Thread 33486844

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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repost because old thread ded
>be me, 22m
>literal robot. work, go home, play vidya, sleep, repeat.
>KV, never had a gf. not ugly, just crippling social autism.
>mom is a nurse, sets me up with her colleague.
>also 22f. qt.
>get her number, she actually agrees to meet.
>holy-shit-its-happening.gif
>first date is coffee. I talk a lot about Japan. She initiates a hug at the end. good sign.
>second date is a picnic. I bake for her.
>we both admit we're virgins and have never been in a relationship.
>mom's friend says this girl has a crush on me but is "mega shy".
>problem is, I'm the one initiating and planning EVERYTHING. It's fucking draining.
>this is where the major fumble happens.
>her: "aren't you afraid you're missing out on life?"
>me, trying to sound deep: "you have to love yourself before you can love others. but I'm definitely open to a relationship."
>her, looking right at me: "with me, or in general?"
>my brain fucking short-circuits. the perfect softball question.
>me: "in general."
>I can still feel the cringe in my bones. I want to die.
>anyway, third date is tomorrow. just dinner.
>she cancelled the original plan (minigolf + dinner) because she's "tired". she was pulling all nighters at the hospital the past few days...
>feels like the interest is fading because I'm not making a move and she's too shy to.

My plan: after dinner, when we're walking back to our cars, I'm just going to non-verbally offer her my hand. No words. Just hold my hand out and see what she does. Is this a solid move, or is this peak-level autism that will make her run for the hills?

What do, anons? Is this a good plan? Do I abort mission and just go back to my comfy life of gaming? I'm so tired of this shit.

reposting for more thoughts from anons

how do you deal with being in a talking phase with a girl knowing she has current fwb? she has told me a bit about him, he's older and they met on tinder. they've been seeing each other a few months.
we hung out the other day and basically confessed to each other that we're both interested in something, but have some limiting life circumstances that are keeping us from being together fully.

so we're texting and stuff, whatever. but yesterday I asked what her plans were and she refused to tell me. her awkwardness around the questions (I did just some light probing) made me conclude that she's going to see her fwb, and obviously she doesn't want to tell me that.

I know we're not together, we're far from official, and she's not my property or anything but I can't stop it from bothering me, knowing she's getting fucked and kicked out while I'm doing boyfriend shit like taking her out (though she bought me dinner a couple weeks ago).
the thing is she said she's interested in more with me but like I said we can't really be together right now so we agreed to just keep it casual and see what happens in the next few months.

When we were hanging out the other day she brought up sexual stuff first by asking my body count, if I'm a player etc. she also appeared to want to kiss me but I didn't go for it.
so far I've concluded I should just try and fuck her (we're supposed to hang out tuesday) and if she's not up for it then I'll just cut her off.

>>33486880
>dating a nurse
anon is about to learn a painful lesson

>>33486880
She's a nurse bro, she's gonna be busy as HELL. You're just gonna have to invade (but not too often) her personal time suddenly when either you know she has free time or when she drops that she isn't working. But you're going to have to make a good impression at this dinner or ASAP or else she won't WANT to give you any of her free time. Put yourself in her shoes. Do you want to hang out with someone in your very very little spare time if there isn't a really good connection? Not to put too much pressure on you but if you're worried about interest waning then this seems the logical train of thought. Ofc, it could be just you misinterpreting genuine tiredness and inability to do fuck else because her work is consuming, and your current pace is perfectly fine and you're just gonna have to be okay with getting very little of her time for a while. Ask your mom's friend for feedback as you go I guess.

>>33486925
>It's easy to tell when a girl is interested
This whole thread general disproves this. If it was nobody would be asking advice on woman.
>>33486868
Be honest about your feelings with her and about you being dumb trying to sound deep. Also ask if she is interested in going to the date this midweek and plan it again. If she does not accept, it might be time to tell her that if she is not interested you will be moving on from her. Do not give her power over you, you need to put power above her and make her work for you.

>>33486880
>>33486948
I would be very cautious when it comes to dating a nurse, even my nurse friends agree. Lot of reasons but one of the big ones is that it can get pretty traumatic, and then they're spending hours with male doctors and surgeons who they get really close with and trauma bond with. And then on top of it they have crazy schedules and on-call stuff. If they decided to cheat on you, you would never find out unless one of the other nurses told you.

There's a reason nurses have such a bad reputation. Just be careful.

>>33486844 (OP)
A coworker awkwardly confessed their crush on me earlier this week.
I agreed to take her out on one date because I feel bad for her.
>she lost her mom recently
>her sister’s in the hospital
>her boyfriend was off and on with her.
>and she’s just genuinely insecure
The problem is
>I never saw her this way
>I’m applying to be her supervisor
>And I’m not sure if I can really bring this drama in my life.

I feel like I’m just a volcel if I turn her down.
Like what, do I expect the perfect woman with no baggage and forward facing eyes to fall head over heels for me tomorrow?
Of course I don’t. Maybe this is ms “good enough” or ms “what I can pull” idk.
Is my brain just broken by porn to want a different face? Idk maybe.
But is there a point trying to be attracted or is this a cruelty? What if I can’t and anything I do get is unsatisfying? What if I just hurt her more by trying to be attracted to her?

And while I’m conflicted, I feel like I’m just stringing her along in the name of being kind. Is that even kind at all? Idk.

>>33487258
If you really are trying to apply to be her supervisor, you should cut it off before things get even messier. Whatever your reasons are, you can't avoid at this point things being messy. If you want to be kind, minimize the pain for the both of you.

>>33487258
If you're not physically attracted to and you're not attracted to her personality, tell her fuck off. Why waste anyone's time? Use your "i'm gonna be your boss" get out of jail free card as a half-excuse but don't bury the other half that you're not interested.

>>33487289
I think she’s just not use to people treating her nice. Like, maybe she just needs a friend right now and thinks she can capitalize on me by being in a relationship.

Either way, i want to tell her in person. She deserves some amount of fair treatment.

When does one settle down?

>>33487368
Never. Fuck that noise.

I missed out on young love
so now im 32 years old and ive never felt love

however, im terrified by it
right now, i have a chance with a girl, however im TERRIFIED i dont know why man
its like im opening a door inside of me that ive never opened before and that i should have opened way before
what the fuck do i do
i want to instinctively sabotage it
this is fearful avoidant attachment, right?
i fear that im not gonna love her as much as i want to, or that i will get tired of her, or that it will change my life too much, or that it will force me to "grow up" in a more serious relationship when i didnt really want to but at the same time i wanted to
i dont understand myself

>>33487644
>what the fuck do i do
you gotta lean into that shit. like a superstar basketball player going for the game winning shot you gotta envision hitting nothing but net, pulling up, and letting the ball go.

>>33487368
i still haven't settled down. i'd like to be less alone but then again, my life is full of possibilities

>>33487697
you mean just go for it? like, be afraid but jsut go anyway?
do you think it will fix itself?

>>33487644
just fuck her. that's your job. all that love, relationship stuff is her job to secure if she wants it. in many cases she won't so you're getting worked up about nothing.

>checking out a coworker that works at another department
>hot but not much I can do
>suddenly asked to change departments for the same department as her
>we start talking
>friendly chats with nice vibes
>32 single mother not perfect but I'm not looking for anything serious
>after I comment that I'm not interested in becoming a father anytime soon because I don't like babies she says
>"I wouldn't date a guy that doesn't like babies!"
>"You're such a rebel, I hope my son doesn't turn out like you."
>despite this we still have vibes when we're chatting
Should I reverse psychoanalyze this shit bros? I didn't even mention dating yet or anything of the sort with her she had that on her mind.

No way in hell she knew I had a passing interest since I didn't even comment that with anyone. She gossips a lot so she probably was already aware who I was before we actually met. I'm frequently teased by my other coworkers because of my looks so words might have been passed around. Recently I was told to be wary around our boss because she divorced and is now on the prowl.

Hey bros,

There’s this girl I’m interested in, but I don’t have much direct contact with her — we don’t hang out in the same group, barely cross paths, and I’ve got no natural excuse to talk to her.

I do have a female friend who knows her, though.
Is it a good idea to ask my friend to help me slide in? If so, how do I go about it without coming off weird, needy, or making my friend feel awkward?

Alternatively, what are some ways to invite a girl out when you’ve got no real reason to interact with her?

>>33486943
>talking phase with a girl knowing she has current fwb
KEK

You will have my time, children

>>33488841
You are following female dating strategies out of fear and this will backfire on you

You want her, right? Its that simple. Do you imagine a man doing you are doing? Be direct, be bold, be decisive. You have wants, you have intentions. Let her know

*Something about you intrigue me, something special. I will be direct and honest in what I want. I want you to join one of my evenings for a drink, what is your availability next week?*

Even if thr reply is weak or absent, you will be in her mind for a while, because everybody is to scared to be a decisive gentleman these days

>>33487644
Tell everything to your chatgpt, invite it to ask you crucial questions about childhood and first love, ask your ai for daily small steps like affirmations, practices and steps to follow in your relationship. It will be egoless therapy that you need, and for free

>agreed to take her out on one date because I feel bad for her
You may feel like helping her, but you are just following your fear of saying no. Be brutal but gentle, tell her politely that you are not excited and let her find someone else

You are priming her up into heartbreak right now by your current actions

>>33489075
Cont

>>33488599
What do you need to be advised on? Feels like you just want fuckbuddies without consequences, so you are open to divorcees, single moms and such. If you want fwb, what is there to psychoanalyze. Hit on them, fuck who responds, be open about your intentions to reduce drama

>>33487368
You can never settle down. Dating a woman is shittest, romance, dates and such for life. If you mean 'being commited to one woman' you still need to maintain an edge to keep her interested, unless you want to be cheated on and divorced. So the answer is also never

>>33486943
She doesnt desire you, you are not a priority and never will. You have huge knowledge gap, untill you bridge it you wont be happy

Ditch that woman and educate yourself on dating, sexual polarity and female psychology

>>33486880
Dont date nurses, flight attendants, barmaids, military, police and constant work tripping people. You will thank me later

How do I get over the idea that I fumbled things with a a girl I consider near-perfect but wasn't emotional/romantically into me?

>>33488841
>find out thing she likes
>ask her to participate in thing with you

>>33489286
By moving forward into the future instead of being stuck in the past

Everything is a skill, skills are sharpen by failing

You didnt fumble, you risked, lost and now you dont have to lose the same way ever again

>>33489373
thanks

What kinds of places should I look for cute women that would be more open to a deeper romantic relationship instead of the “we’re probably both dating 9 different people at once so whatever” type of woman. For context I’m balls deep into getting my sever anxiety and depression treated (metastasized into a panic disorder and agoraphobia) and I think it’s going well but that left me not too familiar with just where what types of girls open to relationships like I’m looking for congregate, I’m also in my early thirties and in the Ohio, US region.

>>33489413
That's not location dependent, that's woman dependent. You meet women, figure out if they're open to a deeper relationship, then decide.

The crushing reality is that the kinds of girls are not worth dating
The brutalist reality however is that once you find one (especially after 28-30) you realize they're way too picky/used to being single/too into their girlfriends and content to be with you.

>>33489429
I’m going to have to disagree, I think there has to be some kinds of places where you can more readily find that as opposed to the regular “this person could vanish off the face of the earth and I’d feel not a single thing for them” relationship. You can find unlimited women like that at any number of local dive bars, clubs, music venues, coffee shops they’re right there ready to add you to their dong Oort Cloud just like they expect you to be adding them to your belt of thots. Where are the cute girls man.

Picked up a pretty blonde blue eyed American sorority girl from a hostel. Not really my type, too normie, was into books a bit but meh. She walked super far away from me as we explored the city, barely got close enough for me to even consider building up touch with her. I'm still getting over my ex, despite this girl being objectively pretty, my ex was beautiful and wasn't caked in makeup.
I didn't even try to get close/kiss at the end, just said bye, she said she'd like to see me around but honestly idgaf. Don't want to waste my time. Kind of just want a quick fuck to forget about the ex. The date helped a little but I compared her the whole time and was disgusted. what should I do when I run into her tomorrow at the hostel? I usually take girls to a nearby park to kiss. I figure if she's down to go out again why not

How do I make female friends?

>>33489661
I didn't really flirt with her, eye contact sucked, she kept looking off. There was a girl I spoke to before her who was obviously attracted to me, complimented my hair, pointed herself directly at me despite being in a conversation with another guy before I butted in. Prolonged eye contact . This girl didn't do any of that. Shes a waitress at some high end lounge

>>33489666
literally just talk to women. not about anime or Nazis or serial killers unless they bring it up

>>33489468
Just avoid clubs and bars. That's all I'll say.

