Thread 7697043

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7680483

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from Maleficarum Darkstalkers Ch. 9.

>>7697043 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7697044
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7697046
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

I didn't even realize we were on page 9 already. That alt+click to pin threads I learned a few weeks ago has been messing up.

>>7697043 (OP)
How do digital mangaka keep their art consistent? Every day that I draw, it feels like starting over. I have to get used to the tablet, the exact slipperyness, the condition of my pen nub, how good my eyes are, etc. It makes my strokes look completely different and I have to fiddle with the settings until I'm comfortable again.

>>7697116
That has nothing to do with the tool you use and everything with you not having enough mileage to consistently draw a subject

Ecchi dabbling phase is now over. Chapter 5 (and by extension story arc 2) storyboarding has begun. Nice to get into the trenches again.

>>7697119
damn....

>>7696735
Don't listen to those crybabies. These are funny and that one reads well. Keep it up.

>>7697116
I don't know how they do it, I struggled with style and consistency for a very long time not for a lack of mileage but because I can't grow without limitations. Some people already know what they want from their art and have their own "groove" so to speak, but I am not one of them.

Drawing traditionally is a huge pain in the butt, but it can be huge help if you are struggling to give your art a sense of identity.

What did you do to improve your manga today anons?

>>7697162
I haven’t drawn a manga page in 3 years fml

>>7697147
you guys should open a club for tiny penised men

>>7697215
If penises are on your mind take that shit to >>7694093

Been a rough week, thought I'd never get another page out

>>7697296
>>7683223
previous page

Realistically speaking, what would a success story of a western manga maker, in the year 2025, look like?
Your comic should look like something you could find in Shonen Jump, no tumbler nsfw nonsense.
Genre: battle shonen, shonen romance or sport, isekai is dead.
At least 3-5 good waifus.
So far so good, right?
But now the release schedule. Idealy it should be the standard 16-18 pages per week.
If it less than i chapter per week, i dont think you would gain enough traction.
What about the publishing? Patreon or one of those American online publishing platforms.

When you have to produce 4 chapters per week, it can only work digital. If you have only a screen less tablet, it makes it harder, linework on a screen tablet is 30 to 100% faster.

You would have to grind for months, maybe even years without financial compensation. Without burning out and killing yourself.
And still, the chance of making it is very low.

Its not really a doomer post, making comics is cool and fun (sometimes) but im really not sure if any of us can make money off of it. (which is sad)

>>7697296
the scrawled blurry backgrounds clash with the characters and is really distracting. i assume this isnt finished?

>>7697337
idk. im doing it for fun. i dont care if it doesnt get popular

>>7697337
There are a lot of people making money off their comics. Idk why you think larping as a jump mangaka is the only way to go about it.

>>7697337
>but im really not sure if any of us can make money off of it
I have fans donate money from time to time to help out on costs a small bit. I don't need to make money off my comic. Getting genuine comments and any fanart people want to make is all the "payment" I need.

>>7697343
It's a finished page... It's a balance I'm trying to figure out.
I want the backgrounds to resemble anime backgrounds, they have a nice almost realistic look to them that I think makes the characters also appear more realistic even though they are drawn simply. I hope I can one day mimic this phenomenon

>>7697350
For me oil painting is more fun, at least it feels less like work. Painting from live, whatever i want that what i would prefer to do, if money is not part of the equation.
>>7697368
> There are a lot of people making money off their comics.
It depends on your age and the country you re living in.
To do it fulltime, i would need at least 2k before taxes, realistically more like 3k.
>>7697369
> Getting genuine comments and any fanart people want to make is all the "payment" I need.
Imagine how much fanart and letters a top shonen jump cartoonist gets.

>>7697337
>Realistically speaking, what would a success story of a western manga maker, in the year 2025, look like?

People don't really do much research, but a lot of small-time artists out there are making a lot of money, but it requires a lot of work, and a lot of investment into your own brand/comic/properties. You really have to be multi-faceted, and willing to do many things, even some stuff you might not want to do.

You're probably not going to be making shitloads of money just off your comic alone, you'd probably need to be generating it in other methods, this includes:

Actually making your comic, might get some donations on your site.
Similarly, setting up a patreon.
Sales of physical books.
Creation of other physical merch, like key chains, cards, stickers, posters/prints, etc. Basically running your own shop.
On top of that, before your own IP gets known, you're probably making a lot of merch based on whatever IPs are hot right now, and selling that.
Running convention circuits.
Crowdfunding some your books and stuff.
Possibly even selling some of your own original art, though most artists doing all the above have little time for commissions.
Promoting your brand and making videos on YT, getting revenue there.

It really looks and sounds like you need like at least a dozen or so different methods all generating small to moderate amounts of income, rather than just making a bajillion dollars off of your comic. Some people at bigger cons if you hit the right crowds and have the right merch can easily pull in 5 figures in a 3-4 day weekend. But it requires a lot of work

>>7697337
There's too many unimportant details in this post
The core question is "what does a success story of a western manga maker in 2025 look like"
The release schedule, page count, genre, number of waifus, etc, these are petty details, they don't answer the core question at all.

Anime is popular in the west... but its popularity is not 1:1 to Japan, the tastes are slightly different. Some of the most popular series in Japan are completely unknown in the west, this is important to acknowledge.
Speaking of which genres are alive or dead is generally referring to Japanese tastes and may not be reflected in western tastes. Same thing with the number of waifus, frankly waifus and idol culture are not as big a thing in the west as in Japan, it's a meaningless metric.

Release schedule should be weekly, hell I'd say even daily but that isn't humanly possible. The more frequently you post, the more attention you get. The more time you don't post, the more people forget you even exist.

>>7697337
>what would a success story of a western manga maker
>Genre: battle shonen, shonen romance or sport, isekai is dead.
>At least 3-5 good waifus.
>But now the release schedule. Idealy it should be the standard 16-18 pages per week.
Well step 1 is to realize there's more manga than just that. Is Urasawa not a successful manga author? Is Jiro Taniguchi not a successful manga author? Kaiji Kawaguchi? Inio Asano? FKMT? Yoshihiro Yamada? Junji Ito? I can go on. Point is, that's a bizarre limitation you're set there.

>>7697147
thanks anon
>>7697102
yeah the main thing I wanted to capture was the smashed head and the blood fuck you on the table, wasn't really worried on the motion/action this time.

>>7697337
/thread

>>7697337
>4 chapters a week
my sides

>>7697337
>written by a retard with zero page drawn and even less OCs created

>>7697337
can't even pyw
>>7697043 (OP)
also trying to create some hybrid beast/monsters for a one shot.

>>7697500
Cool beasties anon.

>>7697500
thought: add horns to those monkes
different shaped ones too, so in an action sequence the reader can visually tell which is which

>>7697337
Great. Now you made weebs who want become a "mangaka" seeth, I hope you're proud of yourself, anon.

>>7697473
>Tumblr gif
>in 2025
grim

>>7697642
I'm seething so hard rn!
How could I ever expect to put out 4 chapters a week!?

>>7697647
....you are quite literally seething...

