Thread 149983662

Very interesting article, in which internally Disney executives admit the MCU has failed to attract 13-28 year old males. The animation and Pixar recent works the past decade also fail to get this demographic. With these brands failing, they also admit reboot exhaust is setting in, especially among males in this age group, and that new originals are needed to gain this audience. The future is not Marvel or Lucasfilms anymore.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/disney-marvel-lucasfilm-gen-z-1236494681/

Suck my dickkkkkkkkk

They're gonna make The Incredibox Sprunki Movie starring Jaden Smith and Ian Hecox

>>149983662 (OP)
None of that shit matters at all if their top producers are still going to enforce a rule that the lead be female and likely gay, and all of their script writers only ever write teenage girlboss main characters.

Disney executives can make noise all day about how they want the male demographic, but they aren't going to really achieve that without purging a sizable amount of their production team.

>>149983662 (OP)
maybe stop making stuff that goes directly against what they want to see and maybe they'll start watching again

>>149983679
I heard TFS Krillin

>>149983662 (OP)
Let me guess.

>>149983733
>We asked 5 middle-aged women what 13 year old boys want to watch, and they all said the same thing: Hallmark love triangle Christmas movies. This is the same answer they gave for every demographic.

man this board is HURTING for traffic, I feel like even in November-December there's going to be a clear pitfall in regular users

>>149983762
Kek this is the first good use of the mutt meme I have ever seen

>>149983762
Saved
Gonna start using this to bait /v/tards

>>149983662 (OP)
>Disney executives admit the MCU has failed to attract 13-28 year old males.
If that's what they wanted, why did they do things with the Marvel brand that doesn't seem like it would appeal to that demographic? Pre-Disney Marvel did appeal to 13-28 year old males in... Various ways... But Disney seems to have gone out of their way to scrub that away in some weird attempt to have more "universal appeal".

>straight male human protag
>cute/attractive nonhuman female characters
>action, violence, cool abilities, well choreographed fight scenes
where’s my billion dollars?

>>149983762
Notice how most of those movies are old and unpopular relative to anime.

>>149983775
I replied I would make another thread in that one because I think it is a more interesting article and complex topic then that shit twitter screenshot rant thread

>>149983762
>adult men only like one type of thing

>>149983762
Good point. They should make something that feels like a Kubrick movie.

>>149983790
The one on the right is more attractive. She has more character than just "hot woman."

>>149983791
nowhere, because this retarded board doesn't actually support anything

>>149983840
Noo!!! Make Pokemon!!!

>>149983662 (OP)
But this was the whole reason they bought Marvel and Lucasfilm in the first place. The cognitive dissonance continues.

>>149983762
>Woman Rank and Men Rank
>Delta
Explain this for a brainlet please, it’s hard to tell what the numbers are tallying

>>149983662 (OP)
I hope things work out for them, but I don't have much faith in things working out for Disney. They've always had this issue where they want to be a brand that appeals to brothers and fathers in the family, but they're so set in their ways that every time they try to make something for boys, other people at Disney sabotage it, overestimate rival IP in the theaters, or don't give it enough time or support to be high quality.

It happened with their live-action movies. It happened with their animated movies. And it happened with the IP they bought out! As long as Disney revolves so religiously around princesses and musicals and stories for young girls, it is pointless for them to try to appeal to boys if they don't fucking commit and stop having such a complex about their bread and butter.

>>149983968
Big delta = big divergence in preference between the sexes.

>>149983968
Largest difference in evaluation between men and vaginas.

>>149983858
Unfortunately, her archetype is overplayed now

>>149984012
You ever wonder how things would be if Atlantis or Treasure Planet succeeded?

>>149983871
>doesn't actually support anything
except cooming

>Disney executives admit the MCU has failed to attract 13-28 year old males.
This is the same Disney that heavily pushed for Blade to be a fourth wheel in his own MCU debut film.

>>149984055
Probably the same, but Atlantis would get its animated series.
Traditional 2d movies were sabotaged to prop up 3d animation.

What sucks is Marvel and LucasFilm could have stayed money makers. Instead of appealing to men and boys, the people who kept those afloat for decades, they thought the way forward was to appeal to the geek chic tourists and women.
For Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy hired a bunch of whores who didn't like or understand the IPs they were going to be working with, and said nothing when their Cluster B personality disorders rapidly turned Star Wars projects with budgets larger than the GDP of African nations into public therapy sessions about their daddy issues or how Harvey touched their vajayjay for their first big promotion. Indiana Jones and Willow belly flopping onto the concrete at terminal velocity is proof that without the Star Wars name, their shit flies like a tungsten zeppelin.

With Marvel, they've made the mistake of only upping the stakes and scale of things after Avengers Endgame, when the better idea would have been to step back, wait a few years, then start adapting existing stories for street level heroes, rather than just letting Taika Waititi or some other shitheel make whatever they want without reading the damned books and expanding out into the multiverse.

>>149984012
>As long as Disney revolves so religiously around princesses and musicals and stories for young girls
They didn't for like 70 years, shouldn't be that hard to pivot back.

>>149984055
We can use the Emperor's New Groove, Hercules, Tangled, Tarzan, Tron, Wreck It Ralph, Stitch, and Aladdin as examples where they made stuff that boys liked and it was either successful or wasn't a bomb.

>got a spin-off show
>got a direct to DVD sequel
>got lots of merch
>got comics in Disney magazines (man I miss those)

That's pretty much it...which is also another problem with Disney. Whenever they do make stuff that boys end up liking, they don't know what to actually do besides going "but how can we make this for girls and PTA soccer moms"

WALT DISNEY PICTURES PRESENTS THE MR BEAST MOVIE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

There's literally nothing TV and film can do to compete with video games. We may as well all accept it. They could make the most manly and profound thing ever and COD would still win.

>>149984152
GUYS

I JUST FILMED FIVE MOVIES IN FRONT OF A CHINESE CONCENTRATION CAMP

IF EVEN ONE OF THESE PRISONERS MANAGES TO SURVIVE HALF OF THESE CHALLENGES, HE WILL WIN A FREE TESLA

>>149983662 (OP)
>keep releasing what they're releasing
>stop making it DEI hire mary sue womyn power wokeslop
>stop forcing gays/trannies/etc. as leads who are 'erhm, ackshually..."the smartest in the room at whatever field they're a part of
>?????
>literally profit

>>149983662 (OP)
I am part of the Gen Z demographic as a 21 year old male. I have never cared about Marvel let alone have I watched Marvel film, and the most I have cared about Marvel content at all is when Spiderverse came out. I will say this, Disney is seriously misguided if they think they will EVER get me to care about the MCU or any of their liveaction slop bullcrap. I would much prefer if they made an Oswald cartoon in the modern day, but instead they have shut down every attempt over the years and now they're doing exactly what I hate, making liveaction slop with Oswald and to rub it in the wound it's not even a full series. As for original content, we're already fucked because the most recent Pixar movie announced is rip-off Flow and every cartoon network including the Disney TVA division seem to be struggling to even make cartoons now. LITERALLY the only way they could turn this around is if they actually invested in a bunch of ideas without running them through the corporate demographic filter, but that's not gonna happen because Disney is full of corporate buisnessman who talk in money, not art or passion.

>>149984111
It was Frozen that got them stuck in this rut, honestly. They weren't expecting to make that much money on it, but then boom! Huge success with little girls, so like all corpo cocksuckers, they go for what they think is the sure bet.

>>149984069
Disney's MCU was always faggy and kinda lame and it only got worse over time as the franchise became more driven by "female empowerment". Toward the end of the original Avengers run, and culminating in End Game, MCU was ham-handedly shoving girl power wankery into every film. I was bought a ticket to the new Fantastic 4 film, and it seems the trend has not abetted at all, and has, if anything, even worse.
>yes let's put a live birth sequence that lasts over 10 minutes into our action super hero film
>let's have the woman giving birth do quippy lines about her cervix dilating! that will have them rolling in the aisles!
>every male character needs a female character to pine after, and if two male characters are the only ones on screen they should talk about a woman
IDK maybe a woman can explain the appeal, but nothing about this film made me want to watch it again. Why would I, when it means sitting through the live birth sequence again?

>>149983662 (OP)
I'll believe it when we start getting mass firings of upper management. Specifically the women, freaks, and beta-males.

>>149984181
Disney will never admit that they fucked up and reverse course. They're riding it out until they're completely irrelevant cinema-wise and have to rely on their legacy IPs and parks forever.

>>149984219
It was a thing even before frozen, tangled got its name because they were struggling to get the male audience

>>149983762
Based, fuck weebs and fuck weebshit

>>149983724
Two of these things are not like the others

>>149984248
NNNOOOOO MOM MOMMY DONT TAKE AWAY MY HENTAI

>>149984218
It is surprising how much popularity Oswald got, despite not being featured in anything

Disney's not willing to make the films that young boys and men want to see. They should simply cede the demographic to other movie-makers who are willing to approach the audience where it is, instead of trying to gaslight boys into liking feminized entertainment.

Personally I believe the issue is simply the sheer quantity of entertainment and the complete lack of filtering of it.
>90% of culture is shit, 10% is good, only now there is just so much stuff that finding that 10% feels harder.
>Past is filtered via what is remembered because it was truly good or we are nostalgic for it.
>We don't remember the bad films that played against the hits.
>A quick look at the paper would tell you movie times and give you reviews.
>A video store had a set number of movies and your expectations were lower, you'd watch a bad movie because you rented it and wanted your moneys worth or you'd watch a good movie several times.
>Now it isn't this movie vs that movie, it is movie vs streaming vs video game vs podcast.
>Super competitive space that is difficult to filter stuff.
>Streaming has too much stuff leading to choice paralysis whilst the committee mainstream films trying to appeal to the central demographic all feels samey feeling like there is no choice.
>Streaming increases your expectations, unlike the video store, if you don't like a film simply switch.
>People are super desperate for cultural phenomenon because they bring societal connection e.g. Infinity War/Endgame, Wednesday went viral for a TikTok dance, Tiger King went viral over lockdown.
>At the same time people are pulled in so many directions.
>Studios keep overhyping things to try and make them artificially go viral which has the opposite effect of super poor word of mouth hence how the term overrated has become overused because people see through the hype.
>Fear of Missing Out (FOMO) with big universes and franchises worked to get people to watch out of anxiety but overtime the effort became too great so people burnt out.
>Comfort viewing free from hype and expectations like watching The Office or Seinfeld became massive.
>Even now if you appealed to this generation, they don't care because they don't believe you (hype and marketing is fake) or they're watching Youtube.

Why bother doing any of that when you know this fucking faggot is gonna buy out another male dominated franchise anyway?

>>149984527
Is there any free now? Most are already part of another big conglomerate, unless they hit the public domain.

>>149984626
Indie's and obscure webcomics are there for you

>>149984527
>another male dominated franchise
Like what? What is left?

>>149984636
That doesn't solve Disney's problem. They want to buy a large built-in male audience similar to what they got when they bought Star Wars and Marvel. Both these brands were already hugely popular with young men before Disney. They didn't have to work to promote them, especially not Star Wars which was already a cultural institution among young men, and Marvel had several hit movies out and were founded on popular male superheroes.

How is buying some no-name indie IP going to give them access to an audience they can't appeal to?

>>149983662 (OP)
This was the entire reason they bought Star Wars. The whole point was to have a male demographic franchise, and they started their whole Force is Female shit.

>>149983968
>Not being able to understand a basic-ass chart like this
I weep for our education system

>>149984638
>"And we'd like to welcome the newest member to the Disney family. Everyone, say it with me now, Skibidi..."

We’re about to see girls treated the same way guys have been treated in media for the past ten years, aren’t we

>>149984749
Ryona isn't mainstream yet.

>>149984672
>How is buying some no-name indie IP going to give them access to an audience they can't appeal to?
>No Name IP
You do realize there are some indie's that made it big right?
Also everything disney produces is sanitized and inoffensive for the masses. Nothing they produce can offend anyone.

>>149984794
What "indies"? What on earth are you talking about? What has a big enough audience to sate Disney's immediate, desperate need for a large built-in male audience? There is nothing out there they can buy that solves their problem. Buying some indie IP doesn't fix it.

>>149984685
The mishandling of of Disney SW is genuinely baffling.
The franchise was more popular with kids in the years with no movies between the prequels and sequels, than at any point during the sequels.
People even seemed to consider TFA an okay, if a bit formulaic start to a new saga, giving them a better leg to stand on than the prequels, and they somehow still completely fumbled it.

The target audience is on a completely different planet from Disney

>>149984102
>For Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy hired a bunch of whores who didn't like or understand the IPs they were going to be working with
not really. kathleen's problem is that she made the exact same mistake george made with the prequels, hire a bunch of yesmen while firing anyone who told her "no".

case in point, almost everyone of her star wars projects ended with a completely different creative team from what they started with because of "creative differences".

>>149984865
the problem with youtube views to me is that it doesn’t account for autoplay, bots, and jeets

Didn't we have this exact thread just now? With the exact same screen cap?

>>149983662 (OP)
they should do what they did at the end of chicken little and make really exaggerated action retellings of their prior movies

>>149984865
I genuinely fear having to live among creatures raised on this stuff.
I know fags are going to raise shit like Newgrounds as a counter argument, but Newgrounds, while popular on the early internet, was by no means mainstream in the general populace.

>>149984825
Five Nights at Freddy's and indie mascot horror.
Hence>>149984865

>>149983662 (OP)
>LET IT DIE LET IT DIE
>LET IT SHRIVEL UP AND DIE

>>149984894
Isn't that pretty much what they live action remakes are?

