Thread 76588504

>Who is /fat/ for?
For crunching creatures, working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/

Previous thread: >>76584907

Having another roo burger for dinner tonight. Last time turned out so well.

>>76588504 (OP)
Do you guys bother counting seasoning in calories? I've been using a BBQ rub and it's nice as fuck, I've still been losing weight but I'm wondering if I'm just slowing shit down in the long run, also how the fuck am I meant to cook chicken breasts with only 5 ml of oil, I need to add more or it gets stuck to the pan and cooked but even only 20ml of oil is over a hundred kcals

>>76588528
salt doesn’t have calories and thats all the seasoning youll ever need

>>76588528
sweet rub? if not, its like 5 cal.
>cook chicken breasts
a little water with the chicken in the pan on low heat, until the outer meat is cooked, drain the water, add the oil, should stick less then.

>>76588528
A lot of BBQ rubs have sugar in them so watch out for that.

Sloppa got me actin' unwise.

Anybody tried copper peptide cream for loose skin?

>>76588543
I use some on my face. Seems its not very good at absorbing but it would probably be good to use in combination with microneedling

I've fallen off the wagon again. And lost all motivation.

>>76588564
stay out of the house tomorrow until dinner, then only eat 1000 calories. maybe that will kick you off.

>>76588528
I don't.

>>76588546
Yeah from what I've read the micro needling helps it. More interested in it for my loose skin around my arms, legs and belly. Saw this guy using it and it seems to work for him. People also said if you use it too much it can actually make the loose skin worse.
https://youtu.be/ZGz2EUBcnoU?t=71

overate today and ended up at 1750 instead of 1600
I'm going to do another day of this CICO bullshit and then fast on saturday
if the scale doesn't drop by sunday im fucking losing it

Even the turkey cold cuts I bought have sugar in them. Probably not a big deal but I really should stop waiting until after I’ve scarfed something down before reading the nutrition facts.

>>76588579
I love you

so hungry...

>>76588603
when you do your fast make it a psmf so you don't lose muscle

>>76588666
Same, keto and calorie restricting sucks dick the first few days ;_;

>>76588522
Had one for lunch. Might have another for dinner.

jesus christ i ate an entire medium 4 topping dominos pizza and i unironically feel like im going to die, im so bloated and fucked up its been 6 hours and i can STILL feel the pressure throughout my entire torso

I think its extra bad because it tried the new bacon strip topping and i know damn well bacon fucks me up badly

god damn i want to go to bed but I cant because of how bloated I am

>>76588528
nope
I usually round up anyways so I'm overcounting if anything

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Name: Dzonathan Gavert
Weight: 105.3kg

Overall progress:
https://tinylink.net/1Jdoy

Motivational Song of the Day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxaRW55APR0

Even when doing fuck all the entire day I still lost 0.3kg I would normally lose on a working day. The Fish Beef Chow is now a staple in my diet.

>>76588522
how the fuck are you having multiple burgers a day? I can't even have 1 sandwich without risking going 300 over budget, the bread alone kills my budget

im pigging the fuck out tonight. all the cutting, fasting, and genuine dehydration from the past 3 weeks has drove me fucking insane. i like free will. i like being happy. i like not feeling like I have to fillet myself for eating. i like that i don't have to avoid hanging out with my friends anymore. it feels good. ill regret this later im sure, but id rather be alive than whatever state of "existing" i've been for the past while. do your deficits, but dont kill yourself.

>>76588764
You can just have patty alone on a plate with a side of salad.

>>76588766
>and genuine dehydration
why? are you stupid?

>>76588764
Kangaroo meat is very lean (2%). And I got a low fat cheese (3%) and I'm using a low fat mayo (1%). I could probably skip the bun but it wouldn't be the same.

>>76588781
i had to meet a certain weight and i did everything i could to ensure that.

does anyone still have that greentext or whatever of that one anon who says he always plays off how he got so fit, and that he never gives right answers whenever fat people ask him for advice, just so the dating pool gets smaller and smaller

>>76588786
Honestly explains ketoschizo.

>>76588786
Why would you waste your mental bandwidth on such an obvious troll?

>>76588528
I make my own blends, so there are no sugars anywhere. I barely even use honey.

Hello! Years ago I was for months in the hospital and while I was still I lost weight and the two lumps you see formed. I usually just run and I don't know what else to do.

How do I lose them? It's not me in the photo, just a reference.
Thanks!

>>76588817
lose weight

>>76588818
My weight is 75kg before the hospital my weight was 120kg

>>76588821
I am the same weight at 5'9 and still fat. We need to lose more weight, it's as simple as that.

>>76588785
>i had to meet a certain weight
Did you actually "have to"? Like you were cutting to weigh in for a sports thing?

>have massive lunch
>still hungry
>got Subsloppa up on the Doordash
I'm OOOOOOORDERING

>>76588845
I'm down to 67kg and I STILL have them. Granted I'm shorter than you but my bmi is like 23.2
At a certain point it becomes more a question of body fat percentage I guess

>>76588858
hows the belly?

>>76588817
I have that BMI 16.

Gunning for 14 I guess

>>76588848
Saw myself in the mirror and decided against it.

>>76588865
My gut is smaller but still sticks out past my belt, even when I'm standing. It doesn't sag down OVER my belt like it used to, so that's an improvement in my book.
I'm going to keep cutting to 22 bmi or maybe 21 at worst? then focus on recomp. I don't want to wind up like this guy >>76588876 and have anorexia, which I always thought was a woman's mental disease lol

>>76588887
I make pre-Subway Jared look skinny.

>>76588887
Good on you, bro. Treat yourself to an extra helping of broccoli tomorrow

Fatty Contest
Prongs
102.5 kg

I guess it wouldn’t be wrong to say the process hasn’t been going well. My only consolation is that I’ve managed to keep my weight more or less stable. I’ve stalled long enough, it’s time to get back to my routine and pass my nemesis thistimeforsure.