>>7697370
it looks that way because its animation, not still images. anime backgrounds arent drawn badly either, unless you are trying to replicate blur effects during action clips. it looks that way because its mimicking motion. pages dont move

>>7697650
Yeah, I just said I was. Are you a parrot?

>>7697722
5gum

>>7697500
cool art

>>7697337
my definition of success is being an old man in my 80's, on my deathbed knowing i'll leave behind a cool little collection of stories and works, even if no one reads them or likes them
>>7697350
based

>>7697877
if no one likes them they aren't cool though

>>7697406
> you need like at least a dozen or so different methods all generating small to moderate amounts of income
DOUBT.
I dont think its a good idea to spread your creativity butter thinly over too much bread.

>>7697162
I increased my hate for society

>>7697912
> I increased my hate for society

>>7697926
That's probably you. Soiled shit kid living in white neighborhoods thinking the world is a flower field.

>>7697941
> That's probably you.
Dont compare me with this boy.

>>7697162
I've been too busy with real life to work on it...

>>7697941
nobody cares about the shitty place you come from, you either draw or you don't

>>7697941
Why the fuck would you live in a nigger neighborhood? Did your parents hate you, or did you hate them?

>52 posts into a new thread
>only four (4) anons have posted their comics that they've been working on
):<

>>7697162
I rested :)

>>7698062
You are not one of those four, amiright?

>>7698062
I can only work on manga when my life is good and I'm in a comfortable position.

>>7697948
will keith is a such a nice dude desu

>>7698114
You working on your comic needs to become your good and your comfortable

>>7698089
No, I posted. I was just hoping more would post their works/comic-making progress too.

>>7698062
I got sidetracked and just started working on promo art instead of the actual work itself.
I'll get back to work, boss

>>7698153
you're right...

>>7697912
What exactly do you hate?

>>7698062
I used to post my work here, but lately i have been depressed amd oftenly what people says about my work here makes me feel discouraged and embarrassed of doing lame stuff

>>7698212
Don't get sad. Get motivated.

How do you guys do your panel box lines?

I have some set shapes that are the thicknesses for the gutter, and a box for the entire page, and then I just trace the panel shapes around these

>>7698281
clip studio has a tool specifically for this

>>7698281
I use photoshop, but I just use the shape tool. It's really easy to use unless you're doing some super odd shape.

>>7698279
My life sucks and i almost made cry my therapist to the point he took vacations

>>7698062
I posted in the last thread, but I just finished chapter 30.

>>7698212
i'm more bothered by the fact that some people seem to feel discouraged by whatever success they think I have so I honestly don't like to impose. I just like talking shop.

I think I'm going to buy an ad. At least for a few weeks, see how it goes.
Anyone ever advertise anywhere?

stop
you don't need to feel good or happy or motivated
you need discipline, sit your white ass down and do some work, even if just for an hour, do the work
you think your favorite artists enjoyed every day of doing what they do? hell no, some days suck, maybe most days, but you gotta do it
(unless you're in a big mess like on the verge of homelessness or having a serious medical issue or are being gangstalked)

>>7698332
When I uploaded to Globalcomix they kind of advertised on my behalf for a small while, albeit indirectly. At the time my last chapter was published/uploaded there, they prominently listed my comic on their indie creations page as the first thing you saw for a good few weeks. I was frankly surprised to get mentioned at all, let alone a big ol' image right there if anybody clicked on the indie comics portal.

>>7698384
Very nice, did you notice an increase in traffic?
I had almost a week on the MCPs new updates page since it was either a very slow week, or there was some issue with people uploading.

But I was thinking about buying a banner ad on some zoomer website, or maybe a reel on instagram or tiktok. But then I would probably have to install those.

>>7698333
you're not stronger for living in a third world country. Your mental is way more fragile than ours since we're bombadrded by jewish psychops from birth.

>>7698206
>What exactly do you hate?
Stupid people, ugly people, bitches, etc. Basically 99% of society.

>>7698451
t. stupid ugly bitch

>>7698451
anon, b-but you enter in every single one of those categories!

>>7698384
Do globalcomix do that? I remember uploading and just getting 4 clicks, since then i haven't check and wanted to delete my page since is seemingly useless

>>7697337
>Genre: battle shonen, shonen romance or sport, isekai is dead.
>At least 3-5 good waifus.
>4 chapters per week
esl or retarded?

>>7698451
>Stupid people, ugly people, bitches
self hate isnt healthy anon

>>7698514
per month obviously

Is globalcomix good? I find the site confusing to navigate

why do you guys ask
>is this site good
wouldn't you want to publish to as many places as possible?

>>7698542
yeah but its a lot of work... I gotta make banners and icons and shit...

>>7698418
>did you notice an increase in traffic?
With GC, yes. I had their app installed as well and once they did that every single day I would wake up and see notifications on people following the series. The view count for each episode would also slowly but surely go up too. I'm not saying I was doing the crazy gangbusters numbers some indie creators enjoy (assuming here that no bot shenanigans were involved), but there was definitely a marked increase.
>>7698524
Overall as an uploader and end user, GC has done well enough for me. I think they have the nicest webreader that works smoothly regardless of how you are viewing it (phone website, normal website, phone application, etc). Their main page is confusing, granted. No idea why it has to be organized that way.

>>7698166
Here, have this cockroach I drew :)

>>7698599
I'll start using it then. You convinced me with the nice webreader, I really hate mangaplus's resizing.

How many unique view you have gotten on globalcomix? I have 5 only so i'm going to delete my account later

>>7698690
Im not a fan of the Turks myself

>>7698734
Show a pic? Only 5 views? How long ago did you upload?

>>7698062
I'm not touching my tablet for at least a month!!!

>>7698062
I'm working a one-page Ritsuko/Rei hentai. Just for fun. Getting their faces right is a pain.

>>7698702
>mangaplus
MPC has one of the most mindbogglingly bad comic-readers and overall general site UI I've ever encountered. Like "damn son what the fuck are you doing" level of bad.

>>7698790
post it and I will decide if its worth continuing

>>7698889
I think you meant to respond to >>7698734

>>7698790
Earlier this year, it's been up a few months already

>>7698889
Also it's not like i'm not going to continue, just not on globalcomix, on other sites i have 500 views, and +5000 in other

I cant conceive of people enjoying superhero comics, they're such shit. What the fuck is even going on in this panel. Its the death of the hulk it should be a huge moment, but its got the most nonsensical paneling ever. Thats not even getting into the circular story telling, same shit over and over and over again, atleast isekais have gimmicks to make them different

>>7699391
I'm confused. He gets hit in the head, but what is the bottom left panel supposed to be showing?

>>7699448
he gets shot from in front by Hawkeye, then again from behind?

do you guys have any particular creators that fill you with a mix of jealousy and inspiration? like you see their work and it hits super hard that you want to do the same thing and express yourself and make a bunch of characters and a world that people love and get attached to and form memories

>>7699462
But he only has 1 arrow sticking out of him in the second to last panel. Maybe we're missing some context.