>>149983775
>>149983811
Sure it could be worth talking about but the well is also poisoned by troll farms and autists overwhelming real posters. Look at shit like >>149983762. There's something to be said about adults complaining about woke or whatever but then realizing they only talk about media for children and preteen girls. But that image is nonsensical with how it drags in east vs west shitflinging and compares to old movies with an unexplained ranking system. That previous thread was also a template thread. It all feels like bot and troll farm engagement farming.

>>149984896
Also newgrounds stuff, while often dumb, wasn't quite as cynically profit driven. The turning point came when people started to realize you could make a living putting shit online

>>149984772
And that's a bad thing.

>>149984772
But humiliation rituals are

>>149984913
No, I'm talking something more like lightyear (but done right) where they take the characters and make new stories that are totally different from the source material.

>>149983871
Sorry but this meme is a horrible example, this guy has no story to begin with, it's just OC's in a white background most of the time. This is a comics and cartoons board, not "/ic/ but faster."

If they want to appeal to the men they should just do any animated series of a female streamer with the male PoV

>>149983762
>No The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Did they not want to step on Dollars or what?

Why don't they fuck off instead.

>>149983662 (OP)
I heard a thing called star wars and they love the shit out of spiderman, ironman, hulk and (anything wtih man in it) comic cartoon books. boys love those 2 things

Disney's never going to be "cool" because they're deathly afraid of cool fights and violence.

>>149985126
The movie is generally liked by both sexes.

How about cool hot women doing cool hot shit? Or cool awesome dudes doing cool awesome shit. It's not that hard. The toxic masculinity nonsense Disney helped forced down the throats for the last decade real rejected most male fans.

>>149985337
We were so close to maybe getting to that point with stuff like Tarzan, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet.
Too bad Disney got cold feet.

Why can't Disney's team of writers: Qui Nguyen, Adele Lim, Carlos López Estrada,Prasansook Veerasunthorn, Peter Del Vecho, Juan Pablo Reyes, Harvey Guillén, and Ramy Youssef make movies that 13-28 year old boys want to watch?

>>149984865
The mostly nothinburger article OP posted has a point relating to this:
>But Disney is not leaving the job of courting Gen Z entirely up to the film group. Concurrent to Greenbaum’s hire, the corporation bought a $1.5 billion equity stake in gaming juggernaut “Fortnite,” which will incorporate Disney’s iconic stable of characters. Two sources say Disney does not, however, enjoy movie rights to “Fortnite” itself, which would seem a no-brainer in luring Gen Z to theaters.
I could see in the long run theatrical movies become a sort of legacy thing they do every so often just for prestige, like glorified ads for the company

>>149985424
>Japan
>doesn't think about America
Anon, come on. Japan and America think about each other more than any other pair of countries that aren't currently at war and probably a good chunk of the ones that are.

>>149985424
>The rape of Nankingers not having any blood on them
>The Toyko Disneylanders not caring for the west media
Lol
Lmao

>>149985585
Anon, you can't just push random keys and pretend they're real names.

>>149983662 (OP)
>Win Back Gen-Z Men

that ship has sailed, nigga

>>149983790
Right design has more porn than the left one

>>149985607
Correction; Japan thinks of fantasy America.

If they aren't working how about you sell them off, you greedy asswipes.

>>149983762
Two of the three films on the left were "art crowd" movies that were never made for mass audiences.

So you're really just exposing yourself as not knowing what you're talking about.

>>149983762
this is the most jewish post in the history of /co/

>>149984738
already snapped up lol

>>149985657
Right design was in a mainstream major studio movie.
Left design was in an obscure comic long before anyone could even pretend to give a fuck about them.

>>149983762
>no one mentions anime
>SHUT UP WEEB

>>149983762
>east vs west faggotry

enjoy your ban

>>149985660
Which surely isn't a two-way street or anything

>>149983662 (OP)
They never learn. From Ghostbusters to Doctor Who. From Star Wars to Marvel. From James Bond to Lord of the Rings.
Trying to make women like a male dominated franchise will only alienate original fans. Hollywood can suck my cock.

>take a bunch of male centric series from marvel and lucasfilms
>remove anything that appeals to the males
>"why don't we have a male audience?"
I still cannot comprehend the stupidity.

>>149984218
Man, are they really putting Oswald in that half-assed live action meets "2d" animation garbage train?

The Oswald story I'd like to see, if it's not just general hi-jinks, is him coming back into Mickey's life.
Like he comes back and see's his younger brother living the life their father had planned for him, but he sees the toll it has taken on Mickey and how work has crushed his soul to the point where he's not even sure what's left under all the masks he's forced to ware all the time.
So he kidnaps his younger brother from work to force him to have a vacation where the company can't find him. The whole thing would be Mickey getting back in-touch with the person he used to be and them pulling some old toon antics on the company when they get back.
Maybe have Oswald finally convince Mickey to propose to Minnie already. They've been dating for almost 100 years now, just make it official already. Make a huge deal about it, enough to appeal to Disney's greed.

>>149983787
you enjoy your ban, too

>>149985390
I also forgot to add that Disney's name is associated with either girly shit or baby shit. To the point where referring to something as Disney/Mickey is shorthand for something with no stakes or deaths. Their best bet would be letting Fox make stuff aimed at the demographic they seem to want.

>>149984306
It isn't honestly.
They made him co-lead in a prominent video game series with some edge and gave him a very intriguing personality and sympathetic backstory that connects his overall history.
That is a setup for a character who would be very appealing for this male demographic, perhaps the only one Gen Z got into. Oswald could be the basis for how this company could attract men if they could get this dorky rabbit somewhat popular
Thing is, they will not take inspiration from it, and even for the character itself with the new show do not even seem to get why he became popular again in the first place. They are just going for some sellable mascot roaming around Disneyland as an advertisement show, they cannot help themselves trying not to make it for females.

>>149985753
I don't understand why this seems to be taboo to point out. Even the article here doesn't mention it. Disney HAD franchises that appealed to males. They then made those franchises NOT appeal to males. Do they seriously not get that? And what makes them think the same thing wouldn't happen to any new IPs they create for men, somewhere down the line?

>>149985681
They'll probably sell off Marvel when Doomsday inevitably flops

>>149985874
They will never sell Marvel nor Star Wars
Too much money as IPs for the parks alone (even without most Marvel for Florida) let alone merch.

>>149985901

Yeah, merch. Like all those Star Wars toys rotting on shelves.

Why don't they just make a Star Wars movie or a Marvel movie whose protagonist is a straight white male?

>>149983662 (OP)
Stop canceling shows after one or two seasons.
Put out more shows too. Japan has four or five new anime shows every week. CN, Disney, and Nick might put out one every year.

>>149985933
I thought they were? Isn't there one with Ryan Gosling or some shit.

>>149985727
just report them and ignore

>>149983762
>adult men

Have you seen Gen Z males? I'd hardly call them men.

At least they still have family guy. Everyone wants to watch another episode about Lois and Meg and Chris Parnell baby

>>149986035

Chris Parnell baby died over a year ago.

>>149986054
See, Disney's doing something right

>>149985923
Yeah, it is called they overproduce it since they make so much, it is an intentional strategy like with how they overproduce food products at grocery stores. But that shit still sells
They make billions per year from merch. If fucking Stitch alone makes 2.5 billion you know Star Wars is too. That is more then paying for their purchase of the IP

>>149983662 (OP)
>spend years demonizing boys and men with dogshit shows by hiring gay writers that only want to appeal to girls
i guess this attitude is finally fucking them over

>>149984012
>>149984111
Reason why Disney opted for fairy tales was because pretty much the entire world even back then knew about them. They had to maximise the potential target audience because feature length animated film was an unproven and risky concept. Example musicians at the time hated Fantasia and said it cheapened the classical music. Target audience for Disney originally was "Families", something for kids, little nudge wink jokes for adults. Fancy dancing singing princesses for girls and just enough adventure, slapstick and horror to interest boys.

At some point princhess merchandise just took over everything and Disney products became mainly for children only. After the Disney's 90's revolution started petering out the "kids only"-slogan eventually molded into "girls only". Thats the main reason why they bought the Marvel IP in the first place. So Disney would recapture the boy audience with superhero toys. For some reason they just had a massive brainfart of letting women design new products for boys and the result is losing the boy audience completely.

>>149984218
>I am part of the Gen Z demographic as a 21 year old male
stop making me feel old

>>149983858
>The one on the right is more attractive.
landwhale hands wrote this

>>149985923
My nephew has a whole bunch of Spider-Man, Hulk and Ironman toys. Visit any toy shop and boy shelves are still full of them. Funnily enough they're all the classic versions of superheroes, none of the MCU stuff.

>>149986135
It's fucking EVERYONE over, and not just in entertainment, either. It's actually really funny seeing so many industries and even politicians desperately realizing they need to appeal to males or else, but they've just forgotten how to do it, or they were incapable in the first place.

>>149985713
I can't think a better person than Michael Bay to adapt this shit

my brain still fails to understand how do you manage to make star wars fans renounce star wars while actively wanting to get money from said fans

>>149986186
Very true.
Bay is aggressively pro male. Only he has the IDGAF attitude to appeal to teen boys.

>>149986216
They thought that since star wars fans were already fans, they didn't need to appeal to them any more.

See >>149984411
This pic.

I think there’s something to be said about actually being able to appeal to a male audience in this day and age, but for the life of me I will never understand the demographic of people who can only relate to (i.e. they unironically self-insert as) middle school or younger boy characters

star wars i get, but is marvel really struggling though? feels like it's the m-shit-u's problem than the company itself.

>>149986335
Nobody buys comics any more, including Marvel comics.

>>149983762
I bet a lot of girls would go ape over Lawrence of Arabia

>>149986332
Zoomers are too much parasocial depended, to the point they cannot read in 3rd person.

>>149986186
I am unironically looking forward to seeing Transformers-level presentation for this, I'm sure he's so happy to be doing it

>>149986335
> but is marvel really struggling though
Marvel is doing so badly that a DC film was able to outgross everything they released in 2025. A Superman film that will make less than the GOTG films.

>>149986216
Don't hire a contrarian director to make your mainstream mass audience product. They will squander your money intentionally to make an artistic statement.

>>149986369
They wouldn't. Lawrence of Arabia is too long for their attention spans.

>>149986370
Yeah that tracks

>>149986408
fine then a supercut of all the homoeroticism

>>149986181
Their main issue isn't even that stuff isn't appealing ,it is that they made cost of living so high on top of it that everyone checked out of society. Because house prices are so high no one can start a life anymore unless you had wealth, no one can start a family now, and people who used to put in work effort to get this now can barely get by if they did so, if that. That is the #1 issue now. Why no one is going out and engaging the way they want to
The wealth steal is complete, but for some reason they never thought of the consequences of what they planned going up to them.

>>149986389
40 MILLION FUCKING DEUTSCHMARK, BOB.

>>149986335
Movies getting cancelled left and right. Marvel toys sell like they always do. The toy merchandise is the real reason Disney bought the IP.

>>149986389
Rian didn't make a statement though. He went straight back to good vs evil and swashbuckling space adventures right at the very end of The Last Jedi after attempting to deconstruct that for the first 2/3rds of the film

how well would Disney's Return to Oz appeal to modern boys?
It's probably my favorite Disney film, but I'm in my 30s

>>149983724
TADC doesn't belong here.
And as much as I fucking hate it, Hazbin doesn't either.

>>149986449

Not at all. Oz is a female franchise now thanks to Wicked.
......
Well, females and gays.

>>149986312
The misunderstanding that people like stuff because they like the stuff, instead of people liking stuff because of reasons, have done immense damage to the entertainment industry.

>>149986446
Rian by his own words tried to subvert expectations. He was there to shock people like an artsy film-maker, not to give an entertaining adventure.

>>149986425
I wouldn't call it homoerotic but women think any strong male friendship is gay.

>>149986435
That glosses over the hostility that the entire cultural industry has had towards men, especially white men, for a long time. This goes back decades. Did you know that no white male writer born after 1984 has ever had a short story published in the New Yorker? Not one.

It's not just economics, it's an active antipathy towards men, especially young men and especially white men. The reason for their desperate attempts to course-correct now are that the election clued them in to the fact that men are responding to this antipathy by turning right-wing, and all of a sudden the powers that be realize they need to nip this turn in the bud if they don't want to have a Freikorps/Waffen-SS situation on their hands. Making money is only the beginning: it's about trying to preserve the sociopolitical order now that they realize the alienation of men presents a direct threat to it.

>>149986471
Well he still failed at that because the end of the movie is standard Star Wars shit

>>149986477
still has a decent female audience

don’t worry saars, we WILL win

>>149983662 (OP)
Lemme guess: their brilliant idea is gonna be some lgbt bullshit.

>>149986499
Yeah but thats what Star Wars should stay as. Its just space swashbuckling adventure. If Disney wants to milk it forever, then they simply need to set the cast or characters in new adventures in different planets full of different aliens and perils.

Indiana Jones and original Star Wars share lot of similar DNA because they're both inspired by the same old cliffhanger adventure tv series that both Spielberg and Lucas used to watch as kids. That concept is so simple that you can basically milk it forever. Trying to change it was the big mistake Lucas and then Disney made. Fucking One Piece of all things understood that you can just write a new goofy island with new villain and new chick with massive boobs and rehash the same story forever.

>>149986486
You are correct in that they play hand in hand, but the economic realities matter far more here. Because now it is play vidya and browse social media. If cultural media still appealed to us, they would still be locked in their bedrooms, but now watching this appealing media instead. Because people still cannot start a life even when working with the middle class being destroyed. Media does not fix this core issue nor will fix the birth rate
And they are worried with people going extremist, but they will be because they stole the future form everyone. More then just right wing, but left wing too. The politics shift the last 5 years is because of this, and the current American administration is very tame and traditionalist to what we will eventually see, regardless how leftist or rightist it is

>>149986592
Sorry friend, but this isn't the South Park shitposting thread.