>>33489468

I will say what no one wants to say. You are either good looking and remarkably sheltered from the downsides of a man's life, or lying. Women are not easy to get because they are the choosers and they are picky, and your main problem in finding a relationship is not going to be whether she is good enough, nor can most men get "unlimited" women of any kind anywhere.

Based on the amount of people saying shit like this, I believe most are lying. I am tired of everyone pretending to be a chad on 4chan. But in case you are an actual chad, just wanted to let you know, most men don't have it this easy.

>>33489894
You can't even point out the obvious in case people will think you don't get women yourself. That's pathetic.

How do I ask a girl that I THINK is interested in me for her number? Do I just blatantly ask for it? I'm not going to see her again after Wednesday. Also should I ask for it today tomorrow Wednesday? This is a coworker btw

>>33489938

If you have to try, it's over.

>>33489933
>>33489933
If you want to throw your hotdog down a hallway the only thing stopping you is your social anxiety making YOU not want to hit a dive or concert but like
>>33489894
Said, I’m not dumb and know you find what you go looking for, go to a bar you find a bar thot. I want to go looking for something else but don’t know where that thing could be obtained and logically figure that if there are places where women I don’t want go then there must be a type of place that attracts the kind of women I’m interested in and might not be a bad place to hang out in general and make friends

>>33489946
So she should be the one asking me out?

Has anyone has any luck going back to community college in their 30s and gotten 18 to 25 years old pussy? Any tips?

>>33489933
I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

>>33489971
Start with your interests and hobbies.

>>33490037
It should be easier regardless of college or not.

>make a pass at one girl
>she responds 'yeah okay' rolls her eyes and turns away
>integrate with her tribe an hour later
>she gets flirty as fuck with me

There's something here...

>>33490058
>It should be easier regardless of college or not.
What does that mean?
I'm still a scrawny fuck i just have my own car and money now. And give less of a fuck.

>>33489286
Loose the zoomer faggotry about “fumbling” that’s gay as fuck

Anyways you must be 16 or something if you think any woman is “perfect” or at all close to it. Come back in a few years once your balls drop

>>33489971
>If you want to throw your hotdog down a hallway the only thing stopping you is your social anxiety making YOU not want to hit a dive or concert but like

Sure, because women will be all over me if I just show up to a concern, right?

I'm not even talking about myself. I can see that other guys are desperate too. Which makes this "everyone is a chad" delusion pathetic.

>>33489982
No but would make it so obvious and easy that you wouldn't be asking this.

>>33490058
>I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
It's a mistery. Most guys are rejecting women all the time. What could I be talking about? What world do I live in where there are guys who have a hard time with dating? It's baffling.

>>33490229
At your age it should be easier. If you're skinny, change your physique.

>>33490320
No one was talking about guys rejecting women. Are you autistic? Maybe if you stopped reading make believe things that weren't said you'd get attention from women.

Got a match with someone on hinge, opened giving a compliment and she responded with an "awwww"
I don't really know how to respond.Where do I go from here?

>>33490472
Move on to asking questions, what she's interested in doing, asking for a date, etc.

>>33490430
Im working on changing my physique. But why is it easier to fuck community college girls as a 30 year old? Won't they think I'm a fuckin loser for still being there?

>>33490472
delete app and commit sudoku

no haha that was a joke, but really, those apps suck.
you're better off meeting someone IRL. My hinge experience was about 10 bots, 2 real women one of which I took to whatsapp, chatted over a couple weeks, had an hour long voice call with her even, but she was a depressed piece of shit the whole time so I stopped pursuing so much and it died down. Second one just.. again, same shit - It's not that she's not interested, we have a good conversation, but I'm the only one initiating and it feels so fucking shameful when you do it 3, 4, 5 times, then the next day, fuck that shit.
this is over a total time of 10 months being on the app. 10 fucking months.

fuck these stupid ass piece of shit gay ass apps and if anyone tells you Its working for them they are either lying or they are fit good looking people with a job, but even then don't believe the ones who say they match often

I'm doing Bachata and singing in a choir now, my chances of meeting women are more than 0, and I don't have to bow down to these apps which absolutely crush my confidence. And waste my time. Fuck that shit.

>>33490578
Hmm maybe. I know for a fact some won't care though. You gotta try.

>>33490430

Yes I am autistic, what's your superpower? I just realized that you're right, you actually didn't say guys are rejecting women, my bad. I don't know how I missed that.

Kek.

You are so fucking stupid. You didn't say guys are rejecting women, but you talk like we have it easy, like women are abundant and low value but guys are concerned about finding one who is good enough. That is not how it works out there.

Also

>>33490430
>Maybe if you stopped reading make believe things that weren't said you'd get attention from women.

>Just don't read make believe things that weren't said bro!

I'm sure that would work for a 5' balding indian janitor

>>33490037
You're too old for that life. Your new purpose in college is to get a job.

>>33490037

I’m a professional dating coach who’s spent over a decade helping men from every walk of life go from invisible to absolutely killing it with women. I’ve coached shy 18-year-olds, divorced 40-year-olds, and everything in between, and one thing I’ve learned is that younger women respond far more to how you carry yourself than the number on your ID. When you show up at community college with your own ride, your own cash, and a vibe that says you’ve lived life, you’re already ahead of most of the guys in the room.

The move is simple: build sexual tension fast. Within the first fifteen minutes, plant the seed that hooking up is on the table. Do it with relaxed eye contact, a slight smirk, and zero apology. The guys who win don’t hide their intent, and they don’t chase validation. They project that they genuinely don’t care if she says yes or no, and that outcome independence is what flips the attraction switch every time.

David Buss’s research in The Evolution of Desire backs this up: women consistently rate confidence and emotional control as more attractive than youth alone.

>>33490750
Shut the fuck up and use some deodorant.

Dated this Korean girl back in 2023 into 2024, it was toxic and it was on and off for like 6 months. She eventually blocked me on IG. In May she unblocked asking me when was the last time I got checked for STDs. I asked why and she said her boyfriend got chlamydia. I was the last guy to have sex with her which was about 5 months prior at this point. Her boyfriend was blaming her for the STD. She got checked a few days later and was clean. I told her that her new BF was cheating on her but she didn't believe that. We chatted for a few days then blocked me.


Noticed a few months later she unblocked me again, so we chatted and eventually she goes on about how she moved on etc. Then I suggested we could be friends, which she said we could. We chatted for a bit and then she blocked me again. Reached out months later via text to her earlier this year when the fires were happening in LA to make sure she was okay. She said she was okay and to stop messaging her so I said sure.

A month later she unblocks me on IG to call me, which she complained about how she hasn't seen her long distance boyfriend in almost a year and has actively stopped him from visiting her and hasn't visited him because she's scared she doesn't actually like him as much as he does her. Then blocked me a few days later.

Noticed she unblocked me a few months later, I reached out asking if she was back in X city and she blocked me again.

Just noticed a few days ago she unblocked me once again so I asked her if she was back in X city.
Goes on about how I "Keep coming into her life, demanding things from her and not respecting that she has a boyfriend". I literally just asked her if she was back in X and wanted to call. Exchanged a few messages, her saying "goodbye" for the 100th time and blocked me.

At this point I'm basically just trolling her but why unblock me if you don't want me messaging you? Seems kind of counterproductive. She could literally just leave me blocked and live her life.

>>33491438

>Just use deodorant bro!

Oh so deodorant is the secret? That's why some guys are loved by all women while others are chumps who keep getting rejected? Do the attractive ones just use a lot of deodorant, and just so happen to be tall and have an attractive face?

I'm 28 years old. Never had any experience with women. Not even a hug. Health reasons forced me to stay cooped up in my room for the last 12 years. No joke.

Anyway when talking to some female coworkers they said I was some sort of playboy. This happened 3 times now with 3 different coworkers. 2 of them were only 20 and frankly quite stupid. One of them was a older though at 32. Good head on her shoulders I often find myself agreeing with her takes.

What the fuck is going on? How am I emanating this sex haver energy? Should I drop my carrer to pursue acting? Or maybe go into politics.

>>33490304
lol I'm 31 on saturday. I just think I found a girl that was awesome that I saw a lot of amazing qualities in.

But this is my longest serious adult relationship and it was only 3 months. How do I get better at this? I need to take a couple of months off to work on my fittness/insecurities/faith walk

>>33490320
>No but would make it so obvious and easy that you wouldn't be asking this.
what

>>33491528
It's your attitude that repels women. Go do the work to improve yourself or shut the fuck up.

>>33491693
>Should I drop my carrer to pursue acting? Or maybe go into politics.
No

>>33491936

>just don't say things other people didn't say bro
>just use deodorant bro
>just have a better attitude bro

I am sure these are the main things that make a few men stand out so that all women are into them, and the rest are frustrated chumps. 100%

Ain't nothing wrong thinking you are better than everyone, but just actually through grit prove it not sit on your couch playing Call of Duty Black Ops 6 all day. The moment you yell at your girl to get you a Mountain Dew during this is the moment you fucked up my advice. If you are however sweating like a mofo doing hard work, that follows my advice.

I'm in my late 30s, haven't been on a date in over 5 years, haven't used a dating site/app in probably 15 years. Any recommendations for guides or anything for someone like me to get started? I have no good pics, nothing interesting to write about myself, and terrible social skills these days, so yeah I know it's gonna be bleak.

>>33490894
Thanks anon. That helps.

>>33490775
I already had a job. I can get another one whenever I want. I'm doing this to keep my parents off my back while I recover from the burnout of years of wagecucking.

Advice on getting a human zoophile gf? I'd like to have children some day.

You're here working hard on presenting your best self and making an impression and working, while she gives it up to some random dumbass he met that night.

>>33492333
your looks will carry you (or sink you). take good pics and videos of yourself, get all the major dating apps, make profiles write something funny in the bio like one sentence and then just swipe on the girls you like (not on everybody). then if you start getting decent matches you can worry about what to say. if not, then you're gonna have to be meeting girls irl.

>>33492375
I get I'm like some faggot dork to you, but come on 35 and going to college to pick up chicks? That's something a fratboy would do at 21. Like if you missed out, you missed out. Now what you got in college to support you is the education, EVEN IF IT IS GAY AF TO YOU. You'll get a middle class lifestyle and soon you'll get a career. Much better than a 1 night stand with someone.

>Be me M24
>Match with girl F23 on Bumble
>She’s a 5’2 bodybuilder with 42 tattoos
>Try planning a walk in the park as first date.
>We meet at my place and she asks to see my apartment.
>She walks in and takes a seat in the living room like she lives there.
>Immediately starts talking about how she doesn’t think she’s my type (I’ve dated several bodybuilders previously).
>Starts showing off her tattoos.
>Tajes her clothes off to show me the tat’s on her legs.
>Finishes showing me her tattoos but stays in her underwear.
>Complains about being hungry
>Make her dinner because I’ve given up on going to the park at this point.
>She stays the night
>We go on several more dates and stays the night after each.
>One night I’m going out with friends and ask her to join us while I’m drunk.
>She arrives and I immediately regret it.
>Immediately starts saying negative things about herself.
>Barely says two sentences to anyone else.
>Sits away from the group and scrolls through Hinge in her phone half the night.
>Break things off with her the next day.

Anons, why are the hot ones always crazy?

Did I do this right? This is my first time posting.

>>33492570
Did you have sex?

>>33492570
Oh boy, I am going to enjoy this spanish shame feeling. You will have my time

>bodybuilder with 42 tattoos
She hates herself. Also addicted to pain (sore muscles after workouts + needles). Either sexually abused, or father left emotionally when she was young

>she asks to see my apartment
And its not you, since you are inexperienced. She is habitually doing one night stands. Use condoms. Also many things like hpv or molluscum doesnt get prevented by condoms

>like she lives there
Yeah, she did this kind of instant hookups many times before

>starts talking about how she doesn’t think she’s my type
Daddy left, means she is worthless

>Takes her clothes off to show me the tat’s on her legs
Thats not healthy sexuality, thats childhood trauma

>Complains about being hungry
Okay, I know you all are reading this, even without posting in this thread. Pay attention children. Women are hungry physically when they are hungry emotionally. Its somatic loop. She felt rejected because this guy didnt escalate physically after her presenting her body. She didnt know he was just scared to take her. She felt unwanted, her body resonated with hunger

>Immediately starts saying negative things about herself
Daddy issues does that

>Did I do this right?
Yes, you let her go. Women like that are undatable. They are literally bleeding from childhood trauma. Imagine if relationship is a team hike. And your teammate has a an open stan wound in the gut. No amount of you acting, talking or thinking will stop them losing blood. They have to stop hiking and go to hospital themselves

>>33492760
>She felt rejected because this guy didnt escalate physically after her presenting her body

Or not scared but unexcited, its not easy to tell from original post. I assume you had intimacy several times afterwards

How do I meet women who read? I can tell you first hand that talking to women at the public library doesn't work.