Fatty Contest
HeavyObject
81.7kg

Body fighting really hard to stay in the 80s. I think I might have hit the fabled metabolic setpoint.
I'm going to switch to reporting on Saturdays when I'm at a consistently low bloat level after Friday beer ritual.

>>76588954
Maybe stop drinking beer, idiot.

i'd really like to tell a friend about this general because you guys have helped a lot of people but i know that he won't take it seriously because of the nun ducks.

Someone convince me to not spend $200 on burgers and a cake.

>>76588542
Same desu

>>76588766
>give up after 3 weeks
Lmao

>>76588564
Get back on the path anon. WAGMI BTW

>>76588989
no

>>76589020
>won't stop drinking
>bro I must have le metabolic set point

>>76589035
calm down

>>76589065
Lose weight

>>76588995
Same I can't tell my fat friend either except it's because he has a fetish for cute nuns and I don't want him to relapse on 4 weeks nofap

>>76589004
If you wanna splurge for a birthday or whatever. you could spend it on healthy but expensive food instead. Crab, lobster, salmon, steak, fancy dark chocolate, premium fruit, premium/bulk whey etc.

>>76589171
No, this is just a Friday.

>>76589173
15 double quarter pounders + bacon and a caramel mudcake is about $190.

>>76589173
Did you earn a reward? $200 worth of burgers and cake is that kind of stuff that got you into this mess in the first place. That could easily undo weeks worth of dieting. You could do homemade burgers decently healthily, cake is junk food.

>>76588504 (OP)
Do you guys bother including calories burned on gym/cardio days into your apps, personally I don't because the last time I was doing that, I'd look at the -300 kcals and eat 300 cals extra which might easily become 400 cals or more, and that's assuming i actually burned 300 cals in the first place

>>76589183
>calories burned on gym/cardio days into your apps
The numbers they give are both inaccurate and imprecise to the point of being totally useless. So at best just treat them as a bonus, but never try to eat back those calories or think they're in anyway reflective of reality.

>>76589197
>The numbers they give are both inaccurate and imprecise to the point of being totally useless.
Sweeping generalizations aren't helpful. I burn a set amount of cals on a stationary bike and eat them back daily and I've been weight stable for years.

>>76588847
yes

>>76589183
My daily goal is to just eat my BMR, and create my deficit through exercise.

>>76588668
I've done days of psmf and while its easier than fasting it still fucking sucks, I would rather do one or two fasting days than 5 days of that psmf bullshit

>>76589183
Yeah it's a bit too hard to track accurately, so I don't count it for strength training. For cardio it overestimates, so I log 50% of it. My '600' calories burnt on the exercise bike lets me have little buffer so I don't stress about going 50-100 calories over. And seeing it go up each week is motivating too.

It's another fasting day

Just managed 12 clean pull ups from dead hang
>10 in one set
>waited 15 seconds, did another 2
but my waist has only shrunk an inch and a half since I started dieting

>>76588504 (OP)
I want it to be effortless & automatic till the best weight.

>>76589295
Stay strong dude. I'm about to eat my last meal before a 36 hour fast

>>76588504 (OP)
>purity control on full display
>doesnt get it

>>76588764
In and Out Flying Dutchman is like 380 calories and that's just the 2 patties and cheese. You can buy some Keto buns which is like 70 calories

>>76588817
why the fuck were you in the hospital for months in the first place?

>>76589295
The fact that you use the term "another" means that you can definitely do it. Godspeed any n!

>>76589443
Das rite
WAGMI

>>76589450
GOOOO

was gonna fast but I ate 2lb of chicken breast and broccoli instead

>>76588817
>How do I lose them?
Same way you lose fat anywhere else, through a caloric deficit. Spot reduction is a myth, you cant do locationlized targeted fat loss. Your genes determined where your body will store/burn fat and the only dial you have is your caloric intake.

If you take in less than you burn you'll lose weight, if you take in more you'll gain weight.

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PokeyMan
201.6

I want to sex a woman

I miss sugar

>>76589696
based

I ate chips.

>>76589719
you can have sugar nigga, in fact it helps you train and think provided you don't spike blood sugar and displace nutrient dense shit in your calorie allowance with refined sugars. so basically eat some fruit, maybe some honey on your oats and shit like that

Are adjustable dumbbells enough for a home gym?
I won't have the space for a bench, but I can fit one of those door frame pull up bars

Also considering kettlebells, but they seem a lot less flexible?

lost weight but I went from fat to skinny fat... whic is an improvement, but I still hate myself looking in the mirror

>>76588755
I appreciate the absurdly detailed logging you're taking.
I do wonder if the various vitamins and stuff are helping. Obviously whatever you're doing is working. But, I don't take any at the moment so I can't help but wonder.

Nice Low Carb Low Cal Meal. Only con is the price

>popeyes
Lmao

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ThisTimeForSure25
98.6 kg

Huh, I guess it's a plateau? My routine didn't change so there wasn't much of a reason to not only not lose anything, but add 200 on top. Even on the week where I pigged out in the beginning I managed to lose some by the end.

>>76589774
Dumbbells are good, but can be more awkward than barbell for some exercises and you'll usually outgrow them relatively quickly unless you buy REALLY heavy ones right off the bat.

>>76589774
They're enough but I would really recommend finding or making space for a bench

>>76588504 (OP)
>fucked up my budgeting so now i have to end the night with plain salmon and lentil soup instead of a home made burger and diet coke
serves me right for trying a premade meal from the servo for lunch, never again

>>76589995
damn bro.

I had this today. And I was gonna post about it, but now I just feel bad.

>>76590003
jesus fucking christ my arteries

Was going through my gallery and found this fucking travesty from 3 years ago
Can't believe I used to do this shit nightly, those were nutella filled sandwiches, I've fucking forgotten the taste of nutella by now

>>76590003
8/10 meal, looks incredible

>>76590033
bitch faggot brainwashed by jews, fat is great for you

>>76590037
This has to be around 1900 calories right

>>76590038
>fat is great for you
in moderation, like everything else

>>76590033
>Salt Dry Aberdeen Angus Sirloin Steak (227g):
>~306 kcal
>Protein: ~56 g
>Fat: ~10–12 g
>Carbs: 0 g

>M&S Crispy Potato Waffle Fries (300 g):
>~405 kcal
>~6 g protein
>~54 g carbs
>~18 g fat

>Fried Egg (1 large):
>~90 kcal
>~6 g protein
>~7 g fat

It might not be too bad, honestly.