>>149983762
look at those smash box office movies on the left!~`

>>149985855
>Disney HAD franchises that appealed to males. They then made those franchises NOT appeal to males.
It goes deeper than that. Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars specifically BECAUSE their attempts to break through to young male audiences with films like Atlantis and Treasure Planet weren't working. They scooped up two of the most popular franchises for adolescent and teen boys specifically to target that market, and then they decided to shape them into all-inclusive, all-gender, all-ages fare, which not only drove that demographic away over time, but cultivated a generation of guys who hate them and want them bankrupt.

>>149986679
Anime has never had a single true box office success and none that made 1 billion or more at the box office
Even China had a film that made 5x anime's highest grossing film
I tis an objective failure of a medium outside terminally online nerds

>>149986710
Didn't help that New Line Cinema was eating their lunch with Lord of the Rings trilogy. Had a zoomer intern in my working place who had never seen those films so me and my colleagues pushed him to watch them on a weekend. He ended up marathoning the whole thing and couldn't shut up about them for the next week. Kid absolutely loved them.

>>149983662 (OP)
cast Sydney Sweeney for Felicia Hardy.

300 IQ hire.
Problem solved.

>>149986865

Go on...

>>149986795
>Came out at a narrow sliver of time when practical effects had been perfected, and CGI was good enough to do stuff where it was necessary, but not so good that they could rely fully on it
>Happened to come across the one guy in Hollywood who understood that this needed to be a trilogy, even though they had originally pitched is as a duology, to try and be realistic with their pitch
>Given 1½ years to shoot the entire trilogy, before the first movie would even be able to show that it would be profitable
The LotR movies aren't perfect, but they sure as fuck are a miracle of film making.

>>149986865
Her hair is too dark. Black Cat has white hair.

>>149986865
Facts

>>149986908

She's actually a brunette.

>>149986717
Even as a kid that was a furfag I didn't like anime until later in life

>>149986903
>and CGI was good enough to do stuff where it was necessary, but not so good that they could rely fully on it
That never happened. Best looking films for the past 10 years have been the ones who used more practical effects and used CGI to color correction, cover up the strings and cameramen.

>>149986414
Sorry, phone poster, but there were articles about it, young people just don't like 3rd person narratives, and they are too self conscious, always asking if they are liking the right thing.

>>149986960
I meant more in the sense that the film makers felt it was "good enough" to just use it for whatever, wether it actually looks good to the audience.

>>149986795
That was me 3 years ago when I first saw them. Those shits are crazy good. Bless all the niggas who worked on them.

>>149986995
Ironically "good enough" CGI became expensive enough that it made practical effects feel like a feasible option again. Hiring an army of 200 3D animators for 2 years vs taking the film crew to film in the desert for a week.

>>149986984
>always asking if they are liking the right thing.
basically the retarded swarthoids on this site for the past 10-ish years kek

>>149983762
thanks for this v funny

>>149986468
It is a cult, they even shame the fans for not going to the cinema enough

>>149986865
Gunn will snatch her up for Power-Girl while Disney hires another uggo mutt thing like Zendaya instead.

>>149983790
You chose the worst image for it. Right is objectively hotter.

>>149984240
I agree that the birth giving scene was a bit longer than needed t be, but

>every male character needs a female character to pine after

Are we really malding at straightshit? kind of a self report. Also, if you'd read comics, you'd know that Johhny has way much of a gooner and a pervert in the comics, it's literally one of his few actual personality traits. A least the movie made him smart too. Or are you complaining that Reed has a wife? Or that ben is loved by a woman despite his looks? You kind of lost the plot here, dude.

>>149986468
>>149987061
Its just what happens when your californian entertainment industry is oversaturated with nepo-babies instead of real talent. You end up working with people who don't know what they're doing, think they're best at everything and don't have any stakes on the success of the project because their rich mommies and daddies will bail them out of their mistakes regardless.

>>149983764
I feel like a lot of media nowadays is this. Just a bunch of people who only cater to themselves and ideas rather than the context/structure around them that is the real bulk of storytelling.
Unrelated hypothetical, but say if I was in a focus group that wanted to know my idea for an original IP I'd give a joke answer about one man's quest to castrate Hollywood but then when he gets there he finds out everyone who has run these companies has lost their balls a long time ago.
Though a serious idea would be Disney to just start up a touchstone style company for men's media in animation or whatever, or just bring back touchstone and just start putting out movies that are not tied to the Disney name.

>>149987044
More or less, I saw a controversy involving selfcest

>>149984411
Interesting points, I just feel like the people who actually read super hero comics stopped caring and the new generation doesn't read comics. On top of everything being pussified nowadays.

Go to Applebee's, go to the kitchen, ask the dishwasher if he's finally burned through his one-hit wonder checks from the song he wrote in 2009, and have him score your movie.

>>149983790
I will dissent and say that the midriff plus very long ponytail combination looks cuter.

STEPS TO MAKE THIS WORK

>make a hot saucy Judy Hopps type character with large cans
>make lead guy white coded
>make his friends black coded
>by the end of the movie he gets the girl and the black guys give him the n-word pass
>his new gf also turns goth and its revealed he has a large dick

there. male audience between 13 and 30

>>149983724
Skibidi toilet is unironically the best one of all of these

>>149983871
This comic feels like it's missing a blue bear.

>>149986717
>>149986958
How many anime movies actually get released in over a 1,000 or more theaters or screens?

>>149987298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd7NxNsY14

>>149987655
Pokemon the first movie
Pokemon 2000
Pokemon 3 the movie
Pokemon 4ever
Pokemon Heroes
Pokemon Jirachi wish maker
Pokemon Destiny Deoxys
Pokemon Lucario and the mystery of Mew
Pokemon and the Temple of the Sea
Pokemon the rise of Darkrai
Pokemon Giratina and the Sky Warrior
Pokemon Arceus Jewel of Life
Pokemon Zoroark Master of Illusions
and that one Dragon Ball Super one

Don't they have star wa-
Oh wait they made that into a girl series.

>>149983762
If you are male and don't at least like Lawrence of Arabia and Dragon Ball Z I am going to assume there is something wrong with you and we will not get along.

Awww yeah what does the critical drinker have to say about this?

>>149987822
Whatever he's already been saying
American movies are dying

>>149987822
I will be honest, I hate rightoid doomers.
>NOOO! You don't understand! THE MOVIE INDUSTRY NEEDS TO DIE! DIE I SAY! THEY DON'T DESERVE A CHANCE TO WIN US BACK! WHITE JESUS TEACHES NO MERCY!

I'm sorry, am I the only one who thinks it would be a bad thing if the western movie industry died and we would now way of cultural export? If we were forced to watch chinaslop and have our values and thoughts shaped by those?

>>149987993
>WHITE JESUS TEACHES NO MERCY!
Your mind on /pol/

>>149987698
Thanks. I'm surprised the first few made almost $10 million.

>>149983662 (OP)
They say this yet they’re also making
>more live action remakes
>multiple star wars movies and shows based on previous sagas and spin-offs
>marvel movies based on huge IPs like Avengers and Spider-Man
>Frozen, Zootopia, Incredibles and Toy Story sequels
>Tron Ares
>reviving old cartoon sitcoms like Phineas and Ferb and King of the Hill
>new pirates of the Caribbean movie
All the while cancelling any original show when it doesn’t make a billion dollars. If they’re serious about this, commit. Cancel all Marvel and Star Wars projects and fully invest in original ideas. You’re not making a cool new IP with half measures.

>>149987993
Pretty sure right wingers are just begging them to make movies for men again and not gays.

>>149983662 (OP)
Gen Z Men? Disney is fucking stupid. Disney is an infantile effeminate brand. So they will NEVER win the attention of grown men. Everyone who is an Adult Man in current year understands that Disney has no appeal to male audiences young and old. The only way for Disney to trick male audiences is with a fresh new generation aka Gen Alpha. Come to think of it that's how Millennials got tricked by Disney, the Disney Renaissance that seemed more male focused for a few films like Tarzan or Lion King. Millennials are one of the few generations of men who bought into Disney because of their seemingly more balanced media from the Disney Renaissance.

But given all the horrible things Disney has done after the Disney Renaissance that are anti male even Gen Alpha boys understand that Disney is Girl Shit. May Disney die. Disney will NEVER fool a generation of boys ever again especially with eternal evidence like how Disney killed Star Wars with Feminism. That will forever be on Disney's record. There is no taking that back.

Disney is an estrogen factory and may they die. I will celebrate whenever I hear that Disney's girl brands start failing like Frozen Shit or Lilo and Stitch and other trash. And to the ones who disagree? FUCK YOU!!!

>>149987993
We've ben getting forced chinaslop for 7 years, nothing would change

>>149983662 (OP)
The only thing that Disney has going on that could appeal to Gen Z males is Kingdom Hearts and lets be blunt Kingdom Hearts does not have a good reputation in recent times. The story is badly written shit. And the gameplay has seen better days.

And Gen Alpha boys think Kingdom Hearts is embarrassing cringe shit that only old people like. Disney is mega fucked.

On a side note I laugh at the Epic Mickey Remaster that thing failed on every console because male audiences think of Disney as lame shit. Gen Z did not buy Epic Mickey's remaster.

>>149988018
You laugh but I actually encounter more and more retards who say that a "good christian must righteously hate". And no, it's not only on /pol/ and /x/ threads. I actually meet these retards on the street.

>>149983662 (OP)
>The animation and Pixar recent works the past decade also fail to get this demographic.

Lets face reality Disney has NEVER had the attention of men. Disney has always been garbage for girls. And with how big Disney has grown as a corporation their usual clientele cannot sustain them.

My hope is that they burn bridges with vaginas. I want to see even STUPID WOMEN abandon Disney. I want Disney to remake a live action Frozen but race swap Elsa into an ugly Indian woman or something like that. I want Disney to die. And after that I want Universal to die because they are also Leftist Jewish Shit.

>>149983662 (OP)
They need to take the lolipill then tell the dykes in the head departments to fuck off. We're literally not allowed to have fun because some roastie dyke gets offended over flat cartoon girls.

>>149983733
You forgot another thing, Disney will also hire UGLY women for said roles.

And in case a woman has breasts? Disney will CG censor them. That's what happened to the black actress from Black Little Mermaid, her breasts were CG removed making her look flat chested. Disney is outright shit.

>>149988164
All these companies are infiltrated by shitty aging spinsters. North America has the second highest rate of spinsters worldwide. These shitty ever aging biological dead ends are the ones companies are hiring and worse promoting to positions where they don't get fired.

As a Disney example Jennifer Lee is a failure and she recently got demoted for failing for multiple years. I repeat she failed and created blunders but Disney did not fire her. She still works at Disney but demoted. This is the industry we have right now. Full of shitty women who won't be fired and this is why western entertainment is shit.

>>149988164
>us based pedophiles amirite fellow channers?
consider suicide.

>>149984012
>I hope things work out for them

Got to disagree. I want Disney to die strictly because they are shit for girls. And since twats love ruining male franchises and frankly male existence including employment I take JOY in watching anything feminine suffer. Seeing Disney in pain is fun to me. I want every Disney division to fail so that they suffer and die.

Even better if disgruntled employees without a job anymore assassinate the board of directors along with Bob Iger and his shitty family.

>>149985271
Good idea, Boco. Infact, why don't you go join them...preferably in a busy freeway.

>>149983662 (OP)
Gee, I wonder why. I wonder how this could have possibly happened?

The sad part is they aren't going to scower the country for some indie creative or niche fandom and give it a once in a lifetime angel adaption. They're going to just ask all the woke brown lesbians to make up something and they'll decide to use it as an opportunity to "educate" them about how they're "supposed" to behave.

Also, that pic. I guess we can see what demographic they want.

>>149988058
>Okay, the protagonist is a big, jacked straight dude, he served in the army for 10 years, when he gets home, he finds his younger brother being in a gang selling drugs so he-

WAIT HE IS BLACK?! RAAAAHHG! DEI! WOOOOKE! SJW!

>Okay, what about a white straight man then? Story set in the north, it is about a viking man who fights back against the spread of Christianity in his ancestral homela-

NOOOOOOOO! HOW DARE YOU! NOT MY WHOLESOME CHRISTIANORINO!

>Okay, how about a white christian who fights in a war agaist the traitors to protect the values he believes in?

Continue...

>He fights in the civil war against the confedera-

HOW DARE YOU! NOT AGAINST THE /OURGUYS/ REEEEEEEEEEE!


No, anon, they don't want "the average man" represented, they want their own very niche and extreme bullshit represented. If you think they are any different than the woke retards, you are mistaken. They just don't happen to be in power in the movieindustry right now, so they need to first normalize their less extreme worldviews, so they can later get the extreme out there.

>>149983679
It's crazy that not only did they own Boba Fett, they made two Boba Fett shows and somehow wound up with something poison to boys and men both times.

In the 70's they would've literally made something called the Blade & Boba Fett Action Hour that was three 20 minute shorts of Blade and/or Boba Fett going on adventures packed into one with tie-in lunch box and action figures.

Nowadays Blade couldn't even get made because it was "problematic" to sideline the black guy for a girl power narrative so they didn't even bother and Boba Fett was about Boba being fat and stupid and needing a snarky woman to tell him what to do.

The fact that we actually reached this point is astonishing.

>>149987993
Through death is life. If we want genuine art, including animated art, to resurface in the West, a whole lot of dead flesh is gonna have to be cut off. And if Disney can't adapt, that's going to have to include them too.

>>149983662 (OP)
>the future is not marvel or lucasfilms any more

and that is by design

>>149984111
Disney has always been shit for girls. Get over it. See this character? Turns out Mickey Mouse has NEVER been the first official Walt Disney Production for the company it was the Alice Comedies. A live action combined with animation mini series about a girl exploring a cartoon world. Disney is for girls end of fucking argument.