>>33487368
when you start receiving texts like this
>>33490472
>>33490599
met her on hinge btw but I'm gonna be very honest with you and straight up say God has blessed me so your experience may vary

>>33492479
>You'll get a middle class lifestyle and soon you'll get a career
Lmao what's the minimum salary for a "career" nowadays? Cause honestly unless it's 6 figures it ain't gonna make it where I live and it's not even that expensive here.

>>33489938
>I'm not going to see her again after Wednesday.
Why? Anyways, ask her for a coffee or whatever as a last farewell and if it goes well ask for her number to stay in touch.

>>33492792
the library or book shops are your only options tbf, specially during summer, but you probably need to spend thousands of hours there
I met this one girl playing wow and never in my life did I find someone who reads as much as her
that was pure luck and very rare

I'm seriously considering paying a lot of money to a 'seduction' influencer for coaching. Talk me out of it. I'm 27, seriously depressed and on a 6 year dry spell. I've tried a lot of things over the last 2-3 years, including but not limited to:
>2 years of therapy, with 3 different therapists. Probably spent like $15-20k total on therapy at this point.
>A bunch of different anti-depressants; Lexapro, Zoloft and Welbutrin. Also experimented with Phenibut on my own.
>Working out, cardio 2x/week, strength 1-2x/week. Joined a boxing gym, tried a local run club.
>Attending church. I was raised religious but don't believe anymore, but a therapist suggested that I try it for the community
>Improv comedy classes. Someone suggested this was a way to put myself out there.
>Travel; both domestic and international.
>Volunteering; My local wetlands ecology center does wildlife cleanup stuff once a month.
>A few other hobbies that I didn't stick with (chess, surfing, ice hockey), the usual self improvement stuff (hair, clothes, etc), social skills classes, going to concerts and bars alone, trying to "find meaning" in my career, etc.
At this point, I think I've tried everything I'm supposed to do. All of the common recommendations don't seem to be working for me, for fixing my depression, for giving my life a sense of purpose and for getting laid. I know this guy is probably a grifter and too good to be true, but he promises everything I want out of life and nobody else has been able to give me that. If it doesn't work, well then that puts him in the same camp as 3 licensed professionals. I'm just tired of being a fucking loser and having people give me advice on how to cope instead of walking me through how to change myself to get what I want.

>>33493481
Lol don't pay for anything with classes or seduction or courses, they're a scam. Drop me your Discord, I'll try to help you for free.

>>33492570
It is what it is. Refer to the crazy hot matrix.

>>33493481
Honestly anon it depends on how much this 'coaching' costs. If it doesn't cost too much then you will probably benefit at least a bit from it either way, so may as well try it if you really want.

But as for that wall of greentext: that looks like a fucking lot. Are you really doing all that stuff? Do you have a job? I wish I had the energy to fit that much stuff into my schedule. And are you doing all of that for the sole person of getting a gf? Becuase if so, then you are probably coming across as quite desperate and not getting the full benefit out of all that socialising time you could be getting if you're just after girls.

And the actual most important question: have you ever actually asked a girl out?

>>33492570
Did you have sex with her anon?

>>33493481
Come to Bali during the next month, I will guide you where you want to finally arrive, for 1/10 of the money you spent on therapy and pills you dont need. You can pay me afterwards when you feel the difference. And seduction influencer is not what you need, you are not aligned with yourself yet, no amount of glitter or stardust on top of it will make you happy.

>>33493481
>Talk me out of it. I'm 27, seriously depressed and on a 6 year dry spell.

Oh boo hoo, 6 years, try a lifetime dry spell. And you still have money to throw away on some bullshit grifter to feed you empty platitudes.

>>33492578
>>33493609
stupid coomers.

>>33493893
This is an honet question. She was clearly just itching for sex. If this retard just slept next to her on a bed and kept hanging out with her, then know wonder should moved the fuck on. Even if this anon was looking for something more serious, if he failed to pick up on these signs and escalate, and behave as a sexual being, then this is going to be a big problem for his dating life.

>>33493901
Are you dating someone right now? I already know the answer

>>33493906
I got the feeling this girl I'm sleeping with is trying to steer it that way. Maybe it's time to break it off.

>>33493605
Yes, I do all this stuff. Yes, I have a job (I'm posting from work rn). Not entirely to get a GF, no. I wanted to build a social circle too, but it never really happened. I got some sparring buddies from my boxing gym who I never see outside of the gym, a few married couples my age I met from a church bible study, and a few older people I met from volunteering. Not exactly the social life I pictured for myself.

And no, I haven't asked a girl out since college. The only contexts where I interact with single women my age are either through dating apps, where I don't get a ton of matches to begin with and can't close on the few I do get, or at bars/concerts, where we make small talk but it never goes anywhere.

>>33493571
Sure, made one. Discord is Nalthisian. Might be slow to respond since I'm at work.

>>33493711
I've got some other travel booked next month, but I might take you up on that offer someday.

>>33493813
Making money is easy anon. I sympathize with the lifelong dry spell, I'd probably be there if I hadn't gotten lucky in college.

>>33494249
>a few married couples my age I met from a church bible study
Don't underestimate the importance of female friends anon. They give amazing social proof, and they might have single female friends.

What do you think your main problem is? You say you haven't asked any girls out, which is an obvious hurdle.

And no one has the picturesque social life they envisioned, the fact you interact with anyone outside of direct family puts you a lot further than most.

>>33494300
>What do you think your main problem is?
A lack of single women around me who aren't religious. An inability to make friends with people.

>no one has the picturesque social life they envisioned
I'd believe this if my brother wasn't a finance bro and social butterfly.

>>33493481
>paying a lot of money to a 'seduction' influencer for coaching
>he didn't read any books
at least read the books I've already recommended here that worked for me, No More Mr Nice Guy, Models, Art of Seduction, The Manual: What Women Want, Atomic Attraction, The Female Brain, Why Women Have Sex, The Manipulated Man

>>33493893
Turd world broke zoom zooms. That was a very legitimate question.

What’s up anons. I have a question that might be a bit unusual. I haven’t had a girlfriend since I was in college and I graduated 6 years ago, but I have gone on a lot of dates and had a few flings and hookups since then, primarily in the last 3 years. However, I do wish I was in a committed relationship but I’ve found that really difficult. I do ok on dating apps, when I do get matches I’ll get a lot at once, and then a month or two will go by where I don’t get any. In general I’ve found dating apps to be unfulfilling even if I’ve gone on a lot of dates.

I’ve gone on dates with gorgeous women who tell me to my face that I’m handsome and really funny and they want to see me again, and often I’ll make out with them and sometimes fuck but even after that they’ll either ghost or hit me with the usual “you’re really sweet but…” message. I was seeing one girl earlier this year for a month and it seemed to be going well but then she ghosted, and I was seeing another for two months after that but she then told me I wasn’t what she was looking for. Outside of those two I’ve gone on about 25 dates since last year and I usually don’t end up liking the girl in person so it’s exhausting to meet people and not like them, and I’ve had enough casual sex to know that I’m not interested in it anymore.

Have people gotten this much more skiddish about committing or am I just not as attractive as people tell me? I feel like if I was doing something very wrong I wouldn’t be getting as far as I have, so I’m hoping I can get some insight here.

>efoid that seemingly is a tiny bit obsessed with me ever since she saw my face (i feel like this is important)
>will say I sound cute, spend a long time talking with me online, overshare, send sweet messages at night sometimes

but she also says that the thought of dating men my age is "disgusting" when the topic comes up (it was however never directed at *me* specifically when she said that)

I've previously had a foid fall for me that always said I'd be not tall enough for her to be attracted to me, so I kinda have to assume that what women say is not always 100% what they mean. Any input from the experts here? We're going to see each other (not as a date) soon but I really feel like I get mixed signals here and don't want to completely embarass myself making a move

>>33494631
Meet her, see how she acts in person. If she's receptive, move things further. If not, stop seeing her.

>>33494900
You're very right. The only problem is that we don't meet alone so I probably can't get overly flirty and have to read the room a little. Let's see how it goes.

>>33492472
Thanks, though I changed my mind. Going to hold off, maybe for good. My skin has been so fucked up lately. Yesterday it was a decent day, so I got optimistic for a moment... but today I woke up, looked in the mirror, and lol no I'm back to looking like a disgusting piece of shit.

Things that actually matter to women in dating:

- Looks
- Height
- Status

Things that don't matter to women in dating:

- "Aura"
- Personality
- Attitude
- Confidence
- "Game"

>>33495259

Listen man, if you wait until every “flaw” is gone before putting yourself out there, you’ll never start. I’ve coached guys with severe acne, missing teeth... and the ones who owned it still pulled hundreds of matches a week. Why? Because, per Snyder et al.’s classic self-monitoring research, people respond more to the frame you project than the surface details. If your Tinder pics radiate “I’m comfortable in my skin,” you’re already ahead of 90% of men hiding behind filters.

Get 3 to 5 clear shots: one smiling, one doing something active, one that hints at your lifestyle. For openers, keep them light but personal, like “You seem like trouble” or “That smile’s gotta have a story”, anything that teases without over-investing. Confidence is the attraction switch; flip it, and the rest follows.

>>33495661
Bro, if looks, height, and status were all that mattered, half my clients would still be jerking off alone. I’ve watched 5’6” dudes with busted skin pull 9s and 10s on repeat because they know how to trigger hardwired attraction switches. Kenrick & Keefe’s cross-cultural research shows women drop their “must-haves” the second a man radiates confidence, dominance, and social proof. I’ve seen asian short guys walk in, lock eyes, smirk like they already own her, and take the hottest girl in the room home before the good looking guys even worked up the courage to say hi.

So I have this 18 year old interested in me during some martial arts practice. She is obv looking at and crushing on me. I am 25.

Autistic game plan:

Step 1: I just ask for her discord and if she wants to join my minecraft server
And to add any friends she wants to.

Step 2: play with her and talk to her.

>>33496205
I can see why you call it autistic

>>33496210
It is complicated:

I am being semi-cockblocked by another woman who also crushes on me and wants to sabotage me. They're so awkward that when I talk to one or both them they speak of me in third person. The other girl loves kpop and those chicklit pr0n books women read. There is also a betaorbiter who hates me. It is autism: cold war.
Never been in such a situation.

>>33495680
I keep getting recurring infections on my face and scalp. I started on medication, and I thought it was working, but turns out it's not. I feel guilty even going to my job, or grocery shopping. No one should have to see this. Even if I did get a match, I can't set up any kind of date because I never know when my face is going to look like shit.

>match with/approach a girl
>suddenly forget everything I've ever learned and thought
I typically never think of what I say and will act like a total autist who wants to talk about trains to a random stranger, I can geek out about something and work that into a conversation, but on the apps or if I find them attractive and go up to them in person I'm like a deer in headlights and I just freeze, not even worried about what I should say or anything, I'm just completely blank. Its like I have charisma out the wazoo but when it comes to game time I'm done

>>33494479
I read No More Mr. Nice Guy. It made me more assertive, but didn't help at all with getting me laid. I'll try the others, thanks.

>>33495661
If that were true I wouldn't see women dating short ugly guys with no status

Guys, big win, I was able to lose my virginity today. If my dumbass can pull it off anyone can.

>>33496689
Lost my virginity a year ago.

Men are retreating from marriage, from relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

Well actually if counting virtual sex when I was 17.

>>33496689
How’d you pull it off?

>>33496709
>virtual sex
the most orthodox religions don't consider this sex lmao but you do?

>>33496205
Why are you asking for her Discord? Tf

>>33496898
Kind of. It honestly just felt like warm flesh. It was more pity sex than anything that time. The virtual sex the girl was experimenting to see if she was a lesbian or not. I hugged a lot of young women, been driven places by young women, played games with them, and a lot of other things. Just never had the chance of having a girlfriend.