>>76590043
>in moderation
keto works for a reason, you can cut out carbs and replace them completely with fat
keep "moderating" your fat and you'll stay a low test bitch

>>76590037
damn man why you gotta tempt me like this...

>>76590052
>keto works
fucking kek

>>76590052
Kek body with timestamp, you're one of those fat white guys with a beard
>Muh cholesterol is good for you
>Muh ribeye
>Muh red blooded murican

Fat ass pic rel

You already have enough fat on your man boobies and gut to regulate your hormones for the next 12 months, quit acting like you are lean enough for that to matter

>>76590087
>>76590096
>mention keto
>the usual retards show up and start sperging

>76590109

>Incapable of producing a body w timestamp

One thing high fat tards all have in common kek

>>76590118
>sub tweeting
incredibly bothered

>>76590118
True, the only one that does is ketoschizo and he uses a picture from 2021....

>>76590087
I know keto works. You know keto works. We both know keto works. So why pretend otherwise?

Everyone who is in doubt can look at pic related.

Literally 100% of randomized controlled trials with significant results show that low-carb is the best diet.

>still no epic keto body posted

You can repost that 5'3 dyel from 2021 but it's kind of getting old at this point

>>76590137
i've posted my body multiple times >>76584669

>>76590141
That's fuckin brutal you look like shit lmao

>>76590137
Why would the time the images were initially posted matter? One post proves you wrong forever.

>>76590144
the weight loss speaks for itself

>>76590137
The keto image in this pic is from May 2022

What does loose skin feel like?

>>76590141
Nice results. Keto/carnivore is based.

Are you restricting calories or eating ad libitum?

>>76590148
You lost very slowly over 3 months, if you actually counted calories and avoided high fat foods that could have been done in one month. You're a dyel too

>>76590145
Neither lean nor chad. Black teeny boppers who live on Kool aid and play NBA 2k all day mog you

>>76590153
kinda like the skin around your balls, but a bit thicker

>>76590152
Yuck. This is the worst advertisement for a high fat diet I've ever seen. I was overweight in 2022 and mog the fuck out of you already kek

>>76590159
Nice try, vegan.

Counting calories and eating a low-fat diet has worse results than unlimited calorie keto.

>>76588504 (OP)
Do you feel colder as you lose weight or go on a calorie deficit? I know fat is supposed to keep you warmer, but I don't think I'm supposed to feel this cold even though it's 24 degrees celsius.

>>76588718
Good. Remember that next time you want pig out, hog.

>>76590165
Hey post that comparison between you and the vegan from last thread

>>76590156
I was eating whenever I wanted for the first two months and fasting 2 days every 7-9 days
third month I had very little progress and my hunger started shooting up, I still want to lose a few more pounds so I'm focusing on eating leaner meats and restricting calories
My diet has been 90% meat, but I haven't been too strict about it. I still eat some fruit and give myself a cheat day every weak, but the cheat meal is always carnivore-ish anyways (fried chicken, cheeseburgers, etc.)

>>76590170
Sure.

>>76590174
Do you have an up to date image of you

>>76590172
Try chaffles to replace burger buns and you can eat burgers every day. No cheat.

I prefer the basic chaffle recipe with just egg and mozzarella. If you put some shredded cheese on the waffle iron before putting the egg and cheese mixture you get a delicious crispy crust.

>>76565199
>weighed 209 this morning
>old chinese lady who works at the laundromat comes up to me while i do my laundry and goes "you are skinny!!!! good!!!!!"
I'm not used to getting complimented, it feels weird.

>>76590172
>I was eating whenever I wanted for the first two months and fasting 2 days every 7-9 days

Kek it was the fasting which created a deficit you were over eating fat calories

>third month I had very little progress and my hunger started shooting up

Kek you don't say?

>eating leaner meats and restricting calories

Oh no no no no no keto bros what's happening?????

> I still eat some fruit

Wut? Isn't that going to spike insulin or whatever you homos believe?

>give myself a cheat day every weak

If you have to cheat on your diet every week you have a nutrient deficient diet
(Hint it's carbs)

Only a retard would eat the most dense least satiating macro nutrient and claim it's a good diet. Thanks for being honest about how shit keto/carnie is

>>76590179
At some point repeatedly posting body gets lame.

Demands for constant body posts are not sincere.

>>76590200
So no then. OK.

>>76590196
not even worth responding to
body + timestamp

>>76590200
>>76590174

I meant this one. Where you seethe and cope. Curious non keto posters can post up to date images and you can't?

Gets the noggin jogging

Fatty Contest
Regigigas
191lbs
5'10"

>>76590196
It's a proven fact that unlimited calorie low-carb works better than restricted calorie low-fat.

Low-fat diets are bad.

>>76590168
I felt colder once I was in the healthy weight range. And it was more noticeable while in big deficit. Could be due to poor circulation too. Less noticeable now since I started doing cardio.

>>76590210
Guy on the right said he's not vegan. That image was made by a dishonest vegan shill. It doesn't match the font or style (e.g. Source: >>) of the other keto-vs-cico-n.png image comparisons. Also it probably had a different file name.

Nice detective skills, calorietard.

>>76590211
god damnit I fucking overwrote my last entry

How do I stop being autistic? Not being fat is easy, but not being a sperg around women is not.

>>76590214
Yeah, I'm currently doing a big deficit so that may be it. Even though its summer I need to move around more to warm myself up.

Unbelievable plateau going on right now gentlemen. 5 days with the same weight. Feels neccissary to increase my deficit at this point to account for any math I have bungled or a reduced BMR. What is the best way to think about deficits? Is a 1000 calorie deficit going to necessarily lead to muscle wasting?