>>7699467
If I can get even 10% as good as Kaoru Mori's Otoyomegatari, I will consider myself as having made it as an artist skill-wise.
On the other hand, I used to think Magus of the Library was nice but the more I read the more I realized a lot of everything was only made with copious amounts of 3d asset work... which to be frank really ruined the amount of enjoyment I got from the visuals since the first manga I listed by contrast is drawn and made completely without using 3d assets.

>>7699467
I would say fujimoto, but i don't know if he has inspired me quite a bit

just saw a job opening for children's book illustrator
there's not a lot of illustrators in my country and looking at the art for children's stuff, most of it looks pretty simple so maybe my skill level might still be good enough for them
i have until the end of September to send them a portfolio
seriously considering pausing my webmanga and putting together a couple of pieces for them
I was gonna have to take a break after finishing this project to practice so maybe I might as well do it knowaltho it pains me to pause work on my project
its also kinda of a government job so i wouldn't be getting scammed

To all you fags who have been procrastinating on starting your comic!
>What's your comic about?

the analytics in globalcomix is crazy, you can see how many pages a visit reads and from where they found your comic. I just started posting the first chapter yesterday and I can see that people come from what I assume are other comics and then they click a thumbnail of mine. The analytics tell me they are reading every page, but I still have 0 likes or followers so I guess this tells me a lot. Maybe this tech is not that mindblowing but I wonder why other sites dont show it as well.

>>7699666
>there's not a lot of illustrators in my country and looking at the art for children's stuff, most of it looks pretty simple so maybe my skill level might still be good enough for them
Children's books are in a weird category because you have the entire spectrum of skill and artistry when it comes time to illustrate them. I have extended family with kids and I've gone through all the books to take a look at the artwork and the skill bar to meet is not just on the ground but straight up in the boiler room in hell. You can literally draw stick figures like XKCD and probably somehow still find a publisher, that's how bad things are right now.
>>7699672
>Maybe this tech is not that mindblowing but I wonder why other sites dont show it as well
A lot of those tools are only available for commercial accounts on purpose, or they're kept away from you unless you pay to unlock them, or the host is straight up too lazy to bother to offer it in the first place.
Another site in my opinion that has decent enough analytic tools is INKR.

>>7699681
yeah I know, I have some books from when I was a kid, some of them have god tier art, others are close to stick figure
from what I read online, they prefer the simpler stuff cause its faster to pump out so yeah
idk maybe i'll give it a shot unless some other work opportunity comes up

>>7699666
I made a childrens book. I say take the gig if you can get it.
I'm probably going to have to self publish, because I didn't check the right boxes in my work, and 80% of the publishers I've looked into want to focus of things I don't care to draw.
So, be prepared to also draw some gay stuff.

>>7699520
I feel the same with Shadow's House. The 3D in the BG's has always been obvious, but at least the characters used to hide it fairly decently until about volume 5 or 6

How to write a very short 1-2 pages story without turning it into a silly joke?

>>7699801
Creepy pastas do it. I still remember some that were just a few lines.
Write an incredibly short story, then just pad it out.

>>7699467
Shirahama Kamome, the paneling, world and characters of Witch Hat amaze me every time I flip through a volume. I take a lot of inspiration from her when doing my own thing.

>>7699668
I change my mind every fucking day

>>7699668
i havent been procrastinating so i wont be answering that

>>7699668
It's a DMC fanfic that continues the story after dmc 5 but takes the story and art in a bit more of a shonen/edgier tone, aswell as taking influence for the story and ideas from other media i like. Picrel but it's old art and not up to my standard anymore

>>7699801
> How to write a very short 1-2 pages story
I i knew i would have already done it.

>>7700090
I kind of know how to write short stories, but drawing them too is really difficult. You have to really commit to the story you came up with, which makes it really difficult to be satisfied with it.

>>7700165
> I kind of know how to write short stories
Hmmm, I'm not sure about that.

>>7699668
Probably shouldnt be trying to make an ensemble story similar to Snatch as my first story but whatever.

Its about a streamer girl and her manager boyfriend who stumble upon part of a government black project, a pair of cleaners, with orders to kill anybody who comes across this mess, a fan/stalker girl of the streamer, and an oldman after revenge.

Plots mainly in 3 perspectives, with the characters usually in pairs, so it shouldnt be that hard to balance.

Realistically, itll be a mess, but im always up for a challenge, and I know what my themes are and what each of my characters purposes and endings are.

>>7699668
Ones a spiderman bootleg where he smokes meth with a hooker. The other one (wich I've actually made some pages for) is about Mario being a freemason and initiating children into the occult. So far I've got 3 chapters in a zine by some dude, just finished the script on chapter 4.

>>7700168
Think whatever you want. Theoretically, writing stories is not even that hard. You just have to think backwards and begin with the climax. The climax is always the most important part in a story.

>>7700598
> writing stories is not even that hard
Now im sure.

>>7700507
McBurg anon, my humble two cents for a quick edit that can be performed even though you essentially have a completed page. I know the following is going to sound nitpicky as all hell but honest to god it's what my eyes immediately focused on as a reader.
Crazy guy's right arm (left from our perspective) - the elbow joint doesn't quite make sense to me. The lower half of the arm should not be blocking view of the inner elbow crevice, at least not to that amount. Go and recreate his arm's position yourself and you'll see what I mean. There shouldn't be anything blocking view of the inner elbow to that extent from the angle we are viewing the action in that panel.

>>7700624
I said theoretically, dumbfuck. Obviously in practice it's harder.

Has anyone here ever successfully copied the art style of your favorite mangaka and used it in your own work?

>>7697296
posting page

>>7700759
Nice! That first panel is really immersive, the perspective is great.

some new pages finally, let me know if anything is whack

>>7700690
Yeah and I realize sometimes maybe I love my "teacher" a little too much but I'm the only person it's ever bothered.

>>7700759
big fan of the shadows in the first panel, I feel like I can touch them.

>>7700982
Where you been

>>7700982
Dude, it's been several threads in a row without anything from you, lol. Were you just radio silent?
>Yes. I'm black now.
Kek

>>7697043 (OP)
I cant draw anime waifus well despite having a story

>>7700996
Just made them suggestive enough or well endowed, weebs won't care about anything else

>>7700987
kek, that's funny
all these are looking good king
keep working

>>7701004
>Just made them suggestive enough or well endowed, weebs won't care about anything else


Can't seem to get clean line art.

>>7700995
I just loose all motivation to draw from time to time, comes in periods.
But now it's fun to draw again!

>>7701020
Are you going to post something so people can help you or are you just going to keep complaining?

>>7701101
Symmetry tool aside, the character is nice. But If you want clean lineart then make faster, smoother pen strokes and that's probably not the pen to be using.

>>7700690
Depends on what you mean "successfully". What is "success" in that context? Just making a financially viable comic? Being a perfect imitation of the style? Or just being close enough that people go "oh, this looks a lot like x artist, I wonder if they studied under them or something".
Genuine question btw. Please reply.

>>7699668
War, lots and lots of rape, and some more war.