>>33495661
Disagreed on personality and confidence not mattering.

I more or less don't have any of the things that matter, but I make it up with personality and confidence in spades and get play. I'm sure of it.

>>33496616
Dating just means being a paypig.

>>33496965
Nothing is free. Time or money or effort or attention.

>>33496754
I met her on bumble and right off the bat she was super into me, we talked for a week and went on two dates and on the second date we had sex

>>33497072
>she was super into me
what is a girl like like that?

>>33497097
She just has to be that! There is no hidden words or agendas.

Godfuckingdamnit I always end up having an intelligent conversation instead of trying to flirt and escalate sexual tension, even when I don't talk much they somehow know I'm the type of guy who they'll treat like their emotional tampon. I even avoid them at my social go to place and they still talk to me like I'm an older brother.

>>33497124
the first impression is the one that lasts, you've already lost

I got two numbers yesterday.
#1 seems interested, I made a sexual joke and she's eager for the first date. Honestly she looked better from afar, I'd say a 5 or less out of 10 unfortunately.
#2 seems less interested. Maybe a 6-7/10. Already hit me with a "I'm busy that day." When I got her number I told her she was cute, and she hesitated but gave me the number anyway I think out of curiosity more than pity/pressure.

I just got out of a relationship with a 10/10 and I've already been on a few dates with girls prettier than these but not too interesting, I got bored as fuck and have had 0 motivation to even touch them/consider kissing them.

Should I take time off? It sucks because I keep approaching girls every day without effort but my heart just isn't In it right now. Maybe I need to join a boxing gym.

I could easy Fuck the 5/10 tomorrow but I know I'll feel empty

>>33497142
>the first impression is the one that lasts, you've already lost

you can't lose if you've already given up

I am getting ahead of myself here, but do gfs typically send nudes unannounced? Because I don't want that. But it seems like a touchy subject because it could come across as rejection no matter what I say.

>>33496918
1) Nerdy chicks and men all use discord in my experience and will ask you for your acc. First for your snap then discord.

2) Asking for phone number makes not a lot of sense anymore but works sometimes. Is more awkward.


3) Normies use snapchat and insta. I don't use those.

This is culture dependent, I am not american.

>match with a girl on Bumble
>ask her out
>says she leaves for vacation and won't be back until the end of month
>few days later Bumble says she's abroad
>just leave it be
Should I let the conversation go to the archive or should I send some random message to prevent that?

>>33491446
She’s only keeping you around for attention. She has low self-esteem and knows you’ll always be there when no one else is. She even knows you check if she unblocks you — that’s how much control she has over you. Just block her and take back your power.

>>33491446
just stop stalking her and move on

I'm already dating a girl I met at a bar. Few things first:
1. The girl was introduced to me by my friend because she was originally out with him. She started to make moves on me and ditched my friend lol. Friend didn't have a problem with this cuz he met her only one time but still.

2. We planned a date the day after and she insisted we drank at a park. So I went along with it and we did it. She's fuggin 21 and even at that age drinking at a park seems like teenager behaviour, not 21 year old behaviour.

I don't really like her after all this, what should I do? Keep playing along to have fun? hope she starts acting a bit different/change or what?

>>33498714
No
>>33498887
Wtf is the issue here?? Go buy some beers or wine or w/e crack some jokes and make out with her in a park. Sounds like a good time.

>>33497165
>Should I take time off?
For me it didn't work.
>10/10 gf for 1 year
>single for 3 years
>9/10 gf for 2 years, not good enough compared to first one
>single for 5 years
>6/10 gf now, sweet af and I'm getting stronger feelings for her every day, but I'm almost ashamed of her when presenting her to people that met my other gfs

>>33498901
The issue is that I'm 28 and I feel like she's a bit immature for me. My friends already suggested it was ratchet of her even suggesting drinking at a park(with vodka of all things, not even beer) and I sorta agree.

>>33497432
>do gfs typically send nudes unannounced
gfs don't send nudes unless they're cheating and the nudes are for someone else, but you get to see them too because they're so nice with you

>>33498930
>she's a bit immature for me
that's a good thing because she's young enough to shape her into a better woman
after 24 or so it's over and they never change
go for it, show her how mature you are and make her follow you

I'm 26 and heading to college as a freshman in a few weeks. According to the internet, this is THE environment to date and lose my V-card. But...I'm currently living with a parent and won't have the funds to find a new place for at least a year. How do I navigate the dating pool without a crib to bring friends or a woman back to?

>>33497124
The first step to solving a problem is recognizing it. Now change it.

>>33497432
It's not about unannounced. If you guys start sexting, it's likely they may send a nude

Should I send this to my ex or nah?

As I reflect on our time together, it has become painfully clear how I pushed you away. I had lied to you, I was not ready for a relationship from the beginning. When we met, I was in a critical moment. I was working almost every day with little sleep.
Time I should have spent to love myself was spent focusing on getting more and more love from you. This is my my own fault, had I loved myself, I could have given you the love and stability you deserved. I felt the stress in myself, and I saw it in you as your radiant smile faded and your sighs began to match mine.
Maybe hazard will cross our paths again when we're both ready, maybe not, but I am grateful for your light, for it has helped find my own light again to focus on my path.

bg
>met a girl while she was travelling
>she kept changing her plans to see me
>came to my place, cooked for me, took care of me when I would come back from work
>super dedicated and independent, strong
>she starts to say im being too heavy on her bc Im saying I want to move to her country and I start acting needy
>she tells me she loves me
>a week after she leaves, she break up with me saying "im not ready for a relationship"
>Im mean to her on the phone as she breaks up with me, told her shit like "youre just going to get a bf anyway, bla bla bla im a fucking loser faggot for 40 minutes" She says IM NOT A WHORE and blocks me
>apologize a week later and she tells me to not talk to her again
>it's been a month

>>33486844 (OP)
How many matches are yall getting a week on dating apps? Mine can be from 2-3 to 0

>>33499322
I'm lucky if I get one every other month.

>>33499266
You will have my time, son

>she kept changing her plans to see me
>came to my place, cooked for me, took care of me when I would come back from work
>super dedicated and independent, strong

Thats not irreplaceable, but rare. You had it

>I start acting needy
Are you that american guy, she is french solo traveller around 20 years old?

>Im mean to her
>im a fucking loser faggot for 40 minutes
>She says IM NOT A WHORE and blocks me
You have big issues, son. Unresolved traumas and underdeveloped emotional self control. Also feels like low dating experience. Unless you heal and grow, every woman will be your ex for the same reason

>apologize a week later
Thats not how humans work. You cannot repulse someone into feeling like a whore, getting blocked out of disgust and self protection and expect an apology to fix anything. Both her, me and even you deep down know its a strategy to win, not an apology really

Even your letter is not an apology. First third is you excusing and pitying yourself, middle third is what if (which has nothing to do with her pain in the moment), last third is you smearing blame onto her (when WE BOTH ready, maybe not) then ending with fake enlightenment

You are sending this to feel better, at the price of her feeling worse. Thats literal emotional abuse. Thats what women do. And you my son is a man, even if not a complete one yet

Let this woman be, dont traumatize her even more with your own traumas. And ask your chatgpt whats is wrong with your manipulative apology letter not to do that ever again

>>33499322
There are weeks where I have more matches than I know what to do with them and there are weeks where nothing's happening. It's a coin toss

>>33499403
I already sent her an apology voicemail saying i was an idiot and she was right to break up.
Then after she forgave me, I textedher asking to see ehr once more
then she responded by saying dont talk to me again.

Ive had 4 LTRs, 3/4 left me for another guy. i lost my mom a couple years ago and my mind has changed for the worse in some respects and better in others, but yeah, Im worried if messaging her will just make her feel bad no matter the message.

I followed the advice of a married man to apologize to her within a week, idk if I should have said anything else after the shit i said. The thing is though, she did once say she was going to get an aids test as soona s she got back to france long before she broke up with me, she implied she thought I was a manslut

You think I could ina year?

>>33499403
Im that guy and I know how rare she is. Im so frustrated. I honeslty was not ready for that relationship for multiple reasons as you can see.

IDK what the best way forward for it was or if there ever was one.
Scenario 1: she goes back to school, we text, have a ldr, I visit her for a couple weeks, go back home, then what??
scenario 2: I go there and find a job, we live together??? is that so bad?
Scenario 3: )ideal) i had my shit together form the beginning and I havea house/good job to where i could convince her to stay, but shes independant as fuck and has a great family and connection with them, so... doubtful.

There was really no way forward other than an LDR which is crap. I guess the only option was to let her go and saw what happened, but I knew I had gold and it corrupted me.

Do you greet or make eye contact with the gym receptionist girl? I usually just scan my card and walk in without acknowledging her, but I’m not sure if she prefers it that way since she probably has to say hi to a hundred people a day, or if she’d actually want me to greet her.

>>33499538
Greet her, be warm and friendly. My gym doesn't have a reception so much as a manager's office with a view window that you have to walk past to get to the gym. I greet regardless if I feel like it or not.

>>33499555
but now that i have ignored her for so long, wouldn't it be weird to start greeting out of the blue?

>>33499538
I've been a gym receptionist before, and whoever doesn't give eye/contact/greet I see as mindless sheep/weird/loser/gay
You should exchange words with the front desk casually each time you come in, we would all benefit in ways unimagineable.

>>33499493
>3/4 left me for another guy
They left You, not for another guy. You had them. There is always competition

>lost my mom a couple years ago
Must be hard going through that. This is a big loss that takes long time to grief, and dating women (relationship dynamics are formed on parental dynamics with opposite gender) will slow down that process if you are not processing your loss naturally and fully

>worried if messaging her will just make her feel bad no matter the message
There are messages that can pierce her pain and emotional confusion caused by you. But this version of you right now cannot fathom or embody such messages. Yet. Accept this fact: your intention is not her wellbeing, your intention is soothing your pain. Closure, happiness, joy are inside of you. In your body. So dont make it worse while you are still learning. You already let her know you fucked up, she heard it. It is done. Now focus on yourself and learn the lesson

>she was going to get an aids tests
>she thought I was a manslut
Focus, dont spiral into overthinking. Are you paying attention? When women feel hurt, they instinctively try to make you feel same so you resonate. It makes sense on a body level. I feel bad, so I show you how bad it is on a way you can feel yourself. You made her feel like a whore, she reflected that back. Very simple

>>33499502
>There was really no way forward other than
I will remind you my brutal honesty from an old threat: that woman is a very very young french independent solo traveller, and you have a decade long age gap. She is not looking for husband or a life partner, she is exploring herself and the world. She will change her life at least five times till she is 30 and then she will feel its the right time to settle

She is still gold, but to turn this fiery sexy french 20 yo explorer into wife it takes skills beyond so many horizons you cant even imagine. So take is a gift of life. She is a mirror to show you all your flaws. So you can fix them

>>33499565
No. Just because you haven't said hi in the past doesn't mean you have to continue it, either. The girl manager at my gym was the same way and now we talk anytime she's on the gym floor. Don't overthink it, it's just a simple greeting.

Say the roles were reversed. You wouldn't automatically think "huh, they're weird for saying hi out of nowhere", right?

>>33499502
Holy shit my writing is atrocious, I'm sorry dad.
>I guess the only option was to let her go and see what happens, but I knew I had gold and it corrupted me.

The thing is, she had guy friends, drug dealer friends, smoked weed, has a model tier face, great body, actually 10/10 as I can find no comparison since she left over a month ago. Wouldn't i grow insecure when she tells me about her 3rd/10th party of the year?

Am I insecure/retarded for thinking that something was going to eventually happen? Hindsight I trust her completely with my heart, but a man can't be paranoid about having that?
I prepared, I got numbers while she was away, even got a date a couple days after she dumped me but I was too sad to be around and lost that, not that I even wanted her, just a shallow way to make myself feel better, like the date I have with a desperate woman tomorrow. Should I call it off and work on my business? yes? Ok?

>>33499538
Ofcourse, do you not tip them?

>>33499577
>dating women (relationship dynamics are formed on parental dynamics with opposite gender) will slow down that process if you are not processing your loss naturally and fully
Yes, it's insane how this whole situation is. She had my mom's name in her name. She had told me she thought about my mom. I think its my mother as a guardian angel who sent me this important lesson as insane as it sounds.
>Focus, dont spiral into overthinking. Are you paying attention? When women feel hurt, they instinctively try to make you feel same so you resonate.
Youre completely right. It's so clear now.
>She will change her life at least five times till she is 30 and then she will feel its the right time to settle She is still gold, but to turn this fiery sexy french 20 yo explorer into wife it takes skills beyond so many horizons you cant even imagine. So take is a gift of life. She is a mirror to show you all your flaws. So you can fix them

I've already begun to accept this fact and have been seeing it indeed as a mirror onto myself, and it's ugly. Maybe once I've learned my lesson and embodied it full, in 5-10 years that if this happens again with another girl, I can have that.