>>76590223
I am the guy on the right, I'm not a vegan I just follow a high protein high carb low fat diet like any sane human would kek

>>76590244
stop weighing yourself every day retard

>>76590209
You first lel

Why are ketolards so easy to mog?

>>76590253
Why would anyone do a low-fat diet when it is proven to be drastically inferior to low-carb for weight loss?

Low-fat with calorie restriction has worse results than unlimited calorie low-carb.

>>76590244
It depends on what you eat. If you eat carbs and restrict calories you lose muscle and your body tries to hold on to body fat.

literally no one that shills cico posts body except that one roidtroon shilling his ecelebs

Fatty Contest
WitnessMe
115.6 KG
It was my birthday this weekend and I sinned a lot.
August had been a terrible month for me when it came to nutrition and gym consistency
This september I will not lose to the grind again.

>>76590265
I'm here to stop your sabotage attempts. No one will lose weight eating unlimited fat which is the most calorie dense least satisfying nutrient. Too much protein kicks you out of ketosis. Low carb is fine but it needs to be protein not fat. You can't post current zeek with a timestamp because you look like shit, I can because I don't look like shit. Says quite a bit

>>76590272
Brutal self report if you think I'm on roids. Just neck yourself you won't ever make it lel
It was never in the cards for you

there is no one more pathetic than the fags who are arguing about keto and cico 24 hours a day every day. I would rather be a fat as fatass than devote my whole life to arguing this stupid shit on the internet

>>76590275
People losing weight while eating unlimited fat and unlimited protein has been replicated many times.

In fact people on unlimited calorie low-carb lose more weight than people restricting calories on low-fat diets.

People can feel free to restrict calories on low-carb, too. The important thing is not eating carbs.

>>76590280
you're either lying about how long you've been lifting or you took a low cycle
in both cases diet is irrelevant
it's very obvious

>>76590281
Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better. Maybe check out the maintenance phase podcast, they will help you accept yourself!

>>76590283
Nope I just don't train like shit. You can reach you're natural peak in like 3-5 years of lifting. Skill issue. Glad I'm not an Indian like you

>>76590281
I don't think it's pathetic to try and help people change their lives for the better.

Low-carb diets save lives, cure modern diseases, eliminate obesity, and make humans happier.

I could easily get 10k steps a day by walking to work but I don't want to wake up that early...

>>76590283
Nothing about his body screams roids to me. Dude looks lean and has some hypertophy. He did not have the telltale signs such as disproportionate delts, disgusting vasularity, or a mix of size and visible muscle hardness that natties don't get.

>>76590286
>you're natural peak
This is your brain on carbs.

>>76590286
>thread about weight loss and diet
>"actually my body has nothing to do with my diet, here's why you should listen to me"

>>76590292
I don't think he's on roids either, he's most likely lying about how long he's been lifting. The only other explanation is that he took a low cycle to speed up the first years.

>>76590293
Why are you shilling a roid tranny? Kek

>>76590296
>he's most likely lying about how long he's been lifting

Nope

>The only other explanation is that he took a low cycle to speed up the first years

Seething keto fags are delicious. Just because you can't stick to a lifting program or diet doesn't mean others can't. Kek imagine being such a loser

>>76590299
Wait why is his testosterone so low? That's worse than mine and I'm over 300lbs

>>76590299
>muh blood tests
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty and has eaten a zero carb carnivore diet for over five years.

I wasn't shilling him you're just a hypersensitive vegan who can't handle seeing a screenshot from your arch enemy's X account.

starting weight: 118.1 kg 20/8
current weight: 109.2 kg 5/9
goal weight: 70 kg
height: 179 cm

method: rolling 72s with salt water and coffee

>>76590314
Retard

>>76590309
Testosterone fluctuates throughout the day. It's not a stable measurement.

His low testosterone on blood tests proves he is natty but vegans try to invert reality because they are upset that an older man eating zero carb carnivore can be so fit. People who inject testosterone show very high levels of testosterone on blood tests.

>>76590329
Both people in that image are roidtrannies

>>76590326
always amusing seeing seethers like you call people retards when they do something that works, but you don't like it
>lost 20 pounds in less than a month
>P-PLEASE STOP YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

>people keep engaging with keto schizo
Why? He's literally trolling
He's not even on keto, he's not even trying to lose weight
Its literally all just trolling

If he was on keto and it worked for him he would post body but he can't even do that with timestamp

is it worth getting my testosterone checked while I'm still fat? my doctor won't do it so I'd have to pay

>>76590341
No. Just like trying to figure out your bodyfat is useless. You know what to do to improve testosterone, gain muscle and lose body fat. Why would some arbitrary number matter? Improve yourself until you are happy. Anyone with deca scans, test levels checks, fit bits etc is just looking for anyway to cope and blame something other than themselves.

>>76590334
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty. You can tell because of the shape of his delts and other physical characteristics like his body fat percentage. Also he has low testosterone on blood tests. Roiders have abnormally high testosterone levels.

You're just upset that he lifts heavy and is fit on a zero carb carnivore diet.

>roiders have abnormally high testosterone levels

On cycle yes, off cycle they have crushed T levels like Baker

>>76590314
Fasting works great. Good work. Fasting is ketogenic. When you eat food you should stay keto for maximum benefit.

Lel

jew jew go away

>>76590341
Don't do it unless you feel low T or have some symptoms.

I am getting on TRT and its not really very exciting to me. It becomes one more thing that I have to manage and worry about and I will be spending money on the shit forever. Dont let your estrogen get to high you will grow tits or get high blood pressure and remodel your heart and blow out your kidneys. Also don't crash your estrogen too low because your dick will stop working and your joints and bones will become brittle and you will become depressed. Also enjoy spending a shitload of money testing your blood if you want to try to perfectly dial in your dosages.

However being high test is based thats undeniable. So pick your poison but don't get the test if its not gonna do anything for you except become a source of worry or an excuse for being a weak cunt.

