pasta

>>33341892
Ask their age first or tell em to guess
If you know their age just say a couple years above (max 5 above)
And if they guess something in that range just say you were close and add 1 or subtract one

>meet girl through friend
>we hang out
>we don't do anything but I make her laugh plenty
>later she tells me she's in a situationship
>she met him on tinder before meeting her most recent ex
>while with the ex she started missing the tinder guy
>when they broke up she almost immediately texted him

so this chick is a just a huge slut right? he's probably fucking her right now while I'm just texting her. how do I even proceed? she is cute and has a fat ass but I'm worried she's either using me to make her situationship guy jealous, or she wants a committed relationship but obviously the guy she's fucking won't commit.

I feel kinda cucked knowing some guy is fucking her at the end of the night while we're technically "taking it slow".

>>33346386
just try to fuck her as well so you don't feel cucked

>>33346413
well that's the problem, my typical escalation didn't really work and I get the feeling that she's gonna give me the whole "I like you too much I wanna take it slow" spiel. meanwhile she'll get dicked by situationship guy but have me taking her on dates and getting her gifts etc.

SPOILER ALERT: there is hope.
i thought i was fucked, forever alone, mostly avoided dating because of cynicism/the pressure put on myself
well, i made out with a coworker (not one i actually work with anymore, different department) after she admitted she has a crush on me. now we're texting, have gone on another date, and i think we match up well
even if it's for the short term, there is no better feeling. dare to zlatan boys.

>>33346544
looking forward to seeing you in an upcoming doomer thread when this harlot ghosts you shortly.

>>33343965
>>33344038
could be a case of personal experience bias, but texting (especially the type where it's just like speech-to-text) is a huge waste of personal time and the two girls I've texted with the most have been the ones to lead me on the most. Even with messages like 'i like you' and multiple dates, I've seen it amount to nothing, so i just dont put a lot of stock in texting.
if anything texting is the most convenient form of communication for a girl so quick replies dont necessarily mean she's bigly into you. that's why if she's initiating/agreeing to dates it means she wants to put in some effort (always a good sign), so a much better indicator.

>>33340436
>How to deal with mixed signals?

dont worry so much and focus on something else, if a girl likes you, she will be in touch, let her reach out to you.

>>33336768

>approach target
>"I like your fashion taste, x brand/color is my favorite"
>try to get socials

this is very modest, I have gotten away with worse.

if you are a true lover of women, like me, you can try one of my fav lines

"your lips are so kissable, I just had to come over, im not a freak or anything dw"

I cannot believe how much that line has worked.

dont over think it, focus on your attitude, just be light and playful always.

>>33346386
Why would she tell you all of this?

>Sent 22h ago
She have not even looked at my message asking if dinner at 4 pm was good with her
Should I just give up on this girl?
Pretty sure she is not interested in me, even though she was excited about having dinner with me earlier

>>33348579
Yeah, just forget her, anon. Not worth dwelling on it. If a woman wants you, she'll make it easy.

>>33348579
Who had dinner at 4? But if it's today it's probably not happening

>dating girl for 3 months
>like her but don't get the same energy back even though we go on dates
Should I download hinge again just to practice and see what else is out there and for the comparison?

>>33348969
No I asked if Saturday at 4 pm to meet up and go to a restaurant would be good with her
Still haven't looked at my message, so it's a complete loss I guess
Anyway, I'm done with trying to date. I just don't have the social skills and energy to do it

>>33348974
If you're never been out before then maybe give her more time. But if she ghosts totally then move on

>>33348972
What do you mean you don't get the same energy?

As in you're putting in more effort than her?

Usually for me, if I don't really like a girl but she's still attractive enough for me to have sex with, I'll usually do the bare minimum. If the girl you're dating is basically the same, she probably doesn't like you that much. If she liked you, she'd definitely be high energy towards you.