I have to stop wasting time, I have to be efficient with my time and my energy. I have to stop seeking validation from others. I have to stop visiting 4chan and bragging about how I have a hot 20 yo gf and what kind of girl I got a number from. Why is this me? Why am I so disgusting?

The therapist in my city is off for 2 months, Ill try chatgpt

I told her I was thinking of asking her to marry me, and she said "I thought you didn't believe in marriage"

I told her so many retarded things. I wish I just hung up, it would have been 1000 times better.

>>33499630
Is this better? I dont want someting that makes me feel better, but HER.

Your light showed me that I have a lot of work to do. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you the best in everything. Thank you.

I'm hoping some kind anon could help me.

>Went on a date with girl pictured on Thursday from Hinge
>Date went really well. Laughed a lot and she was up for a second date involving a walk
>Communication from her side dwindles slightly to nothing at the weekend
>get this message today

I've noticed on my past 3 dates that they go silent for a few days, and then reply back to say they don't want to persue anything further.

My question is, is this even salvageable? Another girl l dated also wasn't looking for anything serious but had a feeling I wanted something serious and I fumbled that.

Clearly me wanting a serious relationship isn't working so am I better of going down the road of just trying to fuck them?

>>33499719
You're just not what they're looking for. Thank her for the good times and move on.

>>33496946
You're either lying and actually good looking, or you don't fucking "get play". You may not be an incel but you're not fucking successful either, just delusional.

>>33496993
You're more of a loser than us JFL.

Where can I meet quality women? I’m in the Midwest near a major city.

I’m 39, /fit/, 6’0, white, good career, have hobbies, dress well, and have game.

The only negatives I can see is I’m not flashy with my money, I don’t drink (anymore), and I’m not a “bad boy”/thug.

I’ve had “success” on the apps, and I’ve been approached, but all the women I meet are low quality.

I’ve done the church thing and that didn’t work, all the single women are old/feminists/just as bad as secular women.

I’m really considering the passport bro thing at this point.

>>33499794

I'm sure women not being good enough is the main problem, and you're not exaggerating your stats at all.

Well you have game, after all. That's impressive. Maybe look for instagram models and use your game to write to them, are those hot enough for you?

>>33499793
Believe what you want. There are more ways to get women than there are for women to get men (be hot and not a total bitch). The sooner you realize that, the better.

What does JFL mean?

>>33499794
Are you me? 100% buddy, I feel this post 100%. I just feel things got exponentially worse after 33 in the dating market. Im 50 pounds fitter, sober, and worth millions more yet the quality of women I get are so much worse.
I dont have an answer for you other than to say Im throwing in the towel and going passport bro in Nov. I think its just an age thing, the top 10% at 39 are inferior to the 50% percentile 27yrolds.
Midwest its just too hard to date 12 years younger if you have your life together, ironically.

>>33499833
If you're a legitimate millionaire you should be having no problems. Use your money to attract higher quality women, or move to a place with higher quality women.

>>33499855
Im just so comfy but yea, I can live anywhere. I should just accept Calgarys not working go find a beach somewhere.
Sobriety will still be a bitch though. So much easier being social back when I was an alcoholic.

>>33499896
I've always wanted to check out Alberta in general for the purposes of moving for lower cost of living. I make a decent dime but this country got even more expensive in a hurry.

You gotta replace alcohol with something else. Nothing will quite take it's place, though. I can tell you that much..

Greetings from Toronto.

>>33499813

I don’t use social media. I quit that almost 10 years ago because it was a time sink. I’ve considered going back on but I don’t think that’s the problem.

I’m not exaggerating, and I’m not trying to pretend to be a chad on here. I’m trying to get honest answers and skip the obvious “well have you tried deodorant?” answers.

>>33499630
In all honesty though, I doubt she onlyhad one guy before me, she sucked dick way too good, rode me way too good. she was practiced. do girls really just come out the box or after 1 boyfriend with good technique? She had tohave been lying. she rode me reverse cowgirl which has never worked out with anyone before.

>>33499918
NTA, but if you're genuinely above average as you describe yourself, social media would 100% help you.

I understand not wanting to use it; it generally sucks and men don't give a shit about it other than for getting dates and events and such. Just use it minimally, keep a few posts showing your lifestyle, keeping in mind the type of women you'd like to attract, and see what's out there.

I say this as someone who's also not terrible in any regard but is also hesitant to use Instagram.

>>33499833

Glad to see it’s not just me. In my early 30s I could get 27 year olds but they were all career women, didn’t want kids, covered in tattoos, or didn’t add any value to my life.

I guess hoeflation outpaced my self improvement.

>>33499815
Sure bro. Just be bold and go for it and you'll get the girl! Got to cold approach and show you're not scared! Work hard and be responsible and she will appreciate it! etc etc

We both know dating dynamics are determined by looks. And anyone who says "i'm ugly but I get women" is either not ugly or just gets very sparse success and is happy with that and delusional.

In fact, no one is calling me ugly, which I was waiting for, probably because you guys already figured out that I would just say "so you agree it's about looks". But it used to be that any time I bring these things up, someone would say "you are ugly". There's a reason for that.

>>33499918
Alright then. Here's an honest response. For the same of the argument I will take everything you said at absolute face value.

Get on tinder and swipe right on only the absolute top 1% like women do. Get on instagram and write to women who are exceptionally attractive. Should be easy enough.

>>33499996
I'm not ugly. Just average. It works for me. Lol

>>33499918

I totally believe that you are not exaggerating on purpose or trying to pretend. What I have doubts about is the reliability of your own perception.

Because when someone starts saying "I have game, I dress well, I have a good career, I'm fit..." you just know he added at least 3 inches to his height.

At 39 you don't need to be le "bad boy", in fact you don't actually need that at any age, it's a meme. You don't have to be "flashy" with your money either. I don't think you understand social dynamics so well, let alone "have game".

I don't think your problem is finding high quality women, because any time I have chadfished, I easily found hot women who had good jobs and were easily willing to settle down and be in a serious relationship with the chad.

>>33500013
>I'm not ugly.
Well there it is. Don't lecture me when you don't know the downsides of life yourself.

And being an average guy your success should still be very limited, but you're just happy with that like I said.

>>33500036
Are you white? I'm east Asian.

>And being an average guy your success should still be very limited

Depends what you mean by limited.

Reminder that any answer about women involving "muh personality," "muh masculinity," or "muh aura" just means that the poster has no fucking clue what they're talking about
Modern women are fucking irrational and make stupid impulsive decisions, there is no way you as a single man can fix this if women are choosing Safe Sleazy over you

>>33499916
So many of you out here, most tell me they will never go back. All the bosses tend to be from Toronto as you aren't nearly as entitled as us locals are who grew up watching high school dropouts make 120k driving water trucks in fort mac.
Though I think that explains why the dating scene is so awful as women couldn't go to a bar without bumping into a 100 fit rich wealthy rig pigs with a pocket full of coke.

>>33500047
>I'm east Asian.
Jfl

I am hispanic

>>33500054
Well I didn't know it's like that out there. Lol good thing I'm not like that, I'm just trying to survive desu.

Good luck to you.

>>33500059
What does JFL mean?

Hispanics are attractive no? What are you complaining about?

>>33500065
>Hispanics are attractive no?
not really

>>33500073
You should be ok. Latinas are my favorite btw, it's a shame there's not more where I live in Toronto.

>>33500061
Thats what Im saying. You are the kind of employee the owners love that tends to thrive out here.
You too buddy.

>>33499996
You are definitely ugly on the inside. All of you lookism fags sound like insufferable turds to be around.

>>33500059
>incel moaner is a brownoid

It’s hilarious how often it checks out that the bulk of seething incels online are jeet-adjacent losers.

>>33500027

OK great.

So where do you find better quality women irl?

>>33487644
>i fear that im not gonna love her as much as i want to, or that i will get tired of her,
Opposite for me, I feel like they'd leave the moment I show a crack
>he's how old and has no dating experience? Yeah, I'm not dealing with that baggage

It's a vicious cycle

>>33499793
As a femanon and based off what I can read here in your conversation thread it's clear why he gets attention and you don't. He's carefree and trying to help, and somehow you laugh at them for being Asian and somehow call him a loser. You're a pathetic projector...

>>33499322
practically zero, all of my matches have been from me liking them first

>>33491446
Man just block her and move on
Korean women are a lost causes and a waste of time

>>33501367
jfl what a stupid whore

i guess everyone who is successful with women is carefree and helpful, and just so happens to not be short or ugly

>>33502150
What? No one said anything about anyone. I was talking about him and him alone. You're projecting, once again.

what are your limits with fwbs? like, head, sex, cuddling, spending the night, etc? im guessing its very individual, but im mostly just worried about crossing any boundaries by accident.

>>33502226
That's something to be discussed and planned out with them.

So, Ive crossed paths with this girls for about 2 years, not every day, but a lot of times. First time I noticed she was looking at me when i was saying goodbye to my family, thats when it clicked for me "huh, shes hot".
After that, it has been crossing paths on the street and sometimes when im training at the yard of my department (ive seen her looking through) The thing is, in the beginning, I would stare at her when we were close and she also did. But now (few days ago) She kinda gets shy and looks away or straight. I think it has been so long witohut anyone telling anything that now its awkward and painful for both of us. The other day I was gonna talk to her but I froze and couldnt stare at her.
Should I start with a quick "hi" and smile and keep walking? (and then see how she reacted)

I have a habit of overthinking things and seeing things which aren't there, but I can't help feel there's potentially something more to it all. However I also made a dickhead of myself. I'll explain

>Go to same store regularly
>New girl starts there
>I somehow get in her way every single time I go in
>This sort of becomes a running joke
>Now every time I go in she sees me and laughs, in a nice polite way
>She did the same thing today but she was also serving on the register
>Go up to the counter with my item
>She seems to be laughing when she sees me coming over
>Then she notices I have an item and immediately stops
>It felt like she tried to make some kind of small talk today (we've never once spoken properly)
>Like a complete autist I ignored what she said and asked her the most retarded question I possibly could
>She kept her professional demeanor and I could already tell she thought I was mentally handicapped
>I did a 360 and walked right the fuck out

I even said to myself next time no one was in I would initiate some kind of small talk with her myself. Today was that day, there was only me and her. Literally just before I went to the counter two other workers came in and about six other people. It's only a small place so it made me hot and flustered bros.

tl;dr How do I strike up some kind of conversation without looking like a complete fucking retard especially after what happened today?

>>33499630
Are you in SEA?

>>33502307
yes

>>33502489
hint: aim for the slow periods, make a routine. i recognize regulars, yeah, but i know who has certain times. some i can have their order ready before they even speak.
i have a couple cute customers. this one guy always looks exhausted when he comes in within 20 mins of opening, kinda fluffy hair and a bit of a light beard? accidentally greeted him by name the other day and he smiled at me. hell yeah.

>>33502150
>i guess everyone who is successful with women is carefree and helpful, and just so happens to not be short or ugly

I'm neither short nor ugly and I have a full head of hair, good genetics but zero success with women. My existence proves this belief of yours to be false.

What do you guys think of age gaps? There's some girl(21) that is interested in me but we are 14 years apart in age, it feels a bit weird.What do?
To clarify she's the one who engaged me about dating and stuff.
I'm a bit at a loss since I am a turbovirgin and she's younger than some of my family members...

>>33504000
Who cares, I was dating a woman 6 years my senior and recently was on a date with a teenager. As long as she's an adult who cares

>>33504000
Family dependent. If you wouldn't outwardly come out with the news to your family that you're with a 21/fill in the blanks year old, don't date then. It's just a bad look.

>>33486844 (OP)
>this user asks you to verify your profile
Yeah, nah

>>33504000
If you're both ok with it and you vibe honestly I don't think it really matter.

>2023
>hundreds of likes and matches each week
>dates almost every day
>fucked like 30 girls in 6 months until I found gf

>2025
>I’m barely getting 2-3 likes per week and if so then from a ugly 2/10
>tried tinder, badoo, boo
>nothing

What happened? I got ban from tinder though but now I used new phone and new number. Still getting shadow banned on tinder doesn’t explain no matches on other platforms.. is it because I’m old (25)? Is it some kind of Jewish conspiracy against me? How do you even pick up girls irl (no PUA things pls)? I think I’m completely fuck.