And no boy was probably excited to watch girly movies like Lady and the Tramp because again Disney is for girls. And you have to remember examples like Lady and the Tramp aren't Disney Princess films. I think the only time in the early era that Disney made a male oriented movie was Pinocchio. The rest of the time their media is soft and feminine trite.

>hey kids, you like Star Wars? You like Superheroes? Well here's a white woman having a meltdown for 2 hours
And it would've worked if they didn't try to frame them as sympathetic protagonists
https://youtu.be/3LTI_Y_TrFo

>>149983790
They thought that since they were a "big brand" everyone was forced to consume their slop whether they wanted to or not. No, that's not an exaggeration or wisecrack, that's what they actually thought. In their mind boys had no choice but to watch it anyways and be gradually influenced by what they were seeing while they simultaneously were going to draw in all the viewers they didn't have for infinite money.

The reason that people focus on 13-28 yer old male demographic is because those are the people who are most likely to watch things, especially when they're male. Women are busy buying clothes and trying to run around seeing if they can get people to hit on them, or watching trashy reality shows. Non-White men are busy running around smoking weed and listening to music because they don't have the attention span for regular media consumption. Older males are busy with hobbies and families. White Males 13-28 are where your money is at. You don't have to like it, but it's still the truth.

>>149983662 (OP)
>Ruin 2 multi-million, probably billion, dollar franchises with shit writing
>"Why don't people watch our movies anymore?"
Disney deserves to wither and die

>>149984995
This needs to be a movie/tv series aimed for guys who want their Disney characters to be as cool as anime characters and as quirky or edgy as mcu characters.

>>149983791
Unfortunately they don't want to fix the problem or hire anyone outside of their Synagogue mailing list.
>>149983840
It's Disney. They should be trying to make stuff like So Weird, Gargoyles, Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid, Lizzie McGuire, and Kim Possible.

>>149983871
There's literally a 50 part El Goonish Shive storytime going on with Anons conspiring to join the authors Patreon to influence the comic's direction. I'm sorry nobody liked your movie about gay dogs licking each other's dicks.

>>149984012
The company really went to crap after Walt passed away.
>>149988258
Oh screw off, they were never just the "Girl company" they made Fun and Fancy Free, they made all of their shorts. Was Goofy Plays Golf supposed to cater to little girls? Even in their theatrical movies they had Pinocchio, Dumbo, Song of the South, The Jungle Book. They even made Kingdom Hearts for crying out loud.

>>149984243
And you forgot the Jews. Its big boss Jews who are hiring these shitty employees and promoting them.

>>149984124
They've made countless short films that weren't aimed at girls. Even some of their live action stuff like Boy Meets World, Even Stevens, etc.

>>149985337
They need to get over it. This is trumps America now. Being a violent and crude rebel is the norm now. Plus America loves violence and edgy stuff especially anime, Disney needs to create a anime version of beloved wholesome Disney characters. Nintendo is basically Japanese Disney and that concept is organic over there

>>149988454
And how popular were your examples compared to the contemporary media of the time?

You mentioned special shorts like Fancy Free and Goofy's sports shorts. But how successful were those compared to say Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry? We both know Tom & Jerry along with Looney Tunes kicked Disney's ass.

And you have a lot of nerve mentioning Kingdom Hearts. That series grew to become a laughingstock. Gen Alpha who is into shitty gay games like Deltrarune about how being a Lesbian is destiny and fate mock Kingdom Hearts for being embarrassing fan fiction shit. I repeat young peopele who are into gay shit like Undertale and Deltarune insult Kingdom Hearts because they find it shitty. That should speak volumes. And Kingdom Hearts could never compare to other action series like Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry. Kingdom Hearts has a reputation but a negative one.

>>149985781
Yeah, bro. Johnny Tsunami, The Thirteenth Year, Luck of the Irish, that shit was all about the little girls. Gargoyles, In a Heartbeat, So Weird? Baby stuff for toddlers.

>>149988460
kek

>GARSH, DONALD! AH'VE GOT EM NOW, DONALD! HIT US WITH YOUR SCREW BEAM AQUACK! AH'LL SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR MY SON MAXEY! AHYUCK!

>>149988391
Except for books, like you said women are the ones that go out and shop for shit so they are the ones that actually go into bookstores.
Because of this the industry has contorted around their desires for the last 20 years.

>>149984245
What Legacy ips? Disney has exhausted the Classic and Renaissance era good will with soulless live action remakes. The only thing they haven't touched is Frozen and Tangled and Pixar for soulless remakes.

The Disney theme park had a bad summer thanks to Universal's Epic Universe expansion with Nintendo. This was overdue because its about time Disney's overpriced park started to fail.

>>149988304
Eh, I like Book of Boba and Mando S1/2. Didn't watch 3 cause Cara Dune got axed over political shit that doesn't fucking matter

>>149988547
And books suck ass as a result.
Last series I read that was marginally ok was name of the wind and that feels like it was ages ago.

>>149983662 (OP)
Wait, wasn’t getting a male audience the whole reason they bought marvel in the first place

>>149984012
There is a reason why Aladdin and The Lion King are liked among boys compared to the rest of the catalogue.

>>149988520
>Gargoyles

Gargoyles was disappointing as sin. Even back when I watched the show I often wondered "Why doesn't Goliath KILL the villains?" For a character who screamed in the first episode:

"I've been denied everything including my revenge!"

He is unwilling to kill when he has a good reason and opportunity to kill criminals. The fact he refuses to kill cunts and bastards who deserve it made me see him as lame. Don't get edgy if you're not going to commit.

>>149988272
>The sad part is they aren't going to scower the country for some indie creative or niche fandom and give it a once in a lifetime angel adaption.
A dark morbid part of me wants to see how they would manage to fuck it up if they tried. It's the most obvious straight foward thing to scout for and they would still find a way to complete miss the point. You could throw a penny in the restroom at a comic convention and still get a better ip pitch than the first pick from a disney office.

>>149986710
I still think they tanked them on purpose because of globalhomo and hating Lucas for being an outsider than was more successful than all of Hollywood combined, but lets set all that aside for a moment and pretend it wasn't that.

They should've PAID ATTENTION to what they were doing. This talking point has been beaten to death and back, but they spend $4 billion on SW with the express purpose of bringing in boys and then...what? They just didn't pay attention to Kathleen Kennedy going: "The Force is Female!" and saying it was going to be "a woman-centric franchise from now on."? They at no point thought that was counter-productive to the entire reason they bought it in the first place?

When George "Star Wars" Lucas himself wrote them THREE ENTIRE MOVIES for FREE on top of that and they THREW THEM IN THE TRASH and offended him so badly he started calling them White slavers and saying he made a mistake in selling it to them they didn't think to poke their nose in and see what was going on? They didn't even pay attention enough to see if the idiots in charge had thought to OUTLINE the trilogy of movies they were spending another almost $3 billion on?

There's no excuse and there's no coming back from that. If you're that incompetent the only step forward is going out of business. Maybe one day someone else will fill the void, but there isn't a scenario where they suddenly turn things around. That's it. It's over.

>>149984315
That will happen eventually but it won't be shitty estrogen companies like Disney who do it.

In time male franchises will become public domain and I can see real masculine fans taking over. Though I curse Disney because they're the bastards who made copyright last ninety five years. So I really hate them for that.

I won't live to see it but the idea of public domain usage inspiring actual masculine creators to give companies like Disney and Universal a middle finger would be great.

>>149983662 (OP)
Disney is going to make cool boy stuff again?
LETS FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!

>>149988058
To be fair, the movie industry would rather keep killing itself than to do that

Blood sacrifices to the old gods have been forgotten.

We must slay the demon whose eats the cheeks of young famous girls. Then, and only then we can give the right sacrifices.

Right now guys want to be told what they want, what they need to dress and eat. Instead we are telling the girls, they are the guys and the guys aren't falling for it. Dudes like being cool, getting the girls, and knowing their generation isn't stuck. Stop making manly thing for girls and let girls be girls again. This is why the rom com genre died.

>>149984248
>coping /co/ troon

>>149986717
>popularity=quality
Using that logic Demon slayer is better than al western comics ever made.

>>149986984
>but there were articles about it
Holy shit there were articles? At first it sounded like a retarded pile of horseshit but now that I know purveyors of truth such as Fox and CNN wrote articles about it it must be Gods own truth made manifest.

>>149983762
You can tell that whoever has made this was coping hard and fucking yes, it would be cool if Disney made movies for boys and teenagers again instead of the same slop that appeals to no one. Stuff like Treasure Island for example. Also there are anime films that appeal to adults as well like Perfect Blue that have no equivalent in the west.
>>149985752
Animation hasn't been a white man's neighborhood since the 70s.

>>149988572
no. when bigger companies by smaller companies it's to get rid of competition and form a monopoly. that's how capitalism works by design, which is why it will never be sustainable

>>149988836
*buy*

>>149983762
excellently crafted bait that flies over the average /co/mblr users head

>>149986152
It's called ARROGANCE. Disney bought male franchises because they don't need to say it but they were thinking:

Ha ha! We own this thing that you men and boys like! And if you want to keep seeing it we are the only game in town!

What Disney doesn't fucking understand is this, they aren't the only game in town. Warner is still free from Disney's clutches. And then you have Universal. And some of these are Leftist Woke Shit as well. But Disney continues to underestimate how much competition exists for them, there's the internet there's Japanese gaming. And no amount of SHITTY American Jews can change the reality that foreign media is what has the attention of male audiences. Look at how many dudes are excited over that new Ninja Gaiden video game a game about a Ninja who uses his sword to BLOODILY cut off heads of his enemies and he has a HOT BABE as his assistant. Disney....no Shitty America can't compete with that. And it must leave them seething that they can't do anything to stop such media from being created.

And even if the Homosexual American Government tries to block foreign media? That will only make male audiences HATE the Homosexual American Government and corporations all the more. They would divorce even further and maybe even turn radical. Don't try to take what little entertainment men and young men have because you don't need much testosterone to want to KILL people after all women are expert child killers all things considered. So these assholes better watch it because I would lose no sleep if I heard any rich Jewish son of a bitch got horrifically killed.

>>149983762
It was time for 4chan to grow up, and throw out all the toys. It was time to give up the movies made to sell little boys action figures. It was time to acknowledge the artistic potential of the moving picture. To witness expertly crafted stories that had SUBSTANCE, film that had something to say about reality itself. But 4chan refused. For 4chan doesn't care about stories, it doesn't care to THINK, it doesn't care to accept what it means to be a man. It cares about characters, to the point of mere idol worship. Carve out 4chan's favorite superhero out of plastic, and it will purchase it in doves. In all its hatred and ignorance, it will attempt to convince that it is RIGHT for this, that its attachment to childish fantasy is an irrecoverable part of itself. But it's never too late to grow up. To pick up a good book instead of looking at pretty pictures. To appreciate a symphony instead of another shoddy pop song.And yes, it's never too late to acknowledge that film doesn't just have to provide you quick dopamine hits, that film is more than pretty colors. No, it's time for 4chan to realize: Film can be ART.

>>149986865
> Jordyn Jones as Gwen Stacy
> Madelaine Petsch as Mary Jane Watson
> Lilli Reinheart as Felicia Hardy
> Danielle Rose Russell as Betty Brant
> Dove Cameron as Liz Allen
> KJ Apa as Peter Parker
> Jacob Elordi as Harry Osbourne
> Alex Lange as Flash Thompson
> Helen Mirren as Aunt May
> J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson

>>149988971
This is it entirely.

>>149988972
Pay us a living wage and let us work less in our dead end jobs so we have actual time to appreciate art instead just coping with it between exhaustion and anxiety you fucking bourgeoisie snob

>>149986216
I'll say this to be original....

Mark Hammil has done an excellent job in ruining Star Wars in the eyes of Old Fans. Mark Hammil going crazy with shilling Leftist Agendas has rendered the Classic Trilogy as worthless. Now people can't stand the sight of Luke Skywalker. Bravo!

>>149988556
I didn't hate them, but I also know they would have been radically different (and perhaps better) if they had gone in with the mindset of: "Let's make this appeal to males 13-28."

Right off the bat we probably would've had Boba wrestling with some kind of giant swamp centipede on Dagobah while he chased some counter-fitter dude that looked like a humanoid tarantula as the opening to like the first episode.

>>149988547
This is true. While there are men who read books (and it seems primarily fantasy and sci-fi books, though there are a plethora of others) women are the biggest readers of books.

>>149989001
>Pay us a living wage and let us work less in our dead end jobs so we have actual time to appreciate art
Piracy is free. If you have time to browse 4chan, you have time to read a book.
>instead just coping with it between exhaustion and anxiety you fucking bourgeoisie snob
Man up.

>>149988971
>Jews can change the reality that foreign media is what has the attention of male audiences.
I think manga outselling comics has already proved that but the fags working at disney are too braindead to actually make something that would appeal to young men and bots.

>>149985731
I realized Jack is the male counterpart of Xena

>>149986234
Don't count on it. He was a younger man back then. As men age they become Lame Ducks.

Very few men reach older age and still have that male oriented mentality that appeals to young men.

>>149989031
Suck my dick

>>149989071
No. I have hope for you. Become a man.

>>149989036
This is why the solution is to continue to double down on failure ideas. Whether a corporation changes or better yet dies that's not my concern.

As individuals looking for entertainment the best way to nurture a culture with the correct mindset for making entertainment is accelerate all the bad ideas so that it leads to lots of failure and pain for these corporations. And who knows maybe after losing trillions they will change their tune and the culture will start changing. In the mean time we need to encourage as much expensive failure as possible.

This is why I get so angry when I hear examples like the Lilo and Stitch Remake being a billion dollar success. I hate when shitty movies salvage a company because they can't starve and learn a lesson if they get thrown a few crumbs along the way. That's NOT good.