>>33348579
Women don't leave guys they're interested on delivered or read. On the rare chance, she just didn't notice your message. Chances are she is simply talking to someone she's more interested in.

I'd wait a few days, DM again and if she doesn't reply, just unfollow and move on.

>>33349093
We're both Christians so not having sex l. We go on dates and she's invited me to dates but I feel like I'm more interested and she's still "getting to know me" and being very logical about things. We had a nice date yesterday and got dinner and ice cream and walked around a nice neighborhood talking and I asked her stuff like what she wants for her dream home

>>33349120
>We're both Christians

Sorry, I don't really know how to give advice then. Usually I'm putting my penis in them by the 2nd date. I'm not really sure how you two can progress the relationship without becoming more intimate. If yall aren't having sex, then technically you two are both "still getting to know each other", so I'm not really seeing the issue.

Thankfully I'm not Christian and if I had to wait months or years to have sex with a girl I'm dating, I'd blow my brains out. I've also hooked up with many "Christian" women.

>>33349134
Thanks for replying anyway. And there are a lot of "Christians" out there but this girl is really serious about her faith also home schooled which may explain some of the slowness of the behavior. But last night's date was her suggestion and tomorrow we're seeing fireworks and I invited her to a bar beforehand. Maybe we'll be able to get closer after a cocktail and romantic fireworks.

>>33349146
I just don't really see how you can get closer without being intimate. Until you two have sex, you can only get so close. If she is waiting till marriage, then you're going to just have to put up with this until then. Hopefully you've at least seen her naked at least. I could never though.

One of my worse fears when dating someone is going on multiple dates only to find out something about their body is very unattractive. Maybe their pussy smells, maybe their tits sag, maybe she has a lot of extra skin on her pussy, has some weird scar, areolas looks like pancakes etc.

>>33349158
Gotcha, well spending time together builds intimacy. Talking about things we have in common or learning new things about each other had been fun. Shes really smart and I'm able to talk to her about our values and how they influence our future plans or political beliefs.
Would someones physical appearance be something that makes you care for them less? Even if you find the perfect woman physically she'll get old or she may have children and her body will change. I know you feel bad for me but desu I feel bad for you because you're going to be disappointed eventually if physical features are the only thing you're valuing in a relationship

>>33349172
Totally understand getting to know someone can build intimacy but you won't really know until you've had sex in my opinion.

Physical features isn't something I only value. It's something that if they have and I don't like it's not going to work out. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be with a woman who has a naturally smell vagina. I'm not going to want to be intimate with her.

I don't need them to be perfect, just average or better. Some things I can look past and some I can't. I've slept with a woman with a really smell pussy once and it was awful, her smell remained in the room for hours after she left. Very clean girl by the way. We met up again 6 months later and gave it another go because maybe it was just a weird part of her cycle. Nope, stench was still there.

I'd just rather find these things out sooner than later.

>>33349199
Tbh she probably had a smelly pussy from being creampied by guys and not cleaning up. Ironic isn't it?
Or diet

I finally unfollowed my ex, I feel kinda empty inside, feels like a lost a ton of time on her for nothing.
How do I even get to begin to feel love for women again?

i want a girl with huge feet so badly

>>33316138 (OP)
I'm 25 and have never had a girlfriend. I've only had sex twice. The reason is that I used to weigh 300 pounds and only recently got attractive. I've been getting lots of attention from women and have a few that want to date me. When sexual history shit comes up should I just be honest about my inexperience? I feel like the fact that I used to be fat as fuck is a legit excuse.

Here is what I learned

in contexts of fear, anxiety, and stress, sexual desire can increase, especially among women. Stress hormones also activate pleasure centers in the brain. Thus, anxiety can generate attachment and attraction, even in negative situations. If you provoke fear or uncertainty in a woman, you can "capture" her emotional and sexual attention, as she becomes chemically dependent on the sensations associated with stress.