>>7700987
This world is so awesome.

>>7701101
So cute!

>>7699666
>its also kinda of a government job so i wouldn't be getting scammed
Anon...

Welding clases or first aid clases? Which would give you more material to use in writting?

>>7701230
>Symmetry tool aside, the character is nice. But If you want clean lineart then make faster, smoother pen strokes and that's probably not the pen to be using.

Thanks anon. Im using a mouse. Just can't seem to get clean nice lines or good character proportions even when drawing on paper.

Have tried drawing tablets but people often gloss over the brush stroke settings or techniques for drawing anime faces and hair when looking up books and tutorials. So ended up just using a mouse instead. Im at the point where my mouse drawings are little different than pencil drawings so its a lack of technique more than anything.

i like how this page turned

>>7701393
>a second /mmg/ anon using a mouse
ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON

>>7701451
He's the third sadly.
We can never be at net zero. Im not offering to ship my old pad to another 3rd world country again.

>>7701410
you shouldn't post your real artwork if you post cringe /b shit... /ic 101
people will track you

>>7701514
How can you even tell?

>>7701514
>/b
>/ic
>telling other anons how to post
lmao

>>7701101
AYO WTF YOU DOIN IN /ALG/ BRO??

>>7701516
you can tell better from this one

>>7701539
just advice do whatever you want, if you are cringe anon you might be too young to realize you're fucking yourself up playing pretend edgy.

>>7701547
where are this dude's socials so we can confront him

>>7701393
Well a big part of line art of line weight and you can't do that with a mouse. Although it is possible to make cool stuff with no line variation, you'll have to find and study people who draw like that.

>>7701547
Lmao is that actually the same anon?

>>7701101
sherou!

Is it normal to get bored of the story your telling? I was super into it, but I've sorta lost the spark with the current stuff I'm doing. Im still making it, but I dont know if its me just entering a sort of depressive arc, or that its actually just boring to the reader.

I wanna get to the exciting stuff, and Im sorta inclined to just move on and draw some of the more exciting stories Ive thought out, but I've heard this is common, and alot of artists just get bored of their comic people like halfway through.

>>7701680
Yes that's normal. In fact I imagine quite a few authors felt the same way while making your favorite manga.

>>7701680
it would be best to get that feedback from your audience

let the man post his edgy gore comics. If we can't experiment in /mmg/ then where can we go?

>>7701706
exactly, weird how everybody is being so weird about it. If your reading this dude, your cool, keep it up

>>7701706
Who's stopping you? Just post it

>>7701582
>>7701504

I do have a pen tablet but its not one of the screen ones. Could not find any info on pen brush settings in krita or Clip Studio Paint. All the fags on twtich would just LARP about "muh practice" and then quickly tweak some stroke settings and refuse to elaborate.

>>7701542
What is /alg/? AI Lora General?

>>7701718
>/alg/
Its just a troll anon.

>>7701393
you got to force yourself to use the tablet and get used to it. Heres what works for me after years of fumbling:
>make a thick brush with just a little bit of pressure sensitivity and warm up with it
>draw at a larger scale and zoom out while you draw
>copy half the body and then make it faded out so you can trace over it for the second half, this will keep symmetry and soul at the same time while making both halves look slightly different, which is good

>>7701393
Have you ever tried using a stabilizer? Dont use it too much or else it becomes a crutch, but its what helped me personally when I was at first trying to transition from physical paper to a drawing monitor. At the time, I was annoyed that I was slipping and sliding everywhere with my stylus like a fat man covered in bacon grease.

>>7701715
Are you serious man?
Open the drawing software.
Click real g-pen.
Draw.

>>7701680
yes thats normal, actually its the norm
writers, mangaka, directors whatever, spend a lot of time with their stories, eventually the excitement turns into the mundane and the spark will go away
this is the norm, you just got to push through it, don't rush to the exciting bits, just grind it out

What do you guys think about illustrated short stories or novels?

>>7701547
Jesus christ when did we turn into reddit?
Stop being a faggot please.

>>7701547
>>7701514
so I can only post my serious stuff and not my shit posts?

>pyw
>get doxxed
see, this is why nobody posts their work in other threads

What manga format is the best to start with? 1 or 2 pages? 6-8? 16-18?

>>7701849
>>7701828
Post whatever you want you cringelords, why are you so spineless? You can easily grift the MAGA base with this stuff, I'm sure the kids on roblox would pay good robux for these spicy memes.

>>7701514
>>7701547
>>7701828
edgy but they're kind of fun
reminds me of another shitposter

never post your real work, anon
fags want drama

I should probably go to /3dcg/ for this but what program do I (learn to) use for backgrounds? I have to frequently use a setting and need consistency. I don't think I need something elaborate either I just need a 3D rendition of where things should be

>>7701828
>>7701547
Soulless, ngl

>>7701896
>I should probably go to /3dcg/ for this but what program do I (learn to) use for backgrounds?
Why not just...... you know, draw the background? Nobody outside the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom is going to be that autistically focused on your IP.

>>7701950
I can draw it, just not very good. Bad, even.
>Nobody is going to be that autistically focused on your IP
But I am

>>7701969
You'd be fine looking at a blatant 3d background all the time for your own work? How are you going to get better at doing backgrounds? Unlike animu grill floating in white void #298487234857, you're going to have to do background panels to help set the tone/location of a setting. For all of those it's all going to be the same 3d model?

>>7701976
Is that so bad?

I'm the anon who was having problems with the Deleter paper.
So just for shit and giggles, I decided to buy the cheapest local brand of Indian ink I have available in my country. And to my surprise, it caused zero bleeding and zero feathering.
This thing was a fraction of the price I paid for the other inks, and it worked much, much better. It seems to actually be an acrylic paint sold as Indian ink. I have to clean my nibs more often, but as long as it works, I'm happy.

>>7701999
Not the worst, but it does equate to a perpetual -1 or -2 on the whole "reader getting sucked into the world/setting" thing for me. It's not the end all be all, but it always sticks out as a sore thumb.

>>7701711
>>7701706
I'm pretty sure it's one person samefagging.
The regulars in the discord dont whine like this.

>>7702006
These lines still look heavy as sin but if adjusting your habits is too much effort for the payoff then the flexibility of materials will always be there. I swap between nibs and multiliners for different tasks, there's no rule that says you have to stay committed to any specific tool. I've seen people use ballpoints. Glad you found a solution.

>>7702042
>The regulars in the discord
Discordtrannies don't get an opinion.

>can't have fun anywhere
>can't have fun in the discord because anything slightly """offensive""" is an excuse for sociopathic troons to live out their power fantasies
>can't be edgy because it's cringe and retards will never stop crying
>you're just not allowed to post anything unless it's porn
>when porntards samefags you're not allowed to say anything or """ur jelly crab"""
you know what
imma go be racist irl and carry a gun

>>7702215
>this triggered over words
You won't do shit you dumb snowflake, carry yourself onto the short bus and get an education.

>>7701808
I think they're not comics.