I hate the normies who keep giving companies like Disney the benefit of the doubt. Though I also hate the same normies who went to support the live action remake of How To Train Your Dragon.

Normies should be killed.

>>149986449
>how well would Disney's Return to Oz appeal to modern boys?

How many times must this be said? Boys don't like Female Protagonists.

This is why many of these activists freaks make male protagonists but write them as Beta Loser Males like Finn from Adventure Time or Gumball, or Mordecai from Regular Show. Its to trick boys into watching Lame Males.

But if you use a female protagonist by default in the open you will fail.

>>149986616
It doesn't work forever like you say. One Piece has lost a lot of popularity in recent times at least in western nations. People got tired of the redundant formula you described. And that horrible arc Dick Wang really hurt the franchise.

Even older brands have finally started failing like Lupin the Third. The newer movies aren't doing very well because that shitty franchise is WAY TOO OLD. It's grandpa pretending he's still relevant when he should have died twenty years ago.

>>149988300
I never hear these kinda complaints coming from right wingers?
Usually its just whining about girl bosses and mary sues.

>>149983762
I want disney to make 2D movies again so yeah dbz is a good example.

>>149988621
Do NOT defend George Lucas. Not that long ago he used his Disney Shares to vote to KEEP Bob Iger the same bastard who helmed the destruction of Star Wars. So George Lucas is equally guilty of what has happened to Star Wars.

Additionally George Lucas knew Kathleen Kennedy for FORTY YEARS! He knew that Feminist Bitch for that long and she's never been subtle about her feminism agenda. The fact George Lucas knew this bitch for so long and still promoted her while demanding Disney never fire her? George Lucas is extremely guilty of killing Star Wars.

And I can't wait until that fat and shitty diabetic finally dies in real life. Hope angry Star Wars fans piss on his grave. He should be hated as much as Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger together.

>>149984218
This. They don't realize these brands are dead, and me and you don't give a fuck about them at all. I cared about Pixar until they destroyed that, because I grew up watching the rise of CGI animation and they had some great stories. Disney has the least chance out of all of the studios to survive because the boomers who cemented them are dying, millennials are out of the Disney slop phase, and our generation doesn't give a fuck about their weak, played out IP. If they really want to turn things around they have to make really out there original movies, TV and animation, but like you said, their hubris and corporate stink will forever infect their product. They cannot evolve. The new generation doesn't see them as "magic." Just annoying and in the way and full of shit. They will die. They cannot escape their image, and in an era of internet irony and brutal honesty there is no place for them. They don't have an edge. The product from WDAS, Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilm reflects that.

>>149988041
Disney only makes sequels and live action remakes because they know Normies Are Stupid and will buy them without thinking. Normies are the only reason this horrible company has not died.

Normies Are Stupid
Normies Are Stupid
Normies Are Stupid

>>149983662 (OP)
>"we need a male audience!"
>create/buy male-focused IP
>"we could make more money if we made it appeal to girls, too!"
>lose male audience
>we need a male audience!"
around and around we go

>>149989302
Got to disagree in certain respects. If Disney keeps banking on girls with their shitty girl media like Inside Out which is original and makes BILLIONS then they got nothing to worry about. However, the thing that will truly fucking kill Disney is....

The day that women LOSE their rights.

The day that women can no longer work and have no disposable income? That will be the day that Disney cries BLOOD in their eyes. A woman with no disposable income is useless to a company especially one like Disney whose bread and butter is Female Clientele. When that happens Disney is dead because if Disney pitifully tries to crawl back to men and boys by then their reputation precedes them and they are rightfully hated by the male sex.

>>149986332
This. Or only watching things with characters of their same demographic. I don't get it. I just want good stories with a bunch of different characters. They haven't been able to work that out.

>>149983662 (OP)
okay here's my pitch: Basically there's this high school girl except she's got huge boobs. . .

>>149988655
>This is why the rom com genre died.

The rom com genre has always been SHIT! I don't care if today's modern agenda is to not show straight couples I'm glad this shitty genre has died because of all this.

Rom com movies are basically showing high status men inexplicably falling in love with shitty low class women usually single mothers. Rom com is shit and every husband I see that got dragged to those shitty movies explained it was a miserable experience. Titanic by that homosexual piece of shit Cameron is easily one one of the shittiest movies to have ever exist. I hope Cameon dies painfully and same to anyone who got involved in that genre.

>>149989361
What in the actual fucking hell are you talking about. Gobbledygook paragraphs about shit that isn't happening.

>>149983662 (OP)
lol
lmao

>>149989438
All I'm saying is that the collapse of western civilization means women will lose the ability to work and have disposable income. That should HURT Disney. Because if you say Western Civilization is healthy you are a dumb bastard.

>>149989432
What I hate about Titanic's romance is how unrealistic it was, yeah a rich woman genuinely loves a poor man? Look there's fiction and then there's shit.

>>149989361
FUNN THING ITS NOT GOING TO BE WHITE GUYS THAT DO IT ITS GONNA MUSLIMS OR LATINOS THAT HATE WOMENS RIGHTS AND JEWS THATS WHAT MAKES LIBERALISM SO RETARDED

>>149989502
but when dragon ball z does it twice nobody complains...

>>149984896
I think this is more akin to kids mixing and matching dolls and other toys and enacting whatever distorted glimpses into adult life and media they've gotten.
Barbie divorcing GI Joe after he tried to run an insurance scam on the car city carpet. The smurfs sacrificing Pikachu on a bonfire of Christmas lights to a (clearly divine) teddy bear. Lego figurines fighting each other and destroying lego houses until they need casts made from toilet paper you first wetted, then applied, then let dry for a form-fitted brace.
It's just part of exploration.

>>149989361
>The day that women can no longer work and have no disposable income? That will be the day that Disney cries BLOOD in their eyes. A woman with no disposable income is useless to a company especially one like Disney whose bread and butter is Female Clientele.
Disney couldn't care less about this because the biggest consoomers are women who don't earn their own money to begin with.

>>149989361
we live in a society that unironically says the sun will explode in a billion years so nothing matters but gets mad at the idea that liberal democracy will collapse eventually as all forms of government eventually do thats why we are not hunter gathers anymore

>>149989545
That’s because neither man is really capable of acknowledging what is even happening until it’s too late so it’s more like a rich girl having a fling with the poolboy, lol. The sheer lack of emotional effect is so telling that it goes right back into being comedy since neither the men nor the women really give a shit.

>Goku
Is canonically so dumb he doesn’t know what a kiss is even after somehow having Gohan and Goten, he just thinks Chi-Chi is his funny little friend who likes to train wrestling with him
>Bejita-sama
Actual genocide-prone warlord. Bulma is rich enough to rule the planet if she wanted to so she’s probably just into bad boys.

>>149983662 (OP)
Okay

>>149989545
Oh, and

>inb4 18
She’s an unemployed abductee with no marketable skills apart from being a living weapon of mass destruction and unlike her brother doesn’t even have a steady job like being a park ranger. Krillin’s the sugar daddy in that relationship.

Also it’s impossible to determine Pan’s status until Toei puts out a detailed cashflow breakdown of how Gohan’s mysterious scholar salary compares to the fortune I assume she has from being Mr. Satan’s daughter.

>>149989564
That meme makes no sense in this context.

>>149989564
he's confused by the concept of a show people want to watch

>>149989564
One day boomers are going to start dying out, and this is more serious than any other demographic because they're the only people who buy cable and cable pays every channel no matter what. If you buy cable just to watch Greg Kelly on Newsmax complain about how Disney is brainwashing America with gay propaganda, you're still giving $40/mo to Disney through Dish Network. You're more valuable than people who have Disney+. One day cable will finally be dead, and companies will have to draw in an audience or go bankrupt.

>>149989692
I for one can’t fucking wait. The death of the industry will bring me nothing but joy. There’s no future in serialised entertainment, the future is freelance content creation.

>>149989643
Presumably the idea is either that Gen Z males already have plenty of things targeted towards them, or that they don't deserves to have things targeted towards them.

>>149989692
It's not the boomers

>>149989263
I will. He's one of the greatest storytellers of all time and one of the most inspirational success stories of all time. Pure, gentile hero.

>>149983662 (OP)
The funny thing about all this is how Disney spent $8.05 BILLIONS to buy both Star Wars and Marvel because its movies failed to attract boys, yet it shitted the bed anyway by wanting to attract females to those male-centric IP it bought.

Now Disney is unironically back to square one as recent Star Wars and Marvel content failed to attract boys. It's almost as if Disney is too stupid to realize the damage was doing until it was too late.
>TIL Disney flushed billions of dollars down the toilet all because it wanted girls to like Star Wars and Marvel despite having the Disney Princesses brand for that same audience.

Off-topic, bit it wouldn't surprise me if Paramount suffers a fate with its TMNT buyout.

hey listen to me
>disney plus miniseries life action hercules that is mix of the disney movie and orginal myth and don't make hercules black
>A faithful gargoyles reboot or continuation
>A atlantis or treasure planet life action film where the main male character are never oneuped by a woman or talked down to by a woman
>A cgi indiana jones prequel with harrison ford voiceing indy and indy is the star
>a orginal disney film about a white teen in the 2000s who's made up superhero comes to life and he finds out his superpower is being himself.
Bam male audience returned.

>>149989200
They whine about blacks all the time for being DEI... Just look up any Miles Morales thread.

They whine about a non-religious person, or a person with the "wrong" religion going up against their religion, even if it's a white guy.

They complain when Fascists or Confederates, -or any short of Authoritarian group really- gets put into the antagonist role too... Or feds, for some fucking reason.

>>149983762
This
inb4 Disney buys Shueisha for Dragonball, Naruto, Boruto, One Piece, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen, Haikyu!!, Bleach, etc., only to repeat the same mistake it made with Star Wars and Marvel.

>>149989917
>mile morales good
bro he's dumb black/latino replacement spiderman with near now redeeming qualities and a DEI hire. I'm white and maga, love static shock, love warmachine love spawn. Shut the fuck up
>How dare the conservatives see that christianity is being made fun of
Correct. We see it. And you want christ to be belittled,we are on to your games and won't stand for it.
>conservatives love authorities even facists!
you fell for the trolling. Those are trolls or conservatives trying to freak you libtards out on purpose. Most conservatives I know want smaller goverment not bigger goverment and hate the feds so, good job falling for it idiot. Plus it's a double negative sometimes, woke writing is so bad, that yeah alot of times, the "evil fascist goverments" would be the better good like in star wars but your libtards sensabilites will never see that.

>>149983790
NGL, it's weird how the Disney's version of Big Hero 6 deviated quite far with a couple characters from the comics. I personally like both Honey Lemon designs, but right feels like she's better off being an OC instead of Honey Lemon.

>>149989940
I'd bet they'd make a retarded series about Kid Goku, Trunks, and Pam

>>149989940
>inb4 Disney buys Shueisha
I doubt they care enough. They definitely don't care about comics and as for animation they are more interested in cgishit.

>>149989988
Can't be any worse than what they're already doing

>>149990008
Have you seen nu-disney? It can be worse.
>>149989988
>series where Pan's tits get sucked by a deer
They are way too pussified to do that.

>>149986477
Didn't he get raped in the film?

>>149989894
*Off-topic, but

>>149986960
>That never happened
What never happened? The point isn't that CGI is amazing nowadays the point is that its a big enough industry where shitty filmmakers now do half the damn film in a computer room instead of just the one or two scenes where its absolutely necessary and the rest with as much practical effects and extras as they could manage.
Ben Hur could never be made today, every scene would be cgi

>>149989967

>bro he's dumb black/latino replacement spiderman
Please refer to
>They whine about blacks all the time for being DEI
You did the meme!
>love warmachine love spawn
No, you don't. You guys love pretending you do. The last thread that discussed black characters had spawn brought up as an example of how sallow the character is and how it's just a character "what was written and
changed to black in the last minute". Shut the fuck up. And don't even TRY to copy random wiki articles about spawn to porve how much of a "fan" you are.

>Hurr duur And you want christ to be belittled,we are on to your games
Once again: Did the meme again award.
No. I don't I hate the pedophile maffia that is the catholic megachurch. I don't mind small churches or other branches of christianity like the protestants. I also rarely ever see people actually making fun of Jesus himself, and when it happens, once again I call it out.

I do however make fun of fake christians and faggots who wield the bible as a weapon... Something something the sin of empathy, something something one must properly hate.


>you fell for the trolling. Those are trolls or conservatives trying to freak you libtards out on purpose.

>"It's not happening. And if it is, it isn't that bad. And if it is, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not our fault. And if it is, we didn't mean it. And if we did...You deserved it. One word as a thousand, it's not happening, and it is a good thing it is happening."

Because never once has a single SINGLE rightoid EVER argued that, -for example, I don't know- The Imperium of Man is the good guys.

>>149989564
That's right, Braly, mock them some more! Throw more dirt on their faces, on top of everything else they've got to deal with. Then you'll be stunned with your stupid face when they're making you face the wall 10 years from now.

Everybody fucking bitches about fascism but nobody seems to understand the actual real physical danger they'd be in if Zoomers turned full fascist and got into power. Nobody seems to have an adequate sense of fear. If they did they wouldn't be so mocking and so cavalier.

>>149990086
>The Imperium of Man is the good guys.
Maybe because the people they oppose will enslave you and murderrape your soul instead of just making you work 20 hour shifts.
hmmm

>>149989917
>They whine about blacks all the time for being DEI... Just look up any Miles Morales thread.
I'm black and I still think Miles is as redundant of a character as Jason Todd, Tim Drake, SamCap, black Wally West, Francine Frye, Olivia Octavius, Lady Octopus, and many other DC and Marvel characters sharing the same mantle. He's basically coattail riding off Spider-Man's popularity and being black/latino character debuting in the 2010's.