>>76590357
You are dishonest.

shill your fake natty's a different day

>lose weight
>notice stretch marks
did these form when I was a fatass and I just never noticed?
losing weight doesn't give you stretch marks, does it?
I don't even have any loose skin

>2024
Nice try shlomo

>>76590353
>I experimented for a week
>went back to carnivore anyways
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4zhmLGLGkQk
I have no idea why you would lie about something that takes 30 seconds to look up

>>76590388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXOahQMP-yM

>>76590380
You're still being dishonest.

>Let me check in on my fellow fatties and see if I can find some motivation or anons posting recipes/tricks
>It's the usual schizoids and the ketard arguing
mfw

>>76590388
Vegans are shameless liars. Pic related.

They really don't care how obvious it is or how easily it can be proven that they are being dishonest.

Lying is the most useful tool in the vegan toolbox to trick people into eating a low-fat high-carb plant-based diet. They certainly can't do it by telling the truth.

>>76590109
>129 lbs
>my weight in the 7th grade
What are you, 5'4"?

Carnivores the 700 dollars a month you spend on food could buy you the finest drugs and treatments, you could buy yourself a primo home gym and get a hair transplant with the money you save. I really don't think you understand how badly you are fucking up and wasting your money if you are having a daily ribeye or whatever you fuckers eat.

>>76590348
He's a roidtranny

>>76590407
Bacon, eggs, and ground beef are all very affordable. Higher fat ground beef is cheaper because normies are retarded and think lean is better.

>>76590368
>did these form when I was a fatass and I just never noticed?
Correct. Usually they should be more apparent when they're fresh as then they tend to be red, while older ones will fade in color.
>losing weight doesn't give you stretch marks, does it?
It does not, it's quick weight gain that gives them (genetic disposition changes how quick it needs to be).
That being said, they are two parts, the color and the shape. The shape can be a little more obvious as you lose weight, because it's no longer as stretched out. It's scar tissue, so the effect isn't super pronounced, but that's what you might be experiencing.
>I don't even have any loose skin
Glad to hear, just be happy about that fact. The stretch marks will fade over time a little and be less obvious.

>>76590407
There are no carnivores here
Ketoschizo is terminally online and probably a cripple or something bedbound, he's just shitting up the thread and then we have absolute retards engaging with him

>>76590409
Says he is natty. Looks natty. Blood tests are natty. No reason to believe he isn't natty.

You're just upset because he mogs you.

>>76590412
I get it but every time you see carnivore promoted, its ribeye on a cutting board.

Also do you guys even have a real argument as to why I shouldnt eat some vegetables with my steak so that there is fiber which helps keep the stool from turning into a rock so I could shit? Because I really don't see the down side to adding some peppers to my steak.

>>76590416
I just don't understand how someone has that much of the tism.
Even at my utter lowest, when I spent 16h a day on my computer, was depressed, didn't go outside and didn't have any social contacts I STILL didn't post as much or as deranged as he does. I don't get it.

>>76590421
>Looks natty
Riiiiight

>>76590423
Go ahead and eat vegetables if you want. Nobody is trying to save the vegetables. It's not an ideology.

My vegetable recommendation would be sauerkraut and properly fermented pickles.

As far as weight loss goes all that matters is not eating carbs.

>>76590423
I'm not a carnivore, but just eat what you enjoy ffs.
The thing that matters the most is if your diet is sustainable, and if you fucking hate yourself while you do it, it's likely not sustainable.
If someone is happy eating just meats because it massages their brain just right, let them do that.
For normal people, have some veggies on the side.
If they're vegan or don't like meat, let them have just plants.
I don't get how this is so controversial.

>>76590407
I spend maybe 250 a month on food if I don't eat out
ribeyes are nice but they aren't affordable, ground beef is still relatively cheap and filling

>>76590421
if he was in his 40s I could be convinced that is natty but at 60 no way

>>76590435
The shape of his delts and his high body fat percentage relative to roiders indicate he is natty.

>>76590435
he's been lifting for like 40 years

>>76590448
You cant just make linear progress for years natty. After 5 years you are going to be making very slight progress and especially after 50 you are mostly going to be lifting just to maintain

>>76590480
what exactly is so absurd about baker's physique? look at jeff. jeff has bigger shoulders, arms, and back. for a 60 year old he looks great but not enhanced, the only reason he looks massive is because of his chest and wide frame

>>76590486
Jeff is not natty and he's like 5'2

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>>76590443
He is 60 years old.
He is injecting something to maintain that muscle mass at that body fat % at that age.

>>76590494
>Jeff is not natty
.....

>>76590495
Weight loss starting to slow down but the mirror is looking a lot better - can't complain.

>>76590497
>He is injecting something to maintain that muscle mass at that body fat % at that age.
or maybe it's eating 250g of protein per day and lifting weights consistently

This thread is too salty, sweeten up guys

>>76590519
based sugar enjoyer. For me there is nothing better as a pre workout than a big bowl of sugary fruit. It gets my thiroid revved up to increase my daily metabolism. Fills my muscles full of glycogen to fuel a great workout and a full and thick pump. Fucking love my pre workout carbs thanks for the motivation

>>76590512
>or maybe it's eating 250g of protein per day and lifting weights consistently
He definitely does that between injections.
I understand that to young people, that seems do-able.
I'm telling you, as a 48 year old who lifts and trains, that he is juicing something. Might just be T from his doc, but he's not "natty."

What do you eat when you get huge cravings? I ended up eating cinnamon buns but holy fuck do they have a lot of calories.

>>76590497
>vegans can't understand how someone can have muscle mass without injections
We get it. Your diet is deficient.

>>76590533
Carbs lower your metabolism.

>>76590560
Nothing, I just chug diet pepsi and power through. Try watermelon if you want something sweet.

>>76590560
brother you ate the literal worst food you could possibly eat lmao

If I am gonna fuck I will just make myself a steak and baked potato and a ceasar salad. Its not even unhealthy and always hits the spot. I am lucky I am not a sweet tooth fag though

>>76590560
Just don't eat carbs and your cravings will go away after a few days.