>>7701849
You realize this is the first time this has happened in these threads, right?
And it's not doxxing. You don't know what doxxing is if this is doxxing to you. Recognizing an art style is not fucking doxxing lmao.

>>7701999
Honestly it's mostly just 4chan that seems to care. Never seen anybody give anything close to a shit about 3d usage in backgrounds outside of 4chan. I've even had other people ask me why I'm not using 3d for backgrounds, lol.

>>7702215
Who the fuck are you quoting newfag?

>>7702292
most manga readers are well below the 100IQ average. They litearlly skip text boxes when they dont feel like reading, and they need to be told what happens because they can't gather information from a scene with their eyes using context clues. These are the majority of people discussing manga on normal sites out there. I don't know about /a/, I haven't been there in years.

>>7702317
>you have to tell and point it out several times and be extremely obvious at it because they lack a brain
You're just describing the average cattle

Honestly, i tried the whole show don't tell but it doesn't work with the modern audience.
Doesn't even work with artists.

>>7702326
Maybe your show just isn't good enough

>>7702317
>most manga readers are well below the 100IQ average.
And that includes 4chan.
>I don't know about /a/, I haven't been there in years.
I promise you they're not smarter than the average manga reader just because they use this website instead of different one.

>>7702326
It is very difficult to pull off, yes.

>>7702326
If it really is that bad, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to restructure my entire manga. Maybe it's only for certain genres, like horror or SoL readers would actually put time into taking apart panels.

>>7702326
> it doesn't work with the modern audience
Im watching Alien Earth, usually i dont really do shows and have not participated in online discussions of ongoing shows for years now. I liked some motives of this show, so i was part of the threads on tv. And it is really, really grim. ADHD zoomers are unable to follow a stupid sci fi show about aliens. I shit you not 1 of 5 comments, was some fucking second sreen zoomer, who couldnt follow the plot.

>>7702328
>maybe you just need to show more and do exactly what you shouldnt do
based retard
>>7702329
It's difficult because the consumer base are basically swines now. So whatever you're throwing, it's pointless if you don't stab out their eyes.
>>7702331
That's the issue.
When a decade ago you had just a few people in a hobby who were retarded and relentless in their retardation, they now make up the majority of everything.
You can't do shit with non people like that around.

>>7702330
>>7702331
Guys newsflash the only part of this unique to modern readers is that now you can see them telling on themselves in the comments.

>>7702215
I dont remember anyone in the discord being a faggot about anything, but I was only there for a week or so.

> Refusal of the Call: The hero’s initial hesitation, driven by fear or doubt.
Battle shonens dont really do that, am i right?
A shonen mc is much more motivated than a normal hero?
I have a feeling most storys, dont know why they do this troop. Its conflict, but how does it work for characterization?
Why would a hero refuse an adventure?
A young hero should be overconfident and not hesitant, or not?
In most cases, this hesitation looks forced, anyway. Do you want to go on a dangerous adventure. No. Pls. Okay, ill do it...

I try to find a strong motivation for my mc, thats not too cheesy. For example, i want to save my village(that one is cheesy). Its a personal, strong motivation. But then, when you follow the heroes journey structure, he has to be like, naaaah, its too dangerous, i dont want to save the village. Something minor happens. Yeah, okey fine, i will do it.

Do you guys understand what i mean? It lets you mc look like an asshole, no?

Writing stories is too hard. I always have things I want to draw, but I just don't know how to tell a short story with it. It's so unfair. Some people just magically get all these ideas, but I get absolutely nothing.

>>7702353
>why would a person not immediately jump headfirst into danger
Come on man, use some empathy. Surely you understand why a character might hesitate.

>>7702353
>For example, i want to save my village(that one is cheesy). Its a personal, strong motivation. But then, when you follow the heroes journey structure, he has to be like, naaaah, its too dangerous, i dont want to save the village
Well it's good thing the most iconic hero's journey story has this setup then huh. Frodo doesn't want to be an adventurer or hero, but Gandalf essentially chooses him to be the ringbearer to save the world, and the Shire, from destruction. He refuses the call, but is convinced to at least take the ring to Strider. But Strider refuses to take the ring, and so Frodo now has the responsibility to carry the ring. I may be forgetting exactly what happens here but the broadstrokes are that the unassuming, reluctant hobbit is given the duty of carrying the ring to mount doom over the obvious hero Strider, because Gandalf recognizes that Frodo has what it takes to carry the task through.
The whole point of the reluctant hero trope is to show somebody who is "normal" or not hungry for adventure being thrust into a role they don't want and revealing a capacity for heroism they themselves didn't know. A lot of shounen manga protagonists are explicitly not "normal, unassuming" people, while some are.

>>7702292
Early on I got attacked by a high skilled nobody just for merely referencing my own sets, it can happen anywhere.

>>7702330
The worst thing you can do is change everything for dumdums, because you'll never have anyone to talk to who has something worthwhile to say. And most of them will be under the age of 20, if you want that.

>>7702383
>it can happen anywhere.
I did say "mostly".

>>7702353
all stories can be boiled down to a few sentences, dont worry about something being cheesy. just make it good.

Writing stories so strange. Some people are just born with a gift to tell stories. There just is no way to learn it. How do you come up with some kind of twist? There is no way to figure it out. Either you get the idea or you don't.

>>7702295
probably not a newfag, I've seen a few anons that reply without quoting for some reason,

>>7702386
I guess I just don't think that. The bad attitude towards reference usage of any kind especially among younger people is just too common to overlook.

>>7702435
Stories are a purely mental thing, and unlike drawings they aren't self evident. The value of a story is judged by other people even if it's just one person other than yourself. Some people can be more in touch with others intuitively and some have to work to gain that perspective through experience, so it's not like there's no way to learn it at all. You as a person might have limits to how good you are at observing and listening, but if you're just terrible at that then there's probably little you can do.

>>7702435
reference your lived experiences and how they made you feel. Your hopes and fears from the past can become twists in your stories.

>>7702478
>how good you are at observing and listening
Observing and listening has little to nothing to do with story telling. Just because you are good at telling jokes (which is like 90% of manga short stories) doesn't mean you are any better at observing and listening. It just means you are good at telling jokes.

>>7702484
Great, a character lives in a shitty building full of shitskins, and his communist government tells him to stfu. He doesn't stfu and goes to jail. End of story. Fantastic

>>7702462
Green text is used to quote a line of text. It used to be common to make fun of people fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of greentext by using it to describe something they made up instead of an actual line of text being quoted. I guess this is lost of people nowadays though.

>>7702478
>The bad attitude towards reference usage of any kind especially among younger people is just too common to overlook.
Where are you observing this bad attitude toward reference usage?

>>7702489
You don't have to literally copy/paste shit from your life onto the page. You could employ metaphor, or allegory, or even just change details but otherwise literally depict things. This shit isn't just a gift you're born with, you can also, y'know, use your fucking brain to tell a personal story but obfuscate it so it isn't literally just a retelling of your boring gay life, and come up with something more compelling than "and then he killed himself the end".