A man's perceived value increases when he is less emotionally and physically available. Scarce men are seen as more desirable, as human nature values what is rare and fears loss. If you provoke emotional confusion through emotional withdrawal and ambiguity, you can increase a woman's attraction, causing her to work harder to win you over. Playing "hard to get" and prioritizing freedom over commitment is a strategy for appearing valuable and desirable.

>>33316138 (OP)
Every time I ask a girl to fuck her in the ass they always say no. They will let me fuck them raw no condom first time but heaven forbid I stick it up the poopshoot once. Starting to get fed up with this bs.

>>33350717
Yes be honest just don't be insecure about it is the important thing. Women prefer a guy that doesn't sleep around nowadays anyways and also who talks about that on a first date lol.
>>33349414
I think you shouldn't look to love, date casually with no expectations other than trying to have a good time and meet new people. When the time or girl is right you will know.

>match with two girls today
>one messages me right away saying I look like a little angel but she only swiped right to tell me that because she's afraid of actually meeting people
>the other one is a hardcore leftie explaining merits of antinatalism and suicide as I'm typing this
Well shit

>>33316138 (OP)
I can't get a girlfriend and im a 23 year old male who goes to college. When I cold approach at places like the gym I can handle a conversation just fine but the girl acts so fucking timid and obviously wants me to fuck off so I never end up getting her number. Dating apps don't work. What do I do?

>>33353522
Go convince the shy one to get some coffee or some sandwiches for lunch if she's cute and you're looking for more than just a quick fuck.

>bored and about to jump off dating apps for the final time since they don't work for me anyway
>use up my compliments on bumble to just send android predictive text gibberish to chicks
>get a match/reply back from it
kek. nothing genuine i ever sent had traction but fucking gibberish did.

Bros, we held hands and it felt so good.

>>33353528
start going to bars and clubs

>>33353522
Come on, son

>messages me right away saying I look like a little angel but she only swiped right to tell me that
She is a woman. She is hitting on you hard in feminine way. You are the testosterone risk taker and leader, not her. Maybe she is fucked in the head, but probably she is low body count cutie freshly out of relationship. You should explore her

>because she's afraid of actually meeting people
Thats very good. She is already opening up her fears. Be patient, calm, warm but not chasy. Be inviting certain leader, and you can mold her into whatever suits you relationship wise and sexually

Dont fix her, dont walk on egg shells with her — lead her by invitations to follow you, like a dad she never had would

I would message her something like 'I feel your hesitance, you are not alone with it, Ive been there long before. However here you are talking bravely to an angel, and this is just the door. Follow me in my (message app), I will be gentle'

This is against all the game, all the relationship rules, power plays and hypergamy, but this is what bypasses their defenses past the sexuality, overthinking, doubt and touches little girl inside starved for real presence in the world of simps, red pill autists and fuckboys

Be careful tho, sometimes it creates over attachment out of irreplaceable rarity and can add stalkers in your life

>be me, 22m, awkward kissless virgin, no gf ever
>mom thinks her coworker (22f) and I would be a good match
>gives her my number
>she's actually cute, we agree to meet for ice cream
>date goes surprisingly well, talk about my trip to Japan
>I pay for the ice cream like a gentleman
>at the end, she initiates a hug
>my_brain.exe has stopped working
>I hug back, gently pat her on the back
>tell her she has beautiful eyes, she smiles and says thanks
>we start texting, I suggest a second date
>she immediately says yes to a picnic
>she's bringing a new picnic blanket she just bought
>I'm baking portuguese tarts (pastel de nata) for it
>my mom told me the girl said she had a really nice time
>her friend even joked to my mom "what did you do this time?"
>I feel like I'm on the verge of making it but my social autism is making me doubt everything
>Does she actually like me or am I misreading everything?
>How do I escalate during the picnic without fucking it up, /htgwg/?

>>33356390
did unironically you've got it. just be urself she seems down and making cookies for the picnic sounds like a sweet gesture.
I hope you treat your mom well for this setup, that's awesome of her

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