Eventually, enough time will pass and Hollywood won't be able to ruin franchises anymore. Like how are they going to do a black woman reboot of FNAF?

>>149990086
>DEI is good
So no it's bad, as you should want good character no matter their skin color.
>telling me what character I do or don't like
bro are you being serious right now? I wasn't away you can read my mind.
>Catholics bad
I'm not catholic, I was baptist and now I'm just christian. So we agree on these points.
>Projection
You just descibed the liberal playbook. Liberals will literally project what they are doing on others so thank you for doing the meme. Also I never said the imperium of man was good and only those who have brain tem i.q or are trying to be edgy would say that. I denounce those people like how I hope you denounce climate activists or PETA.

>>149983762
Kek okay THIS is a good one

>>149990128
That doesn't make them a good guys, just the smallest of all evils, that is the point.
>instead of just making you work 20 hour shifts.

OR turn you into a servitor,
OR send you to be cannon fodder against said horrors that murderrape your soul forever.
OR get killed by friendly fire because the Commissar got a little bit too triggerhappy
OR a Sororita grinds down your dick into minced meat and pours hot steel into your eyesockets for praying SLIGHTLY quiter, and that's heresy.
OR the Astartes come to "help" you in battle, and you get any other chapters than the salamanders.

No you retard, "Working 20 hour shifts" is NOT even slightly all the bad the imperium does to it's citizens. They are NOT the good guys, just the "slightly less evil" guys.

>>149990131
>I'm black and I still think
skin color check or didn't happen.

>>149990086
>>149990164
I will do you on better, I love Steel. i hope they do a new death of superman adaptation in the New DCU and steel is such a breakout character he becomes a mainstay on the justice gang. John henry irons is cool as hell.

>>149990182
>arguing if getting your dick melted off by religious fantatics or geting your dick turned into a tenacle by the other side religious fanatics is worse.
Who the hell cares. All factions in Warhammer 40k suck to be apart of. Major spoilers guys.

>>149990182
>skin color check or didn't happen.
If you say so, bro. It doesn't change the fact I see Miles as a redundant character even after sitting through both Spider-Verse movies.

>>149989894
>it wouldn't surprise me if Paramount suffers a fate with its TMNT buyout.

Its been a disaster. As much as those idiots like to pretend that Seth Rogen Ninja Turtles is a success it is a failure and the sequel is bound to do even worse than the Ninja Turtles sequel that Bay did. And image related is literally unreadable trash.

Ninja Turtles has fallen so brutally as a brand that if you want tolerable writing in a Animal Martial Artist franchise you're better off watching Kung Fu Panda.

>>149989917
>They whine about blacks all the time for being DEI
Yes, hey all are. ALL of them.

>>149990086
>pedophile maffia that is the catholic megachurch
kys

>>149990164
>you should want good character no matter their skin color.
>good character
so a straight white character, preferably catholic, because Christ is King.

>was baptist and now I'm just christian so we agree on these points
kys

>>149990200
No, the other guy is arguing that the imperium are "good guys".

>>149990164
nah, I just have black fatigue, if I never see a nog in any popular media ever again, it will be too soon.

>>149990233
you trolling or are unreachable. Either way the overtone window shifted man. Your what of life is shrinking. Say goodbye to leftism being in power, conservatism is here to stay. Comedy is back and you can sexy characters again, You are welcome. I think the truth is in the middle of conservatism and liberalism but we know your small mind can only see things in black and white. How sad.

>>149989967
>bro he's dumb black/latino replacement spiderman with near no redeeming qualities and a DEI hire
this

>>149990185
>I love Steel
Steel is shit. it is just a black version of sumerman to attract the scholar and doctor audience from a time when you couldn't just ruin a character via raceswap
>becomes a mainstay on the justice gang
no

>>149984248
Seethe & /co/pe
/co/cksucker

>>149990267
I think you replied to the wrong anon. I want that.

>>149990299
cool story bro

>>149989917
>>149990086
>>149990322
Cope. You will be gone in two years.

Cartoon channels stopped making furries. Furries are the moneymaker, if kids see a talking bear or sponge or bird they go apeshit. You show kids a Salvadoran girl with sparkles and depression they're like "I already see that on the bus ride home, who cares?"

>>149990338
bro I been here for 18 years. Trump is your president for 3 and half more years. Cope Libtard.

>>149988520
Gen Z doesn't know what the fuck any of those are.

>>149990321
my bad man.

>>149983662 (OP)
>get one of the biggest boy ips in history
>make it lame and guy so boys hate it
>we need more boy ips!

>>149989338
Yep, this is basic capitalism and the need for unlimited growth to meet quarterly profit increase goals for shareholders
They make/buy a boy brand and at first it does exactly as intended, appealing to boys. But then boys hit a ceiling in market share, and they decide they need girls as well since they are big consumer. So they start toying with the IP to get girls, thinking boys will stay because it’s Marvel and Star Wars. But they push too far and boys lose interest in something now seen as girl media. You cannot have both long term no matter what executives wish
With whatever IP they create to counter the poison they put in Marvel and Star Wars they will make the same mistake. That is just entertainment under the capitalist model

Paramount lost $6.2 billion dollars last year

>>149991147
You are going soft on these bastards. What's happening to male franchises is INTENTIONAL. They WANT to damage boy franchises. They want to leave boys with nothing. They use virtue signaling feminism shit to seem as if they are noble. But in reality it's about attacking boys mentally by tarnishing things they should enjoy.

This is why boys abandon western shit and get into Japanese gaming or simply seek internet entertainment. And I don't blame boys for eventually growing up to HATE and want to kill the Jews funding this shit fest and cunts for being complicit in damaging male entertainment. Can't wait until boys grow up hateful of Jews in western nations.

And who is in charge of Disney? Oh right a SHITTY JEW! A shitty Jew in desperate need of a circumcision one that involves his genitals being burned off with fire so that he can live in agony as a eunuch and then to be tortured because death is too good for Bob Iger.

>>149983801
>and unpopular relative to anime.

>>149983662 (OP)
um, men don't watch disney movies sweetie, you're thinking of women and children

>>149991319
Not even children but Shitty Girls.

Boys think Disney is lame shit. The few times Disney appeals to boys with things like Phineas and Ferb are accidents.

>>149984152
>I JUST SUMMONED A DEMON IN MY HOUSE TO POSSESS MY BODY
>THE FIRST PERSON TO SUCCESSFULLY EXORCIST ME GETS 1 MILLION DOLLARS!

>>149989564
Nearly creator in the current industry thinks like this btw, this is why things won’t get better without a total regime change

>>149991147
>Yep, this is basic capitalism and the need for unlimited growth to meet quarterly profit increase goals for shareholders

Blaming capitalism as if there was no other possible path is retarded cope. Do you know why people used to care about appealing to demographics? Capitalism.

Japan to this day still market things towards boys demographics or girl demographics, and they aren't less capitalists.

>>149983662 (OP)
Maybe it's because Gen Z didn't grow up with Renaissance Disney, they grew up with Direct-to-Video sequel Disney. You'd be loyal to the company for life if you spent a decade seeing The Lion King and Aladdin and Tarzan in theaters but this crop got their Disney films from the Dollar General discount bin.

>>149989564
>SEA diaspora man who created brown girl show #716whatever says this
what a complete shocker!

>>149991527
>ou'd be loyal to the company for life if you spent a decade seeing The Lion King and Aladdin and Tarzan in theaters but this crop got their Disney films
I've rewatched the lion king all the time during my childhood. I am not loyal to disney.

Just picture it. You're in your formative years, learning how the world works, and someone's rattling off about how Disney is the greatest animation company of all time. You finally get your hands on a Disney movie, and it's this:

Considering how well JUMP does, they should take clues from it.

I recommend anons to read "The Right Way to Make Jump! " a manga where they explain their thought process.

On it they mention that they keep the envirement and editors male because they know how to appeal to men. Also they say that if they shifted their take to appeal to women they would end up neglecting their main demographic and alienating the girls that already like their products- because they like it for what it is, not for what it could be.


NOTICE how this contrasts with Disney's approach. It doesn't stop being capitalistic or money motivated, their methods are just different.

>>149989302
There's also the fact that they gold age will start hitting the public domain in a few years.

>>149984749
One can only hope

>>149983662 (OP)
>"we're certainly not the problem with the male-oriented franchises we spent insane amounts of money on, but blaming the customer doesn't seem to be working that well either. its a complete conundrum."

>>149991527
Bitch I grew up with Dreamworks' 2D movies and The Iron Giant. Simba and Belle aren't my childhood heroes, they're Moses, Tulio, Sinbad and Dean.

>>149983662 (OP)
What does seeking mean? It sounds like new property to milk for max profit.
When they offer enough money to the creators or a good compensation when successfull, they would have enough new IPs that could hit that demographics.

>>149991630
Isn't a jump anthology book going to be published in the US starting in October?

>>149983724
This pic is the dumbest thing for this topic.
Everything on this is consumed because it is free and this is the only thing that people make. Everything else that is better and gives you better story is too expensive. Thats why Circus is the only ok stuff in this pic. Because they go for patreon and merch and needs a good quality to keep the money coming.

>>149990131
Carolyn sexo though

>>149989564
>When you hire retards not talented enough to make something profitable or intelligent enough to understand the most obvious issue in the entertainment industry.
This is like seeing a bear trying to get the honey out of a hive of killer bees then deciding to piss both of them off.

>>149987993
>am I the only one who thinks it would be a bad thing
At this point, yes.
Normalfags will watch whatever slop is put in front of them, so I don't care if it's slop made by China or slop made here.

>>149989564
>Why do people hate the creators so much?! It's the corpos making them act like th-ACK

female leads in comics and animation:
>near flawless
>only growth is to be less naive and to believe in themselves more because they were already amazing
>always fully covered up and generic looking or has her old sexy design heavily censored
>if they choose to get the guy they just get him naturally with no concessions made
>always wins every fith easily and never has to be rescued by a man

male leads in comics and animation:
>deeply flawed character
>isn't a worthy person until those flaws are fixed and he becomes better
>has to win over the girl by improving and prove himself to her
>often depicted shirtless or sexually exploited in another way
>gets defeated in a fight or rescued by a woman at least once

wow its almost like there is a huge seixst double standard in how characters are depicted these days.

>>149989916
just make a good thor or captain america animated action cartoon
or better a Luke Skywalker Adventure series
just do not late women and liberals write for it

>>149989564
>Disney would like to try and target the 50% of the Gen Z demographic that is currently untapped by them
>"OMG, Who the hells cares about them?!"
What an odd response.

>>149989564
>shit skin
opinion discarded

>>149988058
pretty much but /co/mblr is too out of touch to realize that
most people here do not even understand what people mean when they say something is woke or how something is sexist/racist towards white men/ white boys

>>149992505
Name 10 examples

>>149983662 (OP)
Didn't they do a whole campaign about how "The Force is Female"? If the idea was to appeal to men what the fuck were they thinking? Like, legitimately I am asking what the hell is going on at the decision-making process at Disney because even the most coked-up lizard-brain CEO in the 80s could figure out how to market to boys, it's not exactly a complicated demographic!

>>149992563
arcane, rebel moon, my adventures with superman, that new he-man show, that new castlevania show, that new devil may cry show, that snyder norse gods show, blue eyed samurai, love, death and robots season 2 and 3, batman caped crusader, marvel what if and that newest disney spider-man cartoon

>>149992461
>he can't even do the -ACK meme right

>>149992596
oh yeah also all life action and animated Star Wars shows aside from Andor

>>149984248
Scully would never say that shit

>>149983947
What Disney did with Star wars and marvel was like buying a hugely popular steakhouse and promptly turning it into a vegan restaurant and then wondering why no one is showing up at a vegan restaurant named super steaks.

>>149984102
What's amazing is how they killed the toy lines which were the real money maker. Sw toys used to be 50 different aliens & then turned it into toys of your sister, her moody bf, your alcoholic mom who dyed her hair pink after dad left & the black guy whose railing her while he freeloads off of her.

>>149992598
That is done correctly, ESL-kun.

>>149983662 (OP)
LOL!

Can't hollywood just use some magik to make everyone love their slop again?? How did it all go so wrong?

>>149992733
The music industry fell apart and music is what hypnotizes people into liking bad shows and movies. They've been reusing stock orchestral tracks and the power is weakening.

>>149992733
hollywood doesn't make the things people like so the people found alternatives (foreign media, video games, or indies)

>>149992595
>If the idea was to appeal to men
That wasn't the idea at the time, they assumed they could change course to target women without losing any of their existing customers and they're only now acknowledging how retarded that plan was. Too little too late.

>>149992696
>Take Super sentai a successful brand focused on BOYS and make a shallow ripoff that focuses on a whiny queer nepo baby.
>Call out the studio you have in your own fucking bio for trying to target a demographic that the people you plagiarize make a profit from.
I truly believe faggots like Matt are worse than the suits.

>>149989940
>inb4 Disney buys Shueisha
I don't think that's actually legal in Japan, they barr foreign ownership of any company over a certain age and of any companies in certain industries (construction, telecom, defense, etc. etc.)
It's part of why half the oldest companies still in operation on the planet are Japanese construction companies.

>>149983790
Right is significantly better but I see were you are coming from

>>149989564
This shows a lack of understanding of the Simpsons joke.

>>149992919
No, he understood it just fine, you didn't understand his post because you're either dumb or in denial.

>>149983791
Based dont pay im afraid.

>>149992932
"Won't somebody think of the children" was an entirely unrelated appeal to the stated goal of the group of banning alcohol. If it is about appealing Disney trying to appeal to more children, then it isn't unrelated.