Met a girl on the street going into my gym, this was the interaction , it was funny
>rambling to myself approaching my gym on my bike like a fucking loon
>see tall white girl in short shorts glasses and sailor moon shirt head out the library
>think oh shit i should shut up pretty girls about
>get off bike, pass her, act like im about to cross the street, she doesnt come up to the light but hangs back on her phone
>fuck!
>head back, go up to her and ask where the gym is
>silence as she looks around and sees the gym behind her and tell her my glasses are fucked up
>we chat for a bit, find a common ground on museums, she says she hasn't been to a certain museum yet
>I say how about we go together and shes like yeah
>I tell her i knew where the gym was but thought she was cute
>she laughs and says she knew i was lying
>gives me her number
Her texts have been lukewarm, even her talking to me at the beginning she hesitated to give me her number.
Just got a date down with her for tomorrow, not at the museum but at a coffee shop to feel her out since the museum is kind of far and expensive.
the last 3 first dates i had sucked, the girls just werent into it and frankly neither was I, but i think im very attracted to this one.
I was thinking of sitting side-by-side, my last super successful date/relationship started with us sitting side by side looking things up on the internet together on our first meeting before we kiss and fucked our brains out later that night.

ANy thoughts on sitting next to each other on a date? face to face is so interviewy.

>>33504701
I agree it can be interviewy, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. You can look them in the eyes, admire them and shit.

Maybe your best is face to face coffee, then go for a walk which is side by side anyway. Talk and figure out if she wants to do more. If so, have a restaurant or activity already planned. If not, date is done.

>>33502968
I've been trying to do just that, but her hours seem to be completely random and so do her days. I think there could be some interest from her but at the same time I might just be looking into her friendliness too much. I try to gauge it on how she is with other people, but being a tard I would probably just believe whatever I want to believe.
The other problem is I hate approaching people at work. Something doesn't seem right about it like it puts them in an awkward spot. Especially because I go in every day.

>>33504831
Yeah I think ill take her somewhere else after half an hour or so. its hot as fuck outside though

>>33504701
Sitting face to face is better because it allows you to maintain stronger eye contact.
It’s all about the eyes anon. You can dominate her with eye contact, seduce her with it,
and create sexual tension without touching her.

You can also read her interest through her eyes.
if she can hold eye contact, she’s likely interested too.
if she looks away quickly, she might not be that into you interested.

train from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w3cYtJekpw

>>33504916
Yeah that's fine, unless she really dislikes heat. Maybe iced coffee drinks, walk a short distance to > restaurant, snacks, activity. Have fun.

>>33496616
We know 6'2 is short by today's standards as 6'5 is the bare minimum

>>33504977
>We know 6'5 is short by today's standards as 6'8 is the bare minimum

>>33503009

if you have no success with women you are not good looking, you coping piece of shit. you're just like the guys who talk like everyone is a chad, or ask "how to find women who are worth it". you dont have good genetics. there's so many guys who look normal, are not short, and have a full head of hair, and are still just not attractive. an attractive face means a bunch of features have to look just right and in harmony with each other. its a rare privilege, not something you have because you look in the mirror and think you're not ugly.

>>33502219

what makes a man attractive then, low IQ skank? it's not being carefree and helpful because that's just him. so what makes other men attractive? being kind and caring and having a good personality? kek

>>33505258
No wonder you're a virgin

>>33505252
And you don't have it. Lmao

>>33505288

oh no, really? i don't have it? damn i didnt know that

>>33505280

stfu toilet, jfl

i am a virgin because of my looks. guess what women love my personality when i chadfish

i truly woo'd this one with my respect and aura

currently talking to a foid i've been chadfishing for months. she's about to get into a plane just to be stood up. anyone want screenshots?

>>33505305
Congrats. You're still a virgin because you can't close. Nothing has changed. Lol

>>33505305
>85% of them are ugly

its so over

>>33504940
A girl stood close to me, almost touching me, and stared into my eyes for 35 seconds (new record). I held her gaze until she looked away.

But then nothing else happened. What should I have done?

>>33505397
I doubt she stared into your eyes for 35 seconds uninterrupted

>>33505345
I can't close right now bro, but just wait, I'm learning game. I will get so good at approaching and closing, that it won't matter that I'm short and brown bro.

>>33505390
They just don't have aura bro. They need to take better pictures.

>>33486970
>This whole thread general disproves this. If it was nobody would be asking advice on woman.
A large number of them are anons who don't realize the girl isn't interested.

>>33505468
>They just don't have aura bro. They need to take better pictures.

Maybe that's my problem, I don't take many pictures to begin with...

>>33505470
No bro, you don't get it. They have game. They pull, bro. It's just that the girl is shy.

>>33505494
Sure bro. Just take pics that show you don't care and show abundance bro, then you'll pull more women than you know what to do with. How do you think most men get almost a date per day from tinder?

>>33505468
No you cant close you have a disgusting personality :)

>>33486970
The signs are easy to recognize once you learn them. Men, including myself at one point, are either 1. Ass backwards retarded 2. Don't think the signs are for them or are being played 3. Straight autistic

>>33505684
>tfw all 3

>>33505656

Broo I am learning game, I will pull trust me, I will get aura. That's supposed to be what matters to women right?

>>33505769
Personality matters, fuck your aura

>>33505761
Lol do your best bud.

>>33505777
is that why most short guys, if you ask them, say that they "pull", get hundreds of tinder matches per week, and women are all over them in bars? because they have a good personality unlike me?

>>33505783
I know a legit 5'6 guy but has an awesome sense of humour. Doesn't care about his height and still attracts women

So shut the fuck up and improve your personality. Stop your annoying buuut it's not like thaaaat bitching

How can I get a black gf? I'm white, nerdy, 30, cute but not hot, and I can never seem to attract black girls like I used to. I've been obsessed with them since I lost my virginity to one at 21 and since then white girls haven't done it for me.

Just moved to an area that is quite suburban and not like the big city I was used to

>>33505810
I also met a short gook at a night club who was telling me and my friend all about how he was so alpha and got so many women. He also hit on a woman in front of us as she was waiting to get her drink. As soon as she got her drink she went away and completely ignored him. Kek

Men lie a lot about this, and there's also this stupid social pressure that normies have to pretend like everyone is a chad and has it easy.

>>33505397
Was it on a date? Then you should have kissed her.
Was it a random woman on the street? Idk maybe run as she was probably on meth or something.

Some massive redpills from a guy approaching his 30
>Lean is NOT law
>Being lean is ok but fat built or dad bod is also PRETTY FUCKING GOOD too
>Bad boy signaling on your dating profile is cringe
>Effort maxxing and being nice, pretty fucking good

I got a ton of pussy 23-26, my body count is well over 100. Have slept around a lot. Bottle service girls, Only Fans girls, etc. My take away is:
>18-24 vs. 28-36 is an ENTIRELY different strategy for dating
>sIgnaling anything unstable post 28 fucks you
>husband quality maxxing is good

I'm not saying to be a huge cuck faggot but honestly its not even that bad to do that too at 28. Dependability maxxing is huge.

Anyone else notice this?
t. tatted up mentally ill guy who used to be a whore but is realizing whoremaxxing for men falls off hard

Ok lads so I'm probably gonna settle for this girl for good but before I do that I need to do a last hurrah as a bachelor male that is nearing the dreaded cutoff point of 30 (though I do have a spare tinder acc with 2000 as year of birth at least)

Here's my situation:
>incel past, absolute trash self esteem especially relating to girls
>started really coming out of it only after 25, pretty much wasted my youth
>groomed to be pretty good looking (ugly girls chase me obsessively, mid/decent girls I can almost always score and some chase me obsessively, top tier girls obviously never initiate, scored some good looking on apps but never 10/10 models or anything)
>tall enough, skinny side of athletic (think swimmer/climber type)
>high charisma but somewhat autistic
>can flirt with girls just fine but absolutely fucking terrified of crossing into full on "I'm interested in you" territory
>had decent success on dating apps, but absolutely never have I hit on a girl irl despite going to plenty of clubs and such
>was in the swinger and kink scene for a brief time, but it was full of ugly people unfortunately that clung to me a lot and that didn't let me hit on anyone hot

Any advice on how to score as many girls, ideally some really hot ones, in the next year or so would be highly appreciated. I'm very good at the dating app game, but it's a lot of mids looking to settle, which ain't what I need. I do want to explore irl options as it seems like there's a goldmine of promiscuous scantily clad young girls around where I am. I have no experience with it though, and I have no faith in the fact that I'm apparently hot (as I'm told so by women). But I am prepared to force myself into anything.

>>33493481
>>33494249
Here is my advice as someone who was almost a 21 year old virgin, 300lbs before 22, then slept around a LOT.

First off, you're likely gonna have an ego issue. You're gonna have to recognize a lot of your beliefs don't work help you. Then you're gonna need to listen to the following two books
>Alchemy by Rory Sutherland
>Psychocybernetics

Then you need to do some basics if not already done
>Lifting routine / eating cleaner
>Get into therapy

>BUT ANON THERAPY IS JEWISH AND BOOKS ARE FOR FAGGOTS AND -
ego

>BUT ANON I DO THOSE ALREADY AN-
ok good, just checking

Then you need to figure out what your values are, what do you? You want a trad wife? Are you willing to sleep around before hand? Are you handsome, are you intelligent? What are we working with here

Ultimately, anyone can have success. I view it in a Jungian way, people view other archetypically - if you meet a girl and shes a blonde surfer girl with a fat ass, you will describe her as such in your group chat before she becomes a real person. You are viewing the archetype of her, you need to develope a fuckable archetype. This is you, dialed up to 12. You dipped in you sauce. What this is not is
>being buff
>trying to be andrew tate
If youre a fucking nerd, GREAT, lets make you a very fuckable one
Not everyone needs to be buff, look at matty matheson, look at pete davidson, there is a WILDLY fuckable version of you out there

idk about dating coach but i do know about getting over anxiety, mindset and authentic development

You probably dont need a lot of help, you probably need some basic therapy, a better outlook, some cool ass friends and to put yourself out there with some self love nigga

i believe in you, if you have any questions about my schizo rant lmk

t. >>33506199

>>33506233
>>33506233
ok book wise forgot to explain
Alchemy is a marketing book, getting laid is not exactly like sales, its more marketing
understand marketing concepts like USP, etc this is like an advanced version of hypergamy that isnt just a male lens of autistic bullshit about height

>anon a marketing book to get laid?
yes advertisers know what works a thousand years before psychology does

also i spelled Psychocybernetics wrong idk maxwell maltz or someshit - good mindset book that is basically sports psychology

>>33506228
Also I would add
>huge cock
I have absolutely no idea how to leverage this, but maybe someone has some idea. One time apparently a chick did hit on me because she saw a "bulge", but she was incredibly autistic.

>>33506199
>Dependability maxxing is huge.
I agree, but the problem is you'll find a lot of women trying to settle with you, not fuck you necessarily. It's also not at all the same as pure sexual attraction because you're hot.

>>33505461
she blinked a few times of course
>>33506073
random woman but from the same college

>>33506228
>>33506240
>hinge
>tinder
>bumble

Use all 3 like a CRM, talk to a fucking insane amount of mid / ugly women, just have them all in rotation. No guy who has a high bodycount only fucks hot women and it's about getting reps in and building a fluidity to your process, i wouldnt neccesarily pay for the course of anything but its all about streamlining if you want to get as much pussy as possible, the hot girl part will just happen in the process

>get good photos taken
>go out with friends to have some
These are like your asset / creative on an advertisement, copy (rest of your profile) matters a lot less. if you want as much pussy as possible, get well groomed, then a ton of effort into photos

>have a system
have a routine, a system, a cadence, something, talk for 3 days, have a date at your place or over food or whatever it is - this will shorten the time a lot

TLDR: Good photos is huge, use 3 dating apps like your a fucking realtor with a CRM checking in on clients, develope a routine

ALSO BE CAREFUL, GETTING AS MUCH PUSSY AS POSSIBLE CAN GET A BITCH PREGNANT AND ITS NOT THAT FUN
T. ANON WHO GOES MANIC

>>33506249
Solid point, I think the reason it gave me so much success recently is I was signaling the opposite direction. Bicep photos, tatts, just a bunch of fly by night shit so this probably put me at a better point.
I could see however how overindexing on this could massively fuck you big time, I guess my main point is I bought into the bad boy propaganda too hard and have noticed it pigeonholes you a lot.