>greentext is used to quote
>because i am totally an oldfag pls respect meee
>his source is basically r*ddit
>filtered himself this easily
shut the fuck up newfagoot

>>7702492
>This shit isn't just a gift you're born with, you can also, y'know, use your fucking brain
Ok, mr smartass, then how do you write a twist? That's what stories are all about. Twists and jokes. You can not explain how to write a twist, because it's different for every story. That's why it's not something you can learn. It's like a magic trick. Not everyone can be a magician.

>>7702498
Who are you quoting?

>>7702500
>then how do you write a twist?
In broad strokes, introduce new information that changes the perception of the current situation.
"I came here to kill you! Oh no, you're actually my dad!? Now I'm conflicted about my goal!"
>That's what stories are all about. Twists and jokes.
Lol what? Consume more stories holy shit.
>That's why it's not something you can learn.
Not with this fucking attitude.

>>7702500
ok, give up

You should totally want to learn how to write from someone who thinks greentext is quoting.
Might as well learn to swim from a paraplegic.

>>7702501
>"I came here to kill you! Oh no, you're actually my dad!? Now I'm conflicted about my goal!
The most shitty twist I ever heard. You obviously know less about storytelling than me

>>7702512
I'm starting to think this guy doesn't actually want to make manga :/

>>7702326
Can you show us what you did and tell us what you were trying to communicate?

McBurg anon, what is the actual name of your comic? I think you started following me today, and I just realized I should make sure I've also got everyone here followed as best as possible so as to keep better tabs on new episodes/chapters.

God I hate when I read old chapters and think it's shit and get that urge to redraw

>>7702574
did you publish already? if not just redo it

>>7702524
Monday's Forecast for Hareyakana-shi

>>7702500
sending you to the gulag was the right choice, tell your "guv'ment" they did a good job filtering you.

Would you date the main character of your comic?
[spoiler]would they date you?

>>7702829
I'll have you know all of my characters are anon-sexual. This fact was reviewed and checked by true /mmg/ patriots.

>>7702829
I am not gay and neither is he, so no.

>>7702829
Id put him in a collar and he'd be panting and moaning like a dumb idiot

>>7702829
This might actually be a good exercise for writing likeable characters. Not necessarily dating but just asking yourself "if I met my character irl would I want to hang out with him?"

>>7702605
>did you publish already?
Yeah. But I guess it's because since is my work I read it more than anyone so I can nitpick everything

>>7702829
I would but she wouldn't

>>7702979
"A lot of people like Rorschach, but how many people would want to hang out with a narrow minded psychopath that smellsb ike an unwashed hobo if they had the choice to hang out with anybody else?" The answer is surprisingly high! I've been to conventions - so many people need to learn to take a goddamn shower, holy shit.

>>7703092
I wish this would get animated someday, reminds me of weird cartoons like duckman.

>>7703092
nice artstyle

>>7702829
No, she's a man hating cunt.

>>7702609
Weird name choice for a comic about aliens

>>7701514
so you're saying that i (>>7701410) did this (you)?

Got a couple of follows for my comic from other /mmg/ anons on GC. Appreciate the follows/support guys, I'll keep at it.

>>7702215
>>can't have fun in the discord because anything slightly """offensive""" is an excuse for sociopathic troons to live out their power fantasies
no the discord is all edgy but weirdly whiny at the same time, if anything they are the kind to complain about trannies but in a way that sounds like they are actually gonna cry because someone with she/her on their bio was mean to them

>>7702215
insane how every reply just confirms what this post says

Just thumbnailed a short 1 page manga story. What do you think?
The panel layout and speech bubble positioning still needs adjustments.
I just wanted to figure out how to write story twists and do very short 1-2 pages scenes..

>>7703508
The whole thing feels so random ngl anon.

>>7703608
It's a child birthday and divorced parents. It's hard to tell a story on 1 page, so I have to make it a bit absurd. I think this gives more freedom in storytelling.

>>7703424
boohoo bitch

>>7703508
thats a small ass thumbnail

>>7703213
I got a follow from an anon today too on GC!

>>7703707
anon look at your thumb

It seems like the more common way to do indie comics is to spend multiple years on your first comic and then try to sell it without even having a fanbase in the first place. The people I see on youtube and stuff trying this method always end up crashing out when their comic gets zero eyes, even if the art is good.

>>7703813
Assuming art is all you have, and you can't get popularity from other sources, I think a good way would be to straight up make your entire comic, post it online for free, and then use that popularity to sell your next comic.

>>7703818
>post it online for free, and then use that popularity to sell your next comic.

Or sell books. There are plenty of people who want physical books, especially if you're putting extra material in it they haven't seen.

>>7703818
Yeah but this seems way rarer. Its like people want to "make it" with thir first creation. I guess its possible but the chances are extremely low, its more reliable to just be good and gain popularity over time.

>>7703792
its too small. not enough room for other details which is ironic because it seems like you take a lot of time with just one. I usually have 4 pages in one page and they are mostly scribbles. I can compose a lot of pages this way and still have room for decorations, lighting direction, etc

>>7703813
most of the problem indies have is being too eager to post their work, and post their shit immediately after they feel they are done. then they dont have anything to submit when they miss an update. then they get rushed, and they get upset. Pretty much all authors/artists do this now, whether they have big contracts or not.

>>7703813
>The people I see on youtube and stuff
Who? I want to watch the crashout for caution

>>7703707
>>7703832
I like using my small sketchbook for thumbnails and use reading glasses for drawing. Decorations and lighting is not needed for thumbnails.

Finally figured out how to get my scanner to scan in 600dpi

Holy shit I will never do that again. It picks up every single grain of texture of the paper and makes it impossible to convert to usable lineart digitally. I'm sticking with scanning at 300dpi and just upscaling in CSP.

>>7703987
Oh lol is that why all my scans look so dirty? I've been doing 600dpi, and have always felt like my scans look worse than my lineart in real life lol. I'll try 300 too next time

>>7703987
You can't adjust the levels?

>>7704025
Can't adjust it to get rid of the paper texture without also destroying the lines in the process. It's just too much fidelity.

Should I make it read from right to left or left to right? I only read Japanese manga from right to left so it feels more natural to me this way.

>>7704082
Who's reading it, English speakers or Japanese speakers?
Are you trying to LARP and fool people into thinking they're reading a Real Japanese Manga?

Trying to simplify the left so I don't go crazy drawing it 700 times

>>7703987
That's not supposed to be the final resolution, when you downscale it to post online any dirt or small things can't be seen. The goal of scanning 600 dpi or higher is for printing so that the print is crisp and clear, 300 might not be good enough for something which is meant to be read. I've noticed even in printed manga I have on my shelf that bold text still bleeds with fuzzed edges. Beware.

>>7704030
A good quality scanner is a night and day's difference. My experience trying to deal with cheap or poor quality scanners is that they seem to scan images too bright and wash out both color or inks. If you work on B4 paper and need to stitch them it is a nightmare because of the scanner warping the image too much to align them, forcing me to redraw portions.
I found this nifty auto action a while back. I've got things figured out so I realized I don't need it as much, maybe you'll like it?
https://assets.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/detail?id=2005554

>>7704193
Thanks, but I think what I'll be doing is the pencils in trad, then inking in digital, which should solve the problem. Once I get a screen tablet.