I honestly have no idea what gen z males are into besides like... SoundCloud mumblecore and expressing how uncomfortable they are with sexuality as a whole.
I unironically understand gen alpha more.

>>149992932
Not at all, dimwit.

>>149986795
It blows my mind theres any dude over 10 who hasnt seen these.

>>149992886
I don't think Disney could afford it in the first place

>>149989601
>Pan.
>Mr. Satan's daughter.
Videl is his daughter, Pan is Gohan and Videl's kid.

>>149992932
See
>>149992535
It's borderline non-sequitur.

>>149988300
Dont conflate perfomrative internet righties with normal right wing dudes.

>>149989564
>company wants to find out how to make media that appeals to teen boys and young adult men
>this is a personal attack somehow worth whining about
what the fuck

>>149984102
Imagine a timeline where they took minimum, common sense decisions with all that pile of gold they acquired in a decade. Just, like... imagine all the cool stuff we would have by now and all the mountain of dough they would be sitting on right now.

>>149984638
TECHNICALLY, D&D still is...

>>149985390
Crazy to think they were sort of still trying until John Carter, at least in live action. It doesn't feel that long ago.

>>149984069
>Hawkeye replaced by a "teen" girl
>Ms. Marvel twee shit
>The Marvels dance shit
>She-Hulk ally mcbeal shit
>Echo... i didn't watch this one
>Thor fighting for screentime with valkyrie and jane foster
>Wandavision was actually funny but stars women
>Agatha was also funny but stars women and gays
>Black Panther has tits now (this one is understandable, rip chad)
What did they expect? It's a franchise for boys. They're making product the core demo doesn't want, then doubling down.

>>149990227
>Its been a disaster. As much as those idiots like to pretend that Seth Rogen Ninja Turtles is a success it is a failure and the sequel is bound to do even worse than the Ninja Turtles sequel that Bay did. And image related is literally unreadable trash.

>Ninja Turtles has fallen so brutally as a brand that if you want tolerable writing in a Animal Martial Artist franchise you're better off watching Kung Fu Panda.
Figured as much. It doesn't help that TNMT has had TWO movie reboots (Michael Bay's TNMT and Seth Rogen's TNMT) and THREE animated show reboots (2012, Rise, and Tales) ever since the Viacom's 2009 buyout. That's a few too many reboots in such a short time span and a sign they don't know what they're doing with the IP other than leeching off merchandising revenue.

>>149993155
All they had to do was not obliterate Luke's academy and the republic army. They had a blank check for as many interesting character as you could imagine and they flushed it down the toilet. 40 fucking years and the galaxy has gone nowhere.

>149989263
The ironic part of all Kennedy's messaging is that she herself would probably still be stuck producing obscure local talk shows without Spielberg's coattails to ride on.

>>149993125
Lots of folks don't think males should be allowed to say "no" to them, and they will not validate such sentiment by offering something appealing to males. Neither will admit they seek deals among different demographic.

>>149986903
I guess it's just something that needed to happen before everything went down the shitter.

>>149992696
I laughed at the "Revenge" trending topic.

>>149993350
The whole first movie took a colossal shit at all the happy ending of the original trilogy, much like the Indiana Jones and Willow sequels.
Like, there was never peace, who knows how long Han and Leia managed to stay together at all, they start by blowing up a bunch of planets for shits and giggles... and that's not counting the whole jedi fiasco.

>>149983871
So true

>>149993651
Crystal Skull was an alright continuation for Indiana Jones but the most recent just made him too miserable

So /co/ was right all along about pandering to young men more?

>>149990267
Conservatives hate comedy and sex.

>>149993125
>this is a personal attack somehow worth whining about
They probably asked him to pitch something for zoomer males and he gave them "Brown lesbian adventure #6543563" AGAIN. So they told him to take a walk and now he has a grudge against the young male demo.

>>149993876
no shit, they can't take a joke and they never get laid

>>149984638
Off the top of my head:
>Transformers
>G.I. Joe
Paramount and IDW kinda ruined both already. Disney's ownership would make things worse.

>D&D as mentioned here >>149993188
It would get ruined as well.

>DC Comics
Warner Bros would have to be either stupid and/or desperate enough to sell that to Disney in the first place similar to Murdoch selling Fox. Plus, it would be an inevitable repeat of what happened to Marvel after the "Oh, must consoom DC vs Marvel" crossover novelty wears off.

>Battle shonen manga/anime
>Gundam
>Other male-dominated manga/anime
A Japanese law referenced here >>149992886 could squash that idea.

>Warhammer
Not too familiar with this, but I'm already dreading Amazon's upcoming show.

>Image Comics
>Dark Horse Comics
>Dynamite Entertainment
Repeats of Disney's handling of Marvel and much of those comics are lesser known. Plus, that upcoming Red Sonja looks bad enough without Disney and I wasn't too thrilled with Amazon's handling of Invincible and The Boys.

>WWE
>AEW
>UFC
I don't see Disney being desperate enough to buy either of those.

Also, I assumed that Flash Gordon and Dick Tracy are male-centric, but both are ancient IP modern audiences likely never heard of before. It'll be John Carter all over again. Same goes for westerns, another repeat of The Lone Ranger.

This isn't going to work because even if they actually do start pandering to conservative men and make Hitler: The Shonen Series or whatever, they'll still remain utterly convinced that Disney is under the stranglehold of woke and it'll lose money

>>149993864
Yes. Who'da thunk it?

>>149993864
Yes, but it's probably too late for that now.
They've basically already lost an entire generation (arguably 2) of men, and they're either too different/shitty compared to the competition they drove men towards or they're too expensive for the young boys who have plenty of free options.

>>149983662 (OP)
This is never gonna work, Disney is synonymous with estrogen, and to attract men you need sexy women, violence and adventures, none of these are things Disney is gonna put in their works
If anything, the fact that they had the brightness idea of buy Marvel and SW and then proceeded to feminize them only alienated men even more from their brand

>>149989917
Why the fuck is Miles such a sacred cow for some people when if he wasn't from an official comic he'd be considered a Dave The Hedgehog tier oc.

>>149984248
You act like we’re any better

>>149992595
>>149988621
>Spending billions to buy Star Wars
>Wonders where the male audience went
>Today, I'll remind them

>>149994075
Correct, you can add how shitty millennial women are gonna be the last generation of Disney fans, and since most of these are spinsters with no kids, I only see Disney losing relevance in the future

>>149983662 (OP)

so gutting franchises and adding mary sues to them didnt work out? who would have fucking guessed? how manycompanies are gonna learn the hard lesson of when you tell people you dont want them watching your shit, they wont watch your shit?

>>149984069
>that heavily pushed for Blade to be a fourth wheel in his own MCU debut film.

the fact that this was an idea put to fucking paper is the craziest thing.

>>149989564
Uh, this is the umpteenth tweet Matt Braly made in recent years. Is he spending way too much time on social media and aer his latest projects since Amphibia stuck in development hell that long?

>>149994335
*are

>>149988391
>In their mind boys had no choice but to watch it anyways and be gradually influenced by what they were seeing while they simultaneously were going to draw in all the viewers they didn't have for infinite money
Tbf this used to be true before vidya and anime rise up, many boys and husbands were dragged along with their mothers/wife to watch another Disney princess movie because that was the only thing available, too bad that nowadays men have wise up and with the breakdown of family and relationships there's even less of a reason for them to watch feminist Disney slop

>>149989564
Western creatives these days just don't want to make anything that isn't aimed at gays, women, or social media autists.

>>149994424
California creatives*

is it enough for them to make product that appeals to the target demographic or does there need to be some form of repentance on their part? Is it childish to feel there needs to be more effort to apologize rather than just go “wasn’t it funny how we said we didn’t want you as customers for ten years lol here’s a star wars movie that isn’t shit.”

>>149983662 (OP)
Disney isn't the only company with a demographics problem. When will these companies ever learn, the minute you start putting a skirt on He-Man, your He-Man brand dies. Boys do not want to play with girl things, so stop making boy things into girl things. It was dumb in 1985 and it's even dumber today.

>>149993817
The ending of Crystsl Skull was kinda meh, aside from that, fully agree.

>>149984868
The difference is that George Lucas at least has talent and passion for what he does, unlike KK, which is why most people consider the prequels to be at least more interesting movies than the sequels, even in they're inferior from a technical standpoint.

>>149993765
Where's the part where he "made fanart" by just tracing Disney posters?

>>149994510
They'll definitely need to do more than just go "lolyea, we know we told you to fuck off for a decade, but come back please, look, here's an original IP that's slightly less lame and gay than our usual shit, please come back."

I would like a remake of the Black Cauldron, in live action, with practical effects and animatronics.

>>149983662 (OP)
It's incredible that Disney bought the two most well-established boy franchises in the world (Marvel and Star Wars) and somehow managed to fail to capture the male audience with them. How is it even possible to fuck up that badly.

>>149993935
>D&D as mentioned here >>149993188 (You)
>It would get ruined as well.
I said >TECHNICALLY because WotC already fucked up the brand monumentally, though.

>>149994389
>Tbf this used to be true before vidya and anime rise up
Not quite, back in my day kids just had to put up with mom's soap operas on tv, and that kind of thing never grew on most of them.

>>149994620
>How is it even possible to fuck up that badly.
Women

>>149989564
No he’s right
But here’s the thing that braindead Twitter-retards don’t understand: he wasn’t saying it’s wrong to pander to young boys, but that it’s stupid to want to do so while not giving them anything that isn’t yet ANOTHER stupid Generation X ip reboot.
Kids don’t give a shit anymore about Star Wars, Marvel or whatever other dumbass 80s property Gen X executive want to pull out of their ass. Children, specially boys, do NOT want to relive your stupid overrated 80s childhoods. They rather watch anime, read manga, read scholastic graphic novels, or watch online animated shows like TADC.
The problem is that Gen X has taken over the entertainment industry and they refuse to let go, and even worse, they do not want new IPs. They just want to keep riving the corpse that is Star Wars or MCU. I think the reason Braly even made this statement was because he’s probably been through this problem when pitching shows at Disney

>>149994793
Children have no problem getting into older franchises. The real problem was drastically changing the materteral to completely shit on males

>>149994832
>The real problem was drastically changing the materteral to completely shit on males
This never happened you imbecile, Star Wars creating a female MC is not an example of it. Sorry, but Star Wars is about as interesting to Zoomers and Alphas as watching a horse take a dump

>>149994859
>This never happened you imbecile
keep ignoring reality my nigga

>>149994793
>or watch online animated shows like TADC
Boys don't watch that slop. That's for millennials and zoomer chicks.

>>149994793
>he wasn’t saying it’s wrong to pander to young boys, but that it’s stupid to want to do so while not giving them anything that isn’t yet ANOTHER stupid Generation X ip reboot.
This is true, but the issue is, gen z is not young boys. The youngest gen z are 13, most of the cohort is 16-28, and Disney ruined the 2 properties that COULD have appealed to men in that age group; Marvel and Star Wars.
They have nothing rpecisely because they decided they didn't want to appeal to young men anymore, and now, the guys who were 16 in 2018 and now 23, and they don't engage with this shit either because it's clearly not even trying to be appealing to them.

>>149994859
lmao

>>149994859
>This never happened you imbecile, Star Wars creating a female MC is not an example of it
Does some one have that one SW's office with a defaced Luke pic?

>>149994793
>Stagnating stories
If this means "lame and gay" he's right.

>>149994910
Yea, a lot of the zoomers on /co/ have this weird idea that "zoomer'" is just slang for any young person, not realizing that their 24 year old retarded ass is a zoomer.
This isn't about Disney not being able to appeal to little boys, it's about Disney not being able to appeal to non-homosexual males under 34 in general.

>>149995080
>This isn't about Disney not being able to appeal to little boys
that absolutely is part of it. Disney has nothing that appeals to young boys right now.

>>149988836
You mean corporatism. Every single country on planet earth is some flavor of market socialism.

>>149995120
Let me rephrase that, this isn't JUST about Disney not being able to appeal to young boys, they can't appeal to any males under 34, including young boys.

>>149994892
You’d be surprised. I saw a boy drawing on his iPad at restaurant, what was he drawing? Caine from TADC

>>149994859
I watch Gen Alpha love Star Wars in Lego and Fortnite. Disney fucked up by alienating the teen boy and young man audiences.

>>149994859
Anon I'm an older zoomer who is into Star Wars, were were there as children around the time episode 3 came out and were inundated with all the cool shit coming out around that time.
The real difference is that the movie centered Star Wars experience is very much a Gen X situation, while everyone younger got into it mostly thanks to the expanded media like the video games or shows.
60% of the prequel reappraisal is from Zoomers who grew up with the Clone Wars project and all its varied aspects viewing the films as part of the greater context of all the media that came out around them.

Now my brother who was born in 06 has no attachment to Star Wars because by the time he was cognizant all the cool shit and the overall media environment had dried up.

>>149994793
>isn’t yet ANOTHER stupid Generation X ip reboot
While it is true there should always be fresh IPs in the production pipeline you can't escape the fact that star wars and marvel should be fucking EVERGREEN. They both have limitless potential for story telling and they destroyed the potential for both in the span of 14 years.

>>149985424
>weeb thinks it's an "east vs west" post.
anon is telling you that shounen slop is for children and that you consume more adult media.

>>149994793
What the fuck are you talking about? Millenials and zoomers grew up with stuff like the Star Wars prequels and the Clone Wars cartoons, and a plethora of Marvel cartoons and movies. They do care about Marvel and Star Wars, just not the bastardized stuff made by Disney.

>>149983662 (OP)
>buy franchise for boys
>it gets popular
>start pushing content made for women
>boys lose interest
many such cases!

>>149992521
Just revive Avengers: EMH and Spectacular Spider-Man and let Christopher Yost do his job in peace and watch as the money rolls in.