>>33506259
Thanks for the detailed answer anon!
>Use all 3 like a CRM
I get the idea but what the fuck is a CRM?
>get good photos taken
Yeah I got a decent profile, I have some ideas for improvement especially with newest style additions I got that I got complimented on. Can't really ask friends, but have a tripod.
>have a routine, a system, a cadence, something, talk for 3 days, have a date at your place or over food or whatever it is - this will shorten the time a lot
Yeah it's pretty much how I used the apps before. Chat, quickly move to a meeting, meet, get her into my house. The only thing is, I used to live in the center, now I'm farther away, not sure how that'll work (taking public transport for half an hour sounds a bit ass and taxis will break my bank).

You don't think irl hitting on chicks is worth it or?

>>33506259
>I could see however how overindexing on this could massively fuck you big time, I guess my main point is I bought into the bad boy propaganda too hard and have noticed it pigeonholes you a lot.
The absolute top tier you can be is be a nice, pleasant, dependable, -safe- guy that is also hot and isn't a pussy. Find that balance and you'll be the top choice. Also chicks that are more reasonable/intelligent/classy won't go for bad boy stuff at all.

>>33506257
Not blinking dumbfuck. I mean stating uninterrupted without looking away, once.

>>33506292
she did, although at one point she turned her head like 10 degrees to the right, but didn't stop eye contact, her feet pointed to the same direction throughout the event too, what does it mean?

>>33506282
>CRM
It's wagie talk for essentially a list with notes of potential customers who you talk to to follow up with before a sale. It's very similar to dating apps however
>Photos
Anon, trust me, I get it. You ask your friends and they think you're a fag or something but do it, or even ask people in public if you have to. Have no shame about getting good photos, a good photographer might be able to help but idk thats advice I hear but havent personally done
>hitting on girls irl

It depends but I've hooked up with 3 new girls within 24 hours off dating apps as a record. Not bragging, kinda gay of me honestly when I look back but it's hard to beat how accessible apps can be when you put in effort.
In order to do that though I did have to talk to them for awhile, etc so it's not again as easy as it seems. IRL can always be better but depends on what you're comfortable with, etc. Overall again, I think online is just hard to beat.

>>33506291
Wildly true. Think as guys we are so worried about being used for resources or anything else, we forget that being nice, pleasant and dependable is fucking awesome. IRL isn't some NTR comic and the real chads who do pull, often are sweethearts for the most part
Think it's an insecurity for guys like myself who start off being a little romantic, then have one heartbreak and cope by getting shitty tatts and making drinking white monsters your personality

>>33506301
Nothing. You're massively over exaggerating a simple lookover and worse yet, you didn't do anything with her. Didn't talk, didn't ask for socials, etc.

>>33486844 (OP)
Not really about getting with a women but I need advice on how to move past a woman. I felt for her 8 years ago and was one of the deepest connections I ever felt with anyone and someone I'd consider one of my best friends. Even after she rejected me, I continued to have very strong feelings for her, to the point it's actually interfering with my life and have a hard time moving on.
She moved away and has a bf, but I still find it hard to get over her. I want to remain friends but I hate this feeling I have for her. Feels guilty.

>>33506328
this guy is not me >>33506301

>>33489691
>not about
Then what about?

>>33492459
Truthing

I've been lurking for years and I'm almost completely sure there's zero women in this general
There's no advice for getting women either, if anyone asks they get ignored or at most receive "just be yourself"-tier bullshit
(You) are all fags jerking eachother off and wondering how to take the "next step"

>>33506418
So what happened?

Ok anons
I saw a girl at the grocery store
And I think I'm in love bros
And in my cowardice I couldn't say anything

Now how do I find her again
God help me
Grant me this if nothing ever again

>>33506523
she blinked 7 times, other than that it was uninterrupted

My dad was a virgin until 43 then got some 18 year old village girl to marry him. She had literally 0 experience with life and her parents approved the marriage.
I literally shoudn't exist. My life is a the product of sheer dumb luck. This is some planets aligning type of shit. It explains why my life was so terrible. I was raised my the most weak willed slovenly dumbass to have ever been born.

>>33506840
Sounds pretty great to me
I'd love a village girl

>>33506846
Yea marrying a village girl is all well and cool.
What isn't great is how a guy makes it to 43 without ever having sex then proceeds to marry the first girl that chances to like him out of sheer pathetic desperation. What exactly do you expect from a man like that?

>>33490894
>plant the seed that hooking up is on the table
Nta, what's the smoothest way to do this? I friendzone myself consistently cause I don't know how to start or build up sexual tension

>>33506861
Bring it up casually or topically if sex or some sex adjacent topic is talked about

>>33506930
I remember I had a convo with this one girl I wanna pipe, we somehow got to the topic of cheaters in relationships and agreed, messing around while you're single is fine, but it's not cool in a relationship, of course it wasn't that cut and dry put that was basically the points I got across. Is that close?

>>33507034
It's contextual and subjective, I wasn't there. If the vibes are good, they're in a good receptive enjoyable mood, sure. You could've said something like "but I wouldn't mind cheating with you..." with a nudge. If she doesn't like it, stop it and say joking. If she seemed receptive, flirt more.

You must must must play it by ear.

>>33507050
Oh we're both single, vibes were good, I wouldn't say in the palm of my hand good, but it def wasn't negative, maybe she's humored it in her head or something.

Thing is, this isn't my first time with her, last year I tried to make a move on her several times and got rejected on all, but this year at some point she did a 180 on me, actively messages me, actually wants to hang out too, what's going on

I seriously don't get it. I am not khhv and have been on dates and a small relationship at one point. Why are you all letting your fears and doubt get you down. A girl is going to find you and use you if you just let yourself shine. I mean really you all you sit in a corner complaining about everything, why not use that time to express yourself? Why live your life in that corner. I am upmost the least expected person to not be khhv and I made it, and you can too.

Any very introverted robots were with a sweet and cheerful girl before?

I dont mean the quirk chungus or traveller types. I think my sad life is missing an extroverted social girl who will drag me to niche cheap places. I am trying to see how I can convince a girl like this to go out with a sad introverted man like me but I dont know if it only happens in movies and tv shows..

>>33507977
Brother, you are looking for a manic pixie dream girl, which is just a movie trope.

>invite a friend out
>she replies with
>"Maybe"
>"We'll see"
That's a no isn't it bros? Why won't she just say no then?

Help me out fellas really wish I could work something out with her. For context, she rather sought after, I know a few guys who couldn't even get her number. She told me she doesn't have a lot of contacts either.

>>33508168
I'm not sure what your goal is, are you trying to get with her?

There are guys getting shot from insanely angry boyfriends and you are over here worried about a woman not having any positive feelings for you. I mean like really bro. Respect her feelings bro.

So is it really ALL about dick size in the end? If you have a massive cock, the girls will literally want to share you.

>>33504701
Update:
>Greet her with a hug, she wasn't into it
>Still chatting was good, she stared into my eyes even when drinking her coffee, like absolutely glued.
>While walking to the next spot she reveal she has a husband in her home country
>Rest of the hangout was chill, but I made it clear I meant this to be a date
>We still have a good time, I still touch and flirt with her, she shies away but seems to be having a good time
>At the end, she hugs me very long and tight, tells me she's sorry it wasn't what I expected
>I grab her waist and tell her "it's all right we can still kiss" while looking into her eyes, we dont
>We laugh and say bye
Welp too bad, but it was cool, I enjoyed the places I took her to, I'll have to redo it with another. I won't text her, but I feel like she got excited with the hip grab. I don't want to cuck a man, but how was it not clear to her I wanted a date? I would be pissed if my lady hung out with a guy at all much less one she met on the street.
Shes European and it's not the first time I've experienced this. Once I was cuddling with a girl in a bar who had a bf. We didn't kiss but she was eye fucking me

>>33508259
>are you trying to get with her?
Yes. So I'm trying fish for thoughts when she said "maybe we'll see" when I asked her out. As I said a lot of guys I know got the boot when they asked for her number. Well she gave it to me with no hesitation.

>>33508583
>Well she gave it to me with no hesitation.
You called her a friend, so I assume you've known each other for awhile compared to, who I assume is random dudes

Maybe means no, if she was into you or wanted to chase you, you'd get a solid no room for misinterpretation yes, what you got are low commitment non-answers , not something you'd give to someone you wanted, right?

>Talking to a really cute girl on bumble
>Says she gets a lot of messages so that's why she couldn't reply on time
>Ghosted after the last convo
I have already texted her two times, should I text her one more time hoping she sees the message or is it all ogre and she decided to fuck me off. I don't wanna lose hope she's the only girl I actually liked on this god forsaken apps...

>>33506382
She doesn't think about you or care about you. Don't waste your thoughts on such people and go no contact with her. Just ignore her completely if she ever reaches out, she most likely won't anyway.

>>33508626
Things like that happen all the time anon. Don't do anything

>>33508586
>You called her a friend, so I assume you've known each other for awhile compared to, who I assume is random dudes
Not really a while before I got her number. Less than a week even. We talked only a few minutes every day on the way to work. We talked more since then but we don't work at the same department so not a lot of opportunity for long discussions.

>Maybe means no, if she was into you or wanted to chase you, you'd get a solid no room for misinterpretation yes, what you got are low commitment non-answers , not something you'd give to someone you wanted, right?
Yeah "maybe" normally means no. But she's also the type to say things straight up no holds barred. Once she called her boss a negro because he was giving her shit one day in one of our exchanges. Doesn't mince words. Also kind of stand off-ish so I'm just not sure if what I got was a definitive no. We've known each other for a little less than a month now though. Fucking hell dudes some girls are so complicated.

>>33499577
Dude, I texted her..I wish I didn't. she replied but I haven't read it because I know it will be something lame, like "have a nice life" "you werent horrible" and not "I love you come back to me." I was NOT ready.

>>33507220
Get it to very good vibes at least.

Actively wanting to see you isn't the same as actively wanting to have sex with you. They're not the same.

You will have my time, sons

>>33508626
You should delete dating apps, they are not designed for you to win. For you specifically. A woman is clearly disinterested in you, you havent even met and it breaks your heart. Apps are for people with better attractiveness and/or with higher experience and emotional resilience. You should switch to IRL, where you are competing only with yourself

>>33508885
I told you to let her go, didnt I? I told you that you are just delaying your transformation, right? Okay, you are human. Ive been there, it hurts a lot and your judgement is clouded

What did you message?

Also you have negative predisposition (you are manifesting negative results) and fear of bad news. Read her message, what os there is already there. And you taking your time to respond is your given right

>>33508549
Incorrect. Big dick is a bonus, that is true. But average dick armed with confidence and competency beats big dick without them all the time

>>33508168
For a woman if its not a Fuck yes, its a no. They a vague with rejection so you wont fly of the handle. Because there is always few guys in their past who met rejection with violence and aggression

>>33506840
You are outsourcing your failures on your dad. Wanna funny news? Almost no one had a good dad. Prisons are full of daddy issues men, this thread, streets, malls, society. The state of current world is such, because good dads are rare commodity

So you can bitch and moan how you lost a lottery, while born white (which by itself is a hugely rare chance) at the time where you can learn and improve yourself into the best dad anyone ever had. Its your choice to stay weak and miserable. You are not limited by your father, only by yourself

>>33506458
Why would women be here?

And what do you need help with exactly?

>>33506199
Love posts like this because you can just see how different and encapsulated someone worldview is sometimes

>>33509150
I am improving my self. I've lost 80 pounds but I still have to lose another 40.
The real problem is the immense misery I had to suffer, and the twisted social situations I now have to deal with because of how socially inept I was.
All this time I have to now wait just to fix things that should have never been broken. And of course the future is uncertain and there is no lack of doomer discourse all over the internet that asserts that its over for someone like me. It makes me very uneasy and angry.

Just have a good personality bro

>>33509451
You opened with an extreme pick up line; I wouldn't even use that on my long term girlfriend as a joke.

No complaining of "just have a personality bro" will fix ignoring social norms.

>>33509585
what if you have no idea what social norms are because you've never been social in your life?

>>33508786
It's only complicated cause you're trying to make what you want to see a reality

>>33509699
Then you're going to need to learn the hard way, over and over and over, until it gets better.