I can do some sketches with the screenless, but cannot get those precise lines I need.

>>7704183
Looks good

>>7704034
needs polish but keep it up!

>>7704034
Anon, a few quick edits for you:
>magician's should become magicians
>"suppose to" should become "supposed to"

>>7704250
>>7704256
Thx anons :)

>>7704088
>Who's reading it, English speakers or Japanese speakers?
English speakers, don't know moon.
>Are you trying to LARP and fool people into thinking they're reading a Real Japanese Manga?
No

What's the standard format for localized japanese manga and locally-made "japanese style" comic? Does it keep the right to left orientation?

>>7704263
>standard format for localized japanese manga
Unless an official local publisher changes the layout, then it keeps its right to left format.
>locally made "japanese style" comic
Then it should be left to right unless it is LITERALLY made/typset for actual asian consumption in their home countries.

>>7704263
Localized Japanese manga used to get flipped, but now they are kept Right to Left in English. Mostly because flipping the art presented more problems than most publishers want to deal with and it saves them money from extra editing. Same reason a lot of anime localizers now skip out on dubs, merely a cost consideration.

All English-Original comics are Left to Right, since that's how the language works.

I do not know if English-Original comics that get published in Japan are flipped or not.

If you're not LARPing, I would not make it Right to Left. Personally I would see it as way too disingenuous and drop it.

>>7704273
>>7704276
What about the vertical oriented text bubbles? It may just be because I'm used to reading scanlated manga but horizontal text bubbles look awful.

>>7704288
It can work fine, but since you're trying to fit a horizontal language into a vertical box, longer words will need to be awkwardly hyphenated at points

>>7704234
I've heard of people doing this. Everyone finds their own way to do things that works for them so I say go for it. The whole reason I moved to drawing on paper was because that was easier for me, if I could deal with staring at a screen for 6 hours a day I'd totally just do that.

After 10 years of drawing, my art is still so shit. I don't think if I had 10 more years I'd be able to draw anything decent. I'm so cooked

>>7704314
pyw, cant be that bad

>>7704288
A comic book is presented in a portrait orientation, it's only natural that there is more vertical white space than horizontal.
It's pure good luck that Japanese is written vertically, it's better suited to comics.

The traditional solution is to just dedicate the top half of the panel to text bubbles... but this is clunky compared to the manga approach of having the speech bubbles more integrated into the art.

I'd say making it as it is in your image is the way to go, it's not perfect, but all other solutions are worse. Just avoid breaking up words as much as possible

Does the first page actually mean the title page?
Do (You) do title pages if you're not published in a weekly magazine? Seems fun but silly, I guess it's like writing hook questions or "To be continued..." on the last page of a chapter

>>7704276
>I would see it as way too disingenuous and drop it.
Literally all manga I read are right to left. It makes total sense to do it the same way for me. Left to right feels weird.

>>7704389
If I feel like it. Not every chapter needs a dedicated title page. A title card on the page works just fine in lieu of not having one too.

>>7704389
>Do (You) do title pages if you're not published in a weekly magazine?
I have always done a title page for every single chapter. Otherwise if people look at a thumbnail for that chapter all you have to offer is just a bunch of random panels or whatever page 1 for that chapter is.
>Does the first page actually mean the title page?
The printer I work with works that way, yes. You have the cover/title, the back of the cover, and THEN page 1 starts.

>>7704408
There's manga (jp), manhwa (kr), and manhua (ch) with the only singular difference being that manga reads right to left. No one else in the world feels as compelled to copy them as english speakers, so I don't think english speakers should feel any pressure to conform unless they want to work in Japan.

>>7704408
You do you, but i'm not the only one who will avoid it if it looks like its pretending to be a scanlated japanese manga.

>>7704408
This was what I thought I would do too when I started, but I realize it felt odd.
If you do it left to right, its kind of like a gentle nod to the reader acknowledging you aren't jap.

But you do whatever you want. Some people wont mind, some people. You aren't going to lose an audience by going left to right.

>>7704420
It's not odd at all. Westerners are already used to right to left. This way you could for example translate the manga into japanese too and maybe get some japanese readers.

>>7701896
You can use whatever app allows you to pose models. If you want an easy access to various models you can just use Garry's Mod and pose them there. Main issue for people is the lack of models, placing them around is easy.

>>7704469
Okay, tell yourself that.

Does anyone know if there's any place you can find people to collab with on making manga, such as being an assistant or just doing it as a hobby? I've got experience making 3d environments since I used to do tabletop RPG gamemastering for which I regularly created 3d maps for my players, so I have tens of thousands of models lying around.

peepage

Ritsu mommy.

>>7704469
>It's not odd at all. Westerners are already used to right to left.
The reverse is true too. Japanese people are also used to reading left-to-right. Yet authors still generally make their manga in right-to-left. Why do you think that is? Hint: it's not because right-to-left is somehow inherently better or anything like that.
You should be aiming to keep it as easy to read for your target audience as possible.

>>7704562
>You should be aiming to keep it as easy to read for your target audience as possible.
My target audience can go fuck itself. I draw for myself.

>>7704566
Then why did you even ask?

>>7704552
cute!

>Spent half an hour drawing background
>Mfw a speech bubble will cover up all of it anyways

>>7704552
cheep cheep
>>7704589
Maybe next time plan the speech bubble first.

>>7704566
>My target audience can go fuck itself. I draw for myself.

>>7704420
>>7704469
>Westerners are already used to right to left
This. It's weird to read a left to right manga that's very clearly japanese inspired.

>>7704489
[spoiler]Reddit.[/spoiler] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7704613
>failed spoiler
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>7704613
>manga that's very clearly japanese inspired.
Except only one, exactly one person here has anything that would ever be mistaken as Japanese, and he is actively publishing in Japan. The rest of you are making very obvious Western amateur works somewhere between the skill of CWC and Mark Crilley

It would be like reading Dilbert from right to left.

>>7704613
they don't have spoilers in /ic/ bro

As I expected, getting a tablet didn't help me draw any faster. You guys were WRONG!

>>7704554
I see some change in your line weight now, but it's not great.
Are you using krita, csp, what?

if your target audience mostly buys manga or reads scanlations it doesn't make any sense to draw it left to right. Most people buy mangas rather than comics nowadays. The few that would find it problematic are just goofy purity edgelords, and they're a very small minority and probably wouldn't be interested in indie stuff anyway.

>>7704707
Krita. I'm still not 100% used to the tablet so my linework still looks weird. Drawing with the shoulder is something I have to practice more.

>>7704753
Your target audience is literally /a/
Go ask them how likely they are to buy your Western pretend-manga

>>7704552
Those are some hot chicks.
>>7704618
>The rest of you are making very obvious Western amateur works somewhere between the skill of CWC and Mark Crilley
Thank you for confirming that /mmg/ works are absolutely brimming with soul and love.

>>7704760
wrong your audience is people that buy indie mangas and webtoon/webcomic adjacent consumers.