>>76590560
>What do you eat when you get huge cravings?
I use self control and deny myself the craving.
Because I'm a man.
And I'm in charge. Not my bitch ass stomach.

>>76590685
NGMI. Your tough guy shit does not work and will in fact backfire every time. If you had this unbreakable willpower you would have never gotten fat in the first place. Weight loss is not about white knuckling. You should make things easier on yourself and calling a part of yourself a bitch is very counter productive. Try loving yourself

Ground Turkey chili or stew (beef or chicken) have been my meal prep go tos lately. Easy to make, taste pretty good, is highly satiating (especially the chili once you consider the kidney beans I add), and is high protein without going to high in calories. Wouldn't recommend for any of you whales who are still too attached to those fast food hits but otherwise, its pretty damn good. Also is pretty cheap per serving if you're a poor (maybe not the beef stew if you're using proper chuck roast but my nearby butcher runs frequent sales)

>>76590265
>you can eat unrestricted calo-
>Noooooo dont post the part of the study where it says they were restricting calories!!

>>76590724
>it's not gonna work
Self control is the only thing that works.
Trying to "hack" your lack of it is going to end badly 100% of the time.
Just say fucking no to yourself you fucking embarrassment.
>hur dur I'll come up with a clever way to trick my brain
Like a Jew trying to trick his god by putting his sins on a chicken.
Sub. Human.

Literally all you have to do to improve your experience in these generals is filter the word carbs, keto and vegan.

Its that easy.

>start dieting
>just spam food review videos all day
Fuck me this is awful. I can smell that sandwich in the new reviewbrah video...

>>76590742
This is profound mental retardation. Truly you cannot be helped you are just going to have to learn the hard way through your failures.

Pro tip you cannot increase your self control any more than you can increase your IQ. In fact the marshmallow test seems to be even more predictive from childhood than IQ tests are.

But I will laugh as you bang your head against the brick wall.

>>76590685
>>76590724
>>76590742
the truth, as usual, is in the middle.
saying no to yourself is ultimately what it comes down to no matter what way you slice it but the tough guy cold shower protocol raw meat alpha grindset rogan esque persona is EXTREMELY transparent, just letting you know, brother.

>>76590783
>saying no to yourself is ultimately what it comes down to

I don't agree. Your lizard brain will not cry out to eat candy all the time if you set your life up correctly. And conversely, if you live in a crack house with crack using friends you will be a crack head. No amount of telling yourself no is going to save you. Its trying to swim against the current

Stay strong frens.

>>76590799
>I don't agree.
are you sure?
>Your lizard brain will not cry out to eat candy all the time if you set your life up correctly.
this sounds a lot like we're arguing the same point and i think that's why you avoided going into detail on how exactly you "set your life up correctly".

>>76590770
Whats a good filter for 4chan
I want something that won't leave stumps of the message

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>>76590804
Hello Hatman great to see you

>>76590563

>pro meat
>also takes roids.

it's just expected of them

>>76590804
i got a hat just like you and hope to be stinkyhat wearer too :3

>>76590845
Hello fren, hope all is well
>>76590885
Awesome, dont stop working out until at least one drop of sweat drips from the brim

>>76590783
>the tough guy cold shower protocol raw meat alpha grindset rogan esque persona
This is projection.
I said
>deny myself the craving
>because I'm a man
>and I'm in charge
>not my bitch ass stomach
If basic control of my own cravings and acknowledgement that I'm stronger than them is "rogan esque" then you are a faggot who needs to go the fuck outside.

>>76590739
Only the low-fat group was restricting calories. The low-carb group was eating unlimited calories.

Here's another example. Unlimited low-carb has better weight loss results than restricted calorie low-fat.

>>76590560
>when you get huge cravings
I just don't get them.
Are they supposed to be obligatory?

>>76590883
Vegans think everyone who eats meat is on steroids because vegans can't build muscle without steroids.

man i feel like shit today. I need some electrolytes but found out the electrolytes I've been taking is just making my stomach turn.

I could just put salt+potassium in water but it just tastes so bad

These are stretch marks, right?

^Aids

>>76590996
your tummy looks crazy. it looks like my dads. where is your butt?

>>76590996
Why did you post this

>>76590996
yes

>>76590996
dudes got a hank hill butt

I don't know if im counting my caloric deficit right?
29y, male, 177cm, 82kg, gym 4x a week,
I was thinking 2000~ but it was really slow, then I switched to 1800~ and now its even fucking slower? what the fuck!

>>76591030
try 12-1400

>Everyone at work telling me all the time how good i look
>Still no women will sex me

>>76591030
Calorie restriction causes your metabolism to lower. Pic related.

The key to weight loss is not eating carbs.

>>76591030
you are likely overestimating your TDEE, or maybe you just don't realize how many calories you need to lose. it's very easy to overestimate calories from exercise.

>>76591107
Explain how eating 4000 calories of saturated fat and protein daily induces weight loss

>>76591157
Lowered insulin.

>>76591168
he still gets replies, if it ain't broke don't fix it

all this >muh diet made me read the guide in full
thanks for the motivation I guess

>>76591165
>ChatJeetPT piss filter image
Delayed absorption is still absorption. The fat and protein will be broken down into triglycerides and glycerol and absorbed by the cells. Low insulin alone won't induce catabolism of body fat just by itself if the cells are gorging on fatty acids because you eat past your energy needs.

>>76591188
excess fat is passed without being digested. that's why poop floats when you eat fat, it has a lot of fat which is ligther than water.

>>76591173
>having a guide to weight loss
Lol, lmao even.

I can tell you how to lose weight successfully and keep it off forever with only three words: STOP EATING CARBS.

how am i supposed to eat psyllum husk? this thing is beyond disgusting, if you try to dissolve in water it becomes a solid block of gel. are you supposed to swallow it dry? which makes me wonder, why the fuck would you want all your stomach contents to be turned into a solid block of congealed food and water? this is absolute nonsense, no wonder it causes so many intestinal obstructions.