>>149992696
No way he is this daft

>>149984527
They really can't afford another rmajor purchase.

>>149995434
>many such cases!

It's practically the case for just about every popular American boys IP.

>>149983724
OP said 13-28 year olds, not 5-12 year olds.

>>149995444
Spectacular's biggest hurdle is that it'd be a Sony production still but you are right. Avengers EMH coming back and letting them make season 3 as they intended would be great. the only real flaw i think there would be is Film Roman isn't really doing animation anymore. wonder if the studio that did X-Men '97 can translate the EMH designs.

>>149991147
Capitalism is the only thing that makes mass media entertainment like this possible in the first place. Why do you think Tetris is the only relevant cultural product that came out of the Soviet bloc?

Their biggest competitor right now is anime. They're stupid and keep buying these franchises that would thrive with a 16+ anime adaptation but keep pushing this all ages garbage.
Why would someone watch Wolverine slice through robots and slime monsters when he could be put in some shonen style fights against Sabretooth.

>Have audience
>Want 'wider' audience
>Compromise product for wider audience
>new audience doesn't manifest, old audience hates you
many such cases. this isn't even a 'boy vs girl' or 'right vs left' thing, it's just retarded (or intentionally malicious private equity) corpo idiots desperately chasing demographics outside of the property's purview, while at the same time, neglecting their original install base.
right now we have cracker barrel changing their logo, but also renovating the interior of their old timey nostalgia-based restaurant to be a stark sterile white to appeal to more people, and at the same time, alienating their original customers (but i think that's more in the 'malicious' category than the stupid one).
disney is just stupid

>>149995347
The whole point of this discussion is that disney should appeal to boys and teenagers, which is what shonen anime did for so much. No one is expecting disney to produce animated movies that are similar to la movie because they have never done that in their entire history. Hell the closes animation comes to that can be found in Satoshi Kon's or Mamoru Oshii's works, both of which were anime directors. And as far as shonen goes there is some stuff that can appeal to adults as well like Ashita no joe.

>>149989763
What are some new and original IP's that are targeted at gen z boys? I fell like there has to be some but Im drawing a blank outside maybe skibidi toilet??? Which isnt really a IP its just goofy youtube poop.

>>149995523
Just get some South Korean studio to do the animation in 2d and keep the art style the same. X-Men 97 is good but I don’t like that generic 3d animation style Marvel uses these days.

>>149995449
JUST MAKE A GOOD MOVIE
WOW. I never would've considered that. Here I am using pattern recognition to see that different people like different things in media and will naturally gravitate towards specific series that prioritizes the things that they prefer like a total idiot.

>>149995547
They already tried the anime adaptation route in the late 2000s/early 2010s, they even hired Madhouse to animate a bunch of Marvel anime that people weren't particularly interested in.
They definitely do need some kind of new IP at this point to attract male viewers who aren't 40+.

>>149995749
so stunned I forgot my image

>>149995772
They didn't even bring the adaptation here.

>>149983662 (OP)
Even though its more Millennial than Zoomer, KINGDOM HEARTS. Its been so long, so highly requested, that people will go come out for it even if its DEI up the wazoo.

>>149985657
And Gogo hardly has any despite mogging the shit out of her. Anyone watching 3D animations, and by extension drawing porn of them, is brain damaged.

>>149992595
This is assuming you take the article at face value and not as code for, "We're looking for a new IP for boys that we can desecrate but still make billions off of." If that's the case, then there isn't much left to choose from, especially in regards to zoomers. What are they going to do—gacha games and Vtubers? lol good luck

>>149995842
No, the time for that has passed, KH is nowhere near as relevant as it was in the late 2000s and the fangirls who were into it in middle school are far too old now. Much of that audience has either outgrown stuff like KH or become mega-otaku that consume lots of gacha and anime and don't particularly care for western media

>>149992696
I think it's very concerning that a lot of people's first inclination towards any sort of news is to mock a different group of people.
This is especially concerning for basically innocuous information. Disney says they're failing to capture a male audience, and this guy's kneejerk reaction is to start making fun of Gen Z guys. Why?

>>149991147
>>149995537
I think what he means is that the shareholders demand that every product needs to have its audience be everyone on the planet all at once is obviously harming the product. Disney forced Star Wars to target everyone in a greed-addled attempt to make the line go up even though it completely fucked up the series. Japanese companies at least realize that you can’t do that and instead diversify their output much better. Shueisha has Shonen Jump obviously, but they also have shoujo, seinen, and josei magazines as well. They’re not trying to cram 50 year old IPs down a square peg.

>>149983662 (OP)
If Marvel Rivals wasn't a thing answers would've been Fortnite and maybe Overwatch. League is past its prime. Honestly its only gacha games now. Mihoyo/Genshin is there only hope.

>>149996095
>and this guy's kneejerk reaction is to start making fun of Gen Z guys. Why?
Because the industry became an insular nepotistic bubble protecting hacks like Matt from genuine competition. He knows as soon as the gates open and the dudes who can actually make the next Ben 10 or TMNT finally get their shot nobody will care about the nonbinary slop people like him churn out.

>>149983662 (OP)
>Mihoyo/Genshin is there only hope.
>>>>

>>149988972
Stfu troon

>>149993350
see that's actually the craziest thing about the whole debacle to me, no only were the sequel trilogy all awful movies but they also left the story with nowhere to go

>>149995983
I could only imagine what a western ZZZ would look like.
I imagine it'd be terrible like that Kakegurui Netflix adaptation.

>>149984240
Stfu

>>149990314
Stfu thirdie

>>149984218
>Oswald is more popular than ever by sheer virtue of getting screwed over by Disney so much that it made young males relate to him
At last I see.

>>149995449
It's entirely possible to simultaneously make movies that target specific demos and movies that are not targeted to specific groups. And Matt getting butthurt at the very idea of young men having anything exclusively theirs just reveals that he's the exact cancer that needs to be purged

>>149993188
lol DnD hasn't had any offical art with cool heroic white male characters in almost a decade. look at any offical book of theirs. its all just full of girlbosses, fags and black guys dressed like european warriors. white ugys are once again only depicted as idiots, weaklings or bad guys.
mtg is especially bad

>>149996238
Not even -- the fucking Horse Gacha or Fate

>>149984240
pretty much
women ruin everything

>>149989080
Follow your advice faggot

>>149988483
When was it ever not? Kids hate following rules, they don't learn if they don't try shit. In a peaceful society, personality and obedience are the rules.

>>149983871
>I drew ONE thing so everyone STOP and pay attention to ME!

>>149984240
>IDK maybe a woman can explain the appeal
I don't think they can, given everything is a flop.

>>149984638
I'm sure somebody at Disney has mentioned "This thing called Warhammer...it's a video game or something." which would be a hysterical shitstorm if they gave it the rainbow wash they gave Marvel and Liucasfilm. Amazon has been trying adapt but GW won't budge and soften it, not because they don't want the money but they KNOW they created a Frankenstien fanbase that would violently revolt if they compromised.

>>149984638
older pulp stuff that entered or entered the public domain might be worth a shot, stuff like Conan, Fafyd and Gray mouser, Zothque, H, Rider Haggard books etc could work if Disney tried, keyword being tried here

>>149997413
Fafhrd and Gray mouser*
Zothique*

>>149995598
It does seem strangly vindictive given their customer base. Like the ceo must really hate old whitebread white people

>>149985923
Not Disney's problem, they always have a caveat emptor with their licensees and sure as shit don't care about retailers.

>>149997413
>>149997443
They tried Conan a few times but failed, and Disney kind of shoot itself in the foot with the mutant trademark law.

>>149986446
>only pretending to be retarded

Nah, he was an asshole.

>>149997485
All the times that they tried Conan, even the 80s one, it never really was similar to Conan lol.
Unironically, Primal is MUCH more similar to Conan, both in tone, style, and later on, setting.

>>149997288
I dont trust games workshop at all. Their just drip feeding manufactored outrage like the female custodes and soon female marines in order to make the angry grognards look bad to lefty types. Alot of companies seem to think the support fag communties like r/gcj give then on social media simply to "own the chuds" will translate into actual new paying fans while browbeating enough old fans into accepting the new status quo. It doesnt

>Disney buys star wars to get an IP for boys
>basically shit on their male audience in an attempt to get more women into the franchise
>absolutely ruin it and drive it into the ground
>WE NEED THE YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE!

>>149984411
What is this from?

>>149997704
It's a combination of revolving door of executives not caring what the previous executive was trying to accomplish and unbridled stupidity and greed. They buy this hugely popular cultural institution and instead of being patient and waiting for it to pay for itself they start salivating about how to milk it for all its worth and make the line go up and up and up. They just assumed boys were locked in with Star Wars, that they'd never leave the reservation, and they could do whatever they wanted to the IP and it would only add more people to it.

It makes me wonder how Disney ever got to where it is by fundamentally not understanding the entertainment industry.

>>149996095
However you feel about it, most of the feminism is about forcing men to perform labor they used to reserve for their wives for women who are not their wives so they could keep not being their wives.

This mentality spread further, ie media personalities who expect men to support media not made to appeal to men so they could make media not meant to appeal to men. Trying to actually pander to men is a betrayal and capitulation to the nefarious incels.

>>149993935
>Transformers
>G.I. Joe
It's not the 1980s anymore and Michael Bay already capitalized on the nostalgia for Transformers with his movies and that's as big a return you're ever getting on that IP. Disney is too late to come to the table for Gen Y/Z, and will have to wait another 30 years to try and catch the next nostalgia wave.

>D&D
WotC already doing their best to sabotage its brand. D&D was having a moment a couple years ago and it's already over.

>DC Comics
I am 100% this would cause antitrust lawsuits against Disney and they know it.

>Battle shonen manga/anime
Disney can't into 2D animation anymore. Its involvement in anime is occasionally acquiring series for Disney+ streaming, and their track record is really, really good actually. It's bizarre. I can only conclude that Disney execs are not paying attention to or care even a little bit about anime and that's why the anime acquisition person at D+ is getting away with shit like Summertime Render as an exclusive anime.

>Gundam
lol disney has neither the influence nor enough money to buy Gundam. Buy an exclusive license to gundam, sure, but buy Gundam itself? Sunrise's cash cow for the last 50 years? A veritable cultural institution in Japan? They would be laughed out of the room.

>Warhammer
Games Workshop is probably just waiting for the right multi-billion dollar offer like what George got for Star Wars. They know there is no way Disney can manage the IP so it will basically be take the money and abandon ship.

Rest of what you posted isn't even on the table.

>>149983662 (OP)
Its finally our time /co/. Surely we got some good ideas to give to Disney.

>>149987111
>Are we really malding at straightshit?
No, I am pointing out how lame it is that every male character is a simp. Not that he likes girls, but that he mopes around after a girl for the entire movie.

>>149995749
What even is good?
The shit I think is good you all think is trash

Also to this whole damn thread, I guarantee if these animated movies and shows had fan-service you'd be singing a totally different tune

All this virtue signalling about how the gays are grooming kids with therapy sessions they call movies is just so you don't have to say you wanna jerk off to highly produced animated porn.

Well unlike everyone else here, I admit I wanna jerk off to animated porn too, I want more sexy animated women because I like sexy animated women.

If I think certain movies and shows are too gay and lame I just turn to places that have stuff I want, such as indie artists, and shows out there that were made with me and mind like Twilight of the Gods, Motorcity, Tron Uprising, etc. There is so much shit out there for you to find, you just have to get your dick out of your hand and find it

>>149998123
No, fuck that.

>>149997481
You expect me to believe a billionaire hates white people?

>>149998287
I can believe that. White people aren't cheap, and like to complain if they're told to do shitty work for shitty pay.

>>149997575
they've been trying to wokify warhammer for years at this point

>>149998270
>Twilight of the Gods
Retarded sneederjeet

>>149998329
I thought it was the lesbian darkies who complain about shitty work and shitty pay when they're treated like Gods in Hollywood for being daring a brave

>>149998353
>The Gate Crashers
More like the Gaped Ass-ers lol

>>149998378
What's the connection between Indians and Twilight of the Gods?

>>149998398
No, they don't complain about the pay. They complain about people not watching their slop.

>>149997974
>and their track record is really, really good actually.
It sucks because I wish they would stop snatching up actually good stuff like Summertime Rendering or Tengoku Daimakyo or Medalist and stick to random shit so it won't matter when they almost assuredly flop.

>>149998270
>is just so you don't have to say you wanna jerk off to highly produced animated porn.
Bro, the article is about gen z, most of whom are grown ass adults.
It's not 2017 anymore.

>>149989564
>We don't have the budget for your semi-autobiographical cartoon.

Fucking animators really think they are morally invincible, even when begging the internet for rent money.

>>149998423
Snyder did it

>>149983662 (OP)
Wonder what would happen if they made a new movie even in starwars or marvel that didn't pass their vaunted Bechdel test. Just dudes being heroes with only 1 token woman (and maybe 1 extra dyke).

>>149998270
>and shows out there that were made with me and mind like Twilight of the Gods, Motorcity, Tron Uprising
Crazy how 2 of the examples you felt were worth listing are both over a decade old.

>>149992696
I'll try to remember the name in order to laugh harder once that guy gets arrested for CP.

>>149994955
And she STILL works there and is STILL proud of how she pissed off the fans.

>>149995449
I would like to know what he considers a 'great' movie.

>>149998833
I'll guessing Stand by Me

>>149996193
genshit has the same omni-pandering problem

>>149998833
>I would like to know what he considers a 'great' movie.
Most likely something off of a pre approved list since he can't fathom the idea that a movie can be unappealing from personal taste not a lack of quality.

>If you want a 16 year old boy audience just make "My Left Foot" or the "The color purple"

>>149997784
Talk by Scott Galloway, a professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business