>>7704785
>people that buy indie mangas

>>7704796
you don't even know who your target consumer is.
Guaranteed you never been in a convention or support indie creators online. Stop talking about stuff you don't know.

>>7704807
I have never seen an indie creator who made anything worth supporting.

>>7704823
Must not be looking very hard.

>>7704823
just like you huh

>>7704833
>>7704839
Prove me wrong, gentlemen.

>>7704846
you first, have you made something of actual worth besides disappointing your father?

>>7704850
You're the ones claiming there is some big English-speaking, paying customer base for "indie mangas", yet there are zero successful ones to show it. The best you have are a couple of negro Youtube outrage grifters who don't actually draw a dime from comics.

>>7704852
so only parental disappointment? noted

>>7704854
As I thought, you have nothing, and I obviously hit a nerve with my initial comment, so you are just mad that you know it applies to yourself.

>>7704855
maybe you should quit, you clearly have nothing to show for yourself

>>7704858
Don't think so, I'm far ahead and hitting actual readers, not your make-believe "English indie-mangas buyers" ones.

And no, I'm not revealing who I am so you can dogpile me online for hurting your little feelings.

>>7704859
Have you ever thought about getting into trades?

>>7704861
Trade paperbacks? Yes, that's the next step after enough chapters are done.

>>7704863
its not too late yet son... come home... I promise I won't throw out your goku drawings anymore, there are other things you can do.

>>7704866
>there are other things you can do.

Like draw Vegetas?

Does anyone have any tips on designing generic background characters that don't look terrible?

>>7704911
For clarification, I think the background characters in these 3 anime examples are GOOD examples. they're bland but they feel like real people with real lives and personalities outside of the focus on the main characters.

Whenever I draw my crowds of generic background characters, they always feel more like soulless mannequins.
I suspect it's something in giving each character realistic clothing, facial expressions, hair, posing, etc.

>>7704911
Steal people's OC

>>7704911
Just pick random features that aren't too distracting. Stuff like guy with beard and hat or fat guy with big nose.

>>7704859
>I'm far ahead and hitting actual readers
you don't have TPBs how are you ahead without publishing anything??

>>7704413
manga making general btw

>>7705069
OEL """Manga""" :)
English reads left to right

>>7705112
manga reads right to left cope harder

>>7705113
Nah brother, if a manga is read left to right it's still a manga. This didn't turn into something else magically.

None of this even matters because /mmg/ has been open to people posting all sorts of comics for years, and even states as such in the general thread copypasta. But leave it to all the tourists who come in here, DON'T read anything, and then ask if everyone posting here is holding out their work as a manga and that they're all secretly embarassed mangakas who just need two more weeks to hit the big leagues when a cursory review of the posts here shows that almost nobody here is seriously (and I genuinely mean seriously) entertaining those thoughts. Some anons here have made it extremely clear that even if their comics look more stereotypically asian, they still call it a comic and that the last thing they want is to be a mangaka or work in the industry in any way, shape, or form.

>>7705069
to be fair their isint a specific comic general so this is the most relevant board they can be posted to.

>>7705165
I dont care about that, but guy crabbing people who wanna draw it right to left is a fucking retard

>>7705143
I find it funny. We get newfags, but we also get obvious baiters who act like they have been here forever but dont know a single thing, and still get tons of (you)'s for acting like a retard.
I don't even blame them, I blame you guys for giving them attention

>>7705172
>I don't even blame them, I blame you guys for giving them attention
But we don't. If you look carefully, the discussion isn't organic. It's either the same guy samefagging, or the "discussion" is done by people who don't draw and don't contribute anything to make other anons improve. /mmg/ without these people is a slow af general.

Any successful AI comic creators out there so far? I imagine if not now, soon there will be as technology improves

>>7705205
I see AI mangas get made sometimes and posted but they always get bombarded with hate and then taken down. They're also all unreadable trash but if I saw a good one I would have remembered it for being so notable.

>>7705222
>get bombarded with hate and then taken down
In the future they will look back on this persecution of AI artists in the same way we look back on the Jim Crowe era

>>7705225
As something we wish would come back?

>>7704796
I just sold out of my run, and am reprinting. I don't print massive amounts, but there are indeed people who buy my nonsense from local comic shops.

>>7705259
>indeed people who buy my nonsense from local comic shops
How does this work out, by the way? Do you cold call a comic shop and ask if they'll take your stuff? Do you talk about how much product gets moved by the store in a given yearly quarter, etc etc etc? What's the potential net profit breakdown?

>>7705297
Check out your locals shops, see if they sell indie stuff/zines/local stuff. Different shops work differently. Some buy them outright, some pay when they sell. They're not flying off the shelves, but they sell here and there. The toys I had sold pretty well though! I definitely don't turn a massive profit, but that's partially because I never print at high volume where the per book cost would be super cheap. I also really have no idea how to advertise or market or anything, so I'm surprised that people actually pick up my work.

>>7705312
>The toys I had sold pretty well though!
Toys? What, keychains and the like?

>>7705320
No, I paid a friend of a friend to sculpt little figures, and I painted them and sold them.

>>7705312
>Some buy them outright, some pay when they sell.
So I'm presuming that the comics you handed over to the store were just custom print jobs then, nothing like an actual ISBN number slapped on the back or an internal publishing colophon? Apologies if these are dumb questions.

>>7705312
shit this WAS the plan but then I moved ;o;
The one I was eyeing had shelves for local creators, this might sound odd but part of me wasn't sure they would let me do it since one of the stories has gun violence. The town had a long standing feud with a lawyer billboard over the spokesperson's finger guns (he won in the end and they put it back up)

>>7705323
Exactly. Self published, no ISBN. I also got it into the public library system as well, just had to ask. A lot of the zines local shops carry are way more lofi like xeroxed. No worries about questions.

>>7705328
Just have to ask. Some shops wanna check your work 1st to see if there's anything too extreme or what not.

>>7705341
Amogus

>>7705341
>got it into the public library system as well, just had to ask
You can DO that? Comic stores I understand, but libraries? I...... huh. Hrm... I don't think I could likely have mine included as it's got partial nudity and violence but still the more you know, etc. How interesting.

>>7705342
That's just aster doing laundry in the background while naked.

>>7705348
I just asked. I know one of the branches out here has local zines, so I thought I'd find out how to submit. They just asked me to leave a review copy and fill out some info. I only found out it was accepted because my book shows up in Google books now. My comic has blood n guts, and some innuendo here and there but was accepted. So you never know until you try.

>>7705359
I admire your guts, Oswald-anon. I might very well go and do that too, then. Hot damn.

>>7705172
It was obviously just 2 guys having an argument. Hardly everyone taking the bait there.

>>7704613
Truly amazing advice

some test

Is it possible to write a popular amateur Manga WITHOUT using shock value, making it about a relatable depressed girl, or baiting the reader with a mystery?

>>7707154
Id assume so, but mine has literally all of those

>>7707113
Now those are some nice colors, goddamn.

>>7707154
Cromartie High