>look somewhat normal from side
>look fat and pudgy from front
man isnt it supposed to be the opposite, wth

>>76591222
You don't, you eat fiberous veggies instead

>>76591188
You simply cannot get fat from eating protein and dietary fat. Here's a study showing hypercaloric protein diets don't cause increased body fat. It completely debunks CICO.

Body composition is a result of hormones not so-called "calories".

>>76591194
>excess fat is passed without being digested
That's not happening. You'd have horrific diarrhea if it did, Orlistat isn't used anymore for this reason.
The pancreas releases bile and lipases on command by the presence of fat on your stomach, it isn't modulated by insulin at all. This is why fatty stool is a symptom of your pancreas or bile duct being fucked.

>>76591222
you buy powder, dissolve it in cold water, and drink it before it turns into goop

>>76591222
just get the capsules

>>76591236
i tried that, but as soon as i mix it with water it turns into goop

>>76591229
this study was done on active mma fighters, could regular people replicate the results eating 3000 calories?

Best sources of essential fats that can be easily worked into a breakfast or supper?

>>76591229
>You simply cannot get fat from eating protein and dietary fat
I got fat on cheese and nuts nigga. Eating the healthiest diet possible but way too much of it.

How much dick have you guys recovered from the flab?

>>76591249
Nuts are carbs.

>>76591246
Eggs (yolks), cheese, cream, bacon, regular ground beef.

>>76591254
Not sure, but i think the optics of me being smaller make it look bigger

>>76591254
none but my erections are harder

>>76591257
>Peanut macros? Pure carbs, please ignore being 50% fat by mass
The same schizo ketonigger demographic that will also dilate over "seed oils" somehow.

>>76591276
No carb means no carb.

>>76591280
Carbs are the least essential macro which makes them ideal for cutting out to achieve a CALORIC DEFICIT, yes.

>>76591254
i haven't measured but my fat bulge around that area has shrunk

>>76591286
Carbs are fattening because they raise insulin.

The calorie measurement is unrelated to obesity. For example protein even on a hypercaloric diet cannot cause obesity. See: >>76591229

Imagine if jannies did their job.

>>76591325
sorry bro they cant deal with the keto schizo permanently fucking over the fat thread. Too busy trying to ban racism. As if 4chans primary reason for still existing is not that its users have been banned for racism from every other platform.

>>76591245
Kek every study she posts has a ton of flaws but people can't be assed to respond everytime she starts spamming

>>76591245
If CICO is false in MMA fighters it is false in everyone. Laws of physics are universal.

>>76591229
>You simply cannot get fat from eating protein and dietary fat.
Ooooooof

>>76591240
Don't do this. This is one of the biggest rip-offs in retail. Take a look at the picture I posted.

Per 5 capsules, you get 2 grams of fiber. That's less than half a gram of fiber per capsule. You're literally getting more calories out of the capsules from the filler than you are fiber.

>>76591380
The point is that a study with multiple confounding factors is irrelevant. What you're doing is a post hoc rationalization by inserting your premise back into the beginning of this study. It's a fallacy.

>>76591408
I'm glad you concede

>>76591406
It doesn't have "multiple confounding factors". They ate a hypercaloric diet with excess protein. They didn't gain body fat.

QED: Calories don't measure how obesogenic a food is.

>>76591222
Fiber is a waste product. You aren't supposed to eat it.

>>76591418
So you don't think the fact that the study subjects were non-standard people is a confounding factor.

>>76591380
you'd be willing to eat 3000 calories a day then

>>76591424
CICO claims to be a law of physics. Laws of physics apply to MMA fighters. They didn't gain body fat eating a hypercaloric diet with excess protein, therefore protein isn't fattening and CICO is false. You're grasping at straws because you are a nitwit incapable of learning something new.

You can also prove CICO is false with rodents. Pic related.

>>76591428
I eat unlimited calories.

>swapped the protein bar in my lunch with a pull-top tuna can
Holy shit what a gamechanger, tastes better, fewer calories, makes me feel more full. Only bad thing is I can't eat it every day.

>>76590727
post turkey chili recipe pls or at least give tips

>>76591477
Based. Made a much healthier choice. Bet it had more protein and was lower cal also. Try some canned chicken, its just as lean and you can have it on days you dont have the tuna

>>76591478
what the fuck is on ur hand

>>76591477
Take the cottage cheese pill.

>>76591499
its called a mcfillet I just ordered a double meat

>>76590813
4chan X, uncheck Stubs, enable recursive filtering

>>76591515
im lactose intolerant

What's for dinner guys?

>>76591571
its 2pm

>>76591571
my kisses are for dinner. are you hungry?

>>76591570
Lactose intolerant people can consume 1 cup of milk on an empty stomach in one sitting without symptoms.

>>76591571
chicken parm

>>76591571
I'm fasting today. Day 5 of my fast.

>>76591578
>Lactose intolerant people can consume 1 cup of milk on an empty stomach in one sitting without symptoms.
bullshit
I cannot handle 1 cup of milk.

my boss said i looked 'emaciated'

did i make it?

>>76591589
if he’s fat, no
if he’s slim, yes

>>76591589
post body

>>76591571
green beans with chicken breast and a banana as desert

>>76591571
Bacon egg and cheese sandwich

>>76591589
hes fishing for info, thinking you might be an addict, does he know youre on a diet?

>>76591592
he's really thin. he's trying to sabotage my progress because he fears my power.

>>76591585
I have a family member who pretends to be lactose intolerant but he clearly isn't.

Who diagnosed you with lactose intolerance and what tests did they do to confirm their diagnosis?

>>76591613
>Who diagnosed you with lactose intolerance and what tests did they do to confirm their diagnosis?
I drink milk, I experience the usual symptoms.

done

>>76591664
So you're not lactose intolerant.