You all just need to find the right one who likes you for you and that's all there is to it. You just encountered a lot of women who couldn't accept the real you, but if you keep looking you will find her.

>>33509585

even she said "i wish cute guys would say this" and "you're disgusting" and you STILL think it's about saying the right pick up line? jfl you can't be helped

>>33506861

Stop trying to be “smooth”, that’s what lands you in LJBF (let’s just be friends) territory. That's why you're not getting laid.

Per Cialdini’s Influence, boldness signals high value because it frames you as the selector, not the seeker. Kino escalate early, lock eyes, and drop a sexual spike like, “If we were alone right now, I wouldn’t be talking,” then let the tension hang. That unapologetic confidence and outcome independence makes her feel the sexual tension and flips the attraction switch instantly.

>>33509870
Perhaps smooth was the wrong word then, I meant natural, I don't want to be abrupt or something

>>33509879
Natural ≠ timid. Abrupt is just boldness without hesitation. Women respond to certainty, not charm points. Just keep it direct, keep it playful, keep your frame.

eg “I’m taking you somewhere private right now, whether you like it or not”

>>33509847
Yeah so what? Did you think the stupid pick up line set the mood? You want play, play the game. Otherwise you can enjoy your hand. Jfl

>>33509969
>Otherwise you can enjoy your hand.

you are a fucking loser blaming me for being ugly. and no, i am not enjoying my hand, i am going to prostitutes you probably can't afford.

the pick up line literally doesn't matter. it's about the face of the guy who says it.

Why let one small negative event in your life with women define every woman you see? It makes no sense. Yeah your dream girl got away but like me you'll find another one and be just as happy without her.

>>33509979
That shit was coming up on a year ago. Get over yourself. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your own asshole, you'd realize how pathetic you are.

>>33510122

you are bullying me for a condition i was born with, you are the pathetic one

How do I meet girls as a 32 year old neet (not poor, have my own place/car).
I've never been to a bar in my life and don't have anyone I could go out and do things with. I did what I could with my looks but I'm bald so a lot of women find me inherently repulsive.

>>33510136
If you think anything I've said has been malicious, then good luck. Women will straight up eat you alive.

Fix your attitude and stop the stupid pick-up lines. Maybe then women might be more attracted to you.

>>33510070
>Why let one small negative event in your life with women define every woman you see?
Human beings are by nature extremely unintelligent when it comes to self-reflection and value building. All it takes is a handful of bad experiences with any one thing and people pretty routinely shut off the logic portion of their brain and just react with reflexive emotion.

>>33510151

just use a good pick up line bro!

How do you get into casual relationships or hookups? I just broke-up with my gf and I still need time to process, but I'm horny and miss the easy sex.

Is Hinge+Tinder still the go to? Do you still need to have a first date and do the whole process? How do I convey to the girl this?

>>33510151
>If you think anything I've said has been malicious
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but you are legitimately a retard. You think that everyone can just work hard and they will achieve what they want, you think that life is a meritocracy. You are completely stupid.

Have you ever thought that a 5'2 Mexican dude can beat Michael Phelps just with hard work?

Have you ever though that no amount of hard work can make a 5'2 Indian beat Michael Jordan?

Have you ever thought that no amount of "jim" can make someone look like Chico Lachowski?

You may think you are not being malicious, but you are malicious. Just like Mao Zedong wasn't didn't think he was being malicious when he starved 120 million people. But he was absolutely being malicious. Have you ever heard about the saying "hell is full of people with good intentions." Yes, this phrase is about people like you, that don't accept reality as it is. Looks matter, and if you're born with a weird constitution and face, your options are very limited.

We live in a world in which a guy saved his girlfriend from a fire, and she broke up with him saying he looked hideous, and she would rather he left her to die in the flames. But to you, looks don't matter, it's about inner work. Do you realize what you are saying? you are saying that the problem with this guys, that saved his girlfriend from death is not his face, but his "personality", really? The guy that risked his entire life to save people has to work on his inner self? LMAO.

Go fuck yourself, piece of trash.

>>33510151
>If you think anything I've said has been malicious
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but you are legitimately a retard. You think that everyone can just work hard and they will achieve what they want, you think that life is a meritocracy. You are completely stupid.

Have you ever thought that a 5'2 Mexican dude can't beat Michael Phelps in swimming just by working hard?

Have you ever though that no amount of hard work can make a 5'2 Indian beat Michael Jordan in basketball?

Have you ever thought that no amount of "jim" can make someone look like Chico Lachowski?

You may think you are not being malicious, but you are malicious. Just like Mao Zedong wasn't didn't think he was being malicious when he starved 120 million people. But he was absolutely being malicious. Have you ever heard about the saying "hell is full of people with good intentions." Yes, this phrase is about people like you, that don't accept reality as it is. Looks matter, and if you're born with a weird constitution and face, your options are very limited.

We live in a world in which a guy saved his girlfriend from a fire, and she broke up with him saying he looked hideous, and she would rather he left her to die in the flames. But to you, looks don't matter, it's about inner work. Do you realize what you are saying? you are saying that the problem with this guys, that saved his girlfriend from death is not his face, but his "personality", really? The guy that risked his entire life to save people has to work on his inner self?

>If you think anything I've said has been malicious
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but if you think that everyone can just work hard and they will achieve what they want, and that life is a meritocracy, you're delusional.

Have you ever thought that a 5'2 Mexican dude can't beat Michael Phelps in swimming just by working hard?

Have you ever though that no amount of hard work can make a 5'2 Indian beat Michael Jordan in basketball?

Have you ever thought that no amount of "jim" can make someone look like Chico Lachowski?

You may think you are not being malicious, but you are malicious. Just like Mao Zedong wasn't didn't think he was being malicious when he starved 120 million people. But he was absolutely being malicious. Have you ever heard about the saying "hell is full of people with good intentions." Yes, this phrase is about people like you, that don't accept reality as it is. Looks matter, and if you're born with a weird constitution and face, your options are very limited.

We live in a world in which a guy saved his girlfriend from a fire, and she broke up with him saying he looked hideous, and she would rather he left her to die in the flames. But to you, looks don't matter, it's about inner work. Do you realize what you are saying? you are saying that the problem with this guys, that saved his girlfriend from death is not his face, but his "personality", really? The guy that risked his entire life to save people has to work on his inner self?

>>33510151
>If you think anything I've said has been malicious
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but if you think everyone can just work hard and achieve whatever they want, and that life is a meritocracy, you're delusional.

Have you ever thought that a 5'2" Mexican man can't beat Michael Phelps in swimming just by working hard?

Have you ever thought that no amount of hard work can make a 5'2" Indian man beat Michael Jordan in basketball?

Have you ever thought that no amount of time in the gym can make someone look like Chico Lachowski?

You may think you are not being malicious, but you are. Just like Mao Zedong did not think he was being malicious when he starved 120 million people, but he absolutely was. Have you ever heard the saying, "Hell is full of people with good intentions"? Yes, that phrase is about people like you, people who refuse to accept reality as it is. Looks matter, and if you are born with an unusual body type or face, your options are very limited.

We live in a world where a man saved his girlfriend from a fire, only for her to break up with him afterward, saying he looked hideous and that she would have rather died in the flames. But to you, looks do not matter, it is all about "inner work." Do you realize what you are saying? You are claiming that the problem with this man, who risked his life to save someone, is not his face but his "personality"? Really? The guy who risked everything to save another human being has to "work on his inner self"?

>>33510136
I hope you can get better brother. Yes, looks matter, but maybe, just maybe you can change how you look to reflect your inner self, having a low body fat can help, maybe surgery if there's a huge problem, but more than that, being healthy is more important, if there's something you can do to look better but can endanger your life and health, always choose health.

I CANT DRINK AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FRIENDS. HOW DO I STILL GO OUT AND HAVE FUN AND MEET PEOPLE TODAY

>>33510302
I won't read overly long walls of text not taking responsibility for your own life.

>>33510438
>I won't...
Here's a new collar for you

>>33510468
I won't respond to pathetic deflecting attempts at humour in order to make yourself feel better.

My online dating experience is set back by my cuck smile. I have some rare 9/10 rated pics on photofeeler, but they are getting old and you always get rated by your worst pic and need more than two.

I have this trained shy, forced, "pls be nice to me" cuck smile that i do on every photo and it ruins every photo i do ever

How can i fix this? I only get likes from fat and older women because women see my as some harmless beta provider because of that

What expressions do you do on your profile pics?

>>33510658
I don't smile in any of my photos for the same reason. As long as you don't scowl or look surly you'll be fine.

>>33510658
so quit smiling. I just mean mug and flex my jaw in pictures

>>33509129
Yeah I thought I was going to be able to stop myself but I couldn't. I was about to meet up with a girl who reminded me of her, it was a strange feeling. (Didn't work out, she was married)

I messaged
I realize I have a lot of problems within myself that I need to solve before I can love properly. The whole time I treated you horribly when you gave me tenderness and respect. You are a truly amazing woman and I hope you achieve everything you set your mind to.

Right after I sent it I realized I wasn't "horrible" so I knew I fucked up.

She said
hello, you don’t have to blame yourself that much. During the time we spend together I didn’t felt like I was treated in a horrible or a disrespectful way.
I hope you will solve your personal problems and be happy as well.
Have a nice day

Exactly what I thought she'd text. It's not have a nice life but day, but still it's goodbye stop talking to me

>>33510302
Shut the fuck up

>>33510438
"Life is a meritocracy bro! Just work hard and good things will come to you!"

The fact that you refuse to read ironically explains why you think like this.

>>33511554
>I don't like being refuted with solid arguments man, just stop it, I want to believe good things come to good people and that's it

>>33510323

It's my face and skin color. I'm not fat and complaining about that, that would be fucking stupid.

Surgery is something I will actually try.

>Go regularly to a coffee shop
>See new barista, beautiful girl, very young, looks a bit like a young taylor-swift
>Very closed off from me, doesn't bother conversating or eye-contact
>Then, later, a long-time (female)friend of mine starts working at the same coffee shop
>We hug infront of beautiful barista girl
>beautiful barista girl starts opening up more to me.

>Soon, Within just a few interactions she starts asking me to do shit for her.
>"Anon could you please adopt a cat for me"
>"Anon could you please give me money to travel"

I'm actually more shocked than anything, can someone explain this shit to me?

>>33510143
Swipe on apps, if you match that means they are fine with your looks. Then take girls out for whatever you feel like doing, lunch drinks activities.
>>33510247
Yes apps. Setup your profile to imply that kind of vibe. Promps short non serious jokes casual pics. Your pictures are very important and will be the main variable in the amount of matches you get, assuming you're somewhat ok looking. Do not become their pen pal just ask them out after a little small talk to gauge their interest. As for dates just plan to get drinks talk flirt joke around, if the vibes are good escalate over the night then invite them over to "watch a movie",they are not stupid and know what that means. Post sex talk is a good time to be open about what you’re looking for.
>>33510346
Go do some sport. I like to go bouldering you can become friends with the other regulars talk give tips climb a bit together if you happen to meet at the same time.

>>33511168
Should I say,
"But I slapped you and spat on you almost every day"
Its been a month, I'm sure she'd appreciate the humor, it's our sense of humor

>>33511618
Social proof

>>33511618

PUA coach here

She didn’t suddenly “become friendly.” She clocked you as preselected the second she saw another woman hugging you: Classic social proof spike. Before, you were just another customer. After, you were the guy women are already investing in.

Now she’s testing. The “adopt a cat” and “give me money” aren’t genuine requests, but compliance tests. She’s signaling interest, but only if you can flip the frame and lead. This is female strategy 101: she wants to see if you can turn that social proof into sexual tension. She’s basically saying, “I’m open, but show me you can make it happen.”

According to Robert Greene in The Art of Seduction, flipping a favor request into playful, high-value banter builds sexual tension. So when she says, “Could you adopt a cat for me?” you could smirk and say, “Tempting, but will you thank me for it tonight?” Then hold her gaze. Then you passed the shit test.

>>33511641
Interesting point anon.

However, she looks VERY young, possibly under age.

If she asks me for anything else I'm going to have to go with caution.

But I think you make a very interesting point of turning a favor around and seeing what happens.

Why do women have to communicate this way though?

>>33511638
This is very powerful, actually. I wish I learned it long ago

>>33511756
Your fat/ugly she's fucking with you. Just find some way you can get her to come with you to your car and grab her

>>33511801
Absolutely. It's an excellent shortcut.

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>>33511582
I won't read messages blaming others.