Trying to do a 24hr fast but struggling
Send love pls

>>76591687
>So you're not lactose intolerant.
Okay buddy who made you the lactose intolerant doctor?

>>76591712
WAGMI

>>76591712
go out for a short walk. bring a drink.

>>76591737
Will that help?

>>76591726
Thx bby

>>76591740
>Thx bby
now kiss me

>>76591724
I became an expert in spotting lactose intolerant fakers after seeing it in real life. You self-diagnosed and did no testing to confirm your self-diagnosis.

People in countries where 90% of everyone is lactose intolerant still drink milk, eat cheese, etc. Fake lactose intolerant people act like it is an allergy.

You're not lactose intolerant.

>>76591744
that's gay

>>76591740
its a distraction, sure

>>76591748
>You self-diagnosed and did no testing to confirm your self-diagnosis.
There is no testing for food intolerances straight from a gastro.

>People in countries where 90% of everyone is lactose intolerant still drink milk, eat cheese, etc.
Yeah, and they probably shit themselves while also living in a third world country where hygiene is not a high matter

>Fake lactose intolerant people act like it is an allergy
People in first world countries are more likely to care about their hygiene and health.

>>76591712
Unlimited zero sugar drinks/black coffee + Ozempic/Mounjaro for appetite suppression, pretty much. Last year I lost insane weight in a month with this protocol + OMAD.

>>76591589
My mom would say I look "weak and need to eat more". To be fair, she's not wrong that I look like shit. Weight loss amplified my chud lines by like 300%.

>>76591795
To be fair, it's her motherly instinct to protect you. She rather you be fat and alive than starving. I'm not saying you're starving yourself, but from her perspective

>>76590200
>>76590210
>>76590174
>>76590223
It's not even him. It's an anon who said he has done keto before like 5 years ago that he posts to this day. Ketoschizo is a fat faggot who posts here 18 hours per day.

>>76590560
Carne asada

>>76589782
Ever since I added Calcium, Potasium and Sodium I noticed the following difference:
>Better bowel movement
>No sweating
>No brainfog
>No sense of exhaustion even after 11h shift
>Better mood, more assertive
>No joint paint
>Firmer grip
>Faster passage of time
Thought I'm not sure if it's because of this or because of the Fishy Beef Chow I've been eating for the last 3 days which one anon described as nutrient overload. Either way, both my macro and micro nutrients seem to be spot on so I'd say yes. Bit of pita to swallow 12 pills in the morning but if that's what it takes to make it work, then so be it.

>>76591763
Japanese people are lactose intolerant, drink milk, eat ice cream, eat pizza with mozzarella, etc. And they are cleaner than you will ever be.

You're simply not lactose intolerant. It's not an allergy.

Even if you were lactose intolerant (you're not) you could eat cottage cheese.

>>76591571
Forgot to thaw out chicken and I'm out of spinachs so I'm making a pizza on naan bread withs salsa, havarti, chopped up nuggies and a cheddar smokie sausage. Gonna be lit

>>76591861
>Japanese people are lactose intolerant, drink milk, eat ice cream, eat pizza with mozzarella, etc. And they are cleaner than you will ever be.


>I'm going to ignore 30+ countries that are lactose intolerant that count as third worlds
>here is 1 country that is considered first world and are lactose intolerant

Some people are more or less tolerant, some don't care. But in general first worlds care more about their health.

>>76591966
It's just silly to see people pretend to be lactose intolerant when they can't even fake it correctly. Lactose intolerant people can eat cheeses including cottage cheese.

Lactose intolerance is not a dairy allergy. It's not an autoimmune disease like celiac.

At least fake it better. Lactose intolerant people just can't drink more than 250ml of milk. Hope this helps you with your fake self-diagnosis.

>>76591861
Thank you. I have several self diagnosed lactose intolerant assholes in my life. They still eat dairy, they just like to be able to bitch about it

>>76591981
Are they all White? I know two White people who fake lactose intolerance which is absurd. Meanwhile non-Whites are enjoying dairy without complaining.

>>76591979
>Lactose intolerant people just can't drink more than 250ml of milk
you are wrong. sorry buddy but you are wrong.

>>76591999
yes, although one of them comes from a white family but somehow inherited dark skin and hair from an injun great grand parent or something. He weighs 400lbs

>made progress
>lost progress
>made progress
>lost progress
I shouldn't be allowed to buy food.

>>76591571
one pound turkey breast

>>76592016
Lactose intolerance is excessive fermentation of lactose by bacteria in your gut. You have to consume a significant amount to cause excessive fermentation.

It's not an allergy. It's not an autoimmune disease. It's literally just fermentation.

i ate 5 microwaved oreos and now i have a stumach ache

im starving and the turkey roast im cooking is going to take another hour and a half to finish

>>76592190
>turkey
gross

>>76592055
yes and I have excess fermentation in my intestines which exaggerate my symptoms

I still for the life of me cannot wrap my head around why anonymous posters would be so butthurt about my diet and trying desperately to get me to eat carbs

>>76592401
Vegans get upset by low-carb because people who figure out low-carb is the best diet will eat meat, eggs, and dairy.

101 grams of dry cereal for dinner today
life is good

>>76591498
canned chicken sounds terrible but it's not that bad, I kinda like it.

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Name: Dzonathan Gavert
Weight: 105kg

Overall progress:
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Motivational Song of the Day:
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18kg down in 61 days.
18kg to go in 110 days.

This just might happen.

>>76593054
do you weigh in here every day? are you not bothered it overwrites your previous result or do you just take it as it comes? good luck anon! i just gotten started but i only record my result once a week on friday right before the reset.

>>76593054
This nigga named dzonathan

>>76588528
Get an oil sprayer, they're so much better than pouring oil on your food/pan. It aerosols the oil, spreads it more evenly, I only need a couple pumps from mine to cook a whole meal which is less than 1g of oil. But even if I round up to 1g to log the calories its insignificant compared to pouring. Also makes me go through so much less oil. It saves a ton of money on olive oil, I've only had to refill mine once in almost a year of using